It really might happen. It finally really for real might happen.
Yay.
:yay
I can't wait to root for the interim head coach to take the wind in OT.
What are the odds that they would name the cheerleader's choreographer the new head coach?
Quote from: rjs246 on October 09, 2011, 05:22:43 PM
It really might happen. It finally really for real might happen.
Yay.
No it won't. The good news though is that you are throroughly conditioned to deal with disappointment right now.
Get Gruden?
Gruden sucks.
Get Fisher?
I like Fisher
how about the next sean payton
find that coordinator. dont hire retread trash. fisher played the media like a violin and is overrated. gruden won with dungys guys.
I'll take Cowher just because he would try to institute a style that I like and a backbone that's missing.
cowher will never come here.
who the farg is taking a job taking marching orders from 2 accountants.
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2011, 05:50:30 PM
how about the next sean payton
find that coordinator. dont hire retread trash. fisher played the media like a violin and is overrated. gruden won with dungys guys.
I'll never get the Gruden hate.
He built the SB team in Oakland.
Dungy couldn't win in Tampa with his own guys but when Gruden does it somehow doesnt count.
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2011, 06:03:57 PM
cowher will never come here.
who the farg is taking a job taking marching orders from 2 accountants.
lets just get rid of fatty first. i'll put up with a season of marty buffoonery if it means shtein gets done and a real coach comes in the offseason.
i think juan would make a good head coach. lets promote him!
I would take Fisher in a heartbeat.
And Sarge is right, he won't be fired mid season and if they end up with a halfway respectable record he won't be fired at all, but this has to inch them closer to giving the walrus the heave ho.
I think if they lose next week and are 1-5 going into the bye, there is a legit chance he gets canned.
Please.
I'd be very surprised to see Reid fired in-season. Fans seem to think Lurie would fire a coach for the same reasons we would, which is losing. Lurie will fire Reid only after he feels it will significantly affects his bottom line for the long term, and there is a lag time of probably another bad year or two there.
No way they fire Reid, if anything they'll come to an agreement for him to step down once the season is over. Reid is the first step, but they need to clean house. No way Banner is going because he makes Lurie too much money, but Howie needs to be shown the door faster than Reid does. The last two drafts have been a disaster and he has no farging clue how to build a football team.
Parcells pre-game said it best about the Eagles. They have some nice pieces that he compared to garnish, but the meat and potatoes is lacking. He's over the hill but I wouldn't mind seeing Parcells as the next coach. Don't really want Gruden. Fisher I'd be okay with but he ain't getting them to the Superbowl. Cowher I would be all in for. Maybe he doesn't win them a Superbowl but he'll get them playing football the way it should be played.
zero chance he gets fired in season......no one is suggesting this are they?
in fact he will never get "fired".....he will part ways with the franchise in the name of everyone needing a change of scenery
the thought of howie roseman picking the next coach makes me ill
other than the price of beer the thought of howie roseman having any decision making role in this franchise makes me ill
well for everyone thats takin names and wants andy gone just remember this dork gets to pick the new coach
and i cant wait for the interview where cowher and fisher lol their way out the door 5 seconds in, knowing theyll never work for or with this twat.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20111010_Phil_Sheridan__Time_to_bid_Reid_bye-bye_.html
as usual sheridan one step ahead of everyone else
How bout cool guy leaving the podium then coming back in the first 2 minutes because the media wasn't fast enough with their questions?
He really thinks he is untouchable.
He's not even man enough to stand at the podium and take it, or to tell the truth.
Time to start the Occupy Broad Street movement?
Jeffy will never fire Reid during the season, but I would love to see Morningwood try to win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.
If there was any remote chance that Reid would be fired during the season, Castillo would wind up being the interim head coach. I really want to see that now.
Why is thread only 2 pages long? In fact, why didn't we have it in 2003?
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2011, 04:22:21 PM
If there was any remote chance that Reid would be fired during the season, Castillo would wind up being the interim head coach. I really want to see that now.
Well the o-line is basically playing a wide 9 too so the transition for him would be seamless.
I'd like too see Roseman and Banner as the OC and DC respectively.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 10, 2011, 04:27:12 PM
Why is thread only 2 pages long? In fact, why didn't we have it in 2003?
Had it in at least '07:
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=19837.0
I am a strong believer that the overwhelming majority of the time, the team with the better head coach and/or quarterback will win any given game. Here's a list who the Eagles have gone up against so far and their career records:
St Louis - Steve Spagnuluo (8-28) / Sam Bradford (7-13)
Atlanta - Mike Smith (34-17) / Matt Ryan (35-16)
NY Giants - Tom Coughlin (136-107) / Eli Manning (63-46)
SF 49ers - Jim Harbaugh (4-1) / Alex Smith (23-36)
Buffalo - Chan Gailey (26-27) / Ryan Fitzpatrick (20-25-1)
Philly - Andy Reid (119-74-1) / Mike Vick (57-45-1)
Atl and NY aren't shocking losses, although the manner that they lost is frustrating. But when you look at the other losses, SF and Buffalo, it's absolutely mind boggling that Reid was out coached by a guy in his first year and a guy who couldn't get out of his own way in Dallas. And they did it with QB's who have had problems with int's throughout their careers. Not to mention that they should probably thank Stephen Jackson's quad for blowing up in the opener otherwise they probably would have lost that too.
Reid has historically struggled against teams with winning records, so the Buf and SF losses shouldn't be completely shocking. But the Giants and Falcons are both sub .500 which means Reid isn't even beating mediocre teams.
I really hope the Rams tank the rest of the year and Spagnuluo gets canned. Don't know if I want him as the HC, but would love to see him come back as the DC.
buffalo beat tom brady and bill belichek
after that win beating andy reid and mike vick is like beating penn state
I think Reid is so burnt out that dissecting tape on upcoming teams has become more of a burden at this point.
He goes with his stubborn gameplan regardless of opponents and relies on trickery to get him out of a jam. I was waiting for Comanche to be called on the last drive but it never happened.
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From WWTDD.com...
QuoteLindsay Lohan has to go to court Wednesday for a progress report on her probation, which should be awesome considering she hasn't done shtein. And since "hasn't done shtein" is a clear violation of the judges orders, TMZ says she could get over a year in jail.
Of course we've heard this a hundred times before, and nothing ever seems to happen to her. The .gif of LeSean McCoy punching Andy Reid in his fat stomach yesterday is here to illustrate that (slow motion version over on deadspin). Andy Reid is all of us in this scenario, and LeSean McCoy is Justice. He's supposed to be on our side but then he just sucker punches us in the stomach for no reason (*). Then again, farg Andy Reid. This and a 2-4 record is what you get for giving the dog killer 100 million dollars. Reap what you sow, fat ass!
lol
that is a thousand times better than Jackson jump/humping him...lol
Roob:
QuoteSince 1971, the Cowboys have lost 21 games by 27 or more points. Six of those 21 losses were to Andy Reid.
wow...chock that stat up in the "pro" Andy column
Can you imagine how many Super Bowls that fat motherfarger would have won if he had stuck to the running game like he did against the Cowboys?
Something tells me he's due for a amnesia attack.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 01, 2011, 08:45:33 PM
wow...chock that stat up in the "pro" Andy column
That stat
is the pro Andy column.
Quote from: Rome on November 01, 2011, 09:03:32 PM
Can you imagine how many Super Bowls that fat motherfarger would have won if he had stuck to the running game like he did against the Cowboys?
As happy as I was to see them beat the Cowboy's that way, it always concerns me because he's done it in the past - gone to the run, called a balanced game and had it turn out great. The week
after it's as if he has a new found smugness and goes away from the run, and wings the ball all over the place.
anyone can run when you are up....they had big leads for almost all of the last 120 minutes of football theyve played...lets see what happens against the bears if they fall behind or the game is close all night
You best believe if the score in the 1st quarter is even 7-0 or 10-3 Bears, Vick is in shotgun for the rest of the game.
IIRC, they inexplicably ran while behind against the Giants.
The thing is they are running the ball from the start of the game and continue to run til the game is over. This could just all be a dream yes, but the play calling has been amazing and Vick has been been picking up on defenses way better. Next week is going to be a real test against a proven defense. We'll see.
bears defense is actually worse than dallas'
and its especially bad against the pass...so i could see andy trying to exploit this and going pass happy
Dallas' D was pretty good. True the Bears D is bad and their run D is ranked < pass D.
yeah one of the reasons i thought dallas would win was because of their defense that gave tom brady all kinds of trouble....but andy and marty had an unbelievable game plan and vick and the oline executed it to almost perfection
The game plan with the run game should be about the same, but the pass game needs to exploit the outsides better. I see DeSean being a huge factor in this one.
i want desean involved as well but as for the dallas game they did just what they should have....i mentioned this all during the game and it was something that didnt show up on tv but dallas was in an incredibly deep two deep the entire game...all the middle of the field needed was a tumble weed rolling across it
so they used lots of celek over the middle and crossing routes...and of course shady a ton since no safties were ever anywhere close to the box...if a safety came up it was senseabaugh and he would come up to blitz from the edge
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 03, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
it was something that didnt show up on tv but dallas was in an incredibly deep two deep the entire game
Actually it was pretty apparent on tv because you never saw the safeties until they were making a tackle 20 yds dowfield.
im talking about pre snap...safties can be making plays way downfield for lots of reasons other than where they begin the play
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 03, 2011, 11:29:46 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 03, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
it was something that didnt show up on tv but dallas was in an incredibly deep two deep the entire game
Actually it was pretty apparent on tv because you never saw the safeties until they were making a tackle 20 yds dowfield.
Also, the announcers pointed it out multiple times during the game and showed picture/video evidence as such.
No way dude. Only IGY could see it from the stands.
dont watch much football on tv do ya.....wait dont answer that...games on tv dont show you 10% of the stuff you can see from an elevated seat in a stadium
but for sake of aregument lets say fox televised the whole game sunday from the blimp over the stadium...why then did ff post that they need to throw to the outside more
You could also see it pretty easily when they used that mobile above the field camera when they showed the shots from behind the Eagles offense before the snap.
the point is at the game you can see that shtein like blaow!! after a series....and continue to see it on every play for the whole game...you dont have to hope an announcer tells you half way thru the game because hopefully a producer told him that they found something on the film that he should telestrate....its just a whole different perspective from up there that cant come close to being duplicated on tv...i love it
on the flip side you miss a lot of the little stuff from up there...a prime example is a lot of crap that goes on in the trenches...like you can see a blatant hold by an OT but you couldnt spot something a guard did when mixed up inside with bodies...and lots of times ill think something is a penalty but then theyll show the replay on the jumbo tron or ill see when i rewatch the game on tv that i was way off
What I like is you can see wr's come open, and you can see running plays develop, holes open up, you see blocking better, especially the downfield blocking.
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Porcine oaf.
did any of you notice the clip of him in his goddamn sweat shorts with his bare white legs showing, and his (thankfully covered) belly hanging below the seat on some ESPN interview?
it was disgusting, just udderly repulsive
Udderly?
When Dio starts dropping puns, it's time to go night-night.
Imo, one of the biggest problems a team can have thats directly related to bad coaching in inconsistancy. The Eagles are one of the most inconsistant teams in the NFL. Fire Andy Ried. Please.
OK, let's go people.
At this point, firing may be too good for him. He should have to suffer through this team as much as we do.
Jackson deactivated & Maclin hurt
so what do they do?
Give the ball to their best player ONLY 13 TIMES IN THE FINAL THREE QUARTERS!
Shady had 13 touches in the 2-3-4th!
Sandusky him.
Quote from: Rome on November 13, 2011, 04:48:31 PM
Sandusky him.
Well he's been doing it to us the past 13 years.
It's coming. Reminds me when Buddy left the stadium, or "for who, for what" or randall unprepared for playoff game, or the last days of kotite. Approaching rock bottom and worse yet with talent.
Soon. They'll realize players will quit and a new coach could just maybe do for them what gruden did for tampa - over the top. (not that im on grudens sac) And isnt that worth a shot rather than clean players house which is how fat boy will deflect in January - it's all his hires that should go.
One more game like this and they have to act. Win a couple and maybe it happens end or late in season. nothing short of running the table will help capn andy now. If psu can fire their legend, Lurie must see it won't be the end of the world to fire his.
Tic Toc, andy
Apathy. I think the fanbase has been moving towards that feeling the last few years, which hopefully will be the straw which breaks the fat man's back.
Quote from: JackStraw on November 13, 2011, 05:45:47 PM
One more game like this and they have to act. Win a couple and maybe it happens end or late in season. nothing short of running the table will help capn andy now. If psu can fire their legend, Lurie must see it won't be the end of the world to fire his.
Tic Toc, andy
I don't agree with this at all, Reid could lose out and will still have his job next year. But, who is ready to play the Giants on the road and then New England?
this is going to get ugly.
both those teams suck and the eagles could easily win
and thats the problem. i want them to lose. i hate them. farg them.
they really are the most unlikeable philly team in a long time
assante and assy dancing like fools after their picks was as atrocious an exhibition ive seen in a while....i was and still am farging furious
right after samuels pick i kind of roll my eyes and say "hes made a career out of picking off terrible qbs." congrats on baiting john skelton into a pick 6, asante. youre awesome.
then the asomugha one was 30 feet over the receivers head and he happened to be in the right spot.
and bla bla bla 30 minutes later the brilliant juan castillo gets a pos temple castoff singled up with fitzgerald. its comical and if the novacare exploded with all of them in it i wouldnt give a shtein.
juany got raped today...specifically on that drive where the wheel route exposed chaney and then the play you just referenced....that was all coaching
i see 16 year old mexican lbs get destroyed on those wheel routes all the time.
not exactly the same as an nfl player getting lit up.
but at this point what else can we say about juanny. everyone knew this was going to be a joke and its been exactly that. the best we can hope for is andy goes and takes his port isabel buddy with him.
And he still insists on playing more zone than man. The front four is no longer pressuring the pocket and then you've got a soft zone going on with zesty LBs and safeties like Coleman who can't tackle...nice hit on Doucets TD, prick.
I hope the Rams shtein can Spags. He has to be the next DC.
DRC is soft and Howie and Joe can't wait to trade Asante for his fantasy football in the front office comments.
So next year the cupboard will be more bare than it is now.
And I can't farging wait for another awful draft.
Go motherfarging team.
the defense is sickeningly soft....i dont need a jack tatum back there but where is the guy on that side of the ball who the offense has to identify as a guy to be careful of and maybe dont go to his side cause he will bitch slap you....there isnt one....
eagles have sucked for many decades but the one thing they have is a lineage of tough destructive killa defenders....this current squad is an embarrassment to that legacy
well when you have an ownership that at best gives a little bit of a farg about what happened before the linc opened, this is what you get
tru dat....altho i will say btwn buddy and the crew last week and randall today their halftimes have been off the meter this year
I agree about missing the nastiness.
I hate passive defenses. I understand that offensively the game has shifted away from that but defensively you have to create fear (despite the softbatch NFL rules) and the Eagles have zero badass motherfargers on the team. No one will punch a guy in the mouth. No one one instills any fear on the offenses they face.
Softbatch Hoydas!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 13, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
tru dat....altho i will say btwn buddy and the crew last week and randall today their halftimes have been off the meter this year
yea thats why i said a little bit....theyve done those things, reggie, etc.
but theres still no ring of honor in the stadium, no banner or sign celebrating division titles and 1960 title, etc. not to mention radically changing the color scheme of the team because the owners wife didnt like kelly green.
its sickening because as pathetic as the phillies were this year in terms of celebrating the past, alumni, colors, history, ballpark presentation of that....they are the blue print and it should be easy as hell for the eagles to copy.
According to Eskin Reid will be fired at the end of the season.
As far as the soft defenders go.....when has Reid ever brought in a guy that was nasty. The only players that have has any attitude for the most part were guys left over from the Rhodes era.
He did bring in Runyan no? But, truth, no one on defense.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 14, 2011, 03:58:28 AM
According to Eskin Reid will be fired at the end of the season.
eskin is batting like 0-5 on his latest predictions, so if he somehow gets this one right god bless his soul.
I think I heard correctly this morning that since miracle II, they've gon 0-8 in trying to come back in the 4th quarter?
Is it safe to assume yet that maybe McNabb wasn't the (entire) problem?
McNabb never was the entire problem, but he was the main problem. And no one here ever claimed otherwise. I don't even think IGY ever went that far. Reid's playcalling has always sucked but he wasn't the one out there leaving divots in the ground, puking in the 4th qtr or pouting on the sidelines. Not to mention that McNabb has done nothing since being traded to prove the haters wrong. It's not like he's out there winning games for competitive teams. He's been replaced by Rex Grossman and a rookie. This team would be no better with him under center now than they are with Vick.
I think we're finding out more and more that Reid was at least equal in blame. The 4th quarter offense has been just as horrid, and that's with a QB who still has the speed/legs to make up for the ineptitude.
And McNabb is old and done. I think 26 year old mcnabb would probably have an easier go of it elsewhere then 34 or whatever he is.
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jesus, how long till this car accident stops tumbling end-over-end?
which one? the Eagles under the Walrus or :CF under troll occupation?
Quote from: reese125 on November 14, 2011, 08:19:01 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 14, 2011, 03:58:28 AM
According to Eskin Reid will be fired at the end of the season.
eskin is batting like 0-5 on his latest predictions, so if he somehow gets this one right god bless his soul.
Any chance his fur coat was made from the hides of vision-impaired, tree-dwelling rodents?
hmmm well since hoyda and cardtrader are long gone, its gotta be dad-of-the-year?
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Reid has to feel like million bucks driving into work in the morning and seeing that.
that might be true but you forget that him and juany are locked down in the bunker watching tape for 20 hours a day and sleeping in their office. because you know that hard work conquers not having talent.
Also who gives a shtein what Andy Reid feels like?
that too
i care if hes happy content or comfortable because i want him to be a thousand times more miserable than i am
So: win over the Giants + team rallies around Andy + finishes 8-8 or 7-9 = at least two more years of Reid football.
Sigh.
Buckle up.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on November 21, 2011, 09:47:45 AM
So: win over the Giants + team rallies around Andy + finishes 8-8 or 7-9 = at least two more years of Reid football.
Sigh.
That thought prevented me from enjoying that win as much as I wanted to. farg Andy.
Fire Andy Reid.
Ehhhh... what's the point anymore?
They'll never fire him, were stuck with him, no matter what.
could you hear the fire andy chants on tv?
yup. So did the players. Andy somehow didn't
the players were at the game of course they heard it...i didnt know if it made it into living rooms tho
I wonder if Jeff heard it in his luxury box
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 27, 2011, 09:41:32 PM
the players were at the game of course they heard it...i didnt know if it made it into living rooms tho
They did.
Quote from: SD on November 27, 2011, 10:04:33 PM
I wonder if Jeff heard it in his luxury box
maybe he started it. didn't think Joe would realize.
QuoteIn fact, it happened twice.
Let's not exaggerate, however, because neither chant gained much momentum nor lasted more than 30-or-so seconds.
But that doesn't mean that fans didn't make a powerful statement to Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie about their displeasure with the sorry state of their beloved franchise.
They actually delivered a message to Lurie more powerful than any "Andy Must Go!" chant.
Eagles fans got out of their high-priced seats and left.
In the 17 years that I've been in Philadelphia, I've seen Eagles fans leave a game early when the cause seemed to be lost, but I don't ever recall them starting a mass exodus with more than 6 minutes left in the third quarter.
That's what happened when Vince Young lobbed a pass out of the end zone on a fourth-and-goal attempt from the 2 to tight end Brent Celek.
The Patriots led, 31-13. The fans decided they had seen enough.
By the time the final seconds ticked away, Lurie, if even he bothered to stay in his luxury suite, may as well have been alone in the shattered husk of what has always been a vibrant arena of unbridled passion - be it positive or negative energy.
That should frighten Lurie.
Eagles fans have been accused of a lot of things. Apathy has never been one of them.
You have to wonder if that's the point they've been pushed to.
After 13 seasons of Reid, most of this fan base is done. They've voiced their displeasure and did so again yesterday.
"I didn't hear them," Reid said of the chants. "The way we played I can understand it."
To this point, their pleas have gone unfulfilled.
If the goal has been to get Lurie to dismiss Reid through a show of anger, it hasn't worked.
But after yesterday's walkout, you have to wonder if they now will show their displeasure by doing nothing - just not caring about the Eagles.
On a day when the Birds earned a lusty serenade of bile as much as any time in recent memory, fans decided it wasn't worth sticking around and wasting their breath.
What if that becomes the theme for the final 5 weeks of this putrid campaign?
Apathy is the absolute worst thing a sports franchise can receive from its fans.
Lurie has to know how close this franchise is teetering on the brink of creating a serious rift with possibly the most reactionary fan base in all of sports.
Lurie cannot have forgotten what it was like when he took control of this franchise in the waning days of the Rich Kotite era.
He cannot have forgotten the "Dead Coach Walking" final days of Ray Rhodes, his first hire.
If Lurie doesn't recognize the similarities to Reid in this 13th year, he has simply closed his eyes, ears and mind to what is happening around him.
But it's hard to ignore the deafening silence of the Linc being virtually empty for the final 15 minutes of an Eagles game.
Lurie has shown unshakable commitment to Reid in the face of an onslaught of criticism. Even now, I'm sure he is not inclined to eat the final $10 million and 2 years that Reid has left on his contract.
He can find an excuse to bring Reid back.
I'm not sure, however, if Lurie fully comprehends how high the stakes have been raised.
In the past, despite all the griping after another lost championship, the Eagles could still count on frustrated fans regaining their star-crossed hopes and believing the next time would be different.
That meant that no matter how disappointed fans were, Lurie still could count on them to purchase all the tickets and buy tons of Eagles merchandise.
But it's Nov. 28, and the holiday shopping season has just gotten under way.
Given the hype coming in, this is undoubtedly the most disappointing season of the Reid era. Disappointing to the point where Eagles fans just walked out on their team.
The tickets for the final two home games against the New York Jets and Washington taterskins have already been sold, but it's going be awful strange to sit in a Linc that may be three-quarters full and devoid of passion as the Birds play out the string.
There's not a player on the Eagles roster who has fans clamoring to purchase his alternate jersey during the peak of the holiday shopping season.
Some amateur silk-screener on a street corner might end up peddling more T-shirts of "Calvin" urinating in the opposite direction of a "Fire Andy" sign than stores selling officially licensed Eagles gear.
To be fair, the "Fire Andy" chants didn't go that far yesterday at Lincoln Financial Field, but that doesn't mean Eagles fans didn't make their thoughts perfectly clear to Lurie.
They walked out on his football team - not theirs.
If I make an accusation that Andy molested me as a kid, will he be fired?
Quote
Andy Reid took exception to being asked if he still stands behind his decision to hire offensive line coach Juan Castillo as his defensive coordinator, after the Birds' most lopsided loss of the season.
"Obviously, you didn't ask me that last week," when the Eagles beat the Giants and the defense played well, Reid said. "A bad game, I guess you feel comfortable asking that, but I think it's all the way around. We have to do a better job all the way around."
Ruben's got nothing on this oaf in the smug dept.
Good God just go away, Andy.
PG's quote infuriates me. Why can't people write a goddamn paragraph anymore? That crap is just one sentence followed by another. iceholes.
Fire the f'n editors nationwide, they aren't doing their jobs.
Ok - so let's start throwing out replacements. Who do you armchair GMs want running the team?
Winston Moss?
Chuck Pagano?
Tony Sparano?
Steve Spagnuolo?
Quote from: Diomedes on November 28, 2011, 06:13:36 PM
PG's quote infuriates me. Why can't people write a goddamn paragraph anymore? That crap is just one sentence followed by another. iceholes.
Fire the f'n editors nationwide, they aren't doing their jobs.
Honestly, I think it was more the weird spacing from the copy paste job.
are you asking this in defense of reid?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 28, 2011, 07:40:50 PM
Ok - so let's start throwing out replacements. Who do you armchair GMs want running the team?
Winston Moss?
Chuck Pagano?
Tony Sparano?
Steve Spagnuolo?
My top three:
1. Joe Paterno
2. Tim Tebow
3. Jesus
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
are you asking this in defense of reid?
Nope, I believe that its about time for him to go.
I'd like Jeff Fisher as the HC and Spags as the DC
Has it gotten so bad in StLou that Spags might get fired? It's only his second year.
its actually his third. and he will be gone at the end of the year.
THIS GUY gruden would be fine with me, too.
fisher jerked off peter king and mort and was always put up in a bigger light than he deserved. he had so much time in tennessee and didnt win a fleshpop sandwich.
id take almost anyone in place of reid...the only type coach i wouldnt want is some elder who been around forever...like how the cowboys hired wade phillips or how shottenheimer used to get hired over and over
id def take fisher or cowher but i also would have no problem taking a chnce on an up and comer
the more important thing to me than the net head coach is making sure howie goes out the door with reid....if andy goes and howie doesnt then im gonna be salty as farg and not really care who the hed coach is...i get the feeling that even with andy who is a veteran guy with lots of power than banner and howie have lil danni like influence on the team and that scares the shtein out of me because that power play will only increase with a new coach
Fisher and Cowher are the same coach as Reid, but they like defense and running the ball. I can see why a lot of people would be fine with them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
id take almost anyone in place of reid...the only type coach i wouldnt want is some elder who been around forever...like how the cowboys hired wade phillips or how shottenheimer used to get hired over and over
id def take fisher or cowher but i also would have no problem taking a chnce on an up and comer
the more important thing to me than the net head coach is making sure howie goes out the door with reid....if andy goes and howie doesnt then im gonna be salty as farg and not really care who the hed coach is...i get the feeling that even with andy who is a veteran guy with lots of power than banner and howie have lil danni like influence on the team and that scares the shtein out of me because that power play will only increase with a new coach
Howie isn't going anywhere. If anything they will involve him in the HC search because he is the GM and he is Banner's boy.
the only, and i mean only reason that i pause the slightest bit about firing reid is because i am sure that Howie and Joey are going to hire some pencil pusher from the marketing department
They'll take the quality control coach from Saginaw State and turn him into the next Lombardi.
Reid looks absolutely awful these days, worse than ever. The stress is killing him.
I'm hoping Lurie gives him a vote of confidence by way of an extension.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 28, 2011, 08:28:56 PM
I'm hoping Lurie gives him a vote of confidence by way of an extension.
POTY
I would like to see them get some new blood, someone like Jay Gruden. Whoever it is I want to see someone that actually drafts for talent and not "solid" players.
I hope they get one of the Patriots coordinators. Guys who leave there have a killer track record.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 28, 2011, 08:28:56 PM
Reid looks absolutely awful these days, worse than ever. The stress is killing him.
I'm hoping Lurie gives him a vote of confidence by way of an extension.
This post is LEGIT.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
id take almost anyone in place of reid...the only type coach i wouldnt want is some elder who been around forever...like how the cowboys hired wade phillips or how shottenheimer used to get hired over and over
id def take fisher or cowher but i also would have no problem taking a chnce on an up and comer
the more important thing to me than the net head coach is making sure howie goes out the door with reid....if andy goes and howie doesnt then im gonna be salty as farg and not really care who the hed coach is...i get the feeling that even with andy who is a veteran guy with lots of power than banner and howie have lil danni like influence on the team and that scares the shtein out of me because that power play will only increase with a new coach
Literally couldn't agree more
im suprised you could understand it enough to agree with it...good lord theres like 11 typos in that one paragraph
QuoteSigns point, for now, to Reid staying put
Posted by Mike Florio on November 30, 2011, 10:12 AM EST
A Philadelphia Eagles fan shouts "Fire Andy" towards the Eagles head coach Andy Reid in Philadelphia Reuters
At a time when the folks in Philly have once again broken out the pitchforks and torches, their efforts to clamor for change in the coaching ranks of the local NFL team ultimately could fall on deaf ears.
Though more people than ever can now envision the end of the Andy Reid era after 13 years featuring one Super Bowl appearance, the smart money in league circles remains on Reid staying put, even if the Dream Team fails (as expected) to make it to the playoffs.
The fact remains that Reid is a very good coach. He has proven to be one of the best quarterbacks coaches in league history, as evidenced by the reality that quarterbacks play better with Reid than they do with anyone else. From Mike Vick to Kevin Kolb to Donovan McNabb to Vince Young (with limited time in the system) to A.J. Feeley to Jeff Garcia to Koy Detmer to Mike McMahon, Reid has shown on a consistent basis that he can coach up quarterbacks. Since quarterback remains the most important position on the field, that ability should not be underestimated.
Then there's the fact that Reid would quickly find himself on the wish list for pretty much any team that fires its coach. As Howard Eskin of NBC 10 and WIP radio pointed out on Monday's PFT Live, Reid could be a perfect fit for the Chargers and quarterback Philip Rivers. If the Vikings, who once hired Reid's right-hand man, decide to move on from Leslie Frazier in an effort to get a new stadium built, why not give the keys to Reid?
Then there are the taterskins, who may be more inclined to move on from Mike Shanahan if the man who has beaten the taterskins 16 of 25 times since Dan Snyder bought the team becomes available.
Regardless, someone will want to hire Reid. And the fear that he could go somewhere else and finish the job he started in Philly could be the factor that prompts owner Jeffrey Lurie to let Reid keep trying to finish the job where he started it.
Peter King also said that he doesn't believe that he will be canned either.
so the reason he wont be fired is that someone else might hire him?
thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard
if hes not fired its because banner inc personally likes the guy and is being overly loyal.....period
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2011, 07:14:15 AM
im suprised you could understand it enough to agree with it...good lord theres like 11 typos in that one paragraph
Haha....it's not my first time reading posts on this board; it's almost like I learned a second language.
The point is Reid is only part of the problem. Until the entire FO is napalmed, the Eagles aren't going to be all that good
why would they be scared if andy went to san diego
what the farg do the eagles care about san diego. or even minnesota for that matter.
wherever he goes it might start like it did here in 1999. could be. but its beyond done here. its been 13 god damn years and everyone just needs a clean break.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 29, 2011, 10:31:48 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
id take almost anyone in place of reid...the only type coach i wouldnt want is some elder who been around forever...like how the cowboys hired wade phillips or how shottenheimer used to get hired over and over
id def take fisher or cowher but i also would have no problem taking a chnce on an up and comer
the more important thing to me than the net head coach is making sure howie goes out the door with reid....if andy goes and howie doesnt then im gonna be salty as farg and not really care who the hed coach is...i get the feeling that even with andy who is a veteran guy with lots of power than banner and howie have lil danni like influence on the team and that scares the shtein out of me because that power play will only increase with a new coach
Literally couldn't agree more
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2011, 07:14:15 AM
im suprised you could understand it enough to agree with it...good lord theres like 11 typos in that one paragraph
A little hard to read but correct. I don't think that a guy like Cowher would even take the job if he went into an interview with Roseman.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2011, 12:09:18 PM
so the reason he wont be fired is that someone else might hire him?
thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard
Yeah, that's really the stupidest argument for keeping Reid yet.
So they won't get another coach that might be able to actually win a Super Bowl in this city (which is the whole point afterall) for some insane idea that he might, maybe, take another team to a Super Bowl somewhere else?
Well hell if that's the case don't ever get rid of anymore under producing players, they might go to another team and win a Super Bowl with them... can't have that.
One step closer.
He has officially lost 100% of his team. Regardless of what they say. They should fire him now. Just to prove a point. I dont' care if the NCC janitor becomes interim HC, fire him now.
I text Sarge tonite that I'm officially on board the Fire Andy Reid wagon. You know if I'm getting on, it's seriously overdue.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 01, 2011, 11:10:32 PM
They should fire him now. Just to prove a point. I dont' care if the NCC janitor becomes interim HC, fire him now.
yeah fire the winningest coach in franchise history who gave you 13 mostly good years with four games left in the season
even after the season were he to go hes not gonna get fired.....its going to be a mutual decision that all parties think is the best direction to go in
shut up IGY
Lurie has to know they've lost the fanbase now as well. Even the people I knew who defended Reid to the death for YEARS....they can't even stand the sight of him right now (my dad included in that).
He has to do something to make the fanbase think there is hope at some point in the future.
It would probably take a television blackout before Lurie gets the message.
Did you SEE him in the last game vs. teh Patriots in that suite? I thought he was going to cry.
of course he should be fired but it would be the most classless despicable move of all time to fire this guy right now....they wouldnt be able to get a high school coach to come there were they to do that
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 01, 2011, 11:20:12 PM
Did you SEE him in the last game vs. teh Patriots in that suite? I thought he was going to cry.
That's because he was looking at Robert Kraft and thinking to himself "that should have been me!"
You act like no coach has ever been fired mid-season before. It's not like he's fresh off the Super Bowl anymore, this downward spiral has been building for years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2011, 11:20:46 PM
of course he should be fired but it would be the most classless despicable move of all time to fire this guy right now....they wouldnt be able to get a high school coach to come there were they to do that
Exactly.
You let him ride it out. Its punishment enough to make him wallow in his own shtein of watching Juan Castillo try to coach a defense.
Quote from: TexasEagle on December 01, 2011, 11:22:12 PM
You act like no coach has ever been fired mid-season before. It's not like he's fresh off the Super Bowl anymore, this downward spiral has been building for years.
EXACTLY.
The FO has a stigma of treating players like ish. Firing the winningest coach in franchise history mid-season would say that they don't care about coaches either. I'd love to see Reid get fired right now, but I agree with igy in that it would be a terrible move by the FO.
the guy is the best coach in franchise history and will one day be on their wall of fame or whatever they call it...hes not jack del rio...saying he should be fired now is one of the dumbest things ive ever heard and im not hyperbolizing either...cant even believe im entertaining this stupidity
firing him does nothing now, the season is over and the entire staff is going to be gutted
you let them finish the season out and put it out there shortly before the week 17 game that hes done. what purpose does it serve to have marty coach the last 4 games out.
I don't care when he's fired (as long as he DOES get fired) I'm just saying it's not unheard of to dump a coach mid-season. It's not quite the end of the world some of you are making it out to be and outside of a few talking heads on tv not too many people would be shocked if it happened. Which I don't think it will because Jeffrey's a spineless wuss too.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2011, 11:24:09 PM
The FO has a stigma of treating players like ish. Firing the winningest coach in franchise history mid-season would say that they don't care about coaches either. I'd love to see Reid get fired right now, but I agree with igy in that it would be a terrible move by the FO.
not just that stigma but how about just not being a fleshpop to the guy....say what you want about his coaching deficiencies and there are several...but hes been unbelievable loyal to the franchise and its employees....awesome in the community...and just an all around good person...he deserves respect and to be treated right on hiw way out
Quote from: TexasEagle on December 01, 2011, 11:27:41 PM
I don't care when he's fired (as long as he DOES get fired) I'm just saying it's not unheard of to dump a coach mid-season.
to a coach of andys stature and his standing in the annals of the franchise it certainly would be...id be willing to bet its never happened in league history...at least in the modern era that anyone close to as successful as hes been has gotten fired midseason
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2011, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2011, 11:24:09 PM
The FO has a stigma of treating players like ish. Firing the winningest coach in franchise history mid-season would say that they don't care about coaches either. I'd love to see Reid get fired right now, but I agree with igy in that it would be a terrible move by the FO.
not just that stigma but how about just not being a fleshpop to the guy....say what you want about his coaching deficiencies and there are several...but hes been unbelievable loyal to the franchise and its employees....awesome in the community...and just an all around good person...he deserves respect and to be treated right on hiw way out
Yep. He deserves better.
And I am not even convinced that they will fire him at all.
LOL "We didn't do a very good job."
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 01, 2011, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 01, 2011, 11:20:12 PM
Did you SEE him in the last game vs. teh Patriots in that suite? I thought he was going to cry.
That's because he was looking at Robert Kraft and thinking to himself "that should have been me!"
:-D :-D :-D
Why is no one else laughing at this?
i highly doubt it, in fact i see nothing changing
you can tell him to fire juan but you cant tell a coach who his assistants should be. jack del rio would actually be great but theres such an utter lack of talent on this defense it wont make a funholehair of a difference.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2011, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2011, 11:20:46 PM
of course he should be fired but it would be the most classless despicable move of all time to fire this guy right now....they wouldnt be able to get a high school coach to come there were they to do that
Exactly.
You let him ride it out. Its punishment enough to make him wallow in his own shtein of watching Juan Castillo try to coach a defense.
Baldy was talking about Juan earlier this week and he said it wouldn't matter if they had Dick LaBeau. There are no LBs
i think hes gone because hes had enough...he knows its run it course and i think he will decide its time...were he to go to the FO and appeal for another year i believe they would def keep him...but i dont think thats gonna happen
the x factor is vick....vick is his project and andy is the reason he got that contract...so in a way id be surprised if he didnt spend another year with him
Reid - "I can't complain a bit about the work ethic and the effort they put forth."
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
i think hes gone because hes had enough...he knows its run it course and i think he will decide its time...were he to go to the FO and appeal for another year i believe they would def keep him...but i dont think thats gonna happen
the x factor is vick....vick is his project and andy is the reason he got that contract...so in a way id be surprised if he didnt spend another year with him
He has 2yrs $5M per left on his deal right? Would he walk from that? They'd have to buy him out I'd think.
I still believe he is staying. I've always believed it would take two disastrous years back to back to force him out.
money is irrelevant because he gets a job as one of the highest paid coaches in the league within a week after he leaves the eagles
he, like every single coach who gets elevated to that position, is as stubborn as the most stubborn republican can get
if the eagles want to get rid of andy they are going to fire his ass.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2011, 11:42:46 PM
money is irrelevant because he gets a job as one of the highest paid coaches in the league within a week after he leaves the eagles
Great, let him give another fan base blue balls for 13 years.
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2011, 11:43:55 PM
he, like every single coach who gets elevated to that position, is as stubborn as the most stubborn republican can get
if the eagles want to get rid of andy they are going to fire his ass.
not true...because they are all such good friends outside of football and have been together for so long it wont end like that
it will be a buyout with the maybe the eagles agreeing to pay the difference btwn his current deal and his next deal if the next one is for less money
or he will simply say its time and they will mutually part
id be shocked if hes actually fired
in the end tho i agree that he will probably stay for another year
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2011, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 01, 2011, 11:43:55 PM
he, like every single coach who gets elevated to that position, is as stubborn as the most stubborn republican can get
if the eagles want to get rid of andy they are going to fire his ass.
not true...because they are all such good friends outside of football and have been together for so long it wont end like that
it will be a buyout with the maybe the eagles agreeing to pay the difference btwn his current deal and his next deal if the next one is for less money
or he will simply say its time and they will mutually part
id be shocked if hes actually fired
in the end tho i agree that he will probably stay for another year
Well then that sounds more like a Democrat union deal :)
Like I said, he stays, they lose the fans. The fans need a change. While I have been clamoring for years to get rid of Reid, 5 times as many people have been clamoring for him to stay. Those fans have given up on him. They're done. The fans are just done.
Lurie HAS to know that at this point.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 01, 2011, 11:52:04 PM
Like I said, he stays, they lose the fans. The fans need a change. While I have been clamoring for years to get rid of Reid, 5 times as many people have been clamoring for him to stay. Those fans have given up on him. They're done. The fans are just done.
Lurie HAS to know that at this point.
I hope your right PG!
lurie will know when season tickets renewals come back negative
breaking news from hanover. igy sends his money in on time. 59,599 others follow suit.
breaking news from novacare. andy gets 2 year extension.
how many empty seats do you think he'll see in the next 2 home games?
less than he should
I am not a Florio fan, but he just put it simply:
Quote8. The vitriol in Philadelphia may be tough for the Eagles ownership to handle, no matter how much they want to keep Andy Reid.
Apparently its not just the fans its also the players. They need to tank the rest of the season and draft RGIII or Barkley.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 01, 2011, 11:55:53 PM
how many empty seats do you think he'll see in the next 2 home games?
there wont be any next game...they will all be filled by jet fans
I'm not usually vocal on this topic, but it's clearly time for a change. Unfortunately, that's only half the problem.
Here's a question for you-- if you could get rid of EITHER Reid or Banner, who would you get rid of?
I'd go with Banner, because I think he's tougher to get rid of and more of the longer term problem.
its not even close...banner is the devil and runs the team....reid is a good but flawed head coach
but banner goes when lurie sells the team so i dont see that as a discussion topic
Haha...for all you know, that's when Reid goes, too.
its a lot different relationship in that lurie and banner are childhood friends from boston....that said it wouldnt suprise me at all if reid is around for another few years
i guess the one hope for banner leaving would be that he just quits to do something else the ole "pursue other opportunities" but he will never be asked by lurie to leave...
rather than spending my time with an unrealistic hope that banner leaves my wish is for lurie to take a little more control and tell banner to throw howie in a lava pit and hire a real president of football operations...it cant be overstated (and its being underplayed) how historically bad the last two drafts have been...throw in this past offseasons free agent debacle the pimp miscalculation and the vick decision (not the contract but the idea that he was a real nfl qb and your future) and the PP department is pretty much in a shambles and PP is the foundation for everything
My hope is they get a new coach and qb because Banner is not going anywhere.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2011, 07:17:01 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 01, 2011, 11:55:53 PM
how many empty seats do you think he'll see in the next 2 home games?
there wont be any next game...they will all be filled by jet fans
Even better. He'll shrivel like a prune seeing that.
He will just see green
I'm actually still okay with Vick. We've seen this season that when he's given time to throw, he can actully make his reads and carve up a defense. Problem is that we saw him do that last year for 5 or 6 games when he DIDN'T have time, but stood in there and still made excellent throws. That was obviously a fliuke. The only difference now between a guy like Vick and the tony romo/jay cutler/etcs of the world is he's a hell of a lot faster when he has to scramble
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 02, 2011, 09:21:46 AM
He will just see green
He'll hear the cheers for the 6 Jets TDs that will be scored. And for every INT Young throws.
soft ass vick better be starting by the miami game
ill be bringing a decent amount of jets fans myself..trying to get as many as i can to show up
I have no problem with Vick other than his inability to stay on the field. While I'm not sure I could pass on Barkley if he was available, Vick is so far down the list of my concerns about the Eagles at this stage that its sad.
cant stay healthy....cant see over the offensive line...turnover machine
vick isnt a concern in a box because there are other positions that are more in need of an immediate fix...however big picture hes a concern because no 5-10 running qb is going to win a superbowl...so if they can get a potential franchise qb for the future you do it
http://www.quickmeme.com/Scumbag-Andy-Reid/
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YES! :-D Can we get petitions from all 50 states?
The best part of that is the old school Eagles logo.
Too bad the New England icehole and his funhole wife "hate" the kelly green.
I'm about as sick of Lurie as I am Reid.
Dream on fag!
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the best thing that could happen to this bunch is they lose out, they fire reid & roseman, get a real general manager in there and have banner die in a car wreck.
i'd take one out of four at this point starting with the father of the year being shown the farging door.
Well at least they finally got to upstage the bums.
I can't see any situation where Lurie keeps Reid on. Maybe I'm naive but I really believe this is his last season. When your front office goes 'all in' (and we can all argue what that means but they shelled out a shtein ton of money), the coach loses the team, they go from making the playoffs to maybe 5 or 6 wins, and the coach promotes the O-line coach as his DC - a move that every person in the entire universe knew was going to backfire - then he has to go. There's not much more he can do at this point to get himself fired. The only thing that would put the final nail in the coffin is if they found out Juan was showering with the ball boys and Andy knew about it but kept quiet.
I can already see the PC. Jeffy and Andy will be sitting there saying "we came to a mutual decision that this is what was best for the club and for Andy".
I'll throw this out there:
You're Lurie and you fire Reid. You have your pick of whatever coach is out there, do you give an unknown like a coordinator a shot or do you go with an established guy?
Second part depending on which one you chose is who are you hiring? My number 1 choice would be Bill Cowher. His style fits the NFC East and he's the opposite of Reid and his finesse bullshtein.
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 06:23:47 PM
I can already see the PC. Jeffy and Andy will be sitting there saying "we came to a mutual decision that this is what was best for the club and for Andy".
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Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 06:26:03 PM
My number 1 choice would be Bill Cowher. His style fits the NFC East and he's the opposite of Reid and his finesse bullshtein.
Would he come to Philadelphia? That would be my first choice. How much control did he have in Pittsburgh? Guy knew how to draft a defense.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 02, 2011, 06:30:54 PM
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 06:26:03 PM
My number 1 choice would be Bill Cowher. His style fits the NFC East and he's the opposite of Reid and his finesse bullshtein.
Would he come to Philadelphia? That would be my first choice. How much control did he have in Pittsburgh? Guy knew how to draft a defense.
You're putting to much thought into it. Who would you pursue if you were Jeff, that's the question.
I've been putting to much thought into a head coach since Vermeil left. Cowher would be the perfect fit. His style fits right into the NFC East.
The who would Lurie Inc. persue is the frightening part.
Would you take Vermeil back? I would. I don't care how old he is. I remember they talked about hiring him before they hired Reid...then Jeff pissed him off.
I have to believe Philadelphia is a premier coaching spot to land if the FO let whoever came in do their thing. That's a huge if though. And I'm on board for Cowher. I'm worried if its a young coordinator that Banner and co may have agreed to hire whoever if they retain x amount of control. I can't imagine Cowher coming on board with that bullshtein, so if he's here, it's a good sign.
How bout this for a darkhorse candidate: Bill Parcells
A good old ass whoop in from a Parcells or Vermeil would be a welcome edition. Could you imagine the shtein/players he'd be calling out this season?
Parcells' time is passed.
Jeff Fisher is the only guy I would like to see brought in. No up and comer.
That's my biggest fear, "the up and comer". This franchise needs someone with a ton of NFL head coaching experience.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
Parcells' time is passed.
Jeff Fisher is the only guy I would like to see brought in. No up and comer.
Pass on Fisher and Gruden
im open to anyone...established or a newbie....i just want a defensive mind this time
not really gonna matter tho until they overhaul the PP dept.....there just arent many good players on the roster...and even less young good players...especially with pimp gone...
they need someone that can begin to stock the cubbard
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
Parcells' time is passed.
Jeff Fisher is the only guy I would like to see brought in. No up and comer.
Pass on Fisher and Gruden
Why no Fisher?
Gruden is overrated and his offense is awful.
But you'd take 80yr old Parcells over Fisher?? So he can mail it in like he did with the Fish GM job?
FWIW, I like that both Asante and Shady defend him, and it was awesome to see him defend Pimp.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
Parcells' time is passed.
Jeff Fisher is the only guy I would like to see brought in. No up and comer.
Pass on Fisher and Gruden
Why no Fisher?
Gruden is overrated and his offense is awful.
But you'd take 80yr old Parcells over Fisher?? So he can mail it in like he did with the Fish GM job?
Sell me on Fisher
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 07:49:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
Parcells' time is passed.
Jeff Fisher is the only guy I would like to see brought in. No up and comer.
Pass on Fisher and Gruden
Why no Fisher?
Gruden is overrated and his offense is awful.
But you'd take 80yr old Parcells over Fisher?? So he can mail it in like he did with the Fish GM job?
Sell me on Fisher
Established HC
Defensive minded (believes in stopping the run first)
Likes a strong running game to keep his defense fresh
13/16 years they were top-10 rushing offense
During his time in HOU/TEN his defenses finished 4th in that time against the run (12/16 yrs top 10 run defense)
12/16 years they finished with an average of 31 minutes time of possession
He is a strong leader but not a drill sergeant like Coughlin.
I like guys like that who can lead but don't have to get nuts about it. He's got a nice resume and that holds water in the locker room verus some up and comer who is looking to make a name for himself.
He knows Philadelphia very well since he used to work for the Eagles.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 08:28:16 PM
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 07:49:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
Parcells' time is passed.
Jeff Fisher is the only guy I would like to see brought in. No up and comer.
Pass on Fisher and Gruden
Why no Fisher?
Gruden is overrated and his offense is awful.
But you'd take 80yr old Parcells over Fisher?? So he can mail it in like he did with the Fish GM job?
Sell me on Fisher
Established HC
Defensive minded (believes in stopping the run first)
Likes a strong running game to keep his defense fresh
13/16 years they were top-10 rushing offense
During his time in HOU/TEN his defenses finished 4th in that time against the run (12/16 yrs top 10 run defense)
12/16 years they finished with an average of 31 minutes time of possession
He is a strong leader but not a drill sergeant like Coughlin.
I like guys like that who can lead but don't have to get nuts about it. He's got a nice resume and that holds water in the locker room verus some up and comer who is looking to make a name for himself.
He knows Philadelphia very well since he used to work for the Eagles.
Never won a god damned thing.
Reid isn't going anywhere. They owe him 10 million goddamn dollars. Do you think Lurie wants to part with that sort of cash and pay another coach something similar?
We're all stuck with this oaf, so deal with it.
Quote from: General_Failure on December 02, 2011, 08:33:38 PM
Never won a god damned thing.
Exactly
His resume is impressive but he spent over a decade in one spot and never won squat. We already have a coach like that here. Just swap offense for defense. I'll pass on Fisher, I'd rather they went with an unknown than him to be honest.
Quote from: Rome on December 02, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
Reid isn't going anywhere. They owe him 10 million goddamn dollars. Do you think Lurie wants to part with that sort of cash and pay another coach something similar?
We're all stuck with this oaf, so deal with it.
$10 million ain't shtein to Lurie especially if the fans stop buying merchandise and supporting the team like they are now. He can't afford to keep Reid especially when he shelled out a load of money on f/a's this offseason for 4-6 wins.
What they'll end up doing is firing Castillo, hiring a legit d-coordinator, and Lurie will issue some sort of vague statement about commitment to winning it all at some point.
Trust me, it's science.
I disagree, this season is different. They thought they were one step away from the big game and broke the bank and it didn't work out. It's not like past seasons where they added a decent f/a then disappointed us with another zesty draft. This year they went for it and Reid didn't come through. Someone has to pay. Juan is also Reid's mistake.
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 06:26:03 PM
I'll throw this out there:
You're Lurie and you fire Reid. You have your pick of whatever coach is out there, do you give an unknown like a coordinator a shot or do you go with an established guy?
The "god complex" with this team isn't limited to Andy. Lurie hired Reid when he was a nobody o line coach so I have no doubt he'll try to do the same whenever he hires a new coach.
Also, as much as Im ready for Reid to go, I would gladly take 5 more years of him in exchange for getting rid of Roseman and Banner and replacing them with real football guys.
Quote from: Rome on December 02, 2011, 09:18:34 PM
What they'll end up doing is firing Castillo, hiring a legit d-coordinator, and Lurie will issue some sort of vague statement about commitment to winning it all at some point.
Trust me, it's science.
I'd like to see Fisher as the coordinator. No idea if he's willing to go back to coordinating though.
I agree that Reid is not going anywhere.
However for discussion sake; why would you take a shot on an unknown? If they bomb on that selection it sets them back maybe 4 years. You take an established HC and give him the keys and let him do his thing.
And when I say established I mean a successful guy. Not some re-tread like Norv Turner or Chan Gailey or Dom Capers.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 09:43:25 PM
I agree that Reid is not going anywhere.
However for discussion sake; why would you take a shot on an unknown? If they bomb on that selection it sets them back maybe 4 years. You take an established HC and give him the keys and let him do his thing.
And when I say established I mean a successful guy. Not some re-tread like Norv Turner or Chan Gailey or Dom Capers.
I don't know the answer to this myself, but has there been an "established successful head coach" that has gone to another team and won a superbowl?
please dont give me the get cowher or gruden mantra..
not that it matters, Reid probably will not be fired this year
Quote from: charlie on December 02, 2011, 10:06:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 09:43:25 PM
I agree that Reid is not going anywhere.
However for discussion sake; why would you take a shot on an unknown? If they bomb on that selection it sets them back maybe 4 years. You take an established HC and give him the keys and let him do his thing.
And when I say established I mean a successful guy. Not some re-tread like Norv Turner or Chan Gailey or Dom Capers.
I don't know the answer to this myself, but has there been an "established successful head coach" that has gone to another team and won a superbowl?
please dont give me the get cowher or gruden mantra..
not that it matters, Reid probably will not be fired this year
I don't want Gruden. I wouldn't mind Cowher but I don't think he's as good as people make him out to be.
I would take Fisher in a hot second.
Not that I don't like Fisher, but it's funny that you'd take him over Cowher.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 09:43:25 PM
I agree that Reid is not going anywhere.
However for discussion sake; why would you take a shot on an unknown? If they bomb on that selection it sets them back maybe 4 years. You take an established HC and give him the keys and let him do his thing.
And when I say established I mean a successful guy. Not some re-tread like Norv Turner or Chan Gailey or Dom Capers.
Mike Mccarthy, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin...none of these guys were head coaches before they were hired by their respective teams, they won the last 3 superbowls. That's why you take a chance on an unknown if the guy is right.
What I think/hope will happen, is that Lurie shows Roseman the door, and moves Andy up to his GM spot. Then Andy can hire his own coach. I think Andy would be a good GM.
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 10:43:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2011, 09:43:25 PM
I agree that Reid is not going anywhere.
However for discussion sake; why would you take a shot on an unknown? If they bomb on that selection it sets them back maybe 4 years. You take an established HC and give him the keys and let him do his thing.
And when I say established I mean a successful guy. Not some re-tread like Norv Turner or Chan Gailey or Dom Capers.
Mike Mccarthy, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin...none of these guys were head coaches before they were hired by their respective teams, they won the last 3 superbowls. That's why you take a chance on an unknown if the guy is right.
You could add the Harbaugh's in there too. But there are also many misses too.
Do you have the confidence that the Eagles brain trust, and I use that term lightly, could find another no-name guy like they did with Reid?
Yes...Lurie is smart enough to do his homework. When it comes to hiring a HC he'll be the one making the final say, no way he lets the Jew's make that decision. Before he hired Reid he consulted everyone and their mother to make sure he was the right hire.
Guaranteed they get an up and comer. GUARANTEED.
And you're being ridiculous if you don't think Reid is gone. There isn't a chance in hell he is here after the season.
Common sense would say that's he's gone. Common sense has no place in predicting the Eagles.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 02, 2011, 11:51:03 PM
And you're being ridiculous if you don't think Reid is gone. There isn't a chance in hell he is here after the season.
Who is this directed towards? J...Rome?
both.
Money talks. Lurie WILL start to see money lost (more than he is starting to). It is holiday season and guaranteed they're not selling even half the jerseys they've sold in the past 15 years. It was not even this bad when they were 3-13 with Ray Rhodes.
Surely this holiday season they're riding high on a wave of Danny Watkins jersey sales!
I don't think merchandising means much in the NFL. I believe each licensed item sold goes to the NFL and NFLPA for distribution to each team. I remember Runyan saying this at one point.
If advertising dollars, ticket sales and stadium concessions fall then he takes note. But the ticket sales will still be strong because those who don't renew will be replaced by the people on the waiting list.
And if they decide to keep Andy and make other changes (veteran DC and other roster moves) by the time camp rolls around the interest will still be high.
So I don't think it's far fetched to think he will return for another season.
It means plenty, Jay. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
The Jets/Eagles game at the Linc will be 75% Jets fans. That will KILL Patriot Jeff. JETS fans taking over HIS house? ha!
No, any fan out there will see through the band aid that will be a new DC. The defense isn't the only problem. CLearly.
then the skins game at the end of the year is going to be a boo-fest morgue
i hope it snows and someone (sunmo?) throws an ice pellet at andy's skull
The more I say Reid is going nowhere the better a chance there is he'll be gone.
Telling ya... SCIENCE.
Quote from: shorebird on December 02, 2011, 11:08:14 PM
What I think/hope will happen, is that Lurie shows Roseman the door, and moves Andy up to his GM spot. Then Andy can hire his own coach. I think Andy would be a good GM.
What makes you think Andy would be a good GM? Honest question because I just don't see it. It's not like the Eagles had been stellar at drafting before Roseman came along and you know Heckert wasn't running the show before he got run out of town. I want Andy no where close to this team unless he's a QB coach... and even then
maybe.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 03, 2011, 12:10:17 AM
both.
Money talks. Lurie WILL start to see money lost (more than he is starting to). It is holiday season and guaranteed they're not selling even half the jerseys they've sold in the past 15 years. It was not even this bad when they were 3-13 with Ray Rhodes.
fans dont buy jerseys because of the coach they buy jerseys because the team wins...and reid (with a new dc) has as much chance to win 10 games next year with this team as anyone else on the planet does
and dont underestimate the stubborness of banner inc....with the tornado of calls for reids head in the city especially when it comes to wip...whom banner inc considers the devil himself...i cannot see reid leaving at this point...id put it at 70-30 he stays...the last thing on earth banner inc would ever ever ever ever want to is be perceived as having made the move because of the fans/wip...i suspect what happenes is reid finishes out his current deal then moves on and they all say this was always the plan win or lose
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 09:13:42 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 02, 2011, 08:33:38 PM
Never won a god damned thing.
Exactly
His resume is impressive but he spent over a decade in one spot and never won squat. We already have a coach like that here. Just swap offense for defense. I'll pass on Fisher, I'd rather they went with an unknown than him to be honest.
im not pimping fisher specifically but its ridiculous to say ________ has never won anything....as a reason not to hire them...
no coach has ever won a superbowl with two different teams...where as you have people like vermeil dungy stram gruden who won with new teams
again thats not a backing of any one candidate....the point is theres no magic formula for finding a good coach...gruden won a superbowl fisher hasnt...is one better than the other?....bill parcells was the coach at air force with no nfl ties whatsoever tom flores was a superbowl winning assistant coach under john madden...parcells was the better coach...mike ditka was hall of fame player and a long time assistant under tom landry...mike tomlin never played in the nfl and was the vikings defensive coordinator for one season...
point is you cant make blanket judgements that would eliminate any particular head coach...
heres a general step by step that id abide by:
1. first decide what side of the ball you want your hire to come from (imo it has to be defensive for the eagles)
2. check the resume
3. get testimonials from others
4. interview
5. hire
6. ensure you have a PP that gives him the right players
7. pray like hell
Quote from: Rome on December 02, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
Reid isn't going anywhere. They owe him 10 million goddamn dollars. Do you think Lurie wants to part with that sort of cash and pay another coach something similar?
We're all stuck with this oaf, so deal with it.
1. they only owe reid money if hes fired...if its a mutually decision or andy quits no loot
2. they dont pay him when he gets hired by another team which wil happen approximate 12 hours after he gone from philly
3. short of hiring a cowher and giving him full reign i dont think their coach is making anywhere close to the 5 mil range...remember reid gets paid for being a GM as well
4. say what you want about banner inc but they arent cheap
in short money doesnt have a god damn thing to do with this
I have pretty much come to the conclusion that whoever takes over will send me into a rage that will trump anything Reid ever did as a coach. It will probably be Marty, who is basically Reid yet more submissive. The real decision makers on the Eagles are Lurie and Howie now. Nothing will change. This team is so farged.
The problem here is that Reid is clearly still someone the players want to fight for. If they bring in someone who won't fight Banner and Roseman, things could only get worse.
Oh well. fargitall
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2011, 09:04:33 AM
The problem here is that Reid is clearly still someone the players want to fight for.
either you are being sarcastic or havent watched the last six games
Quote from: SD on December 02, 2011, 06:26:03 PM
I'll throw this out there:
You're Lurie and you fire Reid. You have your pick of whatever coach is out there, do you give an unknown like a coordinator a shot or do you go with an established guy?
Second part depending on which one you chose is who are you hiring? My number 1 choice would be Bill Cowher. His style fits the NFC East and he's the opposite of Reid and his finesse bullshtein.
Coordinator is higher on the organizational chart than the FO will go. If Reid is fired, prepare yourself for an unknown positional coach
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2011, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2011, 09:04:33 AM
The problem here is that Reid is clearly still someone the players want to fight for.
either you are being sarcastic or havent watched the last six games
Seriously. This team looks to have mailed it in since the Bears game. I keep hearing how these guys love Reid and Asante said Thursday night that "they have his back" but their performance on the field says the exact opposite.
The inmates (insert racist comment here) are running the asylum. That's what happens when you have no leadership in the locker room. At some point Reid has to realize this and address this issue by pulling someone aside and making it known they are the leader, the head coach is also the boss, Reid definitely has his players backs but at some point someone in the locker room has to take the initiative to rally the troops. Vick should be the guy but he's immature and will never be the type of guy to hold other players accountable.
Washburn questioned the play calling, he's one of the newer outsiders who actually hasn't fallen under the Reid spell. He's totally right. Its about time a player or a coach stepped up and said something. All you hear from the players is how much they love Reid and maybe they just do it for the cameras, but damn, come on. Anyone with mediocre knowledge of football can see how terrible this team is. The players can't be that dumb or they are just totally brainwashed.
Quote from: SD on December 03, 2011, 11:47:03 AM
The inmates (insert racist comment here) are running the asylum. That's what happens when you have no leadership in the locker room. At some point Reid has to realize this and address this issue by pulling someone aside and making it known they are the leader, the head coach is also the boss, Reid definitely has his players backs but at some point someone in the locker room has to take the initiative to rally the troops. Vick should be the guy but he's immature and will never be the type of guy to hold other players accountable.
I totally disagree. I think Vick is the only person on the offense worthy of being the leader and he has taken the role. The problem is there is no veteran supporting cast on the offense, other than olineman, who have much experience. When Vick got that contract he kept saying to the media, now I gotta go out and win a championship. Well, a do it all yourself mentality isn't what gets you a championship. Its playing one week to the next and developing an offense with your players. Not just having your eyes on the prize. I think Vick put too much pressure on himself and which has led to him doing things he shouldn't be. I think his coaches are not taking advantage of the real weapon on the offense which is McCoy. The offense is so out of balance its not even funny. Once again, Vick(McNabb, Young, whoever) are no Tom Brady or Drew Brees. You can't force these guys to throw 40+ a game. Especially when you have a back like McCoy who is capable of going the distance every time he gets the ball. DeSean Jackson is no longer that guy. McCoy needs to be the player you build your offense around. Not Jackson or Maclin who have never proven to be consistent yet in their career. Vick is never going to be a pass first QB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2011, 08:28:11 AM
im not pimping fisher specifically but its ridiculous to say ________ has never won anything....as a reason not to hire them...
Fisher, Cowher, Reid, and Schottenheimer are all the same coach. They can build you a respectable team, a really good team that will compete for a good long while. They're not very likely to win you a superbowl any time soon, however. While respectable would be a great improvement over what they are now, I would rather they take a shot on some coordinator that didn't come from the Patriots. That coordinator might shtein the bed, or they might get over that hump and do what one of those coaches can not.
no there not the same coaches....coaches are not lumped together by whether they have won a superbowl or not....coaches are defined by philosophy style substance preperation ability to adapt...how they delegate duties ect...
reid and cowher couldnt possibly be more different simply because one is an offensive mind and one a defensive....to lump them together is being incredibly short sighted due to oversimplification...plus you are pigeon holing coaches who have only ever coached at one place (reid cowher fisher) how the hell do you know that they would turn around another franchise and then hit a wall...as theres no body of evidence from which to make that definition of them...reid might go to san dieago and be average his whole time there...or fisher might come to philly and win a superbowl in five years
anyway by your reasoning cowher is much more don shula than he is andy reid or good god marty schottenheimer
I know how much you hate broad generalizations.
you didnt generalize you simplified
Quote from: charlie on December 02, 2011, 10:06:57 PMhas there been an "established successful head coach" that has gone to another team and won a superbowl?
Coughlin? He pretty much lucked into the one a few years back but he had some great years with the Jags.
As for Reid's replacement, I want Winston Moss. He pretty much fits the criteria most of you want....top assistant for a winning team, no head coach experience, defensive-minded coach and would fix the LB mess
Coughlin, Gruden, Dungy.
F Gruden
M Dungy
K Coughlin
P Diddy going on record to say that if they get rid of Reid, he thinks Billick would be the ONLY choice if they chose a former HC and didn't go the route of an up and comer.
im pretty sure you mean r diddy, kiddo
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 03, 2011, 01:51:02 PM
P Diddy going on record to say that if they get rid of Reid, he thinks Billick would be the ONLY choice if they chose a former HC and didn't go the route of an up and comer.
he knows exactly as much as we do....which is nothing
thats funny.. because billick and his whole coaching staff is actually a very good example of what lurie should do with reid and his.
although billick even won the sb in 01, his team was up and down since that...but he still made multiple playoff appearances and he finished with an 80-64 record. in 06 he finished 13-3, lost first round, then he was fired in 07. billicks tenure with the the ravens was tied with andy reid at the time.
the ravens ownership knew they werent going anywhere with billick again because his philosophy got old. it just goes to show you, you can win a sb and sit still doesnt grant you life with the franchise with a team owner dedicated to winning championships.
Quote from: MDS on December 03, 2011, 02:03:33 PM
im pretty sure you mean r diddy, kiddo
haha
I respect the hell out of Didinger but no way in hell do they replace Reid with Billick who is the luckiest coach in the history of Superbowl winning coaches. As bad as the Juan move was, that would be even worse.
how was he the luckiest coach ever?
the team was garbage for 3 years before billick and his staff got there. I dont care if some of the talent was there before he arrived, the previous coach couldnt do shtein with it.
he was lucky because he was a supposed offensive genius who couldnt coach offense but had a top three defense of all time that won him a superbowl
offensive guy that that put a defensive staff together that coached the shtein out of the players
doesnt seem like luck to me, seems like farging genius
Can poke holes in anyone available.
Gruden would be my top choice because he's proven to come in and get the most out of existing talent. Billick's a douche, but it would be entertaining to see him go at it with the Philly media.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2011, 02:22:55 PM
he was lucky because he was a supposed offensive genius who couldnt coach offense but had a top three defense of all time that won him a superbowl
yup
Gruden also inherited a tremendous D but his offenses could actually move the ball a little. Billick is a horrendus coach and a giant douchebag and I'd have a lot of trouble rooting for the Eagles if they hired him.
I have trouble rooting for a team with Joe Banner in charge, yet somehow I continue doing so like a pathetic meth addict.
billick wouldnt be in my top 5 but i also wouldnt be pissed if they hired him...however to call him a genius or say that he didnt hit the lottery with that defense is idiocy
I could care less about billick and if he ever came here, but to say the defense won the superbowl for him and he had nothing to do with that is pretty funny.
billick had carter, moss, robert smith, cunningham in 98. youre going to score a lot of points (matter of fact they made nfl history that year) so of course you'll be be deemed an offensice guru/genius. he went to the ravens and had dogshtein to play with.
they went 5 games without scoring a touchdown and won the super bowl, pretty sure thats winning on the back of a defense that he didn't build
Quote from: SunMo on December 03, 2011, 02:50:29 PM
they went 5 games without scoring a touchdown and won the super bowl, pretty sure thats winning on the back of a defense that he didn't build
apparently its not
He had dogshtein and his offenses never improved. He also had the best back in the league at the time and a solid O-line. If I remember correctly didn't they go 5 or 6 games straight without scoring a TD that season? A great offensive mind doesn't let that happen.
So, hire Winston Moss as head coach, Gruden to coach the defense, and Billick to... also coach the defense? What of Norv Turner?!?
he was only deemed a great offensive mind because of the year he had in 98 with great offensive players. and mike shanahan is a genius as well right?
and did you see who was the qb and the receivers he had in 2000? it was a joke of talent aside from s. sharpe and lewis--the biggest joke being the qb
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2011, 03:08:15 PM
So, hire Winston Moss as head coach, Gruden to coach the defense, and Billick to... also coach the defense? What of Norv Turner?!?
lol
brian billick: defensive genius....who knew?
maybe billick could play juanny to norv turners washburn
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2011, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 03, 2011, 03:08:15 PM
So, hire Winston Moss as head coach, Gruden to coach the defense, and Billick to... also coach the defense? What of Norv Turner?!?
brian billick: defensive genius....who knew?
Quote from: reese125 on December 03, 2011, 02:28:36 PM
offensive guy that that put a defensive staff together that coached the shtein out of the players
pay attention son
oh i am...its entertaining as hell...you give me the dose of munson i no longer get
I'm no huge fan of the guy or anything but Billick had Trent Dilfer as his quarterback and won the Super Bowl.
Give him Shady, Vick & Jackson and the rest and let's see what he could do with that group.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 03, 2011, 03:19:44 PM
oh i am...its entertaining as hell...you give me the dose of munson i no longer get
dont hate son because I know what the farg Im talking about. always have always will.
keep on trolling on
Quote from: Rome on December 03, 2011, 03:19:59 PM
I'm no huge fan of the guy or anything but Billick had Trent Dilfer as his quarterback and won the Super Bowl.
Give him Shady, Vick & Jackson and the rest and let's see what he could do with that group.
impossible rome
if youre labeled an offensive genius you should always be able to make gold out of dogshtein...always. igy told me that.
i've listened to billick enough since he became a commentator to know that he's a farging moron. seriously, half of what he says is just straight wrong. and farg you if you say that's not true because it is. keep him away from the team.
I'll only accept Billick if Sam Rosen is part of the package.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 03, 2011, 06:13:20 PM
I'll only accept Billick if Sam Rosen is part of the package.
There's a front office job waiting for him. Director of Pro Personnel?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 03, 2011, 06:07:48 PM
i've listened to billick enough since he became a commentator to know that he's a farging moron. seriously, half of what he says is just straight wrong. and farg you if you say that's not true because it is. keep him away from the team.
im confused...is he a genius or not?
Compared to the talking heads on :CF, hell yes he is.
The Eagles ain't winning shtein with Andy Reid, and they probably ain't winning shtein with whoever replaces Andy Reid either.
I just hope it's someone who significantly changes things up. After 13 years of losing the Reid way, I'm ready for something different. Just like I have no regrets about the switch from McNabb to Vick, even though they are both losers. Just make the new loser exciting, that's all I ask.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 03, 2011, 09:57:16 PM
Just like I have no regrets about the switch from McNabb to Vick, even though they are both losers. Just make the new loser exciting, that's all I ask.
this is an excellent point...and the reason so many people bit on vick being a good qb is because it wasnt mcnabb...i personally love vick but also know he isnt any good....but who cares as long as he isnt a bedwetter right?
no coffee = bad poster.
Sorry on the RDiddy farg up. haha
:=)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/04/to-save-his-job-reid-will-have-to-fire-castillo/
QuoteBut it won't be automatic. Per a league source, Reid's future will hinge on his willingness to admit that it was a mistake to shift Juan Castillo from offensive line coach to defensive coordinator. If Reid concedes that he erred, and rectifies the blunder by firing Castillo, Reid will stay. If he refuses, Reid will be gone.
It's an easy way for Reid to get out with a buyout, if he chooses to dig in his heels. And we've seen other head coaches refuse to fire assistants, setting the stage for a termination.
And so that's the ultimate question in Philly. If Castillo isn't fired by Reid, both will be fired by owner Jeffrey Lurie.
Of course, Reid can save some face by not completing firing Castillo. Instead, Reid can move Castillo back to the job of offensive line coach, and either keep Howard Mudd as a consultant or nudge Mudd back into retirement.
Only Florio could come up with something as ridiculous as that.
I don't believe its ridiculous.
Jimmy Johnson and Howie Long just said they believe he will be back but "with staff changes"
I don't care how he leaves just so long as he does.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2011, 12:35:34 PM
I don't believe its ridiculous.
Jimmy Johnson and Howie Long just said they believe he will be back but "with staff changes"
How would Florio know what Lurie is thinking? I doubt Lurie lets his inner most thoughts leak much less to a hack like Florio. Not to mention he probably will evaluate the team after the season, he's never been a knee jerk reaction type of owner...so saying this is what he's thinking is ridiculous. This is speculation on Florio's part.
Gary Myers wrote today that Reid could end up in San Diego
Quote from: SD on December 04, 2011, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2011, 12:35:34 PM
I don't believe its ridiculous.
Jimmy Johnson and Howie Long just said they believe he will be back but "with staff changes"
How would Florio know what Lurie is thinking? I doubt Lurie lets his inner most thoughts leak much less to a hack like Florio. Not to mention he probably will evaluate the team after the season, he's never been a knee jerk reaction type of owner...so saying this is what he's thinking is ridiculous. This is speculation on Florio's part.
exactly
florio is doing what he always does which is make shtein up...its not ridiculous to think andy will be back with a new dc...in fact thats what i think will happen...whats ridiculous is thinking reid has to admit he made a mistake to keep his job
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 04, 2011, 01:06:41 PM
Gary Myers wrote today that Reid could end up in San Diego
This move makes so much sense that it probably won't happen because of that reason.
Quote from: SD on December 04, 2011, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 04, 2011, 12:35:34 PM
I don't believe its ridiculous.
Jimmy Johnson and Howie Long just said they believe he will be back but "with staff changes"
How would Florio know what Lurie is thinking? I doubt Lurie lets his inner most thoughts leak much less to a hack like Florio. Not to mention he probably will evaluate the team after the season, he's never been a knee jerk reaction type of owner...so saying this is what he's thinking is ridiculous. This is speculation on Florio's part.
Florio said "per a league source," which doesn't necessarily mean anything, and even if there is a legit source it doesn't say whether it's that guys opinion or he has something concrete to base it on.
Either way it is no great stretch. Who thinks Reid would keep Castillo anyway? He fired McDermott last year who did a better job and wasn't such a stretch to be hired for the job in the first place. It's not like Castillo was a defensive guy that would just need a year to learn the ropes, he'd still need a few years on defense before he could be ready for DC in the best case scenario.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 04, 2011, 01:06:41 PM
Gary Myers wrote today that Reid could end up in San Diego
I sure fn hope so!
He could end up anywhere that might be looking for a new coach.
And probably win like 6 super bowls.
Hahaha, nevermind... He won't live that long.
Yeah Florio said per league source. And like him or not he's got a few league sources. Then you have Johnson and Long saying the same thing. And LaCanfora said it too.
As much as you want to dismiss this, Andy is staying.
there are no league sources when it comes to that stuff....theres no way banner inc has even made a decision yet and even if they had they wouldnt tell a soul
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2011, 02:40:13 PM
there are no league sources when it comes to that stuff....theres no way banner inc has even made a decision yet and even if they had they wouldnt tell a soul
Exactly.
The report might have a bit more credit if it were the end of the season and these were the things being discussed. There's no way the inner circles at the NCC are seriously discussing this now and even less of a chance this news leaked.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 04, 2011, 01:06:41 PM
Gary Myers wrote today that Reid could end up in San Diego
Good, closer to Sea World.
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/91/walrus.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/walrus.jpg/)
FF, drop some Oxy, stare at that shot for a few minutes and sweet dreams.
"League source" is not a "team source" or "Eagles source", but then again, maybe Florio is enough of a hack to not know how to use the terms correctly. If he is using the term correctly, it's hard to imagine what a "league source" would know about what is going on in the brains of Eagles execs.
reuben frank said in the off season that a "league source" is usually Joe Banner when he doesn't want to go on the record
Banner has all the power, and Reid hasn't been a good "company man" top to bottom. Could be a shot across the gut.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 05, 2011, 12:00:49 AM
it's hard to imagine what a "league source" would know about what is going on in the brains of Eagles execs.
exactly...no one knows...certainly not mike farging florio
Let the "but, but, its a two-year plan" lobbying shtein start...("Andy Reid pointed out that his current group is one of the youngest in the NFL and that being successful "takes time.")
Cant wait for nickles and boy blunder to chime in over the next few weeks....
So they went "all in" but have a 2 yr plan with their coaches. I love this team.
With yesterday Andy gets another year. Beat the cowpukes and Juan gets another year. Win out and hell, even Mike Mamula gets one more chance.
And Rotisserie Rosie is once again the pivot boy in another draft circle jerk.
(http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1680000862/image.jpg)
Holy shtein!!! Hahahahaaaaaaa!!!!!
lolololol
haha that's awesome
Printed, framed and hung
Why hasn't the internet exploded yet? Too much awesome.
Best p-chop I've seen in a while.
Wow
greatest moment in jew history
Watch his left DieHard
(clipboard hand)
Bestest CF photochop ever. Nice pixel and image resolution match.
That officially made my year! Not to late to make that our xmas card this year.
Holy shtein. :-D
EPIC :yay
the real question is, why did this take so long?
regardless of how great this picture is, tagging me in it on facebook, may have been a bit much...
Good thing no one monitors Facebook.
might have thought of that before you punched someone in public?
Thats the funniest shtein thats ever been on here. Gotta' give igy a thumbs up on that one. :yay
Who did the photochop? I know it wasn't Havas. Dook probably has trouble just transferring pics from his camera to computer. Photo modification def isn't one of his strong suits.
The original pic is decently well known (http://eaglespunch.ytmnd.com/) all over the Internet, with most people not knowing the identity of the puncher. This chop is so successful in both concept and execution, I feel there's no way it could come from anyone here at :CF.
Phil Sheridan:
QuoteAndy Reid's 13th season will end without a Super Bowl because of about 100 things that happened long before Eli Manning and Mark Sanchez got involved.
This is an important distinction to make now, because there will be a lot of people kidding themselves over the next few weeks. That is likely to include people with big offices down at the NovaCare Complex.
This is another wasted year because Reid made Juan Castillo his defensive coordinator, because the team committed itself to an inconsistent and injury-prone quarterback, because Reid and the front office squandered millions on the wrong players while refusing to lock up DeSean Jackson, because of the perennial failure to recognize and address the linebacker position, because of halfhearted play by key players in big games, because of an epidemic of turnovers and bonehead penalties.
This was the worst coaching job of Reid's tenure, by miles. Not only did his self-promoting team underachieve spectacularly, it did so in a year when the rest of the NFC East was pathetic.
Spadaro's response:
QuoteI read that article and thought it was the most misguided, angry, miserable article written by a columnist who writes the same crap each time he actually does some work. Miserable guy and a miserable perspective.
ha....love these reporter fights. Where's Bowen...
Is dave trying tosay rusty wrote the article?
No, it doesn't sound like he was refreshed at all.
Sheridans column was on point and of course spadaro cock slobber easy validates his banner aided response
Sheridan is a fleshpophead. Reid needs to go but there's no disputing Sheridan and the rest of the jackals who work at the city's papers have agendas when it comes to making sure that happens.
He's a columnist giving his opinion that the head coach sucks.
Some agenda
Yeah, I'm definitely going to argue journalistic integrity with someone covering armadillo races in south Texas.
It's not a matter of integrity, its homers catching hurt feelings over the end of the Reid era
If only it were the end.
Quote from: MDS on December 26, 2011, 07:13:10 PM
It's not a matter of integrity, its homers catching hurt feelings over the end of the Reid era
Sure it is. The 1,000 posts or so where I've vented my spleen over Reid in this forum alone definitely make me his biggest defender.
Stop taking the god damn bait.
No one wants to face the eagles now
No one
out of all the blinding glimpses of the obvious from the media rabble, most apt and damning is that the team has "settled" into a tier II status - occasionally good but still on the road to nowhere. Not even the rotisserie guys can avoid that elephant. So what does Christina tell Jeff his choices are?
a. Allow Reid to "resign", then boot most of his staff? Red meat for the fans, but one is then left with the dynamic juo in the FO. Even bloated on team revenue koolaid, he's gotta admit getting anyone but unknowns or the desperate to coach under Fagen and the artful dodger could be tough. (otoh maybe if Reid thinks the FO has gotten a tad stale/oppressive he might just leave for a better offer or a larger craft-services table)
b. give Reid more say by jettisoning howie and/or banner? Not likely, but weirder things have happened - 'specially if all it takes is Howie in the volcano.
c. punt - cosmetic changes in coaching staff sold as the "fix" and maybe less rope for Howie during draft days. Bring back most players of any note except jackson, asante, smith and young. draft undersized, fragile DE and obligatory draft day head-case, ignore linebackers and safety, pick QB in 5th round, trade kafka for two 7ths (one in 2013), win 9-11 games cause east doesn't get any better either, early playoff exit. rinse and repeat
"c" it is.
Sheridan is a douche. Spadaro is a shill. We're all idiots.
Joyous Kwanzaa.
sheridan coudnt have been more on point
and lol at homer easy calling spadaro a reporter
Where did I say Sheridan was wrong?
I just think it's funny when these "guys that write articles" (is that better, igs?) are quick to attack each other when they have to deal with them every week
where did i say you said sheridan was wrong?
and spadaro is essentially you....no more no less....calling him a reporter is one of the funniest things ive ever heard and shows the banner inc lolipop has a strong pull on you
To be fair to easy he loves spads as a person
Blinded by love
thats fine....but it shouldnt cloud your judgement....for instance i love romey even tho he could have the worst most inaccurate opinions on almost everything there is to talk about in life
I love all of you unconditionally.
i love moderator 5
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2011, 02:28:10 PM
thats fine....but it shouldnt cloud your judgement....for instance i love romey even tho he could have the worst most inaccurate opinions on almost everything there is to talk about in life
Considering we routinely agree on most things I'd say you have some soul searching to do there, Igster.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on November 21, 2011, 09:47:45 AM
So: win over the Giants + team rallies around Andy + finishes 8-8 or 7-9 = at least two more years of Reid football.
Sigh.
I'm not right very often, but I hate being right about this. Ugh...
i started to almost sympathize with andy because of what appeared to be sincere contrition....until the end where he became a stubborn dick again...
Quote
Andy Reid said that he "goofed" when he didn't have the proper personnel in the middle of his defense to contend with the Eagles' new wide-nine scheme up front last season.
The Eagles defense was torched early last year on the ground when a group of young linebackers and safeties -- led by first-year defensive coordinator Juan Castillo -- had difficulty adjusting to a scheme that spread out the defensive ends and had the defensive tackles focused on the pass rush. The Eagles opened the season 1-4 and never recovered from the slow start.
"We had young guys there, and so I knew that going in," Reid said Wednesday at the start of an hour-long interview at the NFL owners meetings. "The plan that I had I didn't execute it very well. Right? Thaty's my responsibility. I goofed on that one, right? I expected the young guys on defense to get where they're getting by the end of the season sooner, particularly the middle of the defense -- linebackers and safeties.
"I expected the offense to carry it through. So that part didn't take place. But to tell you, yeah, your linebackers -- the more gaps you open up, the more physical they have to be. That's how it is."
Reid has often been criticized for what some have called his devaluing of the linebacker and safety positions. He was asked if it was a blindspot that contributed to not having the right players in place at the start of last season.
"Well, we ended up being OK," Reid said. "Now we mixed and matched and did that whole deal. So it ended up working out OK at the end."
Viva mediocrity!
It worked out ok in the end? Did I miss the part where the Eagles won the SB last year because I could have sworn it was the Giants.
after years of winning regular season titles, they won the offseason title, which actually is more prestigious.
That is exactly why this fat farg can't connect with his fanbase. There wasn't one Eagle fan who gives a shtein about this team that thinks things "worked out OK in the end".
The fanbase is farging starving for a Super Bowl win and he's ok with 8-8.
for get the meaningless wins by the team...it doesnt even make sense from a player performance standpoint...if by the end of the year he thought all his misaktes erased themselves and worked out then why did they feel the need to trade for meeko
Its what he has to say and thats his personality he always covers for his players.
I don't doubt his wanting to win....What I doubt more than anything is his gameday coaching ability.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2012, 04:11:46 PM
for get the meaningless wins by the team...it doesnt even make sense from a player performance standpoint...if by the end of the year he thought all his misaktes erased themselves and worked out then why did they feel the need to trade for meeko
Tequila?
for get!
Quote from: Rome on March 28, 2012, 04:55:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2012, 04:11:46 PM
for get the meaningless wins by the team...it doesnt even make sense from a player performance standpoint...if by the end of the year he thought all his misaktes erased themselves and worked out then why did they feel the need to trade for meeko
Tequila?
teeidiot
Fire Andy Reid.
The one thing he had was the "after the bye" thing. Well... So much for that.
Nice PC. He tried his "embarrassment" and "gotta do a better job" shtein again and the media jumped on him. "You already used that 'embarrassment' line two weeks ago", "Why aren't the players listening to you anymore?", "You challenged them and they didn't respond. Have you lost this team?", "Is it time for a new voice?" and "Did you regret firing Juan?". He ended it after about 10 questions...
Resignation coming soon. I have a good feeling about it this time.
im disappointed you didnt follow that with a marty "taking the wind" joke
you are corny embrace yourself aussie
Marty jokes are so 2008. This year is all about dead kids. Catch up.
if only britt could have taken his fat father out with him
Cholesterol, his only real son, will eventually do it.
this game to me was nothing less than ray rhodes 38-0 seattle....really no difference...how farging comatose is this team....so much for putting out for your coaches dead son
nnamdi needs to get the farg out of town....he is the slowest cb ive ever seen...hes also not a philly guy....his care factor is negative...words cant describe how much i hate him
broken record time but the same for jason babin....what a complete joke of not just a football player but a human being
the most infuriating part of this game was how atlanta would call an oh by the way run up the middle just to say yeah we might run......full well knowing they could get a first down by air without even trying
three steps and fire to an open guy.....MONEY
DEAD - michael vick.....he is a pathetic piece of shtein....the worst qb in the nfl.....watching matt ryan expose the difference btwn him and vick is bigger than any ocean on the planet was the hardest part of this game....god he sucks....i want the worst qb in the league who has promise over this joke of a player....
you know who else sucks....brandon boykin....hes a catastrophe on kick returns....so soft
the lack of downfield plays was staggering...every farging throw is a sidearm sling to celek over the middle or a 8 yard sideline hook.....even the worst o line/qb combo can go downfiled a couple time no?
two weeks off....fire your d coordinator and start the game with a 1000 play 9 minutes drive for a touchdown....when they scored there that was when you blow up the franchise and start over...speaking of d coordinator.....lolololol at todd bowles sideline look....he makes juany look mensa...dook was scared as farg...
NO punts until the 4th quarter??....for real
above all else tho what sums up the current state of this franchise more than anything was nate allens effort on the jaq rodgers 40 yard run
DIE
EVERYONE
Quote from: MDS on October 28, 2012, 04:45:34 PM
if only britt could have taken his fat father out with him
He's the living one!
If you can call that living.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 28, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
this game to me was nothing less than ray rhodes 38-0 seattle....really no difference...how farging comatose is this team....so much for putting out for your coaches dead son
nnamdi needs to get the farg out of town....he is the slowest cb ive ever seen...hes also not a philly guy....his care factor is negative...words cant describe how much i hate him
broken record time but the same for jason babin....what a complete joke of not just a football player but a human being
the most infuriating part of this game was how atlanta would call an oh by the way run up the middle just to say yeah we might run......full well knowing they could get a first down by air without even trying
three steps and fire to an open guy.....MONEY
DEAD - michael vick.....he is a pathetic piece of shtein....the worst qb in the nfl.....watching matt ryan expose the difference btwn him and vick is bigger than any ocean on the planet was the hardest part of this game....god he sucks....i want the worst qb in the league who has promise over this joke of a player....
you know who else sucks....brandon boykin....hes a catastrophe on kick returns....so soft
the lack of downfield plays was staggering...every farging throw is a sidearm sling to celek over the middle or a 8 yard sideline hook.....even the worst o line/qb combo can go downfiled a couple time no?
two weeks off....fire your d coordinator and start the game with a 1000 play 9 minutes drive for a touchdown....when they scored there that was when you blow up the franchise and start over...speaking of d coordinator.....lolololol at todd bowles sideline look....he makes juany look mensa...dook was scared as farg...
NO punts until the 4th quarter??....for real
above all else tho what sums up the current state of this franchise more than anything was nate allens effort on the jaq rodgers 40 yard run
DIE
EVERYONE
So... Super Bowl?
NO
NFCCG loss, at least.
I chalked this season up as a loss so this isn't surprising to me. The good news is this is undoubtedly Reid and Vick's final seasons. Good riddance. I have no idea why he wouldn't put Foles in at this point. Vick is worthless and the mobility factor is nill at this point so what's the use in playing him?
The entire D has no heart. Post games shows were saying there's a lack of leadership, didn't we hear all offseason how great of a leader Demeco Ryans is? The guys play on the field is fine, he's not all pro but he's adequate, but there's zero leadership on D and there are plenty of should be leaders like Cole, Jenkins, Ryans etc.
whether we ran errands or were at the game we all agree the clock is finally ticking on andy.....hes done in january right??
If he's not the fans are. They've put up with enough supporting this team. If Andy is the coach next season then Lurie is the one who needs to go. In fact, I'm ready for a new owner. Lurie is just as stubborn as Reid is with his insistence on sticking by him and his anti-Kelly Green uniform stance.
You can never discount the possibility of a Reid team making a run. I won't believe he's done until the team is mathematically guaranteed a losing season.
Christina wouldn't put up with this shtein if she were calling the shots.
Quote from: SD on October 29, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
If he's not the fans are. They've put up with enough supporting this team. If Andy is the coach next season then Lurie is the one who needs to go. In fact, I'm ready for a new owner. Lurie is just as stubborn as Reid is with his insistence on sticking by him and his anti-Kelly Green uniform stance.
ive always been a lurie fan....and still am.....but now with banner gone he doesnt have a fall guy anymore....still ill give him five more years to make changes and prove to me he knows what hes doing
Can your liver handle five more years of Andy?
you clearly havent seen my liver or else you would not ask that of it
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2012, 12:37:02 AM
whether we ran errands or were at the game we all agree the clock is finally ticking on andy.....hes done in january right??
That's the ONLY thought that keeps me from destroying my living room every Sunday...
need something new right?.....jesus effin christ im so tired of this shtein
I'm so done with them. Today's game didn't even register enough to piss me off.
I'm so apathetic towards them right now due to Reid and Vick, I scare myself. Never felt so detatched from them... I literally don't have any more anger for them while Andy and Vick are here.
The Mrs. walked by and saw the score on the TV (30-10) and was shocked because she didn't "hear me" at all. She expected a bunch of yelling, groaning and hurling shtein into my couch. I've got good friends who refuse to watch Eagles games with me because of how loud and animated I usually get.
Not now. Nothing.
you are a better man than me.....my mrs refused to talk to me btwn the opening drive and the 5th inning of the ws game
i seriously wish i could detach like that....im honestly jealous....
I've got something that will help you understand. (http://www.nbccongress.org/health_wellness/helping-battered-woman.asp)
It literally comes from getting angrier than I ever thought possible... and this is coming from someone with an incredible temper. Only so many times you can cut my heart out before I stop leaving my chest wide open. This farger's been gutting me for the last 14 years... can't open up to him anymore.
I NEED some change on this team... something to hang my hat on. I'm jealous as farg of Skins fans right now because here they are losing games like they always do, and couldn't give two shteins because they know they've got Bob's whole career in front of them. I want a fresh QB/HC to give me something to look forward to. This shtein right now is just embarrassing.
Hey now, we've got McCoy and his 19 carries a game to look foward to for, like, five more years!
Quote"The difference between these teams?" Samuel said. "I think it's the coaching. We got really good coaching, we run the ball."
Hilarious. I am starting to like Samuel more. now. I like how he has been talking shtein all week.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/28/samuel-says-reid-snubbed-him-after-the-game/#comments (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/28/samuel-says-reid-snubbed-him-after-the-game/#comments)
farg that little bitch. I hope he gets Stingley'd.
I dont get why people are so salty towards Asante. He got his ass booed during the cointoss yesterday, now people are butthurt that he said coaching is the difference between these teams? Shouldn't this make us all love him again? I'd take him over the guy who us wearing that #24 jersey in a split second.
Oh, and I also want to know where this "the Eagles lost their first game after a bye week in the Andy era" bullshtein came from. I'm pretty sure they had a bye week before XXXIX, and that game was a bit more important than a game in the middle of October...a game that was poorly coached, even gameplanned worse, and one that - oh right, they lost.
farg you Andy, it's been real.
The end is near and how glorious it will be...
Quote from: DH on October 29, 2012, 09:30:07 AM
I dont get why people are so salty towards Asante. He got his ass booed during the cointoss yesterday, now people are butthurt that he said coaching is the difference between these teams? Shouldn't this make us all love him again? I'd take him over the guy who us wearing that #24 jersey in a split second.
I was never a big Asante fan, but I'd take him back over 24 in a heartbeat.
id rather have colt anderson at corner than that loser assy
Michael Fabiano of NFL.com reporting that Foles will start against the Saints.
It's an easy defense for him to start against at least
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 29, 2012, 01:40:15 PM
Michael Fabiano of NFL.com reporting that Foles will start against the Saints.
BOOM!
back IN
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 29, 2012, 01:40:15 PM
Michael Fabiano of NFL.com reporting that Foles will start against the Saints.
If this is true then the season just went from total wash to mildly interesting.
I love that we'll see something new. I hate that Andy is throwing everyone under the bus in a desperate attempt to cling to his job. farg that.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 29, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
I hate that Andy is throwing everyone under the bus in a desperate attempt to cling to his job. farg that.
this just in: vick sucks
oh and he gave up yesterday with those appalling post game comments
true this is all andys doing from the start but lets not pretend mike is some sort of scapegoat....he is the main reason they blow
What is there to lose at this point? Is there a worse starting QB in the league? Maybe Sanchez and that's a stretch.
i wonder what this does to the locker room.....if anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2012, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 29, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
I hate that Andy is throwing everyone under the bus in a desperate attempt to cling to his job. farg that.
this just in: vick sucks
oh and he gave up yesterday with those appalling post game comments
true this is all andys doing from the start but lets not pretend mike is some sort of scapegoat....he is the main reason they blow
What did Vick say?
Quote from: SD on October 29, 2012, 01:48:51 PM
What is there to lose at this point? Is there a worse starting QB in the league? Maybe Sanchez and that's a stretch.
Blaine Gabbert should be selling peanuts in the stands at EverBank
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 29, 2012, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2012, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 29, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
I hate that Andy is throwing everyone under the bus in a desperate attempt to cling to his job. farg that.
this just in: vick sucks
oh and he gave up yesterday with those appalling post game comments
true this is all andys doing from the start but lets not pretend mike is some sort of scapegoat....he is the main reason they blow
What did Vick say?
He said, "I cant do it anymore because a lineman chased me down....I wish Nick Foles the best of luck"
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 29, 2012, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2012, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 29, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
I hate that Andy is throwing everyone under the bus in a desperate attempt to cling to his job. farg that.
this just in: vick sucks
oh and he gave up yesterday with those appalling post game comments
true this is all andys doing from the start but lets not pretend mike is some sort of scapegoat....he is the main reason they blow
What did Vick say?
"obviously andy is thinking about making a change....if thats the decision then i support it"
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2012, 01:53:24 PM
i wonder what this does to the locker room.....if anything
The defense will continue not caring. The offense might be mad that an amazing talent is taking the blame for Andy's ineptness while secretly glad that the turnover machine won't be holding them back. The punter and kicker are off to the side taking bets on how long until they start thinking about bringing back the half-assed Wildcat plays.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 29, 2012, 01:40:15 PM
Michael Fabiano of NFL.com reporting that Foles will start against the Saints.
https://twitter.com/Michael_Fabiano
Dook says Reid isn't ready to commit to a qb change
eskin is now saying itll happen
so thats that. have fun watching vick on monday
yeah Michael Fabiano is a fantasy football guy - not exactly a newsbreaker.
Anyways - I don't care. Lets see what Bobby Hoying has.
Speaking of Hoying, I might sport my Hoying jersey in N.O. Monday night. I'm 0-2 with that jersey...so, on second thought, maybe not.
0-2 is a huge sample
Quote from: hbionic on October 29, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Speaking of Hoying, I might sport my Hoying jersey in N.O. Monday night. I'm 0-2 with that jersey...so, on second thought, maybe not.
I'd like to see you in this:
(http://members.shaw.ca/demos/images/eagles.jpg)
Sure. I like blondes.
I meant the aviator shades silly.
Reid decided to stick with Vick. Beginning of the end.
Of course he did. Does anyone really believe Foles gives the team a better chance win than Vick? Even if Foles came in and had okay play for a rookie, similar to Weeden or Tannehill, this team would still suck and be losing games. Losses = Reid being fired. The only hope he could have is that Foles shows some type of potential and Reid could tie himself to the kid some way.
I'm all for seeing Foles start, but that is simply because I would rather watch someone - anyone - else play QB at this point.
The offensive line is probably 2nd worst in the league to Arizona.
Whoever is back there is farged no matter what.
The line is atrocious but Vick believing he can hold on to it all day is also part of the problem. As much as I'd like to see Reid choke on one or more of his innumerable chins, I'd like to see Foles get some first teams reps under the excellent QB coach.
As a whole, the Eagles offense should be light years better than AZs
Yeah I believed that theory of him holding the ball too long until after the first 3 games. Then from the 4th on he was dodging and weaving with the end result of him taking massive hits after the throw.
Regardless, Reid loves the consistent attempts at 10 plus yard throws mixed in with the long ball. Neither one of them are there due to timing issues and bailing out of the pocket.... not to mention Vick confidence and decision making is horrendous...so is there really a decent chance he would complete those long balls anyway?
If he cant beat or at least stay close to the worst defense in nfl history-- no doubt he's done after the game or start of the 4th q.
Vick has been increasingly inaccurate, and he is no longer a game-changing threat running with the ball (unless you include fumbling it to the other team as a "game-changing" play).
If Reid weren't playing for his job this season, he'd go with Foles. Vick may still give the best chance to win right now but no chance to compete long-term as is play is only deteriorating. Going against a crappy D like the Saints, even in New Orleans, would be a great way to see if Foles has some real game chops but give him some confidence also.
vick doesnt hold the ball to long he bails way to early....he cannot go thru progressions at all...its like a two count and then either bails out or throws it where he shouldnt....hes jusy a really bad qb.....period
between being coached up the last few years by andy/marty i thought there was the outside chance that he put it together this year and made a deep run....this is where the line comes in...with all the injuries and lack of talent there it took away any superbowl chances the team might have had....but dont be fooled....its not the reason vick sucks
vicks completion % from outside the pocket this year is 28%....its really over when he cant make any plays in those parts of the field
vick sucks. don't get me wrong. he's absolutely regressed horribly. but you try running reid's retarded chuck n duck bullshtein without any semblance of blocking in front of you. hell, dan marino couldn't get the ball out fast enough with these clowns "blocking" for him.
but sure, let's put nick foles in there. he'll do much better.
i think foles would do better but its not like im under the impression that hed automatically turn the season around....however at least thats a possibility and he represents change and something new to watch...and i love watching young players to see how the develop and if they will have what it takes....esepcially at the qb position....lets just get it started
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 31, 2012, 07:01:09 PM
i think foles would do better but its not like im under the impression that hed automatically turn the season around....however at least thats a possibility and he represents change and something new to watch...and i love watching young players to see how the develop and if they will have what it takes....esepcially at the qb position....lets just get it started
Agreed on all points. Wins/loss mean next to nothing since they're not making the Superbowl so might as well go with the young guy to see what he's got. Vick is gone after this season so what's the point in sticking with him.
The point is a rookie quarterback can be permanently damaged by getting beaten to a pulp because of horrid offensive line and a coach/play caller who refuses to acknowledge the run as a weapon, much less use it effectively.
1. Get rid of Reid.
2. Hire a real offensive coordinator.
3. Draft or otherwise acquire an offensive line that isn't full of holes.
4. Give them a full off-season and training camp with the rookie leading the offense.
That's the progression you want.
Foles is a big boy he's not going to get permanently damaged. Put him in, give him some quick read routes, and let him build from there.
I don't wanna.
its not 1987 anymore....rookies of all kinds start now...and thats from day one....some suck and become good players....some start off well and then suck and some are good from day one.....point is it happens all the time and no one gets ruined for life by it....either you can play or you cant and these days you find out sooner rather than later
Shut up.
It is clearly time to bring McNabb back.
As offensive coordinator.
QuoteAndy Reid just told reporters that Michael Vick will be the starting quarterback for the rest of the season and that he played one of his better games against the Falcons. You think this is the right move?
Jesus Christ, if that was one of his better games they really might not win another one all year.
He was better during the bye week.
The good thing is that whatever Reid says regarding the situation means dick. If Vick sucks it up for the next few weeks, we'll see Foles.
So assuming Reid is finally canned, what type of coach should replace him? I like the idea of talking to Chip Kelly, but I would really like to see a defensive minded coach get the nod.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000084807/article/chip-kelly-perry-fewell-among-those-in-line-for-nfl-coach-jobs (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000084807/article/chip-kelly-perry-fewell-among-those-in-line-for-nfl-coach-jobs)
Ray Horton
Honestly, I could care less. Just farging fire him.
Pretty much the popular consensus. At this point who cares, implode this thing as soon as humanly possible.
yeah i dont care whether its an offensive or defensive guy....just make it the right guy....but the key to a reid firing is that howie goes as well....they need real football people at the head of PP or it doesnt matter who the coach is
1. hire the best possible president of football operations you can find (not a president of salary cap operations)
2. revamp and fill out the player personel side of things with his people
3. hire coach
4. coach fills out his staff
5. pray
6. farg Dallas
I can't believe how far this organization has fallen. Howie is awful with no one in line to replace him. Andy and his entire staff is atrocious. We have no QB of the future and the crop that is coming out this year looks weak to me. Even as a fan, I am just going through the motions without any real expectation of success. I think with Lurie losing his wife and Reid losing his son, this organization is entering the Browns/Cards/Bills zone.
It's the 93ish to 2000 Eagles zone
Quote from: phillycrew on November 02, 2012, 08:41:36 AM
I can't believe how far this organization has fallen. Howie is awful with no one in line to replace him. Andy and his entire staff is atrocious. We have no QB of the future and the crop that is coming out this year looks weak to me. Even as a fan, I am just going through the motions without any real expectation of success. I think with Lurie losing his wife and Reid losing his son, this organization is entering the Browns/Cards/Bills zone.
I'm depressed to say that I agree with every word of this.
Quote from: phillycrew on November 02, 2012, 08:41:36 AM
I think with Lurie losing his wife and Reid losing his son, this organization is entering the Browns/Cards/Bills zone.
I think that Lurie is still a talented CEO, both for the Eagles and all of his other businesses that allowed him to get rich enough to buy the Eagles (I have no idea what they were, I just assume he was successful since he made so much money). The common thread that sucesful CEO's have is the ability to hire talented people and get out of their way.
Attrition and loyalty have taken their toll on the staff at the Linc, but I think that Lurie will clean some house, fire Andy and some other execs, reload with management talent, and the Eagles will be successful again fairly soon.
Quote from: methdeez on November 02, 2012, 03:32:13 PM
Quote from: phillycrew on November 02, 2012, 08:41:36 AM
I think with Lurie losing his wife and Reid losing his son, this organization is entering the Browns/Cards/Bills zone.
I think that Lurie is still a talented CEO, both for the Eagles and all of his other businesses that allowed him to get rich enough to buy the Eagles (I have no idea what they were, I just assume he was successful since he made so much money). The common thread that sucesful CEO's have is the ability to hire talented people and get out of their way.
Attrition and loyalty have taken their toll on the staff at the Linc, but I think that Lurie will clean some house, fire Andy and some other execs, reload with management talent, and the Eagles will be successful again fairly soon.
this pretty much sums up my feelings....its why the hire of a proper president of football operations is so important
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 02, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: methdeez on November 02, 2012, 03:32:13 PM
Quote from: phillycrew on November 02, 2012, 08:41:36 AM
I think with Lurie losing his wife and Reid losing his son, this organization is entering the Browns/Cards/Bills zone.
I think that Lurie is still a talented CEO, both for the Eagles and all of his other businesses that allowed him to get rich enough to buy the Eagles (I have no idea what they were, I just assume he was successful since he made so much money). The common thread that sucesful CEO's have is the ability to hire talented people and get out of their way.
Attrition and loyalty have taken their toll on the staff at the Linc, but I think that Lurie will clean some house, fire Andy and some other execs, reload with management talent, and the Eagles will be successful again fairly soon.
this pretty much sums up my feelings....its why the hire of a proper president of football operations is so important
I am also hoping the Lurie learned his lesson about keeping coaching and scouting separate with Andy.
jeffluriebatsignal;
nfl just voided sean paytons contract....he will be free agent after the season
FIRE ANDY REID
Andy isn't even the biggest problem (except in literal size), but he's got to go along with a long list of other bums.
LOL @ 13 points scored against the worst defense in the league
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 06, 2012, 06:13:57 AM
Andy isn't even the biggest problem (except in literal size), but he's got to go along with a long list of other bums.
LOL @ 13 points scored against the worst defense in the league
You mean besides the Eagles' defense, right?
I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but this team sucks.
What bothers me the most isn't just the losing, but how they lose. They're boring, unimaginative, lackadaisical and they generally look like they don't care at all. I'm glad I've been tied up with my kid's football games, because the 8 year olds are more compelling to watch on a consistent basis.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 06, 2012, 06:59:43 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 06, 2012, 06:13:57 AM
Andy isn't even the biggest problem (except in literal size), but he's got to go along with a long list of other bums.
LOL @ 13 points scored against the worst defense in the league
You mean besides the Eagles' defense, right?
Zing!
I thought last year was bad
Haha. This year is WAY worse from my perspective.
Without a doubt.
there aren't words to describe how bad this offensive line is...it may be the worst in history.
knowing that, the fact that they still call 5-7 step drops and don't max protect is farging outrageous.
They had seven farging guys blitzing on one play last nite and somehow Vick never saw it and audibled out. I agree about the line, obviously, but having a QB that can't recognize that is a big problem.
Whatever. Blow it sky high.
Apathy has set in.
They have robbed me (and everyone else) of our football season. They simply don't give a shtein. I want this entire organization blown up.
Thank baby Jesus for fantasy football.
You mean Gary Johnson?
I'm one of the few people NOT guilty of deifying a political candidate.
Had I not voted for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson might have gotten my vote. But she is just way more correct than him, so tough luck, Gary.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 06, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
Had I not voted for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson might have gotten my vote. But she is just way more correct than him, so tough luck, Gary.
VOTE ANDY
Fire Andy.
Vote Freddie.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2012, 10:45:22 AM
Apathy has set in.
They have robbed me (and everyone else) of our football season. They simply don't give a shtein. I want this entire organization blown up.
This is just football. Getting robbed is when you go to the ATM and learn two of three credit cards (including corporate card) are gone. I want to blow up New Orleans....by playing more Paigow.
Pickpocketed in NOLA?
My buddy was picked there too. I was picked in South America several years ago - awful feeling to say the least.
The Eagles will be 5-5 after the next two weeks and the fools good will settle in again for a bit
Wasn't Havas mugged or something during the last trip down there?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2012, 07:56:16 AM
Pickpocketed in NOLA?
My buddy was picked there too. I was picked in South America several years ago - awful feeling to say the least.
The Eagles will be 5-5 after the next two weeks and the fools good will settle in again for a bit
I got pickpocketed at Oasis, opening your wallet to notice you have nothing left sucks.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2012, 08:24:25 AM
Wasn't Havas mugged or something during the last trip down there?
i pick pocketed myself because the nose of a revolver was tickling my bellybutton
Hoyda...
:-D
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20121111_Who_will_replace_Eagles__Andy_Reid__Let_speculation_begin.html
I have resisted the notion of Gruden in years past because I thought him to be very overrated. Once the Dungy core dried up Gruden did nothing. He favors veteran guys rather than youngsters - at least that how it was in OAK and TB. Has that philosophy changed? I would be willing re-think Gruden.
Brian Billick - not too exciting...billed as an offensive guru in Minnesota his offenses in Baltimore never did shtein.
Tony Dungy - mildly interesting
Mike Holmgren - no
Sean Payton - no shot
Josh McDaniels - no farging way
Mike Nolan - no thanks
Todd Haley - no farging way
Eric Mangini - no farging way
Pat Shurmur - no
Steve Spagnuolo - maybe
Mike McCoy - maybe
Kyle Shanahan - no farging way
Cameron, Chudzinski, Dennison, Jay Gruden, Koetter - no
http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2012/11/11/coaching-buzz-reid-would-have-considerable-interest-in-chargers/
http://m.usatoday.com/article/sports/1697513
lolololol
DH tweeted this
He's our media darling!
That's awesome. Wish he would have put a plug in to bring back the Kelly Green. And no to Gruden but otherwise job well done. Pissed now that I have to miss this game.
lol thats great
dh finds a way to get himself some pub
http://www.tout.com/m/10k0gu?ref=tw508i4w (http://www.tout.com/m/10k0gu?ref=tw508i4w)
Looking at Reid today I'm starting to wonder if he'll survive the season - not his job, but literally survive. He just doesn't look well.
Quote from: Feva on November 11, 2012, 04:46:40 PM
http://www.tout.com/m/10k0gu?ref=tw508i4w (http://www.tout.com/m/10k0gu?ref=tw508i4w)
hahaha.
Who is that dude Gino in the video after DH? Not a C6 guy is he? Hope not, anyway.
never seen that gino guy..holy shtein what a day
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/12/eagles-fan-sign-man-told-to-take-down-andy-quit-sign-due-to-size/ (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/12/eagles-fan-sign-man-told-to-take-down-andy-quit-sign-due-to-size/)
DH I wish you would have bitch slapped that farging KPop Cowboy fan had you seen him. Go all Gundam Style on his ass.
And that Gino guy needed a swift kick in his gnads.
So I was thinking about the next Eagles HC. Of the two Lurie hires neither was a known name and both were surprise picks. For that reason I doubt we'll see Gruden/Cowher although I guess anything is possible.
Here's a name no one is talking about, would come from left field, and is a local guy
http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches/mike-pettine/c62845a5-1004-4a05-ac1a-49f0b7ea15b6
He's inexperienced but so was Reid, and is seen as an up and coming coach in this league. Add the local mystique into the fold and Lurie has his guy.
i think Lurie would want an offensive guy
Quote from: SunMo on November 16, 2012, 12:25:03 PM
i think Lurie would want an offensive guy
Why so? I think he'll hire the best man for the job. Rhodes was a defensive guy, he brought Gruden in and the Offense was fine.
The league is driven by offense, so it makes (business) sense to bring a HC in who is offense oriented. If you go with a defensive minded HC, and he brings in an excellent OC, you can plan on looking for a new OC in 3-5 years when he leaves for a HC gig. An offensive HC ensures offensive continuity for the duration of his tenure which likely leads to high(er) revenues.
Not saying this is the way Lurie would go, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he did.
having a defensive head coach and a good offense are not mutually exclusive....in fact one has nothing to do with the other...in fact id rather have a defensive head coach and a great offensive mind at coordinator...imo a defensive head coach lends more to having an overall tougher team and a defensive head coach can reign in an out of control offensive coordinator more than the other way around
in the end tho just get the right guy
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2012, 12:52:09 PM
in the end tho just get the right guy
Agreed...dont' really care if the guy is a offensive or defensive guy just that he's the right guy. I'm not advocating for Pettine but this is the out of left field sort of guy that Lurie would take a chance on.
Quote from: SD on November 16, 2012, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 16, 2012, 12:25:03 PM
i think Lurie would want an offensive guy
Why so? I think he'll hire the best man for the job. Rhodes was a defensive guy, he brought Gruden in and the Offense was fine.
i'm just getting that from reading and listening to a few people. Lurie thinks the league is an offensive league and he would prefer to find an offensive minded coach.
i'm good with getting the "next" big guy like they tried to do with rhodes and reid. i just have this feeling that if cowher and gruden come back it will be halfassed. give me the Falcons o-coordinator or the packers.
coaching is a 100% crapshoot anyway
none of this matters until they get their qb and a real president of football op's...put those two things in whatever order you want....but both are infintely more important than the next head coach
somewhere this week i heard of the possibility of Andy being president of the eagles and then hiring new people. i think i would be ok with that. the scariest thing to think about that now is howie picking their new coach.
Quote from: SunMo on November 16, 2012, 01:24:16 PM
somewhere this week i heard of the possibility of Andy being president of the eagles and then hiring new people. i think i would be ok with that. the scariest thing to think about that now is howie picking their new coach.
i had that fear last week but the more i thought about it the more i think he has as much chance as hitting on a coach as andy or any other real football guy does...i mean belichek sucked in cleveland and now is a genius...is mike mcarthy really any better a coach than say ron rivera...rex ryan makes two conference championship games and is now a total clown...shtein andy reid himself was ripped as a hire...i just dont think you ever know with coaches....i also think lurie will be much involved in the search getting input from lots of football guys not affiliated with the organization
i badly want howie out of there but much more so for the PP problems than that hes gonna pick the next coach
i fear it more (probably irrationally) because I see him as this guy who thinks he "broke in" to the football fraternity. he's a farging accountant and he somehow has a NFL personnel job. i just have this weird feeling that he'll try to hire someone like him, little experience, off the beaten path hire.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2012, 01:41:30 PM
i badly want howie out of there but much more so for the PP problems than that hes gonna pick the next coach
The next two or three coaches, probably.
Quote from: SunMo on November 16, 2012, 01:58:08 PM
i fear it more (probably irrationally) because I see him as this guy who thinks he "broke in" to the football fraternity. he's a farging accountant and he somehow has a NFL personnel job. i just have this weird feeling that he'll try to hire someone like him, little experience, off the beaten path hire.
i felt that way from the second he was hired...it easily was the worst move of the lurie era way worse than juan
i dont know what you mean by off the beaten path....a college coordinator?...a college HC who hasnt won much?...a good college coach who no one thought of?....chip kelly?...a lesser known pro coordinator?
i dont think its going to be anyone totally crazy as i think lurie will be the lead in the search
maybe this is naive wishful thinking but i think howie goes with andy and lurie hires a completely new regime
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2012, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 16, 2012, 01:58:08 PM
i fear it more (probably irrationally) because I see him as this guy who thinks he "broke in" to the football fraternity. he's a farging accountant and he somehow has a NFL personnel job. i just have this weird feeling that he'll try to hire someone like him, little experience, off the beaten path hire.
i felt that way from the second he was hired...it easily was the worst move of the lurie era way worse than juan
i dont know what you mean by off the beaten path....a college coordinator?...a college HC who hasnt won much?...a good college coach who no one thought of?....chip kelly?...a lesser known pro coordinator?
i dont think its going to be anyone totally crazy as i think lurie will be the lead in the search
maybe this is naive wishful thinking but i think howie goes with andy and lurie hires a completely new regime
I was fine with hating Howie and now you introduce some new hope that will undoubtedly lead to more disappointment. Thanks, jerk.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2012, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 16, 2012, 01:58:08 PM
i fear it more (probably irrationally) because I see him as this guy who thinks he "broke in" to the football fraternity. he's a farging accountant and he somehow has a NFL personnel job. i just have this weird feeling that he'll try to hire someone like him, little experience, off the beaten path hire.
i felt that way from the second he was hired...it easily was the worst move of the lurie era way worse than juan
i dont know what you mean by off the beaten path....a college coordinator?...a college HC who hasnt won much?...a good college coach who no one thought of?....chip kelly?...a lesser known pro coordinator?
i dont think its going to be anyone totally crazy as i think lurie will be the lead in the search
maybe this is naive wishful thinking but i think howie goes with andy and lurie hires a completely new regime
i mean, they hired an accountant to be their GM. i think he'll want to hire the farging stat guy from Lousiana Monroe as head coach because they guy has a new way of looking at things.
howie was 100% a banner hire/guy....still on luries watch and ultimately he deserves blame for it...but i dont think lurie himself does something like that when it comes to the coach
if he keeps howie around and lets howie influence him and that happens then just fold the franchise...and start over...but thats not even a slight worry for me
If Reid had beat the Patriots in the Superbowl or even made the superbowl vs. Pittsburgh...does Reid get a pass this season from the fans?
If they won it against the Steelers, he'd get more of a pass.
He'd still be on the hook for all those NFCCG losses. Carolina and Arizona especially.
Not from this fan. The Super Bowl against the Pats was literally eons ago and the Eagles barely even made the playoffs in 2008 (9-6-1; say whaaa? regular season football games can end in a tie?? weird) before they lost yet another NFCCG.
I've been thinking all season that Reid was in the final year of his contract. But apparently there's a big difference between his contract running "through 2013" and "to 2013." Sometimes when you want something so badly the mind will manipulate simple the actual meaning of simple words or phrases to suit your needs.
I'm still 99% certain he's gone at the end of the year. But now there's that 1% of doubt that has crept into my mind thinking that Lurie may give him a do over.
Didn't Lurie say at the beginning of the year that Reid is gone if he doesn't win? If Lurie is a man of his word, Reid is gone after this year.
Andy says he won't quit because it's a cop out and how can he ask his players not to quit if he quits?
1) They have already quit
2) You won't have to ask them not to quit, because you won't farging be there. Just do us all a favor you piece of shtein and quit
Quote from: shorebird on November 19, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Didn't Lurie say at the beginning of the year that Reid is gone if he doesn't win? If Lurie is a man of his word, Reid is gone after this year.
Yeah, he did. But I really don't know if he has it in him to fire Reid. Time will tell.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 19, 2012, 01:23:38 PM
Not from this fan. The Super Bowl against the Pats was literally eons ago and the Eagles barely even made the playoffs in 2008 (9-6-1; say whaaa? regular season football games can end in a tie?? weird) before they lost yet another NFCCG.
Hard to believe that was 8 years ago. One Super Bowl would have got him a pass, barely. He wins that last game at The Vet, destroys Oakland in the Super Bowl, pass for life.
reid's legacy in the city would be different long-term if they had won in '04. I think the fans would still probably want him gone at this point, but he would be remembered more fondly 10-20 years from now if they had won.
PG's writer buddy got upset when I referred to Reid as a buffoon on FB today. He said I sounded ignorant when I refer to the coach with the most wins in Eagles history that way. I suggested to him that Reid's had 14 years to get it right and failed miserably and that I don't know a single Eagles fan who doesn't want him gone at this point.
BUT HE HAS THE MOST WINS EVER!
Oh... no... way...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 19, 2012, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: shorebird on November 19, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Didn't Lurie say at the beginning of the year that Reid is gone if he doesn't win? If Lurie is a man of his word, Reid is gone after this year.
Yeah, he did. But I really don't know if he has it in him to fire Reid. Time will tell.
I think he will. He fired Banner, smacked his wife in the forehead with a divorce, and had the balls to say Reid would be gone if things don't improve, which pretty much no owner will do, and publicly said he told Reid he needed to be more fan/media friendly. Even if it ended up that Reid went 9-6 and missed the playoffs my guess is he is still history.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 19, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
reid's legacy in the city would be different long-term if they had won in '04. I think the fans would still probably want him gone at this point, but he would be remembered more fondly 10-20 years from now if they had won.
He would also be remembered more fondly if he wasn't so smug to fans/media.
Quote from: Rome on November 19, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
PG's writer buddy got upset when I referred to Reid as a buffoon on FB today. He said I sounded ignorant when I refer to the coach with the most wins in Eagles history that way. I suggested to him that Reid's had 14 years to get it right and failed miserably and that I don't know a single Eagles fan who doesn't want him gone at this point.
BUT HE HAS THE MOST WINS EVER!
Oh... no... way...
Man, I didn't realize it has been 14 years already. Wow.
Enjoy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z447qc4ZRRA&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z447qc4ZRRA&feature=player_embedded)
They nailed it in that video. Most Eagles fans do like like ugly inbred pieces of shtein. Case in point, look at the kid in the video. The true definition of insanity? Being an Eagles fan thinking that one day it is going to happen for us and that there will be redemption for all of the pain and suffering this team puts us through.
Fact is, that it will most likely never happen and this is as good as its going to get. We'll get to see unique talent that goes to waste, strong teams that catch bad breaks and never make it, all the while New York, Dallas, and Washington win championships around us.
...and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's a slow, painful death.
Cheers :yay
Quote from: Rome on November 19, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
PG's writer buddy got upset when I referred to Reid as a buffoon on FB today. He said I sounded ignorant when I refer to the coach with the most wins in Eagles history that way. I suggested to him that Reid's had 14 years to get it right and failed miserably and that I don't know a single Eagles fan who doesn't want him gone at this point.
BUT HE HAS THE MOST WINS EVER!
Oh... no... way...
I don't think he's a buffoon - he pretty much turned the team around and kept them relevant for a long time. Of course it sucks that he did not win a SB and some of his personnel decisions and coaching philosophies are maddening but in the big picture he was not a complete failure like some have him portrayed to be.
Is it time for him to go?
Yes.
I was and am an Andy fan and I hope he succeeds elsewhere but it is time for fresh blood.
Quote from: Rome on November 19, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
PG's writer buddy got upset when I referred to Reid as a buffoon on FB today. He said I sounded ignorant when I refer to the coach with the most wins in Eagles history that way. I suggested to him that Reid's had 14 years to get it right and failed miserably and that I don't know a single Eagles fan who doesn't want him gone at this point.
BUT HE HAS THE MOST WINS EVER!
Oh... no... way...
hes an insufferable suck up to all local teams and athletes...he shouldnt even be a "reporter"
I don't know how anyone can doubt it at this point... Reid is gone after the season. In fact at this point I'd be less surprised if Lurie fired him during the season than if Lurie kept him. It's gotten that intense.
If the Eagles run the table and get into the playoffs in a bullshtein way I guess he could survive, but c'mon. Lurie might not give a shtein what Eagles fans think (even though I'm pretty sure he does), but even the national media is largely against Reid now. The Eagles will be considered a joke if they roll into 2013 with the walrus coming off a 5-11 season, especially when the owner publicly said 8-8 wouldn't get it done.
The good times (which were really 2000-2004, the subsequent years were a faded team) are long over and don't matter at all. Thanks for the memories. Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry and then won three Super Bowls. Jerry is a nutjob but he got that call correct. Why isn't Dan Reeves coaching anywhere? Because he's over. It's not 1989. It's not 2002 either. Reid is over.
Lurie has to be prepping the dynamite (or thinking about selling it to someone else), only question is whether Roseman is caught in the blast. I hope so, the team needs new blood all around, new attitude, new approach.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 19, 2012, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: Rome on November 19, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
PG's writer buddy got upset when I referred to Reid as a buffoon on FB today. He said I sounded ignorant when I refer to the coach with the most wins in Eagles history that way. I suggested to him that Reid's had 14 years to get it right and failed miserably and that I don't know a single Eagles fan who doesn't want him gone at this point.
BUT HE HAS THE MOST WINS EVER!
Oh... no... way...
I don't think he's a buffoon - he pretty much turned the team around and kept them relevant for a long time. Of course it sucks that he did not win a SB and some of his personnel decisions and coaching philosophies are maddening but in the big picture he was not a complete failure like some have him portrayed to be.
Is it time for him to go?
Yes.
I was and am an Andy fan and I hope he succeeds elsewhere but it is time for fresh blood.
Agreed. I only hate his play calling and his anti-linebacker, anti-running philosophy. I do like his aggressiveness in the air. When we had TO and Westbrook, it worked beautifully. Bad drafts, and bad luck have finally caught up to get guy and I think everyone needs a breath of fresh air including himself. I will miss the guy for the change he's brought. Not only did he make the Eagles relevant again, he instilled an attitude of winning and the expectation of winning amongst fans. I think its even more bitter because for once winning was a reality that we just quite couldn't achieve.
He's going to be great in San Diego/K.C./Cleveland/Detroit/Oakland/Jets/Miami/Minnesota/Jacksonville/Buffalo
Good luck Andy.
His aggressiveness is really helpful in the playoffs when running the ball, controlling the clock, and keeping your goddamn defense off the field is imperative. Oh, and his bungling of timeouts and clock management and insistence on employing a ridiculously gimmicky defensive scheme, taking 10 years to get decent receivers, and 14 years (and counting) to get decent linebackers, never drafting adequate replacements for guys he's kicked to the curb... all of these and more should land him a bust in Canton.
BUFFOON.
And Reid will have a bust...in your mom's Canton.
Good one.
If the best coach in Eagles history is a buffoon I'd hate to see how Angry Romey classifies the other fellas who have walked the sideline in Eagles history.
I thought he was calling me a buffoon.
I take it back Romey, maybe Reid isn't going to bust in your mom's Canton afterall. It's a wait and see.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 19, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
If the best coach in Eagles history is a buffoon I'd hate to see how Angry Romey classifies the other fellas who have walked the sideline in Eagles history.
So because he isn't as colossally inept as Rich Kotite I'm not supposed to refer to him as a time management bungling buffoon? Further - am I supposed to be eternally grateful that he's been modestly successful in the regular season and early stages of the playoffs only to collapse when he managed to get to championship rounds?
Seriously?
Gimme a farging break. Dude's a loser who should have been sent packing five years ago. The end.
i wanted him gone before even the superbowl year...it took me about three years to see that the guy was an awful in game coach that would never win anything
but hes the best coach and mcnabb is the best qb so like it or not you have to love them
the end
Said it before and I'll say it again, I was on board for firing Reid after losing to Tampa on Opening Day in 03. It was bad enough that they closed out the Vet by losing to a team that they had dominated in a few previous regular season and playoff match ups, but for them to allow the Bucs to walk into the new stadium and own that place was the breaking point for me. It's not that they lost the game or because it was the first game in the Linc, it was simply the fact that Reid had like 5 months to prep for that game and they got bitch smacked. That was it for me.
Not only that, but the opener was the same exact game plan as the NFCCG, nothing even changed, especially offensively where they were so ineffective. I was at both games and that conference game was for me the single worst moment as a Philadelphia fan, and the Linc opener was just the shteinting on the cake.
I'm pretty sure there was a Na Brown sighting at the Linc opener if I remember correctly. Maybe Lurie's confidence was refreshed after that?
Hard not to agree there...those two games were betrayal. but there I was back hard at the teat during the TO run. then again at the cardinals nfcg. Then it always ends badly, not even competitively, but stunned slackjawed, wreckage of idiocy and ineptness all around. plus having to endure that guy hoyda back then, too.
maybe i shoulda have caught a clue after that 49er game where after bitch-slappin montana like a ragdoll for three quarters the eagles shtein the nest as joe torched them 4 tds ftw
why i farging care i dont know
It's in our blood. Some people turn into zombies, the rest turn into Eagles fans. You're farged either way.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Eagles_fire.html
FINALLY
jesus are they a mess
guess banner knew what he was doing when he shoved that women out of the way and jumped in the lifeboat
What does it say when jumping to the Cleveland Browns is an upgrade?
i love how they fire the pr hack who had to do the dirty work and explain how upping the noise to drown out the fire andy chants and the boos were just a way of improving the gameday experience. as if hes the bad guy in all this.
this is such a disgraceful organization from top to bottom and it starts and ends with lurie. hes the one who handed the keys over to that accountant pipsqueak jew and who left his worthless coach overstay his welcome by a good 7 years. farg him.
so aside from the titillation and schadenfreude of an in-season firing (which is not to be underestimated), it there business rationale for it?
while candidates wont (or cant) commit before season end, an early firing sends message - especially if accompanied by statements that subtly say what team is looking for and what the "conditions" of employment may be in terms of who's left in the inner circle? Might gain a few weeks in the process and be just a bit more prepared for off-season? Also keeps howie off-balance as now he can just safely scurry out of the way of the daily reid shellings?
Sure an in season firing might not make any coach feel good about how their eventual "end" might go, but if its really bad now, and tolerated, what does that say about management and desire to win at every game? Would anyone really think bad of lurie if he had fired Rhodes at 3 an 9?
OTOH maybe the team is just gonna wallow in mediocrity for a few seasons anyway so why bother?
when andy goes is pretty much irrelevant....as far as prospective coaches he is fired right now...people know the job is going to be open....firing andy on tuesday doesnt change that
what does have a real impact on the coaching search is howie farging roseman....i cant see a legit coach working for him...not suggesting any of these guys would come if howie wasnt here but can you see a bill cowher - tony dungee - john gruden or ANY other veteran even semi successful nfl head coach sitting down across a conference table and getting grilled by howie farging roseman...
yes lurie would obviously be there as well but if howie is still the gm you eliminate a significant section of the coaching pool before you even start looking
ill say it again..everybody gotta go and the first hire you make is a president of football ops....your own personal ron wolf....a guy who knows the game and can put together a top notch football organization
Question is, does Lurie want an unknown assistant who is likely to be so greatful for the opportunity to be a head coach that he won't buck the system or does he want a no none sense coach? If Roseman stays, I can almost guarantee that Lurie will hire a relative unknown...just like he did with Reid.
Rinse, cycle, repeat.
yep i guess thats the real rub. If Lurie postures that howies in, then the pool immediately shrinks as they press release themselves as the "smartest guys in the room". ugh.
Now if he gets jesus and wipes it clean then now were talkin. And I just don't see that outside a few players anything is salvageable - no scheme, no coordinators, or many assistants, many players all need to go. and howies got the 'taint of all that.
Plus wrapped up in all this uncertainty is the old rule of getting hired...you don't necessarily have to be the best candidate, you have to be the best candidate available and the good ones will vanish quickly leaving Einstein hair and boy blunder reaching (a la recent drafts) as they panic by late january after their hail mary waiting on someone in the payoffs turns them down.
Quote from: JackStraw on November 21, 2012, 06:07:19 PM
Plus wrapped up in all this uncertainty is the old rule of getting hired...you don't necessarily have to be the best candidate, you have to be the best candidate available and the good ones will vanish quickly leaving Einstein hair and boy blunder reaching (a la recent drafts) as they panic by late january after their hail mary waiting on someone in the payoffs turns them down.
yup....this is precisely why the etch a sketch needs to be shook hard....a total blank slate is enticing to even the biggest names because the ego always tells people like that that they can do it....come on jeffy....let them build it and they will come
If Roseman stays, the new guy is farged.
homer rome is creepin....watch what you say
Haha... Homer.
lol.......love you romey
What are you doing up at this ungodly hour?
I'm working so that's my excuse.
havent gone to bed yet
wow
i dont play around son
Did you lovers switch to sexting after this?
Skype chat.
While posting, most likely.
It's now considered news on philly.com that Andy Reid hasn't been fired yet.
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Ha. Brilliant.
There should be quotation marks around the word coach.
I know it's Eckel but can you imagine if this happened:
QuoteEckel: Andy Reid could be Dallas Cowboys' next head coach, source says
Published: Sunday, December 02, 2012, 3:00 AM Updated: Sunday, December 02, 2012, 3:01 AM
By Mark Eckel/The Times
When the Eagles play the Cowboys Sunday night in Arlington, Texas, will Andy Reid's eyes be as much on the home team as his team?
According to an extremely reliable source, who is close to Reid, the long-time Eagles head coach could be the head coach of the archrival Cowboys next year.
Of course, that is all based on Reid being fired by the Eagles, which is expected, and Jason Garrett being let go by the Cowboys, which isn't quite as sure, but certainly could happen if Dallas does not make the playoffs.
"I know a lot of people think Andy is going to San Diego next year, and I can see that happening," the source said. "But I keep hearing Dallas. I think he can end up with the Cowboys. As a matter of fact, I think he will end up with the Cowboys, if Jason is fired."
While there is some sentiment that Reid will take a year off from coaching, if he is fired by the Eagles, several people close to the coach said they will be surprised if he is not coaching next year.
"Andy's a coach; that's what he does," one said. "I don't see him going into the TV booth, although he probably could. I see him coaching somewhere else if he's not in Philly."
If Reid does get fired by the Eagles and hired by another team, it would follow the same path as the past two Eagles coaches, who were also terminated under Jeffrey Lurie's ownership. Rich Kotite was fired after the 1994 season and took over the Jets in 1995. Ray Rhodes was fired after the 1998 season and took over the Packers in 1999.
It didn't work out so well for either of them. Kotite didn't make it through two seasons with the Jets, and Rhodes lasted just one year in Green Bay.
San Diego, assuming Norv Turner is not back, has long been rumored as Reid's next stop after 14 years with the Eagles. Most of that has been based on the fact that he is a Southern California native and owns a home there.
If Reid is to coach again, he could have his choice of jobs, since up to nine teams may be looking for head coaches.
But if he could stay in the NFC East with a team he knows so well after playing them twice every year — three times in 2009, well, it would have to be tempting.
"I think Andy would be a good fit with the Cowboys," the source, who dropped the bombshell, said. "I feel he would get along fine with (Cowboys owner) Jerry (Jones). It would be the two of them working together, no middle man to get in the way."
Reid's first win as head coach of the Eagles in 1999 came against the Cowboys, 13-10, at old Veterans Stadium.
The following year, he beat the Cowboys, 41-14, on opening day in Dallas on the way to his first playoff season with the Eagles.
Reid actually won seven of his first eight games and 10 of his first 12 against the Cowboys. Since then he has gone 7-9, including a 38-23 loss at home earlier this season to give him a career record of 17-11 against Dallas.
Those 17 wins have come against five Cowboys head coaches: Chan Gailey (1-1), Dave Campo (6-0), Bill Parcells (5-3), Wade Phillips (3-6) and Garrett (2-1).
The win total also matches Reid's win total against his other two NFC East rivals. He is 17-13 against the Giants, including a win this season, and 17-10 against Washington, including a loss this season.
Reid's overall career record going into tonight's game is 139-98-1, which makes him the winningest head coach in Eagles history and the 22nd winningest head coach in NFL history.
Could he really be taking those wins to Dallas next year?
Andy Reid: Head coach of the Cowboys? It would shock some.
"What Andy Reid and his program stand for is the opposite of what the Cowboys stand for," former Eagles assistant and now Baltimore head coach John Harbaugh said a few years ago in the book Game Changers: The 50 Greatest Plays in Eagles History. "The Cowboys are a star system. It's all about building around individuals first and collecting talent, collecting great players. Andy has always been about building a team. And over the long haul, it's a team sport."
THE LIST
ECK'S TOP 5
1. HOUSTON (10-1)
2. ATLANTA (11-1)
3. SAN FRANCISCO (8-2-1)
4. DENVER (8-3)
5. CHICAGO (8-3)
ECK'S BOTTOM 5
28. CAROLINA (3-8)
29. OAKLAND (3-8)
30. EAGLES (3-8)
31. JACKSONVILLE (2-9)
32. KANSAS CITY (1-10)
THE PICKS
BEST BET (7-5)
Chicago -3½ over Seattle
UPSET SPECIAL (6-6)
Kansas City +3 over Carolina
THE REST (68-54-3)
Green Bay -8 over Minnesota
St. Louis +7½ over San Francisco
Jets -4½ over Arizona
Indianapolis +5 over Detroit
Buffalo -6 over Jacksonville
Miami +7½ over New England
Houston -6 over Tennessee
Denver -7 over Tampa Bay
Pittsburgh +8 over Baltimore
Oakland +2½ over Cleveland
San Diego +1½ over Cincinnati
Dallas -10 over Eagles
MONDAY NIGHT MONEY (5-6-1)
Giants -2½ over Washington
Contact Mark Eckel at meckel@njtimes.com
I really don't care where he ends up as long as it's outside of Philly.
Also, I couldn't help but laugh at this:
Quote"Andy's a coach; that's what he does," one said. "I don't see him going into the TV booth, although he probably could. I see him coaching somewhere else if he's not in Philly."
I'd love to know who actually thinks Reid could go on tv. He's never really looked comfortable in front of the camera, even after big wins. He just has a very introverted public personality. Could you imagine him as a color guy or analyst? Zzzzzzz
I can absolutely see him as an analyst. He deliberately doesn't speak to the writers in Philly because they're insufferable iceholes. But you can see there's a lot going on behind the moustache & specs, especially humor-wise. I think he'd be great, actually.
As for the Dallas rumor, consider the "source". The only thing Eckel hates more than vegetables is Reid.
yeah anyone thats ever met him says hes super personable and funny as hell...seem to have some dry wit
kinda like me
I'm sure he's got a great personality behind the scenes, but he just seems to be very introverted in public. Even on the sidelines, he's very stoic. And dry wit probably wouldn't work well in the booth either. I think it'd lose the audience. Maybe he'd be ok as an analyst on SportsCenter or something where he gets a 2 minute bit here and there and gets to break down a couple of plays, but I just don't see him calling a game for 3 straight hours.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2012, 09:59:41 AM
yeah anyone thats ever met him says hes super personable and funny as hell...seem to have some dry wit
kinda like me
Real life Havas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :CF IGY
if you really know me its one in the same baby
It would disgust me to see him in Dallas...and I could see him doing TV. Everyone says behind the scenes he's funny and very outgoing.
you do know eckel source was himself
Yeah probably.
I didn't even know he was still in the media - hadn't heard him yapping any hate lately
hes been battling cancer
hopefully cancer wins this one?
i might be eckels only fan
No shtein? I didn't know he was sick. Hopefully he's recovered.
Just in time to dance on Andy's coaching grave
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2012, 01:25:31 PM
No shtein? I didn't know he was sick. Hopefully he's recovered.
Just in time to dance on Andy's parenting grave
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20121204_John_Smallwood_.html
I always laugh at the fatalistic "cancel my subscription, no more games, no more apparel" folks. You ain't going anywhere.
That's how half you iceholes on this board are. "I'm done watching :'( "
Merry Christmas
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So is he gonna get booed on Sunday or what
Sal Pal on the Action News sports report;
Andy doesn't want to leave and Lurie doesn't want to fire him but all parties seem to recognize that a chane of scenery is needed. He said a press conference will likely be called on NY Eve and he will be dismissed. The Eagles will then target Chip Kelly and if they cannot land him their fallback is "a number of offensive coordinators".
if lurie is so brain dead that he doesnt want to fire andy then there is no hope
worthless franchise in a loser town owned by a megalomaniac kennedy liberal so out of touch with reality. kill me.
I don't know if I'd rather stick with Reid or go with Kelly. I'm leaning Kelly because he's something new but I'd rather go with a tough ground game and rebuild the D rather than go with some gimmicky offense. This reminds me of Spurrier's attempt to implement his college offense to the pro's. Kelly's offense revolves around the mobile QB, which the Eagles don't have unless they keep Vick which they're not going to do. Running style QBs don't win SBs either.
Decent break down of why Kelly's O would work and why it wouldn't in the NFL:http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8735671/what-chip-kelly-spread-offense-need-succeed-nfl-college-football
i think an accurate qb is much more important in a spread than a mobile one....new england is the perfect example...if you are gonna wing the ball all over the field all the time you better be able to put the ball where it needs to be and do it at a high level
chip kelly = rick pitino.
system that works in college but not in the pros....DO NOT WANT
im not defending him....i have no idea if he will be successful in the pros...but he will change/tweak his system when he comes to the nfl...it wont/cant be what oregon runs and he knows this....it will be a spread offense more along the lines of green bay where the pocket is moved or imagine new england with a qb that throws from outside the pocket and extends plays
its not going to be oregon where the qb runs a lot as a first option
As if we didn't know; Eskin and Reuben Frank reporting that Andy was told Friday that he is being fired.
Thanks for a helluva ride, Andy.
People who dance on his grave are idiots. Its time to go in another direction, yes. But if you're ding dongin' the witch is dead type shtein you're mentally retarded.
he won a ton of games and had a bunch of good years...mostly against a terrible nfc and even worse nfc east
in game decision making was never good. refused to get good offensive players in early 2000s when they had a great line, great d and non mental midget qb. didnt do it.
bottom line are rings and he didnt get one. thats his legacy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2012, 05:01:55 PM
People who dance on his grave are idiots.
hes a terrible coach....but he deserves a small window of time where we bow our heads and thank him for what he did....however settle down with your homer love and dont do a repeat of the bed wetter
andy needs to die in a fire....dont get confused
lol
Reid and Donovan both deserve respect until the end.
I said this about Donovan when he left and you and people of your Donovan hating ilk that it would be tough to replace him and he was the franchises best QB - and I was right.
http://www.csnphilly.com/02/14/13/Sources-Reid-is-fired-as-Eagles-head-coa/mobile_landing.html?blockID=813947&feedID=704
its hard to find a franchise quarterback in the NFL? who knew
they probably would have had a worse record over the past 3 years if they kept him on the team
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2012, 05:14:39 PM
lol
Reid and Donovan both deserve respect until the end.
I said this about Donovan when he left and you and people of your Donovan hating ilk that it would be tough to replace him and he was the franchises best QB - and I was right.
they could replace him my cork and get the same result
something not capable of winning a super bowl
Quote from: SunMo on December 30, 2012, 05:22:50 PM
its hard to find a franchise quarterback in the NFL? who knew
they probably would have had a worse record over the past 3 years if they kept him on the team
No shot. You been sleepin' in Havas' hyperbolic chamber?
sheil now reporting it....i just cracked a genny ice in memory of andy....you happy j?
Indeed...
I am interested to hear Lurie's PC tomorrow
nm
we are to close to this team to feel the impact and truly appreciate what is happening....but andy reid leaving is a big farging deal in philly sports history....
it should have happened 6 years ago
yes....but that adds to the impact of what is currently happening
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2012, 05:31:21 PM
we are to close to this team to feel the impact and truly appreciate what is happening....but andy reid leaving is a big farging deal in philly sports history....
I truly appreciate Reid leaving.
Who's this Lurie cat you all speak of?
Schefter reporting that the Chargers aren't interested in Reid.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 30, 2012, 09:31:26 PM
Schefter reporting that the Chargers aren't interested in Reid.
he did this during gameday
i still dont believe it
Neither do I.
Rivers and Reid would be a nice duo.
Btw - Rob Maadi of the AP said Reid could stay on here as some type of consultant for a year
It'll be a very confusing Draft when the Chargers and Eagles announce they've resigned their own fired coaches and swapped first round picks.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/185122331.html
QuoteThe Eagles are sure to interview a number of candidates who aren't LaMonte clients. Chip Kelly, who is represented by Dunn, was once believed to be atop the team's list. He may still be, but on Thursday there was a report from Sports Illustrated that Kelly wanted near complete control over personnel and that that would rule him out of Philadelphia, with Roseman expected to run the show here.
Whether that was posturing or not, the Oregon coach and the Eagles are no longer considered a likely match, NFL sources confirmed.
puke
Eskin says Koetter will be the first to interview during the bye week
He also claims Lurie's list of names includes Chip, BOB, Roman, Arians and Josh McDaniels as a longshot
Andy texted Sikahema and said he hasn't been let go and will talk with Jeff tomorrow.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2012, 11:44:50 PM
Andy texted Sikahema and said he hasn't been let go and will talk with Jeff tomorrow.
how bad do you want andy back
lol just passing along what I read.
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glory days
answer the ?
If you think Reid, Trotter, and 5 should reunite for one last Super Bowl run, don't be afraid to say so.
lets get the band back together
someone call tim hauck
Quote from: MDS on December 30, 2012, 11:49:13 PM
glory days
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I'll pour one out for Andy because it's been a hell of a run, but I get a little bit giddy thinking about Marty and Bobby April looking for new jobs tomorrow.
And if Jeff says "you keep your job if you fire Marty, April and Bowles"?
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 30, 2012, 11:56:04 PM
I'll pour one out for Andy because it's been a hell of a run, but I get a little bit giddy thinking about Marty and Bobby April looking for new jobs tomorrow.
bobby april is repulsive
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2012, 11:57:37 PM
And if Jeff says "you keep your job if you fire Marty, April and Bowles"?
"Hey Andy, what a rough year. Sorry about the dead kid and all. Anyway, fire some more of your friends and maybe I'll let you keep your job." <evil cackle> And then Lurie rips off his mask to reveal the vampiric visage of Jerry Jones.
Buffalo is the dark horse, I think, as a place for him to end up and be HC and GM.
Maybe Andy should take that year off and do an afternoon talk show with Tony Dungy about parenting.
That's the 32nd most attractive head coaching gig in the NFL. You go to Buffalo if you want a couple years to try out for a better franchise. I think he goes there only if it's the only offer he gets.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2012, 12:39:56 AM
That's the 32nd most attractive head coaching gig in the NFL. You go to Buffalo if you want a couple years to try out for a better franchise. I think he goes there only if it's the only offer he gets.
If that's the only offer he gets, he'll take a TV job looking awkward in a suit for some pregame show.
if he doesnt go to sd then he will be the coach of the new la franchise in 2014
long shot is him taking over for garrett in dallas next year
That would be awful if he won in Dallas.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2012, 12:42:43 AM
long shot is him taking over for garrett in dallas next year
I think Garrett stays. But if Jerry gets drunk enough for New Years, I could see him hatching this plot. It's so evil that he'd have to at least try.
if leslie frazier is a free agent who gets more calls this offseason him or andy
Frazier is a shtein head coach who hasn't proved anything.
Reid at least has shown the capability to get there.
Andy by a mustache.
andy got nowhere like ten years ago
leslie got nowhere this year
I just base it on my buddy's info. He's a vikings fan. He's heard enough of the reid complaints from me for years. I hear rumblings of the same.
im not a leslie fan....i was just throwin out a make you think about it hypothetical...sports talk
Sports talk? That's a good one.
i should know better
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2012, 12:51:27 AM
if leslie frazier is a free agent who gets more calls this offseason him or andy
Real calls or quota calls?
rooney calls
whatever team andy goes to automatically becomes easys most hated team
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagles-Announce-End-Of-Reids-Tenure/02b4c730-d341-4dd5-aa03-fecd9728c4ba
Done.
Lurie talking on PE.com in a couple minutes (11AM).
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2012, 10:58:53 AM
Lurie talking on PE.com in a couple minutes (11AM).
is this in addition to the 12 oclock presser?....and if so why?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2012, 10:58:53 AM
Lurie talking on PE.com in a couple minutes (11AM).
is this in addition to the 12 oclock presser?....and if so why?
Postponed until 1
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2012, 10:58:53 AM
Lurie talking on PE.com in a couple minutes (11AM).
is this in addition to the 12 oclock presser?....and if so why?
I have pe.com up right now and it's Spadaro taking a memory stroll down Reid Boulevard
Now it's 1:00
PE showing Lurie and Reid sharing a teary moment this morning
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2012, 10:58:53 AM
Lurie talking on PE.com in a couple minutes (11AM).
is this in addition to the 12 oclock presser?....and if so why?
They had tape of Lurie and Andy together addressing the employees of the team. Really upbeat but they talked about the firing. Reid says he hopes the team wins a Super Bowl in the near future.
Quote from: SD on December 31, 2012, 11:04:00 AMI have pe.com up right now and it's Spadaro taking a memory stroll down Reid Boulevard
If we made terrorists watch this during interrogation, I'd be picketing the White House for doing torture.
14 years and Lurie gives him a farging football for his troubles.
STAY CLASSY, JEFFY!
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2012, 11:17:03 AM
14 years and Lurie gives him a farging football for his troubles.
STAY CLASSY, JEFFY!
"I'd just like to give Andy this football... by the way, tomorrow Howie will be announcing that we don't plan on paying you for the last year of that contract."
Sucks Reid won't be at the presser....I wanted to see him cry.
Like Dio said, make him watch that Lurie suckfest.
Maybe I'm late to the party, but it just dawned on me that at 4-12, the Eagles are exactly 1 game better than the team he inherited 14 years ago.
Sure, but without all that pottymouth language Rhodes used. That's a major improvement right there.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 31, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
Maybe I'm late to the party, but it just dawned on me that at 4-12, the Eagles are exactly 1 game better than the team he inherited 14 years ago.
they are also exactly one game worse than his first season as coach
/spooky music
Quote from: Diomedes on December 31, 2012, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 31, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
Maybe I'm late to the party, but it just dawned on me that at 4-12, the Eagles are exactly 1 game better than the team he inherited 14 years ago.
Yup. So basically, he made no actual progress in 14 years.
they are also exactly one game worse than his first season as coach
/spooky music
pe.com took andys name off its coaching page, but kept the rest..oh no!
Quote from: DH on December 31, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
pe.com took andys name off its coaching page, but kept the rest..oh no!
Here's the real oh no:
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Wow. Lurie just implicitly attacked a lot of people in the presser (and explicitly attacked Vick). Heads gonna roll.
Lurie says Howie wasn't completely responsible for the drafts the past couple years, the first one he had complete control of was 2012, seems like he's pretty sure he wants to keep Roseman around.
Oh, I feel so much better.
Supposedly a team source confirmed that earlier. Wow at throwing Andy or Banner under the bus for the fireman and Jarrett
Now he says the new head coach will report directly to him, not Howie....hmmmmmmmmm
Lurie just throwing out any bullshtein he can think up to say coaches will want to come here.
Holy shtein at this public campaign to Chip
I wish I could believe him regarding Howie. Are we to believe Banner was the man behind the curtain screwing the team up? Weren't we told that Howie ran the 2009 draft when they were pimping him as the new GM? What a farging mess this organization is.
I too want a coach to find the best inefficiencies. What?
Supposedly Banner had the final say on all personnel decisions, and hey, Andy's the greatest person alive according to the first 10 minutes of this PC, so....
Everyone's great, and nobody did anything wrong. Damn those players, not playing well!
Eh, Lurie's not gonna call people out by name in a PC. Between the lines he's clearly blaming Andy and Banner for the way things have gone, and he thinks there are/were some locker room cancers those guys allowed onto the team and coaching staff. Not sure if we should believe that or his exoneration of Howie, but that's his current story.
That entire fiasco was nauseating.
If you want nauseating, now they have Howie on.
I caught him mentioning Scott Young and Mike Vick's fargups in the playoffs
Roob said something like (this was as Lurie was walking off) "you're still haunted by Scott Young?" and Lurie was like "ugh Scott Young" and shook his head
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2012, 01:45:15 PM
If you want nauseating, now they have Howie on.
Yep, that was worse.
at least the eagles wont have much competition on the coaching market
Luckily, all those other dumb teams that fired their coaches are just going to go apeshtein fighting each other for Andy.
What search? Lurie is going to install Marty.
I'm still hoping for Juan so Lurie can make a movie about it.
His movies do better than his football team, so why not put the latter into service for the former?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2012, 03:19:53 PM
at least the eagles wont have much competition on the coaching market
Of course the year they need a new coach and half the league is looking the drafts the weakest it's been in years.
We won't know for years how good this year's draft is. That's just a line people throw around to sound like they know what they're talking about.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2012, 01:51:42 PM
I caught him mentioning Scott Young and Mike Vick's fargups in the playoffs
Roob said something like (this was as Lurie was walking off) "you're still haunted by Scott Young?" and Lurie was like "ugh Scott Young" and shook his head
That was classic! "The under thrown pass against Green Bay, the wide open receiver in the Super Bowl". Welcome to our world Jeff.
Whoever asked Lurie if the guy who has guided the team from a 10-6 to 8-8 to 4-12 is really the one you want picking a head coach was classic.
Seriously, Lurie's smug self-assurance is beyond infuriating. All the talk about the team's success and it being the pinnacle of a place anyone would want to coach and whatnot was hilarious considering they never actually won a farging thing. Oh, playoff wins? Sure. Been there done that. That isn't the name of the game, motherfarger, so stop acting like your farging franchise is anything more than the Buffalo Bills or Cleveland Browns.
So how come Mudd announced he would be retiring at the end of the season? Unless his contract was expiring anyway, he'd get paid for the remainder.
The contracts for coordinators and coaches are usually one year deals, right?
Quote from: Don Ho on December 31, 2012, 04:04:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2012, 01:51:42 PM
I caught him mentioning Scott Young and Mike Vick's fargups in the playoffs
Roob said something like (this was as Lurie was walking off) "you're still haunted by Scott Young?" and Lurie was like "ugh Scott Young" and shook his head
That was classic! "The under thrown pass against Green Bay, the wide open receiver in the Super Bowl". Welcome to our world Jeff.
haha I openly cheered him on in the office when he said that. I was like "yes! Thank you Jeff for acknowledging the shtein we bitch about".
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2012, 04:15:23 PM
The contracts for coordinators and coaches are usually one year deals, right?
I think 4 or 5 years is a typical length for a HC, maybe a couple of years less if it's an extension, and they are guaranteed. Apparently it is the same with GMs, at least it is in Howie's case which is why him getting the big contract last year is an additional problem. In the case of the coach, I think the original team is off the hook for the balance of the salary that a new team pays.
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2012, 04:10:45 PM
Whoever asked Lurie if the guy who has guided the team from a 10-6 to 8-8 to 4-12 is really the one you want picking a head coach was classic.
Seriously, Lurie's smug self-assurance is beyond infuriating. All the talk about the team's success and it being the pinnacle of a place anyone would want to coach and whatnot was hilarious considering they never actually won a farging thing. Oh, playoff wins? Sure. Been there done that. That isn't the name of the game, motherfarger, so stop acting like your farging franchise is anything more than the Buffalo Bills or Cleveland Browns.
no better year to prove you are the gold standard than one with this many coaching vacancies....if lurie is right the eagles should be first on every potential coaches list....right?
Jesus Christ himself would genuflect at the chance to coach those warriors.
They're literally lining up to blow him for a chance at the job.
The Bears have ten wins, something vaguely resembling a franchise QB, and an even bigger media market than Philly. Plus they just kept a guy around who made the playoffs three times in a decade, so you know they give coaches there a lot of leeway.
All logic dictates they get the first crack at any coach, unless the guy overrates warm weather or just hates the city of Chicago for some reason.
Yeah, Bears have to be a more attractive job strictly from a football standpoint.
What a great city, too. I love Chicago. When I first went to Chicago I had something like the feeling I did when I first went to San Francisco, or New York. I was like...wow. Okay. So this is what they're talking about. I could live a few lifetimes here.
Second that on Chicago. Great city, the first time I was there I had the same feeling as Dio, "this place is the real deal". My nephew quite a job in the surf industry last month to move to Chicago. 23 years old, living just off the Michigan Ave., single..... icehole!
When I saw they fired Lovie this morning my first thought was the theater usher is going to get sloppy seconds.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 09, 2011, 05:22:43 PM
It really might happen. It finally really for real might happen.
Yay.
Last Edit: Today at 02:24:33 PM by General_Failure
Haha. Thanks GF.
I'd been waiting way too long to do it, too.
http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/comment/article/1158849--hallelujah-andy-reid-finally-out-as-eagles-coach
Buffoon.
I prefer this one:
http://philly.sbnation.com/2012/12/31/3821618/eagles-fire-andy-reid-and-at-long-last-we-are-free
Quote from: General_Failure on December 31, 2012, 09:56:08 PM
I prefer this one:
http://philly.sbnation.com/2012/12/31/3821618/eagles-fire-andy-reid-and-at-long-last-we-are-free
That guy is funny...
QuoteBeing an Eagles fan is going to be nothing but ease and joy from now on.
haha
Mort and Schefter are reporting he's close to a deal with KC
I have a good friend from KC.
I look forward to sending him a top ten list of what to expect, or some such taunting thing.
KC = no hope.
Roob Frank is saying the Chargers have jumped in and Andy is gonna interview with them and Arizona, possibly to drive up KC's offer
Javon Belcher musta known
if belcher only killed himself and his girlfriend then jaamal charles is going to go sandy hook on chief headquarters
i cant wait to see andy and marty pass 50 times a game with matt cassel and/or brady quinn
chief's fan reaction has been almost all positive (as you can expect), but this little tidbit made me laugh
QuoteHopefully he'll treat Cassel like a son. That way he'll probably end up dead of a heroin overdose before the season starts.
one abuser going from one abused fan base to another
this will end well
roast pork to pulled pork
Quote from: SunMo on January 03, 2013, 03:12:21 PM
chief's fan reaction has been almost all positive (as you can expect), but this little tidbit made me laugh
QuoteHopefully he'll treat Cassel like a son. That way he'll probably end up dead of a heroin overdose before the season starts.
Ha!
Everyone wins if Andy goes to the Chiefs. Andy gets a job, KC gets a better coach than they've had since their last Eagles retread retired, and Eagles fans have absolutely no worries about Andy going somewhere else and winning a Super Bowl.
Scott Pioli probably does not win.
I forgot about Vermeil going to them.
DGunn says Andy made an offer to Juan to be his new OL coach
I hope he takes it, he's pretty good at that.
he cant even let him be a dline coach or lbs or dbs?
alright pedro you had your chance back to mexico (oline) you go
I don't think Andy's going to pull any really stupid coaching staff moves until he builds up a little credit there.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/Former-Eagle-Jeremiah-Trotter-rips-Andy-Reids-coaching-abilities.html
standby for Houston J's head exploding...
Pioli just got fired
Done deal. Big Red now officially red.
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2013, 03:59:24 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/Former-Eagle-Jeremiah-Trotter-rips-Andy-Reids-coaching-abilities.html
standby for Houston J's head exploding...
Misleading headline - I read that last night. He didn't really rip him and what he said were things we all have said over the years. Move along, nothing to see here Tijuana Todd
reid might be fading heckert too. talks of him going with john dorsey from the packers to run scouting and draft
I have a feeling Andy wins a superbowl in K.C. before the Eagles do.
kc will never host a superbowl
And even if they do, the odds that the Eagles will be the team to win it aren't even computable.
Supposedly he's taking Pederson and April with him :yay (and TE coach Tom Melvin)
oh no not bobby april! :'(
as i mentioned a few weeks ago bobby april had nothing to do with the zesty special teams...the giant game was a microcosm of this whole roster....very few cared and many quit....and st is the one area that relies 95% on effort hustle and courage.....none of which this team had
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/270271_10103780184037774_803994606_n.jpg)
weird
QuotePhiladelphia Eagles
Eagles Chairman/CEO Jeffrey Lurie on Andy Reid: "Congratulations to Clark Hunt & the Kansas City Chiefs for hiring a good man and a good coach. We wish Andy, Tammy and their entire family all the best in their new home."
I am intrigued to see how he plays out there with the no1 pick and who he taps to be the QB.
If/when the Eagles dump Vick - does he take Mike there while he grooms a guy?
Kiper has Jarvis Jones 1 on his big board going to KC. Wouldn't that be a bitch to see him not only take a LB in the first but take the guy who the Eagles need?
That's cold, not knowing the name of the living son.
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2013, 08:57:02 PM
Quote
Tony Luke's Chairman/CEO Tony Luke on Andy Reid: "Congratulations to local area Kansas City BBQ establishments. Increase inventory levels."
I'll be happy when I never hear another Andy BBQ joke
he got a five year contract
Andy Reid is a man who will never be accused of spending too much time at home.
QuoteReid will have more authority in Kansas City than any previous coach. While he will have authority in personnel decisions, it's expected that he will pursue longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey to work with him as general manager.
Reid had a worse W/L record his last 4 years as an Eagles coach than Kotite did.
CSN is carrying the press conference at 2:00 on Monday
Quote from: SD on January 05, 2013, 04:26:47 PM
Reid had a worse W/L record his last 4 years as an Eagles coach than Kotite did.
That's funny, but in all fairness Kotite had arguably the best NFL defense ever one of those years and probably the NFL's best D coordinator ever.
But Andy had a laminated play chart.
that was a Sonny's BBQ menu
QuoteEagles
McNabb: Banner took power from Reid, groomed Roseman
01/04/2013 6:03 PM
By Peter Mucha
Philly.com Staff Writer
The idea that Andy Reid always had final say is a bit of a myth, according to former Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb.
Before being ousted in June, team president Joe Banner sometimes exercised more authority than Reid, who was fired Monday, McNabb said Thursday on Comcast SportsNet's Daily News Live.
As reported earlier today, McNabb also said on the show that the Eagles should hire a defensive-minded coach, not offensively innovative University of Oregon coach Chip Kelly. McNabb also dismissed rumors about a return to the playing field, perhaps with Reid, reportedly on the verge of closing a deal to the next head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.
The Banner remarks came in response to a question from host Michael Barkann: "As far as you know, when you were with the team, the 'final-say' provision, who had it? Was it Andy? Was it Joe?"
Although McNabb initially said, "You know, we had no clue," he elaborated with an air of being knowledgeable.
"It seems like when Andy went through his issues with the family and his sons early on, that was a time for Joe to step in and try to make every decision," McNabb said. "That's when you kind of felt like Andy lost his power. And every decision that was made, it was going through Joe."
A common public perception was that Eagles general managers had clout in the organization, but McNabb painted a different picture.
"It didn't matter who the GM was at that time, because when Tom Heckert was here, it seemed like Joe made every decision," McNabb said. "And it was so easy for him to just kind of push Heckert out, you know. Heckert was up for the Atlanta job, and he told him to go and interview for it."
Heckert, who became Eagles GM in January 2006, left four years later to assume the same title with Cleveland Browns. But on Monday, a few months after Banner was named Browns CEO, Heckert was fired.
When Heckert left the Eagles, Howie Roseman took over as GM, but at first he seemed to be doing Banner's bidding, according to McNabb.
Banner "was already grooming Howie" to take Heckert's position, "so basically he could make every decision and just have Howie there with the title. And that's the way things were the last couple years, of Howie just being there, you know, suggesting a lot of things, but with Joe making the decision," McNabb said.
That seems to fit remarks made Monday by owner Jeffrey Lurie, who gave Roseman credit for the 2012 draft, but took him off the hook for previous ones.
"The mistakes that were made in the 2011 draft have little or nothing to do with Howie's evaluations," Lurie said.
McNabb seemed to confirm rumors of power struggles: "Now Andy came back and regained some of the power, but Joe was the one that was holding all of the power, I felt, and everyone in the locker room knew that."
In the last couple of days, rumors have suggested that Heckert might join Reid in Kansas City as general manager. However, recent reports say Packers director of football operations John Dorsey had emerged as the front runner. Today, Scott Pioli, who held the general manager post in Kansas City for the last four seasons, resigned.
welcome to four years ago donovan
lol "we had no clue"
then he blabs on for 20 minutes as if he has a clue.
Quote from: MDS on January 06, 2013, 02:30:38 AM
lol "we had no clue"
then he blabs on for 20 minutes as if he has a clue.
McNabb=igy?
press conference (http://www.kcchiefs.com/chiefs-live.html)
Why the hell am I watching this?
holy mother of god wip is playing gus bradley mic'ed up on the sideline during some game and it goes on for like a full minute and a half of him f bombing the defense to do their job
IN
2:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofv2MgMoFG8
Holy shtein that guy basically is Philly personified.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2013, 03:56:12 PM
holy mother of god wip is playing gus bradley mic'ed up on the sideline during some game and it goes on for like a full minute and a half of him f bombing the defense to do their job
IN
Just curious, is this one of your mondays off, or are you posting this from work?
Gus Bradley for HC, Ken Whisenhunt for OC?
He's going to die on the sidelines before the season even starts.
Dudes like that can quickly lose their grip on the group. He's a curb stomper. Not saying I don't like it, but if the team tunes him out, he's done. Maybe that's the type of drill instructor these Hoydas need to get them playing like men, at least finishing games with like men instead of fat little vaginas.
Get
Quote from: hbionic on January 07, 2013, 06:21:10 PM
but if the team tunes him out, he's done.
if a team tunes anyone out they are done
It just seems that dudes like that have a shorter wick. But again, maybe that's what this team needs.
i dont think just because you get fired up like that means you dont pick your spots when doing it...i wont pretend to know the guy at all but whose to say he doesnt blow up like that but once a year
there are lots of outwardly boisterous coaches who have long successful careers....cowher madden lombardi....and many others who go off on their teams but more behind the scenes...belichek
then theres lots of coaches who are low key who get tuned out
i wouldnt worry about a correlation btwn being vociferous and losing your team
either the guy can coach and hold a locker room or he cant....hopefully we find out first hand
Get Gus Bradley.
I want the suit guy. He's dreamy.
Quote from: hbionic on January 07, 2013, 06:21:10 PM
He's going to die on the sidelines before the season even starts.
Dudes like that can quickly lose their grip on the group. He's a curb stomper. Not saying I don't like it, but if the team tunes him out, he's done. Maybe that's the type of drill instructor these Hoydas need to get them playing like men, at least finishing games with like men instead of fat little vaginas.
Re-watch the video and concentrate on the players faces. There was no discord which is practically unheard of with modern players. You can pull that act as long as your team buys it. I doubt he pulls that every game but when your team is sucking ass or not giving full effort it's merited.
QuoteBut the ex-Eagles coach, upon his formal introduction as the Chiefs new head coach, subtly gave some insight into why it all went so wrong during his last two seasons.
Asked if the decline could have been avoided if he had more say on the direction of the team, Reid said no. But he did intimate that the "joint effort" of the Eagles' decision-makers was no longer producing the desired results.
"This is what's important, that everybody is pulling in the same direction," Reid said Monday at Arrowhead Stadium. "It's really not one guy making the decision. That's not how it works.
"When it's working right, it's a joint effort to make the decision. It's not one guy sitting in there with a hammer. When that gets out of whack it goes downhill real fast. If that's skewed at all, it goes downhill real fast."
The Eagles went downhill, but how fast it occurred is up for debate. But over Reid's final two seasons, the team went 8-8 and then 4-12 without a playoff appearance after he went 128-82-1 and reached the playoffs in nine of his first 12 seasons with the Eagles.
"It didn't end the way any of us wanted it to end," Reid said. "That's the bottom line. It was completely my responsibility. When you have a chance to step back here in the last few days, really it was the body of work that took place over time. That's what I will remember. I won't remember the last game or the last year."
Looks weird seeing him in front of the Chiefs logo
QuoteJaworski says Jon Gruden would be interested in Eagles
Largely ignored for the first week of the 2013 hiring cycle, former Raiders and Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden seems to be doing his damnedest to create a market where none apparently exists.
Via John Clark of NBC10 in Philly, former in-booth partner Ron Jaworski of ESPN said on 97.5 The Fanatic that: (1) Jaworski has spoken to Gruden; (2) the Eagles haven't reached out yet to Gruden; and (3) Gruden would be interested.
So much for Gruden being committed to ESPN.
Earlier today, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the Browns "might be" interested in Gruden. We promptly learned that the more accurate term is "aren't."
The end result seems to be an effort to inject Gruden into the discussion for one or more of the vacant jobs. And that's an effort no one (especially Gruden) ever thought would be necessary when it comes to his return to the NFL. Everyone (especially Gruden) believed teams would be falling all over themselves to hire him.
Now, it looks like Gruden is falling all over himself to attract some/any interest.
1. Get Gruden!!
2. Bury him under concrete in the endzone
id take him in a heartbeat
I'd love to have Chucky too...why the hate?
something about him having a couple bad years with tampa
speaking of...
http://deadspin.com/5974049/bcs-who-jon-gruden-decided-to-have-a-blast-at-wwe-raw-instead
Gruden would be a great get, almost regardless of the on-field success he might have.
No more boring-ass press conferences. Veins popping out of his head on the sideline. I mean... This is all about the entertainment value.
Agreed, it's not like we're ever gonna win it anyway. Might as well maximize the entertainment value of our time invested.
Technically, he's right.
we is never right
IGY, this is a marriage whether you like it or not. When so much emotion and energy and money is spent on something as a team, the bond is stronger than most people's relationships. It's the biggest motherfarging WE you'll ever have. Bet on that shtein.
i travel to every game from another state and i would still never say we...we is a violation of the highest degree...especially a socal we
belee dat
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2013, 12:46:55 PM
we is never right
It is when none of us is ever going to win a superbowl.
I hate to break it to both of you gentlemen, but I am fairly certain that the "Is it OK to say 'we' and include yourself as part of the sports team/organization for which you're rooting?" question is one which is played out and uninteresting.
Please try harder to be interesting. We appreciate your effort; thanks in advance.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 08, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2013, 12:46:55 PM
we is never right
It is when none of us is ever going to win a superbowl.
none of us is ever going to lose one either....so WE win
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2013, 12:59:40 PM
i travel to every game from another state and i would still never say we...we is a violation of the highest degree...especially a socal we
belee dat
Location has nothing to do with it son. I can tell you I can out-eagle-fan most Philly natives, so keep your map in your pants.
looks like doug pederson is going to be andys new OC.....full circle
Childress is interviewing for a coaching spot too
What does this mean for Morniwheg? He can't possibly be staying, right? Right?
not unless they hire his brother to be HC
beat guys were saying that it andy and marty had issues last year. sounds like they don't need to work together for awhile
who didnt andy have problems with last year...i dont get how he doesnt take a year off
he's not wired that way man.
he told mike greenberg today that he has too much energy to take a year off.
you could hear the staff laughing in the background.
Quote from: SunMo on January 10, 2013, 01:45:04 PM
he's not wired that way man.
theres a forced and terribly unfunny KC BBQ joke somewhere here but i dont know what it is
I found the joke but it is so unfunny even I can't repeat it.
kid from my hometown:
QuoteWyomissing's Alex Anzalone is reportedly ditching Notre Dame for Florida, according to Irish Illustrated. Blue & Gold Illustrated confirmed the news and reported that the flip was due to coach Brian Kelly's interview with the Philadelphia Eagles.
or maybe he took a look at the women in florida and the women and indiana and said farg it
Quote from: phattymatty on January 10, 2013, 04:46:29 PM
kid from my hometown:
QuoteWyomissing's Alex Anzalone is reportedly ditching Notre Dame for Florida, according to Irish Illustrated. Blue & Gold Illustrated confirmed the news and reported that the flip was due to coach Brian Kelly's interview with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Kid is really weird. He also ditched Penn State when he found out the coaches were raping kids in the shower.
Totally not a team player.
I'm starting to understand why Reid didn't take any time off.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/11/chiefs-announce-coaching-staff/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/11/chiefs-announce-coaching-staff/)
QuoteThe rest of the staff is made up of Tommy Brasher (Defensive Line), Travis Crittenden (Assistant Strength and Conditioning), David Culley (Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers), Mike Frazier (Statistical Analysis Coordinator), Corey Matthaei (Quality Control), Tom Melvin (Tight Ends), Matt Nagy (Quarterbacks), Britt Reid (Quality Control) and Barry Rubin (Head Strength and Conditioning).
Otherwise, most of these dudes would be without a job. It's kind of like running your own business inside someone else's larger business. These guys made sacrifices for him, and he has to keep them employed.
LOL at giving Britt an actual job.
It's just quality control though. Although come to think of it, knowing quality and purity can be pretty important.
Apparently our statistical analysis coordinator sucked ass.
Yeah, he didn't give good advice for a W-L record
David Culley is finally gone...so some people get their wish there
Quality control? Isn't that like Assistant to the Traveling Secretary?
Quote from: Don Ho on January 12, 2013, 01:46:26 AM
Quality control? Isn't that like Assistant to the Traveling Secretary?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_an_NFL_quality_control_coach_do
QuoteOften, a quality control coach is new to the coaching business. They do not coach a specific position but have several other responsibilities. Among those duties are breaking down film of upcoming opponents, scouting those opponents, and acting as an assistant during practices.
me thinks britt will be a quality control coach for the rest of his life
Or until his dad dies. Bets on which happens first?
Matt Nagy :crazy
Quote from: General_Failure on January 12, 2013, 02:06:45 AM
Or until his dad dies. Bets on which happens first?
thats a true coin flip
Juanny has also interviewed with Oakland in addition to Arizona for the OL job.
Tony Sparano interviewing for the KC OL job.
Sparano goes from HC to OC to OL within a year? Wow.
Burkholder is indeed leaving to join Andy
Big loss there
So you guys seriously think that the team doctor will be hard to replace?
Okey dokey.
Trainer
And he's one of the best
Quote from: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 13, 2013, 05:54:12 PM
So you guys seriously think that the team doctor will be hard to replace?
Okey dokey.
no one knows players and has a more important person to person relationship with them than the team trainer...their role cannot be underesitmated...a trainer is the conduit bwtn the player and the coach and even front office
and burk is the best in the buisiness
What a shame, Andy took the guy that's responsible for locking up all the drugs his kid OD'd on.
:-D
GF, what ever you do in life, what ever road you take, please promise us you'll never leave this board.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 13, 2013, 07:48:51 PM
:-D
GF, what ever you do in life, what ever road you take, please promise us you'll never leave this board.
It's his ball...he takes it and goes home there's no more game.
Peduzzi was promoted to replace Burkholder
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 13, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Peduzzi was promoted to replace Burkholder
Who cares. He sucks. All is lost.
Dave Toub is his STs coach...good hire.
Meanwhile Bobby April could be Carolina's STs coach
Admit it. Board is gonna need a chefs thread. Maybe a "Point 'n Laugh" or maybe "shtein perhaps we were too hasty"...
Quote from: JackStraw on January 16, 2013, 02:38:32 AM
Admit it. Board is gonna need a chefs thread. Maybe a "Point 'n Laugh" or maybe "shtein perhaps we were too hasty"...
Point & Laugh at Overcooked Meals Lately? Man, these regular naming conventions are way more complicated than I thought.
Great googily moogily.
Peduzzi = Onomatopoeia fail. Sounds like merkin dandruff. Or an Israeli sub machine gun for tots.
Andy decided to try Chip's music idea (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/05/17/andy-reid-follows-chip-kellys-musical-lead/)
QuoteAt Kansas City Chiefs practice on Thursday, Reid's team practiced with to soundtrack of Metallica, Guns N' Roses and AC/DC.
Quote"I've always done that, so I figured we'd break out a little R&B and see what we can do with it."
No chance AR played anything before the Rick Rubin/self-titled/"black" album.
"Hmm... what are the kids into these days..." <thinks of his sons...>
(http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Beavis-Butthead-p21.jpg)
One of his sons is really into Soil.
Oh shtein.