2012 - Philadelphia Phillies, At Least Cole is Staying

[SD]

They're not going to deal Hamels.  Spaz & Pineapple Head, sure.  Not Heidi.

And the point of keeping him is...? They're not contenders this season and if he hasn't signed by now what makes you think he'll sign before free agency starts? The Phillies are aware of what he wants and know once he hits free agency [which he will] he's a goner. They won't match what a team like the Dodgers is going to throw at him. So you have two options:

Play out the year, hope to finish in 3rd place [long shot] and watch Hamels go for nothing

or

Trade him to a team in contention and get some prospects. They should be able to get 2 or 3 top level prospects for him.

[Rome]

Starting pitching is the strength of this team (theoretically).  Why weaken it considerably?  They can afford him easily and you don't let legit #1 pitchers bolt especially if they're 28 years old.  And they're not going to get anything remotely close in terms of his talent for him in return, so giving him away for less than fair market value is retardedly stupid.  That said, Amaro is probably just that stupid so at this point it's probably a 50/50 proposition that he gets traded.

[SD]

I'm all for re-signing him but if it would have already happened by now. It's not like they're in the dark with what he wants. So what's the hold up? He's theirs, there's mutual interest, but there's no deal. He's going to be a free agent unless they deal him. And you're underestimating what a 28 year old playoff tested performer like Hamels will bring in a deal at the deadline. Teams on the brink of winning a title will part with their top prospects if it's the final piece to get them a title. It's not like the Phillies are some small market team, they hold all the cards in this situation.

[Munson]

I'm all for re-signing him but if it would have already happened by now. It's not like they're in the dark with what he wants. So what's the hold up? He's theirs, there's mutual interest, but there's no deal. He's going to be a free agent unless they deal him. And you're underestimating what a 28 year old playoff tested performer like Hamels will bring in a deal at the deadline. Teams on the brink of winning a title will part with their top prospects if it's the final piece to get them a title. It's not like the Phillies are some small market team, they hold all the cards in this situation.

I think as much as hamels says he wants to stay in philly, he also wants to test the FA market. So I don't believe its a sign him now or he's gone situation. I think the phils will be willing to offer him 25 mil a year when the time comes. If they are gonna trade him, maybe they could get profrack or whoever that SS prospect is from Texas. Wish KC was in contention so they could try and get Wil Myers. But maybe the texas SS plus someone like david murphy plus one or two other prospects?

[ice grillin you]

I'm all for re-signing him but if it would have already happened by now. It's not like they're in the dark with what he wants. So what's the hold up? He's theirs, there's mutual interest, but there's no deal. He's going to be a free agent unless they deal him. And you're underestimating what a 28 year old playoff tested performer like Hamels will bring in a deal at the deadline. Teams on the brink of winning a title will part with their top prospects if it's the final piece to get them a title. It's not like the Phillies are some small market team, they hold all the cards in this situation.

agreed....move him for a boatload of prospects.....phillies are not going to be contenders for the better part of the next five years and heidi is chip that can kick start the rebuilding process big time.....plus his back is going to be an issue when he hits his 30's.....giving him 150 million dollars is as retarded a move that you can make

[SD]

I'm all for re-signing him but if it would have already happened by now. It's not like they're in the dark with what he wants. So what's the hold up? He's theirs, there's mutual interest, but there's no deal. He's going to be a free agent unless they deal him. And you're underestimating what a 28 year old playoff tested performer like Hamels will bring in a deal at the deadline. Teams on the brink of winning a title will part with their top prospects if it's the final piece to get them a title. It's not like the Phillies are some small market team, they hold all the cards in this situation.

I think as much as hamels says he wants to stay in philly, he also wants to test the FA market. So I don't believe its a sign him now or he's gone situation. I think the phils will be willing to offer him 25 mil a year when the time comes. If they are gonna trade him, maybe they could get profrack or whoever that SS prospect is from Texas. Wish KC was in contention so they could try and get Wil Myers. But maybe the texas SS plus someone like david murphy plus one or two other prospects?

It IS a sign him now or buh bye situation. Once he hits free agency he's gone. I'm sure a part of him would like to stay but then teams like the Dodgers/Yanks/Sox etc. will whine and dine him and offer him lucrative deals and the players union will tell him to go to the highest bidder. Let teams fight over him and up their deals and rape some team for some prospects. The more the Phillies suck the more teams will be interested.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/779537-mlb-trade-news-the-50-dumbest-trades-in-baseball-history/page/51

[Rome]

Chooch, Papelbon and the guy who evidently grudge-farged SD's sister are going to the All-Star game.

Joy.

[SD]

Did I miss something?

[PhillyPhreak54]

Trading Hamels would be monumentally stupid and they'd regret it for years.

This league and the success of a team is centered around pitching. So why in the hell would you deal a proven commodity for a bunch of question marks? You'd be hoping the guys you get in return turn out to be like the guy you just farging traded!

Ruiz, Rollins, Hamels, Halladay and Lee are keepers.

Everyone else is on the block.

[SD]

You trade him because you're not re-signing him. What are they waiting for? Once free agency starts he's gone. They know what he wants and have had forever to re-sign him. It's obvious from smugs comments about downplaying the size of the deal that he expects Hamels to go into free agency then come running back to the Phils begging them to take the deal they offered. The Dodgers/Yanks/Sox are going to blow him away with an offer and he's going to leave. At least if you trade him you get some value for him.

[PhillyPhreak54]

That's my point - they should re-sign him.

Another failure by the esteemed general manager.

I want that fargers head perched atop Billy Penn's statue. He's an awful GM and a smug farging icehole.

Follow Banner out of town, please.

[Rome]

Just so we're clear on this:

SD hates Cole.  Hates him.

Oh, and this team is nauseating.

[SD]

Since when do I hate Cole? He gets a lifetime pass from me for 2008. I'd be thrilled if they re-signed him but it would have happened already so they might as well get something decent in return.

Sports talk radio and Phils post game show both saying they're listening to offers.

And Qualls was traded to the Yankees [no joke]

[PhillyPhreak54]

@Matt_Swa: Keep in mind that trading Hamels gets you less than historical mid-season trades bc u don't keep Type A status in new CBA."

[SD]

@Matt_Swa: Keep in mind that trading Hamels gets you less than historical mid-season trades bc u don't keep Type A status in new CBA."

That's exactly why a team has to blow you away with an offer. The Phils aren't some small market team who is just trying to offload a player they know they're not going to have the money to keep. They have the financial means to keep Hamels meaning they hold all the cards. If a team wants him they're going to have to ante up big time.