What positions and specific players do you want this offseason? Maybe some other things you'd like to see the Eagles do like re-up Spadaro's contract. Our biggest needs in order IMO:
1a. Top tier pass rushing DE to pair with Cole
1b. Elite #1 WR - how you gonna stop #85?
2. Nickel corner - Will James sucks, Lito always hurt
3. Safety - would be higher but Mikell played surprisingly well
4. Tight End
5. Return man
6. Offensive line depth - Herremans kinda sucked this year
7. Punter - Rocca sucks
8. Kicker - Akers is cooked
I'd put coach near the top, but we all know Andy is going nowhere. I'd address defensive end and receiver in free agency. We don't have time for any draft busts at those positions. We need impact players ASAP. I'd go secondary in the draft, and about the rest? No idea. Too early to say. I can't believe I didn't list linebacker on there. It suddenly is one of this team's biggest strengths.
I think that the Eagles will actually go after an elite #1 receiver this offseason. I have no idea why I think that, but the last time I had that kind of hunch was in 2004 when TO came here. Hopefully they repeat the trend.
Chad Johnson is an ass. I'd much rather have Fitzgerald, who's just as good with less baggage.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 31, 2007, 07:27:05 AM
Chad Johnson is an ass. I'd much rather have Fitzgerald, who's just as good with less baggage.
yeah but chad johnson is not a ass like owens.
he doesnt call out his teammates, coaches, and his teammates girlfriends.
There have been reports that he's reviled in his locker room (admittedly, I saw most of that on PFT, but...)
Still rather have Fitz. Probably get more Baskett, though.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on December 31, 2007, 07:34:46 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 31, 2007, 07:27:05 AM
Chad Johnson is an ass. I'd much rather have Fitzgerald, who's just as good with less baggage.
yeah but chad johnson is not a ass like owens.
he doesnt call out his teammates, coaches, and his teammates girlfriends.
Yes he does
chad johnson > fitzgerald
chad johnson would be the superior aquisition...hes signed up for two more years which gives you a nice little window to go for it all before mcnabb is done
fitzgerald at five years younger is obviously the better long term solution and is a guy that can grow with cobb
Give me either of those 2. No sense in arguing. Either of the 2 are so many levels ahead of the mediocrity that plagues this team at the WR position, its a stupid argument.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 31, 2007, 09:18:51 AM
Give me either of those 2. No sense in arguing. Either of the 2 are so many levels ahead of the mediocrity that plagues this team at the WR position, its a stupid argument.
Exactly.
It's like I've got $5 to my name and you're asking me if I would rather have $100,000 or $100,002.
i feel like every time rocca punts it's like a 60 yarder, but if you look at the stats he really did suck this year. thats surprising to me.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 31, 2007, 09:26:24 AM
It's like I've got $5 to my name and you're asking me if I would rather have $100,000 or $100,002.
So, which would you rather?
Gimme them extra two bones, dook.
The gubment just took $1.15 of that. Enjoy your eighty-fie cent.
i think ocho is significantly better because he has bigger play potential....fitzgerald is a little better version of keyshawn johnson...where as ocho is a notch below terrell owens
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 31, 2007, 09:37:05 AM
The gubment just took $1.15 of that. Enjoy your eighty-fie cent.
Well... I gues it's settled then.
GET OCHO CINCO!!
so everyone thinks the bengals would trade chad johnson? i'd love it but don't see it happening.
randy moss is a FA after the season also.
I really don't see any of this shtein happening to tell you the truth. Ocho or Fitz. I'm in a "what if this shtein actually went down" mindset at this point.
As for Moss, there's no way he sees FA. He'll be locked up with the quickness. Stallworth on the other hand...
while i still think Stallworth is better than Curtis, having them both on the team seems redundant.
I would say there is exactly zero chance of Moss becoming a free agent.
Quote from: SunMo on December 31, 2007, 09:53:15 AM
while i still think Stallworth is better than Curtis, having them both on the team seems redundant.
no
The Eagles didn't give Stallworth a long-term deal after last season. What makes anyone here think they'd do it now? I'd like it and all but come on. This is the Eagles we're talking about and this isn't a Douglas/Trotter type situation either.
did Stallworth have the same hammy issues he had last year? i don't think he missed any games, but was there any of the "will he/won't he play" that we had last year?
Yeah, I agree with phatty. Stallworth has the kind of talent that you look for in a number 1. Curtis is just a lunch pale kind of guy. Has some speed, but isn't a game-breaker. Line them up across from one another and I like the WRs a whole lot more. To Curtis' credit though, he does know how to recover a fumble in the endzone better than anyone I've ever seen.
he hops on fumbles like a mofo though.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 31, 2007, 09:59:51 AM
Yeah, I agree with phatty. Stallworth has the kind of talent that you look for in a number 1. Curtis is just a lunch pale kind of guy. Has some speed, but isn't a game-breaker. Line them up across from one another and I like the WRs a whole lot more. To Curtis' credit though, he does know how to recover a fumble in the endzone better than anyone I've ever seen.
Yep...
Stallworth is black and is thus faster and a better all-around athlete.
The only issues concerning playing time had to do with Welker/Moss being superior in terms of production. Amazing to think that our former #1 was the third and sometimes fourth option in New England this year.
Like nearly everyone else I think he'd be a great addition and would make Curtis/Brown quite a bit better but I see no way that the Eagles will admit they were wrong and bring him back.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 31, 2007, 10:03:42 AM
Stallworth is black and is thus faster and a better all-around athlete.
Welcome to the "enlightened" side...
I'll take horrible puns for $200, Alex.
Quote from: SunMo on December 31, 2007, 09:53:15 AM
while i still think Stallworth is better than Curtis, having them both on the team seems redundant.
while i dont think stallworth is a #1 i think he would make all the other wr's better and he brings to the table exactly what the offense needs
the difference in the way the offense operated this year vs last was clear as day
they had no down the field game whatsoever this year...outside of the detroit fluke
I'd be thrilled with getting Donte back or in some far out scenario that will never happen getting Fitz or Johnson. The most likely scenario is Reid says the WRs are fine then brings in a #3 type. Baskett should be shown the door but I think there's a chance Greggie stays because he's a good special teams player and is cheap.
I would cry blood if the Eagles tried to cram Greggie/Avant/Baskett down our throats again. Seriously.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 31, 2007, 10:53:42 AM
I would cry blood if the Eagles tried to cram Greggie/Avant/Baskett down our throats again. Seriously.
Now I'm rooting for that to happen.
I'd probably piss blood too.
Damn PBR's...
Lewis ended up making more plays than Baskett and Avant combined this year. Considering how unlikely it is that the Eagles would actually get rid of all three of them, Greg has probably earned another season**.
Go team.
**unless they can trade him to the Vikings
The birds need a top flight WR. But stallworth isn't even close to that.
I was picking out a halloween costume the last time he scored a TD...on an offense that just set a regular season record for passing TDs in a season. Stallworth is not all that good.
The fat man speaks (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14919)
QuoteAbout 17 hours into an offseason that began much sooner than he would have liked, Andy Reid made it clear Monday that he expects more out of the Eagles in 2008.
...
Individually, he singled out players like Reggie Brown, Brodrick Bunkley, Takeo Spikes, J.R. Reed, Quintin Mikell, Jon Dorenbos and Sav Rocca for improvements throughout the course of the year.
What, cause Brown graduated from 1 and 2-catch games at the beginning of the year to 4 and 5-catch games near the end? Give the guy a farging medal.
Quote"There are quite a few things we need to address this offseason."
At least he's not pulling that "we're very close" bullshtein again. But it's been a while since I've seen the team address "quite a few things" adequately during the offseason. We'll see.
Quote from: Wingspan on December 31, 2007, 11:21:06 AM
The birds need a top flight WR. But stallworth isn't even close to that.
I was picking out a halloween costume the last time he scored a TD...on an offense that just set a regular season record for passing TDs in a season. Stallworth is not all that good.
the eagles love making other teams #3s into #1s!
well not making but hoping.
anyway i would agree with stallworth if it was to be guranteed that mcnabb could reproduce the #s the offense put up with stallworth in 06 (pre injury)...other wise we need more of a sure thing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2007, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: SunMo on December 31, 2007, 09:53:15 AM
while i still think Stallworth is better than Curtis, having them both on the team seems redundant.
while i dont think stallworth is a #1 i think he would make all the other wr's better and he brings to the table exactly what the offense needs
the difference in the way the offense operated this year vs last was clear as day
they had no down the field game whatsoever this year...outside of the detroit fluke
I think that has more to do with the subpar QB play this year than the WRs.
This can't be stated enough:
Donovan played much better as his knee started to shure up this season. I don't know about 2009 and beyond, but I want him quarterbacking the Eagles in 2008.
As do I, I've said for 3 months I expect they'll fire the wrong guy.
Maybe Donovan will have a better fan club in his new town. The fact that he got booed for that interception yesterday was a bit excessive, IMO. It was a stupid throw, but he played pretty well considering the trash he has to throw at.
For the millionth time. Anyone with a brain knows that Donovan is a good QB. It's the Donovan/Andy Reid combo platter that needs to be split up.
Alright, then. Who's going to take out Andy Reid.
Maybe we can do it like the Orient Express. We can all stab him once, and make it harder to CSI.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 31, 2007, 01:15:02 PM
Alright, then. Who's going to take out Andy Reid.
Maybe we can do it like the Orient Express. We can all stab him once, and make it harder to CSI.
It would be better if we used a syringe to inject him with some sort of poison and framed it on Garrett or Britt. Of course, we'd have to wait until one of them gets out of jail.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 31, 2007, 09:59:51 AM
To Curtis' credit though, he does know how to recover a fumble in the endzone better than anyone I've ever seen.
Freddie Mitchell wasn't too shabby either
Get Walker? (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_7850208)
Quote
Javon Walker: Broncos are "not for me"
By Bill Williamson The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 12/31/2007 11:11:42 AM MST
Javon Walker dropped the first bomb of the Broncos' offseason this morning.
In a rambling briefing with the press, Walker essentially said he longer wants to be with the Broncos.
"It's not for Javon," Walker said. "It's not for me."
Walker bounced and back and forth and said that he'll do whatever the Broncos decide but he concluded by saying that being here is not for him.
Walker even suggested a return to Green Bay. The Broncos acquired him from the Packers in April 2006 for a second round draft choice.
Walker was unhappy with the Packers when he was dealt.
Walker missed seven games this season with a knee injury and second-year player Brandon Marshall flourished, catching 1002 balls.
Walker has $5.4 million in option bonus money coming to him this year and the team was planning on keeping him. However, after his bombshell, the team will likely seriously consider parting ways.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 31, 2007, 03:55:33 PM
Get Walker? (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_7850208)
Quote
Javon Walker: Broncos are "not for me"
By Bill Williamson The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 12/31/2007 11:11:42 AM MST
Javon Walker dropped the first bomb of the Broncos' offseason this morning.
In a rambling briefing with the press, Walker essentially said he longer wants to be with the Broncos.
"It's not for Javon," Walker said. "It's not for me."
Walker bounced and back and forth and said that he'll do whatever the Broncos decide but he concluded by saying that being here is not for him.
Walker even suggested a return to Green Bay. The Broncos acquired him from the Packers in April 2006 for a second round draft choice.
Walker was unhappy with the Packers when he was dealt.
Walker missed seven games this season with a knee injury and second-year player Brandon Marshall flourished, catching 1002 balls.
Walker has $5.4 million in option bonus money coming to him this year and the team was planning on keeping him. However, after his bombshell, the team will likely seriously consider parting ways.
Holy shtein that's a lot of receptions.
id give very little for walker. attitude and injury problems aint a good combo.
10 guys who should go away (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/132...07-1463421.html)
Quote10 guys who should go away
The list was a lot longer last year, and that's a good sign for the Eagles.
It's the list of Eagles we never want to see again.
Nothing personal. Some are great guys. Do great work in the community, donate to charities, buy Girl Scout cookies, etc.
We're just tired of seeing them play for the Eagles.
Here's 10 of them.
1) Thomas Tapeh.
Four years in, I still can't figure out why he's in the NFL. In an offense built on the precept that every eligible receiver is supposed to be a legitimate option, Tapeh has 25 receptions in three seasons, seven this year. To go along with 69 career rushing yards.
Tapeh, an unrestricted free agent, is a barely adequate blocker. Brian Westbrook is better at half the size. And a tad more skilled.
The Eagles use the fullback maybe 30 percent of the time, and Tapeh brings nothing to the table. He's so slow special teams coach Rory Segrest recently pulled him off every single special team.
Whoever heard of a fullback who can't even play special teams?
2) Matt Schobel
Doesn't matter that L.J. Smith is leaving via free agency. The Eagles have to find two tight ends. Schobel came here billed as a tight end who couldn't block but was a gifted receiver. Turns out he's neither.
Nice guy, but 24 receptions in two seasons in which he's started 10 games isn't getting it done. Schobel is signed through 2010 at $850,000, $950,000 and $1.15 million. The Eagles can find a better way to spend that money.
3) Jevon Kearse
Here's his career arc (not counting seasons in which he was hurt: 14 1/2, 11 1/2, 10, 9 1/2, 7 1/2, 7 1/2, 3 1/2.
Notice a pattern?
4) Darren Howard
Because the Kearse signing turned out so lousy, it's easy to forget that the main reason the Eagles overspent so dramatically on Howard is because they were trying to find somebody who could pressure the quarterback when it became obvious Kearse couldn't.
The Eagles will have to eat about $2.1 million in cap room to release Howard, but they'll save the $2 1/2 million he's due to earn next year. Since recording 11 sacks in 2004 for the Saints, Howard has 9 1/2 sacks in 43 games, just one this year.
If it wasn't for Kearse, Howard might be the worst free agency signing the Eagles have made in the last decade.
5) Todd Herremans.
Actually, we don't want to see Herremans released or traded. We just don't want to see him at left guard anymore.
Let's face it. Herremans is a tackle. He's a solid backup on both sides, but even though he played OK last year he just isn't a guard. The Eagles need to either play Max Jean-Gilles at left guard or sign a proven free agent. Something. Upgrading left guard will make center Jamaal Jackson better, too. Make one switch, improve two spots.
6) Montae Reagor.
Inspirational story. Bounced back from nearly fatal car accident a year ago to revive career. Only problem is that he barely played. Even when Brodrick Bunkley missed the Seattle game with an injury, Reagor was inactive.
Oh, and this is with a $2.32 million 2007 price tag.
LaJuan Ramsey isn't the answer. Kimo von Oelhoffen isn't the answer. Reagor isn't either.
7) William James.
The ultimate Player to be Named Later. The one-time Will Peterson began the season as Jim Johnson's hand-picked challenger to Sheldon Brown. And he's finishing it in obscurity, mired behind Joselio Hanson., who has outplayed James since Day 1.
Maybe he needs to change his name again. But he could change it to Eric Allen and it wouldn't help him cover James Thrash.
The Eagles' belief in James was as mystifying. A $1.1 million waste.
8) Reno Mahe.
Hall of Fame guy. But if the Eagles can't find anybody else to return punts, they should just fold the franchise.
9) Greg Lewis / Hank Baskett / Jason Avant
Any one of them would be a fine fifth receiver. But they can't be three, four and five. Paging Na Brown.
10) Jerome McDougle
You have to admire how hard he worked to overcome constant injuries and a terrifying shooting, but when a first-round pick hasn't panned out after five years, it's a wild guess he's not going to pan out in his sixth either.
Kearse and Howard are gone, so the Eagles may as well clean house at defensive end. Keep Trent Cole, Juqua Thomas and Victor Abiamiri and get rid of everyone else.
Quote"It's not for Javon," Walker said. "It's not for me."
What is it about wide receivers that they insist on referring to themselves in the third person?
Quote8. Reno Mahe.
Hall of Fame guy. But if the Eagles can't find anybody else to return punts, they should just fold the franchise.
The 'fold the franchise' comment is a nice touch and could be applied to a few of the other players listed above as well...
I completely agree with everything on that list.
Holy farg. I didn't even realize McDougle was still on the team.
Moats should be on the list
Yeah, something about you can't cut an injured player.
I think he'll just stay perpetually injured until he retires as an Eagle in 2012.
I thought Moats was dead.
Someone mentioned Moats at the game yesterday and I thought he was kidding. I completely forgot that he was injured and not outright released.
DEAD
Quote from: MDS on December 31, 2007, 04:14:55 PM
id give very little for walker. attitude and injury problems aint a good combo.
agreed. trouble.
farg that. He isn't a team-crusher like TO always has been. He's just got an attitude. He's a prima-donna and that sucks, but I'd take him for a year or two. If healthy he makes the offense a whole hell of a lot better.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on December 31, 2007, 04:35:30 PM
Holy farg. I didn't even realize McDougle was still on the team.
I forgot Thomas Tapeh was still on the team, and he's out there all the time.
I don't know what team has been watching but Thomas Tapeh has developed into a better than average blocking fullback.
He more than handles linebackers, seals the edge, blows up safeties and is quick enough to get out of Westy's way. He has decent hands and can pick up tough yards every now and then.
I have no problem with Tapeh. I think the only reason we don't appreciate him is the fact that he plays for the Eagles.
Agreed 100%. The Eagles could do much, much worse at FB. He's a good blocker who can actually run so he's useful in the long gains. Maybe he's not Tony Richardson or Lorenzo Neal, but considering the other "options" out there there's no reason to want to get rid of him.
Who farging cares about the FB. The Birds never run anyway, and half the time when they do, Tapeh isn't in anyway.
good thing the WCO doesn't need one for screens, huh
#9 is exactly what I said earlier, and I think Greggie deserves to go stay.
Look, Ed, Bill Walsh always used one for screens, that's true. You really want Tapeh, or for that matter, any FB taking the screen instead of Westbrook?
I'm just saying you could use Tony Hunt as the goddamn fullback and it wouldn't make much difference. Hunt would get as many touches as FB as he did this season (and yes, I know the dumbass can't block, it's just a very frustrated example).
Tapeh is good.
And I doubt Ed was saying he'd prefer Thomas Tapeh to have the ball in his mitts rather than Westbrook. He's likely referring to Tapeh blocking for Westbrook on those screens.
Thomas Tapeh and any debates about him are far, far, far down the list of discussions this offseason, IMO.
I'd prefer to see Westbrook & Buck in the same backfield more often but Tapeh has been fine as a blocking FB. It's not his fault the fat farg calls his number in the most asinine situations and although I would be fine if I never saw him with the ball in his hands again, his blocking has been pretty damn good this year. Hell, Westbrook had the best year ever for a running back in team history so he's gotta be doing something right back there.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 31, 2007, 07:19:49 PM
good thing the WCO doesn't need one for screens, huh
exactly...if you cant catch the ball in the wco then you need to go..and its not as if tapeh is a devastating blocker and makes up for his lack pass catching skills...the guy isnt very good to begin with and is an even worse fit in this scheme...get em out...
DGunn says the Eagles have discussed another new deal for Westbrook
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 01, 2008, 09:31:14 AM
DGunn says the Eagles have discussed another new deal for Westbrook
Good.
Also,
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3175230
Javon Walker anyone?
Deja vu?
Jevon Walker is the new Eric Moulds
QuoteHoushmandzadeh tied for the league lead in catches, receiver Chad Johnson set a club record with 1,440 yards, and Palmer set another club record by throwing for 4,131 yards.
Didn't matter. The Bengals still finished below .500 against a schedule that was as favorable as any in recent years. They faced only four playoff teams this season, including Pittsburgh twice, but scuttled their chances by losing six of their first eight games.
"A lot of guys weren't attuned to winning," safety Dexter Jackson said. "They were attuned to getting a certain amount of yards or a certain amount of this instead of winning the game."
Defensive end Justin Smith said the same thing: The locker room has some players who were more interested in themselves than the outcome. At times, they played like a team that wasn't very focused on what had to be done.
get
Quote from: rjs246 on December 31, 2007, 04:58:47 PM
farg that. He isn't a team-crusher like TO always has been. He's just got an attitude. He's a prima-donna and that sucks, but I'd take him for a year or two. If healthy he makes the offense a whole hell of a lot better.
I'm worried about that knee that hurt him twice in 3 years.
Didn't hear this one but supposedly DGunn was on WIP and said "the Eagles will have to replace someone on their roster that they are not even aware is leaving".
What's that supposed to mean?
Retirement?
Suspension?
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 01, 2008, 09:40:20 PM
Didn't hear this one but supposedly DGunn was on WIP and said "the Eagles will have to replace someone on their roster that they are not even aware is leaving".
I hope it's not Jerome McDougle. He seems so promising.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2008, 10:12:04 PM
What's that supposed to mean?
Retirement?
Suspension?
I think the Birds would know if a suspension is coming down. Someone like Tra or Runyan is probably planning to retire. Or maybe DGunn's peddling horseshtein.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2008, 10:12:04 PM
What's that supposed to mean?
Retirement?
Suspension?
reno is leaving to continue his hostess duties
Any chance the Colts start life without Marvin Harrison?
Philly guy, played with Donnie Mac for a year at 'Cuse... However, he might be done as a #1.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 01, 2008, 09:40:20 PM
Didn't hear this one but supposedly DGunn was on WIP and said "the Eagles will have to replace someone on their roster that they are not even aware is leaving".
Dawk?
My best guess is, as already mentioned, TraWilliam or Jon.
I'm thinking TraWilliam.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 02, 2008, 03:08:35 PM
I'm thinking TraWilliam.
I agree.
If it is him, the odds of AR drafting an OL in the first round just went from 3:1 to even money.
tra has only one year left on his deal and its for almost six million bucks...i just cant see him giving that up
runyan has straight up said hes coming back...its not him
It's Considine
Planned suicide?
I'm gonna go with a shocker and say Akers retires. Him or Spikes.
Let's just go with a list of possible guys who could reitre due to age or performance:
Dawkins - No replacement
Tra Thomas - Is Justice the answer?
Jon Runyan - See Thomas
Jevon Kearse - Wouldn't matter
Darren Howard - Wouldn't matter
David Akers - Too early/not matter too much IMO
Takeo Spikes - Very doubtful, still played okay when he wasn't hurt.
That's it. If you look at the rest of the team, they are pretty young. The only guy(s) up there I would worry about would be Runyan or Thomas. They really don't have a replacement, and asking a rookie to come in and right away lock down a tackle spot is a tall order. What does the FA tackle market look like?
seems to me that its akers. and hes been really kind of bad since the superbowl season.
At this point I wouldn't mind seeing Akers go.
Runyan is supposed to be on WIP tonight at 7:30 (or maybe it was DNL?)
Quote from: Munson on January 02, 2008, 04:05:48 PM
I'm gonna go with a shocker
two in the pink, one in the stink
(http://www.corruptfibers.com/images/products/shocker_tshirt.jpg)
DC, what about Rocca? Maybe he decided that 1 year was enough?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 02, 2008, 04:23:41 PM
At this point I wouldn't mind seeing Akers go.
Runyan is supposed to be on WIP tonight at 7:30 (or maybe it was DNL?)
I think he's always on DNL one night a week and he wasn't there on New Years Eve?
I think it is probably Tra. He is close with Gunn and getting up there in age. I can't see Runyan giving up knocking on skulls while he's still healthy.
FWIW from Spadaro:
QuoteI think they will consider WRs. I think, however, that either a trade or a draft pick is more likely than a FA WR.
Looks like they aren't planning to pass off Berrian or D.J. Hackett as a #1 if they decide to upgrade...
FWIW my neighbor said: has more validity than Spadaro will ever have.
Most of the time, yeah
hmm...looks like Gasperson is back. They also re-signed Jason Davis, Sampy, Jeremy Clark and one of the "who?" guys on the practice squad (Fontenot).
QuoteFALCONS CONTINUE DUAL SEARCHES
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Atlanta Falcons continue to actively search for both a G.M. and a head coach. At the same time.
Per Schefter, Blank was in Green Bay on Wednesday, interviewing director of pro personnel Reggie McKenzie and personnel analyst John Schneider. Blank then will head to Indy to interview assistant G.M. Chris Polian.
On Friday, Blank goes to Dallas for interviews with Cowboys assistant coaches Tony Sparano and Jason Garrett.
Next week, Blank will interview Eagles G.M. Tom Heckert, who can make what would be a lateral move in title if he gets the final say that he doesn't have in Philly.
The broader question, as we see it, is who's with Blank? Is Rich McKay involved in the process? Is consultant Ernie Accorsi and his jet black hair hat making the trip?
And, as we explained on Tuesday, why are Falcons interviewing possible coaches without first having a G.M. in place?
In fairness to the Falcons, they've got no choice but to act now if they want to interview assistant coaches who are working for playoff teams that have a first-round bye. Still, the notion that Blank -- either alone or with others -- is interviewing any potential head coaches without having a G.M. in place is being regarded by knowledgeable league insiders as, well, a bit screwed up.
Good. Heckert farging blows.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 02, 2008, 09:34:59 PM
Good. Heckert farging blows.
The way he follows orders from Reid on every conceivable aspect of how the team is run is horrible. Horrible, I say!
I had the distinct impression from things Reid has said that he pretty much relies on Heckerts recommendations on drafting after the first or second round.
If you think about it, Andy Reid - Head Coach and Executive Vice President of Football Operations - has delegated play calling to MM, JJ does the defense, Banner handles everything on the contracts and money end, and Heckert is in charge of overseeing the scouting and draft process. AR is basically left in charge of Game Clock Management.
Reid is a notorious micro-manager. Even if he has ceded some of his responsibilities he's still the sort of control freak who has his hand in every important decision that affects the franchise at least in terms of the football side of it.
Heckert's a paper tiger at best. If that's so and another organization is willing to give him veto power of the sort that Reid has, then he really should go.
No doubt Reid has final say and is ultimately 'the decision maker' on the football side. Even when he was on leave tending to his kids problems he was still in touch on a regular basis. But I do think Heckert is a major influence, not a paper tiger. After day 1 of the '06 draft (getting Bunkley and Justice) Reid was so happy he uncharacteristically let his guard down when asked about trading up in the 3rd to get Gocong. He explained how Heckert "coached me up" on the choices still on their board and their best options of trading up to get Gocong. Basically he wasn't that familiar with some of the guys still on their board. My impression is that he likes to focus on the first couple of rounds in particular, interview the guys he wants etc. but relies heavily on the input of Heckert's group. I believe I've heard AR and Heckert both say in interviews that Reid welcomes opposing views but most often they are on the same page anyway. Which can also be a bad thing imo when a group is so much on the same page that nobody is able to see the collective blind spots.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 02, 2008, 08:54:45 PM
FWIW from Spadaro:
QuoteI think they will consider WRs. I think, however, that either a trade or a draft pick is more likely than a FA WR.
Looks like they aren't planning to pass off Berrian or D.J. Hackett as a #1 if they decide to upgrade...
Good. Signing Berrian or Hackett is a huge mistake. They are average WRs.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 02, 2008, 08:54:45 PM
FWIW from Spadaro:
QuoteI think they will consider WRs. I think, however, that either a trade or a draft pick is more likely than a FA WR.
Looks like they aren't planning to pass off Berrian or D.J. Hackett as a #1 if they decide to upgrade...
not that what he said means anything but i see that more as them drafting a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. i do not see them attempting a trade.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 03, 2008, 07:49:50 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 02, 2008, 08:54:45 PM
FWIW from Spadaro:
QuoteI think they will consider WRs. I think, however, that either a trade or a draft pick is more likely than a FA WR.
Looks like they aren't planning to pass off Berrian or D.J. Hackett as a #1 if they decide to upgrade...
not that what he said means anything but i see that more as them drafting a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. i do not see them attempting a trade.
Yep.
The receivers are fine.
kevin curtis got 1000 yards
hank baskett has two 80 yard touchdown catches
QuoteHeckert: Don't expect major changes
By REUBEN FRANK
phillyBurbs.com
On the one hand, Eagles general manager Tom Heckert knows the Eagles have to get better. On the other hand, he thinks both starting lineups will return virtually intact in 2008. "We can definitely upgrade our team," Heckert said during a chat yesterday at the NovaCare Complex. "We need guys to push our starters. But I think we're very close to the top teams in the league. We beat one of them (Dallas) and had a pretty good shot at beating another one of them (New England) without our starting quarterback.
"There's definitely room for improvement, but I think we're talented enough to get into the playoffs."
The Eagles went 8-8 this year and missed the playoffs for the second time in three years after going to the postseason five straight years.
The only starters not under contract for next year are tight end L.J. Smith and fullback Thomas Tapeh.
Heckert said the Eagles will consider placing a franchise tag on Smith to retain his rights. That would be a guaranteed one-year contract worth about $41/2 million.
"When L.J.'s healthy, he's a good football player," Heckert said. "We like him. We saw (Brent) Celek can come in and play, and if L.J.'s back, it's a real solid group."
Heckert said he's happy with the returning veteran safeties — Brian Dawkins, Quintin Mikell, J.R. Reed and Sean Considine — but said cornerback will be an offseason priority.
"We need help in the secondary," he said.
But wholesale changes? Don't look for them.
"What starters do you want us to get rid of?" Heckert said. "Name them."
When it was suggested the Eagles could upgrade at defensive end opposite Trent Cole, Heckert said, "If Juqua Thomas isn't starting, then you've got Victor (Abiamiri), who's going to be a real good player ... I think we pressured the (heck) out of quarterbacks the second half of the year. You'd always like more sacks, but I think the pressure was pretty consistent throughout the year."
When it was suggested the Eagles could upgrade the interior of the offensive line, especially at left guard, Heckert said, "I think those guys played pretty good. Shawn (Andrews) missed most of training camp, Jamaal (Jackson) was up and down but I think he played pretty good the second half, and once Todd (Herremans) was healthy, he played pretty good. He's not going anywhere."
And when it was suggested the Eagles could upgrade at wide receiver, Heckert said the Eagles will consider adding a proven big-play guy but said that's easier said than done: "If there's a guy out there, a difference maker, we'd be interested. It's not like we're averse to doing that at all. If a guy like that is available, we'll talk about it.
"But Kevin (Curtis) and Reggie (Brown) both had career years. Kevin went over 1,000 yards and Reggie caught 60 balls. ... We think Jason (Avant) is a good player, every time Greg Lewis played he made plays, and Hank (Baskett) didn't play as much because of Jason, but we like Hank.
"We like our guys. We think we've got a good group. Do we have somebody who's going to catch 110 balls? Probably not. But in this offense, I don't think anybody's going to do that anyway.
"If an impact guy (is available), we'd look at him, but they're not falling off trees."
Some more snippets from Heckert:
With Lito Sheppard constantly hurt, what's the plan at cornerback? "Will (James) is a free agent and (Joselio) Hanson is unrestricted, so at the very least we have to get some bodies in so we have somebody who can play if Lito (Sheppard) goes down — or Sheldon (Brown). When Lito's healthy, he's good. It's just a matter of him staying healthy. I think he'll be back and be all right, but it's a position we do have to look at."
Jevon Kearse is gone, right? "We have not made that decision at all. That may be his feeling, but we think when he's healthy he's a good player. Obviously, he wasn't very healthy. He's coming off a significant (knee) injury. That was a major deal. If he is back, I think he'll be more productive. But it's definitely not a foregone conclusion he won't be back."
When do you have to start preparing for life after veteran offensive tackles Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan? "If both those guys play next year the way they did this year, we'll be all right. Winston (Justice) played pretty well that last game (vs. the Bills) when Jon got hurt, so that was good to see. And we still have the option of moving Todd or Shawn out to tackle."
How do you get better in the Red Zone? "We have to do some things differently. We did move the ball, but we didn't score as many touchdowns as we needed to. Whether we need different personnel or it's schemes — it's probably a little bit of both. Obviously, we need to get better there."
Are you convinced Donovan McNabb can return to his Pro Bowl form? "There's no reason he can't. Thirty-two for a quarterback is nothing. If he's healthy, he can definitely be the guy. Early in the season, he couldn't do the stuff he's used to doing — getting out of the pocket and running around and buying time. The last few weeks, he was back to his old self."
rfrank@phillyBurbs.com
January 3, 2008 6:27 AM
I literally felt sick reading that. It's some of the worst tripe ever. I'm not even going to bother singling out the worst of it, because it's all so awful.
LOL - Heckert = Barney Fife.
I agree that Curtis & Brown are fine as 2 & 3 receivers. He seems to be suggesting that getting a true #1 is impossible or at least very difficult and if that's the case, if that's truly what he believes then he's in the wrong business. All it takes is astute talent analysis, free agent money, or simply taking a chance on a guy who's had problems elsewhere. Since they don't have the first ability, spend free agent money like misers, and are scared by the T.O. thing, there really doesn't seem to be any chance of them upgrading the position.
Oh, and thanks for cramming Lewis, Avant & Baskett down our throats, Tom! Get the sickle cell and die, you farghead.
Quote"There's definitely room for improvement, but I think we're talented enough to get into the playoffs."
disgusting.
that has to be a parody article right?
they wont upgrade juqua's spot because they have victor abiamiri??
he thinks they are talented enough to "get in the playoffs"...way to aim high there
lol @ the curtis 1000 yards propoganda...we will hear that 1000 times this offseason
winston justice is fine because he played "pretty well" against buffalo in week 17...but no mention of the giant game of course?...if youre gonna use individual games to make a blamket statement about someone shouldnt you use the good and bad games
how many times is pretty well or pretty good stated in that piece....is that the level of play that has become acceptable now...
the impact wr's dont fall off trees line is horrible too...no shtein they arent easy to get thats why you have to be creative and go out and get them...basically they are saying we wont get into a bidding war with anyone for any player...either hes right in front of our noses for the taking or no thanks we are fine with what we have
and probably the most insulting comment in the whole article is when he condecendingly asks "what starters to you want to get rid of?..."name them"
farg you icehole...as if the eagles were the patriots this year...you were 8-8 and yet no starters are replaceable??....
what the farg is going on here
but they beat dallas once! they must be good.
that 3 game win streak to end the season is all they are going to think about all off season
The party line that's emerging is that injuries or players recovering from injuries is the prime factor in a 10-6 playoff team falling to 8-8.
The reality is they've woefully overrated their own talent and like any dictatorship they're loathe to admit any culpability in the disaster that they've created.
I honestly think that Heckert is obfuscating through that entire article if for no other reason than there's no logical way he can believe the unending stream of bullshtein he spewed. I mean, there's just no way.
PS: The Kearse thing was hilarious. That line was like a key in deciphering a code of misinformation. It's so preposterous that it couldn't possibly true. It's like he deliberately put that in there just to let everyone know he's lying about everythig else.
And people wonder why the fans hate the FO so much. ::)
Quote"What starters do you want us to get rid of?" Heckert said. "Name them."
IGY's right...what a farging POS, in other words, "Ok dummy, who do YOU think we should get rid of"
Banner basically said the same thing in one of his responses in the latest issue of Eagles Insider.
Jesus - talk about arrogance and condescension. It really is hilarious in a depressing sort of way.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 03, 2008, 09:10:23 AM
The party line that's emerging is that injuries or players recovering from injuries is the prime factor in a 10-6 playoff team falling to 8-8.
theres no question the mcnabb injury effected their season big time...maybe you can even argue it prevented them from making the playoffs...
but other than that what injuries are they talking about...what other injuries did they have that really made a huge difference...they certainly didnt have any injuries that other teams didnt have and they had less than many teams...
jesus christ a team in their own division the taterskins had waaaaay more injuries lost their starting qb had a friggin guy die and they made the playoffs
the problem here is the ultimate goal of the FO vs what the fans want...the FO it seems would be happy with 10-6 and a playoff exit next year...the fans want more...im not a bottom is falling out guy...i think this is a possible playoff team next year as is...but i dont want a possible playoff team i want a possible superbowl team and to achieve that goal they have to make some significant changes
the goal is to sell tickets and jackets, this much we can agree on, right??
The Eagles fell to 8-8 because they had less talent than the other teams in the division. The injury excuse is just that, a farging lame ass excuse because they refuse to acknowledge their shortcomings in talent acquisition. Everyone knew that the zesty free agent signings and lousy drafts would catch up to them eventually and now it has. Amazingly, though, they're really not that far off from making the playoffs but that has more to do with the NFC being patently awful than anything else.
They have to take stock of this team honestly and like I said earlier, either they have and this is a smokescreen or they have and they really think they're a lot more talented than they are. Here's hoping the former is the case because if it isn't, we're in for a long wait for this team to return to dominance, at least in the conference, anyway.
selling tickets is no longer an issue....what i think they strive for tho is to just make the playoffs so they can validate raising the price of all the tickets they sell
and i love how the injuries prevented 10-6...like 10-6 is ok, where the farg is 12-4, 13-3?
same difference...the goal is to maximize profits, minimize costs...not to win a SB. if they do happen to win a SB then great, but they aren't going to orient the strategy of the whole organization to the SB goal..that costs too much money
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 03, 2008, 09:32:24 AM
They have to take stock of this team honestly and like I said earlier, either they have and this is a smokescreen or they have and they really think they're a lot more talented than they are.
if they have identified that large improvements are necessary then you dont have to come out and say that but at the same time dont come out and spew over the top fluff to the press either
that piece above isnt one random obscure comment its an entire article filled with cocky condenscending garbage quotes about how great they are
the fact that its so in your face tells me that they honestly believe it...why else go so far in trying to get this mesage out
this shtein really has me heated
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 09:36:25 AM
same difference...the goal is to maximize profits, minimize costs...not to win a SB. if they do happen to win a SB then great, but they aren't going to orient the strategy of the whole organization to the SB goal..that costs too much money
Suite lease renewals and Replica Jerseys, but you get the idea.
The fact that they've missed the playoffs twice in the past three seasons and have an aggregate record that is sub-.500 over that time period should be proof enough for them that they're not getting it done as-is.
Spadaro keeps saying that major changes are coming then Heckert comes out with this line of horseshtein. I can't figure it because there's just no way they believe this team is good enough to win a Super Bowl. Not even close.
Then again, maybe Dio is right... maybe winning a Super Bowl isn't the primary driving force for this group. Maybe maximizing profit while giving us a product that is just good enough to keep us interested is the main goal. The horrible cynic in me can certainly see that but the unrepentant little kid fan in me doesn't want to believe it.
What I got from that article was the worst thing the Eagles could have done was beat the Cowboys and 'almost' beat the Pats. Seems like the f/o mindset is we're good enough when things go the right way which is an idiotic way to do business. The Pats made it to the second round of the playoffs last year, did they sit on their asses in the offseason? Nope, they identified their biggest weakness was WR and fixed it, then they added the best LB in free agency.
the ravens "almost" beat the pats
in fact came a lot closer than the eagles
and they fired their coach (who btw has won a superbowl)
QuoteWords mean nothing right now. It is going to be an interesting off-season. What would you like him to say at this point?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 03, 2008, 10:10:46 AM
QuoteWhat would you like him to say at this point?
if that's all he has...NOTHING
or how about
"we are going to do what we do every january and that is to sit down and have our organizational meetings where we evaulate each position and identify the necessary changes that need to take place"
That's exactly what I replied, Mo.
Instead of lying how about you just keep your whore hole shut for a change? Their love for secrecy and deception is pathological.
Juqua, Abiamiri and Justice were just used as examples of quality and depth. Heckert needs to die.
To be fair, Juqua deserves mention...he is quality depth.
Exactly.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 10:42:03 AM
To be fair, Juqua deserves mention...he is quality depth.
agreed
Juqua is a fine backup. He's exactly the kind of situational guy who would be great for a team with two dominant defensive ends. He's no starter, though, but we can't have those types on the Eagles because of the whole 'fastball' thing.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 09:30:33 AM
the goal is to sell tickets and jackets, this much we can agree on, right??
No. Both of those types of revenue go into the communal pot for all NFL teams.
The goal is to sell Luxury boxes, in-stadium and other non-TV advertising and any peripherals like stadium food, CSN, etc.
Sorry Dio, we can't even agree on that...
Well, that's what I meant. So let me rephrase..
the goal is to make money, not win the sb, this much we can agree on, right?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 12:37:31 PM
the goal is to make money, not win the sb, this much we can agree on, right?
No doubt. Agree 100%.
Quote from: methdeez on January 03, 2008, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 09:30:33 AM
the goal is to sell tickets and jackets, this much we can agree on, right??
No. Both of those types of revenue go into the communal pot for all NFL teams.
The goal is to sell Luxury boxes, in-stadium and other non-TV advertising and any peripherals like stadium food, CSN, etc.
Sorry Dio, we can't even agree on that...
actually ticket revenue is only split evenly during the post season...during the regular season the home team gets 2/3's of the profits and 1/3 goes into the nfl kitty
as for merchandise teams take a larger % of profit on items sold off their own website or their own stores (ie the linc stadium store the lancaster outlet)
the only real monotary reason to make the playoffs is to have a built in reason to raise ticket prices and to sell more gear....its these future profits they are looking for because teams actually lose money by making the playoffs since team costs outweigh the money they get for making the postseason
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 03, 2008, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 12:37:31 PM
the goal is to make money, not win the sb, this much we can agree on, right?
No doubt. Agree 100%.
Money lover.
Moron.
Republican
jesus man, that's harsh
You're right. There's a line even I shouldn't cross and I did.
Sorry.
Apology accepted.
Moron.
(http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_morans.jpg)
Who's Morans?
Everyone...GO USA
did someone hold a gun to his head and force him to say this crap? there is absolutely no reason for him to say this.
who is he speaking to anyway? i mean who is the target audience? the ticket holders? is he trying to ease their minds with this crap? maybe since they make money every yr they have deluded themselves into thinking the fan is that dumb and doesn't know the difference between a BAD team in a HORRIBLE conference.
heckert almost makes me glad the eagles did not beat the patriots and makes me wonder if i should be happy about that win over dallas.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2008, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: methdeez on January 03, 2008, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 09:30:33 AM
the goal is to sell tickets and jackets, this much we can agree on, right??
No. Both of those types of revenue go into the communal pot for all NFL teams.
The goal is to sell Luxury boxes, in-stadium and other non-TV advertising and any peripherals like stadium food, CSN, etc.
Sorry Dio, we can't even agree on that...
actually ticket revenue is only split evenly during the post season...during the regular season the home team gets 2/3's of the profits and 1/3 goes into the nfl kitty
as for merchandise teams take a larger % of profit on items sold off their own website or their own stores (ie the linc stadium store the lancaster outlet)
the only real monotary reason to make the playoffs is to have a built in reason to raise ticket prices and to sell more gear....its these future profits they are looking for because teams actually lose money by making the playoffs since team costs outweigh the money they get for making the postseason
which poses the questions:
Do some owners intentionally keep their teams from making the playoffs in order to have the greatest profit for a season?
Do some owners want their teams to make the playoffs, have some success, but not total success (Super Bowl winner) so they can improve their team's future long term value and minimize their playoff losses?
Do some players put forth less effort in the playoffs since they only get paid a small fraction of their normal regular season salary?
Are rhetorical questions irritating?
very and so is your mother
Oh snap?
ha
This thread is probably a good microcosm for what we're going to see from the Eagles this off-season.
Pushing Brent Celek, JR Reed, Winston Justice, and Juqua Thomas on us as starters is roughly equivalent to meaningless rhetoric and mom jokes.
get Kearse's house. $3.1M (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20080103_Inqlings___Eagles_nest_is_up_for_sale.html)
Eagles Pro Bowler Shawn Andrews marked his 26th birthday Friday at Benny the Bum's in South Philly. Among guests: Jevon Kearse, Lito Sheppard, Sheldon Brown, J.R. Reed and Reno Mahe.
millionaire athlete has his bday at that dump??
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 03, 2008, 02:07:36 PM
get Kearse's house. $3.1M (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20080103_Inqlings___Eagles_nest_is_up_for_sale.html)
QuoteRecords show that Kearse, 31, a native Floridian, paid about $1.8 million for the house in 2004. He also owns a $4 million condo outside Miami and a $6 million spread up I-95 in Pompano Beach, Fla. His sports agent, Drew Rosenhaus, did not return a call. Neither did his real-estate agent, Melissa Young, who's also marketing the nearby crib of former Eagle Terrell Owens, on the market for $3.4 million.
Hahaha - and TO's house is still not sold.
It was either there or Chuck-E-Cheese's.
Did someone mention arrogance and condescension?
QuoteI hope for Tom's sake that he gets the job. But I don't want him to leave. And any of you who do truly don't know what the heck you are talking about.
Nahhhhhhhhhhh! :-D
If he's insinuating the personnel decisions could stand to be even worse with Andy remaining but Tom leaving, I agree. But the difference will mostly be negligible.
He's insinuating that you're stupid and you have an ugly face.
Quote"What starters do you want us to get rid of?" Heckert said. "Name them."
Reggie Brown
TE whoever
Juqua Thomas
Takeo Spikes
Omar Gaither
Sean Considine
Maybe not get rid of them, but definitely could use an upgrade. I like Brown and Gaither and I'm fine with them starting, but obviously the Eagles could do better.
Keep Spikes.
Good point. He had a couple of semi-impact plays this season.
Since Spikes went down with injury, both Stewart Bradley and Akeem Jordan played significant time at LB and both made more impact plays than Spikes did all year.
Spikes is allergic to the Playoffs. Loser.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 03, 2008, 02:31:01 PM
Did someone mention arrogance and condescension?
QuoteI hope for Tom's sake that he gets the job. But I don't want him to leave. And any of you who do truly don't know what the heck you are talking about.
Nahhhhhhhhhhh! :-D
I'd like to see Fat Andy give up all power in decisons on personnel. I'd like to see Tom with final say for a couple drafts.
And Spikes can go for all I care, he was solid against the run, but nothing special.
The playoffs haven't even started and you idiots are putting stock into what the third-in-command says? Stop.
if what he said holds no truth then hes a horrible human being...but my money is on most of it being 100% how the FO feels
y
Why hasn't anyone floated the Reggie Brown for Chad Johnson trade option?
Why bother? They're basically the same player.
yeah i was gonna say you mean the chad johnson for chad johnson trade option?
Wait, why are we trading a guy who just came off a career year? He caught 60 balls. 60!
On his chin.
Quote from: reese125 on January 03, 2008, 01:23:55 PMDo some owners intentionally keep their teams from making the playoffs in order to have the greatest profit for a season?
No, because a successful team has better renewal rates for box leases, merchandise, etc.
QuoteDo some owners want their teams to make the playoffs, have some success, but not total success (Super Bowl winner) so they can improve their team's future long term value and minimize their playoff losses?
No, a super bowl team reaps tremendous $$ benefit. The problem is that it is a high-risk, high return proposition. The loser of the Super Bowl will make nowhere near as much.
QuoteDo some players put forth less effort in the playoffs since they only get paid a small fraction of their normal regular season salary?
No. At the playoff level success is a personal matter, not a financial one. Still, look at what one play in the Super Bowl did for Atwaan Randel-el's payday.
In short: a successful team with the occasional shot at the big prize is the sweet spot for the business side of professional sports. Teams that suck don't make as much money. Teams that aggressively pursue greatness spend a lot to get there.
Quote from: MDS on January 03, 2008, 03:40:26 PM
Wait, why are we trading a guy who just came off a career year? He caught 60 balls. 60!
He also capped it off nicely with a glorious fumble into the end zone.
(I'm not even sure he ever had possession of that ball, by the way.)
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 03, 2008, 03:37:12 PM
Why bother? They're basically the same player.
Chad Johnson dreams of being Reggie Brown.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 03, 2008, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 03, 2008, 03:37:12 PM
Why bother? They're basically the same player.
Chad Johnson dreams of being Reggie Brown.
Who hasn't had that nightmare? You're Reggie Brown and Joselio Hanson is chasing you around the shower. You slip, and he dives at you, and you wake up in a puddle of what you hope is sweat.
I'm okay with the WR's they have now...IF they stop passing the ball so much, aka run more, and upgrade the TE position.
None of which they will do so...sign a star #1 WR if you're going to pass so much.
Quote from: Munson on January 03, 2008, 07:27:22 PM
I'm okay with the WR's they have now...IF they stop passing the ball so much, aka run more, and upgrade the TE position.
None of which they will do so...sign a star #1 WR if you're going to pass so much.
they will not stop throwing the ball, and our current WR's are not able to break against the elite defense's in the league. Heckert said he thinks this is a playoff team, farg you I want a super bowl team, the fargin skins are in the playoffs you dick. Do something and do it now damn it. Add a WR that people drop their jaws at ( i relize there is not much out there) But do something. 2004 our sb run we had that bastige who thrived in this pass happy enviroment. Get chad, get someone for the love of it.
Quote from: troyhstewart on January 03, 2008, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 03, 2008, 02:31:01 PM
Did someone mention arrogance and condescension?
QuoteI hope for Tom's sake that he gets the job. But I don't want him to leave. And any of you who do truly don't know what the heck you are talking about.
Nahhhhhhhhhhh! :-D
I'd like to see Fat Andy give up all power in decisons on personnel. I'd like to see Tom with final say for a couple drafts.
And Spikes can go for all I care, he was solid against the run, but nothing special.
I'd like to see Andy Reid standing in a line to collect cheddar cheese with "US Welfare" stamped on it.
link (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story;jsessionid=563CFC445DE0C1E1159EC25C3885CB43?id=09000d5d805b626d&template=with-video&confirm=true)
QuoteTwo prominent receivers expected to seek trades
By Adam Schefter | NFL Network
Wide receivers know how to produce big catches and lingering storylines.
The next two could be coming out of Cincinnati and Denver, where Bengals wide receiver Chad Johnson and Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker are expected to try to seek trades.
Cincinnati sounds far less open to dealing its wide receiver than Denver.
Doug Pensinger / Getty Images
Two years removed from a trade request that sent Javon Walker from Green Bay to Denver, the receiver could demand another such move this off-season.
Since last season, when the grumblings about Johnson's future first began, the Bengals have been adamant about refusing to trade the receiver who set the franchise record this season for receiving yardage.
However, a showdown is looming in Cincinnati, where few of the Bengals are happy with the way this past season went and some, including Johnson, could opt to seek their exit.
For starters, Johnson and Palmer did not connect the way they did in other seasons. Also, the Bengals are expected to try to retain Pro Bowl wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh, who has one year remaining on his contract. Should the two sides come to the agreement that many expect, it could send Johnson back to the bargaining table to rework a six-year, $35.5 million contract extension he signed in April 2006.
However it plays out, sources close to the situation insist that the Bengals have not heard the last from Johnson this off-season. The story is just beginning.
As for Walker, Denver will look to deal him in the coming months. The Broncos are reluctant to pay Walker the $5.4 million option bonus payment due to him. Denver surrendered a second-round pick to Green Bay two years ago and since then, Walker has battled injuries and controversy, the most recent coming Sunday when he said he didn't want to return to Denver for next season.
Now Denver will seek to find a new home for Walker.
Teams in the market for free-agent wide receivers could choose from Oakland's Jerry Porter, New England's Jabar Gaffney or New Orleans' David Patten, among others. But rather than signing a free-agent wide out, teams could decide to trade for one.
At least one, and possibly two, will be available.
Get Gaffney!
Get Trotter and Detmer back. Everything went to shtein when they left.
Eskin's reporting Heckert will be offered the Atlanta job. I think he goes, what's the use in interviewing if you're not planning on taking the job. Plus, I'm sure he's being promised full run of the franchise which he'll never get here.
they told him a few days ago hed have full control if he got the job
I wonder if he thinks Atlanta's WR's are fine
Pray this doesn't happen (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20080104_Paul_Domowitch___Curtis_quick_to_earn_respect.html)
QuoteDon't be shocked if Brian Billick, who was fired earlier this week as the Ravens' head coach, winds up as an offensive consultant on Andy Reid's staff. Billick and Reid are longtime friends. You might recall that Reid brought another pal, Marty Mornhinweg, on board after he was fired by the Lions 5 years ago.
How many offensive "geniuses" can one team have?
if they can get randall cris carter and randy moss then im IN
Quote* "We couldn't handle him. We played against him twice a year and we couldn't handle him - couldn't tackle him, couldn't cover him and had to double him a lot. He was a tough guy for us to match up with." - Patriots coach Bill Belichick, on why he traded for wide receiver Wes Welker.
Noble way of thinking.
Too bad the Eagles FO doesn't think that way.
its too bad no one in the nfc east is stupid enough to make a deal of any kind with the eagles.
http://www.bringchad2philly.com
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r10/alanunsworth/CJ-1.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 04, 2008, 06:41:13 PM
Quote* "We couldn't handle him. We played against him twice a year and we couldn't handle him - couldn't tackle him, couldn't cover him and had to double him a lot. He was a tough guy for us to match up with." - Patriots coach Bill Belichick, on why he traded for wide receiver Wes Welker.
Noble way of thinking.
Too bad the Eagles FO doesn't think that way.
You want James Thrash back too?
yeah, totally the same thing
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2008, 09:26:18 PM
yeah, totally the same thing
lmfao...took the words out of my mouth.
Can you imagine the shtein talking that would go on with Chad Johnson in Philly and TO on the Cowboys twice a year?
It won't ever happen, but I'm feeling like we should start getting avatars a la 2004/TO.
Please God; bring Ocho Cinco to Philly.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 04, 2008, 06:10:20 PM
Pray this doesn't happen (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20080104_Paul_Domowitch___Curtis_quick_to_earn_respect.html)
QuoteDon't be shocked if Brian Billick, who was fired earlier this week as the Ravens' head coach, winds up as an offensive consultant on Andy Reid's staff. Billick and Reid are longtime friends. You might recall that Reid brought another pal, Marty Mornhinweg, on board after he was fired by the Lions 5 years ago.
God no.
Whenever I think of Billick I remember them showing him on Hard Knocks when they had to cancel the game at the Vet and his attitude.
What a prick, that guy. If Andy brings him in I wouldnt be shocked. Just add another idiot to an already idiot laden coaching staff
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 04, 2008, 10:30:47 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2008, 09:26:18 PM
yeah, totally the same thing
lmfao...took the words out of my mouth.
Can you imagine the shtein talking that would go on with Chad Johnson in Philly and TO on the Cowboys twice a year?
It won't ever happen, but I'm feeling like we should start getting avatars a la 2004/TO.
I didn't even think of that.
Now I REALLY want it to happen.
You're all going to feel awful when he gets traded to New England, huh?
All the bullshtein that the FO is puking out is what separates the Eagles from teams like the Pats who go out and get the best WR in the game for a team that was already a sure playoff contender.
They must think the fans are stupid. They don't give a rats ass about winning a Superbowl for a team and town that has never had one. Like whats been said here, they want meat in the seats, playoff money, and nothing more.
I hate them.
Of course, if they sign a wr like Johnson, I won't hate them quite as much.
lol @ wing defending the eagles against pg
you done hit rock bottom dook
A lot of talk about getting Chad Johnson. Not a lot of talk about what the Eagles would have to give up to get Chad Johnson. He won't come cheap. What are you guys willing to give up? First-rounders? Killa Cole? They need DEs badly and I don't think they are itching for Howard or the Freak.
A first rounder with the way this team drafts receivers?? Hell yeah!!
The problem with that is that I wouldn't be surprised to see psycho Al Davis give the Bengals one of the top five picks in the draft for Johnson.
Well, if Johnson is smart, he would look at what happened to Moss. Oakland is going nowere fast.
a 1st rd pick for chad johnson would be fair.
they can go and draft all the project pet players they want afterwards.
1st round, no
2nd + another pick or a player? yes
I'd give up a first rounder in a heartbeat. This team is going to have 12 draft picks this year. Losing the first one for an All Pro receiver is more than fair.
I'd say trading a first round pick for a true #1 receiver is far better than trading one for a backup quarterback.
if they will make an overall committment to winning the super bowl in the next two years
meaning add some other difference makers
id definitely give a number one for cj...its a no brainer
but if youre just giving up a one to get him because hes a number one wr then no...because they need more than that to win it all
I'd give up a #1 for him also. He's way better than anyone you'll get at 19. Not even up for debate.
He's loads better than anyone icehole in our front office could pick first over all.
Still won't happen.
so who else was making jealous at the seahawks linebackers all game....leroy friggin hill made more plays today than the entire eagle linebackcer corps did this season...and dont even get me started on julian peterson or tatupu
according to andy tho the LB position is slightly more important than the wr
Peterson was barely even noticeable with his sacks and tackles for a loss and whatnot.
lol @ at all the eagle fans including much of this board saying how overpaid jp was two years ago
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2008, 10:24:34 AM
lol @ wing defending the eagles against pg
you done hit rock bottom dook
Your ability to smell a joke is absolutely uncanny.
you aint no joke when you and the eagles are concerned
you dont let anyone come at your team
belee dat
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2008, 08:26:43 PM
so who else was making jealous at the seahawks linebackers all game....leroy friggin hill made more plays today than the entire eagle linebackcer corps did this season...and dont even get me started on julian peterson or tatupu
according to andy tho the LB position is slightly more important than the wr
I commented on that in the NFL forum...Peterson is a stud. He was atop my wish list a few years ago.
I'd give up a 1st and 2nd/Dawkins to get a decent #1 receiver. Someone that can make that kind of contribution is far beyond what they're ever going to get from in the draft.
Say Jared Allen gets franchised, but wants out of KC, and the Eagles would have to give up a 1st rounder via trade. Obviously if we trade for Allen, we wouldn't be able to trade for a stud #1 receiver most likely.
Would you rather have Jared Allen and a second tier free agent WR like Stallworth or Chad Johnson?
IF the eagles ran the ball more next year and didn't pass as much, then priority level would be...
1. DE
2. S
3. WR
Assuming their farged up philosophy will still be the same next yeaer...
1. WR
2. DE
3. S
I have to admit that I see any white-skinned DE and I think, "high-motor, limited ability". It's racist, but still... Allen might be ok.
I had Tatupu on one of my fantasy teams. You could have picked either one of Seattle's linebackers and done well. They are studs. Shut down the Skins offense. Collins couldn't beat thier blitzing.
QuoteSeahawks linebackers Leroy Hill, Lofa Tatupu and Julian Peterson were the game's leading tacklers, credited with 23 tackles, 12 assists, two sacks, five quarterback hits and one pass defensed among them.
link (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=65DDA47AEBF921EA8F14CBC73F745B5F?id=09000d5d805c2fd9&template=with-video&confirm=true)
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 06, 2008, 08:31:54 AM
I have to admit that I see any white-skinned DE and I think, "high-motor, limited ability". It's racist, but still... Allen might be ok.
here we go with the high motor again. The guy has 34 sacks in 3 seasons. He has plenty of ability and you are plenty racist
Reggie Brown and a 1st for Larry Fitz
Just in case no one noticed.
Brian Westbrook 2007:
Rushing - 1333 yds. - 4.8 avg. - 7 td's.
Receiving - 771 yds. - 8.6 avg. - 5 td's.
Total yds. frm. scrimmage - 2104 with 12 td's.
One hell of a year.
Quote from: shorebird on January 06, 2008, 12:59:32 PM
Just in case no one noticed.
Brian Westbrook 2007:
Rushing - 1333 yds. - 4.8 avg. - 7 td's.
Receiving - 771 yds. - 8.6 avg. - 5 td's.
Total yds. frm. scrimmage - 2104 with 12 td's.
One hell of a year.
I think we all noticed. If it wasn't for him, the Eagles would have been lucky to win five games.
Too bad he's injury prone.
Also note he had 90 receptions. Thats number 14 overall on top receptions. Highest average out of the top 3 receiving backs also at 8.6 yrds
Next running back back was #25(overall receptions not jersey number) Reggie Bush at 73 rec.for 2 TD's and #39, LT had 60 rec for 3 TD's
sigh....look how sunny it is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfiG8dKSkOc)
why is everyone so obsessed with those teams? they were great but the bottom line is they won 1 playoff game under rich farging kotite. they were choking dogs.
shut your mouth....those teams are probably the best that this city has ever seen outside of the flyer cups and moses' sixers
buddys eagles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roided up 93 phils
im not doubting that they were awesome, but id much rather have a team that won something over a collection of historic regular season games that are best known for injuring cowboys and taterskins.
Quote from: MDS on January 07, 2008, 02:20:04 AM
id much rather have a team that won something
maybe move to boston then
only if i can live with rjs
Don't know if this was posted anywhere.....it's a week old but I haven't been on the board much for the last few days.
http://tsn.sportingnews.com/
Apparently the Lions may be shopping Roy Williams.
QuoteThe Lions will begin getting word out that WR Roy Williams is on the trading block. It wouldn't hurt the Lions to stockpile draft picks, but the front office would prefer to acquire a veteran defensive player. Don't be surprised if the Lions put together a combination deal involving both Williams and DT Shaun Rogers to entice someone to give up a quality player. ...
And TSN seems to think that McNabb isn't going anywhere.
QuoteLooking at the quarterback problems many teams have, it's hard to believe the Eagles will trade Donovan McNabb. Kevin Kolb is not ready to start, and McNabb's performance improved late in the season. McNabb is only 31 and figures to play more confidently next season, when he will be a full year removed from knee surgery. The Eagles will surely get offers for McNabb, but don't expect them to bite. ...
I don't think he's going anywhere either. His performance clearly improved near the end of the season, but there is little to no chance the Eagles could get adequate value for him in trade.
Williams and Shaun Rogers for Gocong. Done.
I don't think he's going anywhere either. Never did. But it's also one of the few times I've seen anyone in the media say it as well. A lot of the talk, especially with the pundits at ESPN has been that McNabb will be somewhere else in 2008.
And as awesome as Roy Williams would be, I can't see the Eagles going after him if the deal is going to include Shaun Rogers. He's a good player but I don't really think the Eagles "need" him. He'd definitely be a welcomed addition to the rotation though.
Patterson is a great 3rd DT.
Its all speculation at this point. Getting Roy Williams would be fantastic
How bout Roy Williams for Kearse, Howard, McDougle, and Considine???
Thats a deal!
Wasn't McDougle already released? Or did he get shot again?
Roy Williams would be outstanding. I would spooge buckets.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2008, 10:19:53 AM
Wasn't McDougle already released? Or did he get shot again?
IR'd again.
Roy Williams would be fantastic. I think I would want him over Chad Johnson.
Larry Fitz
Roy Williams
Chad Johnson
Either one is a no brainer, but Williams might be the most attainable simply because Millen is a douchebag.
Here's a name to look out for;
Chris Carr
He's a restricted FA (undrafted, so no compensation) from Oakland. He's a 5'10 180 CB but his main job is a returner.
Get him.
The only knock on Williams is that he's always injured. Always.
So, in other words, he's the ideal Eagle.
Williams also has some concentration issues or something because he will drop balls that hit him in the hands. Of course, his big play ability will typically make up for the occasional mental lapses he has. Same could probably be said about Chad Johnson too.
Fitz probably has the best hands of the 3.
Just get a WR. Just one good one.
Quote from: MDS on January 07, 2008, 02:12:43 AM
why is everyone so obsessed with those teams? they were great but the bottom line is they won 1 playoff game under rich farging kotite. they were choking dogs.
Buddy's teams were equally as frustrating as the current staff if not more so. They had one of the best defenses of all time and a super athletic QB running for his life behind a no name offensive line. At least Buddy knew the QB needed someone to throw too. Those defenses were fun to watch though.
Christ. I was watching some OLD tape of Jerome Brown during Chirstmas. What a farging man child. Too quick to run counters away from him, caught them in backside pursuit, too big and strong to double. What a farging man child. Absolutely dominant sob.
They had my boy Vai too!
Now get a farging WR Andy.
Can we all agree that use of the term 'man-child' should automatically qualify you and your entire family for internment?
haha
injury prone or not...roy williams or any of those other guys are leaps and bounds better than what we got...god damn just one legit receiver and our offense is looking good, PLEASE! And a TE
haha...been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
Andy seems to remember people that do good against us, whether they are really good or not. I wonder if we draft a tall guy like Sweed since Plax has been doing well against us. Don't really know much about him besides he's injured and tall. If he falls to the second...maybe?
I think R. Diddy makes a good point in that this team is fine between the 20's. We moved the ball well. But we stopped in the redzone. So all they really need to get this redzone offense going is a red zone threat. A big jump ball guy would be nice. But then again, we already have Baskett! :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2008, 10:28:45 AM
Here's a name to look out for;
Chris Carr
He's a restricted FA (undrafted, so no compensation) from Oakland. He's a 5'10 180 CB but his main job is a returner.
Get him.
Carr would be nice, but the guy I really want is Rock Cartwright. He's an above average returner, and a special teams stud. From what I remember, he's pretty solid carrying the ball too, which gives him more value than Mahe by a country mile.
More importantly, he's been touched by a coaching angel.
Ugh - no taterskins castoffs please.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 07, 2008, 01:41:27 PM
Ugh - no taterskins castoffs please.
Why? By proxy, then Eagles would then have the added benefit of Sean Taylor super-football-spirit-based-guidance-and-fortune. Gotta love it.
Exactly. Players with that benefit plus a few years of coaching from Joe Gibbs? UNSTOPPABLE.
Just to be dicks, as soon as Sean Taylor is officially dropped from the taterskins roster/salary cap, I'd like the see the Eagles sign him to a 1 year contract (posthumously) and have photochopped images of him in an Eagles uni hanging up all over the stadium.
Where did all this Larry Fitzgerald talk come from anyway? It doesn't make much sense. All I heard was speculation that he may ask for a trade. Nothing concrete. He is by far their best player, he is still very young, he was a top 5 pick and would take at least that in a trade. I don't see how his value would have dropped. If anything it went up.
You aren't going to get Fitzgerald unless you trade a top 5 pick or two mid first rounders. IMO getting him is far more unrealistic than Chad or Roy. If anyone the Cardinals would probably trade Boldin, not Fitz.
Quote from: King Cole on January 07, 2008, 05:04:47 PM
Where did all this Larry Fitzgerald talk come from anyway? It doesn't make much sense. All I heard was speculation that he may ask for a trade. Nothing concrete. He is by far their best player, he is still very young, he was a top 5 pick and would take at least that in a trade. I don't see how his value would have dropped. If anything it went up.
You aren't going to get Fitzgerald unless you trade a top 5 pick or two mid first rounders. IMO getting him is far more unrealistic than Chad or Roy. If anyone the Cardinals would probably trade Boldin, not Fitz.
Fitz is a free agent isn't he?
nah, he's only halfway through his rookie deal
Quote from: King Cole on January 07, 2008, 05:04:47 PM
If anyone the Cardinals would probably trade Boldin, not Fitz.
Fine. Get Boldin!!
im still in shock from that day the eagles did actually acquire TO.
i doubt they ever make a trade for a #1 WR.
i think we are setting ourselves up for a huge disappointment if we think the eagles are going for major upgrades.
Actually, the more I think about it, Fitzgerald is probably the most valuable receiver in the NFL right now trade-wise.
1. He is only 24
2. No character issues
3. No major lingering injuries
4. He keeps getting better
5. Top 5 receiver in the NFL
What other receiver in the NFL has that much going for him and is that young? Sure Randy Moss, Chad Johnson both had great years, but they don't have near the value that Fitzgerald does. He is 5+ years younger than them and has no character issues or health issues.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 07, 2008, 05:29:36 PM
im still in shock from that day the eagles did actually acquire TO.
i doubt they ever make a trade for a #1 WR.
i think we are setting ourselves up for a huge disappointment if we think the eagles are going for major upgrades.
Very possible, but I actually think they'll do it this year if McNabb stays. They almost have to. It is obvious that McNabb is getting fed up with this front office bit by bit. The Eagles have to know that getting McNabb a stud receiver will rejuvenate his enthusiasm for playing in Philly, which can only make his play better. Every player should always play their best, but the fact is when you are unhappy in a certain place your play starts to decline. Look at Moss. A rejuvenated McNabb is nothing but a positive for all parties.
They have no excuses either. They didn't make the playoffs.
Quote from: King Cole on January 07, 2008, 05:30:40 PMWhat other receiver in the NFL has that much going for him and is that young?
Braylon Edwards or Brandon Marshall? Too early on Calvin Johnson but I think he's going to be pretty good too...
Quote from: King Cole on January 07, 2008, 05:04:47 PM
Where did all this Larry Fitzgerald talk come from anyway? It doesn't make much sense. All I heard was speculation that he may ask for a trade. Nothing concrete. He is by far their best player, he is still very young, he was a top 5 pick and would take at least that in a trade. I don't see how his value would have dropped. If anything it went up.
You aren't going to get Fitzgerald unless you trade a top 5 pick or two mid first rounders. IMO getting him is far more unrealistic than Chad or Roy. If anyone the Cardinals would probably trade Boldin, not Fitz.
The speculation comes from Fitzgerald having triggered incentives that will push his '08 salary just over $14.5 million. Because the Bidwels are cheap they may try to trade him rather than shell out the money. They also have other players they want to re-sign like Dansby. The only thing is I think they will still take some cap hit if they trade him. Rumor now is they want to trade Edgerrin James, probably to free up space for other re-signing priorities.
The trade Fitz thing is possible but I wouldn't think it is too likely unless a team gives up a heap in draft picks.
Quote from: Phanatic on January 07, 2008, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 07, 2008, 02:12:43 AM
why is everyone so obsessed with those teams? they were great but the bottom line is they won 1 playoff game under rich farging kotite. they were choking dogs.
Buddy's teams were equally as frustrating as the current staff if not more so. They had one of the best defenses of all time and a super athletic QB running for his life behind a no name offensive line. At least Buddy knew the QB needed someone to throw too. Those defenses were fun to watch though.
Buddy was also equally as stubborn, to the detriment of the team, as AR
Quote"I think it's a group, I don't agree with the fact that you have to have, the quote here that you asked me about, the 'number one receiver to get you to the Super Bowl' and all that. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think that as long as a quarterback and the receivers are on the same page, which I felt like we finished that way, that good things can happen and you can go to a Super Bowl and win it."
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14946
can't really argue with him here...it's not like they had a #1 when they went to the SB that one year
Quote from: King Cole on January 07, 2008, 05:30:40 PM
Actually, the more I think about it, Fitzgerald is probably the most valuable receiver in the NFL right now trade-wise.
1. He is only 24
2. No character issues
3. No major lingering injuries
4. He keeps getting better
5. Top 5 receiver in the NFL
What other receiver in the NFL has that much going for him and is that young? Sure Randy Moss, Chad Johnson both had great years, but they don't have near the value that Fitzgerald does. He is 5+ years younger than them and has no character issues or health issues.
6. Never has had a top 10 QB throwing to him either
Quote from: MDS on January 07, 2008, 02:12:43 AM
why is everyone so obsessed with those teams? they were great but the bottom line is they won 1 playoff game under rich farging kotite. they were choking dogs.
Don't forget they didn't win one single playoff game under the cult icon Buddy Ryan, and only one under Rhodes.
Still, this team is just as frustrating to me with how many times they have been to the playoffs and not won a Superbowl. Four championship games for Christ sake. Also, they have needs they never seem to address.
Quote from: SunMo on January 07, 2008, 06:48:17 PM
Quote"I think it's a group, I don't agree with the fact that you have to have, the quote here that you asked me about, the 'number one receiver to get you to the Super Bowl' and all that. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think that as long as a quarterback and the receivers are on the same page, which I felt like we finished that way, that good things can happen and you can go to a Super Bowl and win it."
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14946
can't really argue with him here...it's not like they had a #1 when they went to the SB that one year
No you farging can't, or you would have already farging done it you fat ass hard headed no fathering Mormom motherfarger!!
Quote. I think that as long as a quarterback and the receivers are on the same page, which I felt like we finished that way, that good things can happen and you can go to a Super Bowl and win it."
It's crap like that that makes this team with this head coach the most frustrating Eagle team ever.
Brandon Marshall would've been nice. I wanted them to draft him the year he came out. I think he went in the 3rd.
Quote from: shorebird on January 07, 2008, 07:05:30 PM
Quote. I think that as long as a quarterback and the receivers are on the same page, which I felt like we finished that way, that good things can happen and you can go to a Super Bowl and win it."
It's crap like that that makes this team with this head coach the most frustrating Eagle team ever.
You say that two posts below a Rick Kotitie quote.
Do you remember that idiot?
Of course, we knew he wasn't going to win anything.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2008, 04:15:27 PM
Just to be dicks, as soon as Sean Taylor is officially dropped from the taterskins roster/salary cap, I'd like the see the Eagles sign him to a 1 year contract (posthumously) and have photochopped images of him in an Eagles uni hanging up all over the stadium.
That very well may be the single greatest idea ever. I mean, E-V-E-R.
I didn't read any of the posts after it was asked, but Fitzgerald is a rumor because he's going to want a huge new deal (and deservedly so) and Cardinals probably wouldn't want to attach that onto his already large 3rd pick contract.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 07, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: King Cole on January 07, 2008, 05:30:40 PMWhat other receiver in the NFL has that much going for him and is that young?
Braylon Edwards or Brandon Marshall? Too early on Calvin Johnson but I think he's going to be pretty good too...
QuoteDS: The offense had one of its strongest years in some important statistical categories, yet still scored 17 or fewer points in 10 games. The red zone was an area you mentioned several times. Moving forward, after you have reviewed the red zone, how can the Eagles specifically improve in that area?
AR: "You want to make sure that you don't shoot yourself in the foot with either drops or penalties or sacks. You're always going to have a handful of throws you'd like to have back and a handful of calls that you would have liked to have called different. So, you go back and you've got to straighten those things out, add a lot more concentration when things are louder and faster down there in the red zone.
WTF? RUN THE fargING BALL IN THE RED ZONE YOU fargING IDIOT!
the red zone is 20 yards you know...he might just have to pass
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 07, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: King Cole on January 07, 2008, 05:30:40 PMWhat other receiver in the NFL has that much going for him and is that young?
Braylon Edwards or Brandon Marshall? Too early on Calvin Johnson but I think he's going to be pretty good too...
I don't think they are as good as Fitz, but they are good choices. They definitely have a lot going for them right now. The point is though I just can't see a team giving up what it is going to cost to get Fitz. His value right now is easily top 5 pick value. Whatever that is. Possibly more.
Just get Chad Johnson or Roy Williams so we can put this damn receiver issue to bed. I think each can be had for the value of a late first round pick. Meaning either a late first or a a 2nd rounder and a player/future pick. Their production to the Eagles is going to far exceed the value we gave up to get them.
Quote from: SunMo on January 07, 2008, 06:48:17 PM
Quote"I think it's a group, I don't agree with the fact that you have to have, the quote here that you asked me about, the 'number one receiver to get you to the Super Bowl' and all that. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think that as long as a quarterback and the receivers are on the same page, which I felt like we finished that way, that good things can happen and you can go to a Super Bowl and win it."
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14946
can't really argue with him here...it's not like they had a #1 when they went to the SB that one year
The frustrating thing is, if he wasn't such a stupid farging coach, he would've made the SB in 2002 with James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell and Chad Lewis. He's right, you can go to the SB and win it without a bonefide #1. If you can farging coach, which he clearly can't. Belichek did it a couple of times. Good Coach. Reid hasn't done shtein. Bad Coach. Fire the coach.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 07, 2008, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 07, 2008, 06:48:17 PM
Quote"I think it's a group, I don't agree with the fact that you have to have, the quote here that you asked me about, the 'number one receiver to get you to the Super Bowl' and all that. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think that as long as a quarterback and the receivers are on the same page, which I felt like we finished that way, that good things can happen and you can go to a Super Bowl and win it."
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14946
can't really argue with him here...it's not like they had a #1 when they went to the SB that one year
The frustrating thing is, if he wasn't such a stupid farging coach, he would've made the SB in 2002 with James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell and Chad Lewis. He's right, you can go to the SB and win it without a bonefide #1. If you can farging coach, which he clearly can't. Belichek did it a couple of times. Good Coach. Reid hasn't done shtein. Bad Coach. Fire the coach.
You can win a SB w/o a bonefide #1 WR if you also have an excellent defense AND special teams. Which the Eagles don't. A stud WR will allow another area a little slack but there are a number of holes before going to a SB, much less winning it, is a reasonable possibility.
didnt fitz mention something during the season? or was it a rumor? i remember reading somewhere that he was unhappy that the cardinals are more of a running team now and he wanted to be traded. i think that was back when leinart was still the QB.
McNabb seems to disagree (http://yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/Lets_Add_Some_Weapons/63574) with Andy on this issue:
QuoteNow that the season is over and we are concentrating on 2008, I hope we are able to secure some playmakers in all three phases of the game. Maybe some of those playmakers are already on the roster but have struggled with injuries, myself included, that have held us back a little.
You can't argue with how the Patriots went outside their locker room and stocked up on playmakers last year. It certainly helped to have Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Wes Welker and Adalius Thomas making plays for them all year.
I'm surprised that anyone would have a problem with me, or anyone else in the organization, expressing a desire to bring in more quality players. We were 8-8. There is room for improvement. This is a competitive sport. It's about putting together the best players, the best team, and giving yourself the best chance to win.
We didn't disrespect anyone when we traded for Takeo Spikes or signed Kevin Curtis last year. I don't think the Patriots were being disrespectful to Troy Brown or Reche Caldwell when they brought in Moss, Stallworth and Welker. Over the past few years, when the 49ers added Nate Clements, the Seahawks added Julian Peterson, the Giants added Plaxico Burress, the Colts added Adam Vinatieri, it was in an effort to add playmakers. In each case the team identified a way to improve and they took action.
I don't think that's being disrespectful to any of my teammates. It's certainly not my intention. I bet that anyone who wants to see the Eagles win – from Mr. Lurie, to the entire locker room, to every Eagles fan who bleeds green would agree.
Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh look at McNabb whine. Boooo hooo hooo hooo hooo!
BTW, that's one of the strongest and most well spoken statements I think I've ever seen him make.
controversy in 3...2...1...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 08, 2008, 09:10:43 AM
BTW, that's one of the strongest and most well spoken statements I think I've ever seen him make.
I'll agree with the 'strongest'ness of his statement. You saying that it was well-spoken, however, is racist. You racist.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2008, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 08, 2008, 09:10:43 AM
BTW, that's one of the strongest and most well spoken statements I think I've ever seen him make.
I'll agree with the 'strongest'ness of his statement. You saying that it was well-spoken, however, is racist. You racist.
I see what you did there.
Harbaugh interviewing for Ravens job (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.ravens08jan08001517,0,665825.story)
That will make his boy Munson happy. If you hadn't heard, he'd like to see Harbaugh get a shot as a head coach.
I am happy for him.
He cares.
McNabb has my vote.
It would be nice if the FO would listen to McNabb, but we know that isn't going to happen.
If you need to purge your breakfast, READ THIS (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14958&spadaro=1).
Billy Sampy!
Mike Gasperson!
if he thinks bill sampy or mike gasperson is better than any of the top four guys now then the current wr's are worse than any poll or eagle live show could ever say...and if you dont think sampy or gasperson can imporve the wr's then why write all that...
please tell me what the farg is he talking about. Is this a way to say, "hey eagle fans, if we dont get anybody we have sampy and gasperson to hold the fort, so dont worry." So tired of reading garbage from him
I want to hit Spadaro with my car
Spadaro's bullshtein can unite even the most different of Eagle fans against him.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 08, 2008, 09:10:56 AM
controversy in 3...2...1...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3187772
Oh, and some of the comments after that article made me want to start shooting femoral arteries.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 09, 2008, 11:28:38 AM
Oh, and some of the comments after that article made me want to start shooting femoral arteries.
This one made me laugh
QuoteI liked it better when Boston had crappy teams, metrosexual dudes, and ugly girls. Now they got awesome teams, same metrosexual dudes, and even uglier girls.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 09, 2008, 10:11:13 AM
If you need to purge your breakfast, READ THIS (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14958&spadaro=1).
Billy Sampy!
Mike Gasperson!
I actually laughed out loud at that. Maybe it's just me but I can't believe anyone, and I mean ANYONE would ever consider either one of those two stiffs (or Jamal Jones - LOL!) legitimate NFL players. Both of them have Arena Football League written all over them.
As for Spadaro... meh... we all know what he does. His job now appears to be to rile up the masses and keep them focused on the Eagles no matter what that takes. Anyone looking for legitimate factual football-related take from him deserves what they get.
Well, we did "address" the TE-H-back(?)-question mark position by Andy Thorn and Stephen Spach. Those were the days.
Celek solves all. I don't want to hear any talk of upgrading that position again!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/12/30/week17/6.html
Quote
c. Chad Johnson, by the way, sounds like a man who wants out. Wouldn't be surprised -- nor would several of my NBC peers -- if Bill Parcells, who is not afraid of bigmouths, deals his first pick in the third round to Cincinnati for Johnson.
If it only takes a 2nd, I would be beyond angry if the Eagles didn't get him.
peter king is a douche
Quote from: SunMo on January 09, 2008, 02:59:00 PM
peter king is a douche
fact. he and madden fight over who gets to finger favre in the bunghole.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3188207
Westbrook named to AP NFL All Pro first team.
Gocong didn't make it.
OUTRAGEOUS!
After he got one sack this season, too. Blasphemy.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 09, 2008, 10:11:13 AM
If you need to purge your breakfast, READ THIS (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=14958&spadaro=1).
Billy Sampy!
Mike Gasperson!
MUST.
KILL.
SELF.
No wait! Don't jump! You didn't read the rest of the article. Forget about Bill Sampy and Gasperson. The article said we picked Jamal Brown! From the Saints. He had 6 catches in 12 games! Yeah I know that was in '06 and he was waived after a knee injury last year.
...on second thought...you got any cool stuff you could put me in your will for?
I'm already down for Don's Eddie Aikau competition t-shirt. Anything else is fair game.
i know everyone already knows that dave is a douche who is probably forced to believe or forced to write what he does but he actually wrote that he does not know what McNabb's comments mean.
i know i shouldnt be reading his stuff or the official board but for some odd reason the only 2 sites i can access at work are the eagles site and this site. cruel.
the eagles had their other mouthpiece eskin on the radio yesterday killing mcnabb...saying he should just shut up and play
a world of difference from 04 when mcnabb came out and said get me some playmakers...you have to wonder if either mcnabb is trying to talk himself out of the city or if the continuing friction btwn him and the FO will cause them to trade him
How could anyone possibly be upset about what McNabb said? Everything he said was 100% reasonable and accurate and he still practically apologized for saying it as he was saying it.
This team makes me so angry.
and how is it a world of difference?
in 04 i remember him saying he wanted TO on the team.
in 08 he is saying the team could use playmakers.
sounds similar but of course everything has changed now since the eagles have not made the playoffs and are no longer the top team in the NFC East.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 10, 2008, 08:48:20 AM
How could anyone possibly be upset about what McNabb said? Everything he said was 100% reasonable and accurate and he still practically apologized for saying it as he was saying it.
This team makes me so angry.
I agree.
And the idiot fans that buy into it (and Eskin and the FO spew) need to be flogged with an AIDS infested wooden pole.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 10, 2008, 08:51:09 AM
and how is it a world of difference?
in 04 i remember him saying he wanted TO on the team.
in 08 he is saying the team could use playmakers.
sounds similar but of course everything has changed now since the eagles have not made the playoffs and are no longer the top team in the NFC East.
settle down fanboy
i was referring to the teams response to what he said
i bet reid had the same response back then.
reid always has the same response.
but then again i never read what spads said bck then so maybe it is different.
and thats why i asked how it is different. i know the result will be different...that yr TO wanted to come to the eagles and not go to the ravens so bad he forced his way onto the team.
lips were locked last time...nothing was said
this time andy and banner have the pit bulls out going after mcnabb
i wouldnt even discount that the team goes out and does some of what mcnabb is suggesting...its just interesting to see how things have changed since 04 in terms of the team and mcnabbs relationship
Quote from: rjs246 on January 10, 2008, 08:48:20 AM
How could anyone possibly be upset about what McNabb said? Everything he said was 100% reasonable and accurate and he still practically apologized for saying it as he was saying it.
This team makes me so angry.
Yep. And you also have to look at the way he said it. There's no way that this statement could be taken in the "whiney" fashion that a lot of his other statement/comments are taken. It's a legitmate complaint without sounding complacent.
i loved everything he said as well and the way he said it
i just wish it had happened in an interview on wip comcast or with one of the papers instead of on a gay blog
I don't see how any one with a head on their shoulders could bash McNabb for what he said. Honestly if you don't agree with what he said you should reevaluate the way you think.
any one media organization that writes negatively about that comment is just stirring the played-out, saga driven, every off-season McNabb pot....no different
The sad part about it is Eskin of all people has balls. He's been crying for help for a while now, but McNabb says it and he has to shut up and just play...f-in hypocrite
what are you talking about...you clearly dont listen to eskin...hes almost as big a shill for the front office as dave and has never called out for anything...for example he says at least 15 times a day how they dont need a wr upgrade and that the wr's are fine
hes the ultimate media mouthpiece for banner and is boys with him and andy
i think the only thing ive heard him criticize the front office for in the last five years is the kick returner thing this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2008, 11:35:52 AM
what are you talking about...you clearly dont listen to eskin...hes almost as big a shill for the front office as dave and has never called out for anything...for example he says at least 15 times a day how they dont need a wr upgrade and that the wr's are fine
hes the ultimate media mouthpiece for banner and is boys with him and andy
i think the only thing ive heard him criticize the front office for in the last five years is the kick returner thing this year
And in return he gets his "exclusive" interviews
Quote from: fansince61 on January 10, 2008, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2008, 11:35:52 AM
what are you talking about...you clearly dont listen to eskin...hes almost as big a shill for the front office as dave and has never called out for anything...for example he says at least 15 times a day how they dont need a wr upgrade and that the wr's are fine
hes the ultimate media mouthpiece for banner and is boys with him and andy
i think the only thing ive heard him criticize the front office for in the last five years is the kick returner thing this year
And in return he gets his "exclusive" interviews
EXACTLY
he also gets access to closed practices
its pathetic
blah blah blah, its all media bullshtein to stir the get rid of mcnabb pot. if this team gets rid of mcnabb, you can say goodbye to any chance at a SB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2008, 11:35:52 AM
what are you talking about...you clearly dont listen to eskin...hes almost as big a shill for the front office as dave and has never called out for anything...for example he says at least 15 times a day how they dont need a wr upgrade and that the wr's are fine
hes the ultimate media mouthpiece for banner and is boys with him and andy
i think the only thing ive heard him criticize the front office for in the last five years is the kick returner thing this year
Then you need to listen more on the internet instead of assuming, because its obvious your not an every day listener.
There have been numerous times, ESPECIALLY the Monday after a game where he bitches that the offense "just isnt good enough" over and over. Its obvious what hes talking about. You dont have to be Columbo to read between the lines. He's just slick about it. He has come out plenty of times to his audience and said their needs to be changes, but doesnt think there will be any..blah blah. He just wont harp on it for the reasons you stated above.
Now when the QB of the team expresses concern, he bitches...thats hypocritical and sucking Eagles bird
From the horse's mouth this afternoon:
QuoteThe Eagles will add a WR, but I don't know if it will come in the draft or in free agency or in a trade. I truly believe that.
< Close thread. >
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2008, 10:36:21 AM
i loved everything he said as well and the way he said it
i just wish it had happened in an interview on wip comcast or with one of the papers instead of on a gay blog
I was listening to Jim Rome during lunch and he started ripping into McNabb a little bit basically for the exact reason you brought up.......him saying it in a blog and not in an interview or to the team.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2008, 02:07:38 PM
From the horse's mouth this afternoon:
QuoteThe Eagles will add a WR, but I don't know if it will come in the draft or in free agency or in a trade. I truly believe that.
< Close thread. >
4rth round draft pick it is!
he will have the hands of na brown, the body of pinkston, the motor of trash, the ability of freddie mitchell!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2008, 02:26:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2008, 10:36:21 AM
i loved everything he said as well and the way he said it
i just wish it had happened in an interview on wip comcast or with one of the papers instead of on a gay blog
I was listening to Jim Rome during lunch and he started ripping into McNabb a little bit basically for the exact reason you brought up.......him saying it in a blog and not in an interview or to the team.
1. Don't listen to Jim Rome. He's a Hoyda.
2. How the hell do we know what he's said to the team?
Imagine the interview/presser and how many times that would get played on ESPN over and over and over. Theres more controversy and more for the media (Jim Rome) to talk about
Writing in a blog gets his points across in a kind of subtle but meaningful way to the FO. Cant see why he cant knock on the door and ask. Maybe he did? The media will talk and rip him about it for the time being, but it wont last as long as an interview on ESPN or Comcast presser IMO.
Hearing and seeing someone saying it is much more powerful I agree, but it can also blow up in your face nationwide a lot more. He might of made a good move there...we'll see
cheeeese
why do all your posts read like an overly excited and optimistic child of gallagher
I mean if your thinking the same thing I am, just come out and say it. No need to hate
The jealousy is cheeeese.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 10, 2008, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2008, 02:26:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2008, 10:36:21 AM
i loved everything he said as well and the way he said it
i just wish it had happened in an interview on wip comcast or with one of the papers instead of on a gay blog
I was listening to Jim Rome during lunch and he started ripping into McNabb a little bit basically for the exact reason you brought up.......him saying it in a blog and not in an interview or to the team.
1. Don't listen to Jim Rome. He's a Hoyda.
2. How the hell do we know what he's said to the team?
1. He's funny when he's not busy being a moron and sometimes he pulls off both at the same time.
2. We don't and Rome probably doesn't either.
3. I posted it because apparently Jim Rome agrees with igy.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2008, 02:07:38 PM
From the horse's mouth this afternoon:
QuoteThe Eagles will add a WR, but I don't know if it will come in the draft or in free agency or in a trade. I truly believe that.
< Close thread. >
Every year, they add "a" WR. Nice.
Quote3. I posted it because apparently Jim Rome agrees with igy.
Inflate ego in 1...2....
haha, like IGY cares about Jim Rome
Doesn't everyone?
Igy tells me what to think...i tell the world...and so on
you too..damn. we are all squirrels
anyway, here comes a slew of fight words from the one and only
baby gallagher is reaching now and its kinda sad
not only do i not care about jim rome but some bitchmade midget boardwalk roller blader from la shouldnt even be speaking on the eagles
Quote from: SunMo on January 10, 2008, 04:35:22 PM
Igy tells me what to think...i tell the world...and so on
maybe if we argued and disagreed more people wouldnt think that
You guys flip a coin to see who gets to change their opinion next time you agree on something.
Quotebaby gallagher is reaching now and its kinda sad
not only do i not care about jim rome but some bitchmade midget boardwalk roller blader from la shouldnt even be speaking on the eagles
yep....thaaaats it...get it all out...there ya go wittle igy.
when you find out what a USB port is and get out of your moms basement, then come talk to me Baby Hughey
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2008, 04:47:09 PM
You guys flip a coin to see who gets to change their opinion next time you agree on something.
give me a coin
Quote from: SunMo on January 10, 2008, 04:50:38 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2008, 04:47:09 PM
You guys flip a coin to see who gets to change their opinion next time you agree on something.
give me a coin
you dont get a coin till i get out of ma dooks basement...one day my ship will come into the usb port...i just know it!...and when it does tailgate drinks on me
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2008, 04:43:58 PM
baby gallagher is reaching now and its kinda sad
not only do i not care about jim rome but some bitchmade midget boardwalk roller blader from la shouldnt even be speaking on the eagles
Thought he was getting the King Cole treatment, the faux ignore button.
thats when i thought he was king cole...i may have been wrong on that tho...not sure he still may be...but either way hes to good to ignore...
Anyone think maybe McNabb is making comments about personel because he's sick of not having the weapons that other top qb's have and hopes that he does get traded?
He's not going to be traded.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2008, 04:43:58 PM
...some bitchmade midget boardwalk roller blader from la shouldnt even be speaking on the eagles
Somewhere Chuggie is crying his eyes out right now...
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2008, 05:58:24 PM
Anyone think maybe McNabb is making comments about personel because he's sick of not having the weapons that other top qb's have and hopes that he does get traded?
i think if he wanted to be traded he would say as much.
when players want to be traded and make enough of a fuss they usually get their wish.
McNabb is all about good public relations. He doesn't want to be the guy who comes out and wrecks the team because of appearing selfish. Whether or not he wants out is irrelevant. Unless some dumb ass team comes along and offers the moon and stars for him he'll be here in 2008 and maybe even 2009. And I'd be fine with that too so long as they get some game-breakers in there for him.
All that said, I would feel bad for the guy if they never got him the sort of talent that he deserves to play with at the skill positions. I'd feel worse for myself as a fan but I'd still feel bad for Donovan. He's done more with less than any other quarterback in the league except for Brady over the past 10 years and that's a shame.
Thanks Fat Man.
Brady also had/has a coach that makes his QB better by gameplanning using his QB's skills.
You mean passing 40-50 times a game without decent receivers is a bad thing?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2008, 07:17:21 PM
You mean passing 40-50 times a game without decent receivers is a bad thing?
In all fairness, Belicheck tried that last year.
The key difference is that he learned his lesson.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2008, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2008, 07:17:21 PM
You mean passing 40-50 times a game without decent receivers is a bad thing?
In all fairness, Belicheck tried that last year.
The key difference is that he learned his lesson.
Right, he went out and got 2 #1s and Welker and still threw the ball that many times.
THat offense doesn't work for Philly.
nm
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 10, 2008, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2008, 07:17:21 PM
You mean passing 40-50 times a game without decent receivers is a bad thing?
In all fairness, Belicheck tried that last year.
The key difference is that he learned his lesson.
no the key difference is that belichek has a qb that can do it with any wr's and when he has good ones he puts up the single best season ever...you mention he tried to do it last year like they were 8-8...they pulled a titantic choke blowing almost a 3 td lead on the road against the sb champion in the conference championship game...its not like it didnt work for them
You don't think the Eagles could win a Super Bowl if they had Moss and Welker instead of Brown and Avant?
not with their defense....but what does that have to do with anything
you were saying that belichek made the same mistake last year of throwing the ball 40 times a game with weak wr's...im just saying thats what they should do if they have tom brady no matter who the wr's are
New England was a 12-4 team that scored 385 points last year with shtein receivers.
They got Welker, Stallworth & Moss and scored almost 200 more points and went undefeated. They were a pass first offense last year and had success. They were a pass first offense with incredible weapons this year and didn't lose a game.
There's a lesson in there somewhere.
the lesson is if you wanna go undefeated and win a superbowl with tom brady get great wr's...if you just wanna win a superbowl with tom brady get avg wr's
by Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
EAGLES general manager Tom Heckert still appears to be the leading candidate to get the Atlanta Falcons' GM job once owner Arthur Blank ends his wild goose chase for Southern California coach Pete Carroll.
According to two league sources, the Falcons could offer the job to Heckert as soon as this weekend. The team interviewed several other personnel executives in the last 2 weeks, including Patriots director of college scouting Tom Dimitroff, Packers pro personnel director Reggie McKenzie, Packers personnel analyst to the general manager John Schneider and Jaguars director of college scouting Gene Smith.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2008, 09:54:18 AM
by Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
EAGLES general manager Tom Heckert still appears to be the leading candidate to get the Atlanta Falcons' GM job once owner Arthur Blank ends his wild goose chase for Southern California coach Pete Carroll.
According to two league sources, the Falcons could offer the job to Heckert as soon as this weekend. The team interviewed several other personnel executives in the last 2 weeks, including Patriots director of college scouting Tom Dimitroff, Packers pro personnel director Reggie McKenzie, Packers personnel analyst to the general manager John Schneider and Jaguars director of college scouting Gene Smith.
Who would be the leading cantidate to replace Heckert if he did leave?
Sean Taylor
some guy named Licht who would be promoted from within.
Does Heckert actually do anything??? I'm not into the FO, but I know all you have your opinions so give it too me
Quote from: 4and26 on January 11, 2008, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2008, 09:54:18 AM
by Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
EAGLES general manager Tom Heckert still appears to be the leading candidate to get the Atlanta Falcons' GM job once owner Arthur Blank ends his wild goose chase for Southern California coach Pete Carroll.
According to two league sources, the Falcons could offer the job to Heckert as soon as this weekend. The team interviewed several other personnel executives in the last 2 weeks, including Patriots director of college scouting Tom Dimitroff, Packers pro personnel director Reggie McKenzie, Packers personnel analyst to the general manager John Schneider and Jaguars director of college scouting Gene Smith.
Who would be the leading cantidate to replace Heckert if he did leave?
Five Fo
Licht or Howie Roseman, but Roseman is Banner Lite
Quote from: mussa on January 11, 2008, 11:27:19 AM
Does Heckert actually do anything??? I'm not into the FO, but I know all you have your opinions so give it too me
I think Heckert did about as much general managing as Childress did offensive coordinating.
good ridance then, one less asshat not doing anything, just fitting in and saying what they want you to say
Quote from: mussa on January 11, 2008, 11:43:30 AM
good ridance then, one less asshat not doing anything, just fitting in and saying what they want you to say
Only to be replaced by another I'm sure.
drinking kool aid, drinking kool aid....
no one knows for sure but my take is like this
in terms of player eval heckert via his scouting dept does 95% of it...meaning watching games all year...getting film on players then evaluating them then grading them..after that they get listed out on a board..first by best overall then by position
andys 5% is going to an all star game or two then the combine and of course some film watching
as for the pick itself reverse it...
andys 95% would be determing team needs then going on heckerts board and watching some film on players that fit those positions and deciding who he likes the best
heckerts 5% would be giving his opinion when asked and possibly even recommending a pick or even making one in some of the lower rounds
They're like Abbott & Costello only totally different.
Heckerts departure will give AR 100% control as they promote a toady. Yet the amount of rope he gets cannot be more than a season or two. Another year like this and maybe a real GM is in the cards. A disaster...who knows? McNabb, Dawkins, Ryunan, etc. go and rebuilding commences - maybe without fatboy.
Look to 09 or 10 if the team isn't really "a hair away" in 08.
Pray Kotite dies.
Andy already has 100% control. He's had it since Modrak was pushed out the door.
I agree with Rome. Which Rome? You'll never know.
right
just because you cant do 100% of the work (especailly when you have two jobs) doesnt mean you dont have 100% control
Andy delegates a lot to his trusted minions.
You know, like Tammy.
So basically, what you're saying is:
Tammy:Reid Household::Morningwhig:Offense
Supposedly if Heckert is hired his first move will be to get Spagnuolo from the Giants to be the Falcons HC. I wish Blank would just make a decision already, not sure why this process is taking so long.
Pete.
Carroll.
nm
didnt caroll already turn it down?
Reports are that Carroll is still in discussions.
That would be a monumental mistake for him.
But it would be a monumental windfall for his bank account. He'd probably be the first coach in history to get ten million a year.
how dumb can authur blank be
Quote from: SunMo on January 11, 2008, 04:26:59 PM
how dumb can authur blank be
That sounds like a dare.
Bengals.com (http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6588)
Quote[Chad Johnson is] telling some people he'll never play for the Bengals again and Philadelphia fans already think he's tradeable and headed to the Eagles.
ha
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 12, 2008, 12:58:46 PM
Bengals.com (http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6588)
Quote[Chad Johnson is] telling some people he'll never play for the Bengals again and Philadelphia fans already think he's tradeable and headed to the Eagles.
ha
IN!
farg, I just noticed Rosenhaus is his agent.
sound like the TO situation again.
this morning on the sunday nfl countdown (yeah even though its saturday...i dont get why they cant just call it saturday countdown for these days) berman mentioned something about moss being a FA and how McNabb has recently requested playmakers.
GET CJ!
We'll end up with DJ.
Hackett.
The Birds have plenty of Rosenhaus clients on the team, don't they? I mean, christ, the guys represents a third of the nfl.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
The Birds have plenty of Rosenhaus clients on the team, don't they? I mean, christ, the guys represents a third of the nfl.
The only two that Wikipedia lists are Jevon Kearse and Jerome McDougle.
Owens, Kearse, McDougle.... his clients work out so well for the Eagles it's amazing that the team don't sign more of them.
Schefter is reporting that Heckert did NOT get the Atlanta job.
Tom Dimitroff, the Patriots Director of Scouting, gets it instead.
falcons not that dumb?
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 12, 2008, 04:56:14 PM
Schefter is reporting that Heckert did NOT get the Atlanta job.
Tom Dimitroff, the Patriots Director of Scouting, gets it instead.
Damn, I was sort of hoping he'd make like a tree and go to Atlanta.
i rather get a receiver without mental issues...i prefer a white mormon wideout with 4.3 speed
I met a guy tonight on the DC metro after a night of drinking--y0u'll be happy to know I drank my douchebag pals under the table--who claims to know Hank Baskett.
I told him that we give Hank much love.
^^^^
lol
drunky drunkerson
QuoteRegarding Heckert, there's now a question as to how things will go for him in Philly. There are whispers of strain between Heckert and team president Joe Banner. As we hear it, Eagles owner Jeff Lurie recommended Heckert to the Falcons -- and the fact that Heckert's current team would try t0 help him leave might have spooked Falcons owner Arthur Blank.
nice to know banner the accountant has so much power in this organization.
Banner seems to have a likability problem with a lot of people. Maybe being an arrogant, insufferable, know-it-all douchebag might have something to do with that?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 13, 2008, 02:14:17 PM
Maybe being an arrogant, insufferable, know-it-all douchebag might have something to do with that?
that always seems to be where i go wrong, so probably
Yeah, I was going to say... it's not as if we're missing out on those people here at :CF.
Cincinnati.com (http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080113/COL04/801130404/-1/CINCI)
QuoteChad on way out?
NFL insider: QB McNabb wants another playmaker
BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM
One of the hottest NFL rumors this offseason, besides the coaching carousel, is the question of whether the Bengals will trade four-time Pro Bowl wide receiver Chad Johnson.
One of the top suitors could be the Philadelphia Eagles, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer.
Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb wants another playmaker on offense, and it's conceivable, the paper reported, that the Eagles might be interested in orchestrating a trade for Johnson - who just turned 30 Wednesday.
Johnson, who has six consecutive 1,000-yard receiving seasons, is represented by agent Drew Rosenhaus, widely believed to be the source of all Johnson-related rumors.
Still, the Eagles would make an intriguing trade partner for the Bengals if they were to choose to move Johnson. Philadelphia has a wealth of defensive players who could help the Bengals bolster the perennially weakest part of their team.
ummmm
I hear they love them some Takeo Spikes in Cincy.
Cincy is stupid.
They'd trade for Kearse knowing he'll be cut anyways.
Or they could be salivating over a package that would include Darren Howard, Chris Gocong and Sean Considine.
I got some drool listening to that list, too. But it's angry drool, not sexy drool.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 13, 2008, 08:27:23 PM
I hear they love them some Takeo Spikes in Cincy.
Done. Spikes a second and a fourth for Johnson, and we'll throw in Andy Reid. And since it's the Bengals, we'll throw in Ried's kids too (they could be the Otho Davis and Butch Buchanico of Cincy).
If we could get Chad Johnson for any three members of our defense, pull the trigger.
Especially if it involves Dawkins. He's done anyway.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 14, 2008, 08:36:14 AM
If we could get Chad Johnson for any three members of our defense, pull the trigger.
Especially if it involves Dawkins. He's done anyway.
:sly
Anyone else catch Sheldon Brown on Sports Final last night? When asked about not having enough playmakers on defense and being dead last in takeaways, he replied "What good are turnovers when the offense doesn't do anything with them?" ouch
He also said they should have cut Trotter earlier. Cutting him at the end of August screwed with the locker room....
that was right after he gave Donovan a subtle shot about the "playmakers" blog saying "I don't like to throw anybody under the bus"
Howard was the ultimate embarrassment last night though
boy knows whats up.
You might of figured Donovan's comments were going to slap some teammates in the face
in donovans defense he did say on the blog that he was one of the people holding the team back
i also dont undersatnd how you can take offense to your starting qb calling out he fact that they lack playmakers...thats what a leader should do
the problem here is that mcnabb has been milquetoast for his entire career in this dept...so him doing this now reeks a little bit of insincerity...because you kinda gotta question if hes really doing it for the betterment of the team or if hes trying to get himself out of town
Howard was screaming, doesn't the defense have to do a better job? Sheldon asks, how many times did we give up 17 or less? John Clark says 8 times....he asks how many times the offense scored 17 or less, Clark says 10 times...he just looks at Howard. Howard screams, "I don't care about that, it's about turnovers!"
hahaha
in a nutshell thats pretty much his radio show everyday when it comes to the eagles
What's the deal with the 17 point thing? I know J.J. always preaches it but that figure sure comes up a lot when they start talking about the defense.
Seems weird to me.
It seems that 17 points is the magic number defensively across the league. Most teams win when they allow 17 or less points. Most teams lose when they allow more than 17 points.
It's only 4 less than 21. That's too close to not have any significance with regards to Sean Taylor.
Yeah, I figured as much. Still, it annoys me whenever I hear them spouting off about not giving up more than 17 points, though. The idea should be to shut the fargers out, not give up two touchdowns and a field goal every game. I mean, I know it is, but if a defensive coordinator is happy with giving up that many points on defense then something's wrong here.
Does the 17 point avg. include the special teams farg up in Green Bay and Feeley's 7 ints in two weeks?
Defense ain't so bad after all.
The defense was actually very good this year. The deserved criticism is from the lack of game-changing big plays. They were solid but unspectacular. So, again... turnovers would have made a big difference.
so were they very good or solid?
Which one is more like milquetoast?
they were solid. very good defensive teams create turnovers and are consistent. look at the great defenses...did they not produce lots of turnovers?
i dont know did they?
I think so?
Forcing turnovers wasn't even a real issue with this defense this year. Yeah, they would have likely benefited from more take aways but they didn't really "need" them in order to win games. What really killed them this year was their inability to make key stops in the 2nd half of games and the offense's inconsisencies, both of which got better towards the end of the year.
Week 1 vs GB - Eagles defense had 2 take aways. 1 Int, 1 FumRec. Lost by 3 points, 10 of which came from botched punt returns.
Wee 2 vs Was - Eagles defense had 1 take away (int). Offense had no turnovers. Gave up a 4th qtr td and lost by 8.
Week 4 vs NYG - Even turnover ratio (1 each). Offense didn't score until the 4th qtr (FG). Lost by 13.
Week 7 vs Chi - No turnovers. Couldn't stop Chicago in the 4th qtr. Gave up 2 FG's and GWTD.
Week 9 vs Dal - 1 take away (int). Gave up 17 points in 2nd half.
Week 12 vs NE - 0 take aways. Only allowed 1 second half score (td in 3rd qtr).
Week 13 vs Sea - 2 take aways (1 FR, 1 int). Allowed 1 2nd half score (td in 3rd qtr).
Week 14 vs NYG - 2 take aways (2 FR). Allowed 10 points in 2nd half (td, fg in 3rd qtr).
In their 8 losses they had a total of 9 take aways. On the season they had 19. So basically 50% of their take aways came during losses. To me, that doesn't mean that they need more take aways to win games. They won 8 games and only had 10 take aways. And no, I'm not trying to argue that take aways are meaningless. More take aways = better odds of winning. I know that.
This season simply came down to the defense not making those one or two plays they needed to in the 2nd half of ball games and it came down to the offense simply being too inconsistant. Of course, those are the things that make a team 8-8.
But it's not all doom and gloom though. Lots of positives came out of this season and as long as the right additions (Chad Johnson)/subtractions(Howard/Kearse/Considine) are made this offseason, then I really don't see why this team can't quickly elevate themselves back to the top of the NFC.
You're trying too hard. Drink more.
I'm on duty tonight so it's not that I'm drunk. I'm bored.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 14, 2008, 07:19:39 PM
I'm bored.
Imagine how we feel after having read it.
I was going for suicidal but you're still posting. Guess I'll have to try harder next time.
I have a feeling that they are going to acquire Javon Walker.
1. His price tag will not be as high as the one slapped on Chad Johnson, Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald.
2. He was in the Nova Care Complex (shout out to LeCharles Bentley) a couple years ago working on a contract and was thought to be headed here until he was dealt to Denver.
3. That means this FO already likes him. He's got a cheap(er) price tag, the Eagles have 13 draft picks and he's had injury concerns.
That says Future Eagle like nothing else, IMO.
Javon Walker, Kevin Curtis & Reggie Brown = good enough to win
bad knee FA says Philadelphia Eagle like nothing else
Quote from: Diomedes on January 14, 2008, 09:10:40 PM
bad knee FA says Philadelphia Eagle like nothing else
You forgot "good character guy".
isn't everyone with a bad knee a good character guy?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2008, 09:03:36 PM
2. He was in the Nova Care Complex (shout out to LeCharles Bentley) a couple years ago working on a contract and was thought to be headed here until he was dealt to Denver.
Didn't that turn out to be a false rumor started by some limo driver who called WIP and said he picked Walker up at the airport? Or am I thinking of someone else.
Anything higher than a 3rd and I'd pass
Walker went back on his trade request anyway...he wants to stay in Denver
But does Denver still want him? He hasn't exaclty been worth the money they've been shelling out to him and the emergence of Brandon Marshall just might make Walker a little more expendable.
Having said that, Walker is still only about 4th or 5th on the list of recievers I'd like them to bring in.
Me too. Which means that Baskett pretty much needs to find himself a new number.
Javon Walker - yay.
another washed up vet who may have something still in the tank
oh he's an eagle guaranteed
Eagles secondary coach John Harbaugh is considered the "fallback option" if Baltimore fails to land Jason Garrett as its new head coach.
Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti seems clearly to be targeting a young head coach who will be around for awhile. Garrett could be offered the job Tuesday. Source: Carroll County Times Jan 15 10:01 am
Quote from: SunMo on January 14, 2008, 11:15:37 PM
Walker went back on his trade request anyway...he wants to stay in Denver
where did you read this?
Quote from: reese125 on January 15, 2008, 10:45:03 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 14, 2008, 11:15:37 PM
Walker went back on his trade request anyway...he wants to stay in Denver
where did you read this?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3187735
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 15, 2008, 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: reese125 on January 15, 2008, 10:45:03 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 14, 2008, 11:15:37 PM
Walker went back on his trade request anyway...he wants to stay in Denver
where did you read this?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3187735
He leaves the door wide open in that article though.
Yeah, he does. But he's definitely moved away from the "I want to be traded" stance.
I'd say he's got about a 30% of starting next season with the Broncos. And if he's not traded, he'll likely be cut due to his salary. The only way he stays in Denver is if he agrees to restructure and take a pay cut.
yes he does
this was Sunday but who knows what to take from it. Im not too happy the fact he needs Micro-surgery according to Shanahan.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_7963288 (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_7963288)
i dont have the quote in front of me but im pretty sure shanahan said he thinks walker will need mirco frac surgery in the next three years or something like that...not that he needed it now...and actually if he did say that that its pretty irresponsible
the health issue worries me but considering that the eagles will not make a movie for chad johnson (or the benglas will not trade him) and no one else is available...a starting 3 of walker, curtis, and brown is much better than curtis, brown, baskett/avant.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2008, 12:02:56 PM
i dont have the quote in front of me but im pretty sure shanahan said he thinks walker will need mirco frac surgery in the next three years or something like that...not that he needed it now...and actually if he did say that that its pretty irresponsible
Didn't some defensive tackle from the Falcons sue their ass for making some comments about possible injuries/surgeries when the dude was a free agent? Grady Jackson maybe? Definately farged up to do somehting like that though. It would be like going to an all black wedding and someone dropping word that you're white before you even get there.
I dont exactly trust Shanahan. Granted, saying he needs that kind of surgery drives his market value down, but we're not talking about the smartest guy around either. This is the guy who goes Meet The Parents on his players with lie detectors.
Who knows, maybe Walker pissed him off and he's trying to drag his name through the mud.
I'll take Walker as a fall back option.
Curtis & Brown are decent receivers but getting Javon Walker into the mix with them would make the Eagles much more dangerous in the passing game.
I'd rather them get a tight end who's a legitimate pass catching threat with size and speed, though.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 15, 2008, 08:38:12 PM
I'd rather them get a tight end who's a legitimate pass catching threat with size and speed, though.
....like???
David Boston.
The chances of the Eagles going out and getting an elite tight end are smaller than the chances that Brent Celek will evolve into an elite tight end. And those chances are pretty small.
The three more likely scenarios (in order of likelihood) are:
1. The Eagles will draft a WR that will barely play next year.
2. The Eagles will not upgrade significantly at WR. They might add a yawn-inspiring free agent.
3. The Eagles will trade for a playmaker WR.
eagles will not bring LJ back.
celek is the starter next season.
they migh add a #2 or #3 WR of another team to be the #3 here but i have a feeling they feel like they are fine with brown and curtis starting.
they will bank on mcnabb being healthy and playing like he did early 06.
i just hope they actually try to improve the defense.
From PE:
"potential unrestricted free agents after the 2008 season: Dawkins, William Thomas, McDougle, Moats, Sean Considine, Jon Runyan, Scott Young, Correll Buckhalter, Takeo Spikes and Hank Baskett."
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unrestricted free agents on February 28: William James, Reno Mahe, L.J. Smith, Thomas Tapeh and Kimo von Oelhoffen. Joselio Hanson and J.R. Reed are scheduled to be restricted free agents. "
No big losses this year aside from L.J.
I just noticed that Joselio is an RFA. I'd be happy if they gave that dude an extension. He's progressed nicely, and is shaping up to be a nice nickel corner. And he's already much better than Will "I'm better than Lito" James.
Hanson and Reed are the only 2 that I'd really like to see them bring back. I like Tapeh as well and think he's an adequate FB at the very least and wouldn't mind him coming back either.
James, Mahe, Smith and KVO are all dead to me.
J.R. Reed is a cripple. They need to upgrade the safety position, not keep bringing back guys without tread on their tires.
That goes for Buckhalter too. Great guy, inspiring story how he came back from devastating injuries but retaining guys like him are one of the main reasons why this team is .500 over the past three years.
Get. Talent. Now.
yup the cripple gotta go...in fact they all can go to hell..except...
buck...iused to feel the same way as you romey but he looks to be all the way back to me...and besides does the back up tailback position really mean anything on this team...might as well keep a guy that knows the system
lol @ tony hunt not being able to get on the field because he struggles in blitz pick up...what a joke
The problem I have with keeping Buck is that if and when Westbrook goes down, he's the primary running back on the team. If that happens then the Eagles have no shot at winning anything.
Hunt isn't the answer either. Get a real running back in there and quit giving us duds like Ryan Moats.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2008, 09:45:59 AM
lol @ tony hunt not being able to get on the field because he struggles in blitz pick up...what a joke
Buckhalter used to suck at that too. Now he's marginally passable.
Hunt is a bust, he shouldn't have been picked any higher than the 5th. Buck is a damn good back up and would have no problem re-signing him.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 16, 2008, 10:51:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2008, 09:45:59 AM
lol @ tony hunt not being able to get on the field because he struggles in blitz pick up...what a joke
Buckhalter used to suck at that too. Now he's marginally passable.
im talking about reid being the joke...why should a short yardage power back have to know the blitz picks ups to get in the game...use him in specific situations where his strenghts can be utilized...its not like hes the starting half back and getting in 45 plays a game
also your blitz pick up packages shouldnt be that difficult to learn
Quotealso your blitz pick up packages shouldnt be that difficult to learn
and this is coming from a former NFL RB like yourself right?
i wonder how Adrian Peterson learned it so well, it's a miracle he was able to play in his rookie year...HE DIDN'T KNOW THE BLITZ PICKUPS!
Quote from: SunMo on January 16, 2008, 11:46:06 AM
i wonder how Adrian Peterson learned it so well, it's a miracle he was able to play in his rookie year...HE DIDN'T KNOW THE BLITZ PICKUPS!
for real
id like to see running backs taken on the first day of the draft over the last ten years who essentially didnt play their rookie years because they couldnt learn blitz pick ups
if you just arent that good of a rb then so be it every pick doesnt pan out...but to sit someone cause they arent 100% proficient in blitz pick ups is mind boggling
between this and it taking 3-4 years for wr's to learn the offense is enough to make you go crazy
Buck averaged 5.0 ypc this year with 4 rutd's. In his one start against the Giants he carried the ball 17 times for 103 yards. Not even sure why we're discussing this right now anyway since he's under contract for 2008 and isn't hurting the cap. But if he has another year like he did this year then he should definately be retained.
yeah i don't understand all the hate on buck. when he was in the game, he looked very good this year.
Who's hating? I said he should be replaced because if Westbrook went down he wouldn't be capable of being the starter for an extended period of time.
Say Westbrook went down in the preseason. Does anyone here really want Correll Buckhalter starting 15 games for the Eagles and getting 15-20 carries a game?
Come on.
He's living on borrowed time. That's why I want him gone.
J.R. Reed should be replaced too for the same reasons. He looked good when he was collapsing motherfargers' lungs out there but not so good when receivers were flying past him because his speed is gone.
I'm sick of gimps and castoffs on this team. I want talent, speed, and youth on the Eagles. Is that wrong?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 16, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
Say Westbrook went down in the preseason. Does anyone here really want Correll Buckhalter starting 15 games for the Eagles and getting 15-20 carries a game?
Come on.
If the choices are him or any other RB the Eagles have had for the last 5 years, yes.
The problem comes in game three of his starting gig when he blows out both knees, seven vertebrae and his o-ring and suddenly Tony Hunt is starting. Buckhalter in spot duty is fine. Buckhalter starting is guaranteed to result in injury. Just someone with some talent and durability as a backup would be a nice fallback plan.
Replace Westbrook with Buckhalter in game 1 of this past season and have him play the entire season as the #1. What record would they have finished with if everything else played out the same way?
Do they even win 4 games without Westbrook? I don't see how.
The Eagles have a ton of holes to fill but in my opinion getting someone to replace your #1 offensive weapon in the event of a catastrophic injury should be pretty high on the list.
Of course, the Eagles don't look at it that way. They're thinking about 3-5 years down the line all the farging time.
Speaking of Hunt...
QuoteHunt had a chance to impress every day in practice and he did not do so. I am down on the guy. I was down on Bunkley at this point last year, too. I see how Hunt approaches things and he needs to be more mature and push himself more.
:-D
if youre going by the ability to replace a starter then there are a dozen backups on the team that should go before buck
i think youre undervaluing buck romey because of how good westbrook is...no one is going to replace 36 if he goes down and the offense is going to have to change accordingly...buck would be a competant replacement
For a game or two. Beyond that, do you really trust him to stay healthy as well as contribute? I don't.
Pick your poison:
There's no "talent" behind westbrook, the backup RB position has been ignored!
or
They drafted a backup RB too early, therefor the front office is trying to screw westbrook out of a job and/or money!
I don't want a guy with 50 knee operations being placed in a position where he's one hit away from being a year-long starter.
If some of you do, that's fine. Agree to disagree.
I actually agree with IGY in that there are much bigger concerns than backup running back on the team, but if they can upgrade Buckhalter I wouldn't exactly be upset with seeing him go.
They need to replace starters as well. The point of this argument concerned the running back situation, though. That's why I didn't address IGY's comments that veered off the running back topic.
i have the same amount of confidence in the starting qb finishing next season as i do the back up running back
exactly, and buck has played two full injury-free seasons. i'd say he's less injury prone than our two biggest stars at the moment.
Most of the team is talent-prone.
Slaton!
Slaton!
Slaton!
Slaton!
So, we want another guy that's like Westbrook, but not as good?
hey, watch it, i think you mean a poor man's reggie bush.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 16, 2008, 02:23:12 PM
hey, watch it, i think you mean a poor man's reggie bush.
What the hell is a poor man's Reggie Bush? Ryan Moats?
The dual Moats backfield! You can't defend that!
Quote from: phattymatty on January 16, 2008, 01:50:59 PM
exactly, and buck has played two full injury-free seasons.
So has Thomas Tapeh. Doesn't mean I want him to be the feature back either.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 16, 2008, 03:40:21 PM
So has Thomas Tapeh. Doesn't mean I want him to be the feature back either.
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Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 16, 2008, 01:05:13 PM
Replace Westbrook with Buckhalter in game 1 of this past season and have him play the entire season as the #1. What record would they have finished with if everything else played out the same way?
Do they even win 4 games without Westbrook? I don't see how.
The Eagles have a ton of holes to fill but in my opinion getting someone to replace your #1 offensive weapon in the event of a catastrophic injury should be pretty high on the list.
So I guess the Eagles should get Tony Romo to be their back up qb incase McNabb goes down. And maybe get Tony Gonzalez incase Celek gets hurt. Oh, and Champ Bailey incase Lito or Sheldon get run over by a bus.
So unless LT or maybe Adrian Peterson is backing up Westy, this team is likely screwed if Westbrook goes down for the season. You don't build a roster on "what ifs." You build it thinking that your starters are going to play 16 games and that the depth will be able to contribute during the year and can fill in for the short term if need be. Very few teams ever go into a season with 2 starting caliber runningbacks (Minnesota). Typically if a starter goes down and a backup excels it was an unexpected surprise (Green Bay, Kansas City).
Stop being an IGY, Sassy.
I never said we need superstars at the backup positions. Just some fresh, uninjured talent would be nice.
I'm not being an igy. I'm being Sassy!
Define 'uninjured'. You want a runningback who's never been injured? Ever?
at least two years and one month.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 16, 2008, 04:58:38 PM
I'm not being an igy. I'm being Sassy!
Define 'uninjured'. You want a runningback who's never been injured? Ever?
I want 22 Pro Bowlers starting.
And Jessica Alba.
Naked.
And coked out. And diddling her brownwinker.
My dream is to bang her while she's giving a rim job to Rosario Dawson.
Hey, it could happen.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 16, 2008, 08:57:49 PM
And coked out.
Not if she intends to earn a decent, honest wage in this town. You farging junkie.
Lewis says Chad's not giong anywhere
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3200777
Sounds similar to T.O.'s rant after the 2003 season.
i thought this thread was about chad lewis. what a rip.
It made no sense for them to ever deal him to begin with, but it could be all fluff.
If not, then this changes to Roy Williams(the WR) bandwagon.
speaking of roy williams...
i was listening to the mike and maddog radio show while driving home from work here in NYC.
most of the talk was about the giants and packers (btw giants fans think they are beating the packers no doubts)...but then one caller from jersey called to ask mike about the eagles trading for chad johnson.
mike said "i doubt they would trade him and i think lewis came out today and said he wouldnt....the eagles do need a WR to go along with mcnabb and westbrook...ill give you a name you should for...hes really talented and available...roy williams".
the caller asked about fitz and mike responded by saying he is not available but that roy williams is attainable.
now i heard about roy williams trade rumors but did the team actually say anything? how is he anymore attainable than chad johnson or fitz?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2008, 09:28:35 AM
Don't know if this was posted anywhere.....it's a week old but I haven't been on the board much for the last few days.
http://tsn.sportingnews.com/
Apparently the Lions may be shopping Roy Williams.
QuoteThe Lions will begin getting word out that WR Roy Williams is on the trading block. It wouldn't hurt the Lions to stockpile draft picks, but the front office would prefer to acquire a veteran defensive player. Don't be surprised if the Lions put together a combination deal involving both Williams and DT Shaun Rogers to entice someone to give up a quality player. ...
And TSN seems to think that McNabb isn't going anywhere.
QuoteLooking at the quarterback problems many teams have, it's hard to believe the Eagles will trade Donovan McNabb. Kevin Kolb is not ready to start, and McNabb's performance improved late in the season. McNabb is only 31 and figures to play more confidently next season, when he will be a full year removed from knee surgery. The Eagles will surely get offers for McNabb, but don't expect them to bite. ...
meh.
i was hoping it was something out of millens mouth.
Imo the Lions want to trade Roy Williams because otherwise people would laugh at them if they used their first roundpick on a WR. But that's just me.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 17, 2008, 09:55:09 PM
meh.
i was hoping it was something out of millens mouth.
Millen isn't going to say they would trade him. It completely takes away the leverage. They have to go after Roy. Even give up a 1st if they have to. He is a stud and still young.
For what it's worth, the Lions are looking for secondary guys, especially corners. And yes it would take a lot more than old Brian Dawkins to trade for Williams and Rogers.
1st and Spikes?
1st 3rd and Mikell?
Get Roy Williams BAMN
1st and Spikes is way too damn much. I'd say there's an outside shot you could get Williams for a second rounder straight-up. Next year he's a UFA and he's definitely gone. This is the last chance for the Lions to get anything from him leaving.
Rogers is dead weight to the Lions for a lot of reasons, that's basically a poison pill in the trade. I doubt he commands any significant additional value.
2nd, Mikell, and a 4th in 2009
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 18, 2008, 12:10:54 AM
1st and Spikes is way too damn much. I'd say there's an outside shot you could get Williams for a second rounder straight-up. Next year he's a UFA and he's definitely gone. This is the last chance for the Lions to get anything from him leaving.
Rogers is dead weight to the Lions for a lot of reasons, that's basically a poison pill in the trade. I doubt he commands any significant additional value.
Bingo.
IF Philly trades for Williams, it's a 3rd or maybe a 2nd. That's it. Hell, Moss was only a 4th for the Pats.
Williams for Eagles 3rd. Book it.
Moss was a 4th because he had hamstring and character issues, and is around 30. Plus he said publicly he wanted out, which took all leverage away from the Raiders. On top of that, there were only two suiters, so no bidding war. Williams is 25/26, has no lingering injury issues, has no character issues either. The Lions would be moronic to deal him for a 3rd.
I say early to mid 2nd rounder. Maybe even late first. 3rd? no way.
Remember... Moss was dealt for a 4th, but Branch was also dealt for a 1st and Walker for a second.
Fraley and a 6th
Why in the hell would anyone want to go trading Mikell?
KingCole, your proposed trade is ridiculously too much for Williams.
It's probably only worth taking time to point out when King Cole makes sense.
I'm just wondering who those calling to trade Mikell would replace him with?
And if you say "Considine", please log off and flog yourself.
Cole actually makes sense, despite the fact that Millen is an awful GM why would he just give up Williams for peanuts when almost every team in the league would take him for that? The guy was a top 10 pick, is young and still has an upside. There's no way the Eagles give up anything significant for him when they wouldn't even send a 2nd round pick to SF for TO. I was hoping Chad Johnson was getting shipped and that the Bengals were just looking to rid themselves of him for the sake of the team, that way the Eagles might be interested because he'd come on the cheap.
OK, then you answer the question....who would you have as our starting safety then?
My problem isn't trading for Williams...its the idiotic thought process that leads anyone to believe that we would be okay without Mikell in the secondary.
I guess they'd have to sign someone would be the most logical answer. I wouldn't want to give up Mikell either but if we're offering say a 2nd and Millen wants Mikell you give Quentin a pat on the ass and say thanks for your contribution to the team have fun in Detroit.
Obviously, you haven't heard that Sheldon Brown would be great as a safety!
They could always draft a safety and let JR Reid play until that guy is ready. He proved himself a decent stopgap.
No.
Quote from: SunMo on January 18, 2008, 10:03:51 AM
They could always draft a safety and let JR Reid play until that guy is ready. He proved himself a decent stopgap.
JR
Reed isn't ready/capable of being a starting safety.
Are you on the pipe again SunMo?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2008, 10:01:50 AM
Obviously, you haven't heard that Sheldon Brown would be great as a safety!
Flog.
Isn't Sean Taylor a free agent?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 18, 2008, 10:01:45 AM
I guess they'd have to sign someone would be the most logical answer. I wouldn't want to give up Mikell either but if we're offering say a 2nd and Millen wants Mikell you give Quentin a pat on the ass and say thanks for your contribution to the team have fun in Detroit.
As far as I'm concerned, there are other players that Millen the Moron would agree to. You don't offer up your starting safety with Millen. You throw slop at him and see what sticks.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 18, 2008, 09:45:29 AM
I'm just wondering who those calling to trade Mikell would replace him with?
And if you say "Considine", please log off and flog yourself.
I don't get it either. Mikell is the only potential long term solution this team has at either safety position. I'm totally in favor of the Eagles agressively going after Williams, even if it means "over paying" a little bit. But I'd much rather see them give up extra draft picks than a young player who is good right now and has potential to be even better.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 18, 2008, 10:06:40 AM
Isn't Sean Taylor a free agent?
Damaged goods.
You need a nice, strong femoral artery if you want to make it in the NFL these days.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 18, 2008, 10:01:45 AM
I guess they'd have to sign someone would be the most logical answer. I wouldn't want to give up Mikell either but if we're offering say a 2nd and Millen wants Mikell you give Quentin a pat on the ass and say thanks for your contribution to the team have fun in Detroit.
If it comes down to it and that's the ONLY deal that Detroit is willing to make, then I'd agree. But Millen is a schmuck so you offer up less than that. Hell, give him Considine and Joselio and a draft pick.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 18, 2008, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 18, 2008, 10:03:51 AM
They could always draft a safety and let JR Reid play until that guy is ready. He proved himself a decent stopgap.
JR Reed isn't ready/capable of being a starting safety.
Are you on the pipe again SunMo?
only the meat pipe
Quote from: SunMo on January 18, 2008, 10:23:23 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 18, 2008, 10:06:02 AM
Are you on the pipe again SunMo?
only the meat pipe
High five?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 18, 2008, 10:06:40 AM
Isn't Sean Taylor a free agent?
But in all seriousness, the Eagles should probably play with only one safety on D next year out of respect for Sean's family and Andy Garcia's niece.
btw did they ever release andy garcia's niece pic?
i need to put a face to the umm tragedy.
She's hot.
GOOGLE (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jackie+garcia&btnG=Google+Search)
the more pages this thread makes about a wide receiver = Reid and Co. getting Alan Faneca.
I mean...all McNabb needs is more time right?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 18, 2008, 09:52:37 AM
OK, then you answer the question....who would you have as our starting safety then?
My problem isn't trading for Williams...its the idiotic thought process that leads anyone to believe that we would be okay without Mikell in the secondary.
You obviously would have yo sign or draft someone.
Quote from: King Cole on January 18, 2008, 03:56:18 PM
You obviously would have yo sign or draft someone.
Sean Considine, Jr., won't be available for another 20 years minimum!
sean considine makes as many tackles as you make good jokes
So, he's as good as the generic-brand condoms you used in college?
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Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2008, 03:59:28 PM
So, he's as good as the generic-brand condoms you used in college?
con-dom?
whaaaaaaaa?
College?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2008, 03:59:28 PM
So, he's as good as the generic-brand condoms you used in college?
Fred, how much did you say your tickets are going for at the Laugh Factory? I'm in
a ringing endorsement for sure
I saw a comedy show on saturday that was 1/2 excellent and 1/2 really excellent.
The excellent part was the headliner who was really hilarious. The really excellent part was the warm-up act who was a female. She didn't get more than five laughs from people in the audience during her entire 20 minute set. There were several times it was so quiet that you could literally hear the refrigerator compressors whirring in the background. Just dead silence.
It was the coolest thing I've ever seen at a show.
Quote from: SunMo on January 18, 2008, 04:10:08 PM
a ringing endorsement for sure
My brief moment of vindication was undoubtedly spoiled, but I will rise to conquer again, unlike your vas deferens.
I think you have to give up Mikell though if it gets you Roy Williams. He is pro bowl caliber and would instantly make our offense better. Not only that, but at 25/26 he puts to rest this WR issue that plagues this team every year. Can you envision a season without bitching abour our receivers?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 18, 2008, 04:12:21 PM
I saw a comedy show on saturday that was 1/2 excellent and 1/2 really excellent.
The excellent part was the headliner who was really hilarious. The really excellent part was the warm-up act who was a female. She didn't get more than five laughs from people in the audience during her entire 20 minute set. There were several times it was so quiet that you could literally hear the refrigerator compressors whirring in the background. Just dead silence.
It was the coolest thing I've ever seen at a show.
you should've heckled her...told her to make you a turkey pot pie and shtein like that
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
My brief moment of vindication was undoubtedly spoiled, but I will rise to conquer again, unlike your vas deferens.
i'm actually pretty sure they used their supernatural powers to fuse themselves back together again
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 18, 2008, 04:12:21 PM
The really excellent part was the warm-up act who was a female. She didn't get more than five laughs from people in the audience during her entire 20 minute set. There were several times it was so quiet that you could literally hear the refrigerator compressors whirring in the background. Just dead silence.
It was the coolest thing I've ever seen at a show.
There was no need to mention her gender, sexist.
I was a guest and was pretty much told to be on my best behavior so I kept my trap shut.
There were a few times when I almost let loose but I didn't. My bar tab was about 100 bucks and our host comped everyone, so it was worth it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 18, 2008, 04:17:33 PM
I was a guest and was pretty much told to be on my best behavior so I kept my trap shut.
There were a few times when I almost let loose but I didn't. My bar tab was about 100 bucks and our host comped everyone, so it was worth it.
i was going to call you a fag until you said the host comped the bar tab...you get an exception for that
otherwise...fag
Go Eagles!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 18, 2008, 04:12:21 PM
She didn't get more than five laughs from people in the audience during her entire 20 minute set. There were several times it was so quiet that you could literally hear the refrigerator compressors whirring in the background. Just dead silence.
She must have been awful because even this douchebag got a couple of laughs. I'm certain they must have been friends of his though. (http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=22990177)
From the EMB:
QuoteTakeo Spikes was on 610 WIP and when discussing improving for next season Spikes said he was talking to Chad Johnson last week(ex-teammates) and Chad Johnson asked Spikes what it would take to get Chad in Philly. Spikes said he doesn't know he's not GM, but he said he'd love to have Chad here.
I feel like Johnson would get along well with McNabb.
:paranoid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 19, 2008, 11:53:08 PM
From the EMB:
QuoteTakeo Spikes was on 610 WIP and when discussing improving for next season Spikes said he was talking to Chad Johnson last week(ex-teammates) and Chad Johnson asked Spikes what it would take to get Chad in Philly. Spikes said he doesn't know he's not GM, but he said he'd love to have Chad here.
Wow, that sounds like he specifically wants to come to Philly. WR is the only position I would over pay for. I'd give up the first round pick for either him or Roy Williams. He just signed a 6 year contract for '06 but I'm sure Rosenhaus will push for a new contract if Johnson is traded. His current contract would actually be fairly team friendly to receive.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 19, 2008, 11:53:08 PM
From the EMB:
QuoteTakeo Spikes was on 610 WIP and when discussing improving for next season Spikes said he was talking to Chad Johnson last week(ex-teammates) and Chad Johnson asked Spikes what it would take to get Chad in Philly. Spikes said he doesn't know he's not GM, but he said he'd love to have Chad here.
It's T.O. all over again.
Too bad Donny isn't going to the Pro Bowl so they can make kissy faces at each other.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 20, 2008, 07:50:28 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 19, 2008, 11:53:08 PM
From the EMB:
QuoteTakeo Spikes was on 610 WIP and when discussing improving for next season Spikes said he was talking to Chad Johnson last week(ex-teammates) and Chad Johnson asked Spikes what it would take to get Chad in Philly. Spikes said he doesn't know he's not GM, but he said he'd love to have Chad here.
It's T.O. all over again.
Get Ocho Cinco avatars.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 20, 2008, 10:00:23 AM
Too bad Donny isn't going to the Pro Bowl so they can make kissy faces at each other.
Ha.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 20, 2008, 10:35:17 AM
Get Ocho Cinco avatars.
No. Stop.
i hate the comparisons between chad johnson and TO. they are nothing alike. the only thing they have in common is their TD celebrations. chad johnson does not cause problems.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 20, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
chad johnson does not cause problems.
Except for occasional screaming outbursts against his QB and coaches, and the whole begging to be traded thing. Yep, nothing like TO.
I like Johnson, I would love him on the Eagles, and no I don't think he's another TO. But to claim they're "nothing alike"... well that's going a bit too far.
Big thing about Johnson is that while he does have the occasional outburst on the sideline with his QB and/or coaches, he's never thrown a teammate under the bus like TO did.
I don't have a problem when a reciever gets pissed off because the ball isn't going his way. Recievers should be pissed about that. By nature, recievers are/should be greedy and want every pass thrown their way. Especially recievers like Johnson who have the ability to make the catch even when a defender has great position on him.
Hugely speculative rumor not mentioned or discussed yet? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Stallworth-could-consider-a-return-to-Philadelph?urn=nfl,62616)
Quote
The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Donté Stallworth could come back to the Philadelphia Eagles after he wins a Super Bowl ring with New England.
Stallworth is due a monstrous bonus in February, one the Patriots likely won't pay because they will have to spend money to keep Randy Moss.
Stallworth qualifies as a playmaker and probably one who would be acceptable to the Eagles' high-maintenance quarterback, Donovan McNabb.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer
Stallworth and Curtis as the wideouts sounds good to me, that's a lot of speed to account for.
I'd take a combo of Stallworth and Curtis in a heartbeat, add in ocho cinco....awww yeah
I'd take Stallworth back, didnt want him to leave the first time.
McNabb high maintenance? Ha.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2008, 03:02:09 PM
I'd take Stallworth back, didnt want him to leave the first time.
McNabb high maintenance? Ha.
Same thing I thought, HA!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2008, 03:02:09 PM
I'd take Stallworth back, didnt want him to leave the first time.
McNabb high maintenance? Ha.
besides TO has he had any trouble with any WR?
anyway at this point i would take stallworth but it shouldnt be the first option.
I'd take Stallworth... if he came WITH Chad Johnson.
I don't think McNabb is high maintenance.
I Think he's been shtein on so much (by the FO for not giving him ANYTHING to work with with the exception of ONE season) that he deserves to say anything he wants to say.
Sure, bring back Stallworth....but he's still not a #1.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 20, 2008, 07:04:06 PM
I don't think McNabb is high maintenance.
I Think he's been shtein on so much (by the FO for not giving him ANYTHING to work with with the exception of ONE season) that he deserves to say anything he wants to say.
Sure, bring back Stallworth....but he's still not a #1.
All true. The only way the Eagles get another true #1 with AR in charge is by accident. Think finding Westbrook in the third round...that kind of accident.
McNabb is a whiner. Good player. But a whiner.
maybe but outside of TO i have never heard of him not getting along with his WR.
well freddie but then again no one considers him a real WR. besides reid.
If we get both, then Reggie Brown would be the highest paid #4 receiver ever.
If "we" get both, then Reggie Brown won't be a Philadelphia Eagle next season.
All you Brown fans out there can relax though. Pretty sure that's not going to happen.
How big would the cap hit be?
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2008, 07:26:49 PM
McNabb is a whiner. Good player. But a whiner.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 20, 2008, 07:04:06 PM
I don't think McNabb is high maintenance.
I Think he's been shtein on so much (by the FO for not giving him ANYTHING to work with with the exception of ONE season) that he deserves to say anything he wants to say.
Sure, bring back Stallworth....but he's still not a #1.
and he deserves to whine about it. Look at the slop he's given each and every year.
Trotter is on Sports Final right now
-- the Eagles don't value locker room leaders
-- McNabb will be back to superstar status next season
-- they need playmakers on both sides. Lito and Cole are the only playmakers on defense, and Sheldon makes a few plays
-- on the upcoming MLB battle, says Gaither is a leader but Bradley is more physical and better suited for the spot
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 20, 2008, 11:45:04 PM
Trotter is on Sports Final right now
-- the Eagles don't value locker room leaders
-- McNabb will be back to superstar status next season
-- they need playmakers on both sides. Lito and Cole are the only playmakers on defense, and Sheldon makes a few plays
-- on the upcoming MLB battle, says Gaither is a leader but Bradley is more physical and better suited for the spot
Oh my!
Brady pissed and moaned they let Branch go, Lord Farve whined about Moss. If McNabb has to go out of house to show the fat farg upstairs he needs a playmaker wr like he had to do for to, then so be it.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 20, 2008, 11:45:04 PM
Trotter is on Sports Final right now
-- the Eagles don't value locker room leaders
-- McNabb will be back to superstar status next season
-- they need playmakers on both sides. Lito and Cole are the only playmakers on defense, and Sheldon makes a few plays
-- on the upcoming MLB battle, says Gaither is a leader but Bradley is more physical and better suited for the spot
I'm telling you, they're really high on Gocong at SAM and are probably hoping for a 2009 LB core of Gaither-Stewart-Gocong.
Of course to IGY this is horrible.
well unless they all improve tremendously it is horrible to everyone.
the eagles need playmakers not some guys they are high on. how many times have they been high on a player only to see that player dissapoint and not be in the league anymore?
still i would be fine with the LB corps as it is if they actually went out and improved the safety, DE, and WR positions.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 20, 2008, 10:07:11 PM
If "we" get both, then Reggie Brown won't be a Philadelphia Eagle next season.
All you Brown fans out there can relax though. Pretty sure that's not going to happen.
I dont know if thats sarcasm....I think it is.....I hope it is.
If you put Reggie Brown on the practice field running routes with Nate Washington, Arnaz Battle, and Robert Ferguson do think you could tell them apart?
Greg Jennings...better than any of our receivers and he's a number two in GB. Get some fargin weapons
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 21, 2008, 08:30:47 AM
well unless they all improve tremendously it is horrible to everyone.
the eagles need playmakers not some guys they are high on. how many times have they been high on a player only to see that player dissapoint and not be in the league anymore?.
it really is amazing...its hilarious to hear sheeple like munson not be able to defend any of the linebackers with their play and instead use the defense that "they are really high on them"...as tho that makes everything ok...they also were high on matt mccoy and barry gardner and mark simenou ect ect ect
the only hope is that jj did say after the season that none of the linebacker spots are set...the problem is you actually have to go out and get players better than what they have...i dont see them doing that...i see them putting gocong bradley gaither and takeo into a hat and pulling out names and positions and see who goes where...its kind of depressing
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2008, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 21, 2008, 08:30:47 AM
well unless they all improve tremendously it is horrible to everyone.
the eagles need playmakers not some guys they are high on. how many times have they been high on a player only to see that player dissapoint and not be in the league anymore?.
it really is amazing...its hilarious to hear sheeple like munson not be able to defend any of the linebackers with their play and instead use the defense that "they are really high on them"...as tho that makes everything ok...they also were high on matt mccoy and barry gardner and mark simenou ect ect ect
the only hope is that jj did say after the season that none of the linebacker spots are set...the problem is you actually have to go out and get players better than what they have...i dont see them doing that...i see them putting gocong bradley gaither and takeo into a hat and pulling out names and positions and see who goes where...its kind of depressing
it is depressing.
consider this...after hearing yr in and yr out how much depth they have on the O and D line ....both lines need upgrades again.
they never find a DE.
LBs will be left as is.
i am scared that safety will left as is and they will just hope dawkins remains healthy and mikell plays at a high level.
they will try to get maybe one FA defensive player but i do not see a big name being added.
offensively they will continue to shove curtis's 1000 yd season down our throats and hope a healthy mcnabb makes all the difference.
if they dont add playmakers to the front seven then expect to see more of the same next year...a dearth of turnovers and an inability to stop teams when you most need to
i think the bottom line is that we must accept the fact that the linebackers are the defensive version of the wr's...its just a position they dont care about and never will...so like you said you gotta hope they get a bigtime defensive end and then improve the safties
Quote from: phattymatty on January 20, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
i hate the comparisons between chad johnson and TO. they are nothing alike. the only thing they have in common is their TD celebrations. chad johnson does not cause problems.
Just to be clear I wasn't comparing the players, just the situation. And they are alike in two ways... they're both annoying, attentionwhoring iceholes and they are both flat-out great football players. I just don't know if the drama is worth it.
TO is as mentally imbalanced as anyone I've ever seen. Like britney spears imbalanced.
Chad Johnson is nothing like TO except the fact that he's a loudmouth.
There were stories a few years back about Johnson calling Marvin Lewis in the middle of the night crying with ideas for the offense.
Even if they were true I'd like him on the Eagles. Sissy.
I just had a thought... what if Britney & T.O. had a kid together?
:poison
Quote from: Father Demon on January 20, 2008, 02:28:55 PM
Hugely speculative rumor not mentioned or discussed yet? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Stallworth-could-consider-a-return-to-Philadelph?urn=nfl,62616)
Quote
The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Donté Stallworth could come back to the Philadelphia Eagles after he wins a Super Bowl ring with New England.
Stallworth is due a monstrous bonus in February, one the Patriots likely won't pay because they will have to spend money to keep Randy Moss.
Stallworth qualifies as a playmaker and probably one who would be acceptable to the Eagles' high-maintenance quarterback, Donovan McNabb.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer
I was actually thinking this might be a possibility yesterday while watching the games. I don't know if the Eagles will go after him again but I think there's a very strong possibility the Pats release him. He's got the big bonus coming along with the fact that he hasn't really done all that much this year outside of a couple good games in the middle of the season. I'd love having him back but he's not at the top of my list.
Johnson
Williams
Stallworth
Walker
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 21, 2008, 11:56:08 AM
I just had a thought... what if Britney & T.O. had a kid together?
:poison
Think I Am Legend meets Jackass
My memory of last offseason is fading, but wasn't there some bad blood between the front office and Stallworth? Like Rosenhaus pulling contract shenanigans and then Stallworth's drug test failure leaking out? Then the Eagles offered Ryan Fowler more money than they offered Stallworth? It's all a blur now.
speaking of Ryan Fowler, what the heck happened to him this season? did he ever amount to much?
Quote from: Don Ho on January 21, 2008, 06:52:09 PM
speaking of Ryan Fowler, what the heck happened to him this season? did he ever amount to much?
He had a decent season starting at MLB for the Titans. He ended up on IR the last few weeks of the season though.
So when can we officially start fantasizing about Chad Johnson? March 1st? When does trading and Free Agency start?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2008, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 21, 2008, 08:30:47 AM
well unless they all improve tremendously it is horrible to everyone.
the eagles need playmakers not some guys they are high on. how many times have they been high on a player only to see that player dissapoint and not be in the league anymore?.
it really is amazing...its hilarious to hear sheeple like munson not be able to defend any of the linebackers with their play and instead use the defense that "they are really high on them"...as tho that makes everything ok...they also were high on matt mccoy and barry gardner and mark simenou ect ect ect
the only hope is that jj did say after the season that none of the linebacker spots are set...the problem is you actually have to go out and get players better than what they have...i dont see them doing that...i see them putting gocong bradley gaither and takeo into a hat and pulling out names and positions and see who goes where...its kind of depressing
Hmmm...wow yeah see I don't see where I "defended" the players anywhere just because the Eagles coaching staff is/was high on said player.
I defended Gocong because it was his first year as a starter, his first injury free year, and for a guy who never played LB in his life he didn't do half bad. Infact, he was solid if unspectacular at times. You seem to think, in one season, he's hit a ceiling, all the while proclaiming Bradley better then him by seeing him play in ONE game.
There's a reason why you aren't a coach in the NFL, and it's because you'd be terrible at it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 21, 2008, 11:56:08 AM
I just had a thought... what if Britney & T.O. had a kid together?
:poison
Probably would still be just like TO. Maybe balder.
Personally, I see more of a chance of Spears ending up with Romo though.
Quote from: hbionic on January 21, 2008, 07:20:40 PM
So when can we officially start fantasizing about Chad Johnson? March 1st? When does trading and Free Agency start?
Doesn't matter when Free Agency starts. The only way the Eagles can aquire CJ is
via trade if Reid
quits dies.
Quote from: Munson on January 21, 2008, 07:34:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2008, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 21, 2008, 08:30:47 AM
well unless they all improve tremendously it is horrible to everyone.
the eagles need playmakers not some guys they are high on. how many times have they been high on a player only to see that player dissapoint and not be in the league anymore?.
it really is amazing...its hilarious to hear sheeple like munson not be able to defend any of the linebackers with their play and instead use the defense that "they are really high on them"...as tho that makes everything ok...they also were high on matt mccoy and barry gardner and mark simenou ect ect ect
the only hope is that jj did say after the season that none of the linebacker spots are set...the problem is you actually have to go out and get players better than what they have...i dont see them doing that...i see them putting gocong bradley gaither and takeo into a hat and pulling out names and positions and see who goes where...its kind of depressing
Hmmm...wow yeah see I don't see where I "defended" the players anywhere just because the Eagles coaching staff is/was high on said player.
I defended Gocong because it was his first year as a starter, his first injury free year, and for a guy who never played LB in his life he didn't do half bad. Infact, he was solid if unspectacular at times. You seem to think, in one season, he's hit a ceiling, all the while proclaiming Bradley better then him by seeing him play in ONE game.
There's a reason why you aren't a coach in the NFL, and it's because you'd be terrible at it.
gocong hit his nfl ceiling in college..as in he shouldnt have ever been an nfl linebacker...and if he hasnt hit a ceiling then tell me what hes shown that screams im gonna be a better?...hes smart enough...hes an asian engineer and hes been in the system for two years so you cant use the 'hes gonna learn more'....the only thing left is to point to his athleticism...except that there isnt any
and i never proclaimed bradley better i just said id like to see him more so that it can be determined as to whether he is an nfl linebacker...altho i cant imagine he would be worse than gocong
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2008, 04:52:51 PM
and i never proclaimed bradley better i just said id like to see him more so that it can be determined as to whether he is an nfl linebacker...altho i cant imagine he would be worse than gocong
Bradley's a pale faced round eye so you'd have to atleast assume he's able to see more of the field than Gocong.
behold the pale horse for he can see all
Bradley is supposed to be a MLB. Gocong isn't even an outside linebacker. And yeah, I'll say he's better, because in the one game Bradley was in he played better than I saw Gocong play all season. Next year will probably be Gaither Bradley and Takeo starting. With the way this team played the run this year, that might not be half bad, although it could be better.
Gocong is going to make all of the haters eat their words next season.
Book it.
Hey, I'll be happy to see it. I have no problem with being wrong, it happens.
Shush. I'm trying to pick a fight with whitebread...
you could pick one of 400 other topics and not look so silly
Quote from: shorebird on January 22, 2008, 07:51:08 PM
Hey, I'll be happy to see it. I have no problem with being wrong, it happens.
speak for yourself
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2008, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: shorebird on January 22, 2008, 07:51:08 PM
Hey, I'll be happy to see it. I have no problem with being wrong, it happens.
speak for yourself
Your screamin' for it, but I'm gonna' leave that one alone. ;D
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2008, 04:52:51 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 21, 2008, 07:34:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2008, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 21, 2008, 08:30:47 AM
well unless they all improve tremendously it is horrible to everyone.
the eagles need playmakers not some guys they are high on. how many times have they been high on a player only to see that player dissapoint and not be in the league anymore?.
it really is amazing...its hilarious to hear sheeple like munson not be able to defend any of the linebackers with their play and instead use the defense that "they are really high on them"...as tho that makes everything ok...they also were high on matt mccoy and barry gardner and mark simenou ect ect ect
the only hope is that jj did say after the season that none of the linebacker spots are set...the problem is you actually have to go out and get players better than what they have...i dont see them doing that...i see them putting gocong bradley gaither and takeo into a hat and pulling out names and positions and see who goes where...its kind of depressing
Hmmm...wow yeah see I don't see where I "defended" the players anywhere just because the Eagles coaching staff is/was high on said player.
I defended Gocong because it was his first year as a starter, his first injury free year, and for a guy who never played LB in his life he didn't do half bad. Infact, he was solid if unspectacular at times. You seem to think, in one season, he's hit a ceiling, all the while proclaiming Bradley better then him by seeing him play in ONE game.
There's a reason why you aren't a coach in the NFL, and it's because you'd be terrible at it.
gocong hit his nfl ceiling in college..as in he shouldnt have ever been an nfl linebacker...and if he hasnt hit a ceiling then tell me what hes shown that screams im gonna be a better?...hes smart enough...hes an asian engineer and hes been in the system for two years so you cant use the 'hes gonna learn more'....the only thing left is to point to his athleticism...except that there isnt any
and i never proclaimed bradley better i just said id like to see him more so that it can be determined as to whether he is an nfl linebacker...altho i cant imagine he would be worse than gocong
Yes he's been "in the system" for 2 full years now, but you really underestimate what playing time and practice time can do for a guy. He spent last year on IR, got no game experience, and couldn't practice with the team. All of that showed in the first few games of the season when he looked lost and wasn't getting around the ball. As the season went on he was making more tackles, getting more pressures on his blitzes, meeting guys at the line of scrimmage and not 5 yards off the ball like Dhani Jones was last year.
This will be his 3rd year in the system and probably his 2nd as a starter assuming Bradley doesn't perform well enough to unseat him. He won't be thinking about his responsibility on the defensive calls anymore, he'll KNOW it and he'll be better at reacting because of that. Whether it leads to him making more plays or not remains to be seen. He played well enough this year to prove he deserves another year at it. Hell, if this fargup of a coaching staff gives a stiff like Jones more then 1 year, Gocong certainly deserves it.
My point in saying that coaching staff was high on him there is because I believe they want a future LB core of Gaither at WIL, Bradley at Mike, and Gocong at SAM. I don't think they want to replace Gocong with Bradley, I think they want those two to play along side of each other.
And for the first time in a while I'm not completely disappointed with the LB's they have to choose from. That being said, I wouldn't mind watching Gocong ride the bench if they went out and signed a stud SAM LB. Are there any on the market within Banners spending limit? Probably not...
Quote from: Munson on January 23, 2008, 08:52:26 AM
Yes he's been "in the system" for 2 full years now, but you really underestimate what playing time and practice time can do for a guy. He spent last year on IR, got no game experience, and couldn't practice with the team. All of that showed in the first few games of the season when he looked lost and wasn't getting around the ball. As the season went on he was making more tackles, getting more pressures on his blitzes, meeting guys at the line of scrimmage and not 5 yards off the ball like Dhani Jones was last year.
This will be his 3rd year in the system and probably his 2nd as a starter assuming Bradley doesn't perform well enough to unseat him. He won't be thinking about his responsibility on the defensive calls anymore, he'll KNOW it and he'll be better at reacting because of that. Whether it leads to him making more plays or not remains to be seen. He played well enough this year to prove he deserves another year at it. Hell, if this fargup of a coaching staff gives a stiff like Jones more then 1 year, Gocong certainly deserves it.
My point in saying that coaching staff was high on him there is because I believe they want a future LB core of Gaither at WIL, Bradley at Mike, and Gocong at SAM. I don't think they want to replace Gocong with Bradley, I think they want those two to play along side of each other.
And for the first time in a while I'm not completely disappointed with the LB's they have to choose from. That being said, I wouldn't mind watching Gocong ride the bench if they went out and signed a stud SAM LB. Are there any on the market within Banners spending limit? Probably not...
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How ironic, I considered finding that and using it on the post of yours I quoted.
You really are an idiot.
Quote from: SunMo on January 22, 2008, 07:58:32 PM
you could pick one of 400 other topics and not look so silly
Team Gocong says farg you.
Why does every conversation turn into a retard fight?
Your face is a retard fight.
Could it be that whenever retards converse, they inevitably fight?
It's either that or, whenever retards fight, they inevitably converse. Kind of hard to tell what the actual order of things is around here. Chicken and the egg type stuff.
Those face jokes are actually really funny. Reminds me of 8th grade.
Also, your face is a retard fight is a great name for a band.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2008, 09:59:16 AM
It's either that or, whenever retards fight, they inevitably converse. Kind of hard to tell what the actual order of things is around here. Chicken and the egg type stuff.
:-D
Quote from: methdeez on January 23, 2008, 12:01:06 PM
Also, your face is a retard fight is a great name for a band.
:-D :-D
if only...
http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0305/1130313.html (http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0305/1130313.html)
:puke :boom :boom :'( :-D :'( :'( :boom :boom :puke
Quote from: phattymatty on January 23, 2008, 03:42:51 PM
if only...
http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0305/1130313.html (http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0305/1130313.html)
Ban.
The Eagles might have taken Johnson if Mitchell were off the board, as that scenario indicates.
Oh well. Maybe Johnson would have turned out like Mitchell if the Eagles took him.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 23, 2008, 04:04:29 PM
The Eagles might have taken Johnson if Mitchell were off the board, as that scenario indicates.
Huh? I just double and triple checked that and didn't see Mitchell anywhere in the first round.
Try quadruple-checking and focusing on pick 10.
Ha.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 23, 2008, 04:01:38 PM
Ban.
Why is that? You're happy with the way that first round went for the Eagles?
Quote from: phattymatty on January 23, 2008, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 23, 2008, 04:01:38 PM
Ban.
Why is that? You're happy with the way that first round went for the Eagles?
The "Ask Chad Johnson" section wouldn't have been nearly as popular or longstanding feature on :CF.
Christ that draft sucked. Look at all the busts of the 1st round:
1 Mike Vick (arguably I guess)
2 Leonard Davis (although obviously better now)
3 Gerard Warren
8 David Terrell
9 Koren Robinson
10 Jamal Reynolds
14 Kenyatta Walker
15 Rod Gardner
20 Adam Archuleta
22 Will Allen
24 Willie Middlebrooks (Seriously? 1st round? This guy was terrible)
25 Freddie Mitchell
26 Jamar Fletcher
27 Michael Bennett
28 Derrick Gibson
They're all terrible too. Some players don't live up to expectations but are still decent players, these guys are garbage.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 23, 2008, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 23, 2008, 04:01:38 PM
Ban.
Why is that? You're happy with the way that first round went for the Eagles?
No, because it felt like a kick in the head to read that....and being reminded at how the Eagles drafted makes me want to jump out a window.
iirc the Eagles real target was Rod Gardner who wound up going to the Skins but they settled on Mitchell...sort of like when they wanted Clayton in the '05 draft but settled on Reggie.
Shaun Rogers is available from Detroit. They're willing to trade him or will cut him (reportedly).
Adding him to a rotation of Bunkley and Patterson would be amazing.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2008, 09:28:35 AM
Don't know if this was posted anywhere.....it's a week old but I haven't been on the board much for the last few days.
http://tsn.sportingnews.com/
Apparently the Lions may be shopping Roy Williams.
QuoteThe Lions will begin getting word out that WR Roy Williams is on the trading block. It wouldn't hurt the Lions to stockpile draft picks, but the front office would prefer to acquire a veteran defensive player. Don't be surprised if the Lions put together a combination deal involving both Williams and DT Shaun Rogers to entice someone to give up a quality player. ...
Rogers would make a great addition but DT is far from a priority for this team right now.
i would give up drinking for like a week if it meant the eagles would get roy williams
Way to take one for the team there buddy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2008, 09:20:14 AM
i would give up drinking for like a week if it meant the eagles would get roy williams
Whoa! Whoa! Slow down there Speed Racer. Crawl before you walk. Why don't we start with 48 hrs?
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 24, 2008, 09:44:25 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2008, 09:20:14 AM
i would give up drinking for like a week if it meant the eagles would get roy williams
Whoa! Whoa! Slow down there Speed Racer. Crawl before you walk. Why don't we start with 48 hrs?
48 minutes, even...
he's talking about orange soda. relax
Remember how Corey Simon would show up to camp all out of shape and finally start to turn it on a few months into the season? Rogers is the opposite: he shows up to camp in great shape and lets himself go to shtein as the season goes on. Every season he turns invisible about halfway to 3/4 through.
He also has bad knees, a drug suspension under his belt, a zesty attitude, and his contract is horrible.
No trade for him unless it's the only way to get Roy Williams.
SF paper reporting that Roy Williams can be had for a #2.
He's being linked to the 49ers because of Martz going there.
If that's true, Andy had better be offering a #2 as soon as farging possible.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 27, 2008, 05:13:15 PM
SF paper reporting that Roy Williams can be had for a #2.
He's being linked to the 49ers because of Martz going there.
If that's true, Andy had better be offering a #2 as soon as farging possible.
Think they'd take Kolb?
Seriously (not Kolb, but the rumor), if this was true, do it. Now.
I don't think the Eagles need an upgrade at WR but if Roy Williams could really be had for a 2nd rounder I'd offer that up with a 4th with the quickness. SF's 2nd is obviously higher so Lions would prefer that one over just the Eagles 2nd.
the receivers are fine
Roy Williams for a second rounder? Jesus. That's a no-brainer.
Seriously.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 27, 2008, 06:28:46 PM
Roy Williams for a second rounder? Jesus. That's a no-brainer.
and thats why it will not happen.
he would have to beg to be on the eagles for the eagles to take notice.
then if he begged his way into a trade to the eagles, banner and company would tell us the fans how they made the move they needed to and always do so every offseason.
well banner and company will say that about anyone they sign this off season. spads will say "this is the signing all eagles fans have been waiting for!"
Quote from: rjs246 on January 27, 2008, 06:28:46 PM
Roy Williams for a second rounder? Jesus. That's a no-brainer.
Couldn't agree more.
The Eagles for all their talk about "knowing they need to upgrade the WR position"... there's no way they can afford to let a player like Williams go elsewhere for only a 2nd rounder.
If they did... it'd make it painfully obvious that they had no intention whatsoever of upgrading. The price tag doesn't get much cheaper than that for a player like Williams... unless you're the Patriots.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 27, 2008, 06:28:46 PM
Roy Williams for a second rounder? Jesus. That's a no-brainer.
The 49ers 2nd is better.
Then the Eagles make sure their 2nd (and 4th or 5th or whatever) is better than the Niners' 2nd.
Give they Rayburn and a 4th
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 28, 2008, 08:21:39 AM
Then the Eagles make sure their 2nd (and 4th or 5th or whatever) is better than the Niners' 2nd.
Exactly. It isn't a difficult obstacle to overcome. Especially for a team with a dozen draft picks.
Supposedly McNabb is coming up on ESPN2 with TO's buddy Skip
westbrook came out this weekend and echoed mcnabbs call for more playmakers on the team
apparently Spikes was with him and agreed, which is funny, because his position is one that could be upgraded with a playmaker
Quote from: SunMo on January 28, 2008, 10:01:06 AM
apparently Spikes was with him and agreed, which is funny, because his position is one that could be upgraded with a playmaker
He's not the big time playmaker he was but dude can still play. And I think his 2nd year in JJ's scheme will be a pretty good one.
BTW, I wonder if TKO complains about his shoulder as much as Seabiscut does.
at this point in his career i still think takeo should play the middle...and try and upgrade the outside spots...tho i obviously wouldnt be against getting a stud at any of the three spots
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 28, 2008, 10:03:50 AM
He's not the big time playmaker he was but dude can still play. And I think his 2nd year in JJ's scheme will be a pretty good one.
BTW, I wonder if TKO complains about his shoulder as much as Seabiscut does.
he had a decent year, but forced no turnovers and had 1 sack i think, he def could be upgraded, that's why i thought it was funny
Seabiscuit has a bad shoulder?
Quote from: SunMo on January 28, 2008, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 28, 2008, 10:03:50 AM
He's not the big time playmaker he was but dude can still play. And I think his 2nd year in JJ's scheme will be a pretty good one.
BTW, I wonder if TKO complains about his shoulder as much as Seabiscut does.
he had a decent year, but forced no turnovers and had 1 sack i think, he def could be upgraded, that's why i thought it was funny
I appreciate the irony of his statement as well. I just wanted to argue with you.
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Seabiscuit has a bad shoulder?
That's the scuttlebutt.
Quote from: SunMo on January 28, 2008, 10:01:06 AM
apparently Spikes was with him and agreed, which is funny, because his position is one that could be upgraded with a playmaker
Spikes was guest-hosting on a local radio station here and they had Westbrook call in. Like IGY said, he mentioned the need for playmakers on offense and Spikes was backing him up. It was pretty funny though at one point, Westbrook mentioned defensive playmakers as well... Spikes went kind of quiet.
ha....look who found jobs in the new All American Football League:
Darnerien McCants (#38 overall to Tennessee)
Freddie Milons (#91 overall to Alabama)
Tee Martin (#95 overall to Tennessee)
Rod Smart (#215 overall to Tennessee)
(This league also has Peter Warrick and Chris Leak on the Florida team, which is coached by Shane Matthews. Sounds like a winner....)
I just caught McNabb talking about Tom Brady and how dominant he is and it made me exceptionally angry.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2008, 10:28:13 AM
ha....look who found jobs in the new All American Football League:
Darnerien McCants (#38 overall to Tennessee)
Freddie Milons (#91 overall to Alabama)
Tee Martin (#95 overall to Tennessee)
Rod Smart (#215 overall to Tennessee)
(This league also has Peter Warrick and Chris Leak on the Florida team, which is coached by Shane Matthews. Sounds like a winner....)
What about Zamir Cobb and Rodney Wormley?
they're being interviewed for mds' next article
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 28, 2008, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2008, 10:28:13 AM
ha....look who found jobs in the new All American Football League:
Darnerien McCants (#38 overall to Tennessee)
Freddie Milons (#91 overall to Alabama)
Tee Martin (#95 overall to Tennessee)
Rod Smart (#215 overall to Tennessee)
(This league also has Peter Warrick and Chris Leak on the Florida team, which is coached by Shane Matthews. Sounds like a winner....)
What about Zamir Cobb and Rodney Wormley?
Don't forget Na Brown.
From what I've been reading, the McNabb appearance is brutally boring and they've been discussing Tiger Woods and Kobe-vs-LeBron
Coaching updates:
Sean McDermott => secondary coach (after a year of coaching the LBs)
Bill Shuey => linebackers coach (from defensive quality control)
Otis Smith => asst. secondary coach (from secondary intern)
Mike Caldwell => defensive quality control coach (from training camp LB intern)
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2008, 11:51:01 AM
From what I've been reading, the McNabb appearance is brutally boring and they've been discussing Tiger Woods and Kobe-vs-LeBron
I've been dropping into the kitchen at the office to check it out and I can concur. Hideously boring. Shouldn't McNabb be in arizona or something. Rehabbing or doing situps or blogging about his deepest thoughts?
Apparently the only noteworthy thing was that McNabb got mad when Skip said "New England doesn't have a Winston Justice"
what does that even mean?
bayless is an idiot and its a disgrace that espn gives him airtime
They were discussing the Super Bowl (McNabb picked the Patriots), and McNabb made a comment about the Giants defensive line putting pressure on Brady and Skip decided to bring up the Giants killing McNabb at the Meadowlands...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2008, 12:30:48 PM
what does that even mean?
bayless is an idiot and its a disgrace that espn gives him airtime
Amen...
And what exactly does McNabb 'getting mad' constitute? Did he do something other than flash his goofy grin and chuckle like a mongoloid? Did he cry a little?
He castrated Bayless with his teeth.
i think he cried and said "that's my teammate"
I've always stood up for my offensive linemen!
I worked so hard this year...
With friends like that, who needs enemies? Justice nearly got McNabb killed.
:-D :-D :-D
i love you guys! thanks for the laughs. much needed as i farging hate this time of year. no birds, pathetic all star games, sixers stink, phillies FO are a bunch of tools, etc.
Hopefully it went something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNgqQVHI_8)
Bayless really needs his ass kicked.
Bayless is a total piece of shtein weasel.
Reno Mahe told an interviewer that the team needs fewer playmakers.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 28, 2008, 10:40:37 PM
Reno Mahe told an interviewer that the team needs fewer playmakers.
Haha. Nice.
I still want to know what Bayless said that was so wrong. He's a douche, sure, but the fact of the matter is that Winston Justice played like shtein against the Giants in that game. His performance was so bad that it was nearly comical, and he deserves to be called out on it again and again.
agree 100, but McNabb had to play leader for that split second and act mad because thats his teammate. Meanwhile, you know damn well at commercial he high-fived Bayless and said, "good shtein..."
its not wrong its just stupid...the guy played one meaningful game this season...why would you bring him up in the context of the whole year or by saying the patriots dont have a winston justice...they absolutely might its just that he didnt get in any games this year
a better slam would have been to say that tom brady didnt have the eagle wr's or something like that
An arbitrator ruled in favor of the Eagles in their case to recoup money from TO. They'll have $800,000 added to their cap number this year.
*EDIT* Never mind, apparently this is being discussed in the Cowboys thread.
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Hilarious as always.
agreed...
QuotePosts: 20150
Trust me, I've gotten used to it.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 29, 2008, 09:58:11 AM
QuotePosts: 20150
Trust me, I've gotten used to it.
Your count would be even higher had you not asked the admins to reset it.
Watching NBC10 last night, westbrook also resonated the need for playmakes in a radio interview. They had Runyan talking about wanting upgrades, but he acknowledged that it has to be the right match, and you cant overpursue because of perceived need
im #7 all time and right in sarges rear view
and i registered at least three years after everyone ahead of me on the list
shout out to the federal govt
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2008, 10:00:06 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 29, 2008, 09:58:11 AM
QuotePosts: 20150
Trust me, I've gotten used to it.
Your count would be even higher had you not asked the admins to reset it.
Not true. I'd be around 19000 or so. But I wasn't talking about my post count. Everyone knows my schtick, just like everyone knows IGY's schtick. We're all one big hate-ridden family.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2008, 10:03:38 AM
im #7 all time and right in sarges rear view
and i registered at least three years after everyone ahead of me on the list
shout out to the federal govt
#'s 1-3 are all frauds. They either manually alter the counts or have some algorithm in place to make sure their count stays above everyone else's. You're closer than you think to being a champion.
i demand a recount
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2008, 08:28:59 AM
I still want to know what Bayless said that was so wrong. He's a douche, sure, but the fact of the matter is that Winston Justice played like shtein against the Giants in that game. His performance was so bad that it was nearly comical, and he deserves to be called out on it again and again.
Its one thing for a player to play bad that leads to mcnabb gettin hammered play after play, but its another thing for the coaches to not give justice a hand with an extra TE
if your gonna blame anyone, blame the god damn coaches who let it go on
Quote from: mussa on January 29, 2008, 10:30:46 AM
Its one thing for a player to play bad that leads to mcnabb gettin hammered play after play, but its another thing for the coaches to not give justice a hand with an extra TE
if your gonna blame anyone, blame the god damn coaches who let it go on
I know we love to blame the coaches on :CF, and this was certainly partly their fault. But when a player is completely incapable of doing even a passable job at playing his position, shouldn't the majority of the blame/ridicule go his way?
i blame the coaches for not yanking him...from the second quarter on i was screaming at the tv to get him the farg out of there
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2008, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: mussa on January 29, 2008, 10:30:46 AM
Its one thing for a player to play bad that leads to mcnabb gettin hammered play after play, but its another thing for the coaches to not give justice a hand with an extra TE
if your gonna blame anyone, blame the god damn coaches who let it go on
I know we love to blame the coaches on :CF, and this was certainly partly their fault. But when a player is completely incapable of doing even a passable job at playing his position, shouldn't the majority of the blame/ridicule go his way?
Yes. I think of Umenura's 6 sacks, 4 of them came with him going directly at Justice. 4 sacks is still horrible and Justice shouldn't get much slack but at no point did Reid or any other coach send a TE over in that general direction to help out.
We don't really know why Justice played so poorly. Maybe he sucks that bad. Maybe he's not comfortable playing LT since he played RT in college. Maybe he needs more than one game to adjust to that position. Maybe he just had a really bad day. Who knows?
But when you're a farging head coach and you see one of your players getting abused out on the field, part of your job is to adjust and not leave one of your players hanging out to dry.
Then again, we're talking about the same coach who's given McNabb almost no WR help during his career so I guess it's just par for the course.
I blame Reid more for drafting Justice than for that game. He was an early 2nd round pick who had over a year to adjust to the NFL, learn the scheme, and prepare to play. And he clearly couldn't handle it in laughable fashion.
Herremans basically dominated Umeniyora in 2005 (Moats broke off several long runs off LT) and I thought the logical choice would have been to shift him out there with MJG at LG rather than letting Justice get embarrassed.
I'm just glad that Madden 08 came out before that game so it didn't affect his player ratings because I recently lost Tra for the year and young Winston has done a heckuva job filling in for him.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2008, 11:30:04 AM
I blame Reid more for drafting Justice than for that game. He was an early 2nd round pick who had over a year to adjust to the NFL, learn the scheme, and prepare to play. And he clearly couldn't handle it in laughable fashion.
i can't tell if this is a joke or not. i don't know one person who didn't like that pick when it happened.
I was stone cold serious. It's all about 20/20 hindsight. Do you still love the pick today?
Quote from: phattymatty on January 29, 2008, 11:57:36 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2008, 11:30:04 AM
I blame Reid more for drafting Justice than for that game. He was an early 2nd round pick who had over a year to adjust to the NFL, learn the scheme, and prepare to play. And he clearly couldn't handle it in laughable fashion.
i can't tell if this is a joke or not. i don't know one person who didn't like that pick when it happened.
Adriene Clarke
Quote from: Wingspan on January 29, 2008, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on January 29, 2008, 11:57:36 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2008, 11:30:04 AM
I blame Reid more for drafting Justice than for that game. He was an early 2nd round pick who had over a year to adjust to the NFL, learn the scheme, and prepare to play. And he clearly couldn't handle it in laughable fashion.
i can't tell if this is a joke or not. i don't know one person who didn't like that pick when it happened.
Adriene Clarke
Ha! He's starting for the Jets.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2008, 10:03:38 AM
im #7 all time and right in sarges rear view
and i registered at least three years after everyone ahead of me on the list
shout out to the federal govt
Not to bring up old news but who was http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=212
before my time
How the hell does IGY have over 20K posts?
i wanted justice in the first round. yea he sucked hard his first game, but i wouldn't throw the towel in on a player strictly based on one game performance. he was matched up against a premiere pass rusher in osi. i can't blame the kid. the coaches should of done something before it got out of hand. thats just pathetic. the fact that mcnabb was the one who was taking the abuse angers me more. you don't throw your franchise qb into the frying pan like that. even more so, the guy wasn't 100%. reason enough to can the fat ass
and its not just :CF posters who think "its the coaches". its anyone with a common fargin knowledge of football who can pick out the problem with the eagles.
Gargano keeps saying on WIP that he thinks the birds are going to take a run at Andre Davis (Houston) to address both the speedy WR need and returner, and mentions that Stallworth could come back along with signing Davis...
No one's mentioned "GET DALLAS CLARK" yet...
Didn't see this one mentioned yesterday, but along with those other coaching changes, they added Mark Whipple (http://philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15036) as offensive asst. coach. He was Cowher's QB coach for the first 3 years of Roethlisberger's career ("Mark, have you met Mr. Kolb?") and won a title as a head coach with UMass...
davis wouldnt be a bad option as a return man but he would be a horrible addition as a wr
Quote from: mikey418 on January 29, 2008, 01:09:42 PM
Gargano keeps saying on WIP that he thinks the birds are going to take a run at Andre Davis (Houston) to address both the speedy WR need and returner, and mentions that Stallworth could come back along with signing Davis...
No one's mentioned "GET DALLAS CLARK" yet...
Davis would be an upgrade at KR. Not sure if he also does punts, but whatever.
Dallas Clark has been mentioned, but it's generally recognized that with the Colts signing Bob Sanders to a new deal, they will at worst put the franchise tag on Clark.
i want a guy who can do both PR and KR. Thats it, thats his specialty. He should have breakaway speed.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 29, 2008, 12:58:25 PM
How the hell does IGY have over 20K posts?
He works for the gov't.
pretty much...or if you wanna be even more accurate you would say im employed by the govt
Eskin's trying to get Larry Fiztgerald to say he wants out of Arizona. Fitz isn't really biting though. :-D
youre actually admitting to listening to eskin (wip) :o
Pretty quiet day at work today and wip is one of the only radio stations that I can listen to on gubment computers.
Looks like Eskin is going to have Stallworth on his show today
Yeah, I heard him say that yesterday. I may actually tune in again today to hear it.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 30, 2008, 11:45:44 AM
Looks like Eskin is going to have Stallworth on his show today
Stallworth, Curtis, and Reggie Brown is basically the same thing as Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Chad Johnson!
But for serious, Stallworth would actually make the WR's "fine".
legit stud number 1, stallworth, curtis and brown and a solid TE. pass all you freakin want reid but i still want westbrook getting the ball 25-30 times a game
Quote from: mussa on January 30, 2008, 12:38:18 PM
legit stud number 1, stallworth, curtis and brown and a solid TE. pass all you freakin want reid but i still want westbrook getting the ball 25-30 times a game
Ha, so now we're on the bandwagon to add Stallworth, a "solid" TE, and a "legit stud" number 1 WR?
How's the public transportation up there in dreamtown? Do they make special people like you ride in the back, or do you just drive the bus yourself?
Is the sod in dreamtown any better than the Linc turf? I really hope so.
Wouldn't the field be concrete in dreamtown?
in dreamtown it can have whatever you want it to
mine has daisies tulips and michael landon on a unicorn
is mr. landon riding the spike?
no....an oakland a's hat rockin grizzley adams is
All of you idiots are in dreamtown and none of you are farging Alba in her hampster bag. Romes.
God has her locked up in his studio loft making her give him handys while he plays COD4 online
Never mind. I'd be pissed about an OT in the first also. In Justice I trust.
CSN Mid-Atlantic interviewed Westbrook in Arizona and asked him what his recruiting line for Chad Johnson is. Westbrook claims he's not recruiting anyone in particular but if Chad wants to win a Super Bowl, "come on over to Philadelphia". Chad said on NFL Network that his clock is ticking and he wants to join a team with a chance to win...
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 30, 2008, 06:48:26 PM
CSN Mid-Atlantic interviewed Westbrook in Arizona and asked him what his recruiting line for Chad Johnson is. Westbrook claims he's not recruiting anyone in particular but if Chad wants to win a Super Bowl, "roll on over to Philadelphia". Chad said on NFL Network that his clock is ticking and he wants to join a team with a chance to win...
The only way this team has a chance to win is if they have a guy like Chad Johnson. So.....
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 30, 2008, 06:48:26 PM
CSN Mid-Atlantic interviewed Westbrook in Arizona and asked him what his recruiting line for Chad Johnson is. Westbrook claims he's not recruiting anyone in particular but if Chad wants to win a Super Bowl, "roll on over to Philadelphia". Chad said on NFL Network that his clock is ticking and he wants to join a team with a chance to win...
Westbrook, Spikes, Runyan and McNabb all calling for playmakers.
For once, FO, for once listen to the farging players and get something done.
The team doesn't have any need for playmakers. What they really need is more backups in case the starters they have go down.
:-D
I think they need snarkier fans, frankly.
this board has taught me a lot
for example in the last week alone ive learned that
first round picks dont contribute
and that the higher your pick the worse it actually is
and people ask why i have 20,000+ posts here
why do you have 20,000+ posts here?
why DON'T you?
Because the other half of my time is spent doing whatever igy tells me to do.
Quote from: MDS on January 30, 2008, 10:13:18 PM
Because the other half of my time is spent doing whatever igy tells me to do.
and he really stresses ANYTHING
I'm still wondering where anyone said first round picks don't contribute.
Quote from: Munson on January 31, 2008, 01:18:56 AM
I'm still wondering where anyone said first round picks don't contribute.
only "eagles" first round picks don't contribute.
Quote from: MDS on January 30, 2008, 10:04:42 PM
why do you have 20,000+ posts here?
most of its spent searching for your love and admiration...i think im almost there
Quote from: Don Ho on January 31, 2008, 04:54:50 AM
Quote from: Munson on January 31, 2008, 01:18:56 AM
I'm still wondering where anyone said first round picks don't contribute.
only "eagles" first round picks don't contribute.
Quote from: Munson on January 30, 2008, 08:37:19 AM
Anyone they draft at the #19 slot's impact most likely won't be felt for a couple years.
Cue Munson who will say that's not really what he meant...
That might be IGY's quote of the month. Responding to an idiotic Munson post with a quote from Munson proving his point. Solid gold.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 31, 2008, 07:14:20 AM
Cue Munson who will say that's not really what he meant...
Timetables?
But for serious, Eagles first round picks are a waste of time. Trade the pick for an impact player if you want to win this year. If you want to keep on keepin' on with the always competitive, never dominant theory, stay at 19 and take the guy you want to take, be he an OT, Punter, or Waterboy. It doesn't make a lick of difference. He'll probably suck anyway. In fact, the team should have lost to Dallas, dammit! What the hell! Where am I? What's that? LOUD NOISES! Bacon with a side of bacon. Racism in Souderton. Government is good, government is bad. Knick knack paddy whack give a dog a bone. Crack jizzy in da house. Peanut butter jelly time! Peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly with a BASEBALL BAT! Did anyone hear the Mets are getting Johan Santana? Immigration founded this country, dammit. I'd vote for Obama but he's not ready. Catch a falling knife, and buy yourself some gold, son. Ryan Phillippe is the next James Bond, movie will be filmed in the Port of Wilmington and entitled OctoHoyda II. Go farg yourself with some sort of something dipped in some sort of disease. Ranch.
You special.
POTW
Lions coach Rod Marinelli expects Roy Williams to be on the team and "have a big year" in 2008.
The Lions fell apart down the stretch in '07, but talk of them parting ways with arguably their two best players (Williams and Shaun Rogers) seems a bit hasty. Both players' contracts are also relatively cap friendly in 2008.
Source: Detriot News
Looks like they better use pick 19 on an impact rookie WR!
Everyone is hopping on board for more playmakers. I guess the players really do like McNabb
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080131_Eagles_-_Westbrook__Birds_a_few_weapons_short.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080131_Eagles_-_Westbrook__Birds_a_few_weapons_short.html)
Been said.
All of the talk about him renegotiating his contract at the end of the article makes me nervous.
Hey Chuck! It's Marvin. Your Cousin, Marvin Berry.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2008, 12:38:32 PM
All of the talk about him renegotiating his contract at the end of the article makes me nervous.
He's just an injury-prone situational back anyway, right?
Injury prone? Yes. Situational? Not any more.
Quote from: SunMo on January 31, 2008, 12:38:42 PM
Hey Chuck! Its Marvin. Your Cousin, Marvin Berry.
Great Scott!
Quote from: SunMo on January 31, 2008, 12:38:42 PM
Hey Chuck! It's Marvin. Your Cousin, Marvin Berry.
ha
Saw this and literally busted out laughing:
QuoteI would rather players take any concerns they have to the front office or to Andy Reid directly, rather than speak to the media. I don't think it does any good. Runyan said nothing, by the way. He said the defense was the first priority, not the offense. And, truth be told, the players aren't saying anything super-inflammatory, even if it being portrayed that way. But I don't think anything is gained by speaking out to the press.
You can cut the irony with a knife.
You could also cut this with a knife:
(http://carefulthought.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/bacon5.jpg)
I'd rather slice my own carotid artery than cut that beautiful sammich.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 31, 2008, 06:36:25 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on January 31, 2008, 04:54:50 AM
Quote from: Munson on January 31, 2008, 01:18:56 AM
I'm still wondering where anyone said first round picks don't contribute.
only "eagles" first round picks don't contribute.
Quote from: Munson on January 30, 2008, 08:37:19 AM
Anyone they draft at the #19 slot's impact most likely won't be felt for a couple years.
Again, i don't see where anyone said first round picks don't contribute.
But I will say again that anyone they draft at the #19 slot isn't going to be that "WIN NOW" impact player that everyone's looking for. Contribute? Yes. Impact? Not much.
so not only are you retarded but youre a flip flopper?
I never said thier first round pick wouldn't contribute, IGY. I did say taht in all likely hood his impact won't be felt for a at least a year or two. Lito Sheppard contributed his rookie year as a dime back, but he didn't have an impact until his 3rd year. His 2nd year was average by CB standards.
Who are they drafting at 19 that has a big impact on the team and is part of the "WIN NOW" philosophy? Even your boy Desean aint winning shtein "now".
Just stop. You're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole with each malformed word...
Quoting a league source, Pro Football Talk reports that the Bengals would rather sit Chad Johnson than trade him.
PFT compares the situation to the Terrell Owens fiasco in Philadelphia. Johnson has basically spent Super Bowl week suggesting he be traded to almost any team in the league. The behavior could certainly be classified as "detrimental to the team," and ultimately merit punishment. "[President] Mike Brown won't trade him under any circumstances," PFT's source said. "They will let him sit and rot."
Source: profootballtalk.com
Quote from: Munson on January 31, 2008, 04:37:53 PM
I never said thier first round pick wouldn't contribute, IGY. I did say taht in all likely hood his impact won't be felt for a at least a year or two. Lito Sheppard contributed his rookie year as a dime back, but he didn't have an impact until his 3rd year. His 2nd year was average by CB standards.
Who are they drafting at 19 that has a big impact on the team and is part of the "WIN NOW" philosophy? Even your boy Desean aint winning shtein "now".
You're like the :CF version of the 19th overall pick in the draft. Except that you haven't developed into the playmaker one would expect. We are hereby releasing you. Good luck catching on with another team.
Basically, you're our very own Freddie Mitchell. But without 4th & 26 to your credit.
So apparently "contribute" and "impact" mean the same thing.
If I didn't have 4th and 26, wouldn't I then be like CF's version of McDougal?
Quote from: Munson on January 31, 2008, 05:47:41 PM
If I didn't have 4th and 26, wouldn't I then be like CF's version of McDougal?
Not until you get shot.
yes please
Eagles/Pats SB is on NFL Network right now, Donovan is just about to throw his first, and probably worst, interception of the game...why am i watching this?
Because you live in Souderton and there is nothing better to do.
Quote from: MDS on January 31, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
Because you live in Souderton and there is nothing better to do.
Why does everyone here know so much about everyone else? FF's stalking appears to be contagious. I know where half of you live and somehow know many of your names. What the farg? Stop sharing. Freaks.
Ya'll don't know shtein about me!
By the way, that Bacon Sandwich is giving me a stomach chub.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2008, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 31, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
Because you live in Souderton and there is nothing better to do.
Why does everyone here know so much about everyone else? FF's stalking appears to be contagious. I know where half of you live and somehow know many of your names. What the farg? Stop sharing. Freaks.
Haha you live in Boston.
Quote from: SunMo on January 31, 2008, 09:29:42 PM
Eagles/Pats SB is on NFL Network right now, Donovan is just about to throw his first, and probably worst, interception of the game...why am i watching this?
I never have and never will re-watch that game. Ever.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2008, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 31, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
Because you live in Souderton and there is nothing better to do.
Why does everyone here know so much about everyone else? FF's stalking appears to be contagious. I know where half of you live and somehow know many of your names. What the farg? Stop sharing. Freaks.
My names David. Or Dave.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 31, 2008, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 31, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
Because you live in Souderton and there is nothing better to do.
Why does everyone here know so much about everyone else? FF's stalking appears to be contagious. I know where half of you live and somehow know many of your names. What the farg? Stop sharing. Freaks.
:paranoid i don't live in hawaii, i ah live in ah, uuhhmm, ahh, arkansas! yeah, that's it! Little Rock. I'm Ark Eagle (wtf ever happened to him?)
He moved to Hawaii.
dreamtown, USA
nice to meet all of you
The floodgates opened when Rusty drunk-texted me. I didn't even think he knew my number. Freak.
Havas invited me to a sleep over with him and SunMo. We did each other's hair and nails and talked about Joey from Blossom.
Whoa!!!
For me... it all started with a white guy doing the most fascinating, while at the same time retarded, dance I've ever seen. I just HAD to know more!
Sowdertown
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2008, 08:29:42 AM
Havas invited me to a sleep over with him and SunMo. We did each other's hair and nails and talked about Joey from Blossom.
tecmo school was in session and i was miss bliss
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2008, 08:29:42 AM
Havas invited me to a sleep over with him and SunMo. We did each other's hair and nails and talked about Joey from Blossom.
You guys all fit on his bunk bed in the basement? Wow
wow, the basement joke again...sweet
I know...I should of asked if you guys all caught Aids together and died
Quote from: Eag
leFeva link=topic=19986.msg577599#msg577599 date=1201872736
Whoa!
For me... it all started with a white guy doing the most fascinating, while at the same time retarded, dance I've ever seen. I just HAD to know more!
POUR... SOME... SUGAR... ON... MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
:-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2008, 08:55:48 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2008, 08:29:42 AM
Havas invited me to a sleep over with him and SunMo. We did each other's hair and nails and talked about Joey from Blossom.
tecmo school was in session and i was miss bliss
I heard you guys played til like 4 am and then spooned til 7 am
weird
on a side note, i was 18 when i finally figured out what spooning was. Up until that point i thought it was something i saw in 7th grade in a 70's porno involving a spoon, a vadge, and a bottle of champagne
everytime someone said they were spooning, i was amazed
Quote from: mussa on February 01, 2008, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2008, 08:55:48 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 01, 2008, 08:29:42 AM
Havas invited me to a sleep over with him and SunMo. We did each other's hair and nails and talked about Joey from Blossom.
tecmo school was in session and i was miss bliss
I heard you guys played til like 4 am and then spooned til 7 am
weird
Sort of. We did play till 4am but we were spooning the whole time.
ANAL
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 01, 2008, 01:13:37 PM
on a side note, i was 18 when i finally figured out what spooning was. Up until that point i thought it was something i saw in 7th grade in a 70's porno involving a spoon, a vadge, and a bottle of champagne
everytime someone said they were spooning, i was amazed
haha
Chris Mortensen reported a few minutes ago that the Ravens are interested in trading for McNabb and would need to include the #8 pick in the draft for any deal.
He also says Chad Johnson hates Marvin Lewis and could threaten to sit out the season if he's not traded.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 03, 2008, 11:43:18 AM
Chris Mortensen reported a few minutes ago that the Ravens are interested in trading for McNabb and would need to include the #8 pick in the draft for any deal.
He also says Chad Johnson hates Marvin Lewis and could threaten to sit out the season if he's not traded.
The Eagles said that the #8 must be included or is he just stating the obvious?
He's just stating the obvious. There was nothing from the Eagles in the rumor, and being out there with McNabb all week, he doesn't think McNabb is going anywhere...
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 03, 2008, 11:43:18 AM
Chris Mortensen reported a few minutes ago that the Ravens are interested in trading for McNabb and would need to include the #8 pick in the draft for any deal.
Unless that trade would include Ed Reed, Chris McAllister, Rex Ryan and a Filipino hitman named Stu to take out Reid and Banner, then the answer is no.
QuoteHe also says Chad Johnson hates Marvin Lewis and could threaten to sit out the season if he's not traded.
Wait until training camp opens up and CJ really has a chance to be a distraction and help drive his own trade value down. Then get him.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 03, 2008, 11:47:44 AM
He's just stating the obvious. There was nothing from the Eagles in the rumor, and being out there with McNabb all week, he doesn't think McNabb is going anywhere...
So, in other words, just ESPN typical none news?
So, in other, words, I love youuuuuuu.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3228585
And there is no chance on McNabb being traded. The rumors are ridiculous...as always.
I don't know how anyone can say that there's 'no chance' of this happening, but it does seem exceptionally unlikely.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
I don't know how anyone can say that there's 'no chance' of this happening, but it does seem exceptionally unlikely.
There is NO CHANCE that McNabb gets traded. Period.
I said it.
The Eagles would NEVER go into the season with Feeley as a starter and Kolb as the backup (or vice versa). It will never happen.
Shut up.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 03, 2008, 01:22:16 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3228585
Rosenpuke is the only reason I'm hesitant about wanting CJ. Because all it will take is for CJ to have a great year, help put the Eagles back in contention and Rosendouche will take center stage again and have CJ demand a new contract.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
I don't know how anyone can say that there's 'no chance' of this happening, but it does seem exceptionally unlikely.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 03, 2008, 01:27:17 PM
There is NO CHANCE that McNabb gets traded. Period.
I said it.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2008, 01:39:36 PM
Shut up.
Cat fight!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 03, 2008, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 03, 2008, 01:22:16 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3228585
Rosenpuke is the only reason I'm hesitant about wanting CJ. Because all it will take is for CJ to have a great year, help put the Eagles back in contention and Rosendouche will take center stage again and have CJ demand a new contract.
If they let go of Johnson or trade him, he will count $8.8 million against the teams cap. Way too much. The team has to deal with his outspoken antics whether they like it or not.
Change the title of this thread
Hahahaha. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE EAGLES TO TRADE MCNABB! DON'T QUESTION ME! Give me a break.
Even if you ignore what Marvin Lewis said, and CJ's gigantic cap hit, the way he's going about all this pretty much makes it a lock that if he does finagle a trade or gets cut, he won't land with the Birds. He was always a shotboat, but was supposedly considered to be a hardworker and not a major disruption. He's destroying any semblence of that.
Most likely scenario: Daniel Snyder and Crazy Vinny will probably trade a shteinload for him, and he'll dominate the Birds fir the forseeable future.
If the deal was sweet enough, they'd trade McNabb. Are you farging kidding me? They started the season without a single guy who could field a punt, and you think they wouldn't throw Kolb out there?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The Eagles said they'd want two first round picks for McNabb. Think if a team came up with two firsts and threw in a player or two the Eagles wouldn't bite? Please.
What team in their right mind would offer two no.1's for a qb who has been hurt three of the last four years? No matter what anyone thinks of how good he looked the last couple of games, that fact has to weigh on the mind of any FO.
I didn't say it makes sense, but to make a blanket statement that there is no way the Eagles would deal McNabb is asinine.
i think the rumors of last season were that they would only listen to offers of 3 first round picks.
That just furthers my point - If someone is willing to pony up 3 first round picks, the Eagles would be stupid not to take it.
we don't even need chad johnson. think about it. we only lost to the eventual super bowl champions in week 14 by 3. we beat them last year in the playoffs. we only have to improve 3 pts...if at all. with another year of experience under their belt, this team is has super bowl champion all over them. we should all just sit back and relax and prepare for what we should do in the year 2024.
even though that is some sweet sarcasm...i have no doubt it is a verbatim conversation happening somewhere in the halls of the Wachovia
Quote from: Cerevant on February 03, 2008, 09:54:03 PM
That just furthers my point - If someone is willing to pony up 3 first round picks, the Eagles would be stupid not to take it.
3 first round picks...has that ever been done for any player before?
thats ridiculous.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 03, 2008, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on February 03, 2008, 09:54:03 PM
That just furthers my point - If someone is willing to pony up 3 first round picks, the Eagles would be stupid not to take it.
3 first round picks...has that ever been done for any player before?
thats ridiculous.
No shtein.
Please with the hypothetical scenarios that would NEVER HAPPEN. NO Team would pony up 3 first round picks...therefore, I stand by what I said..they won't trade McNabb. ::)
forget the specific trade scenarios...the fact is they absolutely would trade donovan and they still might....
will they?
probably not
but if they did there wouldnt be one person on the entire planet that was shocked besides pg\
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 03, 2008, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on February 03, 2008, 09:54:03 PM
That just furthers my point - If someone is willing to pony up 3 first round picks, the Eagles would be stupid not to take it.
3 first round picks...has that ever been done for any player before?
thats ridiculous.
FS 64,
What did the birds give up for Roman Gabriel in 1973? Harold Jackson, Touchdown Tony Baker and was it not 1st round pick in 1974? And did not Bill Bergey cost the team some high picks? Birds didn't have a #1 until 1979 when they took Jerry Robinson out of UCLA.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 03, 2008, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on February 03, 2008, 09:54:03 PM
That just furthers my point - If someone is willing to pony up 3 first round picks, the Eagles would be stupid not to take it.
3 first round picks...has that ever been done for any player before?
thats ridiculous.
Don't know about players, but wasn't Gruden traded to Tampa for that?
Come on - Herschel Walker? Ricky Williams? Teams have made offers that couldn't be refused before.
I just get annoyed when people pull the IGY routine - X won't happen. Not "probably won't", not "unlikely", not "there's no good reason for them to" - just "it won't happen".
If they decide that rebuilding is the best way to beat the Super Bowl champion Giants, then trading McNabb would actually be smart. That said, if you don't think he's the best QB to lead the Eagles in 2008, you're cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
The shtein you guys spend time arguing about sometimes is unbelievable.
Why don't we all just agree that they won't trade McNabb this year unless someone comes along with some incredible offer they simply can't refuse?
Which of course... puts him in the company of any other player in the NFL.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 04, 2008, 08:34:06 AM
Why don't we all just agree that they won't trade McNabb this year unless someone comes along with some incredible offer they simply can't refuse?
On which board do you think you're posting, sir?
Ha! True dat.
Quote from: SunMo on February 03, 2008, 11:07:35 PM
even though that is some sweet sarcasm...i have no doubt it is a verbatim conversation happening somewhere in the halls of the Wachovia
SunMosy was drunky last night.
He's not the only one. Traffic was extremely light this morning compared to a usual Monday morning.
I hope Andy Reid got drunk last night and had a moment of clarity.
yikes
mcnabb isn't going anywhere...just stop
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 04, 2008, 08:34:06 AM
The shtein you guys spend time arguing about sometimes is unbelievable.
Why don't we all just agree that they won't trade McNabb this year unless someone comes along with some incredible offer they simply can't refuse?
Which of course... puts him in the company of any other player in the NFL.
true
So, you boldly declare that he isn't going anywhere, but he would if the price was right? Cop-out.
There are
four actually only three positions you can have on this issue:
1. The Eagles will not trade McNabb this offseason at any price.
--This is a slightly bone-headed, but ultimately viable, position.
2. The Eagles have set a very high price for McNabb.
--Duh. The problem is if you also claim to know for a fact that not one of the 31 other teams will meet it.
3. The Eagles are looking to trade McNabb and will accept the highest bid.
--Like #1, this is viable but unfounded.
Basically, I'm a #2, and I want to see the 1's and 3's duke it out.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 04, 2008, 01:23:43 PM
I'm a #2
Ha! I just called myself a piece of shtein.
Newsome with the kabash:
Quote
Newsome disputes McNabb report
Ravens GM dismisses rumored interest in Eagles quarterback; he says team focused on rounding out coaching staff, not personnel
By Jamison Hensley
Sun reporter
12:05 PM EST, February 4, 2008
General manager Ozzie Newsome disputed an ESPN report that the Ravens are pondering making a substantial offer for Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb.
"We have not had one meeting to discuss any personnel on our team or anyone else's team," Newsome said this morning. "We've been very busy hiring assistant coaches."
There has been speculation linking the Ravens to McNabb since the team hired longtime Eagles assistant John Harbaugh to replace head coach Brian Billick.
If the Ravens would decide they are interested in trading for McNabb, it likely would take at least a first-round pick. The Ravens have the No. 8 pick in the NFL draft.
When rumors surfaced late last season that the Eagles would be willing to part ways with McNabb, team president Joe Banner said McNabb would return next season as their starting quarterback.
"I can't envision a situation in which [McNabb] is not our quarterback next year," Banner said. "We are talking about a quarterback who went to four straight (NFC) championship games. There are only four quarterbacks in the history of the league that have done that. You are talking about a quarterback who has had a higher winning percentage in his first seven years in the league than Peyton Manning. You are talking about a quarterback that has one of the highest quarterback ratings over the first seven seasons, one of the best TD-to-interceptions ratios of any quarterback in the history of this game in his first seven seasons in the league. ...
"My expectation, and I can't really even picture a different scenario, is that he'll be the quarterback."
Although the Ravens haven't publicly committed to Steve McNair as their starter for next season, he has been rehabbing his surgically repaired left (non-throwing) shoulder about two to three days a week at team headquarters.
"He's progressing very well," Newsome said.
When asked if McNair could come back and be the starting quarterback, Newsome said, "We have not had any dialogue about our personnel. We don't have a quarterback coach yet."
this is exciting! birds could have two first round picks!! wow! so we get the opportunity to draft two OT projects, correct? i don't think i could take this FO with two first round picks at their disposal.
Donovan stays.
Someone on the EMB said that the Eagles should get two #1's, two #2's and Ed Reed for McNabb.
Say what you will about the place but you can't get that sort of comedy just anywhere. Well, other than a loony bin, anyway.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 04, 2008, 02:10:23 PM
Someone on the EMB said that the Eagles should get two #1's, two #2's and Ed Reed for McNabb.
Say what you will about the place but you can't get that sort of comedy just anywhere. Well, other than a loony bin, anyway.
IN
Get Jared Allen.
Well, the real hypothetical question is, would you trade McNabb for that? I would.
HAHAHAHA.Ha.
zLOL
Chad Johnson shoved a Bengals media relations employee following Pro Bowl practice Thursday, according to FOXSports.com's Alex Marvez.
T.O. II? Marvez, with Bengals employee Michael Lipman beside him, asked Johnson if he felt better after venting at the Super Bowl last week. Johnson walked away, and when Lipman asked again, Chad reportedly shoved him and "stared him down." Johnson later admitted on the NFL Network that he's "gotten out of line every now and then" behind the scenes, adding "what great one doesn't? Find me a great one that doesn't do the same things I've done and I'll stop playing. Period." HOF Class of '08 Art Monk comes to mind. Feb. 8 - 12:09 am et
The fact that he refers to himself as a "great one" is reason enough to pass on him.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3236165
Suggested trades to the SKins or Dolphins?
*headscratch*
Dolphins = Just got rid of Chris Chambers and could use a WR to replace him. Also have parts of an aging D that Cincy would be dumb enough to jump at.
taterskins = You don't really need me to explain do you?
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 08, 2008, 09:39:02 AM
Dolphins = Just got rid of Chris Chambers and could use a WR to replace him. Also have parts of an aging D that Cincy would be dumb enough to jump at.
I doubt Chad Johnson has thought about why the Dolphins could use him .... it's more likely that since he is from Miami originally, that he would want to play in his home town.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 08, 2008, 09:39:02 AM
taterskins = You don't really need me to explain do you?
Because he wants to join the DTC, right?
Chad's grill ain't gully enough to roll with the DTC.
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Quote from: reese125 on February 08, 2008, 08:59:42 AM
"what great one doesn't? Find me a great one that doesn't do the same things I've done and I'll stop playing. Period."
Uhhh, Jerry Rice?
Every great player before 1970 or so?
But 95% of those players aren't really great, by IGY's standards.
they were great for their time but dont compare to todays players...altho im more talking about 1950's and before...the 60's had their fair share of players that could transcend any era...jim brown says (http://chat2.globalpinoy.com/images/emoticons/wave.gif)
its also complete horseshtein to throw the 1970's thing out there...as if tons of great players since then have been horrible locker room guys and everyone prior to 1970 were angels
99% of great players in any era are not problems
What you want to do?
What you wanna do?
I got the gauge. A uzi, and my mutherfarging 22.
So if you wanna blast n***uh, we buck, if we stick'em, then we stuck'em, so farg'em!
Brian Westbrook. Think CJ would kneel down at the goal line in order to let the clock run out and give his team the best chance to win?
I don't think so.....
christ who gives a farg. if we had a god damn coach who realized what clock management is the freaking players wouldn't have to down the ball on the 1. thank god runyan has half a brain
WTF are you talking about? I was just pointing out that Bwest is a great player who isn't a problem and would do just about anything to give his team a chance to win, while I guarantee you CJ wouldn't be kneeling at the goal line, and is a problem.
If Westbrook scored, it would have been 17-6. Even though it was a nice idea/gesture by Westbrook, frankly I don't give a shtein he did it. If he didn't do it nobody would ever think about it, and if the Eagles did manage to somehow blow a 17-6 lead with 2 minutes left then Westbrook should be traded to another team.
Quote from: shorebird on February 09, 2008, 02:00:37 PM
WTF are you talking about? I was just pointing out that Bwest is a great player who isn't a problem and would do just about anything to give his team a chance to win, while I guarantee you CJ wouldn't be kneeling at the goal line, and is a problem.
If CJ were on the Eagles, the ball was still getting handed off to Westbrook anyway in that situation so it's irrelevant.
correct me if im wrong but we had a manageable amount of time left on the clock to start the drive...something like 4 minutes. perfect amount of time to methodically run the clock down...and win with seconds left. what does reid do? he bombs it out. if it wasn't for westy and runyan, we would of gave the ball back to the other team with plenty of time to attempt a comeback. how many games this year and years past did we lose cause of fat farg blowing his cork too early...way too many. thats all...i mean your right shorebird, im just yelling at the coaches cause i hate them. my pee-wee coach had better clock management
So Reid had bad clock management that game because his running game was getting too many yards on each rush at the end of the game? :-D
Quote from: mussa on February 09, 2008, 03:22:32 PM
correct me if im wrong but we had a manageable amount of time left on the clock to start the drive...something like 4 minutes. perfect amount of time to methodically run the clock down...and win with seconds left. what does reid do? he bombs it out. if it wasn't for westy and runyan, we would of gave the ball back to the other team with plenty of time to attempt a comeback. how many games this year and years past did we lose cause of fat farg blowing his cork too early...way too many. thats all...i mean your right shorebird, im just yelling at the coaches cause i hate them. my pee-wee coach had better clock management
When the drive started, there was still plenty of time on the clock. When Westy took a knee on the 1 there was less than 2:00 left, the Cowboys were out of timeouts and McNabb kneeled on the ball to run out the clock.
Under those circumstances, it was almost irrelevant that Westy took a knee. Even if he'd scored, the Cowboys were down by 11 with no timeouts and less than 2:00 left. They would have needed to score, convert a 2pt, recover and onsides kick and kick a FG just to tie. Of course, I wouldn't put it passed the Eagles to collapse like that but the odds were still rediculous of all that happening.
Really, what Westy's move did was not put that pressure on the defense and kept them on the sideline.
warp really
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Crank dat Andrews boy
Is that Rerun?
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Random douchebag Eagles fan wearing his "colors" in Tel Aviv, Israel.
Go Hamas!
Hamas wouldn't dare touch an Eagles fan. Part of the terrorist code, you know...
Israel should just nuke palestine, jordan, and syria to hell. I have always wanted to see a piece of glass 300 miles long.
those are mds's peeps over there yo
I'd rather see Israel nuked. But if it has to be Palestine, Jordan and Syria, then add Israel to the list and nuke 'em all. Stupid religious people.
not sure if this was posted but here is a weird interview with chad johnson and houzeyourmomma:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80691a57
chad sounds like he is about to cry and houze sounds like hes dissing chad right in his face.
Larry Fitzgerald backed off the idea that he wouldn't mind being traded to the Eagles during Pro Bowl week.
Fitzgerald told a Philadelphia radio station during the Super Bowl that the Eagles would be on his short list of teams he'd like to play for if dealt. "I want it to work out in Arizona," Fitzgerald said at the all-star event. "I want to finish business there, hopefully we can get a contract done."
Source: Denver Post
Fitzgerald.
:drool:
Quote from: reese125 on February 11, 2008, 10:24:39 AM
Larry Fitzgerald backed off the idea that he wouldn't mind being traded to the Eagles during Pro Bowl week.
Fitzgerald told a Philadelphia radio station during the Super Bowl that the Eagles would be on his short list of teams he'd like to play for if dealt. "I want it to work out in Arizona," Fitzgerald said at the all-star event. "I want to finish business there, hopefully we can get a contract done."
Source: Denver Post
He was on the radio with Eskin when he said that. All he said was that he'd like to get a new deal done witht the Cards but if something doesn't get done and the Cards decided to move him, that the Eagles were a team he'd like to go to. Pats and Giants being 2 others.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 09, 2008, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: mussa on February 09, 2008, 03:22:32 PM
correct me if im wrong but we had a manageable amount of time left on the clock to start the drive...something like 4 minutes. perfect amount of time to methodically run the clock down...and win with seconds left. what does reid do? he bombs it out. if it wasn't for westy and runyan, we would of gave the ball back to the other team with plenty of time to attempt a comeback. how many games this year and years past did we lose cause of fat farg blowing his cork too early...way too many. thats all...i mean your right shorebird, im just yelling at the coaches cause i hate them. my pee-wee coach had better clock management
Really, what Westy's move did was not put that pressure on the defense and kept them on the sideline.
...and keeping the D on the sidelines meant keeping any of them from getting injured, which is important. I'm thinking of that game against the Giants that went to OT because of a stupid penalty, and then Kearse blew up his knee and was out for the rest of the year.
On the other hand putting McNabb back in there to kneel for the last 3 plays also exposed him to a risk of knee injury, so I guess it's a wash. Never mind.
Stupid Reid.......should've had Feeley out there taking the knee. It's probably the one thing AJ does better anyway.
Guys I would like to see them go after:
Leonard Weaver (SEA FB restricted FA, undrafted; no comp) - I doubt SEA lets him go especially since Mack Strong is all but done, but he's turned himself into a very good FB. I like Tapeh but it seems that the Eagles are going to move on there. Spads has been hinting that Tapeh's gone. Jason Davis is still on the roster and he's a guy who I think could be okay, but I want Weaver.
Mewelde Moore (MIN RB unrestricted FA) - He wants more playing time and Childress said he deserves it, but there is obviously no room for him in Minny because of Peterson and Taylor. Moore is a solid return guy and a good 3rd down back who could also fill in as the #2 guy when/if Buck's knees go boom again.
Rock Cartwright (WAS RB/FB UFA) - Because he's a stud ST guy.
Randy Moss (NE WR unrestricted FA) - No explanation needed; no shtein.
Chad Johnson (CIN WR trade) - Again, no shtein?
Roy Williams (DET WR trade) - yeah
Larry itzgerald (ARZ WR trade) - the most unlikely of them all, but its nice to dream
Donte Stallworth (NE WR potential cut) - maybe the most likely option
If they choose to go the lower tier WR route (again) then I would like to see Ernest Wilford (JAX UFA), Bernard Berrian (CHI UFA), or DJ Hackett (SEA UFA) be a target. Devery Henderson is someone who intrigues me because of his speed but has yet to put it all together and may never, but may be worth a flier. Andre Davis (HOU UFA) but only because of his KOR ability.
Mike Wahle (CAR OG cut) - because he'd be an upgrade over Herremans.
Lance Briggs (CHI UFA), Demorrio Williams (ATL UFA), Michael Boley (ATL, RFA), Branden Ayanbadejo (CHI UFA), Reggie TOrbor (NYG UFA) & Khary Campbell (WAS UFA) the last three because of their STs play.
There's more, but those are the names that jump out at me. Obviously DE is a need too, but the top guys there like WR should all be tagged or not let go or whatever.
Maybe I'm being presumptuous, but I think hoping to "go after" all of those guys, let alone get all of them, is likely to disappoint you.
Well, I know they wouldnt go after all of them or even three or four might be too much to ask. Those are the names I like so far though...
They'll likely sign two guys and then rely on the draft like always
you mean you arent expecting moss williams ocho fitzgerald AND stallworth
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 09, 2008, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: mussa on February 09, 2008, 03:22:32 PM
correct me if im wrong but we had a manageable amount of time left on the clock to start the drive...something like 4 minutes. perfect amount of time to methodically run the clock down...and win with seconds left. what does reid do? he bombs it out. if it wasn't for westy and runyan, we would of gave the ball back to the other team with plenty of time to attempt a comeback. how many games this year and years past did we lose cause of fat farg blowing his cork too early...way too many. thats all...i mean your right shorebird, im just yelling at the coaches cause i hate them. my pee-wee coach had better clock management
When the drive started, there was still plenty of time on the clock. When Westy took a knee on the 1 there was less than 2:00 left, the Cowboys were out of timeouts and McNabb kneeled on the ball to run out the clock.
Under those circumstances, it was almost irrelevant that Westy took a knee. Even if he'd scored, the Cowboys were down by 11 with no timeouts and less than 2:00 left. They would have needed to score, convert a 2pt, recover and onsides kick and kick a FG just to tie. Of course, I wouldn't put it passed the Eagles to collapse like that but the odds were still rediculous of all that happening.
Really, what Westy's move did was not put that pressure on the defense and kept them on the sideline.
When Bwest took the knee there was 2:13 on the clock and it ran down to the 2 minute warning. The Cowboys offense never even got a chance. Yeah, they probably wouldn't have scored again anyway, much less twice the way the Eagle's D was playing. All I'm saying is that it was a classy move that hardly any other player would have done, however you want to analyze it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 12, 2008, 03:33:45 PM
Guys I would like to see them go after:
Leonard Weaver (SEA FB restricted FA, undrafted; no comp) - I doubt SEA lets him go especially since Mack Strong is all but done, but he's turned himself into a very good FB. I like Tapeh but it seems that the Eagles are going to move on there. Spads has been hinting that Tapeh's gone. Jason Davis is still on the roster and he's a guy who I think could be okay, but I want Weaver.
Mewelde Moore (MIN RB unrestricted FA) - He wants more playing time and Childress said he deserves it, but there is obviously no room for him in Minny because of Peterson and Taylor. Moore is a solid return guy and a good 3rd down back who could also fill in as the #2 guy when/if Buck's knees go boom again.
Rock Cartwright (WAS RB/FB UFA) - Because he's a stud ST guy.
Randy Moss (NE WR unrestricted FA) - No explanation needed; no shtein.
Chad Johnson (CIN WR trade) - Again, no shtein?
Roy Williams (DET WR trade) - yeah
Larry itzgerald (ARZ WR trade) - the most unlikely of them all, but its nice to dream
Donte Stallworth (NE WR potential cut) - maybe the most likely option
If they choose to go the lower tier WR route (again) then I would like to see Ernest Wilford (JAX UFA), Bernard Berrian (CHI UFA), or DJ Hackett (SEA UFA) be a target. Devery Henderson is someone who intrigues me because of his speed but has yet to put it all together and may never, but may be worth a flier. Andre Davis (HOU UFA) but only because of his KOR ability.
Mike Wahle (CAR OG cut) - because he'd be an upgrade over Herremans.
Lance Briggs (CHI UFA), Demorrio Williams (ATL UFA), Michael Boley (ATL, RFA), Branden Ayanbadejo (CHI UFA), Reggie TOrbor (NYG UFA) & Khary Campbell (WAS UFA) the last three because of their STs play.
There's more, but those are the names that jump out at me. Obviously DE is a need too, but the top guys there like WR should all be tagged or not let go or whatever.
How about Justin Smith, Bengals DE? They probably won't tag him again, especially if they are thinking of going 3-4. He could be a great fit here, with Juqua spotting him on some passing downs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 12, 2008, 04:08:21 PM
Well, I know they wouldnt go after all of them or even three or four might be too much to ask. Those are the names I like so far though...
They'll likely sign two guys and then rely on the draft like always
Surprising you don't have any DEs on there, when I think it is their biggest need. I agree for most of it besides Moss. I'd rather have Chad Johnson, Roy Williams, and Fitzgerald much over Moss. Moss is one dimensional and doesn't show up in the playoffs. I hate "I play when I want to" players. Moss had an amazing regular season, but his head being out of it in the playoffs really hurt the Patriots IMO. Would I take Moss? Absolutely. But I'd take CJ, Roy, and Fitz over him without thinking twice. Yes, even after Moss would cost no draft picks.
I'd also add Samuel to the list if we can't get a stud DE. If we can't get a stud DE, then we have to improve the secondary and go DE in the draft(again). Samuel helps the secondary in a division of strong receivers.
Moss wouldn't be a great fit for the WCO imo. He's a great talent.....still the most dangerous WR in the game, but Moss in Philly is a round peg in a square hole.
Quote from: King Cole on February 12, 2008, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 12, 2008, 04:08:21 PM
Well, I know they wouldnt go after all of them or even three or four might be too much to ask. Those are the names I like so far though...
They'll likely sign two guys and then rely on the draft like always
Surprising you don't have any DEs on there, when I think it is their biggest need. I agree for most of it besides Moss. I'd rather have Chad Johnson, Roy Williams, and Fitzgerald much over Moss. Moss is one dimensional and doesn't show up in the playoffs. I hate "I play when I want to" players. Moss had an amazing regular season, but his head being out of it in the playoffs really hurt the Patriots IMO. Would I take Moss? Absolutely. But I'd take CJ, Roy, and Fitz over him without thinking twice. Yes, even after Moss would cost no draft picks.
I'd also add Samuel to the list if we can't get a stud DE. If we can't get a stud DE, then we have to improve the secondary and go DE in the draft(again). Samuel helps the secondary in a division of strong receivers.
I mentioned DEs at the bottom. I like Allen and a few other guys but they wont see the open market. I believe BAL is going to tag Suggs this week.
DE may have to be in the draft. Gholston would be great.
i know briggs is available not sure if any of these others guys have been locked down in the last few days...but if not...
i really like antwan odom in free agency at DE....hed be my first pick of guys on the open market
2. lance briggs
3. gibril wilson
4. bryant johnson or bernard berrian
any one of those would make me happy...any two would be outstanding
I have a feeling that Briggs is going to go to Washington. He's played for Blache before, Snyder and Briggs had agreed on a deal last year but the trade just couldn't be finished and they need someone to play WIL. But I'd love to see him in Philly. Briggs-Spikes-Stewie...with OG as the nickel.
Odom would be a good signing. Hes not a top name so it would likely frustrate alot of people, but he's a good player and would be a nice addition for sure.
I'd prefer Hamlin over Gibril...
Not sure about Bryant Johnson...would he really make the WRs better?
Of the actual free agent recievers out there, would any of them make the WR's better? I don't see how. The only FA reciever that could make an impact on this team would be what's his nuts from Houston. But his impact would be in the return game, not offensively.
johnson is hard to judge as hes played behind two great wr's his whole career....but i think either him or berrian automatically become the best wr on the team if aquired...no admittedly that isnt hard to do and id rather have an ocho or fitzgerald but as far as free agents id be happy with either one as an upgrade to what they have
it always seemed like when ever Fitz or Boldin were hurt, Johnson stepped up and played very well. He became a nice vertical threat and a solid 3rd down receiver because of the 2, and a very effective one at that.
I could def see him taking on a larger role and producing here
If Johnson is their offseason 'upgrade' this offseason is a failure.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 13, 2008, 10:06:32 AM
Odom would be a good signing. Hes not a top name so it would likely frustrate alot of people, but he's a good player and would be a nice addition for sure.
with the position he plays and not being a huge name hes also the kind of player the eagles would jump all over right out the gate...depending on what kind of money he garners i would not be surprised to see him be an eagle on feb 29
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 13, 2008, 10:44:14 AM
If Johnson is their offseason 'upgrade' this offseason is a failure.
you mean "only", then I agree.
Quote from: reese125 on February 13, 2008, 10:53:39 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 13, 2008, 10:44:14 AM
If Johnson is their offseason 'upgrade' this offseason is a failure.
you mean "only", then I agree.
or WR upgrade. He's not a difference maker and is basically another Brown or Curtis.
gholston would be great.
i'd like to see the todd out of lg and max in or...something.
not really concerned about tapeh or davis...i liked davis but he got hurt. sure was fun to watch in camp.
i wonder if we go after allen bc he might have some questionable character, but...allen, ocho (i don't care he's mildy retarded), and a solution to our secondary (a good draft pick in the 1st to take fs/ss or cb and sheldon slides or...whatever) would be a great start.
although it's probably stallworth/berrian, a RT in the 1st round, and a db in the 2nd. of course we could always go mccoy/calvin armstrong/kolb style. so who the f knows.
hey freak, where's gocong fit in on your briggs/spikes/stewie rotation? rotate him or have him put his hand on the ground (victor downs 1-2 gocong downs 3-4?)
i hope we resign kimo. patterson got blown off the ball more than a few times and immediately reid puts in kimo to take his spot. i think our goalline did well bc of him too. not saying he's a savior, but a good guy to have.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2008, 10:28:10 AM
johnson is hard to judge as hes played behind two great wr's his whole career....but i think either him or berrian automatically become the best wr on the team if aquired...no admittedly that isnt hard to do and id rather have an ocho or fitzgerald but as far as free agents id be happy with either one as an upgrade to what they have
So lets sign the #3 WR of a team, stick him in the starting line-up, and call it an upgrade!
The Eagles have never done that before and you certainly have never complained about it.
Quote from: Munson on February 13, 2008, 02:55:12 PM
So lets sign the #3 WR of a team, stick him in the starting line-up, and call it an upgrade!
no one is saying hes a number 1....but hes absolutely an upgrade over jason avant and/or greg lewis...and from what ive seen of him at least as good as curtis and brown....the point that youre too stupid to notice is that hes a #3 wr behind two all pros...and because of that i said "WITH JOHNSON ITS HARD TO JUDGE"
now settle down go brush up on your reading comprehension strum your guitar and wait for mommy to call you for dinner
Right but with Curtis we knew right away that he wasn't any good...at least, that's how you made it seem.
And maybe I'm alone here but I'm not looking to upgrade over Jason Avant or Greg Lewis or Hank Baskett...I'm looking to upgrade over Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown...I'm looking for a real #1 WR. Not another #2/#3 WR on a team full of #2 and #3 WR's.
OMGZ YOU CALLED ME YOUNG ROFLCOPTER!
You're still an idiot.
I guarantee Munson got half a stock while clicking "Post" on that.
Which reminds me....bb in 5.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 13, 2008, 09:31:58 AMGholston would be great.
He's probably going in the 6-10 range at this point. Eagles won't get him...
Quote from: Munson on February 13, 2008, 03:22:53 PM
I'm looking for a real #1 WR. Not another #2/#3 WR on a team full of #2 and #3 WR's.
OMGZ YOU CALLED ME YOUNG ROFLCOPTER!
You're still an idiot.
there are no number 1 wr's on the FA market...again read what we are talking about before you go on tangents...we were posting people we would be happy to get on the open market
and if you didnt act like a complete idiot faking drunk on the internets and posting nonsensical ramblings about...well about everything...then people wouldnt call you on your age...age is a just a number son try to act older than yours
Being told to act older by a white man who thinks he's black.
Good job.
As for WR's on the open market, or WR's that can be had without having to trade something...NONE of them are an upgrade, and as such you should stop trying to pull the Johnson is hard to judge angle because he's been behind two all pros. So was Kevin Curtis, but the whole time he's been here you've said pretty much everything negative and still refused to give him any props when he came in and surprised us all by being only the 2nd WR in Reid's offense to eclipse 1000 yards.
But Johnson, being behind two all pros his whole career, is "hard to judge".
Stop contradicting yourself. He's another #2/#3 WR and this team doesn't need any more of those. Leave the WR's as is and spend the money somewhere else, or go balls out and get a real #1. Adding another mediocre WR is exactly the type of move a team that believes it can win the SB this year (and the Eagles think they can) should NOT make and waste money on. In words of SD, if Johnson is the off season "upgrade" to WR, then this off season is a failure.
Randy Moss isn't an upgrade?
AIDS AIDS AIDS
Did Mortenson really say we were going hard after Moss or do I need to kick someone in the balls?
He said that and you should still kick someone in the balls just for the fun of it.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 13, 2008, 04:11:19 PM
Randy Moss isn't an upgrade?
If Moss hits the market, which is a big if, then yes he's an upgrade.
But as already pointed out in this thread, I don't really think he fits well in the offense.
I'd still take him in a second.
randy moss fits well in any offense.
randy run long and straight, qb throw long and straight, touchdown.
i dont know matty...off the top of my head i cant think of any offenses that 23 touchdowns would fit in
Moss sucks.
(Someone had to post it.)
I want to get high with Randy and go punch some meter maids or some shtein.
Coach Marvin Lewis reiterated Wednesday that the Bengals will not trade Chad Johnson and haven't even discussed the possibility.
"No. 1, the guy has a contract through 2011, OK," Lewis said. "Our player (Johnson), we know is very passionate about the game. He continues to play at a very, very high level. He has been very, very productive. He has been well-compensated. We've had a great relationship. That's not going to change."
and he just hit scumbag status
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcglN0E_cA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcglN0E_cA)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 13, 2008, 08:38:08 AM
Moss wouldn't be a great fit for the WCO imo. He's a great talent.....still the most dangerous WR in the game, but Moss in Philly is a round peg in a square hole.
Sarge hit it on the head.
I'm still sure he'll put up 1200+ and 12+, but for some reason Moss just doesn't seem like he'd be as dominant in a WCO.
Who cares though. If Moss is the upgrade they decide to get, then farg yeah. Moss/Curtis/Brown=Better then any set of WR's they've had here at one time in Reid era.
Quote from: reese125 on February 13, 2008, 05:30:04 PM
Coach Marvin Lewis reiterated Wednesday that the Bengals will not trade Chad Johnson and haven't even discussed the possibility.
"No. 1, the guy has a contract through 2011, OK," Lewis said. "Our player (Johnson), we know is very passionate about the game. He continues to play at a very, very high level. He has been very, very productive. He has been well-compensated. We've had a great relationship. That's not going to change."
and he just hit scumbag status
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcglN0E_cA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcglN0E_cA)
Didn't Tuna start calling TO "the player" at one point? LOL
Not sure about that but I still laugh everytime I even think about when he called Terry Glenn "she." :-D
Did Johnson really say the reason he didn't follow through on the trips is because someone died in his family?
Ugh.
Get Crumpler!
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Die.
the guy looks like he is with a 11 year old sex slave :o
its rare to see a pic of an eagles fan without a beer. i mean come on! your riding a fargin elephant. get a damn beer and do the eagles chant
Don't get too upset about the pic, the Eagles are going to be playing a game there in '09. BTW how many rupees for a sex slave these days?
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Eagles Want Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald
Written by Micah Warren
Saturday, 16 February 2008
A source with knowledge of the situation has told me that the Philadelphia Eagles are going after Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald pretty hard. Fitzgerald, 24, will be 25 years old when the 2008 season starts and has already been to two Pro Bowls (2005, 2007).
The Eagles have been widely criticized for not having enough playmaking receivers on offense. Fitzgerald told 610 WIP sports radio in Philadelphia during Super Bowl week that the Eagles are on a short list of teams he'd like to play for if dealt (he backed off of that a bit during the Pro Bowl week).
It's one thing for the Eagles to want Fitgerald, it's another thing entirely for them to actually acquire him via trade. The Cardinals have put themselves in a spot by agreeing to a contract that gives him a base salary of $14.592 million for 2008 and $17.355 million for 2009. Numbers that are absolutely ridiculous for any wide receiver. The Cardinals want to sign him to a long-term deal that would lower his cap number and keep him a Cardinal. This quote is from the Arizona Republic:
I feel like the talks have been progressing," [Cardinals GM Rod] Graves said of negotiations with Fitzgerald's agent, Eugene Parker. "I don't want to over-characterize our discussions. I do think Larry has indicated a strong desire to remain with our team, and Eugene has reiterated that a number of times."
There remains the distinct possibility that Fitgerald signs with the Cardinals, but with linebackers Karlos Dansby (franchise tag) and Calvin Pace (impending free agent) having contract issues of their own, the football team in Arizona has its hands full. AZCardinals.com reported on February 7th that the Cardinals had made Fitzgerald an offer, although Graves declined to get into specifics.
This is going to be a tough deal to get done. In order to get out of paying Fitgerald his ludicrous base salary, they have three options: Trade him, release him or re-negotiate with him. The Eagles represent one solution to this dilemma. It is not known exactly what it would take to pry Fitzgerald from the Cardinals' clutches, but with the Cardinals facing 4th and 15 and a full-court press (thanks "Naked Gun"), they may be in line to get a decent deal on him. Of course, this will be if the Eagles have negotiated a long-term deal with him prior to the deal. I don't care what team you name, they won't pay a wide receiver (even a good one) $14.592 million for a season.
Fitgerald has twice caught 100 balls or more in a season (103 in 2005, 100 in 2007) and rang up 1,409 receiving yards in both of those years.
Good god yes please.
Of potentially available options, Fitz is my number one (over Moss and Johnson, mostly because of the head-case factor).
Quote from: Micah Warren
I don't care what team you name, they won't pay a wide receiver (even a good one) $14.592 million for a season.
Washington taterskins.
we have a winner!!
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 17, 2008, 08:40:20 AM
Of potentially available options, Fitz is my number one (over Moss and Johnson, mostly because of the head-case factor).
Yeah, and also because of his age. Sign Fitz to a 6 year deal and he is still only 30 when it is up. Moss and Johnson are already 30+.
oh my god.
Fitzgerald to me, is the best option out of the WRs that are being talked about. I'd love Johnson, but Fitzgerald....:drool:
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 17, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
Quote from: Micah Warren
I don't care what team you name, they won't pay a wide receiver (even a good one) $14.592 million for a season.
Washington taterskins.
But only if you're name is Brandon Lloyd.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 17, 2008, 08:40:20 AM
Of potentially available options, Fitz is my number one (over Moss and Johnson, mostly because of the head-case factor).
Of all the recievers we've talked about here (Fitz, Moss, CJ and Williams), Fitz would be my #1 too. But I've also figured that out of those 4, he would be the least likely.
My Wishlist (in preference order)
1. Fitz
2. CJ
3. Williams
4. Moss
My Wishlist (In order of likelyhood)
1. Williams
2. CJ
3. Moss
4. Fitz
I wouldn't mind Stallworth back on the team either, if the Pats cut him. He wanted to stay in Philly in principle but then there was that thing about him being in the league substance abuse program that was leaked, and also that Rosenhaus didn't tell him that the Eagles basically matched the Pat's deal until after he signed. Maybe too much behind the scenes shtein.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 14+ mil make Fitz the highest paid player on the team? Over twice as much as Dmac?
Quote from: shorebird on February 17, 2008, 11:15:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 14+ mil make Fitz the highest paid player on the team? Over twice as much as Dmac?
I think McNabb's salary is somewhere around $9mil for 2008. So it wouldn't be twice that of McNabb's but there would definitely be a substantial difference.
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 17, 2008, 11:14:21 AM
I wouldn't mind Stallworth back on the team either, if the Pats cut him. He wanted to stay in Philly in principle but then there was that thing about him being in the league substance abuse program that was leaked, and also that Rosenhaus didn't tell him that the Eagles basically matched the Pat's deal until after he signed. Maybe too much behind the scenes shtein.
I wouldn't mind that either but I don't think Stallworth is anywhere near any of the 4 big name recievers being thrown out there. The offense definitely ran better with him here, but I don't think he brings nearly as much as Fitz, Roy or CJ would. IMO, Stallworth is kind of a poor man's Randy Moss and I would take any of those 3 over Moss.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2008, 11:04:04 AMMy Wishlist (In order of likelyhood)
1. Williams
2. CJ
3. Moss
4. Fitz
Hmm, I'd put the odds at something like:
Williams 5%
Fitzgerald 3%
Johnson 1%
Moss 1%
Hackett/Stallworth caliber player 75%
Not even a Hackett/Stallworth caliber player 15%
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2008, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 17, 2008, 11:14:21 AM
I wouldn't mind Stallworth back on the team either, if the Pats cut him. He wanted to stay in Philly in principle but then there was that thing about him being in the league substance abuse program that was leaked, and also that Rosenhaus didn't tell him that the Eagles basically matched the Pat's deal until after he signed. Maybe too much behind the scenes shtein.
I wouldn't mind that either but I don't think Stallworth is anywhere near any of the 4 big name recievers being thrown out there. The offense definitely ran better with him here, but I don't think he brings nearly as much as Fitz, Roy or CJ would. IMO, Stallworth is kind of a poor man's Randy Moss and I would take any of those 3 over Moss.
I agree. I was thinking Stallworth was like a rich man's Pinkston, but he's probably closer to a poor man's Moss, although he does go over the middle better than either.
That's the one thing Stallworth does do with some consistancy and the big thing I do like about him. Eventhough he's not a real big guy, he doesn't seem to be afraid to go anywhere on the field and go after a ball.
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 17, 2008, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2008, 11:04:04 AMMy Wishlist (In order of likelyhood)
1. Williams
2. CJ
3. Moss
4. Fitz
Hmm, I'd put the odds at something like:
Williams 5%
Fitzgerald 3%
Johnson 1%
Moss 1%
Hackett/Stallworth caliber player 75%
Not even a Hackett/Stallworth caliber player 15%
I've got CJ at #2 because everyone knows he's pissed and wants out so that doesn't give Cincy as much leverage when trying to negotiate a trade (if they do). The less a player is available for, the more likely the Eagles are to go after him. Williams is the clear #1 simply because Matt Millen is the GM and would probably trade Roy for Reno Mahe and a 5th round draft pick.
I put Fitz at the bottom because he's not screaming to get out of Az and is willing to rework his contract. Add in the fact that he's so young and the Cards could get a king's ransom for him on the trade block, which is something the Eagles absolutely will not give up.
I'd much rather have Stallworth over Hackett. Both could be considered injury prone but Stallworth is by far the better reciever overall imo. Plus, I've still got my Stallworth jersey.
roy williams (if hes even available) is the best of the lot...i give him a slight edge over fitzgerald cause he much better at stretching the field and is only a little bit smaller...he can really do it all
please get one of the lot...i don't care just someone better
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 17, 2008, 12:28:57 PM
roy williams (if hes even available) is the best of the lot...i give him a slight edge over fitzgerald cause he much better at stretching the field and is only a little bit smaller...he can really do it all
Williams is a very good player who should get to multiple pro bowls. Fitzgerald is a potential Hall of Famer. I see no possible way you could say Williams is better. He's faster, but that's about the only thing he has over Fitz. Not leaping ability, not even close to the same hands.
And better stretching the field? Each have played 4 years:
Williams 62 catches of 20+ yards, 13 catches of 40+ yards
Fitzgerald 72 catches of 20+ yards, 11 catches of 40+ yards
There's no way Roy is "much better" at stretching the field. If I had to pick what wide receiver that Kolb starts his career with, it's Fitzgerald easily. Way more consistent. Much better hands.
Although obviously, any Eagle fan would be a farging retard to turn either down.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2008, 12:19:12 PMI've got CJ at #2 because everyone knows he's pissed and wants out so that doesn't give Cincy as much leverage when trying to negotiate a trade (if they do). The less a player is available for, the more likely the Eagles are to go after him. Williams is the clear #1 simply because Matt Millen is the GM and would probably trade Roy for Reno Mahe and a 5th round draft pick.
Detroit is entertaining offers for Williams, so that automatically makes him the most likely to be traded. He's still likely to remain a Lion though.
Fitzgerald needs a big contract restructure to stay in Arizona, and according to latest reports the Eagles are interested in him. I think that makes him second-most likely. Again, he will probably remain a Cardinal though.
I think Fitz is more likely than Johnson because 1) Marvin Lewis has been all over the place flat-out saying there's no way in hell he'll trade Johnson no matter how upset he is, 2) Johnson won't hold out, 3) Johnson's been acting a little too TO-like lately for the Eagles FO's tastes, 4) the Skins badly want Johnson and would easily outbid the Eagles for him, even with their salary cap difficulty.
Moss will probably be franchised, and if he's not, he's going to ask for a record-breaking contract from someone. The Eagles won't pay that, especially for a known head case like Moss.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2008, 12:19:12 PMI'd much rather have Stallworth over Hackett. Both could be considered injury prone but Stallworth is by far the better reciever overall imo. Plus, I've still got my Stallworth jersey.
I agree with that, I just put them together as examples of the B list talent that the Eagles are much more likely to end up with.
Quote from: Dillen on February 17, 2008, 12:53:53 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 17, 2008, 12:28:57 PM
roy williams (if hes even available) is the best of the lot...i give him a slight edge over fitzgerald cause he much better at stretching the field and is only a little bit smaller...he can really do it all
Williams is a very good player who should get to multiple pro bowls. Fitzgerald is a potential Hall of Famer. I see no possible way you could say Williams is better. He's faster, but that's about the only thing he has over Fitz. Not leaping ability, not even close to the same hands.
And better stretching the field? Each have played 4 years:
Williams 62 catches of 20+ yards, 13 catches of 40+ yards
Fitzgerald 72 catches of 20+ yards, 11 catches of 40+ yards
There's no way Roy is "much better" at stretching the field. If I had to pick what wide receiver that Kolb starts his career with, it's Fitzgerald easily. Way more consistent. Much better hands.
yes he is...hes a burner...fitzgerald is not...20 plus yard catches are great but its not exactly stretching the field...williams has like four or five td catches of more than 50 yards...fitzgerald has none...thats strecthing the field...my only concern with williams is his injuries...hes played five less games than fitzgerald in the same amount of seasons....but his monster play ability in my book gives him the slight edge in who id rather have...like you said tho cant go wrong with either
Put Fitzgerald and a healthy McNabb together with Westbrook and you can start polishing the trophy case.
That's why it will never happen, though. We don't have that sort of luck.
McNabb/Westbrook/Fitzgerald/Curtis/Healthy LJ Smith
:drool
And I'd assume in 3 WR sets they'd bring Reggie in and put Curtis in the slot where he's most effective.
Why can't the Eagles just stop being cheap iceholes and do it. :'(
Sielski article on Dawk's twin daughters and how they almost died (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-02172008-1489180.html)
Quote from: Dillen on February 17, 2008, 12:53:53 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 17, 2008, 12:28:57 PM
roy williams (if hes even available) is the best of the lot...i give him a slight edge over fitzgerald cause he much better at stretching the field and is only a little bit smaller...he can really do it all
Williams is a very good player who should get to multiple pro bowls. Fitzgerald is a potential Hall of Famer. I see no possible way you could say Williams is better. He's faster, but that's about the only thing he has over Fitz. Not leaping ability, not even close to the same hands.
And better stretching the field? Each have played 4 years:
Williams 62 catches of 20+ yards, 13 catches of 40+ yards
Fitzgerald 72 catches of 20+ yards, 11 catches of 40+ yards
There's no way Roy is "much better" at stretching the field. If I had to pick what wide receiver that Kolb starts his career with, it's Fitzgerald easily. Way more consistent. Much better hands.
Although obviously, any Eagle fan would be a farging retard to turn either down.
I agree with just about everything you said. Roy Williams has more speed and maybe more of a breakaway threat, but Fitzgerald doesn't put up insane numbers every year out of luck. He has skills. He isn't a burner, but uses his body extremely well, has amazing hands, and just finds ways to get open. He isn't going to turn a 5 yard slant into a 70 yard TD, but he will go up and make big plays, catch the ball, and break some tackles.
farg.
damn
Why in god's name do you keep mentioning Kolb? If he starts this season or even next season for that matter there's no reason to even get a star WR who is commanding 15 million a year because the front office would have already aborted that season anyway.
Quote from: Billy Beane on February 17, 2008, 09:27:28 PM
Why in god's name do you keep mentioning Kolb? If he starts this season or even next season for that matter there's no reason to even get a star WR who is commanding 15 million a year because the front office would have already aborted that season anyway.
Quote from: Dillen on February 17, 2008, 08:49:33 PM
farg.
Quote from: SunMo on February 17, 2008, 08:49:54 PM
damn
Kolb?
nicknames
god forbid a developing qb get some weapons
yep.
He already did. This is why McNabb had Thrash and Pinkston.
Darnell Autry was a huge part of McNabb's growth too.
Reggie and the white guy will grow with Kolb. Everything's fine!
Kolb2TheWhiteGuy!
My new s/n!
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/players/spotlight/33.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 17, 2008, 08:43:36 PM
Sielski article on Dawk's twin daughters and how they almost died (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-02172008-1489180.html)
wow.
And Jesus, will you dumbasses stop talking about Kolb EVER starting this year for any reason other than McNabb getting injured?
Repeat after me...they are not going to go into the season with Kolb starting.
Yes they are.
agreed
Kolb takes 100% of the snaps this year. Book it.
110% if you ask me
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 17, 2008, 10:56:04 PM
Darnell Autry, Amp Lee, Eric Bieniemy and Na Brown were a huge part of McNabb's growth too.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 18, 2008, 09:38:13 AM
Kolb takes 100% of the FG/PAT snaps this year. Book it.
Part 2 of the Dawk article (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-02182008-1489567.html)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 18, 2008, 08:35:49 AM
And Jesus, will you dumbasses stop talking about Kolb EVER starting this year for any reason other than McNabb getting injured?
Repeat after me...they are not going to go into the season with Kolb starting.
Will
you dumbasses actually read the topic? You and Billy Beane brought it up. No one else.
Heckert's supposed to be on Daily Eagle at Noon. Nothing so far... :deion
The Kevin Kolb question that Heckert dodged was mine. :-D
Browsing through that Eagles Live thread real quick, it looks like WillPete is 100% gone, they haven't decided on Kearse yet, McNabb isn't going anywhere, and DE/CB is where they need help. Was that it?
They just said on NFL live that a source says the Eagles are shopping Lito Sheppard.
I can't say i'm extremely shocked, but still...when healthy he's been the only playmaker they've had. Maybe this means they'll go after Samuel?
Team Tito disapproves of this.
Quote from: Munson on February 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM
They just said on NFL live that a source says the Eagles are shopping Lito Sheppard.
I can't say i'm extremely shocked, but still...when healthy he's been the only playmaker they've had. Maybe this means they'll go after Samuel?
His health is an issue though.
He could be trade bait for a WR. (Roy/Fitz) and the Eagles could go after a CB.
I bet they go after Trufant.
I bet you we get draft picks for 09. Yay never getting better now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 18, 2008, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM
They just said on NFL live that a source says the Eagles are shopping Lito Sheppard.
I can't say i'm extremely shocked, but still...when healthy he's been the only playmaker they've had. Maybe this means they'll go after Samuel?
His health is an issue though.
He could be trade bait for a WR. (Roy/Fitz) and the Eagles could go after a CB.
I bet they go after Trufant.
That's not a bad idea. Do the Cards need another CB? I know they like what they got with Hood, who's their other guy?
Lito + what pick for Fitz?
Lito's been all but useless the past three years. I wouldn't be sad to see him go. My buddy who played golf with him last year would be crushed so there's another reason for him to go right there.
Quote from: Rome on February 18, 2008, 05:46:43 PM
Lito's been all but useless the past three years.
Tito's has some issues staying healthy (only played/started all 16 games once his entire career - 2003), this is true. But useless? Come on, man. 11 ints in 3 years is hardly useless. He's an excellent corner, who's physical and doesn't give up many big plays. Hell, in something like his last 8 games vs Dallas he's got 8 interceptions and I believe 3 of them went for scores (not to mention the game saving) TD against them in 2006.
He's usually matched up against opponents #1 reciever and does a pretty good job shutting them down. He's one of the few guys in the league that you can leave on and island, 1 on 1 vs most of the game's best recievers for 10 or so plays a game and be confidant that he won't give anything up.
The injury/health thing is a concern but plenty of guys go through a few years with injury during their careers and get over it. Hell, look at Westbrook. He's still young (27 in April) and solid corners of his caliber aren't that easy to come by.
Quote from: Munson on February 18, 2008, 04:30:41 PM
They just said on NFL live that a source says the Eagles are shopping Lito Sheppard.
I can't say i'm extremely shocked, but still...when healthy he's been the only playmaker they've had. Maybe this means they'll go after Samuel?
the report said the eagles gave lito permission to shop around for a trade...not that the eagles are shopping lito. probably just a technicality but it sounds more like lito wanting out than the eagles wanting him out.
Whatever the reason, they better have a good replacement plan namely Trufant or Samuel because despite his health issues, he is indeed a playmaker.
My guess is Tito wants more money. He ain't gettin' it from The National Bank of Banner so he wants out. Fine; get something good in return and sign a damn stud to replace him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 18, 2008, 06:55:14 PM
My guess is Tito wants more money. He ain't gettin' it from The National Bank of Banner so he wants out.
good guess.
d-gunn just said pretty much the same thing.
I've been sick of his ass for years now. He's an excellent player when healthy, but he's never farging healthy.
If they play this right (don't get spiteful towards Tito for asking for cash) they can flip him into something good and get after one of the FA CB's.
But they had better be shopping him now so they can hit the FA market hard.
Because if they;
1. Trade him and replace him with a shteinbag
2. Trade him and draft a guy hoping he's good and if he sucks they're stuck with Joselio starting
3. Keep him to spite him and he's angry
They'd be stupid.
Not sure I buy this one. If they trade him they take a cap hit almost equal to his salary this year. Then who replaces him? If they get a FA who is any good, they pay out more guaranteed money just after taking a cap hit from Lito's guaranteed $. They would have to get someone of good value in a trade, probably a player that doesn't want much, if anything in the way of a new contract for this to fly. Otherwise, it just doesn't sound like the FO's MO imo.
I think they would save 500K on the cap. Or take a 500K cap hit, either way its not too bad.
I don't understand how money can be a question for him. He hasn't earned what he's been paid in the past three years as it is. farging stupid jocks.
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 18, 2008, 07:14:39 PMOtherwise, it just doesn't sound like the FO's MO imo.
We should have awards for things like that. Nice one.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 18, 2008, 07:17:19 PM
I think they would save 500K on the cap. Or take a 500K cap hit, either way its not too bad.
They would save 500K net, but they would still take about a $3 million cap hit, which I think the FO would take as bad. They net 500K, but you still have to figure in the salary of Lito's replacement to get the whole net effect at the position. It wouldn't be absolutely prohibitive, but I think you'd have to get something really good back in a trade.
Quote from: hbionic on February 18, 2008, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 18, 2008, 07:14:39 PMOtherwise, it just doesn't sound like the FO's MO imo.
We should have awards for things like that. Nice one.
Thanks! I spent a few days developing that one and
voila
Lito is apparently pissed about his contract. Why dont these idiots just say no when the contract is put out there rather than sign and bitch in 2 years. Trade his ass to get picks to get Fitz, and pick up Asante Samuel
Quote from: Munson on February 18, 2008, 05:34:35 PMDo the Cards need another CB? I know they like what they got with Hood, who's their other guy?
Eric Green
Adrian Wilson at SS
Antrel Rolle at FS
lol at the front office minions coming out of the woodwork to hate on lito.....pathetic
QuoteLito Sheppard thought it was a joke.
After a report surfaced that Sheppard is seeking a trade from the Eagles, Comcast SportsNet's Derrick Gunn called the two-time Pro Bowl cornerback to seek its validity.
"He told me he knew nothing about this," Gunn said Monday on the 6:30 p.m. SportsNite. "As a matter of fact, he thought I was joking until he realized that I wasn't."
Later Monday night, the Eagles denied the report.
"Any reports that suggest we have allowed Lito or his agent to seek a trade are absolutely and undeniably false," a team spokesman said.
The report stems from Sheppard's purported dissatisfaction with his contract, which he signed in 2004 and runs through 2011. He is scheduled to earn $2 million next season, $3 million in 2009, $3.7 million in 2010 and $4.25 million in 2011.
"He's felt that he has outperformed his contract, especially when he made the Pro Bowl (last season), and that after the 2007 season, he was going to see if the Eagles would redo his contract or he was going to push for a trade," Gunn said. "First and foremost, Lito wants to be in Philadelphia, but he wants to be what he is considering to be in the top 5 or 10 cornerbacks in the NFL.
"Now, if this is true, that the Eagles are going to allow Lito to seek a trade, that tells me first and foremost that the Eagles, like a lot of other teams out there are interested in Asante Samuel, who is expected to be on the free agent market. That could be rolling the dice a little bit."
Outperformed his contract?
Sure, if he played in all 16 games.
I think he could be a top 5-10 CB if he stayed healthy. But that's a bigger if then anyone else on the team.
since he has signed his deal he absolutely has outperformed making five million over the next two years...compare that money to other cb's in the nfl regardless of how many games they have played...he is easily underpaid
If he hadn't missed 14 games over the past three years he might have a point. Fact is, he's injury prone and even when he's healthy he's not a top-5 cornerback and I in all honesty I don't think he's a top 10 cornerback either.
And by the way... no one put a farging gun to his head and told him to sign his contract. It's a tired argument that he's outplayed his deal because his deal is what it is. He knew it when he signed it so he should abide by it.
His last three seasons.
2005: 10 games, 28 solo tackles, 3 INT's, 1 FF, 1 sack
2006: 13 games, 25 tackles, 6 INT's, 1 TD
2007: 11 games, 47 tackles, 2 INT's
No, he hasn't out performed his contract.
He can't stay healthy, and has played exactly one full season. And it's not like he's Westbrook has played so ridiculously well that it doesn't matter how many games he misses. A game or two a season isn't too bad (2004), but when you're missing 1/3rd or 1/4th of the season, it's bad.
ive said this before and ill say it again you should never weigh in on matters of money in pro sports because of youre incredible anti player stance and bias towards management and ownership
and regardless whether you think lito is a top ten cb (and he def is) the fact remains that he is underpaid...just take a gander around the nfl at the cb's being paid as much or more than him
injuries you have a leg to stand on...he definitely needs to stay healthier...but when hes on the field hes one of the best in the nfl
1 more stat....
He only had 9 passes defended in 05, and 5 this year, according to the stats.
2006 was by far his best year, where he defended 19 passes. 1 great year doesn't=outperforming contract.
Now if he played 15 or 16 games a year, like in 04, and consistently put up stats like that...then sure.
Here's his contract details:
Lito Sheppard-Sheppard signed an 8 year, $26,314,000 deal during the 2004 season that included an 8.7 mil signing bonus prorated over 6 years. As part of his rookie deal, he received a 3.4 mil signing bonus prorated over 5 years. His cap numbers are as follows:
2004: $2,610,750 (480.75K base salary+680K proration+1.45 mil proration)
2005: $2,661,000 (531K basae salary+680K proration+1.45 mil proration; $8,610,000 dead money if cut)
2006: $2,742,250 (612,250 base+680K pro.+1.45 mil proration; $6,480,000 dead money if cut)
2007: $2,450,000 (1 mil base salary+1.45 mil proration; $4,350,000 dead money if cut)
2008: $3,450,000 (2 mil base salary+1.45 mil proration; $2,900,000 dead money if cut)
2009: $4,450,000 (3 mil base salary+1.45 mil proration; $1,450,000 dead money if cut)
2010: $3,700,000 (base salary)
2011: $4,250,000 (base salary)
stop quoting cb stats...they mean nothing...anyone who knows even a little about football knows that lito is a all pro caliber corner when healthy and even with his games missed hes worth more than hes being paid...if he were on the FA market he would get a ton of money...when the gary baxters rod hoods and anthony henrys are making more than you then something is wrong
The Eagles can't tear contracts up and reschedule them all the time because it would throw their entire financial structure into chaos. If that's what you want then start cheering for the maroon & gold.
Quote from: Rome on February 18, 2008, 10:11:31 PM
The Eagles can't tear contracts up and reschedule them all the time because it would throw their entire financial structure into chaos. If that's what you want then start cheering for the maroon & gold.
fair point and im not saying they should tear up his contract...but he is underpaid and is losing all his prime money making years on his current contract...i dont blame the eagles if they dont renegotiate because of the injuries but i also dont blame lito for trying to get more money
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 18, 2008, 10:11:18 PM
stop quoting cb stats...they mean nothing...anyone who knows even a little about football knows that lito is a all pro caliber corner when healthy and even with his games missed hes worth more than hes being paid...if he were on the FA market he would get a ton of money...when the gary baxters rod hoods and anthony henrys are making more than you then something is wrong
He IS an all pro CB when healthy...WHEN HEALTHY being a big issue considering he's been averaging missing about 1/4th of the season the last 3 years. 1/4th of a season is 4 games. 4 games is the differece between 8-8 and out of the playoffs, and 10-6 or 11-5 and in.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 18, 2008, 09:44:20 PM
since he has signed his deal he absolutely has outperformed making five million over the next two years...compare that money to other cb's in the nfl regardless of how many games they have played...he is easily underpaid
Keep me out of the Minion group, i dont disagree that he is underpaid, its the whole bullshtein in the NFL at this point of players complaining that they dont make enough. You sign what you sign. Plus the fact that he's been injured as much as Donovan seemingly since the SB run
saw a report on ESPN First Take this morning about the WRs available. dont know who the "analyst" was but he said detroit is more likely shopping around shaun mcdonald and roy williams is not going anywhere.
:(
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 18, 2008, 10:41:16 PM
saw a report on ESPN First Take this morning about the WRs available. dont know who the "analyst" was but he said detroit is more likely shopping around shaun mcdonald and roy williams is not going anywhere.
:(
That's been the news for weeks. The Lions will at least listen to offers for Williams though, which is a lot more than can be said about some of the other #1 guys mentioned in this thread. Of course they would rather keep Williams than McDonald though. Even Matt Millen isn't
that retarded.
If you're holding out hope that the Eagles will land any of these elite guys, you're setting yourself up for another disappointing offseason. Expect a #2 guy, and it'll be a pleasant surprise if the unlikely happens and the Eagles pick up a Pro Bowl WR.
Quote from: Rome on February 18, 2008, 09:56:13 PM
If he hadn't missed 14 games over the past three years he might have a point. Fact is, he's injury prone and even when he's healthy he's not a top-5 cornerback and I in all honesty I don't think he's a top 10 cornerback either.
And by the way... no one put a farging gun to his head and told him to sign his contract. It's a tired argument that he's outplayed his deal because his deal is what it is. He knew it when he signed it so he should abide by it.
Ah... so it's posts like this that made the phrase "STFU, Rome" so popular.
Asante Samuel, Champ Bailey, Antonio Cromartie, Marcus Trufant, Terence Newman, Dre Bly, Rashean Mathis, Chris McAlister, Ronde Barber & DeAngelo Hall are all at least as good as Lito, if not better.
ha..very nice. Alot of truth there..all proven pro-bowlers, but I think Sheppard has the edge over Newman
To be fair I think Lito is a terrific player and great cornerback. But there are other players in the league who are superior to him simply because they stay on the field for all 16 games. Like it or not his resiliency is a big question mark and if he's seriously expecting the Eagles to redo his deal, then he should have his head examined.
Everyone get aboard the Mushin Muhammad train.....
Quote from: Father Demon on February 19, 2008, 11:21:51 AM
Everyone get aboard the Mushin Muhammad train.....
I'd take a look at him for sure. Chicago never had a QB to throw to him.
Quote from: Rome on February 19, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
Asante Samuel, Champ Bailey, Antonio Cromartie, Marcus Trufant, Terence Newman, Dre Bly, Rashean Mathis, Chris McAlister, Ronde Barber & DeAngelo Hall are all at least as good as Lito, if not better.
To be fair, two of those guys (Bly and Barber) would be nothing without the cover 2. I don't disagree with you though.
EDIT - yeah, Bly is on Denver now. farg.
Quote from: Phanatic on February 19, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on February 19, 2008, 11:21:51 AM
Everyone get aboard the Mushin Muhammad train.....
I'd take a look at him for sure. Chicago never had a QB to throw to him.
Do you see him filling the #1 hole Philly has had since TO went, well, all TO on them? Muhammad certainly wouldn't be on the bottom of the depth list, but I don't see him as the true #1 this team needs.
Quote from: Dillen on February 19, 2008, 12:05:09 PM
To be fair, Barber would be nothing without Donovan McNabb
Quote from: Father Demon on February 19, 2008, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on February 19, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on February 19, 2008, 11:21:51 AM
Everyone get aboard the Mushin Muhammad train.....
I'd take a look at him for sure. Chicago never had a QB to throw to him.
Do you see him filling the #1 hole Philly has had since TO went, well, all TO on them? Muhammad certainly wouldn't be on the bottom of the depth list, but I don't see him as the true #1 this team needs.
Muhammed is like 34 or 35 years old. He can still play and has excellent size and hands but imo, he's kind of like Chris Carter in the last few years of his career only not as good. Would have been interested in him 4 years ago but not so much now. At least, not to be the #1 guy.
i was looking at his stats the other day and i knew he had a good year for carolina in 2004 but i couldnt believe he had 16 touchdowns that season...unreal
Yeah, that was the year that Smith broke his leg I think.
Maybe he'd do alright as a TE for a year to two, especially since they aren't required to block anymore...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 19, 2008, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: Dillen on February 19, 2008, 12:05:09 PM
To be fair, Barber would be nothing without Donovan McNabb
Quote from: Father Demon on February 19, 2008, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on February 19, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on February 19, 2008, 11:21:51 AM
Everyone get aboard the Mushin Muhammad train.....
I'd take a look at him for sure. Chicago never had a QB to throw to him.
Do you see him filling the #1 hole Philly has had since TO went, well, all TO on them? Muhammad certainly wouldn't be on the bottom of the depth list, but I don't see him as the true #1 this team needs.
Muhammed is like 34 or 35 years old. He can still play and has excellent size and hands but imo, he's kind of like Chris Carter in the last few years of his career only not as good. Would have been interested in him 4 years ago but not so much now. At least, not to be the #1 guy.
he is actually looking to get resigned or has a great interest to Carolina according to reports. Sure would help Steve Smith
Don't know if he'd be a #1 wr but at least he'd be keeping with the team strategy of collecting 2 and 3 guys...
Muhammed is trash.
We were all tossing around the ridic trades that people would have to offer the Eags to get McNabb.
It made me think, what is McNabb's value in comparison to Derek Anderson?
I would think they would be pretty equal at this point, with McNabb's superior skills outwieghed by his age and injury history.
Anderson was tendered, so he would need a first and third to pry him loose and a new deal.
McNabb would need a new deal naywhere he went b/c of the Cap, and I don't see people offering much more than a first and third for him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 19, 2008, 02:34:41 PM
i was looking at his stats the other day and i knew he had a good year for carolina in 2004 but i couldnt believe he had 16 touchdowns that season...unreal
igy I've been saying for years that Mushin Muhammad is the modern-day Art Monk stats-wise... better save a space in Canton for him.
You mean Muhammed is going to be the all time leader in receptions when he retires?
Brian Mitchell can run the 40 is better time than Muhammad now.
Some douche with the s/n Taz on KFFL claims he has an Eagles source:
QuoteMy source is telling me Zona is asking for a 1st, 2nd and Todd Heremens for Fitzgerald. The Eagles have offered two number 2's and would be ok with dealing Heremens. They really are not that far off.
Its 100% bullshtein but it got me thinking and I'd be okay with 2 2nds and Herremans for Fitz. MJG can slide into the LG spot, the Eagles are the worst team in the league at picking in the 2nd round so that's a wash.
It would be fine with me to give them 1 2 and Herremans for Fitzgerald..farg it, the Eagles need a bona fide #1. It's a high price but I just don't see the Eagles landing any player of his caliber, at any position, through the draft, except perhaps by accident.
WTF?
A 1, 2 & Manneans for Larry Fitzgerald? That's it??
DO IT.
NOW!
suggs was franchised.
Quote from: Rome on February 19, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
Asante Samuel, Champ Bailey, Antonio Cromartie, Marcus Trufant, Terence Newman, Dre Bly, Rashean Mathis, Chris McAlister, Ronde Barber & DeAngelo Hall are all at least as good as Lito, if not better.
Nope, disagree... I'd take a healthy Lito over any of those guys I highlighted and even Chris McAllister is borderline cuz of his age. Lito's definitely a bigger playmaker.
Tom Heckert interviewed about the return game:
" I think the JR and Reno did real well this year"."The most important thing is we have a guy back there that won't fumble the ball". " The running after the catch is great but not really that important".
He even started talking about how Devin Hester fumbles it a lot and how he guesses he makes up for it with his td returns.
Man, he was THAT close to going to Atlanta
More sources that make you think they are really going for this guy. I dont know who Micah Warren is, and how he posted on GCobb's website. They might be friends..who knows. This is his second reporting and another source confirmed in 2 days that the Eagles are pushing real hard for Fitzgerald.
http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-eagles-want-larry-fitzgerald/ (http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-eagles-want-larry-fitzgerald/)
http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-eagles-are-loading-up-for-a-run/ (http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-eagles-are-loading-up-for-a-run/)
Quote from: reese125 on February 20, 2008, 10:16:13 AM
Tom Heckert interviewed about the return game:
" I think the JR and Reno did real well this year"."The most important thing is we have a guy back there that won't fumble the ball". " The running after the catch is great but not really that important".
He even started talking about how Devin Hester fumbles it a lot and how he guesses he makes up for it with his td returns.
Man, he was THAT close to going to Atlanta
no he did not say that. your making it up. no one can be that dumb. more so no one can think any fanbase or logical football fan can buy that or believe that.
no i do not believe it. he must be saying it with a sarcastic tone. sarcasm.
Quote from: reese125 on February 20, 2008, 10:35:58 AM
More sources that make you think they are really going for this guy. I dont know who Micah Warren is, and how he posted on GCobb's website. They might be friends..who knows. This is his second reporting and another source confirmed in 2 days that the Eagles are pushing real hard for Fitzgerald.
http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-eagles-want-larry-fitzgerald/ (http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-eagles-want-larry-fitzgerald/)
http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-eagles-are-loading-up-for-a-run/ (http://blastmagazine.com/2008/02/source-eagles-are-loading-up-for-a-run/)
those blogs should be aborted, what a joke of a SOURCE
seriously reese please stop posting this garbage
Hey, and Fitzgerald knows his way around Arizona, where Donovan trains! Perfect!
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 20, 2008, 10:47:52 AM
those blogs should be aborted, what a joke of a SOURCE
I wrote a blog on my myspace about how the Eagles are pushing hard to get Fitz, Lance Briggs, Adelius Thomas, and that they are currently in negotiations with a high ranking spanish wizard to purchase a spell that would bring Reggie White and Jerome Brown back from the dead. Are you saying it lacks credibility?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 20, 2008, 10:43:46 AM
Quote from: reese125 on February 20, 2008, 10:16:13 AM
Tom Heckert interviewed about the return game:
" I think the JR and Reno did real well this year"."The most important thing is we have a guy back there that won't fumble the ball". " The running after the catch is great but not really that important".
He even started talking about how Devin Hester fumbles it a lot and how he guesses he makes up for it with his td returns.
Man, he was THAT close to going to Atlanta
no he did not say that. your making it up. no one can be that dumb. more so no one can think any fanbase or logical football fan can buy that or believe that.
no i do not believe it. he must be saying it with a sarcastic tone. sarcasm.
I took the quote from the forum, but I just listened to it on PE.com front page and its not that far off
--TD's are great on punt returns, but its the avg is really the most important thing to look at. He did say the Hester comment about him fumbling, but makes up for it by the TD's
--Buck and JR Reed did a solid job, the most important is not fumbling. He likes the draft class for returners
--"WR is not a need. The tandem of Brown and Curtis did really well. If we see someone that we like, we will make a run. Say what you want...Brown caught 60 balls and Curtis caught alot of passes."
--Does not really know how the LB situation will shake out, who will play middle, etc.
oh the offseason ^-^
Eagles broadcasts return to WIP (in addition to 94) (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080220_WIP_will_also_carry_Eagles_games.html)
from the fwiw dept
howard says he will be releasing some "major" news this half hour regarding he eagles...and banner will be on the air to talk about it...im guessing its off the field news having to do with the business side of the franchise but if youre interested in what it may be flip on wip
probably my news one post up
oh yeah probably....howard should be shot then acting as if its breaking news...i mean it is big for wip but jesus welcome to last year
I just caught the tail end of it. Sounds like it was the annoucement about WIP getting the games.
HUGE!
Quote from: reese125 on February 20, 2008, 11:16:49 AM--TD's are great on punt returns, but its the avg is really the most important thing to look at.
The Eagles were 24th in both kick return average and punt return average, so I guess Heckert is admitting that the Eagles suck at the most important thing about returns.
Quote from: reese125 on February 20, 2008, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 20, 2008, 10:43:46 AM
Quote from: reese125 on February 20, 2008, 10:16:13 AM
Tom Heckert interviewed about the return game:
" I think the JR and Reno did real well this year"."The most important thing is we have a guy back there that won't fumble the ball". " The running after the catch is great but not really that important".
He even started talking about how Devin Hester fumbles it a lot and how he guesses he makes up for it with his td returns.
Man, he was THAT close to going to Atlanta
no he did not say that. your making it up. no one can be that dumb. more so no one can think any fanbase or logical football fan can buy that or believe that.
no i do not believe it. he must be saying it with a sarcastic tone. sarcasm.
I took the quote from the forum, but I just listened to it on PE.com front page and its not that far off
--TD's are great on punt returns, but its the avg is really the most important thing to look at. He did say the Hester comment about him fumbling, but makes up for it by the TD's
--Buck and JR Reed did a solid job, the most important is not fumbling. He likes the draft class for returners
--"WR is not a need. The tandem of Brown and Curtis did really well. If we see someone that we like, we will make a run. Say what you want...Brown caught 60 balls and Curtis caught alot of passes."
--Does not really know how the LB situation will shake out, who will play middle, etc.
I dont know whether to laugh or cry.
I know he wont say much because FA is about to start and no one says dick anyways, but the sad thing is those jackasses believe that trash.
same song 5 years running Phreak..no different
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 20, 2008, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: reese125 on February 20, 2008, 11:16:49 AM--TD's are great on punt returns, but its the avg is really the most important thing to look at.
The Eagles were 24th in both kick return average and punt return average
(http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/consistency.jpg)
(if CF had an adopt-a-site program, i'd nominate my fave, despair.com. Kindered souls sort of).
What about Vilma?
The accepted knowlegde on him is that he is an excellent LB, but he does not fit the 3-4 and Jets will trade him this offseason.
I guess everyone will say that the Eags don't give a damn about LB and will never shell out money or draft pickts for it.
The LB's are fine.
Mike Doss will probably be released by vikes.
Could be a good pick-up at safety, he's only 26 and is reasonably competent.
In Considine Mikell Marcus Paschal we trust!
Brookover says the Eagles won't make an offer to Tapeh. yay new FB
Tony Hunt would be great if only he could block NFL players.
Eagles Reid stresses defense (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080222_Reid_stresses_need_to_make_defense_better.html/)
Quote from: reese125 on February 22, 2008, 10:51:30 AM
Eagles Reid stresses defense (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080222_Reid_stresses_need_to_make_defense_better.html/)
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080222_Reid_stresses_need_to_make_defense_better.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080222_Reid_stresses_need_to_make_defense_better.html)
Much better. Next time, don't try the "hard" way. Guys like you need to keep it very basic.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 22, 2008, 11:55:45 AM
Much better. Next time, don't try the "hard" way. Guys like you need to keep it very basic.
thanks coach
alright now who's going to copy paste the whole article and bold the important parts for me?
Quote from: reese125 on February 22, 2008, 11:53:56 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080222_Reid_stresses_need_to_make_defense_better.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080222_Reid_stresses_need_to_make_defense_better.html)
QuoteRegardless of what happens in free agency and the draft, Banner believes that a third form of self-improvement is gathering steam in the NFL.
"We'll have to see, but there is much more trade conversation going on now than I have ever seen," Banner said. "There are more players that teams are open to moving that have roster bonuses in March. Sometimes you have all those conversations and it doesn't really lead to much activity. But there's definitely more conversation about trades going on at this time than I ever remember, and I think it's likely going to translate.
"We're not going to become baseball. You're not going to see a zillion trades, but I do think you'll see an increase in the number of trades."
I've noticed this over the last several years. There used to be very few players getting traded in the league. Mostly just draft picks were being swapped. Or if a player was dealt, it was usually someone with little experience and the trades pretty much only happened in the offseason.
Now you've got a few starting/starting caliber players being traded every year. It seems like teams that are looking to rebuild are especially getting involved in the trade market. Minnesota traded Moss for draft picks and the Raiders did the same. The Dolphins traded Chambers mid-season which is almost unheard of because football is so much more complex than any other sport that you can't just show up and play. You gotta learn the playbook.
It's an interesting trend that's been picking up some steam lately.
Eagles signed WR Brandon Childress to a two-year contract.
Your new return specialist!
who?
He and Jamal Jones will get in the mix here and compete.
He's really going to push the starting guys *cough*, Reggie, Kevin, he's gonna push them and make them better so *cough* this was a good move to make.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bucky_brooks/02/22/notes/index.html
Quote"Despite being the top guard available on the market, Alan Faneca may have a difficult time finding a team willing to meet his salary demands. The seven-time Pro Bowl lineman is rumored to be seeking a deal that surpasses Steve Hutchinson's deal (seven years, $49 million) from two years ago. While several teams would love to add Faneca to their lineup, his age (31) will deter teams from committing to a high-priced, long-term deal.
League officials expect Faneca to sign a deal that is four to five years in length, with average salaries near the $7 million range. Also, there is a rumor floating in league circles that the Eagles will emerge as a dark horse candidate to make a strong play. Supposedly, the Eagles are interested in having Faneca line up at guard, with two-time Pro Bowl guard Shawn Andrews moving to right tackle as a replacement for Jon Runyan."
no way...Andy hates OL
lololol they have Todd Herremans at left guard and Jamal Jackson at center and yet they are going to get rid of Runyan and try to peg Faneca as their big signing.
Jesus farging Christ.
I was thinking maybe they trade Herremans, move Faneca to LG. Then next season make Andrews the RT and Faneca the RG while MJG takes over at LG.
I wonder if Andy still thinks...if you have an average qb look good by a decent o-line, mcnabb looks good regardless (for the most part) of what's in front of him...guys can run around forever and not get open bc they suck, why, now, invest more in an o-line? i'd love to see a stud at LG, the todd had a rough year, but comitting that much of the cap towards another offensive lineman? it's pretty hard on the body at G, a lot of money and he's up there in age. it would be nice if he can play at a high level but...we have other needs. it would however allow us an additional 3 seconds to see andy call more bomb plays where the wr's can't get open and mcnabb getting blasted.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 22, 2008, 09:21:28 AM
Brookover says the Eagles won't make an offer to Tapeh. yay new FB
or CB Will James and DL Kimo von Oelhoffen
Sign Faneca.
Move Herremans into the LT back up spot.
MJG remains a career back up to Faneca and Andrews.
Justice gets moved to RT where he belongs and might be able to play at an NFL level.
FOR CHRIST SAKES LEAVE ANDREWS AT GUARD.
Yes, leave Andrews at guard. No, do not expect Justice to not suck. He sucks.
...
the collapse is complete
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 22, 2008, 06:21:41 PM
Yes, leave Andrews at guard. No, do not expect Justice to not suck. He sucks.
I refuse to believe he sucks after one NFL game at a posisition he didn't play in college.
Just like I refuse to believe Stewart Bradley is completely awesome after two games.
Yes, leave Andrews at guard.
why do you refuse to believe justice is not a starter but are already calling mjg a career back up?
If Andrews proves capable at RT, then I guess I can't complain. I'd rather see him stay inside but it's not like Reid runs the ball enough, or up the gut enough, to warrant cutting Big Kid loose up in there all game long, so if he's good at tackle, I'll keep my mouth shut on the point and bitch about other stupid AR shtein.
When he's behind guys like Andrews and Faneca, he's a back up.
I'm pretty sure Faneca is old though so MJG would get his shot in a few years regardless. He's a hell of a better 3rd guard then Scott Young.
and if hes indeed a starter dont spend a trillion dollars on faneca....that have much more pressing concerns than breaking the bank on a 50 year old guard...herremans and mjg fight for the other guard spot in camp...hopefully mjg is an improvement thats why they traded up for him...not so you had to spend money on a FA...if mjg cant beat out herremans then todd will do while they go after a DE/WR/S/CB/LB ect...
I would not mind seeing Faneca signed, but not at Hutchinson-type money. He's good, but not that good. I am also a fan of leaving Andrews inside, but I am not as worried about him moving to OT as I was a couple years ago because he has made himself into a stud. He's not a sloppy fatbody any longer.
Ideally they could unload Herremans and have Faneca play LG in 2008. In 2009 he'd move to RG with Andrews moving to RT and MJG playing LG.
Andrews is one of the best RGs in the league. Yes, I'm sure he could move outside and be a good RT, but I don't think he's capable of being an elite level player at that position. Don't move him.
Vilma's on the block.
Get him. For real.
I'm on board that bandwagon.
The LB corps was putrid for years and the FO absolutely refused to address it. Why would they do so now that it's half-decent??
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 22, 2008, 10:13:47 PM
Vilma's on the block.
Get him. For real.
You dont think something is odd there Phreak. He is considered one of the better LB's in the league, Pro-Bowl replacement 2nd yr, gets injured for the season and is on the trading block in his 5th year. His base salary was only going to be $1.1 million
Vilma is a 4-3 linebacker, Mangenious likes the 3-4 and has never seen eye to eye with vilma
Schefter's reporting the Eagles tried to restructure Kearse's contract but he declined, so he's expected to be released
shocking
not exactly shocking but what a douche.
Quote from: reese125 on February 22, 2008, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 22, 2008, 10:13:47 PM
Vilma's on the block.
Get him. For real.
You dont think something is odd there Phreak. He is considered one of the better LB's in the league, Pro-Bowl replacement 2nd yr, gets injured for the season and is on the trading block in his 5th year. His base salary was only going to be $1.1 million
Its pretty much what SB said...Vilma in the 3-4 is not a good fit.
But if the Jets are dumb enough to trade him, the Eagles better be smart enough to trade for him. They have some pieces to trade (Herremans, the Jets need OL or draft picks)
Wow...if Vilma is out there and they don't do anything, I'll :boom
Get ready to :boom because they're not going to go after him.
vilma would be a dream but phillybc is exactly right....they love the linebackers now and arent going to upgrade
and i cant believe people are worrying about guard of all positions...other than rb it might be the starting position that least needs to be addressed...the eagles arent exactly known for being free agent spenders so why would anyone want them using their money on a faneca...outside of it being some minimal contract which it most certainly wont...plus dook has mad wear and tear on him and isnt the dominating player he was a few years ago and is only gonna get worse...furthermore if you want them to trade for a guy like fitzgerald its going to be much tougher if you have throw a ton of cash at faneca...and if im gonna lose out on a wr like that i dont want it to be for a guard
they should be doing everything in their power to get antwan odom at midnight next friday...other than that we all know where they should be looking for...secondary and wr...if your gonna spend money on a guard id rather throw it at westbrook and lito restructures
this eagles debate at chickie petes on wip is awesome...spadaro is losing his mind again
1. Sadly agree on them loving the LBs; ideally they would pick up Spikes' option because he was finally getting comfortable towards the end of last year and making plays. Let Bradley fight with your boy Gocong for SAM and I think Bradley wins that (Gocong then puts his hand down and backs up Cole) and Vilma is the new starting MLB with OG going to a nickel/STs role. But it will be Gocong/Bradley - Gaither - Spikes next year.
2. Disagree on the OL. Herremans was not very good last year. With Tra getting older, that left side needs to be stronger and they can do that by upgrading LG.
3. Agree on Odom. Agree on Westbrook and Lito restructuring, which they can do even with being active in FA.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 23, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
2. Disagree on the OL. Herremans was not very good last year. With Tra getting older, that left side needs to be stronger and they can do that by upgrading LG.
i agree herremans had an off year but you cant upgrade five different positions in one offseason...and spending a ton of money to replace a LG who had a "not very good" year is not a priority this offseason when 1. you traded up to get a guard in the draft just two years ago and 2. the guy you wanna drop buckets of money on is like you said with tra "aging" (tho admittedly not as old)...to me faneca would be a last resort this offseason...someone you may go at if your top three or four things fall thru
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 23, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
3. Agree on Odom. Agree on Westbrook and Lito restructuring, which they can do even with being active in FA.
if they can get odom and a wr and a s and a cb and a return man and restructure westbrook and get faneca then im all for it...i just cant see all those things or even half of them happening...and if i had to proritize then LG isnt even on my radar...especially and most importantly because you have a potential upgrade on your roster and already paid for
To be honest I'm fine with the LBs we have now also--that said, if you have the chance to get a player like Vilma, you do it.
I'd rather let MJG challenge Manneans than throw a ton of money at the OG position. Manneans strikes me as an Artis Hicks type guy in that he isn't really your ideal day one starter, but he can provide quality depth anywhere on the OL. NEEDS this offseason, as far as I can see it:
1. S - One solid starter here, and he's not getting any younger. Mikell had a nice year last year, but I like him more as an STs/depth guy. We could do a lot worse with our first pick than Kenny Phillips.
2. DE - Need something resembling a pass rush opposite Cole. I want to see the entire DE position other than Cole and Abiamiri overhauled through a combination of the draft and free agency.
3. CB - Lito and Sheldon are good but Lito can't stay healthy, and there's nothing at all behind them. Hanson is probably OK as a dime back but we need a legitimate nickel back.
4. WR - We're one true #1 guy away from having one of the best WR corps in the league. Get Fitz or Chad Johnson, or at the very least bring Stallworth back.
5. OT - Neither of our starters are exactly young. They'll be fine in '08, but who knows going forward. We have MAYBE one guy who can step into a starting role here in the future. We need to take two guys at this position in the draft.
6. TE - My gut feeling is that we'll end up trading LJ. If that's the case I wouldn't mind bringing in someone like Bubba Franks to battle Celek for the starting job if we can get him cheap. Don't really want to use another draft pick here unless it's very late. That said if we DO keep LJ, get rid of Schobel and replace him with a late draft pick/UDFA.
i would absolutely love kenny phillips at 1...hes definitely moved to number one on my board of guys id like to see them draft
i would order them differently but i pretty argree with you on their needs
Fitzgerald not going anywhere (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d806d4a14&template=without-video&confirm=true)
I never thought he was, but that article doesn't mean anything. Just leverage talk.
QuoteRAIDERS SHOPPING MICHAEL HUFF by Michael David Smith
The Oakland Raiders are sniffing around to gauge interest in a potential trade involving safety Michael Huff, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT.
Huff, the No. 7 overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, has started all 32 games of his NFL career and would be a solid addition to any team that needs help at safety. Like all Top 10 picks, however, Huff has a hefty contract that would be a factor in any trade.
As Jay Glazer of Fox reported early in the 2007 season (and as PFT noted at the time), the Raiders were calling teams in September and saying most of their defensive players, including Huff, were available via trade. After taking defensive backs in the first round of five of the last seven NFL drafts, the Raiders may feel that they've invested too many resources at that position.
The Raiders also reportedly believe Huff hasn't tapped his potential, so if there's a team out there that thinks it can tap Huff's potential, this is a trade that could make sense.
Make it happen. This would be a huge addition!!
5 first round db's in the last 7 drafts? You'd think they were in the same division as the Lions or something.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 24, 2008, 04:10:10 PM
QuoteRAIDERS SHOPPING MICHAEL HUFF by Michael David Smith
The Oakland Raiders are sniffing around to gauge interest in a potential trade involving safety Michael Huff, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT.
Huff, the No. 7 overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, has started all 32 games of his NFL career and would be a solid addition to any team that needs help at safety. Like all Top 10 picks, however, Huff has a hefty contract that would be a factor in any trade.
As Jay Glazer of Fox reported early in the 2007 season (and as PFT noted at the time), the Raiders were calling teams in September and saying most of their defensive players, including Huff, were available via trade. After taking defensive backs in the first round of five of the last seven NFL drafts, the Raiders may feel that they've invested too many resources at that position.
The Raiders also reportedly believe Huff hasn't tapped his potential, so if there's a team out there that thinks it can tap Huff's potential, this is a trade that could make sense.
Make it happen. This would be a huge addition!!
Wow, imagine that talent being tutored under Dawk for a year or two. And I don't think the contract would be all that prohibitive - the Raiders would have to eat the SB portion and I'll bet the rest is pretty manageable, even if doing an extension. Anyone watch him much and know why he hasn't developed as hoped?
that's who i really wanted in the 06 draft...it's just weird that they would want to trade him
they're the Raiders - stupid is a way of life in that organization.
He'd slide in nicely as the SS, obviously.
On another note, Marinelli apparently said today that Roy Williams (and Rogers) are available via trade.
Huff and Williams = nice dream, but please FO get at least one!
From DraftDaddy.com;
QuoteWith Asante Samuel ready to steal a Brinks truck next Friday, the Patriots are now in discussions with the Philadelphia Eagles about acquiring Lito Shepard in a trade.
Titans defensive end Antwan Odom is getting interest already from Oakland and Philadelphia...."
I wonder what the Pats would give them for Lito. No way in hell they get the #7 pick unless the Eagles first rounder is thrown in there too.
I'm liking all the rumors of the Eagles talking. This is the most I can remember hearing about the Eagles in the week before FA starts in a long time.
I would trade the #19 pick for Huff in a HEARTBEAT. If we can get the Al Davises to throw in a mid/late round pick, all the better.
If Andy somehow ends up with a combination Huff or Samuel and one of the elite WR mentioned I will personally break both of Andy's sons out of prison and give them a lifetime supply of heroin.
Get Huff.
Quote from: Billy Beane on February 24, 2008, 07:09:58 PM
If Andy somehow ends up with a combination Huff or Samuel and one of the elite WR mentioned I will personally break both of Andy's sons out of prison and give them a lifetime supply of heroin.
You need to stop doing heroin if you think all of that is a possibility.
It isn't like Huff has been a special player his first two years. I would definitely take him, but he's not the stud everyone wants him to be, just like Kenny Phillips. They both will probably be very good players, but not perennial Pro Bowlers or anything like that.
Didinger just said he heard the Jets were asking for a third round pick in return for Vilma...either his knee is really farged or the Jets just want to get rid of him really bad
I figure taking a risk of that is worth bypassing drafting a backup guard.
Quote from: SunMo on February 24, 2008, 10:37:37 PM
Didinger just said he heard the Jets were asking for a third round pick in return for Vilma...either his knee is really farged or the Jets just want to get rid of him really bad
Maybe they'll take Tony Hunt instead
you mean Austin Scott
I really want Huff and Vilma.
More so than Williams. They could sign Stallworth instead. PFT says Stallworth is getting no looks on the market now.
I can feel pretty confident in my opinion that none of those 3 players will be an Eagle next year.
careful out there on that limb
Stallworth fits their MO for signing guys.
Comes "crawling back" after being "humbled", in their eyes.
Isn't a top tier guy but is good enough that they can pass it off as a "great signing for the team"
Already knows the offense
Its not going to happen.
Curtis/Brown will be the #1 and #2 on this team to start the season.
Once again, I feel so bad for McNabb.
The Eagles will pick up a quality WR this offseason.
Quote from: King Cole on February 24, 2008, 11:57:48 PM
The Eagles will pick up a quality WR this offseason.
Javon Walker?
One of the following:
Chad Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Bernard Berrian, Javon Walker.
GET HUFF... GET VILMA... Get Tissues
I don't like the Eagles working out a trade with the Patriots. Their front office is better and smarter.
I want Defense, and if they get Vilma for a 3rd thats a sick deal.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 25, 2008, 07:49:42 AM
I want Defense, and if they get Vilma for a 3rd thats a sick deal.
it would be ridiculous but they love their linebackers....unfortunately not gonna happen
id rather have gibril wilson than michael huff...better player and would take a guy off a division team
Eagles may look at Wilson (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080225_Eagles_Notes___Eagles_may_look_at_safety.html)
No worries at linebacker (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080225_No_worries_at_linebacker.html)
Posted this in the Sal Pal jocks Samuel thread as well, but it should be here to
DraftDaddy.com:
Quote
Last night we posted that our main source in Indy was reporting the Detroit Lions are shopping star wide receiver Roy Williams in hopes of getting a 2nd round pick in return -- either in the upcoming draft or next years draft.
This has created a buzz on many fan sites and has caused many to ask us why Detroit would even consider trading such a young and talented wide receiver for "only" a second round pick?
Here's the response from our source, when we asked the same question: Williams demands for a contract extenstion are pretty steep, which will knock down the Lions asking price in trades. He is reportedly looking for 8 to 10 million dollars a year, with a 28 million dollar signing bonus.
Second round pick? Do it. Like now.
Wow, seriously. Yes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 25, 2008, 08:17:26 AM
id rather have gibril wilson than michael huff...better player and would take a guy off a division team
Agreed, and hopefully the move would live up to the high bar set by Thrash and the Bowtie.
Quote from: PPinDC on February 25, 2008, 11:40:34 AM
Posted this in the Sal Pal jocks Samuel thread as well, but it should be here to
DraftDaddy.com:
Quote
Last night we posted that our main source in Indy was reporting the Detroit Lions are shopping star wide receiver Roy Williams in hopes of getting a 2nd round pick in return -- either in the upcoming draft or next years draft.
This has created a buzz on many fan sites and has caused many to ask us why Detroit would even consider trading such a young and talented wide receiver for "only" a second round pick?
Here's the response from our source, when we asked the same question: Williams demands for a contract extenstion are pretty steep, which will knock down the Lions asking price in trades. He is reportedly looking for 8 to 10 million dollars a year, with a 28 million dollar signing bonus.
Second round pick? Do it. Like now.
Do that yesterday. For real.
all the moves people have the Eagles making on this board, they've traded about 15 2008 draft picks
Quote from: SunMo on February 25, 2008, 11:52:41 AM
all the moves people have the Eagles making on this board, they've traded about 15 2008 draft picks
I don't see the problem with that. Think positive, believe you can!
Bowtie was never worth anything but trading Thrash back to washington turned into Trent Cole.
This from Thrashs' Wiki page:
He has been a valued contributor on special teams since his return, and in the later parts of the 2006 season, has made some clutch catches in the end zone and on third downs. According to the team website, Thrash is beginning to earn the moniker "Mr. Clutch."
Ha, pointing and laughing from any thread works
From that LB article.
"I'm optimistic," he said. "I felt good at the end of the year. I felt good about our linebackers coming around. Stewart Bradley showed he could play at middle linebacker. Omar can play the middle or outside backer. Chris Gocong, Akeem Jordan, I really like the way they played. Takeo Spikes, coming off that [shoulder] injury, I think he'll be fine."
I'm telling you, anyone who's hoping Bradley starts over Gocong at SLB is dreaming. They seem hell bent on Bradley playing MLB for his career. It looks like after this year, they'll drop Spikes, move Gaither back to WLB and put Bradley in the middle, and hope Gocong pans out at SLB. The other thing I liked about that aritcle is they feel with their "depth" at LB they can play some 3-4 and put Gocong down in the 3 point stance to do what he does best.
if you believe a quote any member of the eagles organization would give to the inquirer then you a sucka
and if by small chance hes being honest then i feel sorry for this team that a coach has already decided where a guy is going to play for the rest of his career five months before training camp has even started
the truth is all the pieces are going to come to lehigh in july and thruout camp and the preseason they are gonna figure out where they all fit
If it was one quote then I'd agree.
But this is at least the second or 3rd time that a quote has come from JJ or one of the other higher ups and the "We think he'll do great at MLB" line comes up.
and they have also said numerous times that they arent sure how the lb's are gonna work themselves out
bradley as a mlb may be what they believe but if he comes in and blows gocong out of the water at sam or isnt what they think at mike then they will make a change...
they have all guys slotted in a certain position in their minds right now...thats where depth charts come from...but i would hope and i believe that they are open to all possibilities at the lb position
Either way I'm excited about the 3-4 quote from that article. It's not going to be a true 3-4 but it does put Gocong down on the line as a pass rusher where he is probably most effective.
And I still think having 3 guys starting in their posistions for the first time or first year on the team had an effect on the lack of big plays the Eagles got from theLB's. It was Spikes first year in JJ's system, Gaither's first year at MLB and Gocong's first year playing LB. With those 3 and Bradley, I think we'll see a few more plays being made out there this year.
well they cant make any less
Well they did get that one sack from Gocong.
So really they COULD make one less...
This quote (Philly.com) is attributed to Rosenhaus over the weekend:
"Jevon will be released, and I expect Jevon to be a free agent," Rosenhaus said at the NFL Scouting Combine. "We tried to work out a restructure with the Eagles. We thought he had a wonderful career there and we weren't able to do it."
- It was wonderful drew. Maybe not quite as wonderful as TO. But we hope Jevon had a pleasant stay.
wtf? LOL
I must have missed when he was at the NovaCare Complex.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 25, 2008, 04:13:06 PM
wtf? LOL
I must have missed when he was at the NovaCare Complex.
Well, apparently he WAS at the NovaCare Complex, like LeCharles.
lol @ the jets letting vilma seek a trade to everyone except the patriots. we dont need him though, the lbs are fine.
Trading for Vilma and moving GoCong to DE seems like a win/win move, so I'm sure it will never happen. Diddy was on and said the same thing....
Quote from: MDS on February 25, 2008, 11:37:32 PM
lol @ the jets letting vilma seek a trade to everyone except the patriots. we dont need him though, the lbs are fine.
Thought that was funny as hell. Mangini ain't playin' that shtein.
Apparently Hugh is saying the Eagles aren't really that interested in Samuel and that from what he hears from his sources inside the organization they're trying their best to make a trade for Fitzgerald. Hugh is a little off at times but he did call the Kolb pick prior to the draft last year.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2008, 01:01:17 PM
Apparently Hugh is saying the Eagles aren't really that interested in Samuel and that from what he hears from his sources inside the organization they're trying their best to make a trade for Fitzgerald. Hugh is a little off at times but he did call the Kolb pick prior to the draft last year.
I just got done reading the 10-page retard fight over on the EMB about this topic..
Did Hugh say Fitz specifically or did Angelo pull a penis out of his mouth long enough to throw in his name as speculation?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2008, 01:01:17 PM
Apparently Hugh is saying the Eagles aren't really that interested in Samuel and that from what he hears from his sources inside the organization they're trying their best to make a trade for Fitzgerald. Hugh is a little off at times but he did call the Kolb pick prior to the draft last year.
I hope he's right and I hope they can do it.
they are in far more dire need for a top flight WR than they are for a good CB since they already have one of those things.
Quote from: Beermonkey on February 26, 2008, 02:08:19 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2008, 01:01:17 PM
Apparently Hugh is saying the Eagles aren't really that interested in Samuel and that from what he hears from his sources inside the organization they're trying their best to make a trade for Fitzgerald. Hugh is a little off at times but he did call the Kolb pick prior to the draft last year.
I just got done reading the 10-page retard fight over on the EMB about this topic..
Did Hugh say Fitz specifically or did Angelo pull a penis out of his mouth long enough to throw in his name as speculation?
he didnt say anyone by name...all he said is that he thinks behind the scenes in the depths of novacare that the eagles are as we speak formulating plans to trade for a WR
to me it was a pretty innocuous comment
yeah I was just going off what I read on the emb...probably no validity to it but its a few days before f/a so speculation is king.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 02:17:46 PM
he didnt say anyone by name...all he said is that he thinks behind the scenes in the depths of novacare that the eagles are as we speak formulating plans to trade for a WR
to me it was a pretty innocuous comment
Ha, there is never a comment that is innocuous when it comes to this team. Every change in the shade of McNabb's urine elicits afternoon long debate about it's iron content and how his lack of red meat consumption is why we should have stuck with Garcia, who of course, loves his meat.
lol @ chris long assante samuel and larry fitzgerald all ending up on the eagles
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 03:29:26 PM
lol @ chris long assante samuel and larry fitzgerald all ending up on the eagles
(http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/09/ceo_socnet/image/burger-king.jpg)
What's that running down his chin?
Quote from: Cerevant on February 26, 2008, 03:46:03 PM
What's that running down his chin?
I'm pretty sure there's a video out there that shows some guy getting a BJ under the covers & when the head finally pops up when he's finished, its "The King" ...covered in copious amounts of "special sauce". It still creeps me out, even in the daytime.
that sauce they give you with the onion rings at bk FTW
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 04:10:08 PM
that sauce they give you with the onion rings at bk FTW
Yep, here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fshdNeM9DfU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fshdNeM9DfU)
Focker on the EMB.
You know, I'd be pretty damn happy with the Gerbil at S, Roy Williams WR, and GoCong to DE and addressing SAM (I choose that over the Jason Taylor option for hopefully the long term youth. plus, then we'd have vic, juq, jason at RE alone (plus the $ JT would demand) and still the cluster farg at lb). It'd also allow us to throw another LB on teams. MJG should win the LG spot. and if we could add me tagging rachel bilson, I'd be set.
"Good morning Eagles fans!
What an absolutely marvelous day it is to be alive! There's a cool subtle breeze blowing from the Northwest. The Sun is bright and radiant! The skies are clear and the wind is cool and fresh. The ocean is thriving with marine life, the woods are alive with wildlife, and the skies are filled with soaring birds -- which are lead of course -- by the All Mighty Eagle! Which soars proudly above all.
Sorry I couldn't respond to every personal message but here I am with the latest from my inside sources:
- The Eagles have had talks with the Dolphins to see what it would take to pry Jason Taylor away from Miami. The communication is still open but as of right now the draft picks involved and his salary was too high for the Eagles liking.
- The Eagles do have some interest in Asante Samuel, but they had more interest in Marcus Trufant before he was tagged. If the Eagles don't sign or trade for a starting caliber corner expect them to address this need with their first round pick. If this happens expect Lito to stay put while the pick is groomed.
- Speaking of Lito, the Eagles feel the leaked story of him being able to seek a trade did come from his agent. The Eagles know he and his agent are unhappy with their deal but will under no circumstances renegotiate his deal.
- The Eagles will try to sign Gibril Wilson when free agency opens
- As far as Wide Receivers go the Eagles do like Fitzgerald but think Roy Williams would be a more practical solution. The holdup with both players isn't the trade compensation but both players wanting a new lucrative deal. If things go as planned expect to see one of these players in an Eagles uniform sometime within the next month. If neither player is added the Eagles would then consider Stallworth as an option.
- Jimmy Johnson has toyed with the idea of moving GoCong to left defensive end if the Eagles are able to find a decent SAM and unable to upgrade the defensive end spot. This move is a huge long shot since the Eagles invested so much time into having him learn the SAM position.
- MJG will get a long look at the Guard spot in the preseason. The Eagles feel Herremans will bounce back after a disappointing season but want MJG to push him.
- The Eagles would like to add a veteran defensive tackle to the mix. They have toyed with the idea of keeping Howard around as a 3rd DT. The cost of his dead money would be about the same as it would take for them to sign a new DT.
- There is some interest in Antwan Odom but since so many teams are in need of a defensive end the Eagles feel his asking price might be too high.
- As for the draft a lot will depend on how free agency and trades work out. If I have the time I'll try to post an update prior to the draft.
Have a great day folks!"
whos focker and why should we care what he says
oh and tell him to stop referring to players by gay little shortened names
you got that right igy
he's been right (and wrong) before. but...this is the off-season...
seriously tho who is he...a writer for the site?...or just a board member
He's Spadaro's clone.
my god if I copied and pasted that.....wow....call in the Reaper
at least he's quoting his source...unlike you
just go along for the ride. Focker has inside info. Seriously.
easy where you at on the rumor mill boiiii
Quote from: SunMo on February 27, 2008, 03:50:36 PM
at least he's quoting his source...unlike you
Really...strange. Venture back again in my posts Magellan... and its says the source of each paper
rotoworld isn't a source
sure it is...they have all the papers of each city they are citing from on each excerpt... thats a source Eddy.
Just like the Eagles have their sources of Dave Spadaro on PE.com, 610am, reporters from philly.com etc.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 27, 2008, 03:19:14 PM
Focker on the EMB.
"Good morning Eagles fans!
What an absolutely marvelous day it is to be alive! There's a cool subtle breeze blowing from the Northwest. The Sun is bright and radiant! The skies are clear and the wind is cool and fresh. The ocean is thriving with marine life, the woods are alive with wildlife, and the skies are filled with soaring birds -- which are lead of course -- by the All Mighty Eagle! Which soars proudly above all.
Did this guy train at extremeskins or something?
- does "which are lead of course" mean lead as in by a leader, or lead like the heavy metal element
I think he meant "led", dude.
Can someone tell me why they are so farging cornerback desperate? Am I MISSING something here?
DGunn says the Eagles will be interested in Javon Walker when he gets released
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 27, 2008, 05:38:27 PM
DGunn says the Eagles will be interested in Javon Walker when he gets released
A few years too late for my liking.
i don't want to hear Javon Walker after hearing Larry Fitzgerald as a possibility
Quote from: SunMo on February 27, 2008, 05:39:58 PM
i don't want to hear Javon Walker after hearing Larry Fitzgerald as a possibility
But Javon Walker is much more of what they'd go after. A guy who is a #2 type WR....Fitzgerald...he's a pipe dream.
I have to keep reminding myself of what a piece of shtein this FO is so my hopes don't go sky high.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
Can someone tell me why they are so farging cornerback desperate? Am I MISSING something here?
They're having nightmares of Will James as the #3 all year last year.
well, i'm smoking crack out of a pipe right now...so pipe dream it is
True. If you had copied and pasted that it would have been far more useless and stupid.
Quote from: Munson on February 27, 2008, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
Can someone tell me why they are so farging cornerback desperate? Am I MISSING something here?
They're having nightmares of Will James as the #3 all year last year.
Their fault for letting Rod Hood go. Going to spend all of that money on a guy like Samuel or draft someone #1 is farging ridiculous. They have 2 starters, they need a nickel? Go get a lower tiered one. They never seem to have their priorities right.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2008, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 27, 2008, 05:44:59 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
Can someone tell me why they are so farging cornerback desperate? Am I MISSING something here?
They're having nightmares of Will James as the #3 all year last year.
Their fault for letting Rod Hood go. Going to spend all of that money on a guy like Samuel or draft someone #1 is farging ridiculous. They have 2 starters, they need a nickel? Go get a lower tiered one. They never seem to have their priorities right.
They have 1.5 starters. You are only a full starter when you play a full season.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2008, 05:53:03 PM
Their fault for letting Rod Hood go.
Not to defend the front office since they're generally retards, but Hood left because he wanted a starting gig. He got one. The Eagles offered just as much (or slightly more) than Arizona.
Well they certainly seem to be searching for starter now....why, I have no idea.
Lito's unhappy and bitching, and he's always hurt anyway, but he has trade value. So getting a proven starter and drafting a #3 CB doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world to me. I can't see the Eagles paying anyone half the money that Samuel wants though. That would really cripple their ability to upgrade worse positions and pay Westbrook to not holdout.
yeah i would rather they keep Lito and draft a corner in the first round. someone who can double as a ST return man and play the nickel.
i see the following positions as more of a need than a STARTING CB:
Safety
Defense End
WR
I don't care who they draft (within reason) so long as they don't do something moronic like they did last year with Kolb. There are worse things they could do than take a cornerback especially considering how fragile Faberge Sheppard's been over the past three years.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
Can someone tell me why they are so farging cornerback desperate? Am I MISSING something here?
co-sign
i dont get it either...provided they improve other high need positions id be fine with lito sheldon and joselio and/or a veteran corner
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2008, 05:53:03 PM
Their fault for letting Rod Hood go. Going to spend all of that money on a guy like Samuel or draft someone #1 is farging ridiculous. They have 2 starters, they need a nickel? Go get a lower tiered one. They never seem to have their priorities right.
Disagree about them letting Hood go. They didn't lose him because another team offered more money to make him their nickle. He left so he could start. The FO offered him decent money but not a starting job. Not their fault.
Agree about them not needing to go after an Asante Samuel or other top tier corner. The nickle/dime positions need to be addressed far more than the starters do. I'd rather see them either bring in a proven player to be the nickle and move Hanson to dime packages or leave Hanson as the nickle and draft a dime to develop.
its just something we are gonna have to live with until reid is gone...he values de's and cb's above all else...not saying hes wrong because i agree they are the most important defensive positions...but he takes it to obsessive levels to the point that he isnt able to properly address other positions
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 07:42:18 PM
its just something we are gonna have to live with until reid is gone...he values de's and cb's above all else...not saying hes wrong because i agree they are the most important defensive positions...but he takes it to obsessive levels to the point that he isnt able to properly address other positions
It's funny that he places so much value on CB's and so little on WR's.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2008, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 07:42:18 PM
its just something we are gonna have to live with until reid is gone...he values de's and cb's above all else...not saying hes wrong because i agree they are the most important defensive positions...but he takes it to obsessive levels to the point that he isnt able to properly address other positions
It's funny that he places so much value on CB's and so little on WR's.
when his offense throws 70% of the time. Makes sense
How many running football teams have bad RB's?
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 27, 2008, 03:52:33 PM
just go along for the ride. Focker has inside info. Seriously.
I can vouch for his sources
finkle is einhorn, einhorn is finkle.
nm
its not a good thing because the cb position is fine and by getting a samuel it wont significantly improve the team as they already have real good corners...when lito is healthy hes every bit as good a samuel and while hes better than sheldon it isnt so much that it adds wins to the team...and if you sign samuel you strictly inhibit what you can do elsewhere at spots that truly need upgrading
If Joselio Hanson is your starter, then it's pretty motherfarging far from fine.
The Eagles do need help at corner. Their nemesis is Burress. Nobody on the team can cover him. They need to bring in someone that matches up specifically with him. Like I have said he is the new Tiki.
Besides look at the starting corners the last couple of years. There has been way too much turn over due to injury. They need a big corner that can run and stay healthy.
they might need a starting corner...but its about 5th or 6th in importance
DE
S
WR
KR
LB
OT
are all ahead of it
Agreed. I don't get it either. Sure, the CB position could use a little tinkering, but it makes little to no sense to throw out $80-100 million at it to add Samuel... unless they plan on moving Lito to upgrade elsewhere.
If there are no plans to trade Lito... then they should be looking at a quality nickel corner at best and concentrate on other positions.
If the Eagles are looking to add a big player to the secondary, it should be S and Gibril Wilson fits the bill the best, IMO.
scouts inc on what they think are the eagles needs are (in the draft)...
Wide receiver: The Eagles had serious red zone woes last season, and acquiring a big, physical wide receiver to complement and push Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown could result in more points for Philadelphia. Whether it is Donovan McNabb or youngster Kevin Kolb behind center the next few seasons, adding a dangerous pass catcher with size makes all the sense in the world for this passing-based offense. The Eagles did franchise TE L.J. Smith to ensure they have an athletic target with size, but that is also an indication of just how big a need this area is for Philadelphia because Smith clearly is not among the elite tight ends in the league right now.
Defensive end: Trent Cole had a terrific season as the starting right defensive end. He is an excellent pass-rusher and is an overall terror coming off the edge, but he is undersized and can wear down as the game progresses. Philadelphia must find a complement to Cole, preferably a bigger defensive end who can hold the point of attack on the strong side while also offering pass-rush skills. It is likely Jevon Kearse and Darren Howard will be released soon, so this need must be addressed.
Safety: Brian Dawkins has had a terrific career, but age and injuries slowed him a year ago and the arrow might finally be trending down for Philadelphia's starting free safety. He can still contribute at a pretty high level, but finding a replacement in the draft seems like a logical move. Dawkins will be 35 next season, and SS Sean Considine should be a solid starter although he isn't spectacular in any area.
Offensive tackle: Top backup Winston Justice was embarrassed on national television by Osi Umenyiora early in the season, and the Eagles' starting tackles are well on the wrong side of 30 years old. Although Justice should not be written off, especially as the successor to Jon Runyan on the right side, the Eagles need to find an athletic big man to groom behind William Thomas. This draft could be the ideal one in which to find such a project.
Middle linebacker: Omar Gaither is the starter in the middle, and although he is adequate, he does not have the ideal size or take-on ability for the middle. Gaither could be better off on the outside if the Eagles can find a banger in the middle. Overall, the Eagles' linebackers are solid but unspectacular, and Takeo Spikes might not have many good years left in him. Adding one more playmaker here would be beneficial.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 08:34:59 AM
scouts inc on what they think are the eagles needs are (in the draft)...
Wide receiver: The Eagles had serious red zone woes last season, and acquiring a big, physical wide receiver to complement and push Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown could result in more points for Philadelphia. Whether it is Donovan McNabb or youngster Kevin Kolb behind center the next few seasons, adding a dangerous pass catcher with size makes all the sense in the world for this passing-based offense. The Eagles did franchise TE L.J. Smith to ensure they have an athletic target with size, but that is also an indication of just how big a need this area is for Philadelphia because Smith clearly is not among the elite tight ends in the league right now.
Defensive end: Trent Cole had a terrific season as the starting right defensive end. He is an excellent pass-rusher and is an overall terror coming off the edge, but he is undersized and can wear down as the game progresses. Philadelphia must find a complement to Cole, preferably a bigger defensive end who can hold the point of attack on the strong side while also offering pass-rush skills. It is likely Jevon Kearse and Darren Howard will be released soon, so this need must be addressed.
Safety: Brian Dawkins has had a terrific career, but age and injuries slowed him a year ago and the arrow might finally be trending down for Philadelphia's starting free safety. He can still contribute at a pretty high level, but finding a replacement in the draft seems like a logical move. Dawkins will be 35 next season, and SS Sean Considine should be a solid starter
I stopped reading at this exact point.
scouts inc is generally excellent at this stuff...what did they say that you disagree with
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 08:54:15 AM
scouts inc is generally excellent at this stuff...what did they say that you disagree with
QuoteSS Sean Considine should be a solid starter
Other than that, the article was on point. But it didn't give us any new info either.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 08:03:34 AM
they might need a starting corner...but its about 5th or 6th in importance
DE
S
WR
KR
LB
OT
are all ahead of it
That's pretty much how I see it too.
wait so andy is going to draft ANOTHER defensive end?
who has he drafted at end in the last five years....
killa
abiamiri
mcdougle
right?
I think the issue is that they also signed Kearse and Howard to address it.
It's funny they've signed two "good" free agents, drafted one in the 1st and one in the 2nd....
...and the one they drafted in the 5th is the best of all of them.
well kearse and howard are old
i just dont think drafting a DE this year would be like having to draft a OL
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...IR_NUMBERS.html
QuoteEagles - BIRDS HAVE THEIR NUMBERS
By LES BOWEN
Philadelphia Daily News
Rating 10 free agents who might interest the Eagles, and how good a fit each might be, on a scale of one to 10 midnight green replica jerseys:
CB ASANTE SAMUEL
Maybe the the biggest name in free agency, if the Patriots end up re-signing Randy Moss. Reports of the Eagles' interest have been widespread and persistent. And they actually make sense, given that the team has a need at corner. EIGHT JERSEYS.
DE ANTWAN ODOM
One thing that absolutely, definitely will happen, either through free agency or the draft - the Birds will take a lesson from the Giants and acquire at least one more pass-rush weapon. All the Pro Bowl-level names are off the board, but Odom had eight sacks last season for the Titans and he would seem to have lots of tread left on his tires. Plays in a similar defense to the one the Eagles play. SEVEN JERSEYS.
WR BERNARD BERRIAN
Agent Drew Rosenhaus probably isn't going to shop both Berrian and Dontè Stallworth to the Eagles, it'll be one or the other. Berrian has good size, caught 71 passes last season from less-than-great Chicago QBs, and has done some kick and punt returning. Might have more upside than Stallworth. SIX JERSEYS.
S GIBRIL WILSON
Excellent player, but it's hard to see how he fits with the Eagles unless they're going to shuffle Brian Dawkins to the bench. There's no need to replace Quintin Mikell at strong safety. If you add Wilson, either Sean Considine or courageous comeback story J.R. Reed has to go. The Eagles need immediate help at corner, not safety. But maybe signing a good player is never a bad idea? FIVE JERSEYS.
WR DONTE STALLWORTH
Three months ago, fans would have been delirious over the idea of bringing Stallworth back, but his profile in the Pats' offense really shrunk down the stretch. We know he has ability and fits the Birds' scheme, but he sure has been an underachiever, for one reason or another, his entire career. FIVE JERSEYS.
DE TRAVIS LaBOY
The other defensive end the Titans are letting walk. Wouldn't be a big signing, more of a guy to stick in the rotation. But he had six sacks as a sub last season, and his brother-agent says the Birds are interested. FOUR JERSEYS.
DE JUSTIN SMITH
Closest thing to a "name" defensive end on the market. Has never lived up to having been drafted fourth overall by the Bengals in 2001; only two sacks last season, but he has started in 107 successive games. Not much buzz about Eagles interest. FOUR JERSEYS.
WR ANDRE' DAVIS
Not a star but a 6-1 wideout with speed who ran two kickoffs back for touchdowns in the same game last season. FOUR JERSEYS.
WR D.J. HACKETT
Big, strong receiver with good hands. No need for him if you think the puzzling conversion of Hank Baskett to extra blocking tight end last season was a temporary thing. Hackett missed 10 Seattle games with ankle problems last season. THREE JERSEYS.
CB DRAYTON FLORENCE Would be a nickel-type depth signing. Didn't have a great year in San Diego, but there aren't a lot of attractive corners out there. TWO JERSEYS.
so quinten mikell is fine as a starter but sheldon and lito arent....this cb thing has taken a life of its own
Let's just say the secondary overall is not bursting with depth right now.
Kearse was just 'officially' released
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15156
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
Let's just say the secondary overall is not bursting with depth right now.
true...but theres also some areas that arent bursting with starters
Les Bowen = hockey writer
HOW he's stayed on the Eagles beat is beyond me.
Enough with this CB is the biggest glaring need garbage already.
They currently have two adequate starters and one adequate nickel back, true. But none of us know just how close they are to cutting ties with Lito, or if they aren't, how much he'll stay healthy.
Still, I think they are in a good position to DRAFT a guy that has some talent and cover skills instead of making a corner the highest-paid defensive player ever.
* If * the Eagles sign Samuel, are you people seriously saying you'll be upset over it?
Please say no. PLEASE?
if they sign samuel and thats their significant move in the offseason ill be furious
if they sign samuel and trade lito for fitzgerald then sign odom and andre davis ill be thrilled
You're right. Adding a Pro Bowl player would be sufficient grounds for expressing fury on your part.
Oh, and the second scenario you offered... totally plausible.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 10:25:14 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...IR_NUMBERS.html
QuoteEagles - BIRDS HAVE THEIR NUMBERS
S GIBRIL WILSON
Excellent player, but it's hard to see how he fits with the Eagles unless they're going to shuffle Brian Dawkins to the bench. There's no need to replace Quintin Mikell at strong safety. If you add Wilson, either Sean Considine or courageous comeback story J.R. Reed has to go. The Eagles need immediate help at corner, not safety. But maybe signing a good player is never a bad idea? FIVE JERSEYS.
Neither Considine or Reed should be a given a 2nd thought if Wilson is attainable. Especially Reed. It's great that he's been able to come back and everything and I don't object to the Eagles keeping him around. But at the same time, if you can drastically upgrade his position and he happens to be the odd man out, then so be it. As much as I like the guy, he's only 1
minor knee injury away from ending his career.
If they throw that kind of money at him (that's being discussed) and don't address the more urgent needs that are out there, yes, I'll be FURIOUS.
They are going to address them. I'm not sure they'll address them to our liking if that's even possible. What I am sure of, though, is that if they add Samuel (the best free agent in this class) then I'll start by being happy about that move and then see what happens afterwards.
If they add Samuel then they almost have to deal Lito, right? If they deal Lito, then it's almost a certainty that they'll add one of the pieces everyone agrees they need, so again, it would be a good thing if it happened, right?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 28, 2008, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 10:25:14 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...IR_NUMBERS.html
QuoteEagles - BIRDS HAVE THEIR NUMBERS
S GIBRIL WILSON
Excellent player, but it's hard to see how he fits with the Eagles unless they're going to shuffle Brian Dawkins to the bench. There's no need to replace Quintin Mikell at strong safety. If you add Wilson, either Sean Considine or courageous comeback story J.R. Reed has to go. The Eagles need immediate help at corner, not safety. But maybe signing a good player is never a bad idea? FIVE JERSEYS.
Neither Considine or Reed should be a given a 2nd thought if Wilson is attainable. Especially Reed. It's great that he's been able to come back and everything and I don't object to the Eagles keeping him around. But at the same time, if you can drastically upgrade his position and he happens to be the odd man out, then so be it. As much as I like the guy, he's only 1 minor knee injury away from ending his career.
Spot on. If one of those two is the cost for Wilson, it has to be done.
Quote from: Rome on February 28, 2008, 11:38:50 AM
You're right. Adding a Pro Bowl player would be sufficient grounds for expressing fury on your part.
Oh, and the second scenario you offered... totally plausible.
would you be happy if they added derek anderson?
as for the second scenario not being plausible thats exactly my friggin point...if they throw a trillion dollars at samuel im afraid that will limit what they can do elsewhere at positions more important than cb
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 28, 2008, 11:47:11 AM
Neither Considine or Reed should be a given a 2nd thought if Wilson is attainable. Especially Reed. .
reed and considine could be cut tomorrow with no replacement and not a single person would care
Hypothetical Eskin scenario: If the birds sign Samuel then ship Lito off to the Cards for Fitz how would you feel?
I'd feel good about it. I already said so about five posts back.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 12:15:14 PM
Hypothetical Eskin scenario: If the birds sign Samuel then ship Lito off to the Cards for Fitz how would you feel?
I'm a big Lito fan. But I'd probably help him pack if for Arizona if that were the case.
I don't give a rats ass what they do if they get Fitz.
id eat joe banners ahole
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 12:15:14 PM
Hypothetical Eskin scenario: If the birds sign Samuel then ship Lito off to the Cards for Fitz how would you feel?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 12:26:21 PM
I don't give a rats ass what they do if they get Fitz.
Well said.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 12:26:36 PM
id eat joe banners ahole
Even better.
Samuel + Fitz - Lito = erection-inducing
Fitzy!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 12:15:14 PM
Hypothetical Eskin scenario: If the birds sign Samuel then ship Lito off to the Cards for Fitz how would you feel?
I'd feel all kinds of wet in my pants.
That's obviously the best case scenario... and one of the only reasons it makes sense to go after Samuel.
You know what would realistically happen though...
The Eagles would go after Samuel...and then a team like the Pats would trade for Fitz instead.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 28, 2008, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 28, 2008, 12:15:14 PM
Hypothetical Eskin scenario: If the birds sign Samuel then ship Lito off to the Cards for Fitz how would you feel?
I'd feel all kinds of wet in my pants.
That's obviously the best case scenario... and one of the only reasons it makes sense to go after Samuel.
Now Howard is saying that Lito is being shopped, potentially to get Fitz? Guess they tried that yesterday, he put it out there as a hypothetical so he could take credit, now its eitehr falling apart or close to happening and he wants his name all over it.
Either way, Getting Fitz would be awesome, and following that up with Samuel and Odom would be the best day since getting the Freak and TO. I'll never forget the TO/Freak day, but funny how that ended up.
I thought the Cardinals said there was no chance in hell that they would deal him?
See ya Kearse. We hardly knew thee. Go limp off the field like you're dead and come back in 2 plays later on another team.
Ideally, a S, WR, KR, OT, 3rd CB...upgrades would be nice. But considering the retard episodes in the FO, I'd be happy w/ "just" Fitz. Red zone was a major issue last year.
It's the Cardinals, PG.
Anything's possible especially considering the farged up contract situation they find themselves in with him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 12:59:40 PM
I thought the Cardinals said there was no chance in hell that they would deal him?
Leverage. Same thing's going on in Cincinnati with CJ.
the thing with fitzgerald is if hed gonna go to the eagles and restructure why wouldnt the cardinals just restructure with him...i dont see them losing their best player a year after they moved into that new stadium...i cant believe even the cardinals would do that
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2008, 12:59:40 PM
I thought the Cardinals said there was no chance in hell that they would deal him?
It seems like they're a lot of contract issues there. If you can't re-sign him, why not get something in return.
Plus Rolle is probably moving to safety so it would make sense to go after someone life Lito.
Would they then have Lito on one corner and Rod Hood on the other?
Lito plus their #2 might get it done. In all likelihood it would take Lito plus their #1. It would still be worth it but Reid values #1's more than he does his own offspring (obviously) so I doubt that would ever happen.
I think Andy values exercise and eating healthy more than his kids.
Quote from: Rome on February 28, 2008, 01:13:44 PM
Lito plus their #2 might get it done. In all likelihood it would take Lito plus their #1. It would still be worth it but Reid values #1's more than he does his own offspring (obviously) so I doubt that would ever happen.
I laughed way to hard at that little quip.
From what I read (if you want me to go Reese on it I can try), the Cardinals FO said there was no way they would move Fitzgerald, but then two days later or so they thought he was asking way too much in a new deal. Something about Fitzgerald's rookie contract makes it nearly impossible to restructure because the Cards gave him all the power.
the years are off from the two sides. Fitz wants a 4 year deal so he can get paid again when he's 28, and the Cards are offering a 6 year deal for obvious reasons. In order to retain Calvin Pace--which is their other biggest priority, and do anything in free agency as well--Fitz would have to restructure
When its all said and done, Im sure we will all read the headlines "Fitzgerald to be highest paid receiver in Cardinals team history..blah blah" and the deal is met in the middle at 5 years.
Quote from: reese125 on February 28, 2008, 02:10:03 PM
the years are off from the two sides. Fitz wants a 4 year deal so he can get paid again when he's 28, and the Cards are offering a 6 year deal for obvious reasons. In order to retain Calvin Pace--which is their other biggest priority, and do anything in free agency as well--Fitz would have to restructure
When its all said and done, Im sure we will all read the headlines "Fitzgerald to be highest paid receiver in Cardinals team history..blah blah" and the deal is met in the middle at 5 years.
get boldin ???
I'm probably one of the few people that thinks Boldin is better. Fitz is more athletic obviously but that hasn't stopped Boldin from putting up nearly identical/sometimes better numbers then him.
boldin is a year or two away from being in walter reed with titanium legs
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
I'm probably one of the few people that thinks Boldin is better.
Hint: You're wrong.
They both have their injury problems. Boldin's got the bigger body though. I don't know, I've just always liked Boldin a little bit better.
Not that I wouldn't kill to have the Eagles trade for Fitzgerald. Please.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
I'm probably one of the few people that thinks Boldin is better.
Hint: You're wrong.
Can you prove it?
Hint: Stats won't do it.
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 02:53:31 PM
They both have their injury problems. Boldin's got the bigger body though. I don't know, I've just always liked Boldin a little bit better.
Not that I wouldn't kill to have the Eagles trade for Fitzgerald. Please.
they both have been hurt before only one has injury problems...boldin has hurt everything from his big toe to his hip...the legs are going going gone....not to mention boldin is a Hoyda who cant play thru anything
we just tendered Hanson and re-signed Reed to a 1 yr deal.
Good, and meh.
Hanson > Samuel.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 28, 2008, 01:17:08 PM
I think Andy values exercise and eating healthy more than his kids.
Andy values the LB position more than his kids.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 02:53:31 PM
They both have their injury problems. Boldin's got the bigger body though. I don't know, I've just always liked Boldin a little bit better.
Not that I wouldn't kill to have the Eagles trade for Fitzgerald. Please.
they both have been hurt before only one has injury problems...boldin has hurt everything from his big toe to his hip...the legs are going going gone....not to mention boldin is a Hoyda who cant play thru anything
They've both only had two complete seasons...and both have put up ridiculous numbers regardless.
I'd give my right arm for either of them in an Eagles jersey.
I'd rather have the one with good legs
Boldin with bad legs > any other receiver on the Eagles.
Gargano on WIP was saying that from talking to agents and people around the league that the Lions could trade Williams, but he doesn't think they want to deal him to the Eagles. Maybe it is just an NFC thing.
He said the Eagles have interest though.
The Eagles have a lot more to offer than most teams, and if we landed Samuel we'd have Lito to dangle too. Plus the two other teams who need receivers are both in Detroit's division.
Eh... whatever.
all this talk about Lito, Samuel, Williams and Fitz only means the Eagles are that much closer to signing a back-up RB, offensive lineman, and team doctor
cant wait till midnight
If you are going to make a post like that you need to pretend to be a black person.
I think that's what we are all comfortable with.
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
I'm probably one of the few people that thinks Boldin is better. Fitz is more athletic obviously but that hasn't stopped Boldin from putting up nearly identical/sometimes better numbers then him.
Other than you, Anquan Boldin and his family are the only other people who think that. And they may even know that Fitz is better. So it might just be you.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
I'm probably one of the few people that thinks Boldin is better. Fitz is more athletic obviously but that hasn't stopped Boldin from putting up nearly identical/sometimes better numbers then him.
Other than you, Anquan Boldin and his family are the only other people who think that. And they may even know that Fitz is better. So it might just be you. Blah blah blah Munson's a retard.
Just another highlight to how pathetic the Cardinals are:
Since 2003 (Boldin's rookie year):
Number of times a WR caught 70+ passes: Cardinals - 6, Eagles - 2
Number of times a WR caught 100+ passes: Cardinals- 4, Eagles - 0
Number of times a WR had 800+ recieving yards: Cardinals - 6, Eagles - 3*
Number of times a WR had 1000+ recieving yards: Cardinals - 5, Eagles - 2*
Number of times a WR had 5+ TD receptions: Cardinals - 7, Eagles - 5
Number of playoff appearances: Cardinals - 0, Eagles - 3
*TO had 763 yards in 2005 at the time of his suspention. He easily would have gotten to 800 and likely 1000 yards again but was not included in the total count.
I'm not saying I agree, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's stuff like this that keeps Reid away from big time recievers.
And how farging pathetic are the Cardinals to have one of the best recieving tandems in the league (possibly ever) and play in such a weak division and not even be able to muster a single playoff appearance. It's no secret they suck but this really illustrates it.
yeah but, most importantly, how many times did they spread the ball out to 12 no name WRs? When you attack with no names, you keep the defense guessing. 4. Time. NFC East. Champions!
It's kinda surprising they got that much out of it.
I think Jake Scott, the guard from Indy might be a dark horse for the Birds.
Pretty fun, Sarge. I tried another one.
Since 2002 (Chad Johnson's first big season):
Number of times a WR caught 70+ passes: Bengals - 10, Eagles - 2
Number of times a WR caught 100+ passes: Bengals- 1, Eagles - 0
Number of times a WR had 800+ recieving yards: Bengals - 11, Eagles - 3*
Number of times a WR had 1000+ recieving yards: Bengals - 8, Eagles - 2*
Number of times a WR had 5+ TD receptions: Bengals - 12, Eagles - 7
Number of playoff appearances: Bengals - 1, Eagles - 4
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
I'm probably one of the few people that thinks Boldin is better. Fitz is more athletic obviously but that hasn't stopped Boldin from putting up nearly identical/sometimes better numbers then him.
Other than you, Anquan Boldin and his family are the only other people who think that. And they may even know that Fitz is better. So it might just be you.
Like I said, prove it. They've put up virtually identical numbers since they started playing together. Fitzgerald has the edge in the TD department, but everyone knows he's the red zone target there (and would be anywhere else). I don't think you can say one way or the other, I've just always liked Boldin more.
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 28, 2008, 07:38:05 PM
Pretty fun, Sarge. I tried another one.
Since 2002 (Chad Johnson's first big season):
Number of times a WR caught 70+ passes: Bengals - 10, Eagles - 2
Number of times a WR caught 100+ passes: Bengals- 1, Eagles - 0
Number of times a WR had 800+ recieving yards: Bengals - 11, Eagles - 3*
Number of times a WR had 1000+ recieving yards: Bengals - 8, Eagles - 2*
Number of times a WR had 5+ TD receptions: Bengals - 12, Eagles - 7
Number of playoff appearances: Bengals - 1, Eagles - 4
Luckily we can always look to the Rams and Colts SB winning teams to counter those stats. Hell, I just looked at Pittsburgh's reciever stats since 2003 and Hines Ward meets or exceeds the Eagles recievers in those same categories alone.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 28, 2008, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 28, 2008, 07:38:05 PM
Pretty fun, Sarge. I tried another one.
Since 2002 (Chad Johnson's first big season):
Number of times a WR caught 70+ passes: Bengals - 10, Eagles - 2
Number of times a WR caught 100+ passes: Bengals- 1, Eagles - 0
Number of times a WR had 800+ recieving yards: Bengals - 11, Eagles - 3*
Number of times a WR had 1000+ recieving yards: Bengals - 8, Eagles - 2*
Number of times a WR had 5+ TD receptions: Bengals - 12, Eagles - 7
Number of playoff appearances: Bengals - 1, Eagles - 4
Luckily we can always look to the Rams and Colts SB winning teams to counter those stats. Hell, I just looked at Pittsburgh's reciever stats since 2003 and Hines Ward meets or exceeds the Eagles recievers in those same categories alone.
Pitt and Indy's Defenses were also playing rather well in their runs. We know the Rams were all offense but if I remember correctly their D wasn't too shabby in 99 either.
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
I'm probably one of the few people that thinks Boldin is better. Fitz is more athletic obviously but that hasn't stopped Boldin from putting up nearly identical/sometimes better numbers then him.
Other than you, Anquan Boldin and his family are the only other people who think that. And they may even know that Fitz is better. So it might just be you.
Like I said, prove it. They've put up virtually identical numbers since they started playing together. Fitzgerald has the edge in the TD department, but everyone knows he's the red zone target there (and would be anywhere else). I don't think you can say one way or the other, I've just always liked Boldin more.
My eyes know what they see, bro.
Is there a more loathsome internet comment than "prove it"?
Jesus, Munson... talk about douchebaggery.
Damn romey calm down. I'm just saying they're pretty identical players. Boldin catches everything thrown at him, so does Fitz, I just always liked Boldins style of play more.
lol @ the guy going against conventional wisdom saying prove it.
Quote from: Munson on February 28, 2008, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 28, 2008, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 28, 2008, 07:38:05 PM
Pretty fun, Sarge. I tried another one.
Since 2002 (Chad Johnson's first big season):
Number of times a WR caught 70+ passes: Bengals - 10, Eagles - 2
Number of times a WR caught 100+ passes: Bengals- 1, Eagles - 0
Number of times a WR had 800+ recieving yards: Bengals - 11, Eagles - 3*
Number of times a WR had 1000+ recieving yards: Bengals - 8, Eagles - 2*
Number of times a WR had 5+ TD receptions: Bengals - 12, Eagles - 7
Number of playoff appearances: Bengals - 1, Eagles - 4
Luckily we can always look to the Rams and Colts SB winning teams to counter those stats. Hell, I just looked at Pittsburgh's reciever stats since 2003 and Hines Ward meets or exceeds the Eagles recievers in those same categories alone.
Pitt and Indy's Defenses were also playing rather well in their runs. We know the Rams were all offense but if I remember correctly their D wasn't too shabby in 99 either.
Correct. The Rams d in 99 was pretty damn good. Their d in 2001 was more the higher end of middle of the pack I think. Maybe somewhere around 12-15.
Pitt has a good defense every year pretty much. Indy had problems in previous years with their defense and they were hurting in 2005 as well. It wasn't until Bob Sanders came back late in the year that the defense really started playing well enough to not be a liability in the post season.
Since 2004 (Fitz's rookie year):
70+ catches: Fitz - 2, Boldin - 3
100+ catches: Fitz - 2, Boldin - 1
800 yds rec: Fitz - 3, Boldin - 3
1000 yds rec: Fitz - 2, Boldin - 2
5+ rec td's: Fitz - 3, Boldin - 2
They're pretty damn even as far as I'm concerned. I think might be a little more versatile and have a better all around game but the differences between the 2 are miniscule at best.
Thier stats are so rediculously close that I went and compared fumbles and fumbles lost and they're dead even with each other.
lol @ munson saying they are equal except for touchdowns
anyway they are close when both are healthy the problem is boldin often isnt...and he has trouble playing thru a hang nail...fitzgerald is definitely the better guy to have but roy williams would be better than both
as for defenses the eagles had a plenty good enough defense to win the sb for every year of their run...definitely better than indys probably not quite as good as pitts...but to point to other teams defenses as being the reason they won just proves even more that the eagles needed a #1 wr to put them over the top because they had everything but that
If you don't mind reading through the bullshtein, Spadaro's doing a blog today:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15169&spadaro=1
Quote9:46 a.m.
More on Samuel: Obviously, the Eagles know that they have to get him signed today. They understand the market. It would be absolutely huge if he signs here. The man is one of the best play-makers in the NFL and he would give the Eagles a great picture at cornerback. Obviously, you would wonder if there would be another shoe to drop here. If the Eagles sign Samuel, would they trade ...? We can consider that for another time. Let's get a deal done first.
The climate is not to dip your toe into the water in this free-agency period. You bring a player in and you try to sign him right then and there. If he leaves the building, it's going to be difficult to sign him. So the Eagles know they need to get a deal done today. Now. As soon as possible.
Back to my chat with Adam Caplan, from Sirius NFL Radio. He wants the Eagles to sign a cornerback and a defensive end. Adding a wide receiver will be tough. He says the Cardinals are closing in on a deal with Larry Fitzgerald, one of the names rumored to be a player in whom the Eagles are interested -- and the fan favorite -- and he thinks Bernard Berrian will go to Minnesota. A trade? It could be the only way for the Eagles to add some speed.
"They need a speed receiver," says Caplan.
9:33 am.
I just got off the phone with Caplan from and he is amazed at some of the deals around the league. "The Tommy Kelly deal (with Oakland) was one of the worst deals I have ever seen ..."
I have to stop typing. The official announcement is here: Cornerback Asante Samuel is visiting the Eagles today and will be made available at 4:30 p.m. at the NovaCare Complex. Yes!
Sounds like Adam Caplan has a lot more interesting things to say than Dave Spadaro. I'll not be wasting my time with that blog today.
WIP reporting we sign Chris Clemons. :D :yay OMGz!L#!
nm...in the other off-season thread.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 29, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
WIP reporting we sign Chris Clemons. :D :yay OMGz!L#!
nm...in the other off-season thread.
In the other thread, it was reported the Eagles were interested, not that they signed him.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 29, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
WIP reporting we sign Chris Clemons. :D :yay OMGz!L#!
nm...in the other off-season thread.
Who the f is that?
It's all good. He's black.
Per foxnews:
Eagles have interest in Maurice Hicks
Quote from: reese125 on February 29, 2008, 12:45:19 PM
Per foxnews:
Eagles have interest in Maurice Hicks
He's visiting the Vikings too. Frankly the Eagles need his KR duties more than the Vikes do.
Spadaro!
QuoteI'm intrigued by the rumors out there -- are the Eagles really interested in running back Maurice Hicks? -- and I'm waiting for the next move
Refresh his blog at least once a minute!
Hicks was ranked 2nd in the league last year with 1502 yds on kickoffs
He avg's 23.8 yds
Joshua Cribbs ranked 1st with 1809 yds on kickoffs
He had a 30.7 avg
Do it up Birds
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 29, 2008, 10:32:20 AM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on February 29, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
WIP reporting we sign Chris Clemons. :D :yay OMGz!L#!
nm...in the other off-season thread.
In the other thread, it was reported the Eagles were interested, not that they signed him.
He'll be here tomorrow
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/breaking/sports/20080229_Eagles_may_land_pass_rush_specialist.html (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/breaking/sports/20080229_Eagles_may_land_pass_rush_specialist.html)
So far...things looking up for the Birds.
With the signings of Samuel and Clemons, I wonder where they go in the draft. I have a feeling it could be Jeff Otah...
I have no "inside" information but I have a feeling that Lito is going to the Lions and the Eagles are getting Roy Williams. Fitz doesn't sound like he's going anywhere, but Williams only has one year left on his rookie deal, the Lions already have another stud WR in Calvin Johnson, and Williams had that monster game against the Birds (204 years earlier in the year so you know Reid took notice.
It just makes more sense than the Fitz rumor.
I like that he's young and that he can grow within JJ's system and with this line, but why I am seeing a serious regression here. I want to proved wrong of course
Notes on Chris Clemons:
Chris Clemons, a 26-year-old defensive end in his first year with the Raiders, racked up eight sacks with only two starts last season. Clemons' career-high total tied veteran Derrick Burgess for highest on the team.
Last year was the first in Clemons' four-year career where he suited up for all 16 games in a campaign. The former undrafted free agent from Georgia started his career in Washington, where he took part in 16 games from 2003-05. With the taterskins, the 6-foot-3 defender registered just 16 tackles, but he did manage five sacks and two batted down balls in very limited time.
In 2007, Clemons very quietly -- but hastily -- emerged as one of the team's best pass rushers. The 240-pounder recorded three tackles and a sack in an opening-day loss to the Detroit Lions, kicking off what would later become a career season. Clemons didn't take down another quarterback until Week 7, but he managed to do so six more times in the final 10 weeks of the season. In his lone two starts, he recorded three tackles, three sacks and one forced fumble.
"He's been great," nearly fired defensive coordinator Rob Ryan told the Oakland Tribune in late November. "That guy works his butt off. Nobody knew who he was when he (came) here. Now, he jumps out at you. He's a dominant, hard-working guy. Pound for pound, there are not many tougher than him."
Johnson said today that Stew Bradley has "a good chance" to win the starting job at MLB.
omar gaither is the mlb.....i have a god chance to win the job
I saw a quote from a Raiders message board that Clemons looked more like 260 pounds than his listed 240. Who knows, but players are sometimes alot different than their listed weight.
saw this another sports forum...so do not know if its really reliable:
Quotehttp://blog.washingtonpost.com/taterskinsinsider/:
I mentioned Lito Sheppard a few days ago as a possibility and indeed it was. Despite the fact the Eagles are in the NFC East, Philadelphia has contacted Washington several times about Sheppard in recent weeks - more or less since the combine - knowing the taterskins have a need at CB.
The taterskins rebuffed Philly, however, league sources said. They do not want to do a huge contract right now, they have concerns about Sheppard's ability to stay healthy and they are not inclined to give up high draft picks right now. Philly was probing around on Shawn Springs, hoping to pry him, sources said, with the Eagles believing he could be highly effective at corner as well as safety with them already honing in on Asante Samuel quite some time ago. (The taterskins, meantime, had a lengthy dinner with agent Peter Schaffer during the combine - Schaffer is a big-time guy and Sheppard happens to be a client of his. While I do not know specifically if Sheppard's name came up during that meeting, several parties who happened to be in the same Indy restaurant that night believe it did. Regardless, the Skins have shown no desire to deal for him at this time and the Eagles continue to shop Sheppard).
Yeah, Shawn Springs is basically the same player as Lito, but older and even less healthy.
Well, the word "blog" is attached to it so it has to be true.
And got blown up by Josh farging Parry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qxj9W3s-J0
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2008, 08:08:58 PM
Yeah, Shawn Springs is basically the same player as Lito, but older and even less healthy.
yeah i dont know who the guy is how credible he is. some taterskins fan posted it and said the guy is usually right. springs at safety? hmm...
if they traded lito for a move/player like that i would be pretty upset. esp to the taterskins. i would bet lito would return one against the eagles.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 02, 2008, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2008, 08:08:58 PM
Yeah, Shawn Springs is basically the same player as Lito, but older and even less healthy.
yeah i dont know who the guy is how credible he is. some taterskins fan posted it and said the guy is usually right. springs at safety? hmm...
if they traded lito for a move/player like that i would be pretty upset. esp to the taterskins. i would bet lito would return one against the eagles.
It was in the Washington paper...
please no
That'd be some bullshtein to give Lito up for garbage like that.
I Might have missed it somewhere, but if the comp picks weren't already posted..here they are:
4th round for Donte' Stallworth
4th round for Michael Lewis
6th round for Roderick Hood
7th round Shawn Barber
NY Daily News says the Jets aren't interested in Lito
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 02, 2008, 10:45:59 PM
I Might have missed it somewhere, but if the comp picks weren't already posted..here they are:
4th round for Donte' Stallworth
4th round for Michael Lewis
6th round for Roderick Hood
7th round Shawn Barber
Sweet...
Nothing for Garcia? Or did the Curtis signing cancel him out?
Only a 6 for Hood?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 02, 2008, 10:45:59 PM
I Might have missed it somewhere, but if the comp picks weren't already posted..here they are:
4th round for Donte' Stallworth
4th round for Michael Lewis
6th round for Roderick Hood
7th round Shawn Barber
2 extra 4th's? That's pretty damn good...
So wolfman was on SF last night, said that Fitz really is a pipe dream because Arizona is asking a completely absurd price. Ray Diddy said Williams may still be an option, since the Lions need to upgrade their D.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2008, 11:31:25 PM
Only a 6 for Hood?
That seems really low for Hood. At least a five considering the 5Yr./$15M contract he signed and his performance last year.
Edited - just did some research and the 6th rounder does seem about right. Money is more important, evidently, than performance in determining comp. picks.
Also - stole this from TSN message board:
QuoteAs we all know, AdamJT13 is the guru of Compensatory Pick projection/analysis. Using his posts as a guide, I put together the following analysis of how Comp Picks may fall this year. I expect there will be plenty of errors, but I said, "What the heck, the worst that can happen is I make a fool of myself."
To get some sense of contract values, I went to the NFLPA and USA Today websites, as well as Ian Whetstone's Cap Page. The Comp Pick list below shoold be good if my contract values are right. It will be way off if they aren't.
The key to scanning for a Comp Pick offset, if I understand Adam's explanation correctly, is that the offset must be for a lost player in the same round or lower.
For instance, the Bills loss of Nate Clements would be offset by their signing of Derrick Dockery because both those players contract values would appear to qualify for a 3rd Round pick. The Cowboys signing of Leonard Davis would offset their loss of Al Johnson (the highest ranked Cowboy loss). The Bengals signing of Eric Steinbach would offset their loss of Dennis Northcutt (the highest ranked Browns loss). The Patriots signing of Adalius Thomas would offset their loss of Daniel Graham.
So here is the full list (including offsets).
Round - Player Name - Team - Average Annual Comp
O-1 - Nate Clements - Bills 10.000 -- Offset by Derrick Dockery taterskins Bills 7.000
3-1 - Leonard Davis - Cardinals 7.086
3-2 - Eric Steinbach - Bengals 7.071
3-3 - Adalius Thomas - Ravens 7.000
3-4 - Derrick Dockery - taterskins 7.000
3-5 - Patrick Kerney - Falcons 6.107
O-2 - Daniel Graham - Patriots 6.000 -- Offset by Adalius Thomas Ravens Patriots 7.000
In 2007 the NFL awarded 4 Third Round Comp Picks. Of the highest seven contracts, two would have an offset, and therefore it would appear that either four or five qualify for a 3rd Round Comp Pick. The cut off for 3rd Round picks is a bit arbitrary, and will either be after Dockery's $7 million contract, or after Graham's $6 million contract. The contract between Dockery's and Graham's is Kerney's contract at $6.107 million. Because Kerney is going to the Pro Bowl, I imagine the NFL will push his comp pick up into the higher Round, and since Graham is one of the offsets, I believe the 4th Round comps will begin with Dewayne White. So, bottom-line 5 Third Round Comp Picks are likely this year.
4-1 - Dewayne White - Buccaneers 5.800
4-2 - Ahman Green - Packers 5.750
4-3 - Donte' Stallworth - Eagles 5.517
4-4 - Deon Grant - Jaguars 5.304
4-5 - Drew Bennett - Titans 5.000
4-6 - Langston Walker - Raiders 5.000
O-3 - London Fletcher - Bills 5.000 -- Offset by Langston Walker Bills Raiders 5.000
4-7 - Michael Lewis - Eagles 5.000
In 2007 the NFL awarded 6 Fourth Round Comp Picks. Using AdamJT13's guidelines, based on Average annual compensation there appear to be eight players who would qualify for Fourth Round awards; however, there is one offset in that group of eight. So, bottom-line I see 7 Fourth Round Comp Picks as likely this year, but only if all the $5 million contracts actually are valued that way.
O-4 - Kevin Curtis - Rams 4.850 -- Offset by Drew Bennett Titans Rams 5.000
5-1 - Tony Pashos - Ravens 4.800
O-5 - Jeff Garcia - Eagles 4.750 -- Offset by Kevin Curtis Rams Eagles 4.850
5-2 - Mike Gandy - Bills 4.667
5-3 - Donnie Edwards - Chargers 4.500
O-6 - Al Johnson - Cowboys 4.375 -- Offset by Leonard Davis Cardinals Cowboys 7.086
5-4 - Kenyon Coleman - Cowboys 4.079
In 2007 the NFL awarded 5 Fifth Round Comp Picks. Based on Average annual compensation there appear to be seven players who would qualify for Fifth Round awards, but three of those comps are offset, including Jeff Garcia.
6-1 - Dominic Rhodes - Colts 3.750
O-7 - Napoleon Harris - Vikings 3.700 -- Offset by Visanthe Shiancoe NY Giants Vikings 3.600
6-2 - Visanthe Shiancoe - NY Giants 3.600
O-8 - Jeremy Newberry - 49ers 3.500 -- Offset by Nate Clements Bills 49ers 10.000
O-9 - Dennis Northcutt - Browns 3.410 -- Offset by Robaire Smith Titans Browns 3.000
O-10 - Sean Mahan - Buccaneers 3.400 -- Offset by Jeff Garcia Eagles Buccaneers 4.750
6-3 - Nick Harper - Colts 3.133
6-4 - Cato June - Colts 3.000
O-11 - Bobby Wade - Titans 3.000 -- Offset by Nick Harper Colts Titans 3.133
6-5 - Ovie Mughelli - Ravens 3.000
6-6 - Robaire Smith - Titans 3.000
6-7 - Roderick Hood - Eagles 3.000
6-8 - Terrence Holt - Lions 3.000
6-9 - Damion McIntosh - Dolphins 3.000
The Sixth Round was the toughest one to predict, because of the seven contracts all worth $3 million annually. In 2007 the NFL awarded 4 Sixth Round Comp Picks. Without the offsets, that number would be easy to match, but four of the seven contracts over $3 million are offset. So, bottom-line I think there will be 9 Sixth Round Comp Picks, but as many as six of those could slide down into the 7th Round.
O-12 - Tully Banta-Cain - Patriots 2.925 -- Offset by Donte' Stallworth Eagles Patriots 5.517
O-13 - Antwan Peek - Texans 2.900 -- Offset by Ahman Green Packers Texans 5.750
O-14 - Brian Russell - Browns 2.700 -- Offset by Robaire Smith Titans Browns 3.000
O-15 - Kyle Brady - Jaguars 2.600 -- Offset by Tony Pashos Ravens Jaguars 4.800
O-16 - Ken Hamlin - Seahawks 02.550 -- Offset by Patrick Kerney Falcons Seahawks 6.107
7-1 - Kelley Washington - Bengals 2.500
7-2 - Kevin Kaesviharn - Bengals 2.500
7-3 - Travis Fisher - Rams 2.250
O-17 - Cooper Carlisle - Broncos 2.200 -- Offset by Daniel Graham Patriots Broncos 6.000
O-18 - Ashley Lelie - Falcons 2.150 -- Offset by Ovie Mughelli Ravens Falcons 3.000
O-19 - David Bowens - Dolphins 2.033 -- Offset by Jay Feely NY Giants Dolphins 1.467
O-20 - Eric Johnson - 49ers 2.000 -- Offset by Michael Lewis Eagles 49ers 5.000
7-4 - Aubrayo Franklin - Ravens 1.956
7-5 - Shawn Barber - Eagles 1.833
7-6 - Alfonso Boone - Bears 1.800
O-21 - Jordan Black - Chiefs 1.750 -- Offset by Napoleon Harris Vikings Chiefs 3.700
7-7 - Sammy Morris - Dolphins 1.650
O-22 - T.J. Duckett - taterskins 1.500 -- Offset by London Fletcher Bills taterskins 5.000
7-8 - Jay Feely - NY Giants 1.467
7-9 - Chris Draft - Panthers 1.425
It is not clear to me how many total Comp Picks will be awarded. The uncertainty comes from how the NFL will deal with "lost picks." For this exercise I went with 34 picks total (which may prove to be too many).
My logic in choosing 34 is that the number of Comp picks has historically been set by the NFL at a level so that the total number of picks in each year's Draft comes to 255. If that is correct, the number of standard picks in a Draft is 224, but this year will only be 221 because the Patriots have lost their 1st Round pick and two other teams have forfeited picks by selecting players in the Supplemental Draft. Therefore the number of Comp picks this year should be 34. 9 Seventh Round comp picks will get us to 34. There appear to be 20 players who signed for $1.4 million per year or more.
It is almost certain that the NFL will look at the players lost with contract values below Chris Draft's to determine if the aggregate losses of some teams are worthy of a pick. I analyzed the 46 players whose comp puts them below Draft. I continued the offset process through those 46, and ended up with 20 players without offsets. Then I looked at those 20 at a team level, which yielded the following:
49ers = 2 for $ 1.25 million total
Bears = 3 for $2.98 million total
Bengals = 2 for $2.2 million total
Dolphins = 1 for $1.03 million total
Falcons = 1 for $1.37 million total
Giants = 1 for $1.24 million total
Panthers = 2 for $1.27 million total
taterskins = 1 for $1.35 million total
Seahawks = 2 for $1.2 million total
Given the $1.42 million amount of the 34th player in the current comp list, only the Bears and Bengals would appear to be in line for consideration for an aggregate loss comp pick.
The last two players in the comp pick list are Chris Draft and Jay Feely. Backing them out to accomodate the Bears and Bengals raises the Giants from one uncompensated pick to two with a $2.71 million total, and the Panthers from one uncompensated pick to two with a $2.70 million total. That would give each of those teams higher aggregate losses than the Bengals. So the Bears can be dealt with, but not the Bengals unless you go futher up the pick list.
Moving up one more to the Dolphins pick for Sammy Morris creates the same problem. Backing Morris out raises the Dolphins aggregate to $2.68 million.
Next up is Alphonso Boone of the Bears, which raises the Bears' aggregate losses to $4.78 million, but at least doesn't add another team. So if we stop there the final picks would be the Bears for their aggregate losses, the Dolphins for Morris, the Giants for Feely, the Panthers for Draft, and the Bengals for their aggregate losses.
If by some chance the NFL decides that the Bears deserve two of the final picks, the next player is Shawn Barber of the Eagles at $1.833 million. The question then becomes do you take out Barber and replace him by the Bengals aggregate? The Bengals already would appear to have three picks, so the bottom-line question ends up being, "Who gets a fourth pick, the Bengals or the Eagles?"
QuoteReid Couldn't Talk Moss Away From Pats
Written by Garry Cobb
Monday, 03 March 2008
Andy Reid was on the telephone this afternoon for over an hour with Randy Moss but he wasn't able to talk him into turning down a 3 year $27 million deal with Patriots. Moss decided to stay put where he is with the Patriots. Reid and the Eagles weren't willing to better the offer from the Pats.
Moss got the offer from the Patriots this weekend, but didn't immediately sign the deal because he wanted to see if other teams were willing to better the offer. The Eagles were one of the teams Moss was interested in playing for, so he and his agent got in touch with Andy Reid and wanted know if he was willing to better the deal.
Obviously, Andy and the Eagles were not willing to make a better offer, so Randy Moss decided to stay put with the New England Patriots.
I thought I was going to have some great news for you after I got the call that Reid and Moss had had the long conversation. Unfortunately I was another close but no cigar for the Birds and their fans.
So the Eagles must continue their search for a true number one wide receiver. If they had signed Moss they would have acquired the best deep receiver in all of the NFL. Moss broke the NFL record last year for most TD receptions in a single season with 23.
The Birds can't say they didn't have a chance because Moss and his agent got Andy Reid and the Eagles on the phone and talked for what I understand to be, nearly two hours. I'm going to try to find out exactly what was discussed other than the contract.
Moss and his group had contacted me this weekend trying to get in touch with Donovan McNabb. They were interested in finding out whether the Eagles were interested in signing him, after the Patriots had been dragging their feet in the negotiations.
After the call from Moss, I called the McNabb's in Florida that Moss was trying to get in touch with Donovan. During that time, Randy decided to give the Patriots the weekend to give him a better offer and they did just that. Tom Brady got involved and the Patriots came in with a much better offer. The second offer from the Patriots was more than anybody else was willing to pay, so that sealed the deal.
Like there was any chance in hell of that happening.
:-D
If that's all true, I can't say that I blame them for passing. Moss is a great reciever, no doubt. But I've always had reservations about him in the WCO. Add in the fact that he is 31 and you've got to wonder how much longer his speed will be a factor. And when he doesn't have the speed, what kind of reciever does he turn into?
It would have been nice if they could have gotten him, but I don't think it would have been the best possible way to spend the money if they would have had to outbid NE.
I wonder if Peter King is going to write an article complaining about how Moss only cared about the money.
Howard says the Eagles offered more money
So, where the farg is the progress/status on the Fitzgerald Fantasy? :boom
Quote from: hbionic on March 03, 2008, 05:13:31 PM
So, where the farg is the progress/status on the Fitzgerald Fantasy? :boom
Eagles thought they had a deal for him with Lito and a #1...then the Cruds wanted more and AR said no. I think Cobb was saying this the other day.
If the offers were at all comparable, Moss would have been absolutely nuts to leave NE.
over in the philly.com thread, dudes were saying 3 yrs 30 million per Eskin
Reid knew what the Patriots were offereing, so he makes a phone call to Moss hours before they sealed the deal, coaxing him into leaving a dynasty and the best QB in football for farging 3 million more dollars.
Ummm...and the incentive is where Andy? Salesman of the Year
Yeah, money means so little to Mr. Straight Cash Homey.
Seriously? People are faulting Reid on this?
Frankly, you should be glad he didn't offer more and also that he clearly sees the need to add a stud at the WR position.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 03, 2008, 07:38:01 PM
Seriously? People are faulting Reid on this?
Frankly, you should be glad he didn't offer more and also that he clearly sees the need to add a stud at the WR position.
Agree. Who here really thought more than $10M a season for Moss was the right move?
I applaud the effort.
But this also wreaks of desperation that Reid had to go after Moss so hard. I think the Fitz fantasy is over.
I'm still holding out for Fitz. GET FITZ!
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
But Williams should still be an option (not as good as Fitz, IMO, but beggars can't be choosers).
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 02, 2008, 10:45:59 PM
I Might have missed it somewhere, but if the comp picks weren't already posted..here they are:
4th round for Donte' Stallworth
4th round for Michael Lewis
6th round for Roderick Hood
7th round Shawn Barber
Where did you see this. It's not on NFL.com, KFFL.com or pe.com which it should be, especially if this was announced yesterday. All this does is go along with the projections that were posted.
Well god DAMN!
PFT backs up GCobb;
QuotePOSTED 8:11 p.m. EST, March 3, 2008
EAGLES LOST MOSS "AT THE WIRE"
We've heard from several readers today about reports in Philly from Gcobb.com and the radio host at WIP who hates us that the Eagles made a run at signing receiver Randy Moss.
We've looked into it, and it is 100 percent true.
The following explanation is based on our discussions with multiple league sources.
The Eagles, as reported elsewhere, offered a higher annual average than the Patriots. The Eagles also offered more guaranteed money than did the Pats.
But it was a day of high drama. The process went back and forth between the Eagles and the Patriots. At one point, the Eagles thought they had him. Then, it looked like the Pats had him. Then the Eagles. Then the Patriots.
One source said that the Pats won Moss "at the wire."
Moss, as we're told, was afraid to leave a place where he's happy after being unhappy for so many years before that.
The Eagles, as we understand it, knew that Moss was inclined to return to New England but decided to be aggressive.
And we greatly admire the Eagles for trying. Our good friends in Philly would have been elated with such a move -- and they should be happy that their team tried so hard to get a guy who could have had as big of an impact as Terrell Owens did in 2004, if not bigger.
The next question becomes whether this prompts the Eagles to re-double their efforts to pry receiver Larry Fitzgerald away from the Cardinals. There has been plenty of chatter about the Eagles trying to pull off a trade, and after getting so close to securing Moss there likely could be an increase groundswell of support for the franchise to do whatever is necessary to land a guy who in time could be every bit as good as Moss.
Read that. It's in the Boston Globe too. Sickening.
At least the FO is trying though.
Yep, cant fault them here. They offered more overall and more guaranteed and he stayed put.
Now...dont mope, Andy, pick up the phone and get the Cards deal DONE. Or Lions. Whatever the farg.
Do you think Andy and the rest of the FO watched the SB and realized the farging Giants just won and how far away could the Eagles really be? Honestly, adding Samuel, Clemons, and Moss, in addition to the draft would have made Philly the front runners all of a sudden.
I agree though, get this shtein done with Fitz or RWilliams.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 03, 2008, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 03, 2008, 07:38:01 PM
Seriously? People are faulting Reid on this?
Frankly, you should be glad he didn't offer more and also that he clearly sees the need to add a stud at the WR position.
Agree. Who here really thought more than $10M a season for Moss was the right move?
Of course you can say that now after the fact. There is nobody anywhere killing the Patriots about dishing that kind of bread out. He's still one of if not the best WR's in the game
You can analyze it, rationalize it, break it down to its simplest form...whatever. Not one person in here would bitch if they picked up Moss for $10million/year. You'd be happier than a retard at the special olympics and camping out at Modells for a Moss jersey tomorrow. Were so worried about our cash, we think we can all play Banner. There are plenty of ways to skin a cat if push came to shove, and the Birds were strapped for cash looking for free agents in the years to come.
QuoteMoss is a great reciever, no doubt. But I've always had reservations about him in the WCO. Add in the fact that he is 31 and you've got to wonder how much longer his speed will be a factor.
31, still running a 4.3 and your worried about his speed in 3 years? Joey Galloway wants to invite you over for dinner
Roy Williams is your best hope, people. There is 0% chance the Cardinals do not keep Fitzgerald.
agree 6,000%
QuoteThere are plenty of ways to skin a cat if push came to shove
Hurt yourself. A lot.
The DJ Hackett signing is going to feel extra zesty after coming this close with Moss and Fitzgerald.
Quote from: Rome on March 03, 2008, 09:03:47 PM
QuoteThere are plenty of ways to skin a cat if push came to shove
Hurt yourself. A lot.
ok...what do I do now. wait dont tell me...
Who said the Eagles ever cam "close" on Fitz?
All I heard were rumors that the Eagles had agreed with his people on a contract, but still didn't come anywhere near a trade deal with the Cards.
Brookover weighs in on Moss and Fitz. (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/sports_breaking/20080303_Despite_overture_from_Eagles__Moss_stays_with_Pats.html)
QuoteA league source said the Eagles continue to field offers for Sheppard and that the offers have been for both draft picks and players. The source said to forget the idea that the Eagles will be able to acquire Arizona star Larry Fitzgerald from the Cardinals, even though the team has been unable to resolve a contract issue with the wide receiver.
"They're not going to trade him," the source said, reinforcing what Arizona general manager Rod Graves stated so emphatically at the scouting combine.
You know who we haven't heard about in a while? Chad Johnson!
Whatever. The WR's are fine.
If the Eagles can't get him then I hope Fitzgerald screws over the Cardinals royally.
Jabar Gaffney is available.
It's clear now. The Eagles will not add Chad Johnson or Randy Moss or Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald or Javon Walker or Donte Stallworth.
This much is clear.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 03, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
The DJ Hackett signing is going to feel extra zesty after coming this close with Moss and Fitzgerald.
Im aboard the Hackett train and I wouldnt doubt he outshines all the receivers (if healthy of course).
Why acquire any of them when you can have Andre Davis to compete with Greggie for the slot?
Quote from: reese125 on March 03, 2008, 09:25:25 PMIm aboard the Hackett train and I wouldnt doubt he outshines all the receivers (if healthy of course).
at this point yes, sign Hackett
Quote from: Diomedes on March 03, 2008, 09:28:12 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 03, 2008, 09:25:25 PMIm aboard the Hackett train and I wouldnt doubt he outshines all the receivers (if healthy of course).
at this point yes, sign Hackett
:'(
No interest in Hackett. Why sign someone just for the sake of adding him?
He would improve the Eagles WR corps, plain and simple.
Adding Hackett removes the chance of getting Roy Williams, Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson or someone else.
I'd rather just keep Baskett. Hackett isn't that much better if at all. He just has gotten more opportunities.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 03, 2008, 09:24:15 PM
It's clear now. The Eagles will not add Chad Johnson or Randy Moss or Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald or Javon Walker or Donte Stallworth.
This much is clear.
One of them minus Stallworth will be an Eagle by training camp. The Eagles are serious about adding a legit #1, and when they are this serious about something, they always get what they want eventually. Just my opinion of course.
Quote from: King Cole on March 03, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
Adding Hackett removes the chance of getting Roy Williams, Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson or someone else.
I'd rather just keep Baskett. Hackett isn't that much better if at all. He just has gotten more opportunities.
jesus christ. The only thing thats similar with these two guys is their last names. Baskett blows and Hackett was highly considered to be Seattles #1 receiver before the start of last season and injury.
I cant see why the eagles would want a red zone target with solid hands anyway. Their good
Quote from: Diomedes on March 03, 2008, 09:46:21 PM
He would improve the Eagles WR corps, plain and simple.
Actually...no, he wouldn't...at all, salty and complex.
Quote from: reese125 on March 03, 2008, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 03, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
Adding Hackett removes the chance of getting Roy Williams, Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson or someone else.
I'd rather just keep Baskett. Hackett isn't that much better if at all. He just has gotten more opportunities.
jesus christ. The only thing thats similar with these two guys is their last names. Baskett blows and Hackett was highly considered to be Seattles #1 receiver before the start of last season and injury.
I cant see why the eagles would want a red zone target with solid hands anyway. Their good
Hackett has 9 TDs in 3 years. No one was considering him #1 anything.
i consider him #1 at not being a #1
Quote from: Wingspan on March 03, 2008, 10:36:39 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 03, 2008, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 03, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
Adding Hackett removes the chance of getting Roy Williams, Fitzgerald, Chad Johnson or someone else.
I'd rather just keep Baskett. Hackett isn't that much better if at all. He just has gotten more opportunities.
jesus christ. The only thing thats similar with these two guys is their last names. Baskett blows and Hackett was highly considered to be Seattles #1 receiver before the start of last season and injury.
I cant see why the eagles would want a red zone target with solid hands anyway. Their good
Hackett has 9 TDs in 3 years. No one was considering him #1 anything.
He was Hasselbacks favorite target all through camp and widely talked about having a solid year. If he stayed healthy, especially with Branch hurt as well, he very well could of been.
Not sure where he got this from but Gary Papa says the Eagles offered a 2nd + Lito for Fitzgerald and Arizona wants the 1st instead.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2008, 11:33:35 PM
Not sure where he got this from but Gary Papa says the Eagles offered a 2nd + Lito for Fitzgerald and Arizona wants the 1st instead.
If that's true and the Eagles don't move, they are retarded. If they can't turn Lito into an elite WR, the team is just going to wind up packaging him with a 4th or 3rd to trade 1st rounders with Baltimore, where the Birds will get someone way worse than Fitz.
What the farg are they waiting for then?
i find it hard to believe that Gary Papa has information like that and nobody else does
Quote from: SunMo on March 03, 2008, 11:38:04 PM
i find it hard to believe that Gary Papa has information like that and nobody else does
I agree with you 100%. At least he didn't pretend to be brokering the deal himself, like GCobb with Moss.
Quote from: SunMo on March 03, 2008, 11:38:04 PM
i find it hard to believe that Gary Papa has information like that and nobody else does
GCobb did one of his Ustream chats tonight and said the same thing.
furious
The Eagles hold all the cards here. They can wait it out and see if the Cardinals cave. They will have to move on it soon, because Fitz has them cap strapped with his contract.
If they budge, get him with that deal. If not, up the ante. They will up the ante too. They don't have the balls to not get a #1 WR after Westbrook and McNabb so badly screamed for one.
WHAT THE farg.
Just give them your first rounder you stupid fargs. Getting Fitz is just LIKE a 1st round draft pick except for it's a hell of a lot better then anyone else you would get this year in the draft.
fargING DO IT.
I believe the reports that they've had discussions, but I don't know if I'm buying the report that they want a first and Lito. IMO that wouldn't even get it done. I think it would take Lito a 1st and a 2nd to get it done.
I've got a full house. Kings full 4's
Andy Reid's gonna be on Mike and Mike in the morning at 8:05. I'm going to bed so someone listen, post, and bullet the important parts for me to read later.
Quote from: Munson on March 04, 2008, 02:49:03 AM
WHAT THE farg.
Just give them your first rounder you stupid fargs. Getting Fitz is just LIKE a 1st round draft pick except for it's a hell of a lot better then any other wide reciever that you've ever drafted or will ever draft.
fargING DO IT.
Stop assuming Gary Papa has any farging idea what's going on, nimrods.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2008, 07:26:50 AM
Stop assuming Gary Papa has any farging idea what's going on, nimrods.
QFT.
Cards aren't trading Fitz.
I've said that at least once. Yet, people insist on living in happyland and having hope.
the eagles should just ignore fitz and if the cards get desperate maybe they will contact the eagles.
in the meanwhile try to trade for roy williams. a 2nd and lito should do it for him. hell give them a 1st. roy williams is worth it himself.
I think a 1st and Lito for Roy Williams is very steep. Maybe do it if they toss back a 2nd in the deal or something.
Lito's a really good player. Unless the Eagles honestly think he'll sit out the season before he suits up, there is no reason to panic and trade him away below value.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 04, 2008, 07:30:12 AM
the eagles should just ignore fitz and if the cards get desperate maybe they will contact the eagles.
in the meanwhile try to trade for roy williams. a 2nd and lito should do it for him. hell give them a 1st. roy williams is worth it himself.
They need to talk to detroit and leak the discussions to the media. Maybe it makes Arizona a little nervous about the idea of missing out on Lito and an extra draft pick and become more agressive with the Eagles in getting a deal done.
You know what makes the Cardinals nervous? The idea of not having Larry Fitzgerald on their team makes them really farging nervous.
Fitz will be a Cardinal this season, and that's an absolute guarantee.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
You know what makes the Cardinals nervous?
Opening Day aka the only day of the year that they wake up with a .500 record?
Give them a first from next years draft, and Lito
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
You know what makes the Cardinals nervous? The idea of not having Larry Fitzgerald on their team makes them really farging nervous.
Fitz will be a Cardinal this season, and that's an absolute guarantee.
Really goin' out on a limb there ain't ya, captain?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 04, 2008, 07:47:01 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
You know what makes the Cardinals nervous?
Opening Day aka the only day of the year that they wake up with a .500 record?
Wow.
That was almost as bad as a reese post. Well done, Sassy.
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2008, 08:08:29 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 04, 2008, 07:47:01 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
You know what makes the Cardinals nervous?
Opening Day aka the only day of the year that they wake up with a .500 record?
Wow.
That was almost as bad as a reese post. Well done, Sassy.
Even worse, he sucks at math.
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2008, 08:08:29 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 04, 2008, 07:47:01 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
You know what makes the Cardinals nervous?
Opening Day aka the only day of the year that they wake up with a .500 record?
Wow.
That was almost as bad as a reese post. Well done, Sassy.
Wait..no, "Yay!" at the end?
When its quiet, you might think something is brewing, but then you have articles like this that really keeps your hopes alive.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/03/chances_of_roy_williams_gettin.html (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/03/chances_of_roy_williams_gettin.html)
So, you're telling me there's a chance!
i wish reese's breathing would go quiet
my god you are sad. I feel so bad for your foster parents.
QuoteI love the idea of trading Roy to Miami for their Number one pick...then we take Jake Long.
That would be the only scenario to trad Roy...our receivers aren't the problem with this team.
I like this idea a lot.
Totally plausible.
QuotePOSTED 8:05 a.m. EST, March 4, 2008
CARDS KEEPING FITZGERALD, FOR NOW
There are rumors and reports that, before the Eagles took a serious run at receiver Randy Moss, they tried to swing a trade for the guy who once was a ball boy for Randy's team in Minnesota.
But, as we're told, the Cardinals presently plan to keep him.
It remains to seen whether the Cards change their minds. With huge cap numbers in 2008 and 2009 and a franchise tender that would be in excess of $20 million in 2010, the Cardinals would be wise to trade him, if they can't get him to restructure his contract.
Regarding a possible restructuring, we've heard rumblings that Fitzgerald would be willing to take only (only?) $27 million in guaranteed money, even though he's in line to pocket more than $31 million ($14.5925 million this year and $17.355 million next season) if he's on the Cardinals' opening day roster at the outset of the 2009 regular season.
As the folks at GCobb.com have reported, the Eagles have offered cornerback Lito Sheppard and a second-round pick for Fitzgerald, but the Cards have said no.
As we hear it, the Eagles would still be interested, if the Cardinal were to change their minds.
The fact that the Eagles made a run at Fitzgerald and Moss is evidence that they are intent on bringing a field-stretching receiver who commands double coverage to town. As we see it, there are ten other such guys. Here's a quick look at the availability of each of them.
Lee Evans, Bills: Readers have asked us about rumors of a trade that would send Evans and quarterback J.P. Losman to the Lions for receiver Roy Williams. But while the Bills might be willing to move Evans in order to get in return one of the other guys who draw double coverage, it's unclear whether the Bills would send Evans away without someone to replace him.
Chad Johnson, Bengals: He wants out of Cincy but the Bengals seem to be poised to make a point. Besides, we're not sure the Eagles would be interested in another potential T.O.
Braylon Edwards, Browns: His breakout year in 2007 makes him a key component of a Cleveland team that will be everyone's sexy pick to win the AFC North. He's going nowhere.
Reggie Wayne, Colts: He's staying put, especially with Marvin Harrison no longer among the league's elite.
Andre Johnson, Texans: Their struggles at corner could prompt them to consider a deal that would include Lito Sheppard, but such a move would likely send shock waves through Houston. [Editor's note: My head was momentarily visiting this place when I initially compiled the list, so I somehow overlooked Johnson.]
Brandon Marshall, Broncos: He has yet to reach his full potential and he's already shown signs of being a potential pain in the butt. We can't imagine the Broncos even considering letting him leave.
Terrell Owens, Cowboys: Um, yeah.
Plaxico Burress, Giants: The Eagles and Giants likely wouldn't be able to agree on a trade of month-old magazines.
Roy Williams, Lions: With Calvin Johnson likely to become an elite receiver soon, Williams could be expendable. He is signed through 2009 and surprisingly low base salaries of $574,000 and $912,000. He might be angling for more money now, and he might only get it from a new team.
Steve Smith, Panthers: The headaches he can cause are outweighed by his talent. If the Panthers don't come up with better ways to use him, they might eventually have no choice. For now, however, he's off limits.
Torry Holt, Rams: We're not sure how much longer he'll be a high-end wideout, and with a new wind blowing through the organization we wouldn't be shocked if they were willing to talk.
So, the list of possibilities is really this:
Andre Johnson
Roy Williams
Torry Holt
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2008, 12:40:44 PM
So, the list of possibilities is really this:
Kevin Curtis
Reggie Brown
Jason Avant
Word...
btwn now and april 27 when the possiblity of a first day pick being included no longer exists i consider everything to be posturing and anything to be possible
So do I but I'd love for something to happen now while it seems the Eagles are being very aggressive towards a top WR. Who knows how long that'll last.
Someone's getting testy about Fitzy:
QuoteDo you understand this concept: THE CARDINALS DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION OF TRADING LARRY FITZGERALD
:-D
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h154/CrowHuck/heinzp1.gif)(http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/style_images/1/spadaro.gif)
from the fwiw category
eskin just said the eagles offer for fitzgerald was lito and reggie brown not lito and a 2nd rounder
Much smarter. They wouldn't want to have to take playing time away from the likes of Avant and Baskett, now would they?
avant is the barry gardner of wide receivers
I guess that's slightly better than being the Quinton Caver or Matt McCoy of wide receivers.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2008, 03:34:44 PM
I guess that's slightly better than being the Quinton Caver or Matt McCoy of wide receivers.
and not quite as good as the britt hager of wide receivers
But alot better than the Levon Kirkland of receivers.
Reggie Brown was a second rounder, so in effect, it was Lito plus a #2.
And if they really expected the Cruds to take that, I don't know why they even bothered offering it in the first place. It's Lito plus a #1 or nothing at all, and like I said a few pages ago, Reid values his #1 picks more than his own waterheaded offspring, so it ain't gonna happen.
PS: I wish the Kevin Allen of rapists would break into all of your trailers and violate you all.
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2008, 04:03:40 PM
Reggie Brown was a second rounder, so in effect, it was Lito plus a #2.
why wouldnt it then be "in effect" a first rounder plus a second rounder?
lito, reggie and a #2
Quote from: SunMo on March 04, 2008, 04:13:54 PM
lito, reggie and a #2
and some of Britt's stash - the good stuff, not the stuff he let Garrett stuff up his ass and sneak into prison
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2008, 03:25:15 PM
from the fwiw category
eskin just said the eagles offer for fitzgerald was lito and reggie brown not lito and a 2nd rounder
Brown is still owed $8.5 million in guaranteed money meaning the Eagles would be on the hook for that if they traded him. In other words Eskin's an idiot.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 04, 2008, 05:20:06 PMEskin's an idiot.
Listen to this guy. He speaketh the truth.
Reid would nut himself if he traded Lito for 4 second day draft picks. That's 2 guards, a project OT AND a WR.
re: reggie + lito for fitz :-D :-D :-D
Even igy didn't believe him, hence the "fwiw"
eskin puts out the info the front office wants him to. obviously wolfman is a buffoon, but he can get info because he sold his soul to the fatman for it.
Quote from: MDS on March 04, 2008, 06:16:36 PM
eskin puts out the info the front office wants him to. obviously wolfman is a buffoon, but he can get info because he sold his soul to the fatman for it.
And just think, in a couple of years you'll be bending over and picking up the soap for people just like Reid.
Yay, Todd!
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2008, 07:43:28 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 04, 2008, 06:16:36 PM
eskin puts out the info the front office wants him to. obviously wolfman is a buffoon, but he can get info because he sold his soul to the fatman for it.
And just think, in a couple of years you'll be bending over and picking up the soap for people just like Britt and Garrett Reid do.
Yay, Todd!
Actually, that's his BEST case scenario.
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2008, 07:43:28 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 04, 2008, 06:16:36 PM
eskin puts out the info the front office wants him to. obviously wolfman is a buffoon, but he can get info because he sold his soul to the fatman for it.
And just think, in a couple of years you'll be bending over and picking up the soap for people just like Reid.
Yay, Todd!
lolZ I RULE!!one2
Maybe you can become the next Spadaro when he retires? You have the same stunted literary skillz and you go to Temple. You'd be a natural!
I might just call it a day and work for the government. It's the easy way out.
Buddy's watching you (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hlR6ujpB89k) 1988 Eagles Rap.... Gold
farg i just noticed SD had this in the NFL Youtube Thread that i had missed.
Quote from: MDS on March 04, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
I might just call it a day and work for the government. It's the easy way out.
It's not too late to drive around measuring the inside of peoples houses.
I didnt hear it (per philly.com forum), but supposedly Derrick Gunn on 610 last night after he interviewed Joe Banner:
The Eagles got 10 call from other teams asking if Lito was available for a possible trade. As of tonight, they have got 6 trade offers from those teams looking to get Lito. Joe Banner told Derrick Gunn they are looking at two of those teams-offers very seriously and have started negotiations already. They would like to have something done by the end of this weekend!
This should be entertaining.
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 08:48:36 AM
I didnt hear it (per philly.com forum), but supposedly Derrick Gunn on 610 last night after he interviewed Joe Banner:
The Eagles got 10 call from other teams asking if Lito was available for a possible trade. As of tonight, they have got 6 trade offers from those teams looking to get Lito. Joe Banner told Derrick Gunn they are looking at two of those teams-offers very seriously and have started negotiations already. They would like to have something done by the end of this weekend!
This should be entertaining.
Ovbiously ARZ and DET... They're getting Fitzgerald or Williams, baby!!!
does it get more entertaining than this?
The only problem I have with this is Banner coming out publicly saying that they are about to trade Lito. I cant see that sitting well, but again I didnt hear it so who the f knows. Anyone catch last nights talk?
who cares....everyone that knows anything knew 90% lito was gone three weeks ago when he bitched about his deal
that number jumped to 100% when they signed samuel
theres isnt an nfl executive anywhere that doesnt know the position the eagles are in
also how do you know banner isnt just releasing this because hes trying to get some other teams to jump in
oh that tricky Banner.....because its not like the Eagles at all to speak about their players.
I almost feel like the Eagles put themselves into a predicament here thinking Lito would be swiped by now and something maybe fell through the cracks with the player they wanted. How could you not have a deal in place already for Lito as soon as you made the deal to sign Asante?
By not doing that, the power shift over to the bidder because the other team knows damn well you have to get rid of him. So now you get less in return. I guess we'll find out Lito's true value when/if a trade happens. Better yet they keep him and he doesn't report to camp
I have to agree with IGY's speculation. The Eagles FO says absolutely nothing to the press unless:
1) They are required to by the league.
2) They see strategic advantage to saying it.
I actually made the mistake of listening to WIP for a few seconds this morning because Garry Cobb was on. Utterly useless. I honest to God don't know how anyone can listen to those douchebags all screaming at each other, especially that dickhead Cataldi.
Anyway, Cobb offered nothing new. Shocking, I know.
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 09:47:24 AM
How could you not have a deal in place already for Lito as soon as you made the deal to sign Asante?
because you cant force another team to make a deal....and if you wait on samuel hes gone to another team...in other words you have six months to deal lito and about six hours to sign samuel
the power is in the hands of the bidder if there is little interest in the player or if the team is running out of time...neither of which is the case
the eagles clearly talked to teams before FA opened to guage interest in lito and got enough in their minds to warrant signing samuel...at this point they have until september to trade lito...theres no rush and from the beginning i expected it to happen on draft day....its ridiculously early to be painting a picture of the eagles in a bad position here
lol @ reese just calling wip
Did he say "This is reese.. long-time listener, first time caller..."?
no but he almost verbatim read this post...
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 09:47:24 AM
oh that tricky Banner.....because its not like the Eagles at all to speak about their players.
I almost feel like the Eagles put themselves into a predicament here thinking Lito would be swiped by now and something maybe fell through the cracks with the player they wanted. How could you not have a deal in place already for Lito as soon as you made the deal to sign Asante?
By not doing that, the power shift over to the bidder because the other team knows damn well you have to get rid of him. So now you get less in return. I guess we'll find out Lito's true value when/if a trade happens. Better yet they keep him and he doesn't report to camp
and the call came on like ten minutes after my last post.....he sounds way older than i thought he was
Wisdom and grammar skills don't always come automatically with age.
From the guy that started all the Fitzgerald hype:
QuoteSource: Update on Wide Receiver Hunt
March 5, 2008
A source close to the situation, the same person that broke the Asante Samuel signing to us, has confirmed that the Eagles will seek Roy Williams or Chad Johnson in a trade. The source told us to expect the Eagles to bring in a big name wide receiver this offseason. Asante Samuel was number one on the list and a big name receiver was a close number two. The Eagles are currently sitting tight awaiting to hear about the Larry Fitzgerald negotiations, but they will also seek Roy Williams or Chad Johnson if the Fitzgerald deal seems unlikely.
This confirms earlier reports by OTR that the Eagles are indeed loading up for a run. Eagles fans should be very excited that the Eagles organization is ready to take the team to the next level. Pieces are being put in place and hopefully all goals will be accomplished this offseason so the Eagles can make a Super Bowl run.
PHOTO CAPTION: Roy Williams could be in Eagle green for the start of the 2008 NFL season.
Posted by Micah Warren
www.blastmagazineblog.com/magazine
http://gcobb.com/content/view/1138/1/
Here we go again...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 09:47:24 AM
How could you not have a deal in place already for Lito as soon as you made the deal to sign Asante?
the eagles clearly talked to teams before FA opened to guage interest in lito and got enough in their minds to warrant signing samuel...at this point they have until september to trade lito...theres no rush and from the beginning i expected it to happen on draft day....its ridiculously early to be painting a picture of the eagles in a bad position here
IGY defending the Eagles FO, dogs and cats living together, Eagles going balls out to trade for a WR, it's mass hysteria.
If FastFreddie starts acting humble, I'm going to start building my bomb shelter.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 05, 2008, 12:37:28 PM
Here we go again...
The guy was dead on about the Samuel signing and there was definitely smoke in the case of Fitzgerald...not to mention he called that shtein like 2 weeks ago.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 05, 2008, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 05, 2008, 12:37:28 PM
Here we go again...
The guy was dead on about the Samuel signing and there was definitely smoke in the case of Fitzgerald...not to mention he called that shtein like 2 weeks ago.
No, I believe you... and I don't doubt the source. I'm talking about here we go just as the Fitzgerald stuff was starting to die down and hopes were coming back down as well. Thery're all about to shoot right back up there.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 05, 2008, 12:38:53 PM
If FastFreddie starts acting humble, I'm going to start building my bomb shelter.
Fallout shelter, underground lounge to watch the Eagles away from the wife and kids... whatever.
It's a very exciting time to be an Eagles fan
You guys are too kind. It's just a privilege to post here.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 05, 2008, 01:02:35 PM
It's a very exciting time to be an Eagles fan
Only if they get one of them LOL
I'm sorry, but I'd still LOVE to have Chad Johnson here. Not that I'd EVER complain about Roy Williams, but Chad Johnson......although...Fitz is still my first choice.
I have a boner right now. All I want to do is rub, point, and shoot at one of these receivers so I can move on.
...and we pray! :evil
QuoteAn ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon
Link (http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAGLES_TO_GET_ROY_WILLIAMS/181560)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 05, 2008, 01:11:34 PM
The poster formerly known as Irishwhiteboy (now goes by just IWB) posted this, his buddy sent it to him so he's trying to find a link right now:
QuoteAn ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon
This made me feel verrrrry happy.
I'm very excited.
boing!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 05, 2008, 01:11:34 PM
QuoteAn ESPN source has stated that Chris Mortensen is about to break a story that Eagles are in serious negotiations to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams from the Detroit Lions. The talks have gone as far as the Philadelphia brass talking with Williams agent on a new deal. The deal is rumored to include cornerback Lito Sheppard and the eagles's second and fourth round picks for Williams and their sixth rounder. It is also believed that the Lions have an interest in Darren Howard. The story should be posted by later this afternoon
Link (http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/EAGLES_TO_GET_ROY_WILLIAMS/181560)
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if that happens it will seriously be the single greatest day of my life....he was my number one choice from the get go...he is a motherfarging stud beast
i wonder if the 1000 yard td reception he had against the eagles last year has anything to do with this
Oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please...
Side note: RJS picked a zesty time to abandon ship.
Williams is my third choice of those three.
That said, I would lovelovelovelove to see him in an Eagles uniform next season!
where the farg did rjs go?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 05, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
where the farg did rjs go?
He got all huffy about the "downfall" of :CF and is trying to prove a point by not posting here anymore. He'll be back.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 05, 2008, 01:41:13 PM
Williams is my third choice of those three.
That said, I would lovelovelovelove to see him in an Eagles uniform next season!
i like him cause he has the best combination of the three...hes not old like ocho so he can help win a superbowl this year and next and then give kolb his #1 receiver to grow with
and he has big play ability that fitzy doesnt....YAC IT UP!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 01:34:28 PM
if that happens it will seriously be the single greatest day of my life....he was my number one choice from the get go...he is a motherfarging stud beast
i wonder if the 1000 yard td reception he had against the eagles last year has anything to do with this
Over Fitzgerald? Whats your reasoning?
I don't see/hear any Mortensen breaking news.
see above
its a horrible cliche most of the time but roy really is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field....
theres not a huge difference but in my mind that gives him the advantage...kinda like fitzy is michael irvin and roy is alvin harper (but better of course)
Williams has always been my first choice. He doesn't go up for a ball like Fitz can but he's faster and has more big play ability.
I'm still in pre-rub mode until we get some kind of confirmation.
Must. Fight. The. Tension. :boom
Quote from: hbionic on March 05, 2008, 01:55:19 PM
I'm still in pre-rub mode until we get some kind of confirmation.
Must. Fight. The. Tension. :boom
I reckon its time for some sorta clever Roy Williams avatar.
I hope this deal goes through so I can put duct tape on my Jeremy Bloom jersey
Quote from: hbionic on March 05, 2008, 01:55:19 PM
I'm still in pre-rub mode until we get some kind of confirmation.
Must. Fight. The. Tension. :boom
truth be told the link sd posted is about as weak as you can get...its basically a reese like message board character saying he has a friend of a friend of a espn employees adopted second cousin who says mort will be reporting this
my little gooey fishies are rumbling just like yours because the birds are gonna trade lito for a wr so why not roy....oh and i also wanna put my fishies in roy williams butt
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: hbionic on March 05, 2008, 01:55:19 PM
I'm still in pre-rub mode until we get some kind of confirmation.
Must. Fight. The. Tension. :boom
truth be told the link sd posted is about as weak as you can get...its basically a reese like message board character saying he has a friend of a friend of a espn employees adopted second cousin who says mort will be reporting this
my little gooey fishies are rumbling just like yours because the birds are gonna trade lito for a wr so why not roy....oh and i also wanna put my fishies in roy williams butt
This is true. Only other thing getting my hopes up is Yardbarker broke the Fitz story and GCobbs guy Micah Warren the guy who broke the Samuel story reported the very same thing today.
Quote from: NGM on March 05, 2008, 01:44:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 05, 2008, 01:41:32 PM
where the farg did rjs go?
He got all huffy about the "downfall" of :CF and is trying to prove a point by not posting here anymore. He'll be back.
Her certainly is raising the quality of discussion over on the "American Idol" boards, so his return may be delayed.
whats the fitz story?
so this roy williams thing is on gcobbs site right now?
My pants are growing
Quotetruth be told the link sd posted is about as weak as you can get...its basically a reese like message board character saying he has a friend of a friend of a espn employees adopted second cousin who says mort will be reporting this
IGY Fonzarelli has to see concrete evidence and the words ESPN to be a believer of anything. There are no sources in IGY land. How the farg are you supposed to have any insight of a possible anything if "sources" dont give you info of a trade.
Your boy Micah did break the Asante story and Gargano was the first one this morning to say he talked to a SOURCE in Detriot that Roy Williams wants out and likes the Eagles. You want to know how to keep an idiot in suspense?
I tell you later
I tend to agree with IGY on this one. If you go to the yardbarker homepage, the link is under "EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!" Then if you look at the dude's profile, he just registered there today and thats his only post/upload.
Very weak sauce if you ask me.
farg Yardbarker and a random poster. You see those titles all the time
Micah Warren reports what Gcobb tells him to report. Then he tell him what to post on his website. I think Cobb has some nice credibility, so his sidekick has the same. So be it
Quote from: NGM on March 05, 2008, 02:29:18 PM
I tend to agree with IGY on this one. If you go to the yardbarker homepage, the link is under "EAGLES TO GET ROY WILLIAMS!" Then if you look at the dude's profile, he just registered there today and thats his only post/upload.
Very weak sauce if you ask me.
Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting too.
When I first read the story, it was like rubbing an intense one out to some hardcore internet porn, then having the screensaver my kid made saying "I Love You Daddy" pop up and ruin the moment.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 05, 2008, 02:36:51 PM
When I first read the story, it was like rubbing an intense one out to some hardcore internet porn, then having the screensaver my kid made saying "I love You Daddy" pop up and ruin the moment.
It all depends...is your kid into harcore porn?
i have no doubt they might one day trade for roy williams...
thats been a clear possibility for a while now....i just dont fully believe theres gonna be a espn mort report that comes out this afternoon detailing this trade
Yeah exactly.
Its not like being realistic and being hopeful are mutually exclusive.
from PhilaPhans:
QuoteCardinals and Fitzgerald's Agent End Contract Discussions...And do not plan on revisiting them again. This per Xtra Sports 910 in Phoenix.
I'm with IGY that I'd rather have Roy at this point. I like his speed, and he'd cost less than Fitzgerald at this point.
yeah Fitz is slow...... I see your point...and with the Eagles being broke and all I mean..
I want Fitz. First choice, hands down.
GET. IT. DONE.
I'd be ecstatic for both. I'm just saying I'd prefer Roy.... and slightly. Both are damn good WRs.
Who cares! At this point I'd take Michael farging Irving!
....uhh....did I just say what I think I said? :paranoid
Is that a cross between Michael Irvin and Julius Erving?
IN.
(edited because I'm apparently as dumb as bionic)
Not quite sure where the talk is about Roy Williams having more big play ability than Fitzgerald. Both Fitz and Williams have a career 1yd difference (3.3/4.3) in YAC's. with the edge to Roy.
Big play ability to me is the ability to catch first downs and move the chains, as well as TD's. If you want to compare the two career wise, Fitz has 60 more first downs and 6 more TD's than Williams. I love them both, but I think the big play thing is overinflated on Williams because of the 91 yder on the Eagles.
Fitz is better imo, but to each his own
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 05, 2008, 03:08:14 PM
Is that a cross between Michael Irvin and Julius Irving?
IN.
If he can be a consistent #1, then yes. Please.
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 03:03:39 PM
yeah Fitz is slow...... I see your point...and with the Eagles being broke and all I mean..
he actually is pretty slow for a wr...but makes up for it with fantastic hands and excellent size...and he is owed 17 million dollars this year!!...meaning the starting point for a re-negotiation would begin at 17 mil vs other players like a roy who isnt guaranteed anywhere close to 17 million for the rest of his career
other than all that tho youre as usual right on point
Quote from: hbionic on March 05, 2008, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 05, 2008, 02:36:51 PM
When I first read the story, it was like rubbing an intense one out to some hardcore internet porn, then having the screensaver my kid made saying "I love You Daddy" pop up and ruin the moment.
It all depends...is your kid into harcore porn?
It would be like you masturbating to a picture series of a hot latino girl stripping, when you get to the last few pics and she lets her penis go from it's tucked position, thereby shocking you because it's not as long as you thought it would be.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 05, 2008, 03:08:14 PM
Is that a cross between Michael Irvin and Julius Irving?
IN.
We should approach them about cross breeding a super-human.
They both have bastich children so...
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 05, 2008, 03:12:11 PM
It would be like you masturbating to a picture series of a hot latino girl stripping, when you get to the last few pics and she lets her penis go from it's tucked position, thereby shocking you because it's not as long as you thought it would be.
Yeah, but was it thick though?
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
Big play ability to me is the ability to catch first downs and move the chains, as well as TD's.
So you're saying that first downs and touchdowns are big plays? Thanks for that.
ok, seriously...enough.
Keep it on topic here. Take the jerking off crap back to the EMB.
Quote from: hbionic on March 05, 2008, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 05, 2008, 03:12:11 PM
It would be like you masturbating to a picture series of a hot latino girl stripping, when you get to the last few pics and she lets her penis go from it's tucked position, thereby shocking you because it's not as long as you thought it would be.
Yeah, but was it thick though?
Yes, uncut and like a Coke can, giving it the appearance of the end of a baseball bat with a tan gnome hat on it.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 05, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
Big play ability to me is the ability to catch first downs and move the chains, as well as TD's.
So you're saying that first downs and touchdowns are big plays? Thanks for that.
IGY and Cole were saying that Williams has more big play ability because of YAC's. What part didnt you get in my comparison, or are you just hoppin on to hop on
yes ma'am!
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 05, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
Big play ability to me is the ability to catch first downs and move the chains, as well as TD's.
So you're saying that first downs and touchdowns are big plays? Thanks for that.
IGY and Cole were saying that Williams has more big play ability because of YAC's. What part didnt you get in my comparison, or are you just hoppin on to hop on
I did not read your comparison.
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 05, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
Big play ability to me is the ability to catch first downs and move the chains, as well as TD's.
So you're saying that first downs and touchdowns are big plays? Thanks for that.
IGY and Cole were saying that Williams has more big play ability because of YAC's. What part didnt you get in my comparison, or are you just hoppin on to hop on
both players can get first downs...fitzgerald gets more because his game is more possesion vs big play...where as roy is used to stretch the field...and more low % throws...the good example is that roy has four plays in his career of 50 plus yards vs fitz one
fitz is a 100 catch guy roy is a guy that can go 100 yards...i prefer the field stretcher as the eagles have enough guys that can catch first downs...not to mention they spread the ball around in the offense so i think a guy who can make the huge play if more what they need than a guy who you would throw to every down
in the end is six of one half dozen the other and is not out of line to think fitz is a better wr....just as its not crazy to think roy is better....but most importantly who would be better for the offense
Which one would be better at catching McNabb's special wormburners?
Excuse me but what good is a receiver capable of getting 100 catches if the only guy on the Eagles who will get near that is Westbrook?
Besides, they already have two receivers who are possession-type guys.
Put Williams, Curtis & Brown on the same field with Westbrook and the Eagles are pretty much unstoppable. Not that they wouldn't be unstoppable with Fitzgerald but really his skills would probably go to waste with the Eagles anyway.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 05, 2008, 03:29:47 PM
Which one would be better at catching McNabb's special wormburners?
Funny how that wasn't a problem when TO was here?
Get TO?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 05, 2008, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 05, 2008, 03:29:47 PM
Which one would be better at catching McNabb's special wormburners?
Funny how that wasn't a problem when TO was here?
Yeah, TO was realy skilled at scooping those babies up.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 05, 2008, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 05, 2008, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 05, 2008, 03:29:47 PM
Which one would be better at catching McNabb's special wormburners?
Funny how that wasn't a problem when TO was here?
Yeah, TO was realy skilled at scooping those babies up.
lol
QuoteExcuse me but what good is a receiver capable of getting 100 catches if the only guy on the Eagles who will get near that is Westbrook?
Besides, they already have two receivers who are possession-type guys.
Put Williams, Curtis & Brown on the same field with Westbrook and the Eagles are pretty much unstoppable. Not that they wouldn't be unstoppable with Fitzgerald but really his skills would probably go to waste with the Eagles anyway.
No top WR's skills are a waste because of a RB's roll in the offense..ever...and Fitz being primarily a possession receiver is borderline retarded. He is an all-around stud
Just because Fitz can catch 100 balls means his skills are wasted based on Westbrook? Wtf
tell the truth reese that was you on wip
Your reading comprehension skills are impressive, reese. I must say.
and your football comprehension is not. I must say
WHAT THE farg. I get all excited on page 75 or whatever and I get to this page and still no news.
farg you guys.
Quote from: Munson on March 05, 2008, 03:57:58 PM
WHAT THE farg. I get all excited on page 75 or whatever and I get to this page and still no news.
farg you guys.
This.
Fitzgerald's talents will go to waste in Philly, you incomprehensible moron, because Westbrook will always be the #1 weapon. WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Williams, on the other hand, would be a good complementary piece for the receiver corps because he'd still be effective catching 70-80 balls while still allowing Westbrook to be the featured offensive threat.
Again, Fitzgerald wouldn't be as effective in Philly as he is in AZ because the offensive system wouldn't be built around the wideouts they way they are there.
we bitch about the things we don't have....
let's concentrate all energies into making roy or fitz happen...farg all of this bickering shtein.....they may farging get hurt in the offseason and we'll all be farged.....
...start praying!
...and we pray! :evil
Quote from: Rome on March 05, 2008, 04:01:03 PM
Fitzgerald's talents will go to waste in Philly, you incomprehensible moron, because Westbrook will always be the #1 weapon. WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Williams, on the other hand, would be a good complementary piece for the receiver corps because he'd still be effective catching 70-80 balls while still allowing Westbrook to be the featured offensive threat.
Again, Fitzgerald wouldn't be as effective in Philly as he is in AZ because the offensive system wouldn't be built around the wideouts they way they are there.
Rome..sorry brother..you farged up.
So when the Eagles went to the Superbowl and Owens had 77 rec and Westbrook had 73, the offense was focused on who? There is not one person on the earth that thinks just because Fitz can catch 100 balls he automatically becomes the focal point..only you..congrats.
I only hope that the Eagles FO is having the same discussion, as it would mean either is there for the taking.
Don't respond, don't respond, don't respond...
Quote from: Rome on March 05, 2008, 04:30:31 PM
Don't respond, don't respond, don't respond...
ha
pretty much
Quote from: Rome on March 05, 2008, 04:30:31 PM
Don't respond, don't respond, don't respond...
seriously please dont...because that argument you just posted about Fitz was painful
The idiot thinks I'm saying that Fitzgerald wouldn't be a great addition. He would. With apologies to PG, I'd stroke it raw if Fitz ended up with the Eagles.
I just think that the way the Eagles have the offensive structured, Williams would be a better option overall.
Back- pedaling is cool Rome. No worries. Just be careful what you say around here. Things get taken literally here sometimes.
I do expect more from you though...being that your 52 years old and all.
Quote from: Rome on March 05, 2008, 03:30:35 PM
Not that they wouldn't be unstoppable with Fitzgerald
Nothing says backtracking like saying they'd be great with him initially and then re-stating it over and over.
Quit it ladies. It's tiresome.
reese really is turning into the worst poster on this board
"i do expect more out of you"
haha, who talks like that?
Your mom?
Oh well. At least we all can agree that we'd all take Roy, Fitzgerald or Chad in a second.
and love it too.
Get one of the three. I really don't care who at this point, or what we give up.
not sure if this was posted yet but john claytons eagles write up in his FA winners and losers column:
Philadelphia Eagles: It's hard to go wrong when you pay for quality. The Eagles wasted no time signing Pro Bowl cornerback Asante Samuel to join an already talented secondary. Samuel is a playmaker. The Eagles intercepted only 11 passes last season. Samuel had six alone and has the potential to get double-digit picks in any season. The signing that put the Eagles over the top, however, was getting little-known pass-rusher Chris Clemons out of Oakland. Clemons, who had eight sacks last season, is ready to make a name for himself.
Quote from: SunMo on March 05, 2008, 05:07:21 PM
reese really is turning into the worst poster on this board
"i do expect more out of you"
haha, who talks like that?
Ill take sarcasm for $100 Alex
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 05:12:40 PM
not sure if this was posted yet but john claytons eagles write up in his FA winners and losers column:
Philadelphia Eagles: It's hard to go wrong when you pay for quality. The Eagles wasted no time signing Pro Bowl cornerback Asante Samuel to join an already talented secondary. Samuel is a playmaker. The Eagles intercepted only 11 passes last season. Samuel had six alone and has the potential to get double-digit picks in any season. The signing that put the Eagles over the top, however, was getting little-known pass-rusher Chris Clemons out of Oakland. Clemons, who had eight sacks last season, is ready to make a name for himself.
Holy shtein! Cool. Thanks IGY.
Football outsiders:
QuotePhiladelphia Eagles
CB Asante Samuel (Six years, $57 million, $32 million in the first three years)
DE Chris Clemons (Six years, financial terms unavailable)
Mike Tanier: As an Eagles fan, I am thrilled about Asante. I like the idea of moving Sheldon Brown to safety better than I like the idea of flipping Lito Sheppard for a draft pick or a player. Clemons is a nice little pickup for the pass rush package. If this is a push to get back into contention in a short window (sure looks like that), then I want to see more, more, more. If not a big-name receiver, then how about some special teams professionals to make that unit a strength again?
Bill Barnwell: The Eagles bringing in Chris Clemons is a nice depth move, like Tanier said. They need to bring in an end or two and they'll spot him properly so that he gets to try and run around Flozell Adams and Chris Samuels when Trent Cole is being double-teamed on third downs next year.
Bill Moore: Mike, I've watched Samuel since his rookie year. Be prepared, because he needs safety support. He is a gambler. Frankly, his interceptions have clouded the fact that he is NOT a shutdown corner. He is a route jumper. He showed a lot of potential in his second year, but really regressed in his third season (a season that I thought he would break out). When the season was over, I tried to figure out why he struggled. I concluded that it was weak safety help. Both Rodney Harrison and Eugene Wilson (back when Wilson was actually a stud safety) were out a significant portion of the year.
Mike Tanier: The Eagles could use a good gambler, and he's a great gambler. I really liked what I saw of him the past two years.
Bill Moore: Yes, don't get me wrong, he is good –- just not as good as he thinks he is. Brian Dawkins can be his Rodney Harrison, but with better coverage skills.
Mike Tanier: Dawkins has one foot in retirement. If Sheldon moves to free safety, Dawkins slides into a nickel linebacker type role.
Nothing new, but whatevs.
Also, a talking dog told me we signed Fitzgerald and David boston! Outta Left!
A) Talking dogs can not be trusted. If you see it again, kick it.
2) I was hoping to hop aboard the Chad Johnson bandwagon. Is it still rolling at all?
C) I'm pretty sure every Philadelphia Eagle fan in the universe, except Jeebus, would happily welcome either Fitzgerald or Williams to the team.
Well, except me, of course, because I think Fitzgerald sucks. SUCKS, I SAY!
Quote from: Rome on March 05, 2008, 06:38:12 PM
Well, except me, of course, because I think Fitzgerald sucks. SUCKS, I SAY!
You must be Greg Louganis with all the flipping!
DGunn's interview with Banner is coming up on CSN at 10:30 if you want to get angry
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 05, 2008, 09:59:32 PM
DGunn's interview with Banner is coming up on CSN at 10:30 if you want to get angry
Please post highlights when it's over./..
Quote from: Father Demon on March 05, 2008, 10:03:56 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 05, 2008, 09:59:32 PM
DGunn's interview with Banner is coming up on CSN at 10:30 if you want to get angry
Please post highlights when it's over./..
Just to reinforce what I know....there is usually nothing of substance to be expected from these interviews, right?
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 05, 2008, 09:59:32 PM
DGunn's interview with Banner is coming up on CSN at 10:30 if you want to get angry
Im in the mood to kick my dog, so Im in
A couple of video clips:
team needs and Samuel (http://"http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/030408-banner1.wmv")
Lito's future (http://"http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/030408-banner2.wmv")
Moss and the WR situation (http://"http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/030408-banner3.wmv")
Some of the main points:
-- no discussion of limiting Reid to either coach or GM because he's good at both
-- won't discuss Westbrook's unhappiness/contract publicly but says they want to keep their "special players" happy
-- they'll draft their highest-rated player again and would rather draft a good/great player at a position that isn't a need than a questionable player at a position of need
-- improving special teams isn't about simply getting a return guy. They'll look for one but there also needs to be better blocking, better field position, etc.
-- won't go after any of the remaining free agent WRs because they're no better than what they already have
-- denies the Lito+2nd rumor but couldn't say it with a straight face
-- no team has 22 Pro Bowlers, so you pick and choose the important areas to focus on, and they'll always look to improve a position if someone becomes available
-- when asked about draft picks and other young players not getting more playing time, says it's because there's guys ahead of them that are better. When the Giants were mentioned, he says the young guys played because they had a lot of holes to fill.
No D.J. Hackett then?!? What the hell! DAMMIT! HOLY farg shtein BALLS shtein!
Translation:
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 05, 2008, 11:09:33 PM
Some of the main points:
-- no discussion of limiting Reid to either coach or GM because he's good at both
Getting into the playoffs is our goal, if we do better than that yay for us.
Quote-- won't discuss Westbrook's unhappiness/contract publicly but says they want to keep their "special players" happy
We like Brian and all, but running backs just don't last long enough to warrant an extension.
Quote-- they'll draft their highest-rated player again and would rather draft a good/great player at a position that isn't a need than a questionable player at a position of need
Drafting Linemen and late round linebacker projects.
Quote-- improving special teams isn't about simply getting a return guy. They'll look for one but there also needs to be better blocking, better field position, etc.
See above linebacker projects.
Quote-- won't go after any of the remaining free agent WRs because they're no better than what they already have
We want to trade for a WR so we can pay the ass-end of the contract they are unhappy with then let them walk.
Quote-- denies the Lito+2nd rumor but couldn't say it with a straight face
Lito whined about his contract. He's outta here.
Quote-- no team has 22 Pro Bowlers, so you pick and choose the important areas to focus on, and they'll always look to improve a position if someone becomes available
Linemen and linebacker projects.
Quote-- when asked about draft picks and other young players not getting more playing time, says it's because there's guys ahead of them that are better. When the Giants were mentioned, he says the young guys played because they had a lot of holes to fill.
Our linemen and linebacker projects suck.
See how easy that was?
you missed the most obvious translation of all....
-- improving special teams isn't about simply getting a return guy. They'll look for one but there also needs to be better blocking, better field position, etc. = reno mahe is a very good return man who led the nfl in PR yards one year so get used to having him around
I'm still holding out hope for DeSean Jackson.
But it's looking like they're going to have to go Offensive Tackle in the first round.
Thats all Wolfman is talking about. Im fine with Jake Long if he falls, but i dont want them stretching to get one.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 08:06:27 AM
I'm still holding out hope for DeSean Jackson.
But it's looking like they're going to have to go Offensive Tackle in the first round.
I would be happy with either. I'd prefer Jackson just because they need playmakers, it doesn't really matter what side of the ball though.
The only way Jake Long falls to 19 is if pictures of him with his dick in a girl scout surface between now and draft day.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 06, 2008, 08:32:58 AM
Thats all Wolfman is talking about. Im fine with Jake Long if he falls, but i dont want them stretching to get one.
What about Darren McFadden? Would you be OK if he fell to the Eagles?
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 06, 2008, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 06, 2008, 08:32:58 AM
Thats all Wolfman is talking about. Im fine with Jake Long if he falls, but i dont want them stretching to get one.
What about Darren McFadden? Would you be OK if he fell to the Eagles?
Maybe, he's so fragile lol
So who is this Jeff Otah? I've never heard shtein about him until now?
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 08:38:28 AM
The only way Jake Long falls to 19 is if pictures of him with his dick in a girl scout surface between now and draft day.
This guy is a local (New Castle, DE) product and is projected in the middle of the 1st:
Jeff Otah (http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/otah_jeff00.html)
If the Eagles draft an offensive lineman in the first round I'm going to throw a hammer through my television.
Right, cuz it'd be idiotic to draft an OT when the Eagles have two starting tackles as old as you are. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooold!
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 09:09:18 AM
If the Eagles draft an offensive lineman in the first round I'm going to throw a hammer through my television.
I found about 50 of them scavanging this morning. Let me know if you need on and I'll send it to you.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 08:38:28 AM
The only way Jake Long falls to 19 is if pictures of him with his dick in a girl scout surface between now and draft day.
This guy is a local (New Castle, DE) product and is projected in the middle of the 1st:
Jeff Otah (http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/otah_jeff00.html)
no shtein, didnt realize he went to william penn
reid will confuse otah with utah think dook is a mormon and trade up to get him
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 06, 2008, 09:11:46 AM
Right, cuz it'd be idiotic to draft an OT when the Eagles have two starting tackles as old as you are. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooold!
No, it would be infuriating because they don't need one THIS YEAR. They have bigger needs THIS YEAR than a developmental offensive tackle.
PS: Please fight me.
Are there rumblings that either Thomas or Runyon could retire before the start of camp?
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 09:35:31 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 06, 2008, 09:11:46 AM
Right, cuz it'd be idiotic to draft an OT when the Eagles have two starting tackles as old as you are. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooold!
No, it would be infuriating because they don't need one THIS YEAR. They have bigger needs THIS YEAR than a developmental offensive tackle.
PS: Please fight me.
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Wingspan on March 06, 2008, 09:38:30 AM
Are there rumblings that either Thomas or Runyon could retire before the start of camp?
No. And after all of these years, did you know that its RunyAn?
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 06, 2008, 09:39:48 AM
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold!!!!
I'm in UR lifez datin' UR mOmZ.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 09:17:07 AM
reid will confuse otah with utah think dook is a mormon and trade up to get him
Ha.
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 09:42:46 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 06, 2008, 09:39:48 AM
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold!!
I'm in UR lifez datin' UR mOmZ.
Feva's mom is probably too young for you.
(http://blogs.sltrib.com/tv/uploaded_images/hammerTV-731739.gif)
Methuzula
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2008, 09:39:54 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 06, 2008, 09:38:30 AM
Are there rumblings that either Thomas or Runyon could retire before the start of camp?
No. And after all of these years, did you know that its RunyAn?
I um pretty sure there were rumors flouting uround buck ut the end of the seuson thut one, if not both could chose to retire before this seuson sturts.
i would be pissed off with taking a tackle because they just traded up to get justice two years ago...i could maybe see tackle this year if they didnt already have one in the systemm...he should filling one of the spots...if they take a tackle this year then they are basically admitting they farged up that pick...even if justice can play and this years pick is a tackle do you really want two first time starters beginning next year (possibly with a first time starting qb)
start justice next year and if you have to sign a veteran FA next offseason for the other spot...i also dont discount ruynon playing next year....that way like romey said you can make a pick this year to address an immediate need
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 09:55:25 AM
i would be pissed off with taking a tackle because they just traded up to get justice two years ago...i could maybe see tackle this year if they didnt already have one in the systemm...he should filling one of the spots...if they take a tackle this year then they are basically admitting they farged up that pick...even if justice can play and this years pick is a tackle do you really want two first time starters beginning next year (possibly with a first time starting qb)
start justice next year and if you have to sign a veteran FA next offseason for the other spot...i also dont discount ruynon playing next year....that way like romey said you can make a pick this year to address an immediate need
Justice has shown absolutely nothing that makes me think he can be a starting tackle in the league. Wasn't there a GCobb article quoting an unnamed eagle stating that Justice "isn't a player"? Maybe the light comes on for him this year. I'd prefer if Runyan keeps playing at this high level and comes back for another few years.
ranyun has a few good years left in him.
i'm cool with them taking a tackle in the first if they don't think anyone else would make an immediate impact. wait, do any eagles rookies make an immediate impact?
i guess it all depends on what they think about justice and whether or not they're considering moving herremans back out to tackle once tra or runyan call it quits.
I'd like to see them extend Willie T and Runyan, they're a little long in the tooth but since when do OTs slow down to the point of being ineffective. Its not like they're relying on their athletisism, it's more about technique and strength.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 06, 2008, 10:07:11 AM
ranyun has a few good years left in him.
I think it's spelled "Runyon", dude.
Quote from: hunt on March 06, 2008, 10:11:07 AM
wait, do any eagles rookies make an immediate impact?
they straight up cut three guys last year before the season started....not practice squad....but outright cut...thats almost unheard of to happen in your draft year...makes it worse that a division rival had like six rookies contribute on a super bowl team
It's not that unheard of. The patriots only kept 2 draft picks of 9 from last year
It was a very thin draft. especially in the secondary.
on howard yesterday, andy was pimping that college FA has the highest % of success rate after first round pick in the league
Quote from: SunMo on March 06, 2008, 11:11:17 AM
on howard yesterday, andy was pimping that college FA has the highest % of success rate after first round pick in the league
if theres about 9000 college players and only a couple hundred get drafted who do you think will make it more...i wonder what the numbers are on pro bowls all pro teams...superbowl starters ect...
Quote from: Wingspan on March 06, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
It's not that unheard of. The patriots only kept 2 draft picks of 9 from last year
It was a very thin draft. especially in the secondary.
no it was only three of them before the season started....and i said its
almost unheard of...plus the patriots are a superbowl team they can afford to take chances and cut people...eagles also only had 8 picks and cut three before game one
Drafting the best player available (according to them) regardless of position gets this team in the sort of jams that they fell into last year. They actually thought that the talent level up and down the roster was so good they didn't need a first round draft choice. Their 8-8 record proved just how disastrously wrong that philosophy was.
I just listened to Eskin's interview with Reid and came away convinced that the same bullshtein they've pulled over the past seven or eight years will repeat itself again.
"We have receivers good enough to win with." No, you don't.
"Games are won and lost in the trenches." Yes, they are. Trouble is your talent evaluators take guys who either can't play or aren't nearly as good as you think they are.
On and on it goes with them. Donovan pleads for playmakers on offense and Westbrook echoes those sentiments. When your two most dangerous weapons are pleading for you to add more, what's left to do but to listen? I know, let's add more offensive linemen! That will make those "good enough" receivers into champions!
Kill me. Just farging kill me.
how about andy saying "theres a certain team out there that went out and got a lot of wr's that didnt help them win a superbowl"
Well, he is right about that.
farged up logic and all, but he is right.
yeah, i loved that...he said, "let's put this to rest right now..."
ha
Other than listening to Howard verbally fellate Andy for 45 minutes, that was the worst part of the interview.
And of course Howard failed to bring up the fact that the Giants, did, in fact, win the Super Bowl with a free agent wide receiver even if the Patriots didn't. It might have taken a couple of years but without Plaxico on that team, they don't make the playoffs much less win the Super Bowl.
BTW: Is there anyone here who would gladly have taken the Eagles going 18-1 this past season instead of 8-8? Just spitballing here but I think the answer might be uh-huh.
if howard had any integrity, he would've brought up that the Giants have real "fastballs" in their front 7
Quote from: Father Demon on March 06, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
BTW: Is there anyone here who would gladly have taken the Eagles going 18-1 this past season instead of 8-8? Just spitballing here but I think the answer might be uh-huh.
thats the laughable part about it...why doesnt andy sign wr's to get to the superbowl then do whatever he wants in order to win it
its also ironic that randy moss caught what should have been the winning touchdown with two minutes left and the guy reid just signed dropped the interception that lost the superbowl
which brings up another point...why pay 50 million bucks to a corner if wr's dont win you anything
You guys are really stupid, and Reid would have been even more stupid that you had he actually said anything like, "We really need to get another offensive weapon," or "We're definitely going after a top-flight WR via trade."
He absolutely has to come out publicly and say that he's fine as is. Else, he loses all bargaining power he might have had with teams like Arizona and Detroit.
Relax. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Reid wouldn't have sweet-talking Randy farging Moss for hours if he wasn't serious about getting Donovan a major target and making a big run. Still, as much as he'd be an idiot for not doing that is akin to him announcing to Howard Eskin that he needs to get a WR.
"We think we have good receivers here."
Sure, that's why you begged Moss to come to Philly and offer him more than the Patriots did.
There were so many contradictions uttered in that interview it was impossible to keep up with them all. It really is infuriating listening to the streaming river of bullshtein that flows from him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 12:19:19 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on March 06, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
BTW: Is there anyone here who would gladly have taken the Eagles going 18-1 this past season instead of 8-8? Just spitballing here but I think the answer might be uh-huh.
thats the laughable part about it...why doesnt andy sign wr's to get to the superbowl then do whatever he wants in order to win it
its also ironic that randy moss caught what should have been the winning touchdown with two minutes left and the guy reid just signed dropped the interception that lost the superbowl
which brings up another point...why pay 50 million bucks to a corner if wr's dont win you anything
I didn't say that.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 12:23:24 PM
You guys are really stupid, and Reid would have been even more stupid that you had he actually said anything like, "We really need to get another offensive weapon," or "We're definitely going after a top-flight WR via trade."
He absolutely has to come out publicly and say that he's fine as is. Else, he loses all bargaining power he might have had with teams like Arizona and Detroit.
Relax. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Reid wouldn't have sweet-talking Randy farging Moss for hours if he wasn't serious about getting Donovan a major target and making a big run. Still, as much as he'd be an idiot for not doing that is akin to him announcing to Howard Eskin that he needs to get a WR.
Perfect.
that's why you don't listen to him and just watch what they do. they are obviously trying to get a wideout...so they may say they don't need one, but they know they do.
Some of you reading into this are ridiculous.
Rome, you're going to give yourself a farging heart attack. Quit it.
FF is dead on.
LOL at Demon. Don't act like you didn't channel that line into my brain.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2008, 12:25:35 PM
Some of you reading into this are ridiculous.
Rome, you're going to give yourself a farging heart attack. Quit it.
FF is dead on.
Maybe I'm giddy from the upcoming Patrick Swayze ghoulpool points, but this made me chuckle.
no one is reading to much into anything...ff is just stating the obvious...i dont why he even brought that up...we all know they bid for moss
the point is that the guy fargs with the fans and says unessecary shtein to piss people off...its uncalled for...then the next radio spot will be banner complaining that philly doesnt love andy and lurie enough and they dont understand why
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 12:23:24 PM
You guys are really stupid, and Reid would have been even more stupid that you had he actually said anything like, "We really need to get another offensive weapon," or "We're definitely going after a top-flight WR via trade."
He absolutely has to come out publicly and say that he's fine as is. Else, he loses all bargaining power he might have had with teams like Arizona and Detroit.
Relax. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Reid wouldn't have sweet-talking Randy farging Moss for hours if he wasn't serious about getting Donovan a major target and making a big run. Still, as much as he'd be an idiot for not doing that is akin to him announcing to Howard Eskin that he needs to get a WR.
I'm with this line of thinking. But considering what he's trotted out there at WR the past decade I can understand why fans would be pessimists
He's said the same farging thing EVERY SINGLE YEAR....even in 2004 he said it...a few days before we found out they were going after TO.
For the record, I like Brown and I like Curtis. I'd like them a hell of a lot more if they had a Williams or Fitzgerald or Moss to play alongside. And if the Eagles would simply get a guy like one of those three, I'd be less annoyed at listening to Reid's horseshtein platitudes too.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2008, 12:29:53 PM
He's said the same farging thing EVERY SINGLE YEAR....even in 2004 he said it...a few days before we found out they were going after TO.
then dont shill for 45 minutes with your eagle whore radio host from wip...stay home...dont say shtein you know will piss off fans...its not needed and when they do it makes you think its done on purpose to antagonize the fans that call up and ask for a wr 1000 times a day for the last 10 years
Favre's about ready to start bawling his eyes out in his retirement newsy.
:-D
You seriously think all this talk and posing is for the fans? You've said it twice....
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2008, 12:29:53 PM
He's said the same farging thing EVERY SINGLE YEAR....even in 2004 he said it...a few days before we found out they were going after TO.
then dont shill for 45 minutes with your eagle whore radio host from wip...stay home...dont say shtein you know will piss off fans...its not needed and when they do it makes you think its done on purpose to antagonize the fans that call up and ask for a wr 1000 times a day for the last 10 years
This is from the guy who was giving Banner credit for the same kind of posturing just to find a way to disagree with reese on something.
Only stupid people should be pissed off by this, but I agree that is basically Howard's listener base, so Andy had to know he'd ruffle some feathers. Considering the way fans have been calling for his head for some time now, it's the least he can do.
posturing in trying to raise the value of player you may trade is completely different than for no reason going on a local radio show to tell fans you dont need a wr 48 hrs after you tried to pay 30 million dollars for the best one in the league
then again im trying to explain this to someone who felt he had to tell people that what they say publically and privately might be different...thanks chief
if the FO antagonizing and playing around with the emotions of the fans doesnt bother you then just say that...it doesnt effect everyone...but trying to explain to people what reid says on wip and what he says in the novacare offices to tom heckert are different is laughable
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 01:24:46 PM
then again im trying to explain this to someone who felt he had to tell people that what they say publically and privately might be different...thanks chief
if the FO antagonizing and playing around with the emotions of the fans doesnt bother you then just say that...it doesnt effect everyone...but trying to explain to people what reid says on wip and what he says in the novacare offices to tom heckert are different is laughable
I think you have your honkballs confused. Link to where this was my conversation?
Let's get back on topic and start talking about beating off again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 01:24:46 PM
posturing in trying to raise the value of player you may trade is completely different than for no reason going on a local radio show to tell fans you dont need a wr 48 hrs after you tried to pay 30 million dollars for the best one in the league
How is posturing to raise the value of your player different from posturing to lower the value of a player you want to get?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 01:24:46 PM
if the FO antagonizing and playing around with the emotions of the fans doesnt bother you then just say that...it doesnt effect everyone...but trying to explain to people what reid says on wip and what he says in the novacare offices to tom heckert are different is laughable
Of course it doesn't bother me. It would only bother a simple-minded WIP-listening standard Philly fan idiot. Anyone with half a brain couldn't give two shteins what the FO says on the radio.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 01:42:49 PM
How is posturing to raise the value of your player different from posturing to lower the value of a player you want to get?
banner was saying that there were a bunch of teams making good offers for lito so that maybe another team would jump in and pay more or think they were gonna lose their chance to get him and make a move...there was no way to prove that this wasnt true...thus its posturing
reid was blatantly lying and everyone in the world knew it because he had just went after moss and was rumored to have inquired about fitzgerald and williams...reid wasnt posturing he was talking out of his ass to piss the fans off...
do you think we knew reid went for moss and nfl execs didnt?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 01:42:49 PM
Of course it doesn't bother me. It would only bother a simple-minded WIP-listening standard Philly fan idiot. Anyone with half a brain couldn't give two shteins what the FO says on the radio.
youre so out of touch with philly fans its incredible....it probably wont sink in but to someone living in north carolina and was seven when buddy ryan was around....but there was a reason buddy is universally loved and reid/banner are hated by so many
philly fans of all their teams but especially the eagles dont just care about wins and losses they wanna care about the people who operate and coach and play for their teams....so what the sports figures of the city say and do means a whole lot to many people...is it unhealthy?...probably...but look at scott rolen.....jd drew...eric lindros ect...
for you to dismiss the cities fans and say the only people that care about what reid did are wip idiots shows your utter lack of connection with the fans...
maybe you dont give a shtein...maybe you only do care about wins and losses and stats...and thats cool but dont be an ass and belittle other people who do care about more than that
Indignation
Gone
Y'ld
ha
If being "out of touch" means that I am smarter than the average dumbass Philly fan, I really don't mind it. There's a reason that a blowhard like Cataldi and a schill like Eskin are wildly popular in Philly. There's a reason why a coach that barely won a playoff game is more beloved than a coach that's clearly had the most success in franchise history. There's a reason Donovan McNabb was booed on draft day.
The reason? People like you are just stupid.
Do you want to win, or do you want to have more of an emotional connection in losing?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 06, 2008, 09:13:15 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 08:38:28 AM
The only way Jake Long falls to 19 is if pictures of him with his dick in a girl scout surface between now and draft day.
This guy is a local (New Castle, DE) product and is projected in the middle of the 1st:
Jeff Otah (http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/otah_jeff00.html)
no shtein, didnt realize he went to william penn
If I remember correctly, WP didn't even make it to the championship that year. I think Newark beat their ass in the first round. That Newark team also had a lot of guys go play D1 ball though so.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 02:02:44 PM
If being "out of touch" means that I am smarter than the average dumbass Philly fan, I really don't mind it. There's a reason that a blowhard like Cataldi and a schill like Eskin are wildly popular in Philly. There's a reason why a coach that barely won a playoff game is more beloved than a coach that's clearly had the most success in franchise history. There's a reason Donovan McNabb was booed on draft day.
The reason? People like you are just stupid.
Do you want to win, or do you want to have more of an emotional connection in losing?
Actually Buddy Ryan never won a playoff game. Other than that you are 100% on.
If I'm stupid for feeling angry about being patronized by a coach who hasn't won a farging thing since he got here almost 10 years ago, then so be it.
Reid yammering on about Eagles fans being the "best in the NFL" came off as phony as his concern for his family to me. Again, if that makes me stupid, I can live with it.
Being a fan of a team that hasn't won a championship in almost 50 years bespeaks a modest level of stupidity as it is anyway.
freddie has 30k posts....we need to acknowledge that and mock accordingly
Romey and IGY-It makes you stupid because you think Reid went on there with the intention to piss people like you off. You're far beyond borderline retarded if you think Reid sat there like "heh heh if I say this it'll REALLY piss all these people off heh heh."
Grow the farg up and stop crying already. Bunch of fargin Hoydas.
We all know the Eagles want a better WR. Lets keep hoping they get one and stop thinking that Reid and the big bad Eagles FO are out to get us and mock us and make our lives miserable.
LOL - whenever Munson thinks your stupid you know you should stick to your guns.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 06, 2008, 02:20:55 PM
Actually Buddy Ryan never won a playoff game. Other than that you are 100% on.
I try to pretend Rich Kotite never existed.
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:24:01 PM
Being a fan of a team that hasn't won a championship in almost 50 years bespeaks a modest level of stupidity as it is anyway.
You're assuming any of us have a choice on that.
Quote from: SunMo on March 06, 2008, 02:25:34 PM
freddie has 30k posts....we need to acknowledge that and mock accordingly
Should I go to the moderators and beg to have my post count reset, rjs-style?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 02:02:44 PM
If being "out of touch" means that I am smarter than the average dumbass Philly fan, I really don't mind it. There's a reason that a blowhard like Cataldi and a schill like Eskin are wildly popular in Philly. There's a reason why a coach that barely won a playoff game is more beloved than a coach that's clearly had the most success in franchise history. There's a reason Donovan McNabb was booed on draft day.
The reason? People like you are just stupid.
Do you want to win, or do you want to have more of an emotional connection in losing?
lol at the booing the draft reference...typical
again the fact that you think the only philly fans that care about who they root for are on wip is amazing to me...get off the wip is the devil bandwagon that you hear people on the net talk about...theres like seven million people in the metro area and a miniscule amount of them listen to wip...
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 02:02:44 PM
Do you want to win, or do you want to have more of an emotional connection in losing?
i like most fans want both....you know thats possible right?...actually you dont because you were barely alive the last time the city won...again youre clueless on this...until you either:
a. visit philly more than a handful of times a year or move there
and/or
b. acquire some knowledge that doesnt come from the internet
please stop speaking on such matters
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:30:36 PM
LOL - whenever Munson thinks your stupid you know you should stick to your guns.
Yeah, stick to your retarded OMG ANDY REID SAID THIS ON THE RADIO LET ME CRY ABOUT IT A LITTLE MORE.
Christ, enough already. There are a lot more things to worry about when it comes to the Eagles. Find something else to bitch about. Something that actually matters. Like the fact that they need to cough up more money to Westbrook ASAP. Edit-And the fact that they just cut their best and most experienced linebacker...God I hope this means they're making cap room for Fitz or Roy.
FF, you're not a true fan because you havn't been alive long enough and don't live in Philly. Obviously, you can't speak on any matters pertaining to Philly sports and their fans. Obviously.
The more you post the more convinced I am you're an escaped mental patient.
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:30:36 PM
LOL - whenever Munson thinks your stupid you know you should stick to your guns.
not really cause that would be acting like his feelings on anything other than mtv and inside internet jokes matter...hes as clueless and misinformed as it gets..granted a lot of it has to do with being young but thats no excuse to act ignorant....its a time to learn from people who know and he refuses to do that with anyone...so basically you just have to ignore him
Munson, thanks but no thanks for your support, buddy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 02:02:44 PM
Do you want to win, or do you want to have more of an emotional connection in losing?
i like most fans want both....you know thats possible right?...actually you dont because you were barely alive the last time the city won...again youre clueless on this...until you either:
a. visit philly more than a handful of times a year or move there
and/or
b. acquire some knowledge that doesnt come from the internet
please stop speaking on such matters
Both is possible, sure. Which one is more important to you, though?
I was in pre-school and you were copping your first feel the last time any Philly team won anything. If anything, I have a better argument because I can't even remember what it's like to root for a champion.
Maybe you should stop speaking on any matter, because you're clearly just all over the place with your hyperbolic drivel and taking it to a whole new level of stupidity.
Going out of your way to disagree with reese on Banner but back to your own standard anti-FO stuff with Reid basically shreds the last straw of credibility you ever had. Just because you have season tickets doesn't mean you know shtein about shtein.
Quote from: Munson on March 06, 2008, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:30:36 PM
LOL - whenever Munson thinks your stupid you know you should stick to your guns.
FF, you're not a true fan because you havn't been alive long enough and don't live in Philly. Obviously, you can't speak on any matters pertaining to Philly sports and their fans. Obviously.
you literally have never experienced ANYTHING outside the reid era....i think you were alive for rhodes but you certainly werent of the age where you would pay attention to anything other than your dad getting mad at the tv....
its not a diss its a fact...the diss is that youre a complete and utter tool bag for trying to speak like you know anything...i realize youre of the age where maybe you fingered your first girl last week in the park and now you like to puff your chest n shtein...but son know your spot and like i said absorb knowledge dont try to speak it...especially on shtein you werent alive for
and certainly dont tell other people how they should feel about their teams coaches players ect...no ones telling you
I was scoping out Feva's Mom the last time a Philly team won a championship.
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:39:04 PM
The more you post the more convinced I am you're an escaped mental patient.
The more you post, the more I am convinced you're a 45 year old with no life. Hold on...Andy Reid is doing something to intentionally piss me off. He has the time to do things like that, you know.
Igs, no one on this MB is more misinformed about the game of football then you. Well no that's a lie but you're down there pretty far buddy. Your completely asinine in all of your posts and it's actually fun to read, which is why people like FF keep responding to you. It's like you go fishing without actually trying, because you really think you're right. Keep posting. Just please stop whining about what Andy Reid said in a radio interview.
I live my life vicariously through you, munson.
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:46:30 PM
I live my life vicariously through you, munson.
phew!....i thought it was just me
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:45:19 PM
I was scoping out Feva's Mom the last time a Philly team won a championship.
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Dad? Is that you?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 06, 2008, 02:34:43 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:30:36 PM
LOL - whenever Munson thinks your stupid you know you should stick to your guns.
FF, you're not a true fan because you havn't been alive long enough and don't live in Philly. Obviously, you can't speak on any matters pertaining to Philly sports and their fans. Obviously.
you literally have never experienced ANYTHING outside the reid era....i think you were alive for rhodes but you certainly werent of the age where you would pay attention to anything other than your dad getting mad at the tv....
its not a diss its a fact...the diss is that youre a complete and utter tool bag for trying to speak like you know anything...i realize youre of the age where maybe you fingered your first girl last week in the park and now you like to puff your chest n shtein...but son know your spot and like i said absorb knowledge dont try to speak it...especially on shtein you werent alive for
Igs I was young when Buddy was here but I still remember the teams. My most clear memories are of Kotite though. I remember those disasters. And I remember when Reggie White left. I remember being very upset about it. And I remember listening to the interview on the radio about how god told him this and blah blah blah. And yes I remember Rhodes and Bobby Hoying and all that crap too. Ty Detmer, Rodney Peete, Koy Detmer...fun times.
Who cares what I was alive for? I'm not dumb enough to say things like "Reid said this shtein to intentionally piss people off." Get over it already. Bunch of cry babies.
Quote from: Rome on March 06, 2008, 02:46:30 PM
I live my life vicariously through you, munson.
As long as you start doing my school work for me.
I believe that Andy would do Eskin a favor and tweak the people listening to the show. How is Eskin going to get ratings if his fans aren't pissed off?
By throwing out more unfounded rumors for a bunch of dudes on an MB to talk about.
Quote from: Cerevant on March 06, 2008, 02:53:44 PM
I believe that Andy would do Eskin a favor and tweak his nipples while pumping his bunghole full of mormon juice
Naturally. What are friends for?
buddy left in 1990 munson....i know you are under drinking age...meaning you were two at best when he left...and maybe 10 when rhodes left...you didnt know football existed when buddy was around and probably liked it but didnt follow it in depth for ray...you got into this stuff in the last five years is my guess
http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nfl#1
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The Eagles came up short in their pursuit of Randy Moss and watched as Javon Walker signed Wednesday with Oakland.
Now, the search for a wide receiver will likely turn to the name most frequently mentioned as their primary target -- Arizona Cardinals wideout Larry Fitzgerald, who remains in contract negotiations with the club that drafted him.
Lions wideout Roy Williams, mercurial Bengals receiver Chad Johnson and Rams veteran Torry Holt are logical choices for the Eagles to pursue if they can't land Fitzgerald.
And based on reports coming out of Arizona, a new deal between the Cardinals and Fitzgerald is imminent.
Earlier this week, Fitzgerald told the East Valley (Ariz.) Tribune that progress has been made toward an extension and restructuring of his contract, which pays him $14.6 million in 2008 and $17.4 million in 2009, the final year of his contract.
Fitzgerald is even speaking like a Cardinal for the long term.
"In January, next year, when we're deep in the playoffs, this thing won't be an issue," he told the newspaper.
The sooner the deal is completed, the quicker the Eagles can move on to other pursuits.
One agent who does not represent Williams told The News Journal that Williams "is definitely on the [trading] block."
Williams, entering his fifth season, made the Pro Bowl in 2006 and had 838 yards and five touchdowns in a 14-game 2007 season. In 2006, he finished with 1,310 receiving yards and seven touchdowns.
But Lions coach Rod Marinelli told reporters at the NFL scouting combine last month that he didn't see Williams going anywhere.
"I'm very confident he's here," Marinelli said, according to MLive.com. "Very confident."
The Bengals have echoed similar sentiments about Johnson, who went public this off-season with his gripes about the franchise. Despite Johnson's eccentric behavior and harsh comments about the team, the Bengals have said that Johnson isn't being shopped around.
"No one within the Bengals organization has ever spoken of or ever uttered anything about trading Chad Johnson. Nor will he be traded," coach Marvin Lewis told the Cincinnati Enquirer in February.
As for Holt, the seven-time Pro Bowler has flown under the trade radar, but the Rams might find their rebuilding effort easier if they trade the 31-year-old star receiver.
Holt, signed for two more years, is slated to make $5.65 in base salary in 2008 and $6.65 next season, excluding bonuses. His agent, Greg Williams, said he called the Rams at the end of the season to discuss their plans for Holt but hadn't heard back.
"I didn't know if they would be rebuilding or looking to trade [Holt] or if he'd be there to play out his contract," Williams said. "I think if they were going to do something, they would let us know. From my understanding, they have every intention of bringing him back
."
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 02:56:53 PM
buddy left in 1990 munson....i know you are under drinking age...meaning you were two at best when he left...and maybe 10 when rhodes left...you didnt know football existed when buddy was around and probably liked it but didnt follow it in depth for ray...you got into this stuff in the last five years is my guess
Haha this is why people love when you post. You throw out shtein you know nothing about and it's very entertaining to argue with.
Like I said, I was young but I still remember. My earliest memories with my dad and his family all involve Eagles football. I still remember Cunningham, and I definitely remember that defense. I've been raised by extreme Eagles fans and I've watched every game I could. The only games I've missed have been due to playing in my own football games or work at a place I couldn't watch/listen. I followed football very in depth by the time Rhodes was around, I was 8-11 at the time. In fact thats when I really started getting into the draft more, reading the mags and Kipers book. I still remember Mamula being on the cover haha. Hell i've been posting on eagles message boards for 7 years now so I must have been into it a little bit longer then 5 years. Footballs been my whole life IGY, and it's sad that you assume so much about a person you know so little about.
But, again, that's what makes your posts so entertaining. Keep pretending you know all.
so...more of the same nothing. farg!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 02:56:53 PM
buddy left in 1990 munson....i know you are under drinking age...meaning you were two at best when he left...and maybe 10 when rhodes left...you didnt know football existed when buddy was around and probably liked it but didnt follow it in depth for ray...you got into this stuff in the last five years is my guess
his bio says 20, so he was born in 87 or 88, which means he wasn't in kindergarten yet when Buddy was fired in early 1991 and wasn't out of elementary school when Rhodes was fired, so I don't think the Kotite years were fresh on the mind either...
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 06, 2008, 03:02:36 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nfl#1
Quote
The Eagles came up short in their pursuit of Randy Moss and watched as Javon Walker signed Wednesday with Oakland.
Now, the search for a wide receiver will likely turn to the name most frequently mentioned as their primary target -- Arizona Cardinals wideout Larry Fitzgerald, who remains in contract negotiations with the club that drafted him.
Lions wideout Roy Williams, mercurial Bengals receiver Chad Johnson and Rams veteran Torry Holt are logical choices for the Eagles to pursue if they can't land Fitzgerald.
And based on reports coming out of Arizona, a new deal between the Cardinals and Fitzgerald is imminent.
Earlier this week, Fitzgerald told the East Valley (Ariz.) Tribune that progress has been made toward an extension and restructuring of his contract, which pays him $14.6 million in 2008 and $17.4 million in 2009, the final year of his contract.
Fitzgerald is even speaking like a Cardinal for the long term.
"In January, next year, when we're deep in the playoffs, this thing won't be an issue," he told the newspaper.
The sooner the deal is completed, the quicker the Eagles can move on to other pursuits.
One agent who does not represent Williams told The News Journal that Williams "is definitely on the [trading] block."
Williams, entering his fifth season, made the Pro Bowl in 2006 and had 838 yards and five touchdowns in a 14-game 2007 season. In 2006, he finished with 1,310 receiving yards and seven touchdowns.
But Lions coach Rod Marinelli told reporters at the NFL scouting combine last month that he didn't see Williams going anywhere.
"I'm very confident he's here," Marinelli said, according to MLive.com. "Very confident."
The Bengals have echoed similar sentiments about Johnson, who went public this off-season with his gripes about the franchise. Despite Johnson's eccentric behavior and harsh comments about the team, the Bengals have said that Johnson isn't being shopped around.
"No one within the Bengals organization has ever spoken of or ever uttered anything about trading Chad Johnson. Nor will he be traded," coach Marvin Lewis told the Cincinnati Enquirer in February.
As for Holt, the seven-time Pro Bowler has flown under the trade radar, but the Rams might find their rebuilding effort easier if they trade the 31-year-old star receiver.
Holt, signed for two more years, is slated to make $5.65 in base salary in 2008 and $6.65 next season, excluding bonuses. His agent, Greg Williams, said he called the Rams at the end of the season to discuss their plans for Holt but hadn't heard back.
"I didn't know if they would be rebuilding or looking to trade [Holt] or if he'd be there to play out his contract," Williams said. "I think if they were going to do something, they would let us know. From my understanding, they have every intention of bringing him back
."
Torry Holt? :drool
I'd take Fitz or Williams cause they're younger and have a lot more years left but Jesus. If Holt becomes a real possibility....
re: Fitz's "IMMINENT" deal:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=108030
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 06, 2008, 03:02:36 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nfl#1
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The Eagles came up short in their pursuit of Randy Moss and watched as Javon Walker signed Wednesday with Oakland.
Now, the search for a wide receiver will likely turn to the name most frequently mentioned as their primary target -- Arizona Cardinals wideout Larry Fitzgerald, who remains in contract negotiations with the club that drafted him.
Lions wideout Roy Williams, mercurial Bengals receiver Chad Johnson and Rams veteran Torry Holt are logical choices for the Eagles to pursue if they can't land Fitzgerald.
And based on reports coming out of Arizona, a new deal between the Cardinals and Fitzgerald is imminent.
Earlier this week, Fitzgerald told the East Valley (Ariz.) Tribune that progress has been made toward an extension and restructuring of his contract, which pays him $14.6 million in 2008 and $17.4 million in 2009, the final year of his contract.
Fitzgerald is even speaking like a Cardinal for the long term.
"In January, next year, when we're deep in the playoffs, this thing won't be an issue," he told the newspaper.
The sooner the deal is completed, the quicker the Eagles can move on to other pursuits.
One agent who does not represent Williams told The News Journal that Williams "is definitely on the [trading] block."
Williams, entering his fifth season, made the Pro Bowl in 2006 and had 838 yards and five touchdowns in a 14-game 2007 season. In 2006, he finished with 1,310 receiving yards and seven touchdowns.
But Lions coach Rod Marinelli told reporters at the NFL scouting combine last month that he didn't see Williams going anywhere.
"I'm very confident he's here," Marinelli said, according to MLive.com. "Very confident."
The Bengals have echoed similar sentiments about Johnson, who went public this off-season with his gripes about the franchise. Despite Johnson's eccentric behavior and harsh comments about the team, the Bengals have said that Johnson isn't being shopped around.
"No one within the Bengals organization has ever spoken of or ever uttered anything about trading Chad Johnson. Nor will he be traded," coach Marvin Lewis told the Cincinnati Enquirer in February.
As for Holt, the seven-time Pro Bowler has flown under the trade radar, but the Rams might find their rebuilding effort easier if they trade the 31-year-old star receiver.
Holt, signed for two more years, is slated to make $5.65 in base salary in 2008 and $6.65 next season, excluding bonuses. His agent, Greg Williams, said he called the Rams at the end of the season to discuss their plans for Holt but hadn't heard back.
"I didn't know if they would be rebuilding or looking to trade [Holt] or if he'd be there to play out his contract," Williams said. "I think if they were going to do something, they would let us know. From my understanding, they have every intention of bringing him back
."
I somehow feel like the Eagles are going to end up with Holt. Probably because he's the one I'd be least interested in getting of the bunch mentioned, as he's by far the oldest.
D.J. Hackett's still available, though!
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 06, 2008, 03:07:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 02:56:53 PM
buddy left in 1990 munson....i know you are under drinking age...meaning you were two at best when he left...and maybe 10 when rhodes left...you didnt know football existed when buddy was around and probably liked it but didnt follow it in depth for ray...you got into this stuff in the last five years is my guess
his bio says 20, so he was born in 87 or 88, which means he wasn't in kindergarten yet when Buddy was fired in early 1991 and wasn't out of elementary school when Rhodes was fired, so I don't think the Kotite years were fresh on the mind either...
87 Bigs. I was 3 when Buddy was fired. I still remember. I remember the teams/players morer then I remember Buddy himself though. I definitely remember Kotite..."The water got on the chart, made it hard to see the play...". Starting out, 7-2, or 6-2 or whatever it was and completely collapsing....yeah, i remember all that.
Of course your post is coming from a guy who thought I was 24 when I was 15 :-D
And is someone in Arizona really quoting the Delaware News Journal as a source for the "imminent" deal for Fitz? That makes a lot of sense.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2008, 03:08:57 PM
re: Fitz's "IMMINENT" deal:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=108030
I've heard recent reports of both the fact it's imminent and the fact it's absolutely not.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 03:09:12 PM
I somehow feel like the Eagles are going to end up with Holt. Probably because he's the one I'd be least interested in getting of the bunch mentioned, as he's by far the oldest.
D.J. Hackett's still available, though!
It sucks that he's 31 but he seems like the type of player that could play at a high level for at least another 3 years. He plays a lot like Marvin Harrison...doesn't let himself get hit too much, takes care of his body, etc.
Under no circumstances would I consider Torry Holt a WR that would make the impact that Fitz or WIlliams would make.
I also don't see it happening. I think if they DO get a WR via trade, it will be one that is not in the plus 30 age group.
So Munson, in his 20's, has an excuse for being a know it all. IGY, not so much.
As a FA I would definitely be excited about Holt, but the Eagles giving up something to get him doesn't do much for me.
Quote from: Munson on March 06, 2008, 03:16:59 PM
He plays a lot like Marvin Harrison...doesn't let himself get hit too much, takes care of his body, etc.
Harrison hit the wall. If Holt hits it around the same time, it will be very, very soon.
Both had a very large element of top-flight speed in their game. Neither are particularly big-bodied guys. So, once the speed goes and injuries start to plague, your career's basically done.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2008, 03:18:26 PM
Under no circumstances would I consider Torry Holt a WR that would make the impact that Fitz or WIlliams would make.
2nd.
Oh yeah I'd definitely much rather have Fitz or Roy, but the giants just proved that really ANY team can win the SB, and I'd love to see them make a run at it this year and the next. Holt could definitely help them do that.
But yes, I'd very much prefer Fitz or Williams.
And Harrison didn't really hit the wall hard until this past year, when he was...34? If Holt's the same way he's got 3 more years left in him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
again the fact that you think the only philly fans that care about who they root for are on wip is amazing to me...get off the wip is the devil bandwagon that you hear people on the net talk about...theres like seven million people in the metro area and a miniscule amount of them listen to wip...
Wait...I thought WIP was the pulse of the city?
You've said that to me many many times.
WIP is the pulse of the city. When it suits his argument.
Quote from: NGM on March 06, 2008, 03:20:32 PM
As a FA I would definitely be excited about Holt, but the Eagles giving up something to get him doesn't do much for me.
Yeah that is pretty much how I feel. What do they give up for him is the big question. I think a guy like this has any where from 2-4 good seasons left. That being said it wouldn't really be like the Eagles to bring in a guy of his age and give up much for him.
I'm all for whatever WR helps them make a run at the SB while McNabb is still here and playing well. Holt can definitely do that for the next 2-4 years, so...whatever. Get a #1 WR.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 06, 2008, 03:16:59 PM
He plays a lot like Marvin Harrison...doesn't let himself get hit too much, takes care of his body, etc.
Harrison hit the wall. If Holt hits it around the same time, it will be very, very soon.
Both had a very large element of top-flight speed in their game. Neither are particularly big-bodied guys. So, once the speed goes and injuries start to plague, your career's basically done.
more importantly they arent great athletes to begin with so the lost steps mean even more...when TO who is a 10 athlete slows down he goes to an 6-7-8 or whatever...when a holt or harrison slow down they go to a 3-4-5 and basically disappear in a very short amount of time...i think thats where holt almost is....maybe has one more year at a high level
I think he's got at least 2 or 3 more in him, he's 31, and Harrison didn't hit his wall until last year. And who knows how his numbers would have been had he avoided injury for another year.
Holt's numbers have been continually ridiculous and if he hasn't hit the wall at 31, I doubt 32 is going to be the golden age. The only number that has gone down really is his YPC, but that's becausue STL has been forced to use him as more of a possession guy with no one else to throw to.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 06, 2008, 03:16:59 PM
He plays a lot like Marvin Harrison...doesn't let himself get hit too much, takes care of his body, etc.
Harrison hit the wall. If Holt hits it around the same time, it will be very, very soon.
Both had a very large element of top-flight speed in their game. Neither are particularly big-bodied guys. So, once the speed goes and injuries start to plague, your career's basically done.
more importantly they arent great athletes to begin with so the lost steps mean even more...when TO who is a 10 athlete slows down he goes to an 6-7-8 or whatever...when a holt or harrison slow down they go to a 3-4-5 and basically disappear in a very short amount of time...i think thats where holt almost is....maybe has one more year at a high level
I'm not sure what your definition of "athlete" is, but both Harrison and Holt were fantastic athletes in their prime. It could be argued that TO is a better one because of his combination of strength, size, and speed, but damn... you might be the first person ever to say that Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt were never elite athletes.
Still, your point is essentially the same as mine in that Holt, just like Harrison, does not have the size to become a more physical stud as a possession receiver, so he won't age as well as TO or even someone like Muhsin Muhammed.
On the contrary, look at some of the WR's who have aged the best....Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Harrison, etc.....these are all the "smaller" guys who relied on speed in their primes more then power and strength...all played well into their 30s and all put up #1 WR numbers when healthy. We keep saying harrison "hit a wall" but really he was just hurt. He could come back healthy next year and go for 1200 and 10 TDs. Rice did it in 98, when he was 36.
Holt is a lot like those guys, and I think they'd be foolish to pass up on him if they can't land a Fitzgerald or Roy Williams.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 03:49:03 PM
I'm not sure what your definition of "athlete" is, but both Harrison and Holt were fantastic athletes in their prime.
disagree...they were great wr's who ran incredible routes in crazy pass happy offenses...neither would ever be confused with being overly athletic...
I'm not a fan of the Holt idea. Over the last couple years, Holt has been more of a catch-and-run-out-of-bounds WR than he was earlier in his career.
I would not like to see the Eagles spend much to get him.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 06, 2008, 04:00:41 PM
I would not like to see the Eagles spend much to get him.
this is what you have to be careful of...with ANY wr's in their 30's...but if youre gonna do it you do it for atheltic freaks like moss TO or ocho...not harrison or holt
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 06, 2008, 03:49:03 PM
I'm not sure what your definition of "athlete" is, but both Harrison and Holt were fantastic athletes in their prime.
disagree...they were great wr's who ran incredible routes in crazy pass happy offenses...neither would ever be confused with being overly athletic...
I would think an insane combination of speed and agility would qualify someone as an athlete, but you're entitled to be argumentative for no reason.
They don't pass the look test. Even though their type has historically aged better at the position...
well they had speed in terms of me or you...but they didnt have huge nfl speed much less insane amounts...and stop saying things that are wrong and i wont have to argue/correct you
i dont see how you cant see the differnce btwn a holt/harrison and a ocho/TO/moss...not in terms of a wr but an athlete
Being bigger/stronger doesn't make you a better athlete.
The fact that guys like Holt and Harrison put up the numbers that they do as small as they are should tell you something about their athletic abilities.
They're all extremely athletic guys, in different ways.
I do not want Lito and a pick being traded for Torry Holt.
period.
Kearse is back with the Titans
Where he'll play all 16 games and record 12 sacks.
I'm sick of ESPN airing these farging spring training games that mean shtein all the way through NFL live.
fargers.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2008, 04:22:09 PM
I do not want Lito and a pick being traded for Torry Holt.
period.
Cant really see Tory going anywhere just for the fact that the Rams would go into the season with Drew Bennett and Dane Hooker as their starting wideouts. Unless the Birds give away a receiver--which they will not, that trade rumor is bye bye
Also, if you looked on all the injury reports last year week in and week out, Holt was on there. He even came out publicly during the year and said he doesnt know if his knee will ever be the same again. Although an upgrade to any Eagles receiver now, he's not a guy you want to give big dollars to as his career "could be" taking a downward turn--yes, even at 31 Munson.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 06, 2008, 04:22:09 PM
I do not want Lito and a pick being traded for Torry Holt.
period.
Funny, because he was drafted to help stop Torry Holt.
that's not funny. more of a mundane detail.
So to summarize today;
WIP arguing
Fitz is close to a deal
Wait! Fitz isn't close to a deal
Roy Williams is or isn't on the trading block
SPikes is gone
The Eagles will draft an OT in the first, most likely a guy who they could have had at 19 but traded Lito and 19 to the Pats to get to 7 to take said OL.
(http://www.titansonline.com/plogger/images/2008_off-season/jevon_kearse_press_conference/kearse4.jpg)
From Kearse's press conference:
QuoteIt was like I was lost for a minute. I was away from home. This is my home, so I took a vacation or something. But my stay in Philly, it was different. I'll say, when I went there, they were a team that was on the verge of winning a Super Bowl and everything like that. So it was a win-win situation, although the scheme, the scheme was not for me. The scheme was not for me, just sitting wide-footed in the two-gap stance in front of the tight end doing a lot of reading, when I started off just moving, getting off the ball, going to the ball, being aggressive, going to the ball, not reading and then reacting. I'm used to just doing what I do. Then, when I was there, I wasn't able to do that because it was just part of the scheme.
.
.
.
They are fanatics up there. I can't put a finger on it. It is just different up there. I explained to everyone from playing in Tennessee, where the team moved here to Nashville, you can go out there and play your butts off and play a good game and lose and the fans will still be proud of you. We have next week. We have next year. We have tomorrow. Up there, you can play your butts off and do whatever, but if you lose the game, it is like you didn't do anything. It is like you went out there and everyone took a knee and let the team do whatever. The expectations up there are just crazy, whereas around here they are a little more lenient on you which is alright but then again you have to take it upon yourself as a player and give them what they want.
Bye
i agree with him about the scheming...i was furious at johnson those first two years how he used him...you paid out the ass for one of the best edge guys in the league then have him playing a joker position
lol @ the fan comments tho...those are awesome
Whatever makes you feel better, Kearse. :'(
Boo-fargin'-hoo. Did Kearse limp out of the room halfway through the PC and then come back two minutes later?
Yeah, because Titans fans don't give a shtein. How long have they HAD a team there?
They don't even understand fandom.
i dont even think he is dissing the eagles fans. just explaining the difference. if anything he dissed the titans fans.
about the scheme...don't know too much except i do know he was almost always hurt. whenever it seemed he was at least half way healthy he did show flashes but then it would go away right away.
I'm still pissed about him tearing his knee up in that Giants game. The line had the potential to have 2 guys with double digit sacks that year had he not gone down. He was already up to what, 5.5? farg.
I know a few Titans fans. Even though the team hasn't been around forever, the fans aren't as crappy as, say, Bucs fans. But it's clear that the primary allegiance down there is to the Volunteers. That's a problem with southern NFL teams in general.
Johnson did not use him right, so his comments are not shocking at all.
Everything else is standard athlete speak.
OMG! HE IS NOT THE UNDERSTANDING US!!111ONETWO!121
QuoteMORE THAN TWO YEARS LATER, VINDICATION
We made one of our biggest stirs ever with this blurb from the evening of January 9, 2006:
"A league source tells us that multiple members of the Cincinnati Bengals witnessed a troubling incident as the team prepared to take the field for the second half of Sunday's playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
"Per the source, the last few minutes of intermission were ticking away, when the players were startled by the sight and sound of a helmet slamming against the glass pane of the training room door. Inside, receiver Chad Johnson and receivers coach Hue Jackson were engaged in an altercation. At one point, Johnson was seen holding Jackson in a headlock.
"Coach Marvin Lewis entered the training room to intervene, and Johnson (per the source) took a swing at him."
The team denied any such incident, and Johnson called a press conference for the sole purpose of claiming that nothing happened. Boomer Esiason of CBS partially corroborated our report, and Johnson eventually would concede that something happened.
More than two years later, one of the players who witnessed the incident has shared his perceptions with the world, courtesy of the magic that is YouTube.
On Monday night, speaking at a recent meeting of the Central Maryland Browns Backers, former Bengals defensive tackle Shaun Smith acknowledged that Chad Johnson took a swing at Lewis -- and made contact.
Asked at the 5:20 mark of the clip about the incident that occurred in the team's locker room during the only playoff game of the Lewis era, Smith said of Johnson: "He swung on Marvin. . . . [Johnson] shattered the training room glass. . . . He swung on Marving [and] hit Marvin in the eye. . . . Then he tried to swing on wide receivers coach Hue Jackson, who's now in Baltimore."
Smith also said that Bengals receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh will soon get a new deal from the Bengals. Houshmandzadeh is signed through 2008, at a base salary of $2.65 million.
GET JOHNSON!
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 06, 2008, 11:00:48 PM
i dont even think he is dissing the eagles fans. just explaining the difference. if anything he dissed the titans fans.
i agree....i think he was just saying its a whole nother world up here....which it is....i took it as a compliment
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2008, 01:20:07 AM
GET JOHNSON!
yeah. i'd laugh if the eagles trade for him and he winds up punching andy in the vadge.
QuoteCards, Fitzgerald near crossroads
Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 7, 2008 12:00 AM
Larry Fitzgerald says he doesn't want to leave Arizona. The Cardinals say they don't want him to go.
That, however, is an awful small plot of common ground in negotiations between two sides that seem to agree on little else.
The restructuring of Fitzgerald's contract appears no closer to fruition than it was a month ago, and the rumblings of frustration are growing within the organization.
Without a contract agreement, a day of reckoning is coming for the Cardinals.
They are going to face the prospect of trading Fitzgerald or losing him a year from now, when they might have to cut him rather than pay his 2009 salary of $17.4 million.
So far, both sides are saying all the right things. The Cardinals insist Fitzgerald will play for them in 2008, even at a salary of $14.6 million. Fitzgerald's agent, Eugene Parker, said team officials have reassured him that Fitzgerald is going nowhere, even if a new deal isn't reached.
That hasn't prevented other teams from trying to trade for him. The Eagles have talked to the Cardinals about acquiring Fitzgerald, with cornerback Lito Sheppard and receiver Reggie Brown rumored to be part of the offer.
The Cardinals have little interest in either player, and they are not eager to part with Fitzgerald, who made two Pro Bowls in his first four seasons.
Sheppard also has been to the Pro Bowl twice, but there are questions about his durability and he's unhappy with his contract. The Cardinals aren't eager to trade for someone else's problem.
It's hard to tell what would pique the Cardinals' interest at this point. Their primary desire is to keep Fitzgerald for several more years, even though that would cost them dearly.
But they've known for years that they could face this situation. It's the price teams pay for picking high in the draft. Fitzgerald was the third overall pick in 2004, and he signed a deal laden with incentives that would pay him handsomely if he became an elite player.
Included in that rookie contract were clauses that would bump his 2008 salary by $10 million should he chosen for two Pro Bowls in his first four years, and by $11 million in 2009 for other achievements.
Those clauses were designed to get the two parties back to the bargaining table after four years. Now, Parker is seeking another four-year deal that would pay Fitzgerald between $25 million and $30 million in guarantees.
Parker's motive is to get Fitzgerald, 24, a third lucrative contract before the receiver turns 30.
The Cardinals would prefer six years at a similar level of guaranteed money, because they abhor the idea of going through all of this again in three or four years.
Fitzgerald holds most of the leverage in negotiations, although the Cardinals are trying to appeal to his professed desire to win.
If Fitzgerald is serious about that, team officials say he should accept a restructuring, creating additional cap space that would allow to team to attract free agents and to keep key players.
Parker won't address the Cardinals cap concerns directly, but Fitzgerald said in a recent radio interview that he doesn't think his present contract prevents the Cardinals from being active in free agency.
The impact of the Fitzgerald situation reverberates throughout the organization. It calls into question Fitzgerald's sincerity and commitment to winning, Rod Graves' acumen as a general manager and owner Bill Bidwill's willingness to write a check with a lot of numbers to the left of the decimal point.
The answers to at least some of those questions will come in the next few weeks.
Quote from: hunt on March 07, 2008, 08:39:32 AM
i'd laugh if the eagles trade for him and he winds up punching andy in the vadge.
hed have to flour the wet spot first
LOL at Kearse whining about the system.
That flag stole money from the Eagles for three years and he has the nerve to complain about the Eagles not using him properly?
farging stupid corksucking jocks.
Kent Somers wrote that just to piss me off.
That's all fine and good but they might not be "thrilled" with their prospects, but are there really a lot of other teams that have a Pro Bowl player where they need help, the picks to trade AND the ability to get Fitz under contract happily (ie...a good team, not a piece of shtein with no QB like the Beares).
Still sounds like a lot of BS to me. The writer doesn't know their trade stance and what they do/do not want as much as the Philly writers don't know shtein about the Eagles' inside workings and what they are actually doing.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 07, 2008, 08:41:52 AM
QuoteCards, Fitzgerald near crossroads
Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 7, 2008 12:00 AM
Larry Fitzgerald says he doesn't want to leave Arizona. The Cardinals say they don't want him to go.
That, however, is an awful small plot of common ground in negotiations between two sides that seem to agree on little else.
The restructuring of Fitzgerald's contract appears no closer to fruition than it was a month ago, and the rumblings of frustration are growing within the organization.
Without a contract agreement, a day of reckoning is coming for the Cardinals.
They are going to face the prospect of trading Fitzgerald or losing him a year from now, when they might have to cut him rather than pay his 2009 salary of $17.4 million.
So far, both sides are saying all the right things. The Cardinals insist Fitzgerald will play for them in 2008, even at a salary of $14.6 million. Fitzgerald's agent, Eugene Parker, said team officials have reassured him that Fitzgerald is going nowhere, even if a new deal isn't reached.
That hasn't prevented other teams from trying to trade for him. The Eagles have talked to the Cardinals about acquiring Fitzgerald, with cornerback Lito Sheppard and receiver Reggie Brown rumored to be part of the offer.
The Cardinals have little interest in either player, and they are not eager to part with Fitzgerald, who made two Pro Bowls in his first four seasons.
Sheppard also has been to the Pro Bowl twice, but there are questions about his durability and he's unhappy with his contract. The Cardinals aren't eager to trade for someone else's problem.
It's hard to tell what would pique the Cardinals' interest at this point. Their primary desire is to keep Fitzgerald for several more years, even though that would cost them dearly.
But they've known for years that they could face this situation. It's the price teams pay for picking high in the draft. Fitzgerald was the third overall pick in 2004, and he signed a deal laden with incentives that would pay him handsomely if he became an elite player.
Included in that rookie contract were clauses that would bump his 2008 salary by $10 million should he chosen for two Pro Bowls in his first four years, and by $11 million in 2009 for other achievements.
Those clauses were designed to get the two parties back to the bargaining table after four years. Now, Parker is seeking another four-year deal that would pay Fitzgerald between $25 million and $30 million in guarantees.
Parker's motive is to get Fitzgerald, 24, a third lucrative contract before the receiver turns 30.
The Cardinals would prefer six years at a similar level of guaranteed money, because they abhor the idea of going through all of this again in three or four years.
Fitzgerald holds most of the leverage in negotiations, although the Cardinals are trying to appeal to his professed desire to win.
If Fitzgerald is serious about that, team officials say he should accept a restructuring, creating additional cap space that would allow to team to attract free agents and to keep key players.
Parker won't address the Cardinals cap concerns directly, but Fitzgerald said in a recent radio interview that he doesn't think his present contract prevents the Cardinals from being active in free agency.
The impact of the Fitzgerald situation reverberates throughout the organization. It calls into question Fitzgerald's sincerity and commitment to winning, Rod Graves' acumen as a general manager and owner Bill Bidwill's willingness to write a check with a lot of numbers to the left of the decimal point.
The answers to at least some of those questions will come in the next few weeks.
Quote
Sheppard also has been to the Pro Bowl twice, but there are questions about his durability and he's unhappy with his contract. The Cardinals aren't eager to trade for someone else's problem.
There really isn't a question about his durability.
It's pretty certian that he is not durable. He's only played 1 16 game season. Which is why Samuel was signed to begin with.
LOL @ the birds trying to get Larry Fitzgerald by dangling Reggie Brown :-D
That's like trying to get my dog to do a trick by bribing her with a piece of her own poo.
There are much worse places Reggie can play than opposite Anquan Boldin.
I might be the only person here who doesn't want Reggie Brown going anywhere. I'd personally pack his bags and drive his ass to the airport if trading him got Fitz or Williams, but still, I think he's got talent and could be a very useful guy as a #2/3 receiver. He's just miscast as a #1, that's all.
Quote from: Rome on March 07, 2008, 09:32:23 AM
I might be the only person here who doesn't want Reggie Brown going anywhere. I'd personally pack his bags and drive his ass to the airport if trading him got Fitz or Williams, but still, I think he's got talent and could be a very useful guy as a #2/3 receiver. He's just miscast as a #1, that's all.
Kevin Curtis is the one miscast as the #1....Reggie already IS the #2. He'd be even more effective as a #3.
Yeah, I'd love for him to stick around too. I figured he could be pretty effective opposite Fitz/Roy with Curtis in the slot or some similar combination. He'd be part of what would make the WR corps so effective with a true #1 at the top.
I'd love for him to not be part of a package for a top WR... but if he has to be to get the deal done, oh well. Buh-bye, Reg...
The Eagles view Brown as the #1, PG, because they drafted him. You know how they are about their draft picks.
actually curtis is much better suited as a #3 Y guy in the slot with reggie the X and roy williams the Z
in that equation
X + Y x Z = SB
Math sucks.
don't forget Pi
i love Pi
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 09:49:28 AM
actually curtis is much better suited as a #3 Y guy in the slot with reggie the X and roy williams the Z
in that equation
X + Y x Z = SB
In 3-WR sets, absolutely. Curtis is much better in the slot than Reggie is.
But I still think you want Curtis on the field just as much or more than Reggie. He gets better separation and makes bigger plays.
That said, the Eagles don't really put only 2 wideouts on the field unless they're running the ball or putting L.J. or Westbrook in the slot.
if the eagles have a number 1 guy and you go two wr sets id rather have reggie brown as the split end everytime
curtis is made for the slot....if hes your starting flanker or split end youre not doing to well....where as if hes in your slot hes one of the best in the league at that position
i want a guy on the outside than can go up and get balls...reggie can do that curtis cant
Reggie is not that much bigger than Curtis, and despite his skin color, he's not a better athlete either. If you want a guy who can "go up and get" anything, neither are that guy.
Curtis would be a better compliment to a Larry Fitzgerald type #1, but Reggie might be a better one to a Roy Williams.
Either way, you're basically hating on Curtis because he's white. He's a much better player than Reggie Brown, in actuality.
you all forget the one handed catch white lightening made last year. he even left his feet and grabbed that ball. Emazing
Quote from: mussa on March 07, 2008, 10:21:54 AM
you all forget the one handed catch white lightening made last year. he even left his feet and grabbed that ball. Emazing
Are you talking about Wes Welker?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 07, 2008, 10:19:07 AM
Either way, you're basically hating on Curtis because he's white. He's a much better player than Reggie Brown, in actuality.
lol...defensive much?....im not hating on him at all...i said hed be maybe the best slot receiver in the whole farging league....wow the hate is flowing!!
and hes a better slot wr than reggie but not outside...however if you need your mormon hero to be a better player than so be it...i really dont care...neither of them are that good
Quote from: mussa on March 07, 2008, 10:21:54 AM
you all forget the one handed catch white lightening made last year. he even left his feet and grabbed that ball. Emazing
i pretty much have forgotten anything he did last year that didnt happen in the detroit game...did he do anything else?
he caught a slant against the Jets and housed it...HOUSED IT
Quote from: SunMo on March 07, 2008, 10:28:48 AM
he caught a slant against the Jets and housed it...HOUSED IT
lol
QuoteFITZGERALD BACKLASH BUILDING?
With the Cardinals and receiver Larry Fitzgerald unable to restructure a contract that pays him salaries of more than $14 million in 2008 and more than $17 million in 2009, there's an emerging question as to whether Fitzgerald really wants to work out a deal to help out the team.
Fitzgerald professes that he wants to stay with the team. But his refusal to give the team cap relief is creating the impression that he's saying the right things, but thinking (and doing) something different.
Writes Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic, the situation "calls into question Fitzgerald's sincerity and commitment to winning."
Somers also writes that Fitzgerald's agent, Eugene Parker, presently is pushing for a four-year deal that would pay Fitzgerald between $25 million and $30 million in guaranteed money.
Given that the Cardinals have created a situation in which Fitzgerald is due to make more than $31 million over the next two seasons, his willingness to take guaranteed money south of $30 million represents a significant concession, on the surface. But to tie that kind of money to a four-year contract creates a huge per-year load on the salary cap, making it not much different than a six-year deal with $37 million to $45 million in guaranteed money.
In this situation the true motives of the various parties will only be discerned by scrutinizing the details. Is this about Fitzgerald being fair, or is it about the player and his agent turning the screws on an organization that gambled and lost regarding the huge-money escalators that Fitzgerald's performance has triggered?
By asking for a four-year deal with that much money guaranteed, we're starting to think it's the latter.
There has been speculation and rumor about a trade that would send Fitzgerald to the Eagles. Though the Cardinals by all appearances have demanded too much in return for Fitzgerald, the team is in a real bind on this one.
To be sure, it's a mess that the team created. And whether Fitzgerald does anything aimed at genuinely helping the team get out of this situation will be proof positive on whether his image of being a team-first guy is real, or whether it's a bunch of self-serving Eddie Haskell bullcrap.
why would any player
especially in the nfl where contracts arent guaranteed
help the team out
when has a team ever went out of its way to help a player
they are steady
asking them to take paycuts
re negotiate their deals
releasing them
franchising them
ect
the whole system is skewed towards management...farg em
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 07, 2008, 10:51:23 AM
QuoteFITZGERALD BACKLASH BUILDING?
With the Cardinals and receiver Larry Fitzgerald unable to restructure a contract that pays him salaries of more than $14 million in 2008 and more than $17 million in 2009, there's an emerging question as to whether Fitzgerald really wants to work out a deal to help out the team.
Fitzgerald professes that he wants to stay with the team. But his refusal to give the team cap relief is creating the impression that he's saying the right things, but thinking (and doing) something different.
Writes Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic, the situation "calls into question Fitzgerald's sincerity and commitment to winning."
Somers also writes that Fitzgerald's agent, Eugene Parker, presently is pushing for a four-year deal that would pay Fitzgerald between $25 million and $30 million in guaranteed money.
Given that the Cardinals have created a situation in which Fitzgerald is due to make more than $31 million over the next two seasons, his willingness to take guaranteed money south of $30 million represents a significant concession, on the surface. But to tie that kind of money to a four-year contract creates a huge per-year load on the salary cap, making it not much different than a six-year deal with $37 million to $45 million in guaranteed money.
In this situation the true motives of the various parties will only be discerned by scrutinizing the details. Is this about Fitzgerald being fair, or is it about the player and his agent turning the screws on an organization that gambled and lost regarding the huge-money escalators that Fitzgerald's performance has triggered?
By asking for a four-year deal with that much money guaranteed, we're starting to think it's the latter.
There has been speculation and rumor about a trade that would send Fitzgerald to the Eagles. Though the Cardinals by all appearances have demanded too much in return for Fitzgerald, the team is in a real bind on this one.
To be sure, it's a mess that the team created. And whether Fitzgerald does anything aimed at genuinely helping the team get out of this situation will be proof positive on whether his image of being a team-first guy is real, or whether it's a bunch of self-serving Eddie Haskell bullcrap.
How do the writers not understand that by going for a 4 year deal, that gives Fitzgerald a better shot at one last big money deal. So it is a big reason to only want a 4 year deal and not a 6 year deal. He could just make the Cards stick to their contract and pay him for the next two years. The fact that he is willing to make a concession with a 4 year deal proves to me that he is willing to work with them....to a limit. This is Bidwell we are talking about.
QuoteThe fact that he is willing to make a concession with a 4 year deal proves to me that he is willing to work with them....to a limit.
solid point
its hysterical now that because those idiots abnormally back ended the deal instead of front loading it, the player now has to be Mr. Nice guy and get the team first guilt trip on him through farging newspaper clippings
How sympathetic would you be if your employer told you on Friday, that while he appreciated your effort this week, he's a little strapped for money, and would you mind taking a 50% paycut?
watch him sign/trade with some weird team like the bucs and the lions re-sign williams long term in hopes the cap will just rise exponentially and then ask players to take pay cuts if it doesn't (a la skins). then the situation would end in typical philly fashion...hellooooo baskett/avant!
hopefully he wants to win and it isn't so much about the money - that's why this is taking so long, but he's making a stick about the money to get on a winning team, and might as well get paid to do it.
this whole situation is taking up a lot of my daily resources
i still say lito isnt moved until draft day or 24-48 hrs before
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 11:33:49 AM
i still say lito isnt moved until draft day or 24-48 hrs before
Yep. Possibly the Eagles use him to move up and take Clady or Jake Long.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on March 07, 2008, 11:32:32 AM
this whole situation is taking up a lot of my daily resources
:-D :-D
supposedly Jaws is on 950 telling Jody Mac that Moss hasn't signed with NE yet?
QuoteEagles | Team interested in acquiring Fitzgerald
Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:37:05 -0800
Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are interested in acquiring Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald via trade. The Eagles have talked to the Cardinals about acquiring Fitzgerald in a trade that would involve CB Lito Sheppard and WR Reggie Brown.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 07, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
supposedly Jaws is on 950 telling Jody Mac that Moss hasn't signed with NE yet?
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 03:51:59 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 07, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
supposedly Jaws is on 950 telling Jody Mac that Moss hasn't signed with NE yet?
(http://theducks.org/pictures/this-will-not-end-well-cat.jpg)
Let us know when WIP gets wind of that. I would actually listen to WIP for that backlash hilarity.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 03:51:59 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 07, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
supposedly Jaws is on 950 telling Jody Mac that Moss hasn't signed with NE yet?
(http://theducks.org/pictures/this-will-not-end-well-cat.jpg)
My kid just spit root beer out of her nose after seeing that.
:-D :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 07, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
supposedly Jaws is on 950 telling Jody Mac that Moss hasn't signed with NE yet?
I somewhat know Jody, I just sent him an email to see what else he can tell me.
Quote from: dis12 on March 07, 2008, 03:50:39 PM
QuoteEagles | Team interested in acquiring Fitzgerald
Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:37:05 -0800
Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are interested in acquiring Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald via trade. The Eagles have talked to the Cardinals about acquiring Fitzgerald in a trade that would involve CB Lito Sheppard and WR Reggie Brown.
Just checked the article directly and this was left out:
QuoteThe Cardinals have little interest in either player, and they are not eager to part with Fitzgerald, who made two Pro Bowls in his first four seasons.
Sheppard also has been to the Pro Bowl twice, but there are questions about his durability and he's unhappy with his contract. The Cardinals aren't eager to trade for someone else's problem.
Ed, the article was already posted and discussed in this thread...including those points.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 07, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 07, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
supposedly Jaws is on 950 telling Jody Mac that Moss hasn't signed with NE yet?
I somewhat know Jody, I just sent him an email to see what else he can tell me.
Jody MacDonald knows absolutley nothing about football, he has no inside connections to any insight whatsoever. He's a New Yawker...his thing is baseball.
Sign Moss!
Quote from: Wingspan on March 07, 2008, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 07, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 07, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
supposedly Jaws is on 950 telling Jody Mac that Moss hasn't signed with NE yet?
I somewhat know Jody, I just sent him an email to see what else he can tell me.
Jody MacDonald knows absolutley nothing about football, he has no inside connections to any insight whatsoever. He's a New Yawker...his thing is baseball.
True, but Jaws is the one who is supposedly telling him....so not sure what Jody has to do with it.
Quote from: Rome on March 07, 2008, 04:13:49 PM
Sign Moss!
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Quote from: Wingspan on March 07, 2008, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 07, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 07, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
supposedly Jaws is on 950 telling Jody Mac that Moss hasn't signed with NE yet?
I somewhat know Jody, I just sent him an email to see what else he can tell me.
Jody MacDonald knows absolutley nothing about football, he has no inside connections to any insight whatsoever. He's a New Yawker...his thing is baseball.
great...I'll make sure to tell him you said whats up
QuotePOSTED 4:14 p.m. EST, March 7, 2008
RUMOR OF MOSS DEAL IMPLOSION NOT TRUE
The e-mail server at PFT headquarters is overflowing with messages from members of PFT Planet's Philly branch regarding a rumor started by Ron Jaworski during a Friday appearance with our pal Jody Mac of Sports Radio 950.
Per various readers (and as confirmed via a phone call to the studio), Jaws said on the air that the deal between Moss and the Patriots is not signed and could be falling apart.
Though plenty of Eagles readers are now salivating about the possibility of getting another crack at Moss, hold the phone.
The deal is signed and on file with the league. Indeed, the salaries are posted on the NFLPA web site. Moss has signed the deal and is under contract with the New England Patriots through 2010.
So, Jaws, either the lenses in those ladies' frames are melting your brain, or we need to ask you for a little bit of whatever you have been smoking.
Jaws>Florio.
Jody Mac has Ray Diddy on right now and is sticking by what Jaws said. Ray Diddy is taking Jaws word for it too.
Quote from: hbionic on March 07, 2008, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on March 07, 2008, 11:32:32 AM
this whole situation is taking up a lot of my daily resources
:-D :-D
It's true - I run IT and use Websense Monitoring. I have to check the logs to see how much I'm on so I don't get hoisted on my own 'net policy!! :paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 10:27:40 AM
and hes a better slot wr than reggie but not outside..
Kevin Curits' stats on the outside last year.
77 1110 69.4 14.4 75 4.7 49 6
Reggie Browns'
61 780 48.8 12.8 45 2.7 38 4
Reggie Brown is better on the outside.
But in you're wrong, you're still right...Kevin Curtis would be slightly dominant in the slot. But if another WR is brought in, he should still start over Brown. Just move him inside in 3 WR sets.
Ten touchdowns total from your starting wide receivers is pathetic.
Yep, pretty much.
Then again McNabb didn't throw for many TD's last year.
It'd be a little less pathetic if they got LJ Smith to put up good numbers again.
Quote from: Munson on March 07, 2008, 04:51:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 10:27:40 AM
and hes a better slot wr than reggie but not outside..
Kevin Curits' stats on the outside last year.
77 1110 69.4 14.4 75 4.7 49 6
Reggie Browns'
61 780 48.8 12.8 45 2.7 38 4
Reggie Brown is better on the outside.
But in you're wrong, you're still right...Kevin Curtis would be slightly dominant in the slot. But if another WR is brought in, he should still start over Brown. Just move him inside in 3 WR sets.
you do know that curtis played a lot in the slot last year right?
Yes, where he got all his best numbers and that is the only reason why his numbers surpassed Reggie Browns.
Reggie Brown is the far superior outside receiver. Obviously.
far superior are your words...a better X receiver yeah
No.
If a real #1 receiver is brought in, Kevin Curtis should be your other starter. Period.
If Brown's included in the deal then there really isn't much of a choice.
You gotta love hearing how close they are to explosion here. If this kind of reporter talk was happening in Philly with one of the players...it usually happens...but again it is the Arizona Cardinals so who knows
Larry Fitzgerald's Days in Arizona May Finally Be Nearly an End
Dan BentonPosted Mar 7th 2008
Filed under: AZ Cardinals, NFC West, Phoenix
Although General Manager Rod Graves is adamant that Pro Bowl wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald will remain in Arizona, it's beginning to look more and more like his days as a Cardinal may be numbered.
Contract negotiations remain at a standstill and neither side appears ready to waiver. Fitzgerald, despite acknowledging his desire to stay in Arizona, refuses to accept anything less than a four-year deal worth $25 to $30 million. Meanwhile, the Cardinals do not appear willing to give the 24-year-old more than a seven-year, $25 to $30 million deal.
This is no little hiccup -- the two sides are off by several million (more than $2.5 million per year on average), and haven't gotten any closer over the last month.
The question is, do the Cardinals finally give in and trade him, or do they spend $14.6 million for one final season? If they opt for the latter and fail to reach any common ground by this time next season, they'll lose Fitzgerald and get nothing in return. If they opt for the former, they'll be trading away their best offensive weapon.
You've got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. Trading away a player like Fitzgerald is not going to be easy, but the Cardinals are backed into a corner here. The best thing they can do is get some quality talent in return before they walk away empty-handed.
Please please please please please....
QuoteEagles | Team interested in acquiring R. Williams
Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:47:21 -0800
Mike O'Hara, of The Detroit News, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are interested in acquiring Detroit Lions WR Roy Williams via trade. The Eagles have mentioned sending CB Lito Sheppard to the Lions for Williams.
QuoteLions | Team not shopping R. Williams
Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:00:34 -0800
Mike O'Hara, of The Detroit News, reports the Detroit Lions are not shopping WR Roy Williams in trade talks. Lions team president Matt Millen said Friday, March 7, that the team has received trade proposals from other teams but the Lions are not shopping Williams' services or actively pursuing any trade talks. "I'll listen to any offer," Millen said. "I've said that I'll listen to any offer for anybody. We want Roy Williams. That's the deal, whatever the terms are."
Quote from: Dillen on March 07, 2008, 05:41:57 PM
QuoteLions | Team not shopping R. Williams
Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:00:34 -0800
Mike O'Hara, of The Detroit News, reports the Detroit Lions are not shopping WR Roy Williams in trade talks. Lions team president Matt Millen said Friday, March 7, that the team has received trade proposals from other teams but the Lions are not shopping Williams' services or actively pursuing any trade talks. "I'll listen to any offer," Millen said. "I've said that I'll listen to any offer for anybody. We want Roy Williams. That's the deal, whatever the terms are."
Dook is practically an Eagle.
The actual Detroit News article is here (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/SPORTS0101/803070463/1004/SPORTS) and provides a little more context than the KFFL blurbs.
John Clayton just said on ESPN that Arizona only has 16 defensive players under contract right now, and have no room to do anything else until they figure out the Fitz thing.
fargING TRADE HIM PLEASE! For the love of god.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 07, 2008, 09:30:33 AM
There are much worse places Reggie can play than opposite Anquan Boldin.
Philadelphia, for example.
Quote from: reese125 on March 07, 2008, 05:11:17 PM
You gotta love hearing how close they are to explosion here. If this kind of reporter talk was happening in Philly with one of the players...it usually happens...but again it is the Arizona Cardinals so who knows
Larry Fitzgerald's Days in Arizona May Finally Be Nearly an End
Dan BentonPosted Mar 7th 2008
Filed under: AZ Cardinals, NFC West, Phoenix
Although General Manager Rod Graves is adamant that Pro Bowl wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald will remain in Arizona, it's beginning to look more and more like his days as a Cardinal may be numbered.
Contract negotiations remain at a standstill and neither side appears ready to waiver. Fitzgerald, despite acknowledging his desire to stay in Arizona, refuses to accept anything less than a four-year deal worth $25 to $30 million. Meanwhile, the Cardinals do not appear willing to give the 24-year-old more than a seven-year, $25 to $30 million deal.
This is no little hiccup -- the two sides are off by several million (more than $2.5 million per year on average), and haven't gotten any closer over the last month.
The question is, do the Cardinals finally give in and trade him, or do they spend $14.6 million for one final season? If they opt for the latter and fail to reach any common ground by this time next season, they'll lose Fitzgerald and get nothing in return. If they opt for the former, they'll be trading away their best offensive weapon.
You've got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. Trading away a player like Fitzgerald is not going to be easy, but the Cardinals are backed into a corner here. The best thing they can do is get some quality talent in return before they walk away empty-handed.
It would be pretty goddamn retarded to only want to pay someone 25-30 mill., and then give him 15 mill for a season because of that.
If they don't work it out, he's out.
Not really much we didn't know here, but:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080308/SPORTS02/803080350/1022&theme= (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080308/SPORTS02/803080350/1022&theme=)
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Report: Eagles make offer for Fitzgerald
By GEOFF MOSHER, The News Journal
Posted Saturday, March 8, 2008
The Larry Fitzgerald-to-the- Eagles trade scenario takes on new intrigue daily, with a report surfacing Friday that the Eagles have submitted a trade offer to Arizona to obtain the Pro Bowl wide receiver.
The Cardinals and Fitzgerald have hit an impasse in contract renegotiations, according to The Arizona Republic, which also reported that the Eagles have offered cornerback Lito Sheppard and wide receiver Reggie Brown as trade bait with hopes of forcing the Cardinals to deal away the wideout if they can't reach an agreement to restructure his contract.
A league source confirmed to The News Journal that the Eagles have proposed a trade to Arizona, but the source couldn't elaborate on the details of the proposal.
The Cardinals still hold out hope of reaching a new deal with Fitzgerald or having him play out the rest of his contract, according to The Arizona Republic report.
Fitzgerald, 24, is scheduled to make $14.6 million in 2008 and $17.4 million in 2009, the final year of his contract. Cardinals general manager Rod Graves has adamantly stated that Fitzgerald will remain with the Cardinals.
More on the Torry Holt possibilities... Linehan says there is no possibility.
Link (http://xxx)
Quote
Once the question was posed, the Rams official laughed for a good 20 seconds, then told a reporter: "If that were the case, we might have to line you up at wide receiver."
Rumors swirl like March wind this time of year. But the Torry Holt trade rumors — to Philadelphia or Cincinnati, take your pick — are simply hot air, according to coach Scott Linehan. Linehan says the Rams aren't shopping their star wide receiver.
"There's no interest, no discussions about trading Torry Holt," Linehan said. "He's on our team, we want him on our team, and I hope he feels the same way."
Besides, it simply makes no sense to move Holt. The release of Isaac Bruce leaves Holt, Drew Bennett and Dante Hall as the Rams' top three wide receivers. The team needs to add another quality body at receiver, not subtract one.
Wide receiver isn't the only glaring area of need. The Rams lack a starting center and a starting right end, and could be looking for cornerback help as well. It would be the height of optimism to think that the Rams could address all of those needs in one draft.
"There are still holes (on the roster)," said Billy Devaney, the Rams' executive vice president of player personnel. "There's still areas that we have to address."
Trouble is, almost all of the options in free agency are gone. The first week of free agency is always a wild feeding frenzy of teams over-paying for a limited supply of talented players. That was especially true this year.
"There was more money, and there were fewer players, so they just flew off," Devaney said.
Almost all of what Devaney calls the "A" level and "B" level players are gone in free agency. There may still be a few more cap casualties between now and the draft. And there's always the possibility of trades. The Rams, for example, have asked about Philadelphia cornerback Lito Sheppard.
But the bulk of the free agency period has come and gone. If you blinked, you missed it.
"At this point, we're going to kind of shift gears and probably in the next couple weeks focus on the draft," Devaney said. "We'll see what positions pop open (in free agency or via trade). We will be looking at a lot of different places. But mostly now just focusing on the draft."
So far the Rams have added four players in free agency: kicker Josh Brown, offensive guard Jacob Bell, tight end Anthony Becht and guard-tackle Adam Goldberg. They are hoping to sign quarterback Trent Green and are close to re-signing backup offensive tackle Brandon Gorin.
In terms of subtractions, the Rams have released wide receiver Isaac Bruce, defensive end James Hall and backup quarterback Gus Frerotte. Longtime kicker Jeff Wilkins has retired. The Rams have yet to lose a player in free agency, but strongside linebacker Brandon Chillar has made trips to Arizona and Green Bay.
The re-signing of Goldberg and the addition of Becht add blocking depth.
"Goldberg obviously was someone we wanted back because of his versatility as a backup on the offensive line," Linehan said. "He also has a background with (new offensive line coach) Steve Loney from Minnesota, which helps."
Becht, an eight-year pro who spent the past three seasons with Tampa Bay, has agreed to terms on a two-year deal. He is a blocking specialist who takes over Aaron Walker's role as an on-line blocker in two tight end sets. Walker is an unrestricted free agent who won't return to St. Louis now that Becht is a Ram.
"He made quite an impression on us," Linehan said, referring to Becht's run blocking in Tampa Bay's 24-3 victory over the Rams last Sept. 23.
Good.
I agree.
Over the hill garbage. Pass.
:-D
This article doesn't mean sthein, just like all of the ones about Larry and Roy don't either.
go to hell torry holt
Torry Holt stole my girl in middle school.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 09, 2008, 02:30:30 PM
Torry Holt stole my girl in middle school.
How many of his babies did she birth?
81, naturally...
ha!
There's being critical of the Eagles - which most of us are - then there's straight up hatin. Eckel has some issues he needs to resolve:
Quotehttp://www.nj.com/columns/times/eckel/inde....xml&coll=5
Eagles trades are offensive all right
Sunday, March 09, 2008
BY MARK ECKEL
TIMES COLUMNIST
It was just about a year ago the Eagles made the trade with Buffalo that brought linebacker Takeo Spikes and quarterback Kelly Holcomb to the team in exchange for defensive tackle Darwin Walker and a draft pick.
Let's hope that draft pick worked out for the Bills, because nothing else did.
Walker never played a down for Buffalo and was sent to Chicago for another pick.
As far as the Eagles, who were puffing their chests out after getting Spikes, uh, not so good, either.
Holcomb never threw a pass for them and left for Minnesota where he was not very good. Spikes, who has never played in playoff game, missed the postseason again last year and was unceremoniously cut this past week.
Don't you love the stock quote the Eagles pull out when they cut a player who didn't work out.
"We want to thank Takeo. He did a great job for us. We wish him well. Now, just get him the hell out of here."
Spikes followed another big-time Eagles acquisition, Jevon Kearse, through the NovaCare Complex's revolving door. Darren Howard's time will come a year from now, after he fails to become the inside third-down pass rusher the coaches think he is.
Which has to make you wonder just a little bit about cornerback Asante Samuel, doesn't it?
I mean people around the league aren't calling Lincoln Financial Field, "The place where Pro Bowl players go to die" for nothing.
Next up for the Eagles is getting rid of cornerback Lito Sheppard, since they handed his job and a whole bunch of Jeffrey Lurie's money to Samuel.
While the smart move would be to pair Sheppard and Samuel at cornerback and slide Sheldon Brown to safety to fix another hole on the team, nobody, at least nobody in this space, ever said the Eagles do the smart thing.
So they will trade Sheppard. Both head coach Andy Reid and team President Joe Banner told their favorite mouthpieces this week they are getting plenty of offers.
One could only hope those offers are as good as Spikes and Holcomb, or Kearse and Howard.
"I'm not sure what they can get for (Sheppard)," one personnel man, whose team is not interested, said. "He makes plays, but he gambles a lot and he gets hurt a lot. But you never know."
Sheppard has value. It's a matter of trusting the Eagles to know what value is and recent history says that's not easy to do.
Anyone who thought Sheppard and a second-round pick could land Arizona wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald probably thought Spikes was going to be a Pro Bowl player last year and Kearse was going to lead the league in sacks.
If the Eagles really want Fitzgerald (and here's a tip, he's really good and he's really young and he would really help) give the Cards whatever they want: Sheppard, the 19th pick in the draft, next year's No. 1 pick. See if they'll take Howard, too.
Or Jerome McDougle.
Or Winston Justice.
Or Greg Lewis.
If Arizona refuses to budge -- and the Cards would be crazy to move Fitzgerald, then again there's a reason they have been to the postseason once in about the past 100 years -- then what?
A quick look around the league shows that most of the teams that need help at cornerback are in the NFC East, and the Eagles wouldn't, they wouldn't, right? No.
Other teams who might bite include New Orleans, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Atlanta (if it trades DeAngelo Hall), Houston, the Jets and New England. The question remains what the Eagles get in return.
Detroit wide receiver Roy Williams would be the most attractive piece from that lot, but it would take more than Sheppard to land him.
The Eagles best bet is probably to use Sheppard and the 19th pick and move up in the draft.
New Orleans (No. 10), the Jets (No. 6) and New England (No. 7) all own top 10 picks.
Trade Sheppard to New England to replace Samuel and maybe get the Pats to throw in wide receiver Jabar Gaffney. He worked out pretty well for the Eagles in the past.
Contact Mark Eckel at meckel@njtimes.com
ha....everything he says is true but he sounds like me not a reporter
QuoteSo they will trade Sheppard. Both head coach Andy Reid and team President Joe Banner told their favorite mouthpieces this week they are getting plenty of offers.
Hahaha. Poor wittle Markie. He's not one of them so he lashes out like a four year-old.
And this...
QuoteEckel has some issues he needs to resolve.
Here's my recommendation: (http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4216/suicidekw1.gif)
Quote"I'm not sure what they can get for (Sheppard)," one personnel man, whose team is not interested, said. "He makes plays, but he gambles a lot and he gets hurt a lot. But you never know."
I love when reporters throw these fantasy quotes in their articles to make it more believable, like they had a conversation with someone...one NFL executive, one personnel man, one scout....makes you sound even less credible
it's hilarious how angry he is
I'm trying to figure out this whole "place where pro bowlers go to die" bit. How many pro bowlers have the Eagles brought in over the years? Kearse is the only player I can think of and he was already on the decline coming in.
Spikes has been a pro bowler but he wasn't one in the previous couple of years before the Eagles got him.
Not sure if Howard was ever a pro bowler but he had consistancy issues as well.
I think TO is probably the only legit pro bowler the Eagles have brought in since Reid's arrival. Everyone else that I can think of was at least 2 years removed from their last pro bowl appearance.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2008, 10:24:54 AM
I'm trying to figure out this whole "place where pro bowlers go to die" bit. How many pro bowlers have the Eagles brought in over the years? Kearse is the only player I can think of and he was already on the decline coming in.
Spikes has been a pro bowler but he wasn't one in the previous couple of years before the Eagles got him.
Not sure if Howard was ever a pro bowler but he had consistancy issues as well.
I think TO is probably the only legit pro bowler the Eagles have brought in since Reid's arrival. Everyone else that I can think of was at least 2 years removed from their last pro bowl appearance.
Agreed on the pro bowl graveyard comment . Bad call by Eckell. How many FA's make a huge impact? Other than Owens in recent years????????? You could call 3/4 of the NFL franchises the same thing.
Wasn't Spikes in the Pro Bowl? It may have even been with Buffalo. Howard?
same shtein different day
Quotehttp://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080310_A_trade_for_Larry_Fitzgerald__Dont_count_on_it.html
A trade for Larry Fitzgerald? Don't count on it
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
Larry Fitzgerald is a lot like a $1 million luxury car.
A lot of us would love to wake up tomorrow morning and find one in our driveway, but the chances of it happening are about the same as Randy Moss catching a pass from Donovan McNabb this fall.
Fitzgerald, of course, is the Arizona Cardinals wide receiver on the wish list of just about every Eagles fan. Over the weekend, some media reports surfaced that coach Andy Reid's team had made trade offers in an attempt to pry the former Valley Forge Military Academy star away from the desert.
It's not happening.
A league source said Saturday night that the Eagles have talked to the Cardinals about Fitzgerald, but the discussions have never gone beyond an inquiry as to whether Arizona planned to trade its star wide receiver. The answer has always been the same - absolutely not.
The story, however, has not gone away, and that's because the Cardinals have not been able to restructure Fitzgerald's contract, which is worth $14.6 million in 2008 and $17.4 million in 2009, thanks to some ill-advised escalator clauses that Arizona inserted in the receiver's rookie contract.
An article in Saturday's Arizona Republic said that the Cardinals and Fitzgerald's agent, Eugene Parker, are not making any progress in negotiations to restructure the receiver's deal. That story fueled speculation that the Cardinals are going to have to trade Fitzgerald.
But the league source who said the Cardinals are not going to trade Fitzgerald also noted that Arizona does not have to trade him now. The Cardinals, in fact, have said all along that they will keep Fitzgerald even if they have to pay him $14.6 million in 2008.
The league source said that even if the Cardinals had a desire to deal Fitzgerald, ridding themselves of the frustrating negotiations and his huge salary-cap number, the urgency is gone now. The source noted that the best free agents are off the market and that freeing up salary-cap space won't help the Cardinals a bit for the 2008 season.
The counter-argument is that the Cardinals could help their cap situation for the future and get better by dealing Fitzgerald for quality players and draft picks. According to that same Arizona Republic story, however, the Cardinals are not interested in either cornerback Lito Sheppard or wide receiver Reggie Brown.
Sheppard, who is almost certainly going to be traded, is the Eagles' best bargaining chip right now. If the Cardinals don't have an interest in him, it seems unlikely that the Eagles could make a deal for Fitzgerald even if Arizona wanted to make one.
And as the Eagles have been told, the Cardinals do not want to deal Fitzgerald. If, at some point, the Cardinals change their mind, they're almost sure to contact the Eagles.
Quote from: Don Ho on March 10, 2008, 02:59:43 PM
Wasn't Spikes in the Pro Bowl? It may have even been with Buffalo. Howard?
I'm almost certain Spikes has been to the pro bowl but it was with Cincy. He def wasn't voted in while he played in Buffalo.
But the article was talking about how Spikes has never played in the playoffs during his career. Which is true.
ha.
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Quote from: phattymatty on March 10, 2008, 03:23:18 PM
ha.
QuoteAs a winner in our Stars and Cars sweepstakes, you have the opportunity to attend a VIP Punt,
Pass and Kick event at the Eagles practice facility with four of your friends. Join us for an
evening of football and fun as you show your skills on the field and enjoy a catered buffet
dinner at Lincoln Financial Field.
You will have the opportunity to meet Eagles players and tour the stadium!
What time should we be there, matty?
In small doses, WIP can be hilarious. I just listened to some jitbag call in and say that the Eagles should go after Pacman Jones.
I know it had to be one of you knuckleheads.
has reese called into today?
That was probably him.
fyi for people near a tv
nfl live does 32 teams in 32 days which is a offseason overview and look ahead for each nfl team...today is the eagles
currently on espn
I was looking to redeem my NFL points, but there isnt anything left for Eagles autographs, they do have a Gocong/Spikes autographed Football i was going to giftwrap to IGY
Some of you are farging retarded. Some of you have spent too much time at myspace. And finally, some of you may be banned indefinitely until you can prove that you are, in fact, the twelve year old girls you come off as.
Man. Letting threads like this sit for 10 pages or more between readings is not a good idea.
It's the reading part that isn't a good idea.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 10, 2008, 06:34:14 PM
And finally, some of you may be banned indefinitely
I'm still here so I guess I'm not one of them. W00t!
GF, this is what you get for letting the inmates run the asylum all this time. ;)
This is an asylum? That explains why I can't seem to get out.
I wonder how rjs is doing on the outside? Taking his meds, I hope.
He's hurting in a big way. So bad that he's posting at PE.com.
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2008, 07:17:23 PM
He's hurting in a big way. So bad that he's posting at PE.com.
Wow, that's sad. I didn't realize he had that kind of problem.
I hope things get better for him soon.
Who else here has lost most if not all hope that they will add a receiver this offseason?
I was confident, but not so much anymore.
I expect the roster to be exactly as it is today on opening day.
WTF is Eckel's problem?
How can you get mad that Holcolmb didn't throw any passes?
He's a 3rd string QB!!
So, you would have been happier if both people in front of him got hurt?
Or if he beat out Dmac for the starting job?
What a hose.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
Who else here has lost most if not all hope that they will add a receiver this offseason?
I was confident, but not so much anymore.
I am confident they will add a receiver this offseason. I just can't figure out whether it will be in the 4th round, the 5th round, or the 6th round.
Quote from: Rome on March 10, 2008, 07:28:37 PM
I expect the roster to be exactly as it is today on opening day.
Nice, they're skipping the draft 8)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2008, 07:17:23 PMSo bad that he's posting at PE.com.
For real? That should end well.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
Who else here has lost most if not all hope that they will add a receiver this offseason?
I was confident, but not so much anymore.
Why the hell would you have been confident? I've stayed out of the WR discussion pretty much all offseason because it's stupid arguing over Fitz or Williams or Johnson or anyone else. Anyone Eagles fan with a brain takes any of the 3 in a heartbeat. Our reasons for preferring one over the other don't matter so getting into an argument about it is useless.
Quote from: Dillen on March 10, 2008, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
Who else here has lost most if not all hope that they will add a receiver this offseason?
I was confident, but not so much anymore.
Why the hell would you have been confident? I've stayed out of the WR discussion pretty much all offseason because it's stupid arguing over Fitz or Williams or Johnson or anyone else. Anyone Eagles fan with a brain takes any of the 3 in a heartbeat. Our reasons for preferring one over the other don't matter so getting into an argument about it is useless.
There hasn't been any arguing about who you'd rather have really. I think everyone here pretty much agreed they'd love either of the three.
I was confident, because they started out aggressive for one, and McNabb, Westbrook, Dawk, and Runyan coming out and pleading for playmakers was big IMO. They put the Eagles basically in a position where they have to do something or take a big chance in ruining that locker room. You know damn well McNabb will be outraged. He won't speak publicly about it, but behind closed doors he'll be miserable.
I still have a little bit of hope left, but not much.
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
Who else here has lost most if not all hope that they will add a receiver this offseason?
I was confident, but not so much anymore.
im still very confident...nothing was ever gonna happen until earliest at the draft...if the draft passes with no wr ill be upset and once training camp comes without a wr then ill be worried...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
Who else here has lost most if not all hope that they will add a receiver this offseason?
I was confident, but not so much anymore.
im still very confident...nothing was ever gonna happen until earliest at the draft...if the draft passes with no wr ill be upset and once training camp comes without a wr then ill be worried...
i predict a trade or pickup during training camp.
id even say so far everything has gone better than it could have...the fact that theres tons of smoke out there should give much hope for the fire to break out draft week/day...it could have been silent on the wr front so far
Quote from: Diomedes on March 10, 2008, 07:33:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2008, 07:17:23 PMSo bad that he's posting at PE.com.
For real? That should end well.
Hell, I don't know. I don't go to that place.
He is lurking though because he emailed me and told me to stop telling lies about him.
Come back Rusty! Come baaaaaaaaaack!
He's a bith. I hope he stays there.
I thought I was the bith.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 11, 2008, 12:26:25 AM
I thought I was the bith.
I thought that was that ass-faced alien from Star Wars who plays those giant vibrator-lookin' instruments.
(http://www.sportsphan.com/fitz-whis.jpg)
"Get. Me. Outta. Here."
is it that fitz w/his agent @ a suns game?
Fitz with his coach. Whisenhunt.
"Listen we can't pay you that much."
"Alright man, better get on the phone and call up Philly..."
Please.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 10, 2008, 07:22:38 PM
Who else here has lost most if not all hope that they will add a receiver this offseason?
I was confident, but not so much anymore.
im still very confident...nothing was ever gonna happen until earliest at the draft...if the draft passes with no wr ill be upset and once training camp comes without a wr then ill be worried...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 08:32:49 PM
id even say so far everything has gone better than it could have...the fact that theres tons of smoke out there should give much hope for the fire to break out draft week/day...it could have been silent on the wr front so far
Rock on, IGY. Preach.
big lurry says he re-signed 4 yr 40 mil
http://larry-fitzgerald.com/jr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=1
i say we now start the bidding for his teammate boldin :) how can you play along next to him when you know he's making 10 mil per?!? ask lito, it ain't cool!
i don't see us taking roy either since det got 2 (?) cb's in the off-season, one in a trade for shaun.
so that leaves us the head case CJ which i think andy will pass on.
helllooooo sampy!
I was just coming to post that. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!
Thread name needs to be changed to all aboard the Williams bandwagon
sign and trade
allow me....
fargING funhole MOTHERfargER SON OF A fargING BITCH GODDAMMIT icehole MOTHERfargER ASS farg HEAD BITCH funhole DOUCHEBAG ASS FACE DICKHEAD funholeHOLE fargBREATH MOTHERfargER icehole
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 11:49:29 AM
allow me....
fargING funhole MOTHERfargER SON OF A fargING BITCH GODDAMMIT icehole MOTHERfargER ASS farg HEAD BITCH funhole DOUCHEBAG ASS FACE DICKHEAD funholeHOLE fargBREATH MOTHERfargER icehole
You forgot "Gosh-darn-it-all!"
Damn, and they were SO CLOSE to getting a deal done with a player who's team says he was never on the trading block.
id be upset if i ever thought they were gonna get him but the money wouldnt allow it...
i wanna see all the contract details on this one because they owed him like 32 mil over the next two...then he gave up a free agent year for only 8 mil more over two seasons?...i dont think so
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2008, 11:56:30 AM
i wanna see all the contract details on this one because they owed him like 32 mil over the next two...then he gave up a free agent year for only 8 mil more over two seasons?...i dont think so
QuoteThe two-time Pro Bowl star said, "I'm very happy with this my intent was to stay with the Cardinals, I'm grateful that we were able to get this done." Fitzgerald led the NFC in 2007 with 100 receptions and 10 touchdowns. Fitzgerald will get $33 million over the next three years $30-million is guaranteed.
In 2008 he will get $17 million $15 is guaranteed if the Cardinals released him after 2008 season he would become a unrestricted free agent, he also has a no trade clause with-out his consent. Cardinals Vice President of Football Operations Rod Graves and Larry's agent
Eugene Parker negotiated the deal. In Larry's four years in the NFL
he has 330 receptions for 4,554 yards and 34 touchdowns.
I guess he wasn't lying when he said he wanted to stay a Cardinal
He signed for less money now so he could get a shorter contract. He'll be 28 years old when the contact expires. That means he'll have another shot at a huge payday while he's still in his prime.
PS: farg! I still had hope. Ah well...
Suckers.
The no-trade clause is interesting. That's the first one I have heard of in the NFL...are they common?
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2008, 12:10:23 PM
He signed for less money now so he could get a shorter contract. He'll be 28 years old when the contact expires. That means he'll have another shot at a huge payday while he's still in his prime.
PS: farg! I still had hope. Ah well...
if these reported numbers are true and i have a hard time believing they are then he actually gave back money
he was gonna make 33 million over the next two years guaranteed and then become a free agent....now hes gonna make 30 million guaranteed over the next three years and not be a free agent?...
it just doesnt make sense
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 11:49:29 AM
allow me....
fargING funhole MOTHERfargER SON OF A fargING BITCH GODDAMMIT icehole MOTHERfargER ASS farg HEAD BITCH funhole DOUCHEBAG ASS FACE DICKHEAD funholeHOLE fargBREATH MOTHERfargER icehole
this is pretty much the standard post until next off-season begins. unless they surprise me with andre johnson or some shtein. no stud wr, again.
Stunned.
I am absolutely stunned that this thread is back on-topic.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2008, 12:31:30 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2008, 12:10:23 PM
He signed for less money now so he could get a shorter contract. He'll be 28 years old when the contact expires. That means he'll have another shot at a huge payday while he's still in his prime.
PS: farg! I still had hope. Ah well...
if these reported numbers are true and i have a hard time believing they are then he actually gave back money
he was gonna make 33 million over the next two years guaranteed and then become a free agent....now hes gonna make 30 million guaranteed over the next three years and not be a free agent?...
it just doesnt make sense
Actually, it makes perfect sense because he would have never in a million years gotten that money from the Cardinals. NEVER. So basically he had two choices:
1. Renegotiate his deal with the Cards.
2. Agree to a new deal with the team he was traded to.
I hope this doesn't stop the eagles from making another offer.
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2008, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2008, 12:31:30 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2008, 12:10:23 PM
He signed for less money now so he could get a shorter contract. He'll be 28 years old when the contact expires. That means he'll have another shot at a huge payday while he's still in his prime.
PS: farg! I still had hope. Ah well...
if these reported numbers are true and i have a hard time believing they are then he actually gave back money
he was gonna make 33 million over the next two years guaranteed and then become a free agent....now hes gonna make 30 million guaranteed over the next three years and not be a free agent?...
it just doesnt make sense
Actually, it makes perfect sense because he would have never in a million years gotten that money from the Cardinals. NEVER. So basically he had two choices:
1. Renegotiate his deal with the Cards.
2. Agree to a new deal with the team he was traded to.
oh then it wasnt guaranteed...i was under the assumption that these were bonuses that kicked in not base salary
who the hell is larry fitzgerald?
Not to be funny or anything, but I just did a quick (admittedly not very thorough) look around and I didn't see this on either NFL.com, ESPN.com, or KFFL.com... and SD's post is from over 3 hours ago.
Are we REALLY sure this deal went down?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2008, 12:52:58 PM
oh then it wasnt guaranteed...i was under the assumption that these were bonuses that kicked in not base salary
no, it was just owed to him. he basically got what he was owed in his original contract guaranteed in the new deal
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2008, 12:52:58 PM
oh then it wasnt guaranteed...i was under the assumption that these were bonuses that kicked in not base salary
no, it was just owed to him. he basically got what he was owed in his original contract guaranteed in the new deal
what do you mean 'owed'...either the 33 million over the next two years was guaranteed or it wasnt...if it was guaranteed then he gave money back...
romey has to be right because no player is giving money back and at the same time losing the chance to go to free agency quicker
owed, like it was on his contract. contracts in the NFL aren't guaranteed, not sure if you've heard.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 11, 2008, 12:57:52 PM
Not to be funny or anything, but I just did a quick (admittedly not very thorough) look around and I didn't see this on either NFL.com, ESPN.com, or KFFL.com... and SD's post is from over 3 hours ago.
Are we REALLY sure this deal went down?
QuoteCardinals | Team signs Fitzgerald
Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:46:01 -0700
ESPNews reports the Arizona Cardinals have signed WR Larry Fitzgerald to a new four-year contract. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.
QuoteCardinals | Fitzgerald contract update
Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:56:25 -0700
Updating a previous item, ESPNews reports the Arizona Cardinals have signed WR Larry Fitzgerald to a four-year, $40 million contract.
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2008, 12:52:58 PM
oh then it wasnt guaranteed...i was under the assumption that these were bonuses that kicked in not base salary
no, it was just owed to him. he basically got what he was owed in his original contract guaranteed in the new deal
When he signed his rookie deal, it was characterized as the worst deal in the history of rookie deals, and that AZ farged the rest of the league by signing him to that type of contract
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 01:11:53 PM
owed, like it was on his contract. contracts in the NFL aren't guaranteed, not sure if you've heard.
the reason it was so high (the 33 mil over the next two) was because of clauses that kicked in in his contract...those clauses usually represent bonuses which are guaranteed...
in this case it appears they werent guaranteed....therefore he wasnt owed them as he could have been cut and not been paid...i thought he was owed them and thus thats why i was confused as to why he would restructure the way he did
QuoteChargers | Osgood unhappy with role
Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:31:33 -0700
Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports San Diego Chargers WR Kassim Osgood would like to see time at wide receiver in 2008. Osgood is unhappy with his role as a special teams player and says he will not attend the team's offseason workouts as an act of protest and preservation. "There is no reason to come to the (offseason coaching sessions) and run routes all day and run my body down and not be a receiver," Osgood said. "Another year of special teams is going to kick my (rear end)," Osgood added. He also said his agent has asked the team for a trade at some point in the past year.
There's another WR that might be available...
Quote from: troyhstewart on March 11, 2008, 01:31:08 PM
QuoteChargers | Osgood unhappy with role
Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:31:33 -0700
Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports San Diego Chargers WR Kassim Osgood would like to see time at wide receiver in 2008. Osgood is unhappy with his role as a special teams player and says he will not attend the team's offseason workouts as an act of protest and preservation. "There is no reason to come to the (offseason coaching sessions) and run routes all day and run my body down and not be a receiver," Osgood said. "Another year of special teams is going to kick my (rear end)," Osgood added. He also said his agent has asked the team for a trade at some point in the past year.
There's another WR that might be available...
Who?
Former Eagle. One of the best ST'ers in the league.
Kinda like Justin Ena.
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 01:11:53 PM
owed, like it was on his contract. contracts in the NFL aren't guaranteed, not sure if you've heard.
I love it when you come to my rescue.
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2008, 01:55:07 PM
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 01:11:53 PM
owed, like it was on his contract. contracts in the NFL aren't guaranteed, not sure if you've heard.
I love it when you come to my rescue.
the irony is that for once you didnt need it
so Fitzgerald has a no trade clause to prevent the him from being traded to a shteintier team... than the Cardinals. Nice
am i being mocked or not...for once i can't tell
Quote from: reese125 on March 11, 2008, 02:02:31 PM
so Fitzgerald has a no trade clause to prevent the him from being traded to a shteintier team... than the Cardinals. Nice
yeah, we all saw PFT too, thanks
thats pretty funny...I never even saw that..but of course you'll believe me.
Man, Mo...your awesome
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2008, 01:58:27 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2008, 01:55:07 PM
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 01:11:53 PM
owed, like it was on his contract. contracts in the NFL aren't guaranteed, not sure if you've heard.
I love it when you come to my rescue.
the irony is that for once you didnt need it
That's not irony but your face is.
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 02:02:40 PM
am i being mocked or not...for once i can't tell
LOL
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 02:02:40 PM
am i being mocked or not...for once i can't tell
no romey is...he was actually schooling me and then thanked you for rescuing him...
even when hes right hes wrong
Stop being cynical and angry, IGY. It doesn't suit you.
It looks like the chances of aquiring a #1 WR via trade involving Lito isn't happening.
I know some would prefer to keep all three CBs if they can't land a #1 WR. If they could package Lito and move up in the draft, who would target at what draft slot?
I guess I'll start with the Jets at #6 for Vernon Gholston.
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2008, 02:10:57 PM
Stop being cynical and angry, IGY. It doesn't suit you.
sometimes we get outside ourselves....
apology accepted?
Quote from: reese125 on March 11, 2008, 02:05:17 PM
thats pretty funny...I never even saw that..but of course you'll believe me.
the king of unsourced internet quotes not seeing something on PFT? nah
Thanks Bob
Quotehttp://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles..._Cardinals.html
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Posted on Tue, Mar. 11, 2008
Sorry Eagles: Fitzgerald re-signs with Cards
By Bob Brookover
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Larry Fitzgerald broke the bad news for Eagles fans himself.The Arizona Cardinals' star receiver today posted on his web site - larry-fitzgerald.com - that the team has re-signed him for four years at $40 million.
This, of course, means that all talk about Fitzgerald being traded to the Eagles can finally end.
The Arizona Republic said the deal would likely officially be announced later today. According to Fitzgerald's web site, he will receive $30 million in guaranteed money with $17 million of it coming this season in signing bonus and salary.
Contact staff writer Bob Brookover at 215-854-2577 or bbrookover@phillynews.com.
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 11, 2008, 02:05:17 PM
thats pretty funny...I never even saw that..but of course you'll believe me.
the king of unsourced internet quotes not seeing something on PFT? nah
hmmm...yeah. kine bud or schwag?
All aboard the Roy Williams bandwagon! w0ot!
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 11, 2008, 03:03:18 PM
All aboard the Roy Williams bandwagon! w0ot!
before you know it we'll be jumping on the Ike Hilliard bandwagon.
It's looking that way. The Lions have already acquired two corners this offseason.
Yeah, but it is not like Bodden and Kelly are that great, though Millen will likely be satisfied. Time to get on the Desean Jackson Bandwagon.
im pretty sure that Cole is a jinx and anybody he puts in the title of his thread is immediately eliminated. i think Fitzgerald signed his deal about 10 minutes after Cole put him in the title
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 04:24:18 PM
im pretty sure that Cole is a jinx and anybody he puts in the title of his thread is immediately eliminated. i think Fitzgerald signed his deal about 10 minutes after Cole put him in the title
yep, same thing for Ocho Cinco. Put DJ Hackett in there now
DJ Hackett is getting close to a best-case scenario.
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 04:24:18 PM
im pretty sure that Cole is a jinx and anybody he puts in the title of his thread is immediately eliminated.
Hopefully the name King Cole will be next then.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 11, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
DJ Hackett is getting close to a best-case scenario.
I'd rather have Bryant Johnson if it came to that.
Schefter said that Dan Klecko was in for a visit today.
MDS will scoop up that jersey in a heartbeat.
OMGATEMPLEOWL!
OMGSIGNKLECKO
We went from talking about Fitzgerald or Williams to Dan farging Klecko? This could possibly be the worst day in Eagles free agency history.
The news has been pretty farging grim, that's for sure....
from rotoworld.com
Quote
With Larry Fitzgerald having completed his four-year, $40 million deal, Anquan Boldin now makes three to four times less annually than Fitzgerald.
We haven't seen Fitzgerald's salaries yet, but Boldin's is only $2.5 million in 2008. NFL Network's Adam Schefter believes the same teams that targeted Fitz in trades could now pursue Boldin. He hints at the Cowboys, taterskins, and Eagles as possibilities. Q would fit terrifically in a West Coast offense.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 11, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
We went from talking about Fitzgerald or Williams to Dan farging Klecko? This could possibly be the worst day in Eagles free agency history.
look on the bright side they have three quality corners now to shut down all the wr's they arent going to get
supposedly Schefter said on NFL network they were looking at Klecko for FB?
haha
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2008, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 11, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
We went from talking about Fitzgerald or Williams to Dan farging Klecko? This could possibly be the worst day in Eagles free agency history.
look on the bright side they have three quality corners now to shut down all the wr's they arent going to get
Zip it ya negative nancy.
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 09:42:37 PM
from rotoworld.com
Quote
With Larry Fitzgerald having completed his four-year, $40 million deal, Anquan Boldin now makes three to four times less annually than Fitzgerald.
We haven't seen Fitzgerald's salaries yet, but Boldin's is only $2.5 million in 2008. NFL Network's Adam Schefter believes the same teams that targeted Fitz in trades could now pursue Boldin. He hints at the Cowboys, taterskins, and Eagles as possibilities. Q would fit terrifically in a West Coast offense.
Show me the Quan.
I honestly didn't know if Klecko played OL or DL.
Boldin is a stud. Give me Boldin now! Less dough and still number 1 talent. Guys never had a good QB throwing him the ball and he's still put up big numbers. Tough as nails, will catch in traffic and is hard to bring down too. One of the most underrated players in NFL
Why would arizona give up Boldin?
I get dibs on the next random player who isnt going to be cut or traded to be slobbered over...only to be pissed that the birds didnt force them to accept lito sheppard in a trade for.
Tomorrow's target is Marques Colston, if the eagles dont trade for him by 2 pm thursday, then we get pissed!
Quote from: phillymic2000 on March 11, 2008, 10:46:17 PM
Why would arizona give up Boldin?
Because his numbers have been just as good, and in some cases, better then Fitzgeralds. The thinking is now that Fitz got all that money, Boldin's gonna get pissed that he didn't get his payday and ask for a trade.
I farging hope so.
we won't get ish
Just gotta hope the rumors start flying tomorrow on Boldin's unhappiness with his contract....
Quote from: SunMo on March 11, 2008, 09:49:36 PMsupposedly Schefter said on NFL network they were looking at Klecko for FB?
haha
I'm open to the idea...he's an athlete and a football player both...the Patriots used him all over the place to good effect. He's not going to be a star anywhere but what the hell, maybe...can he be worse than Jason Davis?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 11, 2008, 10:23:47 PMI honestly didn't know if Klecko played OL or DL.
Both...the Patriots moved him around all over the place. If the Eagles take him on he could play FB at times..especially goal line rushes (Reid being so fond of that call), but he could also be a real boon to special teams...
I'd be happy with the move if the Eagles sign him
from his wiki bio:
QuoteHe was drafted by the New England Patriots in the fourth round (117th pick overall) in the 2003 Draft. Klecko has been a versatile player; he graduated from Marlboro High School, and then Temple University as an accomplished defensive lineman but was moved to linebacker in the summer of 2004.[1] He has seen time on special teams, and in his rookie season was a blocking fullback of five of the Patriots' nine running touchdowns.
...
Klecko was cut by the Patriots after the 2006 pre-season, and claimed off waivers by the Indianapolis Colts.
With the Colts, he occasionally filled in for the injured James Mungro as fullback during the 2006 season. Dan scored his first career touchdown on a 2nd and goal 4-yard pass from Peyton Manning against the Miami Dolphins on December 31st, 2006.
He also caught a touchdown against the New England Patriots, his former team, to tie the game in the 3rd quarter of the 2006 AFC Championship game. The Colts went on to win that game. They advanced to and won Super Bowl XLI in Miami, FL.
lol @ klecko
settle the farg down dio
Today's featured player profile! (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/ScottYoungPlayerProfile.asp)
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 12, 2008, 09:20:29 AM
Today's featured player profile! (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/ScottYoungPlayerProfile.asp)
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"Spadaro Analysis"
My sense is that if Young were called on to play for a sustained period of time, he would do a good job at either guard position. Relatively new to the offensive line position entering the NFL, Young has come along well for the Eagles. He seems to have been bypassed by Max Jean-Gilles on the depth chart, and he will likely have competition in training camp to make the team, but Young is making strides.
Good enough to play for an extended period of time, but could have trouble making the team... nuyce.
It takes talent to imply that a guy would make a reliable starter while at the same time suggesting that he sucks and has a battle on his hands just to make the squad.
Impressive.
that's his way of saying the Eagles are super DOOPER stacked on the offensive line. a guy that could fill in for a few games might not even make the team!
Super. Bowl. ourz.
Spin control
QuoteBrian Westbrook caught 90 passes and Kevin Curtis had 1,110 receiving yards in 2007. Looking back at the Super Bowl winners this decade, those numbers are above average:
2007 - Plaxico Burress, Giants, 70 rec., 1,025 yards
2006 - Marvin Harrison, Colts, 95 rec., 1,366 yards
2005 - Hines Ward, Steelers, 69 rec., 975 yards
2004 - David Givens, Patriots, 56 rec., 874 yards
2003 - Deion Branch, Patriots, 57 rec., 803 yards
2002 - Keyshawn Johnson, Bucs, 76 rec., 1,088 yards
2001 - Troy Brown, Patriots, 101 rec., 1,199 yards
2000 - Shannon Sharpe, Ravens, 67 rec., 810 yards
lol...were Westbrook and Curtis fused together in some sort of bizarre nuclear experiment?
Quote from: Zanshin on March 12, 2008, 10:22:00 AM
lol...were Westbrook and Curtis fused together in some sort of bizarre nuclear experiment?
Yes. The result was underwhelming to say the least.
(http://www.whozoo.org/Intro98/lorijenn/PlansZebra101102_525.jpg)
most important question...which skin color won out?
Always bet on black.
Klecko=GREATEST SIGNING EVAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 12, 2008, 10:05:47 AM
Spin control
QuoteBrian Westbrook caught 90 passes and Kevin Curtis had 1,110 receiving yards in 2007. Looking back at the Super Bowl winners this decade, those numbers are above average:
2007 - Plaxico Burress, Giants, 70 rec., 1,025 yards
2006 - Marvin Harrison, Colts, 95 rec., 1,366 yards
2005 - Hines Ward, Steelers, 69 rec., 975 yards
2004 - David Givens, Patriots, 56 rec., 874 yards
2003 - Deion Branch, Patriots, 57 rec., 803 yards
2002 - Keyshawn Johnson, Bucs, 76 rec., 1,088 yards
2001 - Troy Brown, Patriots, 101 rec., 1,199 yards
2000 - Shannon Sharpe, Ravens, 67 rec., 810 yards
OMGTHEEAGLESALREADYHAVEA#1RECEIVER!!!
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 12, 2008, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 12, 2008, 10:05:47 AM
Spin control
QuoteBrian Westbrook caught 90 passes and Kevin Curtis had 1,110 receiving yards in 2007. Looking back at the Super Bowl winners this decade, those numbers are above average:
2007 - Plaxico Burress, Giants, 70 rec., 1,025 yards
2006 - Marvin Harrison, Colts, 95 rec., 1,366 yards
2005 - Hines Ward, Steelers, 69 rec., 975 yards
2004 - David Givens, Patriots, 56 rec., 874 yards
2003 - Deion Branch, Patriots, 57 rec., 803 yards
2002 - Keyshawn Johnson, Bucs, 76 rec., 1,088 yards
2001 - Troy Brown, Patriots, 101 rec., 1,199 yards
2000 - Shannon Sharpe, Ravens, 67 rec., 810 yards
OMGTHEEAGLESALREADYHAVEA#1RECEIVER!
ha
who posted that drivel anyway?
Munson
munson wouldnt have included westbrook in the equation
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2008, 01:05:16 PM
munson wouldnt have included westbrook in the equation
His initials are DS.
Eagles front office: We've got great news fans!
Eagles fans: The Eagles traded for a wide receiver?
Eagles front office: No, but we just saved a bunch of money by signing Dan Klecko
Someone on the EMB just tried to convince me that Reggie Brown gives you what Roy Williams gives you.
On the super secret ninja forum no less.
eskin reporting that we have another eagles name change...but wont say who did it....anyone know?
Quote from: Billy Beane on March 12, 2008, 03:18:33 PM
Someone on the EMB just tried to convince me that Reggie Brown gives you what Roy Williams gives you.
On the super secret ninja forum no less.
Aside from speed, size, and ability, not to mention past performance, they're exactly the same.
Quote from: Rome on March 12, 2008, 04:15:24 PM
Aside from speed, size, and ability, not to mention past performance, they're exactly the same.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2008, 04:11:12 PM
eskin reporting that we have another eagles name change...but wont say who did it....anyone know?
Juqua Parker
for real?
thats so gay
wow, that's really gay
wow, good thing i didnt get the J. Thomas jersey then
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2008, 04:17:44 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 12, 2008, 04:15:24 PM
Aside from speed, size, and ability, not to mention past performance, they're exactly the same.
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
They all look alike. Don't deny it.
I think he should have just gone with "Juqua"- like Madonna or Cher.
G-Lew changed his name...to Red...(http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/amg/pop_artists/P18424XPL5T.JPG)
The official site hasn't reported the Klecko signing?!? Someone please console me.
I love squirrel fisting, FF.
Edit: Hahahahaha, either I found new filter or one of the Mods rules.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 12, 2008, 05:46:18 PM
The official site hasn't reported the Klecko signing?!? Someone please console me.
Has any site other than :CF reported the Klecko signing?
I usually like goeagles99, but it's pretty bad when PE.com is headlined by his story comparing Reggie Brown to Hines Ward.
Just read on NFLN bottom line that the Lions signed Travis Fisher- their 2nd, or 3rd CB of the offseason?
I read that a week ago. I guess it was just official today.
Well, goodbye Roy Williams.
Edit: I love that filter. And squirrel fisting.
Analysis upcoming on NFLN on Donovan's influence (or lack thereof) in Philly.
Lame. All they were saying is that his "pull" might be going away, because he asked for an offensive playmaker and hasn't gotten one yet.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 12, 2008, 07:45:28 PM
Lame. All they were saying is that his "pull" might be going away, because he asked for an offensive playmaker and hasn't gotten one yet.
What pull? He's had a WR for 1.5 of his 9 years in this city....he's never had any pull. I hate ESPN.
Well, this report was on NFL Network, but ESPN eats it also, I suppose.
Spew threw us a curveball and hid some actual useful information in his "On the Inside" BS:
QuoteTemple opens its home football season on Saturday, September 6 against Connecticut. I can't imagine that the NFL would then schedule the Eagles for their home opener the next day. So there are some possibilities: The Eagles could open Thursday night at the Giants, or host a Monday night game or head to the road -- again -- for a fourth straight game on the road to open the season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 12, 2008, 07:45:28 PM
Lame. All they were saying is that his "pull" might be going away, because he asked for an offensive playmaker and hasn't gotten one yet.
That was based off an article, I believe by Hoffman... that talked about this. I guess Westbrook, Dawkins and Runyan have no pull then either.
If they really had some pull, the Eagles would have FORCED the Cards to trade Fitzgerald to them and kidnapped Randy Moss in the middle of the night and changed his name to Kate.
Randy Kate?
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 13, 2008, 12:04:30 AM
Spew threw us a curveball and hid some actual useful information in his "On the Inside" BS:
QuoteTemple opens its home football season on Saturday, September 6 against Connecticut. I can't imagine that the NFL would then schedule the Eagles for their home opener the next day. So there are some possibilities: The Eagles could open Thursday night at the Giants, or host a Monday night game or head to the road -- again -- for a fourth straight game on the road to open the season.
so if they dont open at home on sunday they can play thursday nite monday nite or sunday on the road?
Either way the field is going to be torn to shreds by those flags from Temple.
Wonderful.
bob grotz of the delco times was just on wip and said the eagles are 100% still intent on getting a big time wr...says he cant reveal his sources but the same ones that told him fitzgerald was never leaving arizona tells him this as well
Intent is nice and all, but it means nothing until they can find a team to work out a trade with.
There might be 15-20 guys in the whole league that qualify as a "big-time" WR. Who's left that might actually be attainable?
Lee Evans?
Anquan Boldin?
Seriously, it just seems like possible trade partners are very, very limited.
I just hope Bob Grotz from the Delco Times doesnt reveal his sources because I want to be surprised and psyched at the same time when it happens
Quote from: General_Failure on March 13, 2008, 09:30:55 AM
Intent is nice and all, but it means nothing until they can find a team to work out a trade with.
when it comes to wr with this team intent is more than 'nice and all'...i could have easily seen them not getting moss or fitzgerald and packing it in and trading lito for picks or a lineman or something...it of course doesnt guarantee anything but the fact that they still really want a wr says tons imo
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 13, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
There might be 15-20 guys in the whole league that qualify as a "big-time" WR. Who's left that might actually be attainable?
Lee Evans?
Anquan Boldin?
Seriously, it just seems like possible trade partners are very, very limited.
big time were my words...i cant recall his exact words but lets just say they arent looking for a #3...they are looking for someone much better than than what they have and that doesnt take much
I would kill my dog if it winds up be Lee farging Evans
What's so wrong with Lee Evans?
my same thoughts. Wing, you would bitch if we got Lee Evans? He had nobody on the opposite side if him and JP Losman throwing the ball. The Bills are a running team
my problem with lee evans is consistency...he either gets 3 td's and 150 yards or two catches...that being said id take him in a heartbeat...at this point youre playing with house money as lito has to go and you got samuel...you could do a lot worse than to come away with lee evans
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2008, 09:43:20 AM
What's so wrong with Lee Evans?
He is the definition of average. He's no different than Kevin Curtis...whereas his 1 1000 yard season came with the help of a 200+ yard game.
The guy disappears for weeks at a time.
No thank you.
Evans is fine whereas he's an upgrade. He'd be my last choice however, he's short, I want a 6'3 guy who can go up and get balls. Enough with these 6'0 and under guys with average speed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 09:48:41 AM
my problem with lee evans is consistency...he either gets 3 td's and 150 yards or two catches...that being said id take him in a heartbeat...at this point youre playing with house money as lito has to go and you got samuel...you could do a lot worse than to come away with lee evans
I agree... he definitely has ups and downs, but I think part of that comes with JP Losman or Trent Edwards. I think he could blow up in an offense like the Eagles where he doesn't have to be THE guy all the time.
He's one of the best deep WR's in the league... which may also speak to some of that inconsistency. He sees a lot of low percentage throws.
The only thing wrong with Lee Evans is he's never had even a decent quarterback to throw him the ball. Buffalo's quarterbacks have ranged from mildly awful to kill-yourself horrendous since he's been there.
Put him in a situation where he's got a great QB throwing him the ball and he's a no-doubt-about-it Pro Bowler. Just look at what he did in 2006 with a piece of shtein like J.P. Losman throwing him the ball.
at this point, the Eagles need any WR that knows how to get seperation off the line, and can be a solid target in the red zone where they f'ed up big time last year.
SD makes a nice point, it would be nice to have some size down in the 20
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2008, 09:53:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 09:48:41 AM
my problem with lee evans is consistency...he either gets 3 td's and 150 yards or two catches...that being said id take him in a heartbeat...at this point youre playing with house money as lito has to go and you got samuel...you could do a lot worse than to come away with lee evans
I agree... he definitely has ups and downs, but I think part of that comes with JP Losman or Trent Edwards. I think he could blow up in an offense like the Eagles where he doesn't have to be THE guy all the time.
He's one of the best deep WR's in the league... which may also speak to some of that inconsistency. He sees a lot of low percentage throws.
totally agree...he would absolutely automatically give them the outside threat they so sorely lack...and to be with mcnabb would give him a huge upside here
The Eagles don't throw the fade anyway so what good is having a 6'4" receiver exactly? It's not as if they would use him properly.
Quote from: reese125 on March 13, 2008, 09:55:58 AM
SD makes a nice point, it would be nice to have some size down in the 20
Hank. Baskett. Son... WHUT!!!
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
The Eagles don't throw the fade anyway so what good is having a 6'4" receiver exactly? It's not as if they would use him properly.
precisely...they use their TE and RB way more in the red zone than any wr much less a big one...theyve had hank baskett for three years and have thrown the fade to him what once?
a healthy LJ would solve a lot of thier rez zone problems
i don't believe in the whole no QB throwing to him. there are receivers that get it done with crap QB's. Roy Williams being one, Boldin, Fitz, Steve Smith...the list goes on, Lee Evans isn't an upgrade at all. He hasn't proven shtein, other than the occasional good game. I agree he's nothing better or worse than Curtis. Smaller in size with good speed.
I just sent a text to my buddy who's a Buffalo fan.
The text read: Lee Evans to Philly?
His response: First Biron, then TKO, then Briere and now Evans? farg you.
:-D
Klecko? Are you serious?
Quote from: mussa on March 13, 2008, 10:00:59 AM
i don't believe in the whole no QB throwing to him. there are receivers that get it done with crap QB's. Roy Williams being one, Boldin, Fitz, Steve Smith...the list goes on, Lee Evans isn't an upgrade at all. He hasn't proven shtein, other than the occasional good game. I agree he's nothing better or worse than Curtis. Smaller in size with good speed.
lee evans has GREAT speed...hes way better than curtis...lee evans can be a big time outside threat curtis is a slot wr
and none of those guys mentioned have ever played with nearly as bad qb's as whats been in buffalo for evans career...its actually embarrassing what hes had to put up with...and not just that the qb's have been hideous but that they switch qb's every 24 hours...trent edwards kelly holcolmb jp losman ect...what a joke
because of his size he isnt fitzgerald boldin or rowy but hes better than anything they have
Again.
farg Lee Evans
If he were a great WR...then it wouldnt matter who is throwing the ball. He's average at best who has his best games vs the texans.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 13, 2008, 10:08:23 AM
Again.
farg Lee Evans
If he were a great WR...then it wouldnt matter who is throwing the ball. He's average at best who has his best games vs the texans.
no one is saying hes a great wr...but he would automatically become the best wr on the eagles and would give the team something they dearly need...which is someone who has to be accounted for on the outside and deep...he would open up stuff for everyone else and make the offense significantly better...
LOL - that simply isn't true, but whatever. He's better than anything the Eagles have and if you match him up with a Pro Bowl quarterback like Donovan, he'd be an excellent complementary weapon for Westbrook, Curtis, L.J., etc.
Boldin is not a big receiver as far as height is concerned. He's plays big and is stronger than most safeties. I guess Evans, Brown and Curtis are better than what we have now. farg
All the talk about McNabb not having weight on wanting to get playmakers. Thats bullshtein. Other players mentioned it. I haven't talked to one fan who doesn't want another playmaker on offense. The FO seems like they have made an effort...but really we have no idea how hard. The thing is there are many teams with great receivers, why we didn't push for anyone else is beyond me, maybe they did we just didn't hear about it. The thing is we still have the draft coming up and anything can happen at the draft. We might get rid of a few picks for a WR, do we have the money?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 10:13:35 AM
no one is saying hes a great wr...
Then he is not worth trading for. I'd rather keep Lito then trade him for more buffalo slop.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 10:13:35 AM
...but he would automatically become the best wr
No.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 10:13:35 AM
he would open up stuff for everyone else and make the offense significantly better...
Like he did in buffalo?
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
The Eagles don't throw the fade anyway so what good is having a 6'4" receiver exactly? It's not as if they would use him properly.
Who cares about the fade pattern? Teams use it a couple of times a season and its not so much about height as it is where the QB places the ball. I want a guy Donovan can toss the ball up to and he can go up and get it. Right now he has to rely too much on timing.
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 10:13:56 AM
LOL - that simply isn't true, but whatever. He's better than anything the Eagles have and if you match him up with a Pro Bowl quarterback like Donovan, he'd be an excellent complementary weapon for Westbrook, Curtis, L.J., etc.
hed basically be the replacement they never got for donte stallworth but much better
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 10:00:39 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
The Eagles don't throw the fade anyway so what good is having a 6'4" receiver exactly? It's not as if they would use him properly.
precisely...they use their TE and RB way more in the red zone than any wr much less a big one...theyve had hank baskett for three years and have thrown the fade to him what once?
a healthy LJ would solve a lot of thier rez zone problems
Im not concerned with the 2 yd fade. Im concerned when your in between the 15-20 yd line and the defense is up with traffic being tight. It would be a hell of a lot easier to find a 6'3 guy. Its no secret, height has its advantages in the red zone...the Eagles havent had a guy since TO to utilize that
Yes, LJ will help no question...but to have guy you can trust (not friggin Baskett) running that kid of fade in the corner is huge plus to the TE position
Quote from: Wingspan on March 13, 2008, 10:16:30 AM
Then he is not worth trading for. I'd rather keep Lito then trade him for more buffalo slop.
No.
Like he did in buffalo?
lito IS getting traded get over the idea that they are gonna keep him....and like i said you could do way worse than to get lee evans for him
no chance youve seen buffalos offense play in the last five years...brutal qb's terrible offensive line and no wr opposite him...and even in that mess of a team he put up some real nice numbers...especially touchdowns...he has like five less career touchdowns than curtis and brown put together
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 13, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
The Eagles don't throw the fade anyway so what good is having a 6'4" receiver exactly? It's not as if they would use him properly.
Who cares about the fade pattern? Teams use it a couple of times a season and its not so much about height as it is where the QB places the ball. I want a guy Donovan can toss the ball up to and he can go up and get it. Right now he has to rely too much on timing.
Call it what you will, fade, jump ball, whatever... Donovan never has thrown that pass and never will with Reid calling the plays. Reid hates that shtein because it causes turnovers as frequently as it does touchdowns, and let's not forget that Donovan isn't exactly Tom Brady when it comes to touch passes either.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 13, 2008, 10:16:30 AM
Then he is not worth trading for. I'd rather keep Lito then trade him for more buffalo slop.
No.
Like he did in buffalo?
lito IS getting traded get over the idea that they are gonna keep him....and like i said you could do way worse than to get lee evans for him
no chance youve seen buffalos offense play in the last five years...brutal qb's terrible offensive line and no wr opposite him...and even in that mess of a team he put up some real nice numbers...especially touchdowns...he has like five less career touchdowns than curtis and brown put together
Wing, you don't really believe that it doesn't make a difference who the QB is. I know you know better than that.
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 13, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
The Eagles don't throw the fade anyway so what good is having a 6'4" receiver exactly? It's not as if they would use him properly.
Who cares about the fade pattern? Teams use it a couple of times a season and its not so much about height as it is where the QB places the ball. I want a guy Donovan can toss the ball up to and he can go up and get it. Right now he has to rely too much on timing.
Call it what you will, fade, jump ball, whatever... Donovan never has thrown that pass and never will with Reid calling the plays. Reid hates that shtein because it causes turnovers as frequently as it does touchdowns, and let's not forget that Donovan isn't exactly Tom Brady when it comes to touch passes either.
yup...reid would much rather throw the high % pass in the flat to tapeh...or a hook to LJ or the shovel to westbrook...for whatever reason he doesnt go to wr's that much in the red zone and he never throws fades
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 13, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 09:58:28 AM
The Eagles don't throw the fade anyway so what good is having a 6'4" receiver exactly? It's not as if they would use him properly.
Who cares about the fade pattern? Teams use it a couple of times a season and its not so much about height as it is where the QB places the ball. I want a guy Donovan can toss the ball up to and he can go up and get it. Right now he has to rely too much on timing.
Call it what you will, fade, jump ball, whatever... Donovan never has thrown that pass and never will with Reid calling the plays. Reid hates that shtein because it causes turnovers as frequently as it does touchdowns, and let's not forget that Donovan isn't exactly Tom Brady when it comes to touch passes either.
I know you're not used to it because the Eagles have never had it under Reid, but imagine McNabb placing a ball up a high for a receiver to make a play on vice throwing a rocket that bounces 2 feet in front of a sliding Curtis.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 10:28:48 AM
yup...reid would much rather throw the high % pass in the flat to KLECKO...or a hook to LJ or the shovel to westbrook...for whatever reason he doesnt go to wr's that much in the red zone and he never throws fades
haha
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2008, 10:26:55 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 13, 2008, 10:16:30 AM
Then he is not worth trading for. I'd rather keep Lito then trade him for more buffalo slop.
No.
Like he did in buffalo?
lito IS getting traded get over the idea that they are gonna keep him....and like i said you could do way worse than to get lee evans for him
no chance youve seen buffalos offense play in the last five years...brutal qb's terrible offensive line and no wr opposite him...and even in that mess of a team he put up some real nice numbers...especially touchdowns...he has like five less career touchdowns than curtis and brown put together
Wing, you don't really believe that it doesn't make a difference who the QB is. I know you know better than that.
It does.
But a stud WR is a stud WR. You would think a stud WR would have had more than 1 season over 900 yards.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 13, 2008, 10:29:58 AM
I know you're not used to it because the Eagles have never had it under Reid, but imagine McNabb placing a ball up a high for a receiver to make a play on vice throwing a rocket that bounces 2 feet in front of a sliding Curtis.
I can imagine a lot of things. A Super Bowl parade down Broad Street, hitting the Lotto, Jessica Alba's titties bouncing up and down in my face... doesn't mean any of them are going to happen.
In fact, the Alba thing would happen before Reid gets "risky" with one of Donovan's passes.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 13, 2008, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2008, 10:26:55 AM
Wing, you don't really believe that it doesn't make a difference who the QB is. I know you know better than that.
It does.
But a stud WR is a stud WR. You would think a stud WR would have had more than 1 season over 900 yards.
This may be where the disconnect is. No one is saying that Evans is one of the leagues best WR's. Evans is a very good WR who would be a great complimentary piece to this offense and add a dimension that is sorely needed. A guy like him can flourish here... also allowing with Curtis to play more slot, where he could flourish... and so on.
Everyone here would rather have Fitz, Roy or CJ... but with none of them likely to happen... Evans is a pretty damn good plan B.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 10:21:37 AM
lito IS getting traded get over the idea that they are gonna keep him....and like i said you could do way worse than to get lee evans for him
no chance youve seen buffalos offense play in the last five years...brutal qb's terrible offensive line and no wr opposite him...and even in that mess of a team he put up some real nice numbers...especially touchdowns...he has like five less career touchdowns than curtis and brown put together
You can continue to split hairs here...but that will not change the fact that Lee Evans is an average WR on an crap team. It's a useless arguement. That started because I pointed out that Lee Evans would be a terrible choice, and would not be much of an upgrade. I dont give a shtein what evans did in 2004 or 2005. Last season Evans was held to under 20 yards in 1 game
6 times.
And other than a 2 TD game vs Miami...he would have scored 3 TDs last season.
If that is a #1 WR to you...fine.
I stand by what I said before. farg Lee Evans
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2008, 10:49:07 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 13, 2008, 10:38:33 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2008, 10:26:55 AM
Wing, you don't really believe that it doesn't make a difference who the QB is. I know you know better than that.
It does.
But a stud WR is a stud WR. You would think a stud WR would have had more than 1 season over 900 yards.
This may be where the disconnect is. No one is saying that Evans is one of the leagues best WR's. Evans is a very good WR who would be a great complimentary piece to this offense and add a dimension that is sorely needed. A guy like him can flourish here... also allowing with Curtis to play more slot, where he could flourish... and so on.
Everyone here would rather have Fitz, Roy or CJ... but with none of them likely to happen... Evans is a pretty damn good plan B.
No he isn't.
I would prefer to hold out for another shot at another #1 WR, than settle for another #2 WR.
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 10:40:46 AM
In fact, the Alba thing would happen before Reid gets "risky" with one of Donovan's passes.
stop.
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Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 10:40:46 AM
In fact, the Alba thing would happen before Reid gets "risky" with one of Donovan's passes.
stop.
Shut your filthy whore mouth, matty. It could happen. IT COULD.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 13, 2008, 10:08:23 AM
Again.
farg Lee Evans
If he were a great WR...then it wouldnt matter who is throwing the ball. He's average at best who has his best games vs the texans.
The last two years vs the Ravens:
7 for 145, 1 TD
5 for 98
against the Bears in 2006:
9 for 94, 1 TD
He has had some good games against good defenses. As many people around here that bitched about losing Stallworth to the Pats, Evans is a much better player.
QuoteThe thing I disagree with from the fans and the media is that the Eagles "don't care" about the WR position. They do. They have made a lot of moves at the position and, the truth is that they like Brown and Curtis a lot. They really do. But they also missed on some draft picks and then Owens and Stallworth were short-term players here. I also think drafting a WR in the first round is the wrong approach. If you love one, yeah. But everything I read is that this group of WRs is just OK and nothing special. I want the best player, not the best WR. I also want this group of WRs and this offense to improve and play well this year. I have a lot of confidence that the offense will be much better than some of you think.
Nauseating. I called him on it too. farging bullshtein.
Sure, the offense will be better than last year, if multiple key guys stay healthy, and Tra and Runyan are still on the team and still have gas in the tank, and everyone takes a small step up, and L.J. returns to form, and....
The top-line talent on offense is questionable outside of McNabb, Westbrook, and Andrews... and there is absolutely no depth.
Plus, being better than last year isn't anything to write home about.
9-7.
Saying, writing or posting nothing would be preferable to reading that nonsense. Him saying that the receivers in this year's draft are nothing special is outright retarded, especially considering there's at least four or five who'd be available in the first round alone that would be potentially better than what they have now.
Even worse is the line about the trade market being dead. It's only dead because the Eagles are refusing to give up more than usual to get better players.
Whatever. According to them the receivers are fine. I hope they all choke to death on their own vomit.
Well, all of them except Curtis. Because he's the best white slot receiver in the NFL next to Wes Welker.
with the exception of desean jackson who can step right in and be a great KR...i was kinda against any wr in the first round because they wont contribute in andys offense this season...but the more i think about it the chances of whoever they pick at 19 not playing this year is pretty high...so why not a wr
If there are any guys that have a "ceiling" capable of being a #1 in the future, why not? But the last thing they need to waste a pick on is someone that has no hope of being better than Reggie Brown.
Jackson isn't "special" according to some people. Nevermind he's one of the fastest guys in the draft and would electrify the return game. Nope. He's just average.
Jackson's worst-case scenario is total bust, just like ANY player, sure.
However, his best-case is Steve Smith and 2nd best is Devin Hester.
sure he could be a bust but so could jerome mcdougle
bottom line is theres a reason hes almost universally rated in the top 20 players in the entire draft....but i guess everyone is wrong and that fool is right
I missed the part why Ocho-Cinco is not available any more.
Someone fill me in.
I think it's just that his contract isn't too bad, the Bengals seem intent on keeping him, and he doesn't seem to be making a lot of noise that he's demanding to leave.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 13, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
I missed the part why Ocho-Cinco is not available any more.
Someone fill me in.
He was never available to begin with. Just like Fitzgerald, and then just like Roy Williams.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 13, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
I missed the part why Ocho-Cinco is not available any more.
Someone fill me in.
The Bungles have $8.5 million reasons why he's not available
Everyone's available. The Eagles just aren't willing to pay the price.
I've seen at least 50% of Evans' games. Him and Losman work well together. Losman sucks but has a very good arm and Evans can just run past everyone. Evans always produces in bunches since Losman is so erratic, but he couldn't do anything with Edwards last year who took like five throws past 20 yards. I'd take him but he's not going to turn into some great WR. He's good. Better than what the Eagles have.
I'm all for Lee Evans, or any other reciever who would improve the WR corps.
I have absolutely 0% faith in this front office to draft a WR. Best case scenario is Lee Evans at this point but the Bills haven't even signed Bryant Johnson. With Reggie signed through 2014 and Kevin Curtis through 2012, how soon would it take a rookie WR to get a fair shot in this offense? I saw 2-3 years before they would "move ahead" and actually be a starter.
I'd take Evans if no other options were available as in Roy or Chad.
But I think this team needs a big target. Evans is small. It might be better to just deal Lito for picks and draft Hardy.
shaun rogers nets a 3 and a 5th and vilma a 4th. i'd imagine the birds would be lucky if they get a 3rd for lito. he's probably more like 4th material w/his bitching and injury situation. i'd rather let him be pissy and on our team than to trade him for a 4th. then let him play ball and nickle/returner (ha) or RCB and move sheldon, see if he can up his status for next year (if he can) and trade him for slightly higher pick. maybe then he'll be a little more valuable then what he is worth right now to net us a real WR.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on March 13, 2008, 05:17:42 PM
shaun rogers nets a 3 and a 5th and vilma a 4th.
both of those were robbery. vilma for a 4th? I thought at least a 2nd. We ain't gettin shtein for Lito.
Shaun Rogers has Corey Simon-like issues with keeping in shape (in addition to being uncoachable and considered a cancer by most of the Lions team), and Vilma is probably done.
That being said, the comparison of these highly flawed yet talented players to Lito is somewhat legitimate, given that Lito has missed one-third of the Eagles' games over the last three years, and hasn't played a full 16 games since 2004 (well, he sat out the last game like all the Eagles' good players). He won't be traded for anything near what a healthy player with his skills would get the Eagles.
lito would go for a two in the next 60 minutes if the eagles put it out there that that is the price
I just read 4 pages of Lee Evans talk. 4 farging pages. I think he's a good reciever on a horrible team with an even worse QB. But 4 pages? You people need lives or jobs or drug addictions. Shame on you.
so...people whine when there's no football talk on the board, then there's actual discussion of a football topic and you bitch about it? awesome.
Shouldn't you be brainwashing moronic youths into spilling their blood for American hegemony or something?
Quote from: SunMo on March 13, 2008, 07:52:33 PM
so...people whine when there's no football talk on the board, then there's actual discussion of a football topic and you bitch about it? awesome.
Yes?
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
Shouldn't you be brainwashing moronic youths into spilling their blood for American hegemony or something?
Yes. Got any plans on Saturday? I only need an hour.
But seriously, 4 pages about Lee Evans? Good reciever. Not great, not sucky. Would make a good addition to the team but certainly isn't anywhere near the top of anyone's wishlist. Conversations about better players haven't lasted that long.
ha
If the Army is interested in offering commissions to 42 year-olds, I'd be happy to sign up, Sassy.
He's in the Air Force man, not the Army.
You learn something new every day.
I thought it was the coast guard.
no, that's DMF.
That's why they put him in Iraq, obviously
You guys are hilarious in a not so funny kind of way.
I asked Chris Landry, former NFL scout, what Lito could possibly get for a draft pick. He said a fourth rounder due to his injury issues. I disagree with him but I thought I would share one talking head's opinion.
This guy is hilarious:
Quote"After a week with no free agent visits, the Bills again fired up their airport shuttle welcoming Philadelphia free agent cornerback William James to One Bills Drive.
James enjoyed his visit and left Buffalo with the same impression that he had upon his arrival.
"I was excited about the opportunity. I got to meet coach Jauron today and talked with him a little bit," said James. "I'm leaving with the impression that I'm still excited about the opportunity. I've got to play with some things in my head, but I'm excited to be here."
It's no secret the Bills need to refortify the cornerback position after the free agent loss of veteran Jason Webster, who signed with New England, and the release of Kiwaukee Thomas. Buffalo currently has just four cornerbacks on the roster in Dustin Fox, Jabari Greer, Terrence McGee and Ashton Youboty.
James, a seven-year veteran, has spent his entire career in the NFC East playing for the Eagles and Giants, the team that made him a third-round pick back in 2001.
The 28-year old has accumulated 45 starts in his career with all but six coming in his time with the Giants where he earned a starting job. Despite suffering a stress fracture in his lower back in 2003, James started 15 games in 2004 for New York, but the back injury would resurface as he appeared in just two games in 2005.
In the 2006 offseason the Giants released him due to the recurring back problems. Philadelphia however, signed him in the middle of the 2006 season after he passed a team physical and he appeared in three games that season for the Eagles.
Last season James played in 14 games with six starts for Philadelphia as he started in place of injured starter Lito Sheppard. He feels he has put to rest any lingering concerns around the league about his back problems.
"The most important thing is I proved that to myself," said James. "When I was going out there after my first back injury when I was out on the field I was still feeling things in my back not knowing what it was.
"After I was able to rehab for a year and get back on my feet and being out on that field I didn't know if I'd be able to commit to being on a team for a number of years. But I became sure of those things once I was able to hit somebody and get up and not feel anything. I was able to play four or five games (in 2006) without any pain and then a second season without any pain. So I'm very happy that that situation is behind me and I look forward to moving on."
James served mainly as the Eagles' nickel corner behind Sheppard and Sheldon Brown, but was used on the outside in that package.
At 6'0" and almost 200 pounds James is capable of matching up with the league's bigger receivers, and Buffalo's cornerback contingent lacks height which at times made defending the red zone difficult. The Bills ranked 29th against the pass last season.
Facing the likes of tall wideouts like Plaxico Burress, Terrell Owens and Randy Moss over the years has given James a certain degree of comfort with such matchups.
"I've always been considered one of the most physical corners in the NFL and not just because of my size, but because of my aggressive nature," said James. "I like to press a lot so I like to get up there and be physical one-on-one with receivers. I've proven I can handle that. Being six-foot and 197 has a lot to do with that."
James works best in man coverage and is known as a good tackler. He was encouraged by what he heard from Bills defensive coordinator Perry Fewell about Buffalo's scheme.
"I like the philosophy of the defense," he said. "Even watching the film I see guys in this defense getting up there in the receiver's face and I know the philosophy behind this defense is aggressive in nature. That's what I do. I'm a physical corner."
If signed he would likely compete with Jabari Greer for the starting right cornerback job. Becoming an entrenched starter in the league again is something James has been shooting for since his setback with back problems three years ago.
"I had to come off an injury situation going into Philly, so I was the nickel my first year there and last year I had the opportunity to start six games," said James. "That got me back on track to being a permanent starter and I feel like I'm one of the better cornerbacks in the NFL and I aim to prove that. Whatever situation I put myself in I'll be aiming to start."
Whether Buffalo is the place where that quest continues is still up in the air.
"I like where the whole organization is headed. It's going to be one of those things where if it works out I would definitely consider being here," James said of Buffalo. "It's not too far from where I make my home base which is in New York City. It's a good opportunity and it's a good fit and we'll see what happens."
I may have missed it but where is the Lee Evans talk stemming from? Buffalo is in need of a CB, the Eagles are in need of a WR. Does that swap make to much sense or is it just me?
The Bills and Eagles have an arrangement: we take their trash, and they take ours. Lee Evans isn't trash, so he will not become an Eagle.
I can't believe anyone, even "James" himself, can still say he has the capability to be a starting cornerback in the NFL. He's incredibly terrible and can't even cover James Thrash.
Ha! Yes. If James Thrash makes you his bitch it's time to start seriously thinking about retiring. Or killing yourself, whatever.
Quote from: Rome on March 14, 2008, 10:14:17 AM
Ha! Yes. If James Thrash makes you his bitch it's time to start seriously thinking about retiring. Or killing yourself, whatever.
Unfortunately this maxim should apply to Jimmy Johnson as well.
Although I don't think he needs to seriously think about killing himself.
I think if he stops seriously thinking about breathing then that will be lights out.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 14, 2008, 08:37:03 AM
This guy is hilarious:
Quote"After a week with no free agent visits, the Bills again fired up their airport shuttle welcoming Philadelphia free agent cornerback William James to One Bills Drive.
James enjoyed his visit and left Buffalo with the same impression that he had upon his arrival.
"I was excited about the opportunity. I got to meet coach Jauron today and talked with him a little bit," said James. "I'm leaving with the impression that I'm still excited about the opportunity. I've got to play with some things in my head, but I'm excited to be here."
It's no secret the Bills need to refortify the cornerback position after the free agent loss of veteran Jason Webster, who signed with New England, and the release of Kiwaukee Thomas. Buffalo currently has just four cornerbacks on the roster in Dustin Fox, Jabari Greer, Terrence McGee and Ashton Youboty.
James, a seven-year veteran, has spent his entire career in the NFC East playing for the Eagles and Giants, the team that made him a third-round pick back in 2001.
The 28-year old has accumulated 45 starts in his career with all but six coming in his time with the Giants where he earned a starting job. Despite suffering a stress fracture in his lower back in 2003, James started 15 games in 2004 for New York, but the back injury would resurface as he appeared in just two games in 2005.
In the 2006 offseason the Giants released him due to the recurring back problems. Philadelphia however, signed him in the middle of the 2006 season after he passed a team physical and he appeared in three games that season for the Eagles.
Last season James played in 14 games with six starts for Philadelphia as he started in place of injured starter Lito Sheppard. He feels he has put to rest any lingering concerns around the league about his back problems.
"The most important thing is I proved that to myself," said James. "When I was going out there after my first back injury when I was out on the field I was still feeling things in my back not knowing what it was.
"After I was able to rehab for a year and get back on my feet and being out on that field I didn't know if I'd be able to commit to being on a team for a number of years. But I became sure of those things once I was able to hit somebody and get up and not feel anything. I was able to play four or five games (in 2006) without any pain and then a second season without any pain. So I'm very happy that that situation is behind me and I look forward to moving on."
James served mainly as the Eagles' nickel corner behind Sheppard and Sheldon Brown, but was used on the outside in that package.
At 6'0" and almost 200 pounds James is capable of matching up with the league's bigger receivers, and Buffalo's cornerback contingent lacks height which at times made defending the red zone difficult. The Bills ranked 29th against the pass last season.
Facing the likes of tall wideouts like Plaxico Burress, Terrell Owens and Randy Moss over the years has given James a certain degree of comfort with such matchups.
"I've always been considered one of the most physical corners in the NFL and not just because of my size, but because of my aggressive nature," said James. "I like to press a lot so I like to get up there and be physical one-on-one with receivers. I've proven I can handle that. Being six-foot and 197 has a lot to do with that."
James works best in man coverage and is known as a good tackler. He was encouraged by what he heard from Bills defensive coordinator Perry Fewell about Buffalo's scheme.
"I like the philosophy of the defense," he said. "Even watching the film I see guys in this defense getting up there in the receiver's face and I know the philosophy behind this defense is aggressive in nature. That's what I do. I'm a physical corner."
If signed he would likely compete with Jabari Greer for the starting right cornerback job. Becoming an entrenched starter in the league again is something James has been shooting for since his setback with back problems three years ago.
"I had to come off an injury situation going into Philly, so I was the nickel my first year there and last year I had the opportunity to start six games," said James. "That got me back on track to being a permanent starter and I feel like I'm one of the better cornerbacks in the NFL and I aim to prove that. Whatever situation I put myself in I'll be aiming to start."
Whether Buffalo is the place where that quest continues is still up in the air.
"I like where the whole organization is headed. It's going to be one of those things where if it works out I would definitely consider being here," James said of Buffalo. "It's not too far from where I make my home base which is in New York City. It's a good opportunity and it's a good fit and we'll see what happens."
I may have missed it but where is the Lee Evans talk stemming from? Buffalo is in need of a CB, the Eagles are in need of a WR. Does that swap make to much sense or is it just me?
The niners just signed Bryant Johnson, who visited the Bills. The thought was if the Bills got BJ (ha!), then they could afford to trade Evans for Lito. Now that is dead and I would guess all chances the Eagles trade for a WR.
they need to contract the bills franchise....everything about it is a joke
I guess we can forget about an upgrade to the receiver position.
QuoteFocus On The Team, Not A Single Position
The vast majority of you understand how much has been accomplished in the offseason to date for the Eagles. To go out and get two free agents on the opening days of the market, to sign what everyone said was the cream of the free-agent crop (Asante Samuel) and then to come back a day later and ink a player (Chris Clemons) who (one industry analyst, ESPN's John Clayton, told me "is the steal of all of free agency") is impressive.
There is more to come, for sure. The Eagles continue to engage in trade talks. They continue to explore ways to manipulate the roster and improve everywhere they can.
Most of you get that.
There are a few of you, however, who need to take a step back and stop the hysteria about the wide receiver position. It has been suggested in some circles, albeit a vocal minority I believe, that believe the Eagles "don't have a chance" (and I'm quoting off the Discussion Boards) should they not land an ""impact"" wide receiver at some point between now and September.
This is total, utter nonsense.
While the Eagles have demonstrated a willingness to pursue a hot-shot wide receiver in this offseason – Randy Moss, for instance – and have never been shy about addressing the position, the true, honest-to-goodness fact is that it is not the top-of-the-line priority for this team, and nor should it be.
This is a very fine team the Eagles have put together, one that I believe underachieved last season, one that comes back virtually intact plus the additions of Samuel and Clemons to a defense malnourished last year in the feast of turnovers, one that has a few key players healthy now after battling injuries last year, one that still has a cache of draft picks, some room to work with under the salary cap and one that has a whole lot of motivation to get to the peak.
To suggest that the Eagles ""don't have a chance,"" is plain stupid. It's ignorant of the basic tenet of the NFL, that every team truly has a shot, and it's contrary to the honest evaluation of the top-to-bottom roster this team has put together.
I mean, the hysteria is just out of hand for me. I understand you all want to bring in a superstar wide receiver, and I recognize what Terrell Owens meant to this team in 2004. He was a great addition for that season. The offense, already very, very good, went to another level. The Eagles cruised through the regular season with Owens making big play after big play.
But you know what? The Eagles offense has cruised through a lot of big seasons when it didn't have Pro Bowl wide receivers. The stalling points in the years before came in the NFC Championship Game, when the Eagles – as a team – did not get the job done.
In 2004, with Owens sidelined with his ankle injury, the Eagles blasted their way past Minnesota and Atlanta and reached the Super Bowl.
As a team.
I'm sick of the whole wide receiver obsession, to be honest. And I know I'll hear from the fans who will lob all of the reasons the Eagles have tripped in the past, pointing their venom at the wide receiver position. You will say that in 2003 the Eagles lost to Carolina in the NFC title game because Todd Pinkston and James Thrash were manhandled by the Panthers defensive backs. And you're right. Dead on. I'll add, as a fact, that Brian Westbrook missed that game with an injury and that Donovan McNabb was knocked out and that the Eagles offense flat-out played poorly the whole game.
And that the Eagles lost – as a team.
The past is the past, and I can't change what has happened. I don't agree with the notion that the Eagles don't value the wide receiver position, because any team that has traded for receivers (Owens and Donté Stallworth), used No. 1 picks on receivers (Freddie Mitchell), used second-round draft picks on the position (Reggie Brown) and signed highly-coveted and very expensive receivers in free agency (Kevin Curtis) understands the importance of the position.
You tell me a sure-fire way to find a superstar wide receiver, a proven, no-doubt-about-it way and I'll recommend you for a general manager job in the NFL. There is no -- and I'm going to borrow a line from our old friend Rich Kotite here -- "cookbook answer" to employ a superstar at wide receiver. The best receivers in the NFL are high draft picks, mid-round draft picks, low draft picks, free agents, etc.
Anyway, the Eagles have some good receivers who can win a Super Bowl. Curtis had a very nice first season here, catching 77 passes for 1,100 yards and scoring six touchdowns receiving. Reggie Brown, who I simply expect more from and who I am hoping will bust out this season and become the very best he can be, caught 61 passes. I also recognize that Westbrook is a superstar third piece of the receiving game, and that tight end L.J. Smith is an important piece. I like the roles Jason Avant and Hank Baskett and Greg Lewis can play when they have the opportunity to contribute.
I think I'm writing this out of frustration after spending so much time communicating with fans on the Discussion Boards and from time to time tuning in to sports talk radio and watching television in Philadelphia. It is truly all I hear: Wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver.
We would all like to add more to the offense. With McNabb rounding into shape, the offense last season was not good enough at times when Westbrook did not have the ball. We have discussed to death the problems in the red zone. The coaches are well aware of the challenges there. They have poked and prodded and dissected the how's and why's and what-went-wrongs. So I look for better things to come in the red zone in 2008.
And, look, I'm not saying the Eagles won't add a wide receiver. Scenarios at a moment's notice in the NFL. The Eagles are keeping their eyes open for ways to improve the team, to build on what has been a fantastic offseason.
That's the part I want to get through here: Enjoy what the Eagles are building as a team. It's exciting. There are holes to address and the Eagles have the responsibility to do so. Got it. Understood. They know the deal.
I just want to put my two cents in and encourage you to realize what this team has going, rather than being dragged into the muck and mire of the wide receiver drivel. Yeah, McNabb said he wanted playmakers to come on board, and I'm absolutely certain he recognizes how great it is that Samuel and Clemons are on board, and that the turnover drought of last year won't be repeated in 2008. I'm sure McNabb, like all of us, anticipate that the defense is going to have more takeaways and will set up the offense for an easy score or two or three, something it didn't do last season.
And I'm equally sure that the Eagles are exploring ways to address the offense, and to make the special teams more dynamic. It takes time, and the Eagles have time. We're in mid March. There is much more show to come.
I know the majority of you get that part of the equation. I also understand that the passion for the Lombardi Trophy is so incredible high and that there is a feeling of desperation, a question of whether "the window is closing" – a notion I vehemently dispute, which I will write about on another day – and that all you want is to win, win, win.
Got it.
Well, guess what? The Eagles are going to win this year. They're going to win big. This is an outstanding team in place, with the emphasis on the word "team."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...ex.html?eref=T1
Don Banks calls Eagles one of the 5 most improved teams:
Quote2. Philadelphia Eagles
The Eagles won their final three games last season and scratched their way back to .500, and they've kept the momentum going nicely into the offseason. Probably Philly's best decision so far in 2008 has been to not overreact to the fans and media pundits who clamored for the end of Andy Reid's tenure after his most challenging season in his nine years on the Eagles sideline. And while we're at it, let's add a big ditto for Donovan McNabb, who finished very strongly and is going to get at least one more year as Philadelphia's franchise quarterback.
As for the team's personnel moves, franchising tight end L.J. Smith alleviated one potential need, and landing ex-Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel -- the top player available in free agency -- gives the Eagles secondary a proven play-maker with a winning pedigree. He can't do much of anything alone, but if the Eagles can generate more of a pass rush than they did in 2007, Samuel will be part of the winning puzzle.
Philly's pass rush got a boost with the signing of ex-Raider defensive end Chris Clemons, who was one of the more underrated talents in free agency. I also like the release of underachieving defensive end Jevon Kearse -- addition by subtraction -- and veteran linebacker Takeo Spikes, who is the kiss of death for any team's playoff hopes (10 years in the NFL without a postseason trip). The Eagles young linebacking corps of Omar Gaither, Stewart Bradley and Chris Gocong is now set.
What they still need: Stop us if you've heard this one before, but the Eagles could really use a No. 1 receiver. Maybe he arrives via the draft, where Philly owns the 19th pick, or maybe someone can still be pried loose via a trade involving former starting cornerback Lito Sheppard.
How much better?: From 8-8 to 11-5.
I had already forgotten about Clemons until I read this
i cant recall who it was but someone on this board made made the money call on clemons when he said that dook could either get zero or ten sacks
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photo/thumbs/25465.jpg)
They be hard and shtein.
(http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photo/thumbs/25478.jpg)
This guy is in Amsterdam. The jersey is one thing but the orange farging hat? Die. Just die.
I like how the jersey is tucked into his jeans up to the numbers. Such a natural point to tuck a jersey into, just below the numbers.
Wonder what this guy was doing in the Summer of Love?
Anyone who tucks a jersey in should die.
Because clearly dudes who worry about other dudes wardrobes are beyond reproach.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 14, 2008, 08:40:54 PMWonder what this guy was doing in the Summer of Love?
Probably the same as what he's doing over in Amsterdam.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2008, 10:50:50 PM
Anyone who tucks a jersey in should die.
That would kill off 70% of the crowd at the Edwards Jones Dome.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 15, 2008, 12:46:02 AMProbably the same as what he's doing over in Amsterdam.
posing?
seems possible
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/200...s_services.html
QuotePosted on Sat, Mar. 15, 2008
Jones says Eagles among teams interested in his services
By JOSEPH SANTOLIQUITO
Philadelphia Daily News
Kevin Jones says he wouldn't mind playing next season for the Eagles, the team he was a fan of during his youth in Chester. The 6-1, 230-pound, 4-year NFL running back and former Cardinal O'Hara High star was released by the Detroit Lions on Thursday, opening up plenty of options for next season.
Two hours after the Lions' release was made public, 12 teams showed interest, according to Jones, including the Eagles.
"I can't say that I knew the Lions were going to make this move and release me, but I always felt in my heart that I wouldn't be a Detroit Lion for my whole career, I don't know where it came from, but it was just a feeling I always had," said Jones, who was drafted 30th overall by Detroit in 2004 after his junior season at Virginia Tech.
"When the Lions drafted me, it came as a big shock, because they weren't that much in the picture. It wasn't my dream situation. It would be a dream, however, to play for the Eagles. Going back to Philly, with all my relatives and friends back there, that's home to me. Chester will always be home to me. I have a real support system there in Philadelphia. Playing for the Eagles would be great."
Jones' best season was his rookie year, when he rushed for 1,133 yards and five touchdowns in 15 games. In 4 years in the NFL, he rushed for 3,067 yards on 761 carries, with 24 touchdowns.
Last season, he recovered from a Lisfranc injury in his left foot to play 13 games. His first game was against the Eagles on Sept.23, scoring a touchdown in the Eagles' 56-21 blowout victory.
In 2007, Jones rushed for 581 yards and a career-best eight touchdowns. He had a number of outstanding games, rushing for a season-best 105 yards and a touchdown at Chicago on Oct.28; rushing 20 times for 93 yards against Green Bay on Nov.22; and 23 times for 92 yards and two TDs against Dallas on Dec.9.
Jones suffered a torn ACL in his right knee against Kansas City on Dec.23 and immediately had surgery.
"I'll be ready by July, I'm ahead of schedule right now and I still think...no, I know I can still play in the NFL," Jones said. "I just look at this whole thing as another challenge. I've faced doubts and challenges my whole life, so this is nothing new for me. I've overcome injuries, so rehabbing is nothing new. My knee right now feels real good.
"This is a great situation for me, because now I can shop myself around and see what's out there. I want to go somewhere where I can get the ball and have a chance to compete. I want to play for a team that has a winning history. I want to say this, too, I didn't get cut because of my talent and ability to perform."
And sharing a backfield with Eagles star Brian Westbrook...
"Are you kidding me? That would be awesome," Jones said. "I'd love to play with Brian Westbrook. He's one of the best backs, if not the best back in the league. I definitely wouldn't mind doing that. I can learn some things from Brian Westbrook."
Jones said he had no visits to any NFL teams scheduled, but: "I'm ready to move on from the Lions. I'm sad to be leaving Detroit not on my terms, but I am happy with the opportunity I have right now. Within 2 hours of being told I was cut, my agent spoke to 12 different teams. Apparently, some people still think I can play in this league."
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Pushing my PSU pride aside, I would suppose he'd be an upgrade over Tony Hunt. Maybe. farg him anyway, though.
Hunt is a flat out bust, I hated that pick. I'd rather see two gimps like Buck and Jones as Westbrooks backup, when healthy at least they give you something whereas Hunt gives you zilch.
Wouldn't that be something if Jones called a PC to announce he signed with a new mystery team, held up an Eagles jersey then threw it aside only to hold up a Skins jersey?
It is a little early to call Hunt a bust don't you think SD? That being said, Kevin Jones would give the Eagles a viable feature back if Westbrook went down for any length of time. He would be a great pick up imo.
Nope, I thought he was a 5th round pick at best. He's too slow to play at this level. Awful pick, I've already written him off.
i agree with sd...hunt is a sloth who doesnt make up for that with any sort of special burst or power....hes another classic reid vanilla pick...he reminds me of abiamiri but on offense
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2008, 11:07:41 AM
i agree with sd...hunt is a sloth who doesnt make up for that with any sort of special burst or power....hes another classic reid vanilla pick...he reminds me of abiamiri but on offense
Dudes just a football player. I don't know I agree he is slow, but I still think it is too early to say he isn't going to amount to anything. Again though I would have no problem with them bringing in Jones.
if jones can be gotten on the cheap or a fair incentive ladened deal id jump all over him
maybe we can use him in a package deal with lito and ship them to detroit for Roy Williams. :=)
jones on the cheap is great. using him in limited stretches while the countdown to the inevitable torn acl begins is a great idea.
how can you saw Hunt is a bust when he wasn't even active for half the games last year? he's a big strong guy who can break tackles.
he reminds me a lot of an eddie george type...I AM NOT SAYING HE'S GOING TO BE EDDIE GEORGE. however, eddie george was slow as molasses and he was fine in the league. hunt's role isn't to break 30 yard runs, it's to pick up 3 yards when you need it.
The big problem with Hunt so far is that he's really, really bad at picking up the blitz. He's gotta work on his blocking big-time to not be an utter liability on the field.
Trust me, I want him to turn the corner this year. But we'll see.
hi andy
Quote from: SunMo on March 15, 2008, 01:14:09 PM
how can you saw Hunt is a bust when he wasn't even active for half the games last year? he's a big strong guy who can break tackles.
I've seen enough of him in college to know he's never gonna amount to shtein in the NFL. He's a perfect productive college back. Limited speed, limited burst, breaks tackles etc. I thought he was slow to the hole at PSU but now that he's in the NFL its even worse.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2008, 01:32:15 PM
The big problem with Hunt so far is that he's really, really bad at picking up the blitz. He's gotta work on his blocking big-time to not be an utter liability on the field.
Trust me, I want him to turn the corner this year. But we'll see.
the other problem is the eagles want to use him for everything except what should be the primary responsibility at his position. goal line situations he was never given a chance. even in those meaningless games which now the eagles champion as momentum builders.
heck buck did not get enough carries per game you think they would actually give hunt enough time? they say he can not pick up the blitz and it probably true. he is probably not a great WR out of the backfield either. but he is RB first and should be given a chance to rush the ball. especially in goal line and short yardage situations. at least put him on the field to be a decoy in those scenarios.
Hey, that must be every running back's dream...to go from a Martz-led offense to a Reid-led offense.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/eagles/home.htm
Quote—There are rumors that backup quarterback A.J. Feeley might be traded soon, possibly to Green Bay. With the Eagles expected to move '07 second-round pick Kevin Kolb up to the No. 2 spot next season behind starter Donovan McNabb, Feeley is expendable. And the Packers are looking for a proven backup now that Brett Favre has retired and Aaron Rodgers has moved into the starting job.
Get Jennings?
Maybe they can get another #2 for him! :-D
Jennings would be sweet. Ain't happening, though.
Quote from: SunMo on March 15, 2008, 01:14:09 PM
how can you saw Hunt is a bust when he wasn't even active for half the games last year? he's a big strong guy who can break tackles.
he reminds me a lot of an eddie george type...I AM NOT SAYING HE'S GOING TO BE EDDIE GEORGE. however, eddie george was slow as molasses and he was fine in the league. hunt's role isn't to break 30 yard runs, it's to pick up 3 yards when you need it.
LOL - Mos Drunks
Have they signed someone else's garbage yet?
Darrell Jackson, here we come!
It's funny because if Darrell Jackson came here, he'd put up better numbers than anyone in San Fran.
Still need a #1 though.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2008, 01:32:15 PM
The big problem with Hunt so far is that he's really, really bad at picking up the blitz. He's gotta work on his blocking big-time to not be an utter liability on the field.
Trust me, I want him to turn the corner this year. But we'll see.
Buck sucked balls picking up the blitz his first two years too. He has turned into a decent blocker though. It takes time; the blitz pickups and the passing game are the last two things to come for young RBs.
I wouldn't give up on Hunt yet.
On the Feeley note; trade his ass.
omg tony hunt is eddie george.
OMGEDDIEGEORGEISTONYHUNT
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2008, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 15, 2008, 01:32:15 PM
The big problem with Hunt so far is that he's really, really bad at picking up the blitz. He's gotta work on his blocking big-time to not be an utter liability on the field.
Trust me, I want him to turn the corner this year. But we'll see.
Buck sucked balls picking up the blitz his first two years too. He has turned into a decent blocker though. It takes time; the blitz pickups and the passing game are the last two things to come for young RBs.
I wouldn't give up on Hunt yet.
Yep, especially when you look at the school's that Buck and Hunt come from. Nebraska and PSU aren't exactly known for their explosive passing games.
They passed a lot at PSU while Hunt was there. No excuse there.
and he was a good blocker in the passing game
but getting reps with the scout team at practice doesn't help you learn the blitz pickups...that's on the coach
I'm not ready to blame Reid just yet. The 3rd RB isn't going to get many reps with the big guys on any team.
Exactly...so everyone labeling him a waste of a pick already is ridiculous. He's in his second year. Does everyone remember how much PT Duce Staley got his rookie year? 7 carries. He was a 1000 yard back the next year.
Hunt is no Staley obviously but christ....give the guy more then 1 year as a rookie behind Brian Westbrook.
goddammit
farg.
shtein.
Balls.
Klecko.
i don't even care who the #3 rb is...they don't run the ball enough for it to matter.
i do like kevin jones as the #2 instead of buck....they're both injury prone but jones is more of a weapon since he can catch the ball out of the backfield. they wouldn't have to change the offense as much if, god forbid, westbrook missed a few games.
Quote from: Munson on March 16, 2008, 09:40:45 PM
Does everyone remember how much PT Duce Staley got his rookie year?
Duce showed himself to be pretty good as a kick returner in his rookie year.
Quote from: hunt on March 17, 2008, 09:55:40 AM
i do like kevin jones as the #2 instead of buck....they're both injury prone but jones is more of a weapon since he can catch the ball out of the backfield. they wouldn't have to change the offense as much if, god forbid, westbrook missed a few games.
If Jones tore his ACL in
December of 2007 he will be totally useless this year.
The conventional wisdom is that it usually takes two years for a RB to come back from an ACL tear.
6 months to learn how to run again and 2 years to get all of your balance back.
That kind of injury will gaurentee his mediocrity for at least the upcmoing season, if not the next one.
I would much rather have us draft a back or two.
Quote from: methdeez on March 17, 2008, 12:11:31 PM
Quote from: hunt on March 17, 2008, 09:55:40 AM
i do like kevin jones as the #2 instead of buck....they're both injury prone but jones is more of a weapon since he can catch the ball out of the backfield. they wouldn't have to change the offense as much if, god forbid, westbrook missed a few games.
That kind of injury will gaurentee his mediocrity for at least the upcmoing season, if not the next one.
so you're saying jones vs buckhalter would be a wash?
Damn, I suck at spelling.
I think that jones would add nothing to the team. Buck has actually played pretty well the past two years.
His YPC is pretty high, he just never gets used.
I would rather that roster space go to a draft pick than an injured, never-was.
I'd be fine with adding Jones. Assuming Buck is kept.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 17, 2008, 07:23:10 PM
I'd be fine with adding Jones. Assuming Buck is kept.
So you basically want them to replace Hunt with Jones? Can't say I'm on board with that.
Why not? Hunt's obviously a fargin bust.
hunts not a bust because he never had any upside...not sure he was a high enough pick to qualify as bust anyway
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/18/fitzgerald-contract-not-official/
Jaws was right.
Get Fitz.
lol
jaws said that about moss, not fitz
Quote from: SunMo on March 18, 2008, 12:35:13 PM
jaws said that about moss, not fitz
Well then GET MOSS, you dipshtein!
ha, that's right.
OK...well, Jaws was wrong....
Get farging Fitz anyway.
QuoteWhat, exactly, those "nitty-grittys" entail has not been explained. But while the contract is likely to get straightened out and become official sooner rather than later, the team's failure to get the contract completed is already having consequences.
Per Somers, the Cardinals signed long snapper Nathan Hodel to a four-year deal because they thought the Fitzgerald contract was done, and that the new Fitzgerald deal would give them enough cap space to sign Hodel. But the Fitzgerald holdup put them in a position where they didn't have the cap space, so the Cardinals released receiver Sean Morey.
Graves said the Cardinals plan to re-sign Morey when Fitzgerald's contract becomes official within the next few days, and if they do, this snafu won't have caused the Cardinals any problems. But it's also possible that Morey will end up signing with another team, and that the Cardinals will then have lost a valuable member of their special teams.
GET MOREY!
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 18, 2008, 12:43:20 PM
QuoteWhat, exactly, those "nitty-grittys" entail has not been explained. But while the contract is likely to get straightened out and become official sooner rather than later, the team's failure to get the contract completed is already having consequences.
Per Somers, the Cardinals signed long snapper Nathan Hodel to a four-year deal because they thought the Fitzgerald contract was done, and that the new Fitzgerald deal would give them enough cap space to sign Hodel. But the Fitzgerald holdup put them in a position where they didn't have the cap space, so the Cardinals released receiver Sean Morey.
Graves said the Cardinals plan to re-sign Morey when Fitzgerald's contract becomes official within the next few days, and if they do, this snafu won't have caused the Cardinals any problems. But it's also possible that Morey will end up signing with another team, and that the Cardinals will then have lost a valuable member of their special teams.
GET MOREY FOR LESS!
Rome is your biological father.
Just to pour some gas on the flames of idiotic conjecture:
QuoteIn an appearance Tuesday on ESPN's First Take, Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Johnson said he remains undecided about his future with the team.
"I want to continue my career wherever I have the opportunity to win a playoff game and get to the Super Bowl. That's where I want to be," Johnson said.
When asked if that described his situation in Cincinnati, Johnson said: "I'm not sure. I have no idea."
Johnson also said he wasn't sure if he wanted to return to the Bengals, saying he was "undecided." He said he hasn't spoken with anyone from the Bengals this offseason.
Johnson, who finished with a single-season franchise-record 1,440 receiving yards, has had six consecutive seasons with at least 1,000 receiving yards. He is under contract with the Bengals through 2011 after signing a $35.5 million extension in April 2006.
However, Johnson has been outspoken this offseason about his unhappiness with the situation in Cincinnati.
Coach Marvin Lewis has said repeatedly this offseason that the Bengals have no plans to trade Johnson. "There will be no trade of Chad Johnson. Repeat it again," he said in January.
Despite his franchise-record yardage total in 2007, Johnson said he wasn't happy with his performance.
"I consider it a bad year for me because I had some inconsistencies myself," he said.
"I just didn't play well. I didn't play well at all."
Johnson also acknowledged an incident did occur in the locker room during a 2006 playoff game but denied that he threw a punch at coach Lewis.
"There were no punches thrown. Anything of that nature I would have been released. I would have been cut right away," he said.
"Coach Lewis had to restrain me. That's as far as it went."
Here some more:
Chad Johnson said on NFL Network's Total Access that he doesn't want a pay raise from the Bengals.
Johnson said that "it's always about money," but indicated that's not what he wants from the Bengals. He said what he wants is a "change of scenery." It sounds like he's pulling for a trade, then to get a new contract from his new team. That just isn't likely to happen with the cap hit the Bengals would take.
Strange that after I removed Chad Johnson from the topic title, Chad starts running his mouth again. Then all of Detroit comes out and talks about how Roy Will is not up for trade.
Maybe this theory holds some water. Give me a WR that you don't want under any circumstances.
Brian Finneran.
Good answer.
CJ was on NFL Network last night and when talking Bengals, he wanted to change the subject and said something like, "I know they say the grass ain't always greener on the other side... but I got my water hose... and I got my seeds. I'm gonna make my grass greener."
OMGGETYOWATERHOSEREADY!!!
dook is certifiable....but id take him in a heartbeat....im torn as to whether i would do lito for him tho...i know lito is house money now but still
If Lito is the deciding factor on if the Eagles got him or not... bye, bye #26.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2008, 08:23:46 AM
im torn as to whether i would do lito for him tho
You're not that torn. You'd do Lito and a 2nd rounder, and you'd like it.
i def wouldnt do lito and a 2nd thats out of the question...im torn as to whether i would include lito at all
You'd rather have Kevin Curtis starting than trade Lito and a 2nd for Chad Johnson?
yeah.... baffled at that comment. Cinci has no friggin defensive backfield and got shredded all year. Lito is exactly what they need, but that is irrelevant. Lets talk about why your so inclined to keep Lito now, but you want one of the best WR's in the NFL
no but its not an either or thing right now
id rather draft a wr or trade for another one than give lito and a second for a guy on the other side of thirty who may want a restructure on his deal and comes with baggage...its not like im anti chad johnson...were he a free agent id have no problems giving him a big deal...but i dont wanna give up all that for him unless maybe it was august and i felt as tho he could make the difference btwn making the superbowl and not
i've never really put chad johnson in the same category as TO when it comes to craziness. always thought he was more of a talk a lot in a harmless way kind of guy. it's always seemed like he was a good-spirited dude. i watched his nfl network thing last night and dude seemed off his rocker. almost cried a few times and just wasn't really making any sense. reminded me a lot of TO.
did you see hes starring in some internet tv show called the rookie and his character is a guy named agent ocho....ha
Based on what's on the free agent market and what's in the draft, I don't know how anyone possibly thinks the Eagles can acquire a difference-maker for 2008 at the WR position without giving up something significant in a trade.
It's especially off when the same people are the ones that believe the Eagles' talent scouting and front office management are inept more often than not.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 19, 2008, 08:18:29 AM
OMGGETYOWATERHOSEREADY!
this got a nice laugh out of me. LO
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 19, 2008, 09:56:07 AM
Based on what's on the free agent market and what's in the draft, I don't know how anyone possibly thinks the Eagles can acquire a difference-maker for 2008 at the WR position without giving up something significant in a trade.
It's especially off when the same people are the ones that believe the Eagles' talent scouting and front office management are inept more often than not.
who says they have to trade lito for a wr....i just have a problem giving up a 27 year old for a 30+ year old and then on top having to throw in a second rounder...if im giving up a talent like lito in his prime i want someone im gonna have for the same amount of years lito will be playing at a high level in the league
thats why fitzgerald or roy made much more sense
this is much ado about nothing anyway as i cant fathom any scenario where andy reid takes chad johnson on...he even has the same agent as TO...the similarities are to close for comfort imo
Is this team still supposed to be building for the future?
probably would be a good idea and its definitely a bad idea to be taking steps backwards
I'd gladly trade Lito, a #2 plus all your lives for Ocho Koo-Koo.
Quote from: Rome on March 19, 2008, 11:10:47 AM
I'd gladly trade Lito, a #2 plus all your lives for Ocho Koo-Koo.
In. Except your life...not mine, thanks.
I'd trade my own life for eight-five and a Super Bowl parade down Broad Street. I'm special like that.
I guess the deal would have to allow you to enjoy the victory first?
I would give up a 2nd and Lito for Chad, but I do agree that he is seeming a lot more like TO as of late. I thought he was different until this offseason. Something about him just doesn't click with reality. But, he hasn't ripped apart a locker room yet like TO has. So, while there are similarities, he isn't as poisonous.
I'd take a chance on him, he's dominant.
1440 yards, and he thinks he had a bad year. I guess losing does that. Put him with the Eagles and I think you see him have a career year, like TO did. But I'd be suprised if Reid takes a chance on what seems like another malcontent.
But yeah, I'd give Lito and a no.2 with the friggen' quickness.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2008, 09:42:12 AM
id rather draft a wr or trade for another one than give lito and a second for a guy on the other side of thirty who may want a restructure on his deal and comes with baggage
When Liberace comes flying outta' my ass playing a grand piano.
Quote from: shorebird on March 19, 2008, 07:24:39 PM
1440 yards, and he thinks he had a bad year. I guess losing does that. Put him with the Eagles and I think you see him have a career year, like TO did. But I'd be suprised if Reid takes a chance on what seems like another malcontent.
But yeah, I'd give Lito and a no.2 with the friggen' quickness.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2008, 09:42:12 AM
id rather draft a wr or trade for another one than give lito and a second for a guy on the other side of thirty who may want a restructure on his deal and comes with baggage
When Liberace comes flying outta' my ass playing a grand piano.
My man all jokes aside I don't think you really want Liberace and your arse in the same hemisphere let alone the same sentence.
Quote from: Displaced on March 19, 2008, 08:12:01 PM
My man all jokes aside I don't think you really want Liberace and your arse in the same hemisphere let alone the same sentence.
lol, exactly my point, neither is likely to happen.
Get TJ? (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/19/houshmandzadeh-unhappy-too/)
(http://www.thephatphree.com/_photos/KevinAllen_draft.jpg)
A buffoon, a rapist, and the used car dealer who fired Buddy Ryan and allowed Reggie White to walk away to Green Bay.
Worst picture in Eagles history?
Only if you can photoshop in Mamula gassing up Jerome Brown's car.
http://www.bringchad2philly.com/
He wants to go to Dallas...LOL
Why do all the malcontents and criminals want to go to Dallas?
because they are americas team...and im not being facetious...it puts people who wanna be on espn and on tv everyweek in the spotlight
they also have an owner who will do anything to win and of course that equals emptying his pockets
An owner who will do anything to win except hire competent football people to run his team, you mean.
Exactly, if it was true that he would do anything to win, he never would have fired Jimmy Johnson.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 20, 2008, 03:35:32 PM
.... that equals emptying his pockets
Make no mistake, Jones has never actually emptied his pockets. He spends, but he spends money to make money. It's not like being the owner of the Cowboys is putting him in the poorhouse. He empties one pocket to fill up the others, at most.
yous can have lurie...id take jerry anyday
You'd take an owner who essentially fired a coach for winning two superbowls and will step ahead of his football guys to draft Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson?
Dallas also hasn't won a playofff game in 12 years.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 23, 2008, 10:56:02 AM
You'd take an owner who essentially fired a coach for winning two superbowls and will step ahead of his football guys to draft Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson?
Even worse, he didn't draft Hutchinson...he signed him out of baseball to a fat deal. And then he did the same with Drew Henson.
And hired Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey and Dave Campo (who he kept in position for several years despite him being Kotiteish on many levels). And when he hires Parcells the relationship goes sour because Jerrah is no longer in the spotlight, which is why he fired Jimmy.
Let's see how that team does now that Parcells isn't drafting for ol' Jerrah.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 23, 2008, 10:56:02 AM
... and Dave Campo (who he kept in position for several years despite him being Kotiteish on many levels).
Hair was a whiter Kotitian jew fro-ish thing of wonder.
Rocky Boiman in for a visit. I think he would be a good veteran LB. Can play all three LB positions and good on ST.
well, our teams should be better, although i'm not sure if the tightening up towards the end of the year were the players coaching themselves or seacrest. 'cause if it was the players coaching themselves, we may be likely to see a repeat early next season.
i'd love love love for us to get a stud wr (for obvious reasons). it'd also be funny to force jerry jones (in his mind) into a move for a cb that would now make the addition of pac-man "justifiable". that'd be awesome to have him and t.o. blow up the locker room from the inside out.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2008, 02:58:16 PM
yous can have lurie...id take jerry anyday
Nice avatar.
Who be that girl?
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http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15257
Tight End Kris Wilson from the Chiefs is visiting today.
Edited - here's his Bio from Chiefs.com:
QuoteSure-handed tight end enters his fourth season with Kansas City ... Is an excellent receiving target who continues to improve his skills as a blocker ... Versatile all-around offensive threat has the ability to present match-up problems for opposing defenses ... Can line up virtually anywhere on the field, including tight end, wide receiver, H-back and fullback ... Added fullback to his arsenal a year ago when he took over the duties at that position after a season-ending injury to FB Ronnie Cruz ... Saw action at that spot in the final 11 games of the 2006 campaign, starting 10 of those contests ... Quickly developed a chemistry with RB Larry Johnson, allowing the two-time Pro Bowler to gain 1,432 rushing yards over those final 11 contests ... Works behind seven-time Pro Bowl TE Tony Gonzalez, giving the Chiefs a lethal receiving combination when he pairs with Gonzalez in two-TE formations ... Has become an emerging threat in the Red Zone, scoring three TDs a year ago, while adding a two-point conversion in the playoffs ... Has frequently displayed his penchant for producing acrobatic catches in practice during his first three seasons with the Chiefs ... Also has been a contributor for the club on special teams ... Enjoyed his first completely healthy season in 2006 and showed flashes of his abilities ... Played in 14 contests in 2005 before he was sidelined for the final two games of the season with a right quad injury ... Showed glimpses of his exciting potential in 2005 after bouncing back from a broken left fibula that cost him the majority of his rookie campaign in 2004 ... Suffered that injury in the club's final preseason contest at Dallas (9/2/04) ... Had surgery to repair the bone on September 3rd of that year and missed the first 12 games of the season with that malady ... Returned to play in the final three games of 2004 ... Has played in 33 games (11 starts), catching 18 passes for 165 yards (9.2 avg.) with three TDs ... Also has one carry for six yards and nine special teams tackles.
look test = thumbs up
strange that they are going after another guy that semi converted from one position to fullback
i like the potential of this guy as an h back...kinda like chris cooley...is andy changing his offense around a little?
Quote from: Rome on March 26, 2008, 10:23:54 AM
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15257
Tight End Kris Wilson from the Chiefs is visiting today.
Offensive WEAPONRY!
But seriously, he's a guy that can block and contribute on special teams. He's an upgrade at the TE/FB/H-Back position over Schobel for certain and likely Celek. It would be a solid addition.
I wouldn't know this guy if he bumped into me at a supermarket but he did spend the past four years backing up Tony Gonzalez so it's not exactly a shock that he never became a starter.
i remember reading about him at the start of free agnecy where a couple of sites had him as a sleeper free agent pass catching TE...mel kipers free agent report had a nice write up on him as well
apparently his blocking is abominable
espn insider take
Wilson is a four-year veteran who has been moved from tight end to a fullback/H-back role by the Chiefs to take advantage of his physical dimensions. He isn't a runner, but he is coming off a career year as a receiver. He has a good catching radius and soft, natural hands. He will go get balls thrown outside his frame. He could have been labeled a bust and faded away after failing to live up to his second-round draft status, but he has accepted his new role and seems willing to help the team however possible. He is just an adequate isolation blocker and isn't the sort of fullback who will unload on a defender or roll his hips into blocks. And he lacks the agility and body control to adjust to sustain his blocks. Wilson has the physical tools to improve over time, but his blocking needs a lot of work.
Grade - 57
50-59: Good Backup
This is a player who is really on the bubble and only starts because of a deficiency at the position. ... He lacks complete overall skills, and although he will battle, he will hinder his team's ability to play at a championship level if he is forced to be in the starting lineup consistently over a 16-game season. Teams don't mind having him on the roster but are always looking to upgrade.
and for shteins and giggles a draft preview of him when he came out of college...
BIO: Second team all-conference selection last season after receiving numbers of 44/643/9. Junior and sophomore numbers were 18/389/2 and 19/272/2 respectively. All-academic selection three times in his Pittsburgh career.
POSITIVES: Competitive tight end that excels as a pass-catcher. Fluid releasing off the line, sells his routes and gets separation from defenders. In tune with the quarterback, displays a sense of timing and extends to grab the high throw. Displays the ability to make the reception in the secondary. Plays with leverage, balance and works as a blocker. Good focus in all aspects of the game.
NEGATIVES: Not explosive into blocks, lacks strength at the point of attack and has difficulty taking out defenders. Lacks foot speed and does not out run opponents.
ANALYSIS: Wilson has done a terrific job maximizing all his skills and did so while going unnoticed. Put in a consistent week at the Senior Bowl then performed well at the Combine to improve his stock. May never be a first-string tight end but a pass-catcher brought onto the field during third down or red-zone situations.
PROJECTION: Mid Third Round
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 10:57:45 AM
espn insider take
Wilson is a four-year veteran who has been moved from tight end to a fullback/H-back role by the Chiefs to take advantage of his physical dimensions. He isn't a runner, but he is coming off a career year as a receiver. He has a good catching radius and soft, natural hands. He will go get balls thrown outside his frame. He could have been labeled a bust and faded away after failing to live up to his second-round draft status, but he has accepted his new role and seems willing to help the team however possible. He is just an adequate isolation blocker and isn't the sort of fullback who will unload on a defender or roll his hips into blocks. And he lacks the agility and body control to adjust to sustain his blocks. Wilson has the physical tools to improve over time, but his blocking needs a lot of work.
So, SO crucial... :-D
It would have been nice had they drafted Ben Patrick
You Delaware folks really stick together.
sal pal is on wip and is saying that the nfl thursday nite opener has a very good chance of being eagles at giants (the other option is the cowboys)
also the game will have a 7pm kickoff as that is the night that john mccain will officially be nominated at the convention
Watching old man Tom Coughlin > Watching old man John McCain
It certainly makes more sense from a national perspective to have the Girls playing the Giants opening night. You know, because Dallas is America's team and all.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
QuoteAs we expected, the announcement that free-agent tight end/fullback/H-back Kris Wilson is meeting with the Eagles soon will be followed by an announcement that he has agreed to terms.
Though the announcement has not yet been made, Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that a deal is done for the former Chiefs draft pick, who was stuck for four years behind Tony Gonzalez. We'd previously heard that it will be a three-year contract.
We've also heard that Wilson's primary position in Philly might end up being fullback, and that his choice of jersey numbers could reflect that.
So Wilson takes over Tapeh's job of catching the ball behind the line on 3rd & 1 inside the 20?
Super.
So a guy whose weakness is blocking is being signed by the Eagles to be converted to fullback? Am I missing something?
Quote from: NGM on March 26, 2008, 12:44:15 PM
So a guy whose weakness is blocking is being signed by the Eagles to be converted to fullback? Am I missing something?
he aint playing fullback but the answer to your question would be that the eagles fullback rarely blocks
Im sorry did you say something? I was staring at your avatar.
I would agree with you, but what the hell was the point signing KLECKO OMG HE'S CUT?!?!! who is about as athletic as a bowling ball. Of course that could be a purely STs move.
i still think its 50/50 (probably less now) whether klecko makes the team...but regardless he wont play the same role as klecko...i see wilson as a chris cooley type h back...and in two te sets in the red zone with lj as another receiving option
I don't see how both could make the team. There is no way the Eagles are designating three roster spots to fullbacks.
Guys getting in there and competing at FB/TE:
L.J.
Schoebel
Celek
Wilson
Klecko
Davis
2 of the above don't make the opening day roster, if Klecko makes it Davis probably goes on the PS
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 12:30:56 PM
sal pal is on wip and is saying that the nfl thursday nite opener has a very good chance of being eagles at giants (the other option is the cowboys)
also the game will have a 7pm kickoff as that is the night that john mccain will officially be nominated at the convention
this is awesome.
Quote from: NGM on March 26, 2008, 12:57:05 PM
I don't see how both could make the team. There is no way the Eagles are designating three roster spots to fullbacks.
both of them could...as sd said its not just fb's its te and fb
schoebel is gone imo...i think he gets cut sometime btwn now and before camp
i see davis or klecko as the fb
lj celek wilson at te/h back
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 01:14:27 PM
i see davis or klecko as the fb
lj celek wilson at te/h back
That's a bold prediction. Do you also see Brian Westbrook starting at tailback, and Shawn Andrews holding off camp competition for a starting offensive line spot?
I see dead people.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2008, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 01:14:27 PM
i see davis or klecko as the fb
lj celek wilson at te/h back
That's a bold prediction. Do you also see Brian Westbrook starting at tailback, and Shawn Andrews holding off camp competition for a starting offensive line spot?
not a prediction (ive already done that previously) i was showing ngm how wilson and klecko could both make the team...
try to keep up dookie
You don't need to hand-hold those that can't keep up. We don't have No Child Left Behind on CF.
Any chance this means that LJ is leaving? Has he actually signed the franchise tag offer?
I can't imagine they'd franchise LJ, wait almost a month into free agency to pursue his "replacement", and then rescind the offer. It makes no sense, unless he has reversed his field and is demanding a trade.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2008, 01:56:04 PM
I can't imagine they'd franchise LJ, wait almost a month into free agency to pursue his "replacement", and then rescind the offer. It makes no sense, unless he has reversed his field and is demanding a trade.
I mean really...it's not like that hasn't happened twice before with Corey Simon and Jeramiah Trotter.
Neither of those players was willing to sign the franchise deal. L.J. is coming off an injury-plagued year and has expressed willingness to sign it up until this point.
wilson is from lancaster, holla
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
You Delaware folks really stick together.
Ben Patrick FTW!
When I saw the signing, two words came to mind: Cooley envy.
me three
The Eagles were in love with him the year he was drafted and had him high on their list.
That said, this means Schobel is done.
And it is another good role player to add who can help on STs.
Can't hate the signing too much, he can help them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 12:30:56 PM
sal pal is on wip and is saying that the nfl thursday nite opener has a very good chance of being eagles at giants (the other option is the cowboys)
also the game will have a 7pm kickoff as that is the night that john mccain will officially be nominated at the convention
QuotetaterskinS-GIANTS WILL START THE SEASON
Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2008, 6:33 p.m.
Continuing with a tradition that dates all the way back to 2004, the defending Super Bowl champions will host the Thursday night regular-season opener. For the first time, however, the champs will play a division rival.
According to Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post, the taterskins will visit the New York Giants to start the season.
The game typically begins at 8:30 p.m. EDT, but likely will be moved to 7:00 p.m. EDT to avoid a conflict with the final night of the Republican National Convention, which will feature the formal nomination acceptance speech from Senator John McCain.
It's the second time that the 'Skins and the Giants will be involved in the Thursday night opener. New York hosted the first such game in 2002, against the 49ers. The next year, the taterskins played the Jets.
Beginning in 2004, the Super Bowl champs got the home game to start the season. That year the Colts visited the Pats. The next season, the Raiders traveled to New England. In 2006, the Steelers hosted the Dolphins. Last year, the Saints visited Indianapolis.
they have 3 choices to play the Giants on opening night as far as division rivals go....and they pick the 3rd best option.
genius!
Conspiracy theory:
What team in the NFC East is the reigning (New York) Super Bowl champ most likely to kick the shtein out of on national TV?
The spirit of Sean Taylor guided the NFL while the league was making the scheduling decision.
Not thread worthy, but I figured I'd throw it out there that it's Randall's B-day today. Dook is 45. Wow.
"People call me... and they always say, 'Why do you think you can fly?' Cuz I'm an Eagle..."
:bow(http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/cunningham-randall-phe-1.jpg) :bow
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2008, 02:01:24 PM
Neither of those players was willing to sign the franchise deal. L.J. is coming off an injury-plagued year and has expressed willingness to sign it up until this point.
yeah...the super happy look on his face in that interview right after he was tagged said it all. lj is thrilled.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 27, 2008, 08:43:18 AM
'Why do you think you can fly?' Cuz I'm an Eagle..."
One of the coolest things I ever remembering hearing from those teams of that era. Randall was special...
dio is going to hate this kris wilson news.
Sportscenter just teased some bs Mortensen story about why Donovan may have played his last game in an Eagles uniform
wrong thread dummy
yeah, the draft thread is much better asshead, this is the offseason thread, it encapsulates all offseason news
thats where we were talking about it pretty much all day fart breath
Quote from: SunMo on March 28, 2008, 06:12:34 PM
Sportscenter just teased some bs Mortensen story about why Donovan may have played his last game in an Eagles uniform
Are they switching full time to the Yellow Jackets' powder blue and yellow?
how are you drunk already?
ha...bs as expected
not morts fault its the way the pathetic producers teased it...what mort said was just his opinion and valid
i love jaws but hes such a shill for the team...hes like well if they do trade mcnabb you know they have a solid guy behind him in kolb...no one on earth has any idea how good kevin kolb will be...and any reasonble person would say that if mcnabb is dealt its a super risky move for this year because we dont know how kevin kold will perform or even if hes a starting nfl qb...to jaws its not even a question its just a given that kolb will step right in abd be fine
The whole segment was pretty much not worth watching.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 06:57:03 PM
not morts fault its the way the pathetic producers teased it...what mort said was just his opinion and valid
i love jaws but hes such a shill for the team...hes like well if they do trade mcnabb you know they have a solid guy behind him in kolb...no one on earth has any idea how good kevin kolb will be...and any reasonble person would say that if mcnabb is dealt its a super risky move for this year because we dont know how kevin kold will perform or even if hes a starting nfl qb...to jaws its not even a question its just a given that kolb will step right in abd be fine
As homer as he is, he at least does the work to try and back up his opinions. You know damn well Jaws has watched a ton of Kolb film since he was drafted in an attempt to see how he would translate to the pro game. So while the opinion that he is a "solid guy" is homertastic in the view that no one really knows for sure, Jaws probably does honestly believe Kolb could be a solid NFL QB based on film and such.
jaws has no idea...the film on kolb is the same film that got him drafted in the second round...jaws has absolutely no idea if he can play...if kolb was a nfl free agent and jaws was rating him or he was rating him coming out of college that would be one thing...or to even say i think he can step in and play if donovan leaves...but he said matter of factly if donovan leaves they have a good qb behind him...wtf?...
Like I said, that view is definitely homerism...but Jaws does his research and probably honestly thinks, Eagle or not, that Kolb has a shot at being a sold NFL QB, homerism aside.
he didnt say he had a shot at being a solid qb...he said its good that the eagles have a good qb behind mcnabb
Jaws saying that is beyond assinine, no matter how much film he watched on Kolb. Kolb has yet to see full defensive designs by opposing teams, blitz schemes, etc.
Thats just like saying if Favre was playing right now, that no matter if Brett gets traded or not, they have Aaron Rodgers as a solid replacement just by seeing college film and pre-season games. Im not saying Kolb wont be good, but Jaws is basing that statement entirely on the fact that he was drafted in the 1st rd by the eagles and college tape...which should raise more flags because the Eagles dont have the best history of #1 picks
At least Rodgers has played half a game in the regular season. Kolb hasn't even done that.
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Where to start?
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Look at the kid's eyes.
Rome in Rome. Neat.
further proof that
only goddamned idiots wear a kickers jersey
Eagles cheerleaders are fugly without an airbrush but yes I'd still fark them raw
fat white men in shorts and jerseys are awful and should not breed
Lazy eye aside, I'd motorboat the blonde's titties for at least an hour. And the girl on the right looks like Debra Messing so I'd hit that too.
More off-season noise (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=teamreports-2008-nfl-phi&prov=sportsxchange&type=team_report)
Quote
It has been nearly a month since the Eagles signed cornerback Asante Samuel, and Lito Sheppard still is on their roster. But don't put too much significance into that.
There still appears to be very little chance that Sheppard, an oft-injured two-time Pro Bowler who is unhappy with his contract, will be an Eagle when the Eagles report to training camp in July.
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It's likely right now that the Eagles will wait until draft day to trade Sheppard, possibly using him as a chip in a first-round trade-up move.
The Eagles currently have the 19th overall pick in the first round. There has been speculation that they might try to move up and get one of the draft's top corners, Leodis McKelvin of Troy State.
I'd call that a pretty good off season. Keep the solid, not hurt as often #2 corner in Sheldon, sign the top FA on the market, trade the great but injury prone Sheppard, and draft a young guy as the nickle/future starter. Wouldn't be a bad off-season at all. The only missing piece is of course the stud WR.
lol. Trade Lito and #19 to move up and replace Lito?
Essentially just wasted the 19th pick in the draft. You might as well keep Lito. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I would hate hate hate hate HATE that scenerio. As it stands right now, the Eagles spent $56mil to basically upgrade their nickle corner. Now they're talking about trading a 2 time probowler so that they can draft his replacement? Rediculous.
Agree with both Cole and Sarge.
It's a stupid argument, and I can't believe it will work out that way.
Wrong. Asante Samuel is his replacement....the first round draft pick is the future.
It might seem like a small upgrade but face it...Lito playing in some of those games he missed last year very well could have made the difference between a win or a loss. Impact corners are a big deal, and it hurts not having your only one for a third of the season. Samuel could have as big, if not a bigger impact in games then Lito did, AND he'll be more likely to play the whole season. There's not many other positions they can upgrade immediately in the first round this year, not STARTING positions anyway, so I have no problem with them taking a young corner to be a future starter.
Where else could they draft in the first round that's going to get more playing time then a nickel corner now or in the near future? Safety and OT. And 85% of this MB has spoken out against taking an OT so we're left with safety and CB. I'd rather them take safety but drafting a CB isn't as asinine as it appears.
Question for anyone draft savvy...can the CB they're talking about return punts?
I wouldn't like the idea either, BUT I can see why they would do it.
We know Lito has trouble staying on the field, that is an issue in and of itself. So they sign a stud FA to replace him and use him for trade bait. They sign Samuel because he's a known commodity, not an unknown like a draft pick or an unknown like Joselio Hanson not knowing whether he's going to give up 5 or 6 TD passes as a fill-in starting LCBafter Lito sprains a knee again.
We also know that Sheldon Brown has been a tad bit vocal lately, something frowned upon by the brass. He's also butthurt that JJ came out last year and said Will James would fight for that job with him. We also know that he's 29 years old. He's reaching the number where Joe, Andy, Jeffrey and Tom push the big red EJECT button from high atop the NovaCare Complex.
My guess would be that they view Sheldon and Samuel as the starters (obviously) and want a nickel back who has the promise to take over for Sheldon in 2 years when he either moves to safety or is released/traded. They don't want a nickel back who is oft-injured and makes $5M like Lito.
Do I want them to get rid of Lito? No. I actually would like to see them keep all three.
But if one of the two had to be dealt I would trade Sheldon first. Lito is the bigger playmaker and I know a bigger risk because of his health. In that scenario I would draft a CB higher, maybe even two corners (1st and 4th rounds, something like that).
Quote from: Munson on March 30, 2008, 11:22:36 PM
Wrong. Asante Samuel is his replacement....the first round draft pick is the future.
It might seem like a small upgrade but face it...Lito playing in some of those games he missed last year very well could have made the difference between a win or a loss. Impact corners are a big deal, and it hurts not having your only one for a third of the season. Samuel could have as big, if not a bigger impact in games then Lito did, AND he'll be more likely to play the whole season. There's not many other positions they can upgrade immediately in the first round this year, not STARTING positions anyway, so I have no problem with them taking a young corner to be a future starter.
Where else could they draft in the first round that's going to get more playing time then a nickel corner now or in the near future? Safety and OT. And 85% of this MB has spoken out against taking an OT so we're left with safety and CB. I'd rather them take safety but drafting a CB isn't as asinine as it appears.
Question for anyone draft savvy...can the CB they're talking about return punts?
Mckelvin returns punts, yes.
If they trade up for anyone, it has to be Gholston. They can't get high enough for either of the Longs, and no one else that fits their needs is worth trading up for but Gholston. If Gholston gets past the Jets, then I could see that. Trading up for a CB is the worst-case scenario possible.
What I personally would like to see happen is shop Lito for a WR. A team like Detroit or Arizona may be willing to bite if they can't get a corner they like. If not, trade Lito for another 2nd round pick and then draft a WR. with one if your first 3 picks. Then get your other 2 biggest needs with the remaining 2 picks.
I'd definately be happy about them getting Gholston, but he work-out-warrior'd himself up to a pick that will probably be out of the Eagles reach.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 30, 2008, 11:31:35 PM
Do I want them to get rid of Lito? No. I actually would like to see them keep all three.
But if one of the two had to be dealt I would trade Sheldon first. Lito is the bigger playmaker and I know a bigger risk because of his health. In that scenario I would draft a CB higher, maybe even two corners (1st and 4th rounds, something like that).
Agree with this. I'd really liek them to see if they could keep all 3 this year...but if they get rid of Lito, they DO need to spend a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick on a CB. If they get rid of Sheldon, they'd probably have to spend two early picks on CB for when Lito goes down again.
He most likely will be out of reach, but I could see a team like the Patriots trading #7 for #19 and Lito. If Gholston gets past the Jets then he would be there.
I think the best move isn't to move up at all though. The Eagles have too many needs to be trading up.
I'd love if they found a way to get a WR and Phillips with their first 2 picks in the draft. A lot of draft insiders say Phillips is slipping into the early to mid 2nd round. I'd rather draft a WR at 19, and trade up in the 2nd for Phillips. IMO receiver and safety are the two biggest needs right now.
Hopefully Otah and Williams are both gone by 19 so we don't have to sweat them drafting an offensive lineman for 10 minutes.
The cornerback position can be filled easily in the second round because the draft is going to be stocked with corners. And I don't see any way possible for them to get high enough to get McKelvin. If the Jets don't take him at six then the Patriots definitely will at seven.
Quote from: King Cole on March 30, 2008, 11:46:20 PM
I'd love if they found a way to get a WR and Phillips with their first 2 picks in the draft. A lot of draft insiders say Phillips is slipping into the early to mid 2nd round. I'd rather draft a WR at 19, and trade up in the 2nd for Phillips. IMO receiver and safety are the two biggest needs right now.
I still don't think picking a WR in the first round is a good idea.
Maybe trade down into late round 1 to pick Phillips and get a first round pick for next year? Then trade Lito and your 2nd rounder to get back into late round one again early 2nd round to pick whoever.
This is the first year I think we're really expecting them to make a trade in the draft and cause a stir on draft day...which means they'll stay put at 19, Lito will still be on the team, and he'll bitch and moan all year.
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BFF!
Quote from: Munson on March 31, 2008, 06:01:18 AM
Maybe trade down into late round 1 to pick Phillips and get a first round pick for next year? Then trade Lito and your 2nd rounder to get back into late round one again early 2nd round to pick whoever.
Why would a team with a pick between 20-32 trade that pick plus next years 1st rounder for 19? The difference between 19 and 30 isn't really much considering the players available.
PFT is saying the eagles might move Lito for a first next year, i just dont see them getting that type of value
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 31, 2008, 02:45:52 PM
PFT is saying the eagles might move Lito for a first next year, i just dont see them getting that type of value
I'd rather they keep Lito as a nickel corner and punt returner for 2008 and outright release him. This is not "build for the future" year. This is "make one last run with Donnie Mac" year.
fargers.
Is there any chance we can put the absurd notion that Lito will be an Eagle in 2008 to bed forever? Please??
We'll put it to rest as soon as he's traded or you're dead.
QuoteThe NFL today awarded the Eagles three compensatory picks in next month's draft. The compensatory picks were awarded based on the Eagles' free-agent signings and losses last year. Before last season, the Eagles lost Shawn Barber, Jeff Garcia, Roderick Hood, Michael Lewis, Donte' Stallworth and signed Kevin Curtis, Ian Scott
The Eagles now have 11 draft picks:
First round, 19th overall
Second round, 49th overall
Third round, 80th overall
Fourth round, 115th overall
Fourth round, 131st overall (compensatory)
Fifth round, 152nd overall
Sixth round, 184th overall
Sixth round, 191st overall (from Cleveland)
Sixth round, 200th overall (compensatory)
Sixth round, 203rd overall (compensatory)
Seventh round, 230th overall (from Seattle)
The league awarded a total of 32 compensatory to 15 teams.
Under terms of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in a year is eligible to receive compensatory picks.
The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four.
Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by the formula.
Not bad, a 2nd fourth rounder that could be used as a chip in a trade offer.
Quote from: Munson on March 31, 2008, 04:45:27 PM
Not bad, a 2nd fourth rounder that could be used as a chip in a trade offer.
you cant trade compensatory picks
I guess I should have been more specific...they now have two 4th rounders so they could trade the regular one in a deal and still have another pick in the 4th.
Quote from: Munson on March 31, 2008, 04:47:36 PM
I guess I should have been more specific...they now have two 4th rounders so they could trade the regular one in a deal and still have another pick in the 4th.
Not more specific. More accurate.
I'm betting two of those 6th rounders will make the team.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 31, 2008, 07:16:26 PM
I'm betting two of those 6th rounders will make the team.
i am betting one of them is a figure skater.
Will he wear an 8, then?
Quote from: General_Failure on March 31, 2008, 07:16:26 PM
I'm betting two of those 6th rounders will make the team.
which two? my money is on the Clevlenad pick and the second compensatory.
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Sixth round, 184th overall
Sixth round, 191st overall (from Cleveland)
Sixth round, 200th overall (compensatory)
Sixth round, 203rd overall (compensatory)
Seventh round, 230th overall (from Seattle)
oh goodie, we get to watch these five picks go by on the ESPN ticker at 90 mph in the waning moments of the draft.
Then none of those guys make the roster, but we keep three or four RFAs.
I've never really gotten that bit.....
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080401_Lito_Sheppard_s_future_in_limbo.html
QuoteA league source said yesterday that the Eagles have asked at least one team for a first-round draft choice in exchange for Sheppard, a hefty price tag for a player who has missed 14 games in the last three seasons because of injuries. The same source, however, said he would rather have Sheppard than DeAngelo Hall, the former Atlanta Falcons cornerback who was traded to the Oakland Raiders last week for a second-round draft pick this year and a fifth-rounder next year.
An Eagles source said that second- and fifth-round picks would be the least the team should expect in return for Sheppard. Another team source has consistently said that the offers the Eagles have received for Sheppard have been good enough that it remains likely the team will trade the cornerback
Quote from: Munson on March 31, 2008, 04:47:36 PM
I guess I should have been more specific...they now have two 4th rounders so they could trade the regular one in a deal and still have another pick in the 4th.
the compenatory pick is 4th round in name only...its really a 5th rounder...it doesnt give the eagles much protection in trading away their real 4th rounder as you are making it sound...if youre gonna make point youre trying to make it would make more sense to say they now can trade their 5th rounder
He was covering the fact he didn't know (or forgot) that compensatory picks are not able to be traded.
It was a valiant effort indeed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 01, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
He was covering the fact he didn't know (or forgot) that compensatory picks are not able to be traded.
It was a valiant effort indeed.
i figured i'd let you guys do that
The Eagles should just shut the farg up about Sheppard until he's dealt. The inside sources bullshtein is retarded but not nearly as retarded as Reid saying that "Lito's still an Eagle" with that walrus-like smirk on his face.
Quote from: Rome on April 01, 2008, 11:44:34 AM
The Eagles should just shut the farg up about Sheppard until he's dealt. The inside sources bullshtein is retarded but not nearly as retarded as Reid saying that "Lito's still an Eagle" with that walrus-like smirk on his face.
You know that 98% of the time that a story like that is out there, it's to benefit them in some way, so it may not be as retarded as you think. Also, since this will irritate you...
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/11/05/PH2007110501839.jpg)
"Lito's still an Eagle"
Eagles re-signed restricted free agent CB Joselio Hanson to a one-year, $1.417 million contract.
So, he makes roughly 3 times what Cole Hamels makes.
I bet he pitches better than Eaton.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 01, 2008, 01:45:44 PM
I bet he pitches better than Eaton.
I pitch better than Eaton.
Underhand.
This rumor just won't go away:
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../1989/frontpage
QuoteAmong the rumors circulating at the meetings was the Packers' apparent interest in veteran quarterbacks A.J. Feeley of the Philadelphia Eagles and J.P. Losman of the Buffalo Bills.
Both are under contract, but have been the subject of trade rumors.
The Packers are interested in a veteran backup for first-year starter Aaron Rodgers.
"It'd be nice, I suppose, because there's an advantage to some experience," Thompson said, "but I think more important it's to find a guy who can play if we need him to step in."
Feeley and Lito for Greg Jennings.
Sold.
QuoteRumors persist that Bengals WR Chad Johnson could be traded to Philadelphia or Dallas. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones - though not mentioning Johnson by name, which would violate NFL tampering rules - said he is interested in acquiring a veteran wide receiver. "Picks for players get good value," Jones said. "Players are depreciated right now right before the draft. Picks are premium." Word around the league meeting is the Eagles would be interested in trading cornerback Lito Sheppard for Johnson.
http://msn.foxsports.com/rumors/nfl
Yes please. Throw in a pick and get it done.
Chad Johnson >>>>>>>>> 1st round pick in 2009.
there is no way banner/lurie let another headcase, me first wr come in here. stop.
QuoteStewart Bradley's bright blue eyes sparkle when he talks about the game.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15277&spadaro=1
Breathtaking prose.
(http://www.the700level.com/images/2007/04/28/bradley_stewart.jpg)
lj just signed his franchise tender
QuoteSMITH SIGNS FRANCHISE TENDER
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2008, 1:37 p.m.
Philadelphia Eagles tight end L.J. Smith was the first player this year to be slapped with the franchise tag.
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Smith has signed the one-year tender. He's now guaranteed to receive a base salary of $4.522 million in 2008.
Once a player signs the franchise tender, he is under contract with the team and is required to participate in training camp and all other mandatory team activities. Also, the player is no longer eligible to receive offers from other teams.
He should count himself the most fortunate man in Philly right now.
and hes still pouting about it
Smith & Sheppard should do a hitch in the service. And by hitch I mean they should volunteer to be mortar catchers.
Quote from: Rome on April 02, 2008, 04:21:43 PM
Smith & Sheppard should do a hitch in the service. And by hitch I mean they should volunteer to be mortar catchers.
Maybe I missed it but does anyone have any quotes from either of these guys stating their unhappiness with the Eagles.
If I were Lito I would want the team to either trust that my injuries are flukey and my ability outweighs them. Look at Buck the man missed how many full seasons and he still has a job and he has never been to a probowl.
If I were L.J. I would be happy with the tender because it gives me another year to up my contract but I would have liked to have the security of a nice signing bonus and the Eagles could have addressed that last off-season. As for his numbers not being whatever you have to take into the acount Reid's offensive philosophy of spreading the ball aroud and the other weapons that have been around him during his career.
QuoteOn if Max Jean-Gilles will challenge Herremans: "You've got a couple of guys in there, Scott (Young) also. There is good competition in there. I think people forgot about Scott. He's a pretty good player. We'll get that whole crew in there."
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://badera.us/hostedimages/middle-finger.jpg)
After that comment he actually said, "that one was for Russell in Bahston."
Hilarious.
1. Thinking about that paycheck thief Scott Young in that NO game still pisses me off to this day. Thanks for bringing his name up. He needs to go sell cars or something. Maybe Norman Braman will give him a job.
2. Cincy ain't trading Johnson. Marvin Lewis came out and said they hold his rights until 2011 and he's going nowhere but on the field as a Bengal or at home while the Bengals hold his rights.
3. McNabb was on the Mike Tirico show today on ESPN Radio and gave a pretty good interview. Aside from Michelle Tafoya's stupid farging questions, Tirico asked him about staying in Philly and if anyone in the organization has committed to him and told him that he is the QB of the team for the future.
He said (paraphrase) "Andy's told me that he's not letting me go anywhere"
And they asked him about playing in Philly and he said that he wants to bring us the championship that he promised and he wants to play his entire career as an Eagle. "I want to wear nothin' but green".
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2008, 09:32:09 PM
And they asked him about playing in Philly and he said that he wants to bring us the championship that he promised and he wants to play his entire career as an Eagle. "I want to wear nothin' but green".
McWoodie....
No doubt.
I'll always be a McNabb fan.
I think Chad is going to be dealt. Marvin Lewis is a total moron who thinks he can still salvage some leverage in a trade, since he's killed a lot of it.
I can't see any way they can keep him in their locker room after an offseason of doing nothing but ripping the team and trying to get traded. That is like trying to salvage a marriage after you walk in on your wife farging another dude.
Then again, it is the Bengals. They don't seem to care about locker room issues after going the criminal route in every draft.
It looks like Chad is going to sit out, and Marvin Lewis says he is ready to "move on" if he does.
Anyone hear the CJ interview over the phone on sportscenter? CJ sounds really pissed, and his relationship with Lewis is probably beyond fixing.
i wonder what mcnabb thinks about this black on black crime
nm
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2008, 09:32:09 PM
And they asked him about playing in Philly and he said that he wants to bring us the championship that he promised and he wants to play his entire career as an Eagle. "I want to wear nothin' but green".
He's getting traded to the Jets?
They could use a quarterback.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
QuoteTHOMAS CHANGES NAME . . . AGAINPosted by Mike Florio on April 3, 2008, 9:19 a.m.
Last year, Eagles tackle Tra Thomas changed his name to William Thomas.
He's now changing his name back to Tra.Sheesh.
As we pointed out in a recent One-Liner, Eagles defensive end Juqua Thomas recently changed his name to Juqua Parker. Former Eagles cornerback William Peterson previously changed his name to William James.
In order to better relate to his players, we suggest that coach Andy Reid change his name as well.
How about T-Bone? (Hopefully it hasn't already been claimed.)
thats not true is it? juqua parker?
I never stopped calling him Tra.
So there.
T-Bone.
ha
I say we try to get Chris Henry.
When we play Dallas it would be like a prison yard fight.
i will be at the Novacare complex tomorrow in some kind of punt, pass, and kick competition. hopefully it's going to be me and 4 of my 30-year old friends against some teenagers. and i'll be getting a tour of the place and eating dinner with some players.
I can't wait to meet Hank Baskett. Did you know that he had two receptions of over 80 yards as a rookie?!
Embrace the future. He's like Larry Fitzgerald without any talent or athletic ability.
And he comes cheap. You know, so we can save money to not pay Westbrook what he's actually worth.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 08, 2008, 10:09:23 AM
i will be at the Novacare complex tomorrow in some kind of punt, pass, and kick competition. hopefully it's going to be me and 4 of my 30-year old friends against some teenagers. and i'll be getting a tour of the place and eating dinner with some players.
Don't forget to compliment Joselio on his junk.
Wouldn't gagging on it in the handicapped stall be complimentary enough?
QuoteESPN BENGALS VIDEO RAISES EYEBROWS
Posted by Mike Florio on April 10, 2008, 9:32 a.m.
As the 2008 draft approaches, the folks at ESPN are putting each team "on the clock," via brief video discussions about what each team should be looking to do in the upcoming effort to bring in new talent from the college ranks.
On Wednesday, however, several readers noticed something strange. In the version of the Bengals "on the clock" video that was posted on ESPN.com, the guys spoke as if receiver Chad Johnson is no longer a member of the team. The video has since been taken down.
But the actual video that aired on SportsCenter didn't refer to Ocho Stinko in the past tense.
Our guess? They taped two of the segments in the event that the Bengals opted to trade Johnson before the date on which the segment aired, and the wrong one got posted on ESPN.com.
OMG itz a dun deel hes a bird go team
So some web intern at ESPN screws up, and this makes news?
It doesn't take much to make PFT.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 12:34:56 PM
It doesn't take much to make PFT.
i still don't see why florio deems it necessary to say "birds going after wideout omgz!1)] every other week. we bring someone in, big deal. but why he reports us and hardly anyone else having draft visits baffles me.
then he goes birds looking at wr - could be smokescreen - birds tried to get wr (and failed) ... he wrote that twice.
we got a hater!!
No shtein. He's a skins fan.
phatty's favorite mock draft expert's latest take on the Eagles:
QuotePick: Jeff Otah
The Eagles are a team that could draft the best available player, as they don't have many glaring needs. They could use a big play wide receiver and Devin Thomas and DeSean Jackson fit that need. But the Eagles have two aging OTs, Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas, and drafting a young player like Jeff Otah is a move the Eagles will most likely make.
Awesome.
It's amazing that a team that's never won the Super Bowl and finished last in the division 2 of the last 3 seasons has very few glaring needs.
It's even more amazing that Ed gave that farging idiot his own forum on the EMB.
Ban Ed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 01:21:01 PM
It's amazing that a team that's never won the Super Bowl and finished last in the division 2 of the last 3 seasons has very few glaring needs.
how do even define "dont have many"...like would three glaring needs be more than many?
to me if youre going for the superbowl one glaring need is to many and should be addressed as aggresively as possible
so my buddies and i won the punt, pass and kick competition at the novacare complex last night. it helped that the other 4 kids on our team were about 17 years old and big dudes.
got a bunch of nice eagles swag and met jr reed, stewart bradley, brent celek, jamaal jackson, and sean considine.
fun night.
did you farg up considine?
Please tell me you made a fence-jumping joke to Reed and asked Considine if he honestly thought he was making the team this year.
someone douche did ask jr about his injury and how it affected his 40 time and he was like um, i haven't ran a 40 since the combine. i wanted to sneak up behind him while he was eating and start barking and see what happens but i pussed.
and considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
Well, that's not saying much. After all, we have near-pros on this board. MURP is basically the same as Josh Parry, and Munson ran a 4.46.
munson?...or do you mean the white desean jackson
Munson's white?!?!?
all you can eat cheesesteaks holla.
Were any left after coach Reid had lunch?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 03:02:56 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
Well, that's not saying much. After all, we have near-pros on this board. MURP is basically the same as Josh Parry, and Munson ran a 4.46.
You forgot that Phreak played against Tommie Harris and MURP was the first person to intercept one of Jeff Smoker's passes in HS.
Quote from: Rome on April 10, 2008, 01:23:47 PM
It's even more amazing that Ed gave that farging idiot his own forum on the EMB.
Ban Ed.
ha.....he showed up one day talking about the draft and Spadaro thought it deserved its own section. I had nothing to do with that one.
Anyone catch McNabb at Syracuse for a charity thing yesterday? He says that "now that Eli has his Super Bowl ring, it's my turn to win one"....
Nice to know McNabb thought Eli deserved to get one first.
Mentally weak.
steubs 4 eva.
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/46/469810.jpg)
haha
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 10, 2008, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 03:02:56 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
Well, that's not saying much. After all, we have near-pros on this board. MURP is basically the same as Josh Parry, and Munson ran a 4.46.
You forgot that Phreak played against Tommie Harris and MURP was the first person to intercept one of Jeff Smoker's passes in HS.
I once stuffed Rocket Ismael behind the line & beat real-life David Akers in Madden 2003 with a field goal from a virtual David Akers. This board is filled with athletes & cyber-athletes alike.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 10, 2008, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2008, 03:02:56 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
Well, that's not saying much. After all, we have near-pros on this board. MURP is basically the same as Josh Parry, and Munson ran a 4.46.
You forgot that Phreak played against Tommie Harris and MURP was the first person to intercept one of Jeff Smoker's passes in HS.
And I work with a guy whose Dad played for the Eagles and coached Ryan Moats. And the guy I work with also played for Texas A&M. Does that count?
I dunked on some kid today.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2008, 11:29:49 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 10, 2008, 05:17:35 PM
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Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
Well, that's not saying much. After all, we have near-pros on this board. MURP is basically the same as Josh Parry, and Munson ran a 4.46.
You forgot that Phreak played against Tommie Harris and MURP was the first person to intercept one of Jeff Smoker's passes in HS.
And I work with a guy whose Dad played for the Eagles and coached Ryan Moats. And the guy I work with also played for Texas A&M. Does that count?
I coulda sworn you said something about playing a game against Drew Henson or Hutchison or one of them other bums the Cowboys brought in.
My brother-in-law got told off by Duce. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
My son attended Timmy Chang's football camp in January.
oh and Mosi Tatupu was my PE teacher in fifth grade.
My cousin dated the bouncer chick that was flashed by Mike Mamula.
Quote from: Cerevant on April 11, 2008, 05:34:11 AM
My cousin dated the bouncer chick that was flashed by Mike Mamula.
Winner.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 11, 2008, 01:27:24 AM
My brother-in-law got told off by Duce. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Murp played pool with him
Ryan Moats bought a car from my dad, then proceded to leave his playbook in the showroom
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Quote from: General_Failure on April 11, 2008, 01:27:24 AM
My brother-in-law got told off by Duce. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Murp played pool with him
My brother-in-law never mentioned playing pool with MURP.
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 10, 2008, 11:23:19 PM
beat real-life David Akers in Madden 2003 with a field goal from a virtual David Akers
That rules.
I beat Sheldon Brown at air hockey before his rookie year and talked shtein to him the whole time....including numerous short jokes.
Quote from: Munson on April 11, 2008, 12:02:14 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2008, 11:29:49 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 10, 2008, 05:17:35 PM
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Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
Well, that's not saying much. After all, we have near-pros on this board. MURP is basically the same as Josh Parry, and Munson ran a 4.46.
You forgot that Phreak played against Tommie Harris and MURP was the first person to intercept one of Jeff Smoker's passes in HS.
And I work with a guy whose Dad played for the Eagles and coached Ryan Moats. And the guy I work with also played for Texas A&M. Does that count?
I coulda sworn you said something about playing a game against Drew Henson or Hutchison or one of them other bums the Cowboys brought in.
Nope, Tommie Harris and Michael Jameson are the cats I played against.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2008, 03:04:51 PM
munson?...or do you mean the white desean jackson
Hahahaha.... :-D :-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 11, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
I beat Sheldon Brown at air hockey before his rookie year and talked shtein to him the whole time....including numerous short jokes.
Beermonkey >>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Munson's actual 40 time
I did shots with Mike Reichenbach & Byron Evans at Maloney's in Margate. Rich Gannon was there too but he was a flag. He didn't drink alcohol but he did make a pass at one of my wife's girlfriends, though, which was funny because she's a lesbian.
I asked Tom Heckert if the Eagles were pursuing Ashley Lelie.
I helped Mike Zordich dump a hooker into the Delaware.
Quote from: Rome on April 11, 2008, 12:26:07 PM
I did shots with Mike Reichenbach & Byron Evans at Maloney's in Margate. Rich Gannon was there too but he was a flag. He didn't drink alcohol but he did make a pass at one of my wife's girlfriends, though, which was funny because she's a lesbian.
Reichenbach was my little brother's highschool football coach before my lil bro transferred.
my cousin got a base hit off of Jamie Moyer in high school
Quote from: SunMo on April 11, 2008, 01:02:39 PM
my cousin got a base hit off of Jamie Moyer in high school
So, your cousin started collecting Social Security this year?
Shut up. All of you.
Freaks
I bet Sean Taylor that it was impossible to catch a bullet with your crank.
He won.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2008, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 11, 2008, 12:02:14 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2008, 11:29:49 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 10, 2008, 05:17:35 PM
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Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
Well, that's not saying much. After all, we have near-pros on this board. MURP is basically the same as Josh Parry, and Munson ran a 4.46.
You forgot that Phreak played against Tommie Harris and MURP was the first person to intercept one of Jeff Smoker's passes in HS.
And I work with a guy whose Dad played for the Eagles and coached Ryan Moats. And the guy I work with also played for Texas A&M. Does that count?
I coulda sworn you said something about playing a game against Drew Henson or Hutchison or one of them other bums the Cowboys brought in.
Nope, Tommie Harris and Michael Jameson are the cats I played against.
That's pretty cool. Being from Delaware I didn't really play against anyone of note....Played against Devon Still, and the only person who might care about that at this point is FF since he was part of the PSU recruiting class last year.
And the kid that was the FB when we won our first state title is now a senior LB at either WVU or VT, can't remember which one.
In high school I played football with a former Eagles linebacker, but it was so long ago I doubt anyone here besides '64' would remember who it was and I don't even want to say when it was. Half you guys probably weren't even born yet.
Just watched "In Their Own Words" on NFLN with Chad Johnson. God damn I hope the Birds get that dude, some way, somehow. He was saying in the show that his motivation was to be one of the best all time, and win at least one Super Bowl. He talked about what Rice, Moss, T.O, and Harrison have done and how he wants to go achieve that. Let him achieve it here.
Showed him playing golf with Palmer, hanging out at Lewis' house, and hanging out with special needs kids and fans in the stand during pre-game. The dude is a showboat, but I really believe he's no bipolar headcase ala T.O.
Quote from: shorebird on April 11, 2008, 05:44:54 PM
In high school I played football with a former Eagles linebacker, but it was so long ago I doubt anyone here besides '64' would remember who it was and I don't even want to say when it was. Half you guys probably weren't even born yet.
Chuck Bednarik?
Quentin Caver.
I met 'HeHateMe' at a bar once, and said "I love you, man."
I'll give you a hint, his nickname was 'The Bodysnatcher.'
Quote from: Father Demon on April 11, 2008, 11:26:37 PM
I met 'HeHateMe' at a bar once, and said "I love you, man."
Did you meet Christian Okoye with me and Chuggie when we were in KC? I know you were in the bar with us, just don't remember if you came over with us and met him. Cool dude.
I met a bunch of Packers players this year when they were in KC to play the Chiefs. They were staying at the same hotel we held our birthday ball in and they were all in the lobby checking in at the same time I showed up. Met Al Harris, Atari Bigby, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, and a few other guys I didn't know. No Favre though. They smuggle him through the service entrance or something.
I got trashed later that night and got in the elevator and went to every floor looking for him sometime after midnight. Somewhere around the 18th floor I was greeted by 2 large gentlemen when the doors opened and I asked them where the hell Favre was. They basically threw me back in the elevator and told me if I didn't take it directly to the lobby that they'd have me arrested.
Good times.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
someone douche did ask jr about his injury and how it affected his 40 time and he was like um, i haven't ran a 40 since the combine. i wanted to sneak up behind him while he was eating and start barking and see what happens but i pussed.
and considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
The best part of the evening was during the Q&A with the players. Considine tried to tackle some questions but they bounced right off of him.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 12, 2008, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
someone douche did ask jr about his injury and how it affected his 40 time and he was like um, i haven't ran a 40 since the combine. i wanted to sneak up behind him while he was eating and start barking and see what happens but i pussed.
and considine up close looks like less of a football player than some people on this board.
The best part of the evening was during the Q&A with the players. Considine tried to tackle some questions but he bounced right off of them.
fixed
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 10, 2008, 11:16:19 PM
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/46/469810.jpg)
Hahahaha. Read this below - an actual quote from him talking about his playing days:
QuoteAbsolutely, I played WR and CB. I didn't have the best size, 5-10, 175 in my prime, but I was fast. I ran a 4.45, 40 and had good ball skills. I like to think I was a student of the game. I wasn't a star player, but a good player. I had good fundamentals and understood my assignments. My biggest weakness was my size and I wasn't very physical. I was more of a finesse player.
I was actually a better basketball player than football player, but I grew up around football and just fell in love with the game.
Steuber > Munson
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 12, 2008, 09:06:56 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 11, 2008, 11:26:37 PM
I met 'HeHateMe' at a bar once, and said "I love you, man."
Did you meet Christian Okoye with me and Chuggie when we were in KC? I know you were in the bar with us, just don't remember if you came over with us and met him. Cool dude.
I met a bunch of Packers players this year when they were in KC to play the Chiefs. They were staying at the same hotel we held our birthday ball in and they were all in the lobby checking in at the same time I showed up. Met Al Harris, Atari Bigby, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, and a few other guys I didn't know. No Favre though. They smuggle him through the service entrance or something.
I got trashed later that night and got in the elevator and went to every floor looking for him sometime after midnight. Somewhere around the 18th floor I was greeted by 2 large gentlemen when the doors opened and I asked them where the hell Favre was. They basically threw me back in the elevator and told me if I didn't take it directly to the lobby that they'd have me arrested.
Good times.
You wanted to run your fingers through He Flag Me and Bigby's dreadlocks didn't you.
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2008, 11:35:38 AM
Hahahaha. Read this below - an actual quote from him talking about his playing days:
QuoteAbsolutely, I played WR and CB. I didn't have the best size, 5-10, 175 in my prime, but I was fast. I ran a 4.45, 40 and had good ball skills. I like to think I was a student of the game. I wasn't a star player, but a good player. I had good fundamentals and understood my assignments. My biggest weakness was my size and I wasn't very physical. I was more of a finesse player.
I was actually a better basketball player than football player, but I grew up around football and just fell in love with the game.
Steuber > Munson
That's one of the worst things ever.
I rode the short bus to school with jonathan taylor thomas (true story).
if lito is only worth a 3rd, i say keep him, make this defense legit, then andy can only farg up so much and we could still win games.
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2008, 11:35:38 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 10, 2008, 11:16:19 PM
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/46/469810.jpg)
Hahahaha. Read this below - an actual quote from him talking about his playing days:
QuoteAbsolutely, I played WR and CB. I didn't have the best size, 5-10, 175 in my prime, but I was fast. I ran a 4.45, 40 and had good ball skills. I like to think I was a student of the game. I wasn't a star player, but a good player. I had good fundamentals and understood my assignments. My biggest weakness was my size and I wasn't very physical. I was more of a finesse player.
I was actually a better basketball player than football player, but I grew up around football and just fell in love with the game.
Steuber > Munson
This makes me sad.
The reality is thata 4.45 40 time isn't that fast for dudes as small as me. I'm more impressed when NFL guys, being like 6'2 200 pounds, can run a 4.4 flat. It's ridiculous how atheletic you have to be to still be that fast/quick at that size.
Please stop.
Nope.
You can believe whatever you like Romey, I don't mind. I'll just enjoy how worked up you all get about it. OMGZ INTERENTS. HE CAN'T BE ATHLETIC NEVERRRRR. I ARE SO ANGRY.
Getting back on topic...where did it say that Lito is only worth a 3rd rounder? I find it hard to believe a former first round pick that has played at a Pro Bowl level can only get you a 3rd. That would suck.
I can run the 40 in 4.2. And I'm 6'4" and 37 years old. I don't see what the big deal is.
You do mean 40 feet, right?
Munson is what is wrong with humanity.
somebody should really do something about that
When you think about people that have the least to lose by murdering Munson, Munson is on the top of the list.
Maybe if we start a "fleshpop comparison" contest, he won't be able to resist to prove he's better.
ie:
"I can totally wrap a belt around my neck and hang for 27 minutes without dying!"
or
"I can sever my femoral artery with a chef's knife and then run a marathon in under 2 hours!"
This is going to turn into one of those deals where we all wind up on the news:
"Local lying douche commits suicide. Internet based discussion board comprised mostly awesome and good looking people are to blame."
I can totally deal with that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2008, 12:51:14 PM
You wanted to run your fingers through He Flag Me and Bigby's dreadlocks didn't you.
When they weren't looking, I pulled a knife out of my pocket and cut of a few locks for myself. I sleep with them under my pillow everynight.
Quote from: PPinDC on April 13, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
This is going to turn into one of those deals where we all wind up on the news:
"Local lying douche commits suicide. Internet based discussion board comprised mostly awesome and good looking people are to blame."
I can totally deal with that.
Haha unlike you fargtards I don't get all worked up about what people think of me on the internet. Like I said you can believe what you want to, I know it hurts your fragile man ego that someone was a better athlete then you at one point or another. Hell I probably still am the last athletic thing I did was chase a Latin car theif with a baseball bat. Close enough.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 12, 2008, 06:39:36 PM
I can run the 40 in 4.2. And I'm 6'4" and 37 years old. I don't see what the big deal is.
You do mean 40 feet, right?
I run the 4.2 in 40. OK, you got me, it was wind aided.
Quote from: Munson on April 14, 2008, 04:04:33 AM
Haha unlike you fargtards I don't get all worked up about what people think of me on the internet.
Yet you continue to go on about it for two weeks...I know when I don't care about something I repeatedly say the same thing over and over and defend myself.
Hahahaha
Quote from: PPinDC on April 13, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
This is going to turn into one of those deals where we all wind up on the news:
"Local lying douche commits suicide. Internet based discussion board comprised mostly awesome and good looking people are to blame."
Degenerates mount up!
who is this one you call "munson" .....telll him i hate him!
Quotethe last athletic thing I did was chase a Latin car theif with a baseball bat.
wtf are you talking about?
Quote from: RezRob on April 14, 2008, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: PPinDC on April 13, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
This is going to turn into one of those deals where we all wind up on the news:
"Local lying douche commits suicide. Internet based discussion board comprised mostly awesome and good looking people are to blame."
Degenerates mount up!
No thanks, I'll wait until Warren G sends out the call.
Mussa, for the love of farg, stop giving him a reason to respond. Jesus.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 14, 2008, 09:37:59 PM
Mussa, for the love of farg, stop giving him a reason to respond. Jesus.
Mm. I do luv me sum farg. With women. Naturally.
:paranoid
Falcons WR Brian Finneran (knee surgery) has not been cleared for minicamps.
Finneran, who's missed two straight years now, somewhat surprisingly wasn't part of Atlanta's roster purge in the winter. The 32-year-old will really have to impress in post-draft workouts to have any chance of making the roster.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Quote from: reese125 on April 15, 2008, 11:14:55 AM
Falcons WR Brian Finneran (knee surgery) has not been cleared for minicamps.
Finneran, who's missed two straight years now, somewhat surprisingly wasn't part of Atlanta's roster purge in the winter. The 32-year-old will really have to impress in post-draft workouts to have any chance of making the roster.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution
LINK (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?board=1.0)
damn..I guess we are off the bandwagon..my bad
Houshmandzadeh says Johnson has to be dealt (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3351518)
Boners.
co-sign.
Man, it's going to get ugly. I'm wondering, no matter how good he is, do we really want to see him playing for the the Eagles? Also, with all the crap going on, imo, no way in the world does Reid want him. Not after all the crap that went on with TO.
If it was me, I'd have to try him just to keep him away from Dallas or Washington.
Mosher (Delaware News Journal) (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080418/SPORTS/80418026/1002)
QuoteJets' Robertson meets with Eagles
By GEOFF MOSHER • The News Journal • April 18, 2008
PHILADELPHIA – With the NFL Draft around the corner, Eagles coach Andy Reid is still seeking options to continue building his team.
Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, a No. 4 overall pick in 2003, visited the NovaCare Complex recently to meet with the Eagles and take a physical, according to two league sources.
The Eagles can't comment on Robertson, who is still property of the Jets but became trade bait when New York switched to a 3-4 defensive alignment this off-season and signed Kris Jenkins to play nose tackle.
Robertson, listed by the Jets' Web site as 6-foot-1, 317 pounds, was also in conversations with at least four other teams, said one source, who couldn't confirm if the Eagles had made an offer to the Jets. The Eagles have 11 picks in the draft, which starts next Saturday, and could pick up more if they deal cornerback Lito Sheppard. The Denver Broncos are also reportedly seeking the sixth-year Jet's services.
It's unknown how Robertson would feel about competing for a starting job in Philadelphia. The Eagles already have two young first-round picks at defensive tackle in fourth-year left tackle Mike Patterson and third-year right tackle Brodrick Bunkley. A source also said Robertson's contract would have to be restructured. Robertson, who signed a seven-year, $54 million rookie contract, is slated to make $6.8 million in 2008, with a $3 million roster bonus due in June and is reportedly costing the Jets $12 million against the cap.
In 2003, Robertson became the first Jets rookie defensive lineman to start every game since Marty Lyons in 1970. He has started 60 regular-season games and three playoff games. The former University of Kentucky standout has 14.5 career sacks and has never made a Pro Bowl.
What are we talking here? A 5th or a 4th rounder? We need another DT, and he's better than anyone we'd be drafting in the 5th or 4th.
QuoteRobertson would likely be an upgrade over Montae Reagor and LaJuan Ramsey.
Now THAT is high praise.
Quote from: King Cole on April 18, 2008, 05:41:44 PM
What are we talking here? A 5th or a 4th rounder? We need another DT, and he's better than anyone we'd be drafting in the 5th or 4th.
The Jets probably aren't going to settle for less than what the Bills gave up for Kris Jenkins or what the Browns gave up for Shaun Rogers--3rd and 5th round picks.
He is a good player but he is not the caliber player of Rogers or Jenkins.
Holy shtein. A bobbyinlondon sighting.
I am 10000% for getting Robertson. Like Vilma (farg YOU ANDY REID FOR NOT GETTING HIM TOO) he is not suited for that defense. A trio of him, Bunkley and Potterson would be pimp tight.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 18, 2008, 06:07:59 PM
He is a good player but he is not the caliber player of Rogers or Jenkins.
I agree. I don't think his compensation is equal to either. I would not give a 3rd for him.
I wonder if Lito is part of that potential trade?
If Lito is part of the deal, when we better be getting their 2nd in return.
If not, then sickening.
I still don't think it would make any sense to deal Lito now though. At this point you might as well wait until draft day, so you can be 100% sure you are getting max return.
Lito + pick
for
Robertson and Justin Miller
I'd love that
robertson is worth a 3rd round pick.
Team Patterson is ready to throw support behind someone else.
Patterson's a role player and shouldn't be starting.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 18, 2008, 07:19:04 PM
robertson is worth a 3rd round pick.
Not with his health risks he isn't.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 18, 2008, 06:08:14 PM
Holy shtein. A bobbyinlondon sighting.
more please
Quote from: rjs246 on April 18, 2008, 06:08:14 PM
Holy shtein. A bobbyinlondon sighting.
Yeah, I haven't been around for a while. I've been lurking--just not posting. I was extremely dissatisfied with how last season went. For my 50th birthday last year, my wife let me make the trip to Dallas to see the Eagles game in December. Of course, I then had to stop in Tennessee to see my cousin and in Florida to see my mom and aunt. But in all the airports I was in, I ran into Eagles fans--they all asked how I felt about the season, etc. This year, I'm going to Philly for the Falcons game in October; I'll be there from the 23rd-27th.
Welcome back Bobby.
Its amazing how many Philly fans you see when you travel. I always wear some Philly stuff when I am on the planes and I'll get people coming up to me all the time to talk sports.
a) Welcome back Bobby. You always have a good perspective on Eagle stuff.
b) No idea you were an old geezer
c) You should make the Cincy game
d) Agree with Phreak. I always wear Philly stuff too, and I get a ton of conversations out of it. Usually good hearted smack talk, but 99% of the time friendly. 50% of the time from fellow Philly fans.
there isnt more philly fans than other big cities and theres a lot less than places like ny but the difference is philly is all about sports its their entire life and thus they will have no qualms about letting you know they are a philly fan...they are much more vocal about it than any other place...
its pretty much the mecca of sports
yeah that too
(http://www.skylightweb.com/losangeles/people_files/smbeach02_008.jpg)
Mexican Munson?
Story on Jamaal Jackson's training (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080420/SPORTS02/804200373/1022)
Quote"First day, I quit. It was that rough," Jackson said. "I physically thought I was going to die. I hadn't felt like that in so long. I was on the ground. I couldn't get up. I sat down for like 20 minutes. No, I laid there for 20 minutes. Then, after the test, when he told me he had trained Marion Barber and he threw up, I was like, 'What am I getting into?' "
It didn't take long for results to show. Jackson shed 15 pounds and recently weighed in at 320. Eight weeks after having his body quit on him, Jackson retook the test and scored higher in every category
QuoteJackson plans to add 10 pounds of muscle before training camp begins in late July, when he expects to battle for his job at Lehigh University. Right now, the Eagles have just one reserve center -- third-year pro Nick Cole, who, like Jackson, wasn't drafted and signed as a rookie free agent. Cole, used sparingly, has never started an NFL game.
Regardless, Jackson still is haunted by last season's letdowns, and despite the seven-year contract extension he signed in 2006 on the eve of training camp -- a deal that led to incumbent center Hank Fraley being traded to Cleveland -- Jackson believes he can lose the job as quickly as he earned it.
All it takes is one hungry, dedicated prospect with the same shoulder chip Jackson carried in 2003, when all 32 teams bypassed him in the draft. Maybe it will be Cole. Maybe it will be someone Reid drafts next weekend.
"I could go out tomorrow and break my ankle. I won't be here next year," Jackson said. "They can draft somebody and it can be, 'Well, let's just throw him in there.' Like they did with me."
QuoteJackson recalled a sack he allowed to Justin Tuck in the first quarter, the first of New York's 12 and Tuck's two. Tuck had lined up across from Jackson, worked a move to the outside but spun quickly back inside. Jackson couldn't regain his footing in time and watched Tuck breeze by before taking down McNabb.
That's when the alarm sounded.
"I tried to recover, but I couldn't recover," Jackson said, "which was a lack of not being in better shape."
Sounds like the alarm went off inside of his head and he has a little fire in his ass. Guess we won't know until camp opens up but I like the attitude he's approaching everything with.
He definitely looked, uh, trimmer when we saw him last week. Still freaking massive, but definitely didn't look like a 340 lb. behemoth.
I think Jackson is ok, But he's no Lecharles Bentley
dre rosenhaus was on sportscenter this morning talking about his players who want trades....i was expecting the mention of shockey and chad johnson (and he did mention them) but he also threw in anquan boldin's name in.
said there is a lot of interest for these guys. referring to the bengals case said some teams are already making offers which will be hard for them to turn down.
GET BOLDIN!
call me crazy but i'd take Boldin over Ocho, just for the fact that he's not crazy.
i would too
he's younger and not a problem
Not me. Give me the old crazy, dyed mohawk, gold front, foot racing horses douchebag.
No.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 20, 2008, 08:32:44 PM
call me crazy but i'd take Boldin over Ocho, just for the fact that he's not crazy.
thats not crazy i'd take that and two slaps across my fargin mounth caus i likes yea...
Um...
Rumor from WFAN:
Lito + #49 for Robertson + #36
how about roy williams
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 20, 2008, 10:44:39 PM
Rumor from WFAN:
Lito + #49 for Robertson + #36
knew the eagles could make it happen. :-\
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 20, 2008, 10:44:39 PM
Rumor from WFAN:
Lito + #49 for Robertson + #36
I hope there's more than that involved. I'd rather take a straight 2nd for him.
Jets fans love the deal (http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=31881)
good, make patterson ride the pine.
either way we still can't get in the endzone offensively.
Robertson is worth a fifth-rounder tops. He was well on his way to being cut in June. The real question is how much he's willing to rework his contract. He's due a ridiculous $9.8 million this year and $8.3 million next year.
DeAngelo Hall was worth a #5 and a #2. I guess Lito is worth a #5 and moving up 13 picks in the second round.
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on April 20, 2008, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 20, 2008, 08:32:44 PM
call me crazy but i'd take Boldin over Ocho, just for the fact that he's not crazy.
thats not crazy i'd take that and two slaps across my fargin mounth caus i likes yea...
Yeah, so which one do you want?
As far as the Lito to the Jets deal, that is a pretty horrible trade, they need to get something else along with that.
I want Robertson.
But I am not sure if giving up Lito AND a pick for him makes sense. Lito for Robertson and a #2? I'd be okay with that.
Lito and a 5th maybe.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2008, 01:17:57 AM
Lito for Robertson and a #2? I'd be okay with that.
ya think?
at this point it sounds like lito for a second would be a good deal
I'd pass, you'll get more desperate teams saturday and sunday, and worst case scenerio, tell Lito that he's stuck.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2008, 06:28:57 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2008, 01:17:57 AM
Lito for Robertson and a #2? I'd be okay with that.
ya think?
at this point it sounds like lito for a second would be a good deal
Yep. A mid-2nd was the best-case scenario all along. That said, the Eagles seem to have a raging boner for Robertson.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 21, 2008, 07:01:09 AM
I'd pass, you'll get more desperate teams saturday and sunday, and worst case scenerio, tell Lito that he's stuck.
even if they do this trade i cant imagine it would happen any earlier than friday...no chance they play their hand before then
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2008, 08:04:05 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 21, 2008, 07:01:09 AM
I'd pass, you'll get more desperate teams saturday and sunday, and worst case scenerio, tell Lito that he's stuck.
even if they do this trade i cant imagine it would happen any earlier than friday...no chance they play their hand before then
exactly, if this is the starting point, its going to get better.
I was thinking about Ocho Cinco last night and don't know how he would work with McNabb. McNabb likes to be a clown and Ocho is always thinking endzone dances. I think the team could lose focus with those two. That's why I liked T.O., the guy was intense.
WTF? ocho likes end zones dances and TO doesnt??...TO isnt a clown??
TO is just as much of clown as mcnabb...for the first two months after the eagles acquired TO him and mcnabb went on ever show and gave 1000 interviews where thye both acted like clowns together
the difference is that TO is actually funny sometimes
The professed their love everywhere, it was borderline disgusting
(http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/Terrell%20Owens%20Popcorn%20Dallas.jpg)
TO's a douche, but that picture is still really cool.
it really is....only thing that would make it cooler is if it was a bunch of xanax instead of popcorn
He tried that once, remember?
QuoteEagles | Team interested in Allen?
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:33:01 -0700
John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are a dark horse team that could jump in the mix for the services of Kansas City Chiefs DL Jared Allen. The team could potentially include CB Lito Sheppard and a package of draft picks as the team has four choices between rounds two and four in the NFL Draft, as well as 11 picks overall.
That would be a shocker.
that would be much better
Wouldn't they have to give up two first rounders to land Allen if they signed him to an offer sheet - or is that negotiable?
Whatever. He's one of the best in the NFL. Get him.
eagles would negotiate with allens people come to terms then give the chiefs a package then sign him...the trade would supercede the franchise tag
Supposedly Minnesota's deal involves the #17 pick and a 3rd-rd pick this year or next
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2008, 12:03:45 PM
eagles would negotiate with allens people come to terms then give the chiefs a package then sign him...the trade would supercede the franchise tag
You all just got some knowledge dropped on you.
you know what kind of guaranteed money hes asking for easy?
killa + allen = bliss
I don't see the Eagles giving up two #1's for him but #19 and Sheppard would be an easy pill to swallow. Christ, can you imagine Cole & Allen together on the same line?
Bonerz.
Quote from: Rome on April 21, 2008, 12:10:59 PM
I don't see the Eagles giving up two #1's for him but #19 and Sheppard would be an easy pill to swallow. Christ, can you imagine Cole & Allen together on the same line?
Bonerz.
I'd rather give up less like Lito and the Eagles 2nd or Abiamiri but if that were the deal I could live with it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2008, 01:17:57 AM
I want Robertson.
But I am not sure if giving up Lito AND a pick for him makes sense. Lito for Robertson and a #2? I'd be okay with that.
Lito and a 5th maybe.
Robertson has already failed 2 physicals
Quote from: Rome on April 21, 2008, 12:10:59 PM
Christ, can you imagine Cole & Allen together on the same line?
We were all excited about Kearse and Howard, also. Just saying. Allen could come here and completely suck.
Allen is an off-field nightmare. I'm shocked that the Eagles are interested.
He had 3 DUI's in 4 years. That's not even once per year so don't try and make him out to be some sort of Leonard Little wannabe or something.
i thought he only had two...anyway he quit drinking after the last one and is now straight edge
Has Allen killed anyone yet?
i remember he was drinking O'Dohuls during the HBO show last year
Opposing Quarterbacks HAR HAR HAR.....sorry.
What I don't understand is for those who are all about getting weapons for this year, for one last run with McNabb, why wouldn't you want Allen given a fair price?
Allen would be pretty sick on this defensive line, the only problem then would be depth at DT. I would think Lito and a 2nd is better than a 1st and a 3rd from Minnesota. I wouldn't give up much more than that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2008, 01:14:02 PM
i thought he only had two...anyway he quit drinking after the last one and is now straight edge
He had one in some hick town in Idaho back in 2002 and then he got 2 more within 5 months of each other in 2006 in Leawood, KS.
He has quit drinking though, so you're right about that.
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2008, 01:15:40 PM
i remember he was drinking O'Dohuls during the HBO show last year
i didnt see that but i saw a nfl network show i think that talked about how he was out of strikes and he quit drinking cold turkey and went on some crazy diet to make himself better
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 21, 2008, 01:18:28 PM
Allen would be pretty sick on this defensive line, the only problem then would be depth at DT. I would think Lito and a 2nd is better than a 1st and a 3rd from Minnesota. I wouldn't give up much more than that.
Another thing is that I think that if the Eagles were able to land Allen, it would definately soften the blow of giving up Lito in the trade because the pass rush would be so tremendously improved that the Eagles wouldn't miss his presence as much in the defensive backfield.
pretty sure giving samuel 7 trillion dollars was to off set the loss of lito in the secondary
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2008, 01:23:30 PM
pretty sure giving samuel 7 trillion dollars was to off set the loss of lito in the secondary
Right now the Eagles are 3 deep at corner. So even though Lito might not get as much playing time, if he's traded that's still a big loss to the 2ndary.
Best way to make up for a lack of depth at corner is with a tenacious pass rush.
i agree if you thought it was a possiblity that they were ever going to keep lito and samuel
i didnt
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 21, 2008, 01:18:28 PM
Allen would be pretty sick on this defensive line, the only problem then would be depth at DT. I would think Lito and a 2nd is better than a 1st and a 3rd from Minnesota. I wouldn't give up much more than that.
Lito and a 2nd is not better than a 1st and a 3rd from Minnesota. It's really not even close. The Eagles have literally zero shot of trading Lito at equal value to a 1st rounder. If you want to assign him points from the draft chart, look closer at the mid-late 2nd. That's it.
An All-Pro cornerback and a 2nd rounder is definately better than a 1st and a 3rd.
Especially when you're the Chiefs and could use some major help in the secondary.
but a former all pro corner who cant stay healthy and wants a new contract being traded by a team that has no leverage might not be worth a 1st and 3rd
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 21, 2008, 01:40:08 PM
An All-Pro cornerback and a 2nd rounder is definately better than a 1st and a 3rd.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 21, 2008, 01:41:42 PM
Especially when you're the Chiefs and could use some major help in the secondary.
You guys seriously have delusions about Lito's trade value. Everyone knows the Eagles are going to trade him, no matter how much they try to play the "we might keep him" card. Additionally, he wants a new contract, and he's got a fairly extensive injury history.
I like the Samuel signing as much as anybody, but it cements Lito's trade value firmly out of the first round.
Quick - There Will Be News On Roy Williams
Written by Garry Cobb
Mike Quick who is the analyst for the Eagles games with Merrill Reese says there will be news about Roy Williams before the week is out.
Mike Quick says he thinks the Birds are going to make a major move at the wide receiver position. He talked about Roy Williams and the potential that the Eagles will make a deal to acquire a wide receiver. He says there will be news on Roy Williams before the week is out.
That means the Cowboys, taterskins or the Eagles will probably wind up with the receiver before the week is out.
Mike just finished doing a live interview in a webcast with G. Cobb and Steve Martorano from Infiniti of Westchester and he says the Birds will try to do something this week. They're in a bidding a war right now.,
When asked about the Birds fear of being upstaged by the Phillies, Flyers and Sixers, Mike said he believes the Eagles are going to do something this weekend to take back all the attention.
before the week is out?
goes to Eagles: Boner
goes to Skins: sucks, but they'll farg it up somehow
goes to Dallas: kick me in the nuts till I puke
Quote from: reese125 on April 21, 2008, 02:26:12 PM
before the week is out?
If you consider Sunday the last day of the weekend, then it would be the last day of the week. Even if not, Saturday is day 1 of the draft.
So, he's saying Williams will move by the end of the draft.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 21, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
kick me in the nuts till I puke
Is that a riddle? How many kicks does it take?
Trial and error.
I'm willing to give it a shot, but I think Sarge has dibs on Demon's balls.
They could literally do almost anything in the draft this weekend and I wouldn't care if they got Roy Williams.
Allen on the DL would be tight. A drunk, a pot head and a killa.
Roy Williams would be amazing. That's a no brainer. Give me Williams and I don't care what they farg else they do.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 21, 2008, 03:49:04 PM
They could literally do almost anything in the draft this weekend and I wouldn't care if they got Roy Williams.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2008, 03:49:24 PM
Roy Williams would be amazing. That's a no brainer. Give me Williams and I don't care what they farg else they do.
ditto both.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 21, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
goes to Eagles: Boner
goes to Skins: sucks, but they'll farg it up somehow
goes to Dallas: kick me in the nuts till I puke
agreed on all of the above. Dallas scenario could be the end of Don Ho.
Pizza delivery dudes across the Philly area are holding their collective breath.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 21, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
goes to Eagles: Boner
goes to Skins: sucks, but they'll farg it up somehow
goes to Dallas: kick me in the nuts till I puke
Word. They better do WHATEVER they need to do to keep his ass outta Dallas.
If the Eagles pull this off... I'll literally squirt all over myself and anyone in the room with me.
I'd rather have Williams than anyone else out there. Get him, solidify the pass rush in the draft, and this team is back in contention.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 21, 2008, 04:37:37 PM
Word. They better do WHATEVER they need to do to keep his ass outta Dallas.
If the Eagles pull this off... I'll literally squirt all over myself and anyone in the room with me.
IN
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 21, 2008, 04:37:37 PM
Word. They better do WHATEVER they need to do to keep his ass outta Dallas.
If the Eagles pull this off... I'll literally squirt all over myself and anyone in the room with me.
i'll make sure i'm in jersey if they pull this off then....however that might end up being a worse scenario
Trade Lito and every draft pick for Williams, Allen, and Robertson.
FWIW someone called into Eskin to ask about the Mike Quick/Roy Williams thing and after a commercial break and checking in with his sources, Eskin reported that there has been no contact by the Eagles and the Lions this week. He said there was no validity to that article at all.
He will never admit we want a WR.
It would be great if it turns out to be true. Not only because they would get a stud WR, but because listening to Eskin back-track and try to explain himself would be great.
it's only untrue because eskin didn't break the story.
"Hey nitwit....I never said it wasnt true....I said I dont believe from what I heard...."
Yeah, we can hear it now
I don't think Roy will get dealt though. I do think Chad will, however.
Quote from: King Cole on April 21, 2008, 07:18:55 PM
I don't think Roy will get dealt though. I do think Chad will, however.
Pretty much.
Chances the Bengals trade CJ = 100%
Chances the Eagles do what it takes to get him = 0
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 21, 2008, 07:55:10 PM
Quote from: King Cole on April 21, 2008, 07:18:55 PM
I don't think Roy will get dealt though. I do think Chad will, however.
Pretty much.
Chances the Bengals trade CJ = 100%
Chances the Eagles do what it takes to get him = 0
And thus, the chances that rjs' dog has a hole kicked in him this weekend=100%
Quote from: reese125 on April 21, 2008, 07:11:45 PM
"Hey nitwit....I never said it wasnt true....I said I dont believe from what I heard...."
Yeah, we can hear it now
I lol'd at that so congrats
he's a fleshpop sucker but he doesn't kick his dog douchebag
nm
Quote from: Diomedes on April 21, 2008, 10:00:57 PM
he's a fleshpop sucker but he doesn't kick his dog douchebag
QuoteIf the Eagles aren't the busiest team in the league this weekend trade wise and somehow end up drafting 10 or more players I'm going to kick a hole in my dog.
-RJS
Dio went from plain-old-surly-drunk to try-to-mock-munson-by-defending-rjs-drunk in a few short hours.
Check your technique, hippy.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 21, 2008, 07:55:10 PM
Quote from: King Cole on April 21, 2008, 07:18:55 PM
I don't think Roy will get dealt though. I do think Chad will, however.
Pretty much.
Chances the Bengals trade CJ = 100%
Chances the Eagles do what it takes to get him = 0
Quote
Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports what we've been hearing for weeks — the Cincinnati Bengals will not trade receiver Chad Johnson.
"No matter the offer," Schefter says. "No matter the circumstances. No deal."
Last week, Johnson said that he wants to be traded before the draft. Or after it.
He won't be. Before, during, or after.
The Bengals are proving a point here. Operating under a CBA that no longer permits them to use or enforce the "loyalty clause," Johnson's gross display of disloyalty means that the team will stick it to him whenever and wherever it can.
Basically, Ocho Stinko is caught in Quicko Sando. The more he tries to get out of it, the deeper he sinks.
QuoteLIONS REITERATE ROY WON'T BE TRADED
Posted by Mike Florio on April 21, 2008, 7:45 p.m.
We've picked up some more information about those rumors on GCobb.com that the Philadelphia Eagles will make a move this week for Lions receiver Roy Williams.
The Eagles-based web site says that the Eagles, Cowboys, and taterskins are in the hunt for Williams.
On Monday, however, coach Rod Marinelli and CEO Matt Millen again said that Williams, who is entering the final year of his rookie contract, will not be traded.
As we hear it, the Eagles offered cornerback Lito Sheppard and a draft pick a couple of weeks ago, and the Lions flatly refused.
We're also told that the Eagles have made inquiries regarding Bengals receiver Chad Johnson, to no avail. A media source thinks that Door No. 3 could be Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin.
I wonder how much is a smokescreen (saying they won't be dealt). Common sense says no team will ever come out and say a guy in on the block (see Joe Banner acting like Lito will be here) to keep his value up.
But I wonder how much the Bengals would do just to spite Johnson? WIll they force him to sit like he threatens to do? I think so.
Williams...who knows, Millen is a dumbass.
But I do like that the Eagles are at least inquiring. Making a run at Moss, asking about Williams, Johnson, Fitz and now Boldin possibly....shows me that they are willing to do something.
This weekend better not be a goddamn let down.
nm
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2008, 12:06:47 AM
This weekend better not be a goddamn let down.
Keep your hopes low.
QuoteQuick reaction
Eagles radio analyst Mike Quick seemed taken aback yesterday by how quickly word spread among fans and reporters after he told former teammate Garry Cobb, on Cobb's blog, that he thinks the Eagles will make a major deal for a wideout this week, possibly for Detroit's Roy Williams.
Quick told the Daily News he hadn't uncovered any top-secret memos or anything, he was basing his feeling on the fact that the Eagles seem to have assured quarterback Donovan McNabb that his call for playmakers won't go unanswered, yet they haven't added any to his offensive arsenal.
Lions GM Matt Millen and coach Rod Marinelli spoke to Detroit-area reporters yesterday and reiterated that Williams would not be traded as he enters the final year of his rookie contract. *
link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080422_Eagles_-_New_time_limits_for_draft_selections_don_t_bother_Eagles_GM_Heckert.html)
Nice reporting as usual from Cobb. I wonder if Mike Quick has any hunches about the primary today he can report as fact.
QuoteEagles are testing the market for Allen
By Bob Grotz bgrotz@comcast.net
PHILADELPHIA — The Eagles are among a handful of teams that inquired about securing defensive end Jared Allen, who led the NFL with 151/2 sacks last year. For now, the Kansas City Chiefs want choice draft picks, not a combination of players and picks for Allen, whom the club designated as its franchise player.
The Eagles discussed shipping cornerback Lito Sheppard and picks to the Chiefs, but not their first-round pick, according to a source. Sheppard's recent history of nagging injuries didn't win the Eagles any points, either.
Allen (6-6, 270) is being heavily pursued by the Minnesota Vikings, and to a lesser degree the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's unclear whether the Eagles would meet the contract demands of Allen, who quietly wants a pact with $30 million guaranteed.
While Allen's talent is over the top, the same can be said of his behavior, at times. With a long-term contract, Allen would be a risky addition for he would face a lengthy suspension as a two-time offender, a source said, under terms of the league's substance abuse program. A slip and Allen's next employer would be in salary cap hell.Clearly the Eagles are turning over every stone, having given New York Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson a physical, according to reports, and having previously baited their hook for elite wide receiver Randy Moss, who re-signed with the New England Patriots.
The Eagles have targeted some other No. 1-caliber wide receivers, sources said, and this could be the week they pull something off.
All of that said, the Eagles have a pretty good idea of what it will take to improve their No. 19 draft position in the first round. And if the buzz means anything, the Birds will move up. Potential targets include offensive lineman Branden Albert of Virginia, the athletic guard that projects to left tackle, and defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis of USC.
"People up at the top (of the draft) want to get out of there but I don't think it's going to be real easy just because of the money you're going to have to pay those picks," Eagles general manager Tom Heckert said. "It's so much that they better be so much better than the other guys you're going to get. I don't know. I think there will be some moves. I just don't know if it's going to be crazy."
While Heckert left the door open for Sheppard to stick around, sources say the chance of that happening is infinitesimal because of the message it would send to Eagles players. Sheppard, Heckert confirmed, hasn't participated in any of the offseason workouts with his soon-to-be former teammates.
"Anything can happen with Lito," Heckert said. "He can be here and play for us or he might not be here. Right now he's on our team and that's
Link (http://www.delcotimes.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=%2FDCT%2FSports&r21.content=%2FDCT%2FSports%2FTopStoryList_Story_1930231)
If trading up for a USC defensive tackle is their big move of the weekend, I'm going to kick a hole in rjs's dog.
i heard rjs' dog ran a 4.45 40 in high school.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2008, 08:08:49 AM
i heard rjs' dog ran a 4.45 40 in high school.
She was running away from her sexually abusive daddy.
stupid bitch deserved it. obviously.
I let her lick my toes after. Everone wins.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2008, 07:50:45 AM
If trading up for a USC defensive tackle is their big move of the weekend, I'm going to kick a hole in rjs's dog.
If they get Ellis, I would be a happy man. Let's face it, none of these WR are a sure thing.
However, the receivers currently on the roster are a sure thing. Sure to be averagish at best.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2008, 08:08:49 AM
i heard rjs' dog ran a 4.45 40 in high school.
his dog is named munson
lol
Quote from: rjs246 on April 22, 2008, 08:33:30 AM
I let her lick my toes after. Everone wins.
thats the funniest thing i've read on here so far you sick bastich.
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on April 22, 2008, 09:15:33 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 22, 2008, 08:33:30 AM
I let her lick my toes after. Everone wins.
thats the funniest thing i've read on here so far you sick bastich.
jesus, they edited bastich?!?
i see someone has never seen the movie "johnny dangerously".
FAIL!!!
from PFT
QUICK BACKS OFF "MAJOR MOVE" PREDICTION
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 9:21 a.m.
The hot streak of GCobb.com when it comes to Eagles football is officially over.
A day after the site, run by former Eagles player Gary Cobb, said that Eagles radio analyst Mike Quick predicted that the team will make a major move at receiver this week, which GCobb.com interpreted to be an effort to acquire receiver Roy Williams from the Lions, Quick backpeddled faster than Deion Sanders on a running play.
Quick tells the Philadelphia Daily News that he has no inside information in this regard, and that he merely has a feeling that the team will do something to answer quarterback Donovan McNabb's call for playmakers.
The problem is that Cobb's site blew Quick's prediction out of proportion, even adding in the Cowboys and taterskins as teams engaged in a bidding war for Williams.
It's simply not the case.
With all that said, we've got a feeling that the Eagles will make a play for Cardinals wideout Anquan Boldin.
when will people realize that the eagles inner circle in inpenetrable and no one but reid hecket luri banner know what the farg is going on
wrong. biged knows all.
that's because biged is a mutant who's special power is to be able to transform into inanimate objects...so during strategy meetings, he is usually a lamp, or table.
of course, the rest of the time, he transforms into an incredible bore.
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2008, 10:06:59 AM
that's because biged is a mutant who's special power is to be able to transform into inanimate objects...so during strategy meetings, he is usually a lamp, or table.
of course, the rest of the time, he transforms into an incredible bore.
....i love lamp...
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 22, 2008, 07:29:05 AM
QuoteEagles are testing the market for Allen
By Bob Grotz bgrotz@comcast.net
PHILADELPHIA — The Eagles are among a handful of teams that inquired about securing defensive end Jared Allen, who led the NFL with 151/2 sacks last year. For now, the Kansas City Chiefs want choice draft picks, not a combination of players and picks for Allen, whom the club designated as its franchise player.
The Eagles discussed shipping cornerback Lito Sheppard and picks to the Chiefs, but not their first-round pick, according to a source. Sheppard's recent history of nagging injuries didn't win the Eagles any points, either.
Allen (6-6, 270) is being heavily pursued by the Minnesota Vikings, and to a lesser degree the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's unclear whether the Eagles would meet the contract demands of Allen, who quietly wants a pact with $30 million guaranteed.
While Allen's talent is over the top, the same can be said of his behavior, at times. With a long-term contract, Allen would be a risky addition for he would face a lengthy suspension as a two-time offender, a source said, under terms of the league's substance abuse program. A slip and Allen's next employer would be in salary cap hell.Clearly the Eagles are turning over every stone, having given New York Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson a physical, according to reports, and having previously baited their hook for elite wide receiver Randy Moss, who re-signed with the New England Patriots.
The Eagles have targeted some other No. 1-caliber wide receivers, sources said, and this could be the week they pull something off.
All of that said, the Eagles have a pretty good idea of what it will take to improve their No. 19 draft position in the first round. And if the buzz means anything, the Birds will move up. Potential targets include offensive lineman Branden Albert of Virginia, the athletic guard that projects to left tackle, and defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis of USC.
"People up at the top (of the draft) want to get out of there but I don't think it's going to be real easy just because of the money you're going to have to pay those picks," Eagles general manager Tom Heckert said. "It's so much that they better be so much better than the other guys you're going to get. I don't know. I think there will be some moves. I just don't know if it's going to be crazy."
While Heckert left the door open for Sheppard to stick around, sources say the chance of that happening is infinitesimal because of the message it would send to Eagles players. Sheppard, Heckert confirmed, hasn't participated in any of the offseason workouts with his soon-to-be former teammates.
"Anything can happen with Lito," Heckert said. "He can be here and play for us or he might not be here. Right now he's on our team and that's
Link (http://www.delcotimes.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_article&r21.pgpath=%2FDCT%2FSports&r21.content=%2FDCT%2FSports%2FTopStoryList_Story_1930231)
The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.
Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.
Source: scout.com
That's probably more than the Eagles would or should give for Allen.
That Minnesota DL is going to be sick, though.
Too much unless they get a nice haul for Lito, which they won't.
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2008, 10:06:59 AMthe rest of the time, he transforms into an incredible bore.
ha. I'm sorry I don't generate as much anger as igy
its really only a second and a third for allen...he would be their first rounder this year
i think id do it
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 22, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2008, 10:06:59 AMthe rest of the time, he transforms into an incredible bore.
ha. I'm sorry I don't generate as much anger as igy
its why we love you
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 10:49:01 AM
its really only a second and a third for allen...he would be their first rounder this year
That logic doesn't make any sense at all. None.
It's really a 1st, a 3rd, and a 2nd next year. And Allen would be the replacement for all three picks. I'm not sure where you pull the "1st rounder doesn't count" stuff from, but it probably has to do with your proximity to FedEx Field.
the Vikings should save those picks and get a QB with a touch of receivers, unless they want Peterson riding a Lark in 3 years.
The Eagles would never give up their future for one (drunk) guy. Never
i don't know what the odds are of getting a pro bowl player out of a combination of three high draft picks for a normal franchise but the eagles don't seem to have much success with them so i'd probably do the deal as well. thing is, though, the vikings picks are slightly better than the eagles picks, so they'd probably have to up the ante even higher.
allen's a bit of a wild card, so i'd probably pass now.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2008, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 10:49:01 AM
its really only a second and a third for allen...he would be their first rounder this year
That logic doesn't make any sense at all. None.
It's really a 1st, a 3rd, and a 2nd next year. And Allen would be the replacement for all three picks. I'm not sure where you pull the "1st rounder doesn't count" stuff from, but it probably has to do with your proximity to FedEx Field.
because it would guarantee that the eagles 'first round pick" would be a pro bowler...
with the first pick in the nfl draft the philadelphia eagles select jared allen from the kc chiefs...in exchange for this pick the eagles give the chiefs their 2008 third round pick and their 2009 second round pick
got it?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2008, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 10:49:01 AM
its really only a second and a third for allen...he would be their first rounder this year
That logic doesn't make any sense at all. None.
It's really a 1st, a 3rd, and a 2nd next year. And Allen would be the replacement for all three picks. I'm not sure where you pull the "1st rounder doesn't count" stuff from, but it probably has to do with your proximity to FedEx Field.
I've seen taterskins fans use that logic to rationalize them trading away picks, so there you go.
i just realized i said i'd do the deal and then immediately say i wouldn't.
i rule and stuff.
Tell Gazoo to shut the farg up when your trying to type
according to gargano (heckert) chiefs want a one and a two for allen and he wants 30 mil guaranteed @ 10 mil a year
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2008, 10:06:59 AM
that's because biged is a mutant who's special power is to be able to transform into inanimate objects...so during strategy meetings, he is usually a lamp, or table.
of course, the rest of the time, he transforms into an incredible bore.
alot of people think if you get struck by lightining you get super powers too...but when it happened to me the only special powers i got was to roll on the ground and shtein myself...will i use it for good or evil? stay tuned...
sorry i'm really bored at work
i'm just happy that my one post is providing you so much inspiration.
i don't know who you are but if you really got struck by lightning that is awesome.
:CF . . . feel the love.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 22, 2008, 12:01:56 PM
i don't know who you are but if you really got struck by lightning that is awesome.
And the fact that he shtein himself makes it super awesome.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 22, 2008, 12:01:56 PM
i don't know who you are but if you really got struck by lightning that is awesome.
"lightning" or as i like to call it God's drive by shooting happened to me last tuesday morning when i stood in my back yard with a nine iron, drunk off power and chivas regal and shouted, "thunder, THUNDER! THUDERCATS ! HOOOO!!" at which point God smite me for worshiping false idols and covenanting they neighbors cheetaraha. and may he who is called I AM strike me down if i am lying. :paranoid
i cant believe i get paid to sit around like this, god bless america
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 11:02:39 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2008, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 10:49:01 AM
its really only a second and a third for allen...he would be their first rounder this year
That logic doesn't make any sense at all. None.
It's really a 1st, a 3rd, and a 2nd next year. And Allen would be the replacement for all three picks. I'm not sure where you pull the "1st rounder doesn't count" stuff from, but it probably has to do with your proximity to FedEx Field.
because it would guarantee that the eagles 'first round pick" would be a pro bowler...
with the first pick in the nfl draft the philadelphia eagles select jared allen from the kc chiefs...in exchange for this pick the eagles give the chiefs their 2008 third round pick and their 2009 second round pick
got it?
Your explanation is neither enlightening nor opinion-changing. It's stupid skins fan logic.
its not logic its fact
Damn... I guess CJ really ain't happening.
QuoteSources: Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no
By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com
How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?
Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington taterskins that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said.
The taterskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the taterskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.
It was not the first time the taterskins approached the Bengals about a deal, but it was the first significant proposal.
The Bengals have not only rejected the taterskins, but two other NFC East suitors -- the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles -- have been informed that there has been no change in the team's position that Johnson will not be traded.
The Bengals have noted to those suitors that Johnson has been the "second-highest paid receiver" in the NFL during the past three years, indignant about suggestions that Johnson also wants a new contract, the sources said.
Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."
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Everyone realizes that if the Bengals trade Johnson before June 1st he counts as 8mil against their cap, right? All of this bullshtein does not mean that he won't be traded.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 22, 2008, 12:58:50 PM
Everyone realizes that if the Bengals trade Johnson before June 1st he counts as 8mil against their cap, right? All of this bullshtein does not mean that he won't be traded.
I thought the last CBA took away the June 1st thing.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 22, 2008, 12:58:50 PM
Everyone realizes that if the Bengals trade Johnson before June 1st he counts as 8mil against their cap, right? All of this bullshtein does not mean that he won't be traded.
I just posted the same thing in the point and laugh at the racists thread
Quote from: rjs246 on April 22, 2008, 12:58:50 PM
Everyone realizes that if the Bengals trade Johnson before June 1st he counts as 8mil against their cap, right? All of this bullshtein does not mean that he won't be traded.
You are exactly right. In true Bungles fashion, they will wait until after June 1, when the draft is over and Chad doesn't report, then they will try to trade him and will be lucky to get a 1st.
Not sure about the trades, but the June 1st cuts were taken out in the CBA. Teams can cut a player now and designate him a post June 1st cut.
The Chiefs want a lot, Allen wants a lot and the Vikings are (reportedly) offering a lot. My guess is the Eagles have already said thanks but no thanks to that one. Especially if Heckert's mouthpiece is saying that is what KC is asking for.
Now...
Mort says that the Skins have inquired about Boldin and were told no. HE said the Eagles have had discussions about Boldin too and are offering Lito but he did not say they were rebuffed by ARZ.
I think it's becoming more and more apparent that Lito isn't going to be packaged in a deal for a top flight WR or any other need veteran. My guess is they use him to move up and take an offensive lineman. Chris Williams or Brendan Albert it is.
I refuse to believe Russ kicks his dog
Star Tribune
QuoteEagles in the mix?
April 22nd, 2008 – 7:09 PM CT by Judd Zulgad
The report from the Delco (Pa.) Times that the Eagles have inquired about Jared Allen has been out there all day and we've confirmed that Philadelphia is trying to get involved. The question now becomes this: Are the Eagles serious players in the bidding for the Pro Bowl defensive end or is Chiefs President Carl Peterson simply trying to use them to gain additional leverage in talks with the Vikings?
It's probably the latter. The report said the Eagles proposed sending cornerback Lito Sheppard — who is almost certainly going to be moved before next season — and draft picks to the Chiefs. The Eagles, however, did not offer up their first-round pick.
If the rebuilding Chiefs are indeed asking the Vikings for first- and second-round selections — the Vikings are offering their first- and one of their two third-round picks — there is no way Kansas City is going to take a package that doesn't include the Eagles' top choice. Philadelphia, by the way, will pick 19th in the opening round. That is two picks after the Vikings and one ahead of Tampa Bay, which also has interest in Allen.
As for this tentative visit Allen is supposed to take to visit the Bucs, as far as we know it still has not happened. Time is running out on the Bucs and honestly it remains difficult to believe Tampa is in a position to give up draft picks when it only has five in this weekend's annual selection process. (Fran Foley's description of the draft.)
The Vikings appear to be in good shape in the Allen's sweepstakes but obviously patience is going to be a key as this process continues to play out.
why are the eagles usually the dumb ugly fat friend in every trade discussion?
could it be??
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he looks like a human sausage.
ha! Well done, Dio.
The word out here in KC is that Allen really wants to go to the Vikings and that they've already got an outline for a contract in place and are trying to work out the fine points on that before there will be any serious discussions about the details of a trade.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2008, 08:50:40 PM
why are the eagles usually the dumb ugly fat friend in every trade discussion?
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2008, 08:50:40 PM
why are the eagles usually the dumb ugly fat friend in every trade discussion?
cause banner will not lower himself to competing with other teams for players...they negotiate on their own terms and their own terms only...no bidding wars...no raising offers...you take it or leave it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 08:57:05 PM
cause banner will not lower himself to competing with other teams for players...they negotiate on their own terms and their own terms only...no bidding wars...no raising offers...you take it or leave it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 09:41:57 AM
when will people realize that the eagles inner circle in inpenetrable and no one but reid hecket luri banner know what the farg is going on
Wait for it...
prediction:
eagles trade lito for a high 2nd round pick. they use 1st round pick for a Olineman and then 2nd round pick on a CB.
no WR selected before the 3rd round. numerous interviews where reid, heckert, and even banner mention "we really like what we have in curtis and brown".
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 22, 2008, 10:15:39 PM
prediction:
eagles trade lito for a high 2nd round pick. they use 1st round pick for a Olineman and then 2nd round pick on a CB.
no WR selected before the 3rd round. numerous interviews where reid, heckert, and even banner mention "we really like what we have in curtis and brown".
farg you if you make that happen with your stupid witchcraft.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 22, 2008, 10:03:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 08:57:05 PM
cause banner will not lower himself to competing with other teams for players...they negotiate on their own terms and their own terms only...no bidding wars...no raising offers...you take it or leave it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2008, 09:41:57 AM
when will people realize that the eagles inner circle in inpenetrable and no one but reid hecket luri banner know what the farg is going on
i should have said going on BEFORE it happens....we all know the way they work by seeing what they do when and after it happens...i didnt really need to explain that did i?
Wasn't it reported that the Eagles re-bid for Moss after the Pats made their offer to make sure it was higher and better than the Pats? Didn't work, but I'm a fan of that kind of action that shows they were at least in the game and trying their hardest to win.
What that means to me is it takes two to make a deal, and the eagles were doing their part. Based on that, I'm not ready to write off the FO this off-season as they try to find a "play maker."
At least not until Brown, Curtis, and Hank are your Eagles starting receivers...
Quote from: Phanatic on April 22, 2008, 10:43:24 PM
At least not until Brown, Curtis, and Hank are your Eagles starting receivers...
i didnt really need to explain that did i?
:)
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2008, 08:28:28 PM
I refuse to believe Russ kicks his dog
True. I only steal cripples' arms from them and hit them in the face with them. Dogs? Off limits.
Quoteeagles trade lito for a high 2nd round pick. they use 1st round pick for a Olineman and then 2nd round pick on a CB.
agree on Lito, except I think they go safety with the 2nd pick
I feel like this was posted already but just incase...
Mort reported that in addition to offering the Bengals a trade, the Skins also offered a trade to the Cardinals. A 1st and 3rd for Boldin, with the 3rd next year potentially becoming the first. And the Cards said no.
If that's what it's going to take, I just lost that .02% of hope I had. No way the Eagles give that AND Lito up for him.
Mort also mentioned the Eagles in the Alexander sweepstakes. Said that he's a good fit as a split back in the WCO
so according to mort over the past 24 hours the Eagles have been interested in Johnson, Allen, Boldin and Alexander.
Eagles are the New Skins
mort just likes saying "eagles".
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2008, 07:50:06 AM
so according to mort over the past 24 hours the Eagles have been interested in Johnson, Allen, Boldin and Alexander.
... and the draft will pass and none of those guys will be Eagles.
Nonsense. Alexander will be an Eagle because he is the least likely of that bunch to be even remotely productive.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2008, 08:47:49 AM
Nonsense. Alexander will be an Eagle because he is the least likely of that bunch to be even remotely productive.
Exactly.
dont worry we'll get boldin no problem, but then something like this will happen to him in the first game...
(http://www.toofly.com/userGallery/1208951638.jpg)
HOLY HELL!
apparently i was edited
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on April 23, 2008, 10:06:03 AM
apparently i was edited
That pic is probably just as funny.
Last time that happened to me, my pic was replaced with one of a transexual with a 10 inch dong. I had to spend an hour apologizing to the sensitive types on the EMB about it.
Photobucket is your friend.
If we get Boldin I will joyfully kick a hole in my cat!
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 23, 2008, 10:11:04 AM
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on April 23, 2008, 10:06:03 AM
apparently i was edited
That pic is probably just as funny.
Last time that happened to me, my pic was replaced with one of a transexual with a 10 inch dong. I had to spend an hour apologizing to the sensitive types on the EMB about it.
Daniel Craig?
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 23, 2008, 10:11:04 AM
Last time that happened to me, my pic was replaced with one of a transexual with a 10 inch dong. I had to spend an hour apologizing to the sensitive types on the EMB about it.
Couple years back I used a .gif as an avatar that a friend of mine made and didn't tell him. He knew someone was using it but didn't know who, so he changed the link to a picture of a penis. I had that avatar for about 3 days without noticing and got like 20 PMs. It kicked ass.
Quote from: Dillen on April 23, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 23, 2008, 10:11:04 AM
Last time that happened to me, my pic was replaced with one of a transexual with a 10 inch dong. I had to spend an hour apologizing to the sensitive types on the EMB about it.
Couple years back I used a .gif as an avatar that a friend of mine made and didn't tell him. He knew someone was using it but didn't know who, so he changed the link to a picture of a penis. I had that avatar for about 3 days without noticing and got like 20 PMs. It kicked ass.
:-D
Quote from: Dillen on April 23, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 23, 2008, 10:11:04 AM
Last time that happened to me, my pic was replaced with one of a transexual with a 10 inch dong. I had to spend an hour apologizing to the sensitive types on the EMB about it.
Couple years back I used a .gif as an avatar that a friend of mine made and didn't tell him. He knew someone was using it but didn't know who, so he changed the link to a picture of a penis. I had that avatar for about 3 days without noticing and got like 20 PMs. It kicked ass.
My image link story was from last season, when I found the photobucket page for an Extremeskins poster. This guy had one of those obnoxious "Joe Gibbs ascending to heaven"-types of signatures that bugged me. I took a guess at his password being "taterskins" & was able edit his images, so I took that one & added humping dogs & gay men to it, so that it showed up that way for any of his posts.
I remember how righteously indignant he got over it, like I molested his dog.
Well, you did that also.
that was me.
Hott.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on April 22, 2008, 10:15:39 PM
prediction:
eagles trade lito for a high 2nd round pick. they use 1st round pick for a Olineman and then 2nd round pick on a CB.
no WR selected before the 3rd round. numerous interviews where reid, heckert, and even banner mention "we really like what we have in curtis and brown".
I agree 100%.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2008, 03:12:09 PM
Well, you did that also.
I didn't even need to pull out the peanut butter either, that dog was a slut.
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 23, 2008, 02:54:45 PM
Quote from: Dillen on April 23, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 23, 2008, 10:11:04 AM
Last time that happened to me, my pic was replaced with one of a transexual with a 10 inch dong. I had to spend an hour apologizing to the sensitive types on the EMB about it.
Couple years back I used a .gif as an avatar that a friend of mine made and didn't tell him. He knew someone was using it but didn't know who, so he changed the link to a picture of a penis. I had that avatar for about 3 days without noticing and got like 20 PMs. It kicked ass.
My image link story was from last season, when I found the photobucket page for an Extremeskins poster. This guy had one of those obnoxious "Joe Gibbs ascending to heaven"-types of signatures that bugged me. I took a guess at his password being "taterskins" & was able edit his images, so I took that one & added humping dogs & gay men to it, so that it showed up that way for any of his posts.
I remember how righteously indignant he got over it, like I molested his dog.
:-D :-D
Wasn't it that ParkCitySkins homo?
SI.com has a gallery of moder day draft busts......think there are twenty-five, naturally several PSU RBs, but an almost equal amount of former University of Houston QBs who threw for tons of TDs and yards in college, and did dick in the NFL. That gives me a Kolbsy kind of a good feeling.
Joe Montana went to Notre Dame. So did Ron Paulus.
Yeah, David Klingler and Andre Ware flashed before my eyes when they announced Kolbs names last year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2008, 11:44:22 PM
Yeah, David Klingler and Andre Ware flashed before my eyes when they announced Kolbs names last year.
I was at McFaddens at the ballpark and honestly thought they made a mistake or maybe they had said 'cornerback' and I hadn't heard the name right.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2008, 11:44:22 PM
Yeah, David Klingler and Andre Ware flashed before my eyes when they announced Kolbs names last year.
i think Kolb will be the next Montana and i base that on...absolutley nothing
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims link=topic=19986.msg601041#msg601041
i think Kolb will be the next Montana and i base that on...absolutley nothing
/quote]
I think Kolb will be the next Bobby Hoying, I base this on a trend.
Quote from: RezRob on April 24, 2008, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims link=topic=19986.msg601041#msg601041
i think Kolb will be the next Montana and i base that on...absolutley nothing
/quote]
I think Kolb will be the next Bobby Hoying, I base this on a trend.
Fail.
Ha.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2008, 11:44:22 PM
Yeah, David Klingler and Andre Ware flashed before my eyes when they announced Kolbs names last year.
lol - you were about five when those guys were drafted.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 24, 2008, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: RezRob on April 24, 2008, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims link=topic=19986.msg601041#msg601041
i think Kolb will be the next Montana and i base that on...absolutley nothing
/quote]
I think Kolb will be the next Bobby Hoying, I base this on a trend.
Fail.
Ha.
:-D :-D
you cruel old man
Robertson was just traded to Denver according to ESPN
ridiculous salary + bad knees = pass
Quote from: Rome on April 24, 2008, 01:32:27 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2008, 11:44:22 PM
Yeah, David Klingler and Andre Ware flashed before my eyes when they announced Kolbs names last year.
lol - you were about five when those guys were drafted.
1992 - 13
1990 - 11
I remember watching them play. But mostly I know how monumentally horrible they were.
Welcome to the WAREhouse!!
According to Adam Schefter last night on the NFL Network the Jags and Eagles have both spoken to Miami about Taylor. Miami wants a 1st or 2nd round pick. He said the best Miami can hope for is probably a 3rd at this point.
This is a baffling one. At 34, that guy is more productive than a lot of good ends under 30. I highly doubt the Eagles give away the Andy Reid 3rd rd special, but to have Cole and Taylor coming off the edge would be sick for a couple years.
Meh. Not sure how I feel about it either way. How much gas can he really have left in the tank?
Kiper thinks Jacksonville would be the perfect spot for him
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 10:36:35 AM
Meh. Not sure how I feel about it either way. How much gas can he really have left in the tank?
I don't think it's so much a matter of gas with Taylor. The dude is sort of a freak and I think if he wanted to play football until he was 40, he could do so at a relatively high level. At this point in his life/career though I think it's all about desire to put in the work to prepare to play each Sunday. How many more years is he going to want to do that?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 10:36:35 AM
Meh. Not sure how I feel about it either way. How much gas can he really have left in the tank?
i agree...late career change of scenery guys dont usually pan out...i can see him having like a 5-6 sack year this year then being released next year
i do not see the eagles trading for him simply because they WANT to start abimari even if he is not ready.
but as a fan worried about the lack of pass rush i would love this move. who cares if he gets 6 sacks only. with cole getting around 8-10 and taylor getting 6 thats pretty good production.
a 3rd round pick for taylor would be awesome. better than anyone they would pick in that round.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2008, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 10:36:35 AM
Meh. Not sure how I feel about it either way. How much gas can he really have left in the tank?
i agree...late career change of scenery guys dont usually pan out...i can see him having like a 5-6 sack year this year then being released next year
well he can ride shotgun in McNabb's F150 out the door then because it's a make or break year regardless
juqua thomas had five sacks last year and you dont have to give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him
Quote from: reese125 on April 25, 2008, 10:53:43 AM
because it's a make or break year regardless
make the playoffs right?...you cant possibly believe they have a chance to win the superbowl this year
Quotemake the playoffs right?...you cant possibly believe they have a chance to win the superbowl this year
That sounds like a question posed last year this time about the Giants
Im playing in the minds of the Eagles. Only if they obtain a stud WR. Then yes...they have a shot.
If not..no
Seeing that Dallas gets better each year, the Giants will be better and the Skins just got worse....the Eagles have wild card written all over them--from there they "might" be able to pull a Giants run.
People point to the Giants but fail to realize runs like that happen only once or maybe twice every 20 years.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2008, 11:07:49 AM
People point to the Giants but fail to realize runs like that happen only once or maybe twice every 20 years.
exactly
i love how reese says its a make or break year...either catch a miracle like the giants or you failed
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2008, 11:07:49 AM
People point to the Giants but fail to realize runs like that happen only once or maybe twice every 20 years.
Not really.
The Bucs, Ravens, and 2001 Patriots all were not considered powerhouses and had plenty of deficiencies, but they peaked at the right time like last year's Giants.
There are a lot more too. Winning the Super Bowl is as much about timing and lucky breaks as it is getting a team in place that has a shot in hell of being in that position.
all of those teams were much more highly thought of than the giants...shtein the giants won the superbowl and people still hate on them...thats how far they came
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2008, 11:07:49 AM
People point to the Giants but fail to realize runs like that happen only once or maybe twice every 20 years.
It's happened twice in the last three years. The Steelers were 7-5 before they ran the table in eight straight games.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2008, 11:24:26 AM
all of those teams were much more highly thought of than the giants...shtein the giants won the superbowl and people still hate on them...thats how far they came
True about the Ravens and Bucs, but the 2001 Patriots were considered at least as much of a joke as the current Giants. There were stories all over the place about how they were the worst Super Bowl winner of all time. Obviously they've since proven that false, but no one was shocked when they didn't make it into the playoffs in 2002.
if they add a playmaker WR (williams, boldin, or ocho cinco) to this current roster they do have a chance. the defense should be better than it was last season just by generating a few more turnovers. the offense would be the real question mark but if you add a stud WR and McNabb stays healthy they def have a chance to make the playoffs and advance to the superbowl.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2008, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2008, 11:07:49 AM
People point to the Giants but fail to realize runs like that happen only once or maybe twice every 20 years.
Not really.
The Bucs, Ravens, and 2001 Patriots all were not considered powerhouses and had plenty of deficiencies, but they peaked at the right time like last year's Giants.
There are a lot more too. Winning the Super Bowl is as much about timing and lucky breaks as it is getting a team in place that has a shot in hell of being in that position.
All 4 of those teams (including the Giants) had one thing in common.......excellent defenses that had the ability to get in the QB's face.
Circle that words that do not match
Roy Williams, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Clayton
I'm going to go with "Chad" and "Clayton." They are the only 2 words that have a consonant as a 2nd letter.
Michael Clayton was a zesty movie.
Quote from: reese125 on April 25, 2008, 12:00:04 PM
Circle that words that do not match
you can't circle so I bold faced instead
So would any of yous like to see them take a shot at getting Jason Taylor?
Absolutely. It depends on who is available though.
I'd still love if they could take one of Morgan, Connor, Manningham, Bennett. We have 9 2nd day picks. Gotta trade some. I expect some move-ups or deals tomorrow.
Just when you thought the TO saga was over...
Eagles, looking to recover bonus money, sue Cowboys' Owens (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3373026)
No question McNabb topples 300lb when his career is over...
http://www.pntonline.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1155389227&bclid=1155200137&bctid=1517402126 (http://www.pntonline.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1155389227&bclid=1155200137&bctid=1517402126)
What a fruit.
seriously he is one of the corniest most awful people i know of
the worst thing that could of happened...happened. A fan began to laugh...and he had no idea of when to stop
He should have thrown on the Phanatic costume and went full tilt
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 29, 2008, 06:59:33 AM
Just when you thought the TO saga was over...
Eagles, looking to recover bonus money, sue Cowboys' Owens (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3373026)
The timing of this is great, especially when Jack Ikegwouwnwu has Rosenhaus as his agent.
jack iggy has approx. the same bargining power as an UFA right about now
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2008, 10:34:34 AM
jack iggy has approx. the same bargining power as an UFA right about now
He has less, pending charges, and knee damage. His stock wont be better next year if he tries to re-enter the draft. I guess the major concern is Rosenhaus is his agent.
hes better than an UFA just because the 4th round gives you a certain "slot" and the power that comes with it...even tho most of that is taken away with his baggage....but theres no chance he doesnt sign with the eagles since they went out on a limb for him he and rosenhaus will appreciate that and sign accordingly probably along the lines of an incentive based deal
If anybody hasnt seen this yet--JJ's whole take on the draft and his defense this year
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15419&spadaro=1 (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15419&spadaro=1)
i wish for once the eagles would talk all about the great starters they have in their front seven rather than talk about people like akeem jordan chris gocong rocky boiman and trevor laws being a part of a rotation of average players
So you want them to lie?
The numbers for the new guys:
#25 = Booker
----------------------------
#93 = Laws
#10 = D.Jackson
#63 = B.Smith
#68 = McGlynn
#33 = Demps
#39 = Ikegwuonu
#63 = Gibson
#51 = Mays
#53 = Studebaker
#65 = Dunlap
----------------------------
#16 = Hardy
#17 = McBride
#18 = Golden
#42 = Arrington
#48 = Collins
#54 = Roland
#61 = Dunbar
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 30, 2008, 05:27:04 PM
#53 = Studebaker
Because someone has to:
(http://www.motormint.com/ProductImages/fullsize/53STUD.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 30, 2008, 05:27:04 PM
#63 = B.Smith
#63 = Gibson
So, only one of those fargers can make the team?
KFFL says the Eagles signed Bowman. There's a 350 post topic on him on the EMB.
doesn't he have some kind of vision problem or something?
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2008, 09:37:09 PM
doesn't he have some kind of vision problem or something?
he see's something illegal and cant go away?
i'm amazed that bowman went undrafted. all he did was throw a little bag of squeef out the window when being pulled over. big whoop. looks like the eagles did sign him though. nice.
(http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4660%5B/url)
Nice link, dingus.
Quote from: reese125 on April 30, 2008, 11:12:28 AM
If anybody hasnt seen this yet--JJ's whole take on the draft and his defense this year
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15419&spadaro=1 (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15419&spadaro=1)
The most important piece of info:
QuoteI think Dawkins is going to have a good year. He's healthier and I think he is ready to have a comeback year," said Johnson. "He knows what he has to do to do it. Sean Considine will probably be our third safety, working back and forth at both spots."
At least they're not pushing his sorry ass as a starter. I hope Demps can get in there and learn quickly.
that's still a little high for my liking
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 07:49:03 AM
that's still a little high for my liking
I agree. He should be the 5th safety if they're going to have 4 on the roster.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 01, 2008, 07:39:41 AM
i'm amazed that bowman went undrafted. all he did was throw a little bag of squeef out the window when being pulled over. big whoop. looks like the eagles did sign him though. nice.
http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...d=4660&nc=0 (http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...d=4660&nc=0)
Here's a link that should actually work. (http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4660&nc=0)
mine was better.
n/m
Banner is still a greedy jew but sun already posted it
It's damn early but what the hell
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3372132&univLogin02=stateChanged&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft08%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dmcshay_todd%26id%3d3372132%26univLogin02%3dstateChanged
15. Philadelphia Eagles (from CAR) -- Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
The Eagles failed to land a go-to-receiver in the 2008 draft (no, DeSean Jackson does not qualify). Instead of going the free-agent route to land a weapon for veteran QB Donovan McNabb, they might as well use one of two first-round picks in '09 on a future primary target for future QB Kevin Kolb.
18. Philadelphia Eagles -- Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
After failing to land one of the record-setting seven offensive tackles selected in the first round of this year's draft, coach Andy Reid will be craving a big fella like Loadholt in 2009.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2008, 07:59:21 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on May 01, 2008, 07:39:41 AM
i'm amazed that bowman went undrafted. all he did was throw a little bag of squeef out the window when being pulled over. big whoop. looks like the eagles did sign him though. nice.
http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...d=4660&nc=0 (http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...d=4660&nc=0)
Here's a link that should actually work. (http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4660&nc=0)
Yes, I'm quoting myself.
I've been trying to find some information on this kid other than 'He's tall' and 'He likes weed' and have had absolutely no luck. His numbers were good obviously, and he's huge and he played against good competetition blah blah blah, but is there something other than his love of the squeef that kept him from being drafted? Was there a consensus about where he belonged in the draft, strictly from a talent standpoint? TELL ME BITCHES.
QuoteAnalysis
Positives: Has a tall, muscular frame with long arms, large hands, well-developed upper-body musculature, especially in his chest and arms, and tapered thighs and calves...Smooth and fluid route runner with the loose hips and ability to sink his pads to change direction in an instant...Shows excellent open-field acceleration and knows how to vary his speed to set up the defender...Has the low center of gravity to get in and out of his cuts sharply and displays the balance and timing to extend for the ball...Uses his body control and feet to tap dance along the sideline to make the soft catch...His flexibility and burst are evident in his quickness getting into his routes...Hard worker in the offseason and an intelligent athlete with the valid instincts to gobble up the cushion of defensive backs...Plays through pain and has proven he is capable of handling hard coaching...Has the hand punch and placement to lock on and steer second-level defenders when blocking for the ground game...Uses his power in attempts to defeat the press and get into his routes...Has an explosive initial burst getting upfield, as he is sudden closing on the cushion...Has quick-twitch moves with his hands to beat the defender and get a clean release...Has the breakaway speed to threaten the deep secondary and uses his hands well to steer the defender away from the action...Takes good angles to create his pass lanes and can pull away from any defender once he gets into the second level...Settles nicely to break off crisply, lowering his weight and sticking his foot into the ground to generate rapid acceleration getting into the open...Does a fine job settling into the zone's soft spots when working over the middle and moves well without the ball in his hands, looking for an unsuspecting defender to neutralize when blocking for the ground game...His sideline awareness allows him to make the tough catches along the boundaries...Has the speed and stride to gain separation on deep routes and makes natural adjustments to the ball...Has the large, soft hands to extend and pluck the ball on bubble screens and does a nice job of going for the ball with his hands outside the frame, showing good flexibility to snare low throws on shallow crossing routes...Has the rare size and playing strength to gain yardage and break arm tackles after the catch...Might drop a few balls in a crowd due to concentration issues or his lack of natural hands, but shows good courage working in a crowd...With his long stride and second gear, he is very effective at tracking the deep throw, especially when trying to make the over-the-shoulder grab...Demonstrates excellent ability to torque and rise to extend for that deep ball, doing a nice job of getting vertical to make the catch...Strong runner with the ball in his hands, but also is shifty enough to avoid...Has good plant-and-drive change-of-direction agility when eluding...Spins well with the ball, swinging away from the frame, as he slides with good hop in his step to avoid the defender while setting up another move...Will sometimes dance with the defender for just a short period when blocking in-line, but in the second level, he shows good explosion behind his initial block and the hand placement to mirror.
Negatives: Was dismissed from the University of North Carolina after he was caught in another student's dorm room with marijuana present and was first suspended indefinitely and later dismissed from the university...Struggled trying to locate the deep throws earlier in his career and it was discovered that he had 20/900 vision. He underwent lasik surgery in April 2007 to correct the problem, but still failed to get to 30 passes as a senior (had 108 passes targeted to him, catching 67, as he had 11 others deflected)...Has just adequate hands, tends to cradle the ball and will let it into his body too often, especially in tight areas...While he is a solid cut blocker in the open, working in-line, he is more of a pest-type blocker, as he doesn't use his weight-room strength to face up and dominate vs. smaller defenders, especially in pass protection...Has some concentration lapses on the field when working through traffic, causing him to sometimes be late working back to the ball.
Compares To: BRAYLON EDWARDS-Cleveland...Bowman has excellent size, strength and speed and is a physical receiver combating for the ball. He had some problems locating the ball in the past. That issue seems to have been resolved after he underwent vision-correction surgery prior to the 2007 season. He is an effective cut blocker and a savvy open-field runner and makes most of his production separating after the catch. He has an explosive release off the snap and is a very smooth route-runner who easily wins with double moves. With his improved vision and solid work ethic, most teams will quickly overlook his off-field incident that led to his dismissal from North Carolina earlier in his career.
Bowman highlight film (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVT6PudOVXk&feature=related). It's to Bone Thugs and Harmony so you might want to turn your speakers off
ESPN interview as well as some highlights (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8hG1EV_qq2I&feature=related)
Bowman makes a great 1 handed catch (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JIySCyAAFfE&feature=related)
Bowman scores a long TD (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zEubnjNDg3U&feature=related)
Bowman gets nailed by first rounder Aqib Talib (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xrSUoS3-KCQ&feature=related)
So, in other words, he's got all of the talent in the world and should have been drafted pretty high. Well, here's to hoping...
What's even more baffling is he lasted a while as a udfa.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2008, 11:16:09 AM
So, in other words, he's got all of the talent in the world and should have been drafted pretty high. Well, here's to hoping...
he doesnt even have all the talent in the world...people love the pick out these guys that didnt get drafted but "have second round talent"...after seeing the players that have been drafted over the last 20 years i dont believe it....
shtein just this year the eagles drafted in the 4th round a one kneed cb with a weed charge hanging over his head but somehow this guy is so great he didnt get drafted at all.....i call bullshtein
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2008, 11:16:09 AM
So, in other words, he's got all of the talent in the world and should have been drafted pretty high. Well, here's to hoping...
he doesnt even have all the talent in the world...people love the pick out these guys that didnt get drafted but "have second round talent"...after seeing the players that have been drafted over the last 20 years i dont believe it....
shtein just this year the eagles drafted in the 4th round a one kneed cb with a weed charge hanging over his head but somehow this guy is so great he didnt get drafted at all.....i call bullshtein
Hence my confusion about this guy. But whatever. Zero risk, so again, here's to hoping.
andy sure has come around on the character issues thing. i guess his two waterheads were worth something after all.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2008, 11:23:15 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2008, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2008, 11:16:09 AM
So, in other words, he's got all of the talent in the world and should have been drafted pretty high. Well, here's to hoping...
he doesnt even have all the talent in the world...people love the pick out these guys that didnt get drafted but "have second round talent"...after seeing the players that have been drafted over the last 20 years i dont believe it....
shtein just this year the eagles drafted in the 4th round a one kneed cb with a weed charge hanging over his head but somehow this guy is so great he didnt get drafted at all.....i call bullshtein
Hence my confusion about this guy. But whatever. Zero risk, so again, here's to hoping.
oh definitely...if he can take baskett g lew or avants spot and improve on that then im IN
im just already cringing at the hype this guy is gonna get from a lot of eagle fans...see the huge thread about this guy that dillen talked about last night...and once he makes his first catch at lehigh its really gonna be on
for a person who lives and breathes hyperbole you sure seem to be upset when its heaped on someone you don't think deserves the attention.
ps: i think you should be his :CF sponsor.
QuoteStruggled trying to locate the deep throws earlier in his career and it was discovered that he had 20/900 vision. He underwent lasik surgery in April 2007 to correct the problem,
vision problem!
yeah i don't get it either, but there really were some "reputable" draft sites saying he's gonna go in the 2nd-3rd.
there has to be more to his story. i read somewhere that he's had the worst offseason of any player. all because of a possession charge?
Bowmania!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank Baskett Hysteria
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/46/466959.jpg)
pass!
that was him during his eye exam
Quote from: Rome on May 01, 2008, 11:39:00 AM
for a person who lives and breathes hyperbole you sure seem to be upset when its heaped on someone you don't think deserves the attention.
ps: i think you should be his :CF sponsor.
hyperbole and honestly believing an UDFA is the next randy moss are not the same thing
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 01, 2008, 11:20:27 AM
What's even more baffling is he lasted a while as a udfa.
He was probably weighing multiple offers, or holding out for Bill Belicheck to call.
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 01, 2008, 11:46:45 AM
Bowmania! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank Baskett Hysteria
I can't wait to cheer him on at camp
QuoteFrom : http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/adarius_bowman.htm
Wide Receiver
6' 4" 220 lbs.
Speed: 4.62
Oklahoma State
Senior
Normally you associate Big 12 football with running backs and not wide receivers, but that mind-set will change after the 2007 college football season. With wide receivers Adarius Bowman and Limas Sweed you have two Big 12 receivers that have a legitimate chance of being first round picks in the 2008 NFL Draft. With his size, strength and explosiveness, Adarius Bowman reminds me of Dallas Cowboy receiver Terrell Owens.
Bowman had a rough start to his career, after a spectacular high school career where he was ranked as the top wide receiver in Tennessee and the fifth-best wide receiver in the country by ESPN, he was a 5 star recruit and was recruited by all the major colleges, he eventually chose North Carolina, and played there for two years. As a Tar Heel he played as a true freshman and in his two years there he played in 18 games, caught 28 balls for 510 yards and 5 touchdowns. He left North Carolina after he got into some trouble, reportedly failed a drug test and sat out a year as per NCAA rules, then transferred to Oklahoma State.
Bowman is 6' 4" 220 pounds and finished the 2006 season as a junior with incredible on-field production. The 2007 College Football Preseason All-American caught 60 passes for 1,181 yards and 12 touchdowns. Bowman is a world class athlete, has great hands and phenomenal leaping ability. Bowman is a former Tennessee Division II Mr. Basketball. Look what he did last year (2006) against Kansas, he finished the game with 14 catches, 300 yards and 4 touchdowns, that's a half a season's work for most receivers and Bowman did it in one game. That game set a Big 12 record and he was voted Big 12 offensive newcomer of the year and first-team all-league by the coaches and Associated Press.
Bowman is the epitome of a Big play threat, last year he had scoring receptions of 75, 69, 64, 55, 54, 45 and 34 yards. That shows his game breaking speed to score from that far out. Just how good could Bowman become, Bowman himself recently revealed that last year his vision was so bad he would have been considered legally blind. Adarius Bowman had LASIK surgery this offseason, and he is seeing the ball much better, that's a scary thought for his opponents.
NFL Scouts will undoubtedly look deeply into any possible character issues, but physically, he is a supreme NFL prospect with first round NFL Draft possibilities. If he continues to improve on his game and stays out of trouble he could emerge as a top 10-15 selection in the 2008 NFL Draft.
Update: Bowman was arrested for possession of Marijuana in early April 2008 and has fallen off of most draft boards. He would definitely be worthy of signing as a free agent, but he needs to get his drug addiction under control to have any chance in the NFL.
Addicted to weed?
I can't believe he got expelled for having weeds.
Jerramy Stevens got like two DUI and two Rape accusations in college and didn't even get suspended...
still no mention on Bowman (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/transactions.html)
Maybe they're awaiting results of a drug test. Weed takes on average 7-15 days to get out of your system unless you're a habitual user whereas it can take up to 30.
...not that you would know by experience or anything.
who cares. its weed. if the dude is droppin h then wes gots a problemo.
who cares about this farging icehole
I care. He's squinting into my soul.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 12:56:13 PM
who cares about this farging icehole
The Eagles Offseason Thread (all aboard the Adarius Bowman bandwagon)
dook's got skills, get HIM!
He reminds me of TO, no doubt. Can you imagine, this guy turning it all around and being a complete WR. AHHHH, we can only dream I guess :boom :boom :boom
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 12:56:13 PM
who cares about this farging icehole
picking up a guy who a few months ago was projected to be a day 1 pick? true, that's definitely not offseason talk worthy.
yeah he so awesome nobody drafted him and nobody has signed him
you so awesome.
grammar nazi, ftw
that mammogram put you in a bad mood.
Stop sending me sexy PM's, Sunny.
hey, there's a kid in a wheelchair outside of my office, maybe he can play wide receiver for the Eagles too
Let's talk less about football players and more about what some old numbers guy says in the newspaper.
This is not Vietnam there are farging rules!
I, for one, just want to know when SunMo and FastFreddie are going to start making out.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2008, 02:06:11 PM
I, for one, just want to know when SunMo and FastFreddie are going to start making out.
START?
we need more talk about a guy who couldn't get drafted in 252 tries
he must be awesome
you awesome.
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/jeepwrang1994/1198942621-1198926174548b.jpg)
lito and bowman for fitzgerald and boldin
Eagles throw in a box of Acuvue, Cards throw in a 1st...done
QuoteNFL | Bowman has yet to receive offer from team
Thu, 1 May 2008 12:58:46 -0700
Correcting previous reports, Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports undrafted rookie free-agent WR Adarius Bowman (Oklahoma State) has not received an offer from an NFL team and it is uncertain if he will in the future. His agent said he is uncertain of a future destination for Bowman.
It's fine. Terrell Golden is better.
season over
but he's a 1st day pick...
i'm pretty sure that no team wants to make the first move, because when they do, the other teams will know what they have to beat
this is a disaster.
I heard he did not meet Kate Smith's approval
billy sampy?
PFT says that he hasn't signed and the Eagles have no plans to sign him.
I guess that Frantz fella has more upside.
please stop. sunmo does not want you to talk about this guy.
Sorry SunnyMo...it will never happen again.
So how's that Mike Gasperson looking?
it's not so much the weed but the timing. you know, the gm's know, organ-i-zations know everybody in the farging world knows you are entering the nfl draft and you still take your future out of your hands by making a stupid decision so close to getting drafted. at least get drafted first, then smoke a joint on tv, that's better than them finding out beforehand. mary j is only in your body for a few weeks, he should at least know that but still decided to smoke up which i think made the suits in the nfl shake their heads. smoke during mini camp or training camp, lol. i'm not sure if he or his agent sent a letter a la castillo saying sorry but...it is kinda surprising raiders/bengals etc. haven't drafted him. i just think it's the timing which makes personnel think he's giving out a big f you i'll do what i want attitude, which is worse bc his attitude involves drugs.
stay in drugs dont do nfl
So did the Eagles sign this clown or are we stuck with players who were actually drafted?
nope
QuoteNFL | Bowman has yet to receive offer from teamThu, 1 May 2008 12:58:46 -0700
Correcting previous reports, Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports undrafted rookie free-agent WR Adarius Bowman (Oklahoma State) has not received an offer from an NFL team and it is uncertain if he will in the future. His agent said he is uncertain of a future destination for Bowman.
QuoteBOWMAN ISN'T A BIRD
Posted by Mike Florio on May 1, 2008, 2:51 p.m.
We've been flooded today with e-mails from PFT Planeteers in Philly asking about Internet reports (man, I hate those) that the Eagles have inked Oklahoma State receiver Adarius Bowman.
Per a league source with knowledge of the situation, the Eagles have not signed Bowman. We're also told that they will not sign him.
Bowman was expected to be a first-day draft pick. An April 14 guilty plea to marijuana possession hurt him, and he ultimately wasn't drafted
fargin sign this squint-eyed basterd already, he's the next chris collingsworth!
did they sign that guy that couldn't get drafted yet?
url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-cardinals-boldin&prov=ap&type=lgns]Boldin likes Arizona[/url]
QuoteAnquan Boldin says it's news to him that he's unhappy and wants out of Arizona.
To the contrary, the two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver says he wants to remain with the Cardinals and is not upset that he has yet to get a new contract on par with teammate Larry Fitzgerald.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 11:31:31 PM
did they sign that guy that couldn't get drafted yet?
No apparently they wont sign a guy who got caught smoking weed, but they will draft a guy still facing burglary charges who has a torn ACL.
Makes sense, right?
Quote from: methdeez on May 03, 2008, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 11:31:31 PM
did they sign that guy that couldn't get drafted yet?
No apparently they wont sign a guy who got caught smoking weed, but they will draft a guy still facing burglary charges who has a torn ACL AND smokes weed.
Fixed.
I guess they don't want Patterson, Buck, Ike and Bowman all rollin down South St blazed...
Quote from: rjs246 on May 03, 2008, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: methdeez on May 03, 2008, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2008, 11:31:31 PM
did they sign that guy that couldn't get drafted yet?
No apparently they wont sign a guy who got caught smoking weed, but they will draft a guy still facing burglary charges who has a torn ACL AND smokes weed.
Fixed.
I forgot about that weed thin with him too...nice.
Well, it's not like we need WR's or anything...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2008, 10:40:09 PM
I guess they don't want Patterson, Buck, Ike and Bowman all rollin down South St blazed...
I'm not arguin'. I'm just sayin'.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080505_Eagles_to_open_training_camp_July_21.html
camp to open july 21st, vets to report on the 24th. um, w00t?
Two and a half months... :drool
whats this shtein i heard on 610 this morning that McNabbs hurt already and was held out of drills yesterday because he reached his "throwing total". plus Cataldi said he's been spotted numerous time walking around like his arm is very sore.
Quote from: MultipleScoregasims on May 06, 2008, 10:42:05 AM
whats this shtein i heard on 610 this morning that McNabbs hurt already and was held out of drills yesterday because he reached his "throwing total". plus Cataldi said he's been spotted numerous time walking around like his arm is very sore.
That's just WIP reaching for a story again:
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080506_Eagles_Notebook__Eagles__Herremans_knows_he_has_big_competition.html)
Quote
Donovan McNabb, who apparently was on a minicamp pitch count, sat out the final practice. There was no indication of a problem . . .
Jesus, I hate Cataldi.
Someone just go Eight Belles on him already.
QuoteTra Thomas was held out for treatment of a cyst on his forehead.
I hope it didn't affect his unibrow
OMGSEASONOVER.
THIS is why people hate WIP.
ed snider was on DNL and the guy asked him something like why all the negativity in this city? and he said something like , "we're the only city that has WIP"
DNL is better than WIP, but half the people on there look like the golden girls and cartoon characters. then sal pal comes on and starts going "ah ah ah I DON'T SEE..." and john smallwood starts crying then stan hochman dies
I can just imagine Angelo gettin all fired up about it. Then Rhea would chime in with her garbage. Then they'd probably have Sal Pal come on and in his ominous voice he'd confirm it through multiple sources inside the Novacare Complex. Then they'd have Spads on and he'd deny it and they'd rip him.
Jokers.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8122304/Green-Bay-lets-go-Robinson (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8122304/Green-Bay-lets-go-Robinson)
I would take a flyer...
Quote from: methdeez on May 09, 2008, 06:38:48 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8122304/Green-Bay-lets-go-Robinson (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8122304/Green-Bay-lets-go-Robinson)
I would take a flyer...
Not sure why......he's a talented but horribly inconsistant receiver and the Eagles have plenty of them as it is. His best attribute is in the return game but I think the Eagles are secure there with Jackson now.
is he even that talented really
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 09, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: methdeez on May 09, 2008, 06:38:48 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8122304/Green-Bay-lets-go-Robinson (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8122304/Green-Bay-lets-go-Robinson)
I would take a flyer...
Not sure why......he's a talented but horribly inconsistant receiver and the Eagles have plenty of them as it is. His best attribute is in the return game but I think the Eagles are secure there with Jackson now.
I think the Eagles have plenty of consistently mediocre recievers. I could do with a flash of talent now and then, just to break the monotony.
Plus it would be for the vet minimum, which is almost free.
QuoteEagles must pile it on to get to top of heap
Sunday, May 11, 2008
BY MARK ECKEL
NFL
There's a story that has made the rounds from Super Bowl XV, the Eagles' first trip to the Big Game, in New Orleans back in 1981. Then owner Leonard Tose wanted to entertain several friends at one of the Big Easy's better restaurants for brunch the afternoon of the game.
Tose sent one of his right-hand men into the restaurant to get reservations for the rather large party. Told by the host that the restaurant was completely booked the entire day, and there was nothing he could do, Tose's man explained it was for the owner of the Eagles.
It didn't matter, the host said, there really was nothing he could do.
Until Tose's guy started placing $100 bills one by one on the counter, when the pile got high enough, the host finally gave in and said, "Tell, Mr. Tose to have his party here by noon."
Why is this story relevant 27 years later?
The Eagles need to apply the same strategy to get the missing piece to its offense, namely a big- play wide receiver.
If the team's supposed interest in Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald was sincere, it's no secret it feels it needs a more viable threat in the passing game than what is on the current roster.
Forget Chad Johnson. The Bengals are playing hardball with him and are not going to deal him and he may be as much trouble as he is worth, and he's worth plenty.
Detroit's Roy Williams should be the target. His quotes this past week in which he admitted he thought he was going to be traded before, or during, the draft, speaks volumes.
After an uninspiring, one eye on the future draft, going after Williams and not letting him go to Dallas, who is also supposedly very interested, would be the blockbuster, go for it, all in move the Eagles need to restore some optimism to their fanbase not to mention their soon-to-be 32-year-old quarterback and a 29-year-old running back who want to win now.
The Lions, like the Bengals, have said they won't trade Williams, who is in the final year of his contract and will be an unrestricted free agent going into the 2009 season. The Eagles, however, need to make Detroit an offer the Lions simply cannot refuse.
There is certainly ammunition, with that extra first-round pick from Carolina, an extra fifth-round pick from Cleveland, and of course cornerback Lito Sheppard, who played perfect soldier last week at the mini-camp. There are also other players who could be packaged as well.
One veteran, who will remain nameless at this time, told me last week his agent told him he could be part of a trade package with Sheppard. So something could still be in the works.
You can only hope it's for a wide receiver and that the receiver is Williams (you could settle for Arizona's Anquan Bolden, but I want Williams).
The Eagles need to act like Tose's man did back at that Super Bowl. Call the Lions and start with Sheppard and a No. 1 pick for Williams. If, and when, they refuse, start adding picks and players until the pile gets so high, the Lions can't say no. Maybe they can even get Matt Millen to throw them back a corner, like Keith Smith, in the deal.
Detroit got help for its front seven on defense and its offensive line in the draft, but could certainly use a player such as Sheppard for the secondary. Lions head coach Rod Marinelli is from the Tampa Bay system and Sheppard could do for his defense what Ronde Barber did for the Bucs all those years.
Maybe running backs Tony Hunt or Ryan Moats, two very expendable Eagles, would interest the Lions. Put either one on the pile. Throw in wide receiver and former University of Michigan player Jason Avant, who could possibly be welcomed back. Offer wide receiver Reggie Brown, who is 11 months older than Williams, if need be.
Don't stop -- an extra mid-round pick next year, a pick in 2009 -- whatever it takes to get the 26-year-old game-breaking receiver in return.
Contact Mark Eckel at meckel@njtimes.com
While I actually agree with what he is saying, there is no chance any of that happens. Got to love the nameless player reference.
Trading Roy to the Eagles makes sense, but this is the Lions so that means they will probably keep. Apparently they think the way to fix their defense is to sign over the hill veterans.
Kearse (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Kearse_a_joke_in_Philadelphia.html) blames Eagles for piss poor play again.
Quote
At Titans camp this weekend, Kearse seemed to put the blame for his failings on the Eagles' defensive scheme, rather than a decline in his ability brought on by age or injury, according to an interview with the Tennessean's Paul Kuharsky.
"I'm still the same player, but that scheme up in Philly was different," he said. "All I've got to say is proof is in the pudding, so I can't even talk about it. Just watch and see."
Farg Kearse, that mf took the money and ran. He was the most overpaid player on the team. No wonder the Eagles brass are afraid to dump money in FA, after Kearse the Hearse, (slow as), and friggen' TO. Players make plays no matter what system they are in. STFU and stop making excuses. The system didn't cause him to get injured. He wants to rip JJ even though he was paid around three times more than his production warranted.
:flipoff
LOL at him blaming the scheme. Was the scheme at fault for him showing up at camp last year weighing around the same as David Akers?
farging gold bricking asshat.
he's just setting up the titans to look even dumber than the eagles. all in good time :yay
I cannot think of a position on either side of the ball that's success is less dependent on scheme than DE.
All you do is run at the QB. It has got to be the most individual position on the field, just you vs an OT.
Even DT's work togheter more and have more schemes and stunts.
Quote from: methdeez on May 12, 2008, 11:14:37 AM
I cannot think of a position on either side of the ball that's success is less dependent on scheme than DE.
All you do is run at the QB. It has got to be the most individual position on the field, just you vs an OT.
Even DT's work togheter more and have more schemes and stunts.
Well, he occasionally had to drop back into the zone or line up at "joker"... but Johnson would have kept him bringing it from the edge if he was actually productive in that way.
Just another overpaid under-productive whiner who blames everyone but himself for his piss poor play.
he definitely deserves the majority of the blame, but i blame the Eagles too. they played him in the stupid joker too much where he was dropping back into coverage. he's a pass rushing specialist and you have him covering backs and tight ends? stupid.
FF is on point regarding that...if he had been effective as a pass rusher, JJ would not have tried his skinny ass at Joker
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4a/200px-Cesar_Romero_Joker.gif)
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2008, 01:08:04 PM
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/joker-2.jpg)
Better.
deader
I'd guess that they are equally dead.
Just read that Eckel article. Didn't realize that Roy Williams is a UFA after this season. You know the Eagle's FO's line of thinking is why give up players now when they could POSSIBLY get him without expending anyone after the season.
Too bad the Lions will tag him and it will still cost the Eagles just as much to pry him away from them.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 12, 2008, 01:17:41 PM
I'd guess that they are equally dead.
Cesar Romero has actually been dead longer, but yes.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 12, 2008, 01:24:05 PM
Too bad the Lions will tag him and it will still cost the Eagles just as much to pry him away from them.
Good thing we got those two #1's next year. More likely, Reid giving up two #1's for a WR or the Reid kids showing up for Mother's day sober?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 12, 2008, 01:24:05 PM
Too bad the Lions will tag him and it will still cost the Eagles just as much to pry him away from them.
:-\ I guess my vicious hangover is no excuse for being a retard.
The Lions won't tag Roy Williams when Calvin Johnson breaks out this year.
Of course, the Eagles won't want Roy when he's a #2 either.
Are you kidding? They live for signing #2 WR's.
Joe Horn wants out of Atlanta (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/05/12/falcons_0513.html)
Joe Horn should be Eight Belled before another team actually signs him.
Ha, I used that term about a guy I work with a few days ago.
QuoteEagles Add 3 Rookie Free Agents
May 14, 2008 | Last Updated: 5/14/08 9:53 AM ET | Comments (0)
The Eagles added three more rookies free agents to their roster on Wednesday, signing quarterback Casey Hansen and linebackers Gary Butler and Mark Staffieri.
The 6-foot-6, 220-pound Hansen threw for 4,277 yards and 19 touchdowns during his two-year career at Norfolk State, where he led the MEAC in 2006 with 2,166 yards. He was a second-team All-Foothill Conference performer as a sophomore in 2005 at Chaffey Junior College in Rancho Cucamongo, CA, after transferring from Colorado State.
The 6-foot-1, 235-pound Butler registered 69 tackles, 12 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles in his senior season at California (PA), earning PSAC West Defensive Player of the Year honors and leading the Vulcans to a 13-1 record.
The 6-foot-3, 232-pound Staffieri recorded 54 tackles and one sack during his senior season at BYU and finished his four-year career with the Cougars with 132 tackles and two sacks.
a mormon udfa linebacker...great
...but does he have magic underpants?
(http://home.teleport.com/~packham/garment.jpg)
How magical can they be? They can't even press themselves.
those are not mormon models...mormons are all fat
The Penis pocket baffles me...
It's simple, really.
First insert, THEN jiggle it.
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080504/capt.45979ad7c0d742e6a82a140ec8b79e43.eagles_minicamp_football_pabb102.jpg)
leons getting larrrrrrrrrrrger
holy farg
Who's ass is he pinching?
Eagles @ Skins is part of the NFL replay today on NFL network.
yeah, i saw that, i set to record it on my dvr
Quote from: phattymatty on May 18, 2008, 03:14:18 PM
Eagles @ Skins is part of the NFL replay today on NFL network.
Figures. I was on duty back in Nov when the game was actually played so I had to listen to it on WIP. Now it's being replayed on tv and where am I? On duty.
Yay me!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 18, 2008, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on May 18, 2008, 03:14:18 PM
Eagles @ Skins is part of the NFL replay today on NFL network.
Figures. I was on duty back in Nov when the game was actually played so I had to listen to it on WIP. Now it's being replayed on tv and where am I? On duty.
Yay me!
Everybody has a sob story, Sarge. Nobody wants to hear yours.
Umm, This (http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/17/eagles-television-network-goes-all-hd-for-the-2008-season/#comments) goes here, I guess?
QuoteEagles fans, we can't guarantee you'll return to the top of the NFC East this season, but we can say you'll enjoy an Eagles Television Network lineup produced entirely in HD. Owner Jeffrey Lurie's film production experience (and we're sure an overpriced stadium beer or two) is apparently to thank for the transition, facilitated by some forward thinking during a recent master control upgrade, and new cameras from Panasonic. Unfortunately, the monitors in the stadium will still be standard def only, with no chance of an upgrade before 2009 at the earliest, but with Philly's history, odds are we can expect them before another sports championship in the city (though the Flyers may have something to say about that).
Spadaro gets murdered in this article...
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-05162008-1534954.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-05162008-1534954.html)
Quote from: Father Demon on May 18, 2008, 09:52:05 PM
Umm, This (http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/17/eagles-television-network-goes-all-hd-for-the-2008-season/#comments) goes here, I guess?
QuoteEagles fans, we can't guarantee you'll return to the top of the NFC East this season, but we can say you'll enjoy an Eagles Television Network lineup produced entirely in HD. Owner Jeffrey Lurie's film production experience (and we're sure an overpriced stadium beer or two) is apparently to thank for the transition, facilitated by some forward thinking during a recent master control upgrade, and new cameras from Panasonic. Unfortunately, the monitors in the stadium will still be standard def only, with no chance of an upgrade before 2009 at the earliest, but with Philly's history, odds are we can expect them before another sports championship in the city (though the Flyers may have something to say about that).
Guessing that was either published earlier this morning or sometime yesterday.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 18, 2008, 10:16:18 PM
Spadaro gets murdered in this article...
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-05162008-1534954.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-05162008-1534954.html)
Hard to argue with that article. Seems to be right on. I like this part the best out of it.
QuoteWhat Spadaro, Reid and the Eagles hierarchy don't seem to understand is that the media is not supposed to be cheerleaders for the team. Our job is to ask questions of the franchise that the fans want answered. Those fans have made this franchise very profitable. They have been rewarded with disappointment and failure on a yearly basis for most of their lifetimes.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 18, 2008, 10:16:18 PM
Spadaro gets murdered in this article...
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-05162008-1534954.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-05162008-1534954.html)
Brutal and hilarious.
When beat writers and radio people rip on Spads it reeks of jealousy and spite.
The sooner they (and some fans) accept that he does what he is paid to do, the sooner they will realize that its not worth getting all bent outta shape over.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2008, 11:17:43 PMThe sooner they (and some fans) accept that he does what he is paid to do, the sooner they will realize that its not worth getting all bent outta shape over.
The article does accept what Spadaro is paid to do. It's a response to Spadaro ripping on the media for doing what
they get paid to do.
QuoteFor the most part, the rest of the Philadelphia media accepted this as a guy just trying to collect a paycheck and doing his job. Sure, there were some giggles, but Spadaro seemed like a nice guy to those who met him and everybody went along their merry way.
That was until "Spuds" decided to become the lecturer on all things journalism on the first day of minicamp.
Kevin Cooney is really farging fat.
:-D
Quote from: phattymatty on May 18, 2008, 10:16:18 PM
Spadaro gets murdered in this article...
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-05162008-1534954.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-05162008-1534954.html)
QuoteFor the most part, the rest of the Philadelphia media accepted this as a guy just trying to collect a paycheck and doing his job. Sure, there were some giggles, but Spadaro seemed like a nice guy to those who met him and everybody went along their merry way.
That was until "Spuds" decided to become the lecturer on all things journalism on the first day of minicamp.
He wondered why there were not more positive questions asked of Donovan McNabb, Andy Reid or Brian Dawkins during their press conferences. (Apparently, we are all supposed to be positive about an 8-8, last-place team.) He thought the media was just trying to dig up dirt when questions were asked about McNabb's desire for more "weapons" on offense. (In a later column, he blasted Comcast SportsNet Chicago's Pat Boyle for asking the "same boring questions" of McNabb. Please.)
I don't know what's funnier/worst. Spadaro giving journalism advice to journalists or this Kevin Cooney guy writing an article about how it hurt his feelings.
Spuds is a PR guy, plain and simple. And in that regard, he does a pretty damn good job. He works on the website, Eagles digest, ETN and probably does a bunch of crap we don't even see. Is he a douchebag? Of course he is. He's a professional yes man. Anyone who looks to any Eagles publication for actual "inside" information is wasting their time.
I don't know who this Kevin Cooney guy is but I think his article strongly resembles something that a 15 year old girl would blog about on her myspace page.
Quote from: Rome on May 18, 2008, 11:42:35 PM
Kevin Cooney is really farging fat.
:-D
He hasn't looked down and seen his fleshpop in years.
Of course, he's absolutely right. But he'd be better served by leaving his headshot off of the articles.
not enough bad things can happen to dave spadaro
hes worse than the people on ES
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2008, 12:54:03 AM
I don't know who this Kevin Cooney guy is but I think his article strongly resembles something that a 15 year old girl would blog about on her myspace page.
i would agree with that if he didn't take the time to dig up quotes that basically let spadaro hang himself
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2008, 08:15:26 AM
not enough bad things can happen to dave spadaro
hes worse than the people on ES
lol...I really don't get the logic there. I mean, the guy is over the top and often ridiculous...but he's getting paid to be what he is. He's an overt PR guy, who pays his bills by painting a positive spin on Eagles stuff.
If he's not more positive than random fans on a message board, he wouldn't be doing his job.
That said, I do think he could have toned it down a notch to build up some credibility...but that ship has sailed. Personally, I don't read anything he writes, because it's a waste of time...but I don't understand the venom. I mean, at his worst, he's useless as a source of information. The fact that people get invested enough in the drivel to care is the funny part.
I can understand why reporters would be upset with Spads hypocrisy with his lecturing them on professionalism and journalist integrity. Spads would be much better off just ignoring the criticism and just do his job of spouting off the company line.
Quote from: SunMo on May 19, 2008, 09:07:49 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2008, 12:54:03 AM
I don't know who this Kevin Cooney guy is but I think his article strongly resembles something that a 15 year old girl would blog about on her myspace page.
i would agree with that if he didn't take the time to dig up quotes that basically let spadaro hang himself
But that's the thing.....why does a "professional" journalist even care what the hell Spadaro is writing? Everyone knows that Spads probably doesn't write anything that isn't routed through Reid/Banner/Lurie first. So who gives a ish? Go back a few years and I'm sure that if a journalist took exception to something that another person said/wrote, then he would have at least confronted the person about it and maybe kicked a little ass. But they wouldn't turn their article into some juvenille he said, she said pile of crap.
Nuke the offseason.
Your face nukes your mom's offseason.
Quote from: Zanshin on May 19, 2008, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2008, 08:15:26 AM
not enough bad things can happen to dave spadaro
hes worse than the people on ES
lol...I really don't get the logic there. I mean, the guy is over the top and often ridiculous...but he's getting paid to be what he is. He's an overt PR guy, who pays his bills by painting a positive spin on Eagles stuff.
If he's not more positive than random fans on a message board, he wouldn't be doing his job.
That said, I do think he could have toned it down a notch to build up some credibility...but that ship has sailed. Personally, I don't read anything he writes, because it's a waste of time...but I don't understand the venom. I mean, at his worst, he's useless as a source of information. The fact that people get invested enough in the drivel to care is the funny part.
first of all PR guys shouldnt double as journalists....but mostly his problem is that hes a pompous condencending icehole in the way he goes about his job....hes basically bubba from ES
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2008, 09:42:51 AM
Quote from: SunMo on May 19, 2008, 09:07:49 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2008, 12:54:03 AM
I don't know who this Kevin Cooney guy is but I think his article strongly resembles something that a 15 year old girl would blog about on her myspace page.
i would agree with that if he didn't take the time to dig up quotes that basically let spadaro hang himself
But that's the thing.....why does a "professional" journalist even care what the hell Spadaro is writing?
because people take offense to two bit hacks like spadaro telling them how to do their job...its bad enough that spadaro goes to press conferences and has the gall to ask questions...but to go on off on real newsmen in the manner he does i would imagine is infuriating to them
First of all, IGY's comparison of Spadaro to the douchebags at ES is completely laughable. The Eagles official website is a hundred times better than the taterskins site and the content that is offered is actually excellent. I don't agree with everything Spadaro trowels out and his unending positivity is annoying at times, but come on. The hatred thing is pretty silly too especially considering you've never met the guy. What he can say or write publicly is pretty farging far from what he actually believes about the team, so expecting him to tell everyone the "truth" especially considering what his function is is unrealistic to say the least.
As far as his comments about the writers in town, he's right about a lot of them because just as much as it is his job to point out the positive, it's their job to stir up controversy and focus on the negative. That's what newspaper hacks do best because controversy sells papers.
For me the bottom line is this... I don't read his On the Inside articles because I know they're fluff. I also don't read a lot of what the columnists offer up because it's fluff of the opposite variety.
I wonder how many people actually pay for "Eagles Insider" magazine.
if you ask me andy reid has gotten an unbelievble pass from the philly media pretty much from day one...more so than anyone i can remember in my lifetime of following sports in the city....
they also were exemplary thruout his family troubles
which makes it even more sickening that spadaro would attack the media after a frigging mini camp coming off a playoffless season...just shut the farg up you little twat
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 19, 2008, 09:50:12 AM
I wonder how many people actually pay for "Eagles Insider" magazine.
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my girl (bless her heart) got me a subscription for my birthday
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 19, 2008, 09:50:12 AM
I wonder how many people actually pay for "Eagles Insider" magazine.
I subscribed to Eagles
Digest for one season back in 01 or 02. And aside from the fact that the content didn't really contain anything I couldn't already read on the website for free, it was really annoying that I would always get my weekly issue on Monday or Tuesday after the game was played.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2008, 09:54:28 AM
my girl (bless her heart) got me a subscription for my birthday
It's the thought that counts.
i use the issues to help light my grill that i cook salmon burgers on
As a season ticket holder you should get it for free.
i never received an issue in my live until she subscribed.....crooks
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2008, 09:46:49 AM
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first of all PR guys shouldnt double as journalists....but mostly his problem is that hes a pompous condencending icehole in the way he goes about his job....hes basically bubba from ES
I don't really care enough to argue about it...but I'm not sure what idiot would actually consider Spadaro a legitimate Journalist. I don't think his mother would even sell him as that.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2008, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 19, 2008, 09:50:12 AM
I wonder how many people actually pay for "Eagles Insider" magazine.
I subscribed to Eagles Digest for one season back in 01 or 02. And aside from the fact that the content didn't really contain anything I couldn't already read on the website for free, it was really annoying that I would always get my weekly issue on Monday or Tuesday after the game was played.
I had a subscription in '93, before the bulk of the Internet stuff was available...but I cancelled it because it always came a few days too late. I can't imagine why anyone would want it these days.
Spadaro is not a journalist and should never refer to himself as one. Even worse, he is not even a remotely talented writer and shouldn't ever have the gall to call out other legitimate journalists.
However, if you are a 'real' journalist, dealing with opposition and naysayers and criticism is part of the deal. Learn to farging deal with it and don't write whine-pieces about douchebags like Spadaro.
There, can everyone stop talking about this now?
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Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2008, 09:46:49 AM
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first of all PR guys shouldnt double as journalists....but mostly his problem is that hes a pompous condencending icehole in the way he goes about his job....hes basically bubba from ES
I don't really care enough to argue about it...but I'm not sure what idiot would actually consider Spadaro a legitimate Journalist. I don't think his mother would even sell him as that.
no one does....and its why legit journalists would take major offense to him telling them how to do their jobs...ever since spadaro started showing up at eagle pressers and getting mic time theres been simmering tensions btwn the local media and him....
if he just did his fluff stuff on the eagle website that would be one thing but once hes starts trying to portray himself as a real media type and starts opening his mouth and trying to rip and talk down to other people is where he becomes king douche bag...just like on his call in show when he spazzes out on callers who continually criticize the team....i dont care if in his down time he buys easy beers at the local bar the guy comes off like a complete and total dickhead and i mean seperate from his homertastic leanings
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i still don't get the headline.
Fat = evil.
FTW?
Does he have an actual chin or is that lump just a cup cake stuck in his throat?
Quote from: Rome on May 19, 2008, 09:47:48 AMAs far as his comments about the writers in town, he's right about a lot of them because just as much as it is his job to point out the positive, it's their job to stir up controversy and focus on the negative. That's what newspaper hacks do best because controversy sells papers.
actually thats a misconception. newspapers sell a lot better the day after an eagles win than a loss. generally when things are bad people dont want to read about it, they want to express their anger to cataldi and eskin (two enormous hacks in their own right) on 610. that shtein works for the awful medium known as sports radio, not for newspapers.
yeah theres a huge difference btwn controversy and negativity
reids cracked out kids = higher circulation
mike patterson hitting a bong on the side of the road in blackwood = higher circulation
bob ford ripping the eagles after a loss = lower circulation
Meh...newspaper journalists are extra pissy these days because of the spygate debacle and the knowledge that their industry is on its way out as they know it.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2008, 11:29:38 AM
Does he have an actual chin or is that lump just a cup cake stuck in his throat?
You can sometimes see him in the background when players or coaches get interviewed by the local stations. He's gotta be at least 400+ and he's got those fat stubby fingers when he holds the tape recorder
cooney is HUGE ! seriously, i have seeen him driving around and his car leans bigtime to the drivers side. no doubt he goes through left side struts every 30days.
Quote from: MDS on May 19, 2008, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: Rome on May 19, 2008, 09:47:48 AMAs far as his comments about the writers in town, he's right about a lot of them because just as much as it is his job to point out the positive, it's their job to stir up controversy and focus on the negative. That's what newspaper hacks do best because controversy sells papers.
actually thats a misconception. newspapers sell a lot better the day after an eagles win than a loss. generally when things are bad people dont want to read about it, they want to express their anger to cataldi and eskin (two enormous hacks in their own right) on 610. that shtein works for the awful medium known as sports radio, not for newspapers.
That would be accurate if newspapers sold was the only measure of financial success for media companies. How about website hits? How many hits did that fat slob's article create on phillyburbs.com? How much more can they charge advertisers on the site with those increased hits?
Wow. So you're still talking about this, eh? That's super.
The best part about this article was that dude's last name.
I used to like hearing Eckel and Rhea and the likes get all riled up about Spads. They'd drone on for awhile about how he's a homer and he sugar coats it all and blah blah blah.
All I know is I'd kill for Spads' job. He's got maybe the best job out there.
Quote from: Zanshin on May 19, 2008, 12:03:10 PM
Meh...newspaper journalists are extra pissy these days because of the spygate debacle and the knowledge that their industry is on its way out as they know it.
I don't know if the industry is on it's way out as you say, but it shore as hell lost a load of credibility with spygate.
Really though, as long as it took for whatever tapes there were to become public, does anyone really believe that the incriminating ones weren't destroyed?
spads just said in the debate that local writers are jealous of him because his site is giving the fans the whole picture of the team and thus is killing newspapers
lmao
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2008, 11:21:16 PM
All I know is I'd kill for Spads' job. He's got maybe the best job out there.
Every aspect of his job is awesome except for the part where you can't say anything bad about the Eagles. And that's enough to make me never want to do it.
bullshtein. i would bite my lip every day of my life to have his job.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 20, 2008, 09:45:38 AM
lmao
did you listen to any of it....the end was pure comedy...
spads tried to argue for ten straight minutes that he was a journalist...
then morganti says "can you be fired by the eagles?"
spads "of course"
morganti "then youre NOT a journalist"
game over
and theres no chance i would want his job...what does he get thats so special...free tickets to the games is the only thing i can think of that he gets that i would want
i'm listening to it now. angelo just called him a jackass.
spads is trying to say it's irresponsible to print unnamed sources. what a joke.
He get paid handsomely to cover the Eagles and gets inside access to everything about the team that we all love and have followed since birth.
If you wouldn't want his job then something is wrong with you.
Quote from: Rome on May 20, 2008, 10:19:36 AM
He get paid handsomely to cover the Eagles and gets inside access to everything about the team that we all love and have followed since birth.
If you wouldn't want his job then something is wrong with you.
what inside access does he get that you crave so much...i dont ever wanna talk to an eagle player or coach and i certainly dont wanna talk to the part of the eagle fanbase that calls his show and posts on his site....i could care less about hanging out at novacare or in the dorms at lehigh....
i do however want free tickets to the games
as far as im concerned the rest is stalker type shtein...plus i bet i make close to as much as he does and i dont have to put up with the shtein
yeah matty i totally forgot about that sources thing...which might have been the most ridiculous part of he whole thing...he literally said one time "i just dont like unmaed sources"...al or someone was like watergate wouldnt have happened without unamed sources...unamed sources are one of the foundations of journalism
Your pathological hate for the guy is comical, dude.
Whatever, though. There's a chance I could care less about this subject, but not much of one.
you know that he knows he's a company PR guy and not a real journalist. he lost every battle in the debate but was still able to joke by the end, i actually think he did pretty well considering he had no chance.
cooney didn't say more than 3 sentences. i guess it takes a lot of energy when you're that obese.
ha...yeah i dont even know why cooney was in there....he surprisingly doesnt sound fat at all
Quote from: Rome on May 20, 2008, 10:27:48 AM
Your pathological hate for the guy is comical, dude.
i dont know about comical but its all too real and i fully admit it...other than racists i hate homers more than anything in the world....and homers that are condecending blowhard ahole losers get a special place in my heart
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2008, 10:38:53 AM
homers that are condecending blowhard ahole losers get a special place in my heart
It should be noted that this is the opposite of the special place you have reserved for the Dallas Cowboys.
jimmy johnson > ______________
reid's 3 part interview on csn is tough to watch.
in part 2, he bragged about trying & failing to get randy moss. then he pointed out that new england went out & got all those WR's last year but still didn't win the super bowl. yeah, so you don't good wr's to win a super bowl.
jeezus.
Reid's a clown and I'm tired of his act as well. I understand stubborn and I understand arrogant having both character traits, but for God's sake, he takes both to absurd levels.
He has the ammunition to go out and get whatever receiver he wants. He knows they need a game breaker and yet he refuses to do what's necessary to get one.
How sad for all of us.
GET TO
Get bent.
Is he a good player?
He's got straight line top speed.
What type of speed are we talking here? Could he beat Munson in a footrace?
Is there any way we could actively recruit some new posters here? Seriously.
Nothing like the offseason to bring out the best in everyone....
Quote from: rjs246 on May 20, 2008, 01:16:14 PM
Is there any way we could actively recruit some new posters here? Seriously.
The asian porn doesn't seem to be working anymore. People are so jaded.
Very punny.
QuoteIs there any way we could actively recruit some new posters here? Seriously.
everyone heard that once you join you automatically get AIDS and you should DIE...why bother recruit?
Quote from: reese125 on May 20, 2008, 04:04:48 PM
QuoteIs there any way we could actively recruit some new posters here? Seriously.
everyone heard that once you join you automatically get AIDS and you should DIE...why bother recruit?
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dude is jacked for having the Hiv
Quote from: Diomedes on May 20, 2008, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 20, 2008, 01:16:14 PM
Is there any way we could actively recruit some new posters here? Seriously.
The asian porn doesn't seem to be working anymore. People are so jaded.
Bravo.
Clips of that Reid interview for the out-of-towners:
Moss (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/051908-reidmoss.wmv)
the WR myth (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/051908-reidwr.wmv)
Draft strategy (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/051908-reiddraft.wmv)
Speed on the d-line (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/051908-reidd-line.wmv)
Lito (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/051908-reidlito.wmv)
Dawk (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/051908-reiddawkins.wmv)
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 20, 2008, 04:09:17 PM
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Quote from: rjs246 on May 20, 2008, 01:16:14 PM
Is there any way we could actively recruit some new posters here? Seriously.
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If any of you had friends, you'd probably tell them to come check this place out. So no, there's no way to get new people here.
I mentioned it to the guy trying to wash my truck window today with a dirty newspaper. Maybe he'll drop by later.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 20, 2008, 07:03:23 PM
If any of you had friends, you'd probably tell them to come check this place out. So no, there's no way to get new people here.
Once Munson and ATV and get through hell night, I hope you got something awesome planned for fall Rush.
This is the best fraternity ever.
The only way I'd join a frat is for guaranteed drinking on the weekends. My life already has that anyway, so I'm set :yay
Quote from: General_Failure on May 20, 2008, 07:03:23 PM
If any of you had friends, you'd probably tell them to come check this place out. So no, there's no way to get new people here.
FF is my friend, and he is already here. So once again, I bring nothing to the table.
Quote from: Munson on May 20, 2008, 07:39:39 PM
The only way I'd join a frat is for guaranteed drinking on the weekends. My life already has that anyway, so I'm set :yay
Liar, you were sold the second you found out about the fraternity hazing ritual using a ritz cracker.
Quote from: paco on May 20, 2008, 08:04:30 PM
FF is my friend, and he is already here. So once again, I bring nothing to the table.
It takes a lot of courage to admit that on this board. I love you too, stud.
Quote from: paco on May 20, 2008, 08:04:30 PM
Liar, you were sold the second you found out about the fraternity hazing ritual using a ritz cracker.
Don't forget the other ingredients: sweat, and dreams.
for the record, ATV is a bona fide :CF cool kid now.
Munson, never so much
So, Kris Wilson from the Chiefs is on our team.
I guess I missed this in the rush of off-season excitement.
He is also now the 2nd TE on the depth chart.
Anyone ever remember having seen him play?
Is this the end of Schobel?
Yes, I am bored.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 20, 2008, 08:14:10 PM
for the record, ATV is a bona fide :CF cool kid now.
Munson, never so much
He's a very valuable member of this board. Just like I make myself feel better by comparing myself to all of you, all of you do the same with him.
The irony being that I'm glad I'm not grumpy old iceholes like all of you 8)
See, everyone wins.
Isn't this place great??
I still say it could use a bit more cowbell.
I have no idea what you're talking about
I refuse to believe that.
Suit yourself..I guess I'll have to wait until your droll internet memes reveal themselves to me in their own time.
Lock
Thread.
i joined, but i havent had anything important to say since i told my boyfirend i thought i might be gay
This ain't Grouphug.
Quote from: Father Demon on May 28, 2008, 04:20:44 PM
This ain't Grouphug.
anytime you post i literally look at your avatar for about 4-5mins. its hypnotizing...its just like getting sprayed with mace except there's no rolling around on the floor screaming. it just calms and quites me.
How exactly is that like getting sprayed with mace?
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NFL.com: Schefter's 5 teams that have shown interest in Jason Taylor (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=4AA8AA73EAC1CCE60C951F44D9C021F7?id=09000d5d8089542b&template=with-video&confirm=true)
QuotePhiladelphia –- Throughout the offseason, the Eagles have tried to make a big splash. First they landed free-agent cornerback Asante Samuel. Then they nearly signed free-agent wide receiver Randy Moss. They inquired about trading for Cincinnati wide receiver Chad Johnson. And they have looked into the possibility of trading for Taylor. Eagles coach Andy Reid never has enough defensive linemen. During the Reid era, the Eagles have drafted a defensive lineman with their top pick five times in nine years, including this past year, when Philadelphia drafted Notre Dame defensive tackle Trevor Laws in the second round with the 47th overall pick. Taylor would team with Pro Bowl defensive end Trent Cole to give the Eagles a dynamic pass-rushing tag team.
Can he play wideout?
Probably, yes.
I'm all about picking up Taylor but Tuna is asking way too much for him. Dude is only going to play 1 or 2 more years. I'd think about giving up a 3rd rd pick but nothing higher. If he plays 2 years and his production stays in line with what he's done over the last few years then it would be worth it.
I'd give up the Eagles' 3rd round pick in a heartbeat for Taylor. Because while most teams would still be looking for bonafide starters and contributors... the Eagles are already taking fliers on small school projects and players they want to switch positions.
At least this year it was a black guy.
BTW, Stu Bradley now has a blog! (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15522)
whenever people used to bitch about unused cap space, the FO lovers would always rush to the team's defense by claiming that they actually spend towards the top of league in actual payroll each year. the USA Today has a search engine where you can look at each year from 2000 to 2007 and see how each team ranks in overall payroll.
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2005
here's how the Eagles looked:
2000 - 11th
2001 - 17th
2002 - 6th
2003 - 17th
2004 - 2nd
2005 - 28th
2006 - 14th
2007 - 16th
only 2 years they were in the top 10 and the one year they were top 3 they went to the Super Bowl. not exactly the commitment to winning that we're always being fed.
lol @ making the superbowl and having an offseason consisting of mike mcmahon
I don't know who would believe that the Eagles are always towards the top of the league in spending each year. I don't know how that would be possible considering that the Eagles are usually at the top in terms of unspent cap dollars.
Looking back, the worst thing that could have happened to this franchise under the current regime, was for them to win (alot) early on while being cheap about it. It gave them this disillusion that they don't need to spend money in order to reach the top. And while I'm not advocating undisciplined spending the like the Racists, the Eagles have failed to find that happy medium where they are spending smartly on high priced talent to go along with their core of moderately priced players.
Just once I would like to see them jump out of the gate and overspend to bring the best free agent player in...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 02, 2008, 01:35:15 PM
And while I'm not advocating undisciplined spending the like the Racists, the Eagles have failed to find that happy medium where they are spending smartly on high priced talent to go along with their core of moderately priced players.
id take undiciplined spending every day all day as long as i thought my team had a chance for a title...you need to target your spending...i have absolutely no problem taking it easy some years and building thru the draft and with young players especially if you arent an upper echelon team...my biggest issue was all those years of being a superbowl challenger and only one year did they make any sort of power moves to take that extra leap
its also not just about hitting the free agent market with abandoned it making the players you already have well paid...for example its inexcusable to have all that extra money and have westbrook not be properly compensated...and if you have the money why not give lito a few extra bucks to make him happy and have a truly dominant secondary...instead they go out and put 20 mil guaranteed towards a position that wasnt in great need of help while these verteran guys who have been putting in work with the team for years and are underpaid
You really worded that well to leave yourself an opening to bitch about what they do, no matter which way they go. Bravo.
PS. Unhappy players play better.
i know its hard for you to hear anything negative at all about the front office and when someone does criticize in your mind that means they always do but the fact is i havent bitched about an offseason since the mcmahon debacle (thats three years dookie).....i also loved 2004
Quote from: Wingspan on June 02, 2008, 02:00:41 PM
PS. Unhappy players play better.
2004 TO and 2005 TO disagree
I have probably criticized the front office more than you in the past few years. I just don't have the blind hatred of them which makes me nit pick every single thing that comes out of the novacare complex.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 02, 2008, 02:06:08 PM
I have probably criticized the front office more than you in the past few years. I just don't have the blind hatred of them which makes me nit pick every single thing that comes out of the novacare complex.
i dont think its nitpicking to criticize them for leaving money unspent on the cap during those nfc championship years...ESPECIALLY when they spin themselves as big time spenders and a front office that does everything they can to win
ha, overall payroll spent is nitpicking?
awesome
I think you're nitpicking about what is truly considered nitpicking.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 02, 2008, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 02, 2008, 02:06:08 PM
I have probably criticized the front office more than you in the past few years. I just don't have the blind hatred of them which makes me nit pick every single thing that comes out of the novacare complex.
i dont think its nitpicking to criticize them for leaving money unspent on the cap during those nfc championship years...ESPECIALLY when they spin themselves as big time spenders and a front office that does everything they can to win
I wasn't commenting on that. In fact, I don't disagree with that particular statement.
Crying about who they let go or hire as a scout... probably is nitpicking. Getting on anything that spadaro says... or banner says ... is nitpicking.
Who would have thought that it would be possible to have the exact same conversation for 6 years running. At some point you would expect the participants of the conversation to get bored and move on to new topics, but remarkably the Front Office Spending or Not Spending Enough Money conversation never seems to get old.
There's no new information. No new revelations to be uncovered, and yet, the conversation still thrives after years and years of the exact same points being made by both sides.
Sports are making us all retarded.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 02, 2008, 02:20:43 PM
Crying about who they let go or hire as a scout... probably is nitpicking. Getting on anything that spadaro says... or banner says ... is nitpicking.
hiring an accountant to be your head scout is at least as bad and maybe worse than the salary cap thing...it might be the single most awful move of this regime....it would be impossible to understate it
i fully admit to nitpicking banner and spadaro...but i reserve the right because they are iceholes who i hold in the highest possible contempt
Quote from: rjs246 on June 02, 2008, 02:23:55 PM
Sports are making us all retarded.
You may speak for us, sure. But you've been this way all along.
I make no claims to the contrary.
nm
Scott Young a was a no show for today's shtein. Maybe he's holding out for a better contract. Or maybe he's dead. Finally.
Maybe they cut him. At least I hope they did.
Surprising. If anything, I would expect Scott Young to show up too early.
I would expect him to get hit by a meteorite. But I'm an optimist.
SCOTT YOUNG UPDATE:
QuoteEagles coach Andy Reid said he had been warned by Smith that Sheppard would not be attending this camp. He received the same warning from Young's agent, Jeff Courtney, but still seemed miffed about the decision of his fourth-year guard from Brigham Young. Reid said he didn't know why the second-string guard wasn't in attendance.
Young, a fifth-round draft choice in 2005, is entering the final year of his contract and is scheduled to be paid $520,000 this season. After playing in 12 games in 2006, he dressed for just one game last season. If his intent is to get released, he may have helped his cause.
This is hilarious. Scott Young is trying to throw his weight around. What a dumbass.
That's ridiculous. What team is going to have a higher value rating on Scott Young than the one run by Andy Reid?
The Saints probably hold him in pretty high regard.
man i would love to be scott young. getting paid 500k for being a horrible backup.
Asante Samuel and DeSean Jackson both pulled their hammies today. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3426568) Welcome to the Eagles.
I still find the Scott Young thing hilarious.
I would love to know what him and his agent were thinking, their plan, when they decided to miss this. Did they think that Andy would call right away and offer a new deal?
Release his ass.
would andy cut a fellow mormon just like that?
Sure.
After counseling him, praying with him and telling him how tough it is to cut a player of his caliber.
Have Mike Carey call Scott Young up, throw a yellow flag at his face and tell him he sucks.
QuoteCornerback Asante Samuel and rookie receiver DeSean Jackson both left practice early yesterday with mild hamstring strains. . . . Running back Brian Westbrook did not take his scheduled turn at the podium yesterday at the NovaCare Complex. A team spokesman said Westbrook had not been told in advance that it was his day to address the media. . . . Offensive lineman Mike McGlynn, a fourth-round pick from Pittsburgh, agreed to a four-year deal yesterday. He joined safety Quintin Demps as the first Eagles rookies to sign.
Edit: Maybe I should read a little before I post. Or maybe you should all shut the hell up.
hmmmmmm
The new Darren Howard
(http://media.philly.com/images/20080605_dn_g1eags05s.JPG)
Eagles - The new Darren Howard ready to work for Eagles
By BOB COONEY
Philadelphia Daily News
cooneyb@phillynews.com
During the 8 days of this Eagles minicamp that started Tuesday, coach Andy Reid and his staff will implement some new schemes on both sides of the ball and evaluate the talent on hand, both the new players and the incumbents.
The coaches aren't the only ones doing the evaluating, however. The players also are taking notice of each other, both on and off the field.
"Everybody is going to size each other up," defensive end Trent Cole said. "Everyone checks out who was lifting and who wasn't lifting at all [during the offseason]. So far, he is the eye-opener."
Cole nodded toward the locker next to his, occupied by defensive end Darren Howard. Funny how moments earlier, Howard, who is entering his ninth pro season and third with the Eagles after leaving New Orleans via free agency, had to exchange the T-shirt he was given (an XXL) by the team to wear to a playground dedication because of the tight fit. "Too big up here, anymore," he said, flexing his upper body. He is now a chiseled 255 pounds, about 15 lighter than last year's playing weight.
Howard, by his own admission, is coming off a disappointing season in which he registered just one sack and was, at times, watching more than playing. His offseason dedication to revamping his body isn't so much for fear of losing his job, he says, but a challenge to himself.
"It's something I go through every offseason and I always said I was going to do this," Howard, 31, said following the team's nearly 2-hour workout yesterday on the slippery grass at the NovaCare Complex. "I've always wanted to change my body around and work a little bit harder [in the offseason], try to get a little more muscle on my frame. This year I just happened to do it. I don't know if there was a particular reason.
"It happens that we're on a team where a lot of the defensive ends are 250 to 260, so I don't have to be big. In New Orleans, we had ends who were 280, 290. So I don't have to be that big here and the team is partial to smaller ends. I figured if I could do it, I could do it now."
As much as he might disregard it, there is an ample amount of defensive-line players vying for roster spots. But Howard is no dummy. He is certainly well aware of the team signing speedy Chris Clemons from the Raiders and adding through the last two drafts Victor Abiamiri and Bryan Smith, to go along with starters Cole and Juqua Parker (formerly Juqua Thomas). And he must know full well that he is entering the third year of a 6-year, $30 million contract ($10.5 million guaranteed) on a team that is very cap-conscious.
"I've never been in a position where I feel like I had to try out to make a team before, and that includes Little League," Howard said, when asked if that's what it feels like for him now. "I don't know what that feels like. I don't know how to go about that. To me, it's all about getting better and not being satisfied with what my production was last year. Basically I set goals for myself, to help make the team better."
And, according to Cole, Howard has done that already, regardless of what he is doing on the field during these workouts.
"He's totally changed himself," Cole said. "He's such a hard worker. Darren ain't the Darren who came in here before. He's a totally new person. He chose to take a new approach to the game. He came in shape, he's staying in shape. He's always in the weight room.
"He's doing everything. He's watching his weight, he's eating right. Things that I wish I could do, he's doing. I'm going to take after that and hope that other people take after that, too. Him doing that, that's being a leader. People ask him, 'What did you do?' He did it the right way and the legal way. It's appreciated when you see somebody accomplish that. When you're working out, it's hard to keep that going, especially in the offseason when you're alone. It's something guys can look up to."
The offseason training at his home in Tampa varied. "I played a lot of basketball, did some boxing and a lot more weight training," Howard said. "The workouts were hard at first, especially the first couple of weeks. But when I got back here, I realized how hard I worked because [practice] was easier."
And the easier it is for him, the harder it will be for the Eagles' bigwigs to entertain any thoughts of parting ways with Howard. *
How did losing weight work out for Kearse last year?
I think the "might be" difference here is Howard sees the competition creeping up big time, and actually is showing every day dedication. Fear can sometimes bring out the best in you.
Kearse never worried about losing his job here because in his delusional mind he still thinks to this day he is the "freak".
he can lose all the weight and gain all the muscle he wants, it don't mean shtein until he produces and I'm not going to hold my breath on that point
this was just last night...ocho wants to go to the nfc east...
http://youbeenblinded.com/espn-the-magazine-chad-johnson-rick-reilly-party/ (http://youbeenblinded.com/espn-the-magazine-chad-johnson-rick-reilly-party/)
Quote from: rjs246 on June 05, 2008, 10:18:32 AM
How did losing weight work out for Kearse last year?
Great, if I recall correctly.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 05, 2008, 10:18:32 AM
How did losing weight work out for Kearse last year?
You know that Kearse is going to have 15 sacks for the Titans this year, right?
Quote from: rjs246 on June 05, 2008, 10:18:32 AM
How did losing weight work out for Kearse last year?
About as well as it did for Terry Schiavo
I still can't believe they murdered that poor woman.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 05, 2008, 01:56:52 PM
I still can't believe they murdered that poor woman.
:-D
Don't worry, she's with Black Jesus now.
Freestylin' in Heaven...
Quote from: phattymatty on June 05, 2008, 10:55:01 AM
this was just last night...ocho wants to go to the nfc east...
http://youbeenblinded.com/espn-the-magazine-chad-johnson-rick-reilly-party/ (http://youbeenblinded.com/espn-the-magazine-chad-johnson-rick-reilly-party/)
The more I hear him talk, the more I don't want him on the Eagles.
Part of me doesn't want him because jesus christ I hate the conflict of interest I suffer when a player I can't stand is on the Eagles and I have to try not to cheer for him when he does well.
The other part of me wants him on the team because he's better than any offensive player the Eagles have had since TO, besides Westbrook and Klecko, of course.
Apparently Bill Sampy was waived/injured.
Ohmygod, what will they do now?!?
Well farg, now they have to get that guy from the Bengals.
QuoteRotoworld: Eagles WR Jason Avant played the entire 2007 season with a sports hernia before undergoing surgery in January.
Impact: Avant flashed in training camp last season to take the third wide receiver position away from Hank Baskett, but it looks like the sports hernia was one reason his breakout season never materialized. Avant is a great blocker and route runner, but he's not likely to emerge as a significant fantasy factor.
What this team really needed was another excuse to not improve the WR's.
Quote from: Diomedes on June 07, 2008, 08:53:42 AM
Part of me doesn't want him because Jesus Christ I hate the conflict of interest I suffer when a player I can't stand is on the Eagles and I have to try not to cheer for him when he does well.
The other part of me wants him on the team because he's better than any offensive player the Eagles have had since TO, besides Westbrook and Klecko, of course.
It's not that I don't like him, he's not a taterskin or anything. I just don't think he'll be able to shut the farg up and play. Cincy apparently axed him to tone down his act, and he was offended. What if Dmac tells him to shut up, or Reid tells him not to be vocal towards the press? And what if there, heaven forbid, a dispute about money? We all hate him for shore then when it all goes in the tank.
Of course there could be that one year when it all comes together.........
Donovan ain't telling anyone to do anything. You've got him confused with some kind of leader or something.
Quote from: Diomedes on June 07, 2008, 08:53:42 AM
Part of me doesn't want him because jesus christ I hate the conflict of interest I suffer when a player I can't stand is on the Eagles and I have to try not to cheer for him when he does well.
The other part of me wants him on the team because he's better than any offensive player the Eagles have had since TO, besides Westbrook and Klecko, of course.
Actually, I have no conflict. I never root for anyone doing well, just the team. That way, I could give a shtein if they're a complete icehole, as long as they don't farg up the team (like TO).
I just have a bad vision of Johnson turning out like TO - painful near-success that falls just short, followed by a complete implosion and ending up as TO's counterpart for a Super Bowl winner in God's toiletbowl.
Just saw McNabb and Jeff Lurie sitting together at the Lakers/Celts game. Maybe Donnie Mac is talking him into getting a playmaking WR.
maybe
god i hate the fact that a bostonion owns the eagles
Farging onions make me cry too, man.
You farg onions?
Who can resist those deep fried rings?
So...Cedric Benson?
Westbrook bitching about his contract publicly again (video) (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/60908-Westbrook.wmv)
he deserves more money than anyone in the organization
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 08, 2008, 11:23:13 PM
Just saw McNabb and Jeff Lurie sitting together at the Lakers/Celts game. Maybe Donnie Mac is talking him into getting a playmaking WR.
Westbrook and Dawkins were there with Lurie also. I wonder if Jeff made Westbrook pay for his seat.
Pay the man, already!
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 10, 2008, 12:08:20 AM
Westbrook bitching about his contract publicly again (video) (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/60908-Westbrook.wmv)
pretty sure you didnt even watch the video because theres no way that could be contsrued as bitching
Dear Jeff, Andy and Joe...
Please understand that you simply CANNOT afford to farg this up. Please pay this man accordingly. You have no idea of the shteinstorm that would come if this Westbrook situation turns sour. PLEASE do not farg this up. Pay Brian Westbrook.
Sincerely,
The rest of the world outside of the Eagles FO who realize how bad Westbrook is being farged.
Quote from: EagleFeva on June 10, 2008, 08:13:36 AM
Dear Jeff, Andy and Joe...
Please understand that you simply CANNOT afford to farg this up. Please pay this man accordingly. You have no idea of the shteinstorm that would come if this Westbrook situation turns sour. PLEASE do not farg this up. Pay Brian Westbrook.
Sincerely,
The rest of the world outside of the Eagles FO who realize how bad Westbrook is being farged.
+1
When did Westbrook sign his last deal? Frankly, he shouldn't have even signed that one. Now, the Eagles are going to have to overpay him in the long-term in order to pay him fairly in the short-term. Remember the massive contract signed by Shaun Alexander after his record-breaking season? How many more years as an elite player does Brian Westbrook honestly have.
This situation is going to turn out very badly, but if anyone in the history of the Eagles has earned a bump in salary, it's Westbrook. So, pay him.
He'll blowout his spine 35 minutes after he signs a new contract. Bet.
apples and oranges when talking about alexander and westbrook...alexander was a free agent which meant he could command much more money...theres no reason the eagles cant up westbrooks deal to match his output without giving him a monster of a new deal like alexander got
Isnt westbrook already a top 5 paid RB?
his last extension was basically the eagles putting a contract on the table and saying take it or leave it and he wasn't a superstar yet so he took it. imagine if he would've taken the risk and gone to FA and become the player he is for someone else? it almost would've been worth it to make the FO look as bad as they would've looked for that.
they just said on wip hes the 37th highest paid athlete in philadelphia....mike rathje among others makes more than him
in 2005 when he got extended i could see him not getting a monster deal because injuries were an issue...and he obviously agreed because he signed for only a six mil sb...he was fair then now its time for the eagles to be fair with him as since then hes proven to be one of the top three players (non qb's) in the nfl...re do his deal again...its a no brainer...maybe howie roseman can look at westbrook game film to determine his value then work out a deal with him
I just don't have much faith that the FO is gonna up his deal. Situations like this with Westbrook is exactly why they re-up these guys as early as they do... to get these guys to sign decent deals while there's a certain amount of uncertainty with their careers... and then if they blow up, they have the leverage saying, "Well, you signed the deal..." It's great from the player's perspective while they're still trying to "make it"... but when they become a top flight player... they're underpaid.
Same thing that's going on with Lito. He signed his deal early on before making the probowl and all that... and now he has a case about being underpaid. I don't think he deserves a bump as much as Westbrook, but still...
the unfair part is if the players performance is below his salary level the eagles just cut him...but if the players performance outweights the contract they dig their heels in the ground
Quote from: EagleFeva on June 10, 2008, 09:08:55 AM
Same thing that's going on with Lito.
No.
Lito's contract is much larger and longer. It's a textbook young player long-term deal that you mention. Westbrook's contract was always just kind of a "patch" to his small rookie deal.
Plus, there's the whole disparity between their on-field performance. Westbrook is constantly the best player on the team and a difference-maker in most games. Lito is injured 1/3 of the time, average 1/3 of the time, and pretty damn good the other 1/3.
lol @ lito being average 1/3 of the time he plays...
is that a new front office talking point?....the injury stuff is legit but now on top of that he also isnt a very good player half the time he does play?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 09:17:35 AM
the unfair part is if the players performance is below his salary level the eagles just cut him...but if the players performance outweights the contract they dig their heels in the ground
There's nothing unfair about that at all - it's playing within the rules that both sides agreed to. Which is exactly why the young players sign the contract before hitting it big - get the bonus and guaranteed money upfront while the risk is still on the FO.
Quote from: Father Demon on June 10, 2008, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 09:17:35 AM
the unfair part is if the players performance is below his salary level the eagles just cut him...but if the players performance outweights the contract they dig their heels in the ground
There's nothing unfair about that at all - it's playing within the rules that both sides agreed to. Which is exactly why the young players sign the contract before hitting it big - get the bonus and guaranteed money upfront while the risk is still on the FO.
yes but everyone agrees the rules are incredibly slanted towards the teams...which by deafult makes it unfair towards players...why do you think so many players want gene upshaw out
sometimes you have to not go by the exact law of the land and extend palyers who are grossly out playing their current deal...and also its go business policy to quid pro quo with your best player who has been nothing short of spectacular on the field and fair and honest off the field with his deals...or you can be like the eagles and only spend big money on the occasional out of town player and in turn constantly alienating your entire locker room
The rules are set up to heavily favor the teams right now. There is no questioning that. But both sides agreed to these rules, players included, and the amount of whining that goes on about it from the players is unbearable. Hopefully this next round of negotiating will level the playing field a little bit so the players can find something else to whine and cry about.
id rather hear a player who puts his future health on the line everyday playing an incredibly violent game for much less money than other sports than to hear billionaires owners whine
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 09:23:56 AM
lol @ lito being average 1/3 of the time he plays...
I agree. It's not very funny. But, it's true. How many game-changing plays are made by Lito, especially in comparison to Westbrook?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 09:17:35 AM
the unfair part is if the players performance is below his salary level the eagles just cut him...but if the players performance outweights the contract they dig their heels in the ground
Blame the NFLPA. Do you think it would be more fair to go to a basketball/baseball type system where all contracts are basically guaranteed? The NFL at least gives the ability to denote guaranteed money separately from regular salary, so the good players can demand more of it.
Lito owns the Cowboys, that in itself makes him worth more
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 10, 2008, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 09:23:56 AM
lol @ lito being average 1/3 of the time he plays...
I agree. It's not very funny. But, it's true. How many game-changing plays are made by Lito, especially in comparison to Westbrook?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 09:17:35 AM
the unfair part is if the players performance is below his salary level the eagles just cut him...but if the players performance outweights the contract they dig their heels in the ground
Blame the NFLPA. Do you think it would be more fair to go to a basketball/baseball type system where all contracts are basically guaranteed? The NFL at least gives the ability to denote guaranteed money separately from regular salary, so the good players can demand more of it.
lito is a pro bowl caliber player when healthy and i wont even entertain the ridiculous notion of comparing the amount of big plays an all pro rb makes vs a corner back....and im not even sure why youre bringing up westbrook anyway...i never said anything about westbrook in comparison to lito...they are two totally different positions and situations
and as long as the nfl contracts are miniscule compared to other sports while the leagues revenue stay incredibly high then yes the contracts should be guaranteed....guaranteed contracts havent hurt the other sports and if any sport deserves them its football...what i would do is something similar to the nhl where the players are guaranteed to get their money but injured players wouldnt hurt your cap number
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 10:06:18 AM
and as long as the nfl contracts are miniscule compared to other sports while the leagues revenue stay incredibly high then yes the contracts should be guaranteed....guaranteed contracts havent hurt the other sports and if any sport deserves them its football...what i would do is something similar to the nhl where the players are guaranteed to get their money but injured players wouldnt hurt your cap number
Guaranteed contracts almost killed the NHL, and they keep teams in the dumps in the NBA for years. They don't hurt the MLB as much because there's no cap, and most teams stay away from the ones that could kill them.
Guaranteed contracts don't mix well with a salary cap.
no salary cap almost killed the nhl not guaranteed salaries
and the way the salary cap and free agency works in the nba keeps teams down for years not guaranteed contracts
It's a chicken vs egg argument. Therefor there is no further reason to continue it.
Quote from: EagleFeva on June 10, 2008, 08:13:36 AM
Dear Jeff, Andy and Joe...
Please understand that you simply CANNOT afford to farg this up. Please pay this man accordingly. You have no idea of the shteinstorm that would come if this Westbrook situation turns sour. PLEASE do not farg this up. Pay Brian Westbrook.
Sincerely,
The rest of the world outside of the Eagles FO who realize how bad Westbrook is being farged.
Look at Feva, stealing a trick play from ES'ers by writing a letter to the front office on the internets. I had several people on this board pegged as the type of people who would do such a thing. You were not one of them.
Shows what I know.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 10, 2008, 10:01:23 AM
Lito owns the Cowboys, that in itself makes him worth more
not if you have a special place in your heart for Dallas
McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15562)
QuoteMcNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis
June 10, 2008 | Last Updated: 6/10/08 11:06 AM ET | Comments (0)
By: DAVE SPADARO
Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.
McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."
Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.
McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.
However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.
He needs to put the weights down, he's big enough to play the QB position. Just from experience you can work through shoulder tendinitis but it will never heal without rest. 1-2 months should do the trick.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 10, 2008, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 09:23:56 AM
lol @ lito being average 1/3 of the time he plays...
I agree. It's not very funny. But, it's true. How many game-changing plays are made by Lito, especially in comparison to Westbrook?
It's really unfair to compare game changing plays a RB makes compared to a CB. Lito gets maybe 7-10 passes thrown in his direction a game. Westbrook touches the ball around 20 times a game. He also has guys infront blocking for him where Lito has refs eyeballing him to ensure he's not illegally contacting a reciever, interfering with them, holding, etc, etc.
Having said that, Lito's still got a few game changing plays notched under his belt.
Dec 16, 2007 @ Dallas:Cowboys leading 3-0 in the 2nd qtr and were on a 4 minute, 8 play drive an in Eagles territory. On 3rd and 4 at the Eagles 40, Sheppard intercepted a pass at the 35 yd line and returned it 16 yards to the Dal 49. The Eagles took possession with 2:40 remaining in the half and scored the go-ahead td with 0:04 left. Eagles won 10-6
Dec 4, 2006 vs Carolina:Eagles leading 27-24 with 0:28 seconds left in the game. Carolina has 1st and goal on the 7 yard line and Sheppard intercepted a pass in the endzone to save the game.
Oct 8, 2006 vs Dallas:Eagles leading 31-24 with 0:31 left in the game. Dallas has 2nd and goal from the 6 yard line and Sheppard intercepts a pass in the endzone and returns it 102 yards for a td to seal the game.
Dec 19, 2004 vs Dallas:Eagles leading 12-7 in the 4th quarter with 1:57 left in the game and Sheppard intercepts a pass on the Eagles 36 yard line. Dallas never gets the ball back.
Obviously he's had more interceptions that those and all interceptions have the potential to be game changing but these are plays he made in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. And I'm sure he's got a few pass breakups that have stopped a key drive and helped change the course of a game as well.
Point is that Lito does make a difference when he's on the field. Those 4 games were wins specifically because of his playmaking ability in the clutch. And 3 of them were against a division rival.
youre obviously only watching 1/3 of the games
I don't see where my point has been dis-proven whatsoever. Lito is not a reliable player due to injury, and he is not consistently a game-changing performer when he's playing. At his best, he is truly elite, but all things taken into account, he's just pretty good.
It's funny - if the Eagles had given Lito a big extension and not signed Samuel, some of the same people would be decrying the move.
name any corner who is consistently game-changing...you can't, it's not the nature of the position
Asante Samuel made more game-changing plays in one game against the Eagles last year than Lito made for the Eagles during the whole season.
I don't really care about the signing at all. I just think there are other useful things that could have been done with the money.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 10, 2008, 01:38:19 PM
I don't see where my point has been dis-proven whatsoever. Lito is not a reliable player due to injury, and he is not consistently a game-changing performer when he's playing. At his best, he is truly elite, but all things taken into account, he's just pretty good.
It's funny - if the Eagles had given Lito a big extension and not signed Samuel, some of the same people would be decrying the move.
they would have a right to bitch about lito getting a big extension...but because of his injuries not because he isnt an excellent corner when he does play
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
I don't really care about the signing at all. I just think there are other useful things that could have been done with the money.
thats pretty much how i feel
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
I don't really care about the signing at all. I just think there are other useful things that could have been done with the money.
Ditto. I like Samuel but he doesn't bring anything to the table that Lito doesn't other than a cleaner bill of health.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2008, 01:47:32 PM
they would have a right to bitch about lito getting a big extension...but because of his injuries not because he isnt an excellent corner when he does play
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 10, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
Ditto. I like Samuel but he doesn't bring anything to the table that Lito doesn't other than a cleaner bill of health.
Why are health/injury problems dismissed as if they don't count?
who dismissed them
Do you believe Lito deserves more money? If so, you're dismissing the injury problems.
thats not true at all...they can be mutually exclusive and a lot of it depends on how much money you believe he should get
for example lots of people didnt dismiss westbrooks injuries in 2005 and yet supported him getting a new deal
i would have had no problem with the eagles reworking his deal in a fair manner and taking a chance on him staying healthy
It's going to be a sad sight when Westbrook, Tito, McNabb, Runyan, and Dawkins, are all gone. Even worse when Reid will still be coaching.
I love Runyan Westbrook and Dawkins like I love my own dick.
Your ladyfriend leads you around by them?
Har dee har har.
Yes.
Kimo re-signed for another year and LaJuan Ramsey was released
The full list:
QuoteThe Eagles released nine players on Friday, the most notable being defensive tackle LaJuan Ramsey, and agreed to terms on a one-year deal with veteran defensive tackle Kimo von Oelhoffen.
The other players released were Gary Butler, Jeremy Clark, Tanard Davis, Terrell Golden, Casey Hansen, Xzavie Jackson, A.J. Schable and Mark Staffieri.
Terrell Golden sucks.
Ramsey was cut? Hmm..he played well...or at least better than you'd expect given his pedigree...the few times he had a chance...
I am a little shocked to see Ramsey cut too. He started strong, showed flashes but never put it all together, Although he gets love for that personal foul against the Cowboys.
He'll go elsewhere and be a star now.
I like the re-signing of Kimo. I know he's as old as dirt but I thought he played particularly well in his limited time last year. The team has been stockpiling athletic olb/de types. I wonder if Kimo, who was a 3-4 DE, was signed for some depth as JJ develops more of a 3-4 look than most suspect in the coming season.
The other option is that JJ wants to mirror AR who is addicted to passing, so he assembled a huge OL that is built for run blocking.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 13, 2008, 12:35:08 PM
Terrell Golden sucks.
PSU and suck go together like water and oil.
McNabb will be on Eskin's show, Missanelli's show and CSN DNL today
i cringe at the mere thought of a mcnabb interview...they used to be just straight unfunny to the point of being uncomfortable...now they are that plus condescending
What's with the media push? "He" wants to announce he's finally had "his" reassignment surgery?
he wants to sarcastically say how much he loves philly and its fans
i hope missanelli is tough on him because we know shill eskin wont be
He's such a nitwit.
I was invited down to the studio to meet Donovan but can't make it because I have to do a presentation that's 25% of my grade. Oh well.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 18, 2008, 01:53:04 PM
He's such a nitwit.
and a moron and a dope.
and he doesn't keep it real.
And he has a fragile psyche.
Ramsey signed with the 49ers. How'd that work out for Whiting and Rayburn?
ALL FORMER PLAYERS MUST BE MOCKED
stupid ramsey, wanting to still play in the nfl...after the eagles cut you, you're supposed to kill yourself
what.....just pointing out that 2 other ex-Eagle DTs went there and failed. If Ramsey does well there, good for him. I don't hate all ex-Philadelphia players....
Looks like McNabb will be on DNL around 6pm
jesus this board is quickly becoming an anti-easy zone. lay off the big man, it's just been a long slump. hes gonna turn it around, i swear.
Please shut up.
todd makes me think adolf was on the right path
oh man that holocaust was hysterical, wasn't it?
Best fiction movie i ever saw
Here's what you missed on DNL:
blah blah Super Bowl for Philadelphia.....blah blah injuries....blah blah playmakers.....blah blah Kolb....plus McNabb's mom and dad talking about diabetes and how Donovan isn't their cute little boy anymore but now he's a man awww.....really awkward stuff....
i call it the lolocaust
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Quote from: SunMo on June 18, 2008, 05:06:58 PM
stupid ramsey, wanting to still play in the nfl...after the eagles cut you, you're supposed to kill yourself
;D
Ramsey was taken off waivers, NE and the Giants also put in claims for him. Interesting to see if anyhing happens with him since NE and NYG seem pretty good evaluators of DL talent. Also interesting that 2 of the 3 teams play 3-4 (or hyrid). Giants probaly just looking for some depth as Tuck moves to DE with Strahan (maybe) retiring.
Holy god you are about to get roasted.
LJ Smith in studio on NBC10 Sports Final:
-- 100% recovered from surgery, looking forward to camp
-- thinks red zone efficiency will improve dramatically from last year now that he's healthy
-- thinks being back will reduce Westbrook's workload
-- wants to "win games by committee" instead of relying on one major star WR
-- thinks Curtis is more comfortable in the system with a year under his belt and we'll see more big plays from him this year
-- thinks the Eagles have the talent and potential to "win big"
-- on the Giants' issues with Shockey, Plaxico, etc....."keep the distractions over there"
so hes still whining?
sounds like it to me
Whatta whiner.
I want to read more about how the Eagles have the best recievers in the division.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 23, 2008, 02:56:56 PM
I want to read more about how the Eagles have the best recievers in the division.
Ask and ye. . . (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=15587&spadaro=1)
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2008, 12:42:25 AM
LJ Smith in studio on NBC10 Sports Final:
-- 100% recovered from surgery, looking forward to camp
-- thinks red zone efficiency will improve dramatically from last year now that he's healthy
-- thinks being back will reduce Westbrook's workload
-- wants to "win games by committee" instead of relying on one major star WR
-- thinks Curtis is more comfortable in the system with a year under his belt and we'll see more big plays from him this year
-- thinks the Eagles have the talent and potential to "win big"
-- on the Giants' issues with Shockey, Plaxico, etc....."keep the distractions over there"
It sounds like Andy wrote that speech for him.
Quote from: shorebird on June 23, 2008, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2008, 12:42:25 AM
LJ Smith in studio on NBC10 Sports Final:
-- 100% recovered from surgery, looking forward to camp
-- thinks red zone efficiency will improve dramatically from last year now that he's healthy
-- thinks being back will reduce Westbrook's workload
-- wants to "win games by committee" instead of relying on one major star WR
-- thinks Curtis is more comfortable in the system with a year under his belt and we'll see more big plays from him this year
-- thinks the Eagles have the talent and potential to "win big"
-- on the Giants' issues with Shockey, Plaxico, etc....."keep the distractions over there"
It sounds like Andy wrote that speech for him.
If McNabb had said the same things on TV, IGY'd be all over him for towing the company line and appearing to mope and blah blah blah.
Quote from: Munson on June 23, 2008, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: shorebird on June 23, 2008, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2008, 12:42:25 AM
LJ Smith in studio on NBC10 Sports Final:
-- 100% recovered from surgery, looking forward to camp
-- thinks red zone efficiency will improve dramatically from last year now that he's healthy
-- thinks being back will reduce Westbrook's workload
-- wants to "win games by committee" instead of relying on one major star WR
-- thinks Curtis is more comfortable in the system with a year under his belt and we'll see more big plays from him this year
-- thinks the Eagles have the talent and potential to "win big"
-- on the Giants' issues with Shockey, Plaxico, etc....."keep the distractions over there"
It sounds like Andy wrote that speech for him.
If McNabb had said the same things on TV, IGY'd be all over him for towing the company line and appearing to mope and blah blah blah.
......and if your aunt had nuts she would have been your uncle. Who gives a crap?
Besides, McNabb was interviewed last week and said none of those things. Matter of
fact, I distinctly remember him sighting our need for a playmaker on offense, more than once.
So McNabb was whining too?
Quote from: shorebird on June 23, 2008, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 23, 2008, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: shorebird on June 23, 2008, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2008, 12:42:25 AM
LJ Smith in studio on NBC10 Sports Final:
-- 100% recovered from surgery, looking forward to camp
-- thinks red zone efficiency will improve dramatically from last year now that he's healthy
-- thinks being back will reduce Westbrook's workload
-- wants to "win games by committee" instead of relying on one major star WR
-- thinks Curtis is more comfortable in the system with a year under his belt and we'll see more big plays from him this year
-- thinks the Eagles have the talent and potential to "win big"
-- on the Giants' issues with Shockey, Plaxico, etc....."keep the distractions over there"
It sounds like Andy wrote that speech for him.
If McNabb had said the same things on TV, IGY'd be all over him for towing the company line and appearing to mope and blah blah blah.
......and if your aunt had nuts she would have been your uncle. Who gives a crap?
Besides, McNabb was interviewed last week and said none of those things. Matter of fact, I distinctly remember him sighting our need for a playmaker on offense, more than once.
That was the worst use of that saying I have ever heard. Ever.
Quote from: Munson on June 24, 2008, 03:50:24 AM
That was the worst use of that saying I have ever heard. Ever.
Whats even worse is your fixation with everything igy. Do you have dreams about him also??
On second thought, nah, that would prolly' be nightmares.
Quote from: shorebird on June 24, 2008, 06:39:50 AM
Quote from: Munson on June 24, 2008, 03:50:24 AM
That was the worst use of that saying I have ever heard. Ever.
Whats even worse is your fixation with everything igy. Do you have dreams about him also??
On second thought, nah, that would prolly' be nightmares.
Nightmares. Wet Dreams. Same thing.
Mostly fluff of course, but the quote below is fun... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=mosley_matt&id=3461483)
QuoteMcNabb is a fierce competitor, but he's also a sensitive player who reads into every comment. That's why you don't hear a lot people on this coaching staff fawning over Kolb's progress even though he's actually taken some major strides.
talent of course trumps personality and i dont want mcnabb gone until hes no longer the best qb on the team but i friggin cant wait until that day comes...that guy bugs me to no end
You are just sick and tired of rooting for a BQB.
black qb's are so 1988
RUNNING qbs are so 1988
warren moon says hi
i mean back then it was wild and crazy to have a black qb...the in thing to do if you will...but its so over now...we need to go back to a cerebal intelligent thinking mans type of football
right arrow + a = warren moon up the middle
don't tell that man he can't run
reggie white > ----> + a
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2008, 09:41:22 AM
warren moon says hi
i mean back then it was wild and crazy to have a black qb...the in thing to do if you will...but its so over now...we need to go back to a cerebal intelligent thinking mans type of football
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igy is too old to get that. that was our show.
Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2008, 10:46:13 AM
igy is too old to get that. that was our show.
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You're all idiots.
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have a meal, run a mile
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 27, 2008, 10:54:10 AM
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Who's that skank?
i did a google search of "I Feel Left out" (http://images.google.com/images?q=i+feel+left+out&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&sa=2) figured she was teh best on there rather than teh naked dudes
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 27, 2008, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2008, 10:46:13 AM
igy is too old to get that. that was our show.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2008, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 27, 2008, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: MDS on June 27, 2008, 10:46:13 AM
igy is too old to get that. that was our show.
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 27, 2008, 10:27:23 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2008, 09:41:22 AM
warren moon says hi
i mean back then it was wild and crazy to have a black qb...the in thing to do if you will...but its so over now...we need to go back to a cerebal intelligent thinking mans type of football
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h62/freshcrunkjuice/2007/01/omar1.jpg)
Holy shtein.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2008, 09:41:22 AM
warren moon says hi
i mean back then it was wild and crazy to have a black qb...the in thing to do if you will...but its so over now...we need to go back to a cerebal intelligent thinking mans type of football
Yeah, like Eli and the Giants play. Eli's so cerebral it's scary.
Wes Welker (0 rings), talking about Asante (2 rings):
Quote"He chose money over championships"
Didn't Wes Welker end up with the Dolphins after they traded A.J. Feeley to San Diego? Or was he released when they got Clinton Hart? There's some kind of Eagles connection to him, I know it.
farg Wes Welker. He's a Patriot. They can all blow me.
I was grilling down at the pool in my apt complex yesterday and this girl claimed to be Asante Samuel's sister. Then she also claimed to be Benny Sapp's sister too. I told her I didn't believe her and she put her cell on speaker and said she was calling Asante to prove it. The phone rang a couple times and then voicemail came on and the greeting said "Hey, dis Lamar and I can't git wit u." I didn't hear the rest because she grabbed her phone and turned it off. I think she may have been lying to me. I also think she may have snuck into my apt complex too.
Did you at least feed her some meat?
did you violate her?
Quote from: Tomahawk on June 30, 2008, 11:38:49 AM
Did you at least feed her some meat?
No, this chick was ghetto fabulous though. She started using the grill right after I finished up and the whole thing was right out of Friday......she was grilling a couple burgers but didn't have any buns or cheese and kept complaining about it over an over again.
She ain't never got two things that match! Peanut Butter, no jelly! Kool-Aid, no sugar! Ham, no burger! Daaaayum!!!
Let me borrow your VCR right quick.
sweaty LJ action (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/7208-Smithworkout.wmv)
more (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/7208-LJSmith.wmv)
Kearse says Eagles will miss him (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20080703_Eagles_-_Kearse_says_Eagles_will_miss_him.html) lol
Have another drink, buddy.
He's right, y'know... who else is gonna limp off the field like he's been shot every other play ?
McNabb?
McDougle?
... I guess I can go ahead and add JR Reed.
You guys are right... Kearse's drunk ass can kick rocks.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 01, 2008, 12:11:30 PM
Let me borrow your VCR right quick.
...but its the MACK!
Eagles - Kearse says Eagles will miss him
Tennessee Titans defensive end Jevon Kearse, who was released by the Eagles in February, said his former team will be sorry it didn't re-sign him.
Kearse, who was arrested and charged with DUI near Vanderbilt University on June 22, told ESPN'S Paul Kuharsky that the Eagles and their fans will be surprised at how well he plays this season.
"They'll say, 'Why the hell did we let that dude go?' " Kearse said. " 'What were they thinking?'
"But everything happens for a reason. Maybe it was a good reason: So I can get [hissed] off and get more motivated." *
ummmm.....no
He'll be right up there with guys that got away like Jason Dunn and Ty Detmer.
Dunn turned into a pretty good blocking TE; something the Eagles haven't had in forever.
When you point that out someone will come along and say that blocking isn't really a job requirement for a TE anymore..or at least not for a West Coast tight end.
I say bullshtein...a tight end should be able to block at least as well as catch. If your TE can't pick up a blitz to protect your qb because he's too used to running a pattern, then your TE sucks.
Like LJ.
Look at every other team in our division. Cooley, Whitten, and Shockey or Boss. All better if not twice as good as Andy Reid's tight end. Reid and his phone book thick playbook, that the TE is supposed to be a big part of, yet he can't do what every other team in the division has done and draft a pro-bowl calibur player.
Same as at the WR pos.
Twice as good?
That's a whopper of a stretch, bro. L.J. has his faults but when he's healthy he's at least a borderline Pro Bowl type player.
And he's a bottom third NFL TE blocker at his best.
That I agree with. But in this era of the game tight ends aren't used much as blockers anyway. The good ones are primarily pass catchers first and blockers second.
The thing is, though, he's never going to be an 80 catch tight end like Witten because Reid likes the spread it around passing game. He has the potential to do that but the only person on that team who will ever get close to 80-90 catches is Westbrook.
To me, the fault for not maximizing L.J.'s talents as a pass receiver falls with Reid and Morningwood, not L.J. or even Donovan.
I don't care how good a pass catcher a TE is, or how well those skills are utilized, I want him to be at least better than average at blocking. Call me old fashioned.
You are old fashioned. You're bitter and usually full of bourbon.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 05, 2008, 09:55:50 AM
And he's a bottom third NFL TE blocker at his best.
With all of the errands and game casts...there is no way you can know that.
I agree with that too. TE's should be multi-faceted and be able to block. Because when an OL has trouble picking up the blitz the TE has to be the guy who stays in and blocks. When he cannot do it, then they not only have to use him and we watch futile efforts, but they have to use a back to chip or block and that ties him up too. SO you have effectively taken out or limited two weapons to help get something done.
LJ is a borderline PB pass catcher. But his blocking skills are that of a junior high player.
However, Shockey and Boss are not twice as good as him. Those two guys are adequate (Shockey) and below average (Boss). Shockey was horrible, but he got better at it.
The days of the TEs who catch and block well are over. Look no further than the last draft prospects. Most guys are just bigger WRs because teams all want athletic guys who can stretch the field.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 05, 2008, 10:30:20 AM
LJ is a borderline PB pass catcher. But his blocking skills are that of a junior high player.
However, Shockey and Boss are not twice as good as him. Those two guys are adequate (Shockey) and below average (Boss). Shockey was horrible, but he got better at it.
Well, yeeah, I was stretchin' a bit. They're better, but not twice as. Witten though, is. He's what, 260? And blocks his ass off.........unless they're playing the Giants or Eagles at the end of last season.
My point was, Reid can't draft a TE any better than he can a WR. He's built a good team, but can't get what every other team in our division has. A playmaking reciever at
any position.
You look at the Giants and how they got Burris and Shockey when the drafted Manning. Dallas has had better recievers than the Eagles for forever. The Skins have Moss and Cooley. I'd take both over any receiver the Eagles have on thier roster. Matter of fact, I'd love to see what Cooley would do with Dmac throwing to him in this offense. He has serious skills, and blocks very well.
Quote from: shorebird on July 05, 2008, 06:17:16 PMbut can't get what every other team in our division has. A playmaking reciever at any position.
Well, except rb
I'd love to see what Cooley would do with Dmac throwing to him in this offense. He has serious skills, and blocks very well.
those skills had better include fielding worm burners coming at him at 100 mph.
Cheerleaders? (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/index.asp?mm_file_id=5441&play_clip=Y)
coming in at #11 on pete priscos top 20 breakout players of the 2008 season is everyones favorite engineer...
11. Chris Gocong, OLB, Philadelphia Eagles: The Eagles were thrilled with the way he played as a first-time starter in 2007. He has the speed to match up with tight ends in coverage and he plays the run well. Having a player with Gocong's versatility in Jim Johnson's defense is a big plus.
who cares if he can't tackle
I usually keep my mouth shut about Gocong (other than to laugh at the fact that Andy Reid drafted a D-II electrical engineer in the second round), but I really didn't think he was awful last year. He wasn't exactly a star and he wasn't exactly the glue the held the defense together and saying that he's going to break out and become a star this year seems like a big stretch, but he did alright and the level of hate he gets here is pretty hilarious. In fact, I think he gets more hate for having been an athlete who actually studied something useful in school than he does for his play on the field. Which is pathetic.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 08, 2008, 12:36:25 PM
I usually keep my mouth shut about Gocong (other than to laugh at the fact that Andy Reid drafted a D-II electrical engineer in the second round),
In fact, I think he gets more hate for having been an athlete who actually studied something useful in school than he does for his play on the field. Which is pathetic.
haha...i was just gonna point that out
I mean, it's funny on the surface. Who can deny that? I'm not excluding myself from it. We're all used to uneducated, neanderthals playing football and getting arrested and icing out their grills and crying/doing crunches in the front yard/failing at suicide. And we've sort of convinced ourselves that that is what being a football player is. I'm just as guilty as everyone else, which is why I laugh about him being a second round pick. But the dude isn't awful, and the venom that people have about him here borders on the absurd...
Just makes me wonder what the real cause of the hate is.
Oh wait, I also talk about his sexy man-dough body.
He was a third-round pick.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 08, 2008, 12:51:11 PM
I mean, it's funny on the surface. Who can deny that? I'm not excluding myself from it. We're all used to uneducated, neanderthals playing football and getting arrested and icing out their grills and crying/doing crunches in the front yard/failing at suicide. And we've sort of convinced ourselves that that is what being a football player is. I'm just as guilty as everyone else, which is why I laugh about him being a second round pick. But the dude isn't awful, and the venom that people have about him here borders on the absurd...
Just makes me wonder what the real cause of the hate is.
its not hate its hilariousness
what most ironic is you talking about hate and at the same time letting loose for the 10 millionith time on how dumb pro athletes are
ps - being an engineer does not make one smart...it just makes them an engineer
Fine. The fact that he was drafted in the third round and that I also laugh about his education renders my post null and void. We are all justified in hating him for actually having more intelligence than a rotting stump. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 08, 2008, 12:55:52 PM
He was a third-round pick.
its easy to get the round and division mixed up
Quote from: rjs246 on July 08, 2008, 12:59:25 PM
Fine. The fact that he was drafted in the third round and that I also laugh about his education renders my post null and void. We are all justified in hating him for actually having more intelligence than a rotting stump. Move along. Nothing to see here.
his education level is irrelevant...the fact that hes a division II asian engineer playing a skill position in the nfl is funnee
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2008, 12:58:32 PM
what most ironic is you talking about hate and at the same time letting loose for the 10 millionith time on how dumb pro athletes are
What's ironic about that? I think pro athletes in general, especially football players, are idiots and you'd be hard-pressed to find evidence to the contrary. Here we have a single intelligent athlete and all he gets is hate.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2008, 01:01:02 PM
the fact that hes a division II asian engineer playing a skill position in the nfl is funnee
This I actually agree with. Are you saying that no one here hates on him? That it's all in good fun just giggling about the fact that he's asian and educated? I don't think that it is, but by all means, tell me I'm wrong.
AZNS are good at match
Quote from: rjs246 on July 08, 2008, 01:03:11 PM
What's ironic about that? I think pro athletes in general, especially football players, are idiots and you'd be hard-pressed to find evidence to the contrary. Here we have a single intelligent athlete and all he gets is hate.
its ironic because you were hating while complaining about hating...especially when the thing you hate on most is not true and one of the biggest cliches of all time (that all jocks are dumb or even most of them)
and once again just because youre an engineer does NOT make you intelligent
rj--just stop--IGY is the board pharmacist who is always one step above yous. you've lost.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2008, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on July 08, 2008, 01:03:11 PM
What's ironic about that? I think pro athletes in general, especially football players, are idiots and you'd be hard-pressed to find evidence to the contrary. Here we have a single intelligent athlete and all he gets is hate.
its ironic because you were hating while complaining about hating...especially when the thing you hate on most is not true and one of the biggest cliches of all time (that all jocks are dumb or even most of them)
and once again just because youre an engineer does NOT make you intelligent
I'm not complaining about hating. All I do is hate. Do you ever see sunshine and bunnies coming out of my ass around here? What I'm trying to figure out is WHY people hate Gocong so much when his play doesn't justify it.
And you've said in the past that good grades don't mean you're smart. Now you're saying that what you study doesn't make you smart. You've also said many times that you yourself are not smart. So tell me, what does make someone smart exactly?
Quote from: reese125 on July 08, 2008, 01:10:50 PM
rj--just stop--IGY is the board pharmacist who is always one step above yous. you've lost.
i wish youd lose your life
now keep my name out of your dumpling hole and go check your lobster traps or something
Chris Gocong is probably a below-average driver. His mom is probably worse.
Quotenow keep my name out of your dumpling hole
work on that yourself and you got it. peace.
I agree with rjs; I didn't think he played horribly last season at all. Carlos Emmons was never a spectacular player but yet was a solid strong-side 'backer. Last year was his first year as a starter and was not really horrible despite it being his first year. I can only assume he will build on that and get better.
If he can do that and if Bradley can play the middle with more balls than OG did, it could be an alright LB corps. Not great, but average.
maybe one day he will perform otherwise but as of now gocong sucks shouldnt be starting in the nfl and did nothing last year that says otherwise
Actually, he looked good lined up at end against the Patriots.
You know... his actual position? The one from which he had like 70 sacks in college?
yeah thats his best chance to play in the league...as a 3-4 type outside lb
speedballs
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2008, 07:58:30 PM
maybe one day he will perform otherwise but as of now gocong sucks shouldnt be starting in the nfl and did nothing last year that says otherwise
Actually, he did everything that says otherwise.
He started in the NFL and he didn't suck.
You lose.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2008, 07:58:30 PM
maybe one day he will perform otherwise but as of now gocong sucks shouldnt be starting in the nfl and did nothing last year that says otherwise
Hater.
When did you guys stop being entertaining and become a bunch of bitchy funholes?
Be funnier.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2008, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on July 08, 2008, 12:51:11 PM
I mean, it's funny on the surface. Who can deny that? I'm not excluding myself from it. We're all used to uneducated, neanderthals playing football and getting arrested and icing out their grills and crying/doing crunches in the front yard/failing at suicide. And we've sort of convinced ourselves that that is what being a football player is. I'm just as guilty as everyone else, which is why I laugh about him being a second round pick. But the dude isn't awful, and the venom that people have about him here borders on the absurd...
Just makes me wonder what the real cause of the hate is.
its not hate its hilariousness
what most ironic is you talking about hate and at the same time letting loose for the 10 millionith time on how dumb pro athletes are
ps - being an engineer does not make one smart...it just makes them an engineer
Oh, and sorry, but being a train engineer doesn't make you smart. Getting a degree in electrical engineering from a reputable college while playing football full time, especially while maintaining a 3+ GPA, does.
if he was that smart it wouldnt have taken him three years to learn a football defense...he may be an intelligent guy for all i know but graduating college with an engineering degree means squat...in fact bookworms like that are usually very proficient in what they are educated in but often dumber than a stump in everything else
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 08:28:08 PMin fact bookworms like that are usually very proficient in what they are educated in but often dumber than a stump in everything else
As opposed to the normal person, who is often dumber than a stump in everything.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 09, 2008, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 08:28:08 PMin fact bookworms like that are usually very proficient in what they are educated in but often dumber than a stump in everything else
As opposed to the normal person, who is often dumber than a stump in everything.
nope the normal person is a well rounded book AND street smarted individual...much like myself
this is true, he knows many streets
You mean like the hookers on the point?
no the roast beef on the corner
awwwwwwww yeah
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 09, 2008, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2008, 08:28:08 PMin fact bookworms like that are usually very proficient in what they are educated in but often dumber than a stump in everything else
As opposed to the normal person, who is often dumber than a stump in everything.
nope the normal person is a well rounded book AND street smarted individual...much like myself
nm
The "rounded" part I totally believe.
no one say anything....i think i got this one
rounded with the quotes = fat
igy = fat
??
I seen your picture..you're not that fat
neither is SunMo
I mean, you slobs could lose some weight, but all this talk about diets and not fitting into airplane seats...how embarrassing
Quote from: Diomedes on July 10, 2008, 05:33:14 PM
I seen your picture..you're not that fat
neither is SunMo
I mean, you slobs could lose some weight, but all this talk about diets and not fitting into airplane seats...how embarrassing
Just send him some flowers and stop beating around the bush.
first I"m gonna rape your little boston hipster ass
Sounds sexy. I'll try to borrow something hipster-ish so you can fulfill your fantasy, big guy.
no need to borrow anything, it will suffice to pick me up in your prius
Quote from: Diomedes on July 10, 2008, 06:16:58 PM
no need to borrow anything, it will suffice to pick me up in your prius
All the Prius hate makes me so happy. You fargers seriously have no idea how pleased I am with this car. Of course a lot of that has to do with the fact that I never drive the thing, but all of the Boston Lesbians and I are pointing and laughing at you clowns.
9:45 p.m. would do babycakes
I wonder if Rusty looks better cruising around in a Prius or on his trike.
Will he be wearing the girl pants with the white belt or the ironic trucker hat?
and on Friday, July 11, Dio made me cry...tears of joy
You're all so gay for me.
it's just Prius envy
Banner talks about why they traded out of the 1st rd:
"What we've done two years in a row is basically trade one pick to acquire three picks. In 2007, we had a small number of picks going into the draft and traded out of the first round to acquire three selections, players we think have very high ceilings in terms of what they can contribute. Two of those players, linebacker Stewart Bradley and tight end Brent Celek, contributed as rookies and we expect them to continue to make contributions. The other player, quarterback Kevin Kolb, is making outstanding progress in his development. We moved back a very small number of picks and used that first-round pick to select three players. I really don't understand the conclusion that we didn't act with urgency, given that two of draft picks from that trade contributed as rookies, actually, in fact, more than the player Dallas drafted, linebacker Anthony Spencer.
"This year we got two picks in this year's draft plus one in next year's draft, which happens to be a first-round pick. The player we selected first in the second round, defensive tackle Trevor Laws, is someone we had a late first-round grade on. I don't think our moves had anything to do with urgency. We wanted to convert our draft picks into great value – and the definition of great value can depend upon the circumstances – then you are doing well. We think we did well with both deals to move out of the first round. We acquired multiple picks and used those picks to select players we think will turn out to be important contributors to our football team. We didn't, in our estimation, sacrifice the opportunity to select players who could step right in and contribute on the field.
"Last year, when we took our first-round pick and traded to Dallas, I remember doing an interview and saying, 'We got Kevin Kolb, Stewart Bradley and Brent Celek and we think those players will compare favorably to the player Dallas selected, linebacker Anthony Spencer.' In fact, as I said, last year we got more out of those three picks than Dallas got out of its one.
"The question here relates to how quickly a player is going to contribute. That is more a reflection of how ready the player is when he is drafted and what your depth chart looks like when you head into the draft. There are positions on our team where we could have picked a great player and, because of the talent we have already, that player wouldn't play immediately.
"On the other hand, Laws has an excellent chance of being our third defensive tackle, and generally our third tackle plays between 40 and 50 percent of the snaps. We don't know if that is going to happen, but if he plays that much, it will end up being more of a contribution that a vast majority of first-round picks historically make as rookies. And don't forget, the failure rate for first-round picks is 50 percent around the league.
"If we are good talent evaluators, we should be able to look back in two or three years and say we are much better off having made these trades, including in the short run."
I don't disagree with him much on this.
I loved the trade this year. Last year, I hated. Not because of the trade back but because of the position they drafted.
And I don't understand the venom towards trading with Dallas. Some people act like its an act of treason. I remember Eckel on the radio after they did that inciting riots about how Spencer was a stud and would make the Eagles pay.
Dude annoys the farg out of me, repeating his central argument like five times, as a good propagandist should. Stewart and Celek played, yes, but to say they contributed is a bit of a reach. Let's say they didn't hurt the team, rather than they contributed. That's okay, but not good, in my book. It gives me reason to hope for this year regarding them, and so I'm not totally throwing out the argument that the Eagles got more out of that trade than they gave. But we'll see.
I'd like to ask Banner what he thinks the "failure rate" for second and third round picks is?
While I do love the trade in this past draft, I think he gets carried away making it sound like they have done such a great job. There drafts have been ok over the past few years.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 15, 2008, 06:32:54 AM
Dude annoys the farg out of me, repeating his central argument like five times, as a good propagandist should.
thats the problem here...not the trades (for the record i loved this years and disagreed with the kolb move)...its the fact that the president of the team feels as tho he has to go on the eagle website and basically make a messageboard post defending what the team did two years ago is just pathetic and shows the thin-ness of his skin
as you pointed out he made some serious reaches in the piece as well...but thats to be expected
the 5th-rd pick they got from Dallas was used on Gaddis, not Celek
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 15, 2008, 11:26:14 AM
the 5th-rd pick they got from Dallas was used on Gaddis, not Celek
Dave's response to that:
QuoteMr. Banner is aware of whom the Eagles took in the draft with what picks. He chooses to portray it this way.
http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=500731
Damn...I think that's the most honest statement I've ever seen the mouthpiece make.
his response on wip tuesday was that by getting the second 5th rounder it allowed them to draft celek since they had gaddis rated higher and would have only taken him had they not had dallas' pick
What a fascinating explanation!
Mr. Banner said his balls were getting hard, so I started sucking on them again and they tasted good.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 17, 2008, 03:21:55 PM
his response on wip tuesday was that by getting the second 5th rounder it allowed them to draft celek since they had gaddis rated higher and would have only taken him had they not had dallas' pick
This seemed pretty obvious anyway. Does Banner take us for idiots or something, not knowing they rated Gaddis higher?
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/08GR_coming.jpg)
Ummm. . . :paranoid
so are more articles with lines like this:
QuoteThe Eagles, a team that has historically treated players very, very fairly -- the Eagles have had an NFL-best 90 starters in their second (or more) contracts with the team -- will do the right thing in the cases of both players. What that direction is, what the outcome may be, I don't know.
wow
Quote from: Rome on July 19, 2008, 11:26:43 AM
Ummm. . . :paranoid
At first I though it was another stupid recycling add
QuoteJohn Smallwood: Eagles wideout Brown plans to catch passes, not flak, this season
By John Smallwood
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
I NEVER BELIEVE professional athletes when they say they don't read newspapers, watch sports news or listen to sports-talk radio.
The fishbowl is too confined and the water too thick with chatter for any athlete to ignore what's being bandied around about him.
I think the more realistic scenario is the one that Eagles receiver Reggie Brown implements - hear but don't listen.
Brown knows about the seemingly never-ending debate about the Eagles' need to upgrade the receiving corps. He knows that of all the receivers, he's being pointed to as the one who most needs to produce more.
He says it doesn't faze him.
"Not really," Brown said. "I don't come into this season with any pressure, no chip on my shoulder. I'm totally relaxed and ready to have fun with the game.
"I don't see why you should have pressure on yourself. If you love the game, you go out there and play it for the love of the game, not for what other people think.
"I didn't start playing this game when I was 8 years old for the glory or for what other people were going to think of me. I played because I loved it, and I'm still doing it."
If Brown is concerned about what people think, he would know that a great number of Eagles fans have come to the conclusion that he is not quite good enough.
As the Birds begin training camp for the 2008 season, there are doubts about whether Brown, selected 35th overall in the 2005 draft, will ever be more than a complementary receiver.
Despite catching 61 passes for 780 yards and four touchdowns in 2007, Brown, from the University of Georgia, has been plastered as the figurehead for a receiving corps deemed as not being "Super Bowl-caliber."
That's a 180-degree change from Brown's rookie season, when the Eagles still had perennial Pro Bowl receiver Terrell Owens.
But the Birds receivers have been under scrutiny since Owens' tenure flamed out after seven games in 2005.
"I think that, year in and year out, we go out and make plays," Brown said of the Eagles receivers, who this season include Kevin Curtis, Hank Baskett, Jason Avant and rookie DeSean Jackson. "Some years, we don't have good years.
"We didn't make the playoffs, so last season wasn't a good year. The receivers, we always take the blame since T.O. left. That's just what it is. We've got a group of guys who can play. We don't blink. We don't listen to that stuff."
Maybe it was because Brown came in as the heir apparent to Owens. Maybe it was because he averaged 17.7 yards per catch and had eight touchdowns his second season. But the expectation was that Brown would emerge as a top-flight No. 1 receiver last year.
"Of course, things are going to be harder on Reggie," Baskett said. "He's the guy who has been the starter here for the longest. [Fans] put it on him to be the leader of the receivers.
"But I'll tell you this, personally from working out with Reggie this year compared to last offseason, he's taken it upon himself. Nothing was his fault, but Reggie has taken it on himself to make himself better. He's doubled his workouts. He doesn't want to settle for less than the best this season."
Baskett said that one thing people overlook when analyzing the Eagles receivers is that this year, they will have a full offseason routine of work with quarterback Donovan McNabb.
Because McNabb was recovering from a knee injury from the 2006 season, he missed all of the minicamps and was not up to full speed during training camp last year.
With Curtis coming in as a free agent, and Baskett and Avant in only their second seasons, the receivers and quarterback never had a chance to establish timing and cohesion before the games counted.
Even Brown had limited workout time with McNabb, because injuries limited the quarterback to 19 of 34 games during Brown's first two seasons.
When Brown got off to a horrible start in 2007, talk began to stir about friction between him and McNabb.
"When you don't have anything to report, you usually try to make up stuff," Brown said, when asked about his alleged issues with McNabb. "That's usually what happens - erroneous statements, make-believe, unicorns flying around causing havoc here and there.
"[McNabb] and I have a great relationship. We both have a job to do and, hopefully, I'll get off to a better start this year and carry it through the whole season. We'll see."
We will talk, and Reggie Brown will hear, but that doesn't mean he will listen.
Cheggie. Brownson!
Quote"When you don't have anything to report, you usually try to make up stuff," Brown said, when asked about his alleged issues with McNabb. "That's usually what happens - erroneous statements, make-believe, unicorns flying around causing havoc here and there.
What what??
:-D