The Eagles Offseason Thread(all aboard the Brian Finneran bandwagon)

[Munson]

I'm all for whatever WR helps them make a run at the SB while McNabb is still here and playing well. Holt can definitely do that for the next 2-4 years, so...whatever. Get a #1 WR.

[ice grillin you]

He plays a lot like Marvin Harrison...doesn't let himself get hit too much, takes care of his body, etc.

Harrison hit the wall.  If Holt hits it around the same time, it will be very, very soon.


Both had a very large element of top-flight speed in their game.  Neither are particularly big-bodied guys.  So, once the speed goes and injuries start to plague, your career's basically done.

more importantly they arent great athletes to begin with so the lost steps mean even more...when TO who is a 10 athlete slows down he goes to an 6-7-8 or whatever...when a holt or harrison slow down they go to a 3-4-5 and basically disappear in a very short amount of time...i think thats where holt almost is....maybe has one more year at a high level

[Munson]

I think he's got at least 2 or 3 more in him, he's 31, and Harrison didn't hit his wall until last year. And who knows how his numbers would have been had he avoided injury for another year.

Holt's numbers have been continually ridiculous and if he hasn't hit the wall at 31, I doubt 32 is going to be the golden age. The only number that has gone down really is his YPC,  but that's becausue STL has been forced to use him as more of a possession guy with no one else to throw to.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

He plays a lot like Marvin Harrison...doesn't let himself get hit too much, takes care of his body, etc.

Harrison hit the wall.  If Holt hits it around the same time, it will be very, very soon.


Both had a very large element of top-flight speed in their game.  Neither are particularly big-bodied guys.  So, once the speed goes and injuries start to plague, your career's basically done.

more importantly they arent great athletes to begin with so the lost steps mean even more...when TO who is a 10 athlete slows down he goes to an 6-7-8 or whatever...when a holt or harrison slow down they go to a 3-4-5 and basically disappear in a very short amount of time...i think thats where holt almost is....maybe has one more year at a high level

I'm not sure what your definition of "athlete" is, but both Harrison and Holt were fantastic athletes in their prime.  It could be argued that TO is a better one because of his combination of strength, size, and speed, but damn... you might be the first person ever to say that Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt were never elite athletes.

Still, your point is essentially the same as mine in that Holt, just like Harrison, does not have the size to become a more physical stud as a possession receiver, so he won't age as well as TO or even someone like Muhsin Muhammed.

[Munson]

On the contrary, look at some of the WR's who have aged the best....Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Harrison, etc.....these are all the "smaller" guys who relied on speed in their primes more then power and strength...all played well into their 30s and all put up #1 WR numbers when healthy. We keep saying harrison "hit a wall" but really he was just hurt. He could come back healthy next year and go for 1200 and 10 TDs. Rice did it in 98, when he was 36.

Holt is a lot like those guys, and I think they'd be foolish to pass up on him if they can't land a Fitzgerald or Roy Williams.

[ice grillin you]

I'm not sure what your definition of "athlete" is, but both Harrison and Holt were fantastic athletes in their prime. 

disagree...they were great wr's who ran incredible routes in crazy pass happy offenses...neither would ever be confused with being overly athletic...

[Father Demon]

I'm not a fan of the Holt idea.  Over the last couple years, Holt has been more of a catch-and-run-out-of-bounds WR than he was earlier in his career. 

I would not like to see the Eagles spend much to get him.

[ice grillin you]

I would not like to see the Eagles spend much to get him.

this is what you have to be careful of...with ANY wr's in their 30's...but if youre gonna do it you do it for atheltic freaks like moss TO or ocho...not harrison or holt

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I'm not sure what your definition of "athlete" is, but both Harrison and Holt were fantastic athletes in their prime.

disagree...they were great wr's who ran incredible routes in crazy pass happy offenses...neither would ever be confused with being overly athletic...

I would think an insane combination of speed and agility would qualify someone as an athlete, but you're entitled to be argumentative for no reason.

[Munson]

They don't pass the look test. Even though their type has historically aged better at the position...

[ice grillin you]

well they had speed in terms of me or you...but they didnt have huge nfl speed much less insane amounts...and stop saying things that are wrong and i wont have to argue/correct you

i dont see how you cant see the differnce btwn a holt/harrison and a ocho/TO/moss...not in terms of a wr but an athlete

[Munson]

Being bigger/stronger doesn't make you a better athlete.

The fact that guys like Holt and Harrison put up the numbers that they do as small as they are should tell you something about their athletic abilities.

They're all extremely athletic guys, in different ways.

[PhillyGirl]

I do not want Lito and a pick being traded for Torry Holt.

period.

[BigEd76]

Kearse is back with the Titans

[Munson]

Where he'll play all 16 games and record 12 sacks.