So why haven't these cheap bastiches signed anyone yet?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
i looked at the trap ray
this is on life support....
so, I think the Eagles need a WR to compliment Reggie Brown, they also need DT and LB help
if you use my thread, you will get random images of...
(http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/654/654510/jessica-alba-20050928050614425.jpg)
Official from KFFL:
QuoteBrowns | Team wastes no time in signing Givens
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:01:46 -0800
Zac Jackson, of ClevelandBrowns.com, reports the Cleveland Browns wasted no time in free agency by signing free agent WR David Givens (Patriots) to an undisclosed contract.
QuoteBrowns | Team wastes no time in signing Zastudil
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:14:28 -0800
Zac Jackson, of ClevelandBrowns.com, reports the Cleveland Browns wasted no time in free agency by signing free agent P Dave Zastudil (Ravens) to an undisclosed contract.
That has got to be tampering....
wow, way to corner the punter market Romeo
Who cares if it's tampering. Did you really want Givens badly or something? He's a nice player, but he's not someone to burst a vein over.
he would've been a nice addition. but at least "David Givens to the Browns a Lock" stories weren't coming out last week, Eagles fans really don't have a right to whine.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 12:17:48 AM
if you use my thread, you will get random images of...
(http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/654/654510/jessica-alba-20050928050614425.jpg)
I'm wavering, convince me more.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 11, 2006, 12:20:39 AM
Who cares if it's tampering. Did you really want Givens badly or something? He's a nice player, but he's not someone to burst a vein over.
Doesn't matter how badly I wanted him on the team or not. What happened with their website was a huge farg up. That was posted twenty minutes before the "dead-line". So.....it's farging tampering. What I originally said.
But it's ok for all reports to point to the Eagles all but agreeing to terms with Bentley a week ago? Cmon man, it's not something to get all riled up about IMO.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 11, 2006, 12:23:01 AM
I'm wavering, convince me more.
(http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.lexode.fr/galerie/galerie/1905/108498182019.jpg)
(http://www.amazingclubs.com/images/image-beer.jpg)
I'm not riled up. Not even a bit. The Birds never had a story run on their official webpage that Bentley or anyone else was locked up, barely a mention of it :-D. What I was trying to point out was how blatant it was that they had the story on their page before the period began
they didn't have that story on their page, someone found it. so it wasn't like the Browns official site was announcing it before 12:01, somebody was just creative enough to find it,
I'm not tired, so I won't be falling asleep anytime soon. Hopefully something is announced soon, and if not, something should be announced in the morning papers at 3am on philly.com.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 12:30:06 AM
they didn't have that story on their page, someone found it. so it wasn't like the Browns official site was announcing it before 12:01, somebody was just creative enough to find it,
Less talk from you, more pics of Alba's ass. Preferably pictures of large animals ravaging her junk. Get to work, or I take my business to the
other thread.
fair enough sir, fair enough...
QuoteGiants | Team will meet with Arrington Sunday
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:30:33 -0800
Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, citing Newsday, reports free agent LB LaVar Arrington (taterskins) will meet with the New York Giants Sunday, March 12.
that might not be good
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 11, 2006, 12:28:34 AM
I'm not riled up. Not even a bit. The Birds never had a story run on their official webpage that Bentley or anyone else was locked up, barely a mention of it :-D. What I was trying to point out was how blatant it was that they had the story on their page before the period began
As Mo said, it was never meant for public view & may not even be indicative of the truth. If tomorrow comes & we do find that he officially signed with the Browns, there's an issue. But say, Givens signs with the Skins tomorrow, some webmaster in Ohio is going to be busy at his new job creating hentai fan sites.
well, KFFL is saying that they signed him, so i think he's really going there. somebody just found their story they had written.
Unless someone hacked into the site and put that story there, it's true.
I don't think it's bogus. That is how it works. The process of putting something on a website, is you write the story, store it on the server, and then put a direct link to it on a page. They did all but the last step. Most likely to avoid tampering charges, and let things cool over and have it officially signed.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 12:34:49 AM
QuoteGiants | Team will meet with Arrington Sunday
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:30:33 -0800
Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, citing Newsday, reports free agent LB LaVar Arrington (taterskins) will meet with the New York Giants Sunday, March 12.
that might not be good
Meh, farging cheap ass FO wouldn't pay him what he wanted even if they knew he would fix the SAM spot and make a big time impact. It's almost like they think is a horrible idea to have a playmaker at any of the LB spots. That being said, I hope they sign someone anyway....but I'm not holding out much hope. Further, I didn't want to imply that I think Arrington could fix the teams SAM problems or be a huge playmaker. Finally, I'm farging shteinfaced.
The one thing that always has annoyed me about the Eagles, is there is always someone who isn't their type of player.
Get Arrington! Sorry, not our type of player.
Get Abraham! Sorry, not our type of player.
Sage Rosenfels is getting his balls licked by three or four teams to be a backup. Sage Rosenfels.....christ.
Where is the free booze and cardboard pie?
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 11, 2006, 12:38:33 AM
Unless someone hacked into the site and put that story there, it's true.
Bullseye. At least it looks that way according to this piece.
The first weird free-agency report of the night came from Cleveland, when the team's Web site reportedly signed Patriots wide receiver David Givens and Ravens punter Dave Zastudil. The only problem was it wasn't true. Givens' agent, Brad Blank, has his client on a 7 a.m. flight to Miami to visit the Dolphins, and he almost didn't send Givens to Cleveland because of the erroneous report. Blank theorized that someone hacked into the Browns' computer, but he emphasized that no deal is done. Givens is scheduled to visit the Browns on Sunday if he doesn't sign with the Dolphins on Saturday.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=clayton_john#20060310
A strange thing to hack the site with. Usually when someone hacks a site and puts a story there, it's a story with bad news, not good news.
Like Michael Vick broke his leg or something.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 11, 2006, 01:12:16 AM
A strange thing to hack the site with. Usually when someone hacks a site and puts a story there, it's a story with bad news, not good news.
Like Michael Vick broke his leg or something.
I was probably just a draft in the event he did sign, a draft that just wasn't hid well enough.
Clayton took the story down. :-D What's going on?
I have a feeling it's true. I still don't see why a hacker would put that there. It's so bland.
According to Les Bowen, the Eagles are now targeting Jurevicius to come in and play the slot. They're also looking at Ryan Pickett at DT.
The Eagles are expected to announce one of the league's bigger deals today, with the addition of All-Pro center LeCharles Bentley, from the New Orleans Saints. Sources close to the situation also have identified Lions free-agent quarterback Jeff Garcia, who has a long history in the West Coast offense, as an Eagles target. The Birds also are thought to be interested in St. Louis free-agent defensive tackle Ryan Pickett, a 2001 first-round pick whose 115 tackles led NFL DTs last season.
But in the type of situation Banner might have been referring to, Pittsburgh free-agent wide receiver Antwaan Randle El now does not seem to be high on the Eagles' list. Under the $94.5 million cap, it is thought the Eagles thought they could obtain Randle El as a slot receiver at a reasonable price. Now, the market for Randle El is expected to be much greater and his price higher. Though agent Fletcher Smith would not comment yesterday, it now seems unlikely Randle El will join Smith's most prominent client, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb. New England wide receiver David Givens, another rumored Eagles target, does not seem to be on their radar right now.
Instead, the Eagles are thought to be targeting veteran slot receiver Joe Jurevicius, who revived his career last season in Seattle. Jurevicius, 31, has the size the Birds' receiving corps lacks, at 6-5, 230. His 71-yard catch 3 years ago for Tampa in the NFC Championship Game set the tone for the Bucs' upset of the Eagles. Jurevicius is said to prefer to return to Seattle, but the Eagles might be able to dangle enough money to change his mind.
I'd rather have Bernard dammit. :'(
I don't mind Joe at all. He's not the answer, but he's better than what we've got.
As I've said, the Eagles are not going to sign a WR any better than Jurevicius. So, hope for that.
I wanted them to sign Joe when he went to the Bucs several years ago. He's not a #1, but he's a good posession receiver that fits well in this offense.
yay...a guy even more mediocre than givens.
reese was right!
Quote from: hunt on March 11, 2006, 07:50:05 AM
yay...a guy even more mediocre than givens.
reese was right!
No, he'll be right if the Eagles get no one at WR and say they're "fine" with what they have.
getting only jurevicious would be saying they are basically fine at wr...hes a waste
i love the idea of pickett...much cheaper than bernard and a better player....he needs to be more consistent but when hes on hes a really really good run stopper
If the Eagles aren't seriously targeting a wide receiver in free agency (a notion Spads quasi-confirmed this morning, btw) they have to be looking at the position in the draft.
I don't know if Santonio Holmes is the answer or they're planning on trading down but it's pretty clear they have nothing behind Reggie Brown right now.
Very strange.
is Ryan Pickett more of a pass rusher or run stopper?
He's more of a run stuffing clog shtein up type. I believe he has like 6 sacks in his career. Some of that could be playing in that STL defense though. He'd be a younger and better version of Hollis.
Walker
Patterson
Rayburn
Pickett
Bunkley
That would be excellent, IMO.
Pickett's bio from Scouts, Inc:
Quote2005 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 69 | Key
Alert: None
Comment:
Has the upper body strength to maintain separation from defenders and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Takes adequate pursuit angles and shows adequate range. Possesses good athletic ability and is an adequate open field tackler. Flashes the ability to shoot the inside gap and takes the shortest path to the quarterback. Is a powerful bull rusher when plays with good leverage and he flashes the ability to collapse the pocket. However, Pickett hasn't progressed as expected and he doesn't make enough big plays. Appears to wear down when teams consistently run at him, plays too high when gets tired and can get driven back when doesn't play with good leverage. Doesn't always use hands well and takes too long to shed blocks at times.
QuoteAppears to wear down when teams consistently run at him, plays too high when gets tired and can get driven back when doesn't play with good leverage. Doesn't always use hands well and takes too long to shed blocks at times.
sounds like he would be more effective if he plays in a consistent rotation
I don't know anything about the guy, but he's obviously a massive upgrade, so that pleases me.
Eagles | Rumor alert: team could sign Givens
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:41:46 -0800
Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports there is some talk that the Philadelphia Eagles could sign free agent WR David Givens (Patriots).
??? ??? ???
I think Givens and his agent are thowing up a smokescreen to cover up the mess from the Browns' website:
PFT:
Quote
CLEVELAND STEPS IN SOMETHING BROWN?
We've been pounding away of late on the fact that teams rampantly have been tampering with free agents who weren't yet free -- and who thus were still the property of another team.
We've seen agents concede that tampering occurs, we've read reports of deals already done, and we spit our Kool-Aid against the computer screen on Friday night when we read comments from Drew Brees acknowledging that he's "already got things lined up" with other teams.
The Cleveland Browns might have taken the thing to a new level on Friday night, posting on their official web site a story announcing the signing of Patriots receiver David Givens before the official launch of free agency.
The article later was taken down. But not before one of our readers could capture an image of the screen:
(http://www.profootballtalk.com/BrownsGiven.gif)
Here's the full text of the article, courtesy of another reader:
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The Browns made an immediate splash in the free agent market Saturday by signing wide receiver David Givens.
Givens, who played his first four NFL seasons with the Patriots and won two Super Bowl championships, seems to be a perfect fit for a Browns team that made adding an experienced, reliable receiver a top offseason goal.
Givens bolsters a Browns' receiving corps that awaits the return of last year's top draft pick, Braylon Edwards, from a December ACL injury, and also features veteran Dennis Northcutt.
Last year's leading receiver, Antonio Bryant, is a free agent.
Givens, 25, caught a career-high 59 passes for 738 yards in 13 games last season. He caught 5 passes for 54 yards and a touchdown in the Patriots' playoff loss in Denver in January.
He posted a career-high 6 touchdowns in 2003, and had a career-high 874 receiving yards in 2004. His career totals include 158 receptions, 2,214 yards and 12 touchdowns; he's also the Patriots all-time leader in postseason touchdown receptions with 6.
Givens was a seventh round draft choice out of Notre Dame in 2002. He signed a one-year max tender with the Patriots last season as a restricted free agent.
In Cleveland, Givens is reunited with Romeo Crennel and assistant head coach Jeff Davidson. Crennel was previously the defensive coordinator in New England and Davidson coached the offensive line and tight ends. Browns Special Teams Coach Jerry Rosburg held the same position at Notre Dame for two of Givens' four seasons there. Givens blocked three punts while playing under Rosburg in 2000.
Givens played a limited offensive role and contributed on special teams as a Patriots rookie in 2002, when he caught 9 passes for 92 yards and a touchdown in 12 games. He caught 34 passes for 510 yards and 6 touchdowns in 2003 in 13 games (5 starts) in 2003, including a career-long 57-yarder.
His breakout season came in 2004, when he led the Patriots with 56 catches for 874 yards. He had four games with 100-plus receiving yards, a touchdown catch in each of the Patriots' three postseason games, and converted first downs on 47 of his 56 regular-season receptions.
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Wow.
Yet another reader explains to us that there were three separate press releases posted on the web site Friday night regarding the Browns' signing of Givens, of Ravens punter Dave Zastudil (another example of potential tampering), and the re-signing of left tackle L.J. Shelton. The links to all three are now dead, leaving a gap of three consecutive numbers in the system used on the Browns' official site.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news_room/news/arts/5199.0.html
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news_room/news/arts/5200.0.html
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news_room/news/arts/5201.0.html
But numbers before and after 5199 through 5201 contain active stories.
We're also told that John Clayton's blog on ESPN.com initially made reference to the Givens and Zastudil signings, containing a quote from Givens' agent, Brad Blank, suggesting that the release on the Browns' web site was a hack job. But Clayton's blog later was revised to omit the entry.
As to the hacker defense, note in the screen capture that the date on the story is March 30, 2006 and that the title is "GIvens." Would hackers have made such errors, when their sole objective is to create the appearance that their phony work isn't? At a minimum, wouldn't they have inserted a title like "Browns sign David Givens"?
Even if it this was the product of teenagers with nothing better to do on a Friday night (and who also happen to have the writing skills of an experienced sports journalist), there's enough smoke here to merit a look-see from the league office.
farg i like Givens, theres one less WR available.
Quote from: mussa on March 11, 2006, 09:57:23 AM
farg i like Givens, theres one less WR available.
You are a simple individual, obviously.
Givens is still very much on the market. Either the Browns were hoping they would sign him immediately and had the story ready to go, but someone found it, or it was a hack job. Either way, Givens has no less than 8 teams after him.
Quote from: hunt on March 11, 2006, 07:50:05 AM
yay...a guy even more mediocre than givens.
reese was right!
If in the end he's right, you'll have to log back in as him & let us know. ;)
Why haven't these cheap fargs signed 6 guys yet? >:(
I need to go to bed. I need some news. Cheap!
KFFL is giving Eckel an echo chamber.
QuoteEagles | Team likely to sign Garcia later this week
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:30:16 -0800
Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are likely to sign free agent QB Jeff Garcia (Lions) later this week.
Eagles | Team might sign M. Anderson later this week
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:29:02 -0800
Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports the Philadelphia Eagles might sign free agent RB Mike Anderson (Broncos) later this week. Anderson has interest from several teams and may weigh his offers. The Eagles might take that time to gauge the market for a dependable backup running back.
it's not even an echo chamber, it's an amplifier
Free Agency '06 Current Grade: F-
It seems to me that The Eagles probably knew all along that the new CBA would give all teams some cap relief and that this would allow some players to get inflated deals early on.
I think their stragedy is probably to wait for other teams to set the market, push themselves back up against the cap, and then go back to low ballin' whoever is left.
Cap Champs '06
Quote from: Displaced on March 11, 2006, 11:59:13 AM
It seems to me that The Eagles probably knew all along that the new CBA would give all teams some cap relief and that this would allow some players to get inflated deals early on.
I think their stragedy is probably to wait for other teams to set the market, push themselves back up against the cap, and then go back to low ballin' whoever is left.
Cap Champs '06
Sadly, Displaced, I think you are right...can't wait for the "Mike McMahon" signing that Dave raves about this year in a month from now... >:(
Quote from: NorCalBirdz on March 11, 2006, 11:38:56 AM
Free Agency '06 Current Grade: F-
Giving a grade for free agency after only 12 hours is as dumb as rating a movie after the opening credits are done.
Quote from: GuitarDreamer131 on March 11, 2006, 12:18:16 PM
Quote from: Displaced on March 11, 2006, 11:59:13 AM
It seems to me that The Eagles probably knew all along that the new CBA would give all teams some cap relief and that this would allow some players to get inflated deals early on.
I think their stragedy is probably to wait for other teams to set the market, push themselves back up against the cap, and then go back to low ballin' whoever is left.
Cap Champs '06
Sadly, Displaced, I think you are right...can't wait for the "Mike McMahon" signing that Dave raves about this year in a month from now... >:(
shawn barber
Quote from: PhillyFan on March 11, 2006, 12:20:24 PM
Quote from: NorCalBirdz on March 11, 2006, 11:38:56 AM
Free Agency '06 Current Grade: F-
Giving a grade for free agency after only 12 hours is as dumb as rating a movie after the opening credits are done.
I wish I would have done that with The Blair Witch Project. Jeebus, that movie sucked.
The first thing I noticed about the Givens article was March 30. That should've been the first clue that it was fake....
man, i'm so glad free agency started, this is really fun!!1!1!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 01:41:15 PM
man, i'm so glad free agency started, this is really fun!!1!1!
I once slammed a kitchen cabinet on my penis by accident. That was more fun.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 11, 2006, 01:45:47 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 01:41:15 PM
man, i'm so glad free agency started, this is really fun!!1!1!
I once slammed a kitchen cabinet on my penis by accident. That was more fun.
Jevon told me you like the rough stuff.
i'd like to see that, if you don't mind. the cabinet that is.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on March 11, 2006, 04:11:53 AM
According to Les Bowen, the Eagles are now targeting Jurevicius to come in and play the slot.
Sirius reporting Jurevicius is on his way to Cleveland and about to sign a 4 year deal.
No Kendrick Clancy either....signed with Arizona
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2006, 03:03:22 PM
No Kendrick Clancy either....signed with Arizona
Yup, 4 year deal.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 11, 2006, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on March 11, 2006, 04:11:53 AM
According to Les Bowen, the Eagles are now targeting Jurevicius to come in and play the slot.
Sirius reporting Jurevicius is on his way to Cleveland and about to sign a 4 year deal.
Are you f'ing kidding me? Are the browns going to sign everyone? :o
Like it matters. They'll still suck...
at least they're trying.
Well if they have to go anywhere but here I am glad they picked Cleveland.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2006, 03:09:55 PM
Like it matters. They'll still suck...
It does matter... they're keeping them from
us.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2006, 03:09:55 PM
Like it matters. They'll still suck...
a nice Oline with NO QB. DOH
The Eagles can still salvage this damn offseason. Just GET TO WORK!
Mawae, Hutchinson, Bernard, Witherspoon, Givens. Get talking to some agents!
Jurevicius wasn't coming here anyway. That signing doesn't bother me....
Quote from: GuitarDreamer131 on March 11, 2006, 03:09:21 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 11, 2006, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on March 11, 2006, 04:11:53 AM
According to Les Bowen, the Eagles are now targeting Jurevicius to come in and play the slot.
Sirius reporting Jurevicius is on his way to Cleveland and about to sign a 4 year deal.
Are you f'ing kidding me? Are the browns going to sign everyone? :o
Shock and Awe Baby!
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
Jurevicius wasn't coming here anyway. That signing doesn't bother me....
Givens> Vicious
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
Jurevicius wasn't coming here anyway. That signing doesn't bother me....
Doesn't really bother me either...but sheesh how are the Browns signing all of these players so quickly? ???
they had a plan in place instead of trying to backdoor a deal with one guy i assume
Let me guess... not an Andy Reid type of player.
Quote from: sharpie on March 11, 2006, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
Jurevicius wasn't coming here anyway. That signing doesn't bother me....
Givens> Vicious
The Eagles aren't going to get Givens, so that doesn't really matter.
F the taterskins
F Dan Snyder
F Gene Upshaw
F Paul Tagliabue
and the biggest F you to LeCharles Bentley
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2006, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: sharpie on March 11, 2006, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
Jurevicius wasn't coming here anyway. That signing doesn't bother me....
Givens> Vicious
The Eagles aren't going to get Givens, so that doesn't really matter.
Eckel said so........Consider it done :D
Eckel is a complete hack and should probably be fired for the error he made.
Les Bowen, Bob Brookover, and Sirius made that same error.
Only Eckel reported that it was an absolute done deal. Others reported that a visit was scheduled and a contract was thought to be imminent. Eckel wanted so badly to be the first to report the completed deal that he jumped the gun.
Eckel getting fired because of this would make me slightly less angry about everything.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2006, 03:49:58 PM
Only Eckel reported that it was an absolute done deal. Others reported that a visit was scheduled and a contract was thought to be imminent. Eckel wanted so badly to be the first to report the completed deal that he jumped the gun.
I wonder where Eckel got the 17.5 million guaranteed from.
Conjecture? He knows a guy who knows a guy who thinks he heard something?
Probably. I can't wait to hear WIP hosts try to make excuses for him to stick up for their colleague.
They will always over-value their own colleague's opinions.
Eskin guaranteed he would sign too.
Which is why I was expecting this to happen all along.
it's not eckel's fault bentley signed with the browns.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 11, 2006, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 11, 2006, 03:49:58 PM
Only Eckel reported that it was an absolute done deal. Others reported that a visit was scheduled and a contract was thought to be imminent. Eckel wanted so badly to be the first to report the completed deal that he jumped the gun.
I wonder where Eckel got the 17.5 million guaranteed from.
One source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said........
The Sirius host made a semi-good point about beat writers, that they're under such pressure to compete with the internet and television that once they find a decent rumor their editors tell them to just go with it for the sake of selling papers. Not saying Eckel's not an idiot though....
He is a host on farging WIP what the hell did you people expect?
It's possible someone in the Eagles told him it was a done deal and it was them who was misinformed, or the Eagles themselves thought it was a done deal and were dumbfounded by all this.
Quote from: hunt on March 11, 2006, 03:55:36 PM
it's not eckel's fault bentley signed with the browns.
Yeah, well... it sounds like it's not really the Eagles fault either. That is quite the large contract for a Center.
Hahahha... just kidding. The Eagles really screwed the pooch on that one.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 11, 2006, 03:58:37 PM
The Sirius host made a semi-good point about beat writers, that they're under such pressure to compete with the internet and television that once they find a decent rumor their editors tell them to just go with it for the sake of selling papers.
Right, which is why they are, many times, completely full of shtein.
from spew's article:
QuoteFree agency has many faces, one of which is a sprint out of the gates. There are teams that want to make that Day 1 splash, and it's an approach the Eagles have taken in the past. But these is a more complicated time, when teams are now flush with money under the salary cap. The idea is to be utilize those dollars and help your team out the most in the long run.
QuoteRams | Team poised to sign Witherspoon?
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:12:51 -0800
Pat Yasinskas, of the Charlotte Observer, reports the St. Louis Rams appear to be poised to sign free agent LB Will Witherspoon (Panthers). The Rams could pay him as much as $13 million in bonus money.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 06:18:34 PM
from spew's article:
QuoteFree agency has many faces, one of which is a sprint out of the gates. There are teams that want to make that Day 1 splash, and it's an approach the Eagles have taken in the past. But these is a more complicated time, when teams are now flush with money under the salary cap. The idea is to be utilize those dollars and help your team out the most in the long run.
What does that even mean? I'm guessing it's a way to spin them being cheap.
how would this be for a 1st week of FA? they don't sign any frontline OL or DT, then they cut TO and he goes to Dallas?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 06:20:16 PM
QuoteRams | Team poised to sign Witherspoon?
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:12:51 -0800
Pat Yasinskas, of the Charlotte Observer, reports the St. Louis Rams appear to be poised to sign free agent LB Will Witherspoon (Panthers). The Rams could pay him as much as $13 million in bonus money.
Who gives a shtein about Witherspoon?! We got "The Barber" baby!! :crazy
lol when you try to log on at EMB:
QuoteYes, we know Bentley signed with the Browns. Come back in a few.
:-D
That place always crashes.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 06:30:06 PM
lol when you try to log on at EMB:
QuoteYes, we know Bentley signed with the Browns. Come back in a few.
LMAO....Just noticed that!
this day sucks, but the beers and chicken quesadillas are easing my pain
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I'm still pissed.
have a chicken quesadilla
Those are tasty. I love quesadillas.
quesadillas + 6 pack of Dos Equis = small slice of heaven.
Hopefully, the Eagles were banking on only Bentley today and will have a few guys come in tomorrow.
Namely Mawae, Bernard, Howard, or Hutchinson is he's free. Any combinations of those 4 guys would be good.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2006, 08:36:49 PM
Those are tasty. I love quesadillas.
quesadillas + 6 pack of Dos Equis = small slice of heaven cielo
:D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2006, 08:36:49 PM
Those are tasty. I love quesadillas.
quesadillas + 6 pack of Dos Equis = small slice of heaven.
oh man...I wish I had that exact combo right now...Dos Equis w/ a lime is even better! :D
Quote from: GuitarDreamer131 on March 11, 2006, 08:58:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2006, 08:36:49 PM
Those are tasty. I love quesadillas.
quesadillas + 6 pack of Dos Equis = small slice of heaven.
oh man...I wish I had that exact combo right now...Dos Equis w/ a lime is even better! :D
No lime for me. I'm down down with the lime in beer thing. I tried Corona like that and didn't dig it.
Romey...what the hell is cielo? :paranoid
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 11, 2006, 08:30:44 PM
this day sucks, but the beers and chicken quesadillas are easing my pain
I picked up a case of Beck's & made my own chicken/shrimp potato skins. I'm still mildly irritated but ready to be mentally sodomized by the Eagles FO tomorrow.
Colts | Team will avoid free agency frenzy for three weeks
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:33:51 -0800
Mike Chappell, of the Indianapolis Star, reports the Indianapolis Colts will sit out the first three weeks of free agency until prices drop on players. Colts president Bill Polian said, "We always sit out the first three weeks. We don't become active until the market sort of levels out."
Got that from kffl. Obvious typo. Should say Eagles. :P
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 11, 2006, 09:42:40 PM
I picked up a case of Beck's & made my own chicken/shrimp potato skins. I'm still mildly irritated but ready to be mentally sodomized by the Eagles FO tomorrow.
good shtein.
hey did you guys know that Tastykake makes ice cream? i just got a pint of Tastykake Kandy Kake ice cream, and it's only like $1.80 instead of what Ben and Jerry's costs. and it's good as shtein.
WTF is this team doing? This is looking exactly like last year. Sign a backup TE and a backup QB. Just like last year. It's a farging joke.
I can't believe they are doing this to the fans. Words can't describe how angry I am. It's a travesty.
I have to go to work tonight.
Tomorrow night I am off so I get to piss away Day Two Of Not Doing A Goddamn Motherfarging Thing getting drunk.
Yay.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2006, 10:18:13 PM
I have to go to work tonight.
Tomorrow night I am off so I get to piss away Day Two Of Not Doing A Goddamn Motherfarging Thing getting drunk.
Yay.
Maybe you'll come home tomorrow afternoon to something good Phreak! Keep the faith! :-\
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2006, 10:18:13 PM
I have to go to work tonight.
Tomorrow night I am off so I get to piss away Day Two Of Not Doing A Goddamn Motherfarging Thing getting drunk.
Yay.
we are all expecting the invite to help you consume all that liquor (and anger)
I'll be here tomorrow morning at 10ish ready to rip into the Eagles FO and a case of beer.
I have a case of Molson Golden that I bought yesterday. Its got my name on it.
See you Matt Schobel fans tomorrow. :)
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 11, 2006, 10:17:51 PM
WTF is this team doing? This is looking exactly like last year. Sign a backup TE and a backup QB. Just like last year. It's a farging joke.
At least we get to wear these cool shirts
(http://home.comcast.net/~beermonkey/eaglesfa.jpg)
:-D
Do those come in extra Large?
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 11, 2006, 10:50:55 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 11, 2006, 10:17:51 PM
WTF is this team doing? This is looking exactly like last year. Sign a backup TE and a backup QB. Just like last year. It's a farging joke.
At least we get to wear these cool shirts
(http://home.comcast.net/~beermonkey/eaglesfa.jpg)
:-D Nice one BM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3717783.html
New England receiver David Givens, who played at Humble High School, had been scheduled to visit the Texans today but re-signed with the Patriots late Saturday.
Looks like Givens is gone now too.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14079604.htm
According to Bob Brookover, the Eagles are bringing in Darren Howard today(sunday). Found it on the EMB.
Two league sources said that defensive end Darren Howard is scheduled to visit the Eagles today at the NovaCare Complex.
Howard drew the Eagles' interest two years ago when he was a free agent, but the team signed Jevon Kearse instead. Howard, 29, averaged nearly 71/2 sacks in six seasons with the Saints, including 11 two years ago. He had a career-low 31/2 sacks last season and missed the final four games with a knee injury.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 12, 2006, 03:09:02 AM
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14079604.htm
According to Bob Brookover, the Eagles are bringing in Darren Howard today(sunday). Found it on the EMB.
Two league sources said that defensive end Darren Howard is scheduled to visit the Eagles today at the NovaCare Complex.
Howard drew the Eagles' interest two years ago when he was a free agent, but the team signed Jevon Kearse instead. Howard, 29, averaged nearly 71/2 sacks in six seasons with the Saints, including 11 two years ago. He had a career-low 31/2 sacks last season and missed the final four games with a knee injury.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Howard's a good player that fits the Eagles' MO of getting guys coming off injury. The good news is that he can play DT or DE, depending on situation, in Jim Johnson's scheme. If they get him, I think they insert him into the starting lineup as a DT and move him to the edge on running downs/goalline situations.
But just having confirmation that he's in for a visit would be a nice start.
Speaking of good young players coming off of injury... I'm still curious as to whether or not Julian Peterson could play strongside. I haven't heard much about interest in him across the league yet, and he definitely fits the Eagles' plans of getting those younger guys with a lot of football left coming off of injury.
Peterson couldn't be worse than Dhani at strongside, and who are we kidding anyway... Lewis or Dawkins end up on coverage against the best TE's anyway, not the strongside backer.
Peterson would be a guy I think the Eagles should pursue. But they probably won't, because he has a bad attitude and wants big money, despite coming off the injury. Blah blah.
Darren Howard's In For A Visit Today - Spadaro (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=333502&st=0&#entry5824647)
howards agent or whoever the first big guy they sign is going to absolutely rape the eagles cause they know they are so desperate to save face right now
QuoteI know you guys want to see the Eagles add a receiver. I don't know anything 100 percent, but I think the Eagles will add a receiver (not one who suited up in 2005). I got that feeling.
If Schobel is signed...that's one more need the Eagles can eliminate.
Quote from Chris McPherson's Blog... take it for what it is
Who didn't suit up in 2005? ???
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2006, 08:46:46 AM
howards agent or whoever the first big guy they sign is going to absolutely rape the eagles cause they know they are so desperate to save face right now
You'd think so, but since when does the Eagles front office feel it has to answer to public opinion?
Quote from: Westy on March 12, 2006, 08:48:20 AM
QuoteI know you guys want to see the Eagles add a receiver. I don't know anything 100 percent, but I think the Eagles will add a receiver (not one who suited up in 2005). I got that feeling.
If Schobel is signed...that's one more need the Eagles can eliminate.
Quote from Chris McPherson's Blog... take it for what it is
Ummm... so, he's simply talking about a draft pick? The only other guy that could mean would be Javon Walker, but he suited up, albeit briefly, in 2005.
Walker would certainly brighten my outlook on the off-season.
Maybe he was referring to the human IUD?
(http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/SuperBowl39/Images/Pinkston.jpg)
:D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 12, 2006, 08:59:21 AM
Maybe he was referring to the human IUD?
:D
:-D Toothpink would just make GF's day!
who the hell is Chris McPhereson?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 12, 2006, 09:03:35 AM
who the hell is Chris McPhereson?
He's Spadaro's underling... a researcher/writer for the Eagles site.
Eagles PR dude...
He'd be Dick Cheney to Spadaro's Dubya.
;)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 12, 2006, 09:07:01 AM
Eagles PR dude...
He'd be Dick Cheney to Spadaro's Dubya.
;)
That's an excellent analogy. Chris does a lot more of the research. Only, Dave's ear is probably closer to "inside" information than Cheney's is.
I would love it if McPherson was talking about Walker, though. That would make the taterskins acquisition of Brandon Lloyd very, very small.
If the Eagles got Javon Walker, I'd likely experience pre-ejaculatory leakage over it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 12, 2006, 09:13:54 AM
If the Eagles got Javon Walker, I'd likely experience pre-ejaculatory leakage over it.
Screw that. I'd pull up some Alba pics and get the whole job done.
Then again... why wait?
I have a tiny... hangover today.
I'm not in the mood for Jessica at the moment. A buddy of mine got a 'scrip for 50 Vicodins and he gave me 10 of them so the hangover shouldn't last much longer.
did david boston suit up last year? :paranoid :-D
Quote from: hunt on March 12, 2006, 09:48:33 AM
did david boston suit up last year? :paranoid :-D
Oh, shtein.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 12, 2006, 09:23:14 AM
I have a tiny... hangover today.
I'm not in the mood for Jessica at the moment. A buddy of mine got a 'scrip for 50 Vicodins and he gave me 10 of them so the hangover shouldn't last much longer.
is a public board a good place to post that? :-X ....although 10 V's should easily cure yesterday's FA headache.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 12, 2006, 08:43:17 AM
Darren Howard's In For A Visit Today - Spadaro (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=333502&st=0&#entry5824647)
I hope Howard gets done today. He'd give this D some options.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 12, 2006, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2006, 08:46:46 AM
howards agent or whoever the first big guy they sign is going to absolutely rape the eagles cause they know they are so desperate to save face right now
You'd think so, but since when does the Eagles front office feel it has to answer to public opinion?
Quote from: Westy on March 12, 2006, 08:48:20 AM
QuoteI know you guys want to see the Eagles add a receiver. I don't know anything 100 percent, but I think the Eagles will add a receiver (not one who suited up in 2005). I got that feeling.
If Schobel is signed...that's one more need the Eagles can eliminate.
Quote from Chris McPherson's Blog... take it for what it is
Ummm... so, he's simply talking about a draft pick? The only other guy that could mean would be Javon Walker, but he suited up, albeit briefly, in 2005.
Walker would certainly brighten my outlook on the off-season.
I know of 1 WR the Eagles are interested in drafting, but I promised a certain someone I wouldn't repeat it. I'm sure you can figure out who it is if you don't already know.
Good morning, fellas. Have a good night dreaming about free agency?
1. I'm not even going to get all excited about Howard. Even though I want him here, yesterday taught me a lesson.
2. They need to stop talking to Saints players:
Fred Thomas = yeah, I'll sign...then he bolts out of town
LeCharles Bentley = nah, I never said anything about Philly.
Darren Howard = ??
I sure hope they sign Darren Howard though. He would be a nice addition...
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 12, 2006, 09:51:33 AM
I know of 1 WR the Eagles are interested in drafting, but I promised a certain someone I wouldn't repeat it. I'm sure you can figure out who it is if you don't already know.
The fact that you know it probably means about 75% of us here have heard it too :D
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 12, 2006, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 12, 2006, 09:51:33 AM
I know of 1 WR the Eagles are interested in drafting, but I promised a certain someone I wouldn't repeat it. I'm sure you can figure out who it is if you don't already know.
The fact that you know it probably means about 75% of us here have heard it too :D
Sure, but that guy or another similar player would only supplant McMullen on the depth chart and give them more options for the future. They need a guy who can come in and start opposite Brown now.
Patriots | Givens has not re-signed
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 06:43:47 -0800
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports agent Brad Blank said a Houston Chronicle report saying free agent WR David Givens (Patriots) has re-signed with the New England Patriots was erroneous. Blank said "anything is possible" at this stage. This is the second erroneous report this weekend involving a Givens signing.
Quote from: hunt on March 12, 2006, 09:48:33 AM
did david boston suit up last year? :paranoid :-D
[rjs] Kill yourself. [/rjs]
Quote from: dis12 on March 12, 2006, 09:49:25 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 12, 2006, 09:23:14 AM
I have a tiny... hangover today.
I'm not in the mood for Jessica at the moment. A buddy of mine got a 'scrip for 50 Vicodins and he gave me 10 of them so the hangover shouldn't last much longer.
is a public board a good place to post that? :-X ....although 10 V's should easily cure yesterday's FA headache.
Unless the DEA is monitoring the board and is interested in locking me up for helping myself to a few pain killers, I doubt I'm in trouble.
Givens is getting way too much attention on the open market. I wouldn't mind the Eagles bringing him in and overpaying him a little at this point, but it is extremely highly unlikely to happen.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 12, 2006, 10:04:27 AM
Unless the DEA is monitoring the board and is interested in locking me up for helping myself to a few pain killers, I doubt I'm in trouble.
(http://www.oddjack.com/brett-favre.jpg)
This message is Favre-approved!
Did you guys see what HOUSTON gave Anthony Weaver?!?
5 years
$26.5M
$12M signing bonus
Anthony Weaver.
Darren Howard gets at least that. Book it.
I don't even know who Anthony Weaver is. Or care.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2006, 10:08:05 AM
Did you guys see what HOUSTON gave Anthony Weaver?!?
5 years
$26.5M
$12M signing bonus
Anthony Weaver.
Darren Howard gets at least that. Book it.
Damn, he's only 25 so I guess they're basing that off potential. Despite having loads of cash, I'm expecting the Eagles to go the cheap route once again. They'll say Howard's salary demands were outrageous, then he'll sign a deal somewhere and we'll all be in an uproar once we see the numbers.
I see they have an Eagles Live! set for 3pm.
Eagles Live on a Sunday? That usually means a PC.
Let's hope it is for Howard and Schobel :deion
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2006, 10:23:36 AM
I see they have an Eagles Live! set for 3pm.
Eagles Live on a Sunday? That usually means a PC.
Let's hope it is for Howard and Schobel :deion
Im not getting my hopes up.
Think about it.... Its only 10:30am. No way did they lure Howard in at breakfast.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 12, 2006, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2006, 10:23:36 AM
I see they have an Eagles Live! set for 3pm.
Eagles Live on a Sunday? That usually means a PC.
Let's hope it is for Howard and Schobel :deion
Im not getting my hopes up.
Think about it.... Its only 10:30am. No way did they lure Howard in at breakfast.
They did if they took him to the Melrose Diner... :drool
;)
I see they have an Eagles Live! set for 3pm.
Eagles Live on a Sunday? That usually means a PC.
no its damage control for their farg up yesterday
Fodder time:
QuoteEagles | Mikell tender update
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:33:31 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have offered restricted free agent S Quintin Mikell a one-year tender. The Eagles would not receive draft choice compensation if he signs elsewhere for the 2006 season.
Eagles | Mahe tender update
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:32:45 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have offered restricted free agent RB Reno Mahe a one-year tender. The Eagles would not receive draft choice compensation if he signs elsewhere for the 2006 season.
Eagles | D. Johnson tender update
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:32:20 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have offered restricted free agent P Dirk Johnson a one-year tender. The Eagles would not receive draft choice compensation if he signs elsewhere for the 2006 season.
This can't be the only visit today.
Get to work Eagles, before all the good free agents out there get stolen.
Bernard, Pickett, Flanigan, Mawae, Hutchinson, Peterson, Givens(if the reports are false)
i know one person who won't dissapoint us today....
(http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/dirt%20dog%20gifs%205/TonySoprano.jpg)
Us fans could use him to threaten Andy.
Spadaro's on Sirius right now:
-- Said deal with Bentley was never close. Good for the Browns, good for Bentley, the Eagles have to move on.
-- Talking about Fraley/Jackson battling for the Center job. Called Bentley one of the best Centers in the NFL.
-- Says he's awaiting word to see if a deal with Howard gets done. They're negotiating as we speak.
-- Talking about the Barber signing and that McCoy was a disappointment but they're still high on him. Is really high on Barber. Thought their LBs sucked in coverage last season.
-- Will use Howard in a 3 man rotation with Kearse, Cole.
-- Tuesday will be TO's last day as an Eagle unless he's traded.
-- In 'his' opinion they need another receiver. Doesn't think it will come in Free Agency. Eagles spent a ton of time scouting a WR they can draft. Thinks Brown will be a stud. Have to get better at spreading the ball around.
-- His feelings on Eagles draft plans: He thinks Defensive Tackle or Offensive Line. WR somewhere in the draft but not 14.
Now bash me for caring and writing what he had to say.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 12, 2006, 02:53:34 PMNow bash me for caring and writing what he had to say.
Hanging on Spadaro's nuts...better you than me.
Bad news. Don't sign a WR, and draft one outside the first round?
BOOOOOOO!
Are you kidding me?
Also I don't like the sounds of drafting DT or OL in the draft. It's a potential hint that we don't plan to sign one.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 12, 2006, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 12, 2006, 02:53:34 PMNow bash me for caring and writing what he had to say.
Hanging on Spadaro's nuts...better you than me.
Yet I'll bet you're listening to Eagles Live or at the very least following what he said online.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 12, 2006, 02:53:34 PM
Spadaro's on Sirius right now:
Now bash me for caring and writing what he had to say.
Would you settle for "Thank you"?
Spads is hardly a fountain of great insight, but I like at least knowing what he's saying. Every now and then you can get some ideas about what is going on if you read between the lines.
whats the difference between spads and a bucket of shtein....
the bucket
sweet, another WR draft pick, that's good because everyone they've drafted at WR has turned out to be a player. ok, maybe not everyone, but 1 did.
Reading between the lines here, but it looks good for Howard. If he's stayin', that means they're still negotiatin'.
I agree.. as I think a lot of people here do... but considering yesterday, I'm not gonna say a damn thing. :paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2006, 03:33:31 PM
whats the difference between spads and a bucket of shtein....
the bucket
FUNNIEST QUOTE OF THE WEEK!! :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 12, 2006, 05:08:09 PM
Reading between the lines here, but it looks good for Howard. If he's stayin', that means they're still negotiatin'.
either that, or he's tired and the Birds offered to put him up in Motel-6. big spenders :P
I just hope Eagles get a surprise signing to excite everyone.
Like Peterson.
As to the WR situation: I'd like to say a big I told you so. In January. Esp. for PG. Not so idiotic after all.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2006, 03:33:31 PM
whats the difference between spads and a bucket of shtein....
the bucket
The first thing I laughed at this whole weekend.
Someone on the EMB is saying that he heard ESPN radio say that the Eagles offered Green Bay, Hollis Thomas and a 3rd round pick for Javon Walker.
:-D :-D
yeah right.....like you were able to get onto EMB.... :P
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 12, 2006, 09:52:44 PM
yeah right.....like you were able to get onto EMB.... :P
:D
Spads needs to get the Eagles to spring for a server that holds more than 500 hundred people.
You people and your routine maintenance. >:(
Quote from: mpmcgraw on March 12, 2006, 09:54:50 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 12, 2006, 09:52:44 PM
yeah right.....like you were able to get onto EMB.... :P
:D
Spads needs to get the Eagles to spring for a server that holds more than 500 hundred people.
I gather the money for that must count against the cap. Otherwise, you'd already have that server.
fox news just said Brian Finneran will sign with the eagles.
:-D
Brian Finneran
:-D
Shut up.
Seriously?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2006, 11:00:40 PM
Shut up.
Seriously?
yep. absolutely. it's what bill vargas(?) said right before commercial about 10 minutes ago.
I don't know what to think.
He's a poor man's Joe Jurevicius.
He'd be great in the slot.
Another guy brought back.
Pinkston
Brown
Finneran
Lewis
draft pick
Ummmm...I dunno.
Hold me.
No Mike Anderson. Yay. Can't afford 4 years, $8M, $2M SB apparently.... :boom
Finneran's stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4946/career;_ylt=AlFvlsZSP1l.9C5fY_7xNU3.uLYF)
He was decent in ATL in an offense with no passinggame.
What can he do here with Donovan and a passing offense?
WE ARE SO CHEAP!!
This is a farging disgrace!
FINNERAN? Is this for real?
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 12, 2006, 11:03:21 PM
No Mike Anderson. Yay. Can't afford 4 years, $8M, $2M SB apparently.... :boom
Jamison Hensley, of the Baltimore Sun, reports the Baltimore Ravens have agreed to a four-year contract with free agent RB Mike Anderson (Broncos). The total worth of the deal is believed to be $8 million with a $2 million signing bonus. Anderson expects to take over for RB Jamal Lewis as the team's starting running back.
Go compare Joe Jurevicius and Brian Finneran.
Do it.
This isn't too bad, guys. They are essentially the same player
Did Leonard Braman buy the team back right before Free Agency?? :boom
Quote from: mpmcgraw on March 12, 2006, 09:54:50 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 12, 2006, 09:52:44 PM
yeah right.....like you were able to get onto EMB.... :P
:D
Spads needs to get the Eagles to spring for a server that holds more than 500 hundred people.
You people and your routine maintenance. >:(
it just gets worse and worse for the Eagles, first chinsing out on Free Agents now they must be using Apple Servers to keep up their website and MBs
I find it funny how for every player they have some garbage reason not to like them or want them, but they always seem to have room in the house for some cheap talent. That they love.
Maybe this is only one WR signing. Maybe we will sign another, and cut McMullen.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2006, 11:11:35 PM
Go compare Joe Jurevicius and Brian Finneran.
Do it.
This isn't too bad, guys. They are essentially the same player
Except the Finneran is known to drop balls, and JJ is clutch for keeping the ball in his hands ala vs the Eagles
Hopefully he's McMullen's replacement and not TO's....
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 12, 2006, 11:14:13 PM
I find it funny how for every player they have some garbage reason not to like them or want them, but they always seem to have room in the house for some cheap talent. That they love.
Maybe this is only one WR signing. Maybe we will sign another, and cut McMullen.
I hear they are going to sign back James Thrash again too :-X
LOL @ Finneran.
We're unstoppable at WR now. :yay
BRIAN FINNERAN
1999 - 2 catches 21 yards 10.5 YPC 0 TDs
2000 - 7 catches 60 yards 8.6 YPC 0 TDs
2001 - 23 catches 491 yards 21.3 YPC 3 TDs
2002 - 56 catches 838 yards 15.0 YPC 6 TDs
2003 - 26 catches 368 yards 14.2 YPC 2 TDs
2004 - 23 catches 258 yards 11.2 YPC 2 TDs
2005 - 50 catches 611 yards 12.2 YPC 2 TDs
JOE JUREVICIUS
1998 - 9 catches 146 yards 16.2 YPC 0 TDs
1999 - 18 catches 318 yards 17.7 YPC 1 TD
2000 - 24 catches 272 yards 11.3 ypc 1 TD
2001 - 51 catches 706 yards 13.8 YPC 3 TDs
2002 - 37 catches 423 yards 11.4 YPC 4 TDs
2003 - 12 catches 118 yards 9.8 YPC 2 TDs
2004 - 27 catches 333 yards 12.3 YPC 2 TDs
2005 - 55 catches 694 yards 12.6 YPC 10 TDs
Finneran career: 187 catches 2647 yards 14.2 YPC 15 TDs
Jurevicius career: 233 catches 3010 yards 12.9 YPC 23 TDs
Jurevicius was like Finneran last year. He was kind of just " a guy" out there in FA. He went to a strong passing team and became their go to guy in the red zone and on 3rd downs. He had a very nice season. Many Eagle fans wanted him to sign here this offseason.
Finneran hasn't played in a true passing offense. Why couldn't he do for us what Jurevicius did for SEA?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2006, 11:22:17 PM
BRIAN FINNERAN
1999 - 2 catches 21 yards 10.5 YPC 0 TDs
2000 - 7 catches 60 yards 8.6 YPC 0 TDs
2001 - 23 catches 491 yards 21.3 YPC 3 TDs
2002 - 56 catches 838 yards 15.0 YPC 6 TDs
2003 - 26 catches 368 yards 14.2 YPC 2 TDs
2004 - 23 catches 258 yards 11.2 YPC 2 TDs
2005 - 50 catches 611 yards 12.2 YPC 2 TDs
JOE JUREVICIUS
1998 - 9 catches 146 yards 16.2 YPC 0 TDs
1999 - 18 catches 318 yards 17.7 YPC 1 TD
2000 - 24 catches 272 yards 11.3 ypc 1 TD
2001 - 51 catches 706 yards 13.8 YPC 3 TDs
2002 - 37 catches 423 yards 11.4 YPC 4 TDs
2003 - 12 catches 118 yards 9.8 YPC 2 TDs
2004 - 27 catches 333 yards 12.3 YPC 2 TDs
2005 - 55 catches 694 yards 12.6 YPC 10 TDs
Finneran career: 187 catches 2647 yards 14.2 YPC 15 TDs
Jurevicius career: 233 catches 3010 yards 12.9 YPC 23 TDs
Jurevicius was like Finneran last year. He was kind of just " a guy" out there in FA. He went to a strong passing team and became their go to guy in the red zone and on 3rd downs. He had a very nice season. Many Eagle fans wanted him to sign here this offseason.
Finneran hasn't played in a true passing offense. Why couldn't he do for us what Jurevicius did for SEA?
i liked Finneran the 1st time around with the Eagles, but where does he fit in?
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 12, 2006, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2006, 11:11:35 PM
Go compare Joe Jurevicius and Brian Finneran.
Do it.
This isn't too bad, guys. They are essentially the same player
Except the Finneran is known to drop balls, and JJ is clutch for keeping the ball in his hands ala vs the Eagles
Finneran had 3 drops with 81 balls thrown his way last year
Jurevicius had 2 drops with 84 balls thrown his way last year
For one, Jurevicius was like my 5th choice at receiver.
I'd take Givens, Bryant, Randle El, Lloyd over him.
I didn't even want Jurevicius all that much. He's slow.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 12, 2006, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2006, 11:22:17 PM
BRIAN FINNERAN
1999 - 2 catches 21 yards 10.5 YPC 0 TDs
2000 - 7 catches 60 yards 8.6 YPC 0 TDs
2001 - 23 catches 491 yards 21.3 YPC 3 TDs
2002 - 56 catches 838 yards 15.0 YPC 6 TDs
2003 - 26 catches 368 yards 14.2 YPC 2 TDs
2004 - 23 catches 258 yards 11.2 YPC 2 TDs
2005 - 50 catches 611 yards 12.2 YPC 2 TDs
JOE JUREVICIUS
1998 - 9 catches 146 yards 16.2 YPC 0 TDs
1999 - 18 catches 318 yards 17.7 YPC 1 TD
2000 - 24 catches 272 yards 11.3 ypc 1 TD
2001 - 51 catches 706 yards 13.8 YPC 3 TDs
2002 - 37 catches 423 yards 11.4 YPC 4 TDs
2003 - 12 catches 118 yards 9.8 YPC 2 TDs
2004 - 27 catches 333 yards 12.3 YPC 2 TDs
2005 - 55 catches 694 yards 12.6 YPC 10 TDs
Finneran career: 187 catches 2647 yards 14.2 YPC 15 TDs
Jurevicius career: 233 catches 3010 yards 12.9 YPC 23 TDs
Jurevicius was like Finneran last year. He was kind of just " a guy" out there in FA. He went to a strong passing team and became their go to guy in the red zone and on 3rd downs. He had a very nice season. Many Eagle fans wanted him to sign here this offseason.
Finneran hasn't played in a true passing offense. Why couldn't he do for us what Jurevicius did for SEA?
i liked Finneran the 1st time around with the Eagles, but where does he fit in?
Brown
Pinkston
Finneran
Lewis
draft pick
That would be my guess. Unless they somehow get Givens.
ehhhh need to see more. like another running back. but i guess they are really high on reggie. sure up both lines and the need for a TO type replacement isnt so prevelant.
I'm not saying Finneran and Joe are dissimilar, but I wasn't exactly calling for Jurevicious either. This WR corps needs more help than a mediocre slot receiver.
I wouldn't mind this move if it was a compliment to others we were making. But Finneran and a backup TE? Those are moves to add depth, not to improve the starting lineup, which is what we need.
one thing i do see happening is all of those teams ahead of the Eagles in the draft have either bought a RB or resigned their own.
Lendale White falling into our lap?
As a side note, how do they plan on having enough money for the draft after splooging it all on Finneran and Schobel? Cap hell here we come! :evil
I'm usually what could be deemed a FO apologist, but this has been a disgrace thus far.
Eagles must be planning on paying 1/3 of each season ticket holders payment with the windfall they saved in Free Agency this year
NFL | Bernard to make an undisclosed visit
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:15:20 -0800
Danny O'Neil, of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, reports free agent DT Rocky Bernard (Seahawks) has a visit scheduled for the upcoming week, but his agent's office has declined to disclose his travel plans.
I know the rumor out there is that it's the Giants, but MAYBE, just MAYBE it's the Eagles.
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Newark Star-Ledger (http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1142229828119420.xml&coll=1)
QuoteThe Giants also called the agent for defensive tackle Rocky Bernard (Seahawks) on Saturday, but Bernard has scheduled a visit for another team, said Steve Caric, a spokesman for his agent, Gary Uberstine. Caric would not say which team Bernard was to visit.
The Eagles are very hush-hush about visits, so it's probably the Eagles, and he'll probably sign by noon!
C'mon, I need this.
Finneran is a tall possession receiver. Something this offense could use. Is he TO? No. Is he Javon Walker? No. Could he help? Sure.
If they were to pull off a trade for Walker and have Walker, Brown and Finneran starting I would definitely chub up.
finneran blows...though id take him over greg lewis
I'd take him over Pinkston, but c'mon now. It's a lateral move at best for replacing anyone not named Owens.
still waiting on some sort of ANYTHING remotely close to the Eagles even LOOKING at Finneran. Not one place has it, even the media hacks for the Philly papers.
no way is he even close to as good as a healthy pinky....if youre saying youd take him over pinky better because a post achilles pinky scares you then maybe
All Pinky has ever been good for is running down the field in a straight line. It's amusing that so many people consider that a good quality.
One very good thing I'll say about Finneran is that the Falcons used him a lot ot keep the chains moving. I can't tell you how many drives he kept going for ATL by going up an snagging a errant Vick pass for a 1st down. So in the sense of a good option on 3rd down and in the red zone... I like it.
IF he really is even an Eagle.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 08:39:36 AM
One very good thing I'll say about Finneran is that the Falcons used him a lot ot keep the chains moving. I can't tell you how many drives he kept going for ATL by going up an snagging a errant Vick pass for a 1st down. S
I remember that and when watching a Falcons game (for the purpose of pointing and laughing at Vick), I would always wonder the same thing. How in the hell was Finneran SO BAD here and then could keep drives going there?
Quote from: General_Failure on March 13, 2006, 08:26:44 AM
All Pinky has ever been good for is running down the field in a straight line. It's amusing that so many people consider that a good quality.
that's an important factor to a passing offense
Finneran wasn't really bad here, he just had one major screwup.
I would always wonder the same thing. How in the hell was Finneran SO BAD here and then could keep drives going there?
so bad here?...he played two games...dropped a ball and was a statement cut...im gonna guess he was the same exact player here that he is/was on the falcons...he just got a chance there
I wouldn't mind the addition of Finneran in much the way I wouldn't mind the addition of Schobel. Both fill a need on the cheap and are a slight improvement over the depth currently there. Neither signing would preclude the Eagles from making further moves at either position should an opportunity come in the draft, by trade, or later in FA.
i don't like hte Schobel move based on the fact that he's not a good blocker, you need that from a backup TE
^^^^
agree...and at least hes a proffesional receiver who fills a role...not a cfl'er like greg lewis
finneran's okay as a depth guy...i just hope he's not the only wr they pick up this offseason.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 13, 2006, 08:49:52 AM
i don't like hte Schobel move based on the fact that he's not a good blocker, you need that from a backup TE
Well, I read Reuben Frank's article yesterday and he said that Schobel was a good blocker. And I trust Frank because he's the best beat writer for the Birds. But it doesn conflict with what the scouting reports say.
I guess we'll have to see.
i think like many on this board (RJS and others) it's assumed that he's a good blocker because they are bringing him in as the 2nd TE. i think Reuben does a good job too, but he may be making the same assumptions as we did at first. i guess we'll see.
Quote from: hunt on March 13, 2006, 08:52:51 AM
finneran's okay as a depth guy...i just hope he's not the only wr they pick up this offseason.
I agree with that. If this Walker garbage turns out to be true... then the move is even better because he'll definitely be pushing either McMullen or McCants off the roster, which at that point would be considered a depth upgrade.
Apparently, Schobel is drawing a lot of comparisons to Chad Lewis from the Eagles front office. Both are very big men and are able and good receivers. It took Chad many years to become an adequate blocker, but he became serviceable.
Anyway, what do we know until we see him screw up his first block in an Eagles uniform? He's a large man and he at worst patches a need on the Eagles roster. Plus, he has 2 more career TD's than Randle El. Ha!
somebody obviously likes large men.
Quote from: hunt on March 13, 2006, 09:02:10 AM
somebody obviously likes large men.
I'm sick of the Eagles offense running like it's undersized.
schobel is not a blocker why would the eagles get a bliocking TE when they dont run...chad lewis is a very good comparison and thats the exact role he will fill...its a real solid signing...the class is weak but imo schobel was one of if not the best FA TE available...dont sleep on this move
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 13, 2006, 08:41:46 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 08:39:36 AM
One very good thing I'll say about Finneran is that the Falcons used him a lot ot keep the chains moving. I can't tell you how many drives he kept going for ATL by going up an snagging a errant Vick pass for a 1st down. S
I remember that and when watching a Falcons game (for the purpose of pointing and laughing at Vick), I would always wonder the same thing. How in the hell was Finneran SO BAD here and then could keep drives going there?
eh...he was a rookie here. undrafted i beleive. it's not like many players shined on the 1999 eagles. he had that one play where he bounced it off his shoulder and they lost to cardinals and never did anything after that before he was cut in midseason.
he was cut before he even got off the field after that drop
Player spotlight on the Eagles free agency section (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/articles/articlesNewsDetail.jsp?id=44597) of PE.com:
QuoteRocky Bernard
An unheralded star on the Seahawks defense, he had 8½ sacks in 2005. The 6-3, 290-pound defensive tackle is solid against the run and a strong pass-rushing presence inside.
Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please PLEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSEEEEE!
Please.
You didn't say pretty please.
With a cherry on top.
i get excited just thinking of the stadium screen possibilites, i mean his name is Rocky and the movie Rocky was from Philly, Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.!
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 13, 2006, 10:17:20 AM
You didn't say pretty please.
No, but you just did.
Yes.
Now it will happen.
He'll refuse to sign here because #99 is retired,
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 13, 2006, 10:21:50 AM
i get excited just thinking of the stadium screen possibilites, i mean his name is Rocky and the movie Rocky was from Philly, Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.!
Also, Bernard Hopkins is a famous REAL boxer from Philly. It's fate baby!
Two first names, and the two greatest boxers from Philly fantasy and Philly reality. HOLY CRAPPOLA!!
IS he at the NovaCare Center this morning?
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 12:28:40 PM
IS he at the NovaCare Center this morning?
Let's respect past history and say he IS NOT IN ANY WAY EVEN CLOSE to the NovaCare Complex, just in case.
"Why Rocky Bernard will not be an Eagle..."
<-------- Resign this hairy necked Bastid
Dave confirmed that Matt Schobel is coming in to visit.
He's also saying he knows of other visits but isn't allowed to say. Blah blah.
Matt or Doug?
did I hear correctly on WIP? we resigned Reno??? even I can't imagine that...well maybe it can, BYU connection, plus he's Andy's personal server at Chickie n' Pete's :P
Dave said he doesn't see Bernard coming here.
So that probably won't be a visit. Hopefully he's covering, but if you know Dave he wouldn't deny it, he'd just say something like "I can't comment on that."
Hopefully they are some nice names that can improve the team.
Quote from: dis12 on March 13, 2006, 01:48:59 PM
did I hear correctly on WIP? we resigned Reno??? even I can't imagine that...well maybe it can, BYU connection, plus he's Andy's personal server at Chickie n' Pete's :P
He got tendered the lowest amount. He was a restricted free agent.
Dave's saying that he thinks Billy McMullen is out of chances.
Then hopefully that's what Finneran is for.
Quote from: dis12 on March 13, 2006, 01:48:59 PM
did I hear correctly on WIP? we resigned Reno??? even I can't imagine that...well maybe it can, BYU connection, plus he's Andy's personal server at Chickie n' Pete's :P
I can't believe that Mahe's biggest fan is upset over this trivial transaction. ???
when will WR be properly addressed
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 01:56:52 PM
when will WR be properly addressed
Finneran + 3rd round choice... HOLLA!
Great... Dave is all about Thomas Tapeh and has said that the Howard signing will probably be the biggest signing of the off-season.
I simply can't understand why they wouldn't give Howard more of his signing bonus as a roster bonus if they didn't plan on making a lot of other big moves. Makes zero sense.
Dave's comments from before....
Quote"I've come to this series of conclusions: 1) The Eagles weren't kidding when they said they liked this roster; 2) They aren't particularly impressed with this crop of free-agent talent; 3) They believe they have time to add to the team before the draft; 4) They clearly aren't as stressed about the wide receiver position as so many of you are and; 5) If they can land Howard, the Eagles may not dip much deeper into free agency."
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 02:09:15 PM
Great... Dave is all about Thomas Tapeh
why? the guy was borderline before his injury.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 13, 2006, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: dis12 on March 13, 2006, 01:48:59 PM
did I hear correctly on WIP? we resigned Reno??? even I can't imagine that...well maybe it can, BYU connection, plus he's Andy's personal server at Chickie n' Pete's :P
I can't believe that Mahe's biggest fan is upset over this trivial transaction. ???
it's just the jersey is showing it's wear...probably from all the crap it takes.
Quote from: hunt on March 13, 2006, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 02:09:15 PM
Great... Dave is all about Thomas Tapeh
why? the guy was borderline before his injury.
Why? This is Spadaro we're talking about.
Did anyone sign Sowell (Jet's FB) yet?
Not sure, but Beasley and Mack Strong are still out there.
I'd go in and steal Strong and Bernard while Seattle tries to make room for Hutchinson.
Looks like the Schobel press conference is on for tomorrow:
QuoteEagles | Schobel in town
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:53:07 -0800
Updating ongoing reports, the Philadelphia Eagles announced free agent TE Matt Schobel (Bengals) is in Philadelphia visiting with the team. He is scheduled to meet with the media at 10 a.m. EST Tuesday, March 14.
spads better be wrong but if he isnt and this is essentially it for the eagles in FA then farg banner farg reid farg lurie
where are the offensive line upgrades...there isnt a single position along the line that doesnt contain a questionmark...how do you not resign runyan...amongst the mess that was the bently fiasco you forget that hank fraley is 'again' their starting center
how do you not better upgrade the lb's
WR FOR GOD SAKES
30 million under the cap gives you howard schoebel barber and finneran...not good enough...not even close
I agree IGY, but after the Howard signing I'm willing to wait a few days before calling for their heads again.
But if Dave was right when he said this was THE big signing, then I'll be all over them until next march.
On the Eagles site, this paragraph about Schobel stood out:
QuoteNicknamed "The Schoboat," Schobel is known as a precise route runner and has experience as a holder on field goal attempts
I wish Koy the best of luck.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 02:26:42 PM
30 million under the cap gives you howard schoebel barber and finneran...not good enough...not even close
I agree. That would be awful.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 13, 2006, 02:34:42 PM
On the Eagles site, this paragraph about Schobel stood out:
QuoteNicknamed "The Schoboat," Schobel is known as a precise route runner and has experience as a holder on field goal attempts
I wish Koy the best of luck.
lmao :-D
According to Eskin - yeah, I know... Garcia will be in town wednesday, and from talking to people he thinks there's a good chance Runyan is back.
I'm glad Garcia thinks Runyan will be back.
Possible Dave is differentiating between "FA signing" (i.e. those outside the Eagles) and resigning our own?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 02:26:42 PM
30 million under the cap gives you howard schoebel barber and finneran...not good enough...not even close
There it is.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 13, 2006, 03:06:06 PM
According to Eskin - yeah, I know... Garcia will be in town wednesday, and from talking to people he thinks there's a good chance Runyan is back.
I'd actually be okay if they get Howard and keep Runyan. They need a DT but it may be something they can address in the draft. I'm still hoping for Rocky Bernard or Ryan Pickett.
I would love it if they got Bernard AND drafted Bunkley. Patterson would still be used in the rotation, since Bernard has been a situational guy a lot. I'm a defensive line kind of guy. I believe if you have a stud d-line the rest of your defense feeds off of that.
i dont know why everyone is so high on bunkley...im not opposed to taking him but im not all that excited about another small DT...i know hes strong as ox but against the much bigger pro lineman i dont think that will translate as well in his smaller type frame...
plus hes blown his knee out twice
Then it's a sure thing that he'll be an Eagle, I guess.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 03:46:10 PM
i dont know why everyone is so high on bunkley...im not opposed to taking him but im not all that excited about another small DT...i know hes strong as ox but against the much bigger pro lineman i dont think that will translate as well in his smaller type frame...
plus hes blown his knee out twice
Just like any other draft pick... potential.
He's smaller, but uch more athletic than a guy like Ngata... which in this scheme translates to more productive. Strong as hell, productive in a proven program... he's proven against the run and the pass.
Most importantly... he's a realistic target.
thats fine and like i said if they take him i wouldnt complain...but the way people talk about him on the board youd think he was some freak like veedee or mario williams
im not asking for ted washington type but i want more of a run stopping dt...they have enough pattersons...walkers...bunkleys rayburns ect....
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 03:58:04 PM
thats fine and like i said if they take him i wouldnt complain...but the way people talk about him on the board youd think he was some freak like veedee or mario williams
im not asking for ted washington type but i want more of a run stopping dt...they have enough pattersons...walkers...bunkleys rayburns ect....
I'd almost prefer Rod Wright to Bunckley.
Quote from: Philly_Crew on March 13, 2006, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 03:58:04 PM
thats fine and like i said if they take him i wouldnt complain...but the way people talk about him on the board youd think he was some freak like veedee or mario williams
im not asking for ted washington type but i want more of a run stopping dt...they have enough pattersons...walkers...bunkleys rayburns ect....
I'd almost prefer Rod Wright to Bunckley.
Honestly, if you are serious I dont know what to say other then you are crazy. Rod Wright has done nothing in my eyes to warrant a day 1 pick besides his sophomore year, which was over 2 years ago.
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I'm sorry, but is this not the gayest picture?
my interest is piqued, what's happening on Thursdays!>!?!?!
we need to begin to prepare ourselves for something, we need to start right now. the Philadelphia Eagles' linebackers next year will be Shawn Barber, Jeremiah Trotter, and Dhani Jones.
What about Urrlackkre?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 13, 2006, 05:04:15 PM
we need to begin to prepare ourselves for something, we need to start right now. the Philadelphia Eagles' linebackers next year will be Shawn Barber, Jeremiah Trotter, and Dhani Jones.
I still hold out hope Jones won't be the SAM. Jim Johnson knows he isn't one and he had to have told Andy that he needs an upgrade there.
and Andy pulled his pockets inside out and said, sorry, no money left in the linebacker budget
Then Jim Johnson gets him in a headlock and says, don't talk back to me fatass.
Then Andy gets scared and gets to work.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 13, 2006, 05:04:15 PM
we need to begin to prepare ourselves for something, we need to start right now. the Philadelphia Eagles' linebackers next year will be Shawn Barber, Jeremiah Trotter, and Dhani Jones.
not necessarily a bad trio :-\ they have a little age on them, but still play hard!
Age is the least of that trio's concerns. They have two healthy knees between the 3 of them, and they both belong to the guy who has no business starting at SAM for a team that claims to want to get back to the Super Bowl.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 05:23:31 PM
Age is the least of that trio's concerns. They have two healthy knees between the 3 of them, and they both belong to the guy who has no business starting at SAM for a team that claims to want to get back to the Super Bowl.
Yeah, but they're REALLY high on Matt McCoy.
Quote from: Dillen37 on March 13, 2006, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on March 13, 2006, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 03:58:04 PM
thats fine and like i said if they take him i wouldnt complain...but the way people talk about him on the board youd think he was some freak like veedee or mario williams
im not asking for ted washington type but i want more of a run stopping dt...they have enough pattersons...walkers...bunkleys rayburns ect....
I'd almost prefer Rod Wright to Bunckley.
Honestly, if you are serious I dont know what to say other then you are crazy. Rod Wright has done nothing in my eyes to warrant a day 1 pick besides his sophomore year, which was over 2 years ago.
How about Gabe Watson?
Kill yourselves. A lot.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 05:23:31 PM
Age is the least of that trio's concerns. They have two healthy knees between the 3 of them, and they both belong to the guy who has no business starting at SAM for a team that claims to want to get back to the Super Bowl.
The 2006 Philadelphia Eagles Linebacking Corps--
NOW, cartilage free!!
:-D
It is absolutely disgusting that this is going to be the LB corp for next season as it stands today. It seems they they intentially try to screw this position up, I just don't get it. Long live Matt McCoy!
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on March 13, 2006, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 05:23:31 PM
Age is the least of that trio's concerns. They have two healthy knees between the 3 of them, and they both belong to the guy who has no business starting at SAM for a team that claims to want to get back to the Super Bowl.
The 2006 Philadelphia Eagles Linebacking Corps-- NOW, cartilage free!!
I shot Seagram's 7 out of my nose with that one. Thanks, icehole.
:-D
Should be drinking the Jameson's this week, anyway.
I shot snot and boogers out of my nose.
Interesting Stuff from PFT.com regarding Moulds:
Quote
BILLS KEEPING MOULDS OFF OF THE MARKET
Surely frustrated as millions of dollars flow into the pockets of lesser players, Bills receiver Eric Moulds has asked to be traded or released.
"The Bills have put us in a position where we're at Option Z, and Option Z is to ask to be released," said Greg Johnson, according to The Associated Press. "It's a sad day. And we wish things could've worked out, but it's just not working out."
(Editor's note: What the f--k is Option Z?)
Moulds is scheduled to earn $7.1 million in 2006. He has refused multiple requests to restructure his deal.
So why haven't the Bills cut him?
Spite. Oh, they'll never admit it. "Our intention remains to keep Eric as a part of our team," G.M. Marv Levy said on Monday.
But we know what's happening, Marv. We know. The idea is to hang onto Moulds' rights for now, while all of the other guys eat at the March big money trough. By the time the Bills cut him in July or August, and cut him they will, no one else will have enough cap space set aside to give him in 2006 what he could have gotten if on the open market right now
Maybe, just maybe, the Birds are keeping a wad for when Moulds is actually cut later in the season. farg, a guy's gotta have hope.
More:
Quote
PLAYERS NEED TO GET IT WHILE IT'S FLOWING
As to any free-agent players out there who currently are considering offers from NFL teams, we've got a few words of advice.
Get paid. Now.
This year, like every other, the money is rolling out of the pockets of some owners in the early stages of free agency, and within the next couple of days the big money will be long gone.
Until next March.
As one league insider told us on Monday, "Get that f--king money and move because it will dry up as the hours go by."
Just take a gander at some of the big deals that already have been executed. A $10 million signing bonus for Brian Williams? Bonuses of $11.5 million for a No.3 wideout who returns kicks and periodically throws the ball?
Seven years and $49 million for an interior offensive lineman?
So why all of the money now? There are various things at play here. The Cardinals are opening a new stadium and trying desperately to sell tickets. The Vikings are trying to get that new stadium, and Zygi Wilf 's Triangle of Authority definitely needs to break from the poor image created over the past few years by Red's Axis of iceholes.
With the games still months away, the only way for any team to energize the fan base is to spend the money.
As to the taterskins . . . well, they're just the taterskins. They decide that they want a given player, and they'll overpay to get him.
But after landing defensive end Andre Carter, the 'Skins are now shutting off the faucet, and in other cities the free flow will soon be a trickle.
So get paid, guys. The best offer you can get now might be less than you wanted, but it's more than you'll get if you wait much longer.
That PFT.com is one bawdy news source.
I'm getting the feeling the Bills may hold Moulds for a while, in the hopes of a pre-draft trade. A trade the Eagles should make, but probably won't because they guard their draft picks like they're their children.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 13, 2006, 09:34:51 PM
Maybe, just maybe, the Birds are keeping a wad for when Moulds is actually cut later in the season. farg, a guy's gotta have hope.
No, no, don't even....no..god..no
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 13, 2006, 09:34:51 PM
As one league insider told us on Monday, "Get that f--king money and move because it will dry up as the hours go by."
League insider? Banner?
If the Eagles are trading for a receiver it had better be Walker.
Darwin?
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on March 13, 2006, 09:49:33 PM
That PFT.com is one bawdy news source.
I'm getting the feeling the Bills may hold Moulds for a while, in the hopes of a pre-draft trade. A trade the Eagles should make, but probably won't because they guard their draft picks like they're their children.
Actually, some (most) of the draft picks are children....mentally.
if only we knew for sure.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 13, 2006, 09:34:51 PM
Interesting Stuff from PFT.com regarding Moulds:
Quote
BILLS KEEPING MOULDS OFF OF THE MARKET
Surely frustrated as millions of dollars flow into the pockets of lesser players, Bills receiver Eric Moulds has asked to be traded or released.
"The Bills have put us in a position where we're at Option Z, and Option Z is to ask to be released," said Greg Johnson, according to The Associated Press. "It's a sad day. And we wish things could've worked out, but it's just not working out."
(Editor's note: What the f--k is Option Z?)
Moulds is scheduled to earn $7.1 million in 2006. He has refused multiple requests to restructure his deal.
So why haven't the Bills cut him?
Spite. Oh, they'll never admit it. "Our intention remains to keep Eric as a part of our team," G.M. Marv Levy said on Monday.
But we know what's happening, Marv. We know. The idea is to hang onto Moulds' rights for now, while all of the other guys eat at the March big money trough. By the time the Bills cut him in July or August, and cut him they will, no one else will have enough cap space set aside to give him in 2006 what he could have gotten if on the open market right now
Maybe, just maybe, the Birds are keeping a wad for when Moulds is actually cut later in the season. farg, a guy's gotta have hope.
More:
Quote
PLAYERS NEED TO GET IT WHILE IT'S FLOWING
As to any free-agent players out there who currently are considering offers from NFL teams, we've got a few words of advice.
Get paid. Now.
This year, like every other, the money is rolling out of the pockets of some owners in the early stages of free agency, and within the next couple of days the big money will be long gone.
Until next March.
As one league insider told us on Monday, "Get that f--king money and move because it will dry up as the hours go by."
Just take a gander at some of the big deals that already have been executed. A $10 million signing bonus for Brian Williams? Bonuses of $11.5 million for a No.3 wideout who returns kicks and periodically throws the ball?
Seven years and $49 million for an interior offensive lineman?
So why all of the money now? There are various things at play here. The Cardinals are opening a new stadium and trying desperately to sell tickets. The Vikings are trying to get that new stadium, and Zygi Wilf 's Triangle of Authority definitely needs to break from the poor image created over the past few years by Red's Axis of iceholes.
With the games still months away, the only way for any team to energize the fan base is to spend the money.
As to the taterskins . . . well, they're just the taterskins. They decide that they want a given player, and they'll overpay to get him.
But after landing defensive end Andre Carter, the 'Skins are now shutting off the faucet, and in other cities the free flow will soon be a trickle.
So get paid, guys. The best offer you can get now might be less than you wanted, but it's more than you'll get if you wait much longer.
Maybe the Eagles are playing it smart after all. After a couple of days to get over it, it seems Bentley was a Feit Accompli, and everyone else is spending money like the Bush Admin. so maybe waiting it out is the smart thing to do because they will be the only ones left to grab whatever's left.
Dio Displaced, the way they're going they will be able to sign and pay for every single FA left on the market. But don't worry. PG says that they'll definitely sign a WR and won't go into the season with a huge amount of money under the cap. So that's good I think
Quote from: rjs246 on March 13, 2006, 10:09:32 PM
Dio, the way ...
Don't insult
Displaced like that,
Jerk.
A thousand appologies, Displaced. Thanks for the correction, Hippy.
The Eagles really might be playing the WR thing smart. Givens still hasn't gotten an offer that suits him yet. Moulds may be availble in a couple months for much cheaper than he normally would have gone for, and Walker may still be available for a mid round pick before the draft.
Here are a couple of wild rumors for ya:
http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2630414&posted=1#post2630414
Quote from: PhillyFan on March 13, 2006, 10:34:00 PM
The Eagles really might be playing the WR thing smart. Givens still hasn't gotten an offer that suits him yet. Moulds may be availble in a couple months for much cheaper than he normally would have gone for, and Walker may still be available for a mid round pick before the draft.
Here are a couple of wild rumors for ya:
http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2630414&posted=1#post2630414
You know what?
Do it.
I hope it is true.
Michael Lewis = SAM LB.
He is best when he is up around the LOS anyways. And he can cover well enough to be a SAM LB.
I like it.
Quote from: PhillyFan on March 13, 2006, 10:34:00 PM
Here are a couple of wild rumors for ya:
http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2630414&posted=1#post2630414
I saw that earlier and got a good laugh out of it. No way Lewis is stout enough to play the SAM. He'd get mauled on running plays.
Lewis is listed at 6'1 222.
Lets say he bulked up to 230-235.
He could do it.
Lemar Marshall was a safety coming out of Michigan State and while on our PS in 1999. Now he's a MLB.
Cato June is 6'0 227 and was a safety at Michigan. Granted he is a WIL though.
Those are the only two DBs turned LBs I can think of right now. Maybe ge99 would know some more. But I think Mike could do it.
Carolina S, Thomas Davis (6'0", 231) has played some WIL for the Panthers... he was a safety coming out of Georgia. He may play there again now that Witherspoon is gone.
Ah, yes. I forgot about him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 12:53:01 AM
Lewis is listed at 6'1 222.
Lets say he bulked up to 230-235.
He could do it.
Lemar Marshall was a safety coming out of Michigan State and while on our PS in 1999. Now he's a MLB.
Cato June is 6'0 227 and was a safety at Michigan. Granted he is a WIL though.
Those are the only two DBs turned LBs I can think of right now. Maybe ge99 would know some more. But I think Mike could do it.
I could live with this. Let's do it!
That rumor has a really good chance of being true! Really!
I'd say a 0% chance.
But its something to talk about. I'm tired of talking about WRs.
So cram it. :-*
yeah lets just on a whim move our safety to another position instead of using the trillion dollars of cap space to get a real linebacker...definition of cheap bastiches
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 08:10:20 AM
I'm tired of talking about WRs.
Part of the rumor is that the Eagles are signing David Givens, pahtnah.
QuoteEagles | Agent says team interested in Buckner
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:56:01 -0800
Darin Gantt, of the Rock Hill Herald, reports the agent for free agent DT Brentson Buckner (Panthers) said the Philadelphia Eagles are one of three teams he has spoken to the most about interest in his client.
Hell yeah! I've been waiting to see the Eagles get back into the "Big Man Dance Challenge" since Hugh retired. :yay
Solid.
Buckner will be 35 in September.
For comparison's sake, Hollis Thomas just turned 32 in January.
Just don't do the gay ass chapstick commercial again, Brent.
Him and Rod Hood are tight as hell too. Rod lived with him for awhile and they share teh same agent and both went to Clemson
hes done
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 09:11:14 AM
Buckner will be 35 in September.
For comparison's sake, Hollis Thomas just turned 32 in January.
Yeah, but even at 23... Hollis couldn't do this. :yay
(http://www.patriotworld.com/Images2004c/nfl17c3_lower.jpg)
He's thirty-farking-five.
Veteran minimum? One year? I guess. That's about it, though.
Yeah, well you were worried about the Eagles using some of that cap room. There you go.
Walker
Patterson
Rayburn
Buckner
Bunkley
That would be solid. Buckner excels at occupying blockers. He is no 360 load like Ted Washington but he is pretty good. He was a very good player in Carolina.
He would allow the other DT and DEs to get to the QB and also help the run defense.
He is better than Hollis 35 or not.
QuoteHe is a veteran DT who has gotten better with age. After being somewhat of an underachiever early in his career, he now has excellent offseason workout habits and was really a team leader on the Panthers' defense. He was released for cap reasons but still has a couple of good years of solid play in him. He would be a great fit for a team needing an interior player to get over the hump and become a Super Bowl contender
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 14, 2006, 09:21:26 AM
Yeah, well you were worried about the Eagles using some of that cap room. There you go.
In this case, I'm more worried about a half-finished veteran taking the possible spot in a rotation or on the roster of a player with a ton more upside. But thanks for caring.
Hey, we're "buddies"... it's my job to care.
Cider St. parking lot represent!
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 14, 2006, 09:21:26 AM
Yeah, well you were worried about the Eagles using some of that cap room. There you go.
In this case, I'm more worried about a half-finished veteran taking the possible spot in a rotation or on the roster of a player with a ton more upside. But thanks for caring.
Hollis doesn't have a ton more upside.
Buckner > Hollis
Hollis just has a TON.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 09:34:51 AM
Cider St. parking lot represent!
You know how WE DO!
if the eagles are going balls out to win a superbowl this year or next, buckner would be a great signing, imo.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 09:44:03 AM
Hollis doesn't have a ton more upside.
Buckner > Hollis
I'm referring to guys the Eagles should be signing, like Bernard or Pickett... and guys they should look at drafting, like Ngata, Bunkley, or John McCargo.
But you knew that, dcik.
I honestly don't really care one way or the other. Buckner doesn't have much if anything left, but at this point, I consider him a trade for Hollis which at absolute worst is a lateral move.
And it's not like this move will deter them from going after a DT in the 1st round if that's what they were planning.
It tells me that they are planning to draft a DT high for sure.
If they weren;t then they'd be going after a pass rushing DT like Bernard. But since they aren't they are going to get Bunkley, Ngata, Watson, McCargo or someone like that.
So adding Buckner would replace Hollis and then adding another disruptive DT in the draft would upgrade the interior pass rush.
it's obvious they are signing Buckner so they have another DT when the Hollis/Walker trade goes through
if the eagles are going balls out to win a superbowl this year
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Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 14, 2006, 09:56:09 AM
it's obvious they are signing Buckner so they have another DT when the Hollis/Walker trade goes through
Cram it, doc.
Quote from: Dillen37 on March 13, 2006, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on March 13, 2006, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 03:58:04 PM
thats fine and like i said if they take him i wouldnt complain...but the way people talk about him on the board youd think he was some freak like veedee or mario williams
im not asking for ted washington type but i want more of a run stopping dt...they have enough pattersons...walkers...bunkleys rayburns ect....
I'd almost prefer Rod Wright to Bunckley.
Honestly, if you are serious I dont know what to say other then you are crazy. Rod Wright has done nothing in my eyes to warrant a day 1 pick besides his sophomore year, which was over 2 years ago.
School: Texas
Position: Defensive Tackle
Class: 2006
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 315lbs
Birthday: 7/31/84
Positives
-
Wright might be one of the most athletic big men in all of college football. He moves very well on his feet for a man of his size. Rod has been a starter and an anchor for the Longhorn defense since his freshman season. He has the rare combination of speed and strength that make him equally effective against both the pass and the run. Wright is willing and able to take on double teams to allow his teammates to make plays. He has good recognition instincts and is a very able wrap up tackler. Durability may be a slight question with him, but he has shown a willingness to play through pain. Wright has also developed into a team leader during his time in Texas.
Weaknesses
- Wright's production took a hit during his junior season when he suffered a serious ankle injury early on. He relies a bit too much on his strength and speed to penetrate the line. He will need to develop some hand moves to be truly effective against pro blockers. Wright has also been labeled as lazy in the past, but
that seems to be behind him now. Overall Analysis
- Wright is definitely an elite prospect that has the potential to be a truly dominating player at the next level. He already possesses all of the physical traits NFL personnel look for at his position, but he will need some refinement to become great. Even though he may need work, there is little doubt that Wright will make an immediate impact when he does become a pro. The slip in production during his junior season is still a concern though. His ability to effectively defend against both the run and the pass is rare and that alone will make him a hot commodity on draft day 2006.
Reminds You Of:
- Shaun Rogers
So he injures his ankle his junior year and his stock falls. He should fall to 14.
i just want a goddamn solid WR on teh team
Quote from: mussa on March 14, 2006, 10:03:20 AM
i just want a goddamn solid WR on teh team
Why? We've got the Pink coming back! :D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 14, 2006, 10:05:25 AM
Quote from: mussa on March 14, 2006, 10:03:20 AM
i just want a goddamn solid WR on teh team
Why? We've got the Pink coming back! :D
If I had an ice-pick right now, i'd jab it in your ear for thinking that.
POINT OF ATTACK!
Spads so far:
- "I want a WR to challenge Todd Pinkston. That injury is scary and can he come back? We don't know. I need a guy to challenge him"
- "I want a SAM LB"
- "I would go after Moulds if he is cut. Will the Eagles? I don't know."
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 14, 2006, 09:56:09 AM
it's obvious they are signing Buckner so they have another DT when the Hollis/Walker trade goes through
SunMo, I know I posted it and if this were only to be so true...Id take back all those cute things I said about you the other day. Walker would be a gift from the gods...a legit #1.
Buckner? Guys if you saw him last year, he was never available for games, always dealing with an injury on a consistent basis and is not even close as a force he was when that Carolina line dominated all of football. There is a reason behind that 35 year old body. That age is not meant for Defensive lineman....offensive yes, defensive...hell no.
$htein, bring in Willie McGinnest if thats the case....guys got a knack for the ball.
with pinky coming off the achilles explosion im giving these clowns the benefit of the doubt on moulds (dont ask me why cause i dont know)
i cant see a wr coming back from that injury the very next year or even at all
On Runyan:
"It appears that him coming back is looking more and more likely. He reportedly met with the Eagles yesterday before going on vacation"
But is the Schobel signing official?!?!?!?!?
If Reggie Brown gets hurt and Pinkston cant recovery fully from injury... the Eagles starting WR's are Greg Lewis and Billy McMullen. ha.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 10:16:42 AM
But is the Schobel signing official?!?!?!?!?
Hope he's not from Cleveland.
u need the ice-pick too
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 10:15:54 AM
On Runyan:
"It appears that him coming back is looking more and more likely. He reportedly met with the Eagles yesterday before going on vacation"
And we pray.
Buckner would be an awful signing, I'd rather just keep Hollis if it meant bringing his slow, old as in here. Unless I missed it Bernard's still out there, he's a perfect fit for this defense and fills an immediate need. Why isn't he an option again?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 10:12:25 AM
Spads so far:
- "I want a WR to challenge Todd Pinkston. That injury is scary and can he come back? We don't know. I need a guy to challenge him"
- "I want a SAM LB"
- "I would go after Moulds if he is cut. Will the Eagles? I don't know."
Marv Leavy might actually be doing us a favor here by holding on to him. Im guessing/praying the Birds are waiting to put the hammer on this Moulds thing.....they know they have to have someone compete for the #1. You'd be foolish to have a 2nd year guy as your #1 receiver if you want to go to the Super Bowl.......bring the thunder Birds...pull the trigger on Moulds when he gets cut for the love of....!!
If Reggie Brown gets hurt and Pinkston cant recovery fully from injury
hell if pinky doesnt come back and brown doesnt get hurt the wr's are pathetic...thats why i cant imagine the FO not bringing in someone big
for the record pinky is not coming back even close to 100%...you think he couldnt get off the line before wait ill he trys it on a blown up achilles...part of it will be mental opart will be physical but he shouldnt be relied on for anything this year...and thats if it doesnt go kaboom again which is a good possibility on its own
linebackers 2006 = wide recievers 2003
except for the fact that wide recievers 2006 also = wide recievers 2003
not good
Wait, so are we going to get James Thrash and Freddie Mitchell back to get in there and compete at WIL?
it's not literal, douche.
it's the level of talent at those positions in those years
front office 2006 = front office 2003
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 14, 2006, 10:23:48 AM
it's not literal, douche.
It wasn't?!?!? Oh, man! I really thought it was! You got me good!11 zPlease ban me, I have nothing to contribute.GG!!! Wow! How witty!!
*cyber hug*
Quote from: Diomedes on March 14, 2006, 09:08:45 AM
QuoteEagles | Agent says team interested in Buckner
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:56:01 -0800
Darin Gantt, of the Rock Hill Herald, reports the agent for free agent DT Brentson Buckner (Panthers) said the Philadelphia Eagles are one of three teams he has spoken to the most about interest in his client.
the Rock Hill Herald needs to stick with reporting on nascar and goat fu$king. He aint coming here! Its a way to drive up his value....
I would shtein my pants if the Eagles got Brentson Buckner.
in a good way, or a bad way?
in a good way...hes one of thsoe easy to please eagle fans
plus i cant imagine someone getting that upset over brenston buckner
Or maybe I'm just bored with this topic and all of you and am entertaining myself by typing stupid shtein out on a message board.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 10:38:43 AM
in a good way...hes one of thsoe easy to please eagle fans
plus i cant imagine someone getting that upset over brenston buckner
It wont be a good way if the guy is brought in, takes a rotation spot, plays 3 games and is hurt the rest of the year with the "infamous" tricep tear or pulled hammy. Eagles fans will flatten his tires then.
Keep Hollis that fat meatball.......
if you lose Hollis and Grasmanis you gotta replace em with an old blob. Might as well be Buckner.
Quote from: reese125 on March 14, 2006, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 10:38:43 AM
in a good way...hes one of thsoe easy to please eagle fans
plus i cant imagine someone getting that upset over brenston buckner
It wont be a good way if the guy is brought in, takes a rotation spot, plays 3 games and is hurt the rest of the year with the "infamous" tricep tear or pulled hammy. Eagles fans will flatten his tires then.
Keep Hollis that fat meatball.......
Right, because Hollis never has any injury problems.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 14, 2006, 10:46:48 AM
Or maybe I'm just bored with this topic and all of you and am entertaining myself by typing stupid shtein out on a message board.
i think you just shtein your pants a lot, but buckner would justify it, this one time. mr. poopypants.
"At this point, it's a trio of Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, and Greg Lewis."
Super!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 14, 2006, 10:46:48 AM
Or maybe I'm just bored with this topic and all of you and am entertaining myself by typing stupid shtein out on a message board.
Have another Vicodin Jags fan. :boo
Eat my shtein-stained shorts, Mr. Stares-At-T.O.-Video-Highlights-Stark-Naked.
Once again Dave didn't dismiss replacing Dhani...
I sure hope they have something in mind.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 14, 2006, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 14, 2006, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 10:38:43 AM
in a good way...hes one of thsoe easy to please eagle fans
plus i cant imagine someone getting that upset over brenston buckner
It wont be a good way if the guy is brought in, takes a rotation spot, plays 3 games and is hurt the rest of the year with the "infamous" tricep tear or pulled hammy. Eagles fans will flatten his tires then.
Keep Hollis that fat meatball.......
Right, because Hollis never has any injury problems.
My point exactly, its a wash...hes younger, could get lucky, so keep hoagie boy.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 14, 2006, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 10:15:54 AM
On Runyan:
"It appears that him coming back is looking more and more likely. He reportedly met with the Eagles yesterday before going on vacation"
And we pray.
Buckner would be an awful signing, I'd rather just keep Hollis if it meant bringing his slow, old as in here. Unless I missed it Bernard's still out there, he's a perfect fit for this defense and fills an immediate need. Why isn't he an option again?
I'd prefer a content Bucknor than an unhappy Hollis.
Excuse me but wtf does Hollis Thomas have to be unhappy about?
He's lasted in the league for 10 years and has been employed by a team that could have easily cut his fat ass a dozen times over the years due to injury (lingering or otherwise) or just plain lack of production.
Look, I like Hollis and I think he's a positive influence in the locker room but the bottom line is if someone better is available then Hollis has to go. If he catches on with another team, that's great, but it's not as if the Eagles would be losing an indispensible part of the team if he left. He's nothing more than a role player at this point, so if he's pissed off about the Eagles not paying him like a starter, then that's too fricken bad.
two words "SHOW BOAT"
Maybe the Eagles will trade T.O. for a 5th and then make an offer to RFA Hunter Hillenmeyer. Holla!
Titans signed WR David Givens to a five-year, $24 million contract, with an $8 million signing bonus.
Seeing this only makes me believe more now that the Eagles front office is slicker than we think. These 2 guys--El and Givens are no way worth the cash they got! The teams that signed them are desperate for wins and some kind of talent to throw to.
Randel El is a complimentary reciever at best and Givens is the same with a little more upside. Both went the season last years scoreless in many many occasions with no balls caught and the QB throwing his ass off. Whats that tell ya, they cant get open enought o warrant cash like this garbage. Good Job Birds....
I know we are severely anxious for a birth, but patience will bring us some glory.
Both went the season last years scoreless in many many occasions with no balls caught and the QB throwing his ass off
what are you talking about.....pittsburgh throws less than the eagles run
and who are you to say they are overpaid...if either came to the eagles it would drastically improve their wr's...thats all you should be worried about
HOLLA@!!@IGY! Tell em how it is!
Jeff Lurie Comments (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-03142006-626256.html)
an interesting portion:
Quote"I think you look around the league and you find that the teams that make the right evaluations and make the smart decisions, whether it be the Patriots, Steelers or us, it's a much smarter way to go."
one of these things is not like the other....
yeah the Eagles havnt won a Superbowl and Lurie shouldnt lump the Eagles in with teams that have... Nobody has to agree with him, but we all know what he means even if it is said poorly.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 14, 2006, 01:11:03 PM
Jeff Lurie Comments (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-03142006-626256.html)
an interesting portion:
Quote"I think you look around the league and you find that the teams that make the right evaluations and make the smart decisions, whether it be the Patriots, Steelers or us, it's a much smarter way to go."
one of these things is not like the other....
nothing wrong with what he said.
would you rather he compare himself to the brown or bidwell family?
youve just come off your worst season in years...with the 5th largest cash pile under the cap...do you do EVERYTHING possible to:
a) sign the best player in FA...a center in his prime who would stop the jailbreak up the middle and make your whole line immediately better
b) take a chance and overspend on one of several linebackers to sure up the 29th ranked defense.
c) trade for one of a couple disgruntled pro bowl wr's to compliment and possibly mentor reggie brown
d) sign a back up tight end and an injured 31 year old linebacker and "see what shakes out down the road"
you are jeffery lurie....sensing the fanbase is restless...you make a condescending speech preaching patience...and that football teams that make big splashes in free agency never win the SB...since you and your organization has never won one of these...this action can be best defined as:
a) prophetic
b) hopeful
c) insightful
d) vomit inducing
mostly vomit inducing unless they re-sign Runyan and GET MOULDS! holler.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 14, 2006, 01:13:30 PM
nothing wrong with what he said.
would you rather he compare himself to the brown or Bidwill family?
i'd rather him not talk about how smart they are until they actually win a Super Bowl. like the other teams mentioned.
I'd also point out that the year they spent $$$ for Kearse and TO, they went to the Super Bowl....
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 14, 2006, 01:26:51 PM
I'd also point out that the year they spent $$$ for Kearse and TO, they went to the Super Bowl....
TO and Kearse had nothing to do with it. Dont you remember Pinkston led the NFL in yards per catch? duh.
since moulds is being asked to be released i think it makes sense to wait on that. i would much rather have walker or moulds over randle el or givesn, preferrably walker (more upside). they have a solid DE now to compliment Kearse, so i want them to to target Oline, Dline, and a FB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 01:17:32 PM
youve just come off your worst season in years...with the 5th largest cash pile under the cap...do you do EVERYTHING possible to:
a) sign the best player in FA...a center in his prime who would stop the jailbreak up the middle and make your whole line immediately better
b) take a chance and overspend on one of several linebackers to sure up the 29th ranked defense.
c) trade for one of a couple disgruntled pro bowl wr's to compliment and possibly mentor reggie brown
d) sign a back up tight end and an injured 31 year old linebacker and "see what shakes out down the road"
you are jeffery lurie....sensing the fanbase is restless...you make a condescending speech preaching patience...and that football teams that make big splashes in free agency never win the SB...since you and your organization has never won one of these...this action can be best defined as:
a) prophetic
b) hopeful
c) insightful
d) vomit inducing
My brotha I've gotta take issue with you here.
We were never a factor in getting Bentley. He wanted to go home.
LB's are not important in this D if the front 4 are getting a push.
Mawae is still out there.
He is correct about teams with the big splash in FA. You don't have to win the SB to realize that.
Runyan is absolutely the biggest signing the Eagles need.
And face it. Even if the fan base is restless, the Linc will still sell out and us idiots will still buy the merch.
Quote from: stalker on March 14, 2006, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 01:17:32 PM
youve just come off your worst season in years...with the 5th largest cash pile under the cap...do you do EVERYTHING possible to:
a) sign the best player in FA...a center in his prime who would stop the jailbreak up the middle and make your whole line immediately better
b) take a chance and overspend on one of several linebackers to sure up the 29th ranked defense.
c) trade for one of a couple disgruntled pro bowl wr's to compliment and possibly mentor reggie brown
d) sign a back up tight end and an injured 31 year old linebacker and "see what shakes out down the road"
you are jeffery lurie....sensing the fanbase is restless...you make a condescending speech preaching patience...and that football teams that make big splashes in free agency never win the SB...since you and your organization has never won one of these...this action can be best defined as:
a) prophetic
b) hopeful
c) insightful
d) vomit inducing
My brotha I've gotta take issue with you here.
We were never a factor in getting Bentley. He wanted to go home.
LB's are not important in this D if the front 4 are getting a push.
Mawae is still out there.
He is correct about teams with the big splash in FA. You don't have to win the SB to realize that.
Runyan is absolutely the biggest signing the Eagles need.
And face it. Even if the fan base is restless, the Linc will still sell out and us idiots will still buy the merch.
Mawae was signed today.
LBs are important. I don't know why it's such a popular company line to reiterate the LBs are meaningless in the Eagles scheme. Sure it helps if the DLine is getting ample push up the middle, but to say that LBs are insigificant is a fallacy to me.
And yes, Runyan needs to be re-signed I believe.
I was poking around on the EMB, and saw this pic in a Chad Lewis thread, and it made me laugh pretty good.
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3312/alewiswebaction1uh.jpg)
That's Chad Lewis, a TE who never impressed with his YAC numbers, jumping over a LB to gain some yards after the catch. Look closely at who the LB is.
I'll give you a hint....Dhani Jones.
Point is, they could have the best front four in all of the NFL, that doesn't make Dhani a decent SAM.
that pic is one for the ages.
wow! Stop, jump and fly!
WR McCANTS SIGNS 1-YEAR DEAL (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=45792)
Color me thrilled.
On my way out the door to buy some razor blades, Drano, rope, cyanide......................... :boom
Well, at least our WR corps won't be lacking from a male model aspect.
This move sickens me because it leads me to believe that they may not address WR again until the draft, which is infuriating. More than infuriating. It makes me want to uppercut someone. Preferably urmom.
Oh, no! The Eagles re-signed a special teams guy.
The horror!!1!@#$%
Oh boy! I can hear it now
"With a full training camp under his belt going into the season, McCants is primed for a breakout season!"
I have no problems with McCants. Anything that gets Wilbur off the roster ...
Quote from: NorCalBirdz on March 15, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
Oh boy! I can hear it now
"With a full training camp under his belt going into the season, McCants is primed for a breakout season!"
Actually, Dave's response was better than expected:
QuoteIs McCants the answer? Is that a serious question?
(http://www.singlesspreeforcharity.com/images/d_mccants.jpg)
meh...once he learns the offense, he's probably better than greg lewis or a hobbled pinkston.
Quote from: hunt on March 15, 2006, 02:27:35 PM
(http://www.singlesspreeforcharity.com/images/d_mccants.jpg)
meh...once he learns the offense, he's probably better than greg lewis or a hobbled pinkston.
Probably so, that's why I can't see why people would be upset with this.
He'll be the #4 guy once Pinkston shows in camp that he's done.
Oh boy! I can hear it now
"With a full training camp under his belt going into the season, McCants is primed for a breakout season!"
on point like a needle
once again the system will make the player not the the other way around
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/bellyitcher/panic.jpg)
You people are just too farging much.
Go read MMH's (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18034.msg392810#msg392810) post in some other thread. He's dead-on...
Yes, boo to the low-end depth move. Boo.
Yes, boo to the low-end depth move. Boo
its not that....its mccants mcmullen and whatever other scrubbs they appear to be going with to put along with lewis pinky and reggie
now if they go out and get moulds or to a lesser degree walker and another solid wr like a gaffney then we will have to re-evaluate the wr situation...but until then its super ugly and deserves to be treated that way
Just because the big moves aren't being made doesn't mean they don't get to make the little moves either.
sometimes the little moves paint the bigger picture...is mccants gonna be a special teamer/extra wr
or is he here to try and compete with all the other bums for the #2/3 wr spot...someone who can step in for pinky when his achilles goes boom again
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 02:46:25 PM
sometimes the little moves paint the bigger picture...is mccants gonna be a special teamer/extra wr
or is he here to try and compete with all the other bums for the #2/3 wr spot...someone who can step in for pinky when his achilles goes boom again
how about both.
then we are in implosion mode
if he beats out lewis or pinkston for the #3 wr spot, good for him....if not, special teams.
of course i still want a real wr to start with brown.
Considering he couldn't even stay on the roster last year, I'm not going to hold out hope that he beats out the might Pinkston for a starting job or even the slot position..
Dude... the offense is complex. It takes a receiver eight, nine years to understand it.
Give him a chance, will ya!?!
has jonathen wells been signed
i think that would be a great FA signing for the 'big back' position...he can catch the ball....work as a fullback if you want...and is a great special teams guy
if not, special teams.
The Eagles are not looking to sign any big running backs or fullbacks. They're totally set with Buckhalter, Tapeh, Parry, and Spach getting in there and competing. Should be quite the training camp battle!
here's a blurb about wells that basically says nothing.
QuoteTexans | Wells would like to return, but could go elsewhere
Mon, 6 Mar 2006 01:11:09 -0800
Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Houston Texans RB Jonathan Wells, a soon-to-be free agent, said he would like to return to the Texans now that Gary Kubiak is their head coach. However, with the team deep at running back and possibly looking to draft RB Reggie Bush (USC) with the No. 1 pick overall, he may command more money and playing time elsewhere.
QuoteTexans | Wells would like to return, but could go elsewhere
Brilliant reporting.
dook is a beast...he is almost unstoppable in short yardage situations....yet can really catch the ball if needed
You've been all over the place with your opinions on this Dook fellow for months now. Make up your scrambled mind.
why would they sign a guy to play special teams when he has been known to not want to play special teams?
Megan Manfull
:-D
Apparently Adam Schefter said the Eagles have called and shown interest in Arrington today. I would doubt it, but he said it casually a couple weeks ago about Darren Howard and he was right.
Cross your fingers.
God its disturbing how fired up I get for every goddamn rumor I hear.
That's expected when your SAM plays an air guitar and has an answering machine about life's meaning.
People still have answering machines?
Dhani and George Costanza are the only ones left.
"Believe it or not, Dhani isn't at home. Please leave a message at the beep. I must be out or I'd answer my phone. Where could I be?"
my wife has a friend froma yoga class who has some funny stories about Dhani Jones and his dating, and intimate pleasures...
beat the hell out of dinner with mark eckle.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 15, 2006, 07:44:05 PM
Apparently Adam Schefter said the Eagles have called and shown interest in Arrington today. I would doubt it, but he said it casually a couple weeks ago about Darren Howard and he was right.
Cross your fingers.
I heard Schefter say that on TV, so this rumor is :CF approved.
The good news about this situation is if the Eagles, Bengals and Giants all expressed interest, the Eagles have the money advantage and the NFC East advantage which is where he wants to play.
It seems too good to be true. Not because Lavar Arrington is the next LT, but because this team does NOT give a damn about LBs.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 15, 2006, 08:14:25 PM
my wife has a friend froma yoga class who has some funny stories about Dhani Jones and his dating, and intimate pleasures...
beat the hell out of dinner with mark eckle.
details, I want details!
Two/Three things working for us with Arrington:
1. He hates the Skins and has (2) stated he would like to stay in the East
2. Trotter's endorsement. May not mean much but I don't think it hurts.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2006, 08:41:37 PM
Two/Three things working for us with Arrington:
1. He hates the Skins and has (2) stated he would like to stay in the East
2. Trotter's endorsement. May not mean much but I don't think it hurts.
Trotter is the king of endorsements. And as his sponsor, I endorse his endorsements.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 15, 2006, 08:42:21 PMTrotter is the king of endorsements. And as his sponsor, I endorse his endorsements.
That was beautiful.
As McNabb's sponsor, I say get us some damn linemen!
Things working against Arrington:
1. He's a moron and might be uncoachable.
2. The Eagles have literally never paid an LB anything close to what Arrington will want/get.
3. Trotter also thought T.O. could be reinstated, and everyone would kiss and make up.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 15, 2006, 08:43:41 PM
Things working against Arrington:
1. He's a moron and might be uncoachable.
2. The Eagles have literally never paid an LB anything close to what Arrington will want/get.
3. Trotter also thought T.O. could be reinstated, and everyone would kiss and make up.
Jeremiah Trotter:
Heart of gold.
Head of lead.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/PPMFBAEMBOFN/trotterwayneexchanfe8-10-04.jpg)
Trotter is an idiot. Arrington is an idiot.
Maybe together they'll cancel each other out and form teh smrtest LinebAceRs evar!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 15, 2006, 08:45:43 PM
Jeremiah Trotter:
Heart of gold.
Head of lead.
:cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead
Chopper of wood.
That picture looks like he has two white fingers or a claw growing out' his tit.
Quote from: hbionic on March 15, 2006, 08:49:10 PM
That picture looks like he has two white fingers or a claw growing out' his tit.
He's just happy to see you, Hbionic.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 08:46:45 PM
Trotter is an idiot. Arrington is an idiot.
Maybe together they'll cancel each other out and form teh smrtest LinebAceRs evar!
Three sentences.
:yay
You may be making friends with reese163439294689qw
...and so am I. Now, time to clip the fingernails off these tit fingers I've developed.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 15, 2006, 08:53:22 PM
Three sentences.
You may be making friends with reese163439294689qw
Better go back to one sentence posts, then.
I didn't feel like checking Philly.com for it, but apparently Brookover reported that the Patriots are interested in Runyan...
Quote from: Don Ho on March 15, 2006, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 15, 2006, 08:14:25 PM
my wife has a friend froma yoga class who has some funny stories about Dhani Jones and his dating, and intimate pleasures...
beat the hell out of dinner with mark eckle.
details, I want details!
in due time.
funny shtein though...gonna make sure i have the story straight tonight
McCants = good depth signing.
Another good thing about Arrington:
One of his douchebag dumbass agents got suspended for screwing up his contract in 2003. Carl Poston has a 2 year suspension. Now nly Kevin Poston is running the Poston Brothers Screwup Agency.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 15, 2006, 09:34:28 PM
I didn't feel like checking Philly.com for it, but apparently Brookover reported that the Patriots are interested in Runyan...
Not sure where he said that....its nowhere on philly.com
It's probably embedded in one of his articles way at the bottom in the notes sections. KFFL will pick up on them. So if he said Tampa, Houston and even NE could be interetsed KFFL will print 3 of those little blurbs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2006, 10:20:33 PM
It's probably embedded in one of his articles way at the bottom in the notes sections. KFFL will pick up on them. So if he said Tampa, Houston and even NE could be interetsed KFFL will print 3 of those little blurbs.
No, its not. I just checked all of his recent articles for that.
Patriots | Team might have interest in Runyan
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:19:09 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the New England Patriots might have interest in free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles).
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2006, 10:48:56 PM
Patriots | Team might have interest in Runyan
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:19:09 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the New England Patriots might have interest in free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles).
If the Eagles don't even re-sign Runyan back, I will be... concerned for Donovan's safety.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 15, 2006, 08:53:22 PM
Three sentences.
You may be making friends with reese163439294689qw
Better go back to one sentence posts, then.
You love me Rjs, face it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2006, 10:48:56 PM
Patriots | Team might have interest in Runyan
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:19:09 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the New England Patriots might have interest in free agent OT Jon Runyan (Eagles).
Again, did a SEARCH on philly.com for where he said that and there is NOTHING.
well the Eagles obviously dont have to worry about signing another DT, Bernard and Pickett are off the market! Resign Runyan already would ya!
Get Sam Adams and Grady Jax? :P
LB MARKET HEATING UP
The two top defensive free agents are both 27-year-old Pro Bowl, playmaking linebackers -- LaVar Arrington, formerly of Washington, and Julian Peterson, formerly of San Francisco.
But the market on each looks like it's heating up.
When healthy, who wouldn't want a LaVar Arrington that can get 80 tackles a season?
The Giants have been anxious to add Arrington, knowing he could be the centerpiece of their defense. But they're going to have to outbid Arrington's former defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis and the Cincinnati Bengals; the Miami Dolphins, whose linebacker coach George Edwards already has coached Arrington to two Pro Bowls; the Philadelphia Eagles, who have been monitoring Arrington's whereabouts on an almost daily basis; and the Jacksonville Jaguars.
http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9310832
Uh, OK, so what's preventing us from pulling the trigger? I'm not buying the Arrington hype.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 15, 2006, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 15, 2006, 09:34:28 PM
I didn't feel like checking Philly.com for it, but apparently Brookover reported that the Patriots are interested in Runyan...
Not sure where he said that....its nowhere on philly.com
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14108718.htm
QuoteExtra points. The Eagles re-signed wide receiver Darnerien McCants to a one-year deal yesterday. McCants appeared in 12 games with the Eagles last season, primarily on special teams, and had five catches for 87 yards... . There are rumblings that the New England Patriots may have an interest in Eagles right tackle Jon Runyan.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 15, 2006, 07:44:05 PM
Apparently Adam Schefter said the Eagles have called and shown interest in Arrington today. I would doubt it, but he said it casually a couple weeks ago about Darren Howard and he was right.
Cross your fingers.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e259/DJ_Estasi/Arrington.jpg)
Here's what I get from Arrington. He's expressed interest in playing for the Eagles and would like to be reunited with Trotter. The Eagles have a deal out there for him that's probably not either A) the length he was looking for or B) the money he thinks he's worth. Arrington is shopping around looking for something better. It's sort of like what we did with Burress last season.
well, considering they just called to set up a visit late yesterday, who knows if the Eagles have even made any decisions....let alone Arrington.
Do we know if they actually set up a visit, or if they simply called to let his agent(s) know that there is some level of interest there?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 16, 2006, 08:05:25 AM
Do we know if they actually set up a visit, or if they simply called to let his agent(s) know that there is some level of interest there?
Inky says he's an Eagle. (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14108715.htm)
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 16, 2006, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 16, 2006, 08:05:25 AM
Do we know if they actually set up a visit, or if they simply called to let his agent(s) know that there is some level of interest there?
Inky says he's an Eagle. (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14108715.htm)
I was talking about Arrington.
Oh yeah...
All I heard on NFL Network was Schefter saying that the Eagles are one of about 5 teams that have called Arrington's agent, expressing interest.
god id love to bag arrington...hes the exact kind of athlete playmaking phreak they need
the whole runyan thing is just baffling to me...
are they not interested at all cause they have more than enough money to get him
are they planning big moves down the road moulds...arrington...others and dont think they can afford runyan too...
do they know runyan wants to come back so bad that they believe they have him in a tough spot and can get him whenever they want....
do they have a verbal deal with him now...but dont want to do it until they can get some other guys in first and see hwo the money shakes out
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 08:11:47 AM
the whole runyan thing is just baffling to me...
are they not interested at all cause they have more than enough money to get him
are they planning big moves down the road moulds...arrington...others and dont think they can afford runyan too...
do they know runyan wants to come back so bad that they believe they have him in a tough spot and can get him whenever they want....
do they have a verbal deal with him now...but dont want to do it until they can get some other guys in first and see hwo the money shakes out
He decided to go on vacation. The Eagles are the only team he met with, and it was a brief meeting, because he had a flight to catch. It would seem that the Eagles plan to bring him back in, just as soon as he's back in the actual country.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 16, 2006, 03:57:53 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 15, 2006, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 15, 2006, 09:34:28 PM
I didn't feel like checking Philly.com for it, but apparently Brookover reported that the Patriots are interested in Runyan...
Not sure where he said that....its nowhere on philly.com
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14108718.htm
QuoteExtra points. The Eagles re-signed wide receiver Darnerien McCants to a one-year deal yesterday. McCants appeared in 12 games with the Eagles last season, primarily on special teams, and had five catches for 87 yards... . There are rumblings that the New England Patriots may have an interest in Eagles right tackle Jon Runyan.
That article was not posted at the time I was looking. It was an article scheduled for today and wasn't up there until AFTER I searched.
Meanwhile....that is about the least credible sounding shtein I've ever heard. "There are rumblings" "may have an interest"
Why even bother putting that in there. I hate the media.
Why even bother putting that in there. I hate the media
unless they say something you like or agree with...then the quotes a thread starter
There is no legitimacy to it whatsoever. All its there for is to start people talking (whining).
I would love for Schefter to be right. Arrington here = sweet.
Absolutely.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2006, 09:09:18 AM
I would love for Schefter to be right. Arrington here = sweet.
IMO, expressing interest in Arrington = Howie R. calling Poston's secretary and telling her that they'd be willing to give him a one-year deal at the minimum to "get in and compete" with Dhani Jones.
You're probably right.
But it still would be sweet.
I'm not totally sold on Arrington being able to play in JJ's defense, but I'll say this... he's light years better than Dhani Jones.
If the Eagles have the opportunity to grab him up, they should definitely go for it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 16, 2006, 09:54:18 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2006, 09:09:18 AM
I would love for Schefter to be right. Arrington here = sweet.
IMO, expressing interest in Arrington = Howie R. calling Poston's secretary and telling her that they'd be willing to give him a one-year deal at the minimum to "get in and compete" with Dhani Jones.
Sad, but probably true. :-D
I read this and thought it was worth sharing:
QuoteWednesday, March 15, 2006
Mr. T has interest in signing with the Philadelphia Eagles as the Eagles are one of the few teams pursuing a fullback. Mr. T is scheduled to visit the NovaCare Complex on Friday, March 17, 2006
Wednesday, March 15, 2006
Bea Arthur has been contacted by the Philadelphia Eagles. The interest in having Bea as a long snapper is an attractive idea indeed. Place Kicker David Akers is representing Arthur during any prospective contract negotiations.
Wednesday, March 15, 2006
Rick Flair has been contacted by the Philadelphia Eagles regarding a possible contract. Flair is an accomplished cheap shot artist and the Eagles are in need of a tough WR, so the pairing would make sense considering the cap friendly numbers that Flair is expected to demand.
Wednesday, March 15, 2006
Nubbs Keebler, formerly of the Keebler Elves is to visit the NovaCare Complex to discuss possible employment with the Philadelphia Eagles. Keebler is expect to fill a glaring hole at WR. Drew Rosenhosen is the current agent for Keebler, but may be fired in the coming hours.
F
Yeah, not a worthy effort.
Those are the types of moves the team has been making. I didn't feel it was worthy of putting my own hilarious spin on it, but rather the imagery of Mr. T, Bea Arthur, Ric Flair, and the Keebler elf all visiting NovaCare, and Reid saying in the press conference that they're "good players" and "good people" just made me snarf slightly.
nevermind
Bob Brookover in today's column said the Eagles think they are set at receiver. The only thing possibly they may add in free agency is a SAM and possibly re-sign Runyan.
Take it for what it's worth.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14117919.htm
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 17, 2006, 03:22:45 AM
Bob Brookover in today's column said the Eagles think they are set at receiver. The only thing possibly they may add in free agency is a SAM and possibly re-sign Runyan.
Take it for what it's worth.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14117919.htm
FWIW is right. Brookover was the first one to "report" the Bentley deal being done from the very start. He was the source everyone got the info from.
FWIW is right. Brookover was the first one to "report" the Bentley deal being done from the very start. He was the source everyone got the info from.
he like eckel got their info from sources within the eagles...if you dont think the eagles thought they had a deal with bently then your love of the front office and/or hatred of the media is more powerful than i even imagined
nothing else heard on the Arrington front?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 08:00:57 AM
FWIW is right. Brookover was the first one to "report" the Bentley deal being done from the very start. He was the source everyone got the info from.
he like eckel got their info from sources within the eagles...if you dont think the eagles thought they had a deal with bently then your love of the front office and/or hatred of the media is more powerful than i even imagined
Could've gotten it from the agent too...just to pump up interest in his guy. Agents love to leak stuff. But I'm sure the Eagles leaked some too. Well, we know the Eagles thought they had him.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 17, 2006, 08:22:16 AM
nothing else heard on the Arrington front?
Schefter said on NFL Network last night that the Dolphins are making a push for either Arrington or Peterson. He also mentioned San Diego, and said that if neither of them work out, LaVar would probably just sign with Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati. No mention of the Eagles at all.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 17, 2006, 08:34:26 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 08:00:57 AM
FWIW is right. Brookover was the first one to "report" the Bentley deal being done from the very start. He was the source everyone got the info from.
he like eckel got their info from sources within the eagles...if you dont think the eagles thought they had a deal with bently then your love of the front office and/or hatred of the media is more powerful than i even imagined
Could've gotten it from the agent too...just to pump up interest in his guy. Agents love to leak stuff. But I'm sure the Eagles leaked some too. Well, we know the Eagles thought they had him.
Eckel's source was NOT the Eagles.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 17, 2006, 03:22:45 AM
Bob Brookover in today's column said the Eagles think they are set at receiver. The only thing possibly they may add in free agency is a SAM and possibly re-sign Runyan.
Take it for what it's worth.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14117919.htm
I read that this morning and thought it was good to see. I have a feeling that they could take a shot at Peterson but are waiting until the Poston who wasn't suspended comes down on the prices.
If you notice, none of the Postons big time clients have signed. Arrington is still out there. Charles Woodson hasn't had a sniff and Peterson is still out there.
If by some miracle they did grab Peterson and re-signed Runyan I would be happy with the FA pull they've made.
If by some miracle they did grab Peterson and re-signed Runyan I would be happy with the FA pull they've made.
getting peterson would almost make up for their wr corps...if runyan and peterson/arrington happen there isnt much i could complian about
Pretty much. They've filled some holes. If they get Jon back and add a stud SAM to go along with a nice draft I will be very excited.
Peterson-Trotter-Barber = pretty damn good.
The defense would be shutdown.
i'd still complain.
they didn't upgrade the o-line at all.
Quote from: hunt on March 17, 2006, 08:58:54 AM
i'd still complain.
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I think they have to consider themselves set at WR for now. If the Packers get closer to the start of the season and Walker isn't flinching, maybe you take a look there. Once the Bills drop Moulds, you want to gauge interest. But there's certainly no one else on the FA market worth adding.
I hope to God they get Peterson or Arrington. I don't care if they spend all their first day picks on defensive linemen... it doesn't change the fact that Dhani Jones is an extremely average player at best.
As for the OL, not signing Runyan at this point would be completely unacceptable. He is the best FA out there, and he wants to come back. It would be a disservice to the whole offense, fan base, and Runyan if he's allowed to sign elsewhere. The rest of the line is shaky enough as it is, for Chrissakes. It sounds more and more like they may go with Herremans and Clarke competing at LG and Jackson and Fraley at C. Yippee!
Quote from: hunt on March 17, 2006, 08:58:54 AM
i'd still complain.
they didn't upgrade the o-line at all.
They could still address that in the draft. Of course, we're talking about free agency, so I'd have to agree with you.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 17, 2006, 09:04:05 AM
Quote from: hunt on March 17, 2006, 08:58:54 AM
i'd still complain.
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i guess you're okay with bringing back the same exact o-line that wasn't very good last season.
i'm not.
sure, they can draft a couple o-linemen but i don't expect that to have an impact on this season...oh well.
They could still address that in the draft
theyve taken seven OL in the draft the last two years and what has that done for them going into this season
even at 14 whoever they would get would not come in and upgrade the line this year
I'd like to know how the FO is evaluating UFA OG Stephen Neal of the Pats. He started at RG for the Patriots the last couple of years, and we all know how stout the center of their OL has been. He will be turning the magic number of 30 during the season, but since he hasn't signed anywhere yet...
Eh, farg it. Apparently they just want Donovan to get killed.
Quote from: hunt on March 17, 2006, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 17, 2006, 09:04:05 AM
Quote from: hunt on March 17, 2006, 08:58:54 AM
i'd still complain.
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i guess you're okay with bringing back the same exact o-line that wasn't very good last season.
i'm not.
sure, they can draft a couple o-linemen but i don't expect that to have an impact on this season...oh well.
Um, there would be changes, Hunt.
Let's say they sign Runyan;
Tra
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
Now when the season started Thomas was out of shape because of the blood clot stuff, Artis Hicks played poorly at LG, Fraley was getting pimped at C.
Tra is supposedly healthy now. If his back isn't good, then the slide Herremans out to LT and Clarke to LG.
The Herremans-Clarke-Jackson-Andrews-Runyan OL late in the year was pretty good.
And if Tra is healthy, they have a better C and a better LG than Hicks and Fraley.
they might shuffle the deck a little but they'll have the same exact deck of cards.
that's not an upgrade, imo.
Ok.
You're right. The OL minus Fraley and Hicks sucked last year.
Call it whatever you want. But no Fraley and no Hicks starting is a good thing.
but phreak one of those guys you gotta hope stays healthy the other three you gotta hope are good...four of five ifs on the OL is not a nice feeling
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 17, 2006, 09:16:54 AM
Ok.
You're right. The OL minus Fraley and Hicks sucked last year.
Call it whatever you want. But no Fraley and no Hicks starting is a good thing.
so a couple backups who weren't good enough to start last year will replace a couple guys who weren't really good enough to start but started anyway....meh.
i hope it works out but i have my doubts.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 09:17:15 AM
but phreak one of those guys you gotta hope stays healthy the other three you gotta hope are good...four of five ifs on the OL is not a nice feeling
The only "if" there is Tra's health, IMO.
We know Herremans is good. And if he cannot play LG then you have Adrien Clarke. I like Clarke a lot but think he is still a little raw - but he did play very well last year.
We do know Herremans can play LT. He was very good there considering he was a #4 from Saginaw Valley and was thrown in there.
We know Jackson is good.
So if Tra isn't good to go, then you slide Todd out to LT, Clarke to LG. Jackson is your C.
However the reality is this; There is nothing out there that I really love at OT or OG. Go look at the list. Just a buncha guys who are average, IMO. - OTher than Runyan, that is.
We know Herremans is good.
We know Jackson is good.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 09:24:11 AM
We know Herremans is good.
We know Jackson is good.
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Indeed.
When Jackson was inserted into the line-up after Hanky Baggadonuts went down, the push up the middle in the running game was very noticable. He still has some things to work on obviously. But he is a good player.
And Herremans can not only pass pro, he can get to that edge and seal the DEs off. That is why Moats could get around that side. And like Jackson, he still has some things to work on. But he is a very good player.
They can both play in the league. But calling them "very good" players is a stretch.
In my book it goes like this:
Star
Very good
Good
Not good
Bad
Reno Mahe
So unless your definition of 'very good' differs vastly from mine, niether of those dudes is 'very good.'
i think they could be very good...maybe one of them could be a star but they also could suck...a couple starts does not make a player...to call them very good now or say they will be very good this coming season is a stretch imo...i hope im really really wrong tho
if i didnt think the eagles had a chance to win and they were rebuilding id be on board with the group big time...try to climb with them...but i have higher expectations for this team than to take a chance on a bunch of guys
Ok,
Instead of us going in circles of who is right or what the others think of the guys there now that I listed. Let's do this...
Who is out there right now who is better?
Who would you prefer?
I'm not arguing the there are better options, I'm just saying that we shouldn't be annointing the current starters as anything other than question marks at this point.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 17, 2006, 09:42:29 AM
They can both play in the league. But calling them "very good" players is a stretch.
In my book it goes like this:
Star
Very good
Good
Not good
Bad
Reno Mahe
So unless your definition of 'very good' differs vastly from mine, niether of those dudes is 'very good.'
Cmon Rjs...proper English please...thank you.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 17, 2006, 09:58:03 AM
I'm not arguing the there are better options, I'm just saying that we shouldn't be annointing the current starters as anything other than question marks at this point.
Fair enough. But that is who we've got and I believe that both Herremans and Jackson are very good.
This all hinges on Runyan comingback though. Because if he walks...trouble on the homefront.
its not about whos out there right now...its about where their line is right now...
they could have signed bently or hutchinson this year if they really wanted...or a lineman or two last year...they chose not to and have gone thru the draft to rebuild the line...maybe they did the right thing i dont know for sure...well see what happens this year...
but as rjs said to annoint them all as very good nfl'ers right now as opposed to question marks is incorrect imo
If they allow Runyan to walk now, the off-season is a failure.
Fair enough. But that is who we've got and I believe that both Herremans and Jackson are very good.
This all hinges on Runyan comingback though. Because if he walks...trouble on the homefront.
if herremans is very good then who cares if runyan walks...because runyan is not any better than very good...and herremans cant play guard
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 17, 2006, 10:03:06 AM
If they allow Runyan to walk now, the off-season is a failure.
shouldn't of even been in this situation to start.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 17, 2006, 10:03:06 AM
If they allow Runyan to walk now, the off-season is a failure.
so is our season for that matter
QuoteCmon Rjs...proper English please...thank you.
Off the nuts, please.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 10:04:19 AM
Fair enough. But that is who we've got and I believe that both Herremans and Jackson are very good.
This all hinges on Runyan comingback though. Because if he walks...trouble on the homefront.
if herremans is very good then who cares if runyan walks...because runyan is not any better than very good...and herremans cant play guard
Heckert says he can play it, and I'm inclined to believe him. We don't know either way. But Castillo is a good coach and if they plug him in at LG I think he plays well.
maybe heckert says he can play guard so that he doesnt have to explain why they havent gone out and upgraded the position with a hutchinson
i know we talked about this but herremans to me is a prototypical tackle always has been always will be...can he play guard sure...can he play it well...i dont think hes suited for it
Quote from: rjs246 on March 17, 2006, 10:10:14 AM
QuoteCmon Rjs...proper English please...thank you.
Off the nuts, please.
Im sorry Tarzan...I thought it was the other way around.
You thought wrong.
watching RJS vs. Reese is like watching 80's Mike Tyson versus and parapalegic girl scout with down syndrome
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Jesus - it's MARCH!! The off-season's a failure, the season's is a failure. Runyan's still playing manatee in the Caymans. Let's wait until, I don't know, training camp to declare the season's over, OK?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 17, 2006, 10:20:30 AM
watching RJS vs. Reese is like watching 80's Mike Tyson versus and parapalegic girl scout with down syndrome
huh...interesting.....
Yes, you're the parapalegic girl scout with Down's, reese. I figured you might need that one spelled out for you.
Go ahead and zing me back with "Patty". Wow, I can already feel the burn!
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 17, 2006, 10:22:59 AM
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Jesus - it's MARCH!! The off-season's a failure, the season's is a failure. Runyan's still playing manatee in the Caymans. Let's wait until, I don't know, training camp to declare the season's over, OK?
At least someone has the same mindset as me. Somehow we're homertastic because we're willing to wait until all is said and done before claiming the sky is falling.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 10:16:19 AM
i know we talked about this but herremans to me is a prototypical tackle always has been always will be...can he play guard sure...can he play it well...i dont think hes suited for it
I agree 100% but hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 17, 2006, 10:25:38 AM
Yes, you're the parapalegic girl scout with Down's, reese. I figured you might need that one spelled out for you.
Go ahead and zing me back with "Patty". Wow, I can already feel the burn!
yeah I got it Peppermint...it was a sarcastic "huh". Thanks
Quote from: reese125 on March 17, 2006, 10:31:39 AM
yeah I got it Peppermint...it was a sarcastic "huh". Thanks
Oh... ZING!
Quote from: reese125 on March 17, 2006, 10:31:39 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 17, 2006, 10:25:38 AM
Yes, you're the parapalegic girl scout with Down's, reese. I figured you might need that one spelled out for you.
Go ahead and zing me back with "Patty". Wow, I can already feel the burn!
yeah I got it Peppermint...it was a sarcastic "huh". Thanks
I'm very disappointed in that. I expect better from you.
QuoteI'm very disappointed in that. I expect better from you.
What on Earth would cause you to expect better from this mongoloid?
Quote from: rjs246 on March 17, 2006, 10:46:38 AM
QuoteI'm very disappointed in that. I expect better from you.
What one Earth would cause you to expect better from this mongoloid?
I remember his first post & thought to myself "Here's a guy who can really piss people off on CF." While he has shown flashes, his quality of work has really tapered off. He needs to head back to "Rant & Rave" to develop his name calling further.
Dave's forum:
QuoteI'm glad you came in filled with vim and vigor. Let me start by saying that the Eagles treat the idea of winning with anything less than 100 percent needs to witness the job. They work every day. They work all day. Shut the bleep up with that stuff, OK? Because you don't know what you're talking about.
You start by comparing Randle-El, Givens and Joe J with Owens. Please. Don't be stupid. You're talking about three OK-to-good receivers. No stars. There were no star receivers out there and certainly none of them is better than Reggie Brown, at least in my opinion. Reggie has star quality.
The Eagles believe they have a very good team in place here. They went out and spent A LOT of money on Darren Howard. Is there a problem there, or are you going to come back with "Oh, he was hurt and he stinks" and all the childish nonsense I have to hear every day?
The Eagles will spend big bucks on players in FA who they think can make a big-bucks difference. Clearly, they didn't see many of those players in the market this year. Let me also assure you that Andy and Tom and Jim Johnson and the coaches get what they want. If Andy wanted to sign 20 free agents, he would have been able to.
With a bunch of players returning from injury, with six draft picks in the first four rounds, with cap room left should somebody still come free, the Eagles believe they are positioned very, very well. Obviously, the proof will be in the wins and losses. I can't sit here in March and tell you what the Eagles record will be.
Your constant whining is really disappointing. You show an obvious lack of faith in Andy and in Tom and in the Eagles way of doing things. I know everybody is upset that the team has not won a Super Bowl, but let me assure you that nobody out there is more disappointed than the people in here.
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Andy defers to Joe if need be in times of cap management. I think they all agree that spending huge dollars in free agency is viable only when a big-time target is there. Is Randle-El a big-time player? No. He's a good player, but the Eagles think they can get good players at WR -- and they do think Gaffney is a good player, too -- in other ways.
All of you clowns who razzle me and who say DON'T GIVE THE EAGLES A FREE PASS!! ... it's so childish, it really is. We all want to win the Super Bowl. If AR doesn't win, he won't be here. Heckert won't be here. They do what they do to give the team the best opportunities to win. Proof is in the record.
"Wah wah wah. I have the easiest job in the world but I have to answer questions from idiots all day. Now I'm going to whine about it like a farging bitch. Wah."
daves schtick about draft picks cap management and in a position to win is as tired if not more so than the argument the clowns who write to him have
what he doesnt realize is HE IS THEM
dave made a funny
Man, that was practically Art-esque.
You guys need to shut the bleep up with that stuff.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 17, 2006, 12:45:51 PM
You guys need to shut the bleep up with that stuff.
Why, or you'll deck our puss?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 17, 2006, 12:48:43 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 17, 2006, 12:45:51 PM
You guys need to shut the bleep up with that stuff.
Why, or you'll deck our puss?
you have mentioned the "deck somethones puss" thing a few times... i want to laugh, so when did Spewdaro say this?
Quote from: MURP on March 17, 2006, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 17, 2006, 12:48:43 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 17, 2006, 12:45:51 PM
You guys need to shut the bleep up with that stuff.
Why, or you'll deck our puss?
you have mentioned the "deck somethones puss" thing a few times... i want to laugh, so when did Spewdaro say this?
IIRC... Spads got into it on the boards with some guy a couple years ago... long story short... the guy said he'd come up to the Vet and knock him out in person and Dave says, "Come on and I'll deck your puss."
I probably butchered that... but it was something to that effect.
:-D :yay
Threatening to rape someones feline is wrong on so many levels. That boy needs his head examined.
Pretty much what Feva said. They were still at the Vet, so this went back to 2002 on the previous EMB (the awful one between the black screen one and the current one). Most of the responses after that were shock and disbelief that a grown man actually said "deck your puss"... :-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 17, 2006, 01:56:31 PM
Pretty much what Feva said. They were still at the Vet, so this went back to 2002 on the previous EMB (the awful one between the black screen one and the current one). Most of the responses after that were shock and disbelief that a grown man actually said "deck your puss"... :-D
I thought he said that to Vermeilman? Is that right?
vermeilian = god
Interesting.... Eagles cap update (http://www.geocities.com/eaglescap/) (before additions of Garcia & Gaffney)
It would appear the Eagles are once again "squirreling" away for future years by adding about $9m in LTBE to the contracts of Howard and Schobel (which are probably not really "LIKELY" to be earned).
Even still, they're still staring at around $20m of cap space... maybe more like $16-$17m after Garcia & Gaffney.
now imagine if they draft bunkley and then cut hollis just because they dont wanna pay him this year and maybe youll finally see why i was so angry over corey last year
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 17, 2006, 03:00:42 PM
Interesting.... Eagles cap update (http://www.geocities.com/eaglescap/) (before additions of Garcia & Gaffney)
It would appear the Eagles are once again "squirreling" away for future years by adding about $9m in LTBE to the contracts of Howard and Schobel (which are probably not really "LIKELY" to be earned).
Even still, they're still staring at around $20m of cap space... maybe more like $16-$17m after Garcia & Gaffney.
What year would the LTBE in Howard and Schobel's contracts affect?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 03:03:08 PM
now imagine if they draft bunkley and then cut hollis just because they dont wanna pay him this year and maybe youll finally see why i was so angry over corey last year
They wouldn't cut Hollis because they don't want to pay him. They'd cut Hollis because he'd have fallen off the depth chart. Besides, Indy got farged by signing Simon... losing Edge & many others... I bet they're wishing the NFL commish was a season ticket holder of theirs and willing to look the other way when they slide money under the table and outside the rules of the CBA.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 17, 2006, 03:05:47 PM
What year would the LTBE in Howard and Schobel's contracts affect?
They hit this year, then when they're not earned, they're credited to next year... effectively pushing the cap dollars from 2006 to 2007. Which is super-exciting #1 awsum, because the Eagles are going to probably just do the same thing with the cap money next year.
I'm not well read on contract stuff. How exactly do LTBE's work?
Well, you go in and you order whatever frozen yogourt you like best, then you pay for it.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 17, 2006, 03:22:26 PM
I'm not well read on contract stuff. How exactly do LTBE's work?
say one incentive for howard is a $1M bonus for 15 sacks. the $1M is on this years cap, unless he gets less than 15 sacks...then that cap hit gets taken off this year, and added to next year.
i think.
an UNLIKELY to be earned...would be to have Howard on the books for $3M if he makes 10 50 yard FGs.
So basically they are just clauses added to save money from year to year on a person's contract?
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 17, 2006, 03:38:50 PM
So basically they are just clauses added to a person's contract to save money from year to year on the salary cap?
Yes.
Heh, Deck your puss.
IGY, you call Vermielshtein a God and in the same thread talk about how much you wanted Simon back?
eesh... :paranoid
Don't they do those LTBE and Unlikely things on a lot of contracts? Isn't that the "loophole" they've been said to found?
Yep. It's been Banner's bread and butter for years.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 17, 2006, 10:46:38 AM
QuoteI'm very disappointed in that. I expect better from you.
What on Earth would cause you to expect better from this mongoloid?
I expect a royalty for that snapz!.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 03:03:08 PM
now imagine if they draft bunkley and then cut hollis just because they dont wanna pay him this year and maybe youll finally see why i was so angry over corey last year
Hollis is making $670K this year. He wants more money (has since before last year) and he has asked to be traded the last two years.
Its time to move on. Sign another veteran run stuffing DT to do Hollis' job and draft Bunkley.
Bunkley could very well be gone at #14. I heart putting all the eggs in one basket!
There's more than just Bunkley at DT.
But if they want him - they will trade up to get him. Or Ngata.
Good. Those 2nd and 3rd rounders didn't really help us last year, either.
So you'd be opposed to trading up for Bunkley?
If they traded up to get him it would only be about 2-3 spots. Get to #11 or #12...ahead of BAL.
the more i look at the current depth chart, the more i think they have to go DT with the 1st pick...it's probably the only position where a rookie would get significant playing time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 18, 2006, 09:16:48 AM
So you'd be opposed to trading up for Bunkley?
If they traded up to get him it would only be about 2-3 spots. Get to #11 or #12...ahead of BAL.
I'd be severely opposed to using the 2nd rounder to move up, which means they're probably looking at giving up the 3rd and a 4th to move up that far. My problem is that you throw all that for Bunkley, and you have to be really careful how you use him, because he has some injury history and he will be a rookie.
Also, I don't think his collegiate performance makes him worth any higher than the 14th pick... so it means the Eagles are moving up to fill a need, which I hate. Considering all the depth problems across the board, I'd ALMOST rather they stay put and trade down if both Ngata and Bunkley are gone... they could grab a guy like Wroten or Watson and acquire another 1st day pick to fill some extra needs... like an MLB to groom under Trotter and a Safety to groom under Dawkins.
STOP MAKING SENSE, FF! Seriously. Cut it out.
Good point.
Nevermind! I love the idea of trading up for Bunkley! The Eagles are *fine* with depth across the board!
According to this, the Eagles should only have to trade their pick and a third to move up two spots.
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I like the idea of trading down if either of the DTs aren't there. Justice would also be a reasonable pick, but they could probably grab him later in the first and if they could pick up an extra first day pick or two it would be an ideal scenario.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 18, 2006, 11:13:23 AM
According to this, the Eagles should only have to trade their pick and a third to move up two spots.
That chart is only a general guideline and is further meaningless this year, because both teams directly ahead of the Eagles could be interested in either Ngata and/or Bunkley. Hell, if VD is off the board, the Rams could be interested too. It's more difficult than the chart would indicate to move up if the teams ahead of you are looking for the same thing.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 18, 2006, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 18, 2006, 09:16:48 AM
So you'd be opposed to trading up for Bunkley?
If they traded up to get him it would only be about 2-3 spots. Get to #11 or #12...ahead of BAL.
I'd be severely opposed to using the 2nd rounder to move up, which means they're probably looking at giving up the 3rd and a 4th to move up that far. My problem is that you throw all that for Bunkley, and you have to be really careful how you use him, because he has some injury history and he will be a rookie.
Also, I don't think his collegiate performance makes him worth any higher than the 14th pick... so it means the Eagles are moving up to fill a need, which I hate. Considering all the depth problems across the board, I'd ALMOST rather they stay put and trade down if both Ngata and Bunkley are gone... they could grab a guy like Wroten or Watson and acquire another 1st day pick to fill some extra needs... like an MLB to groom under Trotter and a Safety to groom under Dawkins.
How many picks do they have?
What depth problems are there?
Would giving up an additional pick really hurt them at filling depth needs since thy have a ton of picks?
What I'm saying is that they will either have to give up a more significant pick (the 2nd rounder) or multiple picks (the 3rd and a 4th) to make a move up worthwhile. I don't think the actual players they'd be moving up for are worth it (Bunkley specifically), so we're talking about a move up for a need position. Which sucks.
But hey... we could just be the taterskins and treat all our picks like toilet paper to get the one guy we like! Yay!
But if the guy is good, whats the problem with paying an extra draft pick out of the many that they have to get the guy who they love?
if it meant moving up to #7? I wouldn't be as keen on it.
It if meant moving up to #12? Sign me up.
If they only had 5-6 picks I wouldn't be saying this. But they have a lot of picks.
Who do you want at 14 if you don't like Bunkley? So what if he is a need? If he's the BPA and also a need you take him. If he's the number 1 guy who is on your board you trade up to take him or draft him at the spot you're in regardless of it is because he is a need.
At this point, with the Eagles needs, I like Bunkley at #14.
But the Eagles need first-day talent at LB right now, both at SAM and for depth behind Trotter. They need first-day talent on the offensive line. They sure as hell could use some at WR. BTW, Dawkins isn't going to be around forever and Lewis was questionable at times last year. Who's the 3rd QB? Is our backfield seriously set with Westbrook/Moats/Parry/Tapeh?
I'm trying to make this really clear, but apparently I haven't.
THIS TEAM HAS TOO MANY HOLES TO BE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF FIRST-DAY PICKS THEY HAVE.
2nd day picks are nice when they pan out. The Eagles did well last year with Herremans and Cole, it would seem. But I do not want to bank on a 4th or 5th rounder to be a future starter and/or 2006 2nd string.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 18, 2006, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 18, 2006, 11:13:23 AM
According to this, the Eagles should only have to trade their pick and a third to move up two spots.
That chart is only a general guideline and is further meaningless this year...
Well, if we're to believe Spadaro, it isn't. He told me that the team uses that exact chart when discussing trades with other teams.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 18, 2006, 10:32:37 PM
At this point, with the Eagles needs, I like Bunkley at #14.
But the Eagles need first-day talent at LB right now, both at SAM and for depth behind Trotter. They need first-day talent on the offensive line. They sure as hell could use some at WR. BTW, Dawkins isn't going to be around forever and Lewis was questionable at times last year. Who's the 3rd QB? Is our backfield seriously set with Westbrook/Moats/Parry/Tapeh?
I'm trying to make this really clear, but apparently I haven't.
THIS TEAM HAS TOO MANY HOLES TO BE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF FIRST-DAY PICKS THEY HAVE.
2nd day picks are nice when they pan out. The Eagles did well last year with Herremans and Cole, it would seem. But I do not want to bank on a 4th or 5th rounder to be a future starter and/or 2006 2nd string.
1. You are not going to spend a first day pick on a 3rd string QB. It would be stupid to do so.
2. A backup MLB can be found in the 4th/5th round. You do not need to spend a first day pick on a backup to Trotter.
3. SAM LB I would agree with. But if they would get off their asses and SIGN ONE NOW then we wouldn't have anything to really worry about because they'd have a starter and a backup (Greg Richmond).
4. Lewis was questionable last year. But he also had a PB season in 2004. Which is the real Lewis? I would say that I lean towards the 2004 version because they had a pass rush in 2004 and did not have one in 2005. He was also forced into covering TEs more in space becuase Dhani Jones eats massive amounts of ballsack.
5. Dawk is obviously getting older. But the shelf life of a FS in this league is a bit longer than Dawk's age. So he can play another 3-4 years, IMO. How old was Rod Woodson? How old is Troy Vincent? Finding a replacement for him now is not a pressing need, IMO. And what if Matt Ware is that guy anyways? We don't know what he can do at FS.
6. RBs can be found anywhere. We do need some help there behind Westbrook and Moats. What if that guy is Bruce Perry? And if it is not then you can find a guy later in the draft.
7. OL - I would agree with. But I want defensive line help first and foremost. They need a pass rush and they need to fix that defense.
So if I had to give up a #3 to move up to get a stud DT, I do it. Whether it is Ngata or Bunkley.
PP54, it depends on how much the Eagles want Bunkley or Ngata as opposed to how much they just want a DT in general.
If they have to give up a 3rd rounder this year to move up, I think they'd just sit tight and take Gabe Watson out of Michigan or take an offensive lineman - depending on if Runyan re-signed or not. And even if he does they already told you they want that interior shored up because of their heavy interest in Bentley. So they may look for a G/C anyway. But there might not be a good value pick at that spot for the offensive line, so DT still looks like the pick to me.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2006, 02:21:37 AM
3. SAM LB I would agree with. But if they would get off their asses and SIGN ONE NOW then we wouldn't have anything to really worry about because they'd have a starter and a backup (Greg Richmond).
At this point since J. Peterson and Arrington have been out there this long, they'd probably jump at a big one year deal ($5-6 million) since they're obviously not finding their price on the market. Doubtful, but I hope the Eagles give a 1 year deal some thought. Going into the season with this much unused cap space would be insane.
We were speculating as to why Gaffney was signed to a one-year deal earlier in the thread. Here's Spadaro's response to that question:
QuoteGaffney didn't want to commit to anything long term. If he has success, I'm guessing the Eagles will approach him about a longer-term deal. We'll see.
Just like we thought.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 19, 2006, 07:35:09 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2006, 02:21:37 AM
3. SAM LB I would agree with. But if they would get off their asses and SIGN ONE NOW then we wouldn't have anything to really worry about because they'd have a starter and a backup (Greg Richmond).
At this point since J. Peterson and Arrington have been out there this long, they'd probably jump at a big one year deal ($5-6 million) since they're obviously not finding their price on the market. Doubtful, but I hope the Eagles give a 1 year deal some thought. Going into the season with this much unused cap space would be insane.
Agreed.
I think the fact that they are still on the market is a good thing. But I am not going to hold my breath. I keep hearing how they want to upgrade from Dhani but they haven't made a move yet. Hopefully they will.
the eagles have enough problems making first round picks without having to give up extra picks to do so
if bunkley was such a stud DT why isnt he going into the top ten...he seems like a solid guy but he isnt some kind of super stud elite player...i dont give up shtein to get him and certainly not a first day pick
in fact this year looks like a good year to trade down
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2006, 10:55:30 AM
the eagles have enough problems making first round picks without having to give up extra picks to do so
if bunkley was such a stud DT why isnt he going into the top ten...he seems like a solid guy but he isnt some kind of super stud elite player...i dont give up shtein to get him and certainly not a first day pick
in fact this year looks like a good year to trade down
The top 10 is deep this year, 3 QBs will be taken (Leinhart, Young, Cutler), possibly 2 RBs (Definitely 1, Bush, White), a stud OT (D'brick), a stud LB (AJ Hawk), a stud RDE (Williams), a stud TE (Davis). Might not be a bad year to trade back but I wouldn't be shocked if some quality players who were originally top 10 picks fall.
Might not be a bad year to trade back but I wouldn't be shocked if some quality players who were originally top 10 picks fall
yeah if someone totally unexpected like veedee drops then you definitely take him...hell id trade up for him...but its also possible someone drops that the eagles may not be in love with but another team is and in that case trade down
bubkley just isnt one of those players that overly excites me...i like him and if they go with him at 14 i have no problem...but you dont trade a first day pick to get him
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2006, 11:02:45 AM
bubkley just isnt one of those players that overly excites me...i like him and if they go with him at 14 i have no problem...but you dont trade a first day pick to get him
I feel the same way. Bunkley's getting some good reviews and he fits JJ's philosphy at DT. I like Winston Justice too but wouldn't trade up to get him (unless we're talking a second day pick).
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2006, 02:21:37 AM
So if I had to give up a #3 to move up to get a stud DT, I do it. Whether it is Ngata or Bunkley.
No. Neither player is good enough to deserve it.
You don't have to be a top 10 player to be a stud.
Like I said - I wouldn't trade up to get him at 7 or 8. But I would trade up to get him at 11 or 12.
For the helluva it:
1. Houston - Reggie Bush
2. New Orleans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart
4. New York - Jay Cutler
5. Green Bay - Mario Williams
6. San Fran - AJ Hawk
7. Oakland - Vince Young
8. Buffalo - Haloti Ngata
9. Detroit - Mike Huff
10. Arizona - Vernon Davis
11. St. Louis - Jimmy Williams
12. Cleveland - Tye Hill
13. Baltimore - Chad Greenway
14. Philadelphia - ?
It could shake out like that. But I think that since NO signed Drew Brees it could throw a wrench into the top 10 line-up if they are looking to trade out of #2. Baltimore is the only other team who I fear would take Bunkley.
bunkley has blown out both ligaments in one of his knees...you dont give up anything to get a guy like that...he had a great combine but was just another first rounder before that...he would be a solid pick imo...not that much better than patterson if at all
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2006, 11:14:45 AM
not that much better than patterson if at all
^^listen to this man^^
1. Houston - Reggie Bush
2. New Orleans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart
4. New York - Jay Cutler
5. Green Bay - Mario Williams
6. San Fran - AJ Hawk
7. Oakland - Vince Young
8. Buffalo - Haloti Ngata
9. Detroit - Mike Huff
10. Arizona - Vernon Davis
11. St. Louis - Jimmy Williams
12. Cleveland - Tye Hill
13. Baltimore - Chad Greenway
14. Philadelphia - ?
It could shake out like that. But I think that since NO signed Drew Brees it could throw a wrench into the top 10 line-up if they are looking to trade out of #2. Baltimore is the only other team who I fear would take Bunkley.
if it goes like that then i have no problem taking bubkley but i wouldnt have a problem trading down either...and i certainly dont 'fear' another team taking him
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2006, 11:12:12 AM
You don't have to be a top 10 player to be a stud.
Like I said - I wouldn't trade up to get him at 7 or 8. But I would trade up to get him at 11 or 12.
For the helluva it:
1. Houston - Reggie Bush
2. New Orleans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart
4. New York - Jay Cutler
5. Green Bay - Mario Williams
6. San Fran - AJ Hawk
7. Oakland - Vince Young
8. Buffalo - Haloti Ngata
9. Detroit - Mike Huff
10. Arizona - Vernon Davis
11. St. Louis - Jimmy Williams
12. Cleveland - Tye Hill
13. Baltimore - Chad Greenway
14. Philadelphia - ?
It could shake out like that. But I think that since NO signed Drew Brees it could throw a wrench into the top 10 line-up if they are looking to trade out of #2. Baltimore is the only other team who I fear would take Bunkley.
There is no way in hell Baltimore takes Greenway. Dude's stock has dropped like a brick, and he'll probably go late in the first at this point. He's not what you would call a "Raven-type" backer anyway. The only thing I can see that would swing Bunkley towards us at this point is if someone does a shocker and takes an O-Lineman between the Brick and our pick. Unfortunately, Bunkley will most likely be the BPA to B-More at 13. If that is the case, I hope they go with Justice and grab Watson or Wroten later down in the draft.
Well, I want Bunkley. The only other guys who I would take over him are D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Mario Williams and Vernon Davis. Maybe Mike Huff and that is only if Dawkins isn't re-signed. But I hope he is because he still has game and will for another 3-4 years, IMO.
So if I think Baltimore has a hard on for Bunkley and I am the GM I look to trade up to 11 or 12.
See, now wouldn't it have been nice if the Eagles had actually addressed this need position with one of any number of available free agents, so you wouldn't feel this irrational man-love for Brodrick Bunkley?
I can't wait till our 1st round pick is announced/traded and we are all in disbelief that we know nothing.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 19, 2006, 11:21:32 AM
See, now wouldn't it have been nice if the Eagles had actually addressed this need position with one of any number of available free agents, so you wouldn't feel this irrational man-love for Brodrick Bunkley?
Irrational? Ha!
And even if they signed a FA DT I would still be pimping Bunkley.
We NEED pressure up the gut. It is a must have this season. Signing a veteran DT is still something I want them to do. Go get a guy to replace Hollis. AND draft Bunkley.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC link=topic=18008.msg395433#msg395433
There is no way in hell Baltimore takes Greenway. Dude's stock has dropped like a brick, and he'll probably go late in the first at this point.
No way Cleveland takes Tye Hill either. They have almost zero need for any DB on day 1.
Cleveland could also go RB. They want another guy to share time with Droughns and don't think Suggs can stay healthy and William Green sucks.
Greenway might be a reach for them, I agree. All's I know is that Ozzie loves defense and they need some LB depth. So maybe they go Demeco Ryans there.
Some mocks are starting to pair the Browns with Kamerion Wimbley of FSU. He's drawing the most comparisons to Demarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman, and the Browns could use a guy like that off the edge.
Man this is top notch stuff you guys have posted in these last 15-20 posts.
I agree with Phreak and FF in that they have to get preasure up the gut and they should have addressed it by now in Free agency.
I like Gabe Watson for his measurables and his ability to dominate. However, everything I have heard about him is that he just isn't always interested in being a football player. He looses focus and tends to slack off.
Bunkley I don't know that much about except to say that in watching the combine coverage my first impression of himn is that he looks like the JJ/Lovie Smith prototype.
i've been in a drunken stupor for 2 days, did we sign keywshawn yet?
Quote from: phattymatty on March 19, 2006, 08:39:32 PM
i've been in a drunken stupor for 2 days, did we sign keywshawn yet?
Yes, he's the new starting SAM backer.
if its not veedee then im leaning strongly to starting the ernie sims bandwagon
How can you possibly be serious? How many WIL backers do we need?
barber is gone after this year...sims is freak...and would probably be starting by the end of this season
they need difference makers at linebacker way more than they need another undersized pass rushing DT
I just don't understand why you'd get on a bandwagon that can't possibly win. The Eagles, whether you like it or not, are high on McCoy. They don't value the LB position, and they will not use a 1st rounder on Ernie Sims.
its not about winning or losing...its who i want...i will not root for them to pick a player that doesnt excite me
Can't you find an exciting player that they might actually draft?
unfortunately no
Looks like a good turnout at the off-season conditioning program... (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=46042)
What is the deal with Trent Cole's pink watch, though?
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/CDEEJOJBNJKC/cole_032006.jpg)
That article reminded me that I really want Bruce Perry to be returning kicks this season. He did a hell of a job with it last year and would be a good guy to have burried on the depth chart at RB too.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 20, 2006, 01:44:50 PM
What is the deal with Trent Cole's pink watch, though?
Who's Trent Cole?
Quote from: rjs246 on March 20, 2006, 01:57:31 PM
That article reminded me that I really want Bruce Perry to be returning kicks this season. He did a hell of a job with it last year and would be a good guy to have burried on the depth chart at RB too.
Agreed. I am rooting for him to make it. He will send that little bitch Reno on his way.
Westbrook
Moats
(big back via draft or veteran)
Perry
QuoteWestbrook
Moats
(big back via draft or veteran)
Perry
Exactly.
QuoteEagles | McMahon released
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:16:56 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the release of QB Mike McMahon.
QuoteEagles | Hall released
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:16:32 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the release of QB Andrew Hall.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 20, 2006, 01:57:31 PM
That article reminded me that I really want Bruce Perry to be returning kicks this season. He did a hell of a job with it last year and would be a good guy to have burried on the depth chart at RB too.
Agreed. I am rooting for him to make it. He will send that little bitch Reno on his way.
Westbrook
Moats
(big back via draft or veteran)
Perry
:'( :'( :'( :-D :-D :-D (that's ok, I just picked up a Trott jersey...with #73 patch)
Good.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:02:14 PM
Agreed. I am rooting for him to make it. He will send that little bitch Reno on his way.
Westbrook
Lendale White
Moats
Perry
Timmy Chang!
Quote from: phattymatty on March 20, 2006, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:02:14 PM
Agreed. I am rooting for him to make it. He will send that little bitch Reno on his way.
Westbrook
Lendale White
Moats
Perry
we can only hope (A LOT)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 20, 2006, 02:20:50 PM
QuoteEagles | McMahon released
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:16:56 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the release of QB Mike McMahon.
QuoteEagles | Hall released
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:16:32 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the release of QB Andrew Hall.
Sweet.
I guess Neckbears gets a reprieve. He'll be the #3 guy, I guess. Or at least until camp when the rookie beats him out.
Koy won't be on the team come opening day.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 20, 2006, 02:20:50 PM
QuoteEagles | McMahon released
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:16:56 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the release of QB Mike McMahon.
QuoteEagles | Hall released
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:16:32 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the release of QB Andrew Hall.
Sweet.
I guess Neckbeard gets a reprieve. He'll be the #3 guy, I guess. Or at least until camp when the rookie beats him out.
he should get the same $ value as the kicking tee :P
Quote from: dis12 on March 20, 2006, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 20, 2006, 01:57:31 PM
That article reminded me that I really want Bruce Perry to be returning kicks this season. He did a hell of a job with it last year and would be a good guy to have burried on the depth chart at RB too.
Agreed. I am rooting for him to make it. He will send that little bitch Reno on his way.
Westbrook
Moats
(big back via draft or veteran)
Perry
:'( :'( :'( :-D :-D :-D (that's ok, I just picked up a Trott jersey...with #73 patch)
Good investment. ;D
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 20, 2006, 02:27:23 PM
Koy won't be on the team come opening day.
I think once they get the rookie they want, Koy goes. He's insurance until after the draft.
Yes, exactly.
QuoteAgreed. I am rooting for him to make it. He will send that little bitch Reno on his way.
Westbrook
Lendale White
Moats
Perry
That would be outstanding. It will also never happen.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 20, 2006, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:02:14 PM
Agreed. I am rooting for him to make it. He will send that little bitch Reno on his way.
Westbrook
Lendale White
Moats
Perry
Speaking of White, Todd McShay from Scouts, Inc. projected him to the Eagles @ 14 in his latest mock.
Quote14. Philadelphia Eagles (6-10)
Top five needs: OT, WR, RB, OLB, DT
The pick: +LenDale White, RB, USC
Drafting a bigger back to take some of the load off Brian Westbrook's shoulders is critical. White is a bruising, 238-pound back who could complement Westbrook perfectly, much as he did Bush during their days at USC.
:yay
If they took White, I'd pass out from shock.
Ditto, Phreak.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 20, 2006, 11:05:54 AM
barber is gone after this year...sims is freak...and would probably be starting by the end of this season
they need difference makers at linebacker way more than they need another undersized pass rushing DT
Barber will be back if he has a very good season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:37:28 PM
If they took White, I'd pass out from shock.
Did anyone really expect them to take Patterson or Andrews?
No one expects them to take White. Maybe we should break into NovaCare on draft day and when the Eagles are called, storm into the war room, put a gun to Reid & Eckerts' heads and force them to take him.
That would be cool and shtein.
I just can't see it happening. If Andy takes a RB in the first round my heart will stop.
Would I like White? Hell yeah.
I wanted Stephen Jackson the year Andrews was drafted. I thought it was a lock we were drafting him when we traded up.
But I would prefer Bunkley. I think they can get a good solid big back later in the draft.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:37:28 PM
If they took White, I'd pass out from shock.
Much like the Eagles picking up Moulds, drafting White should be another fallacy we should leave behind.
Nuh uh...
I think the Eagles can address the RB need later in the draft, since the RB is one of those positions that can step in immediately and contribute in their rookie season.
Are we all giving up on Buckhalter? :-D :-D :-D
Westbrook
Draft Pick/Moats
Moats/Draft Pick
Perry
Hopefully that is our RB depth next season. If so, I'll be happy. :yay
I gave up on Buckhalter prior to his last injury. It was only a matter of time. he's cooked.
He'll be comeback player of the year to spite you.
Quote from: Tomahawk on March 20, 2006, 05:23:34 PM
He'll be comeback player of the year to spite you.
Don't you already have to be established in the league to get that honor? :-D Most people couldn't tell you who Buckhalter is.
I hope the Eagles don't waste any time in releasing him, because I don't want to Eagles to go through the draft and not pick up an RB and then say they are content with Buckhalter coming back and being the 'change of pace'. :paranoid
It will never happen, but hey, stranger things have occurred.
Les Bowen on DNL tonight:
He spoke to Kevin Poston today and he said that the Eagles have asked about Julian Peterson and Lavar Arrington but haven't discussed anything moneywise.
Sal Pal confirmed that the Eagles hate Dhani Jones at SAM and said even Trotter told him awhile back they need a new SAM.
Dhani Jones & his stillupfronty guitar routine = Tomas Perez and his pie man act.
I've been thinking more and more about the Eagles and the SAM position. I think they really do want to get rid of Dhani, but they honestly believe Arrington is overrated, and Peterson isn't much better than Dhani at this point in his career. I have a feeling they are right about Peterson. He'll probably go stink it up wherever he signs, but I still think Arrington would be a good fit.
However, I do think they really want a new SAM, I just can't think of how they are going to address it. Which leads me to think maybe the Eagles plan to trade back into the first round and have 2 first round picks this year. Maybe Rod Hood and a 2nd or 3rd for another first round pick. Then they will address both SAM and DT in the first round, and WR in with the next pick.
I just think a lot of us fans want the SAM position to be dealt with NOW, because we are so used to them not caring about the LB position and we want to be assured that they will care about it this year. So the longer we don't get one the more we worry. I honestly will be shocked if Dhani is our starting SAM next season.
You think they think Peterson = Dhani?
Nuts.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 07:33:20 PM
You think they think Peterson = Dhani?
Nuts.
Not only does he think that they thing that, but he also agrees.
PREPOSTEROUS!
INCONCIEVABLE!
FARG DALLAS!
GET OWENS!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 07:33:20 PM
You think they think Peterson = Dhani?
Nuts.
Not the same as Dhani, obviously they think he's better than Dhani, but for the money Peterson would cost, they probably think he is going to be a big liability in pass coverage against tight ends after his injuries. So while he is better than Dhani, they want something better and someone fresh, and don't want to spend a bundle on a question mark.
A friend of mine is a big Niners fan, and I don't talk to him a lot since he went off to college, but I talked to him this weekend. He was telling me that unless the Eagles could get Peterson on the cheap, he is not worth the sign. He says he thinks his best years are behind him and he doesn't think the guy is going to play at a high level anymore, and he didn't think he played at a high level the past couple years.
He also thinks Peterson is a tad soft. I value his opinion a lot, so I'm definitely taking into consideration that maybe the Eagles think the same thing. If you look at the teams that are interested in Peterson, it is limited to very few teams. We all assume it's because he priced himself too high, but maybe it's because they don't think the guy can play at a high level anymore.
I wish I could study game tape to come to the conclusion myself, but I've only watched the Niners play a few times last season and when you watch football teams play, how often do you focus on a SAM LB during the whole game?
No offense, but I think your friend might've hit the bong one too many times in college.
Peterson is a stud.
I'd definitely take Peterson in a heartbeat. I'd glad the Eagles are still talking about picking him up.
Seahawks | Team reaches agreement with Peterson
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:56:05 -0800
Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Seattle Seahawks have reached an agreement with free agent LB Julian Peterson to a seven-year contract worth $54 million. The deal includes $18.5 million in guarantees, including $10 million for the 2006 season.
Peterson is gone.
Ridiculous contract. Not worth that or even close to it. Not by a longshot.
Are you kidding me? Damn, where is Seattle coming up with all this dough at? There's still Hutchinsons deal that they may have to pay and they're rumored to be one of the teams that might trade for Abraham. The Peterson contract is ridiculous, but they're still clearly the team to beat in the NFC.
NFL.com link (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9324476)
It shows me they aren't going to match that Hutchinson offer, which I think is stupid. I'd much rather match Hutchinson than spend that cash on Peterson who hasn't been at his all-pro level the last couple years.
I think if the Eagles do the necessary moves they can get back to the Superbowl. Seattle doesn't impress me.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 12:12:11 AM
It shows me they aren't going to match that Hutchinson offer, which I think is stupid. I'd much rather match Hutchinson than spend that cash on Peterson who hasn't been at his all-pro level the last couple years.
I think if the Eagles do the necessary moves they can get back to the Superbowl. Seattle doesn't impress me.
Well they impress the hell out of me, remember the ass kicking we got last season? Well they've kept their entire team intact and have improved immensly, we haven't. Only hope is they buy into the whole SuperBowl hangover thing.
From the NFL.com article:
QuoteEven with Peterson's mega-contract, the Seahawks still have the wherewithal to match the $49 million offer sheet Pro Bowl guard Steve Hutcinson signed with the Vikings. The Seahawks had to announce their decision by tonight at midnight ET.
And they are not done there. Still in place is a contingent deal for defensive end John Abraham, whom the Seahawks have the exclusive negotiating rights for from the New York Jets in exchange for Seattle's first-round pick.
Already this offseason, the Seahawks have re-signed NFL MVP running back Shaun Alexander and defensive tackle Rocky Bernard.
But now, the Seahawks are bolstering their defensive line, landing Peterson tonight and former Arizona Cardinals defensive tackle Russell Davis over the weekend.
Seahawks | Team does not match offer to Hutchinson
Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:13:13 -0800
John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Seattle Seahawks have not matched the offer the Minnesota Vikings made to Seahawks transition free agent OG Steve Hutchinson. Hutchinson now becomes a member of the Vikings. The Seahawks will save $6.391 in salary cap by letting Hutchinson leave.
Looks like I was right.
I thought their D was damn good last season, if they get Abraham their D might move into the elite. Surprised they let Hutchinson go.
Their defense was very good, but I can't see it repeating. Rocky Bernard is going to have to string together 2 seasons like last season in a row before I can call him a stud yet.
If the Eagles get a stud SAM and a stud DT, our defense is better than Seattle.
That's a lot of 'ifs', we had the oppurtunity and cap space to add both but didn't. Seattle did, which is why they're a much better team than us right now.
True, but in the past the Eagles have stayed away from the bidding game, and have made out pretty well. A lot of players that we wanted as fans, are players who got big deals from other teams and haven't lived up to the hype.
Sure, the Eagles aren't right 100% of the time, but after being furious for the first week of free agency, I have taken a complete 180 in terms of my attitude for now. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until the draft. If they are done in free agency and don't come out of that draft with a stud DT, LB, WR and OG though, then I will shred them every minute of every day on here.
But for now they get the benefit of the doubt. Right now I'm willing to believe that rather than being cheap they have an actual plan in place. I know it's hard to believe that after last season, but giving up my trust on the Eagles means giving up on the season, and giving up on the season means giving up on something I look so forward to every year, and I'm not ready to give up on that yet.
With that signing you can say they are not getting Lavar Arrington either. String up the Guitar for another season. :boo
Quote from: VET STADIUM TURF on March 21, 2006, 12:34:54 AM
With that signing you can say they are not getting Lavar Arrington either. String up the Guitar for another season. :boo
Whoa man, don't go on that boat just yet. We still have the draft and june cuts and even a trade possibility.
If we go into july and august with Dhani starting at SAM, then I will bury this team. Don't go there just yet. Have a little faith that they realize Dhani isn't a starting SAM. They were watching the same season we were, don't forget that.
If they think Adams needed to be replaced, I'm sure they think the same about Dhani. Both were awful last season.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 12:16:21 AMWell they impress the hell out of me, remember the ass kicking we got last season? Well they've kept their entire team intact and have improved immensly, we haven't. Only hope is they buy into the whole SuperBowl hangover thing.
I remember McMahon scoring nearly as many points for the Seahawks as their offense did.
7-Yrs/$54M with $18.5M in guarantees for Peterson?
Absolutely farging insane. Half that is nuts considering his injury history and his subpar play the past two years.
Man, no wonder why the Eagles have mostly stayed out of the free agency fray. That's just plain goofy.
Dhani. Jones.
He'll. Be. Gone. So. STFU.
Oh yeah? and who will replace him? You seem to have all the confidence in the world that they will bring in a WR and a real honest to goodness SAM. So who are they going to replace him with? Anyone they bring in at this point from FA would be a schmuck b/c they aren't going after Arrington. Maybe you're thinking Whitey McWhiterson is going to bump Jones off the squad? Oh joy.
You have no reason to think that Jones will be gone other than your own wishful thinking, so how about if you stop telling other to STFU and open your eyes.
If they are done in free agency and don't come out of that draft with a stud DT, LB, WR and OG though, then I will shred them every minute of every day on here.
youre out of mind dook...they arent getting a stud at 14 what makes you think they can bag four studs in one draft...theyd be lucky to get that in five years of drafts...what you gotta hope for is two or three really good players and maybe one develops into a stud...whatever a stud is...
either way they arent getting anyone in this draft that is going to appreciably improve their team for next year...lets hope for a player like patterson...who was ok and showed that he should be a quality starter in the nfl
Man, no wonder why the Eagles have mostly stayed out of the free agency fray. That's just plain goofy
yeah getting front line talent is just goofy
again you wanna play you gots to pay
if you dont you get jabar gaffney and shawn barber
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 12:34:49 AM
True, but in the past the Eagles have stayed away from the bidding game, and have made out pretty well. A lot of players that we wanted as fans, are players who got big deals from other teams and haven't lived up to the hype.
Sure, the Eagles aren't right 100% of the time, but after being furious for the first week of free agency, I have taken a complete 180 in terms of my attitude for now. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until the draft. If they are done in free agency and don't come out of that draft with a stud DT, LB, WR and OG though, then I will shred them every minute of every day on here.
But for now they get the benefit of the doubt. Right now I'm willing to believe that rather than being cheap they have an actual plan in place. I know it's hard to believe that after last season, but giving up my trust on the Eagles means giving up on the season, and giving up on the season means giving up on something I look so forward to every year, and I'm not ready to give up on that yet.
So, you really think they'll draft 4 studs who will be inserted right into the lineup and perform? You're out of your farging mind. If this is what you're waiting for, you might as well start bitching now.
More likely, they think they have the tools in place at the positions they ignored in FA to be successful. While I'm not sure I agree, what the hell do I know? I wanted Akili Smith in the draft.....
Well, since Peterson is gone >:( they have to turn their attention elsewhere...
1. Arrington - He is not a SAM. Playing him at a position where he has to be disciplined and lock a TE down would be stupid. So if they signed him he'd have to go to WIL and Barber would have to go to SAM. But the problem is, Peterson just got $54M and $18.5m guaranteed. They share the same agent. If Peterson got that, Arrington will want that too.
2. Na'il Diggs - A solid SAM 'backer from GB. He has had some injury problems if I recall correctly but when he is right he is a good player.
3. Hunter Hillenmeyer - A very good, young player who is a RFA (5th rd. comp) from Chicago. He is playing under Ron Rivera so if he were to come here he would fit right in because of the similar defensive schemes. Problem is, CHI could match a deal. So Banner would have to get creative to steal him.
Well, scratch the need for a bigger back off your list...
Buckhalter's already "75-80%" back! (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=46062)
:-D :-D :-D
What a farging joke.
Quote"There's so much frustration built up inside me. I just want to let it out on the field," Buckhalter said. "I'm just looking forward to going to training camp and showing the people that I still can run the football.
"It's too early for me to not be able to play football. I'm still young. I can't end my career with injury. I have dreams and I want to reach my dreams."
Oh my farging god. Put a bullet in that lame horse and move the farg on.
They can't count on him can they? Can they?!? :paranoid
they always have reno to fall back on if buck is unable to come back again
The Seahawks have reached an agreement with LB Julian Peterson on a seven-year, $54 million contract.
To see the f-in Seahawks (supposedly one of the "top tier" teams Lurie was quoted talking about as the "financially smart" teams who "build contenders year in and year out") go out and spend this kind of money on an injured LB, what the F are the Eagles doing? Not even a visit? Lunch? Dinner? You trying to tell me the Seahawks see something we dont?
I dont care if he's coming off of injury or not, a hobbled Peterson is better than what we have in there....and he IS worth the money--the guy is a stud regardless. Its not nuerology here to realize one of our biggest problems last year was that LB crew (except for Trot). They could of seriously solidified the middle/outside of the field with Trotter and Peterson. Championship teams have stud LB's.
Lurie: "Whatcha think Andy? You like what you see so far?"
Reid: "Hmmmm, Im thinking we might need an offe....defen...got it....we need a special teams player."
Lurie: "Your absolutely right...but I only have $20 million left so lets be smart about this k?
Reid: "No problem....I want Ike Reese back!"
Lurie: "Exactly what I was thinking...he's a nice guy and everyone like him....good call.....we'll give him the max."
It's Neurology, reese.
;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/ananumuss/ruunyeggnipples.jpg)
Ha. Word.
:-D :-D
I hope this is like Trotter going to KC and CIN last year.
Go visit. Get an offer and get your ass back.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 08:52:57 AM
Well, scratch the need for a bigger back off your list...
Buckhalter's already "75-80%" back! (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=46062)
:-D :-D :-D
What a farging joke.
I'd rather they see if Thomas Tapeh can play.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 08:36:41 AM
2. Na'il Diggs - A solid SAM 'backer from GB. He has had some injury problems if I recall correctly but when he is right he is a good player.
Whoo hoo. This year's version of Nate Wayne.
You know, this will shock precisely no one....but this year's Eagles offseason really blows so far. Very annoying.
Quote from: Zanshin on March 21, 2006, 10:14:20 AM
You know, this will shock precisely no one....but this year's Eagles offseason really blows so far. Very annoying.
I don't think the moves they've made are bad ones. I just think they've left too many chances to improve the team on the table. They absolutely must re-sign Runyan. MUST. But that only makes the off-season so far a C- or so.
Of course, but the non-moves are biggies.
Once all of the Pro Bowl WRs and LBs are cut in June, we're going to snatch all of them up, don't you all realize that? then we're going to draft 4 Pro Bowlers in the draft.
Duh.
This year's June cuts will be extremely lean at best, but you already knew that.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 10:35:09 AM
This year's June cuts will be extremely lean at best, but you already knew that.
thats my point, not sure where everyone think these quality players are going to miraculously come from. most teams don't like cutting good players that late.
Quote from: Zanshin on March 21, 2006, 10:14:20 AM
You know, this will shock precisely no one....but this year's Eagles offseason really blows so far. Very annoying.
Yeah, but
Free Agency just started...oops, I mean...
Peterson's still out there ...whoops,
well there's always that chance that Moulds will be released...well...there's still an outside chance we'll re-sign Runyan. We also have the draft to look forward to and June 1st cuts. Give me a friggen break,
this offseason has been a disaster.
(http://www.calvarychapel.com/freedom/caution_tape.jpg)
And for the front office apologists, please spare me the "go root for another team then" bit.
Nah, I think even the most die-hard apologists would have to agree that things haven't gone well. At least the ones with any sense of realism.
And for the front office apologists
dont hear much from them these days do you?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 10:46:44 AM
And for the front office apologists
dont hear much from them these days do you?
They're out there.
I thought the front office did a fine job up until now... even last offseason, when the only FA addition was Mike McMahon. They did a good job in the draft last year, and the McNabb injury coupled with the Owens fallout doomed the team to failure. Other injuries, obviously, didn't help either.
HOWEVER, they had an opportunity this season after learning about some weak links on the roster to go out and improve the team and give others a chance to succeed, and I don't think they've taken enough of those opportunities or shown enough interest in taking ones that are still available.
I don't work for the Eagles, so at this point, I'm gonna wait until about Oct to decide whether they screwed the pooch.
Apologist, no, but a hell of a lot of you were "trust the FO, they've earned it" 12 months ago, are now throwing the FO under the bus.
Don't we make fun of the taterskins for being paper champs in March? We may need to get Sarge's Point and Laugh at the Eagles thread back.
I'm not throwing anyone under the bus until the season starts and we see how these players perform together.
That said, my objective analysis is that the team has missed some unrecoverable important chances to improve already, and I worry that the top-line talent and/or depth at some positions is not good enough to get the team back to the playoffs, let alone win the Super Bowl, which should be the only goal now.
Apologist, no, but a hell of a lot of you were "trust the FO, they've earned it" 12 months ago, are now throwing the FO under the bus.
not me...they never earned shtein...win a superbowl then you get free passes...in fact they did something worse than just plain suck...they were right on the edge of the superbowl but never committed themselves 100% to winning it and thus may have lost their chance for good...
They certainly deserve some credit, but this year sort of has that bungled feel to it. Sure they'll be better just by getting healthy...but they really need to upgrade when possible, and there were a few opportunities this year that they didn't take advantage of. That's all I'm saying. They still might be very good next year, but they could be doing more now.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 21, 2006, 11:15:33 AM
Apologist, no, but a hell of a lot of you were "trust the FO, they've earned it" 12 months ago, are now throwing the FO under the bus.
people have very very short memories.
reid and co have improved every single season since their reign began. until last season, where they took a step back. last season was a season of every single thing going wrong that could have gone wrong.
1 bad season is ok, this season is a big test. i learned to trust their moves in the past, which is why i am accepting the moves this offseason. i'll wait until the news counts, and the games start before i go declaring anything a success or failure.
it's pretty easy. cap room doesnt count, large contracts don't count. and neither one of them will determine success or failure...
if they win...success
if they lose...failure
Quote from: Zanshin on March 21, 2006, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 08:36:41 AM
2. Na'il Diggs - A solid SAM 'backer from GB. He has had some injury problems if I recall correctly but when he is right he is a good player.
Whoo hoo. This year's version of Nate Wayne.
Oh, I get it. Just because they both played in GB they automatically equal Nate Wayne's flop here. Right on!
Diggs > Jones.
What is today's date?
March 21st.
When does the season start?
When does training camp start?
To judge the Eagles now is beyond ridiculous. Of course everyone wants to see players signed. But signing huge names doesn't equal success. When will people get that?
I like the 5 signing so far. They needed to be done.
And I want a SAM, Runyan back and another veteran DT. Get those 3 things and I don't think anyone should be complaining.
To this point the offseason has sucked donkey ass. The team knows that their linebackers eat piles of severed penis, and yet they signed an injured special teamer. They lost the best WR in the game (and good riddance) and replaced him with a dude with midget hands and 'potential.' They still don't have a RB with size, or a professional FB. They missed out on one of the best offensive linemen in the game and have made little or no effort to sign their best offensive lineman who also happens to be one of the team's few do-anything-to-win players/leaders.
But hey, they got Garcia and released McMahon. Woo farging hoo.
But it's not done yet. Did I miss the memo that said rosters must be set by today?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 11:42:18 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on March 21, 2006, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 08:36:41 AM
2. Na'il Diggs - A solid SAM 'backer from GB. He has had some injury problems if I recall correctly but when he is right he is a good player.
Whoo hoo. This year's version of Nate Wayne.
Oh, I get it. Just because they both played in GB they automatically equal Nate Wayne's flop here. Right on!
Diggs > Jones.
Wayne was good with GB, too. And Wayne was > Jones. Actually, I might be > Jones. What's your point?
My point is that anyone is better than Jones and regardless of if the move resembled the Wayne signing they should make a run at him to get that sorry ass bowtie wearing bum off the team.
Cataldi said this team will struggle to win 8 games and could end up 5-11. The rest of the morning crew said it's impossible to predict anything before the draft or the June cuts, and they still have the best QB in the division. He didn't care and proclaimed that they've done nothing to improve the team and the OL, DL, WRs and LBs still suck, although the signing of Garcia was OK.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 11:55:41 AM
But it's not done yet. Did I miss the memo that said rosters must be set by today?
No, it's not done yet, but the true impact players (minus Arrington, who they won't sign) are all signed. they may add players from here on out, but they won't be at the level of players that they have passed up so far.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 11:57:51 AM
Cataldi said this team will struggle to win 8 games and could end up 5-11. The rest of the morning crew said it's impossible to predict anything before the draft or the June cuts, and they still have the best QB in the division. He didn't care and proclaimed that they've done nothing to improve the team and the OL, DL, WRs and LBs still suck, although the signing of Garcia was OK.
and we care what he thinks why?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 11:57:18 AM
My point is that anyone is better than Jones and regardless of if the move resembled the Wayne signing they should make a run at him to get that sorry ass bowtie wearing bum off the team.
I'm not saying that would be a bad move...but it wouldn't be one that I'd be all excited about. Better than Jones is still potentially very different from being good enough to make a difference.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 21, 2006, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 11:55:41 AM
But it's not done yet. Did I miss the memo that said rosters must be set by today?
No, it's not done yet, but the true impact players (minus Arrington, who they won't sign) are all signed. they may add players from here on out, but they won't be at the level of players that they have passed up so far.
There are still good players out there though. Are the marquee guys? No. But there are good players and guys who are better than what we have now.
If that's true...why the holdup?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 21, 2006, 11:58:57 AMand we care what he thinks why?
Because everyone is on a "bash the Eagles" kick lately and I figured I'd throw that one out there because I know you love WIP... :)
Quote from: Zanshin on March 21, 2006, 12:01:04 PM
If that's true...why the holdup?
Who knows? I believe it might be because they wanted the market to settle down a little bit.
Here's a hint. The holdup is caused by this front office thinking that the team they have in place is good enough. They think that the only reason they went 6-10 last year is because of injuries. What they don't realize is that EVERY OTHER TEAM in the division has improved since the Eagles were in the superbowl. Every one of them. Staying put makes about as much sense as tits on a bull.
Cataldi said this team will struggle to win 8 games and could end up 5-11. The rest of the morning crew said it's impossible to predict anything before the draft or the June cuts
its impossible to predict anything before it happens...but there is at best a 20% chance the eagles get an impact player via the draft or june first cut...anyone who says free agency isnt over is wrong...because for all intensiove purposes it is
and they still have the best QB in the division
now this is a valid point...if mcnabb isnt permanently scarred from last year by itself his return should be good for a couple wins...but its hardly enough to get the eagles into the playoffs...mcnabb is not a good enough player to overcome a bad defense or horrid wr's...he doesnt make other people better
Other than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 12:04:53 PM
Cataldi said this team will struggle to win 8 games and could end up 5-11. The rest of the morning crew said it's impossible to predict anything before the draft or the June cuts
its impossible to predict anything before it happens...but there is at best a 20% chance the eagles get an impact player via the draft or june first cut...anyone who says free agency isnt over is wrong...because for all intensiove purposes it is
and they still have the best QB in the division
now this is a valid point...if mcnabb isnt permanently scarred from last year by itself his return should be good for another couple wins...but its hardly enough to get the eagles into the playoffs...mcnabb is not a good enough player to overcome a bad defense or horrid wr's...he doesnt make other people better
How do you figure that FA is over? There are still players out there who are good and could help.
I agree about the defense. That needs to be stout again. Thats why the Howard signing was good and why getting Barber was good. Now they just need a SAM and a pocket collapsing DT via the draft.
The WRs are better than what we had in 2000-2003
They will not get a SAM in the draft good enough to unseat Dhani Jones. Don't kid yourself.
both their WIL and SAM were awful, yet you are content with them signing a 32 year old player who has played 11 games in the last two years. meanwhile Julian Peterson and Will Witherspoon got signed by other teams. How is that good for the Eagles?
Saying the WRs are better than the pre-TO 2000s is like saying that your latest dump didn't reek as bad as the one a few days ago....
QuoteOther than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Since the Eagles were in the SB? Plenty.
Eli got more experience. They signed Burress. They have continuity and good coaching and have made strides on defense, not by huge signings but through coaching. If you don't think they've improved from two years ago you're smoking crack.
1. They don't have to draft a SAM better than Jones. There are guys out there to be signed who are better. And even if they did draft a guy, if they target him and get him for the SAM I am all for it if it means removing Jones.
2. I know the WRs aren't a star studded group I would've loved to have David Givens. But if they get back to spreading it around and running the ball more, I will take this group (as ragged as it is) ovet the Pinky-Trash-Mitchell-Brown-Freeman days.
3. And the Giants can get credit through continuity and coaching but the Eagles can't? They still have Eli Manning. He was brutal last year. Great early on, pure shtein later on. And the Eagles haven't made huge signings either. But hey, give the Giants credit on that but not the Eagles.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 12:20:40 PM
1. They don't have to draft a SAM better than Jones. There are guys out there to be signed who are better. And even if they did draft a guy, if they target him and get him for the SAM I am all for it if it means removing Jones.
2. I know the WRs aren't a star studded group I would've loved to have David Givens. But if they get back to spreading it around and running the ball more, I will take this group (as ragged as it is) ovet the Pinky-Trash-Mitchell-Brown-Freeman days.
3. And the Giants can get credit through continuity and coaching but the Eagles can't? They still have Eli Manning. He was brutal last year. Great early on, pure shtein later on. And the Eagles haven't made huge signings either. But hey, give the Giants credit on that but not the Eagles.
I am glad that you have confidence in their receivers because I have absolutely none in any of them outside of Brown. And that poor bastich is going to get killed because they really have no other threats, maybe Gaffney but that is a big if.
My point is that the Giants have gotten better through continuity. The Eagles, while they MIGHT get better through continuity, took a massive step back last year. Comparing the two is silly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 12:20:40 PM
3. And the Giants can get credit through continuity and coaching but the Eagles can't? They still have Eli Manning. He was brutal last year. Great early on, pure shtein later on. And the Eagles haven't made huge signings either. But hey, give the Giants credit on that but not the Eagles.
Amen
:=) is not getting younger, Shockey is due to implode ala the "The Soldier" any moment. Hate, hate, hate...
1. They don't have to draft a SAM better than Jones. There are guys out there to be signed who are better. And even if they did draft a guy, if they target him and get him for the SAM I am all for it if it means removing Jones.
2. I know the WRs aren't a star studded group I would've loved to have David Givens. But if they get back to spreading it around and running the ball more, I will take this group (as ragged as it is) ovet the Pinky-Trash-Mitchell-Brown-Freeman days.
whos are the sam linebackers that can come in and be so much better than dhani that they will actually make a difference
and its not just the sam anyway its the overall lack of playmaking ability at lb that they have refused to address for years now
so basically
1. they will get a sam who sucks less than dhani
2. these wr's suck but they are less sucky than the sucky ones they used to have
awesome
as for the giants or any other team i dont care how much better theyve gotten as long as the eagles do the necessary things to make themselves better and they havent done that...altho it explains how they controlled the divison so easily for so long
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 12:20:40 PM
1. They don't have to draft a SAM better than Jones. There are guys out there to be signed who are better. And even if they did draft a guy, if they target him and get him for the SAM I am all for it if it means removing Jones.
Which guys are out there to be signed right now that would be better? Please name at least 2 not named Arrington.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 12:05:51 PM
Other than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Added Burress, Pierce, and McKenzie last season while we added McMahon. They also made the playoffs last season and don't have the available cap space we have.
Here's my question, what are the Eagles going to do with $20 + million worth of cap space? Sign their own players, okay fine, even though the cap will go up another $10 million next season, the draft will eat $5 million, so where is the other money being spent?
Runyan should have already of been re-signed, there's absolutely no excuse for that not getting done.
You guys worry about this shtein 24/7, don't you?
:-D :-D
You guys worry about this shtein 24/7, don't you?
i can only speak for myself...but basically yeah i do...and if not this then the flyers playoff chances
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 21, 2006, 01:05:53 PM
You guys worry about this shtein 24/7, don't you?
:-D :-D
No, but it pisses me off when I see players we could have had (Bernard, Givens) at a reasonable price sign elsewhere while we sit on our hands and say "wait till the draft".
i love feigned disinterest on a message board
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 12:20:40 PM
1. They don't have to draft a SAM better than Jones. There are guys out there to be signed who are better. And even if they did draft a guy, if they target him and get him for the SAM I am all for it if it means removing Jones.
Which guys are out there to be signed right now that would be better? Please name at least 2 not named Arrington.
To you and IGY,
1. Na'il Diggs (6'4 240) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5127/career;_ylt=Apo7adGatA2P_1px5M.Cssf.uLYF)
2. Hunter Hillenmeyer (6'4 238) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6502/career;_ylt=AqhOUVT91K2LoJ7iMrxT6zT.uLYF)
3. Chris Claiborne (6'3 255 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4657/career;_ylt=AkT.SwwVHwr776rM6KNPj63.uLYF)
4. Brandon Short (6'3 253) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5134/career;_ylt=AsWlcWnI6_mTn1sB3qXKnUT.uLYF)
Those are in no particular order, by the way. Any one of them would be better at strongside LB than Dhani Jones.
short sucks not sure id even take him over dhani
clemons and hillenmeyer are rfa's arent they?
diggs is ok and a slight improvement over dhani but not a difference maker
Chris Claiborne could not come close to covering Cooley, Witten, or Shockey.
Diggs and Short are basically lateral moves. Hillenmeyer might be an upgrade.
All very "meh", but at least there are *options*.
Gargano keeps saying that he thinks that the Eagles will trade for guard. He's not citing any sources but he says he has a feeling, for whatever that is worth.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 21, 2006, 01:22:55 PM
Gargano keeps saying that he thinks that the Eagles will trade for guard. He's not citing any sources but he says he has a feeling, for whatever that is worth.
Um... ok. But do the Packers have any guards worth getting?
Claiborne was a pretty good SLB in Minnesota and Detroit before moving to Mike in STL.
I would take every last one of those guys over Dhani.
Gargano is in tight with Heckert...
I wonder what OG they would trade for? Does that mean no Runyan and Andrews goes to RT? Not sure I like that
Let's see.
Diggs has 21 career PDs, 4 ints and 7 sacks.
HH has 4 career PDs, 1 int and 3.5 sacks.
Short has 10 career PDs, 2 ints and 7.5 sacks.
Claiborne has made some plays in his career but has also had injuries last year had a whopping .5 sacks, 0 ints and 0 PDs.
They all suck.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 12:05:51 PM
Other than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Added Burress, Pierce, and McKenzie last season while we added McMahon. They also made the playoffs last season and don't have the available cap space we have.
...and they scored as many points in the playoffs as the Eagles did.
This offseason they added Sam Madison (nice move), R.W. McQuarters (he stinks) and Will Demps (how good is he away from Baltimore?), but they haven't fixed their LB holes, they haven't replaced Clancy, and they haven't done anything to improve their offense...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 01:25:29 PM
Claiborne was a pretty good SLB in Minnesota and Detroit before moving to Mike in STL.
I wonder what OG they would trade for? Does that mean no Runyan and Andrews goes to RT? Not sure I like that
Claiborne has also been known to let his weight balloon to 270+. Bad for needed mobility.
As for possible trade of OG, I'd hope it would be a LG. No matter how much mobility Andrews has gained after a full season and a healthy off-season, moving him to RT creates WAY too many questions about the interior of the line. Hopefully, they're looking for a LG and will re-sign Runyan. HOPEFULLY.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 21, 2006, 01:25:38 PM
Let's see.
Diggs has 21 career PDs, 4 ints and 7 sacks.
HH has 4 career PDs, 1 int and 3.5 sacks.
Short has 10 career PDs, 2 ints and 7.5 sacks.
Claiborne has made some plays in his career but has also had injuries last year had a whopping .5 sacks, 0 ints and 0 PDs.
They all suck.
And Carlos Emmons (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3805/career;_ylt=AjpHVgs0MpVJAcbAhXIeKbz.uLYF) has 28 career PDs, 5 INTs and 18 sacks. (in 10 years).
Does he suck too?
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 12:05:51 PM
Other than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Added Burress, Pierce, and McKenzie last season while we added McMahon. They also made the playoffs last season and don't have the available cap space we have.
...and they scored as many points in the playoffs as the Eagles did.
This offseason they added Sam Madison (nice move), R.W. McQuarters (he stinks) and Will Demps (how good is he away from Baltimore?), but they haven't fixed their LB holes, they haven't replaced Clancy, and they haven't done anything to improve their offense...
Will Demps sucked in Baltimore too. They wanted him gone.
they need to trade for a personal trainer and get moe bigsley in shape
The SAM might be the least sexy position in Jim Johnson's defense. They are usually stuck in a zone or on the tight end, and blitz less than even the corners. But the tight ends in our division are good, and we need a SAM that can actually cover them. Dhani can't. Claiborne can't. Short can't.
Hillenmeyer and Diggs are semi-OK options. We'll see.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 12:05:51 PM
Other than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Added Burress, Pierce, and McKenzie last season while we added McMahon. They also made the playoffs last season and don't have the available cap space we have.
...and they scored as many points in the playoffs as the Eagles did.
and they haven't done anything to improve their offense...
they were 2nd in the nfc in total offense...there's not much to improve but another year of experience for eli will probably help...and i heard they might be signing meshawn.
And if Bobby Carpenter is there in round 2, take him. He'd be better than Dhani and I say that knowing he hasn't even begun his NFL career yet
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 12:05:51 PM
Other than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Added Burress, Pierce, and McKenzie last season while we added McMahon. They also made the playoffs last season and don't have the available cap space we have.
...and they scored as many points in the playoffs as the Eagles did.
This offseason they added Sam Madison (nice move), R.W. McQuarters (he stinks) and Will Demps (how good is he away from Baltimore?), but they haven't fixed their LB holes, they haven't replaced Clancy, and they haven't done anything to improve their offense...
And they aren't sitting on $20 + million worth of cap space either.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 01:08:39 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 21, 2006, 01:05:53 PM
You guys worry about this shtein 24/7, don't you?
:-D :-D
No, but it pisses me off when I see players we could have had (Bernard, Givens) at a reasonable price sign elsewhere while we sit on our hands and say "wait till the draft".
Givens at a resonable price?? His market value and Randel El's were insane for 3rd or 4th receiving options. Why is it so hard to see that? Why pay top $$ for mediocre receivers when we have 4 of them?? You guys are reaching for answers at the WR spot when there are none out there (except of course Walker or Moulds).
Eagles defensively though..wheeew...no comment!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 01:32:56 PM
And if Bobby Carpenter is there in round 2, take him. He'd be better than Dhani and I say that knowing he hasn't even begun his NFL career yet
I would love to grab Carpenter in the 2nd, but he'll be gone.
Carlos Emmons was a steady player on an excellent defense. He wasn't and isn't a star or a stud. This team needs an upgrade.
the SAM will never have great playmaking stats, because they spend their time covering the TE. the WIL is the one that needs to be the playmaker, and the Eagles' WIL is 149 years old
Quote from: reese125 on March 21, 2006, 01:35:44 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 01:08:39 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 21, 2006, 01:05:53 PM
You guys worry about this shtein 24/7, don't you?
:-D :-D
No, but it pisses me off when I see players we could have had (Bernard, Givens) at a reasonable price sign elsewhere while we sit on our hands and say "wait till the draft".
Givens at a resonable price?? His market value and Randel El's were insane for 3rd or 4th receiving options. Why is it so hard to see that? Why pay top $$ for mediocre receivers when we have 4 of them?? You guys are reaching for answers at the WR spot when there are none out there (except of course Walker or Moulds).
Eagles defensively though..wheeew...no comment!
5 years $24 million is not unreasonable for Givens, you overpay in free agency and I thought the Titans got him at a good price. Givens is not a #3 or #4, he's a legitimate #2.
All the more reason to trade down, and get another first day pick.
All the more reason to trade down, and get another first day pick
im with you on this
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 21, 2006, 01:43:01 PM
All the more reason to trade down, and get another first day pick.
I think the Eagles should try to make enough tradedowns that they own the whole 4th round.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 21, 2006, 01:41:11 PM
Carlos Emmons was a steady player on an excellent defense. He wasn't and isn't a star or a stud. This team needs an upgrade.
That is why I listed his stats. They're not spectacular because most of the time he taking care of the TE. Just like the rest of those guys who you said suck.
Hillenmeyer is young though. He really just started getting extensive PT this year. But he's a good player.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 01:44:43 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 21, 2006, 01:43:01 PM
All the more reason to trade down, and get another first day pick.
I think the Eagles should try to make enough tradedowns that they own the whole 4th round.
i know you're being facetious, but have the Eagles taken anybody of note in the 4th round? i know Westbrook was a 3rd.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 21, 2006, 01:10:16 PM
i love feigned disinterest on a message board
as much as i love feigned panic?
i would think not.
Herremans and Buckhalter were taken in the 4th round.
Buck
Welbourn
Damon Moore
JR Reed
Todd Herremans
Sean Considine
Only guys worth mentioning
Quote from: hunt on March 21, 2006, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 12:05:51 PM
Other than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Added Burress, Pierce, and McKenzie last season while we added McMahon. They also made the playoffs last season and don't have the available cap space we have.
...and they scored as many points in the playoffs as the Eagles did.
and they haven't done anything to improve their offense...
they were 2nd in the nfc in total offense...there's not much to improve but another year of experience for eli will probably help...and i heard they might be signing meshawn.
i love it...a year of experience helps everyone but the eagles.
Byron Evans, bitches! Also, WILLIE T!
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You guys worry about this shtein 24/7, don't you?
:-D :-D
No, but it pisses me off when I see players we could have had (Bernard, Givens) at a reasonable price sign elsewhere while we sit on our hands and say "wait till the draft".
Givens at a resonable price?? His market value and Randel El's were insane for 3rd or 4th receiving options. Why is it so hard to see that? Why pay top $$ for mediocre receivers when we have 4 of them?? You guys are reaching for answers at the WR spot when there are none out there (except of course Walker or Moulds).
Eagles defensively though..wheeew...no comment!
5 years $24 million is not unreasonable for Givens, you overpay in free agency and I thought the Titans got him at a good price. Givens is not a #3 or #4, he's a legitimate #2.
Yeah, $5million/year is worth a guy that scored 2 TD's last year when Brady threw for 26....cmon now. COMPLIMENTARY not a difference maker....we have 4 of them.
Brandon Whiting, John Welbourn, Na Brown, Gari Scott... boo yah!
Trey Darilek! Jamaal Green!!
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All the more reason to trade down, and get another first day pick.
I think the Eagles should try to make enough tradedowns that they own the whole 4th round.
i know you're being facetious, but have the Eagles taken anybody of note in the 4th round? i know Westbrook was a 3rd.
Todd Herremans
J.R. Reed
John Welbourn
not bad for 4th round guys
Quote from: reese125 on March 21, 2006, 01:52:39 PM
Yeah, $5million/year is worth a guy that scored 2 TD's last year when Brady threw for 26....cmon now. COMPLIMENTARY not a difference maker....we have 4 of them.
He's also only 25 and has 3 SB rings. Look what the other free agent WRs have signed for, that's what the market has dictated. He wsa the best FA WR on the market IMO.
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Other than Madison, what have the Giants done?
Added Burress, Pierce, and McKenzie last season while we added McMahon. They also made the playoffs last season and don't have the available cap space we have.
...and they scored as many points in the playoffs as the Eagles did.
and they haven't done anything to improve their offense...
they were 2nd in the nfc in total offense...there's not much to improve but another year of experience for eli will probably help...and i heard they might be signing meshawn.
i love it...a year of experience helps everyone but the eagles.
never said that...but it does help young qb's more than it helps most positions, imo.
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Quote from: reese125 on March 21, 2006, 01:52:39 PM
Yeah, $5million/year is worth a guy that scored 2 TD's last year when Brady threw for 26....cmon now. COMPLIMENTARY not a difference maker....we have 4 of them.
He's also only 25 and has 3 SB rings. Look what the other free agent WRs have signed for, that's what the market has dictated. He wsa the best FA WR on the market IMO.
just because the market dictates that doesnt mean a team has to be foolish and sign the guy. How much do you really think David Givens would help Donavan McNabb? His breakaway speed, knack for the end zone, leaping ability and fantastic hands...cmon SD...please stop.
I don't know, 59 catches 738 yards 2 TDs in only 13 games and he's only 25? Guess that wouldn't help McNabb much. Gald we signed Gaffney instead.
Titans signed Givens to be their #1. That is worth the money.
A guy named Marlin is setting off Dave on only the 2nd call of Eagles Live. Quality stuff.
Quote from: MURP on March 21, 2006, 02:09:09 PM
Titans signed Givens to be their #1. That is worth the money.
......#2 behind Bennett
Givens is not a #1 receiver outside of NE. He was there because Brady is so great, but he is not going to be a good #1 WR outside of NE. He won't sniff 1,000 yards as a Titan.
Check that Branch was #1 in NE. Don't know what the farg I was thinking for a second.
He definitely won't be a quality #1 in Tennessee.
man, PhillyForever just knows what every wideout is going to do this year, i wish i had that power.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 02:08:47 PM
I don't know, 59 catches 738 yards 2 TDs in only 13 games and he's only 25? Guess that wouldn't help McNabb much. Gald we signed Gaffney instead.
Gaffney might surprise you- 55 catches on a $htein squad, and he's by far faster than Givens...with height. Only 13 games?? How many do you need...there's only 16 games in a season. Your argument is null and void--the Eagles made the right move
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 21, 2006, 02:13:51 PM
man, PhillyForever just knows what every wideout is going to do this year, i wish i had that power.
Just saying how I see it man, just saying how I see it.
The way I see it is, is Givens better than Gaffney? Yes. Is Givens a lot better than Gaffney? No. Can Gaffney be better than Givens in this system? Yes.
Titans signed Givens to be their #1. That is worth the money
this is a good point
whats really funny is that few eagle fans would have a problem if the eagles gave reggie brown the contract givens just got...somehow givens stinks and reggie brown is the next chad johnson
if all we're going to do is pick up one complimentary WR this offseason, and I had to pick between Givens and Gaffney, I'd go with Gaffney. i don't think it's enough, but i like the gaffney signing.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 02:16:16 PM
Can Gaffney be better than Givens in this system? Yes.
which is no different than saying, can Givens be better than Gaffney in this system? Yes.
forget the height part on Gaffney..only an inch taller, but I digress
Can Reggie Brown be better than Jesus Christ in this system? Of course.
what happens if gaffney and givens run into each other on a street corner?
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Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 02:08:47 PM
I don't know, 59 catches 738 yards 2 TDs in only 13 games and he's only 25? Guess that wouldn't help McNabb much. Gald we signed Gaffney instead.
Gaffney might surprise you- 55 catches on a $htein squad, and he's by far faster than Givens...with height. Only 13 games?? How many do you need...there's only 16 games in a season. Your argument is null and void--the Eagles made the right move
If you say so. I like the Gaffney signing, but don't you find it a bit peculiar that he was out there for so long and only signed a 1 year deal?
Quote from: Wingspan on March 21, 2006, 02:19:20 PM
what happens if gaffney and givens run into each other on a street corner?
Nuclear holocaust?
can Juan Castillo be Eddie George in this system? absolutely.
this argument is silly.
the eagles had a horrible season and finished last in their division...they came into this offseason with quite a few needs and a lot of cap room to fill those needs. instead of going balls out to sign super bowl caliber players, they only signed 1 impact player (howard) & a bunch of cheap, depth-type role players.
the needed a big offseason to vault back up to the top of the division & become a super bowl contending team again...instead, they sat back & watched the impact players sign elsewhere.
the end.
I should've used a better example. Right now you can say Givens is better than Gaffney because he's done more. He played in Superbowls, and has better stats, etc. Keep in mind Givens played with the best QB in the game today. Gaffney was in a bad situation in Houston. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaffney turns out to be the better receiver.
My point is, not signing a WR in free agency this year is not the end of the world. We got a nice receiver for a lot cheaper, and still have the opportunity to go out and get one later or even draft one. IMO receiver is the one position that we shouldn't be mad about just yet. The free agent crop was very weak.
BALLS OUT!
I'm worried more about the beef than anything else. DT's and OL. We need help.
SD,
Gaffney wanted the 1 year deal.
A guy just asked Dave why they cut Mike McMahon, saying that they should have kept him for trick plays.
Ha!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 02:24:48 PM
SD,
Gaffney wanted the 1 year deal.
To prove his worth? Sorry, not buying it. He was on a crappy team and would have jumped at the oppurtunity to sign a lucrative deal. No one was offering it so he chose to play on a 1 year deal in a pass happy offense where is cousin was also playing.
Gaffney wearing #84! Yes, I get to alter my F. Mitchell jersey!
What free agency has come down to right now is whether or not they have a plan and know what they are doing or if they are cheap and don't have a clue.
By reading the posters on here, it seems there are quite a few on both sides. I'll go with the former. I can't possibly believe this team is stupid or cheap enough to have Dhani as our starting SAM. This is the same team who signed Kearse and TO to huge deals a couple years ago. All indications are they are not afraid to throw the big money to players they really like.
Gaffney's claiming he wasn't part of the decision to only sign a 1-year deal. He said he hopes to stay here for a lot longer and sign a long-term deal at the end of the season.
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Gaffney's claiming he wasn't part of the decision to only sign a 1-year deal.
does he realize that he has a say in it?
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SD,
Gaffney wanted the 1 year deal.
To prove his worth? Sorry, not buying it. He was on a crappy team and would have jumped at the oppurtunity to sign a lucrative deal. No one was offering it so he chose to play on a 1 year deal in a pass happy offense where is cousin was also playing.
Well, it appears that it was Rosenhaus's idea to have him sign a 1-year deal and then turn it around to a bigger one.
And who gives a farg if it is a one year deal or a 67 year deal? He's signed. We needed WR help. He ain't Givens but he's better than Greg lewis.
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Gaffney wearing #84! Yes, I get to alter my F. Mitchell jersey!
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Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 02:32:59 PM
Gaffney's claiming he wasn't part of the decision to only sign a 1-year deal. He said he hopes to stay here for a lot longer and sign a long-term deal at the end of the season.
Gaffney jerseys are up 30% since his signing and he could be the next Jerry Rice in this system.....what you dont think so? ;) ;)
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 01:32:56 PM
And if Bobby Carpenter is there in round 2, take him. He'd be better than Dhani and I say that knowing he hasn't even begun his NFL career yet
I would love to grab Carpenter in the 2nd, but he'll be gone.
He's on Sirius right now and mentioned us as one of the teams that have worked him out. I'm saying 'NO' to any LB we're considering drafting day 1.
Why?
Like Dhani?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 02:38:41 PM
Why?
Like Dhani?
Barry Gardner, Quinton Caver, Matt McCoy...need I say more?
You can't be afraid to make a bad pick. If a LB you want is there in the 2nd round you take him.
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Why?
Like Dhani?
Barry Gardner, Quinton Caver, Matt McCoy...need I say more?
Sure. Because those guys mean they will draft sucky LBs forever.
And its too early to judge McCoy.
And did they get a good player in Reggie Brown after years of bad WR picks?
They did.
They say 3rd times a charm, except when you're the Eagles drafting a LB in the 2nd round. I'll take my chances somewhere else like OG.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 02:35:09 PM
And who gives a farg if it is a one year deal or a 67 year deal?
I care because the Eagles have signed someone in the past for a 1 year deal, the guy had a good year and then he bolted. I also care because it doesnt show they they have any real faith in the player. They have no problem extending the Todd Pinkstons and the Greg Lewis's for long deals, yet they sign their one FA WR to a basic 1 year rental deal. Obviously Gaffney could get an extension or re-sign after the season... just as he could bolt to another team.
On a side note, and not that it means anything other than an interesting fact: I read that Gaffney had the smallest hands in the draft that year.
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On a side note, and not that it means anything other than an interesting fact: I read that Gaffney had the smallest hands in the draft that year.
Doesn't that mean he has a small penis too?
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Quote from: MURP on March 21, 2006, 02:50:33 PM
On a side note, and not that it means anything other than an interesting fact: I read that Gaffney had the smallest hands in the draft that year.
Doesn't that mean he has a small penis too?
he wears small gloves
ask Chuggie
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 02:35:09 PM
And who gives a farg if it is a one year deal or a 67 year deal?
I care because the Eagles have signed someone in the past for a 1 year deal, the guy had a good year and then he bolted. I also care because it doesnt show they they have any real faith in the player. They have no problem extending the Todd Pinkstons and the Greg Lewis's for long deals, yet they sign their one FA WR to a basic 1 year rental deal. Obviously Gaffney could get an extension or re-sign after the season... just as he could bolt to another team.
On a side note, and not that it means anything other than an interesting fact: I read that Gaffney had the smallest hands in the draft that year.
And if they signed him to a 4 year deal they'd be getting ripped even more for signing a guy to a long term deal. They did Pinky and Lewis because they got it on the cheap.
And if he's playing well, he'll be one of the guys to get an extension later in November when thet extend players. And if he sucks the 1-year deal is a good thing.
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Quote from: MURP on March 21, 2006, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 02:35:09 PM
And who gives a farg if it is a one year deal or a 67 year deal?
I care because the Eagles have signed someone in the past for a 1 year deal, the guy had a good year and then he bolted. I also care because it doesnt show they they have any real faith in the player. They have no problem extending the Todd Pinkstons and the Greg Lewis's for long deals, yet they sign their one FA WR to a basic 1 year rental deal. Obviously Gaffney could get an extension or re-sign after the season... just as he could bolt to another team.
On a side note, and not that it means anything other than an interesting fact: I read that Gaffney had the smallest hands in the draft that year.
And if they signed him to a 4 year deal they'd be getting ripped even more for signing a guy to a long term deal. They did Pinky and Lewis because they got it on the cheap.
And if he's playing well, he'll be one of the guys to get an extension later in November when thet extend players. And if he sucks the 1-year deal is a good thing.
yes sir
Speak of the devil, Gaffney's on Sirius right now:
- Wanted to play with #5, main reason he signed here
- Happy he's in a pass happy offense
- Hasnt' been given a specific spot on the depth chart, just knows he'll be moving around a lot
- Sort of criticizing Carr saying he has to step it up this year. Thinks having Kubiak will help
- Just wants the oppurtunity to show what he can do.
- Says he was open a lot last season but Carr wouldn't look his way
Gaffney wanted the 1 year deal
i call BS...no player wants a one year deal in football EVER...
all you need to know about gaffney is that houston made no effort to resign him and offered givens almost 20 million...now im not saying gaffney is a bad move by the eagles because it isnt...but anyone who trys to say gaffney is close to as good as givens is homering it up...heck they signed RFA ken walter over gaffney...there were 31 teams fighting for jabar gaffney and the best he could do was a cheap one year deal...the guy is a #3 wr
I care because the Eagles have signed someone in the past for a 1 year deal, the guy had a good year and then he bolted
yep...if he has a great year then the eagles wont sign him and say its because hes asking for too much for a player who had one good year...if he doesnt have a good year then the eagles say well it was no big deal we only signed him to a one year contract in the first place....forgetting that they could have signed someone who would have helped the team
Can we just end all of this by agreeing that I hate all of you?
Please.
Barber opted for a 1 year deal twice.
And so what if Gaffney wasn't wanted back in HOU? What if he just didn't want to go back there? And you can say that about almost any FA out there.
Why didn't SF make an effort to get Peterson back?
Why didn't Pittsburgh make an effort to get Randle El back?
But hey...Gaffney sucks because he signed a one year deal and he won't do shtein because the Eagles suck because they signed no one.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 02:58:21 PM
Gaffney wanted the 1 year deal
i call BS...no player wants a one year deal in football EVER...
all you need to know about gaffney is that houston made no effort to resign him and offered givens almost 20 million...now im not saying gaffney is a bad move by the eagles because it isnt...but anyone who trys to say gaffney is close to as good as givens is homering it up...heck they signed RFA ken walter over gaffney...there were 31 teams fighting for jabar gaffney and the best he could do was a cheap one year deal...the guy is a #3 wr
I care because the Eagles have signed someone in the past for a 1 year deal, the guy had a good year and then he bolted
yep...if he has a great year then the eagles wont sign him and say its because hes asking for too much for a player who had one good year...if he doesnt have a good year then the eagles say well it was no big deal we only signed him to a one year contract in the first place....forgetting that they could have signed someone who would have helped the team
Houston made no effort to resign anyone..they let Bradford go as well who had the most TD's (5) for the team, which leaves them with Andre Johnson and who--Armstrond and Mathis? Smart team
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 03:01:12 PM
Please.
Barber opted for a 1 year deal twice.
And so what if Gaffney wasn't wanted back in HOU? What if he just didn't want to go back there? And you can say that about almost any FA out there.
Why didn't SF make an effort to get Peterson back?
Why didn't Pittsburgh make an effort to get Randle El back?
But hey...Gaffney sucks because he signed a one year deal and he won't do shtein because the Eagles suck because they signed no one.
Peterson and Randle El signed ridiculous deals, Pittsburgh was on record as saying they wanted Randle El back, and I'm sure the Niners would have taken Peterson back if they didn't have more pressing needs and his asking price wasn't so high. The two situations are unrlelated IMO.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 02:53:07 PM
And if they signed him to a 4 year deal they'd be getting ripped even more for signing a guy to a long term deal.
not by me, id rather they did.
Regarding Gaffney...Roob had lunch with him today. This is what I was told regarding the situation, when I asked why it was a 1-year deal:
QuoteBecause its the kind of a deal where neither side wanted to commit to anything longer because nobody really knows his value
Quote from: MURP on March 21, 2006, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 02:35:09 PM
And who gives a farg if it is a one year deal or a 67 year deal?
I care because the Eagles have signed someone in the past for a 1 year deal, the guy had a good year and then he bolted. I also care because it doesnt show they they have any real faith in the player. They have no problem extending the Todd Pinkstons and the Greg Lewis's for long deals, yet they sign their one FA WR to a basic 1 year rental deal. Obviously Gaffney could get an extension or re-sign after the season... just as he could bolt to another team.
On a side note, and not that it means anything other than an interesting fact: I read that Gaffney had the smallest hands in the draft that year.
that means gaffney will be back in 2009. sweet.
Please.
Barber opted for a 1 year deal twice.
And so what if Gaffney wasn't wanted back in HOU? What if he just didn't want to go back there? And you can say that about almost any FA out there.
Why didn't SF make an effort to get Peterson back?
Why didn't Pittsburgh make an effort to get Randle El back?
But hey...Gaffney sucks because he signed a one year deal and he won't do shtein because the Eagles suck because they signed no one.
barber didnt opt for shtein...he blasted out his knee and was forced to take one deals
peterson and randel el commanded real money...thats why they werent brought back...if sf or pitt could have gotten either one for cheap and minimal years they would have been resigned with the quickness
and gaffney doesnt suck...hes a decent replacement for pinky...but isnt anything more than a solid 3/2.5
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 21, 2006, 03:13:24 PM
Regarding Gaffney...Roob had lunch with him today. This is what I was told regarding the situation, when I asked why it was a 1-year deal:
QuoteBecause its the kind of a deal where neither side wanted to commit to anything longer because nobody really knows his value
Hey, he has more first down catches than David Givens in his career-- and if he can go out there and produce first down catches and catch some TD's...$htein....thanks for the cheap signing.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 21, 2006, 02:59:50 PM
Can we just end all of this by agreeing that I hate all of you?
i honestly don't think you care enough about us to waste an emotion such as hate on us.
:-D
Like you've seen Gaffney play enough to judge what type of receiver he is. You don't know shtein about Gaffney other than his name isn't as big as the other names out there. At least watch him play here before making that call.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 02:57:29 PM
- Says he was open a lot last season but Carr wouldn't look his way
Sounds like the # 84 is a perfect fit for him.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 03:18:15 PM
:-D
Like you've seen Gaffney play enough to judge what type of receiver he is. You don't know shtein about Gaffney other than his name isn't as big as the other names out there. At least watch him play here before making that call.
Givens wouldn't even BE a "bigger name" if he hadn't been a part of the WR corps for the Patriots.
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Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 02:57:29 PM
- Says he was open a lot last season but Carr wouldn't look his way
Sounds like the # 84 is a perfect fit for him.
:-D
Givens
Gaffney
Who's got the bigger name now, bitches?
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Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 03:18:15 PM
:-D
Like you've seen Gaffney play enough to judge what type of receiver he is. You don't know shtein about Gaffney other than his name isn't as big as the other names out there. At least watch him play here before making that call.
Givens wouldn't even BE a "bigger name" if he hadn't been a part of the WR corps for the Patriots.
I agree with that. If you put Gaffney on the Pats and Givens on the Texans, it's Gaffney who is commanding that big deal and not Givens. Gaffney has more talent that Givens. Just isn't as accomplished.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 03:20:50 PM
Givens
Gaffney
Who's got the bigger name now, bitches?
C-
Like you've seen Gaffney play enough to judge what type of receiver he is. You don't know shtein about Gaffney other than his name isn't as big as the other names out there. At least watch him play here before making that call.
so then how do you explain nfl PP guys throwing wads of money at givens...and gaffney having to beg for a one year deal...have they not seen either of them play either
ive seen and read plenty about gaffney...hes a #3 wr who was aksed to be a #2 in houston...a role that really is above him...hes a solid route runner and can be a quality possesion type guy...hopefully he fills that role for the eagles
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 02:57:29 PM
- Says he was open a lot last season but Carr wouldn't look his way
That was the nice way for him to say, "our offensive line blew ass nuggets and there was no way for the QB to ever get me the ball from the prone position"
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 03:20:59 PM
If you put Gaffney on the Pats and Givens on the Texans, it's Gaffney who is commanding that big deal and not Givens. Gaffney has more talent that Givens. Just isn't as accomplished.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 03:18:15 PM
Like you've seen Gaffney play enough to judge what type of receiver he is. You don't know shtein about Gaffney other than his name isn't as big as the other names out there. At least watch him play here before making that call.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 03:01:12 PM
Please.
Barber opted for a 1 year deal twice.
And so what if Gaffney wasn't wanted back in HOU? What if he just didn't want to go back there? And you can say that about almost any FA out there.
Why didn't SF make an effort to get Peterson back?
Why didn't Pittsburgh make an effort to get Randle El back?
But hey...Gaffney sucks because he signed a one year deal and he won't do shtein because the Eagles suck because they signed no one.
Peterson and Randle El signed ridiculous deals, Pittsburgh was on record as saying they wanted Randle El back, and I'm sure the Niners would have taken Peterson back if they didn't have more pressing needs and his asking price wasn't so high. The two situations are unrlelated IMO.
My point was that you can make a case for every FA leaving their team. Why didn't they want _____ back?
Why did Denver let Mike Anderson go and place thier hopes in Ron Dayne?
Why did Carolina let Witherspoon go?
It can go on and on, SD.
The thing is that Gaffney is here. He's better than McMullen, Lewis and maybe even Pinkston. If he steps it up he'll get his deal and we'll have a Brown & Gaffney duo. But if he bombs out we move on and there is no long term deal to worry about.
I think it's only fair to assume that Gaffney will go for 1450 yards and 10-11 TD's until proven otherwise.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 03:21:52 PM
Like you've seen Gaffney play enough to judge what type of receiver he is. You don't know shtein about Gaffney other than his name isn't as big as the other names out there. At least watch him play here before making that call.
so then how do you explain nfl PP guys throwing wads of money at givens...and gaffney having to beg for a one year deal...have they not seen either of them play either
ive seen and read plenty about gaffney...hes a #3 wr who was aksed to be a #2 in houston...a role that really is above him...hes a solid route runner and can be a quality possesion type guy...hopefully he fills that role for the eagles
The scouting reports don't prove shtein. I'm just asking you, not them, to hold your judgement on the guy until you've seen him play HERE. You will see him 16+ games which is enough to make the call. If he comes here and plays terrible, then you feel free to trash him, but at least wait until you see him first hand to do it.
Givens got the big bucks because he is a solid possession guy who played on a Superbowl winning team. Also for a market this year with no real great WRs, he was the biggest name out there. Only a handful of teams wanted Givens anyway. It wasn't like the whole NFL was busting down the door to sign this guy. The Texans didn't think he was worth the contract he wanted, and a couple other teams agreed including Miami and Cleveland.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 21, 2006, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 21, 2006, 02:57:29 PM
- Says he was open a lot last season but Carr wouldn't look his way
That was the nice way for him to say, "our offensive line blew ass nuggets and there was no way for the QB to ever get me the ball from the prone position"
Which is what he basically told Spads. he said he'd be in the first few steps on his route and hear the crowd boo or cheer depending on if they were home or away because Carr was getting sacked.
It boils down to this. I wanted Givens. I wanted a WR upgrade period.
Gaffney is an upgrade from my boy Billy Mac and Lewis.
If he steps it up he'll get his deal and we'll have a Brown & Gaffney duo. But if he bombs out we move on and there is no long term deal to worry about.
hes not gonna step it up...he doesnt have the physical tools to be able to elevate his game to some unheard of level that hes been unable to find thus far in his four year career...hes not that fast doesnt have great size and isnt overly strong
he is not a long term solution at the #2 wr spot
hes freddie mitchell without the side show...which isnt a bad thing by any means...but wr's like them are a dime a dozen...that said i think they could do a lot worse than having gaffney as their #3 guy down the road...provided they have a legit #1 or (2) twos
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Givens
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stinks
Quote from: phattymatty on March 21, 2006, 02:17:08 PMand Gaffney
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pro bowl.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 03:26:37 PM
Gaffney is an upgrade from my boy Billy Mac
:o ;D
I know..it hurt me to type that. A sad day for the large group of one in the Billy Mac Fanclub. At least Billy didn't charge me $84 to be in his club like Javon Walker. ;D
LOL, wingspan....you need to find a hobby :-D
The scouting reports don't prove shtein. I'm just asking you, not them, to hold your judgement on the guy until you've seen him play HERE. You will see him 16+ games which is enough to make the call. If he comes here and plays terrible, then you feel free to trash him, but at least wait until you see him first hand to do it.
nfl scouting reports dont mean shtein
my opinion dont mean shtein
but yours does?
and for the record i have never once trashed him
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 03:29:34 PM
If he steps it up he'll get his deal and we'll have a Brown & Gaffney duo. But if he bombs out we move on and there is no long term deal to worry about.
hes not gonna step it up...he doesnt have the physical tools to be able to elevate his game to some unheard of level that hes been unable to find thus far in his four year career...hes not that fast doesnt have great size and isnt overly strong
he is not a long term solution at the #2 wr spot
hes freddie mitchell without the side show...which isnt a bad thing by any means...but wr's like them are a dime a dozen...that said i think they could do a lot worse than having gaffney as their #3 guy down the road...provided they have a legit #1 or (2) twos
How about seeing what the guy can do or can't do in his new situation before saying he's not gonna step it up?
I see the bottom line as: Gaffney better be decent and better be re-signed if he is... because there were other options out there and the Eagles had tons of cash. :deion
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 03:32:26 PM
The scouting reports don't prove shtein. I'm just asking you, not them, to hold your judgement on the guy until you've seen him play HERE. You will see him 16+ games which is enough to make the call. If he comes here and plays terrible, then you feel free to trash him, but at least wait until you see him first hand to do it.
nfl scouting reports dont mean shtein
my opinion dont mean shtein
but yours does?
and for the record i have never once trashed him
I didn't go into detail about every facet of his game, pretending like I studied this guy for 10 hours on game film. I can only go by what I've seen in the few Texans games I've watched - that I actually happened to keep my eye on Gaffney which is rare if at all, and from what I read. But that doesn't even matter. I'm going to wait until the season to say whether this was a bad signing or not.
If Givens catches 80 balls for 1,100 yards and Gaffney catches 30 for 400, then I'll say you were right. We haven't gotten there yet. Give the guy a chance.
we are officially at the point where we'd be more useful to society if we killed ourselves and left our bodies to science.
I want to kick you all in the nuts.
How about seeing what the guy can do or can't do in his new situation before saying he's not gonna step it up?
hes been in the league going on five years and has essentially done the same thing every year...35-50 catches and a couple toucdowns a year...and dont give me well that was on texans...as if the eagles offense has a history of turning out great wr's...andre johnson is better than any wr andy reids offense has ever spit out
so what is going to magically cause him to 'step it up' this year
Quote from: MURP on March 21, 2006, 03:33:44 PM
I see the bottom line as: Gaffney better be decent and better be re-signed if he is... because there were other options out there and the Eagles had tons of cash. :deion
Im waiting for the bomb to drop that Arrington is either coming for a visit or Walker/Moulds can seek a trade by their clubs....haha. Although I could be waiting for a LONG time......lets hope this quiet period for the Eagles is all part of their master plan. If not, Lurie will be using left-over FA dollar bills as toilet paper to wipe his a$$!!
He'll be surrounded by better players here, and better coaches. Plus he's still young so he can still grow. He's not a 33 year old where you say, the guy is what he is. He's in his mid 20's. He can still improve.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 03:38:30 PM
How about seeing what the guy can do or can't do in his new situation before saying he's not gonna step it up?
hes been in the league going on five years and has essentially done the same thing every year...35-50 catches and a couple toucdowns a year...and dont give me well that was on texans...as if the eagles offense has a history of turning out great wr's...andre johnson is better than any wr andy reids offense has ever spit out
so what is going to magically cause him to 'step it up' this year
Not being in the Houston Texans offense is a big start.
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now ya see...thats funny stuff my man....now tell everyone to stop saying schtien and fargon like they are from South Dakota and we'll have an all-out trucker party
Whoa, I found this on KFFL, and I can't believe no one posted this yet!
Eagles | Roseman promoted to VP of football administration
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:08:27 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the team has promoted Howie Roseman to vice president of football administration. Roesman had served as the team's director of football administration since 2003.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 04:20:09 PM
Whoa, I found this on KFFL, and I can't believe no one posted this yet!
Eagles | Roseman promoted to VP of football administration
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:08:27 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the team has promoted Howie Roseman to vice president of football administration. Roesman had served as the team's director of football administration since 2003.
There was no "VP" of Football Admin before now. Change in title and more money for Banner's right-hand man.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 04:20:09 PM
Whoa, I found this on KFFL, and I can't believe no one posted this yet!
Eagles | Roseman promoted to VP of football administration
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:08:27 -0800
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced the team has promoted Howie Roseman to vice president of football administration. Roesman had served as the team's director of football administration since 2003.
I was going to, but i didnt want to ruin the surprise for everyone else....big day!!
id ask for a promotion too if i was allowing the owner to pocket 20 mil a year on unspent salary cap money
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Quote from: Philly Forever on March 21, 2006, 12:12:11 AM
It shows me they aren't going to match that Hutchinson offer, which I think is stupid. I'd much rather match Hutchinson than spend that cash on Peterson who hasn't been at his all-pro level the last couple years.
I think if the Eagles do the necessary moves they can get back to the Superbowl. Seattle doesn't impress me.
Well they impress the hell out of me, remember the ass kicking we got last season? Well they've kept their entire team intact and have improved immensly, we haven't. Only hope is they buy into the whole SuperBowl hangover thing.
From the NFL.com article:
QuoteEven with Peterson's mega-contract, the Seahawks still have the wherewithal to match the $49 million offer sheet Pro Bowl guard Steve Hutcinson signed with the Vikings. The Seahawks had to announce their decision by tonight at midnight ET.
And they are not done there. Still in place is a contingent deal for defensive end John Abraham, whom the Seahawks have the exclusive negotiating rights for from the New York Jets in exchange for Seattle's first-round pick.
Already this offseason, the Seahawks have re-signed NFL MVP running back Shaun Alexander and defensive tackle Rocky Bernard.
But now, the Seahawks are bolstering their defensive line, landing Peterson tonight and former Arizona Cardinals defensive tackle Russell Davis over the weekend.
Yeah but they kicked our ass with Mike McMahon giving them 3 TD's, Moats coughing it up, and a makeshift offensive line. It was a friggin' pee wee squad they hammered. Big deal.
Here is my take on the FA situation:
For the past 5 years (with the exclusion of last year which i think was an abberation due to injury and the TO situation) Andy et. al. have brought a very high quality product to the field. I have a trust in the organization. I think these football experts have a ton more knowledge about football and personell than we and the media experts have. Think about it, the vast majority of these so-called media experts would love to be GM's or coaches, not one has that job. It is easy to criticize. Take Merrill Hoge. He says every year the Eagles won't make the playoffs. Sure, we all notice, but does the rest of the national audience? Of course not. Now when he was finally correct last year, he comes off as a genius. So when all these media idiots and message board idiots keep saying the Birds can't compete without this free agent or this draft pick, I know in my heart that the Reid brain trust knows what it is doing. If we don't have a quality product this year, I may need to adjust my attitude. If you read some of SUF's old post from years ago, he consistently said, "trust in the system". He seems to be a very wise man. We should all listen to his wisdom. That all being said, we really need to sign Runyan.
wow, a team that last the Super Bowl actually trying to improve itself? what a novel idea.
andy was carried by ray rhodes defense for a few years...all those players are gone now....
now he needs to show what a full compliment of his own players can do
true his best linebacker and best all around defensive player are still ray ray guys...i was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt tho
No, you weren't.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 03:38:30 PM
How about seeing what the guy can do or can't do in his new situation before saying he's not gonna step it up?
hes been in the league going on five years and has essentially done the same thing every year...35-50 catches and a couple toucdowns a year...and dont give me well that was on texans...as if the eagles offense has a history of turning out great wr's...andre johnson is better than any wr andy reids offense has ever spit out
so what is going to magically cause him to 'step it up' this year
He won't be with the Texans. Honestly, you might not like it but being on a different team and having a different supporting cast can do wonders for a player's career.
This thread has gotten ridiculous. I know it's Tuesday but damn. Everyone is doom and gloom. No one said that Gaffney is going to be Jerry Rice but he can be a solid target. And, out of this weak WR class, he was a very good pickup for the coin.
Do you honestly believe that Randle El was not over paid? He got a lunatic offer. I wonder how many are just sold that he's a great WR because he got such a huge contract, from the taterskins nonetheless.
Massive coin does not equal great production.
By virtue of the Eagles getting healthier they are instant contenders for the division and conference. Do you people remember what our roster looked like in the 2nd half of last season??!
Just try and put somethings in perspective, this same roster has been together for awhile, and if all those arguments for continuity apply to all the other teams people cited, it should apply to the Eagles too using the same logic.
I'm not saying the Eagles are going to be perfect next year, but I think there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic and feel like they can be contenders.
Quote from: Eaglez on March 21, 2006, 05:11:23 PM
Gaffney is going to be Jerry Rice
Quote from: Eaglez on March 21, 2006, 05:11:23 PM
the Eagles are going to be perfect next year
Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute. L1OLOLz!!11!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 03:29:34 PM
If he steps it up he'll get his deal and we'll have a Brown & Gaffney duo. But if he bombs out we move on and there is no long term deal to worry about.
hes not gonna step it up...he doesnt have the physical tools to be able to elevate his game to some unheard of level that hes been unable to find thus far in his four year career...hes not that fast doesnt have great size and isnt overly strong
he is not a long term solution at the #2 wr spot
hes freddie mitchell without the side show...which isnt a bad thing by any means...but wr's like them are a dime a dozen...that said i think they could do a lot worse than having gaffney as their #3 guy down the road...provided they have a legit #1 or (2) twos
How about seeing what the guy can do or can't do in his new situation before saying he's not gonna step it up?
He's 6'1 205, that is not big enough for a WR? I think he would be considered on the larger side of many WR's. That's one of his better attributes.
He does have pretty good speed too, he runs good routes, and he has good hands and rarely drops the ball.
He won't be a gamebreaker, but at least I think he can be consistent and is better than the depth in our WR from #2 down.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 21, 2006, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: Eaglez on March 21, 2006, 05:11:23 PM
Gaffney is going to be Jerry Rice
Quote from: Eaglez on March 21, 2006, 05:11:23 PM
the Eagles are going to be perfect next year
Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute. L1OLOLz!!11!
:-D :-D
farg context.
MESHAWN'S PRICE GOES UP
Last week, receiver Keyshawn Johnson said he wouldn't play for only $2.5 million per year.
Now, his floor apparently is $3 million.
According to the New York Daily News, the Giants have offered Johnson a deal averaging $3 million annually. But Johnson has not accepted, opting instead (apparently) to shop the offer elsewhere.
The Panthers, Pats, Eagles, and Seahawks reportedly are interested in Johnson, who'll now find out whether that interest translates into more than $3 million a year.
>Take it for whats it worth, but Im just shocked to see the Eagles name anywhere as an "interested" team. This is from profootball.com, so need I say more...
Actually, those are the teams that HE is interested in....from a previous article.
eagles would be his best fit...hes obviosuly focusing on teams that win and unlike the other teams hed be or at least have a very good chance to be their number one wr
Moulds >x100 Key
Moulds is probably more like 1.2 times better than Key, all factors considered.
Moulds is at least 3.6 - 4.3 times better than Keyshawn. For real.
You might be able to talk me up to 1.46, but I still think that personal feelings toward Keyshawn are clouding all of our thoughts on the matter. Moulds is also a PITA and also on the downside of his career too.
Moulds has always been a FAR better receiver than Keyshawn. How could you possibly argue with that?
ladies can we just agree that either one of them would be a significant upgrade to the eagle wr's and lets get it done
Moulds is a PITA because of one incident? ???
meshawn has averaged 74 catches, 976 yds, and 6 td's per season in his 10 year career.
in his 8 years as a starter, moulds has averaged 78 catches, 1097 yds, and 5.8 td's per season.
FAR BETTER!
Quote from: rjs246 on March 22, 2006, 10:34:43 AM
Moulds has always been a FAR better receiver than Keyshawn. How could you possibly argue with that?
They came into the league the same year. Keyshawn is a year older, but they both have 11 years in the NFL. Both are big-bodied possession receivers and rarely stretch the field anymore.
Moulds career YPC is 13.5. Keyshawn's is **way lower** at 13.1.
Moulds has 9,096 career receiving yards. Keyshawn has 9,756.
Moulds has 48 career TD's. Keyshawn has 60.
And if you want to use the "but Keyshawn's fallen off more recently" argument??
Keyshawn has a higher YPC, more catches of 20+ yards, slightly more first downs, and 5 more TD's over the last 3 seasons, despite only playing 10 games in 2003.
I'd still take Moulds if I had to choose between the two because the Eagles are jilted right now from TO and don't need another complete headcase at the WR position... but Moulds could turn out to be just as disruptive behind the scenes. I'm just saying that thinking Moulds is gawd and Keyshawn is the devil is a little too polarized from the truth.
FAR BETTER!
gargano saying on the radio today that the eagles are 100% not getting another wr of any significance...there may be some additional camp bodies brought in but no moulds no keyshawn no burleson ect....NO NO NO
what a shock
has eric moulds been stuck in buffalo his entire career?
Again, are we supposed to believe what someone on WIP says?
Really. I don't care if he's having buttsex with Tom Heckert. He knows as much as we do.
Quote from: mussa on March 22, 2006, 10:53:32 AM
has eric moulds been stuck in buffalo his entire career?
yep. since '96.
Really. I don't care if he's having buttsex with Tom Heckert. He knows as much as we do.
hes certainly not an insider and he could definitely be wrong on this but the way he came with it leads me to believe him...he wasnt giving it as opinion like he normally would he was saying it as fact...
I GUARANTEE and am even willing to put money on it that neither Moulds or Keyshawn play for the Eagles next season. Any takers?
BALLS OUT!
You're really goin' out on a limb here ain't ya, Mikey?
Quote from: Wingspan on March 22, 2006, 11:07:10 AM
BALLS OUT!
yes...the balls out bandwagon is growing!
I have to agree with Gargano, and frankly, I don't mind. I don't think Donovan has a real shortage of targets for this year as of now. The receiving ability of the WR's, TE's, and RB is really better than anything he had pre-T.O. by far. Would it be nice to get another solid guy in the WR corps? Sure. But that's hardly the #1 issue the team has right now.
Frankly, I'd rather the team adds to the OL and the front seven... and maybe adds a better fullback and/or a bigger running back. I'd prioritize all of that above WR right now.
The top three targets for McNabb in 2006 will and should be Westbrook, L.J., and Reggie Brown, in no particular order. I'd be OK with that if I thought he'd have any time to find them before running for his life and/or a running game to offset the opposing teams' pass rush.
No takers? Great, next subject.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 22, 2006, 11:10:32 AM
I have to agree with Gargano, and frankly, I don't mind. I don't think Donovan has a real shortage of targets for this year as of now. The receiving ability of the WR's, TE's, and RB is really better than anything he had pre-T.O. by far. Would it be nice to get another solid guy in the WR corps? Sure. But that's hardly the #1 issue the team has right now.
Frankly, I'd rather the team adds to the OL and the front seven... and maybe adds a better fullback and/or a bigger running back. I'd prioritize all of that above WR right now.
The top three targets for McNabb in 2006 will and should be Westbrook, L.J., and Reggie Brown, in no particular order. I'd be OK with that if I thought he'd have any time to find them before running for his life and/or a running game to offset the opposing teams' pass rush.
God bless you FF! Someone with a brain. You build an offense Inside, out, front to back.
Comcast SportsNet:
QuoteAccording to reports, the Eagles have been interested in free agent wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, whom Dallas released last week. According to the Eagles, however, the team has not arranged a visit for the 33-year-old Johnson, who had a team-high 71 receptions last season for 839 yards and six touchdowns.
Admiring from afar. The Eagles this year in FA are like that nerdy kid in high school that has a crush on every hot girl in the school but are too afraid to try to get with them.
Maybe they don't have a rubber?
I'd hope that a guy with more than $20 million would be able to afford a rubber or two... even a magnum. ;)
(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5892/capspace8fa.jpg)
sign jonathan wells
....
I submit that they could get worse than what they have. For instance, Az Hazim.
Untrue... Hakim would make our WR's better by comparison.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 23, 2006, 12:49:42 PM
Untrue... Hakim would make our WR's better by comparison.
Ah, so we can't lose. Get Na Brown!
Jesus Christ...the last caller was a bona fide retard.
- Switch to a 3-4!
- Can we move Trent Cole to LB?
- The Eagles should sign PK Sam to be in the WR mix.
I'm on a delay. I'm just getting to this guy now.
Dave says Trent Cole's body is unbelievable.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 23, 2006, 02:42:09 PM
I'm on a delay. I'm just getting to this guy now.
Dave says Trent Cole's body is unbelievable.
.....and he likes horse-back riding, long walks on the beach, and playing Jenga Friday nights with his friends
:-D
Reese made a funny.
I guess Dave needed someone to drool about on the team after T.O. left.
i said essentially the same thing last summer when i was touting cole as a future nfl sack leader
dukes is a physical being
Hooray for undersized defensive linemen!
cash over cap?
GOLDEN GOOSE, eddie george. Obviously.
i stink.
preposterous!
zPREPOSTEROUS!
indeed.
I think you should all throw yourselves into the sun.
Get Cole.
Who's Cole?
Cole Trickle?
Let me out of the car Cole. Let me out of the car.
Yes yes, this thread is coming along nicely.
Spads said Trent Cole is now over 270 and hits the weights relentlessly.
Didn't he play college ball at 240? If he's over 270 now that's kind of farged up.
tell Dave to lick the sweat off his ball sack to test for steroids.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 03:15:12 PM
Didn't he play college ball at 240? If he's over 270 now that's kind of farged up.
He was in the 255-260 range in Cincy.
tell Dave to lick the sweat off his ball sack to test for steroids.
im holding up the line at the kissing booth
:-D :puke
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 03:17:26 PM
im holding up the line at the kissing booth
Dave's? or Trent's? or both?
dave can die
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2006, 03:17:21 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 23, 2006, 03:15:12 PM
Didn't he play college ball at 240? If he's over 270 now that's kind of farged up.
He was in the 255-260 range in Cincy.
I thought this was interesting: All about Trent Cole (http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2004/Players/Cincinnati_TrentCole.htm)
trent cole is the reggie brown of DE's
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 23, 2006, 03:20:41 PM
I thought this was interesting: All about Trent Cole (http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2004/Players/Cincinnati_TrentCole.htm)
Very cool.
QuoteCole's best game so far was ... in the 30-24 three overtime win over Temple last year. Cole ended up earning Conference USA Player of the Week honors for making 14 tackles and three tackles for loss.
Jeezus. How bad does a team have to be to need 3 OT's to beat Temple?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 23, 2006, 03:12:05 PM
Let me out of the cah Cole. Let me out of the cah.
Fixed.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 23, 2006, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 23, 2006, 03:12:05 PM
Let me out of the cah Cole. Let me out of the cah.
Fixed.
absolutely beautiful, i thought about taking it to that extreme, alas i didn't think my phonic humor would be accepted by anybody, i was wrong.
Driving Miss Daisy.
posted by spew a couple minutes ago when asked about the fb position:
QuoteAgain, if you look at the structure of the offense ... the offensive ilne is the key to an offense, right? That and a QB ... The Eagles really, really like Tapeh and we'll find out if he's healthy. They generally don't play a fullback all that much, right? This is the structure of the offense. Your points are all valid, yes. A good FB can do all of those things. But the Eagles use more 3 WR sets and 2 TE sets and the FB doesn't really play that much.
then
QuoteI'm telling you, Tapeh is a big back who can run and be physical. He's on track for being healthy. He's happy with his recovery. We'll see on him ...
jeezus.
Nothing new there. He's been on the Tapeh bandwagon the last 3 weeks.
shocking that theyd be counting on a guy to come back from a serious injury and contribute
Quote from: hunt on March 24, 2006, 12:54:40 PM
posted by spew a couple minutes ago when asked about the fb position:
QuoteAgain, if you look at the structure of the offense ... the offensive ilne is the key to an offense, right? That and a QB ... The Eagles really, really like Tapeh and we'll find out if he's healthy. They generally don't play a fullback all that much, right? This is the structure of the offense. Your points are all valid, yes. A good FB can do all of those things. But the Eagles use more 3 WR sets and 2 TE sets and the FB doesn't really play that much.
then
QuoteI'm telling you, Tapeh is a big back who can run and be physical. He's on track for being healthy. He's happy with his recovery. We'll see on him ...
jeezus.
almost explains why we dont get a lot of 3rd down conversions. Maybe instead of Reid's love fest with running a pitch-out on 3rd and 2 or a passing slant on 3rd and 2, you could use a quality fullback to either block for Westbrook in between the tackles or just use the fullback himself...but why would we want to do that?
Maybe instead of Reid's love fest with running a pitch-out on 3rd and 2 or a passing slant on 3rd and 2
im partial to the low % sideline go route
Quote from: hunt on March 24, 2006, 12:54:40 PM
posted by spew a couple minutes ago when asked about the fb position:
QuoteAgain, if you look at the structure of the offense ... the offensive ilne is the key to an offense, right? That and a QB ... The Eagles really, really like Tapeh and we'll find out if he's healthy. They generally don't play a fullback all that much, right? This is the structure of the offense. Your points are all valid, yes. A good FB can do all of those things. But the Eagles use more 3 WR sets and 2 TE sets and the FB doesn't really play that much.
then
QuoteI'm telling you, Tapeh is a big back who can run and be physical. He's on track for being healthy. He's happy with his recovery. We'll see on him ...
jeezus.
yeah and so can every fullback in the NFL Davey, christ I can run to the corner store and be physical, whats your point? Unbelievably brainwashed....
Quote from: reese125 on March 24, 2006, 01:08:15 PM
yeah and so can every fullback in the NFL Davey, christ I can run to the corner store and be physical, whats your point? Unbelievably brainwashed....
i'm not sure what that means, but it leads me to believe that you like to suck wang.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 24, 2006, 01:08:15 PM
yeah and so can every fullback in the NFL Davey, christ I can run to the corner store and be physical, whats your point? Unbelievably brainwashed....
i'm not sure what that means, but it leads me to believe that you like to suck wang.
here we go...more of Mo's gay fantasies. Just come out already will ya....your only lying to yourself.
here we go
haha
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 24, 2006, 02:35:43 PM
QuoteEagles | Team meets with Fantuz
Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:46:52 -0800
Morris Dalla Costa, of the London Free Press reports the Philadelphia Eagles met with Canadian NFL draft prospect WR Andy Fantuz last week. Whether he'll be picked in the NFL draft beginning April 29 is something agent Hadley Engelhard won't speculate on. He may also go No. 1 in the CFL draft April 20. "He did quite well working out," said Engelhard. "During his week at the East-West Shrine Game, he proved he's able to play NFL-style football. He picked things up quickly. The terminology wasn't a problem. The route running wasn't a problem."
yep
i'm about to go PG on yo ass
check out this post from EMB, it's TATERiffic:
QuoteI don't want to sound like a Tater and I refuse to be held to this if it's not true
Guy I work with has a friend that works for a Sales company that does business for the eagles
He sent the Guy I work with this Email
"Javon walker just got listed to eagles insurance policy. He is signing shortly."
The guy I work with says this guy never has a since of humor, and is always serious, and wouldnt pull a prank like this
Take this for what it's worth but it definately perked my spirits up.
Disclaimer:
Remember I'm not responsible for shattered feelings or unintentional misleedings
Sun, I WILL kill you.
you will not, you admire me too much.
Alright, so Walker's definitely getting traded here. Nice.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 04:20:35 PM
check out this post from EMB, it's TATERiffic:
QuoteI don't want to sound like a Tater and I refuse to be held to this if it's not true
Guy I work with has a friend that works for a Sales company that does business for the eagles
He sent the Guy I work with this Email
"Javon walker just got listed to eagles insurance policy. He is signing shortly."
The guy I work with says this guy never has a since of humor, and is always serious, and wouldnt pull a prank like this
Take this for what it's worth but it definately perked my spirits up.
Disclaimer:
Remember I'm not responsible for shattered feelings or unintentional misleedings
LOL, "signing" with the Eagles? Classic.
SINCE OF HUMOR!
Now what do we do?!?!
Reggie has #86 which Jabar wants.
Jabar has #84 which he doesn't really want but will take if he can't get #86 from Reggie.
Javon will want #84 but may have to take it from Jabar if Jabar can't get #86 from Reggie.
If Jabar Gets #86 from Reggie, what if Reggie wants #84?
Will Reggie have to ask Javon for #84 even though he's not here yet?
If Jabar doesn't get #86 and has to keep #84, will he let Javon take it from him?
If Jabar does give up #84, will he want to take #80 because Wilbur sure as hell ain't doing shtein with it?
???
easy solution....
Jabar - 86
Javon - 84
Reggie B - 80
Billy Mac - cut
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 24, 2006, 05:11:54 PM
easy solution....
Jabar - 86
Javon - 84
Reggie B - 80
Billy Mac - cut maimed
IN
lesson - do not purchase an Eagles WR jersey.
it also hurts that they are short one number...
#81 is currently in character de-contamination
Quote from: MURP on March 24, 2006, 05:13:48 PM
lesson - do not purchase an Eagles WR jersey.
Wish I had learned that lesson 2 years ago... :boom
Quote from: MURP on March 24, 2006, 05:13:48 PM
lesson - do not purchase an Eagles WR jersey.
I'm just waiting to see how I need to alter my #84.
Quote from: MURP on March 24, 2006, 05:13:48 PM
lesson - do not purchase an Eagles WR jersey.
I'll wear my McMullen #81 jersey with pride.
QuoteBrendan (Philly): jg, ive heard some rumors that the eagles might make a trade for javon walker, any truth to these rumors?
Jeremy Green: (4:09 PM ET ) This has been floating all day. I talked with someone in the Eagles organization and they told me they would do the deal if the compensation is "right." Green Bay wants a minimum of a 2, and that is a little steep for a player coming off an injury and a guys who has been somewhat out-spoken and disgrunteld in Green Bay
*Ducks*
The "right" compensation = they take the worst of our 4th rounders and like it
who the farg is Jeremy green
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 05:29:05 PM
who the farg is Jeremy green
isn't the the crappy DE who played college ball opposite Jerome McShotintheguts? Oh wait, that's Jamal Green.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 24, 2006, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 05:29:05 PM
who the farg is Jeremy green
isn't the the crappy DE who played college ball opposite Jerome McShotintheguts? Oh wait, that's Jamal Green.
ha
I would trade down in the second for a later second round pick and a third or fourth then trade that new second rounder for Walker. Madden rules.
Or, just offer the existing 3rd rounder, because that's probably all it would take.
SD is my friend
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 05:29:05 PM
who the farg is Jeremy green
QuoteChat with Jeremy Green
Welcome to The Show! On Friday, ESPN.com NFL Insider Jeremy Green will stop by to take your questions about the recent NFL free agency moves and more. Green writes regularly for ESPN.com's NFL Insider section and is a former NFL scout and director of pro personnel for the Cleveland Browns.
Send your questions now and join Jeremy right here on Friday at 4 p.m. ET for
(http://espn.go.com/i/columnists/green_jeremy_m.jpg)
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 24, 2006, 05:33:16 PM
Or, just offer the existing 3rd rounder, because that's probably all it would take.
So
giving them Hollis Thomas is what's been holding this deal up?!
Quote from: rjs246 on March 24, 2006, 05:32:13 PM
I would trade down in the second for a later second round pick and a third or fourth then trade that new second rounder for Walker. Madden rules.
Hollis and Keith Adams straight up for Shawne Merriman is the greatest Madden trade of all time.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 24, 2006, 05:27:21 PM
QuoteBrendan (Philly): jg, ive heard some rumors that the eagles might make a trade for javon walker, any truth to these rumors?
Jeremy Green: (4:09 PM ET ) This has been floating all day. I talked with someone in the Eagles organization and they told me they would do the deal if the compensation is "right." Green Bay wants a minimum of a 2, and that is a little steep for a player coming off an injury and a guys who has been somewhat out-spoken and disgrunteld in Green Bay
*Ducks*
who the hell is jeremy green and why should i care if he's a friend of someone on the cafeteria staff?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 24, 2006, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 05:29:05 PM
who the farg is Jeremy green
QuoteChat with Jeremy Green
Welcome to The Show! On Friday, ESPN.com NFL Insider Jeremy Green will stop by to take your questions about the recent NFL free agency moves and more. Green writes regularly for ESPN.com's NFL Insider section and is a former NFL scout and director of pro personnel for the Cleveland Browns.
Send your questions now and join Jeremy right here on Friday at 4 p.m. ET for
(http://espn.go.com/i/columnists/green_jeremy_m.jpg)
so basically he's slightly less qualified than me?
Quote from: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 06:17:33 PM
so basically he's slightly less qualified than me?
Little high on ourselves aren't we?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 24, 2006, 05:11:54 PM
easy solution....
Jabar - 86
Javon - 84
Reggie B - 80
Billy Mac - cut
Gaffney = 86
Walker = 84
Moulds = 80
Brown = 81
HOLLA!1
I am looking forward to seeing what Thomas Tapeh can do. They drafted him to be a single back runner & FB so we'll see whats up. GF will be happy though.
Thomas Tapeh?! The running back who couldn't get ANY playing time as a rookie and who, when he did play, broke his hip like he was my grandmother? Yeah. Lets count on that guy. What the farg?
I liked the idea of him when he was a rookie as well, but to think for one second that he will do anything is laughable.
Just because he didn't play as a rookie doesn't really mean much.
The fact that he Bo Jackson'd himself is a little concerning though. But if he is healthy (and it will be something like 18 months from injury to training camp 2006) then I think he could be good.
And let's be real here. Anyone not named Josh Parry is an upgrade.
I'd kill to have a stud FB, but it isn't going to happen. So I just focus on seeing Parry cut and Tapeh doing what they drafted him to do.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 24, 2006, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 06:17:33 PM
so basically he's slightly less qualified than me?
Little high on ourselves aren't we?
nope, not at all. i know i know nothing. he doesnt.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:21:35 PM
Just because he didn't play as a rookie doesn't really mean much.
The fact that he Bo Jackson'd himself is a little concerning though. But if he is healthy (and it will be something like 18 months from injury to training camp 2006) then I think he could be good.
And let's be real here. Anyone not named Josh Parry is an upgrade.
I'd kill to have a stud FB, but it isn't going to happen. So I just focus on seeing Parry cut and Tapeh doing what they drafted him to do.
Not to be repetitive. Lord knows I hate that. But noogies, dude. Noogies.
I have a hunch that after the Eagles are awarded (a) compensatory pick(s), they might then have RFA Hunter Hillenmeyer in for a visit. He would cost the team a 5th round pick, but he is a young guy who can completely shut down the TE.
It makes sense that they'd wait until the compensatory selections are announced, because they wouldn't want to be without all selections in the 5th and 6th rounds (they already don't have their 6th round pick, if you forgot).
Walker is the guy I want, but it just seemed way too good to be true from the get go, so I never really got excited about the possibility.
I still won' get excited about it, but if we could get him I give this offseason an automatic A.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 25, 2006, 01:32:51 AM
I have a hunch that after the Eagles are awarded (a) compensatory pick(s), they might then have RFA Hunter Hillenmeyer in for a visit. He would cost the team a 5th round pick, but he is a young guy who can completely shut down the TE.
It makes sense that they'd wait until the compensatory selections are announced, because they wouldn't want to be without all selections in the 5th and 6th rounds (they already don't have their 6th round pick, if you forgot).
That would be nice. I would love to add Hillenmeyer. Like I said before, him playing for Ron Rivera has to count for something with him being a branch of the Johnson coaching tree and all.
Then they could send Bowtie packing and that would allow them to not HAVE to draft a LB early or even at all. They can go BPA, which is the best thing to do.
If they get Moulds/Walker or Hillenmeyer/Arrington, then that's 2 positions they don't need to draft. They can just load up on d-line and o-line.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2006, 01:45:16 AM
Then they could send Bowtie packing and that would allow them to not HAVE to draft a LB early or even at all. They can go BPA, which is the best thing to do.
Yep, except for the DT position... which they pretty much have to get on day 1.
As much as I would love to add Walker or Moulds, I wouldn't expect it to happen. My money would be on them maybe adding a SAM and then being done with FA. They've been looking at a lot of college WRs. And I think they have a man-crush on Maurice Stovall. Which would be a good pick (in rd 2), IMO.
Most likely sceanrio:
DT, LB, WR added in the draft
50/50 chance of happening:
Signing Hillenmeyer, drafting a DT and WR
Dream scenario:
Acquire Moulds or Walker, sign Hillenmeyer, draft a DT.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 24, 2006, 09:26:23 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:21:35 PM
Just because he didn't play as a rookie doesn't really mean much.
The fact that he Bo Jackson'd himself is a little concerning though. But if he is healthy (and it will be something like 18 months from injury to training camp 2006) then I think he could be good.
And let's be real here. Anyone not named Josh Parry is an upgrade.
I'd kill to have a stud FB, but it isn't going to happen. So I just focus on seeing Parry cut and Tapeh doing what they drafted him to do.
Not to be repetitive. Lord knows I hate that. But noogies, dude. Noogies.
:-D
Embrace the homerism, dude. Let yourself go and breath in some optimism! It's good for you.
I don't expect either, but I think adding Walker or Moulds is more likely than Arrington at this point.
Part of me hopes this Tapeh love is a smokescreen and that they are really hoping to land LenDale with #14, and part of me is hoping that they really and honestly do expect big things from Tapeh so they don't feel compelled to use that pick on a running back.
Either way, I would love for the team to not have to carry Parry on the roster and also have some sort of option for a semblance of the occasional power running game.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 25, 2006, 01:54:14 AM
I don't expect either, but I think adding Walker or Moulds is more likely than Arrington at this point.
I'd have to agree. Arrington is all-but off the radar now.
If they can put up with Buck and McDougle finding ways to miss season after season I'm alright with them wanting to see if Tapeh can contribute. If he can, I'm getting a new jersey this year.
I know I'll be tarred and feathered for saying this....
But I am not very high on the idea of drafting Lendale White. I know we need a big back. But I don't think I want to spend a 1st round pick on a big back who has character issues and has been known to be in the 250lb range. That's OK for an OL to be fatter or even Jerome Bettis can get away with it because he was on his last legs.
But you can find gems and solid players at the RB position later on in the draft. Our big back won't get a lot of carries. Westbrook and Moats will get the bulk of them. Give me a guy like Cedric Humes in the 7th rd. and that could be good enough. He isn't the only guy I would like to see here later in the draft, there are others. But since I am at work I don't have access to my lists.
Edit: and if Tapeh is fully healthy he can be that guy. So could Bruce Perry.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2006, 02:13:18 AM
I know I'll be tarred and feathered for saying this....
But I am not very high on the idea of drafting Lendale White.
Edit: and if Tapeh is fully healthy he can be that guy. So could Bruce Perry.
I don't like the idea of drafting LenDale at #14 much either. But I also hate that the Eagles don't even have the OPTION to pound the ball up the middle time and time again if the situation calls for it.
Bruce Perry? HA! The guy is the same size as Westbrook and Moats, man.
But he is a tough runner. His size doesn't matter. I wouldn't even say we need a big back, let me correct myself. I would say we need a guy who can get the tough yards. And you don't have to be 6'0 230 to be that guy.
James Mungro and Dominic Rhodes are two smaller backs who get Indy tough yards. Rock Cartwright is a guy who gets tough yards for Washington. Mungro and Cartwright have also played FB despite being midgets.
Its all about the attytood, bro. Perry is a tough sumbitch.
Lendale is the best player available, but the question is will he be the best player available to impact the Eagles? I say no. A DT would impact this team more than a RB would. Even if Lendale turns out to be a stud, he won't touch the ball all that much anyway.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 25, 2006, 02:21:02 AM
A DT would impact this team more than a RB would.
True, but if Ngata and Bunkley are off the board and the Eagles still keep #14 and take a DT... not good.
Watson and Wright are both very solid DTs. I wouldn't mind either at 14. You'd think you would trade down, but Watson is going to go around 18ish or so IMO. What would be the point of trading down 4 spots?
We need a DT so bad that we can't afford to take anything but a DT in the first round. That is why I'd like to trade up so the Eagles can get the guy they want. Trading up to 11 should do the trick.
Agreed. If BB and Ngata are gone, they have to trade out or take the BPA there. And if Jimmy Williams or Mike Huff somehow slip and are there at 14, I would love to take one of them.
I read a post on the EMB or PhilaPhans (can't recall which or who wrote it) but they brought up a good point.
When the Eagles are drafting for a need, they do bad.
2001 - they drafted Freddie due to a need at WR. Bad pick.
2003 - they drafted McDougle because Hugh left. McDougle is still an unknown due to health.
But when they go BPA?
2000 - Corey Simon (he was goo from 2000-2003 and half of 2004)
2002 - Lito, Sheldon, Lewis
2004 - Andrews
2005 - Patterson, Reggie Brown
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 25, 2006, 02:27:23 AM
Watson and Wright are both very solid DTs. I wouldn't mind either at 14. You'd think you would trade down, but Watson is going to go around 18ish or so IMO. What would be the point of trading down 4 spots?
We need a DT so bad that we can't afford to take anything but a DT in the first round. That is why I'd like to trade up so the Eagles can get the guy they want. Trading up to 11 should do the trick.
Watson and Wright are basically the same story. Great upside and massive downside due to consistent lack of effort in key situations. Neither of them will go before pick 20. Book that. Wright will more than likely be there in the 2nd round when the Eagles select.
They could theoretically move to 11 with the 3rd rounder, but what if they use that 3rd rounder to get Javon Walker... or what if Vernon Davis is off the board and the Rams want to go DT (they lost two in FA)? Then the price just went way up. Not good.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2006, 02:28:37 AM
When the Eagles are drafting for a need, they do bad.
This is exactly why I think there is a solid chance that they've learned their lesson and will not trade up for Bunkley. He's a good prospect at #14, but he is only worth trading up for if you're desperate for him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 25, 2006, 01:58:09 AM
Part of me hopes this Tapeh love is a smokescreen and that they are really hoping to land LenDale with #14, and part of me is hoping that they really and honestly do expect big things from Tapeh so they don't feel compelled to use that pick on a running back.
Either way, think how stupid that is on the Eagles part. Smoke screening with a severly injured FB? ha. Expected a seriously injured FB to come in and do big things? ha.
sounds just like the Eagles.
Yes, it certainly does. And let's not forget Tapeh's from the slow Big Ten.
jonathan wells should have been signed a long time ago to be the big back
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 25, 2006, 01:32:51 AM
I have a hunch that after the Eagles are awarded (a) compensatory pick(s), they might then have RFA Hunter Hillenmeyer in for a visit. He would cost the team a 5th round pick, but he is a young guy who can completely shut down the TE.
It makes sense that they'd wait until the compensatory selections are announced, because they wouldn't want to be without all selections in the 5th and 6th rounds (they already don't have their 6th round pick, if you forgot).
I was wondering when compensatory picks would be announced. I imagine they'll get at least two picks with one being possibly the best compensatory pick allocated for losing Burgess. they also lost Simon and Reese and only signed Mike McMahon.
We should get a comp pick for McMahon. Just for putting up with that shtein for a year.
Quote from: troyhstewart on March 25, 2006, 11:55:14 AM
I was wondering when compensatory picks would be announced. I imagine they'll get at least two picks with one being possibly the best compensatory pick allocated for losing Burgess. they also lost Simon and Reese and only signed Mike McMahon.
They get nothing for losing Simon, because they first franchised him.
Basically, their comp picks will be determined by the losses of Mayberry, Burgess, and Reese and the "gain" of Mike McMahon. The problem is that the formula takes into account salary and games played/started a lot more than anything else. I think Ed posted a projection that the Eagles would only get a 5th and a 6th probably. You would think they'd get a 4th for losing Burgess considering the year he had, but they might not apparently.
Next year, they will get nothing. They are only losing Keith Adams and ND Kalu, really. Owens and McMahon won't count because they were both cut. The gains largely outweigh the losses, so no 2007 comp picks.
Since you guys love Eskin so much, here's what he said on Sports Final:
-- the Eagles are not a "6-10 team" and they're actually the best team in the division, with the Giants being the closest in terms of talent.
-- TO will ruin Dallas
-- the Eagles have their eyes on a RB and WR from another team, but he doesn't have any names yet. He thinks Walker is the WR they're watching.
-- DT will be a day one pick
We all know Eskin's a moron but I believe there is a genuine interest in Walker on the Eagles behalf. We're probably offering a 3rd and they want a second.
The RB is obviously Tomlinson.
Give up the second. They're only going to draft a WR that won't play anyway.
I wouldn't be opposed to that.
How about:
A 3rd and Hicks - since they lost a lot of O-Lineman
A 3rd and Hood - doubt Eagles do it
A 3rd and Walker - another addition for their D-Line
One of those 3 I think could get it done.
Or how bout a 3rd and 4th since we have 300 of them.
A 3rd and Garcia.
QuoteAgent: Moulds wants to play for Eagles
By PAUL DOMOWITCH
pdomo@aol.com
ORLANDO, Fla. - Eric Moulds has a wish list of five teams he'd like to play for, and guess who's at the tippy-top of it?
That's right. The Eagles.
"Every time I mention Philadelphia, Eric's ears perk up," said Greg Johnson, who represents the 32-year-old Bills wide receiver along with his partner, Harry Henderson. "He wants to go to Philadelphia. He really feels he could help them. He loves the idea of being an Eagle and playing with Donovan [McNabb]."
Moulds wants out of Buffalo, and the Bills, who will have to pay him $7.1 million in salary and bonuses this year if he's on the team, are only too happy to oblige him. They have put the word out that he can be had for a second-day pick in next month's draft.
But don't start visualizing him in an Eagles uniform quite yet.
Johnson said he talked to Eagles president Joe Banner last week. He said there is "some interest" in Moulds by the Eagles, which an organization source also acknowledged.
But as much as Moulds would love to catch passes from McNabb, he is not interested in doing it for free, or anything close to free.
According to a source from one of the five teams on Moulds' wish list, which also includes New Eng-land, Seattle, Kansas City and Denver, the wide receiver is looking for a contract similar to the one Isaac Bruce signed with the St. Louis Rams 2 weeks ago.
Bruce, who is a year older than Moulds, signed a 3-year, $15 million contract with the Rams on March 10. He had been released by the team a few days earlier, before the league agreed to a new labor extension with the players that significantly increased the salary cap.
Moulds has as much chance of getting a $5 million-a-year deal from the Eagles as Saddam Hussein does of getting an acquittal. Whether he'll get it from anyone else remains to be seen.
"Right now, the money aspect is out of whack," said one league general manager. "If he wants to get traded, he's going to have to come to grips that he's not going to get that. Or maybe he will. Maybe there's a team that's willing to pay him that."
One league source indicated that there may be - the Houston Texans. But the Texans won just two games last season, which isn't exactly a great place for a wideout with Super Bowl aspirations and a ticking biological clock to go.
Johnson confirmed that the Texans have expressed interest in Moulds. "They're very interested," he said. "There are other teams in the mix as well. We're going to play it by ear. We'll see what happens."
Since catching 100 passes for 1,292 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2002, Moulds' pass-catching production has dropped off significantly. He has just 10 touchdown catches and has averaged only 77.6 catches per year the last three seasons, though the poor offensive talent around him, particularly at quarterback, has had more than a little to do with that.
Johnson said Moulds has spoken recently with McNabb. He said the two have been friends for 5 or 6 years.
"Eric would like nothing better than to play with Donovan," he said. "He said he was looking forward to going out to Arizona and training with him [if he's traded to the Eagles]."
jesus christ as much as getting moulds or walker would make me go nuts i really believe this team thinks (and they might be right) they are set with jabar and reggie. if they get moulds or walker it would mean brown plays #2 and i doubt they signed jabar to play the #3 spot when we also have a pinkston returning. or is that why he signed a yr deal? i dont know but getting moulds or walker would IMO put us back on track for being a high powered offense even if not as amazing as it was with TO (first TO season).
i really believe this team thinks (and they might be right) they are set with jabar and reggie
as stuborn as this regime is i cant/dont/wont believe that
Now if your management, and you know you have a legitimate #1 threat on offense (not a "god I hope so" #1 in Brown), wouldnt you go for it in a heartbeat? Especially since the guy really wants to be here. The Eagles need to step out of their "only sign young players"comfort zone and realize whats at stake. A winning season/deep in the playoffs, or an 8-8 season.
This reminds me of a situation, not to long ago, when somebody I know was lobbying to be here and his wish was granted. Of course he's no longer here...but it happened.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 27, 2006, 05:01:49 AM
QuoteAgent: Moulds wants to play for Eagles
By PAUL DOMOWITCH
pdomo@aol.com
ORLANDO, Fla. - Eric Moulds has a wish list of five teams he'd like to play for, and guess who's at the tippy-top of it?
That's right. The Eagles.
"Every time I mention Philadelphia, Eric's ears perk up," said Greg Johnson, who represents the 32-year-old Bills wide receiver along with his partner, Harry Henderson. "He wants to go to Philadelphia. He really feels he could help them. He loves the idea of being an Eagle and playing with Donovan [McNabb]."
Moulds wants out of Buffalo, and the Bills, who will have to pay him $7.1 million in salary and bonuses this year if he's on the team, are only too happy to oblige him. They have put the word out that he can be had for a second-day pick in next month's draft.
But don't start visualizing him in an Eagles uniform quite yet.
Johnson said he talked to Eagles president Joe Banner last week. He said there is "some interest" in Moulds by the Eagles, which an organization source also acknowledged.
But as much as Moulds would love to catch passes from McNabb, he is not interested in doing it for free, or anything close to free.
According to a source from one of the five teams on Moulds' wish list, which also includes New Eng-land, Seattle, Kansas City and Denver, the wide receiver is looking for a contract similar to the one Isaac Bruce signed with the St. Louis Rams 2 weeks ago.
Bruce, who is a year older than Moulds, signed a 3-year, $15 million contract with the Rams on March 10. He had been released by the team a few days earlier, before the league agreed to a new labor extension with the players that significantly increased the salary cap.
Moulds has as much chance of getting a $5 million-a-year deal from the Eagles as Saddam Hussein does of getting an acquittal. Whether he'll get it from anyone else remains to be seen.
"Right now, the money aspect is out of whack," said one league general manager. "If he wants to get traded, he's going to have to come to grips that he's not going to get that. Or maybe he will. Maybe there's a team that's willing to pay him that."
One league source indicated that there may be - the Houston Texans. But the Texans won just two games last season, which isn't exactly a great place for a wideout with Super Bowl aspirations and a ticking biological clock to go.
Johnson confirmed that the Texans have expressed interest in Moulds. "They're very interested," he said. "There are other teams in the mix as well. We're going to play it by ear. We'll see what happens."
Since catching 100 passes for 1,292 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2002, Moulds' pass-catching production has dropped off significantly. He has just 10 touchdown catches and has averaged only 77.6 catches per year the last three seasons, though the poor offensive talent around him, particularly at quarterback, has had more than a little to do with that.
Johnson said Moulds has spoken recently with McNabb. He said the two have been friends for 5 or 6 years.
"Eric would like nothing better than to play with Donovan," he said. "He said he was looking forward to going out to Arizona and training with him [if he's traded to the Eagles]."
I was just going to post this.
GET MOULDS!There is interest on both sides. Get. It. Done. Now!
Uh, so far, there is only interest on one side. The Eagles haven't shown the smallest bit of interest yet.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 27, 2006, 09:20:01 AM
Uh, so far, there is only interest on one side. The Eagles haven't shown the smallest bit of interest yet.
QuoteJohnson said he talked to Eagles president Joe Banner last week. He said there is "some interest" in Moulds by the Eagles, which an organization source also acknowledged.
"some interest" could mean they'd be interested if he agrees to play for free.
Touche.
Im grinning when I say this, but this could of been part of the plan the whole time. Keep the cap dollars, wait and see approach to sign a legit #1,a nd still have enough to resign your core players. Completely f*ck Jerry Jones and Snyder to make their FA mud ducks look silly! Its a wing and a prayer signing, and will get the fans believing again...no question...get it done!
The Eagles will wait too long hoping he'll get released and/or try to underbid for him and get screwed. Book it.
no doubt
He will get released, and everyone knows it. Just like with TO, teams know it's only a matter of time.
So, trading for him would be stupid.
No locking him up and knowing that you've gotten someone who can help your team for the piddling price of a 4th round pick, of which we have several, is not stupid. Stupid.
if moulds wanting to come to the eagles is true theres no need to give up a pick for him...just be willing to pay the man and hes yours without having to give up a pick
We'll see how true it is once he's released and some other team offers him more money.
What if Houston is desperate enough to give up a pick before June 1?
they still have to pay him...and before they give up a pick for him they are going to work out a contract...texans arent going to give up a pick for him if he tells them hes not signing for X amount of dollars
each team is allowed to cut 2 players now, that can count as June 1 cuts. i can't believe that Buffalo actually thinks they will get anything for him. just cut him now
They just said on the NFL channel that the Bills are only seeking a 4th for Moulds.
Hey! did anyone hear what it is the Bills are looking for in a trade for Moulds?
eddie george
Quote from: rjs246 on March 27, 2006, 11:38:26 AM
Hey! did anyone hear what it is the Bills are looking for in a trade for Moulds?
No, and I didn't see it in this thread Mr. Smartypants.
big jon is back
get kevin johnson
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 27, 2006, 11:34:01 AM
They just said on the NFL channel that the Bills are only seeking a 4th for Moulds.
We have that really low 4th we got from Indy.
Like I said with the Hillenmeyer situation, I think the Eagles might be waiting to see where their compensatory picks fall before trading any picks away or giving them up as compensation for an RFA. Makes sense.
QuoteMoulds has his eye on Eagles
By MARK GAUGHAN
News Sports Reporter
3/27/2006
Eric Moulds' representative says the Philadelphia Eagles are interested in his client, and the feeling is mutual.
"Eric has a wish list of teams, and a lot of those teams on his list are interested," said Greg Johnson, Moulds' New Orleans-based advisor. "I'm optimistic we can work something out that will be acceptable to the Bills."
The Eagles have had discussions with Moulds' advisors in the past week, since the Bills granted permission to Moulds to seek a trade. Johnson said Moulds has talked on the phone with Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb. An Eagles source told the Philadelphia Inquirer that the team would be interested at the right price for Moulds.
"Several teams are in the mix," Johnson said. "I think Philly would be a good place for Eric."
New England, Kansas City, Denver and Houston are other teams Johnson identified as having interest.
Johnson said any deal would require the Bills to accept a draft-pick compensation as well as Moulds striking a new contract with the team that acquires him. A pick of the second day of the draft is probably what another team would offer in a trade.
Eskin said last night on Sports Final that there was a WR and a RB both on NFL rosters right now that they have interest in.
Hopefully one is Moulds.
The only thing is, Moulds isn't a free agent, and the Bills are the ones that decide Moulds' fate, not Moulds. They could ship him off to the Texans for a 3rd if they wanted.
Eskin said last night on Sports Final that there was a WR and a RB both on NFL rosters right now that they have interest in.
Hopefully one is Moulds.
he also just said on his radio show that they are not getting moulds or any big money wr's
I think that was just his opinion.
So I guess the Moulds PC will be sometime this week then, huh?
The fact that you jit nozzles are listening to Eskin right now amuses me.
<---no WIP for me, jizzy mcjizz.
<---------wip listener and proud of it
<----------Liked the Billy Wagner trade
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 27, 2006, 03:45:29 PM
Eskin said last night on Sports Final that there was a WR and a RB both on NFL rosters right now that they have interest in.
Hopefully one is Moulds.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2006, 03:50:28 PM
he also just said on his radio show that they are not getting moulds or any big money wr's
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 03:52:06 PM
So I guess the Moulds PC will be sometime this week then, huh?
So the Eagles aren't interested in any WRs, but they'll wind up with Moulds and he'll get big money. My brain hurts.
Tumor. Might want to get that checked out.
Eskin:
Birds have no interest in Moulds and are waiting for another team to cut a wideout. Says they would have interest in Walker. Take it for what it's worth. Walker would be a nice addition.
Ahh...Mr. info...beat it!
MacNow/WIP will have Moulds' agent on shortly and possibly Moulds himself, right now it's Moe Cheeks.
I feel sorry for Moe :'(
info info for those who refuse to listen to wip
QuoteAdam Scheffer of NFL Network just said that Eric Moulds looks like he is about to be cut by the Bills because no team is willing to give up a fourth round pick for him. He then said the team most interested in signing him are the Philadelphia Eagles, followed by the Houston Texans. The Patriots apparently dropped out of the race
Please be true, please be true, please be true, please be true, please be true.
I might have to turn WIP on....
Quote from: MDS on March 27, 2006, 07:38:08 PM
info info for those who refuse to listen to wip
Someone called me to tell me, otherwise I'd have no idea...I'll post updates I guess.
I'm going to fire it up and break my self ban
your a strong, strong man
I know. I'll bite the bullet to help you out, mcnabb_defense_superbowl.
So, any update?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 27, 2006, 08:12:30 PM
So, any update?
Yeah, Moe Cheeks is gone and there's a StubHub commercial on.
Who's Moe Cheeks?
This is why I hate WIP. They are just stringing it along to keep people listening. Total slop until the interview, which will probably be anti-climatic. The guy asking questions about Runyan now sounds like Sol from the Jerky boys.
"They put hot pokahs on my nipples and whatnot."
better yet, we got to hear about Macnows favorite place to eat ribs...thank god. I can turn it off now
He's coming on now...I will update
Quote from: reese125 on March 27, 2006, 08:42:49 PM
better yet, we got to hear about Macnows favorite place to eat ribs...thank god. I can turn it off now
Sweet Lucy's Smokehouse #2 on his list is a few miles away from me and insanely good.
Oh God and Baby Jesus let this be good.
"Wants to catch balls from Donovan MACKNABB"
Talked to Banner a lot, three times today, there is serious interest from the Eagles end....
Will renogotiate his contract....will work on that now.
Wouldn't mind the Texans, near his home, likes Andre Johnson, reminds him of himself when he was young.
Not a highest bidder kind of thing, wants to go to a winning team. Really likes the idea of working with DMac.
Was upset about situation in Buffalo, too many QBs, too many coaches. Wants a chance to end his career on a high note.
Wants fair market value, but not looking for the biggest check.
Buffalo doesn't owe him a bonus, before June 1, but he will most likely be cut before training camp.
Has been talking to Donovan regularly....
Is it just Moulds' agent or is Moulds himself involved in this interview?
Right now just his agent, trying to get Eric to call in.
Did his agent just call Andy 'Coach Reeves'?
Yeah. Keeps calling mispronouncing Donny's name too.
Something could happen by weeks end or possibly in 2 weeks.
Man this probably is the Jerky Boys prank calling.
Just updating the original post, keep refreshing for updates.
The Jerky Boys would be more believeable.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 27, 2006, 08:49:07 PM
Did his agent just call Andy 'Coach Reeves'?
Sounds like a Jan Goram update.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 27, 2006, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 27, 2006, 08:42:49 PM
better yet, we got to hear about Macnows favorite place to eat ribs...thank god. I can turn it off now
Sweet Lucy's Smokehouse #2 on his list is a few miles away from me and insanely good.
Thats the joint on State rd. right? Love it!!
- Moulds would be pretty excited to catch balls from Donovan. Who wouldn't be?
- Eric and Donovan are good friends. They have been for several years.
- Greg Johnson has been talking to Joe Banner and there is MAJOR INTEREST on both parts.
- It will take both parties to agree to terms and he is not going out on a limb to say that a deal can be done because both parties want to get one done.
- Moulds will be willing to renegotiate his contract if he is traded here, but not in Buffalo. (this would be if he is traded here)
- There is no leader as far as the Chiefs, Texans and Eagles but Eric is more excited to play with Donovan.
- There will be several reason he takes into consideration. The Eagles have an edge because of Donovan, Andy Reid and the great organization. Houston would be because it is close to Mississippi
- What happened in Buffalo was unfortunate and the fact that his consecutive streak of catches was stopped kind of started the bad taste in his mouth. Plus the amount of QBs, head coaches and offensive coordinators and not winning in Buffalo caused him to want to leave.
- This contract is not going to be based on structly money because Eric has been rewarded nicely by the Bills. He wants fair market value but it will not be all about money.
- No timetable, but it could happen by THIS WEEKEND or maybe as long as two weeks depending on the situations.
- Eric is not due any bonuses so June 1st doesn't come into play. He is due a bonus on the first date of TC. So that doesn't matter because he will not play there.
- Philadelphia would be a great situation and so would Houston but Eric really wants an opportunity to win.
- Really thinks Eric will be a good fit here and he is excited about possibly coming here. Really wants to play with Donovan.
- He has spoken to Joe Banner THREE TIMES TODAY
Interview over.
That's it. Nothing much. farging waste of time.
Thanks Phreak......stuck here in work (filters). Good summary
pre cum anyone?
Pre?
I just unloaded.
Quote from: MDS on March 27, 2006, 08:57:52 PM
pre cum anyone?
Im impotent but otherwise yeah.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 27, 2006, 08:54:33 PM
That's it. Nothing much. farging waste of time.
Yes because compared to most other days this offseason tonight has been a total bore.
I'll up the odds from 10% to 20% of Moulds being an Eagle in 2006. 60% Houston, 20% other.
you do realize this is a bunch of guys talkin about shooting off wads? ok, cool.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on March 27, 2006, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 27, 2006, 08:54:33 PM
That's it. Nothing much. farging waste of time.
Yes because compared to most other days this offseason tonight has been a total bore.
All that was really was some agent pimping his client. He did just as much to talk about Moulds' interest in the Texans with "that kid Reggie Bush" as the Birds.
Don't get me wrong, I am as excited about the possibilty of the team landing Moulds as anyone here, but that was basically an open forum for the agent to pimp his client.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 27, 2006, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on March 27, 2006, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 27, 2006, 08:54:33 PM
That's it. Nothing much. farging waste of time.
Yes because compared to most other days this offseason tonight has been a total bore.
All that was really was some agent pimping his client. He did just as much to talk about Moulds' interest in the Texans with "that kid Reggie Bush" as the Birds.
I am more happy about Scheffer reporting we are the most interested.
Glenn is now saying they are working on getting "a very special guest" to come on in a bit. Moulds? Banner? hmmm.
You're killing me Smalls.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 27, 2006, 09:08:02 PM
Glenn is now saying they are working on getting "a very special guest" to come on in a bit. Moulds? Banner? hmmm.
Thanks DC, now i can turn it back on. I had to turn it off after hearing Mo Cheeks last hour. That was sickening.
I'm not going to let myself get excited until he's holding up a midnight green jersey that says Moulds on the back next to Lurie and Reid.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 27, 2006, 10:08:11 PM
I'm not going to let myself get excited until he's holding up a midnight green jersey that says Moulds on the back next to Lurie and Reid.
So, if Lurie skips the press conference... no excitement from you?
I'll have it think about it if that's the case.
Quote from: sharpie on March 27, 2006, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 27, 2006, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 27, 2006, 08:42:49 PM
better yet, we got to hear about Macnows favorite place to eat ribs...thank god. I can turn it off now
Sweet Lucy's Smokehouse #2 on his list is a few miles away from me and insanely good.
Thats the joint on State rd. right? Love it!!
Yup, I eat there once a week.
I liked Rib Rack's ribs better. Great sauce there. Sweet Lucy's tastes tomatoey.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 27, 2006, 10:36:09 PM
I liked Rib Rack's ribs better. Great sauce there. Sweet Lucy's tastes tomatoey.
Tomatoey is the last thing it tastes like, sure you're thinking of the right place?
Yes. What I meant was the sauce on the Ribs isn't as barbequey as I like. It tastes different. Sweetish like tomato sauce in a way.
Haven't been there in a while, so maybe I remember it wrong.
No, you're right, it is sweet. Not really what I'd call Tomatoey though. I always add a little hot sauce in to spicen things up.
Moulds + pimp agent = Texans
but
2007 + Jevon Walker = Eagles
Quote from: Don Ho on March 27, 2006, 10:47:37 PM
Moulds + pimp agent = Texans
but
2007 + Jevon Walker = Eagles
That makes no sense. Drunk?
QuotePatriots | Team not moving fast enough for Moulds
Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:33:01 -0800
Tom E. Curran, of the Providence Journal, reports Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds' advisor, Gerg Johnson, said the Philadelphia Eagles and the Houston Texans are moving faster than the New England Patriots to try to land Moulds. Johnson said, "It's not going to work out [with New England]. The timing's not right. The only way it would get done now is if it falls apart with these other teams, and I don't see that happening." He believes everything will be settled in the next 48 hours.
Nothing will be settled within 48 hours on Moulds unless the Bills release him.
I think a 4th rounder in trade is perfectly reasonable (since we have what, a dozen of those?). The real negotiation is for the new contract Moulds will have to accept.
Moulds said he really wants to go to a winning team, yet it's between the Eagles and the Texans. hmmm.
if the texans offer even as little as one dollar more hes in houston
free agency = (http://www.prairiefare.com/morning%20has%20broken/named%20photos/scanned%20photos/scooping%20manure.jpg)
I don't think the Eagles would trade the 4th rounder (even the late one they got from Indy) when they know very well that the Bills will not go into the season with Moulds on the roster anyway. The same reason the Eagles couldn't get anything in return for T.O., really.
And Houston won't trade their 4th, because the nature of this year's draft means that a lot of talent will fall into the early 4th, and Houston's pick is certainly in the very early 4th.
Moulds will eventually be released, but who knows how long the Bills will wait...
since the other way doesnt work...u know what...I DONT WANT MOULDS. i think it would be a horrible move if we got moulds. he is old, overrated, disgruntled, and old.
this FO sucks if they get Moulds.
GET WALKER!
seriously though i wouldnt mind if they pass up moulds if they can get walker....walker and brown could be a great duo for a very long time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2006, 09:32:02 AM
if the texans offer even as little as one dollar more hes in houston
No doubt in my mind that's true.
the problem with getting moulds is that it will really hurt the eagles ability to get good free agency comp picks next year
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2006, 11:17:35 AM
the problem with getting moulds is that it will really hurt the eagles ability to get good free agency comp picks next year
Wrong! He'd be cut from another team and not subject to compensatory rules. Also, the Eagles have already added much more than they can or will lose by league standards, so at this point, they should add the maximum number of free agents, because they're not going to get any comp picks in 2007 no matter what.
Duh.
because they're not going to get any comp picks in 2007 no matter what.
add it to the list of FO screw ups
According to Roob, Rod Hood just signed his tender offer.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 28, 2006, 02:43:55 PM
According to Roob, Rod Hood just signed his tender offer.
superbowl
Sorry for the actual news post.
Now back to your regular BS. ::)
haha
::)
Chopsticks poking those rolleyes out would be funny.
Banning about ten of your would be funny.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 28, 2006, 03:13:06 PM
Banning about ten of your (sic) would be funny.
Well, at least we could still access the fresh content on the concretefield main page. :yay
People love the fresh content.
Banning ten of us would leave you, PG & Sus left to post here.
:-D
at that point just have lurie and banner take over the board
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 28, 2006, 03:16:25 PM
Banning ten of us would leave you, PG & Sus left to post here.
:-D
We'll miss MURP and Don Ho. The rest of you, meh.
you WANT me on this wall.....you NEED me on this wall
I, for one, know that I am not needed. In fact if I were banned you could all go back to your gay-animal-sex-with-your-mother jokes and live happily ever after.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 28, 2006, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 28, 2006, 03:16:25 PM
Banning ten of us would leave you, PG & Sus left to post here.
:-D
We'll miss MURP and Don Ho. The rest of you, meh.
That hurt, man. We have feelings, you know, you cruel bastich.
:'(
ill be sad
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 28, 2006, 02:43:55 PM
According to Roob, Rod Hood just signed his tender offer.
well that's good....he's a solid #3 & i'm not very confident about the guys behind him.
QuotePackers | Team will not trade J. Walker
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:11:26 -0800
ESPNews reports the Green Bay Packers will not trade WR Javon Walker.
way to kill the positive buzz created by the hood tender signing thingy.
Quote from: hunt on March 28, 2006, 04:09:56 PM
way to kill the positive buzz created by the hood tender signing thingy.
The only reason his signing would create any kind of positive buzz would be if you had any doubt that it would eventually happen. I knew all along that another team was not going to offer Hood a big contract and allow the Eagles to collect a 1st rounder in return.
of course...your ability to tell the future is well documented.
anyway, the walker thing was a pipe dream...i'd be happy with moulds.
Quote from: hunt on March 28, 2006, 04:16:14 PM
anyway, the walker thing was a pipe dream...i'd be happy with moulds.
i think his name is mounds.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 28, 2006, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: hunt on March 28, 2006, 04:16:14 PM
anyway, the walker thing was a pipe dream...i'd be happy with moulds.
i think his name is mounds.
hah!...i got that joke.
i need a new goddamn hobby.
Sometimes you feel like a
(http://www.sweetstall.com/acatalog/Almond_Joy.jpg)
Sometimes you
(http://www.brokencandy.com/archives/candy-mounds-2.jpg)
Quote from: hunt on March 28, 2006, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on March 28, 2006, 04:18:42 PM
i think his name is mounds.
hah!...i got that joke.
i need a new goddamn hobby.
Crap. I just got it too. I hate me.
seriously, what a bunch of losers.
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f316/emb_flux/mounds_holla.jpg)
(http://i1.tinypic.com/sfwink.jpg)
If we can head into next season with a WR corps of Moulds, Brown, Gaffney, Lewis, and McMullen/McCants/Jenkins/a rookie I'll be very happy
ESPNews reported the Packers won't trade Walker.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 28, 2006, 04:07:51 PM
QuotePackers | Team will not trade J. Walker
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:11:26 -0800
ESPNews reports the Green Bay Packers will not trade WR Javon Walker.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 28, 2006, 07:57:11 PM
ESPNews reported the Packers won't trade Walker.
Holy crap! Again?!?!?!?
Eagles | Team has not discussed J. Walker trade
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:54:26 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have not had any conversations with the Green Bay Packers about trading for WR Javon Walker. Walker, who recently said he would retire before playing for the Packers again, is coming back from a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee that limited him to just one game last season. The Packers have also said they will not trade Walker.
Eagles | Team has some level of interest in Moulds
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:52:35 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Philadelphia Eagles have some level of interest in Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds, but that the wide receiver's representatives initiated the conversations with the team rather than the other way around, according to a league source. Greg Johnson, who represents Moulds along with agent Harry Henderson, said the wide receiver's first choice is Philadelphia. Though the Bills are trying to trade Moulds, it's far more likely that they'll release him before they have to pay a $1 million roster bonus in July.
QuoteEagles: Browns' Faine interested in the Eagles
03/29/2006
By BOB GROTZ
bobgrotz@aol.com
An unexpected door opened when the Eagles struck out in their bid to sign Pro Bowl center LeCharles Bentley, who inked a six-year, $36 million pact with the Cleveland Browns at the outset of free agency. It appears incumbent Browns center Jeff Faine, a first-round pick out of Notre Dame that would be a good fit for the Eagles, is on their radar. Faine also would interest the Green Bay Packers, who are seeking a pivot.
The Browns gave Faine (6-3, 291) permission to seek a trade after signing Bentley, who was coveted by the Eagles, among other teams, and veteran utility man Bob Hallen, who plays center and guard. The Eagles wanted to shore up the interior of the line exposed by the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XXXIX and exploited by several teams thereafter.
Faine is scheduled to earn $550,000 this season and his contract runs through 2009. The 21st overall pick in the 2003 draft turns just 25 this month, but has an injury history. He missed the last two games in 2005 with an injured right biceps and has been on injured reserve in each of his three NFL campaigns.
Browns head coach Romeo Crennel, however, said Faine answered questions about his size and toughness last year. Faine has started 36 games with the Browns.
The Eagles quietly have opened up the starting center job manned by Hank Fraley to competition with Jamaal Jackson.
Fraley (6-2, 300) finished the 2005 season on injured reserve with a torn rotator cuff suffered in the eighth game. He turns 29 in September and has just one year left on his contract.
Jackson (6-4, 300) started the last eight games in 2005 and turns 26 next season.
The Browns almost certainly would be seeking a first-day draft pick for Faine. The Eagles have three fourth-round picks in the upcoming draft having acquired choices from both the Dallas Cowboys and the Indianapolis Colts in the previous lottery.
The Eagles have 10 total draft picks although the fifth and sixth-rounders they received Monday as compensatory picks for free agency losses aren't tradable.
Faine sucks. I do not want him. If you think Fraley is small and gets bullied by big DTs wait until you see Faine. Leave that big headed sumbitch in the Mistake by the Lake.
Faine interested in the Eagles? Naturally.
Eagles interested in Faine? I farging hope not.
Holy crap! Again?!?!?!?
go ahead pg
It's one thing when it's on another thread or many pages back.
Completely different when it's about 10 posts earlier on the exact same thread. That's just lazy.
maybe...but unless its a brand new thread i dont go back any further than the newest page
either way repeat info occurs so often on message boards its really not worthy of commentary
my lesson for the day.....youre welcome
Wow, I feel as if I've learned so much.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 28, 2006, 04:30:40 PM
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The Eagles are downplaying their interest in Eric Moulds.
Eric Moulds' representatives initiated contact between the two sides, not the other way around. Philadelphia doesn't appear willing to meet his salary demands, much less send a draft pick. Mar. 29 - 12:16 am et
Rotowire.com--Source: San Jose Mercury News
Ummmm....lets try Walker now.....yeah ok.
Is the San Jose Mercury-News really the best source for Eagles news?
Quote from: reese125 on March 29, 2006, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 28, 2006, 04:30:40 PM
Unrelated pictures.
The Eagles are downplaying their interest in Eric Moulds.
Eric Moulds' representatives initiated contact between the two sides, not the other way around. Philadelphia doesn't appear willing to meet his salary demands, much less send a draft pick. Mar. 29 - 12:16 am et
Source: San Jose Mercury News
Ummmm....lets try Walker now.....yeah ok.
What an excellent post. You should have been swallowed.
No, but Rotowire usually is.....you mean this post doesnt merit a new thread?
The Eagles always downplay everything.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 28, 2006, 04:07:51 PM
QuotePackers | Team will not trade J. Walker
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:11:26 -0800
ESPNews reports the Green Bay Packers will not trade WR Javon Walker.
QuoteTUESDAY, March 28, 2006, 12:20 p.m.
By Bob McGinn
Walker 'not coming back' to Packers
Green Bay - What part of no don't the Green Bay Packers understand?
That's what Charles Goldsmith, Javon Walker's stepfather, wanted to know when he emphatically stated in a telephone interview this morning with the Journal Sentinel that the wide receiver will not ever play for the team again.
No amount of money, the passage of time or the possible retirement of quarterback Brett Favre, his adversary, will change Walker's mind, according to Goldsmith. He told general manager Ted Thompson in a 30-minute conversation Jan. 20 that his stepson was through with the Packers, but based on recent published comments from Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy, Goldsmith detected hope within the organization that the situation could be rectified.
"I wish this could have worked out better but he's not coming back," Goldsmith said. "He has so much animosity regarding Green Bay, it's ridiculous."
Goldsmith and his wife, Bernita, were in Green Bay this morning working with a real-estate agent. He said Walker's home in Green Bay, which he purchased from former Packers defensive end Jamal Reynolds about two years ago, will be on the market by Wednesday.
Walker has one year remaining on his original five-year contract with the Packers at a base salary of $1.15 million. He underwent reconstructive knee surgery Oct. 7.
According to Goldsmith, Walker has spent the off-season back and forth between Houston and Tallahassee, Fla., where he was back attending classes at Florida State. Goldsmith said his stepson is ahead of schedule in his rehabilitation.
Thompson has denied a request by Walker's agent, Kennard McGuire, seeking permission to shop his client.
what are people's predicitons here?
it's going to be one of 3 options:
1. he goes back to GB with his tail between his legs
2. he actually stays true to his word and retires
3. he is released/traded
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 29, 2006, 09:09:43 AM
what are people's predicitons here?
it's going to be one of 3 options:
1. he goes back to GB with his tail between his legs
2. he actually stays true to his word and retires
3. he is released/traded
Walker can hold out until the final six games of the season to gain an accrued season if he wants, and be eligible for unrestricted free agency in 2007. He will lose cash, but will eventually recoup his lost earnings while Green Bay gets screwed without any compensation at all. Also, under the new CBA, a player can quit or retire, and the team cant take away his bonus.....they have to release him and provide an opportunity to find another club. Then they can attempt to recoup a portion of the bonus.
He's not going to retire. That's idiotic.
I think he forces the Packers to trade him. After the comments he's made, there's no way he'd be welcomed back into that organization.
That said, the Packers reportedly looking for a #1 for a guy with a blown-out knee is absurd.
They should take what they can get for him and move on.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 29, 2006, 08:46:37 AM
Is the San Jose Mercury-News really the best source for Eagles news?
They use the same network as Philly.com. It's Brookover's article today where he declares that the Eagles will not get Moulds or Walker.....not that anyone should listen to him or anything....
Option #1 wins. Walker has zero leverage. If he sits out this season, his deal just jumps a year. And his salary isn't high enough to make the Pack think twice. He should keep his mouth shut, try to have a monster year, and move on in 07.
How is he supposed to have a monster year on a re-constructed knee?
I'm going to keep the odds of the Eagles getting Moulds at around 5 to 1 and the odds of the Eagles getting Walker at around 8 to 1. I should be in the sportsbook business.
He's not, the same reason why no one should be bending over backwards to pay him. Let him show he's got some savvy on a bum wheel, he'll get paid. If he keeps up the whine fest, he might just talk himself out of a payday.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 29, 2006, 10:43:42 AM
He's not, the same reason why no one should be bending over backwards to pay him. Let him show he's got some savvy on a bum wheel, he'll get paid. If he keeps up the whine fest, he might just talk himself out of a payday.
just like TO?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 29, 2006, 10:30:44 AM
Option #1 wins. Walker has zero leverage. If he sits out this season, his deal just jumps a year. And his salary isn't high enough to make the Pack think twice. He should keep his mouth shut, try to have a monster year, and move on in 07.
The guy just blasted the Packers and said he doesnt want to play there and would rather retire. Yeah, that should merit a big ol' bear hug from the FO and Favre. He's done
hes done in gb or him and his family are the biggest frauds of all-time
whats the reason walker doesnt want to play in GB? did he mention why?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 29, 2006, 01:23:50 PM
whats the reason walker doesnt want to play in GB? did he mention why?
He hated Favre, hated the coaches, played for peanuts and the front office refused to take care of his contract situation after he got hurt.
Favre told him to shut up and stop whining about his contract last year. wah.
And how much was Favre making stealing last year?
Personally, I would have told him to cram his opinions up his redneck ass if he involved himself in my business.
Ignorant shtein-kicking hick.
did anybody else ever notice that sometimes the national announcers are a little over zealous in their praise for Farve? it's subtle, but if you listen for it, it's there.
Favre told him to shut up and stop whining about his contract last year. wah.
farve was wrong on every single possible level
Howard just said the Moulds is a long shot, but he needs to come off his number of 5 million per year
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 29, 2006, 03:08:02 PM
Howard just said the Moulds is a long shot, but he needs to come off his number of 5 million per year
That's slightly more than twice what I make!
If you went to BYU I'd suggest giving Andy a call.
Paul Domowitch on DNL:
Andy Reid spoke to the media today. Domo said that he was told that they are interested in Moulds but they are in a waiting game to see if his $5M asking price come down and when the Bills cut him. Domo said the only team that seems to be willing to overpay for Moulds is Houston.
Then he might as well already be a Texan.
Supposedly WIP reported that he was traded to Houston? I'm at the office, so I don't know...
I don't have the radio on...nothing on CSN. I'm watching SportsNite now. But I see the threads on the EMB saying Eskin reported it.
Good grief. Not good if true. :-\
He wanted the money. Amazing.
The report is wrong.
A trade isn't done, Moulds just agreed to a contract with the Texans, but they need to work out a trade still.
Gargano reported it, not Eskin.
either way hes going to the texans and not coming here. sonofabitch.
Then we'll get Walker.
We aren't going in with just Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney as the top 3 guys. That I will promise you.
Interesting that no Houston Texans board, and no other site anywhere has this news? And if Gargano reported it, it was a WHILE ago (hours)....so SOMEONE would have heard something in Houston, don't you think?
I just don't get why the Eagles won't overpay for anybody, with all the cap room they have they certainly can afford it. There is an opportunity to get a player that would be a definate upgrade and so far it seems that it is not going to happen.
I believe Gargano called in to Eskin to report it. Who his source is? I don't know.
Good God. The Eagles get Gaffney and Houston gets Moulds.
Christ...
goodness. i'm surprised.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 29, 2006, 06:53:08 PM
I believe Gargano called in to Eskin to report it. Who his source is? I don't know.
Funny, no one else has anything about it. Still. ::)
Gargano is cool with Heckert. Maybe Heckert told him they are out of the running.
I haven't seen nor heard anything, but lets not kid ourselves, he's not going to be an Eagle, he'll go where the money is which is probably Houston. I can already hear him at his PC, "I really wanted the oppurtunity to play with a young QB like Carr" blah blah blah.
I think we will get one of Walker or Moulds. I think it's more likely than not we get one of the two.
I think Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney are our starting trio to open up the season.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 29, 2006, 08:42:48 PM
I think Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney are our starting trio to open up the season.
**DING!**
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 29, 2006, 08:42:48 PM
I think Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney are our starting trio to open up the season.
Absolutely no chance in that.
You're right. A 3rd round pick might beat out Pinkston. Good point.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 29, 2006, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 29, 2006, 08:42:48 PM
I think Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney are our starting trio to open up the season.
Absolutely no chance in that.
Guess you'll just have to wait till when Moulds is a Texan and Walker is a training camp holdout to believe me.
The Eagles may be cheap, but they aren't stupid. They know going into the season with the WRs we have gives us no chance to make it to the Superbowl. It will be addressed with a proven guy.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 29, 2006, 08:50:26 PM
They know going into the season with the WRs we have gives us no chance to make it to the Superbowl.
Exhibit A: 1998-2003
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 29, 2006, 08:42:48 PM
I think Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney are our starting trio to open up the season.
Agreed.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 29, 2006, 08:50:26 PM
The Eagles may be cheap, but they aren't stupid. They know going into the season with the WRs we have gives us no chance to make it to the Superbowl. It will be addressed with a proven guy.
Did you forget that we went into 3 seasons with Thrash/Pinkston/Mitchell as our starting trio?
We didn't make it to the Superbowl with them, and also the NFC is a lot better now than it was.
We made it with Greg Lewis not Thrash.
Just realize that your hopes and dreams are different from the reality of the Eagles front office.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 29, 2006, 08:52:28 PM
We didn't make it to the Superbowl with them, and also the NFC is a lot better now than it was.
We did it with Pinkston, Mitchell and Glew. Would you say Glew is a hole lot better then Thrash? Hes better, but not by much.
Unless this report about Moulds is true and the Packers won't trade Walker for anything, tell me why they can't be Eagles?
OK, then I'll ask you.
If the Eagles go into the season with the receivers the way they are, do you honestly think they'll make it to the Superbowl?
I don't even think winning the division is a given either.
If Westbrook is shut down then you can kiss the offense goodbye. It will be one-dimensional and our best WR will be a 2nd year guy who still has a lot to learn. I love Reggie, don't get me wrong, but is he ready to carry an offense when the running game is shut down?
the Texans?!?
Yeah well.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 29, 2006, 08:58:27 PM
OK, then I'll ask you.
If the Eagles go into the season with the receivers the way they are, do you honestly think they'll make it to the Superbowl?
I don't even think winning the division is a given either.
If Westbrook is shut down then you can kiss the offense goodbye. It will be one-dimensional and our best WR will be a 2nd year guy who still has a lot to learn. I love Reggie, don't get me wrong, but is he ready to carry an offense when the running game is shut down?
No, I don't think this team is good enough to win a SuperBowl. They're obviously going back towards a 'spread the wealth' offense and don't think a true #1 is essential. Only way Moulds is coming here is if he substantially drops his asking price (probably by half). Walker doesn't look like an option either, if the Eagles thought WR was that big a necessity don't you think they would have addressed it beyond signing Gaffney to a 1 year deal?
A team's season isn't won or lost on WR's alone. Our offense now compared to 2000-2003 is IMPROVED. The WR's are BETTER (Reggie+Gaffney+Pinkston > Thrash+Pinkston+Freddie), the TE is a better pass catcher, the RB is more versitile (With a good back up just like him, and the hopeful return of C-Buck or an addition in the draft/FA), and a McNabb with more years of expierence under his belt.
I'm telling you yes we can make the playoffs. Can we make to the Super Bowl? sure.
The key is NOT the WR's on this team. It is the DEFENSE. the DEFENSE needs to play at a high level for this team to succeed, not the WR's. (See 2000-2003). The offense can hold its own with what its got.
If they add Moulds, sure I'lll be happy with it. I kind of want them too, even though it means Gaffney will basically be signed here for no reason, but I'll take Moulds over Gaffney in the short run. Moulds/Brown/Gaffney/Pinkston/Greg Lewis is a great WR core.
Brown/Gaffney/Pinkston/G. Lew/McMullen or whoever the #5 will be is an average WR core. and with a TE like Smith, who was on pace for a GREAT year until McNabb got hurt, and RB's like Westbrook and Moats, I'm confident that this offense will do what it needs to do to win.
The defense has to hold up its end now.
Eagles | Reid discusses Moulds
Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:51:37 -0800
Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid said the team has looked at Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds. He said the team is going through an evaluation process right now.
Quoteif the Eagles thought WR was that big a necessity don't you think they would have addressed it beyond signing Gaffney to a 1 year deal?
SD, I don't think this is necessarily true, especially this offseason. With the nature of the market due to the new CBA I think most FA (particularly WR's) got way overpaid. Knowing the Eagles history, they will not overpay for a player, which this offseason would have forced them to do.
Sigh... good ol' WIP.
Whenever someone on ESPN or the Inquirer releases a story, WIP is skeptical, but when another host on there breaks a rumor, they are all over it's like it's gospel.
Glen Macnow is on right now basically acting like Moulds to Houston is a done deal because Gargano reported it.
and Gargano may be right, but I don't see it anywhere else yet.
Fellas, with Andy Reid announcing today that Gaffney will line up as the slot receiver and Reggie Brown "did a nice job last season, and he needs to continue to watch McNabb throw this offseason and develop with Donovan McNabb", does it really sound like a #1 receiver is set? Absolutely not. This to me tells it all that we will get a #1.
The Moulds rumor is false....so far
The only mention Texans fans have heard of it?
From WIP.
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 29, 2006, 10:40:20 PM
The only mention Texans fans have heard of it?
From WIP.
::) ::) ::)
Im just shocked that Moulds would want to go there and be #2 receiver behind Johson...come here and be a #1. I know these players are greedy but sometimes pride takes over......I stress sometimes
Pride is measured in dollars and cents with most athletes.
Quote from: NGM on March 29, 2006, 10:26:20 PM
Quoteif the Eagles thought WR was that big a necessity don't you think they would have addressed it beyond signing Gaffney to a 1 year deal?
SD, I don't think this is necessarily true, especially this offseason. With the nature of the market due to the new CBA I think most FA (particularly WR's) got way overpaid. Knowing the Eagles history, they will not overpay for a player, which this offseason would have forced them to do.
That's fine, the initial question posed was whether or not the Eagles were stupid enough to go into the season with the WR position as it stands. I say yes, because they don't see it as a big a defecit as the fans do.
:-D
Glen just talked to a guy from Houston and said something along the lines of "enjoy Moulds there, you'll like him paired with Bush."
If Gargano turns out to be wrong, it's going to make WIP look foolish for talking like it's basically a done deal. Then they'll cover it up like they do with all their embarassments.
I hate the radio station, the only reason it's on right now is I'm too lazy to get up and turn it off.
Quote from: Munson on March 29, 2006, 09:10:27 PM
A team's season isn't won or lost on WR's alone. Our offense now compared to 2000-2003 is IMPROVED. The WR's are BETTER (Reggie+Gaffney+Pinkston > Thrash+Pinkston+Freddie), the TE is a better pass catcher, the RB is more versitile (With a good back up just like him, and the hopeful return of C-Buck or an addition in the draft/FA), and a McNabb with more years of expierence under his belt.
I'm telling you yes we can make the playoffs. Can we make to the Super Bowl? sure.
The key is NOT the WR's on this team. It is the DEFENSE. the DEFENSE needs to play at a high level for this team to succeed, not the WR's. (See 2000-2003). The offense can hold its own with what its got.
If they add Moulds, sure I'lll be happy with it. I kind of want them too, even though it means Gaffney will basically be signed here for no reason, but I'll take Moulds over Gaffney in the short run. Moulds/Brown/Gaffney/Pinkston/Greg Lewis is a great WR core.
Brown/Gaffney/Pinkston/G. Lew/McMullen or whoever the #5 will be is an average WR core. and with a TE like Smith, who was on pace for a GREAT year until McNabb got hurt, and RB's like Westbrook and Moats, I'm confident that this offense will do what it needs to do to win.
The defense has to hold up its end now.
QFT.
Have I mentioned that the approximate probability of them getting Moulds OR Walker is about 32%?
You're WAAAY low. I was thinking more like roughly 37.83926423812223441123374524832695110541085.
I'm using the assumption that there is a 20% shot of getting Moulds and a 15% shot of getting Walker.
Then again, since the chances of getting both of them are 0, the odds of getting one are actually 29%, not 32%.
wip is still reporting that hes comes to terms on a contract with the texans....gargano is obviously 100% sure of it...just a matter of time before the trade is worked out
Yet this is all still news to EVERYONE in Houston....the only source they have for even talking about it is from someone listening online to WIP.
they're probably too busy covering a rodeo or some shtein down there
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 30, 2006, 08:17:53 AM
they're probably too busy covering a rodeo or some shtein down there
But Gargano has scooped EVERYONE in the NFL world...including Texans beat writers. Ok.
Yet this is all still news to EVERYONE in Houston....the only source they have for even talking about it is from someone listening online to WIP.
how do you think inside info gets disseminated...one source breaks it and people report off that source...that source being gargano in this case...i guess its possible it could still be untrue...after all we just went thru the bently fiasco...but i have a hard time believing wip would still be carrying it on its ticker if it wasnt true...
is it really that unbelievable that moulds and houston could have a verbal deal on a contract right now?...theyve been the clear cut leader for him for a while now
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 29, 2006, 06:47:13 PM
Then we'll get Walker.
We aren't going in with just Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney as the top 3 guys. That I will promise you.
This is the biggest pile of cross-your-fingers-knock-on-wood wishful thinking I've read in a while. What in the bloody hell would ever convince anyone that this team is definitely going to grab another receiver? Jesus.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 08:20:06 AM
What in the bloody hell would ever convince anyone that this team is definitely going to grab another receiver? Jesus.
drugs and repressed memories of child abuse?
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 08:20:06 AM
What in the bloody hell would ever convince anyone that this team is definitely going to grab another receiver? Jesus.
Did you just answer your own question?
No, I never said its unbelievable that Moulds has agreed to terms.
I do, however, find it unrealistic that Gargano has been reporting this for about 20 hours yet not ONE source down in Houston has broken it or investigated it, etc. Nor has anyone on ESPN or anywhere else even mentioned it.
While I agree that the likelihood of Moulds coming here is slim. You'd think that some other source other than the mid-day guy on WIP radio would have caught wind of this.
Especially the way Moulds' advisor has been talking lately. He's given interviews to everyone. But yet there is nothing to support the Cuz's report.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 29, 2006, 08:50:26 PM
The Eagles may be cheap, but they aren't stupid. They know going into the season with the WRs we have gives us no chance to make it to the Superbowl. It will be addressed with a proven guy.
Are you serious? That's crazy talk.
it would be one thing to have him say it on his show....but i cant believe gargano would let the report still be played on the tickers if it wasnt true...hes not that kind of person...like say an eskin who just lets shtein fly and doesnt care what happens after that
the WIP "tickers" also reported Bentley was at the NC and signed. ::)
the WIP "tickers" also reported Bentley was at the NC and signed
but those werent reported exclusively by one of their hosts...if gargano didnt believe his info to be true hed go right to managment and say you better pull that off
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 09:02:22 AM
the WIP "tickers" also reported Bentley was at the NC and signed
but those werent reported exclusively by one of their hosts...if gargano didnt believe his info to be true hed go right to managment and say you better pull that off
Maybe Gargano really does believe it, but that still doesn't make it true. For example, Philly Forever believes the Eagles are going to get either Moulds or Walker which is obviously not true.
you dont put opinions on a ticker....he has a five hour show to do that
i think you all are in denial
gargano on now
---he got info last night at 6:30 saying moulds spurned the birds
---eagles were close to thinking they had him but the money ended up being to much
IGY,
It is very possible Moulds is going to Houston.
But answer this.
Why, here we are 14 hours later, has not any other news service or radio station picked this up?
It's a moot point whether or not the deal has actually been worked out already. As I've said all along, if Houston offers more money (which they did or will), he's going to farging Houston. It's that simple.
:-D :-D :-D
Why, here we are 14 hours later, has not any other news service or radio station picked this up?
because gargano has sources inside the birds organization and espn doesnt?...you think the houston chronicle can just call up novacare and get 411...i dont think so
Follow the logic here, IGY.
1. If HOUSTON agreed to a contract with Moulds do you think that there are no leaks within the Texans organization?
2. Is Eric Moulds' agent and advisor leak free too? Because you know, agents never brag about the deal they just got for their client. And Greg Johnson has been talking to the media for days now. Yet he just shuts up as soon as a deal is done?
3. I am not doubting that Gargano was told there was something done. But you would think that the direct line of info is GREATER in Houston (you know, the town of the team where he will now play) than in Philadelphia.
Anyone ever think that someone within the Eagles organization might have told this to Gargano so that WIP listeners would calm down about the whole Moulds thing and assume it's NOT going to happen... but in truth it has just about as much a chance of happening as it did all along, which is smallish anyway?
Conspiracy!
Maybe Rita still has the media all snarled up down there......
no, just get used to Todd Pinkston getting major playing time the year after rupturing his achillies
yeah bottom line is moulds is gone and the eagles cheaped out again...does the gargano report even matter
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 30, 2006, 09:27:23 AM
no, just get used to Todd Pinkston getting major playing time the year after rupturing his achillies
No need. Reno can line up at WR!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 09:28:16 AM
yeah bottom line is moulds is gone and the eagles cheaped out again...does the gargano report even matter
i was just going to post something similar.
cap room is obviously more important than improving the wr corps.
ahhhh, i like where your head's at.
Quote from: hunt on March 30, 2006, 09:29:24 AM
i was just going to post something similar.
cap room is obviously more important than improving the wr corps.
I like the bouncing boobs avatar, but you should go back to the bag of money with the "cap room is way kewel" tagline.
Is Levon Kirkland going to be an Eagle? I say yes. Thoughts?
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 09:32:10 AM
Is Levon Kirkland going to be an Eagle?
You'll find out...at 11.
What I want to know is whether or not Levon Kirkland and Blaine Bishop will be able to cover Joe Jurevicius. I don't know of any solid reason that they couldn't. After all, he's a white guy. Right?
i would say that if they would ever score first against Tampa, it wouldn't really matter, smooth sailing!1!!1
They'll sub Barry Gardner in the game whenever Jurevicius is on the field. It'll be fine.
Get Gardner?
so other than some rumors, is the Moulds situation any different than yesterday?
apparantly...awww farg it.
MURP, can't you see that we're desperately trying to ruin this thread. Please, let the professionals do their job.
but wait, it's my thread...
does not compute
We play the Texans this year. Do we need to sign Urlackkre to cover Mounds?
who's we? queer.
I probably shouldn't reveal my real identity, but I'm Jabar Gaffney.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 09:39:37 AM
MURP, can't you see that we're desperately trying to ruin this thread.
well thats a given.. Im just trying to find if anything has actually changed in reality over the past 3 pages of posts. ???
other than rumors that Moulds might be on his way to Houston, no changes.
There are no actual changes to the Moulds situation. No.
There are, however, Gargano-based rumors that the Texans and Moulds have agreed to terms of a new deal. The rumors also state that the Eagles wouldn't come close Moulds' asking price. However, he is still property of the Bills, and no trade has been worked out.
If you believe Gargano, the Eagles are almost definitely out of it.
If you don't believe Gargano, the Eagles probably were never seriously into it anyway.
Yet, if you believe Eddie George, the Eagles will use cash over cap to sign Mounds.
Quote from: MURP on March 30, 2006, 09:54:39 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 09:39:37 AM
MURP, can't you see that we're desperately trying to ruin this thread.
well thats a given.. Im just trying to find if anything has actually changed in reality over the past 3 pages of posts. ???
kffl doesnt even have a sniff of it. and they will report anything. maybe 610 is beyond their limits of an acceptable source? hard to beleive since kffl will use me as a source.
KFFL usually only uses print sources or ESPNEWS.
they've used Howard a few times.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 30, 2006, 09:58:08 AM
Yet, if you believe Eddie George, the Eagles will use cash over cap to sign Mounds.
Post of the year.
angelo just said "GREAT job on the moulds story Cuz...we are all proud of you"...how funny would it be if it werent actually true
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 10:07:42 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 30, 2006, 09:58:08 AM
Yet, if you believe Eddie George, the Eagles will use cash over cap to sign Mounds.
Post of the year.
so, you're saying it's the Golden Goose of all posts?
No, I'm saying that I haven't heard anything about Darwin Walker's thigh injury. Have you?
he died.
So, if Gargano's story was actually preposterous all along, and...
1. Moulds ends up signing with the Texans, either via trade or after being released, Cuz will be able to claim his story was right all along. Keep in mind that Moulds to the Texans had already certainly surfaced as a likelihood.
2. Moulds does actually end up in Philly one way or another... Cuz can just say that the Eagles had a change of heart, and the fans won't care, because they'll be so happy the Eagles further addressed the WR position.
He's dealing with a complete win-win situation here, so why not fabricate the story?
no hes telling the truth but the truth is that moulds has agreed in principle to the terms of a deal...hes never actually said that moulds is 100% going to be a texan....he definitely left himself an out
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 10:17:40 AM
no hes telling the truth
I think that at some point, you will have to admit that you have no proof of the correctness of that statement.
gargano is now saying that the eagles are 100% for sure targeting a wr and a rb...he doesnt know for sure who but they will get one of each...
get jonathan wells
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 10:20:23 AM
gargano is now saying that the eagles are 100% for sure targeting a wr and a rb...he doesnt know for sure who but they will get one of each...
Verbatim copied from Eskin.
king said the RB was T.J. Duckett.
duckett would be nice...but id rather have jonathen wells as he can catch the ball very well for a big back and is a special teams monster
Getting Duckett would cause me to ejaculate. A lot.
Duckett would be sweet.
Wonder who the WR is? Moulds!
the RB is Brian Urlacher. He sure can run.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 30, 2006, 10:24:13 AM
Duckett would be sweet.
Wonder who the WR is? Moulds!
Haven't you heard? Moulds is a Texan.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 30, 2006, 10:24:13 AM
Wonder who the WR is? Moulds!
It can't be. Gargano also reported that Moulds has agreed to terms with the Texans, and the Eagles won't come anywhere near matching his price! COME ON, MAN. TRY TO KEEP UP!!!!!!111111111
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 10:17:40 AM
no hes telling the truth but the truth is that moulds has agreed in principle to the terms of a deal...hes never actually said that moulds is 100% going to be a texan....he definitely left himself an out
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 08:04:10 AM
wip is still reporting that hes comes to terms on a contract with the texans....gargano is obviously 100% sure of it...just a matter of time before the trade is worked out
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 10:20:23 AM
get jonathan wells
whats the obsession with Wells? You must have mentioned him about 10 times now.
agreed in principle to a contract come to terms...not been traded to or signed with the texans
is the board that infatuated with proving me wrong that you will absolutely ignore what i say
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 10:47:24 AM
agreed in principle to a contract come to terms...not been traded to or signed with the texans
is the board that infatuated with proving me wrong that you will absolutely ignore what i say
Not obsessed with proving you wrong at all. You do that by yourself often enough. ;)
Just looking for clarification.
Not obsessed with proving you wrong at all
maybe not obsessed but you know it would be kinda sweet to be the first...and i dont blame you...that would carry some weight
I actually look forward to the time you actually prove yourself to be right. It's kinda like how you want your boy get his first piece of ass. A proud moment to be had by all.
Rich Hoffman states:
The Eagles let you know nothing - and, as a result, the fan base is beyond skeptical. The all-timer came early in Reid's tenure, when he told everyone that Charles Johnson and Torrance Small were just fine at wideout, thanks - until the minute the door hit them in the backside. You get used to it - anyone's eyes will adjust to the darkness after a while - but it is maddening."
"Go to weakside linebacker. A few years back, they had Shawn Barber here on a 1-year deal, and he played really well for that 1 year, and then Kansas City made him a free-agent offer that the Eagles told people under their breath was preposterously high. They had the money to keep him - they just thought it was too much. So Barber left and the Eagles brought in Nate Wayne and said they were better off; they weren't. Then they replaced Wayne with special-teamer Keith Adams and said they were better off; they weren't. Now they're bringing Barber back, after a significant injury, on another no-strings/1-year deal, and saying they're better off. You think?"
These paragraph statements make all the sense in the world. The FO has made so many player mistakes in the past (very costly) that they are blinded themselves because of their obsession with bargain players and being the "financially superior team" of the NFL. They need to realize their mistakes and REALLY look at the players talent level and evaluation process before they choose and start their downward spiral in this league... because you dont stay at the top for long (and last year might be the first indication ). We as fans cant keep always saying, "we'll be ok, I trust the FO based on their history" anymore....and neither can they. Offseason grade so far: C-
Quote from: reese125 on March 30, 2006, 11:49:31 AM
Offseason grade so far: C-
There's a thread for that.
Is anyone else sick and tired of the "Eagles are cheap" argument?
It holds absolutely no water whatsoever, yet it's regurgitated over and over here, there and everywhere.
It reminds me of when neocons use the word "liberal" as an invective. If you say it enough, people will begin to believe it.
They're not cheap. Correct. They prefer to offer contracts that actually demonstrate the real worth of the player and give the player an actual chance to play out said contract without numerous restructures or getting the cutski.
when they don't want to pay market value, because they feel it's too high, yes, that's being cheap.
if i go to the store to buy a jacket and it's $100, but I only want to pay $50, that's me being cheap.
taterskins salary cap philosophy = voodoo economics. Their player-personnel department is so pathetic that they require other teams to do their scouting for them. The Eagles, on the other hand, prefer to get players on their own, develop them and then sign them to long-term extensions.
To me, that's the way to go even with this year's unexpected windfall.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 30, 2006, 11:59:21 AM
when they don't want to pay market value, because they feel it's too high, yes, that's being cheap.
if i go to the store to buy a jacket and it's $100, but I only want to pay $50, that's me being cheap.
No it's not. It's called you being a smart shopper, Mo.
Sheep pay retail. taterskins and those like them = sheep.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 30, 2006, 11:55:05 AM
Is anyone else sick and tired of the "Eagles are cheap" argument?
It holds absolutely no water whatsoever, yet it's regurgitated over and over here, there and everywhere.
It reminds me of when neocons use the word "liberal" as an invective. If you say it enough, people will begin to believe it.
Hey, Im not saying their cheap, but the way they choose players are based on dollars and the contract they sign right? There is a reason behind their madness. What is it...I have no idea, because where has it got them. I dont see a trophy, and us as fans sure as hell want one. They way they approach free agency is very different than others that is truly baffling based on the talent they have...thats all. Maybe re-look things?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 30, 2006, 11:59:21 AM
when they don't want to pay market value, because they feel it's too high, yes, that's being cheap.
if i go to the store to buy a jacket and it's $100, but I only want to pay $50, that's me being cheap.
That couldn't be more wrong, actually.
No it's not. It's called you being a smart shopper, Mo.
its smart if youd rather rock members only (jabar gaffney) vs a butta soft leather johnson (eric moulds)
they're thrifty.
was this espn story posted? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2390132
if not, nothing really new. just says the texans and eagles are in the running and a deal is expected soon.
if so, then whatever i dont really care.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 12:04:20 PM
No it's not. It's called you being a smart shopper, Mo.
its smart if youd rather rock members only (jabar gaffney) vs a butta soft leather johnson (eric moulds)
exactly.
why is it being a smart shopper? you don't get the product if you don't pay the market price. you can't drive a BMW for the cost of a Toyota.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 30, 2006, 11:57:19 AM
They're not cheap. Correct. They prefer to offer contracts that actually demonstrate the real worth of the player and give the player an actual chance to play out said contract without numerous restructures or getting the cutski.
exactly my point Patt......thats what the problem has been. Their evaluation of a player is baffling.
Quote from: hunt on March 30, 2006, 12:04:37 PM
they're thrifty.
That is correct, sir. And while Joe average Dumbass can't tell the difference, there is a big difference.
I'm thrifty. I love to spend money, but I look for some kind of return on investment. I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather spend $60 on a nice Eagles polo shirt than $60 on a jersey that I look like a douche in and will probably become obsolete sooner than I'd like.
call it what you want id rather have moulds for 5 mil than gaffney for 750k
All of this Moulds talk will be a memory when we get Walker and TJ Duckett....at a bargain price Im sure... ;)
There's being a smart shopper and then there's being a dumbass sheep. The Eagles are the former and not the latter, yet some of you prefer them to be stupid and overpay for other people's castoffs.
For those of you who do, try here. (http://www.extremeskins.com)
id love to have the eagles player evaulation team and the skins pocket book
that would = superbowl
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 12:43:45 PM
id love to have the eagles player evaulation team and the skins pocket book
that would = superbowl
Sadly, its hard to argue with that...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 12:43:45 PM
id love to have the eagles player evaulation team and the skins pocket book
that would = superbowl
Agreed.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 30, 2006, 12:39:02 PM
There's being a smart shopper and then there's being a dumbass sheep. The Eagles are the former and not the latter, yet some of you prefer them to be stupid and overpay for other people's castoffs.
For those of you who do, try here. (http://www.extremeskins.com)
is replacing TO with jabar gaffney considered smart shopping?
Talentwise? No.
I've said all along that Moulds should be brought in. I further said that Givens would have been a better solution.
The receivers other than Brown pretty much blow, hunt. I'm not disputing that. I'm also not saying that someone else won't be brought in before the start of the season.
members only jackets with the banded collars are the shtein right now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 12:04:20 PM
No it's not. It's called you being a smart shopper, Mo.
its smart if youd rather rock members only (jabar gaffney) vs a butta soft leather johnson (eric moulds)
Word.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 12:09:20 PM
call it what you want id rather have moulds for 5 mil than gaffney for 750k
Word again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 12:43:45 PM
id love to have the eagles player evaulation team and the skins pocket book
that would = superbowl
Word one mo' time.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 30, 2006, 12:55:54 PM
Talentwise? No.
I've said all along that Moulds should be brought in. I further said that Givens would have been a better solution.
The receivers other than Brown pretty much blow, hunt. I'm not disputing that. I'm also not saying that someone else won't be brought in before the start of the season.
But over time... that's what the Eagles "smart shopping" has gotten them.
Sure not all these guys are FA's... but there have been definite instances over the years where FA WR upgrades were available and instead the Eagles tried to sell us on the upside of guys like Greg Lewis.
i'm a sheep. baaaaaaaa.
it can't be that the true sheep are the ones spouting the company line on cue.
QuoteEagles | Gaining more interest in Moulds?
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:03:01 -0800
ESPNews reports the Philadelphia Eagles are turning up their interest in Buffalo Bills WR Eric Moulds, who remains on the trading block.
QuoteEagles | One of two teams favored to land Moulds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:35:15 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Moulds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. The Philadelphia Eagles are considered one of two teams favored to land Moulds. Moulds will have to restructure his contract for the Eagles and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
QuoteTexans | One of two teams favored to land Moulds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:37:42 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Moulds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. The Houston Texans are considered one of two teams favored to land Moulds. Moulds will have to restructure his contract for the Texans and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
Quotetaterskins| One of two teams favored to land Moulds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:41:15 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Moulds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. The Washington taterskins are considered one of two teams favored to land Moulds. Moulds will have to restructure his contract for the taterskins and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
QuoteJets| One of two teams favored to land Moulds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:47:51 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Moulds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. The New York Jets are considered one of two teams favored to land Moulds. Moulds will have to restructure his contract for the Jets and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
Come again? How many WRs do the taterskins need? I thought Randle El and Lloyd were such major upgrades.
lolol
dont listen to that fool
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 30, 2006, 03:30:18 PM
Come again? How many WRs do the taterskins need? I thought Randle El and Lloyd were such major upgrades.
that isnt actually posted on KFFL.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 03:31:01 PM
lolol
dont listen to that fool
Just listen to Mel Kiper and Howard Eskin.....they speak the truth...bwaaaaah
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QuoteNutsacks| One of two teams favored to land Moulds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:57:09 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Moulds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. The Nashville Nutsacks are considered one of two teams favored to land Moulds. Moulds will have to restructure his contract for the Nutsacks and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 30, 2006, 03:32:55 PM
QuoteNutsacks| One of two teams favored to land Moulds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:57:09 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Moulds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. The Nashville Nutsacks are considered one of two teams favored to land Moulds. Moulds will have to restructure his contract for the Nutsacks and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
That really should go in The Rest of the NFL. Nashville is not Philly, dude.
Just listen to Mel Kiper and Howard Eskin.....they speak the truth...bwaaaaah
1. reese
1a. jerome mcdougle
the Nutsacks? is that an expansion team?
QuoteYour Mom| One of two teams favored to land Moulds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:41:15 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Moulds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. Your mom is considered one of two teams favored to land Moulds. Moulds will have to restructure his contract for the your mom and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
I guess I win retard of the week award.
Texans acquire Moulds (http://www.790kbme.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=121311&article=395219)
QuoteTexans Acquire Moulds from Bills
The Houston Texans and Buffalo Bills have agreed on a trade that brings veteran wide receiver Eric Moulds to Houston.
Thursday, March 30, 2006
Moulds has agreed to a multi-year contract with the Texans, but the deal won't become official until he signs his new pact.
The 32-year-old Moulds caught 81 passes for 816 yards and four touchdowns for the 5-11 Bills last season
QuoteDarwin Walkers Thigh| One of two thighs favored to land Mounds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:41:15 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Mounds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. Darwin Walker's Thigh is considered one of two thighs favored to land Mounds, but unfortunately KFFL has been unable to acquire any detailed information about the nature of his thigh. Mounds will have to restructure his contract for Darwin and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 30, 2006, 03:43:56 PM
Texans acquire Moulds (http://www.790kbme.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=121311&article=395219)
What?! But that's crazy! Why would a team trade for a player that is going to be released?! Madness, I say!
Infuriating.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 30, 2006, 03:43:56 PM
Texans acquire Moulds (http://www.790kbme.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=121311&article=395219)
QuoteTexans Acquire Moulds from Bills
The Houston Texans and Buffalo Bills have agreed on a trade that brings veteran wide receiver Eric Moulds to Houston.
Thursday, March 30, 2006
Moulds has agreed to a multi-year contract with the Texans, but the deal won't become official until he signs his new pact.
The 32-year-old Moulds caught 81 passes for 816 yards and four touchdowns for the 5-11 Bills last season
espn 790? must be a new station.
Local radio affiliate...
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 03:44:31 PM
QuoteDarwin Walkers Thigh| One of two thighs favored to land Mounds
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:41:15 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the Buffalo Bills regarding WR Eric Mounds. A trade could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. Darwin Walker's Thigh is considered one of two thighs favored to land Mounds, but unfortunately KFFL has been unable to acquire any detailed information about the nature of his thigh. Mounds will have to restructure his contract for Darwin and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
ha, that made me laugh, until i saw the real post about him being traded.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
Local radio affiliate...
like WIP, which reported this yesterday
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
Local radio affiliate...
i thought it was a joke. i still hope it is.
gotta love when a team that absolutely blows gets a great player but a team that is supposedly a superbowl contender and has oodles of money will barely take a sniff
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 03:50:47 PM
gotta love when a team that absolutely blows gets a great player but a team that is supposedly a superbowl contender and has oodles of money will barely take a sniff
You don't know if they took an all-out whiff or not. Stop pretending to actually know anything. We see through it now.
whiff or sniff they still lost out on a player to the friggin houston texans
QuoteChopsticks| One of two utensils favored by Eddie George
Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:41:15 -0800
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports trade talks are heating up with the China Wok regarding RB Eddie George. George prefers forks, after a recent visit to China Wok (aka China Wokka Wokka Wokka) in which Geogre sat on a set of chopsticks. A decision as to which utensil to use could be completed as soon as Thursday, March 30. Chopsticks is considered one of two utensils favored by George, but he can't get the memory of two chopsticks up his ass, out of his head. Unfortunately KFFL has been unable to acquire any detailed information about the incident, however, all chopsticks were smelled and a smell of poopie was not found. George will have to restructure his colon if he sits on another pair of chopsticks and that doesn't appear to be a problem.
Ha1
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I love me some Moulds...
I seriously would believe WIP over this B.S., actually.
Reported on PFT, too, fwiw.
Quote from: Zanshin on March 30, 2006, 04:26:08 PM
Reported on PFT, too, fwiw.
Not really.
QuoteMOULDS HEADED OUT OF BUFFALO?
The team eventually could be leaving town. For now, it looks like its star receiver will be on the move.
John Clayton of ESPN.com reports that the Buffalo Bills are close to trading Eric Moulds to the Texans or the Eagles. WIP Radio in Philly has reported that Moulds and the Texans have struck a deal as to his contract, which means that the only impediment is an agreement between the Bills and Texans as to the terms of the trade.
Moulds reportedly wants a three-year deal worth $5 million a season, and the Bills reportedly want a fourth-round pick. Both, in our view, are bargains -- especially since the draft does not contain an excessive amount of quality pass-catchers this year.
The Bills have asked Moulds on multiple occasions to take a pay cut, and he has declined. More recently, the team permitted Moulds to set up a trade.
Well, that's exactly what I meant...so, yeah, really.
garganos been saying it for 24 hrs
The national news is just lighting it up with this story, huh?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2006, 04:33:03 PM
garganos been saying it for 24 hrs
And you've been slurping his taint for 23 1/2 hours...
So...in summary....the report by Gargano is now being quoted as being the source for the Texans radio station (from reading the Texans fansite, a caller named Gargano as the source on their local sports station) and on PFT.
His report is still the only "source"...which is now over 24 hours old and still not one actual national network has reported it or investigated it to see if its true. In fact, Clayton and Reuben Frank both claim the Eagles to be making a push for him today, meaning that there ARE no done deals.
Nothing more to read here.
But I heard that a poster on the Texans message board also said it was a done deal for 4 years, $12 million, and that it was only pending a physical!!111
I actually did hear that, though. Which means nothing. But I did.
As we've all dealt with before (see Bentley, kevin Johnson, TO)....I won't believe any rumors until I see it actually proven.
That is all I am saying. I never once said its not a possibility, I just said that there is no reason to believe a rumor before its proven true.
i heard that not only is inderal good for treating high blood pressure, studies have suggested that it also helps in treating migraines. chalk one up to science.
If Moulds signs with the Texans he is with the gehs. If he signs with the Eagles he is the bestest WR in the NFL. holler
Quote from: MURP on March 30, 2006, 05:20:23 PM
If Moulds signs with the Texans he is with the gehs. If he signs with the Eagles he is the bestest WR in the NFL. holler
Post of the hour nominee!
Just read on a Bills MB that Moulds' agent was on Buffalo radio stating that there IS NO deal done, they are still in talks with both teams.
Finally it's official.
Proof (http://www.mrhinojosa.com/images/DeezNutsWeb.jpg)
I looked at the url before I clicked it, and went ahead and clicked anyway. I hate me
Apparently, WGR 550 radio in Buffalo is currently reporting that the Eagles and Texans have come to contract terms with Moulds' agent, but neither of the teams has worked out compensation with the Bills yet.
wip said hes gone. its a fact. end this charade.
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2006, 06:01:02 PM
wip said hes gone. its a fact. end this charade.
I seriously want to set fire to Eskins face and put it out with a chain.....he is the rudest f-in bastich. I wish for once he would let someone form a sentence before he chimes in....so hard to listen to
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2006, 06:01:02 PM
wip said hes gone. its a fact. end this charade.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?!?!?"
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Eh, we can always move Reno to WR.
Eagles just offer a 4th and get this god damn deal done!
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 30, 2006, 06:14:51 PM
Eagles just offer a 4th and get this god damn deal done!
How do you know they haven't? Or maybe the Texans offered their 5th, and so did we, but we're also offering a conditional pick to go with it... or something like that.
You have no idea what's going on (and neither do I), so chill out.
Look what I found... not good if true.
http://www.790kbme.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=121311&article=395219
QuoteTexans Acquire Moulds from Bills
The Houston Texans and Buffalo Bills have agreed on a trade that brings veteran wide receiver Eric Moulds to Houston.
However, the headline and the actual story contradict. The headline says it's done, the story says it's not.
Thats the same link that was posted hours ago. :boo
I didn't know it's old.
So is it a fake or not?
ESPN still says they are in talks, but that it could happen this evening. I'll go with ESPN.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 30, 2006, 05:59:54 PM
Apparently, WGR 550 radio in Buffalo is currently reporting that the Eagles and Texans have come to contract terms with Moulds' agent, but neither of the teams has worked out compensation with the Bills yet.
he's gonna rack up the frequent flyer miles splitting time between both teams
i think the eagles are going to sign him, trade for him, and then send him to the browns for LeCharles Bentley....then everyone is happy.
I'm surprised how many people are blowing their wads in this post about how the Eagles screwed up already. Hell, I want Moulds just as much as most of you, but I'm not going to trust Gargano and all the other WIP hacks when it's their job to stir up controversy and attrach listeners with their outrageous claims and stupidity.
It's not just WIP. Every source out there is pretty much saying the Texans are in the lead.
I won't flip my lid until he is in a Texans uniform, but there obviously is a very good chance that is where he goes.
Right now I don't see the Eagles in the playoffs, so they better do something to address WR, SAM and DT.
Moulds is a start.
Moulds will be a Texan, the sooner you can come to grips with this the easier it will be.
It's possible, but then that means Walker comes here! :yay
Is Green Bay on the schedule this year?
THE EAGLES ARE NOWHERE CLOSE TO A DEAL FOR MOULDS (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14225647.htm)
You know what I mean.
Face the facts, we are getting one of Moulds or Walker.
And when we don't get either can I point and laugh at you?
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 30, 2006, 07:13:21 PM
You know what I mean.
Face the facts, we are getting one of Moulds or Walker.
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Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 30, 2006, 07:16:08 PM
And when we don't get either can I point and laugh at you?
Sure.
I have to hold on to hope of something, because if a 3rd round pick is all we will be adding to this WR corps, then I just don't see this team making it far this year. With that assumption I have to have hope we will get another starter.
Even if we draft well, and address DT and SAM, I still think our offense will leave too much to be desired to advance far.
Negative Fargs!
...we ask the gods to bless us in return for eternal faith. We ask for Moulds...
...and we pray! :evil
did anybody hear that the Bills are shopping Moulds?
GET MOULDS!!1!
dude, you are like soooo late with that information man
Dolts, all.
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So here we are 24+ hours from when Gargano said something was up and we have nothing new. Reports come out and then are shot down.
Entertaining to read at least.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 30, 2006, 07:21:27 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 30, 2006, 07:13:21 PM
You know what I mean.
Face the facts, we are getting one of Moulds or Walker.
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The fact you referenced an Earl Klugh album makes this my blog of the month. Man used to listen to him back in the early 80's. Of course I was only three years old.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 30, 2006, 08:56:46 PM
So here we are 24+ hours from when Gargano said something was up and we have nothing new. Reports come out and then are shot down.
Entertaining to read at least.
Or maybe Gargano can see into the future.
Buffalo's sports radio website disputes the Houston sports radio website report (http://wgr550.com/bills/fullstory.php?id=1484) :-D
We won 12 games in the regular season with Thrash and Pinkston. The D is more of a mess than the O. If the D gets fixed, we win 12 games this season with Brown/Pinkston/Gaffney.
Christ, everyone here needs some farging Lithium. Or maybe electroshock.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 30, 2006, 09:06:03 PM
Buffalo's sports radio website disputes the Houston sports radio website report (http://wgr550.com/bills/fullstory.php?id=1484) :-D
Quotethe agent for Moulds - Harry Henderson.
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 30, 2006, 05:31:37 PM
Just read on a Bills MB that Moulds' agent was on Buffalo radio stating that there IS NO deal done, they are still in talks with both teams.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 30, 2006, 09:06:03 PM
Buffalo's sports radio website disputes the Houston sports radio website report (http://wgr550.com/bills/fullstory.php?id=1484) :-D
Thanks for the update, ed.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 30, 2006, 07:04:56 PM
It's not just WIP. Every source out there is pretty much saying the Texans are in the lead.
I won't flip my lid until he is in a Texans uniform, but there obviously is a very good chance that is where he goes.
Right now I don't see the Eagles in the playoffs, so they better do something to address WR, SAM and DT.
Moulds is a start.
Every "source" out there? PFT named WIP as its source, as did NFL Network. As did Texans radio.
Any other brainstorms for us? ::)
And ugh already at the boldfaced. The sky is falling mentality of this board is making me ill.
Yeah, but he gets bonus points for the link.
My story isn't the same as the Bills MB thing :)
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 30, 2006, 09:19:19 PM
My story isn't the same as the Bills MB thing :)
Actually, it kind of is.
Get TO
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 30, 2006, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 30, 2006, 07:04:56 PM
It's not just WIP. Every source out there is pretty much saying the Texans are in the lead.
I won't flip my lid until he is in a Texans uniform, but there obviously is a very good chance that is where he goes.
Right now I don't see the Eagles in the playoffs, so they better do something to address WR, SAM and DT.
Moulds is a start.
Every "source" out there? PFT named WIP as its source, as did NFL Network. As did Texans radio.
Any other brainstorms for us? ::)
And ugh already at the boldfaced. The sky is falling mentality of this board is making me ill.
I didn't say the sky was falling. I don't think the Eagles are a playoff team right now.
They weren't last year, even with McNabb completely healthy I still think they don't make the playoffs.
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2006, 10:04:42 PM
Get TO
That is exactly what this whole situation is like, only Moulds isn't quite the same caliber player. I learned from that situation that you can't trust it until it is official. Hell and even then it doesn't matter.
According to DGunn, Casserly told a Houston TV station that the restructured contract is 4 years, $12M, $5M bonus but no trade is done yet...
were not getting him
Any mention if the last year was optional? Still, for $3 million per season he's worth taking a risk on. Even if he's only productive for 2 of the seasons.
Oh well, have fun with your new Carr.
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2006, 10:36:17 PM
were not getting him
You're such a Negadelphian, this hasn't been mentioned anywhere. The sky is falling. What does that map on the door inside the hatch mean? Robert Esche is a top 5 punter in the NFL. David Bell will run for Senate in 20 years.
Sign Kevin Johnson
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 30, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
According to DGunn, Casserly told a Houston TV station that the restructured contract is 4 years, $12M, $5M bonus but no trade is done yet...
Our rumored offer was more per year.
I don't have a link, since I stole it from another site. But this article has Moulds' moms getting ready to tailgate in Houston. I'm still holding out hope since there is no real news on the subject...
Quote
By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
After days of negotiations, the Houston Texans are close to finalizing a trade that will land them Buffalo Bills wide receiver Eric Moulds.
The Texans have agreed to pay Moulds $14 million over four years, in a deal that includes a $5 million signing bonus. The only part of the deal that has yet to be finalized is what the Texans will give the Bills as compensation. The Texans are offering a fifth-round draft pick. The Bills are asking for a fourth-round pick.
Moulds will arrive in town on Monday to meet with Texans officials. He is slated to become the Texans' No. 2 receiver and start opposite Andre Johnson.
"We are excited for this opportunity, and Eric is ecstatic about playing opposite of Andre Johnson," said Greg Johnson, Moulds' agent. "We'd be overstepping our bounds if we said it's just about dotting the i's and crossing the t's. It's not that close to being done, but we are very excited."
Johnson and Texans general manager Charley Casserly said no more progress will be made toward a deal until Monday. Casserly will be in Los Angeles over the weekend to watch running back Reggie Bush workout at Southern Cal's pro day on Sunday.
Moulds, a 10-year veteran, was the Texans' main priority during the past week. After being outbid by Tennessee for free agent receiver David Givens, the Texans turned their focus to Moulds, who had two years left on his contract with the Bills.
Since Moulds was set to count about $10.8 million against Buffalo's salary cap next season, the Bills wanted to restructure his contract. When their attempts failed, they granted Moulds permission to seek a trade.
Moulds, who is 6-2, 210 pounds, has spent his entire career in Buffalo. He was a first-round pick in the 1996 draft and has been a full-time starter since 1998. He has 675 catches for 9,096 yards and 48 touchdowns in 154 career games.
Moulds, a native of Lucedale, Miss., is excited about moving closer to his home.
"His mom has only attended about five games in Buffalo," Johnson said. "She says she can't wait to get in her RV and head down I-10 for the six-hour drive. She wants to tailgate with the fans. She says it will remind her of his college days (at Mississippi State).
"Hopefully this will work out for everyone. I can't say it definitely will, but we're very excited."
Moulds has been hampered by an offense that has struggled for most of the past five years. The passing game, which has ranked no better than 27th in the past three seasons, was part of the reason Moulds sought to leave Buffalo.
While the Texans ranked 30th out of 32 teams in passing last year, Johnson said Moulds is optimistic that won't be the case for long.
"He's excited about catching balls from David Carr, and he's especially excited because there won't just be one Pro Bowl receiver — there will be two," Johnson said. "He told me, 'How do I know there are two Pro Bowl receivers? Because Andre Johnson beat me out two years ago.'
"He's excited about the possible addition of Reggie Bush or even playing alongside Domanick Davis. They are both great backs. He doesn't see this as just a two-and-whatever team. He feels it's a new year for this team, and that he can really come in and truly help them win some games."
Manfull (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3760740.html)
Quote"He's excited about catching balls from David Carr, and he's especially excited because there won't just be one Pro Bowl receiver — there will be two," Johnson said. "He told me, 'How do I know there are two Pro Bowl receivers? Because Andre Johnson beat me out two years ago.'
"He's excited about the possible addition of Reggie Bush or even playing alongside Domanick Davis. They are both great backs. He doesn't see this as just a two-and-whatever team. He feels it's a new year for this team, and that he can really come in and truly help them win some games."
Couldn't this be a little more predictable? I guess by not saying 'Show me the money' he's taking the high route.
Ah, is it definite now? If so, was the inability of the front office to give up the 4th rounder really what made the difference?
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on March 31, 2006, 02:19:10 AM
Ah, is it definite now? If so, was the inability of the front office to give up the 4th rounder really what made the difference?
How about you wait and see what the Texans gave up, sunshine?
who cares 4th or 5th, the Eagles probably didnt think he was worth what Keyshawn "suck my own" Johnson got with Carolina. We know he is certainly worth a 4th, but the FO covets their 4th rounders. Since they have now taken the fans ice cream away, I hope they have a creative way of giving it back.....
apparently moulds IS in the novacare complex this morning.
the cuz = god
Quote from: Wingspan on March 31, 2006, 08:13:49 AM
apparently moulds IS in the novacare complex this morning.
What?
exactly
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 08:20:44 AM
the cuz = god
Like I said, he was in a win-win and had no reason not to report his made-up story.
salty doesnt fit you
just admit cuz scooped the nation and give him his propers...cause we all know had he been wrong you pg and the minions would be all over him
He didn't scoop anything. He guessed right.
people on wip are actually allowed to get inside info and be right once in awhile...and even better than that they can do it and yous guys world wont end...pinch yourself...walk outside...feel the sun on your skin...breathe the fresh air....
youre still ALIVE!!!
You care about this a lot more than I do. I wouldn't mind if WIP actually got accurate inside information from time to time, but I believe that in this case, Gargano was playing the odds. Hell, if I were on radio, I might have done the same thing. When you find out it's between the Eagles and another team, and it's down to money in the contract and draft picks the team is willing to give up, the other team will usually win. Simple.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 09:20:46 AM
He didn't scoop anything. He guessed right.
your damn right he did. He knew the Eagles didnt even have a legitimate talk in place of a trade and Houston was the front runner. T-shirt are being made up right now...."I luv the cuz"....please..beat it slob. Get me a receiver
that's not Gargano's style though. i can believe Howard doing that, but not Gargano. Heckert gave him the inside info and he reported it. Simple.
he specifically said he had a phone call at 6:29 wednesday night from someone 'down there' (meaning novacare) that moulds had agreed to terms with the texans and hes was going there...did he have an out because a contract was not offcially signed..of course he did...but it was not an out he created for himself it was an out because the guy really hadnt signed...
since he went out of his way wed nite to report it he has 110% stuck to his guns and it remained on the ticker since...this is important because it was obviously the real deal and not eskin or gargano spouting crap in the middle of their show that they 'believed' something would happenor that they 'thought' something would happen....this was totally different and was obvious to at least me that it was a lock to happen
is wip always right of course not...do people at their station have inside sources of course they do...to just dismiss them because its wip is ignorant and now even after proven correct you wont even give him credit...that shows me that its a lot more important to you than you admit....salt
If cuz actually has inside sources, then they lead him wrong just as often as they lead him right.
not true because he rarely if ever quotes the sources or uses them to back his info as he did in this case...like i said from the start it wouldnt have been on the actual ticker if it werent true...
usually its something he thinks will happen from what hes been 'hearing'...for example hes saying he thinks that they will go out and get a rb and wr from what hes hearing...totally different than saying i just got a call from novacare saying that the eagles have agreed to terms with a rb and wr
Why are you constantly pimping those idiots? They got one right for a change. Yippee.
What do you want, a farging cookie?
Jesus...
...or how about saying..its about friggin time he got it right :bow
Point taken. Gargano gets a gold star. Fine.
P.S. BTW, after adding John Runyan, the Eagles have $17,804,340 in cap room.
(since this board promises up to the second cap savings updates)
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 09:43:12 AM
Point taken. Gargano gets a gold star. Fine.
P.S. BTW, after adding John Runyan, the Eagles have $17,804,340 in cap room.
(since this board promises up to the second cap savings updates)
you bastich.....I just erased my next point...nice work
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 07:04:32 AM
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on March 31, 2006, 02:19:10 AM
Ah, is it definite now? If so, was the inability of the front office to give up the 4th rounder really what made the difference?
How about you wait and see what the Texans gave up, sunshine?
I don't think I really have to wait and see. Supposedly the Texans were originally offering a 5th round, which was holding up the deal. If we had been willing to part with our 4th rounder from the get go, he'd be in Philly right now. But alas, we need as many of those 4th rounders as we can get!
Why are you constantly pimping those idiots? They got one right for a change. Yippee.
What do you want, a farging cookie?
Jesus...
irony at its finest...i didnt pimp them i only defended him in this case...i simply posted that the way cuz reported this made it more than credible in my opinion...and your little army of anti wip pro FO forces went ballistic...
i love wip yes...do i believe everything they say is gospel of course not...i process what they say and how they say it and then form my opinion...wheras you automatically dismiss everything that comes out of their mouths...they are not better or worse than whoever your media darlings are...ill tell you what i trust wip just as much if not more than i trust the cia type regime that is the eagles right now
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 31, 2006, 09:42:21 AM
Why are you constantly pimping those idiots? They got one right for a change. Yippee.
What do you want, a farging cookie?
Jesus...
somebody needs to balance out the irrational hate
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on March 31, 2006, 09:47:01 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 07:04:32 AM
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on March 31, 2006, 02:19:10 AM
Ah, is it definite now? If so, was the inability of the front office to give up the 4th rounder really what made the difference?
How about you wait and see what the Texans gave up, sunshine?
I don't think I really have to wait and see. Supposedly the Texans were originally offering a 5th round, which was holding up the deal. If we had been willing to part with our 4th rounder from the get go, he'd be in Philly right now. But alas, we need as many of those 4th rounders as we can get!
You have a source, or is that just an educated guess?
im not gonna wait and see on anything...im also not gonna blast the eagles either...becasue like ff none of really know what happened
what i will say is that this is the second time this month that its happened...and thats disturbing
i wouldn't put this in the same category as Bently, but it's still not good.
they were one on one with another team for a great player and lost...the reasons/excuses may be different but the bottom line result is the same
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 31, 2006, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 31, 2006, 09:42:21 AM
Why are you constantly pimping those idiots? They got one right for a change. Yippee.
What do you want, a farging cookie?
Jesus...
somebody needs to balance out the irrational hate
Do we really need to be pimping WIP and the iceholes who work there on this board? Is that what CF has devolved into now?
Jesus, Mo...
I'm glad IGY thinks WIP is quality entertainment. I'm happy that he digs the people there. But to go on and on about it for two farging pages is ridiculous.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 09:59:37 AM
they were one on one with another team for a great player and lost...the reasons/excuses may be different but the bottom line result is the same
..but were they really "one-on-one"? I mean seriously, we probably threw a worm out there, the Texans threw out shark chum and...see-ya bye.
when i said that his report was more than real and explained my reasons why...you should have accepted that since it was obvious...it would have ended there
but instead yous went crazy on gargano and anything that had to do with wip...after that i cant help but mess with you psychos
cuz=god
everyone needs to take a shut the hell up supository
but were they really "one-on-one"? I mean seriously
birds vs browns for bentley
birds vs texans vs moulds
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 10:08:46 AM
when i said that his report was more than real and explained my reasons why...you should have accepted that since it was obvious...it would have ended there
but instead yous went crazy on gargano and anything that had to do with wip...after that i cant help but mess with you psychos
cuz=god
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/BananaClock/DancingAndy1.gif)
I luve me some cuz
I'll take the cookie if no one else wants it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 31, 2006, 10:05:52 AM
Do we really need to be pimping WIP and the iceholes who work there on this board? Is that what CF has devolved into now?
Jesus, Mo...
I'm glad IGY thinks WIP is quality entertainment. I'm happy that he digs the people there. But to go on and on about it for two farging pages is ridiculous.
do we really need to go on and on about how awful it is either?
Anyway - it's too bad if Moulds is going to Houston. I don't care what they say. Unless they resolve the offensive line issues, their offense is going to be worse than Buffalo's. Much worse.
There have still been no reports whatsoever as to any kind of agreement between the Texans and Bills on a trade.
I'm guessing that the Eagles are not willing to pay as much as the Texans for Moulds (as I said all along), and that neither the Texans or Eagles are inclined to give the Bills a draft pick for a player that they know will be released before his roster bonus is due in July regardless.
Yeah but to let him get away over a fourth round draft pick is idiotic, bro.
I mean, damn... a fourth rounder??
Ugh. :P
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 10:45:17 AM
There have still been no reports whatsoever as to any kind of agreement between the Texans and Bills on a trade.
I'm guessing that the Eagles are not willing to pay as much as the Texans for Moulds (as I said all along), and that neither the Texans or Eagles are inclined to give the Bills a draft pick for a player that they know will be released before his roster bonus is due in July regardless.
could be the case, but what if the Texans wait and the Eagles dish out more loot when hes cut? (I did not just say that about the Eagles did I?)
It won't happen. Spadaro is in super spin mode already, saying "Moulds will be in Houston" without hesitation.
1 hit away from Gaffney and Pinkston (or even Greg Lewis) as starters.....
Quote from: MURP on March 31, 2006, 11:10:48 AM
1 hit away from Gaffney and Pinkston (or even Greg Lewis) as starters.....
Don't worry. They have 10 draft picks, and they plan on using at least 6 or 7 on WR's.
I don't care what they say. Unless they resolve the offensive line issues, their offense is going to be worse than Buffalo's. Much worse.
with runyan back and tra healthy i think their line is solid...lets say a C+ with the potential for growth...but throw in a F wr core and no running game and you have possible problems on offense
If the line is actually decent, then they should have a running game.
if they are able to pick up Jonathan Duckett
I was referring to Houston's offensive line, not the Eagles'.
:-D
I'd like a big back, but if the line can block, we should be fine with the horde of little guys.
SUPER WISHBONE!
Also, who needs a running game, when they can always do this?
(http://www.hewroteshewrote.com/images/unstoppablePlay.bmp)
look at schobels range!!
he's the hot route dude.
Assuming Reggie Bush will be playing WR is kinda silly, dude.
Nice effort, though. B+
i'm going on record as giving Rome the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 31, 2006, 11:48:01 AM
i'm going on record as giving Rome the benefit of the doubt.
I'm pretty sure that the Texans would trade the Eagles Bush for Hollis Thomas and a 3rd.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 31, 2006, 11:48:01 AM
i'm going on record as giving Rome the benefit of the doubt.
I'm pretty sure that the Texans would trade the Eagles Bush for Hollis Thomas and a 3rd.
or McDougle.. ;)
:-D
i love having one of the worst wr corps in the nfl! :yay
this is the year, no doubt.
i love those drawings :-D
thats all.
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5114/1049960dz.gif)
I don't know why but I have the urge to reach for a tissue when I see this...
:whistle:
real or fake?
i say those suckers are real.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 31, 2006, 12:28:39 PM
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5114/1049960dz.gif)
I don't know why but I have the urge to reach for a tissue when I see this...
:whistle:
Who is that?
Ahhh... doesn't matter...
Get that girl some Alavert
Javon Walker time! :yay
Javon Walker time!
word!?
Fat Lenny P takes the Manfull and adds some of his own (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2391714)
Quotemany of the franchises cited as having interest in Moulds, notably the Philadelphia Eagles, never got involved in substantive discussions. Talks with the Eagles were initiated by Moulds' agent, and were relatively one-sided.
Not surprised, unless Moulds was willing to drop his salary demands in half the Eagles wouldn't look his way. Guess the $17 million is Jeffy's rainy day fund.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 02:19:18 PM
Javon Walker time!
word!?
Dontcha know I gotta key by tha 3, when I chirp shawty chirp back, louie nap sack where I'm holdin all the work at.
I can't honestly believe we will go into the season with our top 3 receivers as Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney.
It's impossible. They can't do that to the fans. They just can't.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:26:50 PM
I can't honestly believe we will go into the season with our top 3 receivers as Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney.
It's impossible. They can't do that to the fans. They just can't.
Somebody's in for a big surprise.
Dontcha know I gotta key by tha 3, when I chirp shawty chirp back, louie nap sack where I'm holdin all the work at.
BAN?
That's why I said Javon Walker time.
You'll never expect it.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 02:19:18 PM
Javon Walker time!
word!?
Dontcha know I gotta key by tha 3, when I chirp shawty chirp back, louie nap sack where I'm holdin all the work at.
What in the WORLD are you talking about?
Thats wigga talk, igy care to translate?
It's lyrics from that song What You Know About That by TI.
It's used it that new movie coming out.
I forget the name of it.
Thats wigga talk, igy care to translate?
Dontcha know I gotta key by tha 3
good googly moogly im white
when I chirp shawty chirp back
look at how my package grows when i get close to the ladies.....ooooh look its a lady!
louie nap sack where I'm holdin all the work at
check out my new fag bag it matches my fish net cut off top perfectly
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 31, 2006, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 02:19:18 PM
Javon Walker time!
word!?
Dontcha know I gotta key by tha 3, when I chirp shawty chirp back, louie nap sack where I'm holdin all the work at.
What in the WORLD are you talking about?
Geo, I guess we only understand Earl Klugh.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:26:50 PM
I can't honestly believe we will go into the season with our top 3 receivers as Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney.
It's impossible. They can't do that to the fans. They just can't.
They will say we tried to get Moulds and Walker, but couldn't. NO WAY IN HELL they get Walker in here, This is the WR's we will have for the season.
The KKK deceased members are turning in their graves after those posts.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on March 31, 2006, 02:43:21 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:26:50 PM
I can't honestly believe we will go into the season with our top 3 receivers as Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney.
It's impossible. They can't do that to the fans. They just can't.
They will say we tried to get Moulds and Walker, but couldn't. NO WAY IN HELL they get Walker in here, This is the WR's we will have for the season.
If we don't get Walker, then we take a receiver in round 1 or 2.
your denial is laughable. this WR corp is already better than the one from 2001-2003, and they had no problem playing a season with those bums.
It won't be round 1. They don't like Jackson or Holmes....
So because we played with bums in 2001-2003, we should accept having average receivers in 2006?
We also played with a weak, small MLB in 2003 as well. How about trading away Trotter and starting Simoneau again. Because, hey, we made it far in 2003, so Simoneau must be fine.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:45:40 PM
If we don't get Walker, then we take a receiver in round 1 or 2.
Already going back on your "definitely getting Moulds or Walker" stance, I see.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:26:50 PM
I can't honestly believe we will go into the season with our top 3 receivers as Brown, Pinkston, and Gaffney.
It's impossible. They can't do that to the fans. They just can't.
QuoteThere were some other suitors for Moulds, who last week was granted permission by the Bills to seek out trade possibilities, but none were as aggressive as the Texans. And many of the franchises cited as having interest in Moulds, notably the Philadelphia Eagles, never got involved in substantive discussions. Talks with the Eagles were initiated by Moulds' agent, and were relatively one-sided.
I am shocked, just shocked :-D
this is what we get, one of the most pass happy teams in the league and no studs at WR to throw to Hooray for us!
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:49:52 PM
We also played with a weak, small MLB in 2003 as well. How about trading away Trotter and starting Simoneau again. Because, hey, we made it far in 2003, so Simoneau must be fine.
Is that you coach Reid?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:45:40 PM
If we don't get Walker, then we take a receiver in round 1 or 2.
Already going back on your "definitely getting Moulds or Walker" stance, I see.
I'm holding out any hope that I can find, because I can't see us winning a Superbowl with the current WRs. If this receiving corps stands exactly as it is come september, then I will shred this team.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:49:52 PM
So because we played with bums in 2001-2003, we should accept having average receivers in 2006?
We also played with a weak, small MLB in 2003 as well. How about trading away Trotter and starting Simoneau again. Because, hey, we made it far in 2003, so Simoneau must be fine.
no, ass. you keep saying that you "can't believe" that they would come into this season with these receivers. well, they've come into a season with worse, so why the farg would it be so unbelieveable that they would start the season with these recievers.
and stop saying "we", you're not on the team.
Better get ready, Shredder.
(http://www.starpoint.net/~dennis/Shredder.gif)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 31, 2006, 02:54:21 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:49:52 PM
So because we played with bums in 2001-2003, we should accept having average receivers in 2006?
We also played with a weak, small MLB in 2003 as well. How about trading away Trotter and starting Simoneau again. Because, hey, we made it far in 2003, so Simoneau must be fine.
no, ass. you keep saying that you "can't believe" that they would come into this season with these receivers. well, they've come into a season with worse, so why the farg would it be so unbelieveable that they would start the season with these recievers.
and stop saying "we", you're not on the team.
Ok, I get your point now, and it's a valid point. However, I think that idea went out the window after the Carolina game, where our receivers flat out lost this team a chance to go to the Superbowl.
I don't think they will make the same mistake twice. These receivers are better than what we had then, but the fact is it's still not good enough IMO.
Plus, after coming off a 6-10 season, their goal should be to heavily upgrade every position as much as they can. Should it not be?
What their goal should be and what it actually is could be very different things, and probably are...
because this FO is cheap and sucks and I want to kill them all!!!!!!!1111111
this WR corp is already better than the one from 2001-2003
you sure about that
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 31, 2006, 02:54:21 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:49:52 PM
So because we played with bums in 2001-2003, we should accept having average receivers in 2006?
We also played with a weak, small MLB in 2003 as well. How about trading away Trotter and starting Simoneau again. Because, hey, we made it far in 2003, so Simoneau must be fine.
no, ass. you keep saying that you "can't believe" that they would come into this season with these receivers. well, they've come into a season with worse, so why the farg would it be so unbelieveable that they would start the season with these recievers.
and stop saying "we", you're not on the team.
Ok, I get your point now, and it's a valid point. However, I think that idea went out the window after the Carolina game, where our receivers flat out lost this team a chance to go to the Superbowl.
I don't think they will make the same mistake twice. These receivers are better than what we had then, but the fact is it's still not good enough IMO.
Plus, after coming off a 6-10 season, their goal should be to heavily upgrade every position as much as they can. Should it not be?
blame it on a slew of injuries with the QB injured ....and locker room turmoil. Not every position, DT and WR and were good
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 03:00:31 PM
this WR corp is already better than the one from 2001-2003
you sure about that
yeah...
Reggie Brown > James Thrash
Pinky 2006 < Pinky 2003
Gaffney > 4th and 26
and it's not just the talent that I'm worried about.
Your #2 receiver just came off of a ruptured achilles tendon injury. That is an extremely difficult injury to rebound from in this league. The #1 receiver is a 2nd year player. Again, I love Reggie Brown, but if he hits a sophmore wall, then we have no one to fall back on.
All things considered, combined with my previous post, logic tells me they have to be looking to bring in another stud. Not just to upgrade the talent, but to upgrade their depth and security at that position.
So whether it's Walker, a draft pick on day 1, or if Moulds pulls a Bentley, I still think they are looking to add someone at the position.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 02:56:44 PM
Plus, after coming off a 6-10 season, their goal should be to heavily upgrade every position as much as they can. Should it not be?
i'm not disagreeing with that a little bit. i'm simply responding to your unbridled optimisim that you can't believe they won't do anything else with receiver. while i hope it otherwise, i absolutely believe that they won't do anything else with reciever.
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 03:02:46 PM
So whether it's Walker, a draft pick on day 1, or if Moulds pulls a Bentley, I still think they are looking to add someone at the position.
No shtein, Sherlock. But adding "a draft pick on day 1" is the super-duh of the day. I had been making fun of you because you were absolutely sure the team was getting either Moulds or Walker, and you are probably completely wrong.
i bet all along, Moulds just wanted to be with ND Kalu.
Deep down I don't think we will, but I have to believe so because I need something to look forward to this season. It's too early to get down on a team.
gaffney is freddie mitchell
i guess reggie is better than thrash as far as this season is concerned (he clearly will be better down the road)...i personally think people are overrating him cause he had a decent meaningless game or two at the end of the season...most games last year he was horrid
pinky is clearly not as good this year if he contributes at all
if the wr's are better right now its marginal at best
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 31, 2006, 03:05:56 PM
Deep down I don't think we will, but I have to believe so because I need something to look forward to this season. It's too early to get down on a team.
If you're a Philly fan, it's never too early.
i would go higher than marginal, but that's arguring the minute details, bottom line, you agreed with me....
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If you're a Philly fan, it's never too early.
lol
you know McNabb is lobbying hard right now for WR...HARD. He's not a fool, he sees the talent he is throwing to. He knows this city will cane him in the middle of Broad steet if he craps the bed this season. It all falls on #5, so he has to be lobbying. I say we get a WR before the season starts....no question.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 03:08:09 PM
If you're a Philly fan, it's never too early.
lol
Do you disagree? I think the outlook for the 2008-2009 Sixers looks like crap.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2006, 03:08:09 PM
If you're a Philly fan, it's never too early.
lol
Do you disagree? I think the outlook for the 2008-2009 Sixers looks like crap.
funny boy, funny :-D
you agreed with me....
this WR corp is already better than the one from 2001-2003
you sure about that
DIE
I think Donovan is better suited to stick to more underneath (TE/RB) routes anyway.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 31, 2006, 03:44:25 PM
I think Donovan is better suited to stick to more underneath (TE/RB) routes anyway.
I disagree, unless you think ankle balls are okay.
That's so 2002. He's more accurate than Steve DeBerg or Bernie Kosar nowadays. Didn't you get that memo?
I did, but I mixed it up with the 'McNabb is white' memo from igy.