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To a one year deal.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14108715.htm

QuoteThe Eagles added a starting wide receiver last night when they agreed to a one-year deal with unrestricted free agent Jabar Gaffney, who started 50 of 64 games during his four seasons with the Houston Texans.

Details of the deal were not immediately available. It remains to be seen if he will move into the starting lineup with the Eagles, who also have receivers Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, Greg Lewis, Billy McMullen and Darnerien McCants on the roster. McCants also signed a one-year deal yesterday.

Gaffney, 25, is the cousin of Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard, and the two played together at the University of Florida. Gaffney and Sheppard were drafted in 2002, with Sheppard going in the first round to the Eagles and Gaffney going with the first pick of the second round to the Texans. Gaffney's father, Derrick, also played in the NFL, spending eight seasons with the New York Jets.

The move to acquire Gaffney came just one day after the Eagles released Terrell Owens. Owens' agent Drew Rosenhaus also represents Gaffney.

Though Gaffney never lived up to the potential of being such a high pick with the Texans, it should be noted that his first year was also Houston's first in the NFL. The Texans have had one of the worst offenses in the league and had trouble throwing the ball because they were unable to protect quarterback David Carr.

Gaffney, who was the Texans' No. 2 receiver, had his best year in terms of receiving yards in 2004 when he caught 41 passes for 632 yards and two touchdowns. Last season, he had a career-high 55 catches for 492 yards and two touchdowns.

I don't know what to think. He's young and has upside, but if we go into the season with Reggie Brown, Gaffney, and Pinkston as our starters, that will be... um, not good.

Let's hope this just means McMullen is cut and we may look to draft or trade for another receiver, but I'm thinking this will be it for receivers. But I still like the signing. He's young and has upside.

Here are Gaffney's stats compared to some of the big name receivers that were on the market.

Gaffney:
2002   Houston Texans   16   14   41   483   11.8   27   1   5   0   27
2003   Houston Texans   16   11   34   402   11.8   33   2   4   0   21
2004   Houston Texans   16   12   41   632   15.4   69   2   12   1   34
2005   Houston Texans   16   13   55   492   8.9   29   2   3   0   31

Randle El:
2002   Pittsburgh Steelers   16   0   47   489   10.4   36   2   7   0   22
2003   Pittsburgh Steelers   16   1   37   364   9.8   32   1   4   0   21
2004   Pittsburgh Steelers   16   7   43   601   14.0   39   3   10   0   29
2005   Pittsburgh Steelers   16   15   35   558   15.9   63   1   10   3   23

Givens:
2002   New England Patriots   12   0   9   92   10.2   30   1   1   0   4
2003   New England Patriots   13   5   34   510   15.0   57   6   9   2   24
2004   New England Patriots   15   12   56   874   15.6   50   3   13   3   47
2005   New England Patriots   13   10   59   738   12.5   40   2   9   1   32

Jurevicius:
1998   New York Giants   14   1   9   146   16.2   59   0   2   1   6
1999   New York Giants   16   1   18   318   17.7   71   1   3   2   12
2000   New York Giants   14   3   24   272   11.3   43   1   2   1   17
2001   New York Giants   14   9   51   706   13.8   46   3   10   1   36
2002   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   15   3   37   423   11.4   26   4   4   0   24
2003   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   5   2   12   118   9.8   22   2   1   0   9
2004   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   10   3   27   333   12.3   42   2   5   1   15
2005   Seattle Seahawks   16   11   55   694   12.6   52   10   9   1   39

I see him as challenging Pinkston. He has very siliar stats to all of them--now let's see what happens when he has McNabb throwing to him instead of Carr. When you give up an average of what, 70 sacks per season, your wideouts aren't going to do much.

Meh.  Marginally improves the WR corps.  I guess he is Pinky insurance though.

I like Gaffney. I think he can be a decent number two. Has Pinky's ability, minus the inclination to be such a Hoyda. The Texans also used him to return kicks.

(http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/houtex/gaffneytex.jpg)
His old prospect profile:

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Prospect Profile

Jabar Gaffney 
Position: Wide Receiver   
College: Florida 
Height: 6-1 
Weight: 193  (Now listed at 205)
Hometown: Jacksonville, Fla. 

Career Notes | Agility | High School | Personal | Stats



ANALYSIS
Positives: Solidly built pass catcher with long legs ... Very physical with defensive backs, using his hands well to push off to create space ... Does a nice job of positioning his body to go up and haul down the pass in traffic ... Shows excellent concentration, exploding in his cuts and executing fluid stutter-step moves in his routes ... Long strider with explosive acceleration in the open ... Has great body control and the ability to make the acrobatic catches ... Stays low in and out of his cuts, displaying the separation quickness to consistently go deep ... Has superb acceleration and attacks defenders after the catch ... Extends and adjusts well going for the ball in traffic ... Has the power to drive defenders off when breaking back for the ball ... Gets into his routes fluidly, using his quick feet to make sudden moves after the catch.

Negatives: Has toughness going over the middle, but rarely faces up to the defender when blocking ... Needs to drop his hips quicker when running patterns ... Has great hands, but will double catch at times ... Fiesty runner after the catch, but is more of a straight-line type, not showing the shake needed to consistently elude ... Has a pair of the smallest hands in college football (7½-inches).

Even Andre Johnson, with of that dude's ability, looked like total ass last year in the Texans offense. Totally screwed one of my fantasy teams too.

Yeah... I know he has potential, but I guess I just need to see proof that it was the Houston offense that was holding him back.

You know the deal with those Florida WR's...

Quote from: EagleFeva on March 16, 2006, 07:04:01 AM
Yeah... I know he has potential, but I guess I just need to see proof that it was the Houston offense that was holding him back.

You know the deal with those Florida WR's...

No doubt.

However, in an offense that wasn't by any means spectacular, he still had decent numbers. The one thing I've found while poking around about him is that since he has turned pro, he has never missed a game.

This whole story does smell a bit fishy though. A guy as young and with as much upside as Gaffney, getting just a one year deal? He has put up decent numbers in the past, he's no number one for sure, but why would he take a one year deal? Either way, I still hope they bring in another WR to give Reggie some competition.

This move really signals to me only that they are very unsure about Pinky's return to his former self.

From the Texans website:

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PRO: Fast receiver who hasn't missed a game in four NFL seasons...exceptional athlete who boasts good hands and balance...teams with WR Andre Johnson to give Houston one of the NFL's best young receiving tandems...has already started 49 games at age 25...can boast 171 career receptions for 2,009 yards and seven TDs...originally drafted by the Texans with the first pick of the second round (33rd overall) of the 2002 NFL Draft.

Not quite sure about you guys, but if this was our going to be our new starter, I don't think he'd be signed to a one-year deal.

Sounds more like a "lets see what he can do since we don't know how Pinkston will be and we don't think Wilbur is worth the gloves he uses".

And because they make a one-year deal with the guy doesn't take other guys out of the picture.

But of course, lets just all jump to conclusions that this is all they'll do.  Like the title of this thread. Nice ASSUMPTION.

He's an above average #3 and a below average #2. Get Walker.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 07:37:39 AM
He's an above average #3 and a below average #2. Get Walker.

Its impossible to know for sure what he really is after having played with that offense the past few years.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 07:33:16 AM
Not quite sure about you guys, but if this was our going to be our new starter, I don't think he'd be signed to a one-year deal.

Sounds more like a "lets see what he can do since we don't know how Pinkston will be and we don't think Wilbur is worth the gloves he uses".

That summed it up pretty well. He's insurance. I'm fine with Gaffney for now because at the very least he provides competition and depth. Still holding out for either Walker or Moulds.

Yeah, as long as he's insurance/depth... it's all good.

Good signing!  I almost wish it was for a longer contract since I think he will flourish here.  There will still be a lot of pressure on Reggie to be a #1 WR.  If he is up to it, our passing game should be pretty good.

Sounds kinda like the Barber contract a few years ago, except he's proving his skills rather than his recovery.
Eh, at least he's big.

same scenario....i like gaffney...but....

if gaffney is just another body thrown into the mix with what they already have and the best three come out on top then its trouble

if gaffney is the #3 guy behind reggie and moulds then its a very nice move


as for the people yelling to get walker...becareful what you wish for...he had a very very serious knee injury....theres no guarantee hes gonna be 100% next year much less be back to what he was...he may NEVER be that

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 07:56:54 AM
same scenario....i like gaffney...but....

if gaffney is just another body thrown into the mix with what they already have and the best three come out on top then its trouble

if gaffney is the #3 guy behind reggie and moulds then its a very nice move

Yep.

Gaffney's NFL.com page (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306271)

I like the deal, simply because Gaffney is an immediate improvement over Lewis and McMullen, insurance for Pinkston coming off injury, and will be happy to be reunited with his good friend and cousin Lito.  Also, it doesn't preclude the Eagles from adding another receiver of starter quality or a draft pick.

Of course... that is if this is even true.

Better than Wilbur and Gregory. Still need a Walker or Moulds. Having Gaffney as a #4 is fantastic.

gaffney is definitely better than a four...hes a very good three or a solid two IF he has better wr's around in front of him

Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2006, 08:10:13 AM
Better than Wilbur and Gregory. Still need a Walker or Moulds. Having Gaffney as a #4 is fantastic.

what in the world makes you think he's a FOUR?

Meh.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 08:15:31 AM

Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2006, 08:10:13 AM
Better than Wilbur and Gregory. Still need a Walker or Moulds. Having Gaffney as a #4 is fantastic.

what in the world makes you think he's a FOUR?

He CHOSE Temple.

Found some info from when he was in the draft...

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/draft/drpros02.htm (http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/draft/drpros02.htm)

Donte Stallworth, Tennessee, 6-0, 197lbs, 4.35
Ashley Lelie, Hawaii, 6-3, 195lbs, 4.40
Jabar Gaffney, Florida, 6-1, 193lbs, 4.50(now 205 lbs.)
Josh Reed, LSU, 5-10, 210lbs, 4.50
Javon Walker, Florida State, 6-3, 210lbs, 4.40

Gaffney and (Josh) Reed are two players who play faster than their times. Gaffney is a very good athlete with excellent quickness. Very polished - reads coverages well and runs good routes. He probably will make the biggest impact as a receiver the soonest because of this. Has good hands, but he needs to be tougher going over the middle.

funny, but I also saw this:

Jeremy Shockey, Miami, 6-5, 255lbs, 4.65
Daniel Graham, Colorado, 6-3, 248lbs, 4.70
Matt Schobel, TCU, 6-5, 263lbs, 4.65
Doug Jolley, BYU, 6-4, 250lbs, 4.65

Schobel has fine size and speed and is another prospect who is a better receiver than blocker, but he does work at his blocking. Not quite the athlete that Shockey and (Daniel)Graham are, nonetheless he runs good routes, adjusts well, and can yardage after the catch.

http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/scoutingreports_wr.asp#WR%20Jabar%20Gaffney (http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/scoutingreports_wr.asp#WR%20Jabar%20Gaffney)

WR Jabar Gaffney
(6-1, 193, 4.55e) Florida

Notes: Son of former Florida and New York Jet WR Derrick Gaffney, who was known as a quiet, tireless, hard-working overachiever when he was the second fiddle to Wesley Walker in New York. The younger Gaffney is a third-year sophomore who was trained on how to play receiver by his father. However, as a freshman in '99, he was kicked off the team and lost his scholarship after he allegedly stole cash and a gold watch from a high school all-star game locker room. Returned without a scholarship in 2000 and was an instant sensation, despite being suspended for one half for taunting Tennessee. Won Freshman All-America honors and All-Southeastern Conference honors, catching 71 passes for 1,184 yards and 14 touchdowns. Was a consensus All-American and a Fred Biletnikoff Award finalist in '01, when he snagged 67-1,191-13.

Positives: Exceptional athlete with tremendous body control and balance. Has nice, soft hands and exceptional ball skills. Does a terrific job of adjusting to the ball. Very fluid and plays fast. Runs by people and makes big plays down the field. Can go up and snag the ball at its highest point. Is no boy scout, but he has matured a great deal and erased some of the character concerns surrounding him.

Negatives: Still immature and likes to call attention to himself with his antics. Does not have a great size-speed ratio. Can be a little inconsistent catching inside and has very small hands for a wide receiver. Does not like to do the dirty work like blocking and running out routes at full speed when he is not the primary receiver in the pattern. Team's offensive scheme tends to make receivers look better than they really are, and most of Steve Spurrier's college receivers (Ike Hilliard, Travis Taylor and Reidel Anthony are past first-rounders) do not return full value for where they are drafted.

Summary: Can be an excellent pro if he grows up and learns from his father about how a pro behaves.

and on last thing on Schobel from the same site:

TE Matt Schobel
(6-4 1/4, 263, 4.75) Texas Christian

Notes: Younger brother of the Bills' 2001 second-round pick from Texas Christian, DE Aaron Schobel. Went to Texas A&M as a quarterback in 1997 and redshirted. Had to sit out the '98 season after transferring to TCU, where his brother and cousin were. In '99, saw action at wide receiver, catching four passes for 26 yards, and was the team's holder. In 2000, was a backup, moved to tight end and caught 4-42. Injured his hamstring in August '01. Returned for the opener but re-injured his hamstring and missed Games 2-4. Came back and dislocated his shoulder Oct. 1. Returned to catch a career-best 19-310 and five touchdowns. Started at tight end, H-back and wide receiver.

Positives: Excellent size-speed ratio. Good-plus athlete. Catches the ball well and looks like a natural catcher. Can extend for the ball and snatch it with his hands. Has held for placements. Improving blocker. Gets into blocks quickly and can work his feet. Versatile. Can play H-back or tight end, fill in as a big wide receiver or fullback and throw the ball.

Negatives: Has not started or played that much. Has had some injury problems. Is more of a position and finesse type of blocker than a power blocker. Could be more physical at times.

Summary: Will have a bright future if he can continue to improve and avoid injury. May be a first-day pick if he works out well.

Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 16, 2006, 08:18:38 AM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 08:15:31 AM

Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2006, 08:10:13 AM
Better than Wilbur and Gregory. Still need a Walker or Moulds. Having Gaffney as a #4 is fantastic.

what in the world makes you think he's a FOUR?

He CHOSE Temple.

Point made.

Well done MMH.  :-D

i like this move & think gaffney could be the #2 this season...especially since i have doubts about pinkston coming back.
he has a chance to flourish now that he's out of that horrid texans' offense.

This is a very nice, solid signing. He got a one year deal to prove himself. That's fine with me. Let him prove he's worth a big payday.

He was in Houston, a situation where it is hard to succeed because of that OL and QB situation.

I like it. And I believe that IGY called it in the FA Tracker thread too. :yay

Brown
Gaffney
Pinky
rookie (Brandon Marshall?)
Lewis

Florida receivers = Penn State running backs.

Another genius move by the front office.

:boo

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 08:15:31 AM

Quote from: MDS on March 16, 2006, 08:10:13 AM
Better than Wilbur and Gregory. Still need a Walker or Moulds. Having Gaffney as a #4 is fantastic.

what in the world makes you think he's a FOUR?

if we get walker. then hes the four behind him, reggie and stinkston. gaffney is more like a 3, and thats why he would be a great 4.

We have NO idea what Pinkston is going to come back as with that injury. We have no idea how much Gaffney could flourish in an offense that can actually do something.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:25:05 AM
Florida receivers = Penn State running backs.

Another genius move by the front office.

:boo

Maybe he'll turn out to be the Larry Johnson of Florida WR's.  Hey, one of them has to pan out, right?

Now that's a salient point, PG. 

Although I still think Givens would have been a MUCH better option, I'll give Gaffney the benefit of the doubt even though UF receivers collectively suck ass as a rule.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:25:05 AM
Florida receivers = Penn State running backs.

Another genius move by the front office.

:boo

Again, basing this on WHAT? The fact that the offense in Houston was so well put together? Where could you possibly think he was a bust without seeing him on an actual TEAM. His first year in the NFL was the Texans FIRST SEASON in the NFL. We consistently made fun of that offensive line and the offense as a whole. Judging him on what he did there is hardly fair.

Here's the only thing I don't like about this move. They clearly counting on Brown to be their number one this year and that makes me nervous. What I see here is a situation where the team has three #2 WRs, two #4 WRs and Wilbur. Brown is probably better than Gaffney, but not by enough to make a huge difference. If the team adds a number 1 then this is a solid WR group from top to bottom. If not, it's just a mishmash of players, all of which are decent at something and none of which are good at everything.

i think romey is trying to say that they should sign curtis enis as their power back.

Quote from: hunt on March 16, 2006, 08:32:35 AM
i think romey is trying to say that they should sign curtis enis as their power back.

Oy...   :-D

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 08:32:12 AM
Here's the only thing I don't like about this move. They clearly counting on Brown to be their number one this year and that makes me nervous. What I see here is a situation where the team has three #2 WRs, two #4 WRs and Wilbur. Brown is probably better than Gaffney, but not by enough to make a huge difference. If the team adds a number 1 then this is a solid WR group from top to bottom. If not, it's just a mishmash of players, all of which are decent at something and none of which are good at everything.

Here is where I disagree. There are still other things that could happen and things they could have in the works. I won't start being nervous and freaking out until the season is ready to start and they say that Brown is the #1. There were no other WRs that were out there that were paid big bucks that would be any more of a #1. Yes, you can say Givens all you want, but all he has over Brown is experience....and Brown might have more experience at #1 than Givens has.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 08:32:12 AM
Here's the only thing I don't like about this move. They clearly counting on Brown to be their number one this year and that makes me nervous. What I see here is a situation where the team has three #2 WRs, two #4 WRs and Wilbur. Brown is probably better than Gaffney, but not by enough to make a huge difference. If the team adds a number 1 then this is a solid WR group from top to bottom. If not, it's just a mishmash of players, all of which are decent at something and none of which are good at everything.

True, but three # 2 WR's (if Pinkston is a 2) is better than the one #2 WR, and four #4 WR's we had.

I believe that Gaffney can be a 70 catch 800 yard WR in this offense.

That would be welcomed.

If Reggie turns out like I think he will (the next Chad Johnson) then we might just be alright.

What this does tell you, for those of you who like to read between the lines, is that they are not sold on Pinky recovering from the achilles and they are clearly planning for that in case he doesn't. And what Ed was told about my boy Wilbur seems to be true as well -- he's out of chances. Which I thought he was alright last year.

Maybe Darnerian can push Greg out the door too.

While I appreciate the coherent response, PG. If the team goes into the season with Brown as the number one, you will be the first one on this board to say that you trust the team's judgement and that Brown is going to be a stud.

While I hope that he blossoms this year, I think he is more likely to be a stud two years from now after learning from and playing with a true number one. This move improves the depth at WR and could work out nicely IF a)they sign someone to be the top receiver or b)Brown matures into a star ahead of schedule. I'm not holding my breath for either of those situations.

All Givens has over Brown is experience?  I think he has a little more than that, PG.

I think Reggie is going to be an excellent professional receiver but adding a guy like Givens would have been a better choice, IMO.  Not only does he have better stats than Gaffney, he also has a wealth of experience playing in big games including multiple Super Bowls.

Argue all you want about Brown versus Givens because I think Reggie has tremendous potential.  Arguing Givens versus Gaffney is silly, though.

QuoteIf Reggie turns out like I think he will (the next Chad Johnson) then we might just be alright.

Phreak, I love you man, but this is the most homerific thing I've ever read. Ever. Think about that. I mean that's impressive.

 :-D

Beat me to it, rjs...

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
All Givens has over Brown is experience?  I think he has a little more than that, PG.

I think Reggie is going to be an excellent professional receiver but adding a guy like Givens would have been a better choice, IMO.  Not only does he have better stats than Gaffney, he also has a wealth of experience playing in big games including multiple Super Bowls.

Argue all you want about Brown versus Givens because I think Reggie has tremendous potential.  Arguing Givens versus Gaffney is silly, though.

You clearly missed the point.


And Phreak, I said the exact same thing about what this means between the lines earlier in the thread.  :yay

The Pats won 3 Superbowls without a true #1.  I personally like our WRs as they stand right now and it could go either way.  The thing that I do like is that our WRs are young, which is a benefit but also has drawbacks.   Gaffney/Brown could be a very good pair.  I personally would love to see the Eagles make a deal for Walker and our WR corp would look VERY solid.  Without Walker, the WR corp could still be very productive since I see the Eagles going back to running the ball and spreading it around more this year.

Walker
Brown
Gaffney
G Lew
Pinky
McCants/McMullen

the problem is, we have extremes to compare against, in 2002 and 2003, the Eagles had an abismal crop of wide recievers, then, in 2004, they sign one of the best in the game and he immediately legitimizes their recievers.

so, they've had the worst and had one stud with some dudes, but they've never had just a group of 3-4 capable good recievers that Donovan can get the ball to. 

i think if they can accomplish that, and Gaffney certainly won't hurt, the offense will be very productive through the air*



*provided Donovan isn't dead by week 5

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 08:47:06 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
All Givens has over Brown is experience?  I think he has a little more than that, PG.

I think Reggie is going to be an excellent professional receiver but adding a guy like Givens would have been a better choice, IMO.  Not only does he have better stats than Gaffney, he also has a wealth of experience playing in big games including multiple Super Bowls.

Argue all you want about Brown versus Givens because I think Reggie has tremendous potential.  Arguing Givens versus Gaffney is silly, though.

And Phreak, I said the exact same thing about what this means between the lines earlier in the thread.  :yay

And I said it in the second post of the thread.   :P

Yup. :yay

chad johnson?  :-D

anyway, the eagles ARE going into this season with reggie brown as their #1 wr....they've been conditioning the fanbase for that scenario since midway through last season when aikman mentioned reid's comments about brown being a #1 during the gint's broadcast.

Im glad they atleast made some sort of effort to bring in another WR.   I dont like the one year deal nonsense.  If the Eagles had any real confidence in Jabar Gaffney they would have locked him up for longer.  And dont give me this "they just want to see if he is any good" nonsense.  They could have easily locked him up for a longer period of time without suffering anything other than a minimal cap hit if they wanted to release him.   

QuoteI personally would love to see the Eagles make a deal for Walker and our WR corp would look VERY solid.

I'd go a step further and say they'd have a shot at being the best 1-2-3-4-5 WR group in the league if Walker is healthy. And they'd be a really young group to boot. But relying on Brown to be a number one this year is wishful thinking and without a true number one its hard for a group of WRs to really flourish.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 08:44:08 AM

QuoteIf Reggie turns out like I think he will (the next Chad Johnson) then we might just be alright.

Phreak, I love you man, but this is the most homerific thing I've ever read. Ever. Think about that. I mean that's impressive.

Yeah Phreak... your my man, 100 grand... you did stretch that one a little bit.  :-D

Sure we all HOPE he's the next Chad... but nobody expects it.  ;)

What this means to me is that the Eagles are trying to sell us a bill of goods.

Again.


God, the front-office ass-kissing in this forum is intolerable even to me and I'm about as bad as it gets when being an apologist for those bastiches.

i must say, i'm shocked at Rome's stance on this move.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:53:48 AM
What this means to me is that the Eagles are trying to sell us a bill of goods.

Again.


God, the front-office ass-kissing in this forum is intolerable even to me and I'm about as bad as it gets when being an apologist for those bastiches.

:-D :-D :-D 

SHOCKED, he says!

It's a lateral move at best, Mo.

Givens would have been a huge upgrade over anyone on the roster except Reggie.

If the Eagles get Walker, then I'll be more than happy to retract what I said, but arguing that Gaffney is a better choice than Givens is homertastic to the extreme.

alright, calm down

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:56:21 AM
It's a lateral move at best, Mo.

Givens would have been a huge upgrade over anyone on the roster except Reggie.

If the Eagles get Walker, then I'll be more than happy to retract what I said, but arguing that Gaffney is a better choice than Givens is homertastic to the extreme.

Holy crap...talk about twisting around what I said. I think you need to go back and reread my post, psycho boy.  ::)

Quotehomertastic to the extreme

Like, gag me with a spoon.

but i don't think that they would've been signed for the same spot.  i think Gaffney is the #3 WR and Givens would've been the #2.

with Gaffney, i can see them using Brown and Pinkston (IF healthy) in 2 wideout sets, and then moving Brown to the slot and Gaffney out wide when they use 3 wide-out sets.

any idea what we are paying (Kareen Abdul) Jabar Gaffney for this one year?  knowing the Eagles FO, it's gotta be a bargain....however, you-know-who is his agent >:D

I still want Walker..or Moulds

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 08:57:07 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:56:21 AM
It's a lateral move at best, Mo.

Givens would have been a huge upgrade over anyone on the roster except Reggie.

If the Eagles get Walker, then I'll be more than happy to retract what I said, but arguing that Gaffney is a better choice than Givens is homertastic to the extreme.

Holy crap...talk about twisting around what I said. I think you need to go back and reread my post, psycho boy.  ::)

No, I understood it perfectly.  I simply disagreed with you.  We're still allowed to disagree with one another in this forum, right princess?

im confused as to what exactly there is to read in between the lines as far as pinky...is it a secret that he had an achilles blowout last year?....a wr isnt coming back 100% from that and is going to have a high chance of reinjury


reggie brown will never be a number 1 wr in this league much less chad johnson...i love reggie and hes gonna be damn good but he doesnt have the tools to be a one...hes more of a route runner than a take it to house gamebreaker...hes not chad johnson hes a poor mans marvin harrison

i'm pretty sure most of us still want walker or moulds....but personally, i don't want to see mcmullen, g-lew, or even pinkston on the field much (if at all)...and signing gaffney makes that more likely.  same goes for the mccants signing.

Explain to me why expecting Reggie to turn into a Chad Johnson or Chris Chambers type WR is so homertastic?

I honestly believe that.

Reggie Brown put up numbers with Mike McMahon at QB. He really didn't play until TO was gone. He started the WAS game with McNabb and him and Donny had some nice hookups. But the guy put up nice numbers for a rookie, especially on this team where rookies go to die, and Mike f'ing McMahon was his QB most of the time. Think about that.

So is it a reach? I don't think so.

I truly believe that Reggie Brown is going to be a stud.

Quote from: hunt on March 16, 2006, 09:05:02 AM
i'm pretty sure most of us still want walker or moulds....but personally, i don't want to see mcmullen, g-lew, or even pinkston on the field much (if at all)...and signing gaffney makes that more likely.  same goes for the mccants signing.

Ding ding ding.

(except for the Lewis thing....I think as a #3-#4, he's solid, as we saw in 2004)

with the injury walker is very iffy to me as far as 06 goes...

id love to get him but it would be for him to be your number 1 guy in 07 and beyond

moulds for huge money this and next year....walker incentive laden contract that can make him a very rich man in two three years

Phreak, Chad Johnson is one of the top three WRs in the league. Reggie Brown is not.

I want Moulds for 2 years.....help the younger guys. Perfect fit.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 09:09:00 AM
Phreak, Chad Johnson is one of the top three WRs in the league. Reggie Brown is not.

Yet.

I see similarities in their game. I never said Reggie was Chad now. I said he CAN be a Chad Johnson type guy. And I fully belieeeeee dat.

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 09:08:10 AM
with the injury walker is very iffy to me as far as 06 goes...

id love to get him but it would be for him to be your number 1 guy in 07 and beyond

moulds for huge money this and next year....walker incentive laden contract that can make him a very rich man in two three years

One thing to remember about Walker is that he blew that knee out in the first week or two of the season.  Recovery time on those things are right about in the area of a year and already at this point, it's been about 6-7 months since the injury.  By the time the season rolls around, he should be pretty damn close to... if not fully recovered.  If he indeed comes all the way back, which recent history suggests he will... it should be by the start of the season.

Rome, c'mon now.  Givens numbers were better than Gaffney's on the team that won the SB 3 out of the last 5 years.  They have a good OL and an experienced QB.  You think Gaffney would have better numbers on NE?  Hell, Greggie probably would.  Let's see what happens before we claim the sky's fallen.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2006, 09:10:17 AM


I see similarities in their game. I never said Reggie was Chad now. I said he CAN be a Chad Johnson type guy. And I fully belieeeeee dat.

there's only 6 'e's' in belieeeee

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2006, 09:10:17 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 09:09:00 AM
Phreak, Chad Johnson is one of the top three WRs in the league. Reggie Brown is not.

Yet.

I see similarities in their game. I never said Reggie was Chad now. I said he CAN be a Chad Johnson type guy. And I fully belieeeeee dat.

I think Reggie's great and all but Chad Johnson is a special, special player, Phreak.

We'll see.

BTW: Belieeeeee dat?   Nice.   :-D

they said his tear was 6-12 months for full recovery...and thats just to get back on the field physically...that doesnt include psychological and timing issues...i wouldnt count on him for the first half of this season...after that he may come into his old own but its a dice roll


Reggie Brown put up numbers with Mike McMahon at QB

brandon lloyd put up better numbers with alex smith ken dorsey tim rattay and cody pickett on a horrid team...is he the next terrell owens?...

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:25:05 AM
Florida receivers = Penn State running backs.

overreact much?

Reche Caldwell
Darrell Jackson
Ike Hilliard

while it's not a top notch pedigree...discounting florida wr's because they are florida wr's is a little presumptuous.

Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 16, 2006, 09:13:49 AM
Rome, c'mon now.  Givens numbers were better than Gaffney's on the team that won the SB 3 out of the last 5 years.  They have a good OL and an experienced QB.  You think Gaffney would have better numbers on NE?  Hell, Greggie probably would.  Let's see what happens before we claim the sky's fallen.

I don't know what Gaffney would have done on New England.  No one does.  I know what he did in Houston and I know what Givens did in New England.  That's what I was basing my commentary on.

Givens would have been a better option for the Eagles than Gaffney.  He would not, however, be a better option than Moulds or even Javon Walker.

How's that?

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 09:16:46 AM
they said his tear was 6-12 months for full recovery...and thats just to get back on the field physically...that doesnt include psychological and timing issues...i wouldnt count on him for the first half of this season...after that he may come into his old own but its a dice roll


Reggie Brown put up numbers with Mike McMahon at QB

brandon lloyd put up better numbers with alex smith ken dorsey tim rattay and cody pickett on a horrid team...is he the next terrell owens?...

No. But I honestly think that Reggie Brown is going to be a stud. I could be wrong. But we've all seen WRs come and go in this town who were honest to god crap. And Reggie, just the way he plays and his attitude says a lot to me. Its a feeling that I have and if I'm wrong, I'll admit it.

But I think he will be a stud. I think he has 85+ catches this year.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 09:15:31 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2006, 09:10:17 AM

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 09:09:00 AM
Phreak, Chad Johnson is one of the top three WRs in the league. Reggie Brown is not.

Yet.

I see similarities in their game. I never said Reggie was Chad now. I said he CAN be a Chad Johnson type guy. And I fully belieeeeee dat.

I think Reggie's great and all but Chad Johnson is a special, special player, Phreak.

We'll see.

BTW: Belieeeeee dat?   Nice.   :-D

chad johnson sure looked like he picked up his team with his special special play during the playoffs last year.

Quote from: Wingspan on March 16, 2006, 09:16:56 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:25:05 AM
Florida receivers = Penn State running backs.

overreact much?

Reche Caldwell
Darrell Jackson
Ike Hilliard

while it's not a top notch pedigree...discounting florida wr's because they are florida wr's is a little presumptuous.

:-D

Yeah, they're great.  What was I thinking anyway?

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 09:15:23 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2006, 09:10:17 AM


I see similarities in their game. I never said Reggie was Chad now. I said he CAN be a Chad Johnson type guy. And I fully belieeeeee dat.

there's only 6 'e's' in belieeeee

Sorry. :-[

Romey,

I know CJ is special. And I see Reggie as being one of those players too.

Phreak = Reggie Brown's pimp.

Quote from: Wingspan on March 16, 2006, 09:20:48 AM
chad johnson sure looked like he picked up his team with his special special play during the playoffs last year.

So now you're saying that Chad Johnson isn't a special player?

Have I inadvertently stumbled into bizarro CF this morning by mistake??

:-D :-D

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 09:16:46 AM
brandon lloyd put up better numbers with alex smith ken dorsey tim rattay and cody pickett on a horrid team...is he the next terrell owens?...

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um....nope

Holy crap Wingspan, that is farging hilarious.

For every Skins fan who makes fun of Pinkston....they need to watch that 100 times.

it's petty obvious that Lloyd thought the ball was being thrown to someone behind him

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 09:21:24 AM

Quote from: Wingspan on March 16, 2006, 09:16:56 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:25:05 AM
Florida receivers = Penn State running backs.

overreact much?

Reche Caldwell
Darrell Jackson
Ike Hilliard

while it's not a top notch pedigree...discounting florida wr's because they are florida wr's is a little presumptuous.

:-D

Yeah, they're great.  What was I thinking anyway?

Right, because we're all saying Gaffney is going to be "great".  ::)

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 09:23:17 AM

Quote from: Wingspan on March 16, 2006, 09:20:48 AM
chad johnson sure looked like he picked up his team with his special special play during the playoffs last year.

So now you're saying that Chad Johnson isn't a special player?

Have I inadvertently stumbled into bizarro CF this morning by mistake??

:-D :-D

i love the way things are taken and twisted into a whole new context. i never said any such thing. dont put words on my keyboard for me.

i never said that. but like terrell owens...his attitude will get in the way of any success his talents can bring him.
my example stays the same, see his actions during the playoffs. he's talented, and very good...but he's a farging moron, like owens, that is nothing but an attention whore to the point where he will sacrifice the team in order to make himself look better. 

Okay, so... disagreement is no longer allowed here nor is overt sarcasm?

I see.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 09:21:24 AM

Quote from: Wingspan on March 16, 2006, 09:16:56 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:25:05 AM
Florida receivers = Penn State running backs.

overreact much?

Reche Caldwell
Darrell Jackson
Ike Hilliard

while it's not a top notch pedigree...discounting florida wr's because they are florida wr's is a little presumptuous.

:-D

Yeah, they're great.  What was I thinking anyway?

there you go again...did you even read my whole post? i am guessing you did not.

You used the word "special" twice in an obviously derogatory way with respect to Chad Johnson.

What did I misunderstand about that, Wingspan?

it's petty obvious that Lloyd thought the ball was being thrown to someone behind him

beat me

its amazing how people will stretch things to fit their agenda

McNabb

Westbrook
Moats
(rookie/vet)

Tapeh

Brown
Gaffney
Pinkston
McCants
(rookie) or Lewis

Smith
Schobel

Not too shabby, IMO. Not great, but certainly better than the pre-TO days, IMO. They can win with this.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 08:51:46 AM

QuoteI personally would love to see the Eagles make a deal for Walker and our WR corp would look VERY solid.

I'd go a step further and say they'd have a shot at being the best 1-2-3-4-5 WR group in the league if Walker is healthy. And they'd be a really young group to boot. But relying on Brown to be a number one this year is wishful thinking and without a true number one its hard for a group of WRs to really flourish.

Rjs, truly impressed you went above and beyond the infamous "one line" commentary. I also agree with you on the Walker point in a big way....need a legit #1 for the trickle down effect. Could care less about the #4 and #5 though...they catch a ball 1 out of 50 attempts (figuratively speaking). Need a dependable 3-pack of recievers, not superstars but ones that can catch McNabbs' worm burners on the ground.

Gaffney is Pinkstons back-up vertical threat at best. Same type of reciever. He was the long ball boy in Houston--when Carr was able to throw.

phreak....alone on paper thats an 8-8 offense at best with the offensive line they have

coupled with a dominant d it would be enough to win...but the eagles dont have that

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 09:31:16 AM
You used the word "special" twice in an obviously derogatory way with respect to Chad Johnson.

What did I misunderstand about that, Wingspan?

that i didnt mean he i think he stinks....but his ego is too big for his helmet, and that takes away from him.

rookie/vet = Reno. :boom

Jabar Gaffney has a career passer rating of 99.2.  omfg we have our own Randle El.  lolollolololololololollololo

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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 09:38:55 AM
phreak....alone on paper thats an 8-8 offense at best with the offensive line they have

coupled with a dominant d it would be enough to win...but the eagles dont have that

Well, we obviously disagree. No point in really going too deep into debate because neither of us is right about it or wrong about it yet.

They can put up points. So we'll have to see what goes down and if they stay healthy. But I like it. Could it be better? Damn right. But it isn't totally zesty.

We sure know how to make the most of these mediocre signings on :CF.  To all of you... well done.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2006, 09:40:50 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 09:38:55 AM
phreak....alone on paper thats an 8-8 offense at best with the offensive line they have

coupled with a dominant d it would be enough to win...but the eagles dont have that

Well, we obviously disagree. No point in really going too deep into debate because neither of us is right about it or wrong about it yet.

They can put up points. So we'll have to see what goes down and if they stay healthy. But I like it. Could it be better? Damn right. But it isn't totally zesty.

what da F... But it isn't totally zesty   I never expected to hear that word from you. :P

dis, zesty is a filter word.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 09:51:49 AM
dis, zesty is a filter word.

"zesty" is what my italian salad dressing is

yes, I know...but its not what Phreak actually posted. The board filtered it.

Quote from: Wingspan on March 16, 2006, 09:40:13 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 09:31:16 AM
You used the word "special" twice in an obviously derogatory way with respect to Chad Johnson.

What did I misunderstand about that, Wingspan?

that i didnt mean he i think he stinks....but his ego is too big for his helmet, and that takes away from him.

Shy, retiring types don't usually make it in professional sports.

I personally prefer guys like Marvin Harrison but raging egomaniacs like Chad Johnson seem to excel at the WR position in the NFL for whatever reason.

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 16, 2006, 09:45:57 AM
We sure know how to make the most of these mediocre signings on :CF.  To all of you... well done.

We got 20-25 pages over a guy who apparently WASN'T at the Nova Care Center... we're just getting started here, pahtna.

In all my excitement about Jabar Gaffney I initially missed that his agent is Rosenhaus.  ha.

eh just more camp fodder. but hey you never know could be the next Steve Smith or Jimmy Smith, and just take a few years.

Spadaro confirmed on his board that the Eagles and Gaffney have "agreed on terms" but that he is currently out of the country and will not actually sign the deal until he returns.

WTF, mate?  Runyan, Gaffney... why do free agents leave the farging country during the first week of free agency?

If I were a millionaire I'd leave the country too. Just to be further away from all of you. Freaks.

Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 16, 2006, 10:01:52 AM
eh just more camp fodder. but hey you never know could be the next Steve Smith or Jimmy Smith, and just take a few years.

camp fodder?

wtf are you talking about?

I find it amazing that Rosenhaus still has a client base after the T.O. and Walker fiascos.

Because it's farging cold in March.

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 16, 2006, 10:01:54 AM
Spadaro confirmed on his board that the Eagles and Gaffney have "agreed on terms" but that he is currently out of the country and will not actually sign the deal until he returns.

WTF, mate?  Runyan, Gaffney... why do free agents leave the farging country during the first week of free agency?

St. Patrick's Day in Ireland?  Count me in.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 10:03:01 AM
If I were a millionaire I'd leave the country too. Just to be further away from all of you. Freaks.

this place is the same whether you're in a hotel in Paris or in your shelter in Boston

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 10:03:01 AM
If I were a millionaire I'd leave the country too. Just to be further away from all of you. Freaks.

Lies! All lies!

You know damn well you'd be holed up in some internet cafe in some country posting on CF.

Lies.

I'm not buying rjs's story.  He'd still be here posting if he was a gazillionaire with naked broads feeding him bacon and pouring Sambuca GUINNESS! down his gullet.

Fixed. 

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 08:31:39 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 08:25:05 AM
Florida receivers = Penn State running backs.

Another genius move by the front office.

:boo

Again, basing this on WHAT? The fact that the offense in Houston was so well put together? Where could you possibly think he was a bust without seeing him on an actual TEAM. His first year in the NFL was the Texans FIRST SEASON in the NFL. We consistently made fun of that offensive line and the offense as a whole. Judging him on what he did there is hardly fair.

yeah wasnt David Carr on his back every 2.5 seconds. the guy was sacked like 1 out of 2 offensive plays

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 10:06:17 AM
I'm not buying rjs's story.  He'd still be here posting if he was a gazillionaire with naked broads feeding him bacon and pouring Sambuca down his gullet.

That's ridiculous.


Sambvca sucks.  He'd have them pouring something much better than Sambvca.

Sambuca blows. Bacon and Guinness, please.

Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 16, 2006, 06:33:27 AM
I like Gaffney. I think he can be a decent number two. Has Pinky's ability, minus the inclination to be such a Hoyda. The Texans also used him to return kicks.

agreed.  i like this move, i don't think it's the answer, but a definite improvement.

In all of the other nonsense I hadn't mentioned how much I love that Gaffney has return experience. I honestly think that may be the best part of this signing.

His return experience is about as awesome as his quarterbacking experience.

That would be about a million times better than the return experience of every non-westbrook member of the 2005 Eagles.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 10:11:14 AM
In all of the other nonsense I hadn't mentioned how much I love that Gaffney has return experience. I honestly think that may be the best part of this signing.

I know he wasn't the punt returner on his college team.

Lito!

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 10:18:21 AM
That would be about a million times better than the return experience of every non-westbrook member of the 2005 Eagles.

whatever MR I hate the leading punt returner in the NFL.   Eating at Chickie and Petes will be quite the adventure for you sir.

Death to Mahe!

there is some great comedy in this thread, as romey put it, a bizarro- :CF

i'm ok with this deal as long as they don't believe this is going to solve their problems.  as hunt pointed out, it does make me feel better that some "other" guys may not make the roster due to these signings, i'm happy about that, but i'd still like to see another receiver come in.  if it doesn't happen, i won't get depressed, but i'd like to see it happen.

If the only reason this makes you happy is because MushMouth won't make the roster come September, it's pretty somber indeed.

i didn't get a chub over the deal, but there was no shrinkage either.  take it for what it's worth

I'm on board with the deal, as a minor deal.  Gaffney is better than some of the stiffs we lined up last year.  Can't hurt to get him in to compete.  It's not like he signed a monster contract.  If it works out, great.  If not, no biggie.

I like this move  and I agree with a lot of the comments here!

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(http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/10/17/hawks1016catch_200.jpg)

According to those pics, he's capable of catching with his hands.  That's a good start.

Officially announced on PE.com (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=45839)

What the hell is with #44 in the top photo?

He looks like Jim Carrey in "The Mask."

:-D

mouthpeezy dog


i love you and you and YOU!!

Quote from: Zanshin on March 16, 2006, 10:57:14 AM
I'm on board with the deal, as a minor deal.  Gaffney is better than some of the stiffs we lined up last year.  Can't hurt to get him in to compete.  It's not like he signed a monster contract.  If it works out, great.  If not, no biggie.

...and the reason we didn't sign him to more than 1-year (since he "has so much upside potential") is?????

looks like after McCants and Gaffney deals are up after this season, we start looking for WR (or 2) shtein all over again.   

I'm sure most of you are thinking the same thing, but this is what will almost certainly happen.
1. The team will draft a rookie WR early, probably 2nd round.
2. The team will go to camp with Brown, Gaffney, Rookie, Lewis, Pinkston, McCants and McMullen.
3. 1 or 2 of those last 4 guys not make the team.
4. Brown and Gaffney will start.
5. After the season if the rookie does well, Gaffney will be released and the Rookie will be expected to take his place on the team. If he doesn't do well, Gaffney MIGHT be resigned but the rookie will still be touted as the future of the receiving corps.

I don't see them releasing Gaffney during the season. No real reason to.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 11:42:11 AM
I'm sure most of you are thinking the same thing, but this is what will almost certainly happen.
1. The team will draft a rookie WR early, probably 2nd round.
2. The team will go to camp with Brown, Gaffney, Rookie, Lewis, Pinkston, McCants and McMullen.
3. 1 or 2 of those last 4 guys not make the team.
4. Brown and Gaffney will start.
5. After the season if the rookie does well, Gaffney will be released and the Rookie will be expected to take his place on the team. If he doesn't do well, Gaffney MIGHT be resigned but the rookie will still be touted as the future of the receiving corps.

thanks Andy (Reid).  amazingly too well thought out.

Quote from: dis12 on March 16, 2006, 11:49:21 AM


thanks Andy (Reid)

i'm glad you added that, up until that first parenthese, i had no idea who you were talking about

I'm just saying that there is little to no chance that the Eagles have Gaffney in their longterm plans.

The important question is what number will he wear?  Reggie Brown already has 86!  Will he go with 84?  85?  Possibly, he will take one of the new trendy numbers in the teens like 16?  I need to know!

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 11:54:47 AM
I'm just saying that there is little to no chance that the Eagles have Gaffney in their longterm plans.

Thanks. I was confused by the one year deal.

Yuk it up, funny man.

Gaffney = McCants

No big deal. this is just an insurance sign. we'll see what he can do come training camp.  other than that its not worth talking about. 

Quote from: General_Failure on March 16, 2006, 11:55:48 AM

Thanks. I was confused by the one year deal.

well, the way I understand it, is that he is the Eagles property for one year.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 12:06:25 PM

Quote from: General_Failure on March 16, 2006, 11:55:48 AM

Thanks. I was confused by the one year deal.

well, the way I understand it, is that he is the Eagles property for one year.

Hmm ... no. I can't say I agree with this slavery business. I'll go pack my carpetbag and see what I can do.

Quote from: mussa on March 16, 2006, 12:06:22 PM
Gaffney = McCants

Um, no.

Quote from: mussa on March 16, 2006, 12:06:22 PM
Gaffney = McCants

No big deal. this is just an insurance sign. we'll see what he can do come training camp.  other than that its not worth talking about. 

not even close. what on earth makes you think that?

im not talking about talent douche.  im talking about contract signing and performance in camp.  mccants not playing last year was a bit of a shock to me.  maybe he just sucks.  i wouldn't be surprised if jabar sits as we watch wilbur drop passes and pinky puss out all year.  he was a starter on the Texans, prob the worst offense consistently in past some years.  im not impressed at all, how many number 2 and 3 receivers do we need?

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Quote from: mussa on March 16, 2006, 12:12:33 PM
im not talking about talent douche.  im talking about contract signing and performance in camp.  mccants not playing last year was a bit of a shock to me.  maybe he just sucks.  i wouldn't be surprised if jabar sits as we watch wilbur drop passes and pinky puss out all year.  he was a starter on the Texans, prob the worst offense consistently in past some years.  im not impressed at all, how many number 2 and 3 receivers do we need?

1. Gaffney will not sit while Pinkston and McMullen play. That's retarded to say the least.

2. You just contradicted yourself. Gaffney was a starter on a team that couldn't even get the ball in the air because the QB was on his ASS every other snap. How can you be impressed with the WORST offense in football? That's hardly GAFFNEY's fault. Everyone and their grandmother knows that David Carr would be a better QB had the Texans spent a dime on an oline.

Quote from: mussa on March 16, 2006, 12:12:33 PM
im not talking about talent douche.  im talking about contract signing and performance in camp.  mccants not playing last year was a bit of a shock to me.  maybe he just sucks.  i wouldn't be surprised if jabar sits as we watch wilbur drop passes and pinky puss out all year.  he was a starter on the Texans, prob the worst offense consistently in past some years.  im not impressed at all, how many number 2 and 3 receivers do we need?

You effortlessly move between making no sense at all and making some half-OK points.  Hard to navigate.

Gaffney's raw talent level is right there in between Reggie Brown and Todd Pinkston.  All three were drafted in the first few picks of the 2nd round of their respective drafts.  McCants has never sniffed that kind of general capability.  He's a bigger target and a red zone possibility, but he's not an every down option.  Gaffney is, because he's much more athletic and has very good hands.  He's produced at an averagish level on a well below average offense.  The kid makes our depth chart better, and might even surprise you.

You don't have to knee-jerk reaction like a retard every time the Eagles sign someone you don't know anything about.

This deal doesn't bother me one bit.  There's no risk involved.  That said, I wish the Eagles would just ship off a 7th to Buffalo for the rights to Moulds and get it over with.

I like this move. Very solid signing.

I think Gaffney could actually be a better WR than Randle El, but Randel El was such a hot commodity because he has so many intangibles and can be put in various places.

Moreover, I think Randle El benefited from a great run game and playing opposite of Hines Ward. Gaffney put up decent numbers and is sure-handed. His YPC are weak but you also have to consider that Carr had no time to throw so he probably ran a lot of underneath routes.

I'm excited to see what Gaffney can do, especially considering it's a one year deal and he'll have to prove himself to secure a big payday in 2007.

:yay :yay

Quote from: Zanshin on March 16, 2006, 12:18:31 PM
This deal doesn't bother me one bit.  There's no risk involved.  That said, I wish the Eagles would just ship off a 7th to Buffalo for the rights to Moulds and get it over with.

Buffalo has to be willing, Zanshin. And so far, they are not....so we have to wait and see what happens.

They're just holding out to see what they can get.  That's about it.

what i don't get is if Moulds won't take a pay cut, and the Bills won't accept his cap number, why are they taking so long to cut him?  they just want to screw him?

Nah, he'll be trade bait through the draft with the convenient side benefit of screwing him.

Pasquerfatty seems to like the move. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2370849)

Well jesus FF, you can take Jabar's dick out of your mouth already. 

Im not fargin impressed. Its nice to have 10 number 2 and 3's on the team, but its not getting us anywhere if we have a pass happy offense.  We need a game-breaker at WR.  Our team isn't getting any younger.

and where exactly is that game breaking WR you speak of?

Givens? Hardly

Randle El? Not even close

...............................

When you're mentally overmatched, the best bet is to make a gay joke.  Good job, sir.

QuoteWhen you're mentall overmatched, the best bet is to make a gay joke.

And finally, I have a disciple...

God help us all.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 12:40:12 PM

QuoteWhen you're mentall overmatched, the best bet is to make a gay joke.

And finally, I have a disciple...

what is thy bidding my master

If I could have typed "mentally" correctly the first time, it might have been a tad more effective.

That said, the Gaffney signing is a solid move.  He's a good NFL-caliber receiver with zero injury history, and he has the upside to become more than that.  Would you rather the Eagles just stuck with McMullen, Pinkston, and Lewis?

good move....no complaints...but easy on the upside...he has none

Hey, Owens is still out there...and he's a gamebreaking WR.   Get Owens.

i never questioned his physical ability.  i just questioned his mentall ability to grasp the eagles system.  how any successful receivers have we had since the donovan/reid era. 

Quote from: mussa on March 16, 2006, 12:59:54 PM
i never questioned his physical ability.  i just questioned his mentall ability to grasp the eagles system.  how any successful receivers have we had since the donovan/reid era. 

How in the hell would you know what his mental capacity is like, and even so, what kind of judge are you of that?

wasn't Superrier's offense at Florida somewhat complex?

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 01:17:31 PM
wasn't Superrier's offense at Florida somewhat complex?

"Go deep!"

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 01:17:31 PM
wasn't Superrier's offense at Florida somewhat complex?

The Run and Gun always seemed similar to the spread offense (Purdue) to me.  Therefore not that complicated.  But I have never watched many Florida football games.

Um, dude, it was the 'FUN and Gun.' Get it right.

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 12:45:54 PM
but easy on the upside...he has none

I feel queasy whenever I find myself in agreement with the Igster... 

That's a good queasy.

Trade for Moulds or Walker and Gaffney will be firmly entrenched at #3.

I'd have zero problem with that.

Gaffney as the strong #3 would be outstanding. His signing pretty much precludes the team from going after Moulds or Walker, though. book it.

sometimes you gotta feel bad to get better

Gaffney at 3 would only happen if we get someone else, Brown doesn't slump, and Reid doesn't pretend that Pinky can still play.

I don't know about him having no upside. Gaffney is only 25 and could use a nice change of scenery to get him back on track. The same with Carr. I think Carr can be an excellent NFL QB if he just got out of Houston and started anew with another franchise.

I like that he's sure handed, has good quickness, and gets physical and fights for the ball in deep routes. He could be a prototypical #2 WR or be very effective in the slot.

The Eagles made this move because they know that Pinkston's future is in jeopardy, considering that an achilles tear could seriously hinder his deep threat capabilities.

Brown
Gaffney
Lewis? or Draft Pick?

Yeah, they will be young, but I can't say I'm too alarmed by the WR corps if that is what we have opening day, assuming that Gaffney has something to prove and has a great mini camp and training camp.

I'm just a serious Pinkston doubter. I think his career could be over, especially if Gaffney shows the Eagles that Pinkston is expendable in his #2 role. Essentially, Pinkston is either the #2 this upcoming season or he's out of a job, because there is no way in hell he will line up in the slot and go over the middle with consistency.

Brown
Gaffney
Lewis? or Draft Pick?

Yeah, they will be young, but I can't say I'm too alarmed by the WR corps if that is what we have opening day


wow...youre a better man than me

you do know that would be a second year guy whos never been a two much less a one in this league....a guy whos never been in the system before and is at best a two...and a piece of shtein who should be in the cfl

If Pinkston does get back to form, he would be an outside guy in 3 WR sets, but Gaffney would probably see more overall snaps and line up in the slot.

Exactly... too many people automatically think the #3 WR means the slot.  Even though the WR's move around to get different looks, Pinky will NEVER see the slot.

Three scenarios:


Moulds
Brown
Gaffney

Walker
Brown
Gaffney

Brown
Gaffney
Pinky/Lewis/McCants/Wilbur/Whoever


That's what I want in order of importance.

I would go to battle with that WR corps, but that's also taking into account that there is practically nobody left out there to pick up in FA and the chances of a rookie coming here and making significant contributions are practically nill.

I think Gaffney could be more effective than Pinkston, considering that Gaffney has been whistle clean as far as an injury track record is concerned. I like one year deals for young players because they can usually seize the opportunity and hold nothing back because they want a big payday and still have a ton of playing years ahead of them.

I would have prefered the Eagles picking up Givens, because I think a Brown/Givens combo could have been a sweet one/two punch, plus I think Givens would have fit this system and the mentality of this team. But I'll take Gaffney, he could be a diamond in the rough.

With a weak WR class I think this is a solid pickup for the Eagles. I would still love to get Moulds but I think he is most likely trade bait on draft day for the Bills to acquire more picks and get younger.

Here is also hoping that the Eagles have Moulds in their sights. He would be an instant contributor and be a good mentor for Reggie Brown.

Moulds
Brown
Gaffney

Now that would be something that should put a smile on everyone's face.

I cant wait until the Eagles draft Maurice Stovall and everyone pretends the WR's are just so awesome.

Quote from: Eaglez on March 16, 2006, 01:52:50 PM
I think Gaffney could be more effective than Pinkston, considering that Gaffney has been whistle clean as far as an injury track record is concerned.

So much for his season.

I'm thinking Brandon Marshall from UCF, actually, MURP.

Quote from: EagleFeva on March 16, 2006, 01:49:45 PM
Exactly... too many people automatically think the #3 WR means the slot.  Even though the WR's move around to get different looks, Pinky will NEVER see the slot.

Yeah, you're right Feva, but what I'm saying is that if Gaffney shows he can play the outside, and is more effective than Pinky, and Lewis fits back into his niche in the slot, then Pinky is expendable and is most likely gone. I know he will never play the slot, but if Gaffney is solid on the outside then there is no need for Pinkston.

And, looking at the scouting report it seems like Gaffney likes to be physical on the outside, but turns into a wussy on crossing patterns. So, it seems like his natural role would be a #2 guy going down the sideline on deep routes. Most likely Reid and Co. brought in Gaffney to challenge Pinky for his job.

Moulds
Brown
Gaffney

Now that would be something that should put a smile on everyone's face.


even mine

Quote from: MURP on March 16, 2006, 01:53:07 PM
I cant wait until the Eagles draft <insert anyone here> and everyone pretends the WR's are just so awesome.

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to that, really.

No one wants the sponsorship of Jabar Gaffney?


I'm going to stick with Mikey P.

I'd take Jabar, considering that I've been talking him up.

Rather have him than one hit wonder Ware.

I still have Considine, who is on to big things. BIG THINGS!






bitches.  :paranoid

Quote from: Eaglez on March 16, 2006, 02:00:34 PM
I'd take Jabar, considering that I've been talking him up.

Rather have him than one hit wonder Ware.

(http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Jabar-spc-Gaffney,white,black.png)

There you go!

I already claimed sponsorship of Darren Howard and I'm prepared to pimpslap anyone who tries to take him from me.

:-D

Quote from: MURP on March 16, 2006, 01:53:07 PM
I cant wait until the Eagles draft Maurice Stovall and everyone pretends the WR's are just so awesome.

The WR's ARE awesome.

My point is FF, 90% of the receivers we've gotten, via free agency or draft have struggled to succed or be of any impact for us.  The only one that succeded was TO and R. Brown seems to be capable of being an effective WR.  Thrash, Pinky, Mitchell, Wilbur, McCants, Glewis, etc.. they all have been sub-par and pretty much inconsistent. 

Its going to be interesting to see how he does. 

i called LeCharles Bently last week, so whenever they sign him....you know, i um, got'em.

it's weird it's taking this long, but apparantly he IS at the NovaCare complex as we speak, so that's got to be a good sign.

What, did we brick him into a closet like in The Cask of Amontillado?

Spewdaro:

QuoteThe Eagles think Gaffney will blossom in this passing offense

Reid:

Quote
"Jabar has good hands and is a precise route runner," said head coach Andy Reid. "He has the ability to line up in the slot. We're excited to add him to the mix at the wide receiver position."

I ask again, why the 1 year deal?

i think this is the type of thing where if he performs to what they think he can, they would extend him in the middle of the year, but if he flops and can't do what they thought, they aren't tied to him for more than this season.  i think he's unknown to some extent due to the slop he was playing with.

Quote from: MURP on March 16, 2006, 02:41:44 PM

Spewdaro:

QuoteThe Eagles think Gaffney will blossom in this passing offense

Reid:

Quote
"Jabar has good hands and is a precise route runner," said head coach Andy Reid. "He has the ability to line up in the slot. We're excited to add him to the mix at the wide receiver position."

I ask again, why the 1 year deal?

Strange, they can't be too confident on him.  Maybe they want to wait to see how he does in camp pre-season before offering him anymore. 

This is it as far as WRs are concerned. I fully expect us to draft a WR on day 1 (Stovall). Guess I'll have to live with 2 #2's and 2 #3's in a spread the wealth offense.

I'm still holding out hope we add another upgrade at receiver.

Moulds/Walker, Brown, Gaffney is a very nice receicing corps. Moulds is more realistic than Walker, but I'd obviously much rather have Walker. Not only would it be a really nice receiving corps, but they'd be very young too.

We're excited to add him to the mix

great

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 02:45:26 PM
i think this is the type of thing where if he performs to what they think he can, they would extend him in the middle of the year, but if he flops and can't do what they thought, they aren't tied to him for more than this season.  i think he's unknown to some extent due to the slop he was playing with.

Pretty much. Couldnt have said it better.

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 02:45:26 PM
i think this is the type of thing where if he performs to what they think he can, they would extend him in the middle of the year, but if he flops and can't do what they thought, they aren't tied to him for more than this season.  i think he's unknown to some extent due to the slop he was playing with.

that would make more sense if Reid didnt run the most complicated WR scheme in the history of football.   Wilbur has had 3 season to learn this shtein.

Quote from: MURP on March 16, 2006, 03:04:58 PM
that would make more sense if Reid didnt run the most complicated WR scheme in the history of football.   Wilbur has had 3 season to learn this shtein.

good point, and he supposedly had a leg up because Virginia ran some sort of WCO

ya know the more i think about it the more you have to question gaffneys worth if in this money infested market why a 25 year old wr couldnt get more than a one year deal

Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 16, 2006, 02:40:07 PM
What, did we brick him into a closet like in The Cask of Amontillado?

Whoa... English 101 flashback...   :paranoid

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 16, 2006, 03:08:10 PM
ya know the more i think about it the more you have to question gaffneys worth if in this money infested market why a 25 year old wr couldnt get more than a one year deal

He played for the Texans. Who would you throw money at from that team?

Tony Boselli.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 03:18:57 PM
Tony Boselli.

you may as well throw money at him.  I think the Texans still are.

im not syaing he could have or should have bagged a lot of money...but come on a one year deal...those are for darnarien mccants

i like the guy...i called the move before it happend...it just makes you wonder thats all

I'm curious if anyone has considered whether Gaffney & Rosenthief preferred the one year deal over a multi-year gig?

It's entirely possible that after the disaster of playing in Houston, Gaffney's simply trying to re-establish his true market value and the only way of doing that is by signing a one-year deal in hopes of having a breakout season and eventually a big payday.

Bingo, Rome. A one-year contract with a pass-whacky team where he is almost guaranteed to start and get lots of opportunities. Further to my point about how he isn't in the team's long-term plans, and they aren't in his.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 03:24:09 PM
I'm curious if anyone has considered whether Gaffney & Rosenthief preferred the one year deal over a multi-year gig?

It's entirely possible that after the disaster of playing in Houston, Gaffney's simply trying to re-establish his true market value and the only way of doing that is by signing a one-year deal in hopes of having a breakout season and eventually a big payday.

I agree. If Rosenskin if half the agent he thinks he is, there is no way he lets Gaffney sign a minimal 3-4 year contract at this point. It wouldn't be in the best interest of either the team or player at this time to do so.

neither rosenhaus or any other agent is dictating terms to the eagles front office...the eagles sign who they want for what they want or they dont sign him

not to mention an agent would have to be an idiot to turn down guaranteed money for a small one year lottery ticket...they just wouldnt do that...if he could have gotten two or three years he would have absolutely been all over it...gaffney is still only 27/28 at the end of a deal like that


the eagles offense may be pass happy but its also spread it around to 12 different guys happy...trust me no one is getting numbers in this offense that they can parlay into some kind of big deal next year

If Gaffney has a very good year he'll be re-signed.

Again though, hopefully we aren't done at WR for the year. I'd even take a first day draft pick at this point. Have 3 young guys to build around. This draft doesn't have a Braylon Edwards, or a Larry Fitzgerald, but it has a lot of solid receivers that will go from the mid first round to the 3rd round.

If Eagles can get one of those I'd be happy I suppose.

Also I don't know if this was mentioned in this topic, but it's on PE.com

Gaffney, who measures 6 feet 1, 205 pounds, is on vacation at the moment. Gaffney is the cousin of Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard, and the two are very close.

Two new receivers and three on the roster they still like. Pushing for Moulds or Walker depends on Pinkston right now.

Heres what the cowtippers are aying about their boy Gaffney, they like him--shame they never "really" got to see him.....dude might work well on our system, ya never know.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=19821 (ftp://http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=19821)

dont know if I inserted this right...Rjs....Im waiting.

Clearly you did not.

Quote from: reese125 on March 16, 2006, 04:11:10 PM
Heres what the cowtippers are aying about their boy Gaffney, they like him--shame they never "really" got to see him.....dude might work well on our system, ya never know.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=19821 (ftp://http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=19821)

dont know if I inserted this right...Rjs....Im waiting.

cough....cough..sorry that's SAYING

Wow, only 65 posts in and he's already mentioning me, unsolicited.

i'm getting jealous....where's my farging ice pick

I'm waiting to see the link that he farged up.

I'm a little saddened that we haven't been able to use up all of the geocities bandwidth for that pic yet.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:13:12 PM
Wow, only 65 posts in and he's already mentioning me, unsolicited.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=19821

one more try, sorry....if this doesnt work....look it up yourself  if your that interested

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 04:14:28 PM
I'm waiting to see the link that he farged up.

i have the utmost confidence in this young fella

Quote from: MURP on March 16, 2006, 02:41:44 PM

Spewdaro:

QuoteThe Eagles think Gaffney will blossom in this passing offense

Reid:

Quote
"Jabar has good hands and is a precise route runner," said head coach Andy Reid. "He has the ability to line up in the slot. We're excited to add him to the mix at the wide receiver position."

I ask again, why the 1 year deal?

3 words

comp pick 2007

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 04:15:48 PM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 04:14:28 PM
I'm waiting to see the link that he farged up.

i have the utmost confidence in this young fella

Yeah, and I'm confident in Reno Mahe's emergency QB skills. It's true, just thought I'd point it out. Didn't want to start a whole new thread about it.

no better time than now to get that off your chest, you'll sleep better tonight

Silly little Texan fans talking about TO being ready to settle down like Moss did in Oakland.  :-D

I'm not reading five pages of drivel from Texans fans.

Someone summarize it for me.

They think he's a stud, and wish they would've kept him and think he'll be a great #2 here.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 04:21:06 PM
Silly little Texan fans talking about TO being ready to settle down like Moss did in Oakland.  :-D

yeah because Parcells is such a big bad bully...please. He's a trainwreck...f him

They are all pissed they let him go. They think he'll thrive on a real offense. They are pissed because the team gives Carr no oline and then just took away 2 of his 3 WRs. Some are calling to get Owens. LOL

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 04:20:30 PM
no better time than now to get that off your chest, you'll sleep better tonight

GOOD! I got like three hours last night with this fargin' cold. Woke up with my eyes puss-glued shut.

Quote from: reese125 on March 16, 2006, 04:23:56 PM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 04:21:06 PM
Silly little Texan fans talking about TO being ready to settle down like Moss did in Oakland.  :-D

yeah because Parcells is such a big bad bully...please. He's a trainwreck...f him

Um, I'm talking about the TEXANS fans, not the Dallas fans...  :paranoid

Quote from: reese125 on March 16, 2006, 04:23:56 PM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 04:21:06 PM
Silly little Texan fans talking about TO being ready to settle down like Moss did in Oakland.  :-D

yeah because Parcells is such a big bad bully...please. He's a trainwreck...f him

thats of course IF he goes to Dallas....but whatever

TO just needed a change of scenery.

Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

Quote from: General_Failure on March 16, 2006, 04:24:15 PM
GOOD! I got like three hours last night with this fargin' cold. Woke up with my eyes puss-glued shut.

you see what withholding your opinion of Reno Mahe does to the human body?  take notice everyone, we helped GF...this time.  next time, one of you might not be so lucky.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

Its making my head hurt.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

You'll give yourself an aneurysm if you think about it too hard.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

of course he did, i'm begining to think that going through a day with out shteinting his pants is a milestone day for Reese

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2006, 04:29:01 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

Its making my head hurt.

Quote from: General_Failure on March 16, 2006, 04:29:25 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

You'll give yourself an aneurysm if you think about it too hard.

:-D :-D :-D

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 04:29:52 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

of course he did, i'm begining to think that going through a day with out shteinting his pants is a milestone day for Reese

:cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead

:-D

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

yeah I realized what he was talking about and corrected myself Rjs...once again...thanks for the slap of the ruler

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 16, 2006, 04:29:52 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
Did reese just quote himself one post after he was corrected by PG?

of course he did, i'm begining to think that going through a day with out shteinting his pants is a milestone day for Reese

SunMo....too corny to bother...waste of finger strength

Quote from: reese125 on March 16, 2006, 04:36:01 PM


SunMo....too corny to bother...waste of finger strength

but you bothered anyway, didn't you...

Looks like this signing wore out real fast.

Chopper, sick balls.

i was just looking at Phreaks FA list and noticed Keenan McCardell was on there.  why no talk of McCardell?  guy had 70/ 917 / 9 TD's last year. 

Yeah, I was going to bring him up earlier, but I don't think he's a free agent.

I've seen him on a few lists, but on other lists he's not there.

I'd take him definitely.

yeah i hadnt heard about him being a FA anywhere.  Phreak needs to explain himself if he isnt.

McCardell signed a 2 year extension with the Chargers in 2005. (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2008758)

From that Texans' thread:

QuoteDon't they also have that first round WR from last year still, Troy Williamson? or is that the Vikings?

Guy was talking about whether Gaffney could push for a number one spot here. Those cats know their football alright.


(http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/image.php?u=1920&dateline=1142528009)

Christ.

TO's lookin' a little chunky.

Spew on Gaffney:

QuoteHe now HAS officially signed and does not officially have a number. Sweated that one out ...

Guess he faxed the contract with his sig while on vacation.

he wanted to get it in before he gets maimed in a jet ski accident

Give him 81, who cares?

It's quarantined.

Give him his original #12 since it isn't being retired or anything...

On a side note, what is going to be the new description under Eagles Talk?

Find out if TO brushed his teeth up and down or side to side this morning. Seems to be no longer needed.

Unless he's a Cowboy, then maybe you can just transfer that over to The Rest of the NFL.

That better?

 :-D

QuoteThat better?

Much. Ha.

Think it needs a notification about the cash over cap discussions.

:-D  Good stuff GF. 

I'm not going back and reading 14 pages of Jabar Gaffney talk so if this has already been said, oh well. 

I actually like this move even though I've always stated that I'm sick of this team signing a bunch of backups at reciever.  The reason I like this move is simply for the fact that it's a one year deal.  So it's not like the Eagles are looking to Gaffney to be the future face of Eagles recievers.  Randle El, Givens and Jurevicious all got long(er) term contracts but their production last year was pretty similar.  So I'm cool with them bringing him in for one year.  To me, that says that they are still going to address the WR position.  Maybe it's Moulds or Walker or maybe they've got something planned for the draft.  Either way, I think they're still working on something. 

I think its a great deal for the Eagles and Gaffney.  He's an upgrade over Mcmullen/Lewis and still young with potential after being stuck in such a bad organization.  I'd bet Lito helped sell the idea to him.   

Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 16, 2006, 05:55:38 PM
:-D  Good stuff GF. 

I'm not going back and reading 14 pages of Jabar Gaffney talk so if this has already been said, oh well. 

I actually like this move even though I've always stated that I'm sick of this team signing a bunch of backups at reciever.  The reason I like this move is simply for the fact that it's a one year deal.  So it's not like the Eagles are looking to Gaffney to be the future face of Eagles recievers.  Randle El, Givens and Jurevicious all got long(er) term contracts but their production last year was pretty similar.  So I'm cool with them bringing him in for one year.  To me, that says that they are still going to address the WR position.  Maybe it's Moulds or Walker or maybe they've got something planned for the draft.  Either way, I think they're still working on something. 

Jesus Christ. You have brought more this conversation then I, or anyone, could have ever hoped. Lock this thread now, no more to talk about. You shouldn't have read the fourteen pages, they would be trivial to anyone with such a tremendous grasp of the situation.


Respect this man. RESPECT I SAY!

Whoa dude. Just settle down there before you blow out your o-ring.

 

Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 16, 2006, 06:04:03 PM
Jesus Christ. You have brought more this conversation then I, or anyone, could have ever hoped. Lock this thread now, no more to talk about. You shouldn't have read the fourteen pages, they would be trivial to anyone with such a tremendous grasp of the situation.


Respect this man. RESPECT I SAY!

Well ok then.

I'm sick of reading everyone's bitching.

This is it for the off-season. The only other possibility is MAYBE signing Moulds after he gets cut. If not, this is it for the WR's this year.

I like the signing. Yes, he DOES have upside. He's young and has talent, lets see what he does with McNabb at QB.

Everyone keeps asking for a #1 WR. Sorry folks, Reggie Brown is your #1 WR. The Eagles have said more then once now that they feel confident that Brown can step up and be a #1.

So, unless Moulds gets cut, don't expect another WR before the draft. Or after the draft. Minus the VERY small possibility we get Moulds, the only other way another WR is coming here is through the draft. Get used to it.

This team has won before with WR's much less talented then Reggie Brown, Jabar Gaffney, and Todd Pinkston. Pinkston and Jabar are going to rotate at the #2 spot, which I like considering that Pinkston might not be healthy enough to start, and the fact that Gaffney might turn out to be a much better playeer then he has shown playing for a zesty team.

James Thrash+Todd Pinkston=3 trips to NFC Championship game.

Reggie Brown+Todd Pinkston+Jabar Gaffney=Better then James Thrash+Todd Pinkston


farging relax already.

No.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 07:19:10 PM
No.

Yes.

Fine.

S-O-A-D sucks!

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 16, 2006, 07:28:05 PM
S-O-A-D sucks!

Channeling RS, I see?

Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 16, 2006, 06:48:56 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 16, 2006, 06:04:03 PM
Jesus Christ. You have brought more this conversation then I, or anyone, could have ever hoped. Lock this thread now, no more to talk about. You shouldn't have read the fourteen pages, they would be trivial to anyone with such a tremendous grasp of the situation.


Respect this man. RESPECT I SAY!

Well ok then.

I see my humor eludes you.

Quote from: rjs246 on March 16, 2006, 06:37:32 PM
Whoa dude. Just settle down there before you blow out your o-ring.

....you too.


That said. You both are with the gays.

OWNT!!1!1!ELEVEN!!1


When all else fails, resort to gay jokes. They seem to work best in this enviorment.

Great band indeed.

Quote from: Munson on March 16, 2006, 07:17:46 PM
I'm sick of reading everyone's bitching.

This is it for the off-season. The only other possibility is MAYBE signing Moulds after he gets cut. If not, this is it for the WR's this year.

I like the signing. Yes, he DOES have upside. He's young and has talent, lets see what he does with McNabb at QB.

Everyone keeps asking for a #1 WR. Sorry folks, Reggie Brown is your #1 WR. The Eagles have said more then once now that they feel confident that Brown can step up and be a #1.

So, unless Moulds gets cut, don't expect another WR before the draft. Or after the draft. Minus the VERY small possibility we get Moulds, the only other way another WR is coming here is through the draft. Get used to it.

This team has won before with WR's much less talented then Reggie Brown, Jabar Gaffney, and Todd Pinkston. Pinkston and Jabar are going to rotate at the #2 spot, which I like considering that Pinkston might not be healthy enough to start, and the fact that Gaffney might turn out to be a much better playeer then he has shown playing for a zesty team.

James Thrash+Todd Pinkston=3 trips to NFC Championship game.

Reggie Brown+Todd Pinkston+Jabar Gaffney=Better then James Thrash+Todd Pinkston


farging relax already.

We may not be done. A one year deal isn't convicing me of that yet. I don't know if the Eagles want Moulds or Walker, but if not I think we'll spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a receiver. God forbid Reggie Brown gets hurt, we have no one to throw to. Yes, we've won with less talent at receivers, but the NFC then was also a lot worse than it is now, and so was the division. I disagree with a lot of your post.

Yes, the NFC is better now...so are our WR's.

I also think that they might draft a guy in the middle rounds of the draft. But other then the slight possibility of Moulds coming here, IF he gets cut, I think everyone's gonna have to relax and accept the WR's we've got now. They're not changing.

They'll chance one more time when Pinky gets hurt and Reno gets moved back to his "natural position."

i have seen no real evidence that the NFC is any better than it was for the past few seasons.

look at it this way, if the eagles had just even gone 4-4 in the division (splitting each team), they would have won the wildcard.

The part of the bench with the heating pad?

Quote from: Wingspan on March 16, 2006, 09:05:23 PM
i have seen no real evidence that the NFC is any better than it was for the past few seasons.

look at it this way, if the eagles had just even gone 4-4 in the division (splitting each team), they would have won the wildcard.

Not to mention we'd have played 2 more games than the rest of the league.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 16, 2006, 09:26:00 PM

Quote from: Wingspan on March 16, 2006, 09:05:23 PM
i have seen no real evidence that the NFC is any better than it was for the past few seasons.

look at it this way, if the eagles had just even gone 4-4 in the division (splitting each team), they would have won the wildcard.

Not to mention we'd have played 2 more games than the rest of the league.

haha...good point.

doh!

Holy shtein...it's Munson!

Long time no see.

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 16, 2006, 08:04:03 AM
Gaffney's NFL.com page (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306271)

I like the deal, simply because Gaffney is an immediate improvement over Lewis and McMullen, insurance for Pinkston coming off injury, and will be happy to be reunited with his good friend and cousin Lito.  Also, it doesn't preclude the Eagles from adding another receiver of starter quality or a draft pick.

Of course... that is if this is even true.

yes, i am on your nuts... (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17920.msg383710#msg383710)

Just because Gaffney enjoys eating ass doesn't mean he's not a quality WR.

Ha!  I was wondering when someone would find that.  Well done.  Turnabout is fair play.

And IGY...

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2006, 11:10:15 AM
im far from being on the get randel el at all costs bus...but jesus....jabar gaffney??

Anyway, here's my basic tenet:  Every player not on the Eagles sucks.  Every player the Eagles sign or draft rules until proven otherwise.  Gaffney is no exception, despite his affinity for munching on anus.

http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18008.msg393236#msg393236

http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18035.msg393018#msg393018

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 17, 2006, 11:21:46 AM
Just because Gaffney enjoys eating ass doesn't mean he's not a quality WR.

huh?
so the guy in that r kelly video was really gaffney?

Oh, and if I haven't already adequately proven that I'm desperate to cover my ass on this blatant flip-flop, I should probably add that after the likes of Randle El and Givens went off the market, I expected the Eagles to stay "fine" at the WR position and then draft one... so even ass eater extraordinaire Jabar Gaffney was a very pleasant surprise.

Phew.


Yeah, I got severely p\/\/nt.

i never said gaffney sucked...i said randel el moulds even walker are much better....and that getting gaffney and gaffney alone is a joke

i hope they dont get another WR...

i am going to enjoy IGY's season tickets this year. and i will even attend the funeral

Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 11:18:21 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2006, 11:17:48 AM
Reggie Brown #1
Pinkston or Lewis #2
new guy #3

if this happens ill give up my season tickets......

then ill kill myself

i'll take em.

i still dont believe it...but if it stays that way they are yours

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 11:38:53 AM
i still dont believe it...but if it stays that way they are yours

You are so full of pooh. If they go into the season with those three as starters, and you don't make with the tickets- your anonymous, inconsequential internet personality will be mocked for all internet based quasi-eternity.

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 11:38:53 AM
i still dont believe it...but if it stays that way they are yours

They'll add only a draft pick, and you'll use that as an 'out' of this deal.

duh

You are so full of pooh. If they go into the season with those three as starters, and you don't make with the tickets- your anonymous, inconsequential internet personality will be mocked for all internet based quasi-eternity.

::) X 1000

wheres my girl when i need her

I actually like the signing. I still think they need a #1 receiver but gaffney is not a bad 2 or slot receiver to have

I've been considering this one year deal thing and why the Eagles would sign a guy this age with the kind of potential he has shown(at least as much as Pinky that has a long term deal) amd their philosophy of signing young players long term.

The only way it makes sense is that Gaffney was looking for more than what the Eagles wanted to pay and Reid&Co. did not want a repeat of the T.O. debacle where if Gaffney outperforms his contract they have to deal with that agent again.  If Gaffney does well they can always hit him off during the season.

I disagree. I think they are just wanting to evaluate Pinkston. If Pinkston is nothing close to what he used to be Gaffney will receive an extension, and Pinkston won't be around for too much longer.

If Gaffney was looking for a pile of money (which is pretty unlikely) the Eagles would have gone elsewhere, and Gaffney wouldn't have been so willing to come in and take a one year deal for what probably amounts to peanuts in the grand scheme of things. It wouldn't have cost much to lock him up for awhile, and the position Gaffney is will never come close to the "T.O Debacle".

If only we could all be as homerrific as Merrill Reese... link (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=46016)

Quote from: Displaced on March 18, 2006, 06:19:42 PM
The only way it makes sense is that Gaffney was looking for more than what the Eagles wanted to pay and Reid&Co. did not want a repeat of the T.O. debacle where if Gaffney outperforms his contract they have to deal with that agent again.  If Gaffney does well they can always hit him off during the season.

please don't compare gaffney to TO.

however, i do think gaffney is our starting receiver right now along with reggie brown.

Quote from: phattymatty on March 20, 2006, 12:48:04 PM
however, i do think gaffney is our starting receiver right now along with reggie brown.

I think he goes into the season as the 3rd wideout but by the end of the season will be our #2.

Are you saying that you think Pinkston is penciled in to start? I hope to christ that you're wrong.

Quote from: phattymatty on March 20, 2006, 12:48:04 PM
however, i do think gaffney is our starting receiver right now along with reggie brown.

Yes.  I believe they'd try their damnedest to start Pinkston if he weren't coming off a big injury, but since he is, and since he has a big hole in public opinion to pull out of, I think Gaffney wins the job.  Plus, Gaffney may not be as much of a deep threat, but he is better rounded.

Pinkston will still see 15-20 snaps a game if he's healthy enough, and like him or hate him, he does have excellent speed and will probably make more big/deep plays than anyone else currently on the roster... whether it's from drawing a flag or from actually making the catch.

i actually thought gaffney was a deep threat but considering he had one catch over 40 yards in his acreer, i guess not.

i got him confused with corey bradford. 

i knew there was some texan receiver who used to always make long catches.

Gaffney might be more of a deep threat than Reggie Brown or Greg Lewis.  He's got good speed and size... but Pinkston is still probably more of a deep threat than anyone on the team by far if he's healthy.

ALL HAIL JABAR!

(http://www.cornerparis.com/boutique/images/compo-babar.jpg)

Considering the price it was a very good signing.

I wouldn't go as far as Merrill but Gaffney can do well in this offense. I like how he's built and I like that he's sure-handed. Seems like Reid praises him on his route running abilities too. I don't know what everyone wants from this FA class. Randle El, IMO, was overpaid grossly for seemingly no production besides being in the center of a few trick plays (I think Freddie Mitchell even had some success in the trick play department if I'm not mistaken), Givens would have been nice, but I think talent-wise Gaffney has the same athleticism and hands as Givens, so it's somewhat of a scratch.

I dunno, I don't think sarcasm is needed for someone who signed a one year deal at practically the minimum. Now if the Eagles gave him a 7 year deal with 15 million in guarenteed money then I would say you're crazy. But, come on, put the signing in perspective.

PC at 2pm tomorrow with Gaffney

ALL HAIL!

lol @ merrill

i love the old kook but before the eagles signed him he had never heard of jabar gaffney

i had no idea gaffney was a Rosenhaus client.

Maybe he would be there with his client if he wasn't to busy performing fellatio on TO back in the big d.

Quote from: phattymatty on March 21, 2006, 02:43:04 PM
i had no idea gaffney was a Rosenhaus client.

I couldn't believe it wasn't butter.

(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/FPABCHLINJKC/gaffney2_hp_060321.jpg)

#84 lives!  hmmm...no Javon?  Yes I know the number has zero impact on transactions.

SOOOOOOOOOO excited that I can change my Freddie jersey to something else. LOL  :-[ :paranoid

What, no smilie?

He said the Eight Fo isn't locked up though.

I bet he tries to get Reggie to give up 86.

Then Reggie should wear #81.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2006, 03:52:24 PM
He said the Eight Fo isn't locked up though.

shtein, I need to do something with this Mitchell jersey...other than burn it.

No.  If Reggie is going to challenge buddha, Jesus, and mohammed for supreme universal dominance, he should never have to change his number again.

does someone as good as reggie even need a number?

Nope.

he doesn't even need a helmet.

Just a cross and a crown of thorns...

Shall we wrap him in swaddling clothes and lay him in a manger, too?

it farging pisses me off that i keep missing these

Dude, babies can't play WR. Even if they've been annointed 'savior.'

Reggie Brown is like Reggie White, but more skinny and less dead.

Don't worry, he'll probably die young too. Just like the son of god that he is.

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 04:01:22 PM
Reggie Brown is like Reggie White, but more skinny and less dead.

Seriously, I found that to be an icehole-like comment and at the same time thought it was pretty funny.

And then win comeback player of the year.

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 04:01:22 PM
Reggie Brown is like Reggie White, but more skinny and less dead.

the one stone left unturned in this thread...now there is nothing else

(http://www.askmen.com/men/celeb_profiles_entertainment/pictures/kevin_federline/kevin_federline.jpg)

It burns when I pee?

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 04:01:22 PM
Reggie Brown is like Reggie White, but more skinny and less dead.

i said once before a few months ago, he's the ghost love child of reggie white and jerome brown.

popozao

Here's the other love child (http://www.seminolesheriff.org/drawRegistration.php?rfn=8099)

Can't trust these people from Killeen, TX....  :P

Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 04:37:50 PM
Here's the other love child (http://www.seminolesheriff.org/drawRegistration.php?rfn=8099)

Can't trust these people from Killeen, TX....  :P

sign him!

(http://www.seminolesheriff.org/images/upload/photo/w/h/i/whi_1100889578.jpg)

Quote from: Wingspan on March 21, 2006, 04:40:50 PM

Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 04:37:50 PM
Here's the other love child (http://www.seminolesheriff.org/drawRegistration.php?rfn=8099)

Can't trust these people from Killeen, TX....  :P

sign him!

(http://www.seminolesheriff.org/images/upload/photo/w/h/i/whi_1100889578.jpg)

That dude looks hard, he's our answer to the SAM problem!!  :D :D

 Height:      5' 10''      Weight:      155 lbs.

he can back up moats

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 04:51:40 PM
Height:      5' 10''      Weight:      155 lbs.

Better put him at WILL then...

Quote from: Eaglez on March 21, 2006, 05:22:46 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 04:51:40 PM
Height:      5' 10''      Weight:      155 lbs.

Better put him at WILL then...

Way to big.

Quote from: Eaglez on March 21, 2006, 05:22:46 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 21, 2006, 04:51:40 PM
Height:      5' 10''      Weight:      155 lbs.

Better put him at WILL then...

Or at least amputate the fargers knees and Frankenstein them into Barber's legs, so that Barber can blow out a fresh set in training camp.

Nice use of Frankenstein as a verb, PPiDC.

Thanks, I've been real conflicted about using it in recent moments, especially the capital F.

Quote from: BigEd76 on March 21, 2006, 04:37:50 PM
Here's the other love child (http://www.seminolesheriff.org/drawRegistration.php?rfn=8099)

Can't trust these people from Killeen, TX....  :P

:-D :-D

Killeen is hard core, yo.

I would like to add something that I found so funny, I nearly drove off the road yesterday.

I have to drive by again today to see what business it was that had this, but I drove past a place that had one of those signs (like in Sun Mo's sig) and it said, "WHO NEEDS TO WHEN WE HAVE A PINKY?"

I think it was a physical therapy office, but I'm not sure.

Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3739841.html)

QuoteIn Philly, Gaffney rips former team
Eagles receiver glad to join 'real organization' after leaving Texans

By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

New Philadelphia Eagles receiver Jabar Gaffney took some shots at his former team, the Texans, at his introductory news conference Tuesday.

Gaffney, a 2002 second-round pick who had a career-high 55 catches last season, was familiar with the Eagles because of his cousin, Philadelphia cornerback Lito Sheppard.

Gaffney was asked what he thought about the Eagles organization.

"It's totally different from Houston," he said. "The couple of times I've come around here, seeing how close-knit they were and the facilities, it's totally different. This is a real organization, and I'm happy to be a part of it."

Gaffney also took a shot at Texans quarterback David Carr when he was asked how different it'll be catching passes from Donovan McNabb.

"It'll make a world of difference," he said. "Carr was thrown in as a rookie and was sacked a bunch of times. He was kind of gun-shy back there, trying to get rid of the ball quickly, and a lot of times that didn't even work. Being here, with a proven Pro Bowl quarterback, a good line and a great offensive system with great players everywhere will make a world of a difference."

Gaffney, who averaged only 8.9 yards per catch last season, brought up the offensive line when trying to pinpoint the Texans' problems last season.

"That was real tough," he said. "If you were on the road, a lot of times, before you even got into your routes, you heard the crowd cheering because they got another sack. Or, if we were at home, they (fans) would start to boo. It got frustrating."

Gaffney, who signed a one-year contract, described the difficulty of playing for the Texans.

"It was real tough," he said. "It was a new experience for me. I had never been on a losing team, never been on an expansion team. I had a lot thrown at me at once, and it's helped me a lot. I know that side and how that feels. I never want to feel like that again."

The Texans, who will play Philadelphia this season, said they would have no response to Gaffney's comments.

ha...the columnist has the same name as Bruce Willis' character in Die Hard...

That was a shot at Carr? Sounded more like a shot at the oline....rightfully so.

And if that writer thinks that's a shot at Carr, he needs to read the papers more often to see what TO says about his QBs.

ha...the columnist has the same name as Bruce Willis' character in Die Hard...

sometimes easy youre creepy wierd

Looks like WR's are upping the controversy in all matchups with Texas teams.  Heee-yaw!

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 22, 2006, 11:34:08 AM
That was a shot at Carr? Sounded more like a shot at the oline....rightfully so.

He was definitely taking shots at Carr yesterday when he was being interviewed on Sirius. Reminded me more Freddie Mitchell than TO.

Randall and Donovan didn't always have great OLs and they found ways to deal with it, but Carr hasn't.  Yes, I know Carr doesn't run and their OL sucks, but QBs find ways to adapt.  More shotgun...more screens....something.  Houston's offense is basically "drop back and get killed"....

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 11:34:26 AMsometimes easy youre creepy wierd

Sometimes?  :-D

I see or hear "John McClain" and I think "yippee-ki-yay MFer"...

Didn't see this posted yet so my apologies if it already was, but here's a 2005 Gaffney Highlight reel. (http://www.startrekfans.net/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3922) The quality is bad so you might feel drunk watching it but I like what I see.

Edit: It might just be that he's wearing #86, but he reminds me a lot of Reggie Brown.

That's good news, because Reggie Brown is going to be a Pro Bowler this year, I heard.

i turned it off after the 17th eight yard catch

I heard he was going to rewrite the Bible and heal the sick.

An end around for no gain made his highlight reel. Well, at least he can catch the ball.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 22, 2006, 03:47:44 PM
I heard he was going to rewrite the Bible and heal the sick.

Reggie Brown doesn't have to re-write the Bible, because he already inspired the existing version.

i herd hes going 2 rebild the pyramids with his nutsak zLOL!!11!

off Reggie's nuts, please

I would get off of them but they are so enormous that I can scarcely avoid them. Also, I heard that they can cure cancer.

You have cancer?  Bummer.

Bummer or (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/fullmulletalchemist/nelson_ha_ha.jpg)

I can only assume that I have cancer. No one can kick this much ass without karma catching up to them.

you guys ruined another one.....congrats

It burns when I pee please

i would put forth that this is the 1st one of the week.

That video does nothing to really inspire confidence. Didn't see him make one guy miss, break one tackle, or do anything that would make me think he could beat out a healthy Pinkston. On the other hand, the video does show what horrible protection Carr had, and how little time he had to throw the ball. Gaffney could be a great player, but after watching him play in that offense, it's hard to know one way or the other.

And only 10 pages too late.

It did show that he can catch a bad pass and take a hit. I'll take that over Pinkston.

No, I'd rather have Pinkston draw the flag and get the automatic first down.  The problem with trying too hard to grab a bad pass is that you might deflect it right to the other team.  If you focus on drawing the flag, then you're set, even if the errant pass goes right into the other team's awaiting hands.

My logic is flawless.

Gaffney's only a month and a half older than Reggie Brown and yet has 3 more years in the league.  Weird.

as stated ad nauseum...gaffney has very nice hands and is a good route runner...a perfect #3 possesion type wr...

It burns when I pee...im not asking again

You do realize that you asking to lock the thread is practically daring the mods to keep it open?

good point

As long as you realize that, we're good to go.

Jabar Gaffney?

He's friggin' Jimmy Smith, people...

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/2002/picks/gaffney.html

He showed that he can catch the tough pass... and make that catch in traffic which is a definite plus.  In those highlights however, I saw NO YAC at all.

HOLD IT DOWN!!!  ;D


Hands = a plus in this WR corps.

QuoteEagles | Gaffney contract details
Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:16:28 -0800

Reuben Frank, of PhillyBurbs.com, reports the contract signed by Philadelphia Eagles WR Jabar Gaffney is a one-year deal worth $900,000.

Sorry if that's a dupe post.

if gaffney didnt get a sb then mike mcmahon is making more than him this year