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Our beloved Fightins start another season with many questions and concerns. Will Utley and Howard come back and be productive. Will the aging aces play at their normal high level? Will this be Cole Hamels last season in Philadelphia? Will Phreak and Don Ho be able to enjoy any games this season?
Key Additions:
- Jonathan Papelbon
- Laynce Nix
- Juan Pierre
- Jim Thome
Key Subtractions:
- Ryan Madson
- Brad Lidge
- Raul Ibanez
- Roy Oswalt
Answer the following questions:
Wins
Marlins Wins
Nationals Wins
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole)
Runs scored for season
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves)
How many ABs does Dom Brown get
Games played Utley
Games played Howard
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season
Hunter Pence HR/RBI
When does season end for Phils
They start the season in Pittsburgh on Thursday at 1:30. LET'S DO THIS!
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Beloved? Really?
Wins = 96
Marlins Wins = 90
Nationals Wins = 83
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings = 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) = 53
Runs scored for season = 738
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) = 38
How many ABs does Dom Brown get = 79
Games played Utley = 95
Games played Howard = 107
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season = Yes
Hunter Pence HR/RBI = 31/102
When does season end for Phils = World Series
Wins = 93
Marlins Wins = 89
Nationals Wins = 80
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings = 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) = 21+19+17=57
Runs scored for season = 698
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) = 30
How many ABs does Dom Brown get = 50
Games played Utley = 85
Games played Howard = 40
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season = No
Hunter Pence HR/RBI = 29/95
When does season end for Phils = after their last game
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 04, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
When does season end for Phils = after their last game
i knew someone would be a smart ass on this question
preseason questionairre tip: the better way to do it is how many playoff games will they win
Wins - 91
Marlins Wins - 87
Nationals Wins - 79
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings - 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) - 51
Runs scored for season - 605
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) - 32
How many ABs does Dom Brown get - 300
Games played Utley - 65
Games played Howard - 56
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season - YES
Hunter Pence HR/RBI - 32/115
When does season end for Phil - NLCS Loss
Quote
Wins = 86
Marlins Wins = 77
Nationals Wins = 91
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings = 3rd
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) = 49
Runs scored for season = 602
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) = 27
How many ABs does Dom Brown get = 62
Games played Utley = 12
Games played Howard = 49
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season = no
Hunter Pence HR/RBI = 23/89
When does season end for Phils = lol
Hahahaha.
Wins - 90
Marlins Wins - 84
Nationals Wins - 82
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings - 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) - 50 (19-16-15)
Runs scored for season - 700
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) - 40
How many ABs does Dom Brown get - 78
Games played Utley - 97
Games played Howard - 106
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season - yes
Hunter Pence HR/RBI - 28/102
When does season end for Phils - World Series
Wins = 94
Marlins Wins = 81
Nationals Wins = 79
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings = 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) = 51
Runs scored for season = 718
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) = 36
How many ABs does Dom Brown get = 83
Games played Utley = 104
Games played Howard = 91
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season = Yes
Hunter Pence HR/RBI = 28/98
When does season end for Phils = World Series, probably loss
There's no way that Jay really thinks that Utley and Howard will play a combined 200 games, does he? He's kidding, right? A belated April Fool's joke perhaps? Good one, Jay. You got me. Now what's your real answer?
How is that implausible? Even if each is out until June 1, they'll still play over 100 games a piece. Seems like most of you think they'll both be out until August...
I don't think there's any way Howard comes back by June. It's possible he misses the entire season, although I think Jul is probably when we see him again. And regardless of when either player comes back, I don't think either will be "every day" players. Especially Utley. He's going to get more than his fair share of days off to help keep him from completely breaking down. So even if he comes back with 100 games left to play, I'd be amazed if he plays in more than 80 of them.
Utley should be back by end of may and Howard by mid June
Amaro was even mentioning the west coast swing at the end of April I think for Utley.
Sunny, always look forward to my favorite thread of the year. Love bums opening day
Wins 91
Marlins Wins 87
Nationals Wins 70
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) 49
Runs scored for season 616
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) 36
How many ABs does Dom Brown get. 75
Games played Utley 81
Games played Howard 81
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season Yes
Hunter Pence HR/RBI 25/92
When does season end for Phils NLCS
being back in baseball doesnt really mean much...it takes like a month to get in the groove even when you do return...esepcially so when you dont ever start the year before you get hurt....so earliest either will produce anything is all star break but probably august
i also have to laugh when people say GRIT will be back _________ (fill in random time period)
dook had knees that are are slowly dying...its a chronic injury that some days feels ok and other days feel like youll never be able to walk again...i like to say he has a double knee concussions...because as with a concussion you have no idea when the player will return....he might be back never....he might be back in two weeks....he might be back in three months then find out he cant play and be back out again
choke at least has a defined injury that comes with a timetable
Quote from: Munson on April 04, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
Amaro was even mentioning the west coast swing at the end of April I think for Utley.
Wow, that would be shocking.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 04, 2012, 02:25:20 PM
dook had knees that are are slowly dying...its a chronic injury that some days feels ok and other days feel like youll never be able to walk again...i like to say he has a double knee concussions...because as with a concussion you have no idea when the player will return....he might be back never....he might be back in two weeks....he might be back in three months then find out he cant play and be back out again
choke at least has a defined injury that comes with a timetable
I just can't see this ending well for Lord Grit. He'll be in and out of the line up all season.
Jayson Stark said on 97.5 that for the first time he believes they will not sign Hamels.
Wins 95
Marlins Wins 87
Nationals Wins 84
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) 54
Runs scored for season 729
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) 37
How many ABs does Dom Brown get 300
Games played Utley 100
Games played Howard 100
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season No
Hunter Pence HR/RBI 27/110
When does season end for Phils World Fugging Champions, Bitch.
Wins 92
Marlins Wins 90
Nationals Wins 87
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) 51
Runs scored for season 645
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) 28 (34-6)
How many ABs does Dom Brown get 125
Games played Utley 80
Games played Howard 95
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season No
Hunter Pence HR/RBI 22/90
When does season end for Phils Division Series to whoever becomes the WFC
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 04, 2012, 02:25:20 PMi also have to laugh when people say GRIT will be back _________ (fill in random time period)
dook had knees that are are slowly dying...its a chronic injury that some days feels ok and other days feel like youll never be able to walk again...i like to say he has a double knee concussions...because as with a concussion you have no idea when the player will return....he might be back never....he might be back in two weeks....he might be back in three months then find out he cant play and be back out again
He might also be "back" in the sense that he takes every third game off to rest his knees. Can't see how anyone can feel comfortable pencilling him in for 100 games.
My opinions regarding the NL East:
This year the Phils definitely fall back to the pack a bit. Unlike last year, where there was pretty much no doubt from day one about who would win the division, this year some begins to creep in. Not to go all IGY, but anyone that says that there is no chance the Phils fall this season just isn't looking at the totality of the situation. It's not just that the Phils are weaker - they are, especially offensively. The rest of the division (sans the Mets) are just getting better, particularly the Marlins and Nats. The Braves might be stagnant or a little better - the severity of the injury to Hudson will go a long way in determining their fate.
Philadelphia Phillies
No Howard until probably June, maybe July. No Utley until ??? Aging lineup. Hamels in contract year - contract year or distraction? Juan Pierre the starting LF on opening day?!?!?!? This team may be weaker offensively than the 2010 Giants. Of course, that team won the World Series.
Halladay. Lee. Hamels. Three stud pitchers that each would be the head of 90% of the pitching staffs in baseball. Can Worley have continued success or a sophomore slump? Will Blanton be around for the end of the season? A definite area of strength, but still weaker at the start than last season.
Papelbon should be OK, though there were some velocity issues last season. The rest of the bullpen could be questionable. Will Qualls survive CBP as a flyball pitcher? Can Contreras still go? Stutes on the DL with shoulder issues. basticho with velocity problems.
I think they're still the class of the division, but there isn't the air of invincibility that there have been the past few seasons.
Record: 92-70
Miami Marlins
Adding Jose Reyes will add some spark to a lineup that has potential. Love Mike Giancarlo Stanton - could easily go 35/100 this year. Can Ramirez learn a new position and still rebound from a disastrous 2011 offensively? Can Logan Morrison learn to be more consistent? Not an offensive juggarnaut by any means, but could be more consistent than the Phils.
Adding Mark Buehlre adds some veteral depth to the staff. If Josh Johnson can stay healthy (a questionmark) he is one of the best in the league. Nolasco and Sanchez are decent, not great. Zambrano is the question mark: can he even approach what he once was, or will be mentally collapse once more?
The Marlins will be entertaining in 2012 - they will either succeed mightily or fail spectacularly.
Record: 90-72
Washington Nationals
Washington is up-and-coming. Offensively, they have some pieces. Love Ryan Zimmerman. Will Bryce Harper (recently sent down) make a contribution this season? Can Jayson Werth bounce back and be more of the hitter he was with the Phils? Will Brett Carroll really be the opening day left fielder? REALLY?
They have a young and talented pitching staff. Stasburg will be limited in innings, which will be a handicap for the Nats. We'll have to see how Gonzalez can adjust to being a #2. The rest of the staff is rather pedestrian to me. Will Lidge be the closer? Can he be effective once more?
They're improving, but still a year or so away.
Record: 87-75
Atlanta Braves
The Braves will be mostly depending on improving from within. Can Uggla not be a disaster for a full half-season? Can Heyward bounce back from a sophomore slump? Can Freddie Freeman build on 21/76? Like Bourn, like McCann, but they can't be counted on to carry an offense. Chipper seems to finally be cooked (cue celebration here).
Two fine young arms in Jurrjens and Hanson. Hudson's injury will go a long way in determining the fate of the pitching staff this year. They miss his veteran presence as well as his pitching. Great bullpen arms, but can Kimbrel repeat his stellar rookie season?
Record: 82-80
New York Mets
Ha ha ha ha ha. Not worth breaking down. Maybe David Wright becomes a Phillie in August?
Record: 65-107
i love the when howard gets back and when utley gets back talk. its a yearly april tradition. and yet you guys never seem to learn where it leads.
anyway...
Wins = 89
Marlins Wins = 88
Nationals Wins = lol
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings = 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) = 50
Runs scored for season = 669
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) = 40
How many ABs does Dom Brown get = who cares hes terrible
Games played Utley = 50
Games played Howard = 88
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season = no
Hunter Pence HR/RBI = 25/100
When does season end for Phils = NLDS
if this division wasnt full of small time loser teams they wouldnt even make the playoffs
QuotePhillies Interested In Mike Fontenot
By Mike Axisa [April 4, 2012 at 5:49pm CST]
With Chase Utley on the shelf for the foreseeable future, the Phillies have shown interest in Mike Fontenot according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (on Twitter). The Giants released Fontenot last week.
Philadelphia has been looking for infield help over the last few weeks. Fontenot, 31, posted a .227/.304/.377 line in 252 plate appearances at second base, shortstop and third base last year The Fielding Bible Volume III suggests he provides adequate defense around the infield.[\quote]
when utley gets back __________
a: fontenot will move to the bench
I know whenever I see that the Giants released someone and he plays the field, my first impression is always that the Phillies should go get him because the Giants have such a dearth of offensive talent of their own.
Victorino
Polanco
Jimmy
Pence
Wiggington
MAAAyberry
Ruiz
Galvis
is that official?
meh
they are gonna go Pierre and Thome i think for right handers, well at least thome 2 times a week.
farging mayberry better do something or domdom is gonna steal his postion
My man Jimmy with the drag bunt
im watching this game on an app on a game system thats hooked up to the internet
we can do this but we still have people that vote for rick santorum. america.
This umpire sucks!
(1st)
Ground Ball Galvis
Freddy Galvis era has begun ladies and gentlemen.
lol mets galvis
It's always great when your 8 hitter hits into an inning ending double play, not only does it waste the runner on base it also fails to turn the lineup over. They might think about having Galvis hit in the 7 hole or having him bunt to avoid this shtein.
they could think about not playing him
Not walking Chooch with Galvis on deck? Hello!
Quote from: SD on April 05, 2012, 02:55:04 PM
to turn the lineup over. .
Wheels?!? Is that you?!
Atta boy, Chooch.
1-0 good guys
That little kick was cute.
Tierra de la Bola Galvis
Jesus f'ing Christ Doc! Wow.
well if they give up 0 runs every game they should do pretty well
Pineapple! :boom
First Pitch Pence
Galvis K's and it's his best AB today
Rookie, opening day jitters, whatever it may be, he sure looks uncomfortable as hell at the plate.
1 through 4 went 1 for 14 today. This team is going to set a record for 1-0 games this year.
Game
Nice 9th there by Papelbon
Two hit shutouts are nice.
Nice to see the offense knock the cover off the ball too.
I miss Lidge.
why, too many strikes thrown in the 9th inning for you?
papelbon is a huge douche and i like it.
Druncasm
Speaking of Lidge he had his typical day. Gets a K, gives up a triple, fielders choice put out at the plate ends it with a K.
'Papelbon looked sharp. 161 to go.
First, Freddie Galvis became the 1st Phillies player in 42 years to make his major league debut on opening day. He followed that up by becoming the 1st player in Phillies' history to hit into 2 double plays in his ML debut.
He seems to be lacking grit.
It was an inauspicious debut. There. I said it.
CLIFF LEE starts tomorrow night. Orgasms.
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/fat_drunk_and_endearing_a_look_at_the_93_phillies_season/page1
Philly Mag is great.
QuoteJohn Kruk, first baseman: I've never seen guys that could be playing grab-ass two minutes before the game and then as soon as the National Anthem is done be ready to kick some ass.
John Kruk: Our pitchers would think, If I don't hit him, Dave Hollins will kick the crap out of me. So I should probably hit him
wait i just thought of something
sarge isnt doing the post game interviews or any of the around the ballpark shtein anymore. so basically hes earning what im going to assume is a healthy 6 figure salary for talking to tmac for 3 innings.
like what does he do before the game, during the first 3 innings, after? hes obviously not keeping score, talking to execs, getting info.
what the hell. how is that a job?
Victorino
Polanco
Rollins
Pence
Nix -1B
MAAAyberry
Ruiz
Galvis
i like a pitchers duel just like the next man but jesus is this team once again going to be painful to watch this year
send him juanny!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2012, 08:06:28 PM
send him juanny!!
Awful decision with galvis on deck even if he gets a hit here.
that was baseball 101 no?
juan coaching like hes scared....as if its the nlcs 7th inning....not the 4th inning of the second game of a season
and thats not even getting into the fact that it was freedy bottom of an order that is horrible anyway and cant score runs
IGY's gonna be absolutely unbearable in this thread this year isn't he?
But yes, awful decision to not send him
yea that was dumb as hell. a good throw gets nix by 50 feet but galvis' chances of getting a hit were roughly 0%.
as it turns out the throw was a mcnabb worm burner and nix may have beaten it.
cloliff lee
this is like bad cape cod league ball
1 run is borderline in insurmountable
thats why you have to make that play...its 1000% unfair to him but the fact is you have to be perfect every night in everything you do on this god forsaken team
I fell asleep...I see I didn't miss much.
When will they score more than 5 runs? July 4th??
a fun (for me) frame of reference:
today charlie bunted with his 3 hitter to get runners and 2nd and 3rd with 1 out
in the high school games i cover teams bunt with their 3 hitter
so basically the phillies are a high school team, with great pitching
no audio for me...any reason why cliff was pulled with 77 pitches?
also why is kendrick above qualls and stutes or does charlie know this game needs another 20 innings before his pos offense can score another run
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2012, 08:56:34 PM
I fell asleep...I see I didn't miss much.
When will they score more than 5 runs? July 4th??
ty wiggington will have a 2 hr 5 rbi game against a #5 in an 11-2 blowout at the bank one of these nights...but in general yeah its mind boggling how a team that HAS to win the world series could end up this way
Quote from: MDS on April 07, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
no audio for me...any reason why cliff was pulled with 77 pitches?
he was at 99
i guess mlbtv needs to update their boxscores quicker
and that right there was a typical kendrick outing. pitches to contact and the balls all happened to find people. tomorrow they will find holes. dude is really sketchy in spot duty. needs to be a 5 starter or long man.
i cant wait for a month or so from now when they designate juan pierre....he is so over
he got peppered with fastballs then flails at a breaking pitch like its the first time hes seen one
back to alabama old man
Pierre should have walked...he fouls off ball four and then whiffs on gas down the middle.
Viva la offense!
Thanks for this farging juggernaut, Rube!
lololololol
Laynce Nix trying to bunt. Hilarious.
And a failure
Come on Thome!!
holy farg. your 5 hole hitter bunting?!?
So he bunts the 3 and 5 hole guy in the same game.
Gonna be a long year, boys.
Beautiful slider to strikeout Thome.
Whaddya say Chooch...base knock and end it here
Tierra el Bola Galvis up next
the nix at bat pretty much sums up this team and year in a nutshell
this takes me back to the samuel call...the phillies are so desperate for runs that laynce nix is bunting there yet juan samuel is going to hold up a guy at 3rd with two outs and freedy galvis coming up??
some loser in my neighborhood just screamed out when galvis struck out
and then manuel doesnt pinch hit wiggerton for galvis?
but he uses up thome for mayberry, who actually can kind of hit?
this is gonna be a loooooong year
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2012, 09:42:22 PM
some loser in my neighborhood just screamed out when galvis struck out
Scream with joy?
Charlie has to learn to manage a small ball team. He's used to the Earl Weaver 3R bomb style. It may take him until memorial day to figure it out.
ODB is on...let's see how he looks
basticho's got a black girl bubble
We may have a 17 inning game tonight...
Blanton up in the pen...
As that prick Murphy points out; Phil's have 4 runs in their last 35 innings dating back to the Cards choke job.
That was their best shot and Pence whiffs...
farg
And Blanton gives a deep double to... Rod Barajas.
Barajas continues to kill them...
Come on...need a miracle.
Why not walk this guy for the double play possibility??
Well...he beaned him so they have that in play now.
huge
First pitch swinging and a weak pop out! He'd fit in on the Phillies.
Let's go Joe!!
is there a guy less suited to relief than blanton....especialy late close relief
No way.
No farging way
I don't believe he was safe.
And PIT broadcast not showing good replays.
Unreal.
farging iceholes.
lol expect many weird losses like that since the offense is so putrid
and lets also remember they wont play the pirates every game
it wasnt that close....you could see in regular speed he was safe
two runs in two games
1-1
get ready for a little above .500 season
but wait until utley and howard get back!
I feel like booing.
how are they not meeting your expectations, though?
like how is anyone mad over these 2 games. were you all expecting laynce nix and freddy galvis to start raking?
Quote from: MDS on April 07, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
like how is anyone mad over these 2 games.
you know whos mad
easy
j
and rome who picked the phillies to the world series (romey actually has them winning it lolololol)
and sunny and don who picked them to the league championship series
Go team! Get 'em tomorrow! Vanimal!
1000% chance easy thought galvis was coming through in the 8th
"come on freddy, just a little hit here," easy said.
NO.
he makes pg (rip) look like me
the question is when does s jerzzz turn on them
o/u is 2014
i cant see them ever doing it because they won...plus you cant hate on the players.....its all roob
This night just pretty much sucked all the way around.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2012, 10:45:31 PM
i cant see them ever doing it because they won...plus you cant hate on the players.....its all roob
mostly yes, though charlie and sammy didnt help the cause
charlie is a moron but hes still won a world series...clear evidence that a bad manager doesnt mean shtein
a larussa can win you a ring but a dope like charlie wont necessarily prevent you from winning one
dont call it a comeback...hes been here for years...
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2012, 10:36:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 07, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
like how is anyone mad over these 2 games.
you know whos mad
sunny and don who picked them to the league championship series
I was trying to be nice.
You know what's maddening is driving and trying to watch the game on an iPhone. We were coming back from the North Shore and would lose the feed every so often. Almost crashed when it came back on and fatty was in with two on.
2 games, 2 runs. Nah, they dont need a bat or two or three. farg you Herr Smugweiler.
I was at this snoozer. Presley definitely looked safe live. There seemed to be some confusion and a small hesitation between Polanco and Rollins that could have meant the difference.
Who cares. The game was bullshtein. Two offenses that can't do shtein. Biggest crowd noise of the night was probably for Thome before his strikeout. In spite of the score throughout the game, his AB produced the only palpable tension among the 40% Philly crowd.
Good pitching staff & poor hitting... Definitely an unsolvable mystery.
Quote from: Rome on April 08, 2012, 12:34:41 AM
Good pitching staff & poor hitting... Definitely an unsolvable mystery.
world effin champs brohan!!!
2010 World Series Champs
They always play like shtein at PNC park. Always...in fact they usually only score a run or two and lose 2 out of 3...it's been that way wit this current team every year. I'm not saying the offense isn't in trouble but even at full strength they don't play well there.
Pierre
Victorino
Rollins
Pence
Thome
Wigginton
Galvis
Schneider
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2012, 10:20:18 AM
Pierre
Victorino
Rollins
Pence
Thome
Wigginton
Galvis
Schneider
And Worley pitching.
My guess: Pirates 4, Phillies 0.
I have a feeling they hit today...I can see an 8-2 game or something like that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2012, 12:55:04 PM
I have a feeling they hit today...I can see an 8-2 game or something like that.
I see a 3-2 game I'm just not sure which team is going to score the 3 runs. If I had to guess I'd say the Pirates considering the Phillies haven't won a series at PNC since 2008
yea, thats the reason theyve scored 2 runs in 19 innings.
its pnc park.
the complete lack of talent in the lineup has NOTHING to do with it
There's still talent in the lineup, Lumpy. It's past its peak and only sporadically makes appearances but it's there.
lol old homer romey goin down with the ship
meanwhile one of those "past its peak and only sporadically makes appearances but it's there" guys is 0-3. his name is juan pierre, and he sucks.
Pence is the offense. RBI double and now a bomb.
2-0...offensive explosion!!
Thome, at 41 and not playing 1B in five years, just turned a pretty 3-6-3 DP.
Better than Choke.
Pence and Victorino is the entirety of offensive talent at this point. Rollins is probably still above-average offensively for shortstops but only marginally so. If those 3 aint producing runs, it isn't going to be produced.
Piss poor AB by Jimmy.
Pierre on 2B and Vic bunts?! Stop the madness.
Up to Pence...
That was wonderful. Man at third, one out and shtein.
jimmy should be the man on third, not the one at the plate
he aint a situational hitter. hes the cat who gets on and gets driven in. charlie.
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2012, 02:15:54 PM
lol old homer romey goin down with the ship
meanwhile one of those "past its peak and only sporadically makes appearances but it's there" guys is 0-3. his name is juan pierre, and he sucks.
troll
Laynce Nix....fail.
2nd and 3rd w/ 1 out and no run scores. Should have had the contact play on there!
Pierre!
clutch
Pierre actually comes through.
rome 1, everyone else 0
Why take worley out after 78 pitches?
Ah nevermind..;ust saw they pinch hit for him
Stutes still stinks.
Any chace Wigginton can be cut?
Not just from the team - with a knife.
Kyle Kendrick in for the 8th in a one run game.
MDS is crying and doesn't know why...
im the one who is fine with kendrick. everyone else gets angry when him and blanton dont pitch as well as roy halladay
though really there has to be a better option for spot duty in the 8th....right? qualls? i dont know
I have a feeling ODB is going to implode here...
basticho's lost zip. Could be the innings last year, could be an arm injury. But his fastball's definitely not what it was last year.
Nice K of Barmes there...huge.
I was hoping he'd bury a slider on his back foot but he went outside with it.
Finish them, Dirty One.
Yep...
Score some runs and then have a game where pitching and defense do you in.
Ruben Amaro is smiling with pride about this team he has assembled.
Oh great, now Wheels is on the "weird things happen" schtick he always uses.
Tied game. Need a walk, bunt, bunt, wild pitch to take the lead!!
Got to believe there will be a trade at some point. Just hope it isn't Hamels at the deadline to a contender.
Y'all ready for this? Son of a bitch.
great sign that chad qualls is unavailable after 10 pitches yesterday
just wait until contreras gets back!
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2012, 04:20:01 PM
great sign that chad qualls is unavailable after 10 pitches yesterday
just wait until contreras gets back!
Yeah no shtein.
"yo skip, don't think I can make it today. Yesterday wore me out!"
farging bum.
nice fastball, david
Herndon comes through big time.
Good job, fargbag. You don't have to groove one to their best hitter and he gives it up...
Wigginton and the bullpen...go drown yourselves in the rivers.
two bases open that are entirely irrelevant with 2 outs in a tied game and a guy on third and you groove a fastball down the middle to their best player.
makes sense. :yay
all time manuel moment not walking mccutchen
neil walker and rod barajas next up and he pitches to their best player.
good god this is not going to be pretty
3-6 at the end of the week?
Nice work bullpen.
the marlins are frauds, but this team may be the biggest joke of all jokes in baseball
no offense. horrendous middle relief. inept managing. old. slow. complacent.
when does training camp start?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2012, 04:40:36 PM
3-6 at the end of the week?
You're way to kind. Echoing legendz and Todd, WTF are you doing pitching Herndon? You got Rod Barajas and Walker due up.
Let's just blame it on the ball park. farg me :boom
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2012, 04:40:36 PM
3-6 at the end of the week?
So tomorrow, Tuesday off, Wednesday, Thursday. Dreading it already.
QuoteDavid Herndon grabbed his ukulele for the plane ride home.
Explains a lot.
id like everyone to refer to the first couple pages of this thread to see homer predictions.....its farging hilarious what this fanbase has become
They've played .018% of the season and Havas is already off the wagon.
We should all go buy David Wright jersey's!
And the funny thing is they had ample opportunities to sweep the series. A hit here, a pitch there and they're 3-0.
Declaring the season over based on two tough losses is classic IGY, though.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2012, 08:05:15 PM
We should all go buy David Wright jersey's!
I'm getting a Jose Reyes banana hammock.
Quote from: Clint Hurdle on April 08, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
And the funny thing is we had ample opportunities to sweep the series. A hit here, a pitch there and we are 3-0.
IGY and todd are going to make this thread unreadable. Time to stop clicking on read this post
here are your predictions. my man easy started things off fresh
easy = world series
sarge = after their last game
sunny = nlcs
igy = lol
homer j = world series
farging donho = nlcs
rome = world series
geo the mormon = nlds
mds = nlds*
south jersey predictions FTL
and lol at geo the morman....i dont know what that means but it pretty funny
Josh Hamilton is going to be a FA.
Get.
you really think they are going to make a power move like that after winning the world series?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2012, 11:13:03 PM
you really think they are going to make a power move like that when they might have to pay a luxury tax?
Get ready to cry poor again. Wouldn't surprise me if Hamels is a Dodger and Hbionic masturbates to death.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 08, 2012, 11:31:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2012, 11:13:03 PM
you really think they are going to make a power move like that when they might have to pay a luxury tax?
Get ready to cry poor again. Wouldn't surprise me if Hamels is a Dodger and Hbionic masturbates to death.
if thye don't resign Hamels they've got a ton of money to play with next year. The problem is that money is gonna need to be split up amongst a 3rd baseman and either a catcher or an OFer...not enough to get a star at either position really. Or you get a star at one spot and a scrub at the other.
Next year's gonna be tough, but the tax goes up in 2014....I'd be okay with them having one real crappy year next year if it meant resigning Hamels.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 08, 2012, 11:31:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2012, 11:13:03 PM
you really think they are going to make a power move like that when they might have to pay a luxury tax?
Get ready to cry poor again. Wouldn't surprise me if Hamels is a Dodger and Hbionic masturbates to death.
gross
what difference does it make if they resign hamels or not
they are finished for 2-3 years until the farm gets restocked and they can rid themselves of utley's contract. then 5 years, yes 5 farging years, choke goes off the books.
exactly...thats why they should trade heidi for prospects that will help the team recoup....
if they trade hamels they might as well trade doc, too. hes off the books after 2013.
problem is big market teams dont think like that. they either keep buying their way out of problems like the yankees or red sox, or buy themselves into a number of years at the bottom of the division like the cubs.
and especially with the extra playoff team, they would have to be something like 10 games out of the 5 spot at the deadline to think about doing that. and unfortunately they are not THAT bad.
They could sign Hamels to $22mil, Pence to $18mil, and Victorino to $13mil AAV, have Roy's 20 million dollar option vest, and still have $42 million left over in 2014 before the luxury tax tto address what will presumably be needs at 3B, 2B, Catcher, and LF. Which would mean maybe one or 2 stars at those positions and the rest of the money used to fill out the bullpen and such.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2012, 07:34:19 PM
QuoteDavid Herndon grabbed his ukulele for the plane ride home.
Explains a lot.
Braddah Iz is turning over in his grave.
2-0....and it feels insurmountable.
1 lousy hit through three innings.
Yay baseball season.
they really are putrid
good thing their power hitting left fielder is in the minors. no use for someone who gets on base
Charlie must be ready to have a heart attack having to watch these idiots try to hit.
as usual cole's vagina is flaring up
and the offense is historically bad
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
3-0
sonofabitch
Ballgame!!
lets add defense to the list of things they suck at
two goddamn hits >:(
this is pathetic.
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2012, 08:55:16 PM
here are your predictions. my man easy started things off fresh
easy = world series
sarge = after their last game
sunny = nlcs
igy = lol
homer j = world series
farging donho = nlcs
rome = world series
geo the mormon = nlds
mds = nlds*
Happy home opener! farg you!
This is just farging disgusting.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
are they still gonna win the world series, J?
McCarthy "Phils hoping to keep their head above water until Utley and Howard are back". Sure TMac, things will really pick up when Grit and Choke come back. Team BA will drop even further into the abyss.
Season's over. Time to move on.
These guys suck!
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/618478/major-league-theyre-zesty.jpg (http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/618478/major-league-theyre-zesty.jpg)
I didn't know orientals knew the word "Zesty"
Blast from the past time...I saw this on twitter.
Freddy Garcia had five wild pitches tonight. Last person to do that? Ken Howell for the 1989 Phillies.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412pXttWweL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
http://articles.philly.com/1989-08-03/sports/26146786_1_phils-manager-nick-leyva-ken-howell-calvin-schiraldi
http://articles.philly.com/1992-02-22/sports/26038605_1_first-day-phillies-ken-howell
Love seeing some of those names again. I remember being a huge Pat Combs fan.
great news:
national game tomorrow so no wheeler/marlins douches....but 9 innings of non stop ozzie talk
thursday is mlb network with costas/katt (and me at work which means im stuck with mlb.tv)
i wonder if we can make it an entire season without having to listen to those two tampons
This team wins 83 games max. Who cares. Go Flyers.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 11, 2012, 08:56:43 AM
This team wins 83 games max. Who cares. Go Flyers.
Depends on a few things:
1. How quickly Utley and Howard can come back.
2. Any trades that could be made.
3. How much money Amaro can take on in payroll - are they willing to be taxed?
But yeah, this team is pretty pedestrian as-is. Great pitching, little league hitting.
They'll win at least 90 games.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 11, 2012, 10:59:14 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 11, 2012, 08:56:43 AM
This team wins 83 games max. Who cares. Go Flyers.
Depends on a few things:
1. How quickly Utley and Howard can come back.
LOL
just wait until the guy the chronic knee problems and the guy coming off a torn acl come back! youll see! theyll score runs!
the sports reporter who is a "fan" of the phillies doesn't know what injury their #4 hitter had
the phillies dont need GRIT and choke to come back quickly they need sometime to quickly finish up inventing that time machine...it never ceases to amaze how all they have to do it get those two back in the lineup and all will be well...
just cause they are healthy enough to get on the field doesnt mean they are healthy and/or good enough anymore to drive in runs like they did in 2007
its very possible they come back and the phillies still dont make the playoffs
things won't get better when their two best hitters come back. got it.
Quote from: SunMo on April 11, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
the sports reporter who is a "fan" of the phillies doesn't know what injury their #4 hitter had
interesting. job title...fan is sarcastic quotations...going with some kind of technicality on an injury like i give a shtein...johnny i think something happened round qtown way and youre taking it out on me.
its ok buddy. its going to be fine. youre doing great. i love you.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 11, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
things won't get better when their two best hitters come back. got it.
who said it wouldnt be better?
its all relative...im talking about the people who think they have a shot at the world series with those two half broken down but at least in the lineup
it will get better because now is such a disgrace so it almost has to get better....but its not going to get better as in they are going to win a playoff series...or "all will be well"
even with a full lineup this team has a low ceiling as to what they can accomplish
Quote from: phattymatty on April 11, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
things won't get better when their two best hitters come back. got it.
in a technical sense sure utley is better than galvis and howard is better than thome/mayberry/nix/wiggerton.
but in a will it make them win more games sense it wont make a god damn difference. neither player is close to what they were 5 years ago, let alone 2, and at this point neither can be counted on to do much of anything. certainly, neither are feared middle of the order guys.
they are washed up, past their prime, injury cases. and one of them is getting 25 million dollars a year for the next 5 years.
Quote from: SunMo on April 11, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
the sports reporter who is a "fan" of the phillies doesn't know what injury their #4 hitter had
lol.
And the response to it was predictable.
Get home and flip the game on and see they're already losing 1-0 and facing Josh Johnson.
Yay.
gift call, some luck and now they have 2 runs!
2!
Well well well...2 runs!
Offensive explosion!
Come on Pence!
Wow...three runs and that clown GIANCARLO just farged up.
Keep scoring!
holy crap...it took literally over 4 games but they finally put a farging rally together
watch doc collapse now
Need a gapper by Galvis here
haha at the Freddy chants
Motherfarging FREDDY!
HOW BOUT DAT FREDDY GALVIS
Does that bring his batting average up to .100?
Those Freddy chants were awesome
Guess there's a new FredEx in town. He'd like to thank his bats.
o/u for next time they reach 5 runs?
may 3
Nice game...took extra bases, stole bases and got timely hits.
FYI - Jiwan James is off to a good start in AA.
Quote
The Phillies have announced that Pat Burrell will sign a one-day minor league contract so he can retire as a Phillie. He will be honored prior to the May 19th game against the Red Sox.
Earlier this spring, Ruben Amaro said that the team would consider the gesture, but no announcement had been made until today.
It seems like yesterday when they drafted him #1 overall and now he's signing with the team to retire as a Phillie. Makes you feel old.
We were at his first minor league game when he played for Clearwater. My wife got his autograph on a ball that has Schilling & Tito Francona's sigs on it.
Still have it.
WOW!!!!!
Hahahahaha!
Quote from: SD on April 12, 2012, 01:33:16 PM
It seems like yesterday when they drafted him #1 overall and now he's signing with the team to retire as a Phillie. Makes you feel old.
Also makes you realize how ancient the infield is when the prospective starter at every position is within like 3 years of age of a guy who just signed a ceremonial retirement contract.
i just realized mlb.tv has a "park" audio option
someone is talking about how she loves the law and order ringtone.
Galvis made a defensive play in the 3rd that Grit never would have made even if he was 100% healthy.
lol at the clowns at cpb playing the hawaii 5-0 theme when victorino hit a homer.
haha what the farg was that, james calvin?
Nice win.
Papelbon wasn't sharp in the 9th but got a nice DP ball there. Blanton was very good as was Galvis on defense (and Wigginton too).
I like how much Rollins, Vic, Pierre and Galvis are bunting for basehits so far.
papelboner needs to stop taking 4 hours in between pitches
its super annoying
The Marlins' bimbo (Allison Williams) is farging hot although her nose is slightly crooked which is mildly irritating.
Other than that, nice win.
PS: Eat shtein, Reyes.
Jose Reyes has now gone 30 AB without a walk.
he cares slightly more than if he went 30 games without a win
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2012, 01:05:52 PM
Quote
The Phillies have announced that Pat Burrell will sign a one-day minor league contract so he can retire as a Phillie. He will be honored prior to the May 19th game against the Red Sox.
Earlier this spring, Ruben Amaro said that the team would consider the gesture, but no announcement had been made until today.
Is this a joke? This looks like a guy that is revered by the Philadelphia fans and should be honored.
(http://nbcoutofbounds.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/burrellsigns.jpg?w=320)
all of south jersey and every female in the delaware valley loves him
No way that pic is real
ya think?
Just making sure.
lol @ at old man reese
(http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/files/2012/04/RyanHoward.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2012, 01:24:33 PM
No way that pic is real
Why wouldn't it be real? He was playing for the giants and we all know Philly fans are dickheads. Either way to honor this guy in ceremony fashion is corny as hell.
http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/04/12/pat-burrell-proud-to-retire-as-a-phillie-really/ (http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/04/12/pat-burrell-proud-to-retire-as-a-phillie-really/)
Quote from: reese125 on April 13, 2012, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2012, 01:24:33 PM
No way that pic is real
Why wouldn't it be real? He was playing for the giants and we all know Philly fans are dickheads.
lololol......you havent actually looked at the picture have you?
I want to believe its true so let's leave it that.
Phils signed 2B Mike Fontenot
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Report-Phillies-to-sign-Mike-Fontentot.html
Piece of shtein first inning for Lee followed by no patience at the plate by Vic, Polanco and Pence. Think Dickey threw about 7 pitches.
FREDDIE FREDDIE FREDDIE!
Yaaaaawn.
Lee touched up. Phil's can't hit.
lee is going to have a big falloff year....next year at this time we will be looking at his contract the same way we look at chokes now
i hate this team so much
Ah, two starts in and IGY is already proclaiming Cliff Lee's career over....gotta love it
11 hits 2 runs. Shocking.
Lee did get his shtein together after the first inning melt down.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 09:27:42 PM
lee is going to have a big falloff year....next year at this time we will be looking at his contract the same way we look at chokes now
i hate this team so much
not that im sunshine and lollipops with this team but you might want to ease up. its one game and they are 3-4.
wait until they are 20-35 or something before going all in.
The commiserating starts early around here.
Quote from: MDS on April 14, 2012, 01:20:42 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 09:27:42 PM
lee is going to have a big falloff year....next year at this time we will be looking at his contract the same way we look at chokes now
i hate this team so much
not that im sunshine and lollipops with this team but you might want to ease up. its one game and they are 3-4.
wait until they are 20-35 or something before going all in.
i dont care about the regular season....i hate this team because they spent all this money and supposedly have this dream roster and in the era they are only going to have won one world series...i also hate having to watch this slow excrutiatingly painful slip into the abyss they started last year and will culminate in the next couple years
i just wish they could blow it up and get rid of all these blood sucking deals and be terrible but at least be terrible and have a future that includes fun young players to watch....theres nothing worse in sports i hate than an old dying team...it kills me inside a little bit every day
in five or ten years ill look back on this era with great joy and will remember the GRIT with knees and the "get me to the plate boys" choke and gawd jimmy being the greatest leader in the cities history...but for now and the near future its going to be one of the hardest things ive ever gone thru
I didn't read your entire post past the first few lines but a couple things:
Part 1
They'll probably make the playoffs this season, what they do in the playoffs nobody knows. What we know is it's no longer the best team in the league that wins it's the team that gets hot and gets timely hitting come playoff time. As long as they get there I'll take my chances with what they've got. On paper every Phillies team after the 2008 team that won the WS has been better.
Part 2 is this is no longer the 90's Phillies where they'd sign scrap heap free agents and we'd all be praying that some random minor leaguer would turn into a player. This team actually develops their farm system and as long as fan support stays high they'll be among the league leaders in payroll. We're in the Yankees/Sox gonna compete every season category now. You have to move on from the mindset that the Phils are a small market club. As long as fan support stays high - and judging from the amount of tickets sold this season it hasn't slowed - the Phillies will stay competetive.
Quote from: SD on April 14, 2012, 09:51:28 AM
We are in the Yankees/Sox gonna compete every season category now.
jesus not you sd....anyone but you
my bad
Am I the only one who thinks that Fontenot = championship?
At this point any acquisition = championship
I shouldn't let these bums get me down after the Flyers performance last night but good god here we go again. 7 run out burst against a good pitcher followed by 3 or 4 massive suck fests. Is there a clause in Hunter Pence's deal that he has an extra incentive for first pitch swings? He makes JRoll's at bats feel like watching paint dry.
Booooooooooooooooooo!!!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2012, 09:22:59 PM
Yaaaaawn.
Lee/Vag/Fatty/Four Eyes touched up. Phil's can't hit.
Copy/Paste rest of season
just wait until utley and howard get back.
just wait!
anything can happen!!
Great farging start...again.
Ike Davis 2R HR against Hamels.
Well Jimmy gets one back for them...RBI single
that inning showed why its going to be nearly impossible for them to score runs
complete lack of power + unbelievable lack of talent at the bottom of the order / victorino's stupidity = a zesty team
all they can do is hit singles, they dont walk and the end of their order to below AAA level. how can they score runs. how. especially when victorino doesnt take the extra base and ty wiggerton flails at 3-2 inside pitches with a runner at 3rd and less than outs like its his first farging game in baseball
farg
1-17 with RISP
Wigginton has to come through here. No strikeout!
Nice inning...they've got a lead.
without a fluke wild pitch and some zesty defense from hairston, they wouldnt
Gotta give it up to Hamels, after the homer in the first, he kept the Mets at bay.
Just a horrible feeling though that the game could be over with a 2-run homer in the first inning.
When Freddy Galvis leads your team in HR & RBI after 7 games you have a problem.
is that problem where to put his ROY trophy?
Contreras activated; Savery sent down
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 15, 2012, 04:33:10 PMhe kept the Mets at bay.
PUN!
Lincecum/Bumgarner/Cain for the next 3, all on zesty TCN. Tuesday's game is on MLBN, but instead of Doc or Lee, you get Blanton
who is you? people outside of philly?
all of us have the package, easy. but thanks.
Quote from: SunMo on April 15, 2012, 04:55:30 PM
is that problem where to put his ROY trophy?
Okay, two problems.
nice burrell piece....
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Burrell grateful for chance to retire with Phillies
By Paul Hagen / MLB.com
Even on the last day of his playing career, wearing a San Francisco Giants uniform in a game against the Colorado Rockies, Pat Burrell found himself thinking about the Phillies.
He had already decided this would be it. Bone spurs in his aching right foot had limited his role all season. Burrell had spent time on the disabled list. Surgery wasn't an option. Even though he was still just 34 years old, the end would come on Sept. 28, 2011 at AT&T Park.
So Burrell went to manager Bruce Bochy and asked for a favor. The defending World Series champions had been eliminated. He couldn't damage the foot any more. Burrell asked to start one last time. The manager wrote his name into the lineup card, playing left field and batting cleanup.
Burrell was already pretty emotional when Giants third-base coach Tim Flannery walked up before the game and handed him something. It was the circular patch with "VUK" stitched in white letters against a black background that the Phils wore during the 2007 season in memory of beloved coach John Vukovich.
"Put it in your pocket and play with Vuk today," Flannery told him.
Said Burrell: "I think I started crying right there."
Burrell slipped the patch into the back pocket of his uniform pants and lined a single to left his first time up.
How appropriate. Burrell's professional career started when the Phillies drafted him No. 1 overall in 1998. He ranks fourth in club history in home runs (251), fifth in walks (785), eight in RBIs (827) and ninth in extra-base hits (518).
It ended in the top of the seventh, when Bochy had Burrell take his position then called him off the field. He got a standing ovation as he trotted back to the dugout and came out for a curtain call as well.
Now Burrell will complete the circle during the Red Sox series at Citizens Bank Park May 18-20, when he'll sign a one-day contract and officially retire with the Phils. He'll throw out the first pitch on May 19 and will also sign autographs in the Hall of Fame Club and appear on the telecast.
Burrell remembered Doug Glanville and Mike Lieberthal coming back to retire with the team, but initially wasn't sure he wanted to make that much of a fuss about it.
"'Hesitant' isn't the right word -- I just don't like to make a big deal about things," Burell explained. "But the more I thought about it, it's the right thing to do. I was with that organization for so long. I have such good memories. You realize it's an honor and I'm very appreciative of the fact they wanted to do this for me. I'm looking forward to it. I really am."
The final indelible image of Burrell at the end of his Phillies career was riding the Budweiser wagon at the head of the championship parade with his dog, Elvis, sitting next to him.
"That was the top," Burrell said. "[Club president David Montgomery] asked me to ride with the Clydesdales, and of course I said yes. But I didn't understand that I was going to be the first guy to turn onto Broad Street. And that was incredible -- to look up and see all the people hanging out of the buildings. I just couldn't imagine.
"It's funny, because Mike Schmidt and some of those guys from the 1980 [World Series championship] team always said the best part of it was the parade. And I was thinking, 'How could that be better than the actual moment of winning the whole thing?' But it is."
Burrell was the team's longest-tenured player at the time. And his seventh-inning double in Game 5 (Part II) turned into the winning run, as the Phils clinched the second World Series championship in franchise history.
There's more, of course, much more.
"I remember getting there as a young player and the teams not being very good. We were short in a lot of areas," Burrell said. "And then to watch it grow to what it us now and where we finished up when I was there, we went through everything -- the good, the bad. And fortunately for me, we ended on a really good note. All the players and the fans and the organization and all the people I got to know throughout the years, playing at the Vet -- the whole experience was just so much fun."
Burrell spent the final three years of his career with the Rays and Giants, winning another World Series with San Francisco in 2010.
He's been rehabbing since February 16 surgery. Not on his foot -- on his left shoulder.
"There's nothing I can do for my foot. That's why I had to stop playing," Burrell said. "I was playing a lot of golf and my shoulder kept bothering me. Finally I decided I might as well just go get an MRI. And the doctor goes, 'What did you do to your shoulder?' I said, 'I didn't do anything.'
"And he said, 'Your labrum is completely torn and your rotator cuff is a mess.' He was convinced I separated my shoulder at one point. I told him I played every day and never had a problem. I told him I'd had some problems with my neck over the years and he said, 'This is probably why.'"
Burrell is staying in baseball. He now works as an assistant to Giants general manager Brian Sabean and as a special assignment scout.
"Just kind of getting a different perspective on the game, evaluating," Burrell said. "Kind of transitioning and learning the other side, which I've enjoyed. It's been great."
One of the players Burrell talked to about what to expect in his new role was former Phillies third baseman Dave Hollins, who is now a scout for Philadelphia.
"I'm not sure where it will lead," Burrell said. "I'm open-minded about it. At some point, I'd imagine being back on the field in some capacity. I just don't know what that's going to be. We're going to play it by ear."
When Burrell goes to a game, he carries a binder to keep his notes. And when he opens it up, tucked inside a transparent protective cover, is the VUK patch that Flannery gave him, a constant reminder of his time with the Phils.
Lincecum struggling...which means he will probably no hit them tonight
o/u for runs is .5
under
Whaddya say Jimmy...get a base knock here buddy
how finished is polanco? out of all the washed up wastes of spaces on this team he takes the cake
LOLincecum?
He doesn't look the same. Maybe something wrong with his arm?
well that should do it
if doc cant hold a 4 run lead in this ballpark against this lineup...
in the least kruk and kuiper should be fun to listen.
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2012, 10:31:19 PM
if doc cant hold a 4 run lead in this ballpark against this lineup...
:paranoid
Doc getting hosed. 4 straight balls?
Doc seems to struggle in the 1st...get out of this and he'll cruise
seems like there are two different strike zones tonight
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2012, 10:51:55 PM
seems like there are two different strike zones tonight
According to the Giants TV crew the umps been very fair and consistent all night???????? Allrighty.
Yeah lol and now they say "that was not a strike" as their guy whiffs.
Halladay may murder Marty Foster tonight
And Krukow with the "Wow! That wasn't a strike" as they cut to commercial. HA!
J, you watching the Giants feed? farging Krukow's turned into a real douchebag.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 16, 2012, 11:50:39 PM
J, you watching the Giants feed? farging Krukow's turned into a real douchebag.
Yep! I don't have a Phils feed. Truth be told even if I did I would still watch the Giants one.
That catch Pence made and Polanco's play on Pothead down the line were beaut's.
kruk and kiper are gods
and i would listen to munson and hawk over tmac and wheels
I do want to see at least one Giants HR this week so I can hear Kiper and "Deep to left field! OUT OF HERE!"
Hawk "Look at those colored fellas down there in the bullpen wearing hoodies. They look mighty suspicious, Wheels. Someone oughta take a bat down there and investigate...."
hawk dont say coloreds
ho-hum, another game where they struggle to score.
OHMYGOD
Posey was out by six miles.
Lousy. :boo :boo
close play, maybe hes safe. but 99/100 hes gonna get called out there. tough one.
then fatty trips over his feet and that kills a DP. 4-1 and essentially insurmountable. great.
two on and no outs
Good things gonna happen, right?!?!
Giants SS Crawford is the Phils best offensive player tonight
AAAberry gonna do it
i can sense it.
and by do it i mean pop up
ooooo baby im good
chooch gidp and lets go to the bottom of the sixth
MAAAyberry is awful right now. Everything is a pop up.
They're gonna go from loaded an 0 outs to loaded with 2 outs
They scored! Where's the goddamn confetti??
bases loaded + no outs = 1 run
Go team!
biggest difference between a good team and a bad team is that inning
jimmy bs pop up, pence bs hbp, wigger reaches on an error. a good team, even last years phillies, pounce on that and ties the game/take the lead.
a pos team, this years phillies, gets 1 run.
also how sad is it that i was pleasantly surprised with the 1 run.
lol yeah I was happy to get at least one out of it
That sets up the potential game tying 2R HR by...by....well, no one can go yard consistently so nevermind.
polanco is a farging blackhole and hes the 2 hitter
they need an enormous amount of luck to get pierre and vic on here...then need a non-run producer in jimmy to produce a run.
Lead off guy on in 6/7 innings and have two runs to show for it.
Viva los Phillies
ruiz, galvis, pierre
just what the doctor ordered for a 9th inning rally
Not on ExtraInnings tonight.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
Not on ExtraInnings tonight.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
This is probably going to be the most boring game of this series considering who's on the mound...and that's saying something considering this trip has been a snoozefest. In other words you're not missing shtein.
exciting
This series sure has been a snoozefest. Thought there would be a lot more energy at AT&T. Couldn't pick up the SF TV tonight on line. Listening to Franzke and LA. Always a nice change of pace from Wheels and Mac.
Better head out for some 5 Hour Energy J. This may go on awhile.
imagine if utley and howard were playing. it would be 15-0!
And, not shockingly, Todd has already worn out that 'joke'
Cliff Lee might go out there and pitch the 10th inning. Only at 89 pitches through 9
10 innings and Lee has only thrown 19 balls. 76 strikes.
too bad his offense sucks ass
Yes it does. Wait a second, Chooch! Romo brings back bad memories.
lets see if washed up thome has a flyball left in him
my guess is he has plenty of strikeouts hanging around
Thome is so done. Oh farg. here comes the pop up king Mayberry.
shocking
I am pissed I am missing this.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 19, 2012, 12:30:13 AM
shocking
once again shocking. man on second, no outs. Man on third, one out. Inning over, no runs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2012, 12:34:20 AM
I am pissed I am missing this.
i know its sarcasm but EI is for suckers
MAAAyberry has 0 XBH and 0 walks...
Oh goodie the bullpen, yippie yi farging yay.
Wigginton...nice play, jerk.
farging douche bags suck ass. farging offense and farging bullpen. farg! Wigginton farg off.
Last place....4GB Washington.
Great farging offense and defense, cocks.
Time to lose 3 of 4 to San Diego.
between wiggerton, nix and pierre, they are going to be one mighty fine defensive team
so lets recap:
they can't hit
they can't field
their middle relief sucks
their manager is a dumbass
their "two best" offensive players are both badly injured and have no timetable to return
go. team.
pence is better than both howard and utley at this point in each of their careers IMO, but that's the whole tallest midget thing sadly.
you werent supposed to take "two best" literally
south jersey and clinging to false hope phillies employees (like charlie) are the only ones who believe that
Quote from: MDS on April 19, 2012, 12:47:19 AM
so lets recap:
they can't hit
they can't field
their middle relief sucks
their manager is a dumb ass
What's frightening is we will still be referencing this same recap in September.
what the farg was chuckles doing letting thome bat in the 11th...hes a terrible manager but that was a fireable offence
and bigger picture can someone tell me why and how jim thome is in the major leagues other than his butt buddy father figure chuckles is a manager
lolol @ pitching a 10 inning shutout and NOT winning.
first player to pitch ten shutout innings in seven years
first phillie since 1981
Trade Blanton and someone else for Mark Trumbo. Championship!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2012, 07:11:03 AM
what the farg was chuckles doing letting thome bat in the 11th...hes a terrible manager but that was a fireable offence
and bigger picture can someone tell me why and how jim thome is in the major leagues other than his butt buddy father figure chuckles is a manager
All he needed to do was make contact. Like Bowa and Mitch said on MLB Network...he is you big bat off the bench. Its his job to get that run in.
great analysis by bowa and mitch...its the batters job to get the run in there??....no shtein...
its the managers job to put the guy who has the best chance to get the run in to the plate.....thome is clearly done at this point in his career especially against lefties...his at bats this year have shown that...they have been pathetic
in charlies defense he doesnt exactly have a lot of great options to go to but thome was about last on the list in that situation....hes 1-12 this year with six strikeouts....dook shouldnt be in the majors much less at the plate there
Joe Wieland, Edinson Volquez, Cory Luebke and Anthony Bass. Doomed
nothing like empty win easy coming to the rescue with his spadaro approved phillies talking points
as for last night you can over analyze it and play arm chair manager all you want, anyway you shake it they are not a good team. jim thome or placido polanco? laynce nix and ty wiggerton butchering balls in the field? john mayberry pinch hitting for juan pierre?
seriously. this is their team. besides la russa there isnt a manager on earth who is going to make the right calls or find the right lineup combination with this group. they are farging god awful because they dont have a lot of players that are "good." brilliant analysis, i know. but its the truth.
Dear god he's gonna be making 2 or 3 posts like that per page for the rest of the season isn't he?
Quote from: Padres Fan on April 19, 2012, 12:20:42 PM
Victorino - Polanco - Mayberry - Pence - Wiggington - Ruiz - Nix - Galvis. Doomed
That's farging aggravating to see Polanco NOT score on a farging line drive to CF from 2B. He stops at 3rd to load the bases with 1 out and MAAAyberry up.
Mr Triple-A-Berry does what he does best; pops out. Then Ruiz grounds out...and they end up with one lousy run.
lol I love Sarge..
"There's that little hop. See ya later, son"
Ruben Amaro's thoughts when he realizes that Juan Pierre is the most consistent hitter thus far;
A - "Man, this slap hitter is my only hope to generate offense"
B - "How silly of me to not get a bigger bat knowing Utley and Howard were going to be out"
C - "What a great farging signing by me!"
Beautiful sequence there.
Worley K's Hermida and the Pads sent the runner from 1st to get into a run down. Jimmy throws home and dude tried to knock Ruiz out but he held on.
random J observations during another boring, pointless phillies game
IN
Anyone want action on whether Von Hayes could get off his couch right now and hit the ball better than Mr MAAAyberry?
can you imagine what will happen when they have to face good teams?
so far theyve lost 2/3 to the zesty pirates, the even shteinter mets, and a team that cant hit in the giants. somewhere in there they won a measly series against the second rate marlins.
now they are out-crappying the extraordinarily bad padres...thus far.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2012, 10:21:58 PM
That's farging aggravating to see Polanco NOT score on a farging line drive to CF from 2B. He stops at 3rd to load the bases with 1 out and MAAAyberry up.
Mr Triple-A-Berry does what he does best; pops out. Then Ruiz grounds out...and they end up with one lousy run.
I was wondering what the hell happened. I was monitoring the first 4 innings on my blackberry while at the gym. 3 hits and 1 run? Rinse and repeat.
Real pisser is the farging game is blacked out here! First the Giants series now the Padres. The San Diego Padres blacked out in Hawaii on mlb.com Kiss me Bud Selig as you've already farged me.
Quote from: MDS on April 19, 2012, 11:52:04 PM
can you imagine what will happen when they have to face good teams?
Unfortunately yes.
I've always wondered when one of the esteemed members of the media will question Bud and his minions on the stupid goddamn blackout policies.
Nice pitch by Worley. Its amazing that Kotsay didn't get thrown out.
Sidenote; I saw Kotsay and CSF play UT back in 1996 and that dude was a helluva college player
Chad Qualls warming for the 8th...I smell disaster.
these games are so brutal
just lose already you pos team
Galvis is pretty farging solid defensively especially for never playing 2B.
I went to a couple Reading games last summer at he was a goddamn vacuum cleaner.
he is pretty good but hes a worthless player at 2B...you need more offensive production there.
as a SS, if hes hitting .250ish and hitting 8th on a good hitting team, thats alright. ultimately hes probably going to be a 9 hitter on an AL team that can take the offensive hit. like right now hed look real good on boston. maybe they dont want adrian gonzalez anymore?
Quote from: MDS on April 20, 2012, 12:18:54 AM
he is pretty good but hes a worthless player at 2B...you need more offensive production there.
as a SS, if hes hitting .250ish and hitting 8th on a good hitting team, thats alright. ultimately hes probably going to be a 9 hitter on an AL team that can take the offensive hit. like right now hed look real good on boston. maybe they dont want adrian gonzalez anymore?
Well this Phils team is modeled after the pre-roid days when 2B were slap hitting midgets. So he fits right in. Jose Lind!!
This, my friend, is the only way they can score with MAAAyberry up...a wild pitch. Because he swung right through that last fastball
Edit - he swung through another one!
MAAAyberry outcomes;
Swing through a BP fastball
Pop out
dribbler to SS
HA! Passed ball brings in a run. Mayberry is a joke right now. These farging clowns can't score for shtein.
Ruiz rung up on a shoe-top high fastball...he argues a bit.
You know its bad when Wheels is jerking off over a 2R lead "man its sweet to see it 2-0"
and they failed to get the run home from 3rd with less that two outs again
holy shtein is AAAberry awful. they are so bad situationally and that is basically the only way they can score runs. moving runners, sac flys, etc. and THEY SUCK at it.
lollllllll enberg just called the nationals the senators. i love him.
Just so godamned infuriating!! 2 on, no out and 1 run on a passed ball.
Did Wheels really say that? Marine layer seeping through the rug into his brain.
QuoteMayberry since opening day: 9 Ks, 8 groundouts, 7 popouts, 5 singles, 4 flyouts.
That is farging brutal.
wiggerton and nix cant be any better
good job rube!
shtein I wish I could get the San Diego TV feed. Love Dick Enberg. The Senators, that made me laugh.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 20, 2012, 12:29:16 AM
Did Wheels really say that? Marine layer seeping through the rug into his brain.
lol yep...
Over/Under 01 June for Charlie losing his farging mind and blowing up like he did in Florida a few years ago
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2012, 12:29:28 AM
QuoteMayberry since opening day: 9 Ks, 8 groundouts, 7 popouts, 5 singles, 4 flyouts.
That is farging brutal.
How is Dom Brown doing? He can't be that bad.
hes hitting .240 with a .283 obp. 11 ks in 13 games.
good job rube!
WE WIN! WHO GIVES A farg!
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=1410&stn=true&sid=t1410
Good God the Iron Pigs offense looks just as frightening!
DomDomDomDombedoobieDom is batting .240 0HR 8RBI 11k's in 50AB
lol joe thurston is on that team
holy crap
This is like opening Pandora's box.
They also have a dude down in Reading who is 0-21
welp they set a franchise record for consecutive wins at an opposing stadium, so there's that
Another fun fest by the bums. 0-0, bottom 5, 2 hits (one being a double by the pitcher). LET'S DO THIS!
1-0...game over?
yes
the 4th best hitter in the lineup is the pitcher
cole hamels and cliff lee have the highest BA on the team 14 games in. no joke.
9 hitters have a higher OBP than the 8 hitters lol
Loaded and no outs...
One run?
freddy galvis at the plate > jim thome.
sad truth is that isn't an exaggeration.
Thome is cooked.
Pierre should hit 4th.
and people...including phreak were defending chuckles the other night for batting thome in that spot verse the giants
the way pierre's been playing so far, he could actually be useful if there was any power in the rest of the lineup to mix in with what he does. unfortunately that ain't exactly the case.
this win deserves a massive *
bud black bringing in this terrible right hander (im guessing because he has a better shot to induce a dp/k) instead of the loogy is the kind of thing that doesnt show up when people like easy are talking themselves into a world series run
I blame the liquor for defending the Thome PH the other night
Question; who is older...Contreras or Charlie?
senor de la puta jose may be 55
hes still got them heavy ass pitches though
Victorino goofing around at the plate with the ump for calling that a no-HPB, and then launches one lol
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2012, 12:16:03 AM
I blame the liquor for defending the Thome PH the other night
whats up with this liquor dood.....i dont like him
im pretty an empty beer bottle has a better chance of getting a hit than thome
thome shouldnt be in the major leagues...and the only reason he is is because of his little taint buddy chuckles
this whlo organization has gone from most respected to least...and they have done it in a very short time....pat gillick the most underrated front office sports person ever
the thome move is 1000% defensible. it was only a mil, he was coming off an alright season and you needed some power off the bench.
a hitter off the bench is something they can find anywhere, and they can simply DFA thome and it wont do any damage.
the other moves (wiggerton, AAAberry, signing polanco 3 years ago, trading lee the first time around, papelboner, not having a reasonable 2B option besides galvis, giving schneider another year, the blanton extension) all deserve to get killed.
for example they could have signed beltre 2 offseasons ago but instead went with polly. rube couldnt see the future, couldnt see that utley and howard would crack, that werth would walk, etc. then this year, cuddyer and ross and willingham are out there and he goes with farging wiggerton and nix. god damnit.
im not sure how a move is defensible when the guy they signed should be retired...but if you can find a way for it then more power to you
no one is saying signing thome cost them the season or matters that much...just that he shouldnt be on a major league roster right now
that fact is indesputable
i cant wait to win money off the nats cause i got a shteinload of it coming my way if they win the division
what im saying is taking the shot that he had something left was werth it back in november. at the time it was fine. NOW of course its painfully obvious that hes finished.
the fact that thome shouldnt be on the roster is one thing....even picking thome to pinch hit the other night for clifton was fine.....a sac fly puts them in front...shtein a homer gives them a two run lead......who better to put in that spot than the guy with 600 plus homers....the problem came when the giants went with javier lopez...one of the ultimate loogys and a guy thats dominates the phils....oh and a guy who owns lefties in general....but against all those odds chuckles left mayberry a guy who kills lefties on the bench...and also polly a rh bat who makes contact
AAAberry would have been a terrible play (he sucks). polly was the right play there.
in fact i would have considered squeezing there. even with thome. last thing they would have expected. thats when you do it. but charlie never thinks of anyway to score a farging run other than the 3 run homer. and hes especially going to be thinking that with his washed up over the hill son up.
mAAAyberry actually hits lefties pretty damn good
youre confusing him sucking comapred to the rest of the league
but you cant do that...you have to go with what the phils had at that particular moment...nd johnny boy was the best bet...easily over thome.......polly you can make an argument for
Cliff Lee to the DL.
Left oblique strain suffered in the 10th according to Senor Smugly.
Kendrick to the rotation and Savery up from Lehigh
last place is bad....but shtein bout to get real ugly
gonna need more offense from pierre and wiggigton
got it. lets DO IT
How many pitches did Lee throw the other night...93?
I'm already seeing the dopes saying he shouldn't have been out there in the tenth.
thats cause dopes will look at innings and not pitches...or they will say that it wasnt the 10th inning itself it was having to go out and stretch himself out for an extra inning
plus its not like its an arm injury
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2012, 08:37:41 PM
thats cause dopes will look at innings and not pitches...or they will say that it wasnt the 10th inning itself it was having to go out and stretch himself out for an extra inning
plus its not like its an arm injury
Yep...some of the comments on Philly.com (and Eskin on Twitter) made remarks about him going out for the 10th.
What channel is this on back home? I seem to recall something about a beef between the CW17 and DTV awhile back and I cannot see the Philly feed tonight for the second or third time/
4 outs on 7 pitches.
Thats a great approach for a team who needs baserunners. Why work the count?! Hack away!
im assuming its on phl tonight but i have the pads feed as well
i still cant get used to hearing dick enberg do baseball
I gotta get to SD one of these days
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2012, 08:48:18 PM
I gotta get to SD one of these days
really?
i have zero desire to go there
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2012, 08:47:01 PM
im assuming its on phl tonight but i have the pads feed as well
i still cant get used to hearing dick enberg do baseball
phl feed is correct
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2012, 08:48:18 PM
I gotta get to SD one of these days
Great city but the sports scene is a joke and the ball park is pretty meh
yea phl and other local stations dont have to give their feed up to EI. only the cable ones do.
i get both feeds for every game on mlb.tv though. not a huge deal unless you like cancer and want to listen to wheeler.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2012, 08:47:01 PM
im assuming its on phl tonight but i have the pads feed as well
i still cant get used to hearing dick enberg do baseball
Ol Dick is 77! I just wikipedia'd him and saw that he used to do Angels games back in the day and did some other baseball too but never remembered hearing him call a ballgame.
As for going to SD - yeah, I have a vendor thats based there and when I talk to him he always talks about how awesome it is there.
SD - where is the best place to stay there?
Freddy Galvis! Whatta play!
1-0
Game over?
Couple of my buddies from here are there now staying at the Westin in the Gas Lamp district. Going to all 4 games. Great park, great town, great weather 24 7 365.
So the Gas Lamp district is the place to be?
Depends...if you like the beach the popular ones are Pacific Beach [young somewhat annoying crowd] Ocean Beach [old school California Beach town] Mission Beach [decent area, don't go there on Sundays] La Jolla [beautiful beach, higher class of people]. Down town is fun and if you're looking to take in a game that's obviously the place to stay. There's a red trolley that will take you up and down the city and even down to Tijuana if you're interested in a donkey show. Downtown is really clean and has the Gaslamp District which is stocked with beautiful women, bars and restaurants.
Donkey show? Sold!
Thanks for the info bro
hopefully IGY can tell us Doc is cooked and is gonna have a down year so he can go out and throw 10 scoreless innings in his next start
This farging team makes me want to vomit when I watch them hit.
Goddamn awful.
it really is a joke
Jimmy is 1 for his last 22 and 0 for his last 15 with only 1 XBH.
Lets go, Jimmy.
Hunter Pence is starting to annoy me too...he hacks and more zesty pitches than Choke
freddy galvis is batting 7th.....that pretty much says it all
Rollins
Pierre
Victorino
Pence
Ruiz
Wigginton
Polanco
Galvis
Why not?
4-0 definitely over...Stutes getting slapped around
QuoteThrough 15 games, the #Phillies are 7-8. The last time they were 7-8 through 15 games? 2009. The time before that? 2008.
The Pennsylvania teams are #29 and #30 in runs scored and #1 and #2 in runs against.
no one farging cares about the pirates
shut the farg up
How did it not get posted here last night that Cliff Lee is on the DL?
He's on the DL? How did that happen? I hope it's nothing serious.
yeah, it was only mentioned 3 or 4 times
I assume you mean in the broadcast, which I couldn't hear at the place I was watching the game last night.
Not good shtein.
no dummy about 3 pages back
Ah...serves me right for only checking the last two pages
Pretty sure Pierre was safe there but either way it shouldn't be close enough to make a call when you're the lead runner in the first inning.
the worst part of that inning wasnt pierre getting picked off, pence hacking or thome embarrassing himself.
it was manuel not sending victorino on contact with 1 out. what the farg do you have to lose? so what if he gets thrown out at the plate. you cant buy a farging run and its not like matt kemp is on deck.
as bad as their offense is they CAN score runs here and there. problem is their manager is retarded.
chuckles is a terrible manager period but hes tolerable when he has a loaded team...as anyone would be i guess....but now that they stink his retardedness is much more in your face
im thinking he didnt send vic because thome was on deck and manuel is of the belief that hes ol buddy is one at bat away from smoking another bomb!
also how bad is their infield defense right now. wiggerton and thome at the corners is an abomination
yeah the defensive atrociousness is hidden by the fact that the offense is so bad
gotta bat thome wherever possible...i mean hes gotten no less than four south jersey standing ovations at home this year
holy shtein i just lost my mind when sammy initially held chooch up there
god damnit im not going to last long with this team. they are so farging retarded and unaware of how awful they are. farging victorino is on deck and sammy cant send the runner and take a chance. seriously.
this caps bruins game is 1000 times more entertaining than the phils.....trust
The Valero Texas Open is more exciting than this team.
rollins leadoff double...pence hacks and grounds out to 3rd, thome swings through a bp fastball, then yells "that was down" when a pitch over the middle is called for strike 3, wiggerton lol
they. suck.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2012, 04:44:48 PM
this caps bruins game is 1000 times more entertaining than the phils.....trust
hell yeah...all tied up at 2. I notice the Caps use the same goal song as the Flyers. Pence is brutal in rightfield.
holy crap jim thome you are amazingly washed up
they are comically bad
Buddy of mine at the game just sent me a text saying "I think I'm watching Jim Thome's final MLB game.". Beyond brutal.
the thome thing is just sad, its like willie mays flailing after flyballs on the mets. hes a HOFer and an all-time great and hes just cooked.
everyone else on the team just sucks donkey dick
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 04:39:44 PM
holy shtein i just lost my mind when sammy initially held chooch up there
god damnit im not going to last long with this team. they are so farging retarded and unaware of how awful they are.
I usually look forward to the bums playing on Sunday morning. Coffee, Sunday paper, Phils on in the background. i had no desire to even watch/listen to this shtein today. Easy to blame the Flyers game taking away from this but I haven't been this disinterested in a very long time.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 22, 2012, 05:17:06 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 04:39:44 PM
holy shtein i just lost my mind when sammy initially held chooch up there
god damnit im not going to last long with this team. they are so farging retarded and unaware of how awful they are.
I usually look forward to the bums playing on Sunday morning. Coffee, Sunday paper, Phils on in the background. i had no desire to even watch/listen to this shtein today. Easy to blame the Flyers game taking away from this but I haven't been this disinterested in a very long time.
99% of the time I have whatever Philly team is playing as my primary channel then I flip to other games during commercials. Today I'm the exact opposite, been watching OKC/Lakers and Bruins/Caps and flipping to the Phils game in between.
i mentioned this a few weeks ago but the main problem with the phillies is that they are supposed to be good...id actually give them more run if they werent supposed to be winning a world series this year
like i said then i wish they sucked but that they sucked with young guys who had a future...theres nothing remotely fun about watching jim thome and ty wiggington on a last place team
also im on bruins caps 95% lakers okc 5% and i cant recall the last time i did that when it was quality nhl vs nba
im really looking forward to rengers sens tomorrow night...seeign the rangers go out in a 1 vs 8 johnson would be incredible
its getting to the point where they should really consider trading hamels and doc at the deadline, or at least try
this thing is over and a few veteran band aids aint makin a difference
Stop thinking small market. The Phillies are now one of the big boys, meaning they can contend from year to year. You don't trade the top pitcher in the game just because the team is struggling 15 games into the season. I really had no hopes of them winning the WS this season but I'll follow along like always and hope they make a run at some point.
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
its getting to the point where they should really consider trading hamels and doc at the deadline, or at least try
this thing is over and a few veteran band aids aint makin a difference
totally agree
giving heidi 24 mil a year would be insane at this point....especially when you could get a bj upton and a starting catcher....or josh hamilton and something else...the offense and the the way the system is stocked right now all point against resigning her to a cain like deal
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2012, 05:28:08 PM
Stop thinking small market. The Phillies are now one of the big boys, meaning they can contend from year to year. You don't trade the top pitcher in the game just because the team is struggling 15 games into the season. I really had no hopes of them winning the WS this season but I'll follow along like always and hope they make a run at some point.
they need the talent, plain and simple. they cant score runs and utley and howard arent going to fix it when they "get back."
remember they can always sign hamels back, youre just trading him to get 1 or 2 killer prospects. doc, since he has 1 year left and is better, would net more.
what youre basically doing is throwing the towel on this year, then you take the young major league ready talent and combine it with some free agent spending next year. maybe 2013 isnt a world series year but its the building block for one. by 2014 youre good to go.
the only way this works is if they get really good young ready to fly talent back. getting A ball prospects, no matter how good, wont work. im not a baseball america geek but i would assume there are teams who would hand cole/doc and who have a 5-star young guy either at AAA or already on the club
PRoblem with that line of thinking is you can do that same thing (toss away 2013, gear up to make a run in 2014) without having to get rid of Doc or Hamels...They could resign Hamels, deal with a shtein offense in 2013, and then use money from all the contracts coming off the books + the increase in the luxury tax to sign a few bats.
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 05:42:27 PM
the only way this works is if they get really good young ready to fly talent back. getting A ball prospects, no matter how good, wont work. im not a baseball america geek but i would assume there are teams who would hand cole/doc and who have a 5-star young guy either at AAA or already on the club
he would bring a haul....look at what mat latos and gio gonzalez got for their teams....heidi would bring more
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2012, 05:28:08 PM
Stop thinking small market. The Phillies are now one of the big boys, meaning they can contend from year to year. You don't trade the top pitcher in the game just because the team is struggling 15 games into the season. I really had no hopes of them winning the WS this season but I'll follow along like always and hope they make a run at some point.
they need the talent, plain and simple. they cant score runs and utley and howard arent going to fix it when they "get back."
remember they can always sign hamels back, youre just trading him to get 1 or 2 killer prospects. doc, since he has 1 year left and is better, would net more.
what youre basically doing is throwing the towel on this year, then you take the young major league ready talent and combine it with some free agent spending next year. maybe 2013 isnt a world series year but its the building block for one. by 2014 youre good to go.
the only way this works is if they get really good young ready to fly talent back. getting A ball prospects, no matter how good, wont work. im not a baseball america geek but i would assume there are teams who would hand cole/doc and who have a 5-star young guy either at AAA or already on the club
The Phillies are a business in which their model is successful...the teams future now hinges on filling seats and gaining revenue, not trading away a guy who won a world series for you and another guy who is probably the best pitcher in the game. That's bass ackwards thinking. They're not getting more for Doc than what they traded for him and last time I looked Kyle Drabek and Michael Taylor [yes I realize he was traded to the A's] aren't exactly lighting the world on fire. When you have good starting pitching you always have a chance at making a run. I realize you're just a frustrated fan but rebuilding or combining young minor league talent that's unproven then combining it with what they currently have doesn't work with baseball. If I'm wrong then show me a team that's successfully traded away their two top pitchers for minor leaguers then combined them with what they have and made a run. If the Giants traded away Lincecum and Cain for minor league prospects you'd call them crazy. The best thing the Phils can do is A] stay the course and hope they can hover around until Chase/Howard comes back. Yes I realize they're both 'done' in your eyes but Howard is good for 120+ RBIs and Utley is better than Galvis. Combine that with hoping the rest of the team starts to hit. B] go over the luxury tax threshold and make a move for a bat.
6-1 eh? They could make the game 23 innings long today and they'd never catch up.
I see I missed nothing while asleep.
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2012, 05:28:08 PM
Stop thinking small market. The Phillies are now one of the big boys, meaning they can contend from year to year. You don't trade the top pitcher in the game just because the team is struggling 15 games into the season. I really had no hopes of them winning the WS this season but I'll follow along like always and hope they make a run at some point.
they need the talent, plain and simple. they cant score runs and utley and howard arent going to fix it when they "get back."
remember they can always sign hamels back, youre just trading him to get 1 or 2 killer prospects. doc, since he has 1 year left and is better, would net more.
what youre basically doing is throwing the towel on this year, then you take the young major league ready talent and combine it with some free agent spending next year. maybe 2013 isnt a world series year but its the building block for one. by 2014 youre good to go.
the only way this works is if they get really good young ready to fly talent back. getting A ball prospects, no matter how good, wont work. im not a baseball america geek but i would assume there are teams who would hand cole/doc and who have a 5-star young guy either at AAA or already on the club
The Phillies are a business in which their model is successful...the teams future now hinges on filling seats and gaining revenue, not trading away a guy who won a world series for you and another guy who is probably the best pitcher in the game. That's bass ackwards thinking. They're not getting more for Doc than what they traded for him and last time I looked Kyle Drabek and Michael Taylor [yes I realize he was traded to the A's] aren't exactly lighting the world on fire. When you have good starting pitching you always have a chance at making a run. I realize you're just a frustrated fan but rebuilding or combining young minor league talent that's unproven then combining it with what they currently have doesn't work with baseball. If I'm wrong then show me a team that's successfully traded away their two top pitchers for minor leaguers then combined them with what they have and made a run. If the Giants traded away Lincecum and Cain for minor league prospects you'd call them crazy. The best thing the Phils can do is A] stay the course and hope they can hover around until Chase/Howard comes back. Yes I realize they're both 'done' in your eyes but Howard is good for 120+ RBIs and Utley is better than Galvis. Combine that with hoping the rest of the team starts to hit. B] go over the luxury tax threshold and make a move for a bat.
thats tunnel vision...its not just the prospects they would get back its the 25 million they could use to get multiple players...like a josh hamilton or bj upton
hamilton/upton + a starting catcher + a load of prospects >>>>> heidi
Get off of BJ Upton's cock he's overrated.
They're not gonna spend 25 million on Josh Hamilton either.
Sign Hamels, wait for the money to free up after the 2013 season to make your move for 2014.
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
The best thing the Phils can do is A] stay the course and hope they can hover around until Chase/Howard comes back. Yes I realize they're both 'done' in your eyes but Howard is good for 120+ RBIs and Utley is better than Galvis. Combine that with hoping the rest of the team starts to hit. B] go over the luxury tax threshold and make a move for a bat.
first off drabek is pitching terrific for the jays. that trade was under different circumstances and id do it all over gain. totally werth it to get the best pitcher in the game and make a run.
second you and everyone need to get off this utley/howard thing. its not 2007 anymore. neither player is really good anymore, and utley legit might never play another game. if you are counting on them to come back and carry the offense you are an idiot. plain and simple.
howard "drove" in runs because people were on base all the time. people like rollins, polanco and utley. news flash. those 3 arent getting on base as much anymore. therefore howard wont have as many rbis. he was among the league leaders in chances with risp and since he doesnt totally suck, he came through on enough of those chances. good for him.
again, you have hof brown toiling away in the minors while you try to win games with a slap hitting 35 year old singles hitters. you have 2 unbelievable trade chips. you can get young cheap major league ready talent. you can get howard and utley circa 2005 RIGHT NOW. its a 1 season step back. by 2013 they would be a playoff contender, by 2014 a title contender.
yeah i will never understand the choke GRIT savoir concept/theory
its over people...time to move on
and again its not like they are the indians and theyd need to restock to make a run 2-3 years from now. you are simply throwing the towel on this year, i.e. a year where they are the 4th best team in the nl east, and getting a few killer prospects for a player you probably wont resign anyway.
the doc trade is kind of out there...it take away their chances in 2013...but if a good offer is out there why not do it? grienke is a FA, hamels will hit the market again, hamilton, upton, montero, howie kendrick are all out there. theyd have tons of cash, too. and for a change, good young major league ready talent.
It's not a savior thing, but you can't discount that a healthy Howard and Utley improves the hitting. You don't subtract your 3 and 4 hitters from a lineup then say they won't make a difference once they come back. A bad year for Howard is 30 HRs and 100 RBIs, if Utley could play a whole season he'd still be good for 20-30 doubles, 15-20 HRs and 60-80 RBIs, you don't take that kind of production out of a lineup, replace it with Wiggington/Nix/Thome/Mayberry/Galvis then say "even if they were back it wouldn't matter". That's just ignorant.
I realize they aren't hitting for shtein right now but the season is still young. You don't trade Hamels because you think you might get a decent prospect and you might be able to add a guy like Hamilton in the offseason.
Pennants aren't won in April.
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 06:49:19 PM
and again its not like they are the indians and theyd need to restock to make a run 2-3 years from now. you are simply throwing the towel on this year, i.e. a year where they are the 4th best team in the nl east, and getting a few killer prospects for a player you probably wont resign anyway.
the doc trade is kind of out there...it take away their chances in 2013...but if a good offer is out there why not do it? grienke is a FA, hamels will hit the market again, hamilton, upton, montero, howie kendrick are all out there. theyd have tons of cash, too. and for a change, good young major league ready talent.
what has doc clifford and heidi gotten them exactly?...in fact cliff lee was the number one reason they lost in the playoffs last year
how could it possibly be worse....id trade heidi in a heart beat and add offense then take my chances with two good starters and more runs scored
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
It's not a savior thing, but you can't discount that a healthy Howard and Utley improves the hitting.
GRIT is done...he will never be healthy again...i dont understand where the refusal to believe this starts...perhaps marlton?
i dont completely discount choke coming back...but he will never go for 30 and 100 again...he can help the offense no doubt but hes fat getting old and has no achilles
these two guys are not the place you should be putting your faith in
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
It's not a savior thing, but you can't discount that a healthy Howard and Utley improves the hitting. You don't subtract your 3 and 4 hitters from a lineup then say they won't make a difference once they come back. A bad year for Howard is 30 HRs and 100 RBIs, if Utley could play a whole season he'd still be good for 20-30 doubles, 15-20 HRs and 60-80 RBIs, you don't take that kind of production out of a lineup, replace it with Wiggington/Nix/Thome/Mayberry/Galvis then say "even if they were back it wouldn't matter". That's just ignorant.
I realize they aren't hitting for shtein right now but the season is still young. You don't trade Hamels because you think you might get a decent prospect and you might be able to add a guy like Hamilton in the offseason.
Pennants aren't won in April.
you are missing the whole point. you are assuming howard and utley are the 2007 versions of themselves. they are not. its 2012. one is coming off a debilitating injury, the other's knees dont work anymore. look at how much "offense" they brought in the nlds last year. still waiting for that run.
again, rbis are 100% indicative of those hitting in front of you. when howard was piling up the stats he had 3 all stars in front of him. now he has juan pierre, a totally washed up polanco and an aging jimmy rollins. on what planet is he going to get the same amount of chances with risp. and on what planet has he been as productive as he was back in 06 and 07.
both players are finished. the line up is finished. they need offense. now. and 5 years from now.
Howard could hit 30 HRs and drive in 100 RBIs in his sleep.
I and the rest of the universe agrees Utley will never be healthy again, but they got 100 games out of him last season so I don't see why getting him for 80-100 games this season is out of the question.
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 07:00:40 PM
you are missing the whole point. you are assuming howard and utley are the 2007 versions of themselves. they are not. its 2012. one is coming off a debilitating injury, the other's knees dont work anymore. look at how much "offense" they brought in the nlds last year. still waiting for that run.
I'm assuming the Howard/Utley versions of 2007 by saying at the very least they'll produce their lowest hitting totals of their career? Okay.
And getting Howard/Utley back puts Rollins back at leadoff, Vic in the two hole, and Pence back at the 5 spot. Polanco and Pierre go to the end of the lineup.
they got 100 gimpy games out of him and he hit .260. .245 in august, .209 in september and he had a grand total of 1 RBI in the playoffs (though, to be fair, did go 7/16).
that figures to go DOWN this year. he is not a No. 3 hitter anymore and is a barley serviceable major league player.
and btw choke in 2009 at 45 hrs. in 2010 he had 31. in 2011 he had 33. i cant wait to see what he has in store this year!
Quote from: SD on April 22, 2012, 07:04:51 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 07:00:40 PM
you are missing the whole point. you are assuming howard and utley are the 2007 versions of themselves. they are not. its 2012. one is coming off a debilitating injury, the other's knees dont work anymore. look at how much "offense" they brought in the nlds last year. still waiting for that run.
I'm assuming the Howard/Utley versions of 2007 by saying at the very least they'll produce their lowest hitting totals of their career? Okay.
And getting Howard/Utley back puts Rollins back at leadoff, Vic in the two hole, and Pence back at the 5 spot. Polanco and Pierre go to the end of the lineup.
oh goodie where does thome get to hit?
i cant wait to see two washed up gimps go against gio gonzalez or mark beurhle for 3 at bats. then a loogy. 30 homers! 100 rbis!
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 07:08:17 PM
and btw choke in 2009 at 45 hrs. in 2010 he had 31. in 2011 he had 33. i cant wait to see what he has in store this year!
he has all the sings of an incredible fall off....not just in how much his numbers have fallen but also the injury the age and most importantly the body type and weight...every red flag you could possibly hope against is right in his wheelhouse
here comes romey with the all time pro phillie post
I think your Heckle & Jeckle act is hilarious.
It's April 22nd and you've already taken a shovel to the season.
That's not even worth arguing about. I don't know why SD even bothers.
i love it
pure deniability
let me take you back to rome circa august 2001. "we're not going to get attacked. the government would never let that happen."
now the winter of 1999. "no one would go into a school and just start shooting kids. that would never happen. you are an idiot."
now november 1941. "the japs arent going to drop bombs on us. that would never happen. why even bother preparing for it. you idiots."
i love this guy
i love him too...but yeah pretty much
our top resident homers are handling this in their own unique way
romey - there IS no problem
easy - ignore it/stay hidden
J - jump off the homer train but keep the receipt
donho - follow the leader
sd - just wait till utley and howard get back!
sunny - ?
Do these guys just not have any reading comprehension skills or what?
easy is way more of a homer than romey...easy and pg are the homer kings around these parts
romey will kill the teams in ways that easy doesnt have in him
i disagree with sunny and sd a lot but they are right down the middle in general....not homers or haters...maybe its because they are both super hero movie nerds
The clever thing is really not working out for you.
Nick Swisher could be an affordable guy next year...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2012, 07:42:02 PM
easy is way more of a homer than romey...easy and pg are the homer kings around these parts
romey will kill the teams in ways that easy doesnt have in him
i disagree with sunny and sd a lot but they are right down the middle in general....not homers or haters...maybe its because they are both super hero movie nerds
All that I'm saying is two things:
1. When you have good starting pitching anything can happen
2. It's two weeks into the season
Raise your hand if you thought the Cards would win the World Series last season, the Giants would win the World Series in 2010, or the Phillies would win the World Series in 2008 two weeks into the season [Yes I skipped the Yankees 2009 version because they stocked up with Sabathia/Burnett/Texeira]. I actually think struggling early might be a blessing in disguise but we'll see. For right now this is looking like a .500 club, but I'm willing to wait a little longer to see what they've got. Again, you don't win the Pennant in April
the difference bwtn those teams and the phillies this year is we arent discussing whether the phillies can win the world series...we know thats not the case...we are discussing how far they fall into the abyss
the cards actually had talent. the phillies are hitting freddy galvis 7th.
its not april. they arent good.
Quote from: MDS on April 22, 2012, 07:37:32 PMeasy - ignore it/stay hidden
I'm not hiding. The offense sucks and there's nothing that can be done right now, so just ride it out.
its a long ride from here til september
By that time football season will start so we won't give a shtein
The Phillies are getting off easy thanks to the Flyers.
bring dom brown up
get mark reyonlds from baltimore, throw polanco into the sun
wait for howard and kneey mcknees to come back
hope for the best
this team is in trouble.
The only thing that's somewhat keeping hope alive for me right now is the fact that over the last several years, the Phils have made a splash in the trade market to address needs. I don't think they can hold off until the trade deadline to make a move though because it'll probably be too late at that point, so they'll have to be very proactive and aggressive to get something done in May or June. Adding 1 legit bat to the lineup could make it at least an average lineup and with the pitching they have, an average lineup will help a lot and then if Grit and Choke come back and are at least semi-productive, then things could really be looking up. There's a lot of "ifs" in that scenario but I don't think they are out of the realm of possibility. Basically, I'm gutting it out with this team until Jul 1.
If Jul 1 comes around and they haven't added a bat via trade and Howard and/or Utley aren't back in the lineup and producing, then I'm calling it quits for the year.
i dont know that one bat (other than a healthy 2007 choke) would even help this lineup....something that has been covered up by the fact that the lineup on paper as whole is historically bad is the fact that the few quality bats they do have (pence, jimmy in particular) have been terrible....if they dont start hitting at a high level it doesnt matter what you add in a trade
See if they can pry Mark Trumbo away from the Angels. Deal with his horrible defense at 3B, or stick him in the OF where he's not too bad. And he can play 1B until Howard comes back.
the thing that kills them the most is they have 1 guy (pence) who is above being a singles hitters
just think about it from an odds perspective. they need 3 hits to score a run, basically. pierre, vic, jimmy, ruiz, galvis are all singles hitters. wiggerton blows. what are the odds that all of those guys are going to string together 3 hits or string together 3 good on base at bats in a row?
meanwhile, back when they had good players, all they had to do was get 1 person on for utley, howard or werth, and that person could score because...wait for it...those players had power and could hit for extra bases. amazing coincidence.
the general make up of the lineup is fatally flawed. thats not on charlie, its on rube. what is on charlie is not getting desperate enough to get a run when they have the chance to do it.
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2012, 11:45:54 AM
bring dom brown up
get mark reyonlds from baltimore, throw polanco into the sun
Dom is struggling with AAA pitching, and Reynolds is 6/48 with no HRs and 22 Ks
the hitting is irrelevent, they sent him down for fielding and he's had 1 error this season.
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
the hitting is irrelevent, they sent him down for fielding and he's had 1 error this season.
Who HOF?
I saw one of the beat guys say that his defense in LF has been embarrassingly bad.
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
the hitting is irrelevent, they sent him down for fielding and he's had 1 error this season.
lol errors. that tells the story, especially for an outfielder.
lol they played 3 seasons with Raul Ibanez, but NOW they care about defense
They probably do care more about defense these days now that they don't have much offense.
you can get away with bad lf defense, regardless of how good or bad your lineup. it just depends how much offense the player has and how bad the defense is.
burrell didnt misread balls, had a good arm and got on base 40% of the time. so his statue defense was fine. ibanez was a poor mans version of that.
pierre cant hit the ball out of the infield, has a noodle arm and no range. he is a purposeless player. unless dom's defense is beyond hideous there is no sense in him toiling in AAA.
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2012/04/23/pence-injures-left-shoulderarm-severity-unclear/
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Pence_out_with_shoulder_injury.html
lol jesus
Home Runs
Matt Kemp - 9
Josh Hamilton - 7
PHILLIES - 7
Curtis Granderson - 6
Mike Napoli - 6
Yankees - 27
Rangers - 23
The goddamn Orioles - 23
Cardinals - 20
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Phillies - 7
Pirates - 7
Cubs - 5
THIS TEAM IS NOT GOOD
chase utley was hitting bp and said his knees felt good. world series!
3-0 in the 1st
game over
kendrick is doing kendrick things. ty wiggerton is batting clean up. juan pierre is playing left field.
i remember 1997. that was fun. this is like that.
6-0
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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2 innings
19 pitches seen by Phillies hitters
farging icehole losers
it really is amazing how bad they are
they have a 147 million dollar payroll and their lineup includes juan pierre, placido polanco, ty wiggerton, john mayberry and freddy galvis. amaro really did a number on this team.
good thing papelboner and his 50 million dollars are there. they need him for that 1 inning 60 times a year!
Freddy Galvis is the team leader in extra base hits.
Freddy farging Galvis.
lol in a team full of singles hitters thats fitting
wheeler is also in all time passive aggressive mode right now.
mcnabb should be taking notes on this performance.
I have the DBags broadcast - another night of no Philly broadcast.
Whats Wheels saying?
its mostly his tone. its not anger, not disappointment, just frustration with a clear understatement of "this isn't my fault and im not going to get any more specific about it." textbook 5.
he also lectured fans on why manuel didnt hit for kendrick in the 3rd, then explained what "ninos and ninas" meant in english.
lol hilarious
Wade Miley is the gent who is mowing the Phillies down.
Wade Miley.
Miley Cyrus would shut these bums down.
7-0
time for Charlie to rip asses
touchdown dbacks
here comes herndon. this will be great.
"it just wasnt his night," says tmac.
Herndon lolololololol
8-0
lol that wasnt even close
my god they are some kind of terrible
everyone just wanna stay the course, right? wait for utley and howard to get back? this is just a rough april stretch i take it.
Yeah this is bad.
should i call up hector luna? #actualthingsrubenamaroisthinking
gained half a game on the Mets #homereasy
MAAAyberry got a hit!
im watching the end of cubs/cardinals
i dont know, ANYTHING is better than this garbage team
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 23, 2012, 10:55:45 PM
gained half a game on the Mets #homereasy
the beauty of this is hes kind of not joking
hey chicago what do you say, the cubs are gonna win today
lololol
Pete Orr gunned at the plate - shut out intact.
look at that...offense
down 9-0 in the 9th against someone who wont be in the majors tomorrow. awesome.
At least I got some fantasy production out of Victorino there
lol..definition of a cocktease...
Gelb made mention that he thinks Charlie may have gone off in the dugout...see anything to support that on the Wheels feed, MDS?
Double play Galvis....
Ballgame. Way to wait until the 9th, jerks.
i quit watching. i needed to release some uh...yea.
anyway when you need a double play, you can always count on freddy galvis. big time knock there.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2012, 10:43:38 PM
7-0
time for Charlie to rip asses
yeah because all that talent isnt living up to expectations....light a fire under them chuckles then they will magically become good hitters
this shtein is depressing
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 07:23:44 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2012, 10:43:38 PM
7-0
time for Charlie to rip asses
yeah because all that talent isnt living up to expectations....light a fire under them chuckles then they will magically become good hitters
Sometimes people just need to have their asses chewed because they deserve it rather than because they need it.
that might work from bill parcells or scotty bowman
if chuckles is yelling just to yell i think most players would giggle under their breath at him
Then let Wheels do it.
wheels version of yelling at them would be allowing the entire locker room to bukkakeru him
this should make you feel better...
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tSSu2Qy8G9pTSsguHAbeu-A&output=html
Yep...next year's gonna be tight. They could resign Hamels, Pence, and Victorino and have only like 13 mil left over before the luxury tax. After that, money opens up a little bit.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
that might work from bill parcells or scotty bowman
if chuckles is yelling just to yell i think most players would giggle under their breath at him
He did it a few years ago in Florida; he went off in the dugout and they ended up playing really well.
they had talent...he was going off on them for not playing the game the right way...not hustling...and doing the little things
different from now where they are basically a AAA lineup who could be the most intelligent hard working team of all time and are still gonna suck
some sports fans will never get over the fact that its not high school or little league and TRYING HARDER and LIGHTING A FIRE UNDER THEIR ASSES doesnt mean dick when you dont have any talent
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2012, 04:26:22 PM
some sports fans will never get over the fact that its not high school or little league and TRYING HARDER and LIGHTING A FIRE UNDER THEIR ASSES doesnt mean dick when you dont have any talent
Rah rah win one for the gipper shtein doesn't fly.
But when a normally jovial good ol boy finally has enough and barks then people listen. My boss is the coolest most laid back dude I've ever met but when he gets a case of the red ass then we listen because it happens so rarely.
Orr is batting 2nd tonight. Stay calm J
Nothing surprises me any more.
Senor Smug could sign himself to a contract and I wouldn't be shocked.
what a great inning
lol @ peter orr batting 2nd. where is easy. where is your world series pick you joke
Wowowowowowow!
A home run!!!!!
Looks like Pence's shoulder is fine
2 days, 2 homers with people on base
this....is....amazing!!
Offensive explosion!
Pop the champange bottles!
and then they turn the lineup over
world series caravan ALL ABOARD
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 24, 2012, 09:21:44 PM
Orr is batting 2nd tonight. Stay calm J
Like I said...
7 runs. Orr for HOF!
Rollins 3-32 on the road trip
who needs GRIT when you gots ORR
ORRLY?
Mike Zagurski is still alive?
lol
i wasnt paying attention until i heard tmacs voice get high but i looked up and said holy shtein is that zagurski?
what a fat shtein. he still sucks.
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
and then they turn the lineup over
world series caravan ALL ABOARD
I sense sarcasm.
QuoteAccording to Michael Schwimmer (scout): Dom Brown's defense has improved unbelievably. Apparently he made a Mays like play a couple of days ago. He said he's getting good reads, jumps and throwing the ball great.
schimmer is his teammate....at least he has his back
yeah, i think it's another guy, could be wrong though
that would be amazing if michael schwimer the scout was scouting michael schwimer the player
jews be running shtein in baseball
Apparently every tweet with #GoDbacks in it gets posted to Chase Field's scoreboard for everyone to see. SMRT
QuoteFanSince09
Attn fan in section 132 row 5 seat 18: You look kind of Mexican. Prepare to show your papers. #GoDbacks
you mean continue to be
dirty secret: we be running all things
Chooch just tried to score from 1st on a wild pitch. Awesome
world series
Woohoo! Only 5.5 back of the powerhouse Expos.
scoreboard watching in april #astrosfans
lol
Just gotta keep it close until Grit 'n Choke get back, buddy!
i looked at the standings last night for the first time all year
until memorial day periodic peaks at it is all you need. and i honest to god do not like this team.
Meanwhile...your Philadelphia Phillies are losing 1-0 in the 5th.
oh noes the world is ending its not even may shut up
lol
3-0 now and they got bailed out by that bonehead Soriano running the bases like a dope.
Cubs suck and the Phils can't even sniff a run.
Jimmy is ice farging cold...3-37
GIDP
3-1 b8th
Good game, fellas.
You could see the way this was going in the first inning. Phils had first and third, no one out.
Rollins fouls out to catcher.
Pence pops to short.
Victorino bounces into a fielder's choice.
Rinse. Repeat.
What a shteinshow.
Hunter Pence's defense has been awful.
So Wigginton is Mr. April.
shteinshow is right J.
i will not watch another game this year
Quote from: Don Ho on April 27, 2012, 11:47:49 PM
So Wigginton is Mr. April.
shteinshow is right J.
For real...I am having a hard time remembering when they were this infuriating and awful to watch.
1999? 2000?
2000 they had the worst record in baseball (along with the Cubs). How ironic.
Raul Ibanez = .271/3/11
MAAAyberry = .200/0/2
Nix = .348/1/6
this team sucks. i listened to the first inning, and after they didnt score, i didnt even bother. you knew where it was going.
anyway heres how the game i covered tonight ended (winner went to playoffs, loser went home): 0-0, btm 9 (high school plays 7), 2 outs, some mexican up. he hits a blooper to right, its called fair, bounces away from the fielders, throw to 3rd gets past 3rd baseman, no back up, runner scores. game over.
fielding team coaches claim it was 3 feet foul. 1st base coach for hitting team says it hit the line. i couldnt get a good look because the fielders were standing right in front of where the ball landed.
see, its not so bad.
beisbol no been berry berry good to joo
good to know that the phillies don't care about outfield defense unless it's when talking about Dom Brown.
soon no one will care about the phillies
i'll always care buddy
fine....if you care i care
glad to have you back
its been a while hasnt it
some injury updates
http://philliesnation.com/archives/2012/04/injury-updates-on-ryan-howard-chase-utley/
Jimmy back in the one home tonight.
he has houses in philly and oakland...if not more
Castro was out, but who really gives a farg.
Yeah, he was.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 07:05:21 PM
he has houses in philly and oakland...if not more
Yeah and they're pouring the foundation for one in Mario Mendoza's neighborhood too.
Phils have two on, none out, and Vic up. Chances of scoring are about 15%.
Bases loaded, one out, and Ruiz up.
Chances of scoring: 23%
Chance of double play: 48%
Chooch es el hombre.
Did I just hear, "It's up to Pete Orr?"
Not only do I not get the Phils feed but the goddamn WGN feed isn't even in HD.
Wtf? I pay $200 for this shtein?
Atta boy Jimmy!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2012, 08:19:07 PM
Not only do I not get the Phils feed but the goddamn WGN feed isn't even in HD.
Wtf? I pay $200 for this shtein?
Atta boy Jimmy!!
Why don't you just turn on WGN on the tee vee? You know it's a cable channel, right?
I have the hockey game on my television and the Phils on my computer since I'm working on school stuff right now. Kind of reminds me of watching the game on my 13" TV in my bedroom as a teenager.
Aha! Stupid me.
Thome out with back tightness.
The nice thing with mlb.tv is that I can pick which feed I want for every game. Hooking up the laptop to the TV gives a pretty picture. Tried a Roku (so I wasn't always using the kids' computer), but that picture was awful.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 28, 2012, 08:59:16 PM
The nice thing with mlb.tv is that I can pick which feed I want for every game. Hooking up the laptop to the TV gives a pretty picture. Tried a Roku (so I wasn't always using the kids' computer), but that picture was awful.
It's unreal how much better mlbtv is to ei. I have the games on my phone, cpu and tv (via xbox app) and its 80 bucks cheaper.
Elders go for ei. MA goes for ei.
I don't have an Xbox so how else would I see MLB.tv on my tv?
Dawk threw out the first pitch to tonight. The video is on MLB.com
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2012, 09:55:23 PM
I don't have an Xbox so how else would I see MLB.tv on my tv?
Do you have a bluray player? The app comes on a lot of them.
Love the way they sync up the radio audio with the video feed, when you play mlb.tv through a computer. The Phils TV crew is banished. Unfortunately when I play it through Apple TV, the audio doesn't seem to have that option.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 28, 2012, 10:57:08 PM
Love the way they sync up the radio audio with the video feed, when you play mlb.tv through a computer. The Phils TV crew is banished. Unfortunately when I play it through Apple TV, the audio doesn't seem to have that option.
yea only cpu has the option, not on phone or xbox. when i have the chance to do it at work i always go for franzke and LA unless its like the mets guys are something.
@ phreak you can buy a ps3 or xbox on the cheap and just use it for that. totally worth it. for example im driving up to austin tomorrow and now i have 3 hours covered...radio feeds come with it.
Sarge - I don't have a bluray but will be buying one soon.
But I may go the xBox route - because I'd like to be able to watch and listen at work and while in the gym...so having it on my phone will be handy
Inept offense? Check.
Failing to work counts? Check.
Bad Hunter Pence defense? Check.
Matt Garza looking like Bob Gibson? Check.
3-0 in the 6th.
J, sure you want to invest in all that equipment to watch this crock of shtein?
You know what? Good call. I'll save the money and not worry about it.
These farging clowns are awful.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Of course the two games I miss this season are the two they won in Arizona where the bats went off.
Marmol is walking people and they still cannot get a rally going.
Phillies haven't had a losing month since 2009 and haven't had a losing April since 2007!
Holy farging shtein! A base hit!!!
Bases loaded and two outs
A run gets walked in...Braindeadorino is up...0-2 count
grounded out...good job, Shane!
1 run on 2 hits.
farging iceholes. I hope Amaro likes his farging handiwork.
The goddamn Cubs suck and they worked the Phils over
Like we had any faith Vic would do anything there. 2 measly hits, the last being an infield single. Swell.
Worked them over? They still got one more game to do so tomorrow
Nice first inning
Small ball? Phillies? Do I have the right game on?
Phillie get a call go their way (DeJesus was safe)
Pence didn't look like a clown in the field
Phils offense actually hits and scores
4-0
So they'll lose 7-4? Sounds about right...
In real time you could tell Dejesus was safe, when they showed the replay it wasn't even close. He was almost elbow deep on the bag before the tag was applied.
Sarge's Cholly-san shirt is awesome.
Volstad heals all
I am about sick of these goddamn Phillies commercials with the same goddamn song playing every commercial break
Here it comes...
bases loaded with Cubs...0 outs.
Phils haven't sniffed a run since the first...
Good job pitching out of it and nice play by Polanco
farging bums
Yep. Inevitable.
farging corksuckers.
Son of a farging bitch! Typical. I leave and it's 4-0, come back from appointment and the shteinbags let the Cubs back in it. Eat me.
Wow. More amazing feats tonight...
Polanco got a huge two out hit and they battle back
I knew they would do it. I've always had faith in this group.
farg qualls and farg T Mac with his NL East recap. Everyone is losing in the division tonight, Nats are off, here we come!
A well deserved "win" for Chad Qualls tonight.
Anyone want to explain this one to me? Anyone? Back of the baseball card stats?
Thankfully I missed the Qualls meltdown. Worley was pitching great. Not sure why they lifted him. Pitch count?
Quote from: MDS on April 30, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
A well deserved "win" for Chad Qualls tonight.
Anyone want to explain this one to me? Anyone? Back of the baseball card stats?
I wish I could have laid money on you posting this. When they showed him in the dugout as the Phils were taking the lead I said to myself "I bet Todd shows up and tries to say wins don't matter'.
I win.
chooch be pimpin (http://lockerz.com/s/205515847)
Herndon to the DL with elbow inflammation.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 30, 2012, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 30, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
A well deserved "win" for Chad Qualls tonight.
Anyone want to explain this one to me? Anyone? Back of the baseball card stats?
I wish I could have laid money on you posting this. When they showed him in the dugout as the Phils were taking the lead I said to myself "I bet Todd shows up and tries to say wins don't matter'.
I win.
nevertheless WINS DONT MATTER
seriously. explain how to me how it makes any sense that qualls got this win. if his record is a 6-0 at the end of the year youd think he was an awesome pitcher. meanwhile he coughed up a 3 run lead and because the offense happened to score runs immediately after that, he gets credit.
also worley pitched great but gets dick to show for it. can we please stop acting like old people. this has nothing to do with moneyball. this isnt sabermetrics. this isnt vorp. its common sense. the world is round. jesus was not the son of a flying spaghetti monster. STOP
Quote from: Don Ho on April 30, 2012, 10:02:29 PM
Thankfully I missed the Qualls meltdown. Worley was pitching great. Not sure why they lifted him. Pitch count?
He finished with 102. So, yes.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Herndon to the DL with elbow inflammation.
ALL IS LOST
Mr. April Wigginton still rolling.
They won! 2.5 out of first!
Qualls almost yaked it up again. Best part was Venters giving up 4 hits in 2/3 of an inning!
Looks like Thome to the DL too. Kratz was called up
he played like 3 games and didnt even make it to may
what. a. joke.
The Cole Hamels fruitini p-chops on ZWR are pretty funny.
Hanson has thrown 74 pitches through 3. Doc has calmed down and is now mowing the Braves down.
the fisherman needs to put one in MAcanns ribs for what hof hanson did to chooch
Really starting to like this Wigginton.
FREDDIE!
Quote from: MDS on May 02, 2012, 08:08:05 PM
the fisherman needs to put one in MAcanns ribs for what hof hanson did to chooch
Thought for sure he'd at least make someone dance on hot coals. Bums still have what, 16 more with Atlanta?
Holy farg!
Games in Atlanta, joke. Guy hits a grand slam to tie it up after being down 6-0 to start the inning and 2 minutes later there is absolutely no buzz in that stadium.
It was nice of Doc to give up 6 runs that inning.
[igy]This is the year Doc breaks down and I wouldn't be surprised if he finished with a 4+ ERA[/igy]
Why leave him in?
Charlie? WTF? Doc was dead 20 minutes ago. Jesus.
lol armchair managers strike again
if he brings in savery or something the chorus would say why did you take doc out? it was 1 bad inning.
your ace sucked tonight and blew the lead. they arent winning this game because of that. goodnight.
If Doc's going to struggle in the heat in early May, what in the hell is going to happen come July and August? Well at least Miami has the air conditioned dome.
So much for that 107-0 record with a 4 run lead, eh Ace?
Doc is as red as his farging hat.
Doc needs an IV, farg get him an ICEE.
CHOOOOCH
Haha at teh Chooch Swag
that panamanian farger
now to get 9 outs from this wretched bullpen
NO fargING WAY!
CHOOCH!
Well holy shtein.
Who are these fargin guys? 9 runs?!
Chooch owns the Braves!
Quote from: MDS on May 02, 2012, 09:29:27 PM
now to get 9 outs from this wretched bullpen
Oh farg.
Kratz first at bat. Remember this moment. We can share this memory for years.
Dman right TMac, Kratz doesn't run well.
I just Kratz my pants.
Chooch with 7 RBIs
He almost single handedly offset Doc's zesty performance.
C'mon papa.
Well shteins getting interesting thanks to Jimmy booting a Fidel made DP...
despite that truck has been garbage this year. he is cooked.
now here comes michael schwimmer. good god.
Son of a bitch.
well it is michael schwimmer, so im not sure what you were expecting
Can this farging cock throw strikes?!?
farg JRoll and farg this bullpen. Ridiculous.
HA! Charlie as red as Doc was.
What a goddamn shtein show.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 02, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
Can this farging cock throw strikes?!?
hes probably not a major league pitcher, so its quite mind boggling why hes in this kind of spot
im not really sure what to think of this game. as little i think of them as a team this might be a write off
Don't you love train wrecks? Get Schwimer on the next bus out of here.
the ace coughed up a 6-0 lead and gave up 8 runs
the catcher has 7 rbis and as a team they scored 12...they couldnt score 1 on most nights
the gold glove godly sure handed SS butchers a dp ball
michael schwimmer was trying to get big outs
i dont know. this just might be one of those games. at the end of their 82-82 season you could just look back and say oh ok that was fun.
How do you iceholes find the energy to care this much about 162 games every year? Calm down. They suck. It's fine.
That call was awful!!
Holy shtein
holy funholehair that was horrendous call on jimmy
not only was it outside but hes had such a tight strikezone all night. and then he calls that.
whatever. its 1 crazy game that aint gonna go their way.
Strike? Crock of shtein! farging icehole
THEY NEED ANOTHER RUN BRIAN SANCHES ISNT GETTING 3 OUTS!
Pineapplehead!!
fargING Pineapple!
fargING Brian Sanchez?
Victorino legs one out...awesome.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/imgly_production/4234732/large.jpg)
Drunk Larry Andersen must've been going strong on the punch out of Jimmy. He rides umps like crazy
Nice at bat by the Spaz.
Senor, Schwimer, Sanchez = recipe for disaster
Is it 112 degrees with 150% humidity? Everyone's faces are beet red...even the black dudes
i have a feeling that mr. sanches isnt going to get this to the 10th
just a feeling
James Hoye is farging awful.
I hope he takes a foul tip to the sack
how bout that brian sanches
i knew he had it in him
i also wonder what they do if they hit for sanches but dont score a run--either qualls pitches when hes unavailable or they have to run kendrick out and get another starter for friday
C'mon Chad!
Disgusting.
How appropriate.
the fact that brian sanches got through 2 innings was impressive
3 was asking too much
fun game, though. who knew they could score 13 runs?
They have to win that game...awful loss.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 02, 2012, 11:14:55 PM
They have to win that game...awful loss.
lol
no they dont. they technically dont have to win any games because they arent really good, but nevertheless.
besides doc's meltdown everything else in this game was gets filed under "weird baseball happenings during a 162 game season." jimmy's errors, the terrible call on jimmy 3-2, michael schwimer, brian sanches, carlos ruiz having 7 rbis, vics bullshtein infield hit to tie it...nothing made any sense in this game.
they just happened to lose it. oh well. the braves owed them one. 2 weeks from now this will just be an L on the calendar, and if they would have won it just would have been a W. it means dick.
Yes..you do not lose games like that. Not when up 6-0 and 12-9. Rationalize it all you want, but that's an awful loss.
it would be an awful loss if this were september and they were a world series contender
as i said doc should be killed but the rest is just kind of whatever. oh no brian sanches gave up a homer. omg!
MDS is basically the authority on the Phils. He rarely says anything I can even mildly disagree with regarding the team anymore.
I'll check in sometime in July or so. He's got this.
Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute. they lost a game!
halladay gone indefinitely from the phillies for personal reasons
indefinitely now means tomorrow
i think he just had to renew his driver's license, that's such a PITA
Quote from: SunMo on May 03, 2012, 08:37:47 AM
Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute. they lost a game!
worst loss ever in the history of sports
what a joke this team is. theyll never win the world series now!
Quote from: MDS on May 03, 2012, 12:04:26 PM
Quote from: SunMo on May 03, 2012, 08:37:47 AM
Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute. they lost a game!
worst loss ever in the history of sports
what a joke this team is. theyll never win the world series now!
There's the Todd we all know and love.
not quite
last year = regular season meant nothing because they were winning 100 games regardless
this year = regular season means nothing because they arent making the playoffs regardless
The Phillies of Philadelphia won today's baseball contest in which Joseph Blanton pitched a complete game 3-hitter.
Outstanding performance by the lads. The portly fellow was quite impressive.
It is of note that his 88 pitches were the fewest by a Phillie in a complete game since Mike Grace in 1987. </biged>
i think you mean 1997
i remember grace. one time he started a game on passover and i had to turn the game off to go to the sedar. jews.
Heavy B looked sharp today. Good win.
LaYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYnce!!
Kendrick vs Strasburg tomorrow night on MLBN.
Strasburg may whiff 15+ tomorrow.
I am curious to see how the lame Nats effort of keep Phils fans turns out. I hope that joint is jam packed with Phillies fans.
tomorrow is going to be an abortion
nats score minimum 8 runs and phillies get maximum 3 hits of strasburg. odds on harper hitting a hr are -850.
if you need to take a game off make it this one. watch the sixers please.
I'm stuck with the Nats broadcasters.
Chuck got run in the first on a bad check swing call by Douche Harper. No 3B ump tonight; Joe West isn't there.
Nats announcers talking about how pro-Nat the crowd is...but a lot of cheering when Werth GIDP
lol @ pro-nats.
loved the natitude thing too.
what a farging amateurish nightmare of a region that hell hole is.
Hunter Pence's defense is garbage.
Pence makes up for his awful D by being only the second RH ever to go yard against Strasburg.
2-0 good guys.
Time for Kendrick to give up 4?!
PS Werth is stinking the joint up at the plate too
Kendrick 1/4th of the way to giving up that 4-spot.
Tracy = HR
Two singles back to back....1st and 2nd with 0 outs.
Get a farging DP, icehole
Chooch es en el fuego.
Bomb to deep center
if these weekend goes how i think it might i could be back on the nl east title bandwagon
i hate myself
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
I'm stuck with the Nats broadcasters.
We're watching on mlb tv. They are horrible. Who is the color guy? He's an irritating farg.
basticho, qualls, papelboner
lock it in lock it out
Quote from: Don Ho on May 04, 2012, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
I'm stuck with the Nats broadcasters.
We're watching on mlb tv. They are horrible. Who is the color guy? He's an irritating farg.
FP Santangelo.
I love how every play the Nats make they force the supposed NATTITUDE of the crown down our throats. Here's a hint, jerkoffs...no matter how many times you say it - it doesn't make Nats "fans" make more noise.
Screech the Nationals mascot? Please.
The no 3B ump fargs the Phils again.
Joe West, even while NOT in the park, is sticking it up the Phillies asses
That was fair, very close but even live it looked fair.
Make that THREE fargings by Ghost of Joe West.
Edit - do the Phillies beat writers read this board? They used my Ghost of Joe West on Twitter.
BULL fargING shtein! SAFE. farg these morons.
it was the right call by the ump, the ball beat him there and the tagged looked clean. he cant see specifics.
just terrible luck for the phils that there is no actual 3B ump to rule on this
This is such bullshtein. Hope they all become violently ill tonight.
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2012, 09:19:46 PM
it was the right call by the ump, the ball beat him there and the tagged looked clean. he cant see specifics.
just terrible luck for the phils that there is no actual 3B ump to rule on this
And of course the two closest calls/plays of the game happen at third base.
basticho Confidence Level?
7
Quote from: Don Ho on May 04, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2012, 09:19:46 PM
it was the right call by the ump, the ball beat him there and the tagged looked clean. he cant see specifics.
just terrible luck for the phils that there is no actual 3B ump to rule on this
And of course the two closest calls/plays of the game happen at third base.
like i said, bad luck. thats basically all baseball is.
and id be fine if tardo plunked harper in the face right here
King Bryce believes he didn't go and cries about it.
farg off, jerk...you got out of a K in the 1st. Go sit down and farg yourself.
the baseball gods taketh away, the baseball gods giveth
All for seeing Harper drilled. This guy is going to be a pain in our ass for a long time.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 04, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
All for seeing Harper drilled. This guy is going to be a pain in our ass for a long time.
I hope he gets chondromalacia of the mouth
Did you just hear the Nats announcers? "Let's Go Phillies chant drowned out by Let's Go Nats" "Good for them". These two are priceless.
When did Davey Johnson turn 99?
Qualls confidence level?
2
Credit to Santangelo on Espinosa's close call at 1st...he said he was out.
PBP guy, even in freeze frame/slo-mo, "ohhh I don't know" as you see the ball hit Wiggington's glove.
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYberry - you sir can go farg yourself
GODDAMN YOU MAYBERRY and farg YOU QUALLS
Ryan Madson with a torn elbow > Chad Qualls
nothing like an 8th inning guy with 2 intentional walks in 1 inning to 2 guys who wouldnt start for the phillies
This is going to backfire on Qualls. Than again anything Qualls is behind is going to backfire.
His name is Jimmy.
lol blown call goes Phils way
suck my wang, Nats
Who is the long man?
Schwimer?
Hold me, MDS.
Schwimer up? Group hug.
Babe Ruth Jr walkoff bomb in the b9th coming up?!
Stop me if you've heard this before...Freddy Galvis popped out.
The fact this announcer has to keep recognizing the Nats fans making noise is hillarious. Most noise from Nats fans since Bastille Day 1978.
you cant expect ty wiggigton to get a big hit, or even move a runner, can you?
also this game has been so poorly umped it almost doesnt even count
I'm telling you - its hilarious how much they're pimping this crowd. Nats people tweeting about it all the time too.
Werth missed a super-duper hanging slider. That was a farging frisbee that Schwimer got away with.
Pineapple Head!!
Smooth ass play there.
No mention of the Phils fans cheering.
The noise from the Nats crowd would be great if it wasn't the first game for 90% of them. By first game I mean live, radio, tv, newspaper, blog, morse code, etc.
Two huge K's by Bill Nye the Science Guy and all he gets is the golf clap?
Best part of Schwimer being in there is that you have absolute zero faith in what he's doing. You expect the worst. Goes bad you saw it coming. Goes good, well you drop dead of shock.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 04, 2012, 10:25:42 PM
Best part of Schwimer being in there is that you have absolute zero faith in what he's doing. You expect the worst. Goes bad you saw it coming. Goes good, well you drop dead of shock.
lol
Yep.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 04, 2012, 10:20:06 PM
Two huge K's by Bill Nye the Science Guy and all he gets is the golf clap?
Reminds me of:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_apaGga1fGIQ/SnDAI93AdKI/AAAAAAAADh0/uBljPwSmB7g/s320/Nye+Bowman+F.jpg)
I want more innings so I can hear these guys go on about Nats Nation taking back the ball park. So farging quite there I feel like I'm watching study hall at the Christian Science Reading Room.
Phils have 6 hits in 11 innings.
They're as bad as the Bulls.
Sixers Win! and Schwimer still sucks.
Ballgame.
Nats win the world series.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 04, 2012, 10:25:42 PM
Best part of Schwimer being in there is that you have absolute zero faith in what he's doing. You expect the worst. Goes bad you saw it coming. Goes good, well you drop dead of shock.
Yep. That was pretty much the worst.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 04, 2012, 10:36:04 PM
I want more innings so I can hear these guys go on about Nats Nation taking back the ball park. So farging quite there I feel like I'm watching study hall at the Christian Science Reading Room.
It was pindrop quiet with the Nats bases loaded 2 outs in the bottom of the 11th. I did hear some mild excitement after the walkoff hit though.
OUT
Hit Strasburg and then get shut down by ham and eggers.
Sounds about right.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2012, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2012, 10:54:40 PM
OUT
Liar.
i mean OUT of them being a playoff team. i was IN for a little, then they lose this game because of a total lack of a talent and woke me back up to reality.
of course ill be watching tomorrow, though. if thats what youre getting at.
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2012, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2012, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2012, 10:54:40 PM
OUT
Liar.
i mean OUT of them being a playoff team. i was IN for a little, then they lose this game because of a total lack of a talent and woke me back up to reality.
only a homer would ever be in on this travesty
this is i think my second post since the season started and will be my last.....dont be a south jerz douchebag.....thats all i got to say
they'll be fine. the nationals stink.
best pitchin staff in the majors cant stink
plus they are doing all this without their lights out closer and their version of choke
and the phillies are doing it without their #2 pitcher and their 3 and 4 hitters.
phillies >> nationals
phillies without choke suck....nationals without their choke have the best record in the majors
just say morse, because he's not close to howard.
they are missing their 4 hitter, but the drop off from howard to morse is huge so missing morse doesn't hurt a team as much as missing howard does to the phillies.
last year was probably Howard's worst as a pro and he put up .253, 33 HR, 116 RBI, and a .835 OPS
Morse last year in his first productive year after being in the league for 6 years did .303, 31 HR, 95 RBI, and a .910 OPS
he barely is better than Howard in Howard's worst year of his career
name your price and ill bet you the nationals end up with a better record than the phillies
i wanna hear from all the racists who have said over the last few years that the phillies would be better without choke
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2012, 11:17:05 AM
name your price and ill bet you the nationals end up with a better record than the phillies
i wanna hear from all the racists who have said over the last few years that the phillies would be better without choke
we already have what, $10 on phillies and 90 or more wins right?
i'll do $20 on phils better record than nationals.
yes and IN
FYI - phillies are on pace for 79 wins
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2012, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2012, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2012, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2012, 10:54:40 PM
OUT
Liar.
i mean OUT of them being a playoff team. i was IN for a little, then they lose this game because of a total lack of a talent and woke me back up to reality.
only a homer would ever be in on this travesty
this is i think my second post since the season started and will be my last.....dont be a south jerz douchebag.....thats all i got to say
aint about that
there is nothing impressive about the rest of this division and the rest of this league. the phillies themselves are a joke and would be better off trading doc and cole but to me there is no reason to believe they wont be a "playoff contender" come september.
not sure if that will be for the division or just the WC but they will be a .500 to a little over a .500 team and that should be good enough to make things interesting. its sad but true.
Nice effort today. I went to a funeral and I'm fairly certain I had a better time than any Phillies fan who watched that coat hangar abortion.
LOL, way to bring race into it again. You've been betting against the phils for what? Ever? The season is young, but I'll go double or nothing with ya for the 20 spot I owe ya on that bet.
Let's just accept the fact that this is not a very good team.
Accepted.
Another solid effort today.
They can't hit and the bullpen is a mess.
Viva Senor Smug!
farging thud farging team they fufargjbf suck
They have a worse record than the Astros right now
Astros at CBP next week for suckapalooza. Good seats still available.
Astros sweep.
They actually hit the ball.
Phils may not win another game this season.
i actually really like them to win tonight
they werent supposed to win friday and had no chance saturday. this was the 1 they were gonna get.
maybe next series doc and lee will pitch and kyle kendrick wont.
QuoteThe Phillies have been outhit, 29-9, in two days by a Washington lineup missing its own mashers in Ryan Zimmerman, Adam LaRoche, and Michael Morse. Journeyman Chad Tracy, pitcher-turned- outfielder Rick Ankiel, and rookie Steve Lombardozzi are 17 for 27 with six runs scored, two home runs, and four doubles in this series.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 06, 2012, 03:58:08 PM
Phils may not win another game this season.
They should tank for the #1 pick and trade Hamels for prospects.
hamels is about the only player i wouldn't trade unless someone just blew me away with an offer.
Hypothetically speaking if they did decide to deal him, they'd never get a fair deal for him either. The trade deadline is historically not kind to sellers whose centerpiece is a pending FA.
They need to sign him pretty damn quickly. If he hits the FA market he'll be a Dodger quicker than HBionic pulling up his favorite porn site. I heard someone on the radio the other day speculate that if he hits the market the Dodgers would be willing to give him a $200M deal.
since they are going to resign him and totally win the world series this year, it makes sense to keep him
Greg Gross...way to pound "work the pitcher" into your guys' heads.
6 pitches for Zimmerman in the first.
Hamels stuck Babe Ruth Jr right in the back...good job, Heidi
Good job there vagina! Set that prick straight Cole.
Even the misses said Harper looks like a punk.
Peg that little farger again.
And Douchebag goes home on the pickoff attempt.
The national media will now proceed to deep throat him AND play with his balls
that was totally on cole
feel free to pay $200 mil for that so cal funhole
Trade everyone.
I am developing a pretty strong hate for this Washington team.
Christ, prepare yourself for Harper overload over the next two hours.
Go ahead, hit Chooch. I want to see a bitch fight.
Fight fight fight fight
Through three innings the Phlailing Phils have seen only 30 pitches and hit only one ball in the air.
weaker:
my bladder last night or juan pierres arm?
Pierre's arm...
Leadoff walk. I am shocked.
GIDP coming up
Well sonofabitch...Pence homers!
Spazz!
I farging love those Occupy Nationals park shirts.
The cheers for Pence's home run were as loud/louder then the cheers for Harper's AB.
Quote from: Munson on May 06, 2012, 08:58:36 PM
The cheers for Pence's home run were as loud/louder then the cheers for Harper's AB.
Let the Washington media tell it and you'd think there was 46k strong there cheering for the NastyNats!
3-1.
Funny how the ESPN crew was saying how great this Nationals buzz is for baseball with the big crowds this weekend. Christ, if it weren't for all the Phils fans place would be half empty.
Honestly, can it get any worse than that farging sign?
Quote from: Don Ho on May 06, 2012, 09:05:32 PM
Honestly, can it get any worse than that farging sign?
What did it say? I was on the Flyers game.
SD, it was the big canvas NATTITUDE sign ordered from SIGNS INC last week. Cheesy as it gets.
This won't end well....Werth is hurt.
Something says he will get booed and national media will crush Phils fans
Werth's done for the season
That can't be good.
Ouch! He just broke his arm/wrist...and that is the wrist he had problems with in LA.
Sucks.
How much $$$$$$$ is left on his deal?
more years but less money than choke
Is there a contract worse than Chokes in major league baseball?
Pujols
Zimmerman has lost it.
Make him pay.
Loaded with 0 outs.
Quick poll; how many do they score?!
I've got 1
My $$$ on 0.
They should have sent Hamels
Here we go! Your bums at work for you.
What a putrid effort.
farging funholes
I'll buy myself dinner. Going to be a cheap dinner as this pile of shtein team makes me sick. Joke.
We still got Doc, Grit and Choke! The future is bright. About as bright as my pale ass.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2012, 09:58:18 PM
What a putrid effort.
farging funholes
not trying to defend them but pence's fly out scores just about anyone. if its 1-1 or 2-1 they might send hamels. but the way he was pitching with a 2 run lead, not gonna happen.
Maybe Gross should show the bums the video of the 19 year olds swing.
Juan Pierre should try throwing RH...it cannot be any worse
Nady replaced Werth...any doubt he goes yard?
Wow, the Nationals do have some farging arms in the outfield.
Pineapple Head finishes them.
Chuck is gonna let Hamels go for the CG
Pineapples for everyone!
lol
that dude ripped up some flowers
Pence!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
Pineapple Head finishes them.
Chuck is gonna let Hamels go for the CG
I hope so...I'm down 2-8 with Hamels going and now trailing ERA by .01...just 1 more damn out should get me the 3rd win.
I'm down by .03 in WHIP too but I don't think a clean inning will be enough.
Sanches coming in.
This offensive outburst has saved MDS from losing to me 10-5 rather than 9-5 (Vics triple got me ahead in TB)
King Brycie farged up lololol
NAT NATION getting restless.
Heirschheiser "Replace your divot after you hit" on Pence's HR.
E Golden Boy
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
Sanches coming in.
This offensive outburst has saved MDS from losing to me 10-5 rather than 9-5 (Vics triple got me ahead in TB)
King Brycie farged up lololol
farg you funhole
that triple was such bullshtein.
w/e this aint my big money league anyway
Quote from: MDS on May 06, 2012, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
Sanches coming in.
This offensive outburst has saved MDS from losing to me 10-5 rather than 9-5 (Vics triple got me ahead in TB)
King Brycie farged up lololol
farg you funhole
that triple was such bullshtein.
w/e this aint my big money league anyway
lololol
FYI per David Hale; Polanco has three 3-hit games in his last 10. Only had one 3-hit game in his previous 114 games before
Snaches? C'mom, I want to see Schwimer give up an 8 run lead.
Mayberry needs to get hot? Good luck with that.
those losers in the occupy shirts with the green arm are from crossingbroad
dorks
SAAAnches is AAAwful.
Papelbon warming.
Sanches you farging tool.
Start stretching Jonathan.
joe savery is one lucky dude
QuoteHamels: "I'm not going to lie. I was trying to hit him."
Werth broke his wrist.
Quote"I'm not going to injure a guy, and they're probably not going to like me for it, but I'm not going to lie and say I wasn't trying to do it. I think they understood the message, and they threw it right back, and I think that's the way, and I respect it."
Cole's gnads finally dropped.
6-game suspension coming soon to a lefty near you.
worst team evar!
Mike Greenberg is an idiot. But this makes sense:
QuoteIf they suspend Hamels it will be for not lying about what we all know he did on purpose. Not the act,but failure to lie. Make sense to you?
http://deadspin.com/5908220/?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
How many times did John Lannan hit a Phillies player?
Quote from: Don Ho on May 07, 2012, 02:45:56 AM
Cole's gnads finally dropped.
Why? Because he hit a teenager with less than a week in the bigs? Dont get me wrong, Harper is a farging baby and there arent enough bad things that can happen to him, but Hamels was an embarrassment and to top it off, he lput him on base and Harper ended up stealing home. If you're going to put him on then you better not let him do any damage on the bases.
They only thing worse than a hoyda is a hoyda pretending to be a tough guy.
Hamels is an embarrassment? what?
omg he stole home! they won farging 9-1. shut up
Quote from: SunMo on May 07, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
Hamels is an embarrassment? what?
omg he stole home! they won farging 9-1. shut up
Agreed
I love what he did. farg Harper. I'm glad he drilled that little bitch then confessed. Hamels knew his actions were going to cause a retaliation and he took his medicine like a man. Hamels could have pulled the usual "the ball just got away from me" but he said farg that I did that shtein on purpose.
Now if he threw it at his head I'm singing a different tune because that's some bitchmade shtein, but he drilled him in the side where shtein like that usually happens.
this team has no intensity or emotion right now, so to see their young pitcher show some backbone against an up and coming team i think is a great thing.
who is their young pitcher? schwimer?
cole hamels aint young mike brady. would you please stop babying him. its 2012.
Yeah, but he's got a really young face and could pitch another decade+ due to being a lefty. Plus....
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-POhu1lP4W64/T6faK-8CpNI/AAAAAAAABNo/C25BsSMeEgM/s1600/COLE.png)
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Quote from: SunMo on May 07, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
Hamels is an embarrassment? what?
omg he stole home! they won farging 9-1. shut up
I think he embarrassed himself, yes. They still won, that's great. But the explanation afterwards was laughable, especially coming from him. He's not old school and he's not a tough guy. That's not his shtick and him trying to pretend it is is hilarious.
why isn't a tough guy, because some marine from kansas city says so from the 20 games he watches a year?
You figured me out.
he needs more scars, and maybe a camo glove, then he'd be tough i guess
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YntY1kyKo4o/TEL-wRO3IxI/AAAAAAAAK8o/XQ-aie347FE/s400/macho+man+cole+hamels.jpg)
i dont think him being a tough guy is the issue....he clearly isnt one....but who cares non tough guys can do tough guy things......but heidi didnt do that by hitting harper
did i miss where harper showed him up...im still trying to figure out why he hit him...."welcome to the majors"...really?
not to mention the phillies suck this year so the move screamed of a bunch of sore losers...also what would have happened if zimmerman had plunked heidi on the wrist and broke it....how tough would he have been on the DL
if this was a mets phillies series circa 2007 and he hit reyes id be all for it....but the team is awful and they are trying to create some sort of faux rivalry with the god damn wash nationals....you shouldnt ever be sinking to a level below that pathetic franchise
I refuse to comment further until I've heard AshishPatel81's viewpoint on the matter.
check out the cricket thread
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 07, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
I refuse to comment further until I've heard AshishPatel81's viewpoint on the matter.
Lol
johnny slim +250
sassy -180
suspended 5 games and fined
Token punishment.
QuoteAfter walking off the field feeling nauseous knowing my wrist was broke and hearing Philly fans yelling 'You deserve it,' and, 'That's what you get,' I am motivated to get back quickly and see to it personally those people never walk down Broad Street in celebration again.
Yea, cause they weren't cheering that you dropped the ball, ass
oh no a professional athlete said something!
lets react.
I love the fact that Hamels drilled that little dickface.
Too bad he didn't hit him in the temple.
"ace" halladay blows another lead
nice work, redface
So Todd has gone from insufferably telling everyone to stop talking about anything ever to excessively complaining about everything. Super.
Ump tonight has been inconsistent.
manuel hitting galvis here is all time retard move
just awful
Christ almighty. So many things to bitch about and so little time.
Halladay faltering...again.
Phils offense shteinting themselves...again.
Victorino being a dope...again.
Jesus motherfarging Christ sonofabitch corksucking farg!!
farging goddamn farging bullpen and $50m farging closer giving it up to a dude with no farging hits ever.
farg you!
oh sweet lord they are horrendous
someone named jordanian valdespin just hit a 3 run homer. good god. END THIS TEAM NOW.
i love how the fact that they are terrible is just hitting J like right....NOW
oh ok. now you get it.
Somethings called a Nickeus and Valdespin cornholed The $50m Man.
Amaro's done a bang up job.
Grit and Choke should retire and get fat and never come back
considering how the 9th went it might not have mattered, but manuel bunting polanco to set-up galvis with a runner at third and 1 out was mind boggling.
then he pinch hits nix, knowing collins will bring a lefty, all so he can get eric kratz an at bat?
really. this is your manager.
Having Daniel Dae Kim throw out the first pitch tonight was quite appropriate as this team truly is LOST.
the elders are getting older and we are all happy about the one billion dollars smug gave to a closer
was anything in sports more predictable than this team
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Sign him now! Can't be any worse than the middle relief they're carting out there now.
Did he play one of the groundskeepers in Major League?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2012, 12:51:50 AM
the elders are getting older and we are all happy about the one billion dollars smug gave to a closer
was anything in sports more predictable than this team
Your reaction to it.
I think this may be my first (and last) time posting on this thread, but I have a serious question....Why all the hate towards Werth? Because he took the money and went to an in-division rival?
He helped the team win a WS, did them a favor by not signing that deal so Lee could return, then was replaced by a younger, cheaper Werth in Pence..
Who are you, Angelo Cataldi?
There is no HATE on Werth in general. Playful mocking of him on this board, for sure - what the hell do you expect from us? But, the whole media coverage on the situation is due to that CrossingBroad douche's contingent harassing him during the game Sunday.
Thanks for checking in. Now go away.
Quote from: DH on May 08, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
I think this may be my first (and last) time posting on this thread, but I have a serious question....Why all the hate towards Werth? Because he took the money and went to an in-division rival?
He helped the team win a WS, did them a favor by not signing that deal so Lee could return, then was replaced by a younger, cheaper Werth in Pence..
Personally speaking I don't hate him - I don't blame him for taking the $12whatever million that dumbfarg Rizzo gave him. I'd have been pissed if Smugly had matched that offer.
But he gets mocked for not producing and living up to that contract.
Its a Bobby Bonilla/Mo Vaughn/Oliver Perez type deal for Washington.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/post/mike-rizzo-fined-by-mlb-for-comments-on-cole-hamels/2012/05/08/gIQAKAoMBU_blog.html
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 08, 2012, 06:21:27 AM
Did he play one of the groundskeepers in Major League?
:-D "They still farging suck"
Did not know this about Daniel Dae Kim:
Quotegrew up in Easton, Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley. Kim is a graduate of Freedom High School in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, lifelong Phillies fan
Fatty just cruising tonight.
Quote from: DH on May 08, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
I think this may be my first (and last) time posting on this thread, but I have a serious question....Why all the hate towards Werth? Because he took the money and went to an in-division rival?
He helped the team win a WS, did them a favor by not signing that deal so Lee could return, then was replaced by a younger, cheaper Werth in Pence..
because phillie fans are douchey marlton kids
lol at these farging guys
Another game...another creative way to show the world they farging suck.
Thank you for this collection of funholes, Ruben Amaro Jr. Thank you for the zesty bullpen and laughable offense.
please everyone go watch the sixers
Pete Orr can go farg himself.
Piss poor throw and now K's with the tying run on 3rd.
This team is disgusting
why the farg is he even batting there. manuel is a disgrace.
please i repeat go watch the sixers. what the farg are you doing
I am watching them...I have been flipping in between all three
i suggest never flipping over to another phillies game this year
they farging suck
I can't help it.
no real fans will ever watch this team again
settle down drama queen
where the hell is that homer sunmo. what a fraud.
Missed the last part of the game tonight. Bums were up 4-1 when I left. Just watched the last 4 innings on mlb.com. This bullpen is beyond terrible. Qualls is a piece of shtein, Bas tardo just gets worse with every outing and Schwimer, need I even touch that one. Senor at 97 years old? I never thought I'd ever miss Herndon but please hurry back.
Bye bye Schwimer. Hello Cliff Lee.
always good to see someone tasked with holding a late lead last week and asked to hold a 1-run deficit last night get sent down.
heck of a bullpen they got there
Cliff Lee should hit farging cleanup.
lololololol
Implosion time!
Get a lead - and watch the pen blow it.
Kendrick is sucking but wait help is on the way- Sanches is warming!!
Ahahahha Kendrick hit Duda and now it's tied.
Full blown meltdown.
And now Mets take the lead.
4-2 winning to 5-4 losing.
you seem mad
I mean Jesus motherfarging Christ!!
Pence has played awful defense with two bad routes on doubles off the wall and then he drops a ball!
And the .160 hitting farg who doubled earlier goes yard.
4-1 to 9-4
The maddest I have been in years. farg Ruben Amaro Joonyah.
Brian Sanches is not even an A-ball pitcher.
HR - single go his first two faced.
People hitting .438 against him.
you seem mad
First time 4gms under this late since 2007
First mets sweep in Philly since 2006
Bullpen era is probably over 5 by now.
$50m closer, no offense and no bullpen.
Great farging job, Ruben.
you're a little late to the party my man
Savery optioned.
Diekmann coming up?
Charlie held a meeting after the game. Maybe he needs Eskin to challenge him to a fight
you seem mad
lol a team meeting. A for effort. try harder! do good!
what is this, junior high?
wait....j is more mad now at a zesty team who everyone knew was done than he was in the 2009 world series when heidi imploded or last year when cliff lee couldnt hold onto a 4-0 lead in the ds
I think he's more mad at Rube than the team itself.
i think smugly is awful as well....but i dont really know what he could have done with what he has to work with....they are an ancient roster all getting old at the exact same time....he should have went for offense over giving paplebon a trillion dollars...but other than that smug went all in a few years ago to win a a title and they just didnt get it done...all thats happening now is what we all knew would result at some point....
the disgraceful part of what is going on this year is that they didnt win a title in the last couple years....they do that an no one gives a shtein about what is happening now or for the foreseeable future....which is gonna be ugly as well
i'm still living off of 2008. that stops next year though.
Quote from: SunMo on May 10, 2012, 10:18:12 AM
i'm still living off of 2008. that stops next year though.
probably would be as well if not for the offseason where they got cliff lee back...once you do that you have to win another title
really though if the red sox and cardinals can win multiple titles in the decade.....then theres absolutely no reason the rollins choke utley victorino chooch heidi core shouldnt have done the same
thats how i will always view this phillies era....2008 was absolutely phenominal but it was more about the city finally ending a drought than it was the phillies winning...they needed a second title in the worst way to put their own stamp down as a legendary TEAM
i can buy that, sometimes though it seems that you disregard 2008 too quickly. but i see that point of view.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkZUfaDE3ak
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2012/05/10/time-for-a-talk/
lol i didnt know about the "yesterday's all-stars" crack. as of now they are "last month's all-stars."
Ruben says Phils might be sellers mid-season.
Who goes?
Pence
Victorino
Wiggington
Nix
who the farg wants wigginton or nix. wiggigton is a career loser and empty stat chaser.
they ought to trade hamels, halladay, pence and victorino. and polanco. everyone. blow this mother up.
Says no one wants Wigginton Or Nix.
Offers to trade Polanco.
And if they're going to sell, it's not going to be Hamels if the guys they're selling open up more money for them to resign Hamels.
Quote from: MDS on May 10, 2012, 12:55:46 PM
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2012/05/10/time-for-a-talk/
lol i didnt know about the "yesterday's all-stars" crack. as of now they are "last month's all-stars."
What's just as funny is Zolecki's book "The Rotation". Other than that last day of the season and all the drama who wants to read about last year and the 102 win smoke screen?
Quote from: MDS on May 10, 2012, 02:15:38 PM
who the farg wants wigginton or nix. wiggigton is a career loser and empty stat chaser.
they ought to trade hamels, halladay, pence and victorino. and polanco. everyone. blow this mother up.
they are pieces that a contender could put on their bench. i'm not looking to raid a farm system. just get rid of contracts, especially nix's two year deal.
lol so no one wants Wigginton or Nix but they'll want Polanco.
ok.
Who the farg would want Polanco?
As long as we have to endure this awful excuse for a bullpen Herr Smugness can kiss our ass.
Jake Diekman, Hector Luna and Raul Valdes up from LV
For who?
Sanches, Orr/Galvis, and...?
Savery, Sanches and Nix (DL)
Quote from: SunMo on May 10, 2012, 02:24:27 PM
lol so no one wants Wigginton or Nix but they'll want Polanco.
ok.
Polly can play 2nd and 3rd, still has a glove and can....hit .250? They other two are garbage.
But anyway my point is on the top of the trade list should be pence, hamels, doc, etc. Moving wiggerton or nix or even Polly won't do anything.
when you move nix you clear his contract for next year, not sure what you don't get about that.
and moving hamels would be historically stupid but not surprising for this GM
How much is he on the books for? It can't be enough to matter.
And yes, trading Cole would be good. They aren't resigning him. And they can't win this year
an aging pitching staff and you want to trade the one guy who will be productive for 5-7 years. good call.
they are re-signing him.
Yeah..you'er trying to get younger since your complaint is the team has aged and you wanna trade the only young ace....farging moron.
Halladay?
He's older than Rome
They're not going to sell nor should they. They'll turn it around.
Go team.
anyone and everyone can go...if you can find a sucker for cliff lee then he is by far priority #1...his deal is an abomination and has four more years where as halladay just has two....if you are for resigning heidi than getting rid of lee or halladay is essential....you cant have three 20+ million pitchers on the roster
beyond phifer i would take it on a player by player basis...you have to weigh what you could get in return versus what they will cost....this is why id deal heidi...he will bring back a haul and i just dont want to sign a pitcher to a 5-6 year 130-140 million dollar deal....especially a pitcher who i believe has a good chance of having health issues in the coming few years
the focus here should be building their farm system...they need to hit rock bottom before they can get back up
the big story here tho is that smug actually came out this early in the year and said publicly that they could be sellers....thats absolutely shocking to me
Quote from: SunMo on May 10, 2012, 04:40:03 PM
an aging pitching staff and you want to trade the one guy who will be productive for 5-7 years. good call.
they are re-signing him.
if they are then fine. but i dont believe they will, so they need to get something for him.
and yes EVERYONE can go. the only really unmovable deals are jimmy, papelboner and choke (no one and i mean no one is touching that horrendous deal). i wonder if anaheim will deal trout for either cole or doc...
^^^These two morons still think the Phillies are a small market, small budget team.
They don't need to restock the farm completely because in 2 or 3 years they'll be able to buy young talent if that's what they want to do.
Isn't this actually the first year of Choke's deal? Or maybe even next year? Hahahahaha FTL
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 11, 2012, 06:33:48 AM
Isn't this actually the first year of Choke's deal? Or maybe even next year? Hahahahaha FTL
yep...hes the only player on the roster who gets paid in 2017...
didnt even mention his deal in the whole mix because its so bad and literally unmovable
Hamels can pitch effectively for another 10 years. You have to try to re-sign him. However, the Phils should definitely consider seeing what they can get for Halladay, Victorino, and/or Pence. Not sure anyone else on the roster has enough value to warrant anything but a salary dump. I perceive that Lee's career may last longer than Halladay's, but either way his contract sure does, so you'd think Roy's trade value is much better.
Sucks to think about, but this team ain't doing shtein this year.
QuoteBlue Jays Inquired On Hamels, Victorino
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [May 11, 2012 at 8:04am CST]
In anticipation of possible midseason trades, the Blue Jays have asked the Phillies about left-hander Cole Hamels and center fielder Shane Victorino, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Though GM Ruben Amaro Jr. has said the Phillies could become sellers and Hamels and Victorino are on track for free agency this offseason, no deal is close or likely.
Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos asks about other teams' star players regularly, but there's a difference between due diligence and serious trade talks. The Blue Jays have reportedly inquired on Felix Hernandez, Michael Pineda, Gio Gonzalez, Jose Reyes, Alex Gordon and others under Anthopoulos without acquiring any of those players. Meanwhile, Amaro told Rosenthal that he needs to be mindful of the Phillies' short and long-term goals.
Dash Treyhorn:
QuoteRooting for this Phillies team to win right now is like rooting for a lit stick of dynamite not to explode.
Good analogy.
QuoteBuster Olney @Buster_ESPN
If you took a preliminary NL MVP vote, Matt Kemp would win. But this catcher would be in the Top 10. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28447/carlos-ruiz Two more RBI today
Scott Podsednik traded to BOS for $$$.
Good win. MAAAyberry showing signs of warming up a bit?
MikeMike moved to the 60day DL (I forgot he was even part of the team).
Mike Fontenot getting called up tomorrow & Kratz was sent down.
FYI Ibanez has 6hrs and went deep off Felix tonight
If Raul is the solution they're in trouble, Hoss.
You're right...but Carlos Beltran is raking and he was a FA
once again blame dom brown
they went short term solution in LF because they "plan on" making him the LF of the future
ps beltran is a total loser and would never last in philly. hes perfect for MA st louis
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 11, 2012, 10:07:23 PM
Good win. MAAAyberry showing signs of warming up a bit?
its a plane...its a cloud...not its not...its HOMER J!
lol at blame dom brown.
he should be up playing right now but Rube insists on keeping him in AAA all year for some retarded reason
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2012, 12:47:38 AM
they went short term solution in LF because they "plan on" making him the LF of the future
had nothing to do with short term solution...beltran signed for the same amount of yearss laynce nix...its was the money...and they chose to give their money to a closer
Quote from: SunMo on May 12, 2012, 09:50:25 AM
lol at blame dom brown.
he should be up playing right now but Rube insists on keeping him in AAA all year for some retarded reason
i have no problem with him coming up and getting 450 at bats...it doesnt matter at this point they are horrible...but to think hes going to produce at this level is nuts...he sucks in triple A...h would be a joke in the majors right now
hes hitting .247 with sub .300 obp and an ops below derrick mitchell, hector luna and rich thompson.
no homers. 6 walks. 21 strikeouts.
"bring him up," sunmo said. "hes going to be awesome."
Ho-hum...Halladay leaves the game trailing 2-1...Phil's couldnt hit Volquez.
Bases loaded and Vic IBB so they can face Pence and he farging pops out.
Boooooo!! Go from 2nd and 3rd with 0 outs to loaded with 2 outs
2nd and 3rd no outs, now it's bases jammed 2 outs. Think we see where this is going:
0
Goddamn I farging hate watching these iceholes.
why are you getting mad
i hate to say this but i think you may have a learning disability.
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2012, 09:13:24 PM
why are you getting mad
i hate to say this but i think you may have a learning disability.
This guy. Listen to this guy.
10 LOB and 1-8 with RISP; your 2012 Phloundering Phillies
Chad Qualls in...o/u 1.5 runs allowed
its like logic is hitting you in the face and you are not accepting it
please wake up houston. wake up
wooo fantasy save
dale thayer ftw
Ship Hunter Pence back to Houston.
hes a total spazz
but is there seriously a bigger loser on this team than ty wiggerton. dude has played in exactly 0 meaningful games in his worthless career...now getting big at bats...big market...full stadium...uhhh NO
This team sucks. Kill Amaro.
Phillies are 0-9 in the last 9 games started by Halladay or Lee.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 13, 2012, 09:01:39 AM
Phillies are 0-9 in the last 9 games started by Halladay or Lee.
pitching wins championships
(http://www.onpublicspeaking.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Giants-Win-2010-World-Series.jpg)
The cliche is pitching and defense wins championships.
They've had neither lately.
Pitching does win championships.
This includes relief pitching.
Why in the farg is Contreras still on this team?
3 for 21 with RISP the last two days. At least they're consistent.
Yay team.
Bring on the Astros
Eskin saying Hamels has told the Phils they want a 7yr deal
enjoy LA heidi and all the modeling opportunities it will provide
They'll settle on 6.
farg, give him 7 years. Or 6 with a vesting option. I don't care about the years, dude is young. As long as they can convince him to stay for 20 mil AAV.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 14, 2012, 10:05:51 AM
They'll settle on 6.
That's what I'm thinking. Jimmy had a semi-ridiculous "demand" too and they were able to work it out. If Hamels has any real desire to stay, then I think they'll work it out.
Hamels has injury concerns but has managed to stay healthy and also generally improve as a pitcher more and more. He should definitely still be able to pitch well into his mid-30's.
Let's just say it wouldn't be the worst long-term deal Amaro brokered.
a six year deal would be iffy...a seven year deal would be assinine
and any deal without moving halladay or lee first would not be prudent and probably wont happen anyway
I still don't know what all these injury concerns are...at least any more than any other pitcher.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2012, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 14, 2012, 10:05:51 AM
They'll settle on 6.
That's what I'm thinking. Jimmy had a semi-ridiculous "demand" too and they were able to work it out. If Hamels has any real desire to stay, then I think they'll work it out.
Difference is that Rollins wasn't getting five years from anyone. Hamels will more than likely get 7 in FA.
This team has no future, and it's kind of depressing.
Joe Blanton has a 2.9 ERA and the Phillies are under .500.
pretty sure with Hamels/Lee/Halladay/Worley (who has been pretty good too) if you said Blanton would be this good, even with how bad the offense is, I would have guessed they'd be doing pretty well right now.
i am so glad there is a sixers game on because this game is hideous
How true. This Phillies game is awful. Hawes is not far behind.
according to game log pence popped up with a runner at 3rd and 0 outs
shocking
Quote from: Don Ho on May 14, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
How true. This Phillies game is awful. Hawes is not far behind.
It's Hawful
MAAAyberry getting his groove back.
Galvis has 15 RBI. As Zolecki points out - more than Jimmy and Polanco combined
Polanco now has 2000 hits...so congrats on that.
J's boy diekman coming in to close it out
he looks arian
Quote from: SD on May 14, 2012, 09:28:52 PM
Polanco now has 2000 hits...so congrats on that.
And just ole'd a short hop.
Charlie about to have an aneurysm arguing with the home plate ump!
And there goes Qualls with the routine lead off double allowed in the top of the ninth.
now 3-2.
Smooth move by Cholly utilizing Papelbon in the non-save situation last night.
Holy farging shtein. farging Qualls is a an idiot and Pence couldn't field a beach ball.
Look in Cliff Lee's eyes = I'm gonna farging kill this mother farger.
NM
Cliff Lee pitches great again and doesn't get the win because Chad Qualls sucks.
Wins. An important stat.
Kill Chad Qualls.
corksucking farg.
worst walk off homer ever
at least pence and the rest of them realized how pathetic it was that it came to that
SPAZ! And yes J, farg Qualls. He gets worse every appearance.
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2012, 04:15:12 PM
worst walk off homer ever
at least pence and the rest of them realized how pathetic it was that it came to that
Yep, weakest walk off celebration I think I've ever seen. Pence still looked pissed.
I didn't see it but at least he did something worthwhile rather than play zesty defense.
Send Chad Qualls to the goddamn Camden Riversharks.
here you go J (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21458239)
what a pathetic celebration.
this team is dead
and it gets better....Worley is hurt. Savery was called up
3 straight.
Mock?
"arm soreness"
See ya in July 2013, Vance
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 15, 2012, 04:53:58 PM
and it gets better....Worley is hurt. Savery was called up
Good thing they kept Blanton and didn't deal him.
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2012, 04:15:12 PM
worst walk off homer ever
at least pence and the rest of them realized how pathetic it was that it came to that
I don't care if the LF threw it over the wall - a homer is a homer. They win.
The celebration was subdued but they've been playing like shtein. Its not like they're 31-7.
Quote from: Rome on May 15, 2012, 04:57:42 PM
3 straight.
Mock?
First time this season. Bums.
No one expected any different unless by some miracle Howard and/or Utley both returned healthy early.
You can't take 75 home runs and 240-250 RBI out of a lineup as well as lose another 20-25 and 85-90 in Ibanez and expect anything but a decline.
The starting pitching has been great, the hitting (especially situational) has been awful and the middle to late relief has been an abomination.
That's why they're 18-19 or just about what everyone realistically expected.
They'd be a few games above .500 if their middle relief was worth a damn
Exactly.
Their defensive efficiency has been awful as well. They haven't committed many errors but they're not converting balls in play into outs at nearly the same clip as they did last year.
That's really inexplicable considering they're without two monstrous defensive liabilities in Choke & Raul.
3 or 4 years ago I'd say that Choke was a defensive liability but the last couple of years he really improved in the field....at least to the point where I would not consider him a liability.
even at his worst he was never a "monsterous" liability....and hasnt been a liability of any kind in probably five years....he has trouble making that sidearm cross body throw to second thus people remember seeing him throw a ball into left field a few times which admittedly is an image that is not easily forgettable...but they turn that image into the notion that he is terrible defensively
Yeah....I was actually looking at his defensive stats maybe a month or so ago and I think over the last several years, he was basically 6-8 in fielding percentage in the NL....which like saying you graduated in the top 40-50% of your class.
The other big problem he seemed to improve a lot on was scooping balls thrown in the dirt. He seemed to really struggle with that the first couple years in but progressively got better as time went on.
My concern now with him coming off the achilles is how well is he going to field his position when it comes to those sharply hit balls down the line. He's probably not going to be able to plant and get as good of a jump on them as he did before.
I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but this injury really could make him an average player with slightly above average power.
Fans bitch about the hitting and that deserves some merit, but they have relief coming soon. Maybe it's not the Howard/Utley from a few years ago but they're definite upgrades over Galvis/Nix/Wigginton/Mayberry/Thome/trash. The middle relief is the big concern, they've already shown the ability to blow games and they have no consistency. They should have a go to guy then a right and lefty specialist, right now they have none of the above.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 15, 2012, 05:28:39 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2012, 04:15:12 PM
worst walk off homer ever
at least pence and the rest of them realized how pathetic it was that it came to that
I don't care if the LF threw it over the wall - a homer is a homer. They win.
The celebration was subdued but they've been playing like shtein. Its not like they're 31-7.
the homer wasnt pathetic (though it was a bank special)
it was pathetic that they had to go to extras to beat a wretched astros team. its another slap in the face to how far they have fallen. last year...year before that...they win this game 10-1. this year they need extras because they cant tack on insurance runs and their 1 reliable reliever is unavailable.
its pathetic and its a joke but its what they are now--a team barely good enough for meandering weekday afternoon home wins agianst farging houston.
Actually when they were good the Astros used to kick their ass.
They first time they got Lee I seem to remember the Astros sweeping them late in the year in an empty ass Minute Maid Park.
that really doesnt matter, its not about how theyve specifically done against the astros
the point is they suck and are painful to watch. please tell me you recognize this,
dont forget the worst manager in baseball
you mean the guy who uses his 50 million dollar closer in a 4 run game but not 2 a run game?
i dont see it
Charlie had been kicked out before Qualls was put in. In fact Contreras and Diekman were warming earlier.
oh ok, so its pete mackannons fault
charlie would have went with the 3000 year old cuban who cant get anyone out.
got it
Vance has elbow inflammation and is now on the DL. Ugh.
the bullpen moves are blantant and horrific....something a little less under the radar that killed me the other day was when jimmy was on second with no outs and he had pierre try and sac bunt him over
are you insinuating shane victorino and hunter pence are not productive in RBI situations?
This is why IGY loves twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/bunting_pierre)
Quote from: MDS on May 16, 2012, 01:42:43 PM
are you insinuating shane victorino and hunter pence are not productive in RBI situations?
no im insinuating that in the first inning its retarded to sacrifice a guy to third with no outs...it limits your run total for the inning...an inning where you are looking for as many runs as you can get....its not 1-1 in the 8th where you are trying to scrap a run across...plus you had a guy up who doesnt strike out and is most likely going to hit the ball to the right side anyway
Runners on third with less than two outs score 60.3% of the time while runners on second with no outs score 48.7% of the time.
Charlie is not and has never been a problem. You're barking up the wrong tree, fools.
lol J sarcasm
charlie is a brutal manager...you just dont notice it as much when the team is mashing three run homers all the time...they won a world series 100% in spite of him
hes terrific in everything except for in game stuff, which kind of is the biggest part of his job
honest to god as bad as they are if they had a decent manager theyd be 2 or 3 extra wins right now
You could say the same thing about the pen. They've blown quite a few leads in the 7th and beyond. Gotta imagine that even reducing those losses by half gives them and extra 3 or 4 wins as well.
if we keep doing this long enough they will soon have the best record in the majors
if they had better players they would be better?
Reuben Frank: Doubles in first 38 career MLB games: Ryan Howard (8), Chase Utley (7), Pat Burrell (9), Freddy Galvis (10).
Pierre drops a fly ball, an easy one...and then Soriano goes yard.
2-1.
1B ump has blown two calls in the Phils favor tonight...Pineapplehead was out but he was called safe and Kendrick scored.
2-2
Nice inning there for KK. 32 pitch 4th inning. Let's see if the "machine" can get him some runs.
i feel every time charlie puts in contreras he is giving ruben the finger
Quote from: MDS on May 16, 2012, 10:19:47 PM
i feel every time charlie puts in contreras he is giving ruben the finger
Haha...I was thinking the same thing.
farging Pineapple.
there is almost no way truck doesnt implode here, and therefore lose the game
but remember this is the same team that took a season and a half to cut dannys baez
Senor looking 21 out there.
Chooch is in a zone.
Carlos farging Ruiz is a man!
Damn fine inning by basticho.
so they have 2 good relievers?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2012, 10:54:41 PM
Damn fine inning by basticho.
Yes indeed. He looked good.
Another double by Galvis.
Bases loaded 0 outs....how many do they score?
bullshtein hit for wiggerton
thats the only way he can produce in meaningful spots
Hector Luna.
My oh my.
Luna shot!
nothing like AAA players teeing off on AAA pitchers
bring in raul valdes!
LUNA TIC!
Speaking of AAA, Triple A Berry 0-5, 3 K's tonight.
They're mediocre!
.500! LET'S DO THIS!
doc vs. volstad tomorrow
el. oh. el. world series.
Doc is 1-5 vs the Cubs, including 0-3 at Wrigley. Oh well, a split's great huh
Thank god for Doc the forecast is calling for a cool night. No red face.
Zolecki: Kyle Kendrick has a 2.96 ERA in his last 13 starts dating to last season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 17, 2012, 06:48:29 AM
Zolecki: Kyle Kendrick has a 2.96 ERA in his last 13 starts dating to last season.
:PG bat signal
She hates him like he's the poster boy for immunization.
lol
Chooch for MVP
Ruiz is on farging fire.
4 in a row.
I can see Amaro shooting the finger to the detractors in my minds eye.
glad to see chooch found the needles jar and took one for the team this year.
:yay
lol?
pop goes the jake diekman balloon
another win and another step closer to first
easy talk to the haters with me
Only 4 games out of first!
Hamels/Bard on MLB Network
Blanton/Lester on FOX for the northeast, the west coast, most of Florida, Don Ho and the Palins (http://www.the506.com/mlbmaps/)
Lee/Beckett on TBS
Oh how I love Saturday afternoon games.
shut up and watch the game fox tells you to watch
ungrateful fort bend farg
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2012, 01:40:02 AM
Oh how I love Saturday afternoon games.
Gives me a legit excuse for getting a twelve pack and sitting my fat ass in my chair on a Saturday afternoon.
like i need an excuse for that
It's not an afternoon game. FOX has 7:00 games the next 8 weeks
May interest only me:
Bryan LaHair hit the routine fly ball to Juan Pierre Wednesday night after the 14-pitch AB against Kendrick, which Pierre dropped.
Last night, Pierre made TWO diving catches on balls hit by LaHair.
That is all.
Interesting
Cholly serving a 1 game suspension tonight stemming from his ejection against the Astros. The ump who tossed him (Bob Davidson) is also suspended 1 game (also tonight....was scheduled to ump Twins/Brewers).
Chooch is a legit offensive threat at this point
phillies need to make some awesome patch for their jerseys...maybe something with the liberty bell or along those lines...similar to what the orioles have with their md state flag patch....jesus their uniforms are insane
pretty impressive heidi 37-0 when given a four run lead....thats at least one game better than cliff lees record in that situation
A lot of cheers when Aviles went yard. Sleazeball pink hat rockin Bawwwston people in the house
Cody Ross reallllly needs to die.
Chad Qualls warming....hide the women and children
erkel is such a loser
play by play dood: seven turnovers and eight fg for philly
doris: brutal
nm
Wrong thread cuz
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2012, 09:13:54 PM
Chad Qualls warming....hide the women and children
Bomb to the first goddamn batter he faced.
Cut this piece of shtein
i have a hunch the oswalt talks include him moving to the pen
which would be nice because they need a set up dude big time
GALVIS!
he cant and wont pitch in the pen....jesus get real....he barely wants to pitch at all he is not ever coming out of the bullpen
If Galvis can turn himself into a .250-.260 hitter, I wouldn't mind letting him take over for Chase when his contract is up. They can get decent 7 hole/8 hole production out of him and spend money elsewhere.
freddie with the cbp special
could be easy for his back to only have to get up for an inning 2-3 times a week, as opposed to needing to labor through 100 pitches every 5 days
im in the same boat with it as i was with thome. the $ is meaningless, its worth a shot, if it happens good, if it dont whatever.
ps where is thome? is this their way of saying its over.
yeah his foot was off the bag wasnt it?
Kept his toe on but Byrd beat it.
lol at the umps gum falling outta his mouth onto Bobby V
Quote@ToddZolecki: Since Charlie Manuel's team meeting May 9, the Phillies are 7-1. Offense is averaging 5.4 runs per game. Pitching staff has a 2.84 ERA.
Fort Bend J and me have been IN since the start
where ya haters be
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2012, 11:01:34 PM@ToddZolecki: Since Charlie Manuel's team meeting May 9, the Phillies are 7-1. Offense is averaging 5.4 runs per game. Pitching staff has a 2.84 ERA.
i just wonder what their record will be on october 20th
lol Ft Bend...
havas you are all alone on the hate train
freddy mvp galvis. hof chooch. gettin it done AAAberry.
LETS DO THIS
Quote from: MDS on May 18, 2012, 11:06:03 PM
havas you are all alone on the hate train
freddy mvp galvis. hof chooch. gettin it done AAAberry.
LETS DO THIS
fighting the south jersey/florida/texas is a full load for sure
Galvis has been really good...
So when Grit comes back - do they play him at 3rd?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
Galvis has been really good...
So when Grit comes back - do they play him at 3rd?
this is a joke right?
if GRIT comes back freddie gets a big thank you and goes to lehigh valley
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2012, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
Galvis has been really good...
So when Grit comes back - do they play him at 3rd?
this is a joke right?
if GRIT comes back freddie gets a big thank you and goes to lehigh valley
Or Grit plays some 1B and Freddie plays 2B.
He doesn't get sent down. No way
yes hes going down...first of all its not a matter of switching positions...when grit and choke come back people gotta lose jobs...not move around
so who is out when grit returns??
lol HOMER j
or how about RATIONAL j
freddy freddy freddy can play anywhere he wants. another hr tonight. mvp votes being tabulated as we speak!
When Grit and Choke return you use Galvin to spot start at 2nd, you use him to give Polanco a day or two at 3rd...PR...but he doesn't get sent down.
im not saying youre wrong...but if im smug i give him full ab's at lv...hes at the point now where he is all in or all out...its not like hes a power hitter where you bring him off bench to drive a ball.....hes GRIT's replacement.....hes not a half way cat
the only way i keep him up if is you plan playing him essentially 5 days a week across the infield, basically splitting time with polanco and giving utley a day per week and a jimmy a day now and then
then next year hes your 3B or maybe even 2B if utley finally retires
also wait and see if hes hitting this adequate in a month. cause two weeks ago he was getting platooned with pete orr.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2012, 02:50:34 AM
im not saying youre wrong...but if im smug i give him full ab's at lv...hes at the point now where he is all in or all out...its not like hes a power hitter where you bring him off bench to drive a ball.....hes GRIT's replacement.....hes not a half way cat
Agreed on the full ABs which is why I would keep him up but use him across the INF like MDS said. One day he plays 3rd while Polanco rests. Then he plays 2B for two days...one to rest Grit and one while Grit plays 1B to spell Choke. Then its time to rest Polanco again.
then he rests after the last game of the world series, then he parties on broad for the parade
i can smell it now i can smell it now
Seriously this dude exists only to attempt to derail all Phillies conversation.
I'm with Phreak...keep him up, use him to keep Polanco and Utley as healthy as possible throughout the year. Even rest Jimmy a time or two. You can def get him 4-5 starts a week doing that. If he can get 20-30 points better with his BA he can be a solid long term replacement for Utley and they can spend big money on a 3rd baseman or OF or Cole or whoever.
Quote from: MDS on May 19, 2012, 03:57:00 AM
then he rests after the last game of the world series, then he parties on broad for the parade
i can smell it now i can smell it now
lololol
I need a good illegal feed for the game...toddy? Hook a brotha up.
i was actually in the process of looking something up
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/123483/1/watch-philadelphia-phillies-vs-boston-red-sox.html
that might or might not work. vipbox.tv also might or might have something. regular season baseball is very sketchy. in the least i plan to insult that fox executive on twitter
whats his twitter handle
danpbell
looks like hes trying to rep his faggy little baseball night in america thing. yea, nothing says baseball like being forced to watch the astros.
I tweeted him.
Got the stream going
did you download that shtein? i dont trust it
Yep...it went through Kaspersky ok.
But I am using the vipbox thing now
Aviles leads off with a HR
yea i got it up on vip, thats how i watched the sixers/bulls game 6 since theres no nbatv at work
thanks fox. $120 for mlb.tv and i cant get all the games.
I'd like to run for congress on the platform of eliminating all blackouts. Vote for me.
Its amazing how many pitchers struggle to make that throw to first...
MAAAyberry on.
When is the last time Pineapple Head had a big hit?
Popout for Vic. He's getting cheaper to re-sign by the day.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2012, 07:26:57 PM
I'd like to run for congress on the platform of eliminating all blackouts. Vote for me.
its the most asinine thing in the world.
what they are doing (regionalizing games) is a fine idea. but the games not on our local market have to be available one way or another. they have 3000 cable channels...they have websites...they have mlb.com. something can be done.
Looks like Joe doesn't have it tonight...
Well look at this way, you're free of Joe Buck and McCarver.
No sir...I am watching it with Buck and Timmy.
Catch the ball, Joe....what a play by Galvis!
Someone needs to punch the fat flag on the cell phone in right field that almost knocked the ball out of Pence's glove.
Repeatedly.
im on mute
mccaver is below wheeler
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2012, 07:44:17 PM
No sir...I am watching it with Buck and Timmy.
Catch the ball, Joe....what a play by Galvis!
I thought you were blacked out? TV of course, not from the post Sixers celebration last night/this morning.
lol
Quote from: MDS on May 19, 2012, 07:50:16 PM
im on mute
mccaver is below wheeler
Wheels analogies/tales/gay giggle > McCarver Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Miracle Mets stories
Quote from: Don Ho on May 19, 2012, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2012, 07:44:17 PM
No sir...I am watching it with Buck and Timmy.
Catch the ball, Joe....what a play by Galvis!
I thought you were blacked out? TV of course, not from the post Sixers celebration last night/this morning.
lol...I am watching on an internet stream
Atta boy Vic....missed a homer by inches
Pineapple's back! farging fence!
Nice first pitch swing you Spaz.
why is gonzalez better in right than pence is?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2012, 07:41:22 PM
Looks like Joe doesn't have it tonight...
Jesus, man. Definitely doesn't have it...back to back bombs
Quote from: MDS on May 19, 2012, 08:12:13 PM
why is gonzalez better in right than pence is?
One is cool, calm and collect the other needs ritalin.
Getting kind of ridiculous now.
Like I said - it amazes me how many pitchers cannot makes that play
Three homers allowed and two errors. Good job, Jojo.
there goes blantons cy young
Hector Luna, MVP
Still wanna send him to Lehigh?!?
Galvis!!
The REAL MVP!!!!
who the farg is matt kemp
FREDDY FREDDY FREDDY
Galvis gettin' his groove on.
Fatty's errors gonna bite them in the ass? Bullpen? Stay tuned sports fans.
why did manuel keep him in the game
they had lester on the ropes, blanton has nothing tonight and the middle of the order is up
when i say hes a terrible manager this is what i mean
Ok, get him out of there.
Feel like I'm watching Schwimer again.
Goddamn sonofabitch
You leave him in and hope he gives you one farging clean inning to save the pen
lol you love charlie
if you had the pitchers spot up next inning it makes sense to try to get him through 1 more. but they let him hit which is just asinine stupidity.
Chuck don't trust that mess of a pen Smugly gave him.
it has nothing to do with that
they had just ripped lester for 3 hits in a row or whatever. unless you got lee or halladay you keep the rally going at that point in the game. there is no difference between raul valdes and joe blanton seeing ortiz/pedroia for the 3rd time.
you have to be the only one who is defending charlie here.
I'm just saying its evidence he doesn't trust the zesty bullpen
farg YOU Pence!
Thanks for the DP, Spazzoid.
All we need now is for him to make an error in right.
empty stat pence
when you need solo homers and singles with no one on, hes your man.
I want a goddamn root beer Italian water ice.
Todd...invest in a water ice shop with me down here. You too Don. We'd make a farging killing
Well I'll be damned...they have Ritas Water Ice places down here. One about 20 miles from my house. I'm going.
investment canceled
gajajaja chinga el senor de loco con las tequillas vicente padilla entrar en la paritdo de beisbol
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2012, 09:02:35 PM
I want a goddamn root beer Italian water ice.
Todd...invest in a water ice shop with me down here. You too Don. We'd make a farging killing
Shaved Ice/Snow Cones/Italian Ice I'm in:
(http://flixchatter.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/five-o_kamekona.jpg?w=500&h=313)
My boy Crazy Vicente is on! We shall celebrate by getting drunk on tequila and getting a nice glossy sheen of liquor sweat going on
Senor Sweat could use an Italian Ice about now. 1/3 of an inning and he's already lost 10 lbs. of alcohol.
lol j's love affair with vincente cracks me up
Oh farg, here comes spaz boy.
Winner already, he didn't swing at the first pitch.
Empty stats! :-D
farg! What a catch. Dammit.
well thats some bad ass luck right there
Here comes Mr. Pop Up.
is freddie galvis the real deal?
SAFE!
Let's go AAA
C'mon Pineapple!
YOU fargING STUOID IDIOT!
What is with this goddamned team and the farging first pitch swinging. Eat shtein iceholes!
what a farging moron
farging dumb farg!!
I'm gonna be pissed for awhile. Such bullshtein.
Now we get Fidel Castro out there.
its been 6 years of that kind of stuff
you get what you get with victorino
LOL at Oswalt dictating where he wants to play.
Quote from: MDS on May 19, 2012, 10:18:52 PM
its been 6 years of that kind of stuff
you get what you get with victorino
He's this years Lidge, thanks for 2008. Vic thanks for the grand slam against CC, the HR at Dodger Stadium, the first two RBI of WS game 5. Now get the farg out of here.
this thing had all the makng of another Red Sox meltdown but 6, 7, 8 inning brain farts.
tough one
get em tomorrow, win a few more, win the world series. simple.
im trying to figure out the last time i hated a phillie more than ty wiggington
oh wait its coming back to me......lance nix
Victorino has been awful from the left side of the plate....time to just give up the switch hitting thing and bat righty.
Why Wigginton and Nix hate?
wiggerton is the textbook definition of a stat humper
hes never played in a meaningful game in his life and has never come through in a meaningful spot. gets all of his hits in pointless times or early in the game when no ones watching. combine that with a complete lack of defensive ability and not enough offensive talent to warrant playing first and you get a career loser like him.
nix...i dont know. was playing ok then he got hurt.
No, rhetorical. Yes it's a serious question. How can you hate them?
they farging are beyond awful and not phillies....nix never had a major league deal in his life then all of a sudden gets two years from smug?
this shtein makes me so mad
get em both out
They're not awful though. Blame The Smuggest Guy In The Room for signing them
lol you are such a homer
how is wiggerton now awful. he is the exact type of player they used to sign in 1997
He will be fine once Choke and Grit are back. A role player
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
He will be fine once Choke and Grit are back.
everything will be fine then.....remember the last two years?
let me figure out J's take here if i can
everyone is awesome except amaro, who sucks. but amaro signed all the players who are good, even though he sucks.
its a vortex of homerism and misplaced hatred
close but no.
is it "just wait until utley and howard get back"
Am I from farging south jersey?
just tonight you went out of your way to defend wiggerton, nix, freddy, charlie, utley and howard
i know you aint from katy...
People in Katy like minivans and soccer.
Slow your roll on defending...saying they're good role players ain't exactly punching hof ballots
yea and damn good football. if there is ever a little J you best get him to katy high. not katy cinco ranch. katy high. trust me.
and the phillies seem to have a lot of role players.
Oh yeah - I know all about those 5a programs over there. Serious football there buddy.
Quote"I would swing at that every single time," Victorino said. "He just beat me."
A six-game winning streak and chance to escape last place was skunked by a 7-5 loss to Boston. Joe Blanton was undoubtedly at fault, but so too was an offense that stranded 11 runners and hit 2 for 12 with men in scoring position.
Victorino's at-bat in the eighth inning of a two-run game was the signature moment. Aceves, the Boston closer, walked John Mayberry Jr. on four pitches after Rollins' run-scoring infield single. Victorino hacked at the first offering - a 94 m.p.h. fastball over the heart of the plate - and popped out. Rollins, the tying run, never made it past second base.
"I went up there looking for a cutter," Victorino said. ". . . I got the pitch I wanted and he just beat me. I tip my hat. He got me. It is what it is. I'm not going to sit here and question what I did."
Charlie Manuel said Victorino, who had three hits Saturday, was free to swing at a good pitch.
"It's pretty hard for me to put a take on there with the bases loaded," Manuel said. "You know?"
its not the reason they are finished, but its a reason.
jesus christ that lineup is so hatable
there are like 10 players in baseball who legit deserve a green light in every single solitary situation
victorino is what he is and of course he goes up there swinging. charlie being the bumblefarg 3 run homer dumbass that he is doesnt know to tell his ADD retard hitter to wait for a strike.
bad baseball from a bad team
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2012, 02:27:54 AM
Quote"I went up there looking for a cutter," Victorino said. ". . . I got the pitch I wanted and he just beat me. I tip my hat. He got me. It is what it is. I'm not going to sit here and question what I did."
its not the reason they are finished, but its a reason.
It's time to start questioning what you do up at the plate you moron. I don't give a shtein that he had 3 hits today, they had Aceves on the ropes and coconut brain swings at the first pitch. Go back to guest appearances on 5-0.
everything doesnt revolve around hawaii
Was it the 5-0 reference or the coconut? I always think about your post from awhile back when I have WIP on and they play those stupid clips from CBS. I heard it tonight while at the gym, the one for 5-0 is by far the worst.
you are a whore
Yea, I know. I'm not proud of it. Got to feed the family.
everybody gotta eat
Cholly pulling Orr back and letting Fat Joe pitch the fifth cost them that game. He's a retard.
Quote from: Rome on May 20, 2012, 07:21:41 AM
Cholly pulling Orr back and letting Fat Joe pitch the fifth cost them that game.
I think about half of the Phillies fans watching the game knew at the time that decision would cost them. Heavy B had nothing. And lol at him jawing at the ump. Yeah it was the ump who gave up four homers.
Whatever, they were due for a loss, and the hitting is still alive. I'll save the rage for when the bats go silent again.
Quote from: Rome on May 20, 2012, 07:21:41 AM
Cholly pulling Orr back and letting Fat Joe pitch the fifth cost them that game. He's a retard.
hitting instructors should not be managers
anyone else still mulling over the absurdity of victorinos at bat last night
good start phifer
headline on phillies.com:
"phillies great pat burrell throws out ceremonial first pitch"
Quote from: Rome on May 20, 2012, 07:21:41 AM
Cholly pulling Orr back and letting Fat Joe pitch the fifth cost them that game. He's a retard.
but but but the bullpen is bad. charlie is so smart. and joe is good!
-Houston
could phifer end up with zero wins this season?
explain to me how him not winning the houston game this week was a reflection him
its a reflection on the team wins are a team stat please please please believe this
*cue PG eyeroll when Todd starts his wins are useless crusade*
Next pitch Aviles sees needs to be in his ribs. Knock him down.
im not commenting on him or hows hes pitched at all...just saying zero wins is zero wins...pretty amazing what 25 mil a year gets you
ill wait until someone explains how cliff lee pitching 8 terrific inning then watching qualls blow the game reflects poorly on him. then john lester gives up 4 runs yesterday and gets the "win."
im just looking for some logic here. cause i dont see it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2012, 02:14:22 PM
im not commenting on him or hows hes pitched at all...just saying zero wins is zero wins...pretty amazing what 25 mil a year gets you
no it isnt. hes pitched great in every game this season, save for probably the mets one. if he continues this trend and never gets a win then hes just insanely unlucky. and only elders who are stuck in their 1980s ways will care.
Has anyone else noticed the dude wearing the Chelsea jersey behind home plate?
I'm pretty sure it's Sunny.
SMUG
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2012, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2012, 02:14:22 PM
im not commenting on him or hows hes pitched at all...just saying zero wins is zero wins...pretty amazing what 25 mil a year gets you
no it isnt. hes pitched great in every game this season, save for probably the mets one. if he continues this trend and never gets a win then hes just insanely unlucky. and only elders who are stuck in their 1980s ways will care.
serious question
if he had zero wins the year before he signed you think he would have gotten 125 milion?
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2012, 02:16:14 PM
hes pitched great in every game this season,
every?
That was a bomb.
how great is it that smug is in the booth for this inning
He left a couple up...
Ya think?
Is it a national game? I've got the Phil's broadcast on.
I'm disappointed in the lack of chicken and beer signs in the crowd.
Soooo...do they have some comeback in them?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
Is it a national game? I've got the Phil's broadcast on.
I'm disappointed in the lack of chicken and beer signs in the crowd.
Soooo...do they have some comeback in them?
tbs....best hd picture on tv
Agreed...I'm on it now.
Wow, nice call IGY.
It's actually shocking how good the picture is and how much better it is than Fox's yesterday.
ive been saying this since they got baseball a couple years ago....how can theres be so much better than everyone elses....im not a tech nerd so i cant answer that but id love someone to school me on it
all freddy galvis does is hit
yea it really is the best and its unclear why
ted turner ftw
Crasnick says they're monitoring (Indians are too) Youkilis' rehab.
Do NOT want.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2012, 02:31:13 PM
Crasnick says they're monitoring (Indians are too) Youkilis' rehab.
Do NOT want.
agreed....dook is cooked imo....if its just blanton i wouldnt go crazy or anything but hes not a guy that will change your ineup...and they better not give up even a semi decent prospect for him
speaking of cooked....come on jimmy
what happens if his bubby makes you so some matzoh ball soup
lol at jimmy getting booed....he deserves it but its amazing the double standard that is applied to the blacks on the phillies
as a house boy his isnt as bad as field negro choke
Time for my boy Jimmy to pick his game up. Hitting .205 over the last 10gms.
Lee has the hardest hit ball all day.
Nothing pisses me off more than not getting runs home from third with less than two outs.
choke has that huge charicature negro nose and also stole one of our women.....he def is enemy number one
the irony is too delicious tho...beloved pat burrell gets a massive ovation this weekend and jimmy gets booed
keep in mind people like hawk see him and get hard thinking about how good he would be working on a plow
yeah good call by the color guy...first thing i thought of when i aw him go was why?
who is the color guy btw....ive heard him many times but cant gather his name in my head
Should be 5-3...two screamers at Ortiz...farg!!
Sounds like Bob Brenly, igy.
yeah it really does but its not him
it might be eck?
its eck
p.s. look at wiggertons split stats http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6930/situational;_ylt=AjZ2R2WYaup9Du3b13iocmuFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting
what a joke of human being
how did that pudgy farg ever play second base
its amazing how historically bad he is with risp, bases loaded, runners on, etc. basically every situation besides "none on" he sucks in.
ps i could use a beckett cg here. and some more ks.
stephen strasburg is now hitting at a higher rate than any phillie regular and is tied in home runs with mAAAberry and jimmy
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2012, 03:17:15 PM
ps i could use a beckett cg here. and some more ks.
70 pitches thru six could certainly get it done....btw hes thrown 40 less pitches than phifer....per usual smart at bats by the phils lineup
after all the lucky hits they got yesterday, there was no doubt they were getting shutout today
Cliff Lee pitching is the Phils offensive kryptonite.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120520_Easing_the_pain__or_worsening_it.html?viewAll=y
Jesus - this is pretty damning evidence that the Phils farged Howard up. No wonder why Ruben is pissier than usual lately
i tore my rotator cuff last year and refuse to get a cortisone shot for it...they are bad news all around
I never knew how bad they were. After my ankle surgery last year I had an inflamed bursa and they shot me up.
no tequilla for vicente today
hes as dry as mama havas' _____
they can score some runs against this guy....right?
wiggerton isnt getting a hit here
Slam coming up
P
O
S
And by slam i meant a weak grounder to second.
farging bum
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2012, 04:05:29 PM
Slam coming up
lol
all the statistical evidence and logic in the world told you he was going to do exactly what he did
some players are just meant to play for the mariners
Wigginton has been awful, yes. This month he's hitting like .122...should have PH Ruiz
Qualls about to have a 1-2-3 because there's no pressue
its not just this month
i linked his career split stats. his career numbers in key spots are an atrocity. hes someone who has never been able to hit with risp, ever. even he was on the orioles and they were 1000 games out of first.
hes a pathetic pointless player.
i though he and laynce were the heart and soul of this team
i can understand getting mad at roob for giving nix 2 years but for him as a player the jury is still out. im not optimistic but he might be a good platoon option at worst.
wiggerton on the other hand should be DFAed. he serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever. he cant run, he cant field, he can only hit with the bases empty and even then hes a .260 hitter. farg him.
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
i can understand getting mad at roob for giving nix 2 years but for him as a player the jury is still out.
no its really not....hes a thousand years old and has never been able to get a major league contract...hes a minor league player
is the jury still out on mAAAyberry?....laynce nix is three years older
nl east today
4-1
well i never looked at his career stats...and yes hes awful. alright, im there. they both can die in a fire.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2012, 04:25:03 PM
nl east today
4-1
MDS will be around shortly to mock you for scoreboard watching in May.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 20, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2012, 04:25:03 PM
nl east today
4-1
MDS will be around shortly to mock you for scoreboard watching in May.
right after he gives a speech on the unimportance of wins
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 20, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2012, 04:25:03 PM
nl east today
4-1
MDS will be around shortly to mock you for scoreboard watching in May.
right after he gives a speech on the unimportance of wins
For a change Cliff Lee finally earned a non-win today.
i hate this place
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2012, 04:16:23 PM
i though he and laynce were the heart and soul of this team
role players definitely equals heart and soul
next 20 games are against winning teams.
They have to take 2/3 from the Washington Havases
havas'
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2012, 04:35:43 PM
They have to take 2/3 from the Washington Havases
luckily no stras
gio - kendrick
non racist zimm - sweat box roy
edwin jack - heidi
Loss
Win
Win
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 20, 2012, 05:01:38 PM
Loss
Win
Win
20 bucks for you if that happens five bucks for me if it doesnt?
loss
win
toss-up
they have no shot tomorrow.
They asked Bryce Harper about possible fan reaction in Philly and he said something to the effect of "I'll probably have a few batteries tossed at me".
I know he's a douche but holy hell he's making it hard for me to hate on him. Even the way he handled getting pegged by Cole was gangsta.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/05/weve-obtained-pictures-of-pat-burrell-day-drinking-and-grabbing-a-girls-breast-in-northern-liberties.html
lol
PS - he's a non-tipper. Cheapskate!
haha he's my new hero. Isn't he married too?
Oh yeah, he's ready.
(http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ryan-howard.jpg?w=320)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2012, 01:00:08 PM
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/05/weve-obtained-pictures-of-pat-burrell-day-drinking-and-grabbing-a-girls-breast-in-northern-liberties.html
lol
PS - he's a non-tipper. Cheapskate!
Speaking of The Bat, if I'm not mistaken FOX didn't mention a word about the Phils honoring him on Saturday. Did bow tie man or Buck & Co. acknowledge it?
Quote from: Don Ho on May 21, 2012, 02:34:50 PM
Oh yeah, he's ready.
(http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ryan-howard.jpg?w=320)
Whoever took that pic was probably dragged into a dank basement and beaten with a rubber hose.
Not sure if Buck and McCarver mentioned it...I think they made a small comment
i have no clue how anyone lasted through that game with the sound on
buck is awful but nothing can compare to mccarver.
Gio, 2 innings, 5 K's. This will not be pretty.
I see the left of base party is continuing tonight.
Get a hit with runners on, cocks.
its mostly hunter pence
he has no idea how to hit with risp. great trade amaro.
Awful base running by Polanco
Pence hit that one hard. Bad luck.
Jesus!!
Two hard hit balls and they won't get shtein out of it.
Goddamn
Ballgame. Another inning of not farging scoring!
2nd and 3rd with no outs.
Zero motherfarging runs.
i hope you all appreciate choke now
You're right about Pence, farging empty stats. Do something with people on base you tweeking spaz.
Not a bad night at all for Kendrick and Valdes looked real good. AAA, Galvis and Frenchy due up.
What the farg Mayberry? He had plenty of time to score!
Mayberry has replaced Victorino as the dumbest player on this team. Hoyda.
They could really use a walk off win here, anything to get a spark
farging dumb asses is what they are.
They've sucked the anger out of me. Good job, bums.
Gio vs Kendrick.....there was zero chance they were winning. They'll get the next two
Down goes Roy BlowTheGame's trade value
Roy Hallafreedayfortheoffense
Roy Suckaday
I love this team. Absolutely farging LOVE them.
Halladay is turning into Jon Lieber
Hunter Pence is cleaning up those runners on base at a 1-21 clip since May 11th. His K at the ball in the farging LH batters box was embarrassing.
Ruiz gets ejected by a power hungry umpire.
The best thing was His Smugness was in the booth while Lieber was getting lit.
halladay getting 20 mil next year is going to be boss
almost makes chokes 25 and lees 20 look good. almost.
Quote@DavidHaleTNJ: #Phillies have had 79 runners at 3rd w/ less than 2 out this year. They've scored 29 of them (37%), worst in majors. MLB average is 50%.
every juan pierre at bat is the same
he looks at 2 pitches down the middle of the plate, then flails at ball 1 or 2 and sometimes it happens to find the right spot in the infield or edge of the outfield.
as a frame of reference, they won 5 nl east titles in a row and we are now discussing juan pierre at bats. this is why they suck. and arent getting any better.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 21, 2012, 10:50:44 PM
Gio vs Kendrick.....there was zero chance they were winning. They'll get the next two
mines better
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2012, 08:55:16 PM
here are your predictions. my man easy started things off fresh
easy = world series
sarge = after their last game
sunny = nlcs
igy = lol
homer j = world series
farging donho = nlcs
rome = world series
geo the mormon = nlds
mds = nlds*
1st and 3rd with two out
Pop out coming up
I was so close...strikeout. More runners stranded.
J are you madder:
1. now
2. last yr when they lost
3. after a mid july loss in 1998
2.
1.
3.
This is farging maddening. I hate sloppy fundamentals and not doing the little things.
1 and 3 are the same thing
Win six in a row and then lose four.
Sorry ass bums.
Quote from: MDS on May 22, 2012, 08:35:31 PM
mines better
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2012, 08:55:16 PM
here are your predictions. my man easy started things off fresh
easy = world series
sarge = after their last game
sunny = nlcs
igy = lol
homer j = world series
farging donho = nlcs
rome = world series
geo the mormon = nlds
mds = nlds*
Weren't you told to destroy this?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 22, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
Quote@DavidHaleTNJ: #Phillies have had 79 runners at 3rd w/ less than 2 out this year. They've scored 29 of them (37%), worst in majors. MLB average is 50%.
Lowest in MLB history since the Warren G. Harding administration. What a disgrace.
Don't worry, we got:
Doc
Philbert
Choke
Grit
i just hope they completely fall off the map so they can be big time sellers this summer...staying semi close and giving smug a false sense of how good they are would be horrible
i got my eyes on the dodgers and their boatload of young talent. dee gordon please.
may i remind people the phillies have exactly 0 prospects to get excited about in lehigh now. there are a few in reading to keep an eye on but otherwise its a disgrace.
Quote from: MDS on May 22, 2012, 11:27:58 PM
i got my eyes on the dodgers and their boatload of young talent. dee gordon please.
may i remind people the phillies have exactly 0 prospects to get excited about in lehigh now. there are a few in reading to keep an eye on but otherwise its a disgrace.
[sunmo]Dom Brown![/sunmo]
domonic brown lol meter
0----5----10
here
101 at bats--7 walks, 23 ks, 3 steals, 0 homers, .248 avg, .291 obp, .647 ops
Chooch batting clean up tonight.
Quote from: MDS on May 22, 2012, 11:53:33 PM
domonic brown lol meter
0----5----10
here
101 at bats--7 walks, 23 ks, 3 steals, 0 homers, .248 avg, .291 obp, .647 ops
10++++
Zero home runs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 22, 2012, 08:55:26 PM
2.
1.
3.
This is farging maddening. I hate sloppy fundamentals and not doing the little things.
I hate succotash.
how scary is it that bryce harper is 19
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2012, 07:27:05 PM
how scary is it that bryce harper is 19
Hopefully he'll blow both knees out soon.
id prefer he just die so we dont have to worry about a comeback of any kind ill take a wendall davis
I'll take a Bump Bailey.
heidis pitch count is too high but otherwise hed be looking a no hitter straight in the eye
Nice throw by Spazzy and a good block by Ruiz
Ruiz batting cleanup.
Lead off double and stranded at third lololol
whats funny is that when heidi wins it kills them because his number keeps going up (no that they are gonna sign him) while the teams win total also does (they need to suck as much as possible) its like even when they win this year they lose in a huge way
theres not gonna be a whole lot to look at for the next four or five years with this team but freddy galvis is one of them....man is he good in the field
That play by Galvis was beautiful.
better he pitches, more they can trade him for in july
and thank you dumb farg manuel for finally squeezing 2 months into a season with singles hitters.
Quote from: MDS on May 23, 2012, 09:17:39 PM
better he pitches, more they can trade him for in july
theres like four phillie fans in the world who think they arent gonna resign him
if they trade doc at the deadline, then they can resign hamels
that actually wouldnt be terrible
maybe tampa takes a shot...he would go there in a second and god damnit do they have young talent
They better re-sign him.
I was listening to Sirius today and some greaseball NYer called in and was asking about what players they could get from the Phils. It made me even madder to hear people talk about them being sellers. Do not want. I can't take a firesale.
Quote from: MDS on May 23, 2012, 09:24:36 PM
if they trade doc at the deadline, then they can resign hamels
that actually wouldnt be terrible
maybe tampa takes a shot...he would go there in a second and god damnit do they have young talent
yea that what i said a few weeks ago...resigning heidi is acceptable is you move phifer or halladay....otherwise he needs to go and start the restock of the shelves
lol at Hrod
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2012, 09:26:01 PM
I can't take a firesale.
why? it would be the best thing for them. if they can trade off their old, decaying parts and get major league ready talent, it would be unreal.
then theyd have loads of money to spend in the offseason to get your boy hamilton. cause right now they are old, slow and have no wiggle room.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2012, 09:26:01 PM
They better re-sign him.
I was listening to Sirius today and some greaseball NYer called in and was asking about what players they could get from the Phils. It made me even madder to hear people talk about them being sellers. Do not want. I can't take a firesale.
the sooner you realize its over for the team as we know it the better off youll be....they got their world series...time to move on...really you should be glad they even got last year....what is happening now easily could have happened last season....however they had their one last chance...time to blow it up and re gather the organization
But I don't agree with dealing any of the pitchers.
Deal Vic or Pence, I'm ok with that.
so you want keep overpaid 33 and 35 year old pitchers but trade cheap offense on a team that cant score runs?
again you must come to the realization this roster is not winning anything in the next 4-5 years......its time to move on
I don't care about their age. I want the pitching kept and use $$$ to beef the O for next yr
you cant spend 85 mil on four pitchers and have money to improve the offense
and thats not even mentioning that every year we move forward these pitchers games are deterioriating
so they arent just expensive they are getting worse
Hamels is going to be resigned. Rube has proven that he loves pitching enough to pay for it.
I don't know...I'm not down with trading any of the top two guys.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2012, 09:53:30 PM
I don't know...I'm not down with trading any of the top two guys.
thats cool....just know you are delaying their resurgence by years and you are going to be that much more miserable in the next couple years when its halladay and lee sucking and not some guys you full expect to and dont care if they stink
when is lolmonic brown coming up to save the day?
Quote from: MDS on May 23, 2012, 10:03:37 PM
when is lolmonic brown coming up to save the day?
im goin up to qtown for the holiday weekend....ill return with my report on monday
give me a report on tug hulett, too. he is currently hitting 50 points higher than dom.
Quote from: MDS on May 23, 2012, 10:03:37 PM
when is lolmonic brown coming up to save the day?
Right after Thome returns from the DL.
is thome - chuckles the most agregious case of nepotism ever?
They gave Babe Ruth Jr a top 10 play on ESPN because of that?
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2012, 11:19:31 PM
is thome - chuckles the most agregious case of nepotism ever?
if they follow through on this supposed plan to get him back so he can dh in interleague...yes
though it will be funny to see him go 0 for 4 with 4 ks in 9 straight games
Bobble Head Fail.
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joe blanton is farging fat
fargin Mr. Empty Stats strikes again.
7 runs aren't going to be enough to protect Fatty.
Jimmy The Pimp
Beautiful play!!
Fatty's trade value is dropping faster than facebooks.
Oh Jesus farging Christ! 6 run lead gone.
farg your farging self, Blanton.
Why the curtain call for Molina? Crowd wasn't going that wild. 5th inning home run in mid May? OK.
Allow me J,
BOO!
Quote from: Don Ho on May 24, 2012, 10:16:18 PM
Allow me J,
BOO!
I'm going to rent a farging plane and have a banner towed behind it that says BOOOOOOOOOOO while flying over CBP
bad teams blow 2 different 6-0 leads in less than a month
when will you people accept this
When we see Qualls take the mound it puts it all in perspective.
A streaker on the field...i didn't know the MA crowd did those things
2 innings for lolls?
lol
You knew this icehole couldn't get out of here unscathed.
Get this loser out of there.
Qualls...he is farging AWFUL
i am putting their chances at winning this at 0%
either they are blowing up in the 8th or papelboner is finally blowing a save. one way or another it aint happening tonight. its just one of those games. on top of that they arent good.
Wigginton? Damn.
farging Galvis.
They hit and then they cannot pitch
They pitch and then they cannot hit
COME ON!
tony is gonna get this dude
then holliday is hitting a 3 run bomb off truck
Quote from: MDS on May 24, 2012, 10:58:23 PM
i am putting their chances at winning this at 0%
either they are blowing up in the 8th or papelboner is finally blowing a save. one way or another it aint happening tonight. its just one of those games. on top of that they arent good.
This
Qualls, Bast ardo & Senor :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
that break on tony's pitch was nasty
also nice to mlb network's broadcast
costas and verducci are talking about the game and the sport and arent overloading you with obvious condescending remarks like wheeler and mccaver do.
I was just going to ask who was in the booth with Costas. This is a nice change.
18 hits. Don't blow this thing.
papelfunhole is unbeatable
back to 500 and back to the world series!
some people are speculating that with Dom Brown playing center last night in AAA and charlie's comments the other day that the philllies might be considering putting Utley in LF when he comes back and keeping Galvis at 2b.
not sure how i feel about that. i don't know if playing on grass instead of dirt would help Utley's knees or not and i'm not sure making him run a lot farther would be good for him but farging Galvis is great a 2b and with him coming around offensively i'm not sure you can afford to sit him.
i thought maybe put utley at 1b because he sounds closer than Howard but LF might be a better long term solution, idk.
Not sure I like that either. He'd certainly use his knee more running for fly balls.
I'd keep Galvis up and rotate him between 3B-2B-SS to give those guys breaks. On days when Polanco and Jimmy play you put Utley at 1B and let Choke sit.
someone on another board made a good point that even though he'll have to cover more ground on plays out there it's still better than all the plays a 2b makes that aren't hit to him. covering steals, turning dp, backing up 1st or 2nd, rotating on bunts, stuff like that
nothing can help GRIT's knees....not even his massive GRIT...its a degenerative disease...he is what he is
yup
though i agree one way or another galvis needs to stick. as long as he keeps hitting in the .260 or .270 range, with his defense, you cant take him out of the lineup.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 25, 2012, 01:17:29 PM
nothing can help GRIT's knees....not even his massive GRIT...its a degenerative disease...he is what he is
Maybe the problem is that his knees are too gritty.
Can we agree never to post the word GRIT again?
Thanks.
That's like asking Christians to stop saying Jesus.
TMac is such a funhole. Nice trying to say that Lee and Victorino weren't talking shtein to each other when they clearly were.
Philbert looks like he's about to have cardiac arrest after running the base paths.
if we rightfully eliminated wins as a stat lee wouldnt be such a grumpy gus
keep them in the standings. the bible says so.
That Chooch guy is pretty damn good...
Goddamn I love Galvis and Ruiz...beautiful play
Chooch is a farging beast.
Catcher love right there. Molina rocked him but Chooch shtein, that was awesome. What a throw by Galvis.
so about that utley playing lf thing...
Valdes with some nasty shtein! Way to get out of trouble.
Hunter Pence does something useful for the first time in forever
farg ME! My farging feed locks just as Pierre gets his hit. Comes back on and Chooch is batting. farg you Time Warner!
Bullpen Power!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 25, 2012, 09:59:46 PM
TMac is such a funhole. Nice trying to say that Lee and Victorino weren't talking shtein to each other when they clearly were.
I missed most of that incident and play as I was trying to watch on the iphone in the car. Just saw the replay now. Why would Lee be pissed at Victorino (other than the obvious)? Victorino was screaming at Pence and pointing to where the ball was. His throw was perfect to third to gun down Molina. Unless Lee said something about Pence that triggered Pineapple.
no joke that was a legit good win against a good team
cant wait to see what kendrick has in store tomorrow. im sure theyll do awesome against the valley's own jaime garcia. farg you.
Oh farg, that's right, Kendrick. Sleep well my friends.
Quote"I had a two-run lead that I let slip away and some of that is my fault," Lee said.
thinly veiled shot at ty wiggerton's terrible defense at 1st. then he gets into a fight with victorino.
well maybe you shouldnt blow 4 run leads in the playoffs or 2 run leads tonight you arkansas farg. chew some more gum and you loser.
Great, I was hoping Joe Buck and McCarver were doing the Red Sox game.
94 degrees in St. Louis. Doc's face is already red thinking about tomorrow.
Kendrick throwing well...
hes actually been a pretty good starter when he gets a chance to just be a starter
when he gets jerked around from spot duty to long man to starter he does what he does
A three run inning going on now...4-0 now
Freddy leads rookies with 23rbi
kendrick at just 46 pitches, too
well chad qualls was unavailable last night, so whats one more off night?
Kendrick has like 68 pitches through 7...50 strikes
Yea Tim I'm sure Kendrick would rather be playing qb at wash st than pitching in the majors.
earlier he said the phillies were in the american league
Hell of a game by Kendrick tonight.
Too bad he can't shoot 3's.
watching mediocre baseball = only thing to look forward to sports wise the next 3 months is awesome
speaking of mediocre, halladay is pitching tomorrow
was tellin sunny tonight that out of nowhere the eagles are by far the cities best chance for a title...if they only had a quarterback
Quote from: MDS on May 26, 2012, 09:33:02 PM
earlier he said the phillies were in the american league
He was his usual brutal self. I tried to listen to the radio broadcast on MLB.com but the 25 second delay was killing me.
Guess it was a good thing I wasn't home (wouldn't have mattered since I got the Rays-Sawx) and had to listen to the entire thing on the radio feed.
Still got stuck with Wheeler, though - is LA on a bender or something?
Nothing to do but drink and watch the Phils today with Subtropical (lolz) Storm Beryl, um, bearing(!) down on us.
PS: Brooms!
I'm a weather nerd and I still don't understand what the "subtropical" thing is supposed to mean....just that it didn't form over tropical waters?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 27, 2012, 09:20:29 AM
Guess it was a good thing I wasn't home (wouldn't have mattered since I got the Rays-Sawx) and had to listen to the entire thing on the radio feed.
Still got stuck with Wheeler, though - is LA on a bender or something?
when they have national games they rotate days off for everyone. you just got unlucky that you had to sit through nine innings of that murderer.
Roy Doneaday
so roy looks good
It's amazing how bad he's getting lit.
Let's see if these fools have some fight in them
Lolladay strikes again
lets just get this tj thing over with already
Stick a fork in Doc...he's done. Once your velocity drops there's really no coming back.
Quote from: SD on May 27, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
Stick a fork in Doc...he's done. Once your velocity drops there's really no coming back.
Velocity's down all over the MLB this season, but yeah Doc looks not so good.
On the bright side, that's another 20 mil free for the 2014 season. They're only gonna spend this year and next teetering on mediocrity before having a ton of cash to spend and contend again. Utley and Halladay both come off the books after 2013, and there's an 11 million raise in the luxury tax. Sign Hamels, sign Vic, sign but don't overspend on Pence, and bring in a premier 3B or OF in 2014.
Quote from: Munson on May 27, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
Quote from: SD on May 27, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
Stick a fork in Doc...he's done. Once your velocity drops there's really no coming back.
Velocity's down all over the MLB this season, but yeah Doc looks not so good.
On the bright side, that's another 20 mil free for the 2014 season. They're only gonna spend this year and next teetering on mediocrity before having a ton of cash to spend and contend again. Utley and Halladay both come off the books after 2013, and there's an 11 million raise in the luxury tax. Sign Hamels, sign Vic, sign but don't overspend on Pence, and bring in a premier 3B or OF in 2014.
that's assuming revenue generated remains the same if the team continues to tail off
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 27, 2012, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 27, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
Quote from: SD on May 27, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
Stick a fork in Doc...he's done. Once your velocity drops there's really no coming back.
Velocity's down all over the MLB this season, but yeah Doc looks not so good.
On the bright side, that's another 20 mil free for the 2014 season. They're only gonna spend this year and next teetering on mediocrity before having a ton of cash to spend and contend again. Utley and Halladay both come off the books after 2013, and there's an 11 million raise in the luxury tax. Sign Hamels, sign Vic, sign but don't overspend on Pence, and bring in a premier 3B or OF in 2014.
that's assuming revenue generated remains the same if the team continues to tail off
Luckily the NL blows so even with a broken down Roy they should still be in the playoff race up until the end...next year's gonna be the slightly zesty year, especially if they don't resign Hamels. Maybe having Ryan Howard a year+ over the achillies will help them stay afloat in 2013.
remember two months ago when i said they should trade halladay
yup
Wow, early meltdown this time for Doc. Heat exhaustion usually kicks in around fifth inning.
Done after 2 innings. yea
So is he done for the year or are we gonna get "arm fatigue"?
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 27, 2012, 02:52:11 PM
Done after 2 innings. yea
At this point you have to start to wonder if he has a problem with heat exhaustion.
Munson may be too young to remember those heady days of the late-1980s and 1990s, when Gregg Jefferies was the big FA signing of any particular season. In the next season or two we may find out whether the ownership has really changed its M.O. or if they'll retreat to their "we're a small market" mentality.
Halladay was stellar the first few starts, and mediocre-to-bad in the last few. The one thing positive that I cling to is that, mostly, it's been one bad inning in many of those starts.
Getting older and losing velocity happens to all pitchers, especially now that they can't chemically enhance their deteriorating skills quite as easily. Some pitchers learn to adapt, others don't. The one thing that Halladay has is a cerebral method of pitching that may be able to find a way to adapt to a diminishing fastball.
doc's replacements: dave bush or scott elarton
yes.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 27, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
Munson may be too young to remember those heady days of the late-1980s and 1990s, when Gregg Jefferies was the big FA signing of any particular season. In the next season or two we may find out whether the ownership has really changed its M.O. or if they'll retreat to their "we're a small market" mentality.
Halladay was stellar the first few starts, and mediocre-to-bad in the last few. The one thing positive that I cling to is that, mostly, it's been one bad inning in many of those starts.
Getting older and losing velocity happens to all pitchers, especially now that they can't chemically enhance their deteriorating skills quite as easily. Some pitchers learn to adapt, others don't. The one thing that Halladay has is a cerebral method of pitching that may be able to find a way to adapt to a diminishing fastball.
No I definitely remember some of those days...I would say my earliest real memory was the Schilling trade that brought Crazy Vicente and Omar Daal (And Travis Lee??). I vaguely remember the 93 season but only because I loved Kruk and Dykstra.
I'm just hoping now that they've taken the steps they've taken to spend money the last few years, it means they're here to stay and here to compete year in and year out. I know everyone (IGY) hates the "south jersey fans" but as long as CBP stays the "hip" place to be and continues to sell, that's more money for the franchise to spend.
Quote from: SD on May 27, 2012, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 27, 2012, 02:52:11 PM
Done after 2 innings. yea
At this point you have to start to wonder if he has a problem with heat exhaustion.
He must really be looking forward to the cool, crisp months of June, July and August.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 27, 2012, 03:03:11 PM
Quote from: SD on May 27, 2012, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 27, 2012, 02:52:11 PM
Done after 2 innings. yea
At this point you have to start to wonder if he has a problem with heat exhaustion.
He must really be looking forward to the cool, crisp months of June, July and August.
Don't worry, those mid-Atlantic summers are a dry heat. I swear.
Quote from: Munson on May 27, 2012, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 27, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
Munson may be too young to remember those heady days of the late-1980s and 1990s, when Gregg Jefferies was the big FA signing of any particular season. In the next season or two we may find out whether the ownership has really changed its M.O. or if they'll retreat to their "we're a small market" mentality.
Halladay was stellar the first few starts, and mediocre-to-bad in the last few. The one thing positive that I cling to is that, mostly, it's been one bad inning in many of those starts.
Getting older and losing velocity happens to all pitchers, especially now that they can't chemically enhance their deteriorating skills quite as easily. Some pitchers learn to adapt, others don't. The one thing that Halladay has is a cerebral method of pitching that may be able to find a way to adapt to a diminishing fastball.
No I definitely remember some of those days...I would say my earliest real memory was the Schilling trade that brought Crazy Vicente and Omar Daal (And Travis Lee??). I vaguely remember the 93 season but only because I loved Kruk and Dykstra.
I'm just hoping now that they've taken the steps they've taken to spend money the last few years, it means they're here to stay and here to compete year in and year out. I know everyone (IGY) hates the "south jersey fans" but as long as CBP stays the "hip" place to be and continues to sell, that's more money for the franchise to spend.
Thanks for making me feel old - I remember '93 real well. It was the year I married and moved to Florida. The earliest major acquisition I remember was Pete Rose back in '79. He's something of a pariah in MLB now, but without him that 1980 team doesn't win the World Series.
You may be right in that they'll spend the money as long as they're making it. Once they got the new park and began to ascend they did become much more willing to part with money. Maybe they just need to quit the nepotism that is RAJ and look for the best GM candidates. I still have too many memories of Omar Daal being the opening day starter and Steve Jeltz being touted as a SS candidate to trust them.
It's gotta be a heat exhaustion thing. He is in shape and works out a lot but he's got to have some sort of problem.
Haha yeah I remember Daal being the "ace" and Vicente....and Bruce Chen.....I'm blanking on a few of the other names but damn they've come a long way.
I can't remember specifics about the 93 season, I just know I loved Kruk and really loved Dykstra, wore #4 in little league because of him. I remember celebrating with my older brother and dad when they won the NLCS, and I remember crying when they lost the WS...but I couldn't really tell you anything specific about either series from memory.
Hmmm... Halladay left the game "as a precaution" because of "right shoulder soreness."
They could be screwed.
Right shoulder soreness...put him on the dl
Stop me if you've heard this before...Chad Qualls gets smoked. 3R bomb by Beltran.
Put Qualls on the first thing smokin' out of this town. GET OUT!
put qualls in the gas chamber
what a joke of a human being
I like MDS' suggestion better. Gas Chamber!
STL fans irk the farg out of me. They want a curtain call for every goddamn homer. Its a 3R HR in the 5th inning of a 4-1 game IN fargING MAY!
QuoteDavid Hale --- If Halladay misses time, #Phillies 4 highest paid players would've all seen DL stints this year. Combined 2012 salary: $76.8 million.
lol get outta there Yaddy...
Flipped to the Texas-Toronto game. Did you know that Kyle Drabek is 4-4 with a 3.27 ERA? :paranoid
Look Ma! Another baserunning blunder!!
Thats TWO in this game.
farging clowns
Stupid Spaz. Heat is getting to everyone.
This may be the dumbest farging team in the bigs. Seriously.
farging idiots.
im watching other games
what exactly happened
Qualls farg OFF
Quote from: MDS on May 27, 2012, 03:59:32 PM
im watching other games
what exactly happened
Ball squirts away from catcher...about three feet. Spazzy McSpazzerson is on 2nd with 0 outs. He tries to go to third and he's out by six farging miles.
Chad Qualls. Another bomb.
lol
can they please dfa qualls and wiggerton
Roy Halladay meet Dr. James Andrews...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 27, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
I like MDS' suggestion better. Gas Chamber!
STL fans irk the farg out of me. They want a curtain call for every goddamn homer. Its a 3R HR in the 5th inning of a 4-1 game IN fargING MAY!
All in on Qualls.
Aren't they the smartest fans in baseball? Still hear a lot of cheering for the standard pop up right to the Center Fielder.
theres a first time for everything:
ty wiggerton just got a hit with risp
Did Wheels say it feels like the Phillies should be up 8-0 after that home run by Rottino? Excuse me Chris, the bums have one hit through 5 innings.
MAAAyberry finally got #2.
Half way to 8 runs. Triple AAA.
ace hamels blows 2 separate 2 run leads
Hoyda
Probably just lost him half a mil.
I think I saw Wigginton give Todd the finger as he rounded third.
6 RBI day
it says something about him that the biggest day of his career was a 6 rbi day in late may
hes still a loser
Ty Winnington
Getting Wiggy With It?
no
(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/4167/screenshot20120528at655.png)
Boom.
Nice fat face you fat farg. You're definitely an athlete. Definitely.
lol
Doc out 6-8 weeks with a Grade 1 - Grade 2 strain
When does wORLY come back?
They'll sign Oswalt now.
signed with the rangers from what i saw
and he stinks anyway
They need offense more anyway.
oswalt to the rangers is official and its fine. hes old and terrible.
dave bush bitches
strike that they are going to rush worley back. im sure thats going to work out.
Pineapple strikes again.
farg! Ike Davis who hasn't had a hit since like opening day gets an rbi after some zesty defense keeps the inning alive. Hit batter, wild pitch, crappy D. Damnit.
The Pepsi Porch? C'mon New York, you can do better than that.
blanton fat up fat to fat his fat old fat tricks fat fat
Fat farg hit parade.
Jugs Machine Joe doing what he's done best the last month - throw farging BP.
Oh Jesus farging Christ...really?!
farging Blanton gives up a farging bomb to a rookie pitcher
lol now the pitcher hits a homer
fat shtein blanton
Spazzy!
worthless at bat for wiggerton swinging at ball 3 on 2-0, then victorino as usual has no clue how to hit with risp
garbage team
its scenarios like that why the suck and why wiggerton is such a pos. you need a farging sac fly and he farging gets himself out because hes just a god damn loser.
I was on the phone when that home run was hit. I had no idea it was the pitcher who it. Damn lard ass!
Speaking of dumb asses, Victorino? Are you kidding me? That pitch was only a foot over his head. Spazz on third, no outs, stranded.
Quote from: MDS on May 29, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
worthless at bat for wiggerton swinging at ball 3 on 2-0, then victorino as usual has no clue how to hit with risp
2012 in a nutshell.
blanton farging blows
Hurry back Vance.
The Wigginton and Victorino ABs were awful. The lack is situational hitting displayed by this team is farging disgusting.
These guys suck. And so does Greg Gross. And Ruben Amaro too.
Scott Hairston owns them. No shtein that the Phils can't score a goddamn runner from 3rd with no outs and then see a little farg lead off with a double and then Jug Machine allows a bomb.
farg you, Phillies.
hamels for _________
president?
Quote@ryanlawrence21: Joe Blanton has a 7.62 ERA in five starts since throwing a shutout in Atlanta on May 3. He has allowed at least 6 runs in 3 straight starts.
Put that tarp on this team.
Garbage.
Straight up trashy ass baseball.
what have i been you telling you homers since march
What's jRoll so pissed about? Now he knows what it's like to be stranded out there.
How many days until the next Philadelphia disappo...err, I mean until training camp opens?
you 2 are like girls who think every guy she blows is going to propose to her
you drink the cum and you get nothing in return, except sometimes anal (blanton starts)
That's why the kool aid tasted so funny.
Quote from: MDS on May 29, 2012, 09:22:27 PM
you 2 are like girls who think every guy she blows is going to propose to her
you drink the cum and you get nothing in return, except sometimes anal (blanton starts)
MDS ladies and gents. Providing biting commentary from deep in Texico!
youre telling me i dont have a gift
that post was farging dead on, brilliant and wayyy over the top.
From Kurkjian
Quote@Kurkjian_ESPN: When Padilla signed with the DBacks out of Nicaragua, he came to the signing on a donkey. The DBacks gave him extra $ to care for the donkey
Tim forgot to mention the fifth of fire water.
Doc out 6-8 weeks with a lat strain. Do we need to explain to igy what a lat is again?
Is that part of the coordinates where the injury occured?
12 runs by Bums in Lee's 7 starts? Support your local starter.
Cliff Lee's what you'd call a smart ballplayer
hunter pence is not
another worthless at bat with 1st and 2nd and no outs.
alright you elders, HERE is a time when a loss is justified
I sure love Hunter Pence. Such a professional AB with runners on 1-2 and no outs. farging corksucking spazz.
And then Lee gives up a bomb.
I farging hate this farging group of shteinbags
Seriously....Chooch is the MVP
I love this team!!
Ruiz is a goddamn pimp.
they have 1 god damn player
1
Yo - Dom Brown hit a HR tonight.
Rejoice.
they better get a run here or in the 9th
manuel leaving himself short by using tony in the 7th
they barely manufactured that
lucky lucky to have pierre on 3rd
Is Oswalt pitching for Texas tonight?
truck is back
heavy shtein and disgusting old dirty cuban breaks on his pitches
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
I farging hate this farging group of shteinbags
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2012, 09:06:32 PM
I love this team!!
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Jimmy knocked the shtein out of that one
Quote from: Rome on May 30, 2012, 09:36:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
I farging hate this farging group of shteinbags
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2012, 09:06:32 PM
I love this team!!
(http://xiaow3i.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/bipolar-bear.jpg)
I need prozac and a hug. Can ya help?
Jimmy smoked it. Almost hit the Mets guys broadcasting from the RF seats.
can anyone name an announcing crew even close to as good as the mets guys?
its gross how good they are
Yeah they're the gold standard.
Actual insight and thoughts...and interesting conversation! Imagine that.
Mets looking silly now...lol
Been on a conference call for 2 hours while watching. Nothing like Wheels/TMac on mute.
Damn, what a ninth inning!
They've reached their weekly quota. No more runs until Monday.
im not sure if its more depressing watch this team or watching a phillies broadcast compared to a mets one
Lucas Dodo. Beast.
I just received two text messages from friends telling me to listen to the Mets broadcast. Word is spreading across the nation.
Doc going to see the Mets doctor for a second opinion is straight up treason.
Watch the Mets broadcast even when the Phils aren't playing them.
Valdes...jesus man
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Jimmy smoked it. Almost hit the Mets guys broadcasting from the RF seats.
Was that them sitting up there? Like I said I had the ipad on mute and was sneaking peaks during my enthralling call and thought I saw them sitting there.
Could you imagine the abuse Wheels would get if they tried that at CBP.
Nice work Valdes.
They would grab that brown Wisconsin squirrel off his head and toss it around like a frisbee.
Why the hell is Papelbon anywhere near this farging game?
Jesus Christ on a cracker already.
Quote from: Rome on May 30, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
Why the hell is Papelbon anywhere near this farging game?
Jesus Christ on a cracker already.
Because he'd already warmed up when they were leading 4-3 before the onslaught began. And they have an off day tomorrow
Quote from: Rome on May 30, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
Why the hell is Papelbon anywhere near this farging game?
Jesus Christ on a cracker already.
I used a lot worse than that reference. Idiots.
They also have a five run lead. Sit the farg down, Jonny Cakes.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2012, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 30, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
Why the hell is Papelbon anywhere near this farging game?
Jesus Christ on a cracker already.
Because he'd already warmed up when they were leading 4-3 before the onslaught began. And they have an off day tomorrow
Sorry Jesus. Forgot about the off day.
Scratch that... make it a four run lead.
5-2 road trip. Not bad.
I'd like to see Victorino and Papelbon beef it out.
valdes is a journeyman pitcher who somehow went his first 5 or 6 appearances without giving up a run
he was due and it was bad
Bases loaded, one out. Need I continue.
Todd, allow me, please.
farg YOU WIGGINTON
he was a little tired after J was up all night blowing him after his big homer in the 9th inning of a 6 run game
Nice try Fred Flintstone. C'mon farginton!
Wow. Lucky to get out of that mess.
Son of a Panamanian hooker is he on fire or what. Chooch!
Sit down Wigginton. What a horrible at bat.
I think Winnington banged Todd's girl.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 01, 2012, 08:40:30 PM
I think Winnington banged Todd's girl.
Todd's never had a girl unless you count his blowup doll
Spaz with the Lob Wedge special.
Chooch 3-3.
And Triple ASS still blows.
Jose Contreras's career just ended.
Quote from: Munson on June 01, 2012, 09:50:18 PM
Jose Contreras's career just ended.
??? What happened? Switch over to Mets game.
Threw a pitch and immediately stumbled off the mound in a lot of pain, holding his arm out like it was dead
Yeah what happened? I was watching Johan
He can now reap the benefits of the AARP.
Tick, tick tick, tick, tick tick
Even Senor with a dead arm can't pitch any worse than Bas tardo and Qualls. Son of a shtein.
Is there any doubt they're going to lose the lead here?
6-2 to 6-4 and the bases loaded.
Papelbon coming in with one out in the 8th
5 out save?!
HA HA HA! farging Papelbon with the lifeboats. farg this poor excuse for a bullpen.
What an awesome pitch. The bums have got out of a head high pile of shtein about 4 times tonight.
MAAAyberry! Helluva catch
That had disaster written all over it.
he totally misread that ball and saved his own ass with that
tomorrow papelbon and basticho probably wont be available. your closer will be...chad qualls?
truck is back on the dl
somewhere amaro is paying a hooker to punch his boner
Contreras tore the "Tommy John" ligament. Career over.
he is 75 years old and amaro gave him a 2 year deal
in those 2 years truck pitched in 17 games each season. in 2011 it was 14 innings. in 2012 it was 13.2 innings.
Don't you dare question The Almighty, son.
BTW - I'm about sick of Victorino and his awful plate approach.
the breaking point was swinging at the first pitch of an at bat in the first inning of a game in june?
after 6 years this is it
Quote from: MDS on June 02, 2012, 04:31:21 PM
the breaking point was swinging at the first pitch of an at bat in the first inning of a game in june?
after 6 years this is it
I was always on the fence about bringing him back but now I'm on the side of not resigning him. He's probably going to get 10 million + do let someone else overpay him.
No it's not my breaking point. But I'm tired of seeing him come up and hack at everything and pop out
victorino is what he is
unless you got something better in mind suck that shtein up
farging douchebag fan...thats a double that's not going to get overturned
i think it was actually going over..but that munson looking douche didnt help matters
pwt get out
Points moot now but that definitely ricochets off the fence. That douche was leaning over far. Shame he didn't take a tumble like the Rangers fan.
another game, another blown lead for the ace
have fun in LA you so cal Hoyda
Another homer allowed to Ramirez.
3-0 to 4-3 trailing.
Ramirez admired it a bit too long
lol @ at not trading this loser in fantasy
homerJ strikes again
hamels for tony sipp take it or leave it
oh look, its the 6th inning and a 1 run game. ty wiggerton comin through, as usual.
Victorino's schtick is beyond infuriating. He'll never change his approach at the plate. Let some other fan base feel our pain next year.
The vagina meltdown is complete.
Only Todd can rip someone for not trading a player in fantasy when HE was the one who wanted him!
Pitches seen by the Phils the last three innings: 6-6-10
Atta boy Greg Gross...earn your money, pal.
nice job totally glossing over the butcher job by cole and blame it on the meaningless hitting coach
they have to take 2/3 and blanton is going tomorrow. cole got handed a 3-0 lead 12 hours after basticho and papelbon threw multiple innings and blows it and cant even get out of the 7th.
this should count as 10 losses on hamels stupid record that only old people care about
I am not glossing over anything.
The hitting coach gets blame too, son. We know the Phils hitter are who we thought they are...but Gross should be held accountable too, no?
Jimmy on 3rd with 0 outs.
Does he score?
5 years ago that's an insider the parker for Jimmy
I'd pin chances at about 38%.
Pierre walks.
Spazz is up.
Any farging doubt he goes 6-4-3 DP?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2012, 06:13:16 PMThe hitting coach gets blame too, son. We know the Phils hitter are who we thought they are...but Gross should be held accountable too, no?
i guess but i really dont think gross is encouraging them to hack up there
the hitters are what they are
Quote from: MDS on June 02, 2012, 06:16:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2012, 06:13:16 PMThe hitting coach gets blame too, son. We know the Phils hitter are who we thought they are...but Gross should be held accountable too, no?
i guess but i really dont think gross is encouraging them to hack up there
the hitters are what they are
He should be telling them to take pitches and have a damn plan rather than hack away.
Here we go...whaddya say, Pence
You know this is either going to result in a K or a DP
atta boy Pence
Nice. Proved me wrong...good job by Pierre to steal and then get to 3rd.
LETS GO RUIZZZZZZZZZZ
shtein man...goddamn that was a bad bad ball to swing at
That was a terrible AB by Carlos. He gets a pass since he's carried the team but still....
Chances of Pierre scoring the tying run: 6.3%
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 02, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
Chances of Pierre scoring the tying run: 6.3%
Down to 1.2%
So close...MDS' boy whiffs on ball 4.
Well....farg
farg farg farg
farginton you clueless prick!
WTF was that pudge ball swinging at?
loserton was trying to hit the ball to center city on that swing
what a joke of a human being
That is an AWFUL blown call.
He missed him.
bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllshtein
Ugh.
:boo
Losers. Heath Bell. c'mon.
horrendous loss
they are never making the playoffs now
0-21 when trailing after 8
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2012, 06:56:38 PM
0-21 when trailing after 8
two games over .500 when starting a game 0-0.....they are a .500 team plus or minus 5 games....the sooner everyone realizes this the better we will all be as human beings
they are a .500 now...but just wait until utley, howard, halladay, stutes, schmidt, burrell and carlton get back!
:-D
Victorino is awful.
im actually glad he's not having one of these epic contract years because i don't want him re-signed anyway
you want a guy who wasnt good enough to play RF in CF?
i want josh farging hamilton. and i will murder your family until he signs
Yeah...Hamilton has to be signed.
if they sign josh hamilton, i will move to qtown and be your alice
i don't want you
can i be sam?
Zambrano goes deep.
lol
Juggs Machine Joe at it again.
Yet another afternoon of a zesty offensive approach...6 pitches seen last inning and 10 this one.
A little Sunday trivia: who was the last Phillies pitcher to get a win in an all star game
this lineup is an atrocity
why isnt hector luna 3-3 with 3 homers!!
Lol at these bums
Zambrano has as many hits and two more runs than the Phils. Can he play outfield?
Reyes with the complete lack of effort on that jog to the plate.
Quote from: SD on June 03, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
A little Sunday trivia: who was the last Phillies pitcher to get a win in an all star game
I'm guessing it's a reliever/closer....maybe Bedrock?
Glad I slept in and missed most of this shtein show.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
Juggs Machine Joe at it again.
The bums would be lucky to get a bag of rosin for that fat turd. So much for any trade value.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 03, 2012, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: SD on June 03, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
A little Sunday trivia: who was the last Phillies pitcher to get a win in an all star game
I'm guessing it's a reliever/closer....maybe Bedrock?
You're correct that it's a reliever but you have the wrong player
[Ashburn]Was it that Heathcliff Slocomb?[/Ashburn]
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 03, 2012, 04:08:29 PM
[Ashburn]Was it that Heathcliff Slocomb?[/Ashburn]
Correct
dont worry, their interested in youkilis is increasing
just what the doctor ordered: a washed up jew
its like sam the butcher bringing alice the meat.....it like fred flinstone driving around in bald feet
o/u for hits vs. kershaw
1.5
Nice replay, farger was out!
Welcome back Vanimal.
More like Vaginal.
3-0 with this lineup facing Kershaw?
Goodnight Irene.
he didnt really pitch poorly, just got very unlucky with some calls and bloopers
of course he needed to be perfect to beat clay, and that just wasnt going to happen
The Pop-Up Master strikes again.
Kershaw's reaction :-D
Did I just see them rally back on a Polanco homer?!
so i guess cole isnt the only ace blowing 3-0 leads
Worley can't put Kershaw away and he lost him after 9 pitches.
Savery warming...
savery's october magic
doofus juan samuel asleep at the wheel
and what a shock hunter pence comes up empty in a bases loaded situation
Yeah he has to send him there.
New idea - any time a Phils runner gets on 2nd or 3rd just end the inning. Ya know they won't score so speed the game up and put us out of our misery
its why they are considering youkilis
right now pence is really the only proven run producer on the roster, and he for whatever reason is disgraceful at that right now
hitters like jimmy and vic arent made for rbi spots, guys like that generally arent. then you have wiggerton who sucks and mayberry who sucks and polanco who is old and luna isnt a major leaguer and you wonder why they cant produce with risp.
then you have a manager who cant realize that and a 3rd base coach who is muy dormiendo
Well...so much for that.
Good job, Johnny Paps
top of the order...pop ups mcgillicutty leading it off
can we please end the jonh mayberry era already
hes farging awful
.500...again
And lost game they should have won...again
Phils took two RHP with their first two picks:
They're comparing this guy to Brett Myers: http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120604&content_id=32756898&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120604&content_id=32757024&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi
Quote from: SD on June 05, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
They're comparing this guy to Brett Myers: http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120604&content_id=32756898&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi
Wife beating jokes will cease and desist starting...............................now!
i know they suck but the phillies best all star placement right now is a 4th place chooch
like theres really no one to vote for besides him or pence or whatever, but they sell out every game and youd figure people would just idiotically vote for their home team. but i guess you shouldnt expect anything less from a crowd that barely acknowledged bobby abreus existence yesterday since none of them were fans way way back in 2004 when he was here.
I heard a few boo's for Abreu but what should the crowd have done given him a standing O or threw batteries at him? He hasn't been here in half a decade and is hanging on by a thread in the league.
he was a great player when he was here, and is actually doing quite well for los doyers
but i guess everyone couldnt take a break from eating their crab fries to notice. but they did give jim thome 1000 different ovations and he sucks donkey dick.
Abreu was about as exciting as cold oatmeal. He should have been met with indifference.
Quote from: MDS on June 05, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
he was a great player when he was here
He was a good player, he was never great. He got more useless extra base hits than any player in major league history. Any coincedence they started winning as soon as he was traded?
lol i love the unproven illogical abreu hatred. it doesnt go away, never ever.
yea they started getting better because abreu left, not because hamels, utley and howard were in their primes. who needs a .400 obp clogging up the basepaths.
It's a shame that you make some reasonable arguments, because the unimportant and ridiculous ones really get all the attention.
Like this one. Who gives a farg about Abreu? His stats helped the Phillies almost as much as a pitcher's win total.
they could have had babe ruth circa 1927 instead of abreu and still wouldnt have won anything
their ace in those days was jon lieber or kevin millwood. why people forget that but remember abreu supposedly not being "clutch" i guess is just one of those things. oh wait. WIP callers like to pick on lazy mexicans and undisciplined negros.
Whatever the circumstances, why should anyone care one way or another about him? Good player, never made a significant impact... Either an overly negative or overly positive reaction would have been stupid.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 05, 2012, 02:30:32 PM
Whatever the circumstances, why should anyone care one way or another about him? Good player, never made a significant impact... Either an overly negative or overly positive reaction would have been stupid.
You make too much sense for him to have one of his retarded opinions. Good god mds your last few posts are pathetic. Even igy would be ashamed.
burrell had 1 meaningful hit and everyone, both men and women, want to suck his cock
but hes a good looking white man and abreu is a mediocre looking lazy mexican afraid of walls who walks a lot and doesnt hit DINGERS
Abreu was a good player with reasonable production (albeit in the steroid era) but he also had an uncanny ability to come up short when the heat was on. Saying they started winning because he left seems silly but there's no disputing the fact that the younger guys immediately asserted themselves after he left and ultimately won a championship without him.
And he never had an OBP over .400 after he left Philly despite playing for the Yankees & Angels during most of those seasons.
lol theres the old clutch thing. no evidence. no proof. just oh yea he NEVER came through in big spots.
i can list off 10 different big games off the top of my head to prove mcnabb was a farging loser. abreu got plenty of big hits and came up short plenty of times, just like every other player. was he a superstar get me to the plate boys guy like choke? no. was he a pussified i dont want it dont put it on me loser like ty wiggerton or mcnabb? no.
what he was was one of the best rf's in phillies history if not the best. but he didnt have werths beard or something and hes lazy bla bla bla
Is Abreu mouth banging you during his off days or something?
Life here without MDS is much nicer Sassy.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 05, 2012, 04:58:42 PM
Is Abreu mouth banging you during his off days or something?
ewww good lord i have so much higher standards for latin american cock
hes just a really good player that got totally shtein on for no reason when he was here, then he comes back and the munsonian crowd didnt know who he was since they started watching games in 2008. it pisses me off that this is the reality of this team: they suck, the fans are the idiots and the ones that go should die in a fire
Spaz, first pitch swing, not surprising. Spaz, RBI, shocking.
Quote from: MDS on June 05, 2012, 01:21:49 PM
i know they suck but the phillies best all star placement right now is a 4th place chooch
1. Molina, 2. Posey and 3. McCann
Nice to see Rollins loafing ass down the line again.
Lee pitching a gem and these douchebags give him one run to work with.
Holy shtein at that throw by Pence
mlbtv picked a good time to farg up
That was an awful pitch to throw in that spot
Jesus farging Christ!!!
Two great plays and Lee's pitching a gem and now they're gonna lose.
Of course they can't farging score for him either so no room for mistakes.
Motherfarging farg.
lol i dont know why but J's anger makes me feel good
Last Phillie comeback in the 8th or later?
Last game of 2011's regular season.
Glad I can bring joy. Know what would make me happy? A farging two run walkoff.
I HAVE FAITH!
FonteNO.
Pathetic.
lol its a shame freddy galvis and mike fontenot didnt get big hits there
maybe next time
corksucking losers.
Four losses in a row.
farg these farging shteinbags.
I hope Wheels gets hit by a farging SEPTA bus
what did wheeler do
i was going with the ktla guys (hopelessly mediocre) and for the life of me cannot fathom how someone can sit through him talking for 3 hours
I only had the Phils broadcast available tonight.
His goddamn cliches and repeated insistence of talking about no doubles defenses drives me insane.
did he say anything about mike fontenot pinch hitting in the 9th for polanco? i mean seriously you are getting worked up a team thats top three bench players are fontenot, orr and hector luna. mike fontenot! let it sink in.
they are not good. accept this. please. throw in the towel on this year and just laugh at them like i do.
lee was getting hit a lot in the 8th, Charlie farged up by not replacing him.
then, in the 9th he pinch runs Mayberry instead of Fontenot and let's Fontenot hit just because of righty vs lefty. he's a joke
good article about Dom and the switch to center. http://articles.mcall.com/2012-06-02/sports/mc-ironpigs-sunday-domonic-brown-0603-20120602_1_domonic-brown-ironpigs-field
letting him run gap to gap really takes advantage of his athleticsm and wingspan and he gets good reads off the bat from center
he went 4-5 with 2HR and an outfield assist last night. supposedly he struggled early this year because they changed his swing and he is now getting into a groove with it.
one of the phillies second round picks (77th overall) was not in baseball americas top 500 prospects
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 06, 2012, 09:13:35 AM
one of the phillies second round picks (77th overall) was not in baseball americas top 500 prospects
He was kicked off his High School team for fighting but he's huge [6'5 230], crushes Home Runs and has a monster upside. High ceiling player, isn't that what you preach?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120606_Phillies_make_intriguing_pick_with_Arizona_high_school_outfielder.html
is he the one that has a scholarship offer to Arizona for football?
Look test? Name Test?
big fail on both
Dylan Cozens
white
Quote from: SunMo on June 06, 2012, 09:39:17 AM
is he the one that has a scholarship offer to Arizona for football?
yeah but he said hes playing baseball
Quote from: SD on June 06, 2012, 09:38:51 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 06, 2012, 09:13:35 AM
one of the phillies second round picks (77th overall) was not in baseball americas top 500 prospects
He was kicked off his High School team for fighting but he's huge [6'5 230], crushes Home Runs and has a monster upside. High ceiling player, isn't that what you preach?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120606_Phillies_make_intriguing_pick_with_Arizona_high_school_outfielder.html
what high school player doesnt have upside...by definition if you are 17 you better have upside...but this guy seems to have less than most...if he ever makes it which is less than a 2% chance he will be a DH in the american league....i really could care less as he will never play in the big leagues i just think its hilarious he wasnt in baseball americas top 500
Most High School players can't do this in 1000 swings much less 70
QuoteCozens, the son of a former NFL draft pick, worked out for the Phillies on Saturday and sprayed the ball all over Citizens Bank Park, including 10 homers in about 70 swings.
Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120606_Phillies_make_intriguing_pick_with_Arizona_high_school_outfielder.html#ixzz1x1NRJFBU
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else
not true...shtein in a small park no bigger than a lot of high school fields with a major league coach throwing perfect BP i could hit a bunch out
no point in arguing about it anyway as i said he will never play a single inning in the major leagues
Thanks, Nostradamus.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 06, 2012, 10:05:21 AM
not true...shtein in a small park no bigger than a lot of high school fields with a major league coach throwing perfect BP i could hit a bunch out
no point in arguing about it anyway as i said he will never play a single inning in the major leagues
I'll bet you couldn't hit one out and I'd give you 1000 tries
yeah, no chance
i <3 Dom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yc_GFV0dn6w
Quote from: SD on June 06, 2012, 10:24:51 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 06, 2012, 10:05:21 AM
not true...shtein in a small park no bigger than a lot of high school fields with a major league coach throwing perfect BP i could hit a bunch out
no point in arguing about it anyway as i said he will never play a single inning in the major leagues
I'll bet you couldn't hit one out and I'd give you 1000 tries
wait i have to be misunderstanding you...you must be talking about against major league pitching right?
obviously i couldnt do that
i thought you were talking about hitting a baseball 330 feet against BP pitching...which is something almost anyone can do
No...I'm saying I could stand on the mound at CBP and throw you BP and you couldn't hit one out. It's not as easy as it looks.
i'm telling you right now, you can't do it.
the past two years i've been in a charity home run derby at the Iron Pigs stadium and twice in those two years did I even hit the fence. and i'm roughly 50 times the athlete you are.
i can hit a softball with ease 300 feet
a baseball 329 is a joke
im not saying i would hit 10 out of 70 but theres not even a question i would bang out a couple and im not a first round mlb draft pick...nor 6'6 or cock deisel
all im saying is what that kid did is not even a little bit noteworthy
be better at sports....thats what id do
lol
This fargin guy
the amazing thing is hes quite serious
Now when I picture IGY I'm gonna see him as that fat guy with the cape in Invincible that was convinced he was gonna make the team.
Hitting a giant softball 300 ft that is being lobbed at you at about 8mph with a practically weightless aluminum bat is definitely the same as hitting a baseball that is half the size and is coming at you on a straight line at about 70mph while swinging a heavier wooden bat.
Makes you wonder why more chicks don't play baseball.
lol at 70 being fast....but if you need it slower then you can have the ball anyway you want....bottom line is if you cant hit a baseball that far you suck....especially is you are huge and a second round major league pick
Except he did hit it that far...10 times in 70 attempts.
You couldn't hit it that far 1 time in a 1000 attempts. Dope.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 06, 2012, 02:17:35 PM
lol at 70 being fast....but if you need it slower then you can have the ball anyway you want....bottom line is if you cant hit a baseball that far you suck....especially is you are huge and a second round major league pick
Who said anything about 70 being fast? You're comparing hitting a giant softball that is thrown on an arc and travelling at the speed of molassass to hitting a baseball that is travelling at least 9x faster and on a direct line from the pitcher to the plate.
The fact that you're trying to compare the 2 is farging laughable.
Sunny.....next time you go down to hang with IGY, take him to the batting cages, record that shtein, put it on youtube and post the link. I'm curious to see how many he crushes.
the faster and harder the ball the farther it goes
That certainly explains why Jamie Moyer gave up the 3rd most homers all time.
VOTE FOR GALVIS
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 06, 2012, 05:44:34 PM
Sunny.....next time you go down to hang with IGY, take him to the batting cages, record that shtein, put it on youtube and post the link. I'm curious to see how many he crushes.
Time for the CF Home Run Derby. I'll retrieve the balls after I blow my hip out swinging at air.
farg, stuck with the Fox Sports West feed and Steve Lyons. He is such a tool. Damn I wish Scully would make one trip a year and it was to CBP.
I think Pence already used up his one spectacular catch for this season.
farg you AAA.
I miss Lopes.
hold me back, i dont know if i can take it. must...say...something...
If you gave me 100 BP pitches I'd knock at least five out.
Freddy Galvis is fun to watch.
That's all I've got for right now.
His offensive numbers aren't bad. Better than I expected to be honest.
hes walked 7 times this year
hes a blind squirrel swinging for some nuts. his does have pop, though. but until he learns how to take pitches and work counts he will continue to be horrid to watch at the plate.
And now he's injured.
Beyoootiful
Jimmy.
Nice shot
i havent seen every homer but i think that might be their first bank shot of the year
Quote from: Don Ho on June 06, 2012, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2012, 08:48:04 PM
And now he's injured.
Beyoootiful
Missed it? How?
Swinging at a changeup. He tweaked his back. He tried to stay in but came out after two more hacks.
why cant that happen to mayberry
just die already stanford boy
Pence about to go 6-4-3
Thanks j, you spared me the tirad I was about to unleash on Spaz.
Like I said the other night - just end the game after 7 innings. These clowns have no shot.
wheres pence and his lets go eat twitter pictures this year
go back to texas you loser
Doyers about to tack on a few more.
Phils will score a couple in the bottom and still lose by a run
lol at these bums. I took off work tomorrow so I could take my daughter to her first game. 4 game sweep is a guarantee.
Base on balls for everyone.
Oh swell, Schwimer will keep it close.
1-2-3 easy ending coming up.
The next time these soft batch iceholes show any fight will be the first.
Quote from: SD on June 06, 2012, 10:20:12 PM
lol at these bums. I took off work tomorrow so I could take my daughter to her first game. 4 game sweep is a guarantee.
Poor girl. Have a couple cold ones and do us all a favor and lay into these iceholes for us.
They were doing the wave tonight.
Philadelphia Phillies fans were doing the farging WAVE during a game and a season that has been zesty! Its never a good time to do the wave but definitely not when the team blows ass.
farging kidding me?!
Give Victorino some goddamn muscle milk.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2012, 10:17:06 PM
Doyers about to tack on a few more.
Phils will score a couple in the bottom and still lose by a run
If only my gambling foresight was as good as my Phils foresight.
Thome up now. Come the farg on!
Glad I missed the wave. This iPad would have been through the wall.
Wiggy!
He missed that by six feet
Cmon you old farg.
Another missed fastball by six goddamn feet
Oh jesus farging christ are you serious?!
OLD YELLER!
That was shocking.
Thome, the French farg, Go Team!
Jensen struck out guys with high fastballs last night too...what does Fontenot swing at? A farging high FB.
TAKE THE WALK!
Scheider - all eyes on you, cuz.
A bloop single?
Better yet - let this fool walk-a-thon the hell outta everyone
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2012, 10:36:54 PMThome up now. Come the farg on!
you have a disease my man
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THE HIGH FASTBALL! LAY OFF THE fargING HIGH FASTBALL! Goddamn I farging HATE this farging group of iceholes.
FIVE in a row. Six farging games out of first.
J, the drinking on Kauai is about to commence. farg these iceholes.
Time to start preparing for fantasy football.
Drink up, Donny.
Five game losing streak, Phils fans doing a wave, a roster full of extras from Major League and Wheels and TMac.....where's my farging rum and shotgun.
you two have to be the last two people on earth who are getting worked up over them
its been over hombres
Quote from: Don Ho on June 06, 2012, 10:46:44 PM
Time to start preparing for fantasy football.
Football season can't come soon enough. After the Sixers went out we knew we'd be in for a long couple of months.
46 days till Rookies, Quarterbacks, and injured players report to Lehigh.
Galvis to the DL.
No truth to the rumor that Juan Samuel will play 2B tomorrow.
lol they already DLed him
polanco is old and farged up again, too
out of the 8 positions they have 3 major leaguers: victorino, pence and ruiz. and i say that liberally.
how sad is it that we have to get excited for the 3000th variation of the andy reid mediocre machine.
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2012, 10:59:35 PM
lol they already DLed him
polanco is old and farged up again, too
out of the 8 positions they have 3 major leaguers: victorino, pence and ruiz. and i say that liberally.
how sad is it that we have to get excited for the 3000th variation of the andy reid mediocre machine.
You forgot Rollins.
"Right now everything about our team is kinda whacked up"
Go on and say farged up, Chuck. Do it. Let the profanity flow my man.
Or better yet; pull a Rawls/McNulty scene and walk out to the PC with both middle fingers up and tell Amaro what a great job he's done assembling this team.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2012, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2012, 10:59:35 PM
lol they already DLed him
polanco is old and farged up again, too
out of the 8 positions they have 3 major leaguers: victorino, pence and ruiz. and i say that liberally.
how sad is it that we have to get excited for the 3000th variation of the andy reid mediocre machine.
You forgot Rollins.
turn the calendar to 2012 and try again
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2012, 11:06:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2012, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2012, 10:59:35 PM
lol they already DLed him
polanco is old and farged up again, too
out of the 8 positions they have 3 major leaguers: victorino, pence and ruiz. and i say that liberally.
how sad is it that we have to get excited for the 3000th variation of the andy reid mediocre machine.
You forgot Rollins.
turn the calendar to 2012 and try again
Get the farg outta here - Jimmy's a certified pimp. Slow ya roll.
(http://philliesnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/michael-martinez-027f45fd615e902c.jpg)
SAVIOR!
hes a 70s pimp trying to lure hookers with grass cept its the 80s and they all need their coke fix
still a pimp, just past his time
but you still havent given up on mcnabb so i wouldnt except you to give up on rollins. heck deep down you still think thome is gonna jack one out.
Four of the five games were lost by one run. The talent has been questionable all season, and they've been creaky with old age and injuries longer than that, but now, for the first time in years, the swagger is completely missing. Long season ahead.
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2012, 10:09:01 PM
wheres pence and his lets go eat twitter pictures this year
come back to texas you loser
This team is hard to watch right now because they're so predictable. Walked in 2 runners in 1 game? That is beyond pathetic.
2 errors and a sac fly ... Phils up 2-0
I assume that the sac fly was an error committed by the Phils. No way in hell did that happen intentionally.
another mistake when Fontenot got a hit....3-0
3-3
well this is a loss
Quote from: SunMo on June 07, 2012, 02:53:02 PM
3-3
well this is a loss
wanna just pay me my 20 this weekend?
4-3
3 outs to tie it back up or they're farged
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 07, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
4-3
3 outs to tie it back up or they're farged
they were farged before the season started champ
Mayberry is just god awful.
How in the hell is Qualls still on this team? How? Please tell me?
BOO BOO farging BOO
Suck ass pieces of dog shtein.
That is all.
How many days till training camp opens?
I'm shocked that they lost. Shocked!
I'm equally shocked that Chad Qualls gave up more runs.
Helluva team ya got there, Mister Amaro!!
It's really amazing that everything that could have gone wrong with these iceholes surely has.
Halladay & Lee both get hurt. Vanimal is hurt. Blanton pitches like shtein. All the hitters (except Chooch & Spaz) forget how to hit. The bullpen absolutely implodes. The bench turns out to be a laughingstock. Just amazing.
how is it amazing?
anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming. they were getting really old and the other teams in their division all got a lot better.
im wondering if they still are now on par with the yankees and red sox like a lot of homers say
phillies less than five years into their new era on a level with the great frnchoses in the league are already a last place team.....the sox havent finished below .500 since 97 and the yankees since 92 much less finishing in last
Quote from: Rome on June 07, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
It's really amazing that everything that could have gone wrong with these iceholes surely has.
Halladay & Lee both get hurt. Vanimal is hurt. Blanton pitches like shtein. All the hitters (except Chooch & Spaz) forget how to hit. The bullpen absolutely implodes. The bench turns out to be a laughingstock. Just amazing.
Spaz's hitting has been less than stellar too. His RISP is pathetic.
The bullpen and bench are directly attributed to Amaro being a cockface zesty GM.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 07, 2012, 10:34:03 PM
im wondering if they still are now on par with the yankees and red sox like a lot of homers say
phillies less than five years into their new era on a level with the great frnchoses in the league are already a last place team.....the sox havent finished below .500 since 97 and the yankees since 92 much less finishing in last
not even close
look at the sox...they were dead in the water this year and are still right there. then again the only elder they rely on is ortiz and he is just the dh.
meanwhile the lolllies entire lineup is a century old and now you get what you get
also the thing with the phillies is its going to get worse before it gets better
it depends if they wake up and realize what they have
if amaro breaks up the band in july and trades victorino, pence, hamels, etc, they can get some very good major league ready young talent. you call up brown, give him a shot. you play those guys and wait out the 2013 contracts, and by 2014 you should have something.
in fact if they do this 2013 should be an exciting year. it wouldnt be a title year, but it could be the start of something.
They could resign Hamels and Victorino and still be in a posistion to compete again in 2014. They'll have a ton of money even with those guys under contract to sign one or two star caliber FA
Victorino can walk, he's going to get overpaid and money to re-sign him can go elsewhere. Where are you getting this 'ton of money' from? If they re-sign Hamels they only have a little wiggle room to stay under the luxury tax. Blanton/Vic and a few minor deals come off the books but it's not enough to sign a star player.
This is where Amaro needs to prove he's a good GM. Anyone can take over a world series team with a deep farm system and a high payroll and make them contend, now rebuilding or retooling a team is a differen story. He needs to decide which path he wants to chose and go from there. I doubt they trade their veterans for prospects because they still have a few key pieces in place, have other key pieces they can't move, and have flexibility salary wise because of the fan support.
Quote from: MDS on June 08, 2012, 01:01:17 PM
it depends if they wake up and realize what they have
if amaro breaks up the band in july and trades victorino, pence, hamels, etc, they can get some very good major league ready young talent. you call up brown, give him a shot. you play those guys and wait out the 2013 contracts, and by 2014 you should have something.
in fact if they do this 2013 should be an exciting year. it wouldnt be a title year, but it could be the start of something.
they arent getting young major league ready talent in trades...no one dooes that....they will get prospects who in three or so years are
hopefully major league ready....you cant rebuild and sign big free agents at the same time in baseball....you have to have a foundation of your own prospects who have proven to be players in the majors then you can add a piece here or there via trade or free agency to put your team over the top...but to get to that point you have to go thru many years of struggling
thats kind of where the nationals were last and this year....but they went thru five years of garbage to get to this point
you also have to be incredibly lucky to have multiple players from your own system become major league players and thats rare...phillies struck gold with grit jimmy burrell heidi and choke....the chances of something like that happening twice in a decade is virtually impossible
what the phillies should have done is add big time talent like they did with halladay and lee back in 2006 when their nucelus was in their prime....instead they waited till they all got old at once...had they not waited so long to complement their home grown talent with outside talent they have won two or three titles
Quote from: SD on June 08, 2012, 01:22:33 PM
Victorino can walk, he's going to get overpaid and money to re-sign him can go elsewhere. Where are you getting this 'ton of money' from? If they re-sign Hamels they only have a little wiggle room to stay under the luxury tax. Blanton/Vic and a few minor deals come off the books but it's not enough to sign a star player.
This is where Amaro needs to prove he's a good GM. Anyone can take over a world series team with a deep farm system and a high payroll and make them contend, now rebuilding or retooling a team is a differen story. He needs to decide which path he wants to chose and go from there. I doubt they trade their veterans for prospects because they still have a few key pieces in place, have other key pieces they can't move, and have flexibility salary wise because of the fan support.
After the 2013 season, before 2014, the luxury tax goes up to 189 million. In addition to that, Utley's 15 mil comes off the books and now with Halladay's injury chances are his option won't vest and that's another 20 million off the books.
As of right now they're officially on the hook for 74 million in 2014. Add in say 23 mil for Hamels and 11-12 for Victorino and you're only at 109 mil or so with 80 million in space before the luxury tax. And as of right now, after Hamels/Vic/Maybe pence, the only other guy they have an urgent need to sign is Chooch. Everyone else can and probably will get their walking papers after 2013 when their contracts are up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 08, 2012, 01:31:24 PM
bla bla white people speak
lol yea no one ever gets AAA prospects in trades. even if they get an AA prospect, it still allows them to put things in motion for 2014, which should be the goal. they have 180 mil to spend, they arent going to be a second division club for an extended period of time unless they put themselves there, which is possible if they piss away money on hawaiin dumbasses, gawky right fielders who belong in texas and $20 million more on a pitcher.
Quote from: SD on June 08, 2012, 01:22:33 PMVictorino can walk, he's going to get overpaid and money to re-sign him can go elsewhere.
He won't get anywhere near what Hamilton or Bourn are about to get, but the HOF Brown switch to center makes me think he's a goner anyway
I honestly think I'd rather them resign Vic over Pence if it's a choice between the two...Vic's defense is better and he's stealing bases again. And he'll probably be cheaper.
When the Phillies next tv contract is signed they'll never have to worry about payroll again. Ever.
The worrisome issue isn't their payroll, though. It's the fact that they have almost nothing in the minor leagues. Sure, they have pitching coming up, but no position players. The core of the '08 team was almost entirely homegrown.
1. Howard
2. Utley
3. Rollins
4. Chooch
5. Burrell
All home grown.
Hell, you could conceivably add Victorino & Werth into that list considering they were both castoffs from other clubs and were primarily developed in the system.
Is there a single position player in the minors right now that could be anywhere close to any of them? I don't know... maybe there is.
The bottom line is you can't keep buying other teams' pieces and hope for championships to occur. They have to get back to developing their own talent and occasionally sprinkling in the odd free agent here and there. It's just that simple.
jim thome is batting 4th tonight
abort. team. now.
yoooo homers
rev up the playoffs train. chooo chooo
Blanton sucks
but he could get the win tonight
defend this, old people
The beat writers on Twitter with The Wire references and quotes made to fit Phillies players are out of control. Even Jim Salisbury is doing it.
a well deserved win for joe blanton
Sabremetric Todd at it again.
its logicmetric todd, actually. i dont know pecota from babip but i do know that arbitrary outdated stats are arbitrary and outdated.
and they sent down raul valdes for some reason. im sorry but hasnt he been pretty good.
Galvis may have a fracture in his back.
Joy.
well so much for the what are they going to do with galvis when utleys carcass returns talk
and he was pretty much the only quasi interesting thing left on this wretched pos team
Raul Valdes sent to AAA and Pete Orr outrighted.
My ass burns whe I defecate.
Quote from: MDS on June 08, 2012, 10:20:17 PM
its logicmetric todd, actually. i dont know pecota from babip but i do know that arbitrary outdated stats are arbitrary and outdated.
and they sent down raul valdes for some reason. im sorry but hasnt he been pretty good.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/As-the-Bullpen-Turns-Is-Rosenberg-next.html??232221
Chad Qualls still has a job.
Ruben Amaro still has a job.
rosenberg can come to my schtetel for passover sedar anytime
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 08, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Sabremetric Todd at it again.
lol hes something else isnt he
nothing like one roses are red violets are blue hugs and kisses are just for you homer and one hateful negative drunk know it all steppin to.
answer me these 3 questions:
1. why do wins for pitchers matter
2. what does joe blanton getting the win mean
3. what does cliff lee not having a win this year mean
Quote from: Rome on June 08, 2012, 11:16:03 PM
My ass burns whe I defecate.
Mine too, I had these spicy Buffalo Chicken things last night and I've been on the toilet since 530 AM. Ass is on fire.
I've been really eating well lately. I've almost completely cut out fast food, pizza, and other crap, but I had spicy sushi for dinner last night and for the love of Christ my innards were blazing.
Go Phils.
That was part of the problem, I've been eating great, nothing processed, all lean meats and vegetables. I get home last night and there they are sitting there with a pizza. I was like what the hell and had a few. Ass on fire.
Thome went opposite field...2-1 Phils
Jimmy has the other one - shot to right
Great fcking play by Jimmy on a dumb throw by Worley and the ump blows a call.
And it costs them a farging run!
These umpires are atrocious.
he wasnt on the bag
stop babying them you homer
they farging suck
then Luna ties it again on the first pitch
id rather hear easy talk about the soul than listen to wheeler and mccarthy, but the o's guys keep calling schenider snider.
He was on the bag. He dragged his left leg across it.
even if he was it was an awful decision and even worse throw
he looked out to the naked eye and will be called safe 100% of the time. you cant get every call.
gimme your homer goggles and ill give you some tasty haterade
can they please just disband this team
either that or someone deactivate my mlbtv account
7 games out of first and 9 behind Washington in the loss column.
Phillies Phever!
these are better than watching this pos team
http://www.zoowithroy.com/2012/06/some-pcards.html#more
lol at the choke and victorino ones
nats are so much better than the phils its not even funny
I'm about done with Victorino. Good AB with runners in scoring position and one out, farging clown.
so carlos ruiz is back to being carlos ruiz.
also if cliff lee gets the win here does that mean that hes good?
Quote from: MDS on June 10, 2012, 02:17:21 PM
so carlos ruiz is back to being carlos ruiz.
i asked sunny friday night what will be choochs average at the end of the year....he had him at just over .300 i believe....i went with .268
lol
so all those bloopers that magically found space in april and may will continue to for the next 3 months?
chooch is going to fall and is going to fall hard. he is what he is and what he is is a .260ish hitter.
I think he'll end up 285-290
Hopefully Lee can go 8 or 7-2/3 and then go right to Papelbon.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 10, 2012, 02:58:51 PM
Hopefully Lee can go 8 or 7-2/3 and then go right to Papelbon.
lol
double homer J post and the world is lolling at him right now
would paplebon ever be called on to get a seven out save?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
would paplebon ever be called on to get a seven out save?
lol
Way to give it up, Clifford.
when this mess is all over cliff lee giving up the four run lead in the nlds last year will be the defining moment
maybe cliff lee should just pitch until the phillies get a lead, then hand it off to papelbon for something like 5 innings. cause he cant hold shtein.
also how horrendous is gary thorne? he is an old senile man
These fargers are just unbearable to watch right now. I'm watching Ireland play Croatia anyway, but ugh... I shut MLB.TV off after that.
Quote from: MDS on June 10, 2012, 03:12:53 PM
maybe cliff lee should just pitch until the phillies get a lead, then hand it off to papelbon for something like 5 innings. cause he cant hold shtein.
also how horrendous is gary thorne? he is an old senile man
great hockey announcer and thats what he should be doing.....baseball is NOT his thing
steve farging tolleson
what ever happened to don tollefson
i dont know but he dropped a seed when he was like 60
google says he works for the eagles
i remember when it was him and that chalky brotha, billy vargas.
i cant recall the name of it but he used to do that preposterous eagle show with ike.....didnt know he still worked for them
another perfect example today of why wins matter for sp's
yup, cliff lee totally sucks because he never gets the win
what happens if the phillies score a run in the 7th and lee is the pitcher of record? then paplebon blows the save and he doenst get the win?
cliff lee blew a 4-1 lead and the record will show that. thats all you need. if the phillies happen to score a run later or they dont what does that say about him and what he did today? NOTHING
I think Tollefson does PBP for the Eagles pre-season games...I know he did a few years ago and he was awful.
Schiwmer had a good inning. Wow.
it says that your ace SP has to win when hes up 4-1...and if he doesnt do that it MATTERS
you cant be happy with seven strikeouts.....the W is much more important
yes he blew a 4-1 lead, its a poor reflection him and bla bla bla. of course.
but again. its 4-4 in the 7th. lee is done. lets say the phillies get a run in that 7th. now he can get the win. lets say it was 3-1 not 4-1 and the orioles go on to win 4-3. now its a loss. instead its 4-4 and its a no decision. either way lee blew a lead. either way he failed.
it just so happened that he will get a no decision, but it easily could have gone another way. whether or not pierre scores on that wild pitch lee still gives up a 3 run homer. so he gets a ND but not a loss because of that?
its so farging arbitrary. lee had a bad inning and blew a lead. thats why the phillies might lose this game. thats all that matters.
where's that goddamn DID NOT READ thing? Havas - help me out.
Schwimer has the jewfro rockin' today.
its really not arbitrary...a win is a win....and if cliff got one today it would be better for the phillies than his seven strikeouts
but please keep dismissing the most important thing in sports
lol unbelievable ignorance from you flatearths.
just because its something saber nerds like doesnt mean its the worst thing ever. i am not a saber nerd but i am always up to learn new things and get a new perspective on something.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2012, 04:15:15 PM
its really not arbitrary...a win is a win....and if cliff got one today it would be better for the phillies than his seven strikeouts
but please keep dismissing the most important thing in sports
that doesnt make any sense. if cliff lee gets a win its OUT OF HIS HANDS AND HIS CONTROL.
what difference does it make if the phillies win 5-4 with a run in 7th, 9th or 10th? a win is a win. meanwhile cliff lee blew a 4-1 run lead and whether or not the phillies win or lose this game that is still evident.
what im saying is if that run comes in the 7th the win goes to lee. if it comes in the 9th it goes to schwimmer. what does that have to do with the pitchers?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 10, 2012, 04:10:12 PM
where's that goddamn DID NOT READ thing? Havas - help me out.
Schwimer has the jewfro rockin' today.
schiwm looking fantastic today
Quote from: MDS on June 10, 2012, 04:16:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2012, 04:15:15 PM
its really not arbitrary...a win is a win....and if cliff got one today it would be better for the phillies than his seven strikeouts
but please keep dismissing the most important thing in sports
that doesnt make any sense. if cliff lee gets a win its OUT OF HIS HANDS AND HIS CONTROL.
pretty sure that three run homer he gave up to a minor leaguer was in his control
lol you are a buffoon
yes. for the 100000th time he blew a 4-1 lead and that is...wait for it...not good. thats all you need to know about his performance today. he had a 3 run lead and he coughed it up. whether or not the phillies win or whether or not he was the pitcher of record when they got the winning run is irrelevant in judging lee's performance. he blew a 3 run lead and that is the kind of day he had.
why do you need a farging w/l at the end to tell you he blew a 3 run lead?
you need your SP's to get wins.....period...
to think that doesnt matter or that its not big deal is the foundation of retardedness
phillies definitely wanted to go into their zesty bullpen for the second straight day
Papelbon not warming with a runner on 2nd and one out
Is he hurt too?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 10, 2012, 04:35:30 PM
Papelbon not warming with a runner on 2nd and one out
Is he hurt too?
he stinks when he doesnt have a lead
savery being brought in against a plethora of right handed hitters will definitely end well
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2012, 04:33:27 PM
you need your SP's to get wins.....period...
to think that doesnt matter or that its not big deal is the foundation of retardedness
phillies definitely wanted to go into their zesty bullpen for the second straight day
lol i never said any of that
i said cliff lee pitched poorly and blew a 4-1 lead and that is the take away from his performance. when and if the phillies take the lead and if that happens to be when lee is the pitcher of record doesnt mean anything to how lee pitched.
say it with me now: team. stat.
team. stat.
farging funholes
8 farging games back now.
Sorry ass pieces of farging shtein
ANother loss because of defense...Wigginton's butchered ball allowed Jones to get on.
goddamn
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 10, 2012, 04:46:53 PM
8 farging games back now.
does it matter?
you cant possibly think they ever had a chance at winning the division this year.....or did you?
oh he did, he was one of the super homers to pick them to win the world series
oh yeah i forgot about that list....can you post it again for shteins and giggles
find it yourself flag
i just found cliffs lee's win total for the year
zero
but it doesnt matter
nope. its:
the phillies are bad SO cliff lee doesnt have any wins
not
cliff lee doesnt have any wins SO the phillies are bad
but the thing is you dont need cliff lee's arbitrary w/l record to tell you his team stinks.
yeah cliff lee had nothing to do with not getting cliff lee a win today
of course he did
but they could have scored another run. they could have played better defense. cliff lee could have not blown a 4-1 lead.
but those things all happened because this team isnt good. and a win/loss record for 1 of the starters didnt tell me that.
but i guess joe blanton deserved a win on friday. or something.
Quote from: MDS on June 10, 2012, 04:50:05 PM
oh he did, he was one of the super homers to pick them to win the world series
That list is never to be mentioned again.
No one could have foreseen how poorly they were going to hit or how badly the bullpen was going to suck. They won 104 games last year, for God's sake. Now this?
Stop it.
actually everyone without red sunglasses saw it
youd have to literally be blind to not have
ill fully admit i was probably a year early on calling for the apocolypse but jesus this year was in your face obvious
They're going to lose 25-30 games more than last year. With the starting pitching they have I'd say the results so far are absolutely astounding. I detailed it earlier in the thread, dude. Every player is having a career worst year except Ruiz. I thought they would tread water at maybe 5-10 games over .500 until Utley & Howard returned then they would turn it on and run away with it. It's not going to happen now because they've performed far worse than anyone expected.
But honestly, you know you were trolling at the beginning and are now taking credit for being right. It's what you do and that's fine.
So again, stop it.
trolling to you is being honest about your teams when its in a negative fashion...thats why you are true blue homer and i respect that....but i have never and will never "troll"
I'm as critical as anyone. They won 104 games last year. One. Hundred. Four. No one legitimately expected this disaster to unfold like this. You can take credit for being "right" if you like but you know you're full of shtein for doing so, dude.
its a cliche but it also true....every season is a new year....it doesnt mater what you did last year....especially when you have an entire roster gettng really old all at the same time
you are a small picture homer who looks at things like previous year wins and losses....im a big picture hater who looks at things like rosters....player ages...stats....lineups ect...
lol tread water until utley and howard get back. oh my god how naive are you.
lets run down how their roster looked before 1 game was played
c: ruiz = career .260 hitter, oldish and slow
1b: wiggerton = career loser, oldish and slow
2b: galvis = AAA player with a great glove, horrible bat, not even close to seasoned but kinda promising
ss: jimmy = pimp god but on downside of his career
3b: polanco = was old and washed up last year, only gonna get worse from here
lf: mayberry = 28 year old who has never put it together
cf: victorino = dumbass hawaiin, though reasonable to expect the same as usual from him
rf: pence = dumbass texan, though reasonable to expect the same as usual from him
bench:
schenider = lol
thome = lolololol
pierre = slap hitting singles hitter with horrid defense
nix = washington national reject
orr = lololololololololololol
rotation
doc = has thrown 60000 pitches in his career, figure he was due to regress/wear down
lee = fine
hamels = fine
worley = fine
blanton = fat mediocre waste of space
bullpen
papelboner = overpaid but fine
tony b = fine
truck = 65 year old cuban coming off serious injury. lol
qualls = run of the mill veteran relief pitcher. who knows what youll get.
stutes = could be bad, could be good. well see
kendrick = long man, spot duty, whatever. he is what he is.
savery = lol.
now what part of that roster did you expect to "tread water." throw in a retarded manager incapable of doing anything but playing for the 3 run homer and what you see is what you get.
they suck and all non homers knew it was coming.
you left out the worst game day manager in baseball....but otherwise nice breakdown
it is what it is....and its time for everyone to recognize
gonna be a big time down era for phillies baseball for the next four five years
Todd, where was that post in April? Dead on. How true about Victorino and Pence. Two dudes about as smart as a bag of rocks. The every once a week 3 for 4 at the plate, spectacular defensive play game is followed by the five consecutive head scratching, what in the farg were you thinking performances. One knuckle head per roster is enough to deal with but two is excruciatingly painful.
they hustle tho
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2012, 07:49:16 PMgonna be a big time down era for phillies baseball for the next four five years
maybe, maybe not
what they do with hamels, victorino, pence, doc, utley, etc. will be telling. they have a chance to get things in order for 2014 but first amaro needs to wake up to reality and second he needs to make the right trades
they have no chance to do that no matter who they keep or dont keep
they are incredibly old.....the whole team....they make the right moves and they can set a foundation for down the road success....but lol at them having a good team in two years
They've got 115 million dollars to spend on 2014...they could certainly be competitive.
2014 their team could be:
c- ?, 1b - choke, 2b - ?, ss - galvis, 3b - ?, lf - ? , cf - ?, rf - ?
sp - lee, worley, ?, ?, ?
pen - pap, basticho, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?
bench - ?, ?, ?, ?, ?
lots of questions marks. well see what they do. they have too much money to just think its going to be over for 4-5 years.
These were my predictions:
QuoteWins 92
Marlins Wins 90
Nationals Wins 87
Where do the Phillies finish in the final division standings 1st
Big 3 Wins (Roy, Cliff, Cole) 51
Runs scored for season 645
Papelbon Net Saves (Saves - blown saves) 28 (34-6)
How many ABs does Dom Brown get 125
Games played Utley 80
Games played Howard 95
Does Cole sign an extension before end of season No
Hunter Pence HR/RBI 22/90
When does season end for Phils Division Series to whoever becomes the WFC
Yeah, I overestimated the win total by a lot – probably about 12-15 wins. As of now, they're playing on a 75-win pace. Give or take, that's probably about where they'll finish. Maybe a bit better if Halladay comes back – maybe a bit worse if he doesn't come back effectively - but no way in my mind do they catch up to my win prediction.
Here is what I wrote before the first game:
QuoteThis year the Phils definitely fall back to the pack a bit. Unlike last year, where there was pretty much no doubt from day one about who would win the division, this year some begins to creep in. Not to go all IGY, but anyone that says that there is no chance the Phils fall this season just isn't looking at the totality of the situation. It's not just that the Phils are weaker - they are, especially offensively. The rest of the division (sans the Mets) are just getting better, particularly the Marlins and Nats. The Braves might be stagnant or a little better - the severity of the injury to Hudson will go a long way in determining their fate.
I'm no Nostradamus – I think that paragraph accurately reflects what most of us felt going into this season. The Phils are an aging team – and perhaps more quickly than the actual numbers would point to. Injuries are curtailing the effectiveness of Utley when he can get into the lineup. Polanco would be shot if he were a horse. Howard is going to try to come back from an Achilles injury – that could permanently sap his power, and power is all he really has. Otherwise, he's a below-average player. Halladay is flirting with a shoulder injury that they are trying to portray as "not serious," when too often those type of injuries end up being season-enders. Cliff Lee can't buy a win for 25 million dollars.
I don't see them going all Titanic (i.e. a 90+ loss season). Offensively it may be that caliber of a team – worse than we even supposed in March, but I don't see the starting pitching letting it fall to that level. Right now, they're the textbook definition of mediocre.
The future? We'll see...
Season's over. Time to move on.
i personally like the igy reference
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120610_Its__time_to_face_facts__Phillies_are_bad.html
sheridan nails it
i love how manuel refuses to use papelbon unless there is a lead. gotta save his arm for october?
jesus christ sheridan is late to the party
Time for Eskin to start another rumble.
Jorge Soler signs with the Cubs for 9 years, $30 million
phillies were involved but couldn't outbid the cubs. another amaro fail
I'm sure this will come as no surprise to anyone on this board:
QuoteThe Phillies are dead last in baseball with a 38 percent success rate when batting with runners on third and less than two outs. They have batted 117 times with that situation and only 45 have yielded a run in some way, whether it be via a hit, groundout or sacrifice fly.
That is the worst rate for any team since at least 1948.
Situation that.
Well Don, I'm shocked. I mean they fired Milt Thompson awhile back for The Guru Greg Gross. And surely he would emphasize situational hitting, right?
Grit starts his rehab tomorrow.
Milt Thompson was the first person I thought of. Hopefully he's giving the double middle finger salute to Heir Smugness.
8.5 games out for the first time in five years.
Ruben Amaro is God.
besides the asinine choke contract play armchair gm and tell me what he was supposed to do to make them good this year
maybe at some point down the line you realize they never had a shot. you want lee. you want halladay. you wanted pence. you wanted oswalt. you didnt want to pay werth.
this is what you get.
Please.
His bullpen moves? The LF situation?
that wouldnt make a god damn difference in the world. they would still suck. maybe they wouldnt be an abortion, but theyd be in the least mediocre.
for the 1000th time please understand that this thing is over and was over after the choke job last year in the nlds. they gave it a shot, it didnt work, you take your lumps and you move on.
right now its basically 1999. we are on training camp countdown, just like the good ol days of greg jefferies and mark portugal.
No.
so what...trade cesar hernandez for kevin youkilis and try to win the world series?
are you drunk
it also doesnt help that they have the best young franchise in baseball in their own division who also have as much money
This team is significantly worse than I expected them to be.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 12, 2012, 12:57:11 PM
This team is significantly worse than I expected them to be.
Me too. My overly optimistic view of them in the beginning of the season was that they'd be a .500 team until Grit and Choke came back and would be in position to make a 2nd half surge. I guess that's what they did for the first 2 months, but they simply aren't good enough to even sustain mediocrity for more than 60 days. And when you add in Lee and Doc injuries, it's just a recipe for disaster. Meh, whatever. It was a good run. Sad thing about it though is it should have been a great run.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i121/halfdecentneverdied/qualls-whoopsie.gif)
world series train allllll aboard
first stop: a team with mike fontenot and micheal martinez in the same lineup
They're getting smoked by the goddamn Twins. The shteintingly awful TWINS!
I walked in and turned on the TV as soon as Kendrick gave up the 2R shot.
farging shteinbags
3 1/2 months of listening to Wheels and TMac get through this shtein show is going to be as rough as watching what's dumped out there every night on the field by Amaro Waste Management. I need to start listening to the other teams broadcasts. Dammit, I paid for the MLB premium package I'd better take advantage of it.
5-0
I hope Mr Amaro is enjoying his evening.
"Kyle's not fooling anybody". What a farging brilliant observation.
But they fool us - because we still watch every goddamn night.
Maybe a bridge will collapse again there...with the team bus on it.
Jesus farging Christ wheels....
"Beautiful up here....a lotta lakes!"
Really?
That is exactly what I meant. I can't take three more months of .400 baseball and these comments by Professor Wheeler.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2012, 09:00:56 PM
But they fool us - because we still watch every goddamn night.
Maybe a bridge will collapse again there...with the team bus on it.
That or Garrison Keillor drowns them all in Lake Wobegon.
lol
Well lookey what we have here, gents. A BALLGAME
And Kendrick comes out and gives up a run.
Good shutdown inning, pal.
Look mom! Hunter Pence farged up again.
Good play you farging funhole.
Edit - and it costs them a run! farg!
If Pence plays that to a single then they get a inning ending DP but now its 7-4....
Dumb motherfarger
Need a hug?
More like an ice pick to gouge my eyes out.
MAAAyberry knocks in a run! Success with a runner on 3rd and 1 out!
Pence needs to make up for his dumbfargery here. GET A HIT
BIG JIM!!!!!!
lolololol the Phils score and get it close and then these farging clown pitchers give up runs immediately after.
HR Twins
9-7
PS there was a blown call that cost the Phils a run - Twinkie missed 3rd earlier
holy shtein J is off the charts
misplaced anger combined with child like homerism = hysterical
thread ban this dude please.
This thread is half baseball talk and half todd whining about baseball talk
Quote from: MDS on June 12, 2012, 10:28:56 PM
holy shtein J is off the charts
misplaced anger combined with child like homerism = hysterical
Big Todd!!
Another two out run for the Twins.
Oh well...fun while it lasted.
what was?
The hope they'd win a goddamn game.
News flash.....this IronPig bullpen farging blows
Phillies fan catches a foul ball that Fontenot should have had - batter then singles in another run.
Back to a 4R lead.
corksuckers
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2012, 10:50:29 PM
The hope they'd win a goddamn game.
lol whats one win going to do for you
they will win tons of games from here to october, but the total will be significantly less than the nationals
MAAAyberry just looked dumb at the plate - another shocker.
Pence too. Get that bum outta town
Victorino too...when is the last time that farging jerk had a good game? He first pitch swings at everything and always pops up
Phanatic being sued for dumping a funhole into a pool (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/12/us-usa-court-phanatic-idUSBRE85B15820120612)
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 12, 2012, 11:17:13 PM
Phanatic being sued for dumping a funhole into a pool (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/12/us-usa-court-phanatic-idUSBRE85B15820120612)
funhole is appropriate here.....what part WASN'T injred?
Her funhole, apparently
another funhole from abington
big shock
2-9 in June.
Quote from: MDS on June 12, 2012, 10:28:56 PM
holy shtein J is off the charts
misplaced anger combined with child like homerism = hysterical
thinking an obviously zesty team was going to win the world series is the time being a homer is the hardest
we got like 10 of em here
im actually going back to philly today so maybe ill get a sense if that was the general consensus in the town but i cant see how anyone thought they were going to do anything this year. best case scenario was 86ish wins with a playoff spot should the rest of the division/league suck.
obviously thats not the case since the nationals are off the charts good
actually the best case scenario was third place....clearly the division was going to be good and more importantly much improved
most likely, yes
but you never really know. i was thinking that if all went right they could be in the mid 80s and maybe that puts them in the race if other teams fall off.
as it turns out no one fell off and the phillies arent winning 75 games let alone 85
imagine last years team in a much better division....
then take choke and grit off it
then make the bullpen worse
then think that one of clifford or halladay is gonna start to break down
thats where we were in march and thats what we are getting now...none of this was surprising in the least and actually most of it was all to predictable
Bases loaded, no outs, Thome up................
ah farg you.
Walters gets pulled after 4 consecutive singles
Victorino will be lucky to even collect food stamps next season. Impatient idiot. You go Mr. Payday.
Goddamn Mikey Mart! Nice D.
A six run inning? That's more rare than MDS getting laid.
Great play by Mike Mike.
Galvis' injury was confirmed.
lol at Wheels showing frustration on the air. When Mike Mike threw that ball away he says "ah sheesh" and in his way rips him. The. He backhandedly rips him again by complementing Polancos decision not to throw home.
Holy farging shtein at that bomb by Thome!
Dead center over the batters eye!!
Apparently Galvis will be in a back brace for three weeks.
And Hamels is getting gopher-ball-itis.
Jesus christ can they stop the Twins from scoring?
Come on, Ace $200M man!
Vagina effected by the moist lake air.
Here come da IronPigs.
Four starts in a row he's given up four or more runs. Wonder if the stress is getting to him or if he's dealing with a dead arm.
He's been hanging out with Victorino to much.
7 runs allowed by Heidi.
5 straight on this inning....9-3 to 9-7 in a quickness.
farg
I have the feeling that the Phils aren't leaving this inning with the lead.
Any doubt they lose this game?
Wheels just called them a train wreck. Even HE is losing his cool.
lol
My god what a shtein show.
Quote from: SD on June 13, 2012, 10:29:24 PM
Any doubt they lose this game?
I was surprised that Willingham didn't homer. Inning ain't over, though...
9-8. Any chance Pap goes 2 innings?
Thank farging god I was on the phone for most of that inning as I would have hit someone/something.
Qualls up. 10 out here we come.
I can't wait to see Qualls come in and get lit
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 13, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
Wheels just called them a train wreck. Even HE is losing his cool.
I missed that. That would have made my season.
Quote from: Don Ho on June 13, 2012, 10:41:20 PM
Thank farging god I was on the phone for most of that inning as I would have hit someone/something.
Qualls up. 10 out here we come.
They're not worth breaking anything, Don. Go surfing!
Qualls can't even strike out the side and keep men off base!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 13, 2012, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on June 13, 2012, 10:41:20 PM
Thank farging god I was on the phone for most of that inning as I would have hit someone/something.
Qualls up. 10 out here we come.
They're not worth breaking anything, Don. Go surfing!
I contemplated sneaking out for a session but stayed back in the office to finish some work and watch this debacle. Smart choice huh?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 13, 2012, 10:54:05 PM
Qualls can't even strike out the side and keep men off base!
How classic would that have been if Span bombed one out.
Bases loaded no outs and they're about to go scoreless. These bums deserve to lose.
Quote from: SD on June 13, 2012, 11:08:24 PM
Bases loaded no outs and they're about to go scoreless. These bums deserve to lose.
That's what they do best - NOT score with runners on.
cocks...yep, there it is
Todd and IGY are right. They really do suck.
I almost wish it was worth rooting for them to lose so they could get a better draft pick.
Nice catch
They're still zesty
They accidentally won.
Papelbon may be the sole Phil (other than Ruiz, who has exceeded and maybe Galvis) to do what he was supposed to do this season. And I wasn't happy with that signing because he had shown some lost velocity last season.
How sad is it that there's 10 teams worse than them right now....and one of them is the Tigers?
Lol @ cole hamels getting the win
Enough. Old people, stubborn ignoramouses please grow up.
Thome's home run yesterday was majestic.
Chunky goes deep!
And Jugs Machine Joe is giving it right back
Thome is on fire
Amazing. Thought it was all over a month ago for Thome. Only Phillie worth watching bat right now.
Victorino as painful as ever.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2012, 08:44:26 PM
And Jugs Machine Joe is giving going to give it right back
OH farg! Wheels with his Prince commentary.
It amazes me how poor umpiring has been. Every night these guys are missing calls. That ball Wigginton hit was right on the line. Phil Cuzzi probably has a chunk of chalk in his eye from it jumping up but yet he calls it foul (this was earlier in the game).
Victorino has become dreadful to watch. Apparently HOF Brown went down with an injury tonight.
HA! Fatty!! Complete game. What ya say Cliff?
[mds]Joe Blanton doesn't deserve that win! What say you elders?![/mds]
lol i guess tonight the arcane stat made sense, congrats?
and are all the homers back IN now that they won 2 in a row? were they ever really out?
Toronto just lost another starter to a blown-out elbow....the 3rd of the week. (Drabek needs another Tommy John surgery. no mock)
Howard hit 2 homers yesterday and Doc did some soft toss today with Dubee.
That throw by Fontenot?
farging awful.
Good play, cock.
Side goes K K K
Ruiz hurt himself swinging.
Looks like an oblique.
Beautiful
Happy 2012. Apocalypse began sooner than expected.
Friday, mid June and we get:
jRoll
Pierre
Spaz
Grandpa
Pineapple
Schneider
Wigs
French farg
Mikey Mart
Do you smell what I smell?
BOO!
Spectacular effort.
This team needs to sign Dane Sardinha!
Actually they should sign Manny Ramirez.
Why the farg not.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
Spectacular effort.
This team needs to sign Dane Sardinha!
Lol effort. Yea, mike fontenot just needs to try harder. That's the fix.
Quote from: MDS on June 15, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
Spectacular effort.
This team needs to sign Dane Sardinha!
Lol effort. Yea, mike fontenot just needs to try harder. That's the fix.
Sarcasm meter broken?
As broken as a team playing mike fontenot and Michael Martinez.
Give. Up. It's. Over.
QuoteTORONTO — The left side of Antonio basticho's face looks as if he entered a boxing ring, but he merely stepped foot in the weight room Wednesday. It was after he allowed a run to Minnesota and he was not pleased with his effort.
He took his anger out on a squat machine, which returned the favor. He required stitches to close a large cut above his left eye, which was nearly swollen shut after Friday's game.
basticho insisted he could see out of the eye, and demonstrated by covering his right one and pretending to punch a reporter in the face. But he was not available to pitch Friday barring an emergency situation and could need a few more days to recover.
A large bandage covers the gash.
Squat machine? I'm trying to picture this and it's quite a disturbing image I'm getting.
i know its a broken record but the phillie broadcasts are an abomination on every level....you think at some point it has to stop getting worse but it never does...when you would rather watch in silence by muting your home teams broadcast its as bad as it gets
there cant be a worse announcing tandem in sports history than wheels and mcarthy can there?
It would be hard to find one.
Even the generic teams of some of the opposing teams I watch are fine because they're just guys.
I do find the Nats and Marlins teams more annoying though. So Wheels and TMac are third worst. I do love Sarge though.
The inability of this staff to have a shutdown inning after they have a good offensive half is infuriating.
oh jesus wheels and mcarthy are the worst baseball announcers ever much less right now....i was asking if they are the worst in the history of sports
the nationals announcers might be worse in a technical sense but they arent even on the same planet as far as being annoying...dan carpenter is a disgrace of epicness and is still easily better than mcarthy....thats just how bad carts is
Scott Graham was Mel Allen compared to T-Mac. And Wheels has always been brutal. This isn't news.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2012, 01:44:07 PM
i know its a broken record but the phillie broadcasts are an abomination on every level....you think at some point it has to stop getting worse but it never does...when you would rather watch in silence by muting your home teams broadcast its as bad as it gets
there cant be a worse announcing tandem in sports history than wheels and mcarthy can there?
The beauty of mlb.tv is that you can get the radio guys overlayed with the picture.
Ja'boo is very very mad at Cliff Lee.
They farging blow
Dumbest team in baseball. Speaking of broken records, nice work Cliff.
Glad I decided to go out and not waste the afternoon watching these funholes.
only 3 years and 72 mil (plus a 13 mil buyout) left for clifford
What about jimmy
2-22
well worth the world series he won the city
i havent been upset one single time this whole year cause i knew they would suck but the one thing i cant get over is how farging bad of a manager chuckles is
how many times is he going to refuse to bring paplebon in non save situation...someone needs to tell him that the phillies dont win close late games anymore...EVER
its not 2007 so bring in your 51 million dollar closer in some of these games to extend it.....especially when hes pitched like four times in the last three weeks.....joe savery and co. are NOT getting it done...
It's mind boggling but yet moot.
Bringing in pap just delays the inevitable. They can't manufacture runs and their bullpen sucks, therefore they won't win many close games. Also, who made the decision to send down valdes instead of savery? Its small but good lord is savery awful.
i agree they probably will lose anyway...but when you are farging 10 games out of first and desperate why wouldnt you reach out and do something that isnt on your laminated bench card....the farging guy has less than a handful of innings under his belt this month and is getting paid 51 mil...i think he can pitch in a tie game over joe farging savery
I dont doubt that. It just doesnt matter to me. they suck and i hate them
i think everyone does cept jay
Saw a stat today where they're 0-16 in games when Savery appears.
but lets keep running him out there over the 51 million dollar savior
the fact that savery even has 16 appearences is all you need to know about this season
0-16! The stupidity of this organization gets worse every day.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 17, 2012, 01:44:51 AM
...but when you are farging 10 games out of first and desperate why wouldnt you reach out and do something that isnt on your laminated bench card....the farging guy has less than a handful of innings under his belt this month and is getting paid 51 mil...i think he can pitch in a tie game over joe farging savery
Absolutely. 10 games out and these knitwits aren't chasing one team they're chasing four. Get desperate for Christ's sake.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120617_Inside_the_Phillies__Q_A_with_Phillies_general_manager_Ruben_Amaro_Jr_.html
BLOW. IT. UP.
Worst part of being in philly- forced into tmac and wheeler.
farg me they are horrendous
i will never listen to them again...ill occasionally unmute when sarge is on but thats it im done
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 17, 2012, 12:23:22 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120617_Inside_the_Phillies__Q_A_with_Phillies_general_manager_Ruben_Amaro_Jr_.html
QuoteI'm also pleased with the way some of the guys in our bullpen have stepped up. We're in a position now where everyone expects us to throw nothing but zeros up there every single time out, but there have been times where guys like Joe Savery have come and pitched pretty darn well. Jake Diekman has done well and they have had their struggles, but that's all part of the learning process.
Yeah. He's been super.
thats the same thing he said about stutes and schwimmer last year
Lol tmac says the only good part of this weekend is they haven't lost any ground to the nationals. Wow. Now you know why j, donho and Rome are such unequivocal homers.
Nice start today.
Looks like it will mean I can go enjoy the day soon
Thome with his 100th as a Phillie.
Thomer?
Thome Run?
MAAAyberry heating up. He hits a Thome Run too!
Thome's been swinging a hot stick lately. Too bad it's all for naught.
Is there a dumber player in the bigs than Victorino?
He gets doubled off second on a fly out to right.
Then again...it's been so long since hes been on base that he probably forgot what to do.
farging bonehead.
I can't wait to shout things at them on Tuesday
Victorino's dumb play ends an inning
Blue Jays score the next inning.
Pence can't get a hit with runners on and ends an inning.
Blue Jays score on a huge homer from Rasmus.
5-2.
They lost. Ho hum.
This season is seriously careening toward utter disaster now. Amazing.
Quote from: MDS on June 17, 2012, 01:24:28 PM
Lol tmac says the only good part of this weekend is they haven't lost any ground to the nationals. Wow. Now you know why j, donho and Rome are such unequivocal homers.
Just wait until Doc, Grit and Choke get back! They'll only be 8.5 out on September 30.
Quote from: Rome on June 17, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
This season is seriously careening toward utter disaster now. Amazing.
Almost? Whatever, youre almost there. so close!
Quote from: Rome on June 17, 2012, 04:48:32 PM
This season is seriously careening toward utter disaster now. Amazing.
holy shtein homers are the best
After the last 2 weeks, I'm actually amazed they were able to play .500 ball for the first 2 months. How bad is it that they were overachieving and still in last place?
it wasnt bad it was expected
Lost 12 of 15
15 errors in the last 11 games.
Yeah boy!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 17, 2012, 06:42:04 PM
Lost 12 of 15
15 errors in the last 11 games.
Yeah boy!
They miss Freddy Galvis.
Homers quiz
True or false
1. Will they win the world series?
2. Can they win the world series?
Quote from: MDS on June 17, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
Homers quiz
True or false
1. Will they win the world series?
2. Can they win the world series?
1. See #2.
2. The answer is a quite literal NO.
So I guess Freddy's back broke from too many roids. He just got suspended 50 games
BUM BUM BUM BUM BWWAAAHHHHHH
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 19, 2012, 05:16:38 PM
So I guess Freddy's back broke from too many roids. He just got suspended 50 games
Damn. There goes his HOF chances.
Consecutive sell out streak has got to end this series.
If the Freddy Galvises of the world start getting banned for 50 games it's time to legalize everything. It's just ridiculous.
Quote from: Don Ho on June 19, 2012, 08:06:11 PM
Consecutive sell out streak has got to end this series.
Yeah right. They will keep that thing going, real or not.
MAAAyberry goes yard again.
And wtf did Galvis take? Pixie Dust?
WTF is this pull the starters after 75 pitches bullshtein with Jim Tracy? They're 16 farging games back!
Holy farg Pence. That pitch was 5 feet above the strike zone.
They tacked runs on! Make it safe for Qualls to come in.
Wtf is with Ruiz growing a mullet
clutch hitting has been an issue at times but in general the offense has far exceeded expectations this year...pitching has been a bigger problem
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 19, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
clutch hitting has been an issue at times but in general the offense has far exceeded expectations this year...pitching has been a bigger problem
Truth. The O, after the first few weeks, actually exceeded expectations. The pitching shtein the bed.
Typical lame crowd
Late to arrive, early to leave, doing the wave. Blow up this team and the pos fans inside the bank
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 19, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
clutch hitting has been an issue at times but in general the offense has far exceeded expectations this year...pitching has been a bigger problem
They have the third-most hits in baseball. It's only the situational hitting that has been terrible.
In general the whole team is underperforming their stats. Psychological/bad coaching/bad luck -- take your pick or combo.
mostly they are just old as shtein and just about every single player on the team is getting worse by the season not better and its all happening at once
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 19, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
clutch hitting has been an issue at times but in general the offense has far exceeded expectations this year...pitching has been a bigger problem
yup, they are averaging 5 runs per game since may 1st
Situational hitting is just a seamhead phrase for clutch, right?
situational is advancing a runner by hitting to the right side
clutch is driving a runner in with two outs late in the game
lol - c'mon, man!
Hook. Line. Sinker.
Keep an eye on Roman Quinn over the next few years. The kid plays SS for Williamsport and scored from 2nd on a grounder to 3rd last night.
Willie Mays Hayes?
So, a guy who runs the bases aggressively is the Phils' most exciting prospect?
Quote from: rjs246 on June 20, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
Willie Mays Hayes?
If he's like the Wesley Snipes WMH, I'm in. But if it's Omar Epps, then I am out.
What if he's like Omar from The Wire?
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2012, 03:08:22 PM
So, a guy who runs the bases aggressively is the Phils' most exciting prospect?
After that Pence trade, pretty much, yeah
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2012, 03:08:22 PM
So, a guy who runs the bases aggressively is the Phils' most exciting prospect?
In the no-roids era, yes. Except Galvis, but he's on roids.
Wheels is temporarily out of my dog house after his Don Draper, Madmen reference about the dude in the stands with the shirt, tie and dark glasses.
Love Sarge calling out this buffoon Tracy and his 75 pitch limit.
If anyone wants to know why Charlie Manuel is an awful manager, check out this game
HOLY farg! Papelbon's alive! Thought he went AWOL.
Quote from: Don Ho on June 20, 2012, 09:49:01 PM
HOLY farg! Papelbon's alive! Thought he went AWOL.
Maybe he still is.
Johnny Papsmear in a non-save situation = LOL
BOO!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
Johnny Papsmear in a non-save situation = LOL
:-D Perfect.
How textbook a loss is this?
Mediocre starting pitching? Check
Offense shuts down after the 4th? Check
The bullpen gives it up? Check
Manuel manages like a retard? Check
and it's against the Colorado farging Rockies
Holy shtein! Wigs and the Spaz!!
Winnington and Spazzy!!
Wow.
Goddamn Wheels and his no doubles defense schtick makes me want to kill people
Dumb farging luck wiggerton was going on that
Come on, give papelbon a win!
Let's see if Pineapple Head can do something for once
Chances of a pop-up to second base? 70%
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2012, 10:13:00 PM
Winnington and Spazzy!!
Wow.
Goddamn Wheels and his no doubles defense schtick makes me want to kill people
Oh my god I cannot stomach this. Get me back to texas please
Todd, you're to young to remember but J does not Wigginton look like Ron Cey from the Dodgers running around the base paths! farging almost like Newman from Seinfeld.
This game is one colossal battle of suck.
OMG, this is beyond lucky. Vic praying to the almighty Tiki god.
Bah, still 70% chance of pop-up to second.
Ha, fitting way to end this game. Colorado sucked more tonight.
How appropriate.
Quote from: Don Ho on June 20, 2012, 10:15:53 PM
Todd, you're to young to remember but J does not Wigginton look like Ron Cey from the Dodgers running around the base paths! farging almost like Newman from Seinfeld.
Oh yeah he was motoring in a very distinct style.
Amazing win.
Amazing in the sense that the Rockies farged up Phillies style to hand them the win.
Nice.
guy behind the Rockies dugout yelling shtein at the pitcher sorta looked like igs, but why would he be there on a Wednesday against Colorado?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2012, 10:17:17 PM
This game is one colossal battle of suck.
Oh my god I know. Papelbon coughs up a run against the bottom of the worst team in baseballs order, then their defense and luck give them a win.
And papelbon got the win, too. What an important stat.
You know who doesn't win?
The posters of CF when you go Billy Beane on us.
Billy beane = vorp, pecota, babip
Logic = wins are a meaningless stat for pitcher
20 pushups for Willie Mays Rollins.
this is like the worst game ever
Used up all my Qualls rants. What a joke.
Shocking!
- lead off double
- Spaz being Spaz
- Man on third
- Pineapple being Pineapple
are the homers tearing up their world series tickets again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl9BfXozuu0
11:00 - 14:00 is so very pimp
Quote from: MDS on June 21, 2012, 10:13:53 PM
are the homers tearing up their world series tickets again?
ripping them apart, or sobbing all over them?
Yes.
for the homers it goes in simple cycles
win 2 games against the rockies = dreaming of october
follow with a loss = its all over
Quote from: MDS on June 21, 2012, 10:13:53 PM
are the homers tearing up their world series tickets again?
Just our NL Wild Card play in game tickets.
The clock on choke's rehab starts Monday
QuoteBefore the season started, Victorino boasted he'd lead the league in triples as part of a national ad campaign for Major League Baseball. Through 71 games, he doesn't even lead the Phillies. Juan Pierre has three and Victorino has two.
Pineapple to sit tonight. Triple A gets start in CF.
This is looking like a legit predicition.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 04, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
Games played Howard = 40
This is not.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 04, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
Games played Utley = 85
And I'd rather not talk about the rest of them.
Any chance this game gets played?
Hello? Is this thing on?
go play tickle monster, sandusky
Todd, weren't you going to the game tonight?
Looks like Armageddon on the AccuWeather radar.
There was a torrential down pour with thunderstorms for a good hour or so. It's raining off and on and there's still thunderstorms. I think tonights game is a long shot.
"They're saying" 8:45 start.
i went on tuesday and the atmosphere was lame. they should destroy the bank tonight with the pos fanbase and this pos team in it
I got to watch the Lidge clincher and Maddin cook a shteinload of spaghetti.
Super
Juan Pierre 3R shot.
:sly
he now has more meaningful homers that ty wiggerton
Sure this 2 run cushion is all the bullpen needs with 4 innings left.
I love the way Pierre plays. He's the new (despite being 34) GRIT.
And that is why I hated him as a Marlin - because he did the little things well and always hurt the Phils.
its great when he gets on base every time hes up but even with a .360 obp a singles hitter who is a disaster on defense isnt really someone you should play, especially at corner outfield
some times itll work out where hell lead off innings but you cant always get that. hes a pretty valuable bench guy who you can plug into a certain spot 1-2 a week and figure, alright, hes got a 36% of getting on base here.
back in the day when he had a .400+ obp, could steal 60 bases and was decent to average in cf, he was a great player. now hes none of those things.
Cold Shower Orodenker. BOW TO GRIT II
lol at this inning....its never easy. Loaded with 0 outs and a 3R lead
basticho trying to dance out of the shteinstorm of his own making. Watch Pena hit a slam here.
i was in love with pierre when he was on the marlins back in 04, but now he really shouldnt be in a everyday player. though if it makes you feel any better he is 9 million times better than ty wiggerton
can someone please kill every last member of this wretched team
Damn I love it when they boo these brain dead fargtards. Damn you Papelhardon.
lollercoaster
Thome!!!
Countdown to Todd talking about Palelbon's win...
3....2.....1
Papelbon get the farg away from that celebration you icehole.
i already messaged you, no sense in educating people who dont want to learn
but if this game doesnt prove how meaningless records for pitchers are i dont know what does.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 23, 2012, 07:51:21 PM
Countdown to Todd talking about Palelbon's win...
3....2.....1
i would have rather he lost...because losses mean the same as wins
can we also talk about worleys awesome loss the other night?...one of the best losses ever
is it possible for you to separate team from the individual?
Quote@ryanlawrence21: After blowing save, Papelbon came in clubhouse and said he'd give $5K to whoever walked it off. He already wrote out a check to Jim Thome.
Quote from: MDS on June 23, 2012, 07:52:37 PM
i already messaged you, no sense in educating people who dont want to learn
but if this game doesnt prove how meaningless records for pitchers are i dont know what does.
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thats my mormon geo
what up darkness
seamhead nerds have to yell at the top of their lungs because they think they have nothing going for them in life cept vorps.....so from here to eternity on the occasions where a win means nothing you will scream at the top of your lungs.....just like i could have screamed at the top of my lungs the other day when worley didnt get the win....but i dont need to puff my chest out everytime because im confient in who i am without citing billy beanisms
but who knows maybe next time thome hits a homer in the 9th inning down by nine runs ill scream and shout about how home runs are a meaningless statistic
just a question in the game worley lost who got the win? cause it certainly wasnt the guy who deserved it
thats actually not the question...the question is what was more important for worley that game to get a win or a loss...i hope even the biggest seamheads like you would say the win...and that fact that the got the loss that game was not good
sorry buddy but wins matter for starting pitchers
you are literally the most useless person in the world to argue against. i would rather drive to a soccer bar with dio in his prius and order expensive obscure foreign beer than do this stupid farging thing again.
utley is gonna play on wednesday
cant wait.....
o/u for games he plays in before going back to the dl?
ill set it at 20 and take the under
i might gover because for the first few weeks he might only play three games a week
the number of games he plays is irrelevant its all about the production to me
if he isnt a threat then he doesnt help anyone
i dont think itll be 3
itll probably be something like once a series. so 4-5 times a week, no day games after night games. limit the back to backs, etc.
and whatever he does it has to be better than mike mike.
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
itll probably be something like once a series. so 4-5 times a week
fuzzy math
What's fuzzy? 5 three game series, that's only 15 games in a week.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 12:08:44 AM
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
itll probably be something like once a series. so 4-5 times a week
fuzzy math
hell play 4-5 times a week. hell play. play. lay. ay. y.
homer j be lurking
OG GRIT and GRIT II?!?
I can't wait.
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Ahem...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 23, 2012, 08:23:19 PM
Quote@ryanlawrence21: After blowing save, Papelbon came in clubhouse and said he'd give $5K to whoever walked it off. He already wrote out a check to Jim Thome.
Papelboners for all!
Clutch relief performance last night. Glad to see Paps add to his win total.
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alex cobb is out for tonight so the rays are going reliver by committee....phifer should get his first win
hooray! hell be good now
Pathetic
Jesus farging christ. This bullpen is beyond awful.
i know he was over 100 pitches but when you know you have the worst bullpen in the league why not let heidi go one more inning...who cares if he works a little extra hes not even going to be on the team next year
a well deserved no decision for cole hamels
a well deserved win for david price
its game like this that show why records for pitchers matter, right?
price goes seven with 8 k's and one earned and its not a deserved win??
this is where you nerds lose me
hamels goes 7 innings and gives up 0 runs and its not good enough for the win?
this is where you back of the baseball card simpletons lose me
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 03:44:15 PM
hamels goes 7 innings and gives up 0 runs and its not good enough for the win?
this is where you back of the baseball card simpletons lose me
it was good enough...but it didnt happen...just like someone can hit two home runs in a game and his team lose...do home runs not matter?
to say price didnt deserve the win is beyond belief
lol drama queen
price was out dueled by hamels and got the win because basticho gave up a 3 run homer. they both went 7, but the guy who gave up the run is going to get the win. explain that to me.
Any doubts that wiggerton grounds into an inning ending dp here?
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
lol drama queen
price was out dueled by hamels and got the win because basticho gave up a 3 run homer. they both went 7, but the guy who gave up the run is going to get the win. explain that to me.
if he sucks hes gets the loss...but he didnt...he pitched great and got a well deserved win...which is exactly what you want your starter to do
in seamhead world tho losses dont matter.....it doesnt matter if you pitch terribly and lose the game...its the same as pitching great and winning
worst at bat ever by AAAberry
Why use Thome here and not save him for the 9th?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 03:57:08 PM
worst at bat ever by AAAberry
Yep.
farging disgusting.
Throw him and basticho off the Walt
what a retarded sequence by manuel
mayberry sucks against rhp and hes gone on 3 pitches
then he uses thome up so he can get intentionally walked
just monumental stupidity by a retarded pos manager
How about this...all Mayberry has to do is hit a farging flyball? Regardless of his splits - just get the job done
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 04:01:26 PM
what a retarded sequence by manuel
mayberry sucks against rhp and hes gone on 3 pitches
then he uses thome up so he can get intentionally walked
just monumental stupidity by a retarded pos manager
chuckles hits on a hunch a few times a year but when it come to actual strategy hes as bad as it gets...its comical to watch him in game situations
here comes J to defend his grandpa
how about you squeeze or something. how about you pinch hit fontenot for the pitcher, then use thome for martinez? how about that.
and then he uses pierre to run for thome which is beyond retarded, and keeps farging martinez at the plate who had a 0% of doing anything.
farg this team
cant chuckles and AAAberry both be pieces of shtein?
of course, and they are
but mayberry sucks against rhp and everyone knows it. so you can squeeze there, god forbid, and tie the game. or you pinch hit thome for him.
hes unbelievably good at putting players in positions that they arent going to succeed in.
Here's Wheels with his "aw jeez this guy is such a goof ball" schtick.
Come on Wheels....drop a no doubles defense and middle in on us
Jimmy gonna be the hero
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
lol drama queen
price was out dueled by hamels and got the win because basticho gave up a 3 run homer. they both went 7, but the guy who gave up the run is going to get the win. explain that to me.
if he sucks hes gets the loss...but he didnt...he pitched great and got a well deserved win...which is exactly what you want your starter to do
in seamhead world tho losses dont matter.....it doesnt matter if you pitch terribly and lose the game...its the same as pitching great and winning
difference is ERA/WHIP etc are >>>>>> above wins when evaluating a pitcher. They'll give you a snapshot most of the time, but if you ask me who to sign for next year, I take a pitcher who was 12-12 on a shtein team who had a 2.5 ERA and 1.1 WHIP over a pitcher who was 19-8 on a great team with a 3.6 ERA and 1.3 WHIP.
I don't care if people look at wins, but any time you're assessing an individual, normally stats which are within that individuals control (like home runs, as you keep citing) are more indicative of success than wins, which rely on so many other things.
god i hate fernando rodney so much
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 24, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
lol drama queen
price was out dueled by hamels and got the win because basticho gave up a 3 run homer. they both went 7, but the guy who gave up the run is going to get the win. explain that to me.
if he sucks hes gets the loss...but he didnt...he pitched great and got a well deserved win...which is exactly what you want your starter to do
in seamhead world tho losses dont matter.....it doesnt matter if you pitch terribly and lose the game...its the same as pitching great and winning
difference is ERA/WHIP etc are >>>>>> above wins when evaluating a pitcher. They'll give you a snapshot most of the time, but if you ask me who to sign for next year, I take a pitcher who was 12-12 on a shtein team who had a 2.5 ERA and 1.1 WHIP over a pitcher who was 19-8 on a great team with a 3.6 ERA and 1.3 WHIP.
I don't care if people look at wins, but any time you're assessing an individual, normally stats which are within that individuals control (like home runs, as you keep citing) are more indicative of success than wins, which rely on so many other things.
ill take 20 wins over 50 homers any day
jimmy is such a god...i feel bad that he has to play with these losers
Remember in little league when your coach would say "stop trying to kill the ball and just try to make contact". Well someone needs to tell that to Pence.
another shining of example of why they are such a worthless team
please trade everyone now
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 24, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
lol drama queen
price was out dueled by hamels and got the win because basticho gave up a 3 run homer. they both went 7, but the guy who gave up the run is going to get the win. explain that to me.
if he sucks hes gets the loss...but he didnt...he pitched great and got a well deserved win...which is exactly what you want your starter to do
in seamhead world tho losses dont matter.....it doesnt matter if you pitch terribly and lose the game...its the same as pitching great and winning
difference is ERA/WHIP etc are >>>>>> above wins when evaluating a pitcher. They'll give you a snapshot most of the time, but if you ask me who to sign for next year, I take a pitcher who was 12-12 on a shtein team who had a 2.5 ERA and 1.1 WHIP over a pitcher who was 19-8 on a great team with a 3.6 ERA and 1.3 WHIP.
I don't care if people look at wins, but any time you're assessing an individual, normally stats which are within that individuals control (like home runs, as you keep citing) are more indicative of success than wins, which rely on so many other things.
ill take 20 wins over 50 homers any day
which pitcher in my example would you sign, if they were the same age etc. if you go with the 19-8 3.6ERA/1.3WHIP player over the 12-12 2.5ERA, 1.1WHIP player, it's just a different way of looking at stats, which is fine, but i don't agree.
id have to look into how the losses happened...but in general of course ill take the pitcher with the better stuff...no one has ever argued that
but the lil guy and seamheads like him literally say that wins do not matter at ALL for SP....
thats all ive ever argued against...ive never said they are the most important stat ever much less more important than any other stat...all ive said is that they matter
fair enough
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Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
lol drama queen
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Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 04:29:19 PMbut the lil guy and seamheads like him literally say that wins do not matter at ALL for SP....
sometimes they make sense but they dont so often that you really cant take the stat seriously
so i guess therefore they do not matter because for the 2-3 times out of 10 they are right the other 7-8 times they are either wrong or misleading
then home runs dont count either
but as long as i got you to admit to wins mattering we are good
line up a nerd ill knock em down
They should stop keeping score and give everyone a trophy at the end of the year. And orange slices.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2012, 04:53:46 PM
They should stop keeping score and give everyone a trophy at the end of the year. And orange slices.
lol
home runs are home runs 90% of the time
its about the only thing you can point to in baseball that doesnt require any kind of luck.
I can guarantee I'd be shteinfaced at any Phillies game right now
getting drunk is really the answer to everything
Pretty much.
lol @ lee
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 01:55:09 PM
alex cobb is out for tonight so the rays are going reliver by committee....phifer should get his first win
You'd think. Lee may never win a game this year. It might made Todd's head explode.
i tried to tell everyone before the year that lee and halladay were at the age where they would take big steps back...but nooooooo everyone thinks they will pitch forever at a cy young level
idiots
its especially pathetic in a game where the other team is using only its bullpen
then he comes out and spots them 3
i hope they trade him to pittsburgh or something
phifers whole career will be defined by the blown four run lead against the cardinals
die a slow death you middle american farg
lol yup
and to think, they get this winner for 3 more seasons
its going to be bad and its going to get worse. drink up phillies fans.
Everybody give IGY high fives for being right.
Now!
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 07:13:00 PM
lol yup
and to think, they get this winner for 3 more seasons
its going to be bad and its going to get worse. drink up phillies fans.
but
but
they are now on the same level as the yankees and red sox and they will go over the luxury tax and sign an entire new roster in free agency next year and the system is loaded and they will contend every year from now until we all die
funny i dont see any will middlebrooks' or daniel nava's or jacoby ellsbury's on the phillies
i see placido polanco, juan pierre and john mayberry jr. and i see their only interesting prospect in lehigh and injured again.
i see two very different franchises, but then again i dont see the world through david montgomerys icehole like other people do
this is what happens when you have a city full of losers and one teams happens to break thru and win....the winning franchise gets elevated to ridiculous levels....the phillies fanbase is slightly more over the top because of the south jersey element but it wouldnt matter....whichever of the four teams happened to win in 2008 would be getting suckled to death like the phillies have been
pop quiz: what is the phils most telling statistic right now?
your blood alcohol level
IBB
second to last in the NL
you mean people arent walking juan pierre intentionally?
dont you love the way he plays the game?
he should be leading off and jimmy should be sling shotted into a volcano for not running out that infield pop up in 2004
i know you love jimmy like hes yours but up until this recent hot stretch hes been hideously bad
so has everyone...but jimmy gets extra hate....the same kind pimp does....people hate loud confident black men...even if they are the greatest phillie of all time
you knows who is still bad?
shane victorino.
but they have money to resign him and make a run next year
Haha
Solid effort, Cliff.
Brooks Conrad is killing them.
pitches:
phifer - 97
bullpen by committee - 47
Drinking is fun.
The world series....its slipping away
The inability to score runs from third is infuriating.
I cannot remember a team who was so bad at doing this. The offensive approach is farging sickening.
Jesus farging CHRIST!
First pitch swinging against a new pitcher and a farging popout.
farg YOU iceholeS!
they were like this even when they were good....whats missing now is the three run homers that covered up all the other deficiencies
What a goddamn joke.
Where's Wilson Goode to firebomb this POS group of fargups?
holy shtein look at this farging jew
Is this game on EI?
I am listening to it on the MLB app.
farg should I know
EI is for old people. im on the rays feed on mlbtv
lol @ this farcical joke of a team
when the farg does training camp start
Why do I even waste my time with these farging corksuckers any more
The Rays announcers are far more annoying than T-Mac. Maybe on par with Hairpiece. They're even worse than the Marlins.
BTW, heading to the Phils-Marlins on Saturday. D-Cells or Duracells?
Go farging light Ruben Amaro on fire, Geo. Aerosol and a lighter.
I just called my cousin and told him that I am going to fly home for a weekend just to go to a couple games and boo. I will pay for a front row seat to harass the dickheads who cannot get runners in or over. And then the next night I will get seats by the GM box and spend 9 innings blasting Amaro.
the rays announcers actually are fine
it shows a true homer when you cant stand to be away from the comforting tones of the worst announcing duo in the history of baseball
No. I can't stand Hairpiece - convert to LA/Franzke or to the other announcers when I can. T-Mac is a generic announcing voice that would be palatable - not great, but palatable with a good color guy.
These guys are worse IMO. Nasally pbp along with a color guy that sounds like he should be announcing the WWF or the old MTV Rock-and-Jock craptaculars.
sound has nothing to do with it
they are run of the mill average announcers who neither interest you or annoy you. where as tmac and wheeler are not only boring, insulting and condescending, but are terrible people.
Well, since I've been annoyed in just about every game I have heard them - and not just Phils games as I live in this hellhole - I'd say you are mistaken lil' guy.
Phils have allowed 14 walks and 10 hits today.
pieces of trash
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 24, 2012, 09:21:03 PM
The Rays announcers are far more annoying than T-Mac. Maybe on par with Hairpiece.
yeah not even close homer
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2012, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 24, 2012, 09:21:03 PM
The Rays announcers are far more annoying than T-Mac. Maybe on par with Hairpiece.
yeah not even close homer
Shockingly you and your high school girls' sports writer wire-circle-jerk partner not only share an opinion, but also the same tired insult.
homer isnt an insult
im a total wire homer and a pimp homer. it just is sometimes.
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Clearwater might not be playing any games at home for a while
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2012, 08:48:54 PM
What a goddamn joke.
Where's Wilson Goode to firebomb this POS group of fargups?
:yay :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2012, 09:20:51 PM
Why do I even waste my time with these farging corksuckers any more
Best decision I made all weekend. Slept in, got up just in time to see fargtardo spew it up. Dropped off the boy at the beach. Started to head home to watch Hidengurg part II. Said farg it, turned around and had a great body surf session for 2 hours.
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2012, 07:22:15 PM
funny i dont see any will middlebrooks' or daniel nava's or jacoby ellsbury's on the phillies
i see placido polanco, juan pierre and john mayberry jr. and i see their only interesting prospect in lehigh and injured again. i see two very different franchises, but then again i dont see the world through david montgomerys icehole like other people do
Most infuriating. The cupboards bare, bone farging dry. Trade for prospects? Who would want Victorino?
And Lee (@ Miami @ Mets) won't get his first win before the All-Star Game.
zolecki kills amaro pretty good in this blog post without ever using his name
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2012/06/25/spread-the-blame/
trade smuggles at the deadline
Quote from: SunMo on June 25, 2012, 10:33:09 AM
zolecki kills amaro pretty good in this blog post without ever using his name
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2012/06/25/spread-the-blame/
To summarize: One large, stinking pile of suckitude.
Good stuff from Zolecki. Hopefully Todd reads it and re-thinks ripping Charlie.
The players farging stink.
Cholly isn't faultless either Jay.
Pretty impressive display of suckitude by the Pirates in the first inning. Can't wait to see how the Phils top that!
its chase utleys aura. his mere presence scores 4 runs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 25, 2012, 01:41:57 PM
Good stuff from Zolecki. Hopefully Todd reads it and re-thinks ripping Charlie.
The players farging stink.
and lol @ this. can you be a bigger homer if you tried? no one has ever said its all charlie. but he aint helping.
charlie is just as hideous a manager today as he was in 2008...he does the same mind numbingly dumb shtein today as then....the difference is that now he has a much worse roster
plus in 08 he had
durbin = long man
madson = righties late
romero = lefties late
lidge = closer
dobbs = first bat off the bench
it wasnt really that hard after that. now can you imagine how many extra wins theyd have now if la russa was the manager?
and he had an everyday lineup of guys that played against righties and lefties, he could literally photocopy his lineup from opening day and use it in 75% of the games
Quote from: MDS on June 25, 2012, 08:00:58 PM
plus in 08 he had
durbin = long man
madson = righties late
romero = lefties late
lidge = closer
dobbs = first bat off the bench
it wasnt really that hard after that. now can you imagine how many extra wins theyd have now if la russa was the manager?
forget wins theyd have at least one more championship
you realize your boy in houston aint gonna take that lightly
Charlie is a good manager.
And it's hilarious that I'm now a homer but in years past when I bitched you'd be on me as bitching and to shut up because games in June don't mean shtein.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 25, 2012, 10:00:23 PM
Charlie is a good manager.
lol
this is why youre a homer
lol yeah ok...they should fire him and let Gross or Mackanin run it.
Maybe get Havas' boy LaRussa outta retirement.
Charlie's strength as a manager is that he knows his players better than any other manager in the league. His in game moves and acumen leave a lot to be desired. When's the last time he did something during a game that you thought to yourself "that was a smart move"?
It's amazing how much Manuel is like Reid in that respect. Great rapport with his players but an almost Forrest Gump-like inability to strategize.
Scoreboard watch time!
Phillies WIN
Nats LOSE
Mets LOSE
Marlins LOSE
Braves IDLE
Todd seen re-printing his WS tix.
Here it comes. Top 7, 2 on, no outs for the Bucs. Bums two run lead. You do the math.
TRIPLE A! Perfect throw to the plate.
farg YOU BAS TARDO JUST GO farg YOURSELF
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 24, 2012, 09:21:03 PM
BTW, heading to the Phils-Marlins on Saturday. D-Cells or Duracells?
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Has the ball that Chooch hit in the eighth landed yet?
Just wondering.
since i already deconstructed wins can saves be next?
just a question: was papelbon trying to give up a run there? so it counts as a save because he happened to have a 2-run lead that he had nothing to do with?
just a question.
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2012, 10:13:14 PM
since i already deconstructed wins can saves be next?
just a question: was papelbon trying to give up a run there? so it counts as a save because he happened to have a 2-run lead that he had nothing to do with?
just a question.
What? Why would he want to give up a run to get a save when a 2R lead is still a save?
You're losing it, Bill James.
PS - Carlos Ruiz is a goddamn pimp. He's hitting .361 with 10HR and playing great defense. His catch on Harrison's bunt attempt was beautiful.
PSS - The Phillies started a Vote For Chooch campaign...two days before voting ends (he's 800k behind that queer Yadier)
PSSS - There was another WAVE at the ballpark tonight. In the 8th inning of a close ballgame. DIE!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2012, 10:33:11 PM
PSSS - There was another WAVE at the ballpark tonight. In the 8th inning of a close ballgame. DIE!
Where are the gatling guns when you need them?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2012, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2012, 10:13:14 PM
since i already deconstructed wins can saves be next?
just a question: was papelbon trying to give up a run there? so it counts as a save because he happened to have a 2-run lead that he had nothing to do with?
just a question.
What? Why would he want to give up a run to get a save when a 2R lead is still a save?
You're losing it, Bill James.
no.
what im saying is he gave up a run. that is bad. but he happened to have a 2 run lead, so the 1 run didnt cost him. but what if it was a 5-4 game? now its a blown save. so him giving up a run, i.e. doing something bad, does not cost him because he just happened to have a 2-run lead.
to me the saves stat isnt as bad as wins but its kind of iffy. sometimes theres a built-in safety system that the pitcher had nothing to do with. i like the +/- system. +1 for a good outing, -1 for a bad outing.
papelbon = +13 in big spots, +3 in non-big spots
basticho = +11 in big spots, +5 in non-big spots
savery = -1 in big spots, -1 in non-big spots
in a roundabout way, joe savery sucks.
as a frame of reference, joe nathan is a +16 in big spots and a +5 in others.
Quote from: Don Ho on June 26, 2012, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2012, 10:33:11 PM
PSSS - There was another WAVE at the ballpark tonight. In the 8th inning of a close ballgame. DIE!
Where are the gatling guns when you need them?
Machu Picchu?
Standing in front of your house ready to open fire!?
MDS - and maybe Johnny Papsmear decided to be more aggressive in the zone knowing he had a 2R lead with no one on base rather than nibble and maybe walk a guy? Maybe one got away from him?
Why is Raul Valdes starting tomorrow??
According to the Phils' site, simply because they used both Lee and Hamels for the doubleheader. Lot of good that did.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2012, 11:47:19 PMWhy is Raul Valdes starting tomorrow??
Who else you gonna start? Kendrick on three days rest?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2012, 11:47:19 PM
Standing in front of your house ready to open fire!?
MDS - and maybe Johnny Papsmear decided to be more aggressive in the zone knowing he had a 2R lead with no one on base rather than nibble and maybe walk a guy? Maybe one got away from him?
Why is Raul Valdes starting tomorrow??
1. its possible, though its really farging stupid and over confident to think that way. if you have a 4 run lead i buy it. though he is a meathead baseball player so i wouldnt put it past him. basically i want you and everyone to rethink and question back of the baseball card stats. again i dont care what babip is but just think about things more critically.
2. they left themselves without a lot of options. they could bring kendrick on short rest, then use that kid from AAA on regular rest. they could use the zesty pitcher from AAA on regular rest or the really zesty kid from AA. all terrible options. so basically they are throwing in the towel on this game.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2012, 11:47:19 PM
Why is Raul Valdes starting tomorrow??
Wilson ok, Raul, not so much.
Sign Jamie Moyer!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2012, 11:47:19 PM
PSS - The Phillies started a Vote For Chooch campaign...two days before voting ends (he's 800k behind that queer Yadier)
PSSS - There was another WAVE at the ballpark tonight. In the 8th inning of a close ballgame. DIE!
these fans were another thing i was way out in front of...in 2007 i was blasting the south jersey contingent that was slowly taking over the stadium and people called me a whiney bitch and tried to say how great phillie fans were...chickens comin home to roost...whos the bitches NOW!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2012, 11:47:19 PM
MDS - and maybe Johnny Papsmear decided to be more aggressive in the zone knowing he had a 2R lead with no one on base rather than nibble and maybe walk a guy? Maybe one got away from him?
this is the problem with seamheads..they dont watch games...they go strictly by the numbers....situations dont mean anything to them...then they try and come up with these intergalatic theorums to make them seem smarter than everyone else...
JFC can we all please STFU about our view of bad fans. It's such an asinine beat to death topic already.
doubtful
Pretty sure we have some of the worst fans right here on :CF
tonight's pitching matchup is another example of incompetence by this organization.
as of friday night, they knew that they had a double header on sunday and they needed a 6th starter for today. however, they did nothing in the minors with either holding back a start or prepping someone to come up and now they are in a position to have a bullpen game against a team they should beat and when they need every win possible.
I could give two shteins about Phillies fans. They're douchey but as long as they show up the team can stay competitive. If I have to deal with the douchebag element the 5 times a year I go to a game it's worth it if the team can stay competitive. Yeah they blow this season but that's not because of fan support.
thinking about it is kind of like entering the vortex
if all the south jersey fans stayed away and only the diehards went there would be 20k there most nights. then they wouldnt have as much money and the tv ratings wouldnt be so good. so then they wouldnt have an 180 million dollar payroll.
so what do you want: what should be a great team in a stadium full of people eating crab fries and taking twitpics or nondescript averageness in a stadium full of salt of the earth motherfargers
I'll take the crowded stadium with douchebags. That's across all 4 Philly sports venues though. You go to an Eagles game and it's no longer Karl from Fishtown...it's college douchebags and suburbanites/South Jersey folk.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2012, 07:41:54 AMthis is the problem with seamheads..they dont watch games...they go strictly by the numbers....situations dont mean anything to them...then they try and come up with these intergalatic theorums to make them seem smarter than everyone else...
youve got to be the stupidest motherfarger ive ever gone out with
"uh oh, someone questioned the same logic i used in 1975 when i was an impressionable working class pollack growing up in northeast philly. quick, lets go to the canned billy beane responses straight out of the eagles message board circa 2003. THATLL SHOW HIM. LOOK AT THE BACK OF MY BASEBALL CARD. NUMBERS!"
The crowds the last two nights were there for the fireworks more than the baseball. You won't see a wave tonight unless the zesty bullpen has them down 11-2 in the 8th...
theres way more than 20k die hards...its easily a few hundred thousand...problem is most of them cant get tickets because instead of a pony this year caitlin from marlton daddy got her phillie tickets
theres nothing you can do about it, though
the same thing happened to boston and has happened to the yankees. when you win, everyone wants in.
Fascinating stuff. Really.
Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2012, 11:57:22 AM
theres nothing you can do about it, though
the same thing happened to boston and has happened to the yankees. when you win, everyone wants in.
boston fans not in boston are atrocious but these people dont go to the games...winning has an effect on most home crowds and im not saying their crowds havent changed but not nearly to the extent of the phillies...take out the baseball part of it and boston/new england people are sickening all on their own....the crowds remain relatively unchanged
as for the yankees the new stadium has hurt them...has nothing to do with winnning....when they were winning in the old stadium the fans were insane
then blame the bank? its a nice place to go, good food options, etc.
if the phillies were still at the vet shtein would be ON but then again they wouldnt be generating the save revenue
yankees new stadium hurts them because of the cost not the acoutrements
Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2012, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2012, 07:41:54 AMthis is the problem with seamheads..they dont watch games...they go strictly by the numbers....situations dont mean anything to them...then they try and come up with these intergalatic theorums to make them seem smarter than everyone else...
youve got to be the stupidest motherfarger ive ever gone out with
"uh oh, someone questioned the same logic i used in 1975 when i was an impressionable working class pollack growing up in northeast philly. quick, lets go to the canned billy beane responses straight out of the eagles message board circa 2003. THATLL SHOW HIM. LOOK AT THE BACK OF MY BASEBALL CARD. NUMBERS!"
:paranoid
Is everyone wearing their Utley jerseys today?
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Quote from: SD on June 27, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
Is everyone wearing their Utley jerseys today?
My little one is. She's gritty.
lol at that photo
i'm excited to see him back. i'm not even a huge fan of his but my taint has been tingly all day today
Martinez sent down to make room
they made the right move on that
the boy mike mike needs to get 300 at bats in AAA and learn how to hit. hes never going to be very good but he can be a decent utility guy if he actually develops some kind of approach to hitting other than swinging at every single farging pitch.
:-D Todd's picture.
GRIT!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!
That's just Grit being gritty.
gods gift to baseball
HA!!
Just wait until Doc and Choke get back.
Chooch
Just Chooch being choochy.
"Can you feel it?" OMG TMac, just stop.
holy shtein homer overload
world series tickets goin fast
Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2012, 07:26:24 PM
holy shtein homer overload
world series tickets goin fast
cancel the parade
Raul Valdez, ladies & germs.
i blame chooch for that
he called for a high fastball 3-2 to the 8 hitter with the pitcher on deck. raul valdes delivered one, an especially crappy one, but he hit his spot. you make him chase and go after the pitcher there. chooch got over aggressive and got burned.
These bums could have the Dalai Lama, Jesus Christ, Allah, Father Damien, Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Bhudda in the lineup but with this bullpen ain't gonna be any miracles.
just wait until this weekend when they are spent after bullpen by committee tonight and four innings from kendrick tomorrow
shut up
they had no clue this was coming. the rain out and double header happened today!
pettite broke his leg
phifer to the apple
with a joe savery throw in?
the only thing savery is getting thrown in is a volcano
I've got just the volcano for him.
not that its a vastly superior option but they could have used scott elarton at some point over the last few days and gotten 5 out of him as opposed to doing this.
but no. manuel/amaro chose to go with this route. im sure it was all rube. manuel is so awesome.
they could have gotten more than 5....his turn was up sunday
huge game for the iron pigs tho and i dont think you could have risked him missing a start down there
to be fair it was such short notice. the rain out was friday and they needed him sunday. you cant expect charlie to think of something that complicated in such a short period of time.
Well looky here...down 8-2 and it's 8-7 with two on and no out.
Take the lead and then have Johnny Paps blow it??
Todd's right. To expect Charlie to even remotely think two, three days down the road is unimaginable. This pitching shtein show was to be expected. Valdes, Savery, Schwimer, Diekman, Qualls, wow, star drinking.
Well the Bucs horrid defense is helping things.
Haha...Hunter Pence is a goddamn idiot. Nice K, cockface.
And Braindeadorino flies out on the first pitch after.
Quickly two outs now.
A three run Thomer coming?!
More like a three pitch strikeout.
Rally killed.
hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr J
you need a theme song
"Leave um stranded" Spaz and Retardino is to be expected. Thome's magic is done. He might get one more crucial hit the rest of the season.
Chad Qualls is a farging funhole.
Get off my team, loser.
Qualls is the man.
You could see that coming a mile away. If they were serious about doing anything at this point they'd cut that piece of shtein right now. And I mean NOW. Don't wait till the end of the game even. Send the clubhouse bellboy to pack his shtein and GTFO.
Ahahahhahahahahahhahhahhaha
This blood is on Amaro's hands for not DFA'ing this farging piece of shtein.
Go play beer league softball, icehole!!
much needed hr and 2 rbi for my fantasy team
thank you chady boy
Qualls won't need to be cut. He'll be dead before he leaves CBP tonight.
He may be the worst pitcher I've ever seen in a Phillies uniform. I'm sure there has been worse but I can't think of one right now.
they shouldnt be in too bad of position tomorrow
diekman and schwimmer can give them and inning, and tony b/pap are fine
if im charlie i run qualls out there for another inning, throw his arm out, then DFA him
Sure am enjoying this Phillies bullpen All-Star game.
well they sent down someone.....
and his name is joe savery
No idea why he thought bringing Qualls in would be good...I remember how bad the Phillies beat him up the last few years
Time to send Savery down.
Time to put Qualls down.
Hopefully they're bringing up Aumont
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 27, 2012, 11:40:45 PM
Hopefully they're bringing up Aumont
No sir.
Brian Sanches. Again.
Rejoice.
farg you, Ruben Amaro.
Scoreboard watch...
Every other NL East team won yesterday.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 27, 2012, 11:40:45 PM
Hopefully they're bringing up Aumont
he averages like a walk an inning in the minors....that number will transfer well to the bigs
Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2012, 09:07:22 PM
to be fair it was such short notice. the rain out was friday and they needed him sunday. you cant expect charlie to think of something that complicated in such a short period of time.
i feel like i covered this already. it's more on ruben than charlie.
qualls is DFA'd
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health care of qualls? what is the better news?
QuoteTodd Zolecki @ToddZolecki
Qualls said he was surprised. Asked Amaro to trade him.
LOL who wants this loser
Jeremy Horst is up too. He's the lefty they got for Wilson Valdez
When does Herndon come back? Qualls made me miss him.
Next year. He had Tommy John surgery
not the start you wanted after blowing out your bullpen the day before
KK farging sucks
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2012, 08:22:17 PM
just wait until this weekend when they are spent after bullpen by committee tonight and four innings from kendrick tomorrow
so you're annoyed you overshot with 4 innings?
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Quote from: SunMo on June 28, 2012, 01:19:45 PM
so you're annoyed you overshot with 4 innings?
i honestly wanted to say one but thought that was unrealistic...so i actually tried to be fair
o/u on how many times wheeler said today, "He's gonna have to take one for the team" talking about Kendrick staying out there
Forgot this was an afternoon game. I'm going to put flowers and flags on my grandparent's grave since we won't be in town for the fourth. I think I'll have more fun...
They got the better end of that deal.
lol @ batting fontenot there
die in a fire manuel
Leave um stranded you douchebags.
Horst nice work dunkoff!
i have something dumber than wins and saves:
bunting
manuel makes pierre give up an out all so rollins can be in scoring position for shane victorino and hunter pence and maybe placido polanco.
farging old people never questioning things and using The Book. this is why they lose. among many other reasons.
Totally agree with you on that bunt. Charlie, you are in last farging place! Think outside the box. Yeah, that's going to happen.
Cellar dwellers.
Quote from: MDS on June 28, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
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Thome on the block, will go to an AL team... per Stark.
maybe they can use him one more time to bunt wiggigton into scoring position for mike fontenot
that makes sense right? get em on, get em over, get em in!
lets go eat
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that jersey is pimp
God his legs look so skinny. Dude's not gonna regain any semblance of power until this time next year
Pitching has been the Phillies' biggest nemesis this season. Since Roy Halladay left a May 27 game in St. Louis because of a strained back muscle, the Phillies are just 1-17 when they score fewer than six runs. They are 15-38 (.395) overall when scoring fewer than six runs.
rube has "kicked the tires" on a chase headly trade
ummmm what
that would be a good move
it depends what they give up for him. hes 28 and doesnt even have an .800 ops.
He'd fit in like peas n carrots with this bunch.
Qualls asked the Phillies for a trade.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120629_Phillies_Notes__Qualls_asks_for_trade_after_being_sent_out.html
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i never realized how ugly rich waltz and tommy hutton are
farg me go to radio you gargoyles
seriously... just try and sit through an entire game with that motherfarger announcing. i dare you.
they are hideous but they are better than wheeler
and seriously how empty is it there. what a terrible baseball city.
remember when homers mocked me for calling him AAAberry?
yea.
Day after day the same schtick. Do you bore your reader(s) like this or are we just special?
Quote from: Rome on June 29, 2012, 07:43:42 PM
Day after day the same schtick. Do you bore your reader(s) like this or are we just special?
He has no other friends and this is his only outlet. I say we cut him a little slack...it's Friday after all.
Quotethe Phils had seven relievers in the reformed bullpen: Righties Jonathan Papelbon, Michael Schwimer and Sanches and lefties Antonio basticho, Jake Diekman, Horst and Raúl Valdes.
No amount of offense can salvage this mess.
"Hey Clifff, tell us about all the great pitches you threw".
Quote from: MDS on June 29, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
remember when homers mocked me for calling him AAAberry?
lol....i was calling him that when you were sucking your mamas dick....stay off my jock
Talk about same old schtick, Pence trying to play RF. Painful.
Hunter Pence can go farg himself with one of those Liscio's roll.
farg this Miami organization. Did you see that sea creature race they have on the field? Ok, the racing Presidents in DC is one thing but this is ridiculous. Damn there's a lot of empty seats there.
Go Awayberry sucks. GTFO MY TEAM!
Quote from: SD on June 29, 2012, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: Rome on June 29, 2012, 07:43:42 PM
Day after day the same schtick. Do you bore your reader(s) like this or are we just special?
He has no other friends and this is his only outlet. I say we cut him a little slack...it's Friday after all.
^ The voice of reason. ^
Quote from: Don Ho on June 29, 2012, 08:25:12 PM
"Hey Clifff, tell us about all the great pitches you threw".
This made me laugh. Sadly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 29, 2012, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 29, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
remember when homers mocked me for calling him AAAberry?
lol....i was calling him that when you were sucking your mamas dick....stay off my jock
you are the boy who cried wolf
this year you happen to be right, they are terrible. i was on their dicks when they deserved it and i jumped off well before anyone else did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWk6RgQbPVc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWk6RgQbPVc)
That is wrong in about 100 different ways but so funny.
Quote from: MDS on June 30, 2012, 03:38:18 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 29, 2012, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 29, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
remember when homers mocked me for calling him AAAberry?
lol....i was calling him that when you were sucking your mamas dick....stay off my jock
you are the boy who cried wolf
this year you happen to be right, they are terrible. i was on their dicks when they deserved it and i jumped off well before anyone else did.
really you werent
you were citing measurables 18 months ago...while i was predicting the collapse
Let's all just agree that you're both retards.
deal
Thome was just traded to the Orioles. The deal will be announced after both games end
EDIT: for Frederick starting RHP Kyle Simon and Delmarva C Gabriel Lino
How jealous is every other player of thome for getting away from this abortion
They'll spin this as "we're doing this so Jim can play more" but we all know the writings on the wall. Now get as much as you can for Hamels/Pence/Victorino and start retooling for next season.
They're not going to deal Hamels. Spaz & Pineapple Head, sure. Not Heidi.
Quote from: Rome on June 30, 2012, 07:15:10 PM
They're not going to deal Hamels. Spaz & Pineapple Head, sure. Not Heidi.
exactly. It would make no sense to deal your only young Ace when you're gonna trade away the other two guys on the team that would make it hard to sign him money-wise.
Quote from: Rome on June 30, 2012, 07:15:10 PM
They're not going to deal Hamels. Spaz & Pineapple Head, sure. Not Heidi.
im fine with this as long as they can deal lee
if you can get his hideous contract off the books, and essentially replace hamels with it, youll have some money to spend next offseason. of course, they have no AAA players they can bring up after the impending fire sale because roob gutted the farm system, but whatever.
then you can maybe put something together next year, if not, you can always deal halladay and utley at the 2013 deadline and they can be ready to go in 2014.
Few thoughts after attending today's game.
1. Miami is a hole once you leave the beach.
2. That home run spectacular looks even worse in person. Gaudy as hell.
3. Somehow the park felt small (maybe because of the roof) but also felt like it was far away from the action. You could see the skyline of Miami through the windows in left field. Didn't think that the park was anything special architecturally. Never had to wait in line for food, drink or bathrooms. Still lots of empty seats. Overall it was... OK. Not nearly as attractive as CBP.
4. If MichaelCarlo Stanton could bat against the Phils in every game, he'd be a hall-of-famer.
5. Hunter Pence is an idiot.
6. Whoever had Hamels running is an idiot.
7. Shane Victorino is a farging idiot.
8. Chooch is the Phils' best player right now.
9. Ty Wiggy-ton is one ugly motherfarger.
10. Fire sale should begin soon. This team is cooked.
Phils are only on the hook for 112 mil next year....I don't get the mindset that singing Cole Hamels, even with Lee's deal still on the books, means they'd ahve no money to spend.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 30, 2012, 11:01:47 PM
Few thoughts after attending today's game.
5. Hunter Pence is an idiot.
6. Whoever had Hamels running is an idiot.
7. Shane Victorino is a farging idiot.
8. Chooch is the Phils' best player right now.
9. Ty Wiggy-ton is one ugly motherfarger.
10. Fire sale should begin soon. This team is cooked.
Ladies & Gentlemen, YOUR 2012 Philadelphia Phillies.
Thanks for the update on Marlins Park. I was always curious on the feel of that place. I just realized during Friday's game that it only seats 37K. Those field level seats in the outfield look pretty cool.
QuoteManuel chuckled, expressing his frustrations of a disappointing season.
"I don't mean to laugh, it's definitely not a laughing matter," he said. "Believe me, I'm more serious than that.
No Charlie, go ahead and laugh because it is quite comical.
He laughs so he doesn't cry.
Quote from: Rome on June 30, 2012, 07:15:10 PM
They're not going to deal Hamels. Spaz & Pineapple Head, sure. Not Heidi.
And the point of keeping him is...? They're not contenders this season and if he hasn't signed by now what makes you think he'll sign before free agency starts? The Phillies are aware of what he wants and know once he hits free agency [which he will] he's a goner. They won't match what a team like the Dodgers is going to throw at him. So you have two options:
Play out the year, hope to finish in 3rd place [long shot] and watch Hamels go for nothing
or
Trade him to a team in contention and get some prospects. They should be able to get 2 or 3 top level prospects for him.
Starting pitching is the strength of this team (theoretically). Why weaken it considerably? They can afford him easily and you don't let legit #1 pitchers bolt especially if they're 28 years old. And they're not going to get anything remotely close in terms of his talent for him in return, so giving him away for less than fair market value is retardedly stupid. That said, Amaro is probably just that stupid so at this point it's probably a 50/50 proposition that he gets traded.
I'm all for re-signing him but if it would have already happened by now. It's not like they're in the dark with what he wants. So what's the hold up? He's theirs, there's mutual interest, but there's no deal. He's going to be a free agent unless they deal him. And you're underestimating what a 28 year old playoff tested performer like Hamels will bring in a deal at the deadline. Teams on the brink of winning a title will part with their top prospects if it's the final piece to get them a title. It's not like the Phillies are some small market team, they hold all the cards in this situation.
Quote from: SD on July 01, 2012, 10:22:36 AM
I'm all for re-signing him but if it would have already happened by now. It's not like they're in the dark with what he wants. So what's the hold up? He's theirs, there's mutual interest, but there's no deal. He's going to be a free agent unless they deal him. And you're underestimating what a 28 year old playoff tested performer like Hamels will bring in a deal at the deadline. Teams on the brink of winning a title will part with their top prospects if it's the final piece to get them a title. It's not like the Phillies are some small market team, they hold all the cards in this situation.
I think as much as hamels says he wants to stay in philly, he also wants to test the FA market. So I don't believe its a sign him now or he's gone situation. I think the phils will be willing to offer him 25 mil a year when the time comes. If they are gonna trade him, maybe they could get profrack or whoever that SS prospect is from Texas. Wish KC was in contention so they could try and get Wil Myers. But maybe the texas SS plus someone like david murphy plus one or two other prospects?
Quote from: SD on July 01, 2012, 10:22:36 AM
I'm all for re-signing him but if it would have already happened by now. It's not like they're in the dark with what he wants. So what's the hold up? He's theirs, there's mutual interest, but there's no deal. He's going to be a free agent unless they deal him. And you're underestimating what a 28 year old playoff tested performer like Hamels will bring in a deal at the deadline. Teams on the brink of winning a title will part with their top prospects if it's the final piece to get them a title. It's not like the Phillies are some small market team, they hold all the cards in this situation.
agreed....move him for a boatload of prospects.....phillies are not going to be contenders for the better part of the next five years and heidi is chip that can kick start the rebuilding process big time.....plus his back is going to be an issue when he hits his 30's.....giving him 150 million dollars is as retarded a move that you can make
Quote from: Munson on July 01, 2012, 11:11:44 AM
Quote from: SD on July 01, 2012, 10:22:36 AM
I'm all for re-signing him but if it would have already happened by now. It's not like they're in the dark with what he wants. So what's the hold up? He's theirs, there's mutual interest, but there's no deal. He's going to be a free agent unless they deal him. And you're underestimating what a 28 year old playoff tested performer like Hamels will bring in a deal at the deadline. Teams on the brink of winning a title will part with their top prospects if it's the final piece to get them a title. It's not like the Phillies are some small market team, they hold all the cards in this situation.
I think as much as hamels says he wants to stay in philly, he also wants to test the FA market. So I don't believe its a sign him now or he's gone situation. I think the phils will be willing to offer him 25 mil a year when the time comes. If they are gonna trade him, maybe they could get profrack or whoever that SS prospect is from Texas. Wish KC was in contention so they could try and get Wil Myers. But maybe the texas SS plus someone like david murphy plus one or two other prospects?
It IS a sign him now or buh bye situation. Once he hits free agency he's gone. I'm sure a part of him would like to stay but then teams like the Dodgers/Yanks/Sox etc. will whine and dine him and offer him lucrative deals and the players union will tell him to go to the highest bidder. Let teams fight over him and up their deals and rape some team for some prospects. The more the Phillies suck the more teams will be interested.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/779537-mlb-trade-news-the-50-dumbest-trades-in-baseball-history/page/51
Chooch, Papelbon and the guy who evidently grudge-farged SD's sister are going to the All-Star game.
Joy.
Did I miss something?
Trading Hamels would be monumentally stupid and they'd regret it for years.
This league and the success of a team is centered around pitching. So why in the hell would you deal a proven commodity for a bunch of question marks? You'd be hoping the guys you get in return turn out to be like the guy you just farging traded!
Ruiz, Rollins, Hamels, Halladay and Lee are keepers.
Everyone else is on the block.
You trade him because you're not re-signing him. What are they waiting for? Once free agency starts he's gone. They know what he wants and have had forever to re-sign him. It's obvious from smugs comments about downplaying the size of the deal that he expects Hamels to go into free agency then come running back to the Phils begging them to take the deal they offered. The Dodgers/Yanks/Sox are going to blow him away with an offer and he's going to leave. At least if you trade him you get some value for him.
That's my point - they should re-sign him.
Another failure by the esteemed general manager.
I want that fargers head perched atop Billy Penn's statue. He's an awful GM and a smug farging icehole.
Follow Banner out of town, please.
Just so we're clear on this:
SD hates Cole. Hates him.
Oh, and this team is nauseating.
Since when do I hate Cole? He gets a lifetime pass from me for 2008. I'd be thrilled if they re-signed him but it would have happened already so they might as well get something decent in return.
Sports talk radio and Phils post game show both saying they're listening to offers.
And Qualls was traded to the Yankees [no joke]
Quote@Matt_Swa: Keep in mind that trading Hamels gets you less than historical mid-season trades bc u don't keep Type A status in new CBA."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 01, 2012, 04:49:24 PM
Quote@Matt_Swa: Keep in mind that trading Hamels gets you less than historical mid-season trades bc u don't keep Type A status in new CBA."
That's exactly why a team has to blow you away with an offer. The Phils aren't some small market team who is just trying to offload a player they know they're not going to have the money to keep. They have the financial means to keep Hamels meaning they hold all the cards. If a team wants him they're going to have to ante up big time.
I wouldn't mind seeing them trade him and then make a run at him in FA.
I have no doubt in my mind they'll offer him at leas 22-23 mil a year. It'll just be a matter of if he wants to take that or take the 25 mil he'll prob get from somewhere else.
I wonder if they could get Baltimore to give up both Manny Machado and Dylan Bundy....my guess is Bundy is untouchable but you'd figure with the team having their first chance in years at the playoffs they might go balls to the wall.
QuoteThe Phils are 9 games under .500 for the first time since July 25, 2006 and are 36-45, their worst through 81 games since '97.
gonna get a lot worse until it gets better
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Is Ruben Amaro Jr gonna have to trade a pitch(er)?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2012, 06:33:20 PM
gonna get a lot worse until it gets better
Homers starting to pack it in for this year, but not long term
Can you imagine 2014 with jimmy, choke, lee, etc? Oh god.
espn ticker at the bar tonight said phils have heidi and shane on the block
Let's do this!
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Anyone want tickets for Friday's abortion? Face OBO. PM me.
HA! Qualls pitched 2/3 in bottom of the 8th for Yankees tonight @ Tampa. 0 hits, 1 K, 0 BB.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 02, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
HA! Qualls pitched 2/3 in bottom of the 8th for Yankees tonight @ Tampa. 0 hits, 1 K, 0 BB.
Were you expecting anything else?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 02, 2012, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on July 02, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
HA! Qualls pitched 2/3 in bottom of the 8th for Yankees tonight @ Tampa. 0 hits, 1 K, 0 BB.
Were you expecting anything else?
strike out the side?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 02, 2012, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on July 02, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
HA! Qualls pitched 2/3 in bottom of the 8th for Yankees tonight @ Tampa. 0 hits, 1 K, 0 BB.
Were you expecting anything else?
Just the typical line of 1/3 inning 5 runs 3 hits 2 BB.
Everyone will do well once they leave this toxic dump of a team. Hopefully cliff "im gonna pout like mcnabb because i don't have any wins" lee is next
yeah he can go to hell....and really so can MA halladay too
both fake phillies
With 81 games in the books and 81 to go, the Phillies are on pace to become the first team in major-league baseball history to win over 100 games one year and lose 90 games the next year.
Heyman just linked something that said victorino, blanton and polanco will probably go if they sell.
how the hell are they not sellers
heidi needs to go first...i mean even if you think you can resign him this offseason you still deal him to ensure you get something in return for him...especially so being that all signs point to them not retaining him
Except for every utterance from the team to the contrary, sure, they're definitely not interested in keeping him.
would have been signed long ago were they 100% invested in keeping him....particularly after cain signed....im not blaming them at all and in fact id prefer they trade him for prospects....but if they truly wanted it done it would have been done a while ago....they are rightfully concerned about giving him 150 million dollars
And conversely if they wanted him gone they would have traded him before now. Bottom line is they can't afford to get rid of him. So they won't.
Quote from: Rome on July 03, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
And conversely if they wanted him gone they would have traded him before now.
what are you talking about....theres this little thing called the trade deadline you may or may not heard of
i suppose we could all wake up tomorrow and heidi have a new deal but id be shocked if he doesnt test the open market at this point....if he makes it there its all but over for the phils but theoretically they could still sign him this winter...either way you have to move him this summer for prospects that will start the long process of getting the system back to respectability....to lose him for nothing (draft picks) would be treasonous on smuglys part
On a positive note we get the Mets broadcast crew.
They're not trading him. Get over it.
They're still booing Grit in NY.
is there a reliable sports website to watch mlb games on where i can get the game tonight
You don't have mlb.tv At Bat?
igy, try this:
http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/baseball.html (http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/baseball.html)
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 03, 2012, 01:18:29 PM
With 81 games in the books and 81 to go, the Phillies are on pace to become the first team in major-league baseball history to win over 100 games one year and lose 90 games the next year.
With morons like Mayberry playing on this team 90 L is looking very obtainable.
no i have the package on my tv at home and im currently out of town
vip is ok. I watched a few birds game on it this past season. Hit or miss. I 've watched games with no issues what so ever and have had games where it freezes up every two minutes. Watched the Manny Pac fight a few weeks ago and it was pretty good.
Chooch, yea! Home run! Awesome! Beast! Who gives a farg?
he is truly ridiculous this year....i was so off in predicting hed end up hitting in the .270 range...its one thing to have career year like hes having....80 pts above his career BA but to do it at his age is what is really amazing
btw i was looking up some of his past numbers and came across the fact that twice in his career hes finished in the top 20 nl mvp voting....thats seems pretty crazy
Such a shame that he's having his career year during this train wreck of a season.
Jon niese is a fantasy god
Turned on the game while in the office and it was 6-1. Turned it off in five minutes.
This team makes the idea of moving to Montana an easier pill to swallow.
10 games under .500 for the first time since 2002
28-25 on June 1st and 2.5g out.
8-21 since then - worst team in the bigs
Now is the summer of our discontent.
The losing streak started with grit/chooch back-to-back HRs and it ends that way. Cliff finally wins one
I have two tickets to tomorrow's game and definitely can't go. Section 329, row 6. Face value is $38 per, but glad to get that for the pair at this point. PM me; can meet near Bucks County tonight or tomorrow afternoon.
The season turnaround started last night. Playoffs here we come.
Pineapple
Why has someone in Philly not taken out a contract on Wigginton?
Why??
Two run leads suck!
- Cole Hamels
Scott Hairston = Phillie Killer
Pretty sure Stephen Hawking could have knocked that shtein out.
Just me tonite?
K
Johnny Papsmear is in trouble.
Let's go!
Easy peasy
This is the type of shtein that happened in favor for the Phils back in 08...now they lose on shtein like that.
Just unreal how much can go wrong in one season
farg that shtein
farging bums
papeloser with the nail in the coffin
$50 million for a farging meathead douche who cant throw strikes
end this team now please
Todd running to post the same thing he's been posting in every post immediately after a loss?
Shocking.
Disgusting farging losers.
Thanks to Juan Samuel too - sent Fontenot for no reason
Hiccup
choke is starting for the Phils tomorrow night. Get that bandwagon started, J
QuoteCole Hamels outlasted Dickey in a matchup of All-Stars that fizzled from the start. Hounded by recent trade rumors, Hamels pitched seven gritty innings and had two hits. But the Phillies' suspect bullpen couldn't finish off the win after beating the Mets on Wednesday night.
Also, for anyone who wants to see Howard's debut, my tickets are now listed on StubHub for less than half of face value.
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Dear God, make it stop.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 05, 2012, 10:18:39 PM
Disgusting farging losers.
Thanks to Juan Samuel too - sent Fontenot for no reason
THAT, was farging pathetic. Frenchy wasn't even 3/4 of the way to third when Hairston fielded the ball. I know Hairston has a weak arm but my god what a bad move by Samuel.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 05, 2012, 10:18:39 PM
Disgusting farging losers.
Thanks to Juan Samuel too - sent Fontenot for no reason
yeah it definitely wasnt the highest paid closer in mlb historys fault
small picture: i said it the day it farging happened and no one would listen...just an embarrassingly bad deal smug gave him...romey actually steadfastly defended it...in one sense not surprising because every time a philly team signs someone its a great move and eveytime they lose someone the other team overpaid but still to defend this deal is just stupifying
big picture: last night will always be the night that the torch was officially passed from the phils to the nationals....nats score two in the bottom of the 9th to win and the phillies give up two in the bottom of the ninth to lose
Back breaker. They have to win every game that close to make anything out of this season. Embarrassing.
WORST DEAL EVER!
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Little overreaction to the 2nd blown save?
lol you cant possibly think this has anything to do with last nights game can...only you guys would think so small
its the same reaction as before he ever threw a pitch for the phillies
a five year 50+ million dollar deal to a closer who is going to give you what ryan madson gave you the previous year was about as dumb a deal as you could possibly throw out there considering their circumstances
compare this philosophy to the fact that pat gillick wouldnt even give starters five years...and you give paplebon the biggest contract EVER at his position?
puke
what a piece of shtein win for the mets. the guy after the hit batter was out on strike 3 that wasn't called. the lucky hit to tie the game and then wrights bloop piece of shtein to win it. lucky queers.
they win 7 of 10 coming out of the allstar break. beleeeeeeeeeeee dat.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2012, 08:11:09 AM
lol you cant possibly think this has anything to do with last nights game can...only you guys would think so small
its the same reaction as before he ever threw a pitch for the phillies
a five year 50+ million dollar deal to a closer who is going to give you what ryan madson gave you the previous year was about as dumb a deal as you could possibly throw out there considering their circumstances
compare this philosophy to the fact that pat gillick wouldnt even give starters five years...and you give paplebon the biggest contract EVER at his position?
puke
We've been over this before.
They traded Lidge's closer slot moneywise for Papelbon's. It's no more complex than that. They're not losing because of Papelbon.
Quote from: Rome on July 06, 2012, 09:23:32 AM
They traded Lidge's closer slot moneywise for Papelbon's. It's no more complex than that. They're not losing because of Papelbon.
you are right they are not....they are losing because they are old and broken down...but thats a huge part of the reason why giving out a five year monster deal to a closer was epically dumb
also lol at slotting salaries on a baseball team....lidge had to be replaced at the same amount of money??...that is so ignorant especially when you consider lidge was not the closer last year...why did you have to pay a closer 50+ mil over 5 years because lidge left?
couldnt lidges and madsons combined 18 million been filled by a combination of offense and bullpen (both closer and set up)...the shortsightedness on all aspects of paplebons deal both by fans and smug is just staggering....or maybe it isnt...maybe this is the downside of success....the front office gets a diluted sense of self worth and the fanbase thinks the team can do no wrong
They're old and broken according to you so pretty much nothing could have been done to save this season. Again, according to you.
well lets see what happens next year...if they come back and paplebon is on his knees hugging chooch in late october 2013 then my direction of the team will have been way off
if i am the gm though i sell like a motherfarger this year and start the rebuilding rather than the highly unlikely chance that you win a world series in the coming years with the team that much older...because every year you try and hold onto the past you are setting your team back two/three years further into the future...
admittedly this is not an easy thing to do for the sitting gm because by selling you are admitting you farged up....but you have to be progressive
but as for paplebon the contract was stupid even if you dont think this current teams world series years are over.....it just looks much worse if you think they are done
do you ever see the yankees or red sox sell?
the phillies are in the same position money wise, especially with their tv deal coming up soon. they need to start acting like a big money team and retool, not rebuild.
Exactly, Sunny.
I wouldn't mind them selling a piece here or there but not for "prospects". If they get major league ready talent I'm fine with that.
no one is close to being on yankees level certainly not the phillies...but what sperates the phillies from the other big boys like boston is they dont have rich owners...they also dont have a regional tv network like nesn or yes (yes being national)....but the difference is the amount of available cash beyond revenue the phillies have to pull from...a billionaire owner makes a big difference and the phils dont have that....which is why they cant do things like go way over the luxury tax
this is why the nationals are so scary....their revenue streams are pathetic yet they can give ridiculous contracts to jayson werth because their owners have bottomless pockets...when the nats start selling out consistently and get a real tv deal look out...angels are another good example of this...second class citizens in their own city...not huge reven streams but insanely rich owner....in other words until the phillies are sold to someone with deep pockets they can never be considered on a level with these other teams
but even with unlimited money expensive retooling doesnt really work...what you need to do is add big FA piece here or there AND fill positions with your own young players to an already existing foundation of homegrown guys...the phillies have an entire roster all getting old at once because they havent added a quality homegrown guy in like six or seven years...granted a lot of this is because they had an amazing streak of homegrown talent work out but where have they been able to fill a spot here or there with legit young talent...it hasnt happened...if galvis and dom pan out then those will be the first...but there isnt much behind them
not even the yankees could build an entire roster off FA and really this is the main difference when talking about the current phillies....its literally an entire roster full of 33 year olds with a few garbage young players...the one exception being heidi
middleton is a billionaire, but i'm sure he can't just throw extra money at something whether he wants to or not.
you also cant just have money....you have to be willing to spend it
from all accounts he is. i think his hands are tied by the group as a whole. i think if the other coots offered to sell their shares to him he'd gobble it up.
but i agree when you say you can't just add FA every year and expect to have a great team. 2006 - 2010 they were good because they had homegrown talent in most positions and supplemented with FA.
the lee to seattle trade and the hunter pence trade are both trades that will haunt them for years because of the lack of farm system they now have
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2012, 07:15:13 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 05, 2012, 10:18:39 PM
Disgusting farging losers.
Thanks to Juan Samuel too - sent Fontenot for no reason
yeah it definitely wasnt the highest paid closer in mlb historys fault
small picture: i said it the day it farging happened and no one would listen...just an embarrassingly bad deal smug gave him...romey actually steadfastly defended it...in one sense not surprising because every time a philly team signs someone its a great move and eveytime they lose someone the other team overpaid but still to defend this deal is just stupifying
big picture: last night will always be the night that the torch was officially passed from the phils to the nationals....nats score two in the bottom of the 9th to win and the phillies give up two in the bottom of the ninth to lose
Oh don't get me wrong - Johnny Paps owns that one. Giving up the leadoff double to Ike Davis who couldn't hit off a goddamn tee and then nibbling around something called a Jordanny Valdespin because dude did yardwork on him last month was PATHETIC
Shane hitting 2nd tonight and Pierre 7th. Makes sense...
Quote from: SunMo on July 06, 2012, 09:59:22 AM
do you ever see the yankees or red sox sell?
the phillies are in the same position money wise, especially with their tv deal coming up soon. they need to start acting like a big money team and retool, not rebuild.
how can they retool? they have nothing to retool on.
cesar hernandez? sebastion valle? dom brown? lol
last i checked they traded all their good AA and AAA prospects away to win a world series they never won. they lost draft picks to sign cliff lee, papelbon and raul ibanez to win a world series they never won.
what little talent they do have is in A ball and those might or might not pan out and regardless are years away from doing so. they are old, slow, broken down and signing a few 29 or 30 year olds for big money isnt going to do anything about that.
i know you all are in love with this team but you have to see they are an old horse that needs to be put down
The owners aren't rich. Except the billionaire.
Classic :CF
Would have been fun to have been there for Howard's double. Since then pretty glad these losers are only on TV.
basticho is the new arsonist.
Goddamn bum.
Bwahahahaha
and after walking in the first run after having Chipper down to 2 strikes....
Grand Slam given up to McCann.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
With each bullpen farg up they should hook jumper cables up to Amaro's farging nuts and shock the shtein out of him.
farg you Ruben Amaro Jr.
just wait until utley and howard get back
lol
just wait for Kruk and Daulton to get back!
so since the savior chase utley has been back (over a week) the phillies have won exactly 1 game
and on the night the guy who made the last out in the last two playoff series returns they score 0 runs
maybe...and im just spitballing here...maybe they suck?
Fire sale!
Actual rumor: Reds interested in Juan Pierre.
only 8.5 back from the second wild card spot and they only have to pass seven teams to get there
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2012, 11:00:45 PM
only 8.5 back from the second wild card spot and they only have to pass seven teams to get there
#BELIEVE
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 06, 2012, 10:45:28 PM
Fire sale!
Actual rumor: Reds interested in Juan Pierre.
but dont you love the way he plays? hustle! grit!
Only white guys can play with grit. Duh.
according to shane victorino the real season started tonight because the regular lineup is back
so to correct the standings, the phillies are actually 0-1. now how many games back of a playoff spot are they now?
Roughly 400 games until they clinch the East in 2014.
:-D x 1 million!! farging Samuel. Please tell me you all saw that. Goddamed season summed up right there.
could GRIT possibly be any more well done
when they trade him next year can philly still keep jen?
they are both on laguna beach in three years tops....
Quote from: Don Ho on July 07, 2012, 08:46:07 PM
:-D x 1 million!! farging Samuel. Please tell me you all saw that. Goddamed season summed up right there.
I see...
The Minnesota Twins and Texas Rangers.
i know its been beaten to death but how truly farging awful is their pen this year
It cant be reiterated enough, this bullpen blows. Schwimer may be the only one I trust right now. It's that bad.
Mayberry, Victorino, Spaz, Charlie, farging regular Harvard think tank.
igy writes for the Inquirer now:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120708_Inside_the_Phillies__Phillies__bullpen_priorities_misguided.html
they had no choice
he had to be slotted into lidges salary spot
Just saw on Baseball Tonight that Pineapple Head was removed from the lineup. They speculated trades but then said that the beat writers are saying he came into the locker room and saw be was hitting 7th and walked out without a word. Not sure if he went and bitched to Charlie.
Good job, Vic! You're stinking the joint up and you have the balls to bitch about where you're at in the lineup.
Seriously, farg these guys.
I'd trade his ass to the highest bidder, he should be able to bring a mid level prospect or two, he's a hell of a defensive outfielder, still has good speed on the basepaths, and is playoff tested. Trade his ass and send a message. I'm not saying this season is salvageable by any means, but going forward it sends a message to the rest of the team.
he had to go anyway but i agree ship his ass asap...he doesnt play another game for this team as far as im concerned
this douchebag pridie has already made me forget him
Brutal. This team is just brutal to watch right now.
Jeez...
Let the Pridie era begin.
1-5 against Mets and Braves has officially bolted the door shut. Season was over a few weeks ago but now just sit back, relax, enjoy your summer, drink up and count down to training camp.
So does the Ryne Sandberg era begin soon? I can't see how they'd let Charlie finish out the season at this point. I just watched his post game presser, I know he's usually a jolly idiot but at least you got the sense that he gave a shtein. Not getting that sense anymore. You can only come up with the same excuse for so long.
It's pretty evident the old country bumpkin has lost this group. You're right that it's time to cut bait, but I doubt seriously they'll can him.
I don't think it matters one way or another anyway. They're just plain dreadful right now and that's really not Cholly's fault. This catastrophe rests squarely on Smug's narrow shoulders.
firing him this year would be about as low rent bush league a move as there would ever have been
i have major problems with the guy as a manager.....but he did win a world series and is the winingest manager in team history...to fire him in the middle of a season where you were decimated by injuries and have a roster that is gotten old before our eyes would be outrgeous...but if there is anyone to do something so low its definitely smug....i could ossibly see him doing it to try and take heat off himself...but i think theres less than a 1% chance hes fired this season
i could see him retiring after the year
Yeah, give him a gentle push out the door at the end of the year but giving him the boot now would be awful. And just unfair, really.
50 losses at the break.
When are Mike Mimbs and Garrett Stephenson pitching? Oh that was fifteen years ago? I couldn't tell the difference.
Firing Charlie would be wrong on a thousand levels. He deserves to finish out and also to be back next year.
It's the players not the manager who are the problem.
It's the managers job to lead and motivate those players. Maybe they're not a playoff team but there's enough talent to be .500. Uncle Cholly is just as at fault as RAJ is. Sure it's easy to not hate on Cholly because he's one of the good ole boys while RAJ is a smug assface but they deserve equal blame.
Was he just as responsible for the 102 wins last year?
"Don't waste your time, guys."
- James Calvin Rollins
Awesome.
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2012, 07:44:29 PM
Was he just as responsible for the 102 wins last year?
Just as responsible as smug was for assembling that team.
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
"Don't waste your time, guys."
- James Calvin Rollins
Awesome.
Could have said that in march and saved the homers some time
Been out of the loop a few days. What's new?
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
"Don't waste your time, guys."
- James Calvin Rollins
Awesome.
To the reporters gathered around his locker. He talked to one by phone later.
Gonna kill him for this?
Quote from: SD on July 08, 2012, 07:09:55 PM
It's the managers job to lead and motivate those players. Maybe they're not a playoff team but there's enough talent to be .500. Uncle Cholly is just as at fault as RAJ is. Sure it's easy to not hate on Cholly because he's one of the good ole boys while RAJ is a smug assface but they deserve equal blame.
They were 28-25 at one point until the bullpen went even further into the shteinter (along with some of the SPs).
Charlie doesn't deserve as much heat as Amaro. He didn't assemble the team or decide who to call up. He uses which future pizza deliverymen he's given.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 08, 2012, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: Rome on July 08, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
"Don't waste your time, guys."
- James Calvin Rollins
Awesome.
To the reporters gathered around his locker. He talked to one by phone later.
Gonna kill him for this?
No. Just another in a long line of dismissive comments from these pampered iceholes. And he was referring to Victorino in that comment, as in, don't bother trying to talk to him.
Yawn. Who cares, right?
I don't get worked up when athletes refuse to talk. They'll talk when ready. Nothing says they're obligated to speak in-depth or even at all.
It says a lot when you talk only when things are going great
Don't get me wrong I love jimmy but homeboy is a frontrunner
Quote from: MDS on July 09, 2012, 01:49:34 AM
It says a lot when you talk only when things are going great
Don't get me wrong I love jimmy but homeboy is a frontrunner
this couldnt possibly be further from the truth....he basically hasnt stopped talking since he came into the league...when the phillies couldnt get over the hump (far from being front runners) it was his talking that won them the world series
plus as romey pointed out he wasnt not talking yesterday...he was telling the press not to bother talking to victorino
He's been as quiet as anything this year
I can't get mad at the little guy but the 08 jimmy personality be gone
he talks after every game and never hides from the press which is what you were insinuating
if now you are saying he isnt talking shtein well then obviously...they are a 1000 games out of first....what are you supposed to do
I'm pretty sure he doesn't do that
I ain't lookin for trash talking, I'm lookin for jimmy
hes there same as always....he and the team just suck now
[WIP] He should shut his goddamn mouth! Except when reporters ask him a question because the fans deserve to hear![/WIP]
After Phillie-killer HOF Hairston hit a HR off Lee last Wednesday (http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22831197&c_id=mlb), Franzke went to commercial break and it didn't cut right away. Awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EEUBDjQdec
hahah makes me love Franzke even more.
Haha that's great
Makes me loathe wheeler even more
Sounds like he's probably getting close to killing himself.
Exactly the same reaction the rest of us had.
That is fantastic.
probably was a long shot anyway but he pretty much just ruined any chance he had of getting the tv job one day
Makes me love Hairston even more
^ 1st post by Die Hard in a Phillies thread since 2003. ^
hey Jay...Ruben says hi
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9792/amarog.jpg)
haha - I saw that on CB this morning and cracked up.
"Yo Rube! Your bullpen sucks! Thanks for shteinbags like BJ Rosenberg"
And that's what his response would be.
What's in that bucket Rube? Hope it's to puke in.
I farging love Franzke!
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2012, 01:24:19 PM
hes there same as always....he and the team just suck now
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0177432be627970d-pi)
like i told you, its a front running team full of bitches. you can rightfully say they dont need to talk but they go about it very two face. when shtein goes bad they hide. when shtein is good they are in the front of the line.
^^^^^
reporter catches feelings
you dont honestly believe every single player on the team doesnt talk do you?
just watch the post game locker room every night or read the paper for quotes and you can see that jimmy is there talking (as are others) 99% of the time...but are there some iceholes like victorino sure
you arent very smart at this sports reporter stuff for trying to be one
Reporters by and large are fat, white, middle class, smug, non-athletic dicks who use their bully pulpits to criticize athletes who've achieved more professionally than they ever will. This isn't exactly news.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 10, 2012, 08:21:21 PM
^^^^^
reporter catches feelings
you dont honestly believe every single player on the team doesnt talk do you?
just watch the post game locker room every night or read the paper for quotes and you can see that jimmy is there talking (as are others) 99% of the time...but are there some iceholes like victorino sure
you arent very smart at this sports reporter stuff for trying to be one
ummm no
utley is notorious for not talking at various points, generally after a loss. same goes for howard.
the fact is this team has been babied by the organization over the past 6 years and its been masked by all the winning. i personally do not catch feelings over it since it is not my copy being lowered because i was forced to talk to brad lidge for the 10000th time.
again i know you love jimmy but the dude is who is he is. no one is perfect, not even david simon or nick backay.
when you realized how assinine you were you switched your whole argument from rollins doesnt talk to the team in general doesnt talk
i really could care less about the team as a whole but you also are comepletely offbase about utley...yeah he doesnt talk but he didnt talk when they were winning and hasnt talked since the day he arrived
its like you have never followed this team before
Apparently Papelboner and Chooch had a "moment" last night and are going to turn this thing around. LITERALLY
I can't wait for the closer to put the team on his back.
so no one is excited that the phils are going to have home field advantage in the WS?
Yeah, in 2019.
gammons is on wip right now:
--the yankees would defintiely give up a strong package of prospects for phifer
--dodgers would give a top prospect and a good prospect for victorino (ummm do this today)
I would jizz my pants if they could pull both of those deals off.
Olney said that the Phils are going to make a final push to re-sign Hamels in the next three days.
I'll believe it when I see it...
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 12, 2012, 08:11:10 AM
gammons is on wip right now:
--the yankees would defintiely give up a strong package of prospects for phifer
--dodgers would give a top prospect and a good prospect for victorino (ummm do this today)
Yanks don't have as deep of a farm system as other teams that may offer a package for him. I'd love to see a bidding war.
And yes on getting rid of Shane, do it now before they change their minds.
dodgers are the perfect team to victimize right now because they have more money than god and owners who want to win now at any cost
Victorino should be dealt immediately if they're offering that. Then the punk LA fans who hated him can pretend to love him and his pop outs and bonehead mistakes.
Lee has a limited no trade and I doubt he'd waive it to go to NYY.
Besides trading him would be dumb.
Trading Lee is not dumb. Hamels is 5 years younger and still getting better.
What the farg are you smoking?
yeah...other than choke lee is number one on the list of people to move
and he absolutely would go to ny...they were his second choice when he signed with the phillies...not to mention they win...a lot
Its only dumb if you think they can win a world series in 2013, which is an absurd thing to think.
His contract is hideous and hes only going to get worse from here. They need young players, not old ones. They cannot win now. It is over.
I'd give Lee away for free at this point
Haha... stop it.
Quote from: Rome on July 12, 2012, 06:34:55 PM
Haha... stop it.
Why? It's $25 million they'd have to spend elsewhere...do you really think he's worth that much money? You have a choice right now, you either keep Hamels or Lee...which one are you taking?
You don't give a guy with Lee's resume away for nothing. He's still a top of the line ace. His win/loss record this year has been the result of incredibly bad luck, that's all. I will say that if I had to choose between him and Hamels I'd take the Coal Train and if the Phillies are concerned about money and the money they're paying Lee would go to him, I'd be fine with trading him. But not for nothing. That's just boneheaded.
Fine...you trade him for a mid level prospect then. You aren't getting much more.
The Gammons comment pointed toward a set of prospects, not some pygmy playing A-ball in North Dakota.
gammons speaks into an unplugged microphone half of the time. i doubt strokey mcstroke has any real sources anymore
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 12, 2012, 02:59:50 PM
Victorino should be dealt immediately if they're offering that. Then the punk LA fans who hated him can pretend to love him and his pop outs and bonehead mistakes.
That's exactly what will happen. Plus I get to hear the phony farg Doyer fans here jump on the local boy playing for LA. I can hear it now on the local radio sports show "Oh, the Phillies blew it, We get Victorino now, he's still really good, he's really gonna help, etc. etc." Those fakes haven't seen what we've seen the past two seasons.
Quote from: SunMo on July 12, 2012, 07:00:10 PM
gammons speaks into an unplugged microphone half of the time. i doubt strokey mcstroke has any real sources anymore
Sad and probably true.
Quote from: Rome on July 12, 2012, 06:54:46 PM
The Gammons comment pointed toward a set of prospects, not some pygmy playing A-ball in North Dakota.
lee would bring more back than heidi because hes under contract....deal them both then resign heidi in the offseason
start an american league arms race...trade one to texas and one to the yanks
if they can trade lee i dont even think about dealing cole, not worth the risk
they need prospects back and victorino, lee, polanco, blanton should be able to cover that.
problem is lee's contract is so stupid it might have tough to fully move AND get a legit return
like sd said you dont need a real return for phifer....losing his contract is the return you get...even i think he would bring back more than you think
do you want them to just sign grienke instead of having lee? cause thats what rube will do
he will keep playing this game forever because the farm system is depleted. they need good players that dont cost 15 mil per season. the nationals have like 20 of them.
I lol'd at the thought of Gammons talking to himself with an unplugged mic.
Also - half of you are nuts and should be drug tested. You do not trade Halladay, Lee or Hamels. Pitching wins and to give it away is dumber than shtein.
Quit talking about dumping money too. This ain't 1992.
Stark is reporting that they're preparing an offer for Hamels and thinking of going against the team policy of going more than 5yrs for a pitcher.
QuoteThe Phillies plan to offer Cole Hamels a large contract extension in order to see if they can lock the southpaw up before the July 31 trade deadline, reports ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. The size of the proposal is unknown, though a source tells Stark that the Phillies have debated about whether or not to break their unofficial club policy of not signing a pitcher to more than five guaranteed years.
We recently heard that the Phillies were willing to go beyond four years to sign Hamels, though if the Phils aren't willing to go beyond five years, Hamels could easily get a minimum six-year deal on the open market this winter. If it's just length and not money (an estimated $24-25MM per season) that's the issue, the gap could possibly be closed by a vesting option.
This could explain why the Phillies are internally optimistic that they can re-sign Hamels, Stark hears from two executives from opposing teams.
"They're trying to sign him," said one of those executives. "And they think it's going to happen. At least that's what I was told."
If Hamels turns down the offer, then the Phillies could explore trading the southpaw before the trade deadline, though Stark notes that the Phillies intend to wait as long as possible to decide if they'll be sellers given that Chase Utley, Ryan Howard are off the DL and Roy Halladay will also soon return.
It's not even like CLiff lee's skills have fallen off this year...his velocity has been fine. He's been a little unlucky, and the times he has missed his spots the hitters have been doing what they're supposed to do.
Halladay is the more worrisome one because of how bad he looked early....but his contract is also up after next year because he's not going to vest his option now
Doc has looked weak this season after his great first opening day at Pittsburgh. Just looks like he's getting gassed earlier every year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 13, 2012, 12:32:59 AM
Pitching wins and to give it away is dumber than shtein.
common misnomer....pitching doesnt really win anymore than hitting
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 13, 2012, 07:09:40 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 13, 2012, 12:32:59 AM
Pitching wins and to give it away is dumber than shtein.
common misnomer....pitching doesnt really win anymore than hitting
this was proven painstakingly well last year in the NLDS
Did they sign Cole yet?
Sine Coal!!
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/07/tigers-lead-local-mlb-ratings-rangers-have-biggest-increase/
phillies arent even the top 5 anymore
bandwagon coming apart at the seems
ratings down 800% in burlington and camden counties
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/425139_10151948280255492_1727752410_n.jpg)
Boom?
how much of a joke is john mayberry....god damn guy is 6'6 230 and is batting eigth...just catapult him into an alligator moat
I'd rather have Lee hit eighth.
this pos starting for the rockies tonight has career 9.62 era and .389 opponent batting average at coors
so how many runs does the phillies 2007 era lineup put up?
Probably 0 or 1, because they had a habit of making nobody's look like cy young winners even back then
Valdes on DL with a hip strain. Savery recalled.
I really shouldn't care, but is anyone else having trouble getting the mlb.tv feed tonight?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 13, 2012, 08:54:22 PM
I really shouldn't care, but is anyone else having trouble getting the mlb.tv feed tonight?
For whatever reason my local feed is a black screen...been this way for a while. Every other channel works fine.
Same on MLB.com, screen says Technical Difficulties on the Philly site. Getting the Rockies network with no problem.
i got it loud and clear on my tv
Wheels loud & clear? Ouch.
no on the package is denver....thank god
I wasn't getting any of them to work except LA-ARZ at the time. It's working now, except I couldn't get Franzke/LA overlaid (could be a laptop issue since I'm still out of town), so I went with the COL announcers. I'm in no mood for Wheeler... not that anyone ever really is.
Whoever said they'd make the Rockies SP look like Cy Young and be held to 0-1 runs wins a handjob from MDS.
Now Lee giving it up.
I Enjoyed not watching the games over the break.
i may be alone on this but i think they need a hundred more years of phifer at 25 mil per
Or maybe some runs?
he lost the nlds last year and has an era this year of 4
lolsmugpaplebonshortedbullpen
Trade him for some mid level prospects and let Kendrick take his spot then...
Schwimer farging sucks.
Ballgame over.
Lee's yak job in last year's NLDS is what he'll be remembered for. As great as he pitched against the Yankees in the 09 WS, last year's collapse at home with that 4 run cushion might just be his legacy as a Phil.
Rocky Mountain air not a good remedy for a team that sucks as bad as this.
6-1...about to be 15 out.
Death to Amaro and this collection of fargups
Quote from: SD on July 13, 2012, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 13, 2012, 08:54:22 PM
I really shouldn't care, but is anyone else having trouble getting the mlb.tv feed tonight?
For whatever reason my local feed is a black screen...been this way for a while. Every other channel works fine.
Black screen sounds real good about now.
A+ mock job on Chooch by the Coors Field crowd.
chooch went from the most underrated player in the league to the most overrated in one years time
lol @ the name "rex brothers"
Geez, I was really hoping they'd chip away at those 14 games they need to make up. Darn.
15 games out after tonight. Bada bing bada boom.
even when they suck god damn i love meself some jimmy
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 13, 2012, 10:49:33 PM
chooch went from the most underrated player in the league to the most overrated in one years time
Are you drunk?
i honestly feel bad for chooch
hes the only producing. pence behind him, whats left of utley and howard in front of him. stuck in the middle of crap.
then mr. 4-0 lead coughs up more runs to the rockies. god damnit get rid of his hillbilly choking ass.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 13, 2012, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 13, 2012, 10:49:33 PM
chooch went from the most underrated player in the league to the most overrated in one years time
Are you drunk?
not at all
lets be honest tho....only a true homer would think he doesnt have a .258 - 7 - 42 year next season
Hey look, I'm just excited to see Victorino and Hillbilly raise their trade value with these great performances tonight. I smell prospects!
Nice, the Rockies who are basically made up of duct tape and some twine right now just beat the shtein out of the bums varsity squad.
the rockies are being held together by duct tape?
this is the problem with much of the fanbase and the front office....they think the phillies are way better than they are...no phillie fan should EVER talk down another team and act like the philies shouldnt be losing to them....if the rockies lost tonight theyd be saying the same thing....how the farg did we lose to this broken down POS JV high school baseball team
i seriously cant stop laughing at the "just wait for utley and howard to get back" people
oh my god
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 14, 2012, 12:43:15 AM
the rockies are being held together by duct tape?
this is the problem with much of the fanbase and the front office....they think the phillies are way better than they are...no phillie fan should EVER talk down another team and act like the philies shouldnt be losing to them....if the rockies lost tonight theyd be saying the same thing....how the farg did we lose to this broken down POS JV high school baseball team
No doubt the Phillies are bad and most of the fanbase has come to the conclusion that this run is officially over. Phillies had the 2012 A team in last night and one of the Gods pitching. That lineup "should" be able to beat a team missing Helton, Tulowitzki, starting some kid named Rutledge in his first big league game and facing a pitcher like Friedrich.
Buster Olney reporting asking price for Vic is very, very high.
GO GET 'EM, SMUGGIE!
they could also deal jimmy to sf or la, somewhere hed go where they need a ss
as much as i love the kid its what they need to do. like it or not galvis is the future and he needs to play ss. you cant survive with that type of offensive production at 2b from him.
if they can trade jimmy, lee, and maybe utley and halladay this winter they should have more than enough money to go after king felix and a bat--which is what they need because their target for winning a title should be 2014-16
GRIT is untradable
True, because this team doesn't have it anymore.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 14, 2012, 05:37:30 PM
GRIT is untradable
you wont get much for him and with 1 year left on his contract and 2013 a wash anyway it wont matter
but my thinking is they might as well start cesar hernandez and freddy galvis up the middle next year and see where that goes. bringing back utley for one more season so he can hit .245 for a last place team doesnt really do much of anything for anybody.
Nice win last night. They won, right? It's hard to tell sometimes.
wins are losses these days....the worst possible scenario is for them to be fooled into thinking they are wild card players
lol - enjoy the wins and decry the losses. that's how it works unless you're bound and determined to be a miserable douche.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Quote from: Rome on July 15, 2012, 11:34:33 AM
lol - enjoy the wins and decry the losses. that's how it works unless you're bound and determined to be a miserable douche.
its a fundemental difference btwn homers and haters....you sir are a super dooper homer....i am a hater...we arent supposed to understand each other
i cheer when they win and boo when they lose.
The front office and players know they're out of it even if they don't say so publicly. I hope they play well enough to keep attendance relatively high. High attendance = Better team
They can rebuild the bullpen in the offseason, and convince the droves that they'll be better because they had some injuries, now have a better bullpen, and just had a down year.
I hope they win because winning is more enjoyable to watch than losing.
- SUPERHOMER
Did anyone else just see what I saw?
ODB looked like ODB again.
We may never see ODB throw 7 pitches in an inning and have it end on a positive note again.
Homer bat signal came out already?
The repetitive troll one certainly did.
Halladay will start Tuesday against the Dodgers. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/phillies-halladay-set-return-dl-184254128--mlb.html)
I'm so sorry, let me rephrase
"Wow, 2 in a row! Maybe theyll make a run now. ODB looked good!"
Like Rome said, Smug has to know that the season is toast. So rooting for them to lose is really lame.
Olney: "Source:PHI's forthcoming offer to Hamels expected to be in the ballpark that they know the left-hander will want, this close to free agency."
The season has been unofficially over for weeks. But it would be nice to see them make a run just same. Just get it back to respectability and then maybe, just maybe they have a Cardinals-like miracle in them.
Who the farg knows. I know there's nothing on television worth watching until September so I might as well watch these iceholes.
If they reach a deal with Hamels, does Smuggie try to make moves to "try" to make a run this year or unload Vic/Pence/whoever to get pieces in place for 2013?
I hope they play well enough to be entertaining but I don't want them to play well enough to fool us all into thinking this group has a shot next year. I know that sounds idiotic after what I just posted but the truth is this team isn't built for the next five years. It has to be radically remade. If you look at the lineup figure at least four of them are gone next year:
1. Rollins... 95/5 shot he stays (contract).
2. Victorino... 100% gone.
3. Chase... 90/10 again because of the contract.
4. Howard... 100% stays.
5. Pence... 10/90 he stays (I wouldn't mind him staying but he's going to make retarded money and he's not worth it).
6. Chooch... 100% stays.
7. Polly... 100% gone.
8. Goawayberry... 100% chance he's gone as a starter but he might stick around as a sub.
So, the only three guaranteed Phillies starters (assuming no injuries) are Chooch, Chase & Howard. The rest are absolutely gone or are teetering on the edge of oblivion. If Smug decides to start the retooling process now, that's fine. Get rid of whatever you can and get prospects back. That doesn't mean cut Hamels loose, though. In fact I'd cut loose any other player on the team but him. He's your bedrock and you build around him.
I'd be taking offers for Victorino, get the best one and wave him good bye. The Phils aren't going to get the return on Pence that they gave up. It was fun to mock Wade for that trade but Singleton and Cosart are ranked the #1 and 2 prospects in Houston's farm system and Domingo Santana is ranked 6th.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Addendum-to-outfield-scenarios.html
The Phils would be lucky to get a teams #1 prospect and another decent player right now.
Disagree on the 100% for Chooch.
You can't go any higher than 100%.
He's got maybe 2-3 decent years left, his value will never be higher, and plenty of teams could use him. Considering his cheap contract, he would return more in trade than Utley and Howard combined.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 16, 2012, 06:29:28 AM
He's got maybe 2-3 decent years left, his value will never be higher, and plenty of teams could use him. Considering his cheap contract, he would return more in trade than Utley and Howard combined.
I doubt you'd ever get what he is worth in a trade.
No chance Chooch gets traded. There would be a riot.
cant imagine chooch ever going...mostly because there is no legit plan for replacing him....plus his salary is so low it doesnt allow you to fill another spot on the roster....thus it makes little sense to move him
There's Sebastian valle but who really knows about him
Id trade anyone who doesn't factor into a projected 2015 world series team. That should be the target year
Wrong. Everyone knows the Cubs are going to beat Miami in 2015.
Hamels offered 5 years/$120 million. Same deal as Lee.
Dodgers want Cole and Jimmy.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 16, 2012, 04:12:40 PM
Wrong. Everyone knows the Cubs are going to beat Miami in 2015.
haha
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 16, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
Hamels offered 5 years/$120 million. Same deal as Lee.
The amount is right but the years are off. I doubt he signs unless they offer him a 6 which he knows he's going to get on the open market.
Yep. Almost seems like smug just wanted to claim he tried.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 16, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
Hamels offered 5 years/$120 million. Same deal as Lee.
my guess is they ask for and get a vesting 6th year. Maybe same type of deal as halladay, innings pitched in the 4th and 5th years of the deal
Is anyone even watching this game? I could not imagine staying up until after 12 AM to watch these clowns. Only hearing Vin Scully is keeping me remotely interested.
Vin Scully describing Pence the Spaz's swing is priceless.
I just turned the ballgame on...first time I have seen them since Friday.
Vin calls him papelbone. And then there's Carlos ru-ease
Papel BONE. Scully with the Baton Rouge twang going on.
Did you hear Scully call Victorino "the Captain out there". Yeah, Captain of the Titanic.
World series express alllllllll aboard
Fewest walks / 9 innings in MLB [min. 100 IP]: 1. Colby Lewis [1.08], 2. Joe Blanton [1.22], 3. Mark Buehrle [1.34], 4. Bartolo Colon [1.47]
fatty sacrifices walks for home runs
Guy making his MLB debut vs Roy Halladay tonight.
This will be fun.
so when they are on their 8th win after sunday will you haters be back in?
get on the train now when the fare is cheap. hop on this puppy, its going straight to the 5th seed for a 1 game wc playoff. holla. 1.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 17, 2012, 06:43:56 PM
Guy making his MLB debut vs Roy Halladay tonight.
This will be fun.
So far this Barney Fife characters got the bums number through 4.
I'm listening to LA and Franzke. Was Choke even close at the plate? LA didn't go into a bitter tirade so I'm assuming it wasn't that close.
Very close, man. I thought he was safe. He slid to the inside and the tag was on his shoulder but his hands were in.
J, what's wrong with us? Probably the only two just sick enough to be watching/listening to this shtein show.
HA! Franzke says "Dwight Howard's here!" after a loud roar by the crowd. LA comes back with "No, Ryan Howard's here!". You could hear Franzke fighting back the laughter for about a minute and LA says "What? Ryan Howard is here".
I love those two.
#joinordie
oooooooooohhhhh shtein
make it 4 johnny paps. pencers with a clutch knock. bullpen 4 scoreless. doc back. whats that music i hear?
SOUNDS LIKE A PARADE
worst fears realized
They still suck.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 18, 2012, 12:03:38 AM
J, what's wrong with us? Probably the only two just sick enough to be watching/listening to this shtein show.
Haha - I turned it off and went to bed and fell asleep listening to it before they rallied. I figured it was lost and I'd be pissed for wasting sleep time on the bums.
Nice surprise to wake up to. A comeback win!
Latest Hamels offer rumor: 6/$130m
Lee gives up a run on two hits and still isn't winning.
matt kemp is gonna send everyone home
lets get into another debate about that, theyve gone so well in the past
This inning perfectly illustrates why Cholly needs to go. Jason Pridie with all of 51 career hits gets the nod with the bases loaded, not the guy with 2100 career hits. Nope. He's standing at 3rd having run for Howard.
in a 1-1 game in the 9th the phillies have had someone named pridie batting in a big spot and another guy named horst pitching in a big spot
yeah this team is headed for glory
holy shtein is charlie a train wreck
After Kendrick struck out Kemp, Charlie went to see a man about a Horst.
Haha... now Ross Geller can't find the plate.
im not trying to defend schimmer because hes a bum but i dont think he was ready yet...he wasnt up very long at all...and if you saw charlie coming out of the dugout he went to doobie twice and asked him something...either he didnt know what he was supposed to on the mound or he was making sure schimmer was ready
I guess Papelbon isn't available. Or anyone else on Earth, for that matter.
That was a nasty pitch.
hes warmed up now....that was a pretty slick slider
i hope charlie is proud using four pitchers to get out the ninth inning in a tie game on the road
im telling you they arent losing until next weekends series in atl
its just gonna happen, charlie being a retard or not. some things just are. #joinoride
Rollins with a clutch leadoff walk. Let's see how Vic does here!
Why sacrifice Rollins over? Why not have him try to steal a base on his own? Jesus Christ I hate this team.
Now they walk Utley to get to Chorch.
Quote from: Rome on July 18, 2012, 06:10:13 PM
Why sacrifice Rollins over? Why not have him try to steal a base on his own? Jesus Christ I hate this team.
id agree with this at any other part of the order...but with what you have coming up after victorino its the right move
They walked Chase so it was a perfect waste of an out.
Quote from: Rome on July 18, 2012, 06:13:42 PM
They walked Chase so it was a perfect waste of an out.
thats right i forgot in extra innings your number 8 hitter bats after your #3
also outs dont matter a whole lot here...you need one run...they arent trying to start a rally...having someone in scoring position is much more important than one out
Come on, Spaz. Do SOMETHING.
Nice
come on kids there is plenty of room on the bandwagon
get IN. nothing else to do until september.
HUNTERPENCEYWORLDSERIEZZZBABAYALLABOARDTHEMDSPHILLIEZBANDWAGON!!1
hunter pence now leads the majors in go ahead rbi
If this result holds, Lee and Schwimer will be tied in the wins column.
He also has sexy facial hair. No homo.
JPaps with the obligatory leadoff double!
i miss ryan madson
The Reds are really enjoying him.
he definitely doesnt get hurt if he stays on the phils....he was so cheap too
Like $1 million less per year than Papsy. That could land you another Jason Pridie-like bench bat!
51 million > 8 million
12.50 a year > 8 a year
just shocking that mcarthy thought he was safe with the naked eye
That's funny.... I don't recall hearing that Madson was ready to settle for that until much later in the off-season.
Would you say you're more of a hippo, or a troll?
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 18, 2012, 06:45:21 PM
That's funny.... I don't recall hearing that Madson was ready to settle for that until much later in the off-season.
Would you say you're more of a hippo, or a troll?
funny that i said a million times on this board and other places to wait him and the rest of the closer market out because prices would come way down...so id say im more soothssayer
one hard hit ball and they tie the game...bad luck all around there but one way or another papelbon cant blow that save. horrendous. just horrendous. his contract all told might be worse than howards.
Sickening
The worst contract is Jimmy's. He stinks.
First thing Magic and the new ownership has to do is demand they paint the seats blue in Dodger Stadium. The yellow just emphasizes the emptiness even more. Scully said 39K paid. OK.
It was a lot more crowded earlier, bro. A lot. Once the Phils went up 3-1 half the place headed for the beach and the other headed for the hood.
jesus that pitch was high
i know you dont want to play for a run with jake diekman pitching but come on charlie
well that was fun while it lasted
farg papelbon
trade everyone
OUT
I hate you all.
farg you Papelbon you piece of Cajun shtein. Hope a crawfish crawls up your ass.
Not like the offense had any chances. Now watch the Giants eat these helpless fargs alive.
typical homer fans disappear quicker than jimmy on twitter after a loss
you deserve this pos team go buy crab fries and post twit pics from the bank you flags
I'll be there Saturday. Thanks for the ideas
Getting my popcorn ready.
Was watching this game on my cellphone at a fast food restaurant somewhere in southern Georgia while driving home. Damn near broke my phone when Papelbon blew the save.
This team still sucks.
I would have smashed the Grand Slam dinner special over the nearest patron's head.
WorLOLey.
farging pathetic.
So......season's over until their next win, right?
no its really, really over this time
if papeldouche doesnt blow the save wednesday they dont lose for another week
by 2013 they could be: c- ruiz, 3b- texas rangers dude, ss-galvis, 2b-hernandez, 1b-choke, lf-lolmonic brown, cf-bourjos, rf-pence
cash that shtein stillupfront's mom
SELL
No Phillies anywhere today.
DIAF Fox.
why on earth would you want to watch this garbage
go to the beach or take a walk for gods sakes
Cain and Hamels managed to hit homers off each other.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 21, 2012, 05:11:59 PM
Cain and Hamels managed to hit homers off each other.
IN THE SAME INNING
Quote from: Rome on July 21, 2012, 04:41:26 PM
No Phillies anywhere today.
DIAF Fox.
Oh we are so lucky here as its on the local FOX affiliate. AND it's farging McCarthy and Mitch Williams doing the national broadcast. Homer Tmac let it all out during Choke's 3 run bomb.
Williams is a great color guy. TMac is actually tolerable with him in the booth.
Nix activated.
Pridie DFA'd.
MAAAyberry starts.
:crazy
KRATZ OR GTFO
Can't wait to find out how they lose this one...
THEY WIN! And who gives a farg.
Thank god the Dynasty reports this week.
Back to back dingers for Choke & Grit.
2-2
jimmy with his ML leading 27th infield pop up of the year
Doc melting right on schedule.
must be the humidity again
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2012, 07:41:00 PM
jimmy with his ML leading 27th infield pop up of the year
I thought he was your boy.
he is....in my top 5 all time favorite athletes....but for the millionth time im not a homer and am able to rip people on my own teams even if they are my favorites
you should try it sometime....might actually make you feel good
Hallasuck on fire again
Man oh man is 2013 gonna be bad
Holy farging shtein.
They win.
They actually came back to win.
Four runs in the ninth.
Phils rape KRod, and my fantasy team's era
Phils improve to 1-17 when Savery pitches.
^^^^^Post of the year^^^^ :-D
I should probably fall asleep a lot more while watching these iceholes.
Reports are that the Phillies are "eager" to move Hunter Pence.
I'm guessing they're probably going to move him to a team that DESERVES him more.
I heard he's taking over the role of Jesse in "Breaking Bad."
does that mean they want to resign victorino? or are they freeing up cash for a moronic run at cokehead hamilton
HOF in for pence next year....can he really be that much worse in the field and you gotta see if he will ever hit well enough to stay in the bigs
i had an actual wet dream thinking how good they could be in 14+beyond if they traded utley, lee, halladay, pence, victorino, polanco, pierre and blanton between now and the beginning of next season
and they wouldnt even need to get a starter back because king and big game james are FAs in 15. theyd have hamels, king/big game, worley, cloyd, ?. and they already have a 3/4ths of the infield set (choke, hernandez, galvis) and at least one OF (lolmonic brown).
gimme that team
6-1. I'm turning it off. Hell, it worked last night...
Lee is done and it's time to get him out of here. ASAP.
CHOOOOOOOOOOOOCH
Holy farging shtein.
Holy farging shtein!
Cliff Lee you lucky piece of shtein.
holy farging who cares
Jesus farging Christ...amazing.
Pence!
Looks like Ruiz stepped on the plate funny.
Lock it down Johnny Papsmear
It really does suck Chooch is having this incredible season during such a horrid season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2012, 09:49:25 PM
holy farging who cares
I get excited for a second than I remind myself these clowns are 14 games out.
How many games out are they if the pitching doesn't absolutely blow this year? 2 or 3?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 24, 2012, 09:13:22 PM
6-1. I'm turning it off. Hell, it worked last night...
And again tonight. Though I cheated and kept it on the computer.
Wish they would just drop off into the abyss so I can just focus on the upcoming football season.
catch the phever
Brewers play by play dude "Don't worry fans, there will be better days". :puke :puke :puke
lets go streaking?
theyve out played the brewers for exactly 1.5 innings in 2 games
please dont read too much into this
please
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b016768ba03c3970b-500wi)
what a douche
Bring on the Braves and Nats - the freight train is rollin'!
hopefully it derails and kills everyone at cbp
at least thatll rid them of those terrible lee and choke contracts
Rosenthal reporting they're close with Hamels on a 6yr $137.5M contract
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2012, 01:28:51 AM
Rosenthal reporting they're close with Hamels on a 6yr $137.5M contract
Now its done I think
I guess...this is, sigh, ok.
Jimmy took a not so thinly veiled shot at fans who left the game early!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2012, 01:28:51 AM
Rosenthal reporting they're close with Hamels on a 6yr $137.5M contract
ESPN saying worth more than 140M
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2012, 06:15:22 AM
Jimmy took a not so thinly veiled shot at fans who left the game early!
hes not the first...i have heard from dozens of people how awful the atmosphere is this year
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2012, 03:34:01 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2012, 01:28:51 AM
Rosenthal reporting they're close with Hamels on a 6yr $137.5M contract
Now its done I think
I guess...this is, sigh, ok.
its only ok if they move lee and if they get heidi done i suspect that is the plan
Quote from: SD on July 24, 2012, 10:02:12 PM
Wish they would just drop off into the abyss so I can just focus on the upcoming football season.
9.5 games back from the wild card with seven teams to jump over....i think you can safely concentrate on just football season...
to put things in perspective...they have a worse record than the brewers
The Phillies are my primary focus when they're on, meaning I dvr other shows or flip to them during breaks. I don't want to care at all. They're making it semi-enjoyable to watch.
And I guess we see which direction this team is heading in now, the re-tool and give it another try next season route.
theres just no way they can pay heidi and lee almost 50 mil combined and still be able to revamp the pen fill third base and two outfield positions
id rather have shawn marcum and a couple bull pen arms plus an upgrade at third base
and the elephant in the room that no one will address because everyone has tunnel vision on resigning heidi is that everyone else is getting older
heidi deal done btw
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
theres just no way they can pay heidi and lee almost 50 mil combined and still be able to revamp the pen fill third base and two outfield positions
id rather have shawn marcum and a couple bull pen arms plus an upgrade at third base
and the elephant in the room that no one will address because everyone has tunnel vision on resigning heidi is that everyone else is getting older
heidi deal done btw
they're probably not going to be addressing those posistions with any star players next year. 2014 will be the year. Next year those spots are gonna be filled with roll players that hopefully do a better job than this years roll players. The bullpen can't possibly be as bad next year
Quote from: Munson on July 25, 2012, 08:02:35 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
theres just no way they can pay heidi and lee almost 50 mil combined and still be able to revamp the pen fill third base and two outfield positions
id rather have shawn marcum and a couple bull pen arms plus an upgrade at third base
and the elephant in the room that no one will address because everyone has tunnel vision on resigning heidi is that everyone else is getting older
heidi deal done btw
they're probably not going to be addressing those posistions with any star players next year. 2014 will be the year. Next year those spots are gonna be filled with roll players that hopefully do a better job than this years roll players. The bullpen can't possibly be as bad next year
What kind of roll players? French? Wheat? Onion?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2012, 08:57:14 AM
Quote from: Munson on July 25, 2012, 08:02:35 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
theres just no way they can pay heidi and lee almost 50 mil combined and still be able to revamp the pen fill third base and two outfield positions
id rather have shawn marcum and a couple bull pen arms plus an upgrade at third base
and the elephant in the room that no one will address because everyone has tunnel vision on resigning heidi is that everyone else is getting older
heidi deal done btw
they're probably not going to be addressing those posistions with any star players next year. 2014 will be the year. Next year those spots are gonna be filled with roll players that hopefully do a better job than this years roll players. The bullpen can't possibly be as bad next year
What kind of roll players? French? Wheat? Onion?
the shake and rattle kind
Ironically, if they traded Lee now, they'd get even less than they got the last time.
The Phillies DESERVED Cole more than other teams.
Agreed?
The 2012 Phillies were the first team in history to have two starting pitchers making $20m+. Now they have three.
If you're counting, they have $95m tied up in 4 players for 2013, including Howard.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2012, 09:24:06 AM
Ironically, if they traded Lee now, they'd get even less than they got the last time.
that would be almost impossible to do...for one thing last time they dealt him in the offseason...this time youd have teams desperate to win a title now...like texas who has been so close but unable to get over the hump and has a loaded system...you can pit teams against each other which raises the price
that being said the prospects are almost secondary to being able to free up his money to stop the bloodshed that this team is going to incur over the next few years...everyone is getting old and/or going to be a free agent...so if their goal is to contend every single year and it clearly is with this heidi signing then lee has to go in order to properly fill all the other spos that are going to need addressing
not to mention lee IS one of the players getting old and degrading
COMPANION DEAL
whats really scary is their outfield for next year....they are farged as it stands now
pence would be a nice guy to move to get some prospects but that would leave all three spots in next years outfield needing to be addressed...if you can move lee then in the offseason you go get bourn and a cuddyer type player for lf to go along with pence...
3rd base is pretty much going to be a black hole next year as there isnt much you can do there but if you can significantly improve the outfield and add a couple bull pen arms then maybe you can make a run next year provided choke grit jimmy and halladay all have fountain of youth years...its a huge if...but none of it happens if you dont free up lees money
i personally would blow it all up but theres no point in even talking like that anymore because by giving heidi what they did says they are trying to be players every single year
How many of these deals do they have to sign before you get it through your head that they're not the bargain basement Phillies anymore?
Sunny... please help him here. I'm begging you.
They're not bargain basement but not wanting to get too deep into luxury tax hell.
yeah who said they were bargain basement...that went out when the money pit was built...romey living waaaay in the past
QuoteKen Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #Dodgers deal for Victorino or Pence possible even if team gets Dempster along with H. Ramirez. LA has been in talks with #Phillies.
LA is out of control
http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/live1
presser live
You can tell RAJ feels like he got gut punched and raked over the coals. Not as smug as usual!
hard to be smug when the team you put together and crowed about for the last two years sucks
Apparently you didn't watch last night!
i have heard the last 48 hours have been pretty special
There is noticeable tension here. RAJ must seriously have his face to the grindstone right now.
Cole just called Roy and Cliff "two of the best pitchers in baseball." Not anymore!
not even the two best pitchers on the team right now
i believe blanton has the best k/bb ratio in the majors
Sounds like he's due for a lucrative extension.
At this point they might be able to get the 3b from Texas and have them take on all of lee's salary. You have to rid yourself of him, you just have to.
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2012, 12:26:33 PM
At this point they might be able to get the 3b from Texas and have them take on all of lee's salary. You have to rid yourself of him, you just have to.
olt would be a dream....the latest ive heard is that florida wants him for josh johnson...i cant believe texas would give him up for johnson but if they are even considering it the phils need to jump in the mix asap
Phifer needs to shift his thinking. You have to throw a ball once in a while. He's just too locked in to throwing strike after strike. Mix it up a little.
I'm not saying it would work miracles but he's not done by any stretch of the imagination. Saying he is is just retarded.
no one is saying he's done, only that he would be the best contract to trade
Pretty sure it would be the only one. No one wants Howard's deal and Roy's is almost as bad.
Hes getting toward being done...certainly still good, but considering the years and money left on his deal and the massive holes in the of, 3b and pen, you gotta do it
And if you read this thread it sure seems like certain people are suggesting it.
i suggested you are done...everyone agreed
hes absolutely not done but hes headed there sooner rather than later...which is why he should be moved....and for the record halladay is in the same spot...actually this was noted before the season started by some one around here
but as sunny mentioned halladays contract is more friendly
Quote from: Rome on July 25, 2012, 12:46:26 PM
Pretty sure it would be the only one. No one wants Howard's deal and Roy's is almost as bad.
Roy's deal is WAY friendlier than Lee's or Howard's, and it's not even close.
yeah roy's deal is done next year assuming he doesn't hit the vesting option which i think is in jeopardy with the time on the DL he had this year
Quote from: SunMo on July 25, 2012, 12:49:25 PM
i suggested you are done...everyone agreed
You're right about that.
grits mcgoo is having a great game today
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2012, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Rome on July 25, 2012, 12:46:26 PM
Pretty sure it would be the only one. No one wants Howard's deal and Roy's is almost as bad.
Roy's deal is WAY friendlier than Lee's or Howard's, and it's not even close.
Do you think any team would take Roy's contract right now considering what he's looked like this year? I'm just curious. I'm actually very concerned with him now because he hasn't looked close to alright all year whereas Cliff has been just been ridiculously unlucky most of the time.
Quote from: Rome on July 25, 2012, 03:21:55 PM
whereas Cliff has been just been ridiculously unlucky most of the time.
not really.....he hasnt been horrendous but lets not act like he has a 2.05 era and we should all be like poor cliffy what terrible luck....
the guy has given up more hits than innings pitched
He's around the plate like he usually is, it's not like his skills have diminished.
The curve ball that went out of the park last night was in a good location, low...batter just went down and got it
stark...
QuoteBut even though the Phillies had ripped off seven wins in their last 10 games heading into their Wednesday afternoon date with Milwaukee, they're still a good bet to trade away someone like Shane Victorino. And here's the reason:
$$$$$$$.
Sources within the industry say the Phillies were already over the $178 million luxury-tax threshold for this season before this week. So the Hamels contract, which will be calculated at $24 million per year for luxury-tax purposes (no matter how it's backloaded), means the Phillies now have no choice but to unload money.
If they pick up Carlos Ruiz's $5 million option and hang on to Hunter Pence, Hamels' deal locks them into over $150 million in commitments to just 11 players next year. So they are looking at paying a 17.5 percent tax rate this year and 30 percent next year -- unless they can dip beneath the threshold in one of those years.
"My guess is that they'll look to move some guys this year so they'd only have to pay the lower rate next year," said one industry source familiar with their payroll challenges, "because it may be impossible now for them to get under the threshold next year."
So that means they're still likely to shop Victorino, who has about $3.5 million in salary coming for this year, and Joe Blanton, who has slightly over $3 million left and appears to have stirred a little interest with five quality starts in his last seven starts.
Then there's Pence. Other clubs say the Phillies continue to listen on Pence. But they're unlikely to move him unless they get multiple young, big league-ready players back who can fill potential holes at third base, the outfield and the bullpen who would enable them to contend next year and beyond. And good luck on that.
1 farging good player on the Brewers and Charlie leaves basticho in to pitch to him. Goodbye 5-1 lead
Good job basticho - farging punk
Now that they've locked up Heidi when do they shoot Bast ardo?
Tells you how bad the season is going when Wheels and TMac are talking about sweeping the Astros earlier in the season.
Wigginton's defense is putrid.
fourth straight comeback!?!
Gonna need it.
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
Here we go!
Kratz = secret weapon!!
Lets go Chooch....runners 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.
LETS GO!
Kratz is the new Matt Stairs folk hero type
walk off #3 in a row
THEY'RE BACK!
lets go streaking
Wow...Jimmy!!!
Atta boy Yimmy.
3 comeback wins, all 3 games scored 7-6. Cool.
Holy shtein! Viva Rodriguez!
NEVER SAY DIE!
REFUSE TO LOSE
IT'S GUT-CHECK TIME!
I'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB!
IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS!
its not like they win a lot of games but when they do it just masks how awful charlie is
leaving basticho in, playing pierre in lf, playing wiggerton at 3b...its just mind boggling how that retard knows how to tie his shoes each day
and heyman says the yanks called about wiggerton after gayrods injury. and the phillies said no because polanco is finished. ummmmmm. what.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23328515
Per Buster Olney...
Padres doing their due diligence on Chase Headley offers, and they should wind up with good package. CLE, PIT, PHI among teams in talks.
Apparently Pence is almost gone...hmm
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 25, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
3 comeback wins, all 3 games scored 7-6. Cool.
even better is three walkoff wins in the last four days
they had three the entire season prior to
Does game 2 count as a walk off? Thought they had their go ahead rally in the 8th?
nm...read your post wrong.
jose cruz jr says pence's days in philly are numbered
jose cruz jr
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Did-the-Reds-really-turn-down-Shane-Victorino-because-of-Logan-Ondrushek.html
(http://uspresswire.com/image/thumb/600-600/6401266.jpg)
since the phillies are obviously now big time players in the postseason race i was looking up possibilities with the new playoff format and its just insane what can happen
i think i have this right....you could have a one game playoff for a division...then the loser of that game could play in a one game wild card tiebreaker and then in a one game wild card series....wtf??
in fact the al central is very close to chi and detroit having to have a one game tiebreaker for the division...then the loser of that game would go into a three way two game playoff tiebreaker to determine who plays in the one game wild card
also the lower seeded wild card team will actually host the first two games of the first round series in a 2-3 format
the whole thing is nuts.....a team could play four games in four days in four different cities just in tiebreakers
Well something might happen. Cause they're back. It's 2008, baby. Homer hooooooooooo
Quotemore execs thinking #phillies wont sell big. NL exec: "if they get w/i 5 games by sept, i bet they make the playoffs.''
lets go streaking!!
LET'S DO THIS!
GRAMMAR HAMMER!
(my intent was just to emphasize the first person nature of my sentiment, not to mock grammar)
Thats nice.
Your awesome.
Phillies claim Cliff Lee is not on the trading block and that they want the "big 3" back for 2013.
So, they will trade...
Pence?
Victorino?
Blanton?
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 27, 2012, 01:00:44 PM
Phillies claim Cliff Lee is not on the trading block and that they want the "big 3" back for 2013.
So, they will trade...
Pence?
Victorino?
Blanton?
blanton should be a no brainer, and hopefully he has a great game tomorrow
i read that the orioles were going to go hard after polanco until he got hurt. that sucks for the phillies and is good for the O's
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 27, 2012, 01:00:44 PM
Phillies claim Cliff Lee is not on the trading block and that they want the "big 3" back for 2013.
So, they will trade...
Pence?
Victorino?
Blanton?
All of the above.
I have a feeling we'll know in a few weeks what happened.[/wheels]
A lot hinges on this series. Actually quite important they get swept.
You realize they're going on a 15 out of 20 win streak, right?
Just wait and see... they're going to get us all excited again, and then bam... right in the balls.
Between the birds, flyers and bums I got no balls left.
Quote from: Rome on July 27, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
You realize they're going on a 15 out of 20 win streak, right?
Just wait and see... they're going to get us all excited again, and then bam... right in the balls.
they could perhaps make a run but even if they get the 5 they have to win 1 game to get in, then have to win in that gay 2-3 format to get to the nlcs. and its not like theyd be playing the brewers at that point.
so really their chances of winning a world series this year reside somewhere around 0 to .5 percent. meanwhile if they gutted their old and slow team they could be contenders from 2014-2020 easily.
Who needs a third baseman?
Hot corner's been as bad as the bullpen this year.
Why in the farg do you pitch to McCann with 2 outs, men at 2nd and 3rd with Uggla who can't hit shtein right now on deck?
Quote from: Don Ho on July 27, 2012, 09:04:05 PM
Why in the farg do you pitch to McCann with 2 outs, men at 2nd and 3rd with Uggla who can't hit shtein right now on deck?
I'm not watching, but that doesn't make much sense. Especially since I know he's handled Uggla well throughout his career.
Career BA vs Hamels
McCann - .275
Uggla - .Bacardi
The only highlight worth watching tonight is Triple A at his usual best in left field. Dropped a pop up and got tko'd by the wall. Of course his three stooges act costs them a run.
ALL 6 BRAVES RUNS SCORED WITH 2 OUTS!
its kind of funny but if they lose tomorrow they are selling
amaro basically said they need 2/3 or sweep or its over. well, whats left of this horrible season is on you, fatso. make it happen and get me something for victorino.
i have been against it the entire time but whats the over under on months until non south jerz fans realize how horrendous heidis deal was....will his back have to go out or will he have to average 12 wins a year over the next three seasons
has anyone ever done less and got paid more than him
Part of me wanted to keep him, part wanted olt and more from Texas
Bad contract or not he's a top tier pitcher in his prime. Those guys don't grow on trees.
hes not a top pitcher by any means....he had one amazing run in october of 2008....other than that hes been nice...but not anywhere remotely close to 6-144 nice
what ace would have gone out and walked six guys in any game much less the first game after you get caked off against your division rivals that you are chasing in the biggest game of the year thus far
Both of you bring up good points. Like Todd I was part of the "yes it's a lot but good pitching doesn't grow on trees, he's young, Doc and Lee are falling apart before our eyes and they ain't got shtein in the system" contingent. Wasn't Like he got roped out there, what 6 hits but damn those career high walks were killer. Still fuming over the fact he pitched to McCann with Uggla due up. Plus this collection of boneheads left men in scoring position numerous times, again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 03:11:54 AM
hes not a top pitcher by any means....he had one amazing run in october of 2008....other than that hes been nice...but not anywhere remotely close to 6-144 nice
what ace would have gone out and walked six guys in any game much less the first game after you get caked off against your division rivals that you are chasing in the biggest game of the year thus far
Agree with Don in that you both make good points. The contract is awful but that's roughly his worth on the open market. I'm glad they kept him because you need starting pitching and he can be very good at times. The goal should be to get younger, meaning if there's a market for Lee/Halladay/Blanton etc. they should be doing what they can to move them for prospects and using their money on a younger staff.
The crossroads is no more, now that Hamels is back in the mix they're going to restock for next season and give it another run. They'll sell last year as an aberration to the fans who will eat it up. They'll fix the bullpen and we'll see a bunch of offseason articles from the players saying they're back. For all the RAJ lovers this will test how good of a GM he really is.
i do agree with that....once you sign heidi you have to go all in every year and try to win a world series...i just dont believe thats gonna happen because of the perfect storm of pretty much their entire roster getting old at the same time and having no farm system
Here's my hope: They can sucker the fan base into believing they're contenders for the next 3 or 4 seasons. Even if they play .500 ball the fans will come out. You do that and let the A ball talent develop while adding some pieces at the same time. This is what I would do. I doubt they go that route but at some point you have to stop paying every decent player $20+ million and be smart with your money. Even if they don't have sell outs a 75% full park will still turn enough of a profit for them to add to the payroll until they can get their own network and really go wild.
The above is an easy sell for next season, especially if they add a few pieces to the bullpen. They'll say "we had injuries" then add a few pieces to the pen and the fans will drink the kool-aid. To me it's all about keeping fan support as high as possible while developing the farm system. You do that and you can sustain decent baseball for the next 10 seasons or so.
I don't think .500 ball would cut it for 3-4 years. They could possibly get away with it for 2 more years at best and still maintain high attendence.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 03:11:54 AM
hes not a top pitcher by any means....he had one amazing run in october of 2008....other than that hes been nice...but not anywhere remotely close to 6-144 nice
what ace would have gone out and walked six guys in any game much less the first game after you get caked off against your division rivals that you are chasing in the biggest game of the year thus far
Steve Carlton. Can't say it was after he was "caked off," but he did it July 2, 1980 vs. Montreal. He also did it June 29, 1972 against the Mets, July 26, 1977 in Los Angeles, and September 24, 1977 against Montreal (actually 7 in that game). He also had a handful of games in those years where he walked five.
In case you're wondering, I specifically chose those years beacuse they were Carlton's Cy Young years.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 28, 2012, 10:07:06 AM
I don't think .500 ball would cut it for 3-4 years. They could possibly get away with it for 2 more years at best and still maintain high attendence.
.500 ball all year long means they're somewhat in it. That's all they need to maintain support. The people who live in reality will know they're in the shteinter but the sheep who go to games won't know the difference. Phils fans are teetering on Flyers fandom at this point.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2012, 10:18:08 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 03:11:54 AM
hes not a top pitcher by any means....he had one amazing run in october of 2008....other than that hes been nice...but not anywhere remotely close to 6-144 nice
what ace would have gone out and walked six guys in any game much less the first game after you get caked off against your division rivals that you are chasing in the biggest game of the year thus far
Steve Carlton. Can't say it was after he was "caked off," but he did it July 2, 1980 vs. Montreal. He also did it June 29, 1972 against the Mets, July 26, 1977 in Los Angeles, and September 24, 1977 against Montreal (actually 7 in that game). He also had a handful of games in those years where he walked five.
In case you're wondering, I specifically chose those years beacuse they were Carlton's Cy Young years.
were all those games more or less to save the phillies season?
did he also receive a monster deal the day before and have anything to possibly prove
also dont ever mention arguably the best left handed pitcher of all time and heidi in the same sentance again...thanks
Quote from: SD on July 28, 2012, 10:46:41 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 28, 2012, 10:07:06 AM
I don't think .500 ball would cut it for 3-4 years. They could possibly get away with it for 2 more years at best and still maintain high attendence.
.500 ball all year long means they're somewhat in it. That's all they need to maintain support. The people who live in reality will know they're in the shteinter but the sheep who go to games won't know the difference. Phils fans are teetering on Flyers fandom at this point.
yeah with an extra wild card spot now available .500 pretty much will always have you in the mix...at least until september...its gonna make for some really interesting trade deadlines
And these kind of "cake off" contracts happen so often in the middle of the season.
Hamels isn't Carlton, and nobody said he was. I simply posted that Lefty, a certifiable ace, did have games in which he walked six or more batters. Even in the best seasons of his illustrious career.
But keep whining. It's what you're best at.
wait your whole point is that a pitcher who played in the major leagues for almost 20 years had a bad game?
theres got to be something more to this
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 12:35:18 PM
wait your whole point is that a pitcher who played in the major leagues for almost 20 years had a bad game?
theres got to be something more to this
And you're going apoplectic about Hamels having a bad game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 03:11:54 AM
hes not a top pitcher by any means....he had one amazing run in october of 2008....other than that hes been nice...but not anywhere remotely close to 6-144 nice
what ace would have gone out and walked six guys in any game much less the first game after you get caked off against your division rivals that you are chasing in the biggest game of the year thus far
He's being a stupid negative Nancy
Hamels, aside from 09, has been pretty good in big games. I cab say that without looking it up. Has he pitched poorly in a huge game or two? sure. but im pretty sure he ain't the only one.
If they don't sign hamels im not sure where they find another ace. That coud set them back years. Right now they could easily win a title if they sell off their old parts and aim for 14, 15 to make it happen.
Halladone, lee, jimmy, utley, vic, blanton, pence. Imagine all the young talent that brings and all the money that frees up.
hes very good but not great pitcher....hes certainly not an ace....hopefully he will become one before the end of the contract but i doubt it...i think he is what he is...i dont see some extremely high ceiling hes yet to hit
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
hes very good but not great pitcher....hes certainly not an ace....hopefully he will become one before the end of the contract but i doubt it...i think he is what he is...i dont see some extremely high ceiling hes yet to hit
I don't have access to look this up right now, but I thought I read in one of his contract articles that his ERA+ the last 3 years (2010/2011/2012) was 10th best in baseball.
I don't think he's a top 3-5 pitcher but that's pretty ace-ish. And he's been pretty durable.
i mean hes an ace in the sense that he would be the best pitcher on a lot of teams....but imo hes not an "ace"....hes only won 15 games once in his career and never more than 15
MDSbatsignal
King felix hasn't won too many games either...def not an ace
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 02:37:24 PM
i mean hes an ace in the sense that he would be the best pitcher on a lot of teams....but imo hes not an "ace"....hes only won 15 games once in his career and never more than 15
without even getting into another debate about how useless wins are for pitchers, take a look at the stat totals for the past few years. three name stick out: halladay, sabathia, verlander. otherwise its hit and miss, some are up there one year, down the next. the point? those three are (or were in the case of doc) in an elite class. you can throw in kershaw and king into that, too.
everyone else, and this is where hamels resides, in that next level, is still pretty farging good.
so, no. hamels isnt one of the 5 best pitchers in baseball. buts hes in the top 10. and top 10 pitchers dont just become available on the open market when they are 28 years old.
agan hes a very good pitcher...not close to a great one
id take shawn marcum at 3-36 over heidi for 6-145
im not arguing they didnt overpay for him. thing is they had to.
first off they arent the royals and they can afford it. second is no "very good" starter will be available anytime soon. hes better than grienke, dont even go there. king, big james, price, verlander...all MIGHT be out there in 2015/16, and even then arent 28 year olds.
if they wanted this caliber of pitcher they had to get hamels and they had to sign him now. hell be more expensive in the winter and no one this good and this young is hitting the market anytime soon.
just deal with it. you want to complain? complain about lee's deal or howard's. or the oswalt trade. or the pence one. they didnt have to do any of those things. but they had to sign hamels. that is, unless you want a rotation full of shawn marcums.
Quote from: MDS on July 28, 2012, 09:54:56 PM
thing is they had to.
no they really didnt have to...thats kind of the whole point...all you stepfords "had" to sign him for a million different reasons none of which had to do with baseball
so if they let hamels walk, and trade lee and doc like they should, the rotation is going to be horrendously awful.
worley...cloyd...and....and...what. you being the king of haters thinks they cant compete until 2020 or something, maybe it dont matter. but logical people see a path to 2015 goodness. and if you want that you need cole.
its going to be awful no matter what...its the difference bwtn having heidi at 150 million or some middle road guy who also has 12 wins but is paid 25 million
Missed the game. Went to the beach instead. What'd I miss?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
its going to be awful no matter what...its the difference bwtn having heidi at 150 million or some middle road guy who also has 12 wins but is paid 25 million
this doesnt make any sense
so they shouldnt try to win, or they cant win until 2020 so whats the point?
you really suck as a person, you know
Quote from: MDS on July 28, 2012, 10:29:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
its going to be awful no matter what...its the difference bwtn having heidi at 150 million or some middle road guy who also has 12 wins but is paid 25 million
so they shouldnt try to win, or they cant win until 2020 so whats the point?
they have to now try and win every year...but its gonna get incredibly ugly...to answer your question they cant win until minimum 2017...and by then heidi will have a shattered 34 year old back making a billion dollars a year....but at least you and the rest of the females in south jerz will have the awesome memory of the day in 2012 that the eagles signed cole hamels
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
Missed the game. Went to the beach instead. What'd I miss?
shteintiness to the fullest extent.
I half listened to it and it seemed each time I came back into the room I head Franzke lamenting the inept offense.
Good effort, bums!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 28, 2012, 10:48:49 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
Missed the game. Went to the beach instead. What'd I miss?
shteintiness to the fullest extent.
I half listened to it and it seemed each time I came back into the room I head Franzke lamenting the inept offense.
Good effort, bums!
dont fret jay they singed heidi....the next five years will be full of championships
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 28, 2012, 10:29:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
its going to be awful no matter what...its the difference bwtn having heidi at 150 million or some middle road guy who also has 12 wins but is paid 25 million
so they shouldnt try to win, or they cant win until 2020 so whats the point?
they have to now try and win every year...but its gonna get incredibly ugly...to answer your question they cant win until minimum 2017...and by then heidi will have a shattered 34 year old back making a billion dollars a year....but at least you and the rest of the females in south jerz will have the awesome memory of the day in 2012 that the eagles signed cole hamels
lol, no.
well not if they keep going like this. but lets see what happens...rube is going to trade victorino and blanton now. maybe lee in august or in the winter. utley and halladay come off the books after next year and maybe he trades them, too. they can get back some good young players and will have tons of money to spend for 2014, to go with an in his prime hamels.
of course if they keep everyone, make a dumb signing this winter, yea, they could eventually become the cubs.
but there is no way a team that generates the kind of revenue they do will have a 6 year period of terribleness. you are thinking so shallow and negative on this you cant see reality.
ill meet you in 2017 and see where this team stands
deal?
i think amaro is a doofus and dont think they can win any time soon
he kept doubling down on gillick and wade's work. it didnt happen. oh well.
what im saying is the plan to being good in 2015 is there, but it needed to start last winter. it can still happen, amaro just needs to wake up and the fans need to accept that 2013 is going to be an abortion.
but again, trade lee, doc, utley, vic, blanton...all of a sudden you have a few good young players and ton of money to spend.
you cant sign heidi AND trade lee....it makes no sense
and people keep saying trade fatty...i disagree...hes has a super fair contract and is pitching well...why would you deal him unless you are blowing the entire thing up which they clearly arent doing since they signed the golden child
you absolutely can. one is in his prime, the other is bordering on being mediocre.
the hamels signing was for 2014 and 2015. lee will be a massive waste by then. anyone who cant help them in 2014/15 needs to go NOW. that should be the plan.
and fatty's deal is up at the end of the year. they need to get something for him.
signing heidi means you are going for the ws every year for the next five at least....unless my math is off the next five includes the next two...and the next two should include fatty.....he has as friendly a contract as youd want and is/has been a solid 3-4 guy for a long time....i dont get trading him...who are you going to replace him with that is as good and doesnt cost a lot....i dont see it
my plan for the rotation next year was hamels, grienke, worley, cloyd, ?kendrick?
but then i remembered you need to score runs. what makes more sense is to take 13 off, then go out and sign the best pitcher and bat on the market in 14. use 13 to develop cloyd, bullpen arms like schwimmer, de frautus, stutes, tony b, horst and bats like hernandez, galvis and brown.
if they do that they should have more than enough to get 2 bats and an arm and a big bullpen piece for 2014. then signing hamels makes a ton of sense.
its a 1 year step back to let your 3-4 major league ready players work shtein out
Quote from: MDS on July 29, 2012, 12:15:04 AM
my plan for the rotation next year was hamels, grienke, worley, cloyd, ?kendrick?
lol....wtf?
since 5th starter is such a question mark i gave it 2 of them. it could be kendrick, mama havas, ladyfriend rjs, brownsville joe, brad penny, whatever.
farg the 5th starter....heidi grienke worley is as lol worthy as it gets
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
Missed the game. Went to the beach instead.
You're learning buddy! Surf,ocean, any water activity > 2012 clusterfarg
so the weekend where the team was supposed to announce to the rest of the league that the phillies are back isnt going according to plan
They should shop Doc before the rest of the league realizes he's cooked. I know they're thinking the offseason will help but his velocity isn't going to improve.
So, Dom Brown played CF in Game One and is in RF in Game Two of the 'Pigs DH after playing LF most of the year. Coincidence...no!
Can we sell Ruben Amaro Junior to a farging glue factory?
There's at least one news station in SF reporting this...
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Sources say Tommy Joseph (??) is invovled in deal....but apparently the giants GM is denying reports
Wow! Spaz to the bay. If it's true that's one down. Next!
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120708&content_id=34706532&vkey=news_sf&c_id=sf (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120708&content_id=34706532&vkey=news_sf&c_id=sf)
he hasnt been dealt and who knows if he will...either way hes about the 7th or 8th person on the roster that needs to go....hes actually a pretty money friendly guy to have around next year
Buster olney saying clifford is available for trade now
Rumor time!
Might deal Blanton to O's.
Might deal Lee to Rangers.
I don't have time today to browse rumors but a co-worker of mine said the Rangers deal would be for Olt and their prospect SS but that the Phillies would have to eat some of the Lee salary.
Quote from: SD on July 30, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
I don't have time today to browse rumors but a co-worker of mine said the Rangers deal would be for Olt and their prospect SS but that the Phillies would have to eat some of the Lee salary.
there's no way I could see them giving up Olt AND Profar. I think they'd sooner part with Andrus than him
Quote from: SD on July 30, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
I don't have time today to browse rumors but a co-worker of mine said the Rangers deal would be for Olt and their prospect SS but that the Phillies would have to eat some of the Lee salary.
That would give me a massive boner
Quote from: SD on July 30, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
I don't have time today to browse rumors but a co-worker of mine said the Rangers deal would be for Olt and their prospect SS but that the Phillies would have to eat some of the Lee salary.
do it.
QuoteIt's time. Time for the Phillies to say sayonara to their five-year headlock on the National League East and start thinking about stuff that matters -- like A) the luxury tax and B) the future.
So teams the Phillies have been talking to would be shocked if they don't make two to three deals by the time the deadline buzzer sounds. And maybe more.
Teams that have spoken with the Reds say they appear to be zeroing in on Juan Pierre. Might be the first deal the Phillies make.
The Dodgers look like the front-runner on Shane Victorino, for a young, controllable bullpen arm (Josh Lindblom?). But the Phillies have big concerns about who would play center field if they deal Victorino. So it wouldn't be a shock to see them push for someone like Tony Gwynn Jr., just to cover themselves.
And the Orioles, Cardinals and Blue Jays have all kicked tires on Joe Blanton. Baltimore looks like the best fit, but the $3 million Blanton has coming this year is an issue. Wouldn't be surprising to see the Phillies wait until the last minute to see if a bidder comes out of the ozone on Blanton. And he's also a candidate to get traded in August.
Hunter Pence's name remains in play. But clubs that have checked in on him believe the Phillies will wait until the offseason, to make sure they can line up other outfielders to replace him and Victorino. There's no reason to think, said one exec, that "Hunter Pence won't have a market in the wintertime, too."
And as our colleague, Buster Olney, has reported, the Phillies have never shouted from the mountaintop anything to the effect of: "We're never, ever trading Cliff Lee." So while that's still more unlikely than likely, stay tuned on that front.
But the big thing to remember is that the Phillies' payroll is so overloaded next year, they need to submerge beneath the luxury-tax threshold this year. And that will be a major priority, both in July and August: "They're not that far over," said one baseball official familiar with their situation. "If they get two or three guys traded, they'll get themselves under, no problem."
QuoteThe expectation in the industry is that the Philadelphia Phillies will be massive sellers before Tuesday's non-waiver deadline at 4 p.m. ET. But that is not entirely accurate.
Yes, the Phillies likely will move their potential free agents – center fielder Shane Victorino, left fielder Juan Pierre and right-hander Joe Blanton – and entertain offers for right fielder Hunter Pence and, according to reports on Monday, left-hander Cliff Lee.
But club officials also are exploring deals that will add to the Phillies' core – hence, the team's interest in San Diego Padres third baseman Chase Headley and Cleveland Indians right fielder Shin-Soo Choo, according to major-league sources.
The Phillies' farm system is thinner than it once was due to their numerous trades for veterans in recent years. But the team could use the prospects it collects in some of its deals and spin them for a player such as Headley or Choo.
Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. is almost always aggressive at the non-waiver deadline, and this year figures to be no different. But this time, he could be going in two directions at once.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8213748
Lee not getting traded. Blanton to O's looking even more likely. Vic probably 10 times more likely to go than is Pencey.
in the case of lee and pence there just isnt enough time for an offer and salary relief to be figured out...i could see lee going in august tho.....pence i think was always going to be an offseason move...
Rube wants the orioles top infield product for fatty
After the Mississippi farm boys performance tonight, the Rangers might be all over Philbert. Oswalt was horrible against the Halos.
D-Backs are looking to make a "splash" by acquiring a top starter.
Victorino's likely destinations down to LA and Cincy.
"Reports" are Lee for Upton.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 31, 2012, 06:24:53 AM
"Reports" are Lee for Upton.
Arizona is denying Upton is available and they're also on Lee's no trade list meaning he'd have to agree to be traded there. I think Lee and Pence are staying put and ultimately we'll see Blanton/Vic and probably Pierre gone for middle relief and prospects and to get under the luxury tax. I'll be shocked if anything of significance happens today.
stark: victorino to LA for josh lindblom and a second player just about done
Dodgers and Phillies close to a deal sending Shane Victorino to LA for Josh Lindblom and 2nd player.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2012, 09:57:48 AM
stark: victorino to LA for josh lindblom and a second player just about done
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 31, 2012, 09:58:14 AM
Dodgers and Phillies close to a deal sending Shane Victorino to LA for Josh Lindblom and 2nd player.
WIP >>> twitter
2nd player will be either Kemp or Kershaw. phillies still deciding
Quote from: SunMo on July 31, 2012, 10:02:38 AM
2nd player will be either Kemp or Kershaw. phillies still deciding
Who do you want them to pick? I think Kemp would be a truer Phillie.
Quote from: SunMo on July 31, 2012, 10:02:38 AM
2nd player will be either Kemp or Kershaw. phillies still deciding
lol
The Doyers are about the only team I didn't want to see Vic go to. Sure, it'll be funny for about 2 seconds watching the fans who hate him suddenly talk about how great he is, but the Phils just armed the team that very well may be the dominant team in the NL for the next 5+ years.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 31, 2012, 10:20:56 AM
but the Phils just armed the team that very well may be the dominant team in the NL for the next 5+ years.
lol what?
shane victorino elevates them from just another good team to the dominant team in the NL for the next five years
Not on his own. But do you think the Dodgers feel satisfied and will stop making moves? They're loading up and they'll keep loading during the offseason and the Phils just made a small contribution to it.
Basically, if the Phils are able to get back in the mix in 2014, the a dodgers will likely be their biggest competitor in the NL.
whew. good to know the nationals won't be in the mix again after this year.
It's more likely that the Dodgers won't re-sign Victorino anyway.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 31, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
Not on his own. But do you think the Dodgers feel satisfied and will stop making moves? They're loading up and they'll keep loading during the offseason and the Phils just made a small contribution to it.
Basically, if the Phils are able to get back in the mix in 2014, the a dodgers will likely be their biggest competitor in the NL.
i dont necessarily disagree with any of this...in fact last year when you and others were saying the dodgers wouldnt sign matt kemp much less be big players in the national league anytime soon i was saying the franchise would sell and go crazy with money under new ownership
but the dodgers will not be the team to beat because they acquired shane victorino as it sounded like you were suggesting
Nah, he's not the piece that puts them over the top but he is another round in the clip, so to speak.
HOF scratched from todays lehigh valley lineup
Cliff Lee and Dominic Brown for Olt and Profar....pipe dream
Vic's probably gone and Dom Brown is getting the call
http://twitpic.com/5bz3de/full
Done: Shane Victorino has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Lindblom and Ethan Martin
i will be tailgating around 5 if anyone here is going tonight. might be your last chance to see some of these losers.
And now the Pence/Giants tlaks are heating back up.
Who the hell is playing OF tonight? Charlie Manuel?
Quote from: Munson on July 31, 2012, 12:18:07 PM
And now the Pence/Giants tlaks are heating back up.
Who the hell is playing OF tonight? Charlie Manuel?
Unless they're getting Gary Brown back I'd rather they hold onto Pence until the offseason. Wade fleeced them for Pence and they aren't going to get what they gave up for him.
Martin is a high ceiling guy, Rube did better for an expiring Victorino than I though he would. Not to mention the salary they cleared.
JonHeymanCBS: #SFGiants agree to acquire hunter pence
Brown was called up at 11am
Crazy day
JimBowdenESPNxm: Hunter Pence deal with the Giants does not include Gary Brown, Brandon Belt or Kyle Crick according to Philies source
Gross
Quote from: Munson on July 31, 2012, 12:32:09 PM
JimBowdenESPNxm: Hunter Pence deal with the Giants does not include Gary Brown, Brandon Belt or Kyle Crick according to Philies source
Gross
If this is true and it's just a salary dump it's god damn awful.
Will miss Shane even if he was a dumb farg who had to go.
Don't care about pence at all but I hope they get something of significance back. His contract isn't that bad and he's still a good player.
Tommy Joseph.
Read another report that said Tommy Joseph (C) was in deal...and now this...
CSNBaggs: From Giants VP Bobby Evans on reports Pence deal is done: "Not accurate. No deal. Working through many options."
if nothing else the teams IQ went way up today
welp the Phils giveaway on August 21 is f'ed
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This catcher better be good
Maybe they can trade chooch now
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
This catcher better be good
Maybe they can trade chooch now
Supposedly Schierholtz is a possibility too.
I like Joseph's potential but Jesus Christ they gave up way more than they're getting back. Way to buy high and sell low smug.
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
This catcher better be good
Maybe they can trade chooch now
i have literally never heard of tommy joseph until about 17 minutes ago but theres this...
QuoteRival GM tells Jon Heyman that Tommy Joseph has "25 HR Power."
Heyman also says 1 or 2 additional players should be coming the phils way
Joseph is a good prospect and Ruiz is 33 so I guess at some point you have to have a plan at Catcher. I wouldn't rank him ahead of Singleton or Cosart though.
Amaro should be canned immediately for this catastrophe of a season.
Only if you take back all the cum you sucked from him after the oswalt, pence and lee deals
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 31, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
Will miss Shane even if he was a dumb farg who had to go.
Aloha means goodbye.
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2012, 01:37:54 PM
Only if you take back all the cum you sucked from him after the oswalt, pence and lee deals
and apologize for constantly saying that money in general and specifically the luxury tax dont mean anything anymore to the philadelphia yankees
They don't...in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they were so desperate to get under it this year because they plan on going over it sometime in the next two years
4 of the Astros top 6 prospects are former Phillies minor leaguers. Anyone laughing at Wade now? Meanwhile Ruben traded Lee with a year left on his deal for a tall canuck/some deaf cokehead who's done for the year/career minor leaguer.
Maybe they should put Wade back in charge.
for some reason smug has been coddled and groomed by this organization for the last 40 years....from bat boy to gm its become the worst case of nepotism ever recorded
Great looks like they're getting Schierholtz too. He's barely a major leaguer.
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Quote from: SD on July 31, 2012, 01:53:12 PM
Great looks like they're getting Schierholtz too. He's barely a major leaguer.
their outfield is going to be
juan pierre (if he isnt dealt)/mayberry
HOF
sherholtz
wow
Quote
The Phillies are coming off the $3MM demands, tweets Connolly, and Blanton to the Orioles is picking up steam again
I'm assuming the Pence deal gives them flexibility under the luxury tax meaning they can eat Blanton's salary and get a prospect like Schoop back. We'll see, I have no confidence in RAJ other than signing players over their market value and buying high and selling low.
Supposedly the full trade will be Pence for Joseph, Sherholtz, and Seth Rosin who is a 6'6 250 23 year old middle relief pitcher in A ball.
Holy crap this is worse than the Lee to Seattle trade.
it's a salary dump, what about this aren't you guys getting?
Sherholtz isn't horrible, he's a controllable corner outfielder. Joseph will make or break the deal. they wanted to get under the luxury tax this year and they did it.
season is shot anyway, who farging cares?
btw...
Sherholtz .755 OPS (1.5M)
Pence .785 OPS (15M)
Quote from: SunMo on July 31, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
it's a salary dump, what about this aren't you guys getting?
Oh I get it's a salary dump, but when you give up Singleton/Cosart and Santana who would be the Phillies 3 top prospects and only get a AA catcher, a scrub RFer, and a career minor leaguer than the GM needs to be held accountable. It's the same thing with the Lee trade, they gave up more to get him then they did to ship him elsewhere. RAJ made a huge mistake on what Pence is worth.
Wade is a better GM than RAJ is.
Quote from: Munson on July 31, 2012, 12:18:07 PM
Who the hell is playing OF tonight? Charlie Manuel?
Wheels
i couple of the national writers commented in the past month how perception of Pence's value really dropped from last year's trade deadline. no doubt the trade RAJ made was pathetic, but he did have more value around the league.
RAJ is not a good GM and he's going to try and build a team around 5 players making $110M next year. Good luck bro.
Well I for one am glad Claire bentz wont be saddled with that pesky luxury tax this year
Lord knows she deserves a break
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2012, 02:13:44 PM
Well I for one am glad Claire bentz wont be saddled with that pesky luxury tax this year
Lord knows she deserves a break
dont worry....middleton will save them
some thoughts that they flip some of the prospects they got today to SD for Headley, but I haven't read anything more on that.
Joseph seems to be a legit prospect from his #s in A+ and that he's holding his own at 21 in AA.
That being said, Schierholtz is a 4th OF and Rosin is meeeeh. Disappointed in the return, though if Joseph becomes legit I guess it is OK.
If they were 25 games over .500 right now they wouldn't give two shteins about the farging luxury tax. They bottomed out, they have no chance at the playoffs and they're older than shtein up and down the lineup. This was happening at the end of the year anyway, so pointing at the money as the reason they're getting rid of these guys is stupid.
Quote from: Rome on July 31, 2012, 02:19:45 PM
If they were 25 games over .500 right now they wouldn't give two shteins about the farging luxury tax. They bottomed out, they have no chance at the playoffs and they're older than shtein up and down the lineup. This was happening at the end of the year anyway, so pointing at the money as the reason they're getting rid of these guys is stupid.
This is partially true but every time you exceed the luxury tax you have to pay a higher %. It goes from 17.5% of your payroll to 30% to 40% etc. If they were able to depend on postseason revenue maybe it's not an issue. At some point they had to cut payroll and retool.
Jonny Paps @PapelbonPhils
QuoteRuben just handed out nametags, he wants us to wear them until we all get to know each other. #AlohaShane #AdoisHunter #SeeYouAtTheBuffetJoe
QuoteRuben just told Blanton he was getting traded to the Orioles. Joe was all like, "Dude, sweet!! I love Oreos."
Really wish the account was real.
My point was if they had the choice between going for another championship (a legit one) and exceeding the luxury tax they would have bought rather than sold today. Money is the overriding factor this year because it's pointless to hold onto these guys and waste a year over the threshold.
So Reading is playing Richmond tonight. Richmond is the AA team that Tommy Joseph plays for. Meaning he doesn't have far to travel to play for his new team.
Quote from: SD on July 31, 2012, 03:18:59 PM
So Reading is playing Richmond tonight. Richmond is the AA team that Tommy Joseph plays for. Meaning he doesn't have far to travel to play for his new team.
Just like Ichiro.
And the Phillies had to throw cash at the Giants to take Pence. This deal just gets better and better.
well its good thing they didnt trade blanton
gonna needs those last 13 starts. finish out the year strong big joe!
Are really that upset over losing a 20/90/.270 guy who stood to make 15 million next year? I like pence but come on.
people's biggest issue is that they bought high and sold low, which is understandable.
at this point, i'm happy RAJ didn't sign him to a 5 year 60 million deal simply to justify the trade he made with the Astros
Quote from: SunMo on July 31, 2012, 04:50:45 PM
people's biggest issue is that they bought high and sold low, which is understandable.
Exactly. Joseph isn't as good of a prospect as either Singleton or Cosart is and Santana was a throw in and now he he's a damn good prospect.
just reading the reactions though, a lot of baseball people liked that they got Joseph.
Singleton will be the one that haunts them. cosart to don't think will do much
Yeah if there's one thing the Phillies have in the farm system it's young arms, I don't think losing Cosart is gonna be a huge blow.
If Joseph can blast 25 HR's and bat .250 at the major league level...that's not bad. He can split time with Valle/spelling Howard if he's legit, then move to first when Howard's gone.
If he's not legit it won't matter anyway as the team will be vastly different in 3 years
Quote from: SunMo on July 31, 2012, 05:06:30 PM
just reading the reactions though, a lot of baseball people liked that they got Joseph.
Singleton will be the one that haunts them. cosart to don't think will do much
Reminds of Swingers when Mikey doubles down on his ace and loses $200. He makes like $40 of it back on craps and Trent says "see you made out alright".
There's no point in rehashing that or getting upset that they gave up a bundle to get him. They rolled the dice with Pence and overpaid because they had to.
im too lazy to go back but im pretty sure everyone was doing back flips when they got pence. and oswalt. and lee. and doc.
now what. if amaro doesnt pull those moves you a frothing at the mouth about how cheap they are bla bla bla. but he does, then arkansas loser blows a 4-0 lead, the homegrown lineup cant score a run in game 5...and thats it.
not trying to defend amaro, just want to remind the fan base that they look like spoiled 4 year old girls
Quote from: Rome on July 31, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
There's no point in rehashing that or getting upset that they gave up a bundle to get him. They rolled the dice with Pence and overpaid because they had to.
Amaro was given a team coming off a World Series, almost unlimited payroll, and a deep farm system. He's turned that into a last place team that almost went over the luxury tax and a depleted farm system. At what point is it okay to get upset?
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2012, 05:24:46 PM
im too lazy to go back but im pretty sure everyone was doing back flips when they got pence. and oswalt. and lee. and doc.
now what. if amaro doesnt pull those moves you a frothing at the mouth about how cheap they are bla bla bla. but he does, then arkansas loser blows a 4-0 lead, the homegrown lineup cant score a run in game 5...and thats it.
not trying to defend amaro, just want to remind the fan base that they look like spoiled 4 year old girls
I'd be more upset if fans just drank the Phillies kool-aid like Flyers fans do.
I already said Amaro should be fired. Not sure what else there is to say.
Chances that Blanton is a Phillie by Sept. 1 - <25%
Rube says Valle will be going to AAA
Lehigh Valle?
HarperLOL
This game has provided entertainment value.
Value or Valleue?
Maybe Pence & Victorino were really holding them back!
#philsmassivecomebackstartstonight
anyone know where to get a legit frandsen jersey?
Quote from: SD on July 31, 2012, 05:30:02 PM
At what point is it okay to get upset?
Early June when the Dodgers swept their ass.
lineup prediction for next year
bourn
jimmy
chasers
big piece
chooch
jhonny peralta
hof brown
nix/mayberry
halldone-lee-hamels-worley-kendrick
papelbon-lindbloom-?-tony b-schwimmer-diekman-horst
86 wins
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/galleries/philadelphians/
Quote10 Best Philadelphians
Jimmy Rollins
Why do we love Jimmy Rollins? Because we always love a winner, and the man is a flat-out champ, no matter what the standings say. We love him, too, because of the way he plays—tough, hard, but like it's fun. And of course we love him because he married a Philly girl, and because he chose to stay when he could have left.
But mostly we love Jimmy Rollins because he's been unafraid to call us, the big bad nasty fans of Philadelphia, on our crap. "You get to a point where you've lived here long enough and understand the city well enough that you feel brave enough to say how you feel," he says. Like the time he dubbed us all a bunch of front runners. Or the time after a playoff loss when he said that fans at the ballpark were "waay too quiet."
Do we like this? Of course not. But from Jimmy, we'll take it. Maybe that's what we should be most thankful to him for—for reminding us that real love isn't easy, for caring enough to boo us back, for giving Philadelphians something we've never really had: a grown-up relationship with a professional athlete.
He forgot the "XOXO" at the end.
Ruben Amaro Jr and his assistants farging suck.
fontenot gone mike mike back
Let's bring back Abreu. Let's do it.
Here's a good question- is victorino a wall of famer?
Out of the guys to leave the only definite yes to me are lidge and burrell
So Lidge is a definite yes because of 1 amazing year but you have doubts about Vic despite 6 really good full seasons (not including his handfull of appearances in 05 or the half of 12) that included 3 GG and 2 AS appearances?
I'm on the fence about either going on the Wall, but I'd def put Vic ahead of Lidge on the pecking order. Lidge's 08 was amazing and who knows if the Phils win it without him. But it was still only 1 year and he was absolutely awful after that. At least Vic was a steady contributor to 1 WS, another appearance, 5 straight division titles and the most reg season wins in franchise history.
when you do what he did in that 1 season, thats all you need
in this town of losers a title counts just a little bit more than gold gloves and all star games
Except that Vic was a starter for that WS as well, so he was a contributor just as much as Lidge was (although Vic didn't have a great series at the plate). Lidge just had the good fortune of throwing the clinching pitch.
So basically, we should just put the entire 08 Phils on the Wall since they delivered the first WS in 28 years.
Vic had a good WS game 5 part 1, drove in the first two runs before Bud let them play in the great typhoon of 2008 plus he got Bruntlett to third leading up to the winning run in Part 2.
His grand slam against Sabathia and the home run against the Dodgers to tie up game 4 will always be two of my most memorable Phillies moments.
Vic is a definite wall of famer.
0-4 in his debut with LA. I blame hbionic.
HOF joseph 3-4 in reading tonight
nate scherholes: my favorite phillie ever
i smell a run
nate schindlerslist rules
Pence 0-4 with 2 K's... RAJ loving it.
bye cliffy
That's not how waivers work. He's likely not going anywhere.
he'll be gone.
To who? Rangers got Dempster and called up Olt today.
no chance he gets traded.
it would be interesting to see if he gets claimed and if Rube has the balls to just let him go and get rid of the contract.
They get some sort of compensation too don't they? draft picks?
Dodgers are pretty much the only option.
Quote from: Munson on August 02, 2012, 03:55:41 PM
They get some sort of compensation too don't they? draft picks?
not for a waiver claim, no.
they probably put choke on waivers, too
no one is touching that hideous contract. dont get your hopes up.
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2012, 04:42:17 PM
they probably put choke on waivers, too
no one is touching that hideous contract. dont get your hopes up.
Mystery team!
the only team dumb enough to give an arkansas hick with back problems $90 million dollars when hes in his mid 30's already has him
they are going to suck for the next 3 years and youre all just going to have to accept it
Why put him on waivers? Nobody is going to claim him and now he's going to be disgruntled. What an idiotic move.
Quote from: SD on August 02, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
Why put him on waivers? Nobody is going to claim him and now he's going to be disgruntled. What an idiotic move.
He will not be disgruntled. Basically a lock Howard is put on waivers too. Maybe Halladay, Rollins, and Papelbon too. It is very common a means essentially nothing.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 02, 2012, 06:06:18 PM
Quote from: SD on August 02, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
Why put him on waivers? Nobody is going to claim him and now he's going to be disgruntled. What an idiotic move.
He will not be disgruntled. Basically a lock Howard is put on waivers too. Maybe Halladay, Rollins, and Papelbon too. It is very common a means essentially nothing.
None of them are being put on waivers except Lee and it is common but not a day after Ruben declared "we have no interest in moving Cliff Lee".
oh my god who cares if they piss him off
he should die for coughing up a 4-0 lead in game 2. and its not like he or they are going anywhere.
just like everyone else hes going to have to go out and do his job without being head over heels in love with his bosses. huge deal.
Let me rephrase it this way: How does putting Cliff Lee on waivers improve the team?
someone might bite and take his awful contract off their hands, or they can work out a trade and maybe get someone back for him
since an aging, insanely expensive pitcher on a team with a ceiling of 84 wins for the next 3 years doesnt really do anything for anyone, id say it can GREATLY improve the team
for 10000th time: they need to get younger. they cant have old expensive worn down players making up the bulk of the roster. i cannot understand why you people have such a tough time seeing this.
Kind of wish Victorino ended up kicking his ass now.
How does it not?
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2012, 06:47:59 PM
someone might bite and take his awful contract off their hands, or they can work out a trade and maybe get someone back for him
since an aging, insanely expensive pitcher on a team with a ceiling of 84 wins for the next 3 years doesnt really do anything for anyone, id say it can GREATLY improve the team
for 10000th time: they need to get younger. they cant have old expensive worn down players making up the bulk of the roster. i cannot understand why you people have such a tough time seeing this.
No one is taking that contract you even said it yourself. I'm all for another team taking him and have said before I'd trade him just to get rid of his salary so your last point is moot...but at this point Ruben just looks like an idiot.
his contract is very difficult to trade, its not something that can be worked out in 2 weeks. but lets say cc tears in his leg up. now the yankees need an ace.
lee has cleared waivers. he can be traded. now the phils and yanks can talk.
just calm down and go back to hating women and denying climate change.
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2012, 06:58:57 PM
his contract is very difficult to trade, its not something that can be worked out in 2 weeks. but lets say cc tears in his leg up. now the yankees need an ace.
lee has cleared waivers. he can be traded. now the phils and yanks can talk.
Thanks for the insight and all of this great information. I had no idea how waivers work.
And even if CC was injured not even the Yankees would take on Lee's deal.
They're on MLB Network if anyone gives a damn.
Juan Samuel has been as bad as any of these douchebags out on the field.
It is amazing how awful this team is with guys on base. I mean historically bad. Even worse is how the pitchers seem to allow runs immediately after the hitters fail. Cole only ended up giving up the rocket to Laroche, but still, how about a 1-2-3 after your hitters shtein the bed once in a while?
historicaly bad is pretty strong.....but they arent good
they are 12th worst in the majors in runners left on per game
and 8th worst in the majors with runner left in scoring position
And Howard goes down looking. At least he didn't blow his ankle out trying to swing.
Third strike was borderline but too damn close to take. Unfortunately, he wouldn't have hit it anyway.
Why the farg is Howard even playing at this point? Time to call it a season for him. Get him back to completely rehabbing that leg of his. Once that's healed completely they can start to rebuild his swing because he looks like an unfolding lawn chair right now.
Quote from: SD on August 02, 2012, 07:03:27 PMThanks for the insight and all of this great information. I had no idea how waivers work.
And even if CC was injured not even the Yankees would take on Lee's deal.
just because they trade him doesnt mean the other team is picking up the deal
maybe they take on 75% and get a killer prospect. though really i cant imagine rube trading him unless someone is eating the money. but for example if texas dangles mike olt and a 15% tab on lee i do it because olt could be that good.
Quote from: SD on August 02, 2012, 09:41:45 PM
And Howard goes down looking. At least he didn't blow his ankle out trying to swing.
It's like he was never gone.
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 01:16:17 AM
Quote from: SD on August 02, 2012, 07:03:27 PMThanks for the insight and all of this great information. I had no idea how waivers work.
And even if CC was injured not even the Yankees would take on Lee's deal.
just because they trade him doesnt mean the other team is picking up the deal
maybe they take on 75% and get a killer prospect. though really i cant imagine rube trading him unless someone is eating the money. but for example if texas dangles mike olt and a 15% tab on lee i do it because olt could be that good.
You should apply for the Phillies GM spot once Ruben gets shteincanned. Great insight.
Oswalt gets roped the other night, Dempster gets roughed up tonight but thankfully the Rangers score 15, just saying...........................
I hear Lee stormed into RAJ's office and threatened him physically after finding out about waivers.
Actually, that's a lie.
In other news, my favorite tweet about this situation was this:
"The Phillies put Cliff Lee on wafers because he's delicious."
Quote from: SD on August 02, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
Why put him on waivers? Nobody is going to claim him and now he's going to be disgruntled. What an idiotic move.
every team puts a ton of players on waivers at this time. they are giving themselves a chance to make a trade. it's a non-story.
Rumor is Ruben got angry that Cliff went to Chick Fil A on 8/1
I heard it was because RAJ felt Lee showed him up by shagging some balls in CF and by stealing that base the other night.
I heard it's because RAJ Al Ghul had plans to burn the city but was stopped by Batman and Cliff Lee
joe blanton goes to the dodgers, claimed off waivers
pure salary dump. whatever. bring up cloyd.
rosenjew called up, kendrick to start tonight
cliff lee did not clear waivers
oooo baby here we go
impossible. every expert on here said he would.
guess they couldn't work a deal out and pulled him off?
They'll just pull him back
amaro said they put some claims in for outfielders
hopefully texas put in for phifer because of the pitching debacle that was the angels series
pay 1/3 of his deal smug and get olt
he wants someone to pay all of it and get a prospect back
never gonna happen and lee aint goin nowhere
Fat Joe begone. They wouldn't have won in '08 w/o him but a terrible re-signing just the same.
And Phifer ain't going anywhere. Settle down Lil guy.
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 05:32:11 PM
he wants someone to pay all of it and get a prospect back
never gonna happen and lee aint goin nowhere
This is all true.
Not to mention incredibly accurate.
(3 Kirin Ichibans in - woot)
dodgers claimed him, have until sunday to make a deal
matt kemp and clayton kershaw?
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 06:36:39 PM
dodgers claimed him, have until sunday to make a deal
matt kemp and clayton kershaw?
Dodgers seeing if the philly west thing works for more than just hockey.
I TOLD YOU fargERS IT WOULD BE THE DODGERS
Is there anyone in their farm system worth having? Maybe they'll just trade back victorino
Quote from: Munson on August 03, 2012, 07:11:18 PM
Is there anyone in their farm system worth having? Maybe they'll just trade back victorino
They're somewhat depleted because of the Ramirez and Victorino trades and their top prospects are right handed pitchers.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
hopefully texas put in for phifer because of the pitching debacle that was the angels series
pay 1/3 of his deal smug and get olt
Olt's on the major league roster, so I believe he'd have to pass through waivers as well.
Quote from: Munson on August 03, 2012, 07:11:18 PM
Is there anyone in their farm system worth having?
The McCourts.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 03, 2012, 06:55:20 PM
I TOLD YOU fargERS IT WOULD BE THE DODGERS
lets get it straight....YOU dont tell anyone anything...every single thing you post is either copied and pasted or paraphrased from twitter
fact
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 03, 2012, 07:22:14 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
hopefully texas put in for phifer because of the pitching debacle that was the angels series
pay 1/3 of his deal smug and get olt
Olt's on the major league roster, so I believe he'd have to pass through waivers as well.
why...im no expert on mlb waivers but why couldnt they trade olt for phifer straight up if thats what they wanted to do...how is olt any different than if they wanted to trade josh hamilton for phifer
every player traded after 7/31 has to go through waivers
but even if you are minor leaguer?....i guess olt has to cause he was just brought up....but i know not every player in an organization has to go thru waivers...... maybe you have to be on the 40 man roster??
either way who cares about a trade....farging get phifers money off the books
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2012, 08:31:04 PM
but even if you are minor leaguer?....i guess olt has to cause he was just brought up....but i know not every player in an organization has to go thru waivers...... maybe you have to be on the 40 man roster??
either way who cares about a trade....farging get phifers money off the books
If you're on the 40 man roster you have to pass through waivers, not on the 40 man roster you don't have to. Ruben has already said he's hanging onto Lee. So they have until Sunday to work something out with the Dodgers because the time limit to work out a deal is 2 days. Unless the Dodgers blow the Phillies away with prospects I can't see them moving him. If Lee were going to be a free agent this year he'd still get a similar deal to Hamels.
if smug pulls him back then he should be shot....phifer by himself is probably worth three years in terms of how far back the franchise is set
choke getting ebola is #1 but next on the list of things that can help this franchise the most getting rid of lees contract is a close second
he might just be talking tough to be a douche but if the dodgers are willing to just take his contract they have to do it
they can add in some young guys via halladay, utley, jimmy and chooch trades. start hof joseph, hof brown, freddy, hail ceasar and a few other young guys you get back in 2013. the ones that are good you keep. the ones that suck you buy replacements in 14 because youll have something like 150 million to spend
so yes they will be astros bad in 2013 but itll be fun. LETS DO IT.
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 09:28:23 PM
he might just be talking tough to be a douche but if the dodgers are willing to just take his contract they have to do it
they can add in some young guys via halladay, utley, jimmy and chooch trades. start hof joseph, hof brown, freddy, hail ceasar and a few other young guys you get back in 2013. the ones that are good you keep. the ones that suck you buy replacements in 14 because youll have something like 150 million to spend
so yes they will be astros bad in 2013 but itll be fun. LETS DO IT.
halladay is done after next year jimmy only has two more and not at big money
these kinds of guys arent a hinderant....choke and lee...thats it...thats the list....choke is not moveable which makes it even more important that you get rid of phifer
ps - hamels deal is horrendous as well but we all know he isnt going anywhere...they made their bed there they have to lay in it...good or bad
if you trade lee you are giving up on 13 and therefore should totally destroy the team, which is the smart move. bottom out. get major league close to ready youngins and throw em to the wolves.
if you think for some asinine reason you can make a run in 13 you keep lee and give it a shot.
but i implore everyone in the latter camp to look at the free agents for this year. el oh. el.
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 09:45:26 PM
if you trade lee you are giving up on 13 and therefore should totally destroy the team, which is the smart move. bottom out. get major league close to ready youngins and throw em to the wolves.
if you think for some asinine reason you can make a run in 13 you keep lee and give it a shot.
but i implore everyone in the latter camp to look at the free agents for this year. el oh. el.
Not necessarily, you get rid of Lee and now you have $25 million more to spend on bats or other arms. "But there's nobody out there worth signing in free agency"...well that's what trades are for.
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 09:45:26 PM
if you trade lee you are giving up on 13 and therefore should totally destroy the team, which is the smart move. bottom out. get major league close to ready youngins and throw em to the wolves.
if you think for some asinine reason you can make a run in 13 you keep lee and give it a shot.
but i implore everyone in the latter camp to look at the free agents for this year. el oh. el.
lol what?
they have no chance to win the world series in 2013....they wont be as bad as they are this year (altho its possible) but it wont be far off either...a wild card next year is tenous at best much less some sort of championship run...
i know, thats why i want them to blow this shtein up
best case scenario for 13 is everyone stays healthy (doubtful), the over the hill vets perform like they are 29 (no), and they get those lucky little breaks that a few teams grab each year (think 2012 a's).
if all that happens they can perhaps get a wild card spot. if you want to waste a year on that go for it.
of course then 14 is a disaster with nothing but young players. so you basically set up 3 straight terrible seasons.
or you call 13 what it is, and by 14 they might be able to at least be competitive.
thats the major problem with this team and what smug didnt look ahead to...injuries are the obvious and easy thing to point at but again and ive said this a milion times over the last couple years....the whole farging team is going senior citizen at exactly the same time...this is much bigger than any injuries....you cant rebuild on the fly when that happens......must. blow. up.
and the right handed power hitting bat they need doesnt even exist in the FA market. they dont have the parts to trade for one.
the only thing they can do is spend money on the bullpen (joel peralta?), sign a mid-level starter to fill out the rotation, and sign speed to fill out the lineup. go straight pitching and defense. bunt. squeezes. first to third. second to home, etc.
thats the only route they can go in 13 and its got 3 massive problems: 1. the manager cannot manage this way, 2. the ballpark is not conducive to it, 3. its very arbitrary and difficult to work.
i know its difficult for people to accept losing but the best possible thing for them in 2013 is suck and suck hard
i obviously agree...but how does tanking in 2013 and 2014 stand next to caking off heidi the way they did...they dont work in tandem
this is the problem with smug....he has no plan whatsoever....he gm's on the fly...rather than ever looking at the big picture....his major problem is following a legend...hes trying to live up to gillick by attempting to be a genius and win a world series in the next five minutes...he does this because hes so scared that his legacy is going to be that of the guy who sent the team into the shteinter following the master gillick....smug is all about smug where as gillick was all about titles
i rarely stay home on a friday night, but when i do and come here i always wonder how it's possible that you two enjoy talking to each other on purpose.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
i obviously agree...but how does tanking in 2013 and 2014 stand next to caking off heidi the way they did...they dont work in tandem
this is the problem with smug....he has no plan whatsoever....he gm's on the fly...rather than ever looking at the big picture....his major problem is following a legend...hes trying to live up to gillick by attempting to be a genius and win a world series in the next five minutes...he does this because hes so scared that his legacy is going to be that of the guy who sent the team into the shteinter following the master gillick....smug is all about smug where as gillick was all about titles
he signed hamels for 14 and 15 and 16. at least thats what im hoping. he knew a pitcher of that quality wasnt hitting the market and he had to keep him. you wait for then when you think you can win you gotta bite the bullet now and pay him.
if not its just another mistake he made. howard contract, lee contract, first lee trade, oswalt trade, pence trade, polanco, francisco being the rf last year, mayberry the lf this year, utley's knees, brian schnieder, papelboner, chad qualls. its goes and on and on.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 03, 2012, 10:18:33 PM
i rarely stay home on a friday night, but when i do and come here i always wonder how it's possible that you two enjoy talking to each other on purpose.
you should try having three hours of work to do over an eight hour shift. it gives you time to talk to weird people on the internet.
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
you should try having three hours of work to do over an eight hour shift.
i do that every day
then on friday nights i have no life
we all cant be globe trotters like matty
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2012, 10:29:30 PM
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
you should try having three hours of work to do over an eight hour shift.
i do that every day
then on friday nights i have no life
we all cant be globe trotters like matty
this time last year i hated working in an office and could never see myself doing it. turn around to now and i am magically content with it. of course this fairly tale ends next week and football starts.
but anyway go through usajobs and telll me which one i can do, get me the job, give me a key to your basement. deal?
just apply for any gs-5 position....office automation shtein (OA)...you will be over qualified and probably take a pay cut but thats your in....after that you will move on up like george and weezy and before you know it you will be clockin g's like ole havas
lol paycut
stillupfront's mom if i take a paycut they gonna put me on food stamps
michael phelps just smoked everyone in the last 50. usa! usa! usa!
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2012, 10:34:54 PM
lol paycut
stillupfront's mom if i take a paycut they gonna put me on food stamps
true...i forgot you work in mexico...still a 5 these days is like high 20's to 35 maybe?...depending on what city you get the job in....the huge thing you got going for you tho is that you will work anywhere...usually people are only looking for an opening where they currently rest their head
its more journalism than mexico, but yea, its something i probably should look into
if i get dc/balt i will be jewish mcnulty and you will be white bunk
Now that I'm in on The Wire, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that you ain't no McNulty. I can buy Havas as Bunk though.
i can out drink bunk
i can out....
crap
Congratulations on making this thread worse than the Phillies season it's about.
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The Aloha Spirit is alive and well.
Oh, and Choke still sucks.
I hope they re-sign him in the offseason. Shane's a Phillie lifer in my book.
i get married to certain players as much as anyone but you never sign a player with your heart.....the brain dead ship has sailed...let it sink with someone else
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Chooch on the DL with a foot injury, out 4-6 weeks. Luna up. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Carlos_Ruiz_to_miss_four_to_six_weeks_.html)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 04, 2012, 05:00:09 PM
i get married to certain players as much as anyone but you never sign a player with your heart.....the brain dead ship has sailed...let it sink with someone else
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Shane was great last year. He didn't just all of a sudden lose it. He's had a down year but he's got a lot left.
hes headed towards baseball oblivion and is going to get massively overpaid....not exactly a practice this team in position to do right now
mike bourn and bj upton are out there, are better players and more realistic options
its tough to say goodbye sometimes but thats life. you can do it rome. LET GO MY BROTHA
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 04, 2012, 05:14:28 PM
Chooch on the DL with a foot injury, out 4-6 weeks. Luna up. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Carlos_Ruiz_to_miss_four_to_six_weeks_.html)
Going to be an exciting August for the Philadelphia IronPigs.
QuoteRuiz is fourth in the National League in batting average, hitting .335, but because of the injury he won't have enough plate appearances by the end of the year to be eligible for the batting title.
Chance Vic comes back = 1.7%
^ Homer ^
Since practice was cancelled at Lehigh I'm going to head to the Phillies game. Tickets are on Stubhub for .94
Was that .94 as in $0.94 or .094 Choke's average?
Quote from: Don Ho on August 05, 2012, 03:54:20 PM
Was that .94 as in $0.94 or .094 Choke's average?
Yes?
QuoteArash Markazi @ArashMarkazi
James Loney just got to Dodgers clubhouse. Shane Victorino looks at wrist and says, "You MFers better start showing up earlier around here."
Oh that Maui work ethic.
Quote from: Munson on August 05, 2012, 05:01:19 PM
QuoteArash Markazi @ArashMarkazi
James Loney just got to Dodgers clubhouse. Shane Victorino looks at wrist and says, "You MFers better start showing up earlier around here."
Is this bullshtein? Just curious because if it's accurate it's fantastic.
Buster Olney retweeted it so I assume it has at least a fraction of merit.
The sellout streak is over. 257 games.
That shtein has been a fraud for awhile now so good that its ended so we can stop hearing about how its a sellout when most of the sections are empty seats.
This probably belongs in the Rest of Baseball thread but he's only been gone a week. They may sign him but not for the $/years he wants. He did go 2-4 tonight in 2-0 loss to Rockies.
QuoteLOS ANGELES -- Shane Victorino has been in Los Angeles for only four games, but he's already hoping for a long future in Dodger blue.
Victorino has informed his agents that he would like to re-sign with the Los Angeles Dodgers, the outfielder told ESPNLosAngeles.com on Monday.
Victorino is in the final year of a three-year, $22 million contract he signed before the 2010 season with the Philadelphia Phillies.
"I don't want to just be a two-month or three-month rental," Victorino said. "I want to be here."
Victorino played all but one of his nine major-league seasons with the Phillies, but being in Los Angeles has shown him the advantages of playing on the West Coast. His parents, Mike and Joycelyn, flew from Maui to attend Monday night's game against the Colorado Rockies. His wife and two young children can fly from the family's home in Las Vegas to Los Angeles in less than an hour.
Victorino, 31, moved to left field to accommodate Los Angeles' best player, Matt Kemp, and is off to a slow start with the Dodgers, with just two hits in his first 17 at-bats.
"Don't get me wrong. I still miss Philly and I still miss everything about that place, but now that this chapter has come into play, there are a lot of other things I look at," Victorino said. "I'd love to stay here for the next however many years and win one here."
The feeling might well be mutual. Before landing Victorino at the trade deadline, the Dodgers had used eight different left fielders, who had a collective .338 slugging percentage, 29th in the majors./quote]
last game to not "sell out" at the bank
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI200907060.shtml
Von Brown actually not looking too bad in this go-around. Hope he can keep it up.
Hamels pitched a beaut.
Brown is showing some glimpses...
2015 here we come!
Like the approach with Brown, "You're it buddy so don't worry about looking over your shoulder". Best thing for him.
Pretty much.
He still takes some adventurous routes on fly balls but I liked his throw to hose McCann and his plate approach.
very underrated
watch him at the plate then watch hackers like mike mike and roidin freddie. one is just a tad better than the other.
not sure if hes ever going to be a middle of the order all star but hes definitely going to be able to hang around. probably wasnt worth all the hype, but oh well. whatevs.
Brown's best asset is his plate approach. He walks a ton. He just needs to figure out his swing mechanics (big "just needs" admittedly), and figure out wtf he's doing on route in the OF.
24 meaningless at bats into his season and dom brown proclamations are being respun
i love sports
It's not officially the offseason but unofficially it is:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120808_Inside_the_Phillies__Bourn_may_be_target_of_Phillies_in_offseason.html
I like Bourn, and if he were 5 years younger I'd be all over him. But he's 30, averages over 100 strike outs a game, and has a low OBP. His speed is still decent but that's going to decline every year after the age of 30. Not to mention he's represented by Boras. Just don't see him as a good signing. This team needs to go younger and take a step back. I have the feeling someone is going to overpay for him big time.
Quote from: SD on August 08, 2012, 07:53:33 AM
It's not officially the offseason but unofficially it is:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120808_Inside_the_Phillies__Bourn_may_be_target_of_Phillies_in_offseason.html
I like Bourn, and if he were 5 years younger I'd be all over him. But he's 30, averages over 100 strike outs a game, and has a low OBP. His speed is still decent but that's going to decline every year after the age of 30. Not to mention he's represented by Boras. Just don't see him as a good signing. This team needs to go younger and take a step back. I have the feeling someone is going to overpay for him big time.
that gotta be some kind of record for strikeouts
Haha. IGY beat me to it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2012, 07:16:57 AM
24 meaningless at bats into his season and dom brown proclamations are being respun
i love sports
Meh. I think he'll be an average MLB starter. Even last year he had a strong walk rate. It's the rest of it that needs to be worked on. For his age he has a very solid plate approach. I don't think anyone is projecting him to be a superstar like they were 2 years ago.
Exactly. if dude can bat .270, get OB at like a .330 clip, and be average in the outfield, that'll be good enough. Sign some big names in 2014, and worry about one less spot to fill in the OF.
He was starting to look good last year too before the Phils sent him back down
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2012, 08:12:05 AM
Quote from: SD on August 08, 2012, 07:53:33 AM
It's not officially the offseason but unofficially it is:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120808_Inside_the_Phillies__Bourn_may_be_target_of_Phillies_in_offseason.html
I like Bourn, and if he were 5 years younger I'd be all over him. But he's 30, averages over 100 strike outs a game, and has a low OBP. His speed is still decent but that's going to decline every year after the age of 30. Not to mention he's represented by Boras. Just don't see him as a good signing. This team needs to go younger and take a step back. I have the feeling someone is going to overpay for him big time.
that gotta be some kind of record for strikeouts
And at bats.
Everyone is so high on Bourne, I'm glad SD brought up the strike outs per season. The dude K's a lot and he would drive us crazy. He is going to make a boat load of dough and some team is going to regret it. He's a nice fit in Atlanta right now as he is surrounded by some pretty darn good bats but his weakness would stick out like a sore thumb on the Phils.
If they sign Bourn they will have officially become the Washington taterskins of MLB.
NO.
can someone tell me the point of having kendrick start while cloyd is still in AAA
people who have seen him exactly zero times are definitely in a position to judge dom brown.
neat.
Antonio basticho is now in die in a fire territory. That fargin guy sucks.
for some reason he is still in fantasy team
maybe because i forgot. maybe because this league is totally gay and has holds.
maybe both?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 09, 2012, 12:27:50 AM
Antonio basticho is now in die in a fire territory. That fargin guy sucks.
His fall was fast and hard. He is beyond awful.
This Lindblom cat is looking like a swell pickup. Buddy of mine who is a Doyer fan said buckle up with Lindblom as he gives up a shtein load of long balls.
Victorino put up a thank you Philadelphia billboard. Cool
Saw that on 700level. But they don't know where he put it. Dumbass probably has it sitting along the 405 or something.
That's 8 home runs in 34 games for Chase....rumors of his demise greatly exaggerated?
Doc throws a gem when it means absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Munson on August 10, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
That's 8 home runs in 34 games for Chase....rumors of his demise greatly exaggerated?
He farging crushed that thing. Funny how TMac kind of hesitated on the call as it was clearly obvious that the ball was long gone.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
Victorino put up a thank you Philadelphia billboard. Cool
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pretty awesome
Hope shane does well for himself but LAD can still DIAF.
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Quote from: Munson on August 10, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
That's 8 home runs in 34 games for Chase....rumors of his demise greatly exaggerated?
Chase is still good. Problem is whether he'll be healthy enough ever to play more than 60% of a season going forward.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 10, 2012, 10:20:08 PM
Quote from: Munson on August 10, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
That's 8 home runs in 34 games for Chase....rumors of his demise greatly exaggerated?
Chase is still good. Problem is whether he'll be healthy enough ever to play more than 60% of a season going forward.
Exactly. Good thing is that we don't have to worry about him wearing down for the playoffs this year.
i can safely say i was never worrying about that this year
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 10, 2012, 10:20:08 PM
Quote from: Munson on August 10, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
That's 8 home runs in 34 games for Chase....rumors of his demise greatly exaggerated?
Chase is still good. Problem is whether he'll be healthy enough ever to play more than 60% of a season going forward.
I imagine they'll try and push him to 3 games and then rest next year, which will mean only missing 1 game per week on some weeks.
lol one good doc game and one chaz utley homer and all of a sudden they are all stars again
just run out and get your season tickets already homers. im sure theyll magically stop being old next year.
Quote from: MDS on August 11, 2012, 03:11:31 AM
lol one good doc game and one chaz utley homer and all of a sudden they are all stars again
just run out and get your season tickets already homers. im sure theyll magically stop being old next year.
That's actually two good Doc games. Two!
Regardless, Utley never stopped being "good". He isn't the best second baseman in baseball but he's still a good player when he's healthy. Problem is that he never is.
GRIT is a perfectly fine player the problem is as the little guy said he is each year progressively getting worse both on and off the field
yet people act like next year can be 2007 or 8 again
I don't think many people here think that. Utley, Howard, Halladay, Lee etc all have already had their best years clearly. I don't think any of the four of them are washed up though. In Utley's case, he isn't hitting .300 again, but I could see a .270 year with a .360 OBP and 20 HRs. Unfortunately you're right in that some think just wait until next year and he'll be back to the way he was, Howard will be hitting 40+ homeruns, Halladay will magically find 2-3 mph back etc. Ain't happening, but there's a middle ground between thinking those four are done and realizing they aren't what they were.
agreed....the middle ground is like 83 wins...they arent going to have a year like this again next season but they also arent making the playoffs
I'll wait to see what they do in the offseason before I speculate about next season.
they are only going to be as good as the free agent outfielders they can sign and whatever third baseman sebastian valle (their one expendable somewhat decent prospect) can get them.
so....you do that math on that one
Did I hear that correctly Wheels was in the Army?
So the piece of shrapnel from combat duty still lodge in his skull explains everything.
If he got out of the Army in 68' like he said then that makes him a Vietnam Vet.
Quote from: SD on August 11, 2012, 10:12:40 PM
If he got out of the Army in 68' like he said then that makes him a Vietnam Vet.
Figures, the only war America lost is Wheeler's fault.
More seriously, his Phillies bio doesn't mention anything about military:
QuoteA Philadelphia native, "Wheels" is entering his 36th season as a Phillies broadcaster. The longest-tenured member of the Phillies broadcast team, he has done play-by-play and color analysis on both radio and television.
Wheeler began his Phillies career in 1971 as assistant director of publicity and public relations under Larry Shenk. While a member of that department, he was added to the broadcast team in 1977. In addition to his broadcast duties, Wheeler was named director of the Phillies' new community relations department in 1982. In 1991, he became the department's director of the Speakers Bureau, a position he held through 1997. Additionally, Wheeler was the camp coordinator for Phillies Dream Week from 1983-99.
After graduating from Penn State University in 1967 with a BA degree in journalism and broadcasting, Wheeler got his first job with WCAU Radio in Philadelphia as a news writer and reporter, while also doing traffic reports from an airplane. He then moved to WBBM Radio in Chicago, followed by a stint in New York with CBS Radio, before joining the Phillies.
A graduate of Marple Newtown High School, Wheeler resides in Blue Bell, Pa. He is the author of View from the Booth, which recounts his four decades with the Phillies.
That timeline wouldn't seem to leave much time left for military service, but I guess anything's possible.
its a shame he didnt die
just saw this stat: phifer this year with RISP: .333, .961 OPS, 14 extra-base hits allowed
all last year in those situations he gave up 11 xtrabh
why is he not a dodger right now?
Because they saw the same stat?
good point
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phils are 11-27 on weekends
Most people don't work on the weekends, so why should they be any different?
lol @ that lineup
how the mighty have fallen
lance calling balls and strikes today for vance and lance
todd reading ew fall movie preview on his porch
love the movie preview issues....ill be reading it on the train tuesday morn
GO PHILS!
theres a solid 2 pager on the twilight movie (which for the life of me i thought was over last year), other than that good read so far
Quote from: MDS on August 12, 2012, 01:27:39 PM
Lil @ that lineup
how the mighty have fallen
Lineup? I thought it was the passenger list for the Titanic.
this has been a pretty farging great meaningless game
j horst be ballin
Kratz just pulled a Victorino.
payback!
Glad that Willie Mays Hayes beat out the throw.
jimmy = gawd
Fun game.
The way Kratz has been playing is pretty amazing. Thank god because they needed a decent backup. It's nice to see Choke and Grit showing some life too
how uncomfortable was the celebration after pierres hit...especially GRIT
and lol at kratz and chokes cpb specials....good lord do they need to move the fences back....hollidays reaction after kratzs was priceless
if my math is correct kratz has 15 hits this year and 12 are for extra bases??
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 12, 2012, 06:11:10 PM
how uncomfortable was the celebration after pierres hit...especially GRIT
and lol at kratz and chokes cpb specials....good lord do they need to move the fences back....hollidays reaction after kratzs was priceless
Holidays home run off of Lee last night was the definition of a CBp special.
My boy and I grabbed our kids and took them to the game today. Tickets were $3 a piece.
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Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 12, 2012, 05:22:30 PM
Kratz just pulled a Victorino.
I could not believe that. The bums must have set some kind of club record for base running blunders this season.
Just when we think we have morons running the base paths theres always Jose Reyes. Buffoon.
Back to back complete game shutouts for Cole
Halladay looks like he's back too
Worley becomes the 3 starter
Cloyd gets a look at 4 although I'm not sure his stuff translates to this level
Lee is gone. His one inning melt downs are getting old.
Worley should be shut down so his elbow bone chips can heal up...and let Cloyd come up to see what he can do.
Great game by Hamels tonight
cant call up cloyd
his stuff doesnt translate to the majors. kendrick gives them the best chance to win. gotta win games.
sincerely,
ruben amaro jr
Quote from: MDS on August 14, 2012, 12:00:26 AM
cant call up cloyd
his stuff doesnt translate to the majors. kendrick gives them the best chance to win. gotta win games.
sincerely,
ruben amaro jr
How idiotic is it for them to say his stuff doesn't translate to the majors? I can see trying to use him as a bargaining chip for a trade in the offseason:
RAJ: Well Cloyd was 14-1 and dominated in the minors last season
GM: Says right here you don't think his stuff will translate to the majors
RAJ: Oh, you saw that.
When you have a successful prospect you crank up the hype machine. Maybe the fans get on you for not bringing him up so you use language like "we're keeping him at triple A right now so he can improve, we feel he'll be a great major league pitcher one day...he sort of reminds us of Greg Maddux. But we feel bringing him up this late in the season could hinder what he's built this season in Triple A. We'll give him a long look during spring training".
Conversation over.
Good news: Phils up 1-0 on a J-Roll leadoff dinger.
Bad news: That's probably it for the night.
Quote from: Rome on August 14, 2012, 07:18:22 PM
Good news: Phils up 1-0 on a J-Roll leadoff dinger.
Bad news: That's probably it for the night.
Prophet!
Shocking news: Kendrick and the BP held it at 1-0.
Johnny Papsmear coming on
PG yelled at me on Facebook for posting that.
:-D
She's just excited about "jinxing" the Yanks.
Ha! I saw that. Good for her, though. farg the Yankees.
Just saw that Jimmy broke Bowa's franchise mark for most games played at SS. Cool.
10 back of the second wild card
run this way
Here is the lineup the Phillies are using to finish off the sweep of the Marlins:
Jimmy
Frandsen
GRIT
Ty Wiggy - 1B
Hector Luna - LF
Dom
AAAberry - CF
Kratz
Doc
BARF.
at least the phillies are still playing....unlike the POS marlins who have completely quit
Awesome job by the bullpen and the offense today. As usual.
Clowns.
18 games or whatever the farg they are out, 10,11, 12 behind the wild card, season over or not, this farging bullpen is getting worse. Where did all this media garbage come from about Schwimmer looking a lot better? Where, in the mirror or in the new suit he bought? He sure isn't looking any better on the mound.
only two old crotchety men could give a shtein about this team right now
seriously go the farg outside or something. god damnit don you live in hawaii. go surf and smoke, then lay on the beach. damnit.
:-D The drinking has helped. zesty summer for surf this year. farging El Nino, La Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria, whatever the hell you call it, it's screwing everything up.
the phils got the dodgers 23rd ranked prospect to complete the victorino trade
Anything less than him growing into the #2 starter behind Hamels in 2014 is a disgrace.
Laynce Nix is your starting CF tonight.
And there's another Rollins didn't hustle controversey going on. Greatest Phillie SS ever and the guy gets talked about by some like he's Steve Jeltz.
The racist tweets along with the ones saying how he's not gritty make me furious.
They don't have a center fielder, so it doesn't really matter.
I saw the play they're referring to, Phreak. Rollins was loafing his ass down the line like he usually does. They're right about him being a lazy farg, but he's always been that way and he's not going to change. Why they're making a federal case out of it now is fairly evident, though.
In other words, good luck in Oakland in 2013, J-Roll.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 16, 2012, 06:29:07 PM
And there's another Rollins didn't hustle controversey going on. Greatest Phillie SS ever and the guy gets talked about by some like he's Steve Jeltz.
The racist tweets along with the ones saying how he's not gritty make me furious.
Hahahaha...I saw that on the Phillies facebook page. They posted a pic of the tonight's lineup and people are going nuts saying that Jimmy should be benched. Idiots.
http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/video?PID=dMBaeUhmY51P5Nk6yLcFhLctwvYCvFsv&t=18-53
cholololy
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 16, 2012, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 16, 2012, 06:29:07 PM
And there's another Rollins didn't hustle controversey going on. Greatest Phillie SS ever and the guy gets talked about by some like he's Steve Jeltz.
The racist tweets along with the ones saying how he's not gritty make me furious.
Hahahaha...I saw that on the Phillies facebook page. They posted a pic of the tonight's lineup and people are going nuts saying that Jimmy should be benched. Idiots.
he should be criticzed for the play in question...but what happens after a play like that is you have all the troglodytes who would despise him even if he was the black rose now have ammo and try to cancel out his entire amazing career....the best was hearing all day on wip how larry bowa was a better player than rollins all because he didnt run a ball out in a meaningless august baseball game....these people should all be put down
Absolute agree on criticizing him. Maybe he should even be benched. But him being in or not being in the lineup isn't worth getting excited about.
yeah i listened to the phanatic for a few days this week just bc of the bynum deal and the rollins talk made me realize why i haven't listened to sports talk in years.
not to mention he didn't lose the game, that was the six runs the bp gave up.
John Blumkpin caughing up the lead after an error keeps the inning alive.
HA HA HA!!!!
Oh Dom!
Agreed on Jimmy being criticized for the play. But like Havas said - it's the farging toolbags who start with the dramatic shtein and how he's some bum. May they all die in a nice fire.
Got back to my truck after softball tonight and pulled up the MLB app...4-3 b8.
Took my cleats off and went to get a beer and 7-4.
Lol
all of you should be rooting for my fantasy team and that corey hart grand slam was money for the ol mr. bevilacqua's
lolblolom
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 17, 2012, 12:23:59 AM
dramatic shtein... May they all die in a nice fire.
How great is Phreak?
:-D
Holy shtein! Mikey Mart just hit a homer.
Nice at bat by Dom but why in the heck did Juan send him home? Clearly see he's hobbled and isn't moving as fast as he usually does.
Keep Fransden at 3B for the rest of the year. See what he can do. Take Polanco out back with the shotgun.
What are the chances that Schwimer can blow the entire 8-0 lead?
EDIT: Actually, he did a nice job of getting himself out of the jam.
Bases loaded, one out. Oh yeah, it crossed it mine that Schwimer was about to implode, again.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 19, 2012, 05:17:21 PM
Bases loaded, one out. Oh yeah, it crossed it mine that Schwimer was about to implode, again.
CROSSED IT MINE
i don't know if he pissed in his wheaties or what but Wheeler was all over Dom Brown today for "shutting it down" on that play where he got thrown out at home.
he had a slight hesitation in between 2nd and 3rd, but it wasn't anything close to shutting it down.
wheels is a douche, breaking news.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 19, 2012, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on August 19, 2012, 05:17:21 PM
Bases loaded, one out. Oh yeah, it crossed it mine that Schwimer was about to implode, again.
CROSSED IT MINE
It's never pleasent when you get yours crossed.
BREAKING: Halladay sucks at 1st innings.
Doc was luckier than shtein in that first inning. Reds should have scored a lot more than 2.
Love these Halladay pitching duels...
Phillipe Aumont called up because Horst placed on paternity leave.
cliff lolee
Mayberry has been much better hitting the ball after that awful start.
3-game winning streak. Another 20 more, and they're right back in this thing.
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Kevin Frandsen's play in the top of the sixth with the bases loaded and no outs was a thing of beauty.
Wow.
Play him. Take Polanco behind the barn with the shotgun.
Well...another game where Lee doesn't get run support.
Losing 3-1 in the 7th now
Rosenberg coming on...and I switch over to Real Sports
the thought of this lineup facing Chapman is sickening.
Since they blow ass this year I'm starting to enjoy this spoiler shtein.
Jimmy!!
WTF was that? That's why these clowns are 20 games out.
Bast ardo blows.
Now I've really shut it off.
Real Sports is great this week
Take Polanco over to the Jetro container yard next door and shoot him. Frandsen is the man.
Bums continue to be Broxton's bitch.
Nice pitch there Paps
Oh my god. Papsmear you farging kook.
Johnny Paps was on top of his game tonight. :yay
lol you people are sickening
get off the drug johnny weeks wannabees
Well it was nice seeing Broxton implode . Again.
Quote from: MDS on August 21, 2012, 12:02:38 AM
cliff lolee
QuoteHe hasn't won a game at Citizens Bank Park since Sept. 5, 2011.
Lee is winless in his last 13 home starts and has just two wins overall in 22 starts this season.
1991 throwbacks tonight.
And just like 1991 the Phils are out of playoff contention.
Feel the love!
Way to give up on the season. You sicken me.
Why are they going with the 1991 angle? These look like the same ones both teams wore in 1976 when they met for the NL Pennant.
If I remember correctly, 1991 was the last year for those uniforms. They started the current ones in 1992.
My bad, just heard the two goofballs talking about the 90's. Guess it's 90's night. Listening to Wheels and his confusion over Beverly Hills 90210 was priceless. Do it for The Peach Pit!
Tommy Greene threw out the first pitch.
One of my all-time favorite Phillies. What a great season he had in '93 (and '91 too, ironically enough).
Awesome offensive display tonight.
Go team.
Longball Lindblom at your service!
That was bizarre and that's saying something for these dipshteins.
what was bizarre
did utley get his average above 260 yet?
linblom is an abortion....ive never seen a guy groove more shtein in my life
He's a beer league pitcher just like the rest of the clowns in the pen.
my boy Dom was obviously inspired when he saw me in the stands...
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you're prettier
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2012, 07:04:46 AM
linblom is an abortion....ive never seen a guy groove more shtein in my life
I mentioned earlier in this thread that a buddy of mine who is a Doyer fan told me "Good luck with this guy. Gives up a lot of long balls." If he was yaking it up at Chavez Ravine what made Junior Boy think this clown could succeed in the batting cage that is CBP?
On a side note, my coworker from the bay area who is a Giants fan sent me a text last night "PENCE BLOWS!". HA!
Suckfest!
i know hes black and its going to be tough for people to like him but hof brown is for real
big ups to roob and charlie for wasting 2 years of life shuffling him back and forth between the minors, the bench and a platoon job
He's still abysmal against lefties and is gonna have to fix that, but his power's been coming back the last few games.
Dom's got a little swagger going. I love it. I no longer cringe when he's at the plate. When he's in the outfield I do more than cringe.
why? he's progressed immensly as an outfielder. he had one bad play in milwaukee but otherwise he's been good.
he has like 3 assists already, which is crazy
Sunny luvs him some Dom.
i more hate the retards who were ready to give up on him after a rough stretch
IGY & Todd are going to be really upset after reading that.
I like the kid personally and think what they did was farging stupid.
Whatever. Go Eagles.
I like when he pimped his homer at Lehigh.
And his arm is farging good. Once he gets his routes to the fly balls down he'll be a dangerous OF
I like him a lot better than I did Hunter Pence
Quote from: SunMo on August 24, 2012, 04:45:05 PM
why? he's progressed immensly as an outfielder. he had one bad play in milwaukee but otherwise he's been good.
he has like 3 assists already, which is crazy
I thought he misplayed a Bruce hit into a triple in the Reds series (or was that a different OF?). He's been much better in this callup - hopefully he's turned a corner. Would love to see Von Brown become a contributor next season.
Kyle Kendrick = John Lannan
I'm saddened by the fact that Mike Morse may have broken his hand on that HBP. Losing a good player in the midst of a pennant race sucks
Nattitude!
That was a sickening thud. Sounded like it had hit the bat.
Good game so far.
A sweep of these frauds would make a nice weekend surprise.
When did Kyle Kendrick suddenly become a major league starting pitcher?
When Chuck read him the riot act
Pops Schneider is back on the DL.
Steven Lerud called up from Reading. He was hitting .235
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 24, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
When did Kyle Kendrick suddenly become a major league starting pitcher?
when the games stopped counting
basticho is pitching.
Cover your eyes.
Probably.
Someone is line for crab fries is going to die when Zimmermans hr ball hits them
basticho/Lindbloom/Valdes/Rosenberg...all pitching the 8th.
Charlie LaRussa?
exactly like him...minus the hundred world series rings
fp santangelo said he knew the phillies were going out in the first round last year right after the nats came into philly and swept that four game set from them in september
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2012, 10:10:11 PM
exactly like him...minus the hundred world series rings
Simmer down, Mrs LaRussa...I'm not ripping your man tonight.
i love you jimmy
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so i think today was the date st louis was 10 games out before they came back and got in
phillies are 10.5 back at the end of tonight
fighters fight. never give up. dream big.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 25, 2012, 02:11:21 AM
i love you jimmy
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Word.
MAAAyberry!
Another good game.
Utley stole second and third to get there with 1 out and MAAAyberry sac flies him home. Tony B pitched a nice 8th too.
Nattitude.
look i dont want to get the homers excited but its 9.5 and thats exactly what st louis was back at this point last year
shhhhhh
Are you driving the bus or not?
not sure yet
but i did go through their remaining sked and its really easy. theres also 6 games against atlanta. i mean its theoretically possible....
Quote from: MDS on August 26, 2012, 02:20:36 PM
not sure yet
but i did go through their remaining sked and its really easy. theres also 6 games against atlanta. i mean its theoretically possible....
You homers are ridiculous
if they win today ill drive the bus and curry the load for all yall
if they lose its on FF
The bus is idling and MDS is stocking up the coolers with Tecate and tacos.
Motherfarging Jimmy!
you know if im driving youre in that first seat in the front
ive got enough shiner and breakfast tacos to go around. LETS DO THIS
In.
Bacon, egg and potato for me.
Lets see MAAAyberry blow this open.
No dice. Now Lee needs to not melt down.
Mets = 6 games
Nats = 6 games
Braves = 6 games
Reds = 3 games
Marlins = 6 games
Rockies = 3 games
Astros = 4 games
Lets do it!
its not going to happen but the schedule is more than doable
erik kratz for mvp
Laynce Nix actually did something.
That was Nix's first homer against a lefty since 2004.
lol
They just caught a break, either way the Cliff Lee meltdown inning is underway.
Wowow
Laroche thinks he has a two run homer but the ball hit the railing and bounced straight up. Werth stayed at third and Laroche thrown out.
Sweet
cliff lolee is trying to crash the bus
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2012, 03:37:44 PM
Wowow
Laroche thinks he has a two run homer but the ball hit the railing and bounced straight up. Werth stayed at third and Laroche thrown out.
Sweet
Bad assumption + hot dogging = look like an idiot.
Quote from: MDS on August 26, 2012, 03:39:05 PM
cliff lolee is trying to crash the bus
how is carl crawford a dodger and not cliff lee
or just a lucky cliff lee who is in full meltdown mode again
Lee has a NTC to the Dodgers, I believe.
But he should be a Phillie anyways.
he was claimed on waivers ntc is not applicable
a philee?
JIMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
I thought he still had to approve the deal. Either way they did the right thing by keeping him.
LindBOOM coming in....hold me
lindblololom gonna be awesome now that the bus is revving up
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2012, 04:01:18 PM
I thought he still had to approve the deal.
not unless he has a no waiver clause
werthless 2-12 with seven k's this series
MOCK
I played go... err.. I mean, ran errands this afternoon.
Mock?
The bus is in first gear....here weeeeee gooooooooo
Quote from: Rome on August 26, 2012, 04:19:30 PM
I played go... err.. I mean, ran errands this afternoon.
Mock?
19th hole treated you well i see
what is FP saying now
Nah... taking the family out to dinner. No drinky for me. Plus I had a flu shot the other day and my whole body still aches from that evil shtein.
Quote from: Rome on August 26, 2012, 04:22:32 PM
Nah... taking the family out to dinner. No drinky for me.
boooo
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 26, 2012, 04:18:12 PM
werthless 2-12 with seven k's this series
MOCK
Did you see his lucky ass bare handed grab?
Big series starts tonight!
Choke had himself a nice grand slam in the first.
Let's see if Worley can actually pitch half decent. Not looking good so far
Bullet. Amazingly they managed to go 1-2-3 immediately after the slam.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
Choke had himself a nice grand slam in the first.
Let's see if Worley can actually pitch half decent. Not looking good so far
Worley has not pitched well of late. KK miles ahead of him.
Homers say BOO! farging Bast ardo and fat douche Lindblowass.
basticho is worthless.
Welp...that was a fun weekend. The worthless Mets who couldn't beat Colorado and struggled with Houston have no problem here.
Nice bullpen tonight.
15+ scoreless innings from this bullpen was asking way to much. Like asking someone to land on the sun.
fargtardo, Blowa ss, Rosenshet, oh yeah!
Mets went like 9 games without scoring more than 3 runs or something like that.
fargers.
Where's Schwimer when you need him!
well thats it, tony b crashed the bus and rosenjew blew it up
OUT
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is that a douche earring?
Quote from: MDS on August 29, 2012, 02:08:47 AM
well thats it, tony b crashed the bus and rosenjew blew it up
OUT
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is that a douche earring?
No, a gritty band-aid for an ear injury.
heidi has an upset tummy so tyler cloyd starting tonight
Worley shut down - surgery in the next couple weeks.
grit's been taking grounders at 3rd. hmm
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 29, 2012, 04:29:34 PM
grit's been taking grounders at 3rd. hmm
BUT WHAT OF HOF FRANDSEN
This is just all to much to grasp right now. Heidi hurling, 4 eyes shut down, Grit at third, STOP! Make it STOP!
Sweep the Nats and then get worked by the farging Mets.
The 2012 Phillies in a nutshell.
The bandwagon bus broke down before it even got on the farging Turnpike
This has officially become the short bus.
The New York Mess. Jesus Christ.
so cloyd is mediocre
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2012, 10:04:26 PM
Sweep the Nats and then get worked by the farging Mets.
The 2012 Phillies in a nutshell.
not really....the 2012 phillies have been worse.....sweeping the nats is better than anything theyve done all year
Wigginton in LF, Martinez in RF and 9-year minor leaguer Steven Lerud making his ML debut behind the plate. Gonna be an awesome day
yea for my boy jonny niese
when i saw that lineup i got a tad hard
today
franzen - AAAberry - wiggy = 9 for 14
GRIT - choke - jimmy = 1 for 11
Haha... that is the first thing I noticed when I checked out the box.
Just pitiful.
WTF happened with JRoll and Charlie today? Did he pull Jimmy again?
Quote from: Don Ho on August 30, 2012, 04:56:24 PM
WTF happened with JRoll and Charlie today? Did he pull Jimmy again?
Yeah. Heard Mike Missanelli bitching about it on the way home.
Too little too late. Trade everyone and start over.
he wasnt hustling in a game no one gives a shtein about so its the worst thing ever
the problem with jimmy not hustling is not on the field...its off....the team just gave you a lot of money the least you could do is go all out the first year of the deal....if this was year three and he had a month left as a phillie then really who cares...but jesus can you appreciate the money they gave you for at least one year
It's a slap in the face to his teammates and especially the country bumpkin who loves him like an Oaktown Boys Club leader. The guy is in his 30s and it seems like he's making a point of loafin ass down the line with disturbing regularity. It don't mean shtein now because they suck and they ain't going anywhere, but still... he's beyond challenging Cholly's authority now. He's actively giving everyone the finger in the organization when he pulls this shtein, and it's gotta stop.
well then bench him or trade him
jimmy is jimmy take it or leave it
...and if you leave it, you're a farging nimrod.
Take it. Take it, and like it.
He should be running them all out.
With that being said I can buy the frustration. Dude has been popping out to the point of like having 60 infield pops this year. He'd popped up earlier in the game and then does it again. So he was frustrated.
Couple that with being on a zesty team full of pizza delverymen and WalMart greeters that's going nowhere and you have a guy who is very frustrated.
how are people in philly still calling him roy hOlliday
Because they were hoping he was Matt Holliday.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 31, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
how are people in philly still calling him roy hOlliday
Because we have some slow fans amongst us?
i hear fans do it semi regularly too but todaqy it was actually some dood on the wip update desk
Beautiful day outside in the islands, some great college football on this afternoon, long weekend. Why in the farg am I watching this horse shtein?
Because you want to see Halladay stroke out?
Dudes face is as red as the hat.
Holy crap, he was as beet red as I've ever seen him after one inning. He looked gassed.
Throwing well tho!
Kratz is the new age GRIT!
He just got smoked by Old Ass Larry and held on. Wow!
farging eh! Kratz was awesome. farging Larry Jones went for the throat. I've always respected chipper but I'd like to see someone farg his ass up tonight.
Chief Red Face just gave up a bomb to Prado.
So Rollins came out and admitted he doesn't hustle on every play nor does he think it's a big deal. Basically he said farg you, if you don't like it, too bad.
He's gotta go. The end.
Quote from: Rome on August 31, 2012, 08:55:58 PM
So Rollins came out and admitted he doesn't hustle on every play nor does he think it's a big deal. Basically he said farg you, if you don't like it, too bad.
He's gotta go. The end.
You're nuts.
Another bomb by the Braves. 4-1...both on two strike pitches
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: Rome on August 31, 2012, 08:55:58 PM
So Rollins came out and admitted he doesn't hustle on every play nor does he think it's a big deal. Basically he said farg you, if you don't like it, too bad.
He's gotta go. The end.
You're nuts.
he IS the phillies
smug and chuckles go before jimmy
Romey's post sounds like some Cataldi schtick. I actually read it in Cataldis voice.
We're coming back!
Tie it up and then Uggla goes yard...still 5-4 Bravos
Erik Kratz...wow. Yardbird off Kimbrel on 0-2 count
Well done Kratz!
MAAAyberry!
motherfargin MAAAyberry! 3R shot!
TMac the prophet "a lot of homers tonight..." and then a second later blast off
TRIPLE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
i have no clue how this happened but last week when i was IN i said they need to get at a minimum 8 games back of the lead by sunday.
right now its at 8.
IN IN IN IN
Great catch by Frandsen
Stuck listening to it since FOX is showing WAS-STL here.
Jimmy!
"they shoulda benched the lazy bum and then traded him outta the city" [/phillysportsdopes]
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2012, 04:49:53 PM
Jimmy!
"they shoulda benched the lazy bum and then traded him outta the city" [/phillysportsdopes]
I was at work when he was supposedly lollygagging down the line on that routine pop up and never bothered to watch the highlights. They just showed the replay and my first reaction was "that was way overblown". Who runs out routine flyballs?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2012, 04:30:38 PM
Stuck listening to it since FOX is showing WAS-STL here.
Angels/Mariners here. shtein.
Oh shtein, the Philbert meltdown.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 01, 2012, 06:07:02 PM
Oh shtein, the Philbert meltdown.
Must have missed that.
Bottom sixth, two out:
J Heyward singled to center.
C Jones singled to left, J Heyward to second.
F Freeman walked, J Heyward to third, C Jones to second.
B McCann popped out to shortstop.
Oh yeah, with McCann at the plate with bases loaded after the previous three batters he faced, it had melt written all over it.
if they win and the nats win its 7 with a month to go
hellllooooo magic
Magic Bus!
Season's over. Time to move on.
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hof frandsen?
aarp frandzen?
hof kratz?
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attn homers (j and lil guy): is there a mets bandwagon because they have one more loss than the phillies in the wild card race
no because they dont have erik kratz
ps at what point are you IN if not already. does it need to get it 2?
im out until at least 2016
phillies are on a mini version of the penn state plan
so when they make the playoffs with tyler cloyd pitching the play in game you will be
a, watching
b, not watching
c, hopefully dead
of course ill be watching a playoff game....i just know where this is all headed for the foreseeable future and will not be jumping on your guys homerwagons
everyone is off which makes it cool to jump on
theres plenty of room and ill be back off by wednesday
Too many teams to hop over for it to be doable IMO.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
Too many teams to hop over for it to be doable IMO.
ya think?
theres also the seven games out thing...and half the roster being minor leaguers
lol stop bringing logic into this discussion
LETS DO THIS
Miracles can happen, you negative clowns!
brandon graham + the phils = a winning 2012
These Braves jerseys are nice
Kill Frandsen
HOF Frandzen not so nice.
Oh my god. Jesus Christ almighty
I hope the plane crashes
YOU HAVE GOT TO BBE fargING KIDDNG ME.
lololololololololol
come on that was funny
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2012, 08:14:18 PM
Miracles can happen, you negative clowns!
Yes they do.
Love,
Chipper
kevin frandsen's 800th error since being called up (lol @ people wanting him to be the 3b next year) followed by another johnny paps meltdown (lol @ his contract)
football starts this weekend thank god
Did you ever think that unlucky bounce that Cole's 2 run double took would bite them in the ass?
farging Horst you goddamned Kraut!
Wagon back in the barn.
Quote from: Rome on September 02, 2012, 08:40:03 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2012, 08:14:18 PM
Miracles can happen, you negative clowns!
LOL
hahahahahaha @ homer j lil guy and the rest of "phillies nation".....you deserve everything you get
i was leading the bandwagon purely out of fun
never for one second did i actually think they could do it. in fact if youll remember i declared the season over after the first series against the pirates. but you have to admit being down 7 with 3.5 weeks to go would have been fun.
stop being a south jerz fan....you are better than this
I never expected them to make a serious run with a buncha AAA slappy's.
However watching them choke still pisses me off. And it only stokes my anger towards THE GREATEST GM EVER JUST ASK HIM
i am not and never was. but fun things are fun things and im not gonna sit there and root against kevin frandsen and the boys! go get em guys only 8 back!
nothing that is happening now should make anyone mad....what should make everyone seethe tho is the fact that with by far the greatest team they will ever have they won exactly one title
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igy = this dude*
*=not as good looking
i cant imagine anyone except thawk and possibly reese will know who that is.....i certainly dont
well first off its tim mcgraw, son of tug and famous country music singer
second he played an angry bitter drunk who was never happy and never pleased by anything his son or his team did in the friday night lights movie. now you dont have kid (thank you lord) but yea. you suck.
my phillies email update i just got
"hamels strong in loss"
farging kill yourselves
Yeah the sad thing is somewhere someone read that and agreed with it and felt no anger at all. Probably logged on an bought season tix too.
Ruben Amaro...this is your legacy. Take a well built team and completely farg it in the ass.
I read a Simmons column today and he had the term "hate watch" in there with a footnote about Phillies fans knowing what he meant. And goddammit he's right.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2012, 12:42:14 AM
I read a Simmons column today and he had the term "hate watch" in there with a footnote about Phillies fans knowing what he meant. And goddammit he's right.
what does this mean
you of all people should know what hate watching is
hidden amongst all this nonsense is a pos redneck closer who might be the most overpaid player on a team filled with gazillionaires
my god do i hate him
anytime you can spend 50 million dollars on a guy who pitches 70 innings a year, its something you gotta do
I wanted to blame Horst for all this as he allowed the two base runners on before the $50 MM mistake was handed the ball and they rushed him out there but that farging country bumpkin is a complete disaster. Boston couldn't wait to get rid of this prick and Heir Smugweiler couldn't wait to sign the loser.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2012, 12:44:15 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2012, 12:42:14 AM
I read a Simmons column today and he had the term "hate watch" in there with a footnote about Phillies fans knowing what he meant. And goddammit he's right.
what does this mean
Like you should watch something else - but you watch because its your team and they make you hate every second of it...but yet you still watch.
JIMMY THE LOAFING BUM WHO SHOULD BE TRADED AND IS THE WORST PHILLIE EVER just ripped a 3R shot off Cueto.
My fantasy team mourns. Cueto has been clutch all season.
It's fitting that Cloyd took Moyer's number, because he throws about as hard as him. Maybe he can be a Ryan Vogelsong-like success in the majors.
I feel like every HR AAAberry hits is smoked right over the wall. Big John doesn't joke around.
MAAAyberry smokes a frozen rope over the LF wall....4-1...Johnny Paps looks forward to throwing a game losing fastball into Jay Bruce's wheelhouse soon.
PS - Jimmy has 1,999 hits.
Choke needs to learn how to scoop better...he's missed the last three digs he's had to make. Just cost them a baserunner and a good play by Jimmy there because he couldn't make a normal scoop
Cloyd has nice movement on his pitches and locates well. Shame he doesn't have a top level fastball because his command is great. The Maddux comparison has merit but Maddux averaged a 93 mph fastball where as Cloyd tops out at 88-90. His ceiling is probably as a 3 starter but he's probably a career 4 which is fine because teams need that.
or hes brandon duckworth
Just a little bump in the road yesterday, boys. Bandwagon rolling!
realistically if they want to make the playoffs they can probably lose 2 or 3 more games, tops
BELIEVE
Hitch um' up and roll um' out!
Nice job by the JV today.
QuoteMatthew Woolf Anyone who says it is too late or we won't make the wild card- look at the Giants last year. They were in our same situation, but they won the World Series. It's possible, and the Phillies aren't called the Phighting Phillies for nothing. Keep the Phaith! GO PHILIES!
is that you or j?
Except that the Giants were 2 years ago.
Not saying it "can't" happen, but anyone who still firmly believes that this team is making the playoffs is off their god damned rocker.
Quote from: MDS on September 05, 2012, 03:50:33 PM
QuoteMatthew Woolf Anyone who says it is too late or we won't make the wild card- look at the Giants last year. They were in our same situation, but they won the World Series. It's possible, and the Phillies aren't called the Phighting Phillies for nothing. Keep the Phaith! GO PHILIES!
Obviously this kook hasn't seen Papsmear pitch.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2012, 03:56:51 PM
is that you or j?
Connor, Blake and Brody from South Jersey. Long time fans!
Let's show some love people:
Quote
Rollins at 2,000
Jimmy Rollins became the fourth player to reach 2,000 hits with the Phillies but also accomplished another feat of longevity on Tuesday. He is only the fourth player in baseball history to amass at least 2,000 hits, 350 stolen bases and 150 home runs for one team, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.
The other three are Craig Biggio (Houston), Barry Larkin (Cincinnati), and Paul Molitor (Milwaukee).
Jimmy > any Eagle or Flyer in history
1. tocchet
2. hopkins
3. charles
4. moses
5. jimmy
No.
7
Not buying in.
WON'T.
The get some farging gas soon light is on up in this bus.
LETS DO IT
they only have to pass 5 teams and make up 7 games in 3.5 weeks
IN
Frandsen has a stress fracture in his leg
Polanco on DL
Havas now your starting 3B
Bus stuck in neutral.
6.5 back. Could be 5 back by end of day tomorrow.
Bam! Where's MDS...gas it up, bro
brewers stole the thunder
its OVA
and lol @ pg's first post in eons being a semi serious games back update. come on girl you cant be fo real.
The Phillies have to go 20-4 and both St. Louis & the Latin Street Kings have to play a game under .500 the rest of the way.
DOABLE.
Except for the fact I've posted 3 times on here in months. Yet you're on Facebook so you can see I've been postin all along about them. Nice try. You might be a little older, but mentally you're clearly still the same little douchebag you were before I stopped posting as much. Congrats.
Quote from: Rome on September 09, 2012, 06:13:23 AM
The Phillies have to go 20-4 and both St. Louis & the Latin Street Kings have to play a game under .500 the rest of the way.
DOABLE.
lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-hDl6OALv4&feature=related
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 09, 2012, 07:52:31 AM
Except for the fact I've posted 3 times on here in months. Yet you're on Facebook so you can see I've been postin all along about them. Nice try. You might be a little older, but mentally you're clearly still the same little douchebag you were before I stopped posting as much. Congrats.
lol
you are my favorite for a reason
and milwaukee just tied stl in the 9th...pit lost...la gonna lose. HOLLA AT YO BOI
Cards won
lol dont hate on pg!
just 6 back with the other win theylll get today. steven larue at catcher = guarantee win
you are worse than she is
well not really
but you are pretty bad
Darrin Ruf has been called up.
Phils lead 7-4 and the Rockies have made five errors.
Step by step........................
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 09, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
you are worse than she is
well not really
but you are pretty bad
you cant read sarcasm can you
http://www.mcall.com/sports/baseball/phillies/mc-phillies-gamer-rockies-0909-20120909,0,3112154.story
Johnny Paps and Chuck? On the wagon.
Kendrick has been pitching his ass off. Good to see him progress like this.
And props to HOF Brown.
holy shtein weve got haters in the house
pg has taken over controls of the bandwagon but im her co pilot
buccos just lost. cards down @ sd. CAN YOU SAY 5. michael martinez is producing insurance runs by himself. hof brown is getting the big hit. kyle kendrick is an ace. tony b is a light out closer.
booooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm baby
I think I will be going to Friday's game...getting free tickets from one of my vendors.
Me and a couple of guys from work will join the six Astros fans that still go to the games
:paranoid
Quote from: MDS on September 11, 2012, 01:28:01 AM
This truly excites the shtein out if me until I think/see Papelbon.
i just did the math because im a raging homer i guess. or just a glutton for punishment.
unless they plan on bringing everyone on 3 days rest tyler cloyd gets 2 starts in the final week and a half. they could limit that to 1 but then lee would have to work on short rest for the final day of the season...then someone would be on short rest for the break the tie game.
basically if they keep everyone on normal rest theyll have lee on normal rest for a play-in game the thursday after the season or for the actual wild card game with atlanta.
what could go wrong? maybe theyll give him a 4 run lead.
but yea they really should lose tops 1 game this week and will probably be minimum 3 back by sunday. believe it.
Quote from: MDS on September 11, 2012, 02:21:31 AM
what could go wrong? maybe theyll give him a 4 run lead.
POTY!
The fact that these buffoons have managed to get it back to within 1 game of .500 is fairly amazing. I don't see a miracle happening but to think they have even a tiny shot at this is almost impossible to believe.
its more than a tiny shot, old man
when erik kratz is your every day catcher you have A SHOT
Kratz & now Ruf... FEEL THE EXCITEMENT!
Manufacturing? WTF?
When given a four run lead Roy Halladay is 110-0 in his career.
What.
Halladay is getting squeezed by the ump...
Jimmy and Pierre doing it up tonight
I love watching Pierre hit
Horseshtein call!
Pierre takes 3rd with pitcher on the rubber...and they say he has to go back. Mark Wegner is a punk bitch
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 11, 2012, 08:18:58 PM
Halladay is getting squeezed by the ump...
Game time temp under 90 so he'll be ok.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 11, 2012, 08:41:39 PM
Horseshtein call!
Pierre takes 3rd with pitcher on the rubber...and they say he has to go back. Mark Wegner is a punk bitch
Yes, wtf with that? He was at third, I leave the room for 30 seconds and he's back on second.
Stanton is a goddamn beast.
BTW HOF Brown got jobbed at first too.
Not liking these umpires tonight
Pitching wedge bomb from Carlos Stanton.
MDS' boy Mike Mike with another nice hit...what's his average up to now, .104?
haha...Doc with an RBI single.
Lets goooooo
ahahah and the Marlins catcher drops the pop up....
AND THEN JIMMY HAMMERS A BOMB!!!!!
LOVE ME SOME JROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
lolololol watch the catchers reaction when Jimmy goes deep....
beyooootiful
Jroll with the "get the farg out of here" dong.
Nice cushion for the JV bullpen.
This Marlins clown never stops talking. It's incredible.
Hits, good.
The Wave, gay.
Quote from: Rome on September 11, 2012, 09:10:21 PM
This Marlins clown never stops talking. It's incredible.
Watching the Phils broadcast with my pop. I just got through telling him how bad the Marlins announcers are. I may just have to expose him to that mess and switch over right now.
I turn the volume off. I enjoy the quiet after dealing with despicable people from 7:30 to 4:30 every day.
The people doing the wave should be shot. Then stabbed. Then shot again.
The Marlins announcers, along with the Nats, are the most incessant ramblers in the game. Come to think of it...add the Phils in and you have three of the worst booths in all of baseball
the marlins have a bunch of harry kalas' in their booth compared to the phils and nats....its hard to say who is worse btwn those two....id say wheels is the x factor that puts the phillies on a level of awfulness above anyone else
The apex of awful is on the mound right now for the bums. Damn Lindblow is the shteins.
My god...8-3 to 8-6 with two on.
corksuckers....dont farg it up
Get this motherfarging loser off this team NOW!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 11, 2012, 09:38:18 PM
My god...8-3 to 8-6 with two on.
corksuckers....dont farg it up
Just setting up Papsmear for the kill. :paranoid
unfargingreal.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BJ Rosenberg....hold me.
This isn't even farging funny. God farging damnit. Fatblom, the Kraut, well done iceholes.
God bless us for being exposed to this poor excuse of a bullpen.
Send in a farging drone and take um all out.
Another reminder why this team isn't making the playoffs.
Halladay giving up five runs is inexcusable.
Triple A wants this!
Helluva play by MAAAyberry
GET
THE
RUN
IN
come on jimmmmmmmmmmmmy
Stanton with the worst throw in his life!
Did Ozzie really walk Fransden to pitch to Utley?
Damn!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 11, 2012, 10:09:02 PM
Did Ozzie really walk Fransden to pitch to Utley?
Thank you! What the hell was that?
Mark Wegner sucks.
Choke has left more people on base than live in some towns.
Aaaaand here come the Marlins. GO AWAY FISH! YOU SUCK
Worked out for Ozzie. He should have walked both Fransden and grit to get to the Choke Master.
Aumont is NASTY
WOWOOWOW
Jose got a little pissy there.
Seeing Reyes blow up like that is priceless.
Here come Don's buddy.
Beyooooootiful.
Nice game.
KEEP IT GOING
Padres leading the Cards...3-2
Make that 5-2 Pads....yessss
Nice finish by paps tonight. He needed that.
Padres us 6-4 bottom 8th. My God, what's wrong with me? I'm scoreboard watching.
FOUR GAMES OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
bandwagon driver/ceo - pg
co-bandwagon president - mds
co-pilot/spirit coach - J
Seat No. 1 occupier - don
team chaplain - geo
jerkass hater not welcome - havas
For anyone scoreboard watching, I think you have to root for LA to take 3/4 from STL this week. The Dodgers schedule is brutal the rest of the way. STL after the Dodgers series plays 9 in a row versus Houston/Chicago, and will catch Cin/Wash when they likely have nothing to play for.
Josh Johnson has the bums by the balls right now. Phils can't do shtein against him. Philbert not pitching to bad himself.
Two errors in a row.
Awesome.
Nice zesty defense there. Horrible throw to Grit by Lee.
farg! Of course those two errors come right back and bite them in the ass. shtein!
Choke = Awful
Triple A loves J! Nice.
Choke best step his game up.
jimmy the god
The Almighty!
Motherfarging Jimmmyyyyy!!
Yeah!!
All the people who want him gone or shtein talk the not running ..Get the farg outta here!
jimmy >>>>> GRIT
Entire roster >>>>>>>Choke
Let's go you farging cajun hillbilly!
Paps was nasty in relief
I am loving this.
Go Padres!
1-0 Pads!
Settle down all of you.
:paranoid
Pads lead 3-2 in the 9th and they just allowed the Cards to get a lead off double.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2012, 08:44:00 PM
Pads lead 3-2 in the 9th and they just allowed the Cards to get a lead off double.
2 outs, Beltran batting.
THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GAMESSSSSSSSSSSSSS OUTTTTTTTTTTT!!
Padres win!
The Phils are just preparing us for the nutkick. Maximum pain and suffering.
Scoreboard watching is going to kill me.
So is everything alright now that Howard and Utley are back?
Quote from: SD on September 12, 2012, 09:46:22 PM
So is everything alright now that pitching is back?
phillies scored more runs in june than august but went 9-19 in June and 17-12 in August. They started to pitch well the last two months.
They're at least making September interesting. Who thought that would happen in July?
Better bullpen pitching (namely the guys in the 8th; Tony B and Aumont now)
Timely hits
Kendrick's last several starts
Get Halladay halfway back to normal and hope Utley and Choke turn it up and its gonna be even better
a lot of luck too
they fell ass backwards into wins, definitely stopped giving a shtein and have benefited from the cards, doyers and pirates all choking. all of a sudden they are in it and now its ON
i mean seriously st louis should be 10 games up on them but here we are. farg you la russa.
and the diamondbacks take the lead. so if the dodgers lose tonight, all three teams ahead of them will have just been swept while the Phillies swept Miami right? Crazy.
need the brewers to start losing. rooting for LA to take 3/4 vs STL.
the make or break series is cards @ cubs
if the cubs show up and take 2/3 that could do it. if they lay down and stl sweeps that might be enough.
im not even bothering looking up la or pit they are both jokes. brewers are awful on the road, so you have to figure that pit-dc-cinci stretch will end them.
phillies basically can lose 1 game between now and the braves series next friday. maybe that night is tonight. next cloyd start hes facing the mets and something called mchugh.
imagine where they would be if they had a legitimate bullpen.
it's a shame rube farged them on that front this year.
hopefully aumont can be the next in a long line of prospects who come up and blow the doors off of teams during a post season run
Is anyone on this team besides Chooch hitting above .255? Gross.
i'm not sure what i'm supposed to hope happens in the LA-STL series. a 2-2 split is the best outcome for the Phils, right?
3/1 LA I think. Dodgers schedule is way harder than STL.
root for the dodgers but for a different reason imo...you cant really look at the schedule in baseball like you could in football....certainly not with 20 games left...also there are so many teams in the mix here that you should really only concentrate on the team who currently holds the wild card spot you are going for
always root against the team with the best record to lose as that is the only number you care about and then take care of your own bidness
exactly, root for the dodgers and if they win two they are in the lead, then root for STL. same shtein.
los doyers are an afterthought though
cards have a chance to right the ship. doyers and shteintsburgh are finished. so it wouldnt be awful if doyers delayed the cardinals possible resurgence a few more days before they themselves drifted off into the smog filled mexican night.
astros:
30th in runs
29th in ops
28th in obp
28th in fielding %
29th in wild pitches
27th in era
29th in whip
30th in save %
So... Astros sweep?
Dude pitching tonight is pretty good especially at home (2nd best home ERA in NL) against Cloyd on short rest. If they win tonight I think they sweep.
they are winning the next 3, it comes down to tonight
need this pos lineup to put up a 10 spot
J Roll just stole his 400th career base.
To bad they can't put this pile of shtein team away.
WOW! Kratz! Great throw from his kness to Grit, runner out!
zesty outing for Aumont. Kratz bailed his ass out, so far.
Diekman...jesus christ.
Jesus farging christ.
that's what farging happens when you leave 900 people on base and walk 3 people in an inning. god damnit
blowing a 4-0 lead to houston tonight is going to be devastating for their chances.
11 men left on base so far tonight.
Guess they still own the bums ass.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2012, 11:20:07 PM
Diekman...jesus christ.
I second that. Quoting wheels on the bullpen "They cracked a little here tonight".
Nice to the bums are back.
Yeah this is a pretty disgusting loss. Good to see CHOKE eat the goddamn ball on the pickoff while Altuve runs to second.
BOO! farg you Diekman.
Charlie worried they're not scoring enough? Welcome to reality Chuck.
You mean to tell me that HOF cannot beat out a motherfarging 3-6-1 DP?!?!?
MOVE YOUR ASS, fargR!
Inexcusable loss. Cocks.
What a joke losing to this high school summer ball team.
1. pos utley
leave 400 more people on you worthless finished loser
2. diekman
lol
3. charlie
not easy now that you dont have romero, madson and lidge. asking this doofus to manage his way through the game is impossible.
with that said they were probably losing anyway. win the next 5 before cloyds next start or else its over.
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2012, 11:38:39 PM
with that said they were probably losing anyway. win the next 6 before cloyds next start or else its over.
I was thinking the same thing, do whatever the farg you can to win before Cloyd's next start.
QuoteT @caseyfeeney66: My unofficial count from 8/31-tonight: Utley/Howard are 1-19 w 2 BB & zero extra-base hits vs LH relievers.
Bravo! $200M invested and these fargin guys are flailing away like six yr olds in coach pitch.
Lastros haven't won a game ALL SEASON when they trailed by 4+.
must win 3 in a row and hope los doyers win a farging game. farging barrio fans.
Predictable. Welcome to 1994-2006.
YES rome's woe is me act is back...igy is dooming and glooming....J is losing his mind
baseball is here again!
astros have exactly one two game winning streak in the last three and a half months
unbelievable number
all the pressure tonight is on the phillies
not really, its on cole
this lineup features exactly 0 players that you would classify as "good." they are at best scoring 4 runs a game for here on out. which is why the supposed ace and money man needs to take care of bidniss.
if they do what they are supposed to do and take the next 3, then take 2/3 from the loser mets they should be minimum 2 out by next fridays home series with atl.
im not talking about them making the playoffs...thats over with
im talking about as a team....losing back to back to the astros would make The Sweep in 2005 seem like a productive series
these farging phillie fans on wip are making me as sick as ive been in a long time
one of the friday five questions is would you take an eagles superbowl win this year BUT the phillies will suck for the next five years...so far no one has picked eagles superbowl
i dont know whats making me more angry...the fact they would pass on a guaranteed championship for a city team or the fact that they think the phillies are going to win a world series in the next five years
farg yourselves
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2012, 02:57:34 PM
these farging phillie fans on wip are making me as sick as ive been in a long time
one of the friday five questions is would you take an eagles superbowl win this year BUT the phillies will suck for the next five years...so far no one has picked eagles superbowl
i dont know whats making me more angry...the fact they would pass on a guaranteed championship for a city team or the fact that they think the phillies are going to win a world series in the next five years
farg yourselves
What?! WE just won a Series in 2008. And as big of a Phillie fan that I am its a no goddamn brainer that you take the farging guaranteed Super Bowl victory.
farging idiots.
I would gladly trade all of your lives for an Eagles SB.
I'm as big a Phillies fan as you'll find and I'd take that deal every day of the week. I hope to live to see one farging Eagles Bowl victory.
I'm 12 rows behind home plate right now. Watching Phils take BP.
Darin Ruf put on an impressive display.
tell charlie to not use jake diekman in a huge spot in the 8th inning k thx bye
I did.
And Brown loafs it down the line a hundred times worse than Rollins. Where is the outrage?!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
I did.
And Brown loafs it down the line a hundred times worse than Rollins. Where is the outrage?!
It's because Jimmy's black
how power inept is HOF.....its so painful
HOF is a hall of fame slacker. Two loafs so far.
This stadium is empty ... Like watching in a warehouse
hes HOF when it comes to grounding out to second
Eat a cock Heidi!!
I gotta find the beer man.
why is juanny running with no outs and the middle of the lineup coming up...jesus christ
come on chooch you overrated pos
nice....a little stretch out here
Motherfarging Hamels!
Good thing about that homer? Off the chik fil a fowl pole. Free chicken sandwich.
dont forget to get extra bigot sauce
under the microscope - dodgers cardinals tonight
under the radar - mets pounding the brewers tonight
The Dodgers are a goddamn joke. farging 4-1 Cards
cards will win until the ghost of larussa is no longer there and that is probably another year or two away
CB Bucknor heard me ripping him and he turned around to acknowledge my taunts. My life is complete
QuoteJohn Mayberry Jr #'s since Victorino & Pence were traded; .303ba 6hr 21rbi in 38gms
Los Doyers broke out of the slump and won.
Phillies THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BACK (again)
[plus it capped a four teamer parlay]
if they take the next two this weekend, and STL/LA split, PHI is 1 back of LA/2 of STL. And then STL heads to Houston/Chi for 9.
Much prefer LA to take the next 2, have STL in a tailspin heading into those series and have PHI 2 back of LA and 1 back of STL while LA heads to Washington for a series.
kendrick kendrick kendrick kendrick
(http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/files/2012/07/KyleKendrick.jpg)
los doyers have a real good chance to win next 2
mission's own jaime garcia sucks mexican barrio trash on the road and he pitches saturday (of course he opposes the one and only joe blanton). then cy kershaw pitches sunday.
then los doyers go on a washington/cinci/sd roadtrip that should end them. plus they get SF in the final 3 games of the season.
what it really comes down to is matching st louis during its 9 easy game stretch of houston/chicago/houston. if they can remain 1 game back with 6 to go, that would be splendid.
Too bad he can't come up with the winning powerball numbers ahead of time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2012, 09:20:33 PM
how power inept is HOF.....its so painful
lol another good call
please dont be that sports guy who waits for something that never happens to happen and then talks about it
thats romey and geo but its a terrible look for you
amateur hour
reminds me of a couple years ago when some caller on wip rang the phone up after assante samuels hit on derek hagan and told everyone that ever said he couldnt tackle was wrong
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2012, 02:12:22 PM
please dont be that sports guy who waits for something that never happens to happen and then talks about it
thats romey and geo but its a terrible look for you
amateur hour
reminds me of a couple years ago when some caller on wip rang the phone up after assante samuels hit on derek hagan and told everyone that ever said he couldnt tackle was wrong
We know you love being the center of attention, sweetheart. :-*
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2012, 02:12:22 PM
yada...
you literally posted that about 30 seconds before he crushed one into the second deck.
it's funny and you know it. don't be a twat.
jesus farging christ MLB and their black out rules need to go away
The game is not on any Houston TV channels here today. But its farging blacked out on EI.
farg you, Bud Selig
So much for Kershaw helping the cause. Torn labrum. Done.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 15, 2012, 07:17:48 PM
So much for Kershaw helping the cause. Torn labrum. Done.
Wow
Maybe its better that I cannot see it?
left them loaded in the first and now KK gives up a 2R homer
all the fssw/fsh channels are showing football, so they didnt even bother showing the astros
good thing is we wont get to see their season end tonight.
Kendrick is getting worked by the pitcher with the bases loaded and no outs.
Kendrick late getting over to cover and it costs them a goddamn run.
GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME, icehole
Kendricks picking a hell of a time to come back to eart
Howard and Utley = killing the lineup.
They're facing some shteinballing icehole who should be delivering pizzas and they cannot touch the farging guy.
WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPP
bases left loaded for the second time
this farging clown cannot throw strikes and they're hackin away
8 farging runners left on base
you do realize kevin frandsen is hitting second
this isnt last season in the playoffs. you have house money.
I don't give a rip. The Astros are awful and they're taking it to the Phillies.
If you're surprised by this you should consider getting some help as soon as possible.
Choke pull happy again and a weak grounder...again.
these dopes are wearing out a dirt track from home to second.
Goddamnit! Choke is just awful.
a 6-4-3 DP
this pitcher has as many balls as strikes....farging awful, Phillies.
LA is percolating and slowly losing his mind...he's gonna explode soon.
this is goddamn ridiculous...really?!?! A pop up and no one catches it?!?!?!?!
farg YOUR MOTHERS
And another error on Frandsen.
LA "its tough to tell which of these teams has 99 losses"
Well farg us! The Houston farging Astros. Gutless Hoydas.
Thankfully I'm distracted by the USC/Stanford and the Notre Dame/MSU games.
Good work you pieces of horse shtein!
Houston always ends their seasons. Whether the Astros are good or bad they own the Phillies.
5-0
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
farg YOU fargING GUTLESS iceholeS
farg all of them. They all suck.
I turned the radio off.
I can't take it.
lol
J, is it to late to for you to head over to the game with a weapon of mass destruction in tow?
Nope...I am about 20 minutes away.
I should go and hang around by the team buses and throw eggs at them. Or wait in the hotel lobby to explain in a nice calm and reasonable voice how zesty they are
WAY TO STEP IT UP LOSERS!
farging choking dogs
Shocking, 12 men LOB today.
Los Doyers bailed the Phils out.
3gms out with 16 to play
no matter what they cant gain on sunday
losing either thursday or tonight will kill them. should be 2 back now. whatever. ive watched four games in the past 2 months and three of those were this week so what the farg do i care.
Got home about 9pm last night. Turned on the game to check the score. Saw the score, turned it off.
Better than blood pressure medication for me...
Hallolololday?
112 pitches in 6 innings. Whats today's excuse? Air conditioning?
lolololol losing now
hahahahahaha losing 7-4 now
unfargingreal.
Good job against the Astros, jerkoffs
Are you kidding? I stopped checking after all the excitement.
Our bus is stalled on a railroad track.
lol who gives a shtein
tennis plans ON tomorrow
hold the phones...life at the end of the tunnel
this AAA game is turning interesting
killed by Nix and shteinholtz
well here we go
season on the line...top of the order up...this is what its all about. not really. but LETS DO IT
good start Jimmy
Good job Jimmy to tag on that...Kratz just missed. Damn!
Ok....multi million dollar men up now.
Whatcha got GRIT AND CHOKE
lol its on utley and choke
set the time machine to 2007 please
Grit...good job. OLD YELLER HIS ASS
IBB to Choke
CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH do your thing
haha i was gonna make the same joke
i cant wait for him to play 3rd next year. hollllllllllllllllllllly shtein
now its up to chooch. on one leg. great.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
solid farging job, Phillies. You all deserve to be castrated and set ablaze.
DIE
get within 3, lose 3/4 to the mcallen thunder
good job guys
yeah - one of the bigger choke jobs in team history and that is saying something
worse its more proof of how awful they are going to be the next few years
halladone, utley, howard, lee blowing up after 90 pitches. chooch cant stay healthy. jimmy is hitting .250 and thats with him turning it on the last month.
bar. bar. o.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 16, 2012, 05:24:30 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
solid farging job, Phillies. You all deserve to be castrated and set ablaze.
DIE
Almost posted this exact same thing.
QuoteAstros manager Tony DeFrancesco offers his brutally honest opinion of Ryan Howard:
DeFrancesco twice intentionally walked Utley to face Howard:
"Howard, for me, was struggling the first couple days and wasn't even getting a good swing," DeFrancesco said, "and if I was going to have somebody beat me it was going to be Howard."
Struggling the first couple of days? Try since he returned.
Mets will sweep their ass.
try since 2009
i cant stress it enough how horrible they are going to be for the next 4 years. my god is it going to be bad.
One more year of Charlie and the Sandberg era begins. Unfortunately the Choke era will be haunting us for sometime.
i cant stress enough how bad of fans you all are
drunk havas off a killer eagles win = colossal douche
Quote from: Don Ho on September 16, 2012, 06:49:57 PM
Unfortunately the Choke era will be haunting us for sometime.
the choke era who won them a world series?
or you mean the cliff lee era?
I mean the era of that contract of his.
Cliff Lee era ended during game 2 in last years NLDS just after he was spotted a 4 run lead.
HOF Brown is my new favorite Phillie.
Sincerly,
Homer Ho
click over to Phillies during MNF commercial...see Choke GIDP
Ahhh the good times
Quote from: Don Ho on September 17, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
HOF Brown is my new favorite Phillie.
Sincerly,
Homer Ho
Nah, we just found out that his swing is the perfect speed for the knuckleball.
3.5 out
if they collapse at houston it would be 1.5
farg you farg you
don't look back - the disgust of the Houston series will drive ya insane.
im barely looking as it is
i just went them to go away so i can stop remotely paying attention
I've watched a total of about five innings in the last five games. Haven't missed much...
Yesterday was the first time I didn't watch any part of the game in months. Just didn't feel up to it.
I couldn't see it on Saturday, watched about 8 minutes yesterday and about 10 minutes tonight.
so basically pg is running the empty bandwagon with her soccer mom friends from cherry hill?
Quote from: Rome on September 17, 2012, 10:38:10 PM
Yesterday was the first time I didn't watch any part of the game in months. Just didn't feel up to it.
Turned it on, saw the score, turned it off. Turned it back on after the Eagles game finished Wasn't much left at that point.
Quote from: MDS on September 17, 2012, 10:50:15 PM
so basically pg is running the empty bandwagon with her soccer mom friends from cherry hill?
Great, so our bus is now a farging Honda Odyssey.
Kind of a confluence of several thing for me.
1. I can't seem to run the Sunday Ticket on my PS3 and the Phils feed on my computer at the same time. Get major lag issues.
2. Had several evenings with other events.
3. And, yeah, the Phils were losing to the Astros 3 out of 4. Not exactly making me want to bust ass to watch.
I'm on until it crashes.
me and pg...farging thelma and louise ending
I'm halfway out the emergency exit
it crashed last year in game 5 of the nlds
right now its limping along the desert road, by itself, with 2 wheels and a blown out engine. edges from the cliff. get off people. get off before you die.
Postponed!
The game or the bus crash?
... yes?
Jimmy with another leadoff jack.
The man is possesed. Then you have Grit and Choke.
They're possessed by The Ghost of Marlon Anderson and Travis Lee.
By the way - Atlanta comes to town this weekend and I swear to all things holy they better NOT have any stupid farging ceremony for Chipper Jones. I am sick of reading about this retirement tour where all visiting cities cheer him and teams present him with shtein. The only that that farging guy should get this weekend are BOOs.
Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber are talking about the Phils setting up their rotation for a possible wild card matchup...
:-D
I am listening to the Mets feed...so refreshing and had a great interview with Phil Neikro in game.
Scott Hairston! Cue the clip of Franzke pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee
The only goddamn hit they have is Jimmy's leadoff homer.
Pitchers duel...hopefully Hamels can go all 9
Well...sadly that might be enough to win it for the Mets.
HR for Wright
Hmmmmm...and Hamels beans Hairston afterwards
Utley and Howard are farging brutal
It's never a good sign when Jay is posting updates.
:-D
Holy farging shtein!
Did no one just see that?
Nice comeback. Too bad we couldn't have had more of this this season. They may have had a real shot at the playoffs.
Wow...completely unexpected!
I fell asleep. I watched that game for eight innings and fell asleep.
God hates me.
Same here. I woke up with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th and had to rewind the thing.
lol @ choke hitting a hr off some AAA pitcher and everyone getting excited
pathetic
Yeah, we all sounded super excited! :crazy
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2012, 02:12:31 AM
lol @ choke hitting a hr off some AAA pitcher and everyone getting excited
pathetic
I must have missed where you decided to take your special brand of snark off the PG Express.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 20, 2012, 06:35:44 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2012, 02:12:31 AM
lol @ choke hitting a hr off some AAA pitcher and everyone getting excited
pathetic
I must have missed where you decided to take your special brand of snark off the PG Express.
the word would be fraud...at least pg is true to her heart...a sickening homer...but at least legit...the lil guy is the mitt romney of philly sports fans
Oh snap!
Quote from: DH on September 20, 2012, 09:07:07 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 19, 2012, 10:37:51 PM
Wow...completely unexpected!
Not if you're me or Feva.
lol - Edgin ruined a good Harvey start.
Don't worry - Cloyd is pitching today...I don't have much faith in him right now
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2012, 02:12:31 AM
lol @ choke hitting a hr off some AAA pitcher and everyone getting excited
pathetic
Have you ever been diagnosed for schizophrenia?
im being a total hipster with the phils now
when its fashionable to be OUT, im OUT. when no else is IN, im IN. i want to be cool and ahead of the curve and right now i sense people are still sleeping in their red PJs.
you didn't have to explain that you don't have real opinions and you only react based on others, we all knew that
if i were reacting based on others id be jumping for joy when choke hit some meaningless homer off whats his face from the wilmington blue rocks.
but since its all a competition to see who the bestest fan is i guess bla bla bla bla FF wins. congrats, buddy.
you just said when everyone's out, you are in. that is reacting based on others. derrrrrrr
Texans...
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2012, 02:03:45 PM
you just said when everyone's out, you are in. that is reacting based on others. derrrrrrr
your biggest mistake was taking this act seriously, brady
no, my biggest mistake was taking you off of ignore, horrible decision
you can be mean or you can simply admit you love me. truth be good.
There'll be enough "mean" around here tonight when Cloyd takes the mound.
and when Grtimeister & Chokenator go 0-8, 3 K, 8 LOB.
J Roll hotter than shtein right now. 2 hits in first inning, 7-0 bums top 1. Let's see how Cloyd does with a huge cushion.
9 singles in the first inning! Damn assembly line.
Best part about this is I can focus on Thursday night football
Quote from: Don Ho on September 20, 2012, 07:46:46 PM
9 singles in the first inning! Damn assembly line.
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Quote from: Don Ho on September 20, 2012, 02:59:24 PM
and when Grtimeister & Chokenator go 0-8, 3 K, 8 LOB.
like I was saying........................
So I get into the truck after softball and see 16-1...where were these farging runs against the little sisters of the poor, Astros?!
And of course Larussa nation sweeps the Asshoes.
such a joke
they should be 2 out now. 2. farg you funholes. the astros. farg
The bus driver is a cranky bitch today.
He's also nauseatingly positive.
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HA! :-D
The fact that he was not booed in the pregame ceremony makes me sad. And mad.
Soft batch fans down the park.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2012, 07:14:59 PM
The fact that he was not hit with a D-cell in the pregame ceremony makes me sad. And mad.
Soft batch fans down the park.
Juan Pierre...on fire.
Kendrick gives one back and then gets bailed out by Uggla on a horrible base running error
KK averts major implosion.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2012, 07:29:04 PM
Juan Pierre...on fire.
No problem with him coming back next year.
Me either - I like Pierre
Frandsen goes yard
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2012, 07:14:59 PM
The fact that he was not booed in the pregame ceremony makes me sad. And mad.
Soft batch fans down the park.
everyone in this thread is one of them
Um, no. I would have booed him loudly.
Choke and Chooch with back to back shots off HOF Hanson.
Choke + Chooch + Bact to Back = HOLY farg
farg YOU CHIPPER !
GET THE farg OUT OF HERE!
GOOFY LOOKING MOTHER fargER!
GO farg YOURSELF YOU SOUTHERN BITCH!
See, we're not soft.
A stupid farging FOX game tomorrow....and we are getting Los Doyers-Reds....another goddamn missed game.
farging corksucking MLB
you really care about this train wreck of a team tomorrow with a plethora of cfb all up in your area?
i wont miss a beat
I like to be able to flip over and see a bit...CFB will dominate the TV tho
Plethora of singles last night - solo homers tonight.
A GRITTY shot there. And the Chipper Jones cheerers applaud loudly.
chipper deserves more cheers than the bedwetter got
Pathological hate shining through!
Nats Clippard gives up the lead...Brewers tied it up
Brewers win and Dodgers just took the lead.
Thank you, Nats & Reds!
Quote@RobMaaddi: Since trading Victorino & Pence, #Phillies are 32-17 & have gained 10 games in wild-card standings
And everyone else got healthy.
#omgmiracle
watching smug sit on his ass this offseason because he thinks he has a good team is going to be funny
He won't sit on his ass...he will sign a couple of ham and egger relievers and then tell us all how great they are and how smart he is
We are in Eagles year 2007 with these shteinheads.
The only difference is they caught lightning in 2008.
They are farged. Forever.
lol what a joke
im firing up the illegal feed tomorrow
3 is within the margin of error
margin of error thats an interesting phrase
Post the illegal link when you find it.
So I put WIP on this morning and what's the first call I hear?!
"I'm sick and tired of Ruben Amaro getting ripped on the radio when the fault is on that idiot in the dugout"
lololol ignorant icehole
Cubs take the lead....hold this bitch!
stupid farging series in Houston last weekend still stings
I get the game today... Flipping back and forth between Temple/PSU for maximum excitement!
Quote from: igy on September 22, 2012, 03:24:32 PM
I get the game today... Flipping back and forth between Temple/PSU and oregon st/ucla for maximum excitement!
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2012, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: igy on September 22, 2012, 03:24:32 PM
I get the game today... Flipping back and forth between Temple/PSU and oregon st/ucla for maximum excitement!
I will be listening and wearing out the remote on CFB
hey chicago what do you say?
milwaukee also getting trucked. doc on the mound today. try pitching well for once you flag.
lol
kill Halladay...what a choke job. Good job, ACE
on an 0-2 count too...farging choking bitch.
now watch CHI come back to win...just to drive the knife in deeper.
farg YOU DOC
kendrick > doc
was looking forward to turning on the game for a refreshing national prespective and whos doing pbp?
douchebag mcarthy
farg tom mccarthy - I bet he shot a load when he called the homer.
he was hallaDONE in may, think how bad he is now
should have traded him when they had the chance
Tyler Cloyd > Hallafargingbum
are you just now realizing that hes been finished?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 22, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
Tyler Cloyd > Hallafargingbum
How sad yet how true.
We are watching the quick demise of Doc before our eyes. Lee can have some awful outings but then he comes back with a month of "farg you if you think I'm done" ball. The confidence level with Halladay is at an all time low.
LA just said "Doc just doesn't look right today". So this is breaking news?
Bases clearing double. Doc done. 1 2/3 innings. Let me guess as we're blacked out here, homers giving him a standing ovation as he walks to the showers?
doc was already out....horst gave up the double
Holy shtein what a meltdown.
Unfortunately I did hear the double by His Royal Highness Chipper.
cards win, phils lose
goodnight, irene
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farg Roy Halladay. Way to step up, funhole.
Once again...a big hearty farg you to His Highness, Roy Halladay.
Settle down you.
lol I'm glad Bud's stupid blackout rule prevented me from seeing that trash
I watched the first two innings then flipped on West Ham/Sunderland.
I win.
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Hope that was erasable ink.
id like to erase their lives
That also crossed my mind. The 5 minute, drawn up on the hood of the car in the stadium parking lot, gay ass sign deserves a beating. Any adult who makes a sign should have their genitals removed.
Saw that pic on facebook yesterday. Not sure which is worse.....the misspelling of Phillies or the awful attempt at drawing the 70s/80s style P.
Lee must be pitching - the Phils have one run and two hits.
Under the radar today, the Phils offense was deader than the Eagles offense.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 23, 2012, 07:07:33 PM
Under the radar today, the Phils offense was deader than the Eagles offense.
the phillies suck....they arent under anything....they dont exist
come on man
we can still do this! the phork isnt stuck in our backs yet!
It was a Sunday Brunch Buffet today, phorkes stuck in both bums and birds. Mmmmmm, scrumptious.
That's right, farg 2012. 2013, LET'S DO THIS!
QuoteAn outline for the 2013 Phillies appears to be in place.
Listen to manager Charlie Manuel, and you can envision a team with Chase Utley at third base, Freddy Galvis at second base, a big-ticket free agent playing center field, and at least one quality free-agent addition to the bullpen.
I see...................................81 wins.
I bet they will sign Bourn
nothing could be smarter than signing another left handed hitter on the other side of 30 whose biggest asset is speed, something that goes down every single day you get older. nothing.
they also want cody ross, who is cody ross. yes, the same cody ross who was cut by the marlins, had 1 good game, and then was not wanted back by the giants after the following year. that cody ross.
amaro.
im calling it right now i want the melk man. he can bring his steroids.
You used up all your calls last season when begging for Coco Crisp, sir.
coco is a much better version of juan pierre, who sucks, who you love
there
Pierre is better.
explain, and im going to force you to factor in pierres cannon for an arm and the fact that its difficult to justify a slap hitting platoon player as a corner of
Pierre is a better hitter, IMO. While Coco hits for more power, Pierre is more consistent. Juanny is more durable too.
His arm is a wet noodle but I'll take his plate approach over arm strength
coco 10 hr, 35 sb, .318 obp, 430 ab
pierre 1 hr, 35 sb, .356 obp, 383 ab
i dont have any defensive numbers but juan gets an F while coco is probably a B. crisp can also be cf and that allows you to play better offensive players in the corner of spots.
basically they are the same player (juan a little better offensively) and a world apart in the field. considering the runs pierre costs them in the field and the fact that they produce about the same amount of runs...crisp is better but the truth is the both of them suck.
So who is the big money CF next yr?
B.J. Upton
HOF RUF!
Pierre sucks but they got more out of him this year than they had any right to expect. PASS on expecting that to be duplicated next year.
oh so all those slap hits and bloops might not magically find open spaces?
uh noooo. batting average begs to differ.
cardinals have won 8 of 9
hopefully this will shut you all up and stop you from bringing up the astros series as being the worst thing of all time....like they ever had a chance at the playoffs no matter what they did in that series
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 24, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
So who is the big money CF next yr?
Hamilton. $150M and lots of Jesus stuff and coke
and a couple tities...
gotta have something to do the yay on
no one
ruf - mayberry - brown
world series
Kendrick off to a nice start.
Choke up with the bases loaded. Lannan beaned him in his first AB
I want him to yank a granny here and pimp the shtein outta it
lololol and he strikes out - chased the slider...shocking (and missed a hanger...shocking)
Can't tell if they're booing or Chooching
Howard is cooked. Sit him for the rest of the year. The end.
Also - Phils are inching closer. 5-4 w/men on 1st & 3rd with two out in the eighth.
Good to see Frandsen pissed off after that K. Last player that remotely gives a shtein.
Quote from: Rome on September 26, 2012, 09:47:31 PM
Howard is cooked. Sit him for the rest of the year. The end.
It's to the point it's just outright embarrassing. He hits two bombs last week after going 0 - 9,000 and all is well. HA!
farging Werth getting crucified by the crowd behind the dugout for not tossing a foul ball to the crowd.
do you people have nothing better to do?
and this is coming from someone who generally has nothing better to do
We really don't.
the point is hes a character not an announcer....hes like a coatsey....and id take someone like that all day long before i took a wheels or mcarthy
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2012, 02:41:53 AM
do you people have nothing better to do?
and this is coming from someone who generally has nothing better to do
Are we not supposed to talk about the Phillies now in the Phillies thread.
talk about 2013
nothing that happens on the field is remotely interesting
How about you stop posting about them entirely instead?
or you could ignore everything about darin ruff and erik kratz
that be great
Babe Ruf just cleard the bases with a first inning double. I smell the future! (and it smells like shtein).
BOO!
a couple of numbers...
cliff lee has 2101 strikes and 875 balls on the year
phillie sp have 20 more ip 27 more k and 17 fewer bb than the next closest staff in the majors
shtein bullpen, light hitting lineup = 1 game under .500 with five to play.
Nice job, Ruben. You took a WFC and turned into this farging slop.
they havent been wfc since 2008
its 2012
get. real. homers.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2012, 02:37:37 PM
they havent been wfc since 2008
its 2012
get. real. homers.
They were wfc in 2008 then rube took over in 2009 dipshtein
he took over a team on their way down and tried everything he could to win on the descent
criticize him for that but then you must retroactively denounce your cliff lee, roy halladay, roy oswalt and hunter pence boners.
im pretty sure if he kept all those prospects and they won 83 games each year youd have lost your mind 2 years ago. the fact of the matter was they should have done more in 2006 and 2007 when utley and howard were actually good. they waited until 2010 and 2011 when everyone was on the wrong side of 30.
Howard broke one of his big toes when he dropped that pipe he takes practice swings with on it Thursday while on deck.
2012 :-D
It really was the end of the world... for Phils fans.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2012, 06:14:17 PM
It really was the end of the world... for Phils fans.
farg phil fans
I am not watching but see that Acey McAcerson gave up 3 in the first.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Howards-injury-the-latest-freak-Phillies-injury.html
Sure glad they didn't shut down Doc.
Nice start from Cole today. Who cares, though, right Todd!?!
do you care
So, basically Vick's wearing a bullet-proof vest. Too bad they couldn't make it interception-proof.
^ Real talk. ^
Quote@ryanlawrence21: Just heard a celebratory "Wooooooooo!" in the pressbox when the Nats turned that double play. In. The. Pressbox.
Let's see if the Island of Misfit Toys can get the spoiler role down.
Braves about to lose so it won't mean shtein.
QuoteManuel was less than pleased.
"Yeah it made me mad," he said. "Yes it did. Very much so. I'm a bad loser. Nobody should be a good loser. I'm a bad loser and always will be."
The manager used this strange moment as an opportunity to rant.
"Hell, I've been mad for three or four weeks," Manuel said. "It just hasn't really been coming out. We have to play much better. We have to play smarter. We have to know the game better. We have to play better defense. We have to have more knowledge of the game."
For one night, they were almost pristine. Kendrick was stellar in seven scoreless innings. He finished 2012 with a 3.90 ERA, a career-high 6.6 strikeout-per-nine inning rate and solidified a spot in next season's rotation.
"He's in there," Manuel said. "Unless we get [David] Price or someone like that."
Angry Chuck
he also has to manage better
but an old stubborn hick aint ever gonna admit hes ever wrong
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Holy shtein that's funny!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 02, 2012, 01:29:28 AM
QuoteManuel was less than pleased.
"Yeah it made me mad," he said. "Yes it did. Very much so. I'm a bad loser. Nobody should be a good loser. I'm a bad loser and always will be."
The manager used this strange moment as an opportunity to rant.
"Hell, I've been mad for three or four weeks," Manuel said. "It just hasn't really been coming out. We have to play much better. We have to play smarter. We have to know the game better. We have to play better defense. We have to have more knowledge of the game."
For one night, they were almost pristine. Kendrick was stellar in seven scoreless innings. He finished 2012 with a 3.90 ERA, a career-high 6.6 strikeout-per-nine inning rate and solidified a spot in next season's rotation.
"He's in there," Manuel said. "Unless we get [David] Price or someone like that."
Angry Chuck
he better get used to it cause the nats arent going anywhere for a long time
Or they could be hit with grievous injuries next year and slide to .500 or worse.
Nothing is guaranteed.
I'm inclined to agree with igy on this one. Anything can happen regarding injury and whatnot, but the Nationals are set up nicely for a long run. They have a good mix of vets and youth in the lineup, and that young pitching is outstanding.
I'm not disagreeing with him. I'm saying that anything could happen especially if they get hit with the injury bug like the Phillies did this season. Obviously their young talent eclipses the Phillies but the Phillies also have the ability to go out and acquire supplemental talent to fill holes. I mean, does anyone here expect a repeat of Choke, Grit & Polly's 2012 seasons? Does anyone expect Halladay to get hurt or Lee to have such ridiculously bad luck or the bullpen to implode the way they did in the middle of the season?
I'm not saying they'll be the '27 Yankees but the 2013 Phillies will be better than the 2012 version if for no other reason they've ridded themselves of headaches and freed up salary money to go to more productive players next year.
None of this matters, of course, if Howard doesn't recover fully and Utley doesn't start stinging the ball again. The Phillies offense will go as they go. But realistically this team won 80-82 games without almost any production from their 1st, 2nd, & 3rd basemen & their corner outfielders in terms of offense. That has to be better in 2013 almost by default.
How and Utley have been on the downward slide since 2009. It may be slightly better than 2012, but I don't see them playing at an all-star caliber anymore. Utley probably can't be counted on for more than 110-120 games - maximum. And Howard, if his power doesn't return full force, is a huge liability - a .220, 25 HR, 75 RBI Rob Deer albatross.
Lee looked pretty good in the second half. I am worried about Halladay's arm troubles this season. He just never looked close to the same pitcher as in 2010. Maybe an off-season of rest will restore the arm, or maybe he should have just had the surgery. I have a feeling we'll know by the next all-star break.
The bullpen imploded last season, and the bullpen imploded this season. Do you trust Ruben Amaro to fix it? And Papelbon actually had a good season, all protestations aside - a few major blow-ups, but overall a good season.
And on the other side, do you foresee Ruiz batting in the .320s again? As much as I love the guy, he's a catcher on the wrong side of 30.
I'll have to withold judgment until we see what happens over the offseason. But if I see an outfield of Brown-Mayberry-Schierholz, I'm not going to be too optimistic.
theres like a 5% chance the nationals wont be better than the phillies over at least the next five years
so yes anything is possible
gotta remember too the nationals are arguably the best team in the majors...its not like they are just the best team in the divison and won the nl east this year because it was down
also remember they should have some money to spend and could easily get bourn to leadoff and play cf (which makes harper an insanely good lf).
on top of next year they will have a full year of storen and starsburg shouldnt have that gay innings count.
so basically they are really good and are winning the nl east for the foreseeable future
yeah the lerners have more money than they could ever spend
the nats also still have a good farm system even with the prospects that have come up over the last few years....it might even be top ten....whereas phillies are bottom five
and the phillies supposed 2013 success hinges of old people (doc, lee, chooch, choke, utley) miraculously playing like their 25 again. also they are starting freddy galvis at 3rd. meanwhile everyone on the nationals is under 30.
the best thing i can say is im prepared for an 82 win season so if they somehow get that wild card thing then good job fellas.
farg Washington.
IGY & MDS are assuming the Phillies are going with the same lineup of aging stars. They're not. They're going to infuse the lineup with younger talent. Teams with 175 million dollar payrolls don't rebuild; they re-tool, and that's what going to happen here.
In short, pull up your britches and quit your caterwauling about the Phillies are stuck in mediocrity forever because it just ain't true.
what 'younger talent' are they re tooling with?
freddy galvis and domonic brown? darren ruff and sabastian valle?
lol
Speaking of Ruf
Two more homers tonight.
In the last three games against Nats the Phil's have scored 7 runs...all driven in by Ruf.
Who is this Brummlett guy? A ginger with a mullet?!
Oh my God, did you see HOF try to play that ball hit down the line in right?
Bast ardo just keeps getting worse.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 02, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
Howard, if his power doesn't return full force, is a huge liability - a .220, 25 HR, 75 RBI Rob Deer albatross.
Lee looked pretty good in the second half. I am worried about Halladay's arm troubles this season.
The bullpen imploded last season, and the bullpen imploded this season. Do you trust Ruben Amaro to fix it? And Papelbon actually had a good season, all protestations aside - a few major blow-ups, but overall a good season.
And on the other side, do you foresee Ruiz batting in the .320s again? As much as I love the guy, he's a catcher on the wrong side of 30.
All 100% right on. Choke will be lucky to even be a shell of what he was.
Suddenly I'm not so worried about Lee. I think Doc is in trouble. Something ain't right.
Bullpen? More like Bullshtein. Papsmear actually pitched ok. Unfortunately that last implosion in Atlanta will stick in our heads all offseason.
Chooch picked a hell of a time for a career year. No one is going to remember it.
Quote from: Rome on October 02, 2012, 08:04:36 PM
IGY & MDS are assuming the Phillies are going with the same lineup of aging stars. They're not. They're going to infuse the lineup with younger talent. Teams with 175 million dollar payrolls don't rebuild; they re-tool, and that's what going to happen here.
a big reason why teams can sometimes re tool though is that they sepnd a shteinload of money on scouting and free agent prospects that no one else will bid on...the phillies effort in that area does not match their payroll and they are lacking...
also i cant recall another team having so many good players get old at the same time...retooling is having to replace a couple main guys...they basically have to replace half their roster over the next couple of years and also make sure every player they acquire pans out...this simply not going to happen...
the phillies did an amazing job from around the turn of the century until their world series in 2008 of hitting a home run on prospects that would become the best at their position in franchise history....i mean think about it....the franchise is 130 years old and they had no less than three players all in their prime at the same time who were the best in club history at their respective positions..and thats a huge credit to the front office and scotuing depts...but because they ahd a perfect storm of players coming together like that they also now have the perfect storm of all these players getting old at the same time
then you have the smug issue...the phils by hiring pat gillick gave themselves the perfect mix of an already homegrown established talent base with the ultimate gm who could sprinkle his magic dust over the roster and POOF! get over the hump and win a world series championship...if they still had a gillick then maybe you could put forth a little more faith that they could "retool"...but rube is in way over his head on this one...
bottom line is you neeed a lot more than simply money to rebuild a team...payroll helps but it isnt a cure all as you are suggesting
you are talking to people who all go home and sleep in their red phillies PJs, they are in absolute denial over where this team is headed over the next few years
and look at their farm system. guys who could be ready within 1-2 years or already are up
tommy joseph (catcher)
sabastian valle (catcher)
darin ruff (babe)
cesar hernandez (2b)
tyson gillies (crazy)
freddy galvis (ss)
lolmonic brown (of)
trevor may (sp)
tyler cloyd (greg maddux circa 2003, the mediocre version)
this is not exactly the floorplan for a title. some of these guys might pan out and be ok, one or two might wind up being good. but the next utley, howard, jimmy, etc. are not here and in fact were all traded away to win the world series they never won.
We had all better get use to sniffing the Nats ass for the foreseeable future. This team is L O A D E D. Young, deep and full of talent.
HA! Even the Nationals crowd booed Papsmear as he was walked off the mound after giving up a 2 run bomb to Morse.
WTF is a Tyosn Brummett?
.500!
WE DID IT!!
They fired Sam Perlozzo already. Addressing the issues!
Boy that'll show everyone they mean business. I always said it was Perlozzo's fault. Juanny next. I'd like to see the towel attendant go after that.
now mackdaddy mackcannon and gg are gone, too
obviously sandberg will take one spot but other than that what the farg does this do
yea im sure they were 82-82 because the bench coach was zesty
Yeah because Sam Perlozzo and Mack Daddy were problems.
Greg Gross stunk so getting rid of him was ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l3a7lsEgFM
Any reference to Lee Majors is good.
QuoteThe team's ratings on local TV dropped 39 percent, according to Sports Business Journal's annual survey, marking the largest decline in baseball. The Phillies went from the best local ratings in 2011 to seventh in 2012.
burlington/camden county ratings drop had to have been astronomical
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-talk/Rollins-jabs-Nationals-as-Phillies-head-?blockID=783543&feedID=4382&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
Yeah Jimmy...take a jab at those bitches.
Phils were still the #1 team in the league in overall attendance.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance
How in the farg are the Dodgers #5? That place is rarely near full!
Quote from: SD on October 03, 2012, 08:31:05 PM
Phils were still the #1 team in the league in overall attendance.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance
tickets bought before the season ftw
QuoteThe product on the field Wednesday embodied an entire season of disappointment. Its poster boy is Cliff Lee, who made the wrong kind of history. He finished 2012 with a 3.16 ERA in 211 innings with 207 strikeouts and 28 walks. His astronomical strikeout-to-walk ratio of 7.39 was best in baseball; Joe Blanton's 4.88 was next closest.
But Lee's record shows only six wins. He became the first pitcher in baseball history to win fewer than eight games when posting an ERA lower than 3.20 and striking out more than 200 batters.
Inexplicably, the Phillies were 12-18 in games started by Lee. They were 10-11 when he allowed three or fewer runs.
The Phillies drastically failed to support him. His teammates scored 75 runs of support in his 211 innings while Lee permitted 79. It also provided another example against the fallacy of judging a pitcher's season based upon his win-loss record.
wins!
Todd wins! Wow, that is some amazing stuff. 10-11 when he allowed three or fewer wins? Unfarging believable. 12-18 overall when he pitches! Disgusting.
Just read an article about the 10 most disappointing players in baseball in 2012.
Halladay, at #7, was the only Phillie on the list.
so basically wait until any great player gets old and falls off...then say hes disappointing
agone had to be #1 right?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 04, 2012, 10:19:39 AM
so basically wait until any great player gets old and falls off...then say hes disappointing
agone had to be #1 right?
Actually, yes:
http://www.bloguin.com/theoutsidecorner/2012-articles/october/2012-s-ten-most-disappointing-players.html
How is Cliff Lee not on that list?
rhino officially promoted to the major league staff as 3rd base coach
steve henderson new hitting coach
and rod nichols bullpen coach
juanny back - 1st base coach
Not sure why Samuel wasn't always the 1B coach... I seem to recall him being a good base-stealer.
I think it's laughable that Uncle Cholly is being brought back (2008 final victory lap?). Just get rid of him and start the Sandberg era. They're a team in transition anyway, so why not get it underway now rather than wait?
I think it's laughable that everyone is so horny for Ryne Sandberg just because he was a great player. what the farg makes anything think he's going to be a great manager?
i don't care if they get rid of charlie, but people are in a lather about sandberg and it's silly
I don't get it either. It's pretty rare that great players make great coaches or managers. My guess is that the fan base doesn't want to see him turning out to be great with another team.....again.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 04, 2012, 12:42:49 PM
It's pretty rare that great players make great coaches or managers.
thats because its rare for a great player to even want to coach or manage...theres not exactly a long list of examples to pull from to support that theory
also i have no idea about sandbergs mangerial skills but baseball is the one sport where you have a significant numbers of good to great ex players being successful managers...in the end sandberg is either a good manager or he isnt...i dont think his playing career has anything to do with it
his minor league resume and reputation are good enough that id would be fine with him as the next skipper of the phils
Exactly, IGY. And I'm not in a lather, Jonnycakes, although I'd be lying if I said I wanted Cholly back.
does sandberg have a copy of "the book?"
that is my question
QuotePicking the Philadelphia Phillies' All-Postseason Team
Nice way to fill your playoff void. Bleacher Report and their stupid slide shows.
QuoteNot only will manager Charlie Manuel go without a bench coach next season, Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com reports that the Phillies will hire an assistant hitting coach and "have targeted" Matt Stairs and Mike Sweeney for the job.
According to Salisbury their goal is to hire a young, recently retired player to work alongside new hitting coach Steve Henderson, with general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. explaining that "we've researched it quite a bit, so we're going to go with a two-man crew."
How about a GM two-man crew?
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