I cant believe this hasnt been posted. Simoneau + draft pick.
Awesome. Board locked up for awhile, probably why it isn't posted. So long Sims! So long Pinky!
The board has been down. ::)
QuoteEAGLES TRADE FOR STALLWORTH
August 28, 2006
By DAVE SPADARO
The Eagles have traded an undisclosed future draft pick and reserve linebacker Mark Simoneau to the New Orleans Saints for wide receiver Donte' Stallworth.
PhiladelphiaEagles.com will have more details of the trade as we learn more about the deal.
The 6-foot, 196-pound Stallworth, a fifth-year wide receiver from the University of Tennessee, caught a career-best 70 passes for 945 yards last season.
Nice pickup if true...I have not seen anything yet.
Better than trading a third for Lelie. :yay
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2006, 04:57:20 PM
The board has been down. ::)
I know. I figured since it was down, someone posted the news and then it erupted.
Ha, about a week ago after Lelie was traded everyone said "Who else is left?" and I said Stallworth, even though I thought it would never happen.
Bunk78, before you say anything, no one could have predicted this. Dont brag.
I heard from a little birdie that deal is Sims and a 4th rounder, which would escalate to a 3rd if the Eagles are able to agree with Stallworth on a long-term deal.
Either way... I am very glad about this trade.
:-o
And everyone trashed me when I said we'd get a receiver and told me that this was the receiving corps we will be going into the season with. Cmon people.
Love it. Nice deal FO.
Everyone trying to post it at once clogged up our Tubes. Damn Eagles and their doings, causing our site to go down... :paranoid
good stuff. he's only 25
Stallworth is a more complete WR that Lelie in my opinion, and definately has a lot less baggage.
Who takes Sims spot? Roper? Now that I think about it, Spads normally slobs Sims' knob, but I haven't heard anything about him from the PE.com spin department in a long while.
They add a back now, and look out. I am about to cream my pants.
absolutely a great effin trade....this is the playmaker ive been calling for since i wanted sinorice in the draft...a deathly slow offense just got a lot faster
kudos to andy for admitting he was wrong
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 28, 2006, 04:58:46 PM
:-o
And everyone trashed me when I said we'd get a receiver and told me that this was the receiving corps we will be going into the season with. Cmon people.
Love it. Nice deal FO.
Shut up.
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Gaffney
McCants?
Oh, who cares. The Pinkston era is over.
Stallworth was the 1st WR (13th overall) taken in the 2002 draft. You know - the one where the Eagles used 3 picks in the first 2 rounds on DB's ? Lito was taken 26th overall, BTW.
The next 3 WR's taken in that draft were as follows:
Ashley Lelie (19th overall)
Javon Walker (20th overall)
Jabar Gaffney (33rd overall)
Ha!
Hey, now we're down one white linebacker.
Joyous times in the IGY household today.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 28, 2006, 05:00:40 PM
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Gaffney
McCants?
Oh, who cares. The Pinkston era is over.
you forgot about Avant, I think...
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Avant
McCants
Lewis
Gaffney and Pinky = gone
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5913516
Says he's a FA after this season. I doubt the Eagles would trade a pick for him if they didn't intend to re-sign him.
Unless he totally sucks it up.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 28, 2006, 05:00:40 PM
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Gaffney
McCants?
Oh, who cares. The Pinkston era is over.
Avant too.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 28, 2006, 05:05:25 PM
The next 3 WR's taken in that draft were as follows:
Ashley Lelie (19th overall)
Javon Walker (20th overall)
Jabar Gaffney (33rd overall)
That is a coinsidence.
btw he needs to be named the starting punt returner.......right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM
btw he needs to be named the starting punt returner.......right now
He hasn't already been? Rotoworld has already shockingly assigned him a starting job as well.
this would allow a sane coach to cut Reno Mahe, however that probably won't happen
very good trade! :yay andy must've undergone testicular augmentation surgery.
uhhhhh holy shtein thats farging awsome
His stats.
GP GS REC. YDS TD
2002 New Orleans Saints 13 7 42 594 14.1 57 8 11 2 26
2003 New Orleans Saints 11 3 25 485 19.4 76 3 6 3 19
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 10 58 767 13.2 45 5 13 1 35
2005 New Orleans Saints 16 13 70 945 13.5 43 7 16 1 50
now, all he has to do is learn rocket science and he can help the team
I'd just like to remind everyone that PG drafted Jabar Gaffney in the 7th round of the CFFFL League draft.
I think she'd fit in perfectly over at ExtremeSkins.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2006, 05:25:30 PM
I'd just like to remind everyone that PG drafted Jabar Gaffney in the 7th round of the CFFFL League draft.
I'd like to know when Stallworth was drafted in that very same draft.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2006, 05:25:30 PM
I'd just like to remind everyone that PG won the SB last year and was IN the SB the year before that.
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 28, 2006, 05:25:03 PM
now, all he has to do is learn rocket science and he can help the team
That role is by far the easiest WR position on the Eagles squad. Basically run in a straight line real fast.
Excellent news.
Although he was an underachiever up until last year, he started to make waves. And anyone who can put up good numbers with that bum Aaron Brooks throwing to you - you're good. Real good.
Whats hilarious is the Cowboys and ExtremeHomers say its no big deal. F;in dickbags.
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Avant
McCants
Lewis
Gaffney
Those last 3 are fighting it out. Gaffney is likely the odd man out because he doesn't cover punts or kicks. And only Gregge and Darneian make it if they keep 6.
yeah, you're probably right. but he can be more than that, he's a good run after catch guy.
yeah stallworth is less a go route guy and more a crossing route get him in space to work his magic kind of wr
How long does it take him to get worked in? Does he start in week 1?
Beautiful trade... just beautiful.
A 25 year old burner... exactly what the Eagles WR corps needed. The consistent deep threat they needed and good enough to take a whole lot of pressure off of Brown. I feel SO much better about this corps now. This pretty much means the end of Pinkston too. Thanks for the memories Pinky... I'll never forget the 2003 NFCCG.
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Avant
Gaffney/Lewis/McCants
You probably can't slap the smile of McNabb's face today. :-D
I've got no problems giving up a 3rd for a young WR who should be around for a long while (since I can't see them giving up a 4th for a 1 year rental).
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2006, 05:30:57 PM
yeah stallworth is less a go route guy and more a crossing route get him in space to work his magic kind of wr
At least when they throw that quick hitter on the sideline like they always used to do with Pinky, this guy might be able to break it as opposed to make one move and falling over.
Betcha Simoneau's old lady and her family were pissed off.
Sim's father-in-law was the Saints TE coach for 6 years while Haslett ran the team.
He gets let go when Haslett is canned (and is now in Wisconsin with the Badgers) and now Mark is traded to NO
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2006, 05:00:04 PM
absolutely a great effin trade....this is the playmaker ive been calling for since i wanted sinorice in the draft...a deathly slow offense just got a lot faster
kudos to andy for admitting he was wrong
It also got rid of a white LB, so that's a bonus for you.
Awesome trade. I checked out PE.com just to see what the current articles were and saw they traded for Stallworth and let out a big "SWEET!" Deep speed on the O is a fantastic thing. See ya, Pinky you slacker. Now to get another back and cut Mahe's dead weight too and I'll be one hell of a happy camper.
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 28, 2006, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2006, 05:00:04 PM
absolutely a great effin trade....this is the playmaker ive been calling for since i wanted sinorice in the draft...a deathly slow offense just got a lot faster
kudos to andy for admitting he was wrong
It also got rid of a white LB, so that's a bonus for you.
I'm just glad he's gone because he sucked.
I rate this trade an A, it turns to an A+ if he becomes an impact player and they sign him to a contract extension. Any type of news/rumors on that front? Walker and Lelie both signed extensions didn't they?
Lelie, no. Walker, yes.
Annd they give up a 3 if they sign Stallworth to an extension - a 4 if they don't.
I believe they'll sign him. They have money.
I'm assuming it's going to be an inseason consideration given that the pick can become a 3rd for the Saints if he signs on long term. Knowing that I can see the brain trust working on contract numbers already given how he plays for the first half of the season if not sooner.
You know who his agent is, right? :P
If you assume Brown and Gaffney could have a handful of catches each more than they've previously shown, there's 5 guys on offense capable fo 60 catches a year.
Sim now joins Hollis Thomas and Nate Wayne again.
I wonder if Sim and Wayne have plans on re-creating that play where DeShaun Foster drags 'em both into the endzone this year?
The Saints needed LB help bad. They traded a 4th to DAL for Scott Shanle a few days ago. They signed Wayne because Anthony Simmons retired. They have Tommy Polley down there too.
Their LBs are worse than the Birds...by far.
That may be, but Simoneau? It looks to me like they really wanted a draft pick.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2006, 06:35:31 PM
Annd they give up a 3 if they sign Stallworth to an extension - a 4 if they don't.
I know. Great trade regardless.
The Saints are trying to get Donnie Edwards from San Diego and may have offered Stallworth for him a few days ago...
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 28, 2006, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2006, 05:00:04 PM
absolutely a great effin trade....this is the playmaker ive been calling for since i wanted sinorice in the draft...a deathly slow offense just got a lot faster
kudos to andy for admitting he was wrong
It also got rid of a white LB, so that's a bonus for you.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2006, 05:07:11 PM
Hey, now we're down one white linebacker.
Joyous times in the IGY household today.
:evil
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 06:43:17 PM
The Saints are trying to get Donnie Edwards from San Diego and may have offered Stallworth for him...
Christ, San Diego with another WR? I don't even want to think about that.
Great news for the Eagles! :yay
Less than great news for Reggie Brown and Drew Brees CFFFL owners. :paranoid
Simoneau wont hurt them. He isnt as bad as everyone says he is. He quietly had one of the best preseasons by a LB on the Eagles.
Simoneau + 3rd rounder is better then anything they were going to get. I like the deal for both sides.
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 28, 2006, 06:44:41 PM
Simoneau wont hurt them. He isnt as bad as everyone says he is. He quietly had one of the best preseasons by a LB on the Eagles.
Simoneau + 3rd rounder is better then anything they were going to get. I like the deal for both sides.
it was a 4th round pick
Right now it is.
You're assuming a contract extension is automatic...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 06:40:20 PM
You know who his agent is, right? :P
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2006, 06:35:31 PM
Lelie, no. Walker, yes.
Annd they give up a 3 if they sign Stallworth to an extension - a 4 if they don't.
I believe they'll sign him. They have money.
What is more likely? Giving up only a 4 for a one year rental because they would want to keep the 3rd rounder or giving up that 3rd and signing him to an extension?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2006, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 28, 2006, 06:44:41 PM
Simoneau wont hurt them. He isnt as bad as everyone says he is. He quietly had one of the best preseasons by a LB on the Eagles.
Simoneau + 3rd rounder is better then anything they were going to get. I like the deal for both sides.
it was a 4th round pick
It's going to be a 3rd if the Eagles sign him to an extension, if you havent read that yet.
If the Eagles dont sign him to an extension, there's going to be many, many riots. I dont care how well he does/doesnt do this year unless he is absolutely abysmal. As long as he gets a smaller contract then Branch I dont care how much money he gets.
Drew is too busy. He's got his fire gear and air pack on now and is putting out fires in Texas.
Speaking of Drew...I heard the chode did a Burger King commercial. Anyone see it yet? Supposedly he's doing his "next question" schtick.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 06:46:35 PM
You're assuming a contract extension is automatic...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 06:40:20 PM
You know who his agent is, right? :P
Rosenhaus isnt a bad agent. He has a few clients that are already on the Eagles. Just because TO was a fleshpopbag here (and everywhere else) doesnt mean that Rosenhaus wont deal with the Eagles.
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 28, 2006, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 06:46:35 PM
You're assuming a contract extension is automatic...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 28, 2006, 06:40:20 PM
You know who his agent is, right? :P
Rosenhaus is a good agent. He has a few clients that are already on the Eagles. Just because TO was a fleshpopbag here (and everywhere else) doesnt mean that Rosenhaus wont deal with the Eagles.
Gaffney
Kearse
Stallworth
Tra (for about 24 seconds until he went back to Pete Schaeffer)
Who am I missing?
McDougle
McNabb switched to Rosenhaus and has demanded a new contract. Reno switched too, but nobody has heard anything about a holdout from him.
Ah, yes. How could I forget my boy.
Interesting note: even though this is his 5th year in the NFL, Stallworth is only 2 months older than Reggie Brown
He was Hugh's agent too, I think. Not 100% positive.
I just hope he was traded in order to be signed to an extension and not just a fill in until Pinkston can be healthy next year. I don't think the Eagles are that stupid though. Stallworth isn't a pro bowler, but he's a good player.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2006, 05:28:14 PM
I'd just like to remind everyone that PG won the SB last year and was IN the SB the year before that.
And as I've mentioned before, you are doing everything in your power to assure that both of those trips were the result of luck. I appreciate it.
So what number will Mr. Stallworth be wearing?
83? Only if Fast Greggie is cut - and I think he stays now.
87? Is We Todd Did done?
80? Byebye Jabar?
14? I hate WRs wearing numbers in the teens
13? Ed's boy Bill Campbody will give it up soon.
16?
17?
18? Possible
19?
Or he could ask Greggie for the number, then punch him in the face.
He could buy 83 from Greg or wash his car with his head for it.
What about 88? Do we have an 88? I'm drawing a blank.
Nevermind Bartrum.
Nice acquisition for the Eagles.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 28, 2006, 06:57:31 PM
He could buy 83 from Greg or wash his car with his head for it.
What about 88? Do we have an 88? I'm drawing a blank.
Bartrum, fool!
Damn punctuation.
Bartrum.
Stallworth's myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=87754708)
Maybe Darnerian is cut. I hope not.
Punching Greggie is cool. But he's a tough guy taunter now! Even has one of Al Harris' flags to show for it.
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 28, 2006, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 28, 2006, 06:57:31 PM
He could buy 83 from Greg or wash his car with his head for it.
What about 88? Do we have an 88? I'm drawing a blank.
Bartrum fool!
Who?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2006, 06:58:50 PM
Punching Greggie is cool. But he's a tough guy taunter now! Even has one of Al Harris' flags to show for it.
Oh man, I hope he puts that thing on eBay.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2006, 06:58:50 PM
Bartrum.
Stallworth's myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=87754708)
Forget Stallworth's myspace... who is this? (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49315709)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2006, 06:58:50 PM
Stallworth's myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=87754708)
Hilarious. :-D
Did you catch the crack ho on the first page? :-D :-D
Quote from: General_Failure on August 28, 2006, 06:59:00 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 28, 2006, 06:58:29 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 28, 2006, 06:57:31 PM
He could buy 83 from Greg or wash his car with his head for it.
What about 88? Do we have an 88? I'm drawing a blank.
Bartrum fool!
Who?
That's what we call him here in the Texas 'hood. :afro
And some of Donte's myspace friends are...
ex-Saint and Seminole Talman Gardner (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=45216197)
Greg Jones (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=16754246)
Bobby Hebert was on DNL and he said the downside to Stallworth was that he can lack concentration sometimes and drop easy catches. He also said he can be non-chalant and show up late to meetings and practices. But he said if he gets motivated by playing with Donovan, then the Eagles will have acquired themselves a hell of a player.
Someone with a MySpace account has to sign on there and welcome him to Philly.
Bobby Hebert? Who cares what Bobby Hebert has to say? What's he doing these days anyway?
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 28, 2006, 07:05:25 PM
Bobby Hebert? Who cares what Bobby Hebert has to say? What's he doing these days anyway?
Appearing on DNL apparently. Duh.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 28, 2006, 07:03:09 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2006, 06:58:50 PM
Stallworth's myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=87754708)
Hilarious. :-D
Did you catch the crack ho on the first page? :-D :-D
:-D
ex-Eagle Tee Martin (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=26873577)
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 28, 2006, 07:05:25 PM
Bobby Hebert? Who cares what Bobby Hebert has to say? What's he doing these days anyway?
I'd think maybe they'd talk to Darren Howard about Stallworth before Bobby Hebert. How anyone could've kept their concentration playing for the roaming, homeless Saints and had a career year last season is amazing in itself.
Nice move, likin' the trade a lot.
Listening to "The Daily Eagle" right now...
--Reid gives standard boilerplate - only surprising thing is that he specifically mentioned how quickly he believes/expects Donte to pick up the offense. Sure.
--Jay Glazer:
---Patriots had a 4th on the table for Stallworth
---Saints were interested in Simoneau all along for some reason
---Talks heated up in the last week or so with Patriots and Saints called Eagles to gauge interest
---Saints didn't think they could re-sign him - biggest reason they were looking to trade him
Bobby Hebert covers the Saints in NO. He's either a radio guy or a local analyst. Hebert said he likes the deal a lot for the Eagles. He just gave Stallworth's strengths and weaknesses. His weaknesses were that he is non-chalant, about rehab, practices and meetings, and sometimes lacks focus. His upsides were he is very fast, he can go over the middle or go deep, he's young, and he has YAC ability.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 28, 2006, 07:13:05 PM
Bobby Hebert covers the Saints in NO. He's either a radio guy or a local analyst. Hebert said he likes the deal a lot for the Eagles. He just gave Stallworth's strengths and weaknesses. His weaknesses were that he is non-chalant, about rehab, practices and meetings, and sometimes lacks focus. His upsides were he is very fast, he can go over the middle or go deep, he's young, and he has YAC ability.
Didn't you just post that a few minutes ago?
More of Donte's myspace friends...
Titans FB Troy Fleming (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=74013590)
Joe Horn (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=88274345)
I haven't heard one thing mentioned about this trade on Monday Night Countdown or SC. I don't get it at all, if it was another team like the Skins or Girls this would be a pretty big story.
ESPN is probably too busy blowing Brett or Carson.
How can you not love the way Brett plays the game, though?
LOOK AT HIS FEET!!
LOOK.
AT.
HIS.
FEET!
Where's that damn John Deere lawn tractor?
Whose feet?
HIS!
Somewhere, Paul Maguire will be screaming that tonight.
That was his favorite line when he was in the booth with Joey Leg and Mr. Overexcitement Mike Patrick.
You know....ESPN still hasn't removed that goddamn scoreboard from the middle of the screen. What fargstick in Bristol came up with that idea? And can't they see how goddamn annoying that is?
Adam Schefter on NFL Network said the condition for the pick isn't whether or not he re-signs but how much playing time he gets this year.
Oh and he also said the Saints are using our pick to try to get Donnie Edwards.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 28, 2006, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 28, 2006, 07:13:05 PM
Bobby Hebert covers the Saints in NO. He's either a radio guy or a local analyst. Hebert said he likes the deal a lot for the Eagles. He just gave Stallworth's strengths and weaknesses. His weaknesses were that he is non-chalant, about rehab, practices and meetings, and sometimes lacks focus. His upsides were he is very fast, he can go over the middle or go deep, he's young, and he has YAC ability.
Didn't you just post that a few minutes ago?
Someone asked what Hebert was up to these days.
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Pinkston (I know, I know)
Avant
Lewis/McCants
I think McCants stays because they like him better on ST. Gaffney is gone.
Quote from: MDS on August 28, 2006, 07:43:48 PM
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Pinkston (I know, I know)
Avant
Lewis/McCants
I think McCants stays because they like him better on ST. Gaffney is gone.
You know? that dude is going on IR or back to Mississississississisiippi unemployed, IMO.
It comes down to Mr. Softee or Darnerian. Unless they roll with 6. Either way I think Gaffney is gone too
If Schefter was right, how much playing time do you think he'd have to get for it to turn from a 4th to a 3rd?
Probably something that he'll eclipse by Week 8, IMO.
Unless...you know what? I'm not even going to say it.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 28, 2006, 06:52:27 PM
McNabb switched to Rosenhaus and has demanded a new contract. Reno switched too, but nobody has heard anything about a holdout from him.
Hey, why wasn't this front page news on CF?
BTW, Donte compared to the others we coveted this offseason:
Rank Player Team Rec Yds Avg TDs Long
21 Deion Branch NE 78 998 12.8 5 51
24 Donte' Stallworth NO 70 945 13.5 7 43
36 Ashley Lelie DEN 42 770 18.3 1 56
(2004 - 3) Javon Walker GB 89 1382 15.5 12 79
(2004 - 51) Todd Pinkston PHI 36 676 18.8 1 80
Better than Lelie, arguably as good as Branch. Regardless, one hell of an upgrade over Pinky. :yay
I am amazed this thread is so short, considering this is a player that everybody seems very excited about.
How long does everyone think it will take to make an impact and will he play in the next preseason game?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 28, 2006, 08:22:43 PM
I am amazed this thread is so short
:CF was down for the first 1/2 hour after he was signed and again a bit later.
Quote from: hunt on August 28, 2006, 05:21:22 PM
very good trade! :yay andy must've undergone testicular augmentation surgery.
:-D
looks to be a decent WR core now,
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Avant
McCants
Greggy Poo
i think Shefter is wrong though about playing time. I think the Eagles wouldnt trade a 3rd unless they could resign him to a long term deal. Anyone know what the Eagles FO have left to spend this year?
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on August 28, 2006, 08:56:24 PM
Anyone know what the Eagles FO have left to spend this year?
think, Fort Knox
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on August 28, 2006, 08:56:24 PM
Anyone know what the Eagles FO have left to spend this year?
Plenty, thanks to their big deal with RazorGator.
RazorGator money doesn't count towards the cap.
Actually, Banner found a loophole to make it count. He's that good.
Go Banner!
Quote from: General_Failure on August 28, 2006, 09:04:08 PM
Go Banner!
<tapping fingers>Ehhhhhhhxcellent.</tapping fingers>
Im so happy I cant post on the EMB right now. After the Eagles traded for Stallworth, everyone acts as if trades will happen every day now.
Stupid shtein such as:
1) WR still below average. Get Rogers, McCareins, or Koren.
2) Need to trade for backup SLB now, because Simoneau obviously will be missed as part of the SLB depth chart.
3) Eagles will trade for Donnie Edwards
And finally, why the farg does everyone that joined the EMB in like late 05 comment on the Urlacher shtein? They werent even there when it started.
Really, I dont understand why I go there anymore.
The first line of every article about this trade starts with an utterance of he who shall not be named.
F'n media whore's can F'n suck it!
Quote from: Phanatic on August 28, 2006, 09:53:08 PM
The first line of every article about this trade starts with an utterance of he who shall not be named.
F'n media whore's can F'n suck it!
Tell us how you really feel phanatic.
I'm happy with this trade. I haven't read all the threads yet. I suppose he becomes the Eagles' #1 by default?
As long as he can learn the offense well enough.
For now, all he's gotta do is stretch the field. Those are the easy routes to learn.
Stretch the field and do some slant patterns. Both easy routes to learn. I don't think it will take long for him to get very involved.
Stretching the field and running a couple of slants doesn't make him a #1, however. A starter, granted...but not #1.
my first chance to post, Friggin awsome pickup. I still am in disbelief. i want the F/O to get him signed up long term. That hood rat on his myspace makes 75-100k? I think i need a divorce and need a sugar momma
so does he play fri?
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on August 28, 2006, 10:56:06 PM
Stretching the field and running a couple of slants doesn't make him a #1, however. A starter, granted...but not #1.
Reggie Brown is the #1. Stallworth will be a very good #2. Maybe not week 1, but I think he'll get to play a good deal week 1.
So what does this do for Baskett Hystteria?
Baskett will still be the #2 when Stallworth's hamstring comes completely out of his body in Week 4.
Oh good, I'm not the only one expecting him to go on IR during the season.
I tried to add him on myspace, but he requires you to know his last name or email. I tried Stallworth but it didn't work....
I found Hank Baskett though and he accepted me haha.
(http://www.seahawks.com/ConPics/Con2889/HamlinHawk0908.jpg)
Well, at least we know he can take a hit. Too bad he didn't hold onto the ball though. But he didn't shy away from contact after getting crushed like that.
one thing this trade will do is take some heat off the front office for the hideous gaffney signing...woulda been ugly had they not got anyone and ended up cutting the one addition they did make to the wr corps
Hater.
for life
So, riddle me this... where would you rate Stallworth as compared to ARE? How about Brandon Lloyd?
if healthy i like him much better than either...but i like two better than one...and i like to get my players on march 28 as opposed to aug 28...i love me me some donte tho...hes my sinorice moss that ive been calling for
Comparing him to a 2nd round rookie riddled with injury isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
big time playmaking ability....burner....athletic ect and all that good stuff
but you knew that
I'm not sure that I've chimed in here, but I figured I'd let you all know that my level of excitement over this trade is completely disproportionate to Stallworth's actual level of talent. He's a good #2 but I'm friggin giddy about this trade. He's a huge upgrade over Pinkston, even when Pinkston is healthy, and he has more speed than any receiver I can remember on this team.
The thing that I like the most about this pickup, though, is that his presense should help Brown have a better year. In the long run, that's going to be just as important as anything Stallworth actually does.
Schlereth, guesting on Mike & Mike, just compared the Stallworth acquisition to the skins' trade for Santana Moss last year. He said that Stallworth is young enough and talented enough that you could see him break out a la Moss for the Eagles this year.
Obviously, that's a best-case scenario IMO, but that would be nice.
He's a good #2 but I'm friggin giddy about this trade. He's a huge upgrade over Pinkston, even when Pinkston is healthy
i can make you even more happy about it...hes a even bigger upgrade over the guy hes really replacing....hank baskett
the eagle receivers were unbearably slow before this trade...they needed an athlete on the outside in the worst way...now they have a wr that the defense has to actually worry about...if stallworth gets no numbers he will still be worth the trade as it really helps reggie brown by taking pressure off him....now he has a legit nfl receiver on the other side...not someone they traded billy mcmullen for
and thats really all anyone needs to know about their wr's was that before this trade hank baskett was their #2!!!....obviously thats beyond pathetic...this trade is most important because it pushes scrubs like baskett/lewis/gaffney to the more tolerable 3 and 4 slots...
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 08:33:35 AM
this trade is most important because it pushes scrubs like baskett/lewis/gaffney to the more tolerable 3 and 4 slots...
I think there's very little question at this point that it pushes Gaffney to the unemployment line.
Locks:
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Avant
Likely:
Lewis - Donovan still likes him, and he has some value as a #4 on a deep throw. Change of pace from the likes of Avant and Baskett, who are more physical.
McCants - Has been excellent on special teams and has more value in the red zone than Gaffney.
Fringe:
Bloom (IR, probably) - Not ready to play football yet.
Pinkston (maybe also IR, maybe just cut) - Might never re-gain his speed again.
Gaffney - Failed to distinguish himself at all and lost his job to an undrafted rookie.
first time i could get on the board since this news broke, and at first i was happy but the more i think about it i'm leaning towards estatic...
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 08:33:35 AMi can make you even more happy about it...hes a even bigger upgrade over the guy hes really replacing....hank baskett
...and that's why
Press Conf / Eagles Live at 11:15
i wonder if andys gonna talk more about how the steelers rolled their coverage over to pinkys side to take him out of the game the other night
I doubt he'll bother keeping up the charade any longer.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 09:41:45 AM
i wonder if andys gonna talk more about how the steelers rolled their coverage over to pinkys side to take him out of the game the other night
I don't think he meant the whole game. I was at the game & on the play he referenced, Pinkston did draw the coverage away from Lewis. I watched Pinkston the whole time & thought they were going to go deep to him, when the coverage pulled off once they saw Lewis running free.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2006, 08:45:32 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 08:33:35 AM
this trade is most important because it pushes scrubs like baskett/lewis/gaffney to the more tolerable 3 and 4 slots...
I think there's very little question at this point that it pushes Gaffney to the unemployment line.
Locks:
Brown
Stallworth
Baskett
Avant
Likely:
Lewis - Donovan still likes him, and he has some value as a #4 on a deep throw. Change of pace from the likes of Avant and Baskett, who are more physical.
McCants - Has been excellent on special teams and has more value in the red zone than Gaffney.
Fringe:
Bloom (IR, probably) - Not ready to play football yet.
Pinkston (maybe also IR, maybe just cut) - Might never re-gain his speed again.
Gaffney - Failed to distinguish himself at all and lost his job to an undrafted rookie.
agree completely, and yes its pretty sad that a rookie, an undrafted rookie could pick up the offense faster than a guy who has been in the league for a few years
If the team is looking to seriously compete for a SB THIS YEAR (which I'm not sure they are ready for) I'd honestly like to see Lewis get the boot, Baksett be the number 4 and Gaffney play the slot. I doubt seriously that that will happen since Andy loves his project players (Baskett) but experience in the slot would make me happier than watching some undrafted free agent cut his teeth out there. If they are gearing up for a run next year, let Baskett get experience.
I think you'll see Avant in the slot more than anyone.
I'd honestly like to see Lewis get the boot, Baksett be the number 4 and Gaffney play the slot.
i agree...i still have faith in gaffney and think it would be a mistake to cut him...id keep gaffney over baskett and/or lewis
Spadaro reporting that Stallworth has passed his physical. Simoneau is scheduled to land in NO at 11:30, and Stallworth cannot practice with the team until Sims passes his physical.
Also, he says Heckert will detail how the deal went down during tonight's "Daily Eagle". Sure.
the crazy thing is my boy talked to Heckert yesterday about his CC right before the deal was announced.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 29, 2006, 11:25:38 AM
the crazy thing is my boy talked to Heckert yesterday about his CC right before the deal was announced.
credit card?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 08:29:21 AM
I'm not sure that I've chimed in here, but I figured I'd let you all know that my level of excitement over this trade is completely disproportionate to Stallworth's actual level of talent. He's a good #2 but I'm friggin giddy about this trade. He's a huge upgrade over Pinkston, even when Pinkston is healthy, and he has more speed than any receiver I can remember on this team.
The thing that I like the most about this pickup, though, is that his presense should help Brown have a better year. In the long run, that's going to be just as important as anything Stallworth actually does.
Yep.. that's what it's all about. Gives our guy Reggie a better chance to shine... which in turn, makes Stallworth all the more dangerous. No "dominant" WR out there, but 2 very solid guys at the top of the depth chart and some young guys who have (now, an even better) chance to grow into good contributors in the passing game. Once Stallworth gets back up to speed... we should have a pretty solid corps.
As far as picking up the playbook... Spads brought up an interesting point in one of his articles that could mean that he won't have as steep of a learning curve as we originally thought.
QuoteOne challenge for Stallworth is that he will have to learn a new offense for the second time since the end of last season. Stallworth was learning a West Coast system under new head coach Sean Payton in New Orleans. Now, he will have to adapt to the West Coast style run by head coach Andy Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2006, 11:29:37 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 29, 2006, 11:25:38 AM
the crazy thing is my boy talked to Heckert yesterday about his CC right before the deal was announced.
credit card?
Yeah. sorry bout that. We abreviate everything here at work.
Did he go over his $200,000 limit?
Let's hope Dante' takes Joe Horn's parting comments to heart:
Quote"The positive thing I gave Donte was, "You get to Philadelphia, you grab Donovan and tell him that you are there to work,' " Saints three-time Pro Bowl receiver Joe Horn told reporters covering the Saints in Metarie, La.
"In this league you don't have to go there to make friends. You go there to do your job and people have to respect you. That's what you want to do. Sooner or later you'll meet friends, but right now you have get down there and learn that playbook. And make plays, and let Donovan and let coach Reid know you're there to take care of business.
"It didn't pan out for Donte. It's like I told him before he left, the world's not over. You still have an opportunity to go to a hell of an organization, down in Philadelphia with Donovan, a great football coach and a winning history. You have an opportunity to shine. You have an opportunity to show what you're really worth."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2006, 06:56:02 PM
So what number will Mr. Stallworth be wearing?
83? Only if Fast Greggie is cut - and I think he stays now.
87? Is We Todd Did done?
80? Byebye Jabar?
14? I hate WRs wearing numbers in the teens
13? Ed's boy Bill Campbody will give it up soon.
16?
17?
18? Possible
19?
And he will be wearing #18.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 29, 2006, 12:32:32 PM
Let's hope Dante' takes Joe Horn's parting comments to heart:
Quote"The positive thing I gave Donte was, "You get to Philadelphia, you grab Donovan and tell him that you are there to work,' " Saints three-time Pro Bowl receiver Joe Horn told reporters covering the Saints in Metarie, La.
"In this league you don't have to go there to make friends. You go there to do your job and people have to respect you. That's what you want to do. Sooner or later you'll meet friends, but right now you have get down there and learn that playbook. And make plays, and let Donovan and let coach Reid know you're there to take care of business.
"It didn't pan out for Donte. It's like I told him before he left, the world's not over. You still have an opportunity to go to a hell of an organization, down in Philadelphia with Donovan, a great football coach and a winning history. You have an opportunity to shine. You have an opportunity to show what you're really worth."
Further, overkill proof, that athletes are farging morons. The possibility that Stallworth would need to hear such pat, obvious, cliched advice is very real, and very atrocious. farging simps. Shut up and play, goddamnit.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2006, 12:45:01 PM
And he will be wearing #18.
#18....distant memories of Ben Hawkins sprinting downfield and leaping for passes. I like that association! ;)
Interesting. Did he wear #18 in college?
Nope. He wore #4 there/
I'm wondering which player to believe here. Should we believe Horn who suggests that Stallworth is an underachieving head case or Darren Howard who suggests he's a talented player with a solid work ethic?
I'm further wondering why Joe Horn would open his big mouth at all considering the types of things he supposedly said to Stallworth seem to be the kind of things you keep private.
Whatever. When the rubber hits the road, we'll see what Donte's all about.
Where does Horn suggest Stallworth's a headcase? We all know the questions around him, but Horn's comments just seemed little more than wanting him to make a good impression.
youre reading that totally different than i am romey...to me horn is praising him...almost to the point of being over the top...he sounds as if his wife just left him...
he also said this yesterday about donte...
Horn told the Associated Press. "He has talent and it wouldn't shock me at all to see Donte' catching 10 or 15 passes a game from Donovan McNabb, but it didn't happen here in New Orleans and that's the sad part. They got a hell of deal."
If anything, I think Horn was even more positive about Stallworth than was Howard.
Reading is fundamental, Rome.
If anything, I think Horn was even more positive about Stallworth than was Howard.
mos def...its so bad that ill bet the saints are none to happy with how over the top he has been in praising a just traded player
i think what joe horn really meant was "I hope he eats a bad peice of sushi and shteins himself on national TV"
Stallworth is now on the practice field, indicating that Simoneau passed his physical and the trade is final.
Press conference with Stallworth at 3:15.
I was referring to the comments below.
Quote"It didn't pan out for Donte. It's like I told him before he left, the world's not over..."
I don't understand why Joe Horn would make comments like that if there wasn't a problem with Stallworth's frame of mind in New Orleans.
Yeah, he was complimentary about his abilities and all, but what would prompt him to say things like the world's not over and it didn't pan out for him in New Orleans if everything was hunky dory down there?
I was just curious was he would say something like that, that's all.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 02:32:07 PM
I was referring to the comments below.
Quote"It didn't pan out for Donte. It's like I told him before he left, the world's not over..."
I don't understand why Joe Horn would make comments like that if there wasn't a problem with Stallworth's frame of mind in New Orleans.
Yeah, he was complimentary about his abilities and all, but what would prompt him to say things like the world's not over and it didn't pan out for him in New Orleans if everything was hunky dory down there?
I was just curious was he would say something like that, that's all.
The way I see it, he said "It didnt pan out for Donte" because generally high picks dont leave a team after four years. And everything isnt 'hunky dory' down there, have you seen their team the past couple of years? Im sure tons of players would get out of there if the could.
And for what it's worth, I'm not the least bit concerned about him. I think he's a great pickup for the Eagles. I'm just curious why he would need "bucking up" or consolation from Horn considering he just got traded to the Eagles from the Saints.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 02:36:14 PM
And for what it's worth, I'm not the least bit concerned about him. I think he's a great pickup for the Eagles. I'm just curious why he would need "bucking up" or consolation from Horn considering he just got traded to the Eagles from the Saints.
Wouldn't it be a blow to your ego if you came into the league as the 13th overall pick and after your best season, you got traded for Mark Simoneau and a 3rd or 4th round pick? Horn's just looking out for the guy.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2006, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 02:36:14 PM
And for what it's worth, I'm not the least bit concerned about him. I think he's a great pickup for the Eagles. I'm just curious why he would need "bucking up" or consolation from Horn considering he just got traded to the Eagles from the Saints.
Wouldn't it be a blow to your ego if you came into the league as the 13th overall pick and after your best season, you got traded for Mark Simoneau and a 3rd or 4th round pick? Horn's just looking out for the guy.
That's the impression I got. "Working out" would have been the Saints awarding Stallworth a huge new contract this year...
Of course it would. But like Dio offered earlier, it's pathetic that a professional athlete would have to be coddled in any way, shape or form if he got traded, especially considering he's going from the Saints to the Eagles.
Only one team could have their fans go from excitement to thinking the player will be a bust in under 24 hours.
Who said anything about him being a bust?
He's a headcase! He's going to cry and not do good! And stuff!
Cut Rome.
Jerome99: You're reading into Horn's comments WAY too deeply. WAY.
GCobb is apparently watching practice and slobbing Stallworth's knob on WIP.
Donte's lining up with the 2nd team in the X position for now.
i would think this has to change things regarding how much Donovan plays on Thursday
I'm not worried about how much Donovan plays Thursday. The Jets game is Friday.
Cobb on Stallworth: "Looks like he's been here the whole camp"
He apparently also won't shut up about the physical specimen Stallworth is.
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 29, 2006, 02:54:32 PM
i would think this has to change things regarding how much Donovan plays on Thursday
espeicially since the game is friday
OMG!!1!1!!, you totally Gotted me!32#!1@2~`esc!1!
Not like it matters, but I wonder if he'll keep #18 or take a # in the 80's when someone is cut. Or even make an offer for Lewis' #83.
I'm not reading into anything. I asked a question. Sorry to bother everyone.
He's going to wear a new number every week. Two different ones during the bye.
you didn't bother me Rome, i'm all good here.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 29, 2006, 02:57:31 PM
Not like it matters, but I wonder if he'll keep #18 or take a # in the 80's when someone is cut. Or even make an offer for Lewis' #83.
He'll wear 78 after Bunkley's cut.
Would anyone like to summarize what Stallworth had to say at his news conference?
I was doing some actual work at the time and missed it.
Just chiming in since I was without access yesterday. Great deal; and I'd much rather have Stallworth than Lelie. Excellent work. And let's be realistic-- Stallworth doesn't have to be a superstar, he just has to be a legitimate NFL receiver to make this a win for the Eagles. Anything more than that is icing on the cake. Fragile ego, or not, the Eagles are better today than they were yesterday morning.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 03:57:34 PM
Would anyone like to summarize what Stallworth had to say at his news conference?
When asked his reaction when he found out he was being traded to the Eagles:
"WWoooooaahahhhaahooooaeeeeeeeeee!!!" (very loud and very gay)
He also spoke of "an intimate moment" he shared with Joe Horn before he left New Orleans.
Otherwise, it went well, and he was surprisingly well-spoken. He talked trash about Tennessee beating Donovan/Syracuse his freshman year on the Vols, though. He'll probably be cut.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2006, 12:45:01 PM
And he will be wearing #18.
Of course. His college number was 4. He's been in the league for 4 years. 4x4=16. This is his second team. 16+2=18. Simple math really.
On a Dallas board some guy said "Im not worried about Stallworth on the Eagles, what does he do better than Jamaica Rector?" After that quote, I looked up Jamaica Rector and it turns out he's a Dallas WR going into his 2nd year. He was undrafted last year out of Northwest Missouri State and didnt play in a single game.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2006, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 03:57:34 PM
Would anyone like to summarize what Stallworth had to say at his news conference?
When asked his reaction when he found out he was being traded to the Eagles:
"WWoooooaahahhhaahooooaeeeeeeeeee!!!" (very loud and very gay)
He also spoke of "an intimate moment" he shared with Joe Horn before he left New Orleans.
Otherwise, it went well, and he was surprisingly well-spoken. He talked trash about Tennessee beating Donovan/Syracuse his freshman year on the Vols, though. He'll probably be cut.
Please do me an immense favor and kill yourself with any available sharp object.
Thanks.
Everything I said was true except for the part about him being cut.
He kept patting his helmet with a big grin on his face.
He also literally said he thinks he looks good in green.
Anyone other than these two fargtards? Please??
Quote from: Zanshin on August 29, 2006, 04:01:47 PM
Just chiming in since I was without access yesterday. Great deal; and I'd much rather have Stallworth than Lelie. Excellent work. And let's be realistic-- Stallworth doesn't have to be a superstar, he just has to be a legitimate NFL receiver to make this a win for the Eagles. Anything more than that is icing on the cake. Fragile ego, or not, the Eagles are better today than they were yesterday morning.
Agreed on everything you said. If he posts numbers anywhere close to last year then this trade will have been a steal for the Eagles.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 04:12:20 PM
Anyone other than these two fargtards? Please??
Oh, did you want actual football info from the press conference?
He said he estimates he already knows about 60% of the playbook due to his previous WCO experience.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 03:57:34 PM
Would anyone like to summarize what Stallworth had to say at his news conference?
I was doing some actual work at the time and missed it.
Nothing important. He says he knows about 60%-70% if not more of the offense already.
Said the situation in NO was blown out of proportion.
Said he knows some of the guys on the team already.
Said he'll do whatever it takes to help the team. Long passes, short passes, whatever.
It was pretty short and that was about it.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 29, 2006, 04:15:10 PM
Said he knows some of the guys on the team already.
I'd imagine the top 3 Eagles corners faced him in college. Sheldon went to South Carolina, Lito went to Florida, and Hood went to Auburn. Those 3 colleges and Tennessee are all in the SEC.
Someone asked him if he knew _____ but I didn't hear who it was. Donte said he faced him and college and beat his team.
Did anyone hear who it was?
Look at the big brain on Dillen37!
Quote from: Fan_Since_64 on August 29, 2006, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2006, 12:45:01 PM
And he will be wearing #18.
#18....distant memories of Ben Hawkins sprinting downfield and leaping for passes. I like that association! ;)
64,
Has anyone worn #18 since Hawkins? Still one of my favorite players of all time.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 29, 2006, 04:19:47 PM
Someone asked him if he knew _____ but I didn't hear who it was. Donte said he faced him and college and beat his team.
Did anyone hear who it was?
He was talking about Joe.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 29, 2006, 04:19:47 PM
Someone asked him if he knew _____ but I didn't hear who it was. Donte said he faced him and college and beat his team.
Did anyone hear who it was?
Donovan. As I've already said.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
Agreed on everything you said. If he posts numbers anywhere close to last year then this trade will have been a steal for the Eagles.
He won't have numbers anywhere near the numbers he had last year. But he won't have to to help this offense.
heckert on wip:
dante will play primarily outside for a while as they dont want to overload him with the offense at this point...down the road they may work him inside
not sure if he will play vs the jets...wanna see how he picks up the offense in the next few days...either way tho he will not play much
wouldnt answer if he will return kicks but said its nice to know he can
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2006, 04:15:01 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 04:12:20 PM
Anyone other than these two fargtards? Please??
Oh, did you want actual football info from the press conference?
He said he estimates he already knows about 60% of the playbook due to his previous WCO experience.
Thank you. ;)
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
Agreed on everything you said. If he posts numbers anywhere close to last year then this trade will have been a steal for the Eagles.
He won't have numbers anywhere near the numbers he had last year. But he won't have to to help this offense.
what the hell are you saying?
As is the case with most press conferences, the gayness outweighed the actual football content easily.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
Agreed on everything you said. If he posts numbers anywhere close to last year then this trade will have been a steal for the Eagles.
He won't have numbers anywhere near the numbers he had last year. But he won't have to to help this offense.
no shtein, he wore 83 for the saints, and now he's wearing 18.
pay attention, jackass.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on August 29, 2006, 04:53:51 PM
what the hell are you saying?
I'm saying that he won't have 1000 yards or anywhere close to it for the Eagles this year. I thought that was obvious. All he has to do is catch 50-55 passes and stretch the field and he has helped this team.
over under yards for donte
850
OVER!!
spot on 850
its called an over under for a reason
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 05:02:18 PM
its called an over under for a reason
Ever heard of a "push", bra?
yeah but ive never heard of an over under or push?
ok, he's going to have 854 going into the Atlanta game, then he's going to catch a WR screen and get tackled for a 4 yard loss.
so, over, then push.
That's hott.
Speaking of screen passes, I think Stallworth would be perfect for screen passes. He's got the speed and quickness.
Under. 700 or so.
I say 750-800. So under.
I'll say around what he got last year, so over. I think he's really going to blossom with McNabb, this offensive line, and the other weapons around him.
Yeah but you're an idiot, so your opinion doesn't count.
I'm thinking at least 950, so obviously, over.
So he'll get AT LEAST an many yards as he's had in his BEST season and MORE yards than any non-T.O. WR has EVER had under Andy Reid?
Makes perfect sense. I suppose Reggie Brown will have 1800 and 29 TDs, right? Right?!
Ugh...
Cram a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger, fargwad.
I'm hoping he gets that many yards more than anything else. And if you weren't such a cynical douchebag who takes a dim view of every farging thing, you'd be doing the same thing.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
I suppose Reggie Brown will have 1800 and 29 TDs, right? Right?!
Now you're talkin'!
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
So he'll get AT LEAST an many yards as he's had in his BEST season and MORE yards than any non-T.O. WR has EVER had under Andy Reid?
Makes perfect sense. I suppose Reggie Brown will have 1800 and 29 TDs, right? Right?!
Ugh...
You need some (http://www.pharmacyseek.com/images/meds/ritalin.jpg)
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 29, 2006, 07:13:57 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
So he'll get AT LEAST an many yards as he's had in his BEST season and MORE yards than any non-T.O. WR has EVER had under Andy Reid?
Makes perfect sense. I suppose Reggie Brown will have 1800 and 29 TDs, right? Right?!
Ugh...
You need some gay picture
"Yay! Someone is bickering with RJS! I'll pile on!"
Not quite Bunk, you don't rate.
It started with me and rjs, so if anything else TexasEagle piled on.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 29, 2006, 07:19:02 PM
It started with me and rjs, so if anything else TexasEagle piled on.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 06:55:39 PM
Yeah but you're an idiot, so your opinion doesn't count.
I was talking about RJS and Rome. See above.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
So he'll get AT LEAST an many yards as he's had in his BEST season and MORE yards than any non-T.O. WR has EVER had under Andy Reid?
Makes perfect sense. I suppose Reggie Brown will have 1800 and 29 TDs, right? Right?!
Ugh...
No, RJS, that's Baskett.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 29, 2006, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
So he'll get AT LEAST an many yards as he's had in his BEST season and MORE yards than any non-T.O. WR has EVER had under Andy Reid?
Makes perfect sense. I suppose Reggie Brown will have 1800 and 29 TDs, right? Right?!
Ugh...
No, RJS, that's Baskett.
:-D
That was money, Geo. :yay
Hank Baskett is going to break all of Jerry Rice's all time recieving records..............by week 10.
dante is infinitely better than reggie...the question is will his talent overcome reggies experience in the system...i say yes
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 10:57:12 PM
dante is infinitely better than reggie...the question is will his talent overcome reggies experience in the system...i say yes
Quite a bold statement or are you just joking again?
how is that bold...reggie is not uber talented like dante...reggie is a solid guy that is improving...but his talent will never equate to what dantes is now
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2006, 07:03:37 PM
Cram a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger, fargwad.
I'm hoping he gets that many yards more than anything else. And if you weren't such a cynical douchebag who takes a dim view of every farging thing, you'd be doing the same thing.
Wow. So a bit of realism means I should kill myself and that I'm a cynical douchebag. Funny how most other people on this board consider me to be pretty middle-of-the-road. You obviously can't handle a little rain on you erectio.. er, parade.
Stallworth won't get 1000 yards and doesn't need to to help this team. Stop over-reacting when I make fun of your homerism or stop biting my style in your posts. Make a choice.
lol at other heads realizing romeys flu like homerism
the word 'wow' should never follow a romey post...hes on par with or a quarter notch below easy in the spadaro brothel pool
so umm is the majority of the board going to keep bitching at each other till the season starts?
I see no reason for the bitching to stop at that point. Seems sort of arbitrary.
...I need to sponsor a new player...
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 11:06:21 PM
how is that bold...reggie is not uber talented like dante...reggie is a solid guy that is improving...but his talent will never equate to what dantes is now
Im not riding the Reggie Brown express...never was....but to say that he will never equate to Stallworths talent is a little overhyping the man
Reggie Brown has alot to prove and can improve with receivers around him that can catch the ball and move the chains. Now that he has "some" help, he surely can reach Stallworths totals in given time if he blossoms
just trying to figure how you can come up with that prediction.....
under. not confident... maybe a few more...not much. it's back to spreading the ball around and hitting defenses in all areas.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
So he'll get AT LEAST an many yards as he's had in his BEST season and MORE yards than any non-T.O. WR has EVER had under Andy Reid?
Makes perfect sense. I suppose Reggie Brown will have 1800 and 29 TDs, right? Right?!
Ugh...
You make it sound impossible. The guy's only 25... it's not like his best years are already behind him. He could very well be on the upswing as far as his numbers go. New team, new attitude... huge upgrade in QB. All these could help him towards that mark.
He's also more talented and physically gifted than any no T.O. WR to ever play under Andy Reid. Don't see how that could be so hard to outdo Thrash, Pinky, Na Brown, Freeman, etc. That's far from a high bar to jump over.
I'm not saying he's a lock to get 1000 yds or some shtein like that, but it's crazy to sit here and say he
can't.
1000 yards is not that much anyways. It averages out to 62.5 yards a game (if he plays 16).
I think he'll put up 800+ though.
Quote from: Eaglez on August 29, 2006, 11:25:47 PM
...I need to sponsor a new player...
No one called Stallworth yet.
P.S. The Saints team *got* to meet with President Bush yesterday. I wonder if Simoneau got in on that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 11:06:21 PM
how is that bold...reggie is not uber talented like dante...reggie is a solid guy that is improving...but his talent will never equate to what dantes is now
I agree, but you said better, not talented. As far as talent goes there probably very few WRs in the league that have as much as Stallworth.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 30, 2006, 12:47:03 AM
You make it sound impossible. The guy's only 25... it's not like his best years are already behind him. He could very well be on the upswing as far as his numbers go. New team, new attitude... huge upgrade in QB. All these could help him towards that mark.
He's also more talented and physically gifted than any no T.O. WR to ever play under Andy Reid. Don't see how that could be so hard to outdo Thrash, Pinky, Na Brown, Freeman, etc. That's far from a high bar to jump over.
I'm not saying he's a lock to get 1000 yds or some shtein like that, but it's crazy to sit here and say he can't.
My point, which most of you understand I'm sure, is not that it's impossible, but that someone who claims he'll have 'at least' 950 yards is simply getting over-excited about this trade. What reasonable person would assume that ANY WR would get over 1000 yards in this offense? Stallworth isn't T.O. fellas.
The net difference between Simoneau's and Stallworth's salary:
"At $820,000 once Simoneau was off the books, the Eagles got Stallworth at a significant discount."
So, it's more impressive that they gave up the draft pick than the money. That said, it would be quite nice if they were able to extend Stallworth's deal to get more money on the books for the 2006 cap year.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2006, 08:20:28 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 30, 2006, 12:47:03 AM
You make it sound impossible. The guy's only 25... it's not like his best years are already behind him. He could very well be on the upswing as far as his numbers go. New team, new attitude... huge upgrade in QB. All these could help him towards that mark.
He's also more talented and physically gifted than any no T.O. WR to ever play under Andy Reid. Don't see how that could be so hard to outdo Thrash, Pinky, Na Brown, Freeman, etc. That's far from a high bar to jump over.
I'm not saying he's a lock to get 1000 yds or some shtein like that, but it's crazy to sit here and say he can't.
My point, which most of you understand I'm sure, is not that it's impossible, but that someone who claims he'll have 'at least' 950 yards is simply getting over-excited about this trade. What reasonable person would assume that ANY WR would get over 1000 yards in this offense? Stallworth isn't T.O. fellas.
Hell, I think if he gets 600-700 yards this year that is very good season consdering he has had no time in camp with this team.
His name is Donte'. Not Dante. Thanks.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 30, 2006, 09:01:42 AM
Hell, I think if he gets 600-700 yards this year that is very good season consdering he has had no time in camp with this team.
Agreed. And more importantly, 600-700 yards is more than enough to help the offense because he'll still be out there spreading the field for everyone else.
http://www.dontestallworth.com/ds-intro.swf
(The new intro on Donte's webpage... and it's actually an accent over the e, not an apostrophe after, Dio.)
Good to see Donté in Eagles green. He'll be a big help to the team. Could he be the difference in the Eagles returning to prominence this season?
I dont give a farg he gets 500 yds. Just score a decent amount of TD's and spread the ball around like the usual offense does
screw yardage---its all about TD's always has been
Who will have more yardage, Brandon Lloyd or Stallworth?
You're right. With their kick returning game, they should never have to go more than 5-10 yards to score a TD.
as has been stated, yards are irrelevent, it's the other things he brings to the offense that make this team better before he even steps on the field.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 30, 2006, 09:52:53 AM
Who will have more yardage, Brandon Lloyd or Stallworth?
Barring injury, there is roughly a 90% chance that Stallworth will have more yardage than Lloyd.
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2006, 10:47:25 AM
as has been stated, yards are irrelevent, it's the other things he brings to the offense that make this team better before he even steps on the field.
Thats the key. It will free up Westbrook and LJ just by having Stallworth out there and having to be accounted for.
lotta speed out there now when Westbrook flanks out with LJ and Stallworth. But thats only if LJ can hold onto the friggin ball
Stallworth will pretty much be unstoppable now that the Eagles went out and got a QB to throw to him.
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I saw his picture on PE.com today and I instantly thought he looks just like Flavor Flav without the clock and viking helmet.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 11:09:51 PM
lol at other heads realizing romeys flu like homerism
the word 'wow' should never follow a romey post...hes on par with or a quarter notch below easy in the spadaro brothel pool
How is predicting 950 yards for Stallworth being a homer?
I suppose that you suggesting that Sean Taylor is the best safety in the NFL makes you a taterskins homer, right?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2006, 05:15:14 PM
How is predicting 950 yards for Stallworth being a homer?
Could be because he's only even approached that number ONCE in his career and that was on a team that basically only threw to 2-4 players per game. On a team the regularly spreads the ball to 5, 6 and 7 players you think he'll get AT LEAST a career high in yards? Please.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2006, 05:19:17 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2006, 05:15:14 PM
How is predicting 950 yards for Stallworth being a homer?
Could be because he's only even approached that number ONCE in his career and that was on a team that basically only threw to 2-4 players per game. On a team the regularly spreads the ball to 5, 6 and 7 players you think he'll get AT LEAST a career high in yards? Please.
That's where you're wrong. All the recievers and runningbacks are strictly decoys now. Every pass is getting thrown to Donte. And if McNabb fargs up and throws it to someone else, Donte will go steal it back from them and then stab DMac when they get back to the huddle.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2006, 05:19:17 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2006, 05:15:14 PM
How is predicting 950 yards for Stallworth being a homer?
Could be because he's only even approached that number ONCE in his career and that was on a team that basically only threw to 2-4 players per game. On a team the regularly spreads the ball to 5, 6 and 7 players you think he'll get AT LEAST a career high in yards? Please.
He also had Aaron Brooks throwing to him. He also did so on a zesty team that bounced around like vagabonds all last season.
Is expecting him to catch 60 yards per game as the de facto #1 receiver really so unreasonable? Again, he accomplished that last year with Joe Horn (albeit in a limited capacity) and he did so as the #1 guy after Horn got hurt.
You're completely ignoring everything I just said, aren't you?
THIS COACH/QUARTERBACK/TEAM TAKE PRIDE IN SPREADING THE BALL AROUND. THAT IS WHY THE ONLY PLAYER WHO EVER BROKE 1000 YARDS IN THE OFFENSE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER WHO HAD HIS OWN BOOK OF PLAYS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR HIM. NO ONE ELSE HAS CRACKED 1000 YARDS OR 950 OR 900 FOR THAT MATTER. AND NOW THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT IN A NON-SUPERSTAR PLAYER WHO HAS NEVER HAD 1000 YARDS, IS ALWAYS HURT AND HAS ONLY CRACKED 900 YARDS ONCE, HE'S GOING TO SOMEHOW GET 1000 YARDS THIS YEAR?
Everyone wants to believe that this trade will work out well, and I think it will, but jesus put a collar on it.
I'm still looking for the part where you hate the guy. You must have said it, otherwise you wouldn't be discussing it in circles for so long.
I don't hate him. I farging love this trade. But having a realistic outlook on things is a much better way to go through life.
From what I can tell, if/when ROME got married he assumed that he would start having more sex, that his wife would lose weight and that she would suddenly enjoy anal/threesomes/coldcut-spankings or whatever other nonsense he's into. Assuming that the best possible outcome for everything is exactly what will happen is assinine.
So why do you hate him?
Because he's tall.
You short bastich.
I'm 5'11", but anyone taller than me gives me the willies and probably needs to die. Right now.
Great. You can sit here and talk all day with MDS and PhillyGirl. :yay
Wait. Um, shtein.
Im 5'11" but I know you dont give a farg.
Not sure why anyone would think 900 or so yards is out of the question with stallworth. i wouldn't put money on it, but it's really not all that much. it just seems to be a massive number since we don't ever have any good WRs.
shtein, westbrook and pinky both had about 700 yards 2 years ago, and that was with TO there.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 30, 2006, 05:49:54 PM
Great. You can sit here and talk all day with MDS and PhillyGirl. :yay
I hear Bunkley78 is only 4'9", but he'll probably have a growth spurt when he hits puberty. Does that count?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2006, 05:40:42 PM
You're completely ignoring everything I just said, aren't you?
THIS COACH/QUARTERBACK/TEAM TAKE PRIDE IN SPREADING THE BALL AROUND. THAT IS WHY THE ONLY PLAYER WHO EVER BROKE 1000 YARDS IN THE OFFENSE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER WHO HAD HIS OWN BOOK OF PLAYS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR HIM. NO ONE ELSE HAS CRACKED 1000 YARDS OR 950 OR 900 FOR THAT MATTER. AND NOW THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT IN A NON-SUPERSTAR PLAYER WHO HAS NEVER HAD 1000 YARDS, IS ALWAYS HURT AND HAS ONLY CRACKED 900 YARDS ONCE, HE'S GOING TO SOMEHOW GET 1000 YARDS THIS YEAR?
Everyone wants to believe that this trade will work out well, and I think it will, but jesus put a collar on it.
BOO AOL ALL CAPS TYPE
Hooray! Beer!
The reason that most receivers on the Eagles haven't gotten 950 yards in the past is because they've sucked.
Stallworth doesn't suck. He's an elite player. He's a veteran. He's playing with McNabb now instead of a stiff like Aaron Brooks. The fact that the Eagles have weapons like Westbrook, L.J. Smith & Reggie Brown means that he won't face doubleteams all the time, so he'll have ample opportunties to make big plays.
All that leads me to believe that he'll reach the modest total of 950 yards this season.
I'm not saying he'll have 1,400 yards receiving. That would be ludicrous. I'm saying that 60 yards per game from a receiver who is projected to be the #1 guy and who also has more speed and talent than any other receiver in the Reid era (other than Owens) isn't unreasonable.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 30, 2006, 05:56:18 PM
Not sure why anyone would think 900 or so yards is out of the question with stallworth. i wouldn't put money on it, but it's really not all that much. it just seems to be a massive number since we don't ever have any good WRs.
shtein, westbrook and pinky both had about 700 yards 2 years ago, and that was with TO there.
Preposterous. Stallworth will never catch 60 yards per game in this offense!
:-D
He's an elite player?
An elite player who has never had 1000 yards? Or 9 TDs? Yeah. Sounds really elite.
He's a good player with a ton of talent who will help this team tremendously, and if he cracks 1000 yards I'll be happy as a pig in shtein, but give me a break with all of this. Part of the reason its so unlikely is the very same reason that both pinkston and westbrook had 700+ two years ago. This team spreads the wealth. I don't for one second see how any of this adds up to Stallworth having the best year of his career.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2006, 06:11:06 PM
An elite player who has never had 1000 yards? Or 9 TDs? Yeah. Sounds really elite.
He's improved a shteinload every single year for the last 3 years. That's the only logic I see in that, he could be elite based on his progression. He sure as hell isnt elite now.
I'm still holding out for five guys with 600 yards or more this season. That, I think, is doable.
A player who has never had 1000 yards receiving
+ A team that has only had one receiver reach 1000 yards (the best receiver in the league)
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1000 yard season for said player.
Obviously.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 30, 2006, 06:18:47 PM
I'm still holding out for five guys with 600 yards or more this season. That, I think, is doable.
I dont think that'll happen unless the 3rd WR does well when they play the majority of the snaps in the first couple of weeks before Stallworth starts the entire year.
Brown, Smith, Stallworth and Westbrook will all probably be between 600-900.
Split the difference, give me 300 from Baskett and our second TE.
How is predicting 950 yards for Stallworth being a homer?
the prediction isnt homerish its the person saying it...i happen to think he will get 1000 yards this year...for some reason tho when you say it its like the boy who cried wolf...you can tell me youre not saying it because youre a homer but i dont believe it
Hey, Rome, you better damn well hope he gets double teamed. That's his farging job, to clear out the underside for Westbrook and LJ. If he can't blow past the CB, and get a S attention, he's useless.
Hopefully, he catches a bunch early, they start to account for him, and the other stuff opens up for Westbrook and LJ. That will force defenses to play everyone honest, which is good for everyone. He doesn't need to catch 9 TDs and 1000 yards to accomplish this. He just has to attract a safety.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 30, 2006, 07:21:36 PM
He doesn't need to catch 9 TDs and 1000 yards to accomplish this. He just has to attract a safety.
The voice of reason!!!
Regardless how it pans out, I'm sure the Texans are reworking their thinking a bit. The 9-guys-in-the-box plan is no longer the starting point for defending the Eagles. Stallworth WILL attract attention, if not double teams right away, and that was NOT going to happen without a reciever of his caliber.
I just wish work hadn't blocked this site. fargers.
Time to switch jobs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2006, 06:41:53 PM
How is predicting 950 yards for Stallworth being a homer?
the prediction isnt homerish its the person saying it...i happen to think he will get 1000 yards this year...for some reason tho when you say it its like the boy who cried wolf...you can tell me youre not saying it because youre a homer but i dont believe it
Why am I a homer and you're not? Oh, that's right. I know why. You're a "real" fan, cos you down & shtein, right, Ott?
F'ing fraud.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 30, 2006, 06:10:47 PM
He's an elite player?
He's got elite talent, G_F. He's big, he's fast as hell and he's got the opportunity to become a star with the Eagles because of Donovan and the talent surrounding him on the Eagles.
Jesus Christ, Stallworth isn't elite. It's ludicrous to even discuss the idea.
He's a #2 receiver. A pretty good one. Elite is 1400 yards, teams gameplanning specifically for you, and the team selling your jersey for more than one year.
Donte Stallworth eliteness will be overshadowed by Hank Baskett's eliteness.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 30, 2006, 07:48:32 PM
He's a #2 receiver. A pretty good one. Elite is 1400 yards, teams gameplanning specifically for you, and the team selling your jersey for more than one year.
I believe he has the talent - speed, size, hands, work ethic and quarterback - to be exactly that with the Eagles.
Why is it so unreasonable on my part to expect excellent things from him? I went from saying that 950 yards is perfectly attainable to suggesting that he's an elite player (meaning talentwise) who could be an excellent, front-line #1 receiver for the Eagles.
I'm merely suggesting a possible progression that could take place based on his talent.
I could predict mediocrity for him like seemingly everyone else is if you like. Would that be better?
Rome your not way off on the yardage prediction or your assessment. The Saints were gross last year with everything that went on, with an unhealthy Horn to RB--passing their asses off finishing games. They were forced to pass the ball because they were always down come 4th Q.
Stallworth played very well last year with Horn (who was out the majority of games) on and off the field, and with WR's D Henderson, Hilton and Hakim. He did it against good defenses down the stretch (NE--76yds, 2TD's--Carloina--102 yds/TD) as well. Brooks was spreading the ball around alot to his receivers if you go back to the box scores and look at his attempts.
So, if the point is the EAGLES spread the ball around too and have unspectacular receivers, there is no reason to think he cant achieve those numbers. We have no idea how these LB's are going to shake out, so we might be looking at the Birds down points come the 4th, and McNabb passing more than usual findig a consistenly open Stallworth who has been successful as a #1. Hes no Chad Johnson but:
he will be doing alot more as the season progresses than just going the Pinkston vertical...bet on it
Rome, you're missing the point. He's going to be a #2, whether you like it or not.
His job is to run really really fast, and draw the safety out, so Westbrook can abuse LBs.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2006, 08:21:06 PM
I believe he has the talent - speed, size, hands, work ethic and quarterback - to be exactly that with the Eagles.
Im not trying to shtein on your parade because that would be pretty gross, but he isnt very big and one of his knocks is inconsistent hands.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 30, 2006, 07:29:17 PM
I just wish work hadn't blocked this site. fargers.
Time to switch jobs.
The site's been down more than up during the day. You're being spared quite a bit of frustration, actually.
He's big
no hes not
His job is to run really really fast, and draw the safety out, so Westbrook can abuse LBs.
this is a large oversimplification of his skills...hes not pinky whos going to basically run go routes to lengthen the field....in fact stallworth is more of an underneath mid range pattern runner as opposed to a deep route runner that is gonna pull safties with him...id compare him to santana moss...a guy that can and will go deep but a guy that comes out of his cuts exceptionally quick and creates speration that way as opposed to merely outrunning people...imo he is best utilized on crossing routes and higher % throws as opposed to super deep routes
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2006, 09:18:06 PM
this is a large oversimplification of his skills...hes not pinky whos going to basically run go routes to lengthen the field....in fact stallworth is more of an underneath mid range pattern runner as opposed to a deep route runner that is gonna pull safties with him...id compare him to santana moss...a guy that can and will go deep but a guy that comes out of his cuts exceptionally quick and creates speration that way as opposed to merely outrunning people...imo he is best utilized on crossing routes and higher % throws as opposed to super deep routes
This might be the best overall specific analysis of a football player I've ever seen from you, and it proves you're a rotten liar about watching no one but the Eagles.
However...
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2006, 09:18:06 PM
id compare him to santana moss
Homer!
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 30, 2006, 09:24:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2006, 09:18:06 PM
this is a large oversimplification of his skills...hes not pinky whos going to basically run go routes to lengthen the field....in fact stallworth is more of an underneath mid range pattern runner as opposed to a deep route runner that is gonna pull safties with him...id compare him to santana moss...a guy that can and will go deep but a guy that comes out of his cuts exceptionally quick and creates speration that way as opposed to merely outrunning people...imo he is best utilized on crossing routes and higher % throws as opposed to super deep routes
This might be the best overall specific analysis of a football player I've ever seen from you, and it proves you're a rotten liar about watching no one but the Eagles.
However...
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2006, 09:18:06 PM
id compare him to santana moss
Homer!
I dont think it had anything to do with not watching anybody else but the Eagles. Christ, you can see the highlights on espn w/out watching a Saints game in full to see what kind of catches Stallworth made into TD's...they surely werent just vertical TD's
Id love to know who came up with the assessment that Dontes only job is to run very fast and attract a safety and the Eagles will do just fine. Thats the corniest thing I ever heard.
and when he does that, the great Reggie Brown will have a stellar year? yeah, because thats how you beat NFL defenses....
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2006, 08:21:06 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 30, 2006, 07:48:32 PM
He's a #2 receiver. A pretty good one. Elite is 1400 yards, teams gameplanning specifically for you, and the team selling your jersey for more than one year.
I believe he has the talent - speed, size, hands, work ethic and quarterback - to be exactly that with the Eagles.
Why is it so unreasonable on my part to expect excellent things from him? I went from saying that 950 yards is perfectly attainable to suggesting that he's an elite player (meaning talentwise) who could be an excellent, front-line #1 receiver for the Eagles.
I'm merely suggesting a possible progression that could take place based on his talent.
I could predict mediocrity for him like seemingly everyone else is if you like. Would that be better?
the eagles will have home field wrapped up after 14 games and he sits the the last two games. that's why i suggested he'd be close to 750 yards. if he plays all 16...yeah...950 may be attainable.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 30, 2006, 07:54:04 PM
Donte Stallworth eliteness will be overshadowed by Hank Baskett's eliteness.
Ah, excuse me. Timmy Chang.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 30, 2006, 07:23:07 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on August 29, 2006, 11:25:47 PM
...I need to sponsor a new player...
No one called Stallworth yet.
They have now.
Team Stallworth is fully operational and ready to go.
I call sponsorship of no knees Davis after Buckhalter blows out his knees sometime in the near future.
Quote from: Flyin High on August 30, 2006, 10:24:10 PM
the eagles will have home field wrapped up after 14 games and he sits the the last two games. that's why i suggested he'd be close to 750 yards. if he plays all 16...yeah...950 may be attainable.
Kill yourself.
so, just to clarify, Stallworth sucks or he's the greatest thing since lesbo porn?
More like one or two big games he has or doesn't have will make the difference between what the "homers" think he'll do this year and what the "Negadelphians" think he'll do this year, barring severe injury.
Homers:
AT LEAST 950 yards
7-8 TD's
Negadelphians:
NO MORE THAN 850 yards
4-6 TD's
It's worth fighting over! ALL OF YOU FIGHT ME NOW!!! Throw down! WAR !infnv3h9w8ha
i think i'm a nega-homer, i'm thinking 6-7 TD's and 900 yards.
Quote from: T_Section224 on August 31, 2006, 09:57:05 AM
i think i'm a nega-homer, i'm thinking 6-7 TD's and 900 yards.
Middle ground is not allowed. Try again.
Put me down for homer if those are the choices. I'm hopeful about Stallworth.
I'm hopeful as well. I think that even if his numbers are more like 700-750 yards and 4 TD's, he'll still be better than any #2 receiver this team could have hoped for from within the previous ranks, and his presence on the field will pump up the numbers of McNabb, the running game, and the TE's.
From a historical standpoint, TO is the only WR under Reid who has had atleast 900 yards receiving in a season. Before that it was Irving Fryar in 1997. Consider some things:
- that Reggie Brown is supposed to be the future of the Eagles WR's.
- that Reid has vowed to run the ball more this year.
- that Reids offense is based on spreading the ball around
- that Westbrook and LJ Smith are going to catch a lot of passes.
Considering factors like the aforementioned it would seem unlikely that Stallworth would hit 900 yards receiving. Not impossible, but not probable IMO.
All reasonable points. But I'm living in a fantasy land right now where the result of everyone getting the ball means a drastic increase in overall team production that could see a WR with 900+ yards. When Stallworth stretches the field, LJ gets the ball. Then the D worries more about LJ and Stallworth gets the ball. Then Westbrook gets the ball. Everyone wins in this best of all possible worlds I'm living in right now.
What I am actually hoping for is that Brown and Stallworth basically come out neck and neck for the title of "#1 WR". If they roll coverage to or double Stallworth, Brown eats them up, and vice versa. I am really hoping that without the pressure, by season's end, Brown has really come on, and establishes himself as a solid #1 option.
In terms of how well statisically Stallworth will do, I think the fact that McNabb will have so many options with Brown, LJ, Westy, the Showboat, the ball will be spread around so much that Stallworth will have decent, but not spectacular numbers. I think 800 yards and 6-8TDs would be awesome.
The real effect Stallworth will make is, all of the other guys on the field will be open more often, and will have more room to make a big play.
I like the signing also...IMO it will take him a month (4 games) before he gets significant game reps ::)
It only takes 63 yds/game to reach 1000 yds. Stallworth can't get that?
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 31, 2006, 10:17:59 AM
It only takes 63 yds/game to reach 1000 yds. Stallworth can't get that?
it's been discussed at length, NO HE CAN'T
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 31, 2006, 10:17:59 AM
It only takes 63 yds/game to reach 1000 yds. Stallworth can't get that?
sure, he could. If we take his career YPC he would need 70 receptions this year. If McNabb has 275 completions, Stallworth would get 25% of McNabbs completions. Decide for yourself if that is going to happen.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 31, 2006, 10:17:59 AM
It only takes 63 yds/game to reach 1000 yds. Stallworth can't get that?
It's not that he can't. It's simply unlikely that he will, all factors considered.
I've got an idea...
How about instead of arguing about whether the dude gets 800 yards or 1000+ yards we just be happy that they got a good receiver.
You call this arguing?
Not so much today...yet.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2006, 10:29:20 AM
I've got an idea...
How about instead of arguing about whether the dude gets 800 yards or 1000+ yards we just be happy that they got a good receiver.
Who's side are you on? Homer.
just talkin, not arguing Phreak. Now go sell your McMullen Jersey. ;D
Billy Mac!
Sheldon Brown on the trade (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=54393)
Quote"We said goodbye to three players who I've played with for my entire career -- Mark Simoneau, Todd Pinkston and Koy Detmer. Mark and I were especially close, and our wives are great friends, so I can honestly say I cried when I found out he was traded. Nobody works harder than Mark. He was a big piece of our defense and our special teams.
Quote"I also understand that to get a player of Donte' Stallworth's caliber, you need to give up a good player. I think Donte' is going to be a big-time help to our offense. He is a big-play maker, and as a defensive back I can tell you that you always have to respect the kind of speed he brings to the field. He is fast and physical and he'll go out there and get after it.
"I've said this before: I liked the receivers we had. We didn't have that speed guy, per se, but we had some good, young receivers who are going to make some plays. Now, with Donte', I think this is an outstanding receiving corps. This is going to be a tough offense to figure out and to stop.
That popping sound you just heard was RJS's head exploding when he hears about Sheldon crying.
He was crying with rage. That's okay.
what a vadge
Sheldon's blog rates higher on the annoyingly homertastic scale than does "On The Inside". that is incredibly accurate.
Crying is all the rage on the D after Dawkins' embarrasing display.
you berate Dawkins and defend Pinkston. You need the 6 foot bong today dio.
I knew that would get you. He cried like woman, it was unsettling. And Pink blew the play before he dodged the hit. Sorry if you don't like it.
It's unsettling for you to witness a person crying over their passion for what they do, yet it is not unsettling for a WR to bitch out for fear of getting hit ala Ricky Watters. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
Either that or try to kill one another.
I vote for trying the killing.
Lemme get a beer first.
anyone want to put up a wager?
Quote from: T_Section224 on August 31, 2006, 11:29:18 AM
anyone want to put up a wager?
I got $50 on MURP, unless weapons are allowed.
I've never met Dio.
But I've met MURP. He's scary. And crazy. I vote MURP.
I vote Dio
i'll take that bet Murp
Quote from: MURP on August 31, 2006, 11:30:55 AM
I vote Dio
Throwing a fight to make money is fine, but here are some tips:
--Don't lose a fight to the death. That would make you dead.
--Use an intermediary to place the bet against you.
I've met Dio, he is much bigger than I. Plus he has Road Rash motorcycle violence skillz.
I'm a lover, not a fighter. Be afraid, little scruffy Parry-bear.
Quote from: MURP on August 31, 2006, 10:10:19 AM
From a historical standpoint, TO is the only WR under Reid who has had atleast 900 yards receiving in a season. Before that it was Irving Fryar in 1997. Consider some things:
- that Reggie Brown is supposed to be the future of the Eagles WR's.
- that Reid has vowed to run the ball more this year.
- that Reids offense is based on spreading the ball around
- that Westbrook and LJ Smith are going to catch a lot of passes.
Considering factors like the aforementioned it would seem unlikely that Stallworth would hit 900 yards receiving. Not impossible, but not probable IMO.
Considering these points has nothing to do with what Stallworth can accomplish because:
1) it doesnt matter whos declared what for the WR's, its about who gets open the most and who Donovan sees open to get the ball thrown to him. Stallworth will have that edge over Brown and you will see his role change big time
2) Reid vowed? lets see how the defense shakes out and what the score is come 2nd half before hes vows to anything. One injury to that backfield and McNabb has ice on his shoulder at the end of the game from throwing so much
3) The Saints offense was based on spreading it around too. The fact that McNabb is more efficient than Brooks only put Stallworth at MORE of an advantage of getting more yards because that means more completions
4) We had TO and Pinkston flying around last year and LJ wasnt a hero last year. A good year yes, but having West and LJ catching balls doesnt mean less yards for Stallworth. Every teams has a TE that catches balls and LJ is hardly the Gates/Gonzalez type to ge that many passes thrown to him
Anybody predicting this guy not getting to the 900 yd mark and catching 7-8 TDs is basically just trying to prove yourself wrong, so you can be filled with joy when he does. If thats what floats your boat...thats cool. It hardly means your being a homer...its very attainable
Saying it's impossible that he gets numbers like that is idiotic. Saying it's guaranteed is also idiotic.
Quote from: MURP on August 31, 2006, 11:37:08 AM
I've met Dio, he is much bigger than I. Plus he has Road Rash motorcycle violence skillz.
that's what i get for associating him with his avatar
I always thought Murp would look like Brian Dawkins.
Quote from: T_Section224 on August 31, 2006, 11:32:51 AM
i'll take that bet Murp
I'll take Dio. I've seen his picture & I bet he has crazy, serial killer strength like Hannibal Lecter.
i've since been corrected BM and will not take Dio myself.
back on topic, i can't wait to see Donte' on the field and i fully expect him to get somewhere between 0-1,400 yards and 2-10 TD's.
Quote from: reese125 on August 31, 2006, 11:40:10 AM
Anybody predicting this guy not getting to the 900 yd mark and catching 7-8 TDs is basically just trying to prove yourself wrong, so you can be filled with joy when he does.
lol. ok. First off I never said he wouldnt get it. I hope Stallworth has 1500 yards. I am simply sharing specific reasons as to why I think it isnt probable for him to hit that mark. My reasons are clear and logical. You are getting all bent out of shape by that, why? And for your commments about LJ Smith... the guy led the team in receptions last season and was 6th in the NFL for passes thrown his way at the TE position. Do the research and then do the arguing.
0 yards and 2 TD's would be quite an achievement.
didnt Bettis have something like that at one point?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 31, 2006, 11:52:43 AM
0 yards and 2 TD's would be quite an achievement.
gimick play, he runs them in
Quote from: MURP on August 31, 2006, 11:54:13 AM
didnt Bettis have something like that at one point?
Yeah, it was during the first 4 or 5 weeks of the 2004 season. Duce had been carrying the load and racking up a bunch of yards and Bettis was getting the goal line carries. I think one game he got tackled for a loss and ended up with 3 carries, 0 yds and 2 tds.
Quote from: MURP on August 31, 2006, 11:54:13 AM
didnt Bettis have something like that at one point?
One game he had like 5 carries, 3 yards and 3 TDs.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 31, 2006, 11:41:42 AM
Saying it's impossible that he gets numbers like that is idiotic. Saying it's guaranteed is also idiotic.
agree, never a guarentee in anything
So to sum up this thread:
It was a good trade for the Eagles and you're all idiots for having 19 pages of the same argument over and over over. Now kill yourselves, all of yous.
Skeet skeet bitches!
Quote from: MURP on August 31, 2006, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: reese125 on August 31, 2006, 11:40:10 AM
Anybody predicting this guy not getting to the 900 yd mark and catching 7-8 TDs is basically just trying to prove yourself wrong, so you can be filled with joy when he does.
lol. ok. First off I never said he wouldnt get it. I hope Stallworth has 1500 yards. I am simply sharing specific reasons as to why I think it isnt probable for him to hit that mark. My reasons are clear and logical. You are getting all bent out of shape by that, why? And for your commments about LJ Smith... the guy led the team in receptions last season and was 6th in the NFL for passes thrown his way at the TE position. Do the research and then do the arguing.
Hey MURP, not getting bent out of shape one bit ,and I apologize by pinpointing your facts there to make an example out of you. BUT, seeing your bullet points and everybody elses bashing of Rome99 to make a very attainable stat line was mind boggling
Its not hard to see trends and spikes in a players stat line each year. Hes either getting better or takes a turn for the worse. Stallworth is getting better each year and his numbers are showing it. A new team, system and QB-- yes can askew his numbers, but a more efficient, well coached system and QB can do wonders .
If he was going to the Bears, Ravens or Browns I would say everyone is right on, but McNabb is a passer and this guy can easily get those numbers because of his familiarity with the WCO.
this is collectively the worst thread ever composed.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 31, 2006, 12:15:56 PM
this is collectively the worst thread ever composed.
You are giving way too much credit to many other undeserving threads.
this thread is right in line with the Hank Baskett Hysteria thread....you feel better Wing? I didnt think so
This trade = great.
This site's users = idiots.
Lock. Delete. Ban. Drink.
No beer.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 31, 2006, 12:28:07 PM
This trade = great.
This site's users = idiots.
I disagree, dickhead...
This trade is nowhere near great yet.
So would it be in the Eagles best interest to use some of that cap to extend Stallworths contract now?
why? would you make a guy a manager at your job without seeing him work yet?
If they extend him now, guaranteed he blows his knee out in week one.
Quote from: MURP on August 31, 2006, 04:02:46 PM
So would it be in the Eagles best interest to use some of that cap to extend Stallworths contract now?
IIRC, they can use up 2006 cap room until some time in November... so I think they see how he does for a few games and then possibly start to talk about a deal with Rosenhaus.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 31, 2006, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on August 31, 2006, 04:02:46 PM
So would it be in the Eagles best interest to use some of that cap to extend Stallworths contract now?
IIRC, they can use up 2006 cap room until some time in November... so I think they see how he does for a few games and then possibly start to talk about a deal with Rosenhaus.
problem is the last word in the sentence, Rosenhaus, frauline of Hitler. He will command a kings ransom for Stallworth to stay there, they also need to extend Mike Lewis if he comes down off his crackhead notion that he is the #1 Safety in the NFL.
Eskin's saying New England wanted Stallworth too, but Simoneau was the difference.
Jay Glazer said the Pats had a 4th on the table.
Quote from: moats23 on August 31, 2006, 04:15:56 PM
Eskin's saying New England wanted Stallworth too, but Simoneau was the difference.
Eskin also thinks men look cool in fur jackets!
Quote from: moats23 on August 31, 2006, 04:15:56 PM
Eskin's saying New England wanted Stallworth too, but Simoneau was the difference.
:-D :-D :-D
I don't know why, but that just made me literally laugh out loud.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2006, 04:40:58 PMI don't know why, but that just made me literally laugh out loud.
i'm with ya, the thought of simoneau sealing the deal is pretty damn funny.
This is why I'm saying Greg Lewis might have more trade value than you think.
So, Urlacher?
Quote from: General_Failure on August 31, 2006, 04:57:50 PM
So, Urlacher?
Is there any doubt? We obviously need more white linebackers after trading Simoneau.
Quote from: moats23 on August 31, 2006, 04:15:56 PM
Eskin's saying New England wanted Stallworth too, but Simoneau was the difference.
The deal-maker was the Eagles upping the pick to a 3rd if they can sign him to an extension.
QuoteEagles made title move
Wednesday, August 30, 2006
BY MARK ECKEL
TIMES STAFF COLUMNIST
In an NFC East that was thisclose to begin with, the Eagles may have gone from the bottom to the top in one bold move.
Desperate for help at wide receiver, despite the insider's words that "everything was fine" and "to think back to 2003," the Eagles finally struck, and struck big time.
Acquiring wide receiver Donte' Stallworth from the New Orleans Saints in exchange for backup linebacker Mark Simoneau and a fourth-round pick, which could turn into a third-round pick, is the move the Eagles needed to make to compete with the Cowboys and Giants for the NFC East title.
It's the kind of move talk-show callers have pleaded for, and the kind of move the Eagles rarely make, especially for a wide receiver who wasn't the favorite of his head coach.
Hey, maybe the team finally is listening.
Stallworth is exactly what the Eagles' offense needed. He's a lot better than Ashley Lelie, who fans have clamored for since the draft, and who Denver traded to Atlanta for a third-round pick.
And he's a better fit for the Eagles than 5-foot-9 Deion Branch, who has been the receiver du jour, since New England said it would let the former Super Bowl MVP seek a trade until Friday.
In The Sporting News' Ultimate Scouting Guide, Stallworth is ranked 28th among all receivers. Lelie is 67th, while Branch is 20th.
The first words written about Stallworth are: "A deep threat with soft hands ... uses his speed and hands well to break the press. Isn't afraid of contact."
Stallworth, at 6-feet and 196 pounds, isn't the perfect build for Andy Reid's West Coast offense, but his size is good enough and his speed is what makes this trade so perfect. The guy can run, he can get deep, and he won't turn 26 until November, when the Eagles plan to be in first place in the division.
If there is a negative to him, it's that he missed eight games his first two years with injuries. But he's played in all 32 the past two years and is coming off his best season as a pro.
Now let's look at what the Eagles gave up for the player who can get them back to the postseason: Simoneau, who probably would have made the team because he's very well-liked and is good on special teams, can and will be replaced. It's just a matter of whether it's by Jason Short or Dedrick Roper. The fourth-round pick is no big deal.
It's not much. Really, it's nothing.
There is one sticking point to the trade, and that's why the fourth-round pick can become a third-round pick: Stallworth is in the final year of his contract.
The Eagles will get him cheap this year -- at $820,000, and that's assuming he reports without a new deal. Stallworth did not talk to the media yesterday, but will have a press conference today.
He is going to want a long-term deal and he's going to want the kind of money a player who caught 70 passes for 945 yards and seven touchdowns deserves. Those numbers mirror Branch's (78, 998, 5), and he's not willing to accept a deal worth $6 million a year from New England.
You know the Eagles don't like to overspend on wide receivers, so they may be renting Stallworth for a year. (If they do re-sign him, the fourth-round pick becomes a third-round pick).
If that's the case, it will have been worth it. Because that year now figures to be a lot better. Like from worst-to-first better.
Eckel gives the acquisition the kiss of death because he likes it.
QuotePaul Domowitch | Saint's bird-brained move nice for Eagles
by Paul Domowitch
IT'S HARD to quantify stupid, but dealing away a wide receiver the caliber of Donté Stallworth for Mark Simoneau and a conditional fourth-round draft pick is a pretty good place to start.
Yeah, Stallworth still might be on the ninth-grade side of immature. Yeah, he's in the final year of his contract. Yeah, he missed most of the Saints' offseason workouts making a turtle-slow recovery from arthroscopic shoulder surgery. And, yeah, he also missed the early part of training camp with a hamstring injury.
But giving him away for a special-teams player who you think can be your starting middle linebacker and a fourth-round pick? Are you serious?
If you're the Eagles, you're thanking God right now that there are people in the league as incompetent as Saints general manager Mickey Loomis and player personnel director Rick Mueller - people to whom you can turn when you realize, nearly too late, that Todd Pinkston is a wimp.
Throw in the fact that these two bozos also let Darren Howard waltz out of the Big Easy without a fight in the offseason and, well, Andy Reid and Tom Heckert might want to send them a nice thank-you gift if the Eagles make the playoffs, which is a much better possibility today than it was earlier this week.
"They just don't have a clue down there," an NFC personnel chief said. "I know they didn't think they were going to be able to re-sign him. But for crying out loud, you don't just give him away. This is a guy who caught 70 passes last season."
Two pro scouts, including one who works for another team in the NFC South and has seen plenty of Stallworth, both in person and on tape, feel he was a great pickup for the Eagles, even if they don't re-sign him beyond this season.
"I'm a big Reggie Brown fan, but they needed another legitimate guy on the other side who could keep defenses honest," the NFC South scout said. "They've got that now.
"Stallworth can run with anybody. He's a vertical receiver, a good route-runner. His hands have improved since he came in as a rookie. And I still don't think he's reached his peak yet."
Said the other scout: "Stallworth is a great yards-after-the-catch guy. He can take a 5-yard slant and turn it into a 20-yard gain. He can come underneath on a crossing route and just run away from people like they're standing still. Right now, with the exception of [Terry] Glenn and [Terrell] Owens in Dallas, they may have the best [wide receiver] tandem in the division.''
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 01, 2006, 10:21:18 AM
QuotePaul Domowitch | Saint's bird-brained move nice for Eagles
by Paul Domowitch
Said the other scout: "Stallworth is a great yards-after-the-catch guy. He can take a 5-yard slant and turn it into a 20-yard gain. He can come underneath on a crossing route and just run away from people like they're standing still. Right now, with the exception of [Terry] Glenn and [Terrell] Owens in Dallas, they may have the best [wide receiver] tandem in the division.''
Exactly ;D
Hopefully we can resign him. Guessing it won't happen until the deadline where they can count the signing against this year's cap, ala Akers and Westbrook last year.
Also, it works out better since if he underperforms or turns into the Stallworth of his rookie and 2nd year, then we can let the bum walk.
Did anyone claim him yet as their sponsor? If not, I'll take him.
Quote from: Eaglez on September 02, 2006, 03:18:21 PM
Did anyone claim him yet as their sponsor? If not, I'll take him.
Feva. You lose.
Since Gaffney is unemployed, I'll see who the Eagles pick up within the next week to see who I sponsor.
Since nearly half the team is on either the defensive or offenive line, chances are I'll pick one of the young guns, aka rookie FA's.
Thanks for the update.
awesome trade :yay :yay
resign lewis and stallworth, now. that is all.
Andy did say in his press conference today that Stallworth will start on Sunday. As I said all along.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 04, 2006, 03:28:59 PM
Andy did say in his press conference today that Stallworth will start on Sunday. As I said all along.
Thats because you are awesome.
Correct. I am super-awesome.
look at stallworth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrY2jkE3WzE&mode=related&search=
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on September 08, 2006, 10:45:57 PM
look at stallworth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrY2jkE3WzE&mode=related&search=
And then Carney missed the extra point. :-D
I was just impressed with how Stallworth was able to get rid of that tackler. It gets me even more pumped for Sunday.
This looks to be a pretty good move, I'd say. They should be talking contract with Rosenhaus tomorrow.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 10, 2006, 02:29:04 PM
This looks to be a pretty good move, I'd say. They should be talking contract with Rosenhaus tomorrowNOW.
Stallworth looks very good right now
He's on pace for 108 catches, 3968 yards and 32 touchdowns
I don't think he can keep that yardage pace.
he's ok
Quote from: General_Failure on September 10, 2006, 04:01:48 PM
I don't think he can keep that yardage pace.
So you think, what? 3850 yds?
Well, no. Baskett is bound to have his catches this season. He's got to take away at least 1800 of those yards.
Well... I figured Baskett was gonna go for a good 6,000... so Stallworth as a solid #2 option could chip in with around 3,800.
They're not going to get that many yards with Reggie and Westbrook out there.
900 yards? unpossible!
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He doesn't have 900 yet.
900 is looking possible, but still a long ways to go.
760 over 15 games is gonna be tough.
did you hear? he's the anit-TO, because he wears 18 instead of 81!1!1! get it?11/11.~
Quote from: SunMo on September 10, 2006, 08:08:25 PM
did you hear? he's the anit-TO, because he wears 18 instead of 81!1!1! get it?11/11.~
I suppose that also means he's a heterosexual!!!a99!!cm!4hy3!!11!!sgijr!9!8d
Quote from: phattymatty on September 10, 2006, 04:35:20 PM
900 yards? unpossible!
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I said 1000 yards wasn't likely to happen. I'll stand by that until it does. Hell, I'll probably stand by it once he gets to 1000 just to be an ass.
Either way, to say I'm happy with his contribution today would be a bit of an understatement...
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I love it. His first game with Dmac and he has a career day. Isn't it something how a good wide receiver can make Dmac a better qb? ::)
....or maybe McNabb makes his receivers better......
He had a great game... against Houston. Let's not annoint him the Second Coming of Harold Carmichael just yet.
That said, it was a GREAT game. :yay
What really impressed me is that Stallworth gave a lot of credit to McNabb and said that he needed to make a few more plays and left some plays out on the field.
The one play I think he was talking about was that deep pass that he just missed. At first I thought he just dropped it, but once they replayed it, it would have been a very tough catch and he made a great adjustment just to have a shot at catching it. I just hope that if Stallworth keeps this up the FO resigns him by mid-year.
What really impressed me is that Stallworth gave a lot of credit to McNabb and said that he needed to make a few more plays and left some plays out on the field.
yeah he was super humble in the presser...i was impressed...he must have really taken joe horns advice to heart
well we can gauge what Stallworth's agent will be asking for with Deion Branch being traded and signed today:
Branch before the season, agreeing to a six-year, $39 million deal that would have paid him $13 million in combined bonuses and about $23 million in the first three years of the contract.
After seeing what the Seahawks gave up for Branch is there any doubt about the brilliance of this trade? Well done, front office.
theres really no comparison
the seahawks got a contract done with branch before the trade
had the eagles done the same with donte they would have given up a lot more than a 4th
in fact had a contract been required its most likely seattle or someone else....and not the eagles...would have gotten stallworth
Quote from: rjs246 on September 11, 2006, 03:10:47 PM
After seeing what the Seahawks gave up for Branch is there any doubt about the brilliance of this trade? Well done, front office.
Here Here. Plenty of cap space to get Stallworth and Michael Lewis done at the end of the year.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 11, 2006, 03:16:37 PM
HYPERBOLE
I can honestly say I have never see this word used as much as it is around here.
I suggest the word "ballyhoo" be added to the forums vocabulary, just so the gem that is hyperbole does not get tired.
Plenty of cap space to get Stallworth and Michael Lewis done at the end of the year.
this is true and IF they get him done then its a great trade...but thats a huge IF...especially after what branch got...no way the eagles cake off a wr like stallworth or any wr for that matter
even if they dont sign him tho its still a good trade
True. But if they don't re-sign him, they better win it all this year.
They obviously didn't like what they saw from him in the Texans game.
they are waiting for a game in which he drops 5 passes and fumbles the one catch he manages to pull in.
that way there is a better chance he'll sign for vet minimum
Reggie Brown blocked well and Greg Lewis made 3 key catches, so we'd be fine at WR without Stallworth.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 03:38:39 PM
Plenty of cap space to get Stallworth and Michael Lewis done at the end of the year.
this is true and IF they get him done then its a great trade...but thats a huge IF...especially after what branch got...no way the eagles cake off a wr like stallworth or any wr for that matter
even if they dont sign him tho its still a good trade
I disagree. If Stallworth produces for them all year... he gets paid. Plain and simple.
They threw out more than that for TO because they really wanted him... and I don't think they'll pass up the chance to lock up a
young, legitimate #1 WR approaching/at the prime of his career for this team if that's what Stallworth turns out to be. Kid is only 25. Still in that area where the Eagles like to invest their money.
They're not going to wait until the end of the season IMO - if he has a few more good weeks, they'll call up Drew.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 12, 2006, 08:02:17 AM
They're not going to wait until the end of the season IMO - if he has a few more good weeks, they'll call up Drew.
agreed.
I dont think the Eagles are calling up anyone. They'll string that decision along as long as possible-not in hopes that he gets injured--but if he does because hes known to--their covering their asses
but you also dont want a WR faking an injury because hes not getting paid, especially if hes contributing big time and not getting recognized
QuoteReggie Brown blocked well
good stuff
if dante stallworth doesnt wait for the end of the season and go on the open market hed be a total fool
unless
the eagles cake him somewhere btwn givens and branch money
which i suppose is possible but id be surprised
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2006, 08:45:20 AM
the eagles cake him somewhere btwn givens and branch money
which i suppose is possible but id be surprised
I think that if you look at Branch and Reggie Wayne, Stallworth will end up getting about 90% of their range on the open market if he stays healthy. That said, the reasons Rosenhaus was able to get TO thinking about a new ridiculous deal aren't as valid with Stallworth (ie: he's obviously not as inwardly unsure of himself and he's not currently locked into a decent, but team-beneficial deal). Keep in mind that getting it done this year would have the added benefit to Stallworth of a lot more dollars right away.
Basically, we knock Rosenhaus a lot, but he's not going to cost his guy a lot of money unless he stands to gain a lot later. One thing Drew likes are commission checks, so if they made Donte' a fair offer sooner, rather than later...
I'm not saying they can undercut him or get him on the cheap. But if they wait a few weeks to make sure the chemistry with McNabb keeps building, then they can make him a FAIR offer and get him done... and I think they'd prefer to do that under this year's cap.
Jim Rome will have Stallworth on his show today.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 03:38:39 PM
Plenty of cap space to get Stallworth and Michael Lewis done at the end of the year.
this is true and IF they get him done then its a great trade...but thats a huge IF...especially after what branch got...no way the eagles cake off a wr like stallworth or any wr for that matter
even if they dont sign him tho its still a good trade
just needs to be done by mid-November when monies to be counted towards this years cap disappears