Free Agency '06 (Moulds isn't coming. 17.8 million in cap space.)

[rjs246]

I like the idea of trading down if either of the DTs aren't there. Justice would also be a reasonable pick, but they could probably grab him later in the first and if they could pick up an extra first day pick or two it would be an ideal scenario.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

According to this, the Eagles should only have to trade their pick and a third to move up two spots.

That chart is only a general guideline and is further meaningless this year, because both teams directly ahead of the Eagles could be interested in either Ngata and/or Bunkley.  Hell, if VD is off the board, the Rams could be interested too.  It's more difficult than the chart would indicate to move up if the teams ahead of you are looking for the same thing.

[PhillyPhreak54]

So you'd be opposed to trading up for Bunkley?

If they traded up to get him it would only be about 2-3 spots. Get to #11 or #12...ahead of BAL.

I'd be severely opposed to using the 2nd rounder to move up, which means they're probably looking at giving up the 3rd and a 4th to move up that far.  My problem is that you throw all that for Bunkley, and you have to be really careful how you use him, because he has some injury history and he will be a rookie.

Also, I don't think his collegiate performance makes him worth any higher than the 14th pick... so it means the Eagles are moving up to fill a need, which I hate.  Considering all the depth problems across the board, I'd ALMOST rather they stay put and trade down if both Ngata and Bunkley are gone... they could grab a guy like Wroten or Watson and acquire another 1st day pick to fill some extra needs... like an MLB to groom under Trotter and a Safety to groom under Dawkins.

How many picks do they have?

What depth problems are there?

Would giving up an additional pick really hurt them at filling depth needs since thy have a ton of picks?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

What I'm saying is that they will either have to give up a more significant pick (the 2nd rounder) or multiple picks (the 3rd and a 4th) to make a move up worthwhile.  I don't think the actual players they'd be moving up for are worth it (Bunkley specifically), so we're talking about a move up for a need position.  Which sucks.

But hey... we could just be the taterskins and treat all our picks like toilet paper to get the one guy we like!  Yay!

[PhillyPhreak54]

But if the guy is good, whats the problem with paying an extra draft pick out of the many that they have to get the guy who they love?

if it meant moving up to #7? I wouldn't be as keen on it.

It if meant moving up to #12? Sign me up.

If they only had 5-6 picks I wouldn't be saying this. But they have a lot of picks.

Who do you want at 14 if you don't like Bunkley? So what if he is a need? If he's the BPA and also a need you take him. If he's the number 1 guy who is on your board you trade up to take him or draft him at the spot you're in regardless of it is because he is a need.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

At this point, with the Eagles needs, I like Bunkley at #14.

But the Eagles need first-day talent at LB right now, both at SAM and for depth behind Trotter.  They need first-day talent on the offensive line.  They sure as hell could use some at WR.  BTW, Dawkins isn't going to be around forever and Lewis was questionable at times last year.  Who's the 3rd QB?  Is our backfield seriously set with Westbrook/Moats/Parry/Tapeh?

I'm trying to make this really clear, but apparently I haven't.

THIS TEAM HAS TOO MANY HOLES TO BE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF FIRST-DAY PICKS THEY HAVE.

2nd day picks are nice when they pan out.  The Eagles did well last year with Herremans and Cole, it would seem.  But I do not want to bank on a 4th or 5th rounder to be a future starter and/or 2006 2nd string.

[Rome]

According to this, the Eagles should only have to trade their pick and a third to move up two spots.

That chart is only a general guideline and is further meaningless this year...

Well, if we're to believe Spadaro, it isn't.  He told me that the team uses that exact chart when discussing trades with other teams.

[PhillyPhreak54]

At this point, with the Eagles needs, I like Bunkley at #14.

But the Eagles need first-day talent at LB right now, both at SAM and for depth behind Trotter.  They need first-day talent on the offensive line.  They sure as hell could use some at WR.  BTW, Dawkins isn't going to be around forever and Lewis was questionable at times last year.  Who's the 3rd QB?  Is our backfield seriously set with Westbrook/Moats/Parry/Tapeh?

I'm trying to make this really clear, but apparently I haven't.

THIS TEAM HAS TOO MANY HOLES TO BE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF FIRST-DAY PICKS THEY HAVE.

2nd day picks are nice when they pan out.  The Eagles did well last year with Herremans and Cole, it would seem.  But I do not want to bank on a 4th or 5th rounder to be a future starter and/or 2006 2nd string.

1. You are not going to spend a first day pick on a 3rd string QB. It would be stupid to do so.

2. A backup MLB can be found in the 4th/5th round. You do not need to spend a first day pick on a backup to Trotter.

3. SAM LB I would agree with. But if they would get off their asses and SIGN ONE NOW then we wouldn't have anything to really worry about because they'd have a starter and a backup (Greg Richmond).

4. Lewis was questionable last year. But he also had a PB season in 2004. Which is the real Lewis? I would say that I lean towards the 2004 version because they had a pass rush in 2004 and did not have one in 2005. He was also forced into covering TEs more in space becuase Dhani Jones eats massive amounts of ballsack.

5. Dawk is obviously getting older. But the shelf life of a FS in this league is a bit longer than Dawk's age. So he can play another 3-4 years, IMO. How old was Rod Woodson? How old is Troy Vincent? Finding a replacement for him now is not a pressing need, IMO. And what if Matt Ware is that guy anyways? We don't know what he can do at FS.

6. RBs can be found anywhere. We do need some help there behind Westbrook and Moats. What if that guy is Bruce Perry? And if it is not then you can find a guy later in the draft.

7. OL - I would agree with. But I want defensive line help first and foremost. They need a pass rush and they need to fix that defense.

So if I had to give up a #3 to move up to get a stud DT, I do it. Whether it is Ngata or Bunkley.

[The BIGSTUD]

PP54, it depends on how much the Eagles want Bunkley or Ngata as opposed to how much they just want a DT in general.

If they have to give up a 3rd rounder this year to move up, I think they'd just sit tight and take Gabe Watson out of Michigan or take an offensive lineman - depending on if Runyan re-signed or not. And even if he does they already told you they want that interior shored up because of their heavy interest in Bentley. So they may look for a G/C anyway. But there might not be a good value pick at that spot for the offensive line, so DT still looks like the pick to me.

[SD_Eagle5]

3. SAM LB I would agree with. But if they would get off their asses and SIGN ONE NOW then we wouldn't have anything to really worry about because they'd have a starter and a backup (Greg Richmond).

At this point since J. Peterson and Arrington have been out there this long, they'd probably jump at a big one year deal ($5-6 million) since they're obviously not finding their price on the market. Doubtful, but I hope the Eagles give a 1 year deal some thought. Going into the season with this much unused cap space would be insane.

[Rome]

We were speculating as to why Gaffney was signed to a one-year deal earlier in the thread.  Here's Spadaro's response to that question:

Gaffney didn't want to commit to anything long term. If he has success, I'm guessing the Eagles will approach him about a longer-term deal. We'll see.

Just like we thought.

[PhillyPhreak54]

3. SAM LB I would agree with. But if they would get off their asses and SIGN ONE NOW then we wouldn't have anything to really worry about because they'd have a starter and a backup (Greg Richmond).

At this point since J. Peterson and Arrington have been out there this long, they'd probably jump at a big one year deal ($5-6 million) since they're obviously not finding their price on the market. Doubtful, but I hope the Eagles give a 1 year deal some thought. Going into the season with this much unused cap space would be insane.

Agreed.

I think the fact that they are still on the market is a good thing. But I am not going to hold my breath. I keep hearing how they want to upgrade from Dhani but they haven't made a move yet. Hopefully they will.

[ice grillin you]

the eagles have enough problems making first round picks without having to give up extra picks to do so

if bunkley was such a stud DT why isnt he going into the top ten...he seems like a solid guy but he isnt some kind of super stud elite player...i dont give up shtein to get him and certainly not a first day pick

in fact this year looks like a good year to trade down

[SD_Eagle5]

the eagles have enough problems making first round picks without having to give up extra picks to do so

if bunkley was such a stud DT why isnt he going into the top ten...he seems like a solid guy but he isnt some kind of super stud elite player...i dont give up shtein to get him and certainly not a first day pick

in fact this year looks like a good year to trade down

The top 10 is deep this year, 3 QBs will be taken (Leinhart, Young, Cutler), possibly 2 RBs (Definitely 1, Bush, White), a stud OT (D'brick), a stud LB (AJ Hawk), a stud RDE (Williams), a stud TE (Davis). Might not be a bad year to trade back but I wouldn't be shocked if some quality players who were originally top 10 picks fall.

[ice grillin you]

Might not be a bad year to trade back but I wouldn't be shocked if some quality players who were originally top 10 picks fall

yeah if someone totally unexpected like veedee drops then you definitely take him...hell id trade up for him...but its also possible someone drops that the eagles may not be in love with but another team is and in that case trade down

bubkley just isnt one of those players that overly excites me...i like him and if they go with him at 14 i have no problem...but you dont trade a first day pick to get him