:yay
NFL Network is behind?
awesome
For real?
I see nada
fargin outstanding.
wait a minute... i don't see shtein.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/2AhQrAZsojk
I hate you.
:-D
Excellent moves today. :yay
Two skill position players.
Please break the mold of the second round turds in The Reid Era, Shady.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 09:04:23 PM
NFL Network is behind?
NFLN has been awful all day. Of course, they were waiting patiently until someone officially announced the pick. Meanwhile, those jerks at ESPN announced the pick as soon as they knew, and then had a decent video package ready to go for that player.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/6IvvhjERrV0
I hate to say I told you so, but...
Is it to fargin much to ask for a quality BIG FARGIN RUNNING BACK
As much as I love Maclin this pick is way better!!!
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 25, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
Is it to fargin much to ask for a quality BIG FARGIN RUNNING BACK
Ugh..."big back" is a term that makes me vomit. Block well enough and they can pick up yards.
ESPN NEWS will have McCoy on in af ew minutes.
Drafting a top RB was a huge farging priority. Well done, dicks.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 25, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
Is it to fargin much to ask for a quality BIG FARGIN RUNNING BACK
Seriously ! this is way better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/5z5tuovPTqQ&feature=related
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2009, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 25, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
Is it to fargin much to ask for a quality BIG FARGIN RUNNING BACK
Ugh..."big back" is a term that makes me vomit. Block well enough and they can pick up yards.
How about a back that can move a pile in short yardage, wait farg it, we wouldn't run in short yardage anyway.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 25, 2009, 09:13:46 PM
Well done, dicks.
Do you mean the dicks on the Eagles or the dicks posting their pre-menstrual comments on CF?
birds got players named pimp and shady
new era!!?!?!??!!?
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 25, 2009, 09:17:11 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 25, 2009, 09:13:46 PM
Well done, dicks.
Do you mean the dicks on the Eagles or the dicks posting their pre-menstrual comments on CF?
Can't it be both?
It makes me physically ill that there are morons that would take a lesser player because of a label. Pure idiocy.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 25, 2009, 09:14:22 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 25, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
Is it to fargin much to ask for a quality BIG FARGIN RUNNING BACK
Seriously ! this is way better!
agree--you cant argue with trying to snag westbrooks replacement
It worked out great the last time they tried it.
Still, can't fault them for at least attempting to get better on offense. We can fault them later when these guys bust.
Quote from: jihadist monk on April 25, 2009, 09:18:31 PM
It makes me physically ill that there are morons that would take a lesser player because of a label. Pure idiocy.
What are you talking about?
hopefully this is a nice spell for 36, unlike booker, moats, ...
QuoteMcCoy has been favorably compared to Pittsburgh's Hall of Fame tailback, Tony Dorsett, who recently stated, "This is the first player who has come along who truly reminds me of me."
From that ESPNEWS interview, he reminds me of Buckhalter with a sugar buzz.
look test = MASSIVE pass
Who's the "big back" you want, mic?
Quote from: General_Failure on April 25, 2009, 09:23:29 PM
From that ESPNEWS interview, he reminds me of Buckhalter with a sugar buzz.
:-D I thought the same thing. Well, actually I was more interested in what kind of gum he was chewing.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 25, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
Is it to fargin much to ask for a quality BIG FARGIN RUNNING BACK
god, just shut up
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ejI-gUG_rhA&feature=related
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2009, 09:17:25 PM
birds got players named pimp and shady
new era!!?!?!??!!?
Eagles 2012... thugged out, and led by Andy Reid and Kevin Kolb.
are you kidding me...
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/890/432756.jpg)
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/36/367333.jpg)
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Camper/PHOTO/LESEANMCCOYACTION2150.JPG)
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05Q2d5U8Pg3iC/610x.jpg)
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/sioncampus/12/03/deans.list/p1_pitt.jpg)
(http://www.athlonsports.com/cfb_fantasy/imgs/shared/players/148.jpg)
You're pretty into dudes, dude.
He joins the list of Eagles RBs taken in the second round:
Charlie Garner (#42, 1994)
Siran Stacy (#48, 1992)
Anthony Toney (#37, 1986)
Perry Harrington (#53, 1980)
Cyril Pinder (#39, 1968)
Some memories there.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 25, 2009, 09:48:03 PM
You're pretty into dudes, dude.
when it comes to my football team you best believe
my bum is on your lips my bum is on your lips and if im lucky you just might give it a little kiss
And that's the message that we send to little kids.
Great pick, I'm surprised he fell
is he ok?
hurt his ankle pretty bad actually
he can't get up
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 09:22:51 PM
QuoteMcCoy has been favorably compared to Pittsburgh's Hall of Fame tailback, Tony Dorsett, who recently stated, "This is the first player who has come along who truly reminds me of me."
If his career is even half as good as Dorsett, I'll be forced to retroactively cream my pants over this pick.
So far I just have a stiffy...
He broke a few of Dorsett's records and Pitt has repeatedly hyped McCoy up in Pittsburgh area as being the new Dorsett. Thing is, Pitt is always looking for the next Dorsett, as their program is several decades removed from their glory days.
QuoteMcCoy, who hails from the same Harrisburg high school as Ricky Watters (Bishop McDevitt). In fact, in a conference call with reporters at NovaCare, McCoy said he talks to Watters "all the time." Asked if he knew what "for who, for what?" meant, McCoy said: "I don't know too much about that."
im pretty sure shady doesnt know much about anything cept hauling the rock
I likey this pick.
Rosenhaus is his agent. fun
get off rosenpenis' penis....hes actually a very good agent and is fairly easy to work with
not worried. Anyone not taken in the first round is pretty much locked into 4 years...
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 25, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
He joins the list of Eagles RBs taken in the second round:
Charlie Garner (#42, 1994)
Siran Stacy (#48, 1992)
Anthony Toney (#37, 1986)
Perry Harrington (#53, 1980)
Cyril Pinder (#39, 1968)
Some memories there.
Man, I loved Chuck.
I had the Kelly green #25 and midnight green #30. Too bad let let him go.
Ill never forget the 40-8 Niners game in 94'. He was such a beast in that game...
Yessir. He couldn't stay healthy when he was here. Went to SF and OAK and tore it up.
I remember after the Divisional round loss to Dallas after thumping DET in '95...I was in Dallas and was getting autographs as the players were gettin on the buses. Here comes Garner in a full pink pimp suit. Pink pants, pink jacket and pink overcoat with a black and pink hat. Funny shtein.
baileys crossroads FTW
victor?
Didn't Bailey go to Mizzou?
Maclin = Bailey?!?! :o
Strikingly similar to Freddie's pic in that Chicago school, no??
(http://www.stlmag.com/core/includes/phpThumb/phpThumb.php?src=/media/galleries/346/IMG_22201.jpg&w=378&q=100)
when chuck used to cross the arms after a td it was for the neighborhood he grew up in which was called baileys crossroads
All these years, and I never knew why he did that...I may have done it a few times too.
Vacchiano, a Jints beat writer, said on WFAN that they loved Shady and were gonna snatch him up at #60 had the Birds not drafted him.
The reason they drafted Garner was because of Kotite, he coached the Senior Bowl squad that Garner was on.
One of my best friends growing up is now Leron McCoy's best friend, every time we would see him (at the bar) we would try to tell him to convince Shady to go to PSU. I know I have mentioned it before, but Shady what maybe the best performance in district III playoff history. 4 games 1300+ and 13tds. I will say it again love this pick, this is a guy I got to watch his whole career so I for him to be an Eagle is an unbelievable thing to me.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 26, 2009, 02:46:59 AM
All these years, and I never knew why he did that...I may have done it a few times too.
They mentioned it a few times early in his career.
:yay :yay
mcshay and kiper picked their steals of the draft and mcshays was shady
on the same piece mcshay picked the giants as the team with the best draft
Odd considering McShay listed the Eagles and Packers as the two teams that did the best this weekend.
it's pretty cool that shady grew up a huge Eagles fan and he gets drafted by them
I figured Steelers
he grew up in Harrisburg and Andy said on ESPN that he was an Eagles fan growing up
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
he grew up in Harrisburg and Andy said on ESPN that he was an Eagles fan growing up
I'm farging excited about this pick. Good fit in this offense. He's the new Vince Papale
my college roomate grew up just outside of harrisburg and is an all philly fan except hes a monster steeler fan (hes also a douchebag)....that area is like 90% steeler fans 8% eagle fans and 2% taterskin (from when their training camp used to be in carlisle) so shady being an eagle fan was a brave stand a lone thing to do...then again his name is shady so i would expect nothing less
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 27, 2009, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
he grew up in Harrisburg and Andy said on ESPN that he was an Eagles fan growing up
I'm farging excited about this pick. Good fit in this offense. He's the new Vince Papale
Well, except he has more football talent in one of his teeth than Papale ever had. I'm not getting the comparison at all.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 09:13:13 AM
hes a monster steeler fan (hes also a douchebag)
Redundant.
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
he grew up in Harrisburg and Andy said on ESPN that he was an Eagles fan growing up
have to wonder if growing up in the footsteps of Ricky Watters had anything to do with that.
The character thing is overrated, unless you're completely nuts like Pacman, but the part about his fascination with Reggie Bush is borderline stalker/creepy:
Quote"Idolizes Reggie Bush and wears everything from his number to the placement of his hip towel, wristbands and eye-black with his number. May be a bit stronger between the tackles than Bush, but is not as fast and elusive. Similar to Bush prior to the 2006 draft, McCoy's character is suspect and could affect his value"
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2009, 09:18:11 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 27, 2009, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
he grew up in Harrisburg and Andy said on ESPN that he was an Eagles fan growing up
I'm farging excited about this pick. Good fit in this offense. He's the new Vince Papale
Well, except he has more football talent in one of his teeth than Papale ever had. I'm not getting the comparison at all.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 09:13:13 AM
hes a monster steeler fan (hes also a douchebag)
Redundant.
loved the team, got to play for them, I hope your family is sticken with Swine Flu
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2009, 09:19:31 AM
The character thing is overrated, unless you're completely nuts like Pacman, but the part about his fascination with Reggie Bush is borderline stalker/creepy:
Quote"Idolizes Reggie Bush and wears everything from his number to the placement of his hip towel, wristbands and eye-black with his number. May be a bit stronger between the tackles than Bush, but is not as fast and elusive. Similar to Bush prior to the 2006 draft, McCoy's character is suspect and could affect his value"
He probably can't wait for Sheldon to be traded... probably doesn't like him too much.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2009, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
he grew up in Harrisburg and Andy said on ESPN that he was an Eagles fan growing up
have to wonder if growing up in the footsteps of Ricky Watters had anything to do with that.
The character thing is overrated, unless you're completely nuts like Pacman, but the part about his fascination with Reggie Bush is borderline stalker/creepy:
Quote"Idolizes Reggie Bush and wears everything from his number to the placement of his hip towel, wristbands and eye-black with his number. May be a bit stronger between the tackles than Bush, but is not as fast and elusive. Similar to Bush prior to the 2006 draft, McCoy's character is suspect and could affect his value"
you have to question idolizing a guy who is basically the same age as you...wtf?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 27, 2009, 09:21:21 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2009, 09:18:11 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 27, 2009, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
he grew up in Harrisburg and Andy said on ESPN that he was an Eagles fan growing up
I'm farging excited about this pick. Good fit in this offense. He's the new Vince Papale
Well, except he has more football talent in one of his teeth than Papale ever had. I'm not getting the comparison at all.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 09:13:13 AM
hes a monster steeler fan (hes also a douchebag)
Redundant.
loved the team, got to play for them, I hope your family is sticken with Swine Flu
He's probably the first guy that rooted for the Eagles to play for them since Papale. And Harrisburg is basically Philly. And white guy with some speed who makes the team during open tryouts is totally a lot like a guy who was a blue chipper out of high school and a 2nd round pick.
Are you sure you don't already have the swine flu? It starts with the brain.
if you have one LOLOLOLOL!!
yeah, that's maybe the worst thing said, ever
Your sarcasm meters are busted, IGY and Sun.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 09:13:13 AM
my college roomate grew up just outside of harrisburg and is an all philly fan except hes a monster steeler fan (hes also a douchebag)....that area is like 90% steeler fans 8% eagle fans and 2% taterskin (from when their training camp used to be in carlisle) so shady being an eagle fan was a brave stand a lone thing to do...then again his name is shady so i would expect nothing less
you couldn't be more wrong, it is mostly Eagles fans. The Steelers fans have always been around but since they have returned to prominence they are coming out of the woodwork.
absolutely 100% not...it used to be more taterskin fans than eagle fans till they left...steeler fans dominate eagle fans up there...its not even close...been that way since the 70's...
IGY is correct, although the % of Eagles fans is probably more like 20-25.
At least if he pans out, we'll finally have the Real McCoy at RB.
What? :paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 10:18:17 AM
absolutely 100% not...it used to be more taterskin fans than eagle fans till they left...steeler fans dominate eagle fans up there...its not even close...been that way since the 70's...
Dude, you don't live there, how do you know this?
FF, neither do you.
one of my best friends grew up there...ill take his word over anyones
ive also been there to visit him many times...even lived with him one summer up there and worked at his dads roofing company...steeler gear is everywhere and rarely do you ever see any eagles shirts or jerseys
can we get some shirless pics of this "shady" person please?
i think i caught teh gay in the ingram thread.
I lived in Harrisburg twice growing up. Steelers fans definitely outnumber Philly fans but there are a fair number of people who root for both. Which is weird and unnatural and gay.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 27, 2009, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 10:18:17 AM
absolutely 100% not...it used to be more taterskin fans than eagle fans till they left...steeler fans dominate eagle fans up there...its not even close...been that way since the 70's...
Dude, you don't live there, how do you know this?
FF, neither do you.
Yeah, I don't have any family or friends in the area. None. None at all. You want to take a stand that there are more Philly fans than Pittsburgh fans in the Harrisburg area? Good luck with that.
Scintillating discussion on the fan percentages of Harrisburg, PA.
It's every bit as exciting as someone opening their door into your ride, sir.
I bet myself that you would make that comment. I win.
Quote from: hunt on April 27, 2009, 10:45:42 AM
can we get some shirless pics of this "shady" person please?
uh no....but this one looks kinda gay
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Camper/PHOTO/LESEANMCCOYACTION2200.JPG)
I love this pick.
LeSean McCoy is something of a boom or bust prospect. I'm not at all comparing these two players in terms of talent, but McCoy's running style reminds me a little of Barry Sanders - a lot of cutbacks, kicking it to the outside, stop and start on a dime, etc. Again, I'm not saying he's even remotely as talented as Barry (the best RB ever) but he does have that style of running. I don't know how that's going to translate at the next level.
On the other hand, McCoy's got great hands - he was probably the best screen back in the league - and really phenomenal vision. I know there were some complaints about his lack of elite timed speed. But anyone who's seen the tape knows McCoy more than makes up for it with tremendous acceleration - he's goes from zero to full sprint in a flash. McCoy's a really exciting player and probably the best fit for this offense - I'm really looking forward to seeing him in Eagles green.
he reminds me a lot of thomas jones
Reminds me a lot of Jesus. Yeah, I fargin went there. They drafted fargin Jesus.
Awesome! Anything is possible with God on your side! Super.Bowl.Champions
On September 23, 2007, the Eagles played the Lions at home, and the Steelers played the 49ers at home. FOX Harrisburg showed the Eagles game.
There are instances of it going the other way when it's late in the season and the Eagles game is bad. PIT and PHI both get a lot of primetime and late games and play in different leagues so the issue doesn't come up that often. I think they even get Ravens games vs. the PA teams sometimes if there's a huge difference in the quality of the games.
Incidentally, this year Week 3:
| CLE @ BAL | 1:00 PM | CBS |
| PIT @ CIN | 1:00 PM | CBS |
| KC @ PHI | 1:00 PM | CBS |
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 27, 2009, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 10:18:17 AM
absolutely 100% not...it used to be more taterskin fans than eagle fans till they left...steeler fans dominate eagle fans up there...its not even close...been that way since the 70's...
Dude, you don't live there, how do you know this?
FF, neither do you.
My ex-wife was from Shamokin, about an hour due north up route 11. I can tell you, from visiting there, if it was Eagles v. Steelers at 1PM, Eagles was blacked out (at least in the 90s).
I don't see how that matters one usually plays on CBS and one usually plays on Fox. I do know in this area if the Ravens and Steelers play at the same time there have been several instances where the Ravens were on TV and the Steelers weren't. Most Steelers fans I know don't care though it just gives them an excuse to go to the bar. Anyway I know nothing I have only lived in this area my entire life minus the last 3-1/2 years.
Well, DMF, I don't know. All I do know is I had to listen to Merrill on a walkman when I was in Shamokin.
This conversation is special.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 27, 2009, 09:43:47 PM
I don't see how that matters one usually plays on CBS and one usually plays on Fox. I do know in this area if the Ravens and Steelers play at the same time there have been several instances where the Ravens were on TV and the Steelers weren't. Most Steelers fans I know don't care though it just gives them an excuse to go to the bar. Anyway I know nothing I have only lived in this area my entire life minus the last 3-1/2 years.
this is directly from my man:
on the tv games:
usually like once a year the steelers game isn't on because we're geographically deemed a "Baltimore" market by the NFL because it's the closest NFL city. People go insane when that happens. the entire harrisburg area is actually "considered" a baltimore market by the NFL but that's definitely in name only. probably only like 10% ravens fans around here. But since eagles are on Fox and pitts/balt are on CBS there's never really a conflict. only time you really see it is if the steelers play an NFC team in Pitts, the game is on Fox. If the Eagles have a game on Fox at the same time, the Eagles will be shown because they are the "real" Fox team. with the ravens its weird though i think last year there were only 2 conflicts and pitts was on tv once and bmore was on the other time even though bmore is the "local" team according to the league. i know the nfl gets an astounding # of complaints from this area if pitts isn't on so i don't know if that affects the tv.
on the fan distribution:
def more Steelers fans around here. probably 85%-15% Steelers to Eagles. Right where i am in Carlisle it's way more Steelers but the farther east you get, starting around Hershey the gap closes significantly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 10:20:59 AM
on the fan distribution:
def more Steelers fans around here. probably 85%-15% Steelers to Eagles. Right where i am in Carlisle it's way more Steelers but the farther east you get, starting around Hershey the gap closes significantly.
real talk
makes sense, i am on the eastern side.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 10:20:59 AMusually like once a year the steelers game isn't on because we're geographically deemed a "Baltimore" market by the NFL because it's the closest NFL city. People go insane when that happens. the entire harrisburg area is actually "considered" a baltimore market by the NFL but that's definitely in name only.
I found out a little more. Harrisburg is considered a secondary market for
both the Ravens and the Eagles for purely geographic reasons. That means the Eagles and Ravens away games will always be shown... and they are subject to the blackout rules for the home games too.
The Harrisburg FOX channel is totally in the tank for the Eagles and shows the Andy Reid Show and everything. The CBS station basically shows the Steelers game anytime they are contractually allowed because the Steelers market is much bigger than the Ravens market. But technically they are a Ravens station.
If I have the situation right, Week 3 this year CBS will be contractually allowed to show whatever they would like at 1:00, and that will be PIT @ CIN... not CLE @ BAL or KC @ PHI.
The Steelers have won about 300 Super Bowls, so it's shocking, SHOCKING, I say, that there'd be more Steelers fans in Central PA than Eagles fans.
That's fine. It's not even Pennsylvania once you drive west of the Northeast Extension anyway.
farg those hicks.
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2009, 05:50:40 PM
The Steelers have won about 300 Super Bowls, so it's shocking, SHOCKING, I say, that there'd be more Steelers fans in Central PA than Eagles fans.
That's fine. It's not even Pennsylvania once you drive west of the Northeast Extension anyway.
farg those hicks.
Watch your mouth old man!
who wants those pennsultucky fargs anyway.
i know 2 people from harrisburgh, 1 likes pitts, 1 like the birds. but non philly people hate philly so of course theyll align with the team that wins/MA team.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 27, 2009, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 27, 2009, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2009, 10:18:17 AM
absolutely 100% not...it used to be more taterskin fans than eagle fans till they left...steeler fans dominate eagle fans up there...its not even close...been that way since the 70's...
Dude, you don't live there, how do you know this?
FF, neither do you.
My ex-wife was from Shamokin, about an hour due north up route 11. I can tell you, from visiting there, if it was Eagles v. Steelers at 1PM, Eagles was blacked out (at least in the 90s).
hahaha, shamokin represent. stupid farging coal miners and factory workers.
but yeah, that whole part of the start is definitely more pitt than philly. my mom has been living in danville for the last 15 years and i lived up there for almost 2 years in the late 90's and i was the only eagles fan i knew.
Does your girl live in Tonyville?
nah, she's quite literally off in her own little world. she's native american which means she's nuts. i think i'm just her way of pissing of her dad. running off with pale face and shagging him on the regular.
Why are you shagging her dad on a regular basis?
Just another way the white man has farged the injuns...
i love farging with her about it. seriously, it doesn't get much better than having a full blooded savage curled up on the couch with you while watching lou diamond phillips in young guns. i actually go out of my way to turn on old episodes of walker texas ranger now because that show often featured some of the worst indian dialogue ever. and john wayne movies never had as much comedic value to me as they do now.
Sarges indian name is Dances with MakersMark
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 29, 2009, 12:17:20 PM
Sarges indian name is Dances with MakersMark
i like it. one day my g/f asked me to come up with an indian name for her. so i called her Broken Rubber.Â
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/MCoy.html
Signed, sealed and delivered according to that.
Beautiful! Now start studying that Advanced Calculus, I mean eagles playbook. We're gonna need you.
He'll have plenty of time to study up after he blows out a knee in training camp.
:-D :-D wait a second, farg you!
QuoteLeSean McCoy Gets $1.72 Million Guaranteed
Posted by Mike Florio on July 1, 2009 9:29 PM
...the 53rd overall pick in the draft came away from the process with $1.72 million in guaranteed money.
Per a league source, McCoy received a signing bonus of $1.37 million, which represents a 10-percent increase over the signing bonus received by the 53rd overall pick a year ago, Jaguars defensive end Quentin Groves.
McCoy also will be eligible for a one-time incentive of $357,000, based on achieving playing time of 35 percent in his rookie year or 45 percent thereafter. (Other team and individual performance triggers apply.) The amount is guaranteed against skill and injury, via base salaries in the out years.
So, in all, it's a four-year, $3.47 million deal.
Westbrook goes out, McCoy lights it up.... number of years until McCoy complains about needing a new contract..... 1
Hmm...call me a pessimist but the vision I have is Westbrook goes out, McCoy stinks, and Moreno leads all rookie rushers.
Quote
Asked about coming to terms so quickly, Rosenhaus replied in an e-mail to the Daily News: "The Eagles deserve credit for being aggressive and fair.''
that rosenhaus guy sounds really nice. i bet he's a pleasure to do business with.
This kid had an awesome game last night - he could become something really special.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 03, 2009, 11:33:14 AM
that rosenhaus guy sounds really nice. i bet he's a pleasure to do business with.
Next question....
I'm driving the Shady Hype Wagon...
I loved the pick and he's been very good. I love the fact that he's not only a great receiver but he looks like he can pick up the blitzes
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2009, 12:16:12 AM
I'm driving the Shady Hype Wagon...
I loved the pick and he's been very good. I love the fact that he's not only a great receiver but he looks like he can pick up the blitzes
I right next to you, I loved watching this kid play since his days at Bishop McDevitt.
He looked great the other night. When you see guys play like that, you can't help but get fired up even if it's only one pre-season game. The kid has some serious moves. He runs like he's on ice skates.
i saw him in pop warner and once had a conversation over a barrell of bug juice....bandwagon is mine
I once accidentally spelled LeSean in the snow with my pee so really divine providence has already made me the leader of this movement.
LeSean McCoy was bad azz in college. Second round STEAL!!
Quote from: phillyfanforever on August 19, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
LeSean McCoy was bad azz in college. Second round STEAL!!
azz? Die. A lot.
I have a couple friends that go to Pitt. One of them said he played basketball with Lesean all the time, and all he did was talk shtein and every other word out of his mouth was stillupfront's mom.
This matters. You all care.
what young black athlete doesn't talk shtein constantly and "stillupfront this, stillupfront's mom that?" it's required behavior or else you're not tough enough, or some stupid shtein like that
Quote from: Diomedes on August 19, 2009, 08:29:21 PM
what young black athlete doesn't talk shtein constantly and "stillupfront this, stillupfront's mom that?" it's required behavior or else you're not tough enough, or some stupid shtein like that
When is the last time you had a conversation with a young black male, let alone a young black athelete?
You are the grumpiest old man in the world.
i told one to get away from my car the other day...does that count?
Quote from: Dillen on August 19, 2009, 08:26:10 PM
I have a couple friends that go to Pitt. One of them said he played basketball with Lesean all the time, and all he did was talk shtein and every other word out of his mouth was stillupfront's mom.
Does this mean he passes the speech test?
for what its worth, had many a pitt fan tell me he's the real deal. steal of the draft and could be a better westbrook in a few years. other than djack, i can't wait to see what McCoy does this coming year
Huh. So Pitt fans were pretty high on one of the players who played for the college team they root for?
I'm sold.
Quote from: methdeez on August 19, 2009, 08:52:53 PMWhen is the last time you had a conversation with a young black male, let alone a young black athelete?
You are the grumpiest old man in the world.
Yesterday, today.
And thanks for the love.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 19, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Huh. So Pitt fans were pretty high on one of the players who played for the college team they root for?
I'm sold.
Kind of like how I was with Timmy Chang and Nate Iloa.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 19, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Huh. So Pitt fans were pretty high on one of the players who played for the college team they root for?
I'm sold.
lol
also no chance any of us could have figured out hes a damn good prospect without a pitt fan saying so
QuoteBTW, Shady McCoy will not be switching his number from 29 to 25, after all. The league disallowed the switch, because there were already No. 29 McCoy jerseys being sold
everytime i see a thread like this bumped i feel like im gonna open it and see that the player is out for the year
i hope youre out for the year
inappropriate
Like a hermaphrodite's?
inappropriate
i cant be mean to igy hes too important to me. i love you big fella.
right back atcha snookie
I agree with rjs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 10, 2009, 04:10:52 PM
everytime i see a thread like this bumped i feel like im gonna open it and see that the player is out for the year
I figured Westbrook would blow his knee out getting out of the jacuzzi on Sunday morning so I picked up Shady and will be playing him as a starter.
Why? Because farg you, that's why.
Because you want to find a new RB next week, too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 10, 2009, 04:10:52 PM
everytime i see a thread like this bumped i feel like im gonna open it and see that the player is out for the year
Pfft, like that happens often to the Eagles...
McCoy looks good. I like to see Bwest talking to him everytime he comes off the field.
On the Carolina TV broadcast they were talking about how every decent back out of Pitt is the "next" Tony Dorsett, but according to them Dorsett himself said that McCoy was the first one he thought would live up to it.
good to know
Knowing is half the battle
No means yes, and yes means anal
I'll take the next Tony Dorsett.
Loved the way Shady ran today.
Sooo....I know it was the Niners, but Shady looked great, even with the broken rib. One thing is he looks stronger, the offseason working out seems to have helped. Might have taken a few games to get in a groove. He makes people miss ala' Bwest. I hope his development continues.
I want to know what they shot him up with.
Nothing good, otherwise he'd have dived for that first down.
it was fine, that's just when he crashed. more gas for the engine.
I like what I see from him too, but that's 2 fumbles in two games. He kinda let's the ball hang out there and I don't like that shtein. He's gotta keep that shtein against the body.
He'll learn. I think the kid thought he was across the line or something. Ain't no way you make it to the NFL being a Hoyda at RB.
The fumble in the niner game he had against his body, he just got smacked right on the ball the same way Gore did with the one that popped into the air. He wasn't LJing the ball there.
Westbrook, Shady, Duce:
(http://www.wheresweems.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/WestyShadyDuce.jpg)
Nice pic. :yay
Nothing in that picture looks right.
The winner being the one in an Eagles jersey looks okay to me.
how washed up does westbrook look? how is even playing?
Quote from: SD on October 11, 2010, 09:51:02 PM
Westbrook, Shady, Duce:
(http://www.wheresweems.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/WestyShadyDuce.jpg)
"Pssst... Duce keeps licking his chops every time someone mentions my ribs. I think he wants to eat me."
"you could lose a few pounds, Brian"
duce is definitely creeping in that pic.
QuoteLocked and Loaded: LeSean McCoy, Philadelphia Eagles
Best RB facing a loaded box
LeSean McCoy, literally, ran away with this award thanks to some hard-nosed running -- an aspect of his game that often is overlooked. Being surrounded by weapons like Michael Vick, DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin overshadowed the fact that McCoy was the league's best back in 2010 when there were more defenders in the box than available blockers (creating a loaded box).
Fourteen running backs had at least 30 attempts against a loaded box this season. McCoy finished in the top four in rushing yards (207), touchdowns (three) and attempts per first down (2.8), despite having the fewest carries of those 14 backs (36).
Also, McCoy was more than up to the task of running out the clock. One-third of his rushes against a loaded box came in the fourth quarter with the Eagles leading. McCoy rushed 12 times for 85 yards and three first downs in those situations. His 7.1 yards per rush was tops among backs with at least 10 carries.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/i...s-wr-rb-defense
But I thought he was a finesse back??
Ha-yeah he plows over bitches... or does he make all those guys in the box miss?
Is there a difference? He's just as capable of doing either.
No he's not.
Rome-how many times do you need to see McCoy fall to the ground at the end of a run to know he's not a power runner. There's an eye-opening difference.
Lorenzo Booker was a finesse back. Shady is not. The end.
Lorenzo Booker is not a running back Shady is-double the end.
Shady breaks tackles so I wouldn't classify him as a finesse back. I'd classify him as shifty. He leans more to the side of a finesse back than he does a power back but I wouldn't put him in the finesse back category.
Over 3/4 of the rb's in the NFL can break a tackle. Shady is a speed and finnese back, I don't know how else you can label him any other way.
Don't even bother.
Quote from: reese125 on January 05, 2011, 02:16:58 PM
Over 3/4 of the rb's in the NFL can break a tackle. Shady is a speed and finnese back, I don't know how else you can label him any other way.
The 1/4 are finesse backs
I label Shady as shifty
Ha.
as long as we all agree that the label we put on him is extremely important.
Clearly reese's bias against finesse backs stems from his admitted homophobia.
theres power backs
then theres finesse backs
then theres basically everyone else
hes certainly not fast enough to be considered a speed back
hes not soft enough to be considered finesse
and he doesnt run thru people enough to be a power back
shady is right in the middle of the everyone else category...he can break a big run but hes not going to run away from everybody...at the same time hes like 215-220 and is strong
Quote from: Dillen on January 05, 2011, 02:22:47 PM
as long as we all agree that the label we put on him is extremely important.
Quite.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2011, 02:35:18 PM
theres power backs
then theres finesse backs
then theres basically everyone else
hes certainly not fast enough to be considered a speed back
hes not soft enough to be considered finesse
and he doesnt run thru people enough to be a power back
shady is right in the middle of the everyone else category...he can break a big run but hes not going to run away from everybody...at the same time hes like 215-220 and is strong
He's a lot faster than you are giving him credit for, I think.
He's hit as low as 4.25 in the 40.
Anyway, none of this matters. He's a stud who made strides in pretty much every possible category at only his age 21 season. He's going to be an elite running back, if he's not there already.
Who cares about all this as long as he's not gay?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 05, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2011, 02:35:18 PM
theres power backs
then theres finesse backs
then theres basically everyone else
hes certainly not fast enough to be considered a speed back
hes not soft enough to be considered finesse
and he doesnt run thru people enough to be a power back
shady is right in the middle of the everyone else category...he can break a big run but hes not going to run away from everybody...at the same time hes like 215-220 and is strong
He's hit as low as 4.25 in the 40.
lol
sure he has...on pitts stopwatch riding a bike with the wind
4.2 is elite speed for a back....hes certainly not slow and plenty fast enough but hes nowhere near in that range...thats chris johnson type speed
why
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2011, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 05, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2011, 02:35:18 PM
theres power backs
then theres finesse backs
then theres basically everyone else
hes certainly not fast enough to be considered a speed back
hes not soft enough to be considered finesse
and he doesnt run thru people enough to be a power back
shady is right in the middle of the everyone else category...he can break a big run but hes not going to run away from everybody...at the same time hes like 215-220 and is strong
He's hit as low as 4.25 in the 40.
lol
sure he has...on pitts stopwatch riding a bike with the wind
4.2 is elite speed for a back....hes certainly not slow and plenty fast enough but hes nowhere near in that range...thats chris johnson type speed
Coming out of high school, he hit 4.25. Maybe the muscle he's slowly added has slowed him down some, or maybe he just had a bad day at the NFL combine. Either way I'm pretty sure he's faster than 4.5 and it shows on the field.
lol..wait hes 4.2 now hes definitely faster than 4.5?...which is it and where did 4.5 even come from?
and i definitely trust a high school work out to give an accurate 40 time on a kid
Your reading comprehension is clearly awful because what I said was that he's hit as low as 4.25.
4.5 is his combine speed.
yeah hes nowhere near 4.2
just watch the games and dont worry about high school 40 times...youll learn a lot more
and for god sakes stop trying to billy beane the nfl all up
And a quick googling verifies my theory, he had the flu at the NFL combine.
i could have told you hes faster than 4.5 without googling anything
again...im not even sure how 4.5 got in this mix
your original theory was that he was in the 4.2 range...or did you just also randomly toss that out via a google search?
I think he's probably pretty close to that, but again it doesn't matter
I think we are in agreement that Shady is on the verge of being an elite running back, yes?
no...but mostly because there isnt to many elite backs around
hes one of the better all around backs in the league and fits the eagles offense perfectly but i see nothing elite about him
of backs that arent elite id put him a notch below jamaal charles and arian foster and probably in a category with ray rice and rashad mendehaul
IGY...those ARE some of the elite backs now you dense mother farger. The definition of elite has changed with the NFL offenses.
As a runner his greatest asset is his vision/instincts which counts for more than speed. As a player his best asset is his versatility. Although he can't do some things, like split out wide as Westbrook did, he's become a complete back and still improving.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if McCoy is the best RB in the NFC in the next year or two.
The strides he made from last year to this year were ridiculous. He's 22 and he's going to keep getting better. If anything I'll be surprised if he's not one the top 3 or 5 running backs in the NFL within the next few years.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 05, 2011, 04:14:16 PM
As a runner his greatest asset is his vision/instincts which counts for more than speed. As a player his best asset is his versatility. Although he can't do some things, like split out wide as Westbrook did, he's become a complete back and still improving.
this sums him up perfectly
i love his productivity and everything he does...i just dont see him doing anything elite...and i think theres any number of guys you could plug in the eagles system and they would spit out the same numbers that shady does...
now westbrook was elite...he had to be game planned for and was a td threat on every play...much like a chris johnson...a lot of shtein opens up for shady because of the people around him
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 05, 2011, 04:15:04 PM
The strides he made from last year to this year were ridiculous. He's 22 and he's going to keep getting better.
i think the strides had to do with going from a rookie to a veteran...there should be massive leaps and bounds from year one to two...from here on out i dont see tons of improvement...i think what you saw him do this year is going to be around the norm with variations in either direction depending on how things bounce for him and the changes that are made on the team around him...kind of like what ray rice did last year compared to this
So Arian Foster is an elite back? I have him penciled in as a one hit wonder
he is NOT an elite back
i know im not mark twain in the writing dept but jesus where has the reading comprehension gone on this board?
You're not even MDS in the writing department
Damn.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 05, 2011, 04:15:04 PM
It wouldn't surprise me at all if McCoy is the best RB in the NFC in the next year or two.
The strides he made from last year to this year were ridiculous. He's 22 and he's going to keep getting better. If anything I'll be surprised if he's not one the top 3 or 5 running backs in the NFL within the next few years.
He's always reminded me of Bwest, it's those kinds of backs Andy Reid likes and he knows how to pick 'em.
This has easily become the worst thread on this board. Mud Butt is looking pretty damn good right about now.
Better than a thread that devolves into a circle jerk of horrible jokes, sir.
No, it's really not. It's more akin to the exact same two jokes being repeated over and over again. And you are one of the jokes.
Why did I answer Reese?
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?
I skipped reading three new pages of this thread once I ascertained that Shady wasn't shot, arrested, injured in practice, or signed an extension. The rest is likely a bunch of stupid bickering over nothing. farg you all.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 05, 2011, 06:35:45 PM
The forum is a bunch of stupid bickering over nothing. farg you all.
Edited for clarity.
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2011, 05:20:04 PM
Why did I answer Reese?
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?
hey you started this shtein. I was fine with stopping it at "the end." now it went from finesse, to power, to 4.5 combine times, to elite, to arian foster, to mark twain, to the ceremonial dio giving everyone the middle finger. Id say the thread is right on par with CF.
Shady took a $2500 advance to make an appearance at a club in Wilkes-Barre. Then he didn't show up and the club wants it's money back. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Nightclub-Still-Waiting-For-LeSean-To-Return-The-Money.html?ref=facebook.com)
I assume that Shady took the money and intended to show. Then someone showed him where Wilkes-Barre is on a map.
Nice article about McCoy. I like Kirwin, on the radio he does a better job than just about anyone on TV.
QuoteThere are four Eagles who made the list of NFL Network's Top 100 Players of 2011 and unfortunately LeSean McCoy is not one of them. NFL.com's Pat Kirwan has a "problem with that."
A former NFL coach and personnel executive, Kirwan is ranking the best players at each position in the league and has tabbed the dynamic McCoy as the eighth-best back in all of football. Kirwan has McCoy ranked ahead of Pro Bowl players like Baltimore's Ray Rice and San Francisco's Frank Gore among many others. There are 10 running backs and a fullback on the NFL Network Top 100 list, which was determined by a vote of the players. Kirwan is such a fan of McCoy that he wrote an entire story dedicated to "champion" the cause for McCoy's inclusion on the list.
First, Kirwan noted that McCoy had an explosive run rate of one every 7.3 carries in 2010. An explosive run is one of more than 10 yards. Kansas City's Jamaal Charles had one every five attempts, which was the best in the NFL. McCoy's rate was better than NFL rushing champ Arian Foster, Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Maurice Jones-Drew and Steven Jackson.
Kirwan then argued that the modern running back must do more than just run in-between the tackles. He must be able to catch the ball out of the backfield as well. McCoy was first among all running backs with 78 catches and fourth in the league overall in yards from scrimmage. Every time McCoy touched the ball, he gained 5.86 yards. Kirwan compared that to Johnson who averaged 4.46 yards per touch. In fact, Johnson had fewer total yards and even one fewer touchdown than McCoy.
McCoy goes under the radar with the likes of Michael Vick and DeSean Jackson on this team. There also isn't a way to measure heart after McCoy played through a cracked rib in the game against Washington as well as the following week's win in San Francisco. McCoy has continued the legacy of great starting running backs in Philadelphia and is only about to enter his third NFL season in 2011.
mccoy is a product of the eagles system imo...not that theres anything wrong with that as hes producing at a high level but ray rice would be all nfl in this offense and theres many players who could duplicate shadys numbers in this system
I agree, if by in this system you mean a team with a terrible offensive line that doesn't run the ball
i was more saying that any rb who can catch the ball can run even a little bit and can pick up a blitz is going to put up numbers in philly as the offense gives you ample opportunitys to put up numbers if you are a tailback
You're a schmuck.
Don't take anything away from Shady...he's a bona fide NFL starter..any team would be delighted to have him.
except the Ravens because they have Ray Rice
There are 2 "elite" backs in the NFL, everyone else is WAY behind.
3 if Arian Foster proves not to be a oneyear wonder
http://www.twackle.com/articles/Umenyiora-304And-McCoy-Trade-Insults-Over-Twitter---NFL
Someone writing an article about some basic, boring trash talk between a couple of NFL players ranks lower on the sports journalism ladder than MDS. I know ESPN has taught people to think otherwise, but not everything sports-related is news.
what the farg did i do?
i can't believe twackle would stoop so low.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 17, 2011, 04:12:09 PM
Someone writing an article about some basic, boring trash talk between a couple of NFL players ranks lower on the sports journalism ladder than MDS. I know ESPN has taught people to think otherwise, but not everything sports-related is news.
I looked it up because it was the talk of sports radio in town today.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/41205/reaction-to-mccoys-tweet-nonsense
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/06/giants_osi_umenyiora_on_eagles.html
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/17/osi-umenyiora-on-lesean-mccoys-criticism-she-can-say-whatever-she-wants/
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/06/17/eagles-lesean-mccoy-giants-de-osi-umenyiora-overrated-soft/
eat it Osi
Shady (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_2oA8kEdzE)
wost manneans ftw
Two questions:
Where do you rank Shady in terms of current NFL running backs. He's 44 yards from leading the NFL but has 32 less carries (he's behind Peterson in both categories), so for all intents and purposes he's the leading rusher in the NFL He has the highest YPC among RBs with over 100 yards with 5.6 ypc. Right now I'd say it's hard not to put him among the top 2 RBs in the league.
As of this morning where do you rank him in comparison to Westbrook. Is he better, equal, or not as good. Westbrook had a better line but he was also a better receiver and better in pass protection.
Define best.
Do it, monkey.
There's just no way to answer this question. McCoy is good. He fits this team and offense perfectly. I'm glad he's an Eagle. Yay.
He's def top 3 with Foster and AP. It's almost senseless to argue 1 over the others at that point.
As for comparison to Westbrook, here's the thing...
We're comparing Shady 3 years in against Westbrook's career, so the outcome is skewed.
Westy was not great in pass protection either when he first came up if I remember correctly. It took him a couple of years to really get good at it.
Also, it's very hard to compare the 2 as receivers because the Eagles don't run screens nearly as much now as they did with Westy. For most of Westbrook's career, he was the main cog on offense, much like Forte in Chicago. Westbrook got a lot of catches because he had to. With the receivers the Eagles have now, they don't seem to run as many rb screens and you really don't see them running Shady out as a receiver. The stable of talent the Eagles have on offense really lets McCoy be a running back rather than some multi-dimensional threat that the Eagles have to use in order to open things up for other players.
That said, you put Shady on the Eagles during Westbrook's years and I don't think he has quite the same impact as a receiver.
Agree with everything you said but the last sentence.
McCoy is everything you want in a running back. Power, good decision making, speed, balance, hands...everything. The only flaw he has is he holds the ball out like a loaf of bread, and he will pay for that soon Im sure.
You run him the way you ran Westbrook he's better. Id take him on the screen any day of the week over Westbrook just for his cutback ability alone.
He can definitely run the screen as effectively as Westbrook did, but I'm talking about all around receiving skills, including splitting him out wide. It's really hard to gauge right now because the offenses are different and Westy has a bigger body of work to look at, but Shady just doesn't seem to be quite the receiving threat Westbrook was. But like I said, he doesn't have to be.
Also, good point about ball carrying. That's something that he really does need to work on.
You could really see how he was loose with the ball last night, but as soon as he was getting hit, he tucked it in. Still, not a good way to carry the ball. I think it was already said he's second in the league for total yards, 44 behind Peterson with 42 less carries. I think the most telling stat is avg. per carry, in which he leads the league with 5.6 yds. and also, he leads the league in avg. per game with 107.7. Second again in td's with 8 behind Peterson's 9. He's putting together a hell of a year. I think the fact that although it's early in his career, he seems somewhat durable. That alone makes him more vauable than Bwest in my book. The second half of Bwest's career it seemed he was either on the sidelines hurt or playing hurt. I don't know if Bwest was faster than Shady, but Shady definitly seems quicker. Quicker at accelerating and cutting. Last night he looked like a waterbug running all over the field. It was great to see. A hell of a preformance, it'll go down as one of the best games by an Eagles rb ever.
I don't think Shady is quicker. That extra gear was Westbrook's strong point and I don't think Shady can match that. McCoy dances around better, has better vision around the LOS and cuts back better but he doesn't have that burst Westbrook did.
Quote from: Eagaholic on October 31, 2011, 03:08:58 PM
I don't think Shady is quicker. That extra gear was Westbrook's strong point and I don't think Shady can match that. McCoy dances around better, has better vision around the LOS and cuts back better but he doesn't have that burst Westbrook did.
Westbrook was quicker, but Shady is shiftier and changes direction faster. Westbrook was more of a power back (more so than Mccoy) because he was built like a fireplug. And the receiving part isn't even close, Westbrook could line up wide and act like a WR, Shady can't do that.
How do you know that though?
Sarge already pointed this out-there is no need for him to line out wide. Westbrook had to because the receivers blew.
I bet you line Shady in the slot he does just fine....but with the futility of the oline, it's not smart to have an open backfield on even more than 1 occasion.
Quote from: reese125 on October 31, 2011, 03:21:26 PM
How do you know that though?
I don't, it's just my opinion.
Quote from: SD on October 31, 2011, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: reese125 on October 31, 2011, 03:21:26 PM
How do you know that though?
I don't, it's just my opinion.
You're not allowed to have those around here.
Quote from: SD on October 31, 2011, 03:15:06 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on October 31, 2011, 03:08:58 PM
I don't think Shady is quicker. That extra gear was Westbrook's strong point and I don't think Shady can match that. McCoy dances around better, has better vision around the LOS and cuts back better but he doesn't have that burst Westbrook did.
Westbrook was quicker, but Shady is shiftier and changes direction faster. Westbrook was more of a power back (more so than Mccoy) because he was built like a fireplug. And the receiving part isn't even close, Westbrook could line up wide and act like a WR, Shady can't do that.
Exactly. And patience is a also a common trait.
I think Westbrook's quickness and Shady's shiftiness probably equal out at this point. Shady has better vision and is therefore better at making something out of nothing but Westy's receiving ability gives him an overall edge (not even taking into account his special teams contribution - it was that end of game punt return against the Giants that was the turning point of the franchise from a loser to a winner).
I the end it will come down to how healthy and how long Shady will play for but he definitely has the potential to be remembered as the better back, especially if he helps win a SB. Maybe he would even be able to spot an extra $3 million appearing in his bank account.
Quote from: Eagaholic on October 31, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
(not even taking into account his special teams contribution - it was that end of game punt return against the Giants that was the turning point of the franchise from a loser to a winner).
Agree that Westbrook's ST play extended his impact beyond the offence.
Disagree that it was any type of turning point for the franchise. It definitely saved that season, but the Eagles already had 2 NFCCG appearance under their belt at that point and lost their 3rd in a row that year (2003). And looking at the big picture, the Eagles didn't win a SB before Westbrook and they didn't win one with him, so in the grand scheme of things he didn't turn anything around. I guess you could say that the Eagles were less "losery" with him, but that's about it.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 31, 2011, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on October 31, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
(not even taking into account his special teams contribution - it was that end of game punt return against the Giants that was the turning point of the franchise from a loser to a winner).
Agree that Westbrook's ST play extended his impact beyond the offence.
Disagree that it was any type of turning point for the franchise. It definitely saved that season, but the Eagles already had 2 NFCCG appearance under their belt at that point and lost their 3rd in a row that year (2003). And looking at the big picture, the Eagles didn't win a SB before Westbrook and they didn't win one with him, so in the grand scheme of things he didn't turn anything around. I guess you could say that the Eagles were less "losery" with him, but that's about it.
Oh, I mis-remembered then. Maybe I was thinking it turned the season around.
Said it in the other thread....Westbrook was def quicker/faster, but didn't have the agility of Shady. Westbrook had the small stutter step cut and then the quick burst to get by the defender....where as Shady jukes you out of your shoes and moves laterally or even backwards to get around you. Collinsworth was right in saying it's very Barry Sanders-esque the way Shady gets around guys.
I still give the small edge to Westbrook but I think after Shady has an extended body of work he'll be the overall better running back.
Quote from: Munson on October 31, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
I still give the small edge to Westbrook but I think after Shady has an extended body of work he'll be the overall better running back.
Shady is a better pure RB imo. The thing that Westbrook has over him is that he was used in every possible way on offense and ST. He ran, he caught out of the backfield, he lined up wide, he returned kicks and punts. He even threw a td or 2.
And that's the reason you can never truly compare the 2 of them.....they aren't used in the same way. Not even close.
Quote from: Munson on October 31, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Collinsworth was right in saying it's very Barry Sanders-esque the way Shady gets around guys.
True he can be Sanders-esque, but he is nowhere near the level of Barry.
I couldn't have asked for a better successor to Westbrook, who was himself a gift from the football gods. I love them both equally.
Quote from: Eagaholic on October 31, 2011, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Munson on October 31, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Collinsworth was right in saying it's very Barry Sanders-esque the way Shady gets around guys.
True he can be Sanders-esque, but he is nowhere near the level of Barry.
Exactly, he may make moves that do conjure the ghost of Barry, but he definitely isn't the gawd
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 31, 2011, 08:03:53 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on October 31, 2011, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Munson on October 31, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Collinsworth was right in saying it's very Barry Sanders-esque the way Shady gets around guys.
True he can be Sanders-esque, but he is nowhere near the level of Barry.
Exactly, he may make moves that do conjure the ghost of Barry, but he definitely isn't the gawd
Will you still be saying that if he can stay healthy for the next 4-6 years? I agree he's no Barry Sanders, but the similarity can't be ingnored, and I'm thinking that elusiveness he plays with could help him with staying healthy by not taking a whole lot of big hits.
Also, we should give credit were credit is due. We bash the hell out of Reid, but he can draft the perfect west coast rb. It looks like he's done it twice.
settle down with the barry sanders stuff
the main tangible difference btwn westbrook and shady and what seperates a guy like westbrook from most nfl players is he had that extra burst when he got the open field that allowed him to run away from people and score...what the nerds call "game speed"
shady can hit long runs and will occasionally pop one for a td but he doesnt put the fear into defenses that he can go the distance at any time...youll notice shady as he did monday nite alot of times will try to use an angle to get to away from defenders and towards the sideline
when 36 got in the open field he used to shortest path btwn two points and bursted for scores...shady doesnt have that
LeSean McCoy, NFC Offensive Player of the Week
Quote from: shorebird on November 01, 2011, 05:46:55 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 31, 2011, 08:03:53 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on October 31, 2011, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Munson on October 31, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Collinsworth was right in saying it's very Barry Sanders-esque the way Shady gets around guys.
True he can be Sanders-esque, but he is nowhere near the level of Barry.
Exactly, he may make moves that do conjure the ghost of Barry, but he definitely isn't the gawd
Will you still be saying that if he can stay healthy for the next 4-6 years? I agree he's no Barry Sanders, but the similarity can't be ingnored, and I'm thinking that elusiveness he plays with could help him with staying healthy by not taking a whole lot of big hits.
Also, we should give credit were credit is due. We bash the hell out of Reid, but he can draft the perfect west coast rb. It looks like he's done it twice.
Barry Sanders was on an entirely different level as far as elusiveness and it won't matter what kind of stats Shady might put up. Sure he took some TFLs and underperformed in the playoffs and so forth but as far as quickness, instincts and body control that I don't think he has ever been matched, including Walter Payton.
i feel like you mean gayle sayers....walter payton in no way compared to barry sanders...sweetness had an incredible combination of power and speed but he definitely was a power runner...i actually look at payton like a faster more athletic earl campbell....where as barry was basically a scat back on meth
Will you stop talking about Barry already
YES WE CAN
I certainly HOPE so.
Time to CHANGE the topic.
they're both BLACK
Or we could keep going until rjs pops an artery.
I don't think he has any LEFT.
Did you know that the blood in arteries is BLUE?
Haha, I'm such an ASS.
Quote from: Rome on November 01, 2011, 07:13:40 PM
Or we could keep going until rjs pops an artery.
You don't have the audacity
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 01, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
I don't think he has any LEFT.
Did you know that the blood in arteries is BLUE?
Haha, I'm such an ASS. amiRIGHT?
dems fightin words
SHADYNASTY
no
Got to give some love to the O-line. Howard Mudd could have had 50 plus yards carrying in the Dallas game
countdown is on to see if a long standing eagles record will be broken this year
after that run shady is 439 yards away from breaking wilberts single season rushing record
Well, considering he'll only get about 9 more carries the rest of the year... I'll say the odds are against it.
Nine carries would be nine chances for him to get hurt in meaningless games.
Quote from: Feva on December 01, 2011, 09:07:27 PM
Well, considering he'll only get about 9 more carries the rest of the year... I'll say the odds are against it.
If he gets those inside their own 20 he's still got a chance.
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oh ok thanks easy
I don't understand that. Is Shady saying he wants or does not want Tebow?
I think he's ordering teriyaki chicken & soba noodles.
They have soba in Harrisburg?
They have soba at the mall food court these days.
For real.
http://www.sarkujapan.com/
Quote from: Diomedes on March 20, 2012, 06:08:45 PM
I don't understand that. Is Shady saying he wants or does not want Tebow?
"Yea right" and "Get real" seemed pretty straightforward to me
To be fair, twitter shorthand is impossible to read unless you want to know what it says.
It really is and I really don't.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/draft-day-stories-from-vinny-cerrato/2012/04/23/gIQAfFwncT_blog.html
QuoteWashington did not have a second-round pick in 2009, having traded it for Jason Taylor, but apparently the Skins considered moving up.)
"When I was in Washington with Joe Gibbs and Dan, all [the] decisions were made prior-to. You know, do we want Sean Taylor or do we want Kellen Winslow? Those decisions were made prior to the draft. I remember one time we had a trade, we were in the second round and had a trade done. I called Stump Mitchell the running back coach, I said 'Stump, I can trade right now, I can get the second-round pick. We can take Shady McCoy. Do you want him? I can get it done. We're on the clock. I'm on the phone.' He said, 'No, I don't want him.' I said okay. I said I'm not trading for a guy if my position coach does not want the guy."
taterskins gonna taterskin
:-D
the most shocking thing about that is that cerrato admitted it and did so as if deferring to a running backs coach during the draft was a perfectly reasonable thing to do
it would be a lot funnier save for the fact that were the eagles to hire stump mitchell as their GM it would be an upgrade
I think position coaches get a lot of input as far as players go though.
I've read where certain scouts or position coaches literally stand on tables trying to convince GMs to pick a guy or where the GMs solicit advice of those guys since they worked out a player on their own
I think it's more of the fact that the coach said he didn't want Shady that is being mocked here.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
I think position coaches get a lot of input as far as players go though.
I've read where certain scouts or position coaches literally stand on tables trying to convince GMs to pick a guy or where the GMs solicit advice of those guys since they worked out a player on their own
That works out for the Eagles since they have two O-line coaches in the mix, Watkins should be in the HOF.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
I think position coaches get a lot of input as far as players go though.
I've read where certain scouts or position coaches literally stand on tables trying to convince GMs to pick a guy or where the GMs solicit advice of those guys since they worked out a player on their own
maybe in organizations like the skins they do...but as a general rule they have no say on draft day...respected coordinators have very little input much less position coaches...shtein a lot of GM's often wont give his own coach a whole lot of input...its the scouting dept and the gm for the most part
in the months leading up to a draft a PP guy may ask for some input on a player i guess...a position coach will also show up at a workout being hosted by the team....but they arent going to the senior bowls and combines and studying tape of prospects
the idea that they called stump mitchell on draft day to see if they should trade up to get a player is ludicrous
considering all the time you spent in an nfl front office, we should trust your opinion
its not an opinion its fact...like there hasnt been one million articles on how NFL PP departments work...i mean have you ever watched the draft before even?
even if you havent simple common sense would tell you that a running backs coach is not putting the nix on a big draft day trade....its waaaaaaaaaaaaaay above his pay grade at that stage of the game
stump farging mitchell is whistling off the suicides during mini camp that guys the GM drafted are running....thats about the extent it for a RB coach and the draft
5 year extension for 45 mill 20 of that guaranteed. :yay
Presser in an hour
well this is encouraging news
Good deal for Shady...he deserves it.
Excellent
haha... he just gave the fat man a noogie backrub.
I would have thought they would hold off to see if Matt Forte gets a contract since Chicago is stingy, although if Balt blew it up with Ray Rice that could hurt too.
So good for the FO, they could have held out and taken a stance that there will be an emerging trend of lower salaries to RBs, especially after AP and CJ's new contracts and how that's worked out (as far as I know they are they only 2 rbs that have hit the $20 million signing bonus mark).
Other than not firing Reid or admitting Castillo is a bad fit for DC, the FO seems to be doing all the right things. What gives?
Quote from: Rome on May 17, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
haha... he just gave the fat man a noogie backrub.
Rosenhaus said that Reid was more directly involved with this negotiation than he's ever been. And he also noted players love playing for Andy.
The Eagles have now negotiated extension with 3 Rosenhaus clients this offseason.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 17, 2012, 06:38:37 PM
well this is encouraging news
was never not gonna happen
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 17, 2012, 08:10:37 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 17, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
haha... he just gave the fat man a noogie backrub.
Rosenhaus said that Reid was more directly involved with this negotiation than he's ever been. And he also noted players love playing for Andy.
The Eagles have now negotiated extension with 3 Rosenhaus clients this offseason.
maybe this will shut up all the idiots who always act like rosenhaus is the devil (easy being the leader of this pack)
ive been saying for 100 years that he is no different than any other agent and better than some to work with...in fact i hope one day we get to the point where its not even mentioned that the eagles have signed three rosenhaus clinets in an offseason or that rosenhaus is the agent of one of their draft picks....its irrelevant and has been that way forever
rosenhaus is a piece of shtein scumbag media-whoring opportunist and it's not like the deals the three guys who signed were head-scratchers.
keep telling yourself that and one day it may be true
Keep telling myself what, exactly? He's a super guy and does right by his stable of polo ponies?
Gimme a farging break, already.
He's an oily piece of shtein who uses his ignorant ass dipshtein clients to line his own pockets. It's not like he's the only agent on Earth who does this but he's certainly one of the more successful pimps in the game.
NEXT QUESTION
if hes not TO's agent you barely even know who the guy is
in fact without googling i guarantee you couldnt name a single client of his
your entire opinion of him is based off of one 10 month period in 2005
if you just hate agents in general or hate rosenhaus personally then fine he is a cocky bastich...but to say that he is out to screw teams and has his players hold out all the time and you shoudl stay away from players who are represented by him is just absolute nonsense
how awful is this article....you think hes going to tell you why the contract is a great deal for the eagles...instead he tells us that we should like the deal because the eagles signed a great player....thanks buddy for that shocking 411
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Reasons-to-like-McCoy-deal.html?ref=twitter.com
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
if hes not TO's agent you barely even know who the guy is
Most Eagles fans were pissed at him for the way he handled the Hugh Douglas deal in 2003. Ultimately that worked out for the Eagles but he was shady in his dealings.
He's a great agent but you can't fault Eagles fans for having a life time hatred for the guy for the way he handled the TO situation. He put ideas in TO's weak mind and was the catalyst for his behavior. The Eagles were ripe to go back to the SB in 2005 but because of that circus sideshow they had no shot.
most eagle fans have no clue he was hugh douglass agent....including romey
and TO has pr0ved time and time again that hes a lunatic...he was before rosenhaus and he has been after rosenhaus...could rosenhaus have dropped him sure....but he stood behind a nutso client to show other clients both current and potential that he wont bail on you...smart business move
that said i have no problem if you hate the guy...just hate him cause hes a cocky dick.....dont say hes some sort of trouble maker whose clients all hold out and make mention of his name EVERY SINGLE TIME an eagle player has him as an agent....its ridiculous and so played out and mostly its simply just not true
Pretty sure Romey knew he was Hugh's agent because I remember having lengthy discussions with him on the old EMB about Drew's shady dealings.
TO was fine until Rosenhaus entered the mix and told him the Eagles were going to cut him after year 2 when his guaranteed money ran out. And in case you missed it, TO is now broke and he blames Rosenhaus (http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201201/terrell-owens-gq-jeremiah-trotter-told-me-not-apologize-donovan-mcnabb). Slimy white guy manipulates athletic black man and takes his money...he should have igy hate written all over him.
PIMP is next.
what did rosenhaus do with hugh that was so shady??
hugh has said a million times on wip that he blatantly took a money grab to go to jacksonville and when he was there he stole money from them...that he hated it...and after he got the money rosenhaus brought him back to philly 12 months later...the dealings btwn him and the eagles couldnt have been that shady
TO was destroying garcia and the 49ers before he ever got to philly...he was acting up with the eagles before he hired rosenhaus....hes acted like a lunatic after rosenhaus...and lol at TO blaming rosenhaus for being broke...has TO ever taken responsibility for anything in his life....its always someone elses fault...TO is the last person id ever use when trying to disparage someone else....hes the only person in the history of the world that has actually made people sympathetic towards the bedwetter....thats saying something
rosenhaus has had hundreds of clients before TO and after and none have done anything remotely close to what TO did...and among all those clients were many eagle clients...TO was clearly a special case again because TO is a special needs player
No one but IGY ever knows anything about anyone. EVER!
Pretty sure anybody that has watched the draft knows who Rosenpenis is, remember the Willis McGahee thing? The TO thing was definitely over the top and made him look like more of a scuzbag, but I am pretty sure people didn't like him before that.
There is no doubt though that he is one of the top agents in sports.
Rosenhaus does his job well. His job is to be a bitch to the FO and make his players money. If I was a player, I'd be happy to have him. Same with Boras in the MLB.
Lol that Rosenhaus isn't every bit the POS that Rome accurately described, and I can remember without looking it up any number of examples where he has pulled the same kind of shtein. The only thing that stops him now is for the most part is teams have caught on so he can't get away with it, which started with the TO incident.
But the Lance Briggs fiasco, one in a series of dog and pony shows where Rosenhuas trotted the player out, having him swear up and down on a stack of 8000 bibles that he would never play another down as a Bear as long as he lived no matter what bla bla bla ba, which backfired on the client in a way that completely exposed Rosenahus to the league. Jerry Angelo basically said if you want to hold out fine, and he didn't give a shtein what the fans or media or Urlakkerz thought. Briggs could hold out and not make a dime and lose another year of eligibility towards free agency, or he could come back wimpering with his tail between his legs. Guess which he chose (after wrapping his drunk ass and new Lambourghini around a streetlight)? How many other agents and clients other than TO/Rosenhaus have been found guilty of engaging in a campaign to disrupt and sabotage an NFL operation (or whatever the exact ruling was)?
QuoteHe put ideas in TO's weak mind and was the catalyst for his behavior.
Exactly, and he did the same shtein with DeSean.
One reason the negotiation went well is that Shady wisely got himself very involved, talking to the FO every day, which left much less chance for Rosenhaus to farg it up.
Igy acting like Rosenhaus was an unknown in the sports world prior to 2005
If Drew needed an agent igy is his guy!
I personally would like to see Drew doing sit-ups in his driveway.
IGY, let us know when the presser is going to happen. Pacific Time please.
its good they signed the good player
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2012, 10:40:48 PM
Igy acting like Rosenhaus was an unknown in the sports world prior to 2005
If Drew needed an agent igy is his guy!
he was known...its just eagle fans are clueless when it comes to him because of TO
there is not even a 1% more chance that you have trouble with a rosenhaus client than the client of any other agent
hate the guy all you want...i admit hes a fleshpop...i happen to love cocky bastiches who are the goat at what they do but i can certainly undertand MA hating him...i have no problem there
all i ask is for naive eagle fans to stop bringing his name up when hes the agent of an eagle player because it doesnt matter...and stop pretending like its beyond incredible that the eagles have resigned three rosenhaus clients in the last year or whatever it is...its no different than any other agent and i beg of you all to please just let it go
I can't believe igy is defending that slimeball Rosenhaus. It's like the Eagles f.o. actions of late, kinda' leaves you wide eyed and slackjawed.
Quote from: shorebird on May 18, 2012, 07:13:14 AM
I can't believe igy is defending that slimeball Rosenhaus. It's like the Eagles f.o. actions of late, kinda' leaves you wide eyed and slackjawed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2012, 07:08:21 AM
but i can certainly undertand MA hating him
shocking you would miss the point....i am not defending him...he doesnt need defending...i love the guy...i realize most people hate him...thats clear
my point is i need people to stop with the decade old cliche/misnomer/cluelessness of bringing up his name every single time hes representing an eagle like its noteworthy in any way....
its so tiresome
You're ridiculous.
So the last three pages of this thread you aren't defending him? thats shocking.
So, let's get this straight... No one is even allowed to mention the involvement of Drew Rosenhaus in any contract situation going forward, and mentioning him in a negative light or bringing up the TO or DeSean fiasco is COMPLETELY out of the question. Right?
I actually see IGY's point here: the way Rosenhaus operates is actually better for getting deals done than most think, because of the times he's gotten his name in the middle of uglier disputes. Fine. But both are part of the truth, and there's a reason the first player he had in this year's draft was Devon Still. His act has worn thin on both players and teams, kind of like IGY's "I am 100% right and will never concede even a fraction of a piece of an argument" shtick.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2012, 10:40:48 PM
Igy acting like Rosenhaus was an unknown in the sports world prior to 2005
If Drew needed an agent igy is his guy!
QuoteThe greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the
world he didn't exist. And like that, poof. He's gone.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 18, 2012, 07:54:24 AM
So, let's get this straight... No one is even allowed to mention the involvement of Drew Rosenhaus in any contract situation going forward, and mentioning him in a negative light or bringing up the TO or DeSean fiasco is COMPLETELY out of the question. Right?
I actually see IGY's point here: the way Rosenhaus operates is actually better for getting deals done than most think, because of the times he's gotten his name in the middle of uglier disputes. Fine. But both are part of the truth, and there's a reason the first player he had in this year's draft was Devon Still. His act has worn thin on both players and teams, kind of like IGY's "I am 100% right and will never concede even a fraction of a piece of an argument" shtick.
except this isnt an argument...im not trying to argue that hes a great guy....ive mentioned on several occasions i understand that hes a hatable figure
but they need to stop being obsessed with rosenhaus as it pertains to his client list...specifically eagle clients....TO happened almost ten years ago...its time to let it go...really it was time to let it go right after TO left
So, you don't even really have a point whatsoever.
yeah my point is to try and assist dopes in being smarter
I stopped reading after IGY said "nutso".
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Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2012, 08:26:22 AM
yeah my point is to try and assist dopes in being smarter
You're not doing a very good job of it.
trust me its not easy
A lot of things aren't easy for a person like you, and you're an inspiration to us all.
Oh blah di, oh blah da.
Quote
After the LeSean McCoy news conference ended Thursday night at NovaCare, reporters broke into groups. One group clustered around agent Drew Rosenhaus, another around Eagles general manager Howie Roseman. Some TV reporters waited to do one-on-one interviews with McCoy about his new, five-year, $45 million deal.
As Rosenhaus was about to say something, he was interrupted by a voice bellowing from one of the other groups: "NEXT QUESTION!" Rosenhaus chuckled, as he has, oh, roughly a zillion times since that day late in 2005 when the agent stood on Terrell Owens' scraggly Moorestown yard and made himself the focal point of a region's collective anger and disappointment.
These are different days. Rosenhaus, who represents seven current Eagles, has worked out big-money long-term deals this offseason for three of those clients. Not only did the Eagles sign DeSean Jackson (5 years, $51 million), Evan Mathis (five years, $25.5 million) and McCoy, they did so with no bruised feelings, no public sparring, no anonymously-sourced intimations that one side or the other was being unreasonable.
As McCoy mentioned in the news conference, he briefly fired Rosenhaus last season, twice. Rosenhaus said Thursday that was because McCoy questioned the Rosenhaus relationship with the Eagles, whether the team would deal effectively with him. Certainly, there were tensions last season attending the Jackson situation. But those tensions clearly have resolved.
"Right now, we're on a roll with them," Rosenhaus said.
Rosenhaus said he spoke with team representatives three or four times a week this offseason about the McCoy contract. He said there was one major reason the deal got done.
"Andy Reid really wanted to see LeSean stay with the Eagles," Rosenhaus said. Of course, McCoy was probably going to stay with the Eagles regardless -- he had a year left on his rookie deal, the team could have just franchised him after that -- but what Rosenhaus meant was that Reid wanted McCoy to stay with the Eagles HAPPILY, a concept that has not always driven the Birds' negotiating strategy.
"When we we were working on this deal, coach Reid was sitting in on the meetings. It wasn't so much that he was taking sides, he just wanted to see it get done," Rosenhaus said. "So I think coach Reid really was the difference."
Rosenhaus also said: "We've had success working with Howie," in the two years since Roseman ascended to his current job.
Your Eagletarian asked Rosenhaus if he thinks the Eagles' thinking about the handling of such negotiations with key players has changed over the past several years.
"Yeah, there's no question," Rosenhaus said. "To me, the Eagles are one of the more aggressive ballclubs when it comes to retaining their players. Guys want to stay here. There's great stability here [with Reid]."
"I think so," Rosenhaus said, when asked if Reid's role was larger this time than it would have been in a similar negotiation several years back. "Certainly I can't speak for him, but in the multitude of deals we've negotiated with the Eagles, which are in the dozens since he's been the head coach, this is the most involved I've seen him."
Rosenhaus added that he "had a chance to visit with [team president] Joe Banner, I had a chance to visit with [chairman] Jeffrey Lurie. Both those guys were very involved, too. The meat and potatoes negotiations were with Howie, but this was a team approach."
"Howie is a straight shooter," Rosenhaus said. "He's aggressive. He wants to win. He's a pleasant guy to deal with, he's very honest. I like doing business with him ... I like dealing with all the teams in the league, but definitely, this is an unprecedented few months for me with one team. To do three deals of that magnitude is unique, for us."
"It does make it easier when you have a good relationship," said Rosenhaus, who also said his approach has evolved over the years. "The Eagles' regime went out of their way to let our clients know that we had a professional relationship with [the team]. Guys have been uneasy about some of the things that have happened in the past ... they let the players know they had no problem with us."
We were thinking there was no real deadline to get this done, but with all the offseason injuries cropping up -- Jason Peters, a case in point -- it turns out, next week's full-team minicamp was something of a deadline. Both sides wanted this deal done before McCoy stepped on the field, Rosenhaus said.
QuoteThese are different days. Rosenhaus, who represents seven current Eagles, has worked out big-money long-term deals this offseason for three of those clients. Not only did the Eagles sign DeSean Jackson (5 years, $51 million), Evan Mathis (five years, $25.5 million) and McCoy, they did so with no bruised feelings, no public sparring, no anonymously-sourced intimations that one side or the other was being unreasonable.
As McCoy mentioned in the news conference, he briefly fired Rosenhaus last season, twice. Rosenhaus said Thursday that was because McCoy questioned the Rosenhaus relationship with the Eagles, whether the team would deal effectively with him. Certainly, there were tensions last season attending the Jackson situation. But those tensions clearly have resolved.
I love how these two paragraphs contradict each other and that there was no turmoil with the Eagles even thought there clearly was with PIMP. Not to mention Mccoy had the impression that there was bad blood between the Eagles and Drew. It looks like the two sides have finally put their differences aside but it's been what 7 years since the TO debacle.
It's all about the benjamins. Both sides will make money from these deals; both are glad to get them done. Next time they disagree on the mutual value, it could definitely get annoying again.
Quote from: SD on May 18, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
QuoteThese are different days. Rosenhaus, who represents seven current Eagles, has worked out big-money long-term deals this offseason for three of those clients. Not only did the Eagles sign DeSean Jackson (5 years, $51 million), Evan Mathis (five years, $25.5 million) and McCoy, they did so with no bruised feelings, no public sparring, no anonymously-sourced intimations that one side or the other was being unreasonable.
As McCoy mentioned in the news conference, he briefly fired Rosenhaus last season, twice. Rosenhaus said Thursday that was because McCoy questioned the Rosenhaus relationship with the Eagles, whether the team would deal effectively with him. Certainly, there were tensions last season attending the Jackson situation. But those tensions clearly have resolved.
I love how these two paragraphs contradict each other and that there was no turmoil with the Eagles even thought there clearly was with PIMP. Not to mention Mccoy had the impression that there was bad blood between the Eagles and Drew. It looks like the two sides have finally put their differences aside but it's been what 7 years since the TO debacle.
the turmoil with pimp was internal though not btwn team and agent (other than the standard back n forth frustration i suppose)
it was andy versus howie and maybe banner on whether to resign a concussion laced 170 lb malcontent or not...andy wanted it it and the others werent so sure
sure it was
I mean, why would Shady fire a guy twice if he thought he was on good terms with the team.
he fired him once cause he thought it was a conflict of interest to have rosenhaus represent him and pimp while both were tryint to re up...he did it a second time because he thought there was bad feelings from the TO thing...he was no different than all the eagle fans who freak out about rosenhaus...this is my whole point....
rosenhaus has represented players the eagles have acquired since the TO thing...he represented them before the TO thing...its all in the game yo
no team is stupid enough to black ball an agent...youd be biting the hand that feeds you to do that..especially one as big as rosenhaus...yeah they had a bad negotiation almost a decade ago...big deal...its not the end of the world...shtein happens....every negotiation is different and when one ends another begins...
shady saw his misperceptions and corrected the situation...i suggest everyone else do the same
can i still not like him because he's a miami-bred slick haired greaseball?
Quote from: SunMo on May 18, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
can i still not like him because he's a miami-bred slick haired greaseball?
absolutely
that the reason i love him so much tho...hes like the nfl ari gold...or football analogy hes deion sanders the agent...the best in the biz but a complete cocky ahole while hes doing it
Haha... excellent analogy (although the complete opposite of what you intended) considering Sanders remains the most overrated defensive back in the history of the NFL.
Deion may be a lot of things overrated is not one of them he was a true game changer.
Quote from: Rome on May 18, 2012, 11:45:02 AM
considering Sanders remains the most overrated defensive back in the history of the NFL.
i love you but no one on the planet makes more complete opposite calls...and i dont mean wrong...everyone is wrong at times
but you have an uncanny ability to consistently be 180 degrees from what is right
deion might be the best cb of all time
I'd put him down as the best Cover CB of all time.
id argue that makes him the best cb of all time...but im in the all i need my corner to do is cover and make plays club...and imo thats why deion is the best...his playmaking ability was retarded on top of the coverage ability
id rather have one side of the field eliminated for 60 minutes than have a guy that can cover maybe not as well but is more physical
thats a fair argument tho and why i said he might be the best ever...it all depends on your philosphy regarding cornerbacks
LeSean McCoy thread: Your one stop for the Rosenhaus and Deion Sanders nonsense you surely crave.
LeSean McCoy is a good player.
I can't beleive the Eagles continue to do business with Rosenpuke clients. This is the 3rd client of his that got a new deal this year alone. Didn't they learn anything from TO? Who cares how good guys like Shady or DJax are? I not only want high character, likable players but their agents need to be up to par as well.
Look, the Eagles continue to do business with iceholes like Rosenhaus because of one reason, and one reason only: He's got a huge meatcicle. Yes, I typed out meatcicle.
The best of all time? What - the best bandanna'd player ever? Fine, I'll buy that.
For real, though... how can a guy who either wouldn't or couldn't tackle be considered the best at his position?
And Sarge... you need a sarcasm editor. Way too long, bud.
Quote from: Rome on May 18, 2012, 03:36:11 PM
The best of all time? What - the best bandanna'd player ever?
Ray Lewis.
Quote from: Rome on May 18, 2012, 03:36:11 PM
And Sarge... you need a sarcasm editor. Way too long, bud.
3 pages of idiotic rants about Rosenhaus and my little sarcastic tid bit is too long? Got it.
That was sarcasm, Sarge.
Sarcasm is like a crate of milk everyone spills on their shoe. I'll have my dough sour, toast it, dry it, and take your finger out my knot. Sarcasm.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/14/lesean-mccoy-lawsuit-party-bus-assault-new-jersey-turnpike/
QuoteNFL superstar LeSean McCoy has been sued by a woman who claims the running back humiliated her on a party bus -- sprayed her with a beverage -- and then booted her from the ride on the side of the Jersey Turnpike.
According to the lawsuit filed by a woman using the alias "Mary Roe" ... the Philadelphia Eagles RB had invited 15 women to join him on a party bus that went from Philly to a NYC nightclub on December 18, 2012.
SD just gave a standing O
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2013, 02:14:54 PM
QuoteNFL superstar LeSean McCoy has been sued by a woman who claims the running back humiliated her on a party bus -- sprayed her with a beverage -- and then booted her from the ride on the side of the Jersey Turnpike.
According to the lawsuit filed by a woman using the alias "Mary Roe" ... the Philadelphia Eagles RB had invited 15 women to join him on a party bus that went from Philly to a NYC nightclub on December 18, 2012.
SD just gave a standing O
probably more like a golf clap since the bitch is still breathing
felix jones
So he sprayed water on someone? Someone who he invited to get drunk on a bus and go club-hopping with? Excuse me if I'm having a hard time mustering a lot of outrage. No they shouldn't have left her by the side of the road. Yeah they probably were being a very obnoxious and I'm sure she didn't appreciate it. But expecting to get 50 large out of the situation may be just a wee bit optimistic on her part.
especially when she waited six months to file suit
thats actually pretty common
shtein you see plenty of head scratching lawsuits that are filed years years back and they still get awarded
not in this case.....unless he flips her a few beans to make her go away she aint gettin shtein
Quote from: rjs246 on May 14, 2013, 02:35:50 PM
So he sprayed water on someone? Someone who he invited to get drunk on a bus and go club-hopping with? Excuse me if I'm having a hard time mustering a lot of outrage. No they shouldn't have left her by the side of the road. Yeah they probably were being a very obnoxious and I'm sure she didn't appreciate it. But expecting to get 50 large out of the situation may be just a wee bit optimistic on her part.
You just hate women. Women hater. I'm sure you'd be happier if she were let out then murdered and raped.
I actually almost added an addendum to my post noting that I expected you to get your knickers in a twist over what I was saying and comparing it to everyone's comments about your lady-hating ways. Clockwork.
why is this news
lesean mccoy is acting like a dumbass. a skank is acting link a skank. the sun sets, it rises, theres a moon, high tide, low tide, bla bla bla
Actually, the sun doesn't do shtein. The earth rotates giving the appearance that the sun rises and sets, but I get your point, but just incase people didn't really know what was happening outside of our flat earth.
(http://i.imgur.com/lJEY0hu.jpg)
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/10-observations-eagles-lions
Quote1. There has never been a more explosive fourth-quarter tailback in the history of the game. With his 40- and 57-yard touchdown runs Sunday, McCoy extended his own NFL record of fourth-quarter TD runs of 40 yards or more to seven. Nobody else in NFL history has ever had more than four. McCoy is 25. Think about that.
2. McCoy is only the fourth player in NFL history with two TD runs of 40 yards or more in the same fourth quarter. Hall of Famer Marion Motley did it for the Browns in 1946, LeShon Johnson of the Cards in 1996 and Corey Dillon of the Bengals in 2000. Keep giving him the ball. He will make a big play.
3. One more on Shady. Think about his numbers against the Lions for a moment: 29 carries for a franchise record 217 yards, with 137 yards in the fourth quarter, including TD runs of 40 and 53 yards. Truly a historic performance. McCoy now has 1,305 rushing yards this year, on pace for 1,606. He needs just 208 to break Wilbert Montgomery's franchise record, set in 1979.
lol at phillymic wanting a "big back" in the beginning of the thread
I still want a fullback, though.
Big Balls Chip scoffs at FBs...
So...does Shady win the MVP at the end of the season?
If the Eagles win the division, he'd be a legitimate candidate. But if the Eagles are on the couch come January, then no.
Team MVP, or most valuable player not named Manning?
lol yeah on what planet would he be mvp over manning....he probably going to throw for over FIFTY touchdowns
generally for a rb you need to get a huge td or yardage total....like in the 20's for touchdowns (but minimum 15) or 2000+ for rush yards or 2300 total yards...theres been exceptions but not for at least 20 years and most likely in a down year for qb numbers....certainly not in a year where a qb breaks an all time touchdown record
for god sakes shady has less rushing touchdowns than eddie farging lacy
It was brought up as a possibility by the talking heads on all the networks after the Detroit game, and it seems to still being discussed now. Shady's probably finishing with around 2200 total yards assuming Chip doesn't ignore him for Chris Polk these last two games...lack of scoring definitely hurts though. Hard to believe he's only scored 8 times with the way he's running this season.
Before the season I said if the Eagles miraculously make the playoffs, Shady wins MVP... but I had no idea Peyton would have the best season of any QB all time. He wins and it's not even close. When was the last time a RB even won MVP? Shaun Alexander when he had 25 TDs?
Pretty sure AP won it last year...at least I think he did.
farg. Yeah. Woops.
It's actually not as rare as I thought it might be...from 1993 til 2012, 7 RB's have won (with one share)...so about a 3rd of the time.
I'm guessing it ends up Peyton, Shady, Charles in that order...maybe people make a case for Brady considering what he's done with all those injuries.
Quote from: Dillen on December 20, 2013, 12:34:39 PM
Before the season I said if the Eagles miraculously make the playoffs, Shady wins MVP... but I had no idea Peyton would have the best season of any QB all time. He wins and it's not even close. When was the last time a RB even won MVP? Shaun Alexander when he had 25 TDs?
running backs win it but with a few exceptions they dont win it without having special numbers and nothing about shady this year is special
assuming he doesnt go wild the last two weeks and get like 500-600 yards total offense or some shtein
emmitt in 1993 was a huge exception...but i think what won it for him was that he had one of the most special games ever....the shoulder game at the meadowlands
Foles has a better shot than Shady and his chances are nil.
Peyton wins it going away maybe even unanimously.
Spent a little time wondering who my top 5 MVP candidates are and how I'd rank them:
Brady - No way the Pats are contending without him this year.
Alex Smith - Yeah, I said it. And yeah, I'm putting him this high because farg you. The Chiefs didn't overhaul their roster this year, it's basically the same roster from the 2-14 team from last year + Alex Smith.
Shady - He's excelling in this style of offense, but a lack of consistency will probably hurt him with voters.
Jamal Charles - He'll probably end up as the Comeback Player of the Year as a consolation prize, but he's very much worthy of MVP consideration.
Peyton Manning - The Broncos are a playoff team with or without Manning. They just wouldn't be as fun to watch without him. With him, they're a 13 win team. Put an Alex Smith or Nick Foles or Josh McCown in there and they still win 10 games.
Of course, Peyton's probably going to win it because most people assume that great stats is the same thing as being most valuable. Whatevs.
I agree with were you're coming from with Smith. I feel the same way about Foles. With Vick starting the Eagles suck and are no were near the division title. With Foles they are a contender. Shady has been off the hook but lack of scoring is the big stat that would hurt him with voters imo, and it seems that stats are what they look at the most. I point too Peyton with 51 td's and over 5 thousand yards. It's hard to argue against a record breaking year until you look at what players like Smith, Brady, Shady and Foles really mean to the success of their team.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 20, 2013, 02:32:57 PM
Peyton Manning - The Broncos are a playoff team with or without Manning. They just wouldn't be as fun to watch without him. With him, they're a 13 win team. Put an Alex Smith or Nick Foles or Josh McCown in there and they still win 10 games.
Of course, Peyton's probably going to win it because most people assume that great stats is the same thing as being most valuable. Whatevs.
If Peyton Manning is worth 3 more wins than someone else you list as an MVP candidate, that makes him the MVP. Why does it matter how good their teams are? He would improve any team you could put him on, beyond the abilities of any other player.
If there's a Biggest Difference to His Team award, maybe it should go to someone else. The Most Valuable Player in the league in 2013 is Peyton Manning and it isn't even close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxraBDVn-Go&feature=share
Charles is inactive, so Shady wins the rushing title
first RB in franchise history to be named NFC Offensive Player of the Month
Hard to believe considering the stable of All Pro backs they've had in the past.
After the season he had I've been wondering what numbers Shady could have put up if Andy had run the ball once in a while.
shady didnt have a back like eldra buckley taking carries away from him this year
Imagine what he could have done if he'd had a full 20 carries a game this year. He'd have gotten 21 more yards this season.
There are some really good rb's in the league right now, I'm just happy the Eagles have one of the best. He could last longer than most because he doesn't take those big hits, doesn't run violent. That is, if his legs hold out.
He has 2-3 years of being an elite rb left max.
Max. This year was likely his peak.
Yes, this past year was most likely the most yards we'll ever see from him. I'd just like him to stay close to those numbers.
FedEx Ground Player of the year award...
this link has a nice list of all his achievements this year.
you know how I like things all in one place.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/2/1/5368736/nfl-honor-awards-show-2014-lesean-mccoy-named-fedex-ground-player-year
The Eagles are lucky to have the man. With the way he runs, he could have a long productive career.
what the farg is wrong with you
Why don't you tell me?
Cause I can't answer the same for myself.
But there is something farging wrong with you. That I know.
Wow. Withdraw or just having a bad day? Either way you must be here way too much to get worked up over some off the wall comment I make.
Let me see if I can help you through this...
Quote from: Diomedes on January 17, 2014, 08:14:37 AM
Max. This year was likely his peak.
Quote from: shorebird on January 17, 2014, 08:56:56 PM
Yes, this past year was most likely the most yards we'll ever see from him. I'd just like him to stay close to those numbers.
Quote from: shorebird on February 19, 2014, 10:18:26 PM
The Eagles are lucky to have the man. With the way he runs, he could have a long productive career.
whenever shore posts that late it was more than likely dollar bud night at the legion and he gets a pass
Quote from: rjs246 on February 20, 2014, 10:10:23 AM
Let me see if I can help you through this...
Quote from: Diomedes on January 17, 2014, 08:14:37 AM
Max. This year was likely his peak.
Quote from: shorebird on January 17, 2014, 08:56:56 PM
Yes, this past year was most likely the most yards we'll ever see from him. I'd just like him to stay close to those numbers.
Quote from: shorebird on February 19, 2014, 10:18:26 PM
The Eagles are lucky to have the man. With the way he runs, he could have a long productive career.
So....even if he has a long career (for a rb), he might not ever top those numbers from last year. Most likely won't. With the elusive way he runs, he could have a long career, doesn't mean he'll ever have one like last year and I've already spent too much energy on this.
STFU already.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/05/06/vinny-cerrato-says-taterskins-couldve-traded-up-for-lesean-mccoy-in-2009-nfl-draft/
Thank goodness for that idiot RB coach!
I've heard that story on the 10-3 105.7 The Fan on CBS Baltimore radio. Cerrato is on there with a guy named Rob Long. I like Long, not so much Cerrato. Cerrato's supposed to be coming out with a book and a lot of it will be about his time with the taterskins. He was with San Fran the years before that, so it could be an interesting book.
Shady tells ESPN he's the best RB in the NFL (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10954305/lesean-mccoy-philadelphia-eagles-says-best-rb-nfl)
Cue devastating spine injury.
This shtein annoys me from the media. Someone asks a player if he thinks he's the best. Player says yes and it's somehow a news story.
If he's so good maybe he should try being the rushing leader some year.
lol
https://twitter.com/CutonDime25/status/497836575867568128
thats fake right? looks like an edit job the way it flies off screen.
It's got to be fake. The fargin' disc shoots out of his hands like a UFO.
Made me laugh anyway.
whats the deal with shady catching passes blindfolded
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2014, 10:55:54 PM
whats the deal with shady catching passes blindfolded
He's the man?
His shoes come out soon
http://instagram.com/p/qzjsODLXNh/
Mccoy using PED's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gheCdolA--M&feature=youtu.be
thats really gonna be a kick in the balls when he actually does get busted.
That was emotional. :'(
Wow. I love how he's going to give an individual box to each teammate....signed by him.
Dryer sheets. FOR MEN. The national nightmare is over, fellas. We can shop for dryer sheets without people laughing at us.
ESPN Mag article on how Chip changed Shady over the past 18 months (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11348255/how-philadelphia-eagles-coach-chip-kelly-converted-lesean-mccoy-believer-espn-magazine)
So what I get from that is Shady's going to die on the field, but Chip will know it'll happen two seconds before it does.
Great read
lol at him smiling and telling dude this
QuoteAt an afternoon practice, McCoy slaps Kelly's ass, just to mess with him. Later, Kelly approaches him, looking serious. Now, in instances like this, you never know what Kelly might say. Once, after a goal-line fumble by Santos, his quarterback at UNH, Kelly put a comforting arm around him and said, "Congratulations for single-handedly losing us the game." A couple of years later, when Santos came to the sideline in the tense fourth quarter of a playoff game, Kelly said, "What commercial do you think is on right now? I bet it's that Peyton Manning commercial -- 'Cut that meat!'" Santos laughed and then threw the game-winning touchdown.
This time, Kelly says to Shady, "Did you get hurt?"
McCoy is confused. Hamstring? Knees? Shoulder? Nope, all good. "Hurt?" he says.
"Your hand! This thing's tight."
http://philly.eater.com/archives/2014/09/08/eagles-lesean-mccoy-20-cent-tip-pyt.php
Classy.
shady is the feature story on a new E:60 tomorrow night
Quote from: Rome on September 08, 2014, 06:10:24 PM
http://philly.eater.com/archives/2014/09/08/eagles-lesean-mccoy-20-cent-tip-pyt.php
Classy.
wow what a pos
low tippers and litterers = bottom of the not super serious list of worst people in the world
I just read some of the comments left on that page. JFC people really are appalling.
Black people give terrible tips. Why is anyone surprised? Go ahead flame me for saying something that is true.
Wasn't there something a few years ago about his girl or ex or something on twitter where he posted a lot of pretty terrible shtein? I don't remember the details and don't feel like researching it.
yeah he called her a funhole or something terrible....he also was accused by a whore of assaulting her and then trying to leave her stranded on the shoulder of the nj turnpike from a party bus he had rented
Quote from: Chameleon on September 08, 2014, 06:34:33 PM
Black people give terrible tips. Why is anyone surprised? Go ahead flame me for saying something that is true.
so do white people...which shouldnt surprise anyone either...go ahead and flame me for saying something that is true
Lol what a jerkoff for only leaving a $0.20 tip
Bowen asked him about it and he said it was bullshtein
Bad tippers and bigots. That's it. That's my list.
You forgot fatties, smokers, and vegans.
Vegans are all bigots, fatties and smokers are bad tippers.
to be fair its entirely possible his boy left the tip...id imagine shady doesnt even touch his credit cards
Quote from: MDS on September 08, 2014, 08:09:15 PM
to be fair its entirely possible his boy left the tip...id imagine shady doesnt even touch his credit cards
if he was there and his card was being used to pay for it then its all on him...actually when im not paying ill make sure whoever im with gives a fat tip....or ill offer to tip to make sure it straight...amd im not a famous person in a twitterverse
youre also not a complete moron like shady is. this isnt the first example of him being brain dead.
bowen tweeted that they had a problem with the service, hence the bad tip.
i watched the game with the same collection of idiots i always do and some of them tip like dicks. it's embarrassing and like igy i make sure to make up the difference but it's really getting old. at the beginning of every season i give them a lecture about tipping the goddamn waitress, but in the end it's usually me dropping 40% because i'm a sucker.
btw... i've tipped people like 10% before because they were awful, but leaving 20 cents is just being a farging dickface. he should be ashamed if that's his response to people who work for a living.
i will still tip terrible service 20%...maybe he or she had a bad day...maybe it was the kitchens fault...or maybe shtein happens sometimes
if a place continually delivers bad service i just stop going...but a one time bad visit im giving the benefit of the doubt to the server
Come on Shady leave some change behind
She was a bitch but I don't care
She brought our food out on time
And wore a funky barrette in her hair
Come on Shady leave some change behind
She was a bitch but good enough
To leave some change everybody's good
Enough for some change
(More than twenty cents, though. You shteinbag. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. I still love you, you cheap bastich.)
Quote from: Rome on September 08, 2014, 08:02:26 PM
You forgot fatties, smokers, and vegans.
I do have a deep seeded and borderline embarrassing bias against all fat people. Truth.
Smokers and vegans I've got nothing against. I smoked for years. Probably still would if not for extenuating circumstances. Vegans are just misguided hippy douches and they're usually more tolerable than misguided conservative douches so I'll count that as a win. Plus, more meat for me.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2014, 08:30:50 PM
i will still tip terrible service 20%...maybe he or she had a bad day...maybe it was the kitchens fault...or maybe shtein happens sometimes
if a place continually delivers bad service i just stop going...but a one time bad visit im giving the benefit of the doubt to the server
I also go with the permanent 20%. It's easy to calculate and keeps the servers from thinking I'm a cheap icehole. No one ever gets a 5% tip and thinks "I treated those people so badly, I deserved this." They just think you are a cheap icehole. If you have a real problem, see the manager, use a comment card, call a hotline or just go to a nicer establishment next time. If it's about the money for you, maybe you
are a cheap icehole.
I hate tipping culture, especially in non-restaurant situations. It's often socially awkward, sometimes you end up in situations where it's unclear if/how much you should tip, you gotta have the right change on you.... basically it sucks. It feels like a system that evolved out of dirty old men slipping $20s into waitresses' pockets and winking at them. I prefer the system overseas where tipping isn't really a thing. Although I admit that in those countries you more often get service workers who are ruder, slower, and basically care less about doing a good job.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 08, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
I prefer the system overseas where tipping isn't really a thing. Although I admit that in those countries you more often get service workers who are ruder, slower, and basically care less about doing a good job.
They're paid a living wage and don't have to worry about not having rent money because some guy had a spotty fork, so they don't bother faking it.
I generally go 20%, rounded up to the next dollar. I'll go 25% for exceptional service. Very rarely will I go below, and that has to be for extremely rude or shoddy service. Even then I'll go 15%.
They're trying to make a living. If I can afford to eat there, I can afford the tip.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 08, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
If it's about the money for you, maybe you are a cheap icehole.
the difference btwn a 20% tip and a 10% tip on an average dinner for two is most times gonna be less than five bucks....if that makes a difference to you then you probably shouldn't be eating out to begin with
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 08, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2014, 08:30:50 PM
i will still tip terrible service 20%...maybe he or she had a bad day...maybe it was the kitchens fault...or maybe shtein happens sometimes
if a place continually delivers bad service i just stop going...but a one time bad visit im giving the benefit of the doubt to the server
I also go with the permanent 20%. It's easy to calculate and keeps the servers from thinking I'm a cheap icehole. No one ever gets a 5% tip and thinks "I treated those people so badly, I deserved this." They just think you are a cheap icehole. If you have a real problem, see the manager, use a comment card, call a hotline or just go to a nicer establishment next time. If it's about the money for you, maybe you are a cheap icehole.
I hate tipping culture, especially in non-restaurant situations. It's often socially awkward, sometimes you end up in situations where it's unclear if/how much you should tip, you gotta have the right change on you.... basically it sucks. It feels like a system that evolved out of dirty old men slipping $20s into waitresses' pockets and winking at them. I prefer the system overseas where tipping isn't really a thing. Although I admit that in those countries you more often get service workers who are ruder, slower, and basically care less about doing a good job.
I think being slower is a cultural thing too. They're ruder because you're an American. I don't think they care less about doing a good job though.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 08, 2014, 09:41:57 PMI think being slower is a cultural thing too. They're ruder because you're an American.
There might be some of that going on in Europe and Latin America, although a lot of times they are nicer to Americans than to other Euros because they know our dumb asses tip more than their customary 5%, 10% or whatever.
The countries where there is no tipping at all are the Asian countries where they usually like white people's money and aren't known for being slow or lazy.
If you read any travel forums there are always a ton of tipping threads from foreigners who don't get the tipping culture here.
I tried to tip in Peru just thinking that was how it is ...and was told it was not necessary. I still did it because I didn't feel right NOT doing it.
If the service sucks I will tip less but I will let it be known that I am doing so because the service sucked and the server was an icehole. So if they were to think I was a cheapskate then I wouldn't give a shtein because they are an icehole anyway. But I will say this...I have only do this probably twice in my life. Usually I receive at least adequate service and many times it is pretty good. And a normal tip for me is 20-25pct. I also overtip when gambling at the tables. I once filled up an entire craps tables tip box with singles because of the bets I was making for the dealers.
Tipping is bullshtein, you're essentially adding 20% to the cost of your meal because owners are greedy fargs who don't want to pay their workers. Mom and pop stores I understand but I don't know how giant chain restaurants get away with it.
I tip anywhere from 20-25% because I know the poor person waiting on me is probably only getting $3 an hour from the establishment. Plus waiting is a good way to earn a living if you don't have a degree.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2014, 09:40:51 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 08, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
If it's about the money for you, maybe you are a cheap icehole.
the difference btwn a 20% tip and a 10% tip on an average dinner for two is most times gonna be less than five bucks....if that makes a difference to you then you probably shouldn't be eating out to begin with
I actually agree with this but I was referring to an isolated incident or two where the service was beyond terrible. I was a bartender and I know cheap fargs when I see them. I'm far from one, trust me on that.
Also - I have taken it upon myself to speak to the owners of restaurants before if the food or service is horrendous. I mean, they have to know these things, otherwise they're never going to change or improve. The converse is true as well. I had one of the best goddamn Thai meals I've ever tasted yesterday. It was damn near perfect and I mentioned that to the server and the manager as well. I mean, it's hard to farg up cashew chicken, but still... great service and excellent food should be noted, especially in a shteinhole like this "city" where good restaurants are as rare as hens teeth.
Both my wife and I worked in restaurants and we've always been the type to tip well. The only time i've left a tip like that was the last time I stepped a foot into TGIFridays around 2002. It's one thing for a waiter or waitress to be dealing with a bad cook or kitchen, its a whole other thing where you combine that with a bitchy attitude and ignoring customers.
The worst tippers are typically the worst drivers. FACT
Sounds to me like Rome is a cheap farg
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 09, 2014, 07:58:26 AM
Sounds to me like Rome is a cheap farg
100% true. I'm Mr Pink in Reservoir Dogs.
One time in a job interview they asked me what my biggest flaw was and I said that I tip too much.
What a terrible question.
I answered that by saying that my worst flaw is that I don't answer trap questions or play stupid games like that.
Impatience with iceholes who ask moronic canned questions.
Posting on :CF
Quote from: rjs246 on September 08, 2014, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: Rome on September 08, 2014, 08:02:26 PM
You forgot fatties, smokers, and vegans.
I do have a deep seeded and borderline embarrassing bias against all fat people. Truth.
Smokers and vegans I've got nothing against. I smoked for years. Probably still would if not for extenuating circumstances. Vegans are just misguided hippy douches and they're usually more tolerable than misguided conservative douches so I'll count that as a win. Plus, more meat for me.
Well said sir.
Vegans won't eat eggs because they consider them to be the product of slave labor.
I have a hard time respecting that kind of position. Chicken slaves, holy christ that's cute.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192500-restaurants-attempt-to-call-out-lesean-mccoy-for-bad-tip-backfires
never leave a big tip at a brit milah
Jesus just leave a farging decent tip and none of this matters. What is wrong with people?
Jeez, it's not like he clocked his fiance or anything like that. oops. Too soon?
Quote from: Diomedes on September 09, 2014, 02:55:16 PM
Vegans won't eat eggs because they consider them to be the product of slave labor.
I have a hard time respecting that kind of position. Chicken slaves, holy christ that's cute.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2014, 10:52:55 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192500-restaurants-attempt-to-call-out-lesean-mccoy-for-bad-tip-backfires
I agree with this article. Boo hoo a celebrity short tipped someone, the service obviously blew. You don't air that shtein out on social media then make some lame farging statement about what a big fan you are. Loser. Hope the owner is fired.
looks like i will continue never going to PYT.
a hipster douchebag burger joint gets all vagina like over a cheap tip as a result of lousy service.
my only question is how hasn't igy given a review of this place already?
I agree with all of this including the part about McCoy being a spoiled, entitled, undoubtedly soon to be flat broke icehole.
Honest question, how did he get the nickname Shady?
Quote from: phillycrew on September 10, 2014, 11:52:17 AM
Honest question, how did he get the nickname Shady?
QuoteEagles running back LeSean McCoy received the nickname "Shady" from his mother as a baby, due to his constantly changing mood. McCoy's mother said that her son would "go from smiling one minute to shy the next."
Heard he's changing his twitter handle to "@CutonTWOdimes25"... :paranoid
lol
Ha. That's legit.
:-D
Quote from: Rome on September 10, 2014, 11:45:35 AM
I agree with all of this including the part about McCoy being a spoiled, entitled, undoubtedly soon to be flat broke icehole.
whether its beating a women or being a cheap ahole you gotta love sports fans defending their favorite athletes no matter what
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Leave Shady alone! Just leave him alone!
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/09/charlie-sheen-offers-1k-to-waiter-lesean-mccoy-tipped-20/
Really? First game of the season, 34 unanswered points in the second half, Shady rushes for a measly 74 yards and a 3.5 yard avg.
Three and a piece pages of his piss poor tipping. Hahahaha!
To think I came here looking for some football talk.
You're all a bunch of jerk offs.
We got him! Yeah! The 14 year plan pays off!
:-D
Quote from: shorebird on September 10, 2014, 10:41:37 PM
Shady rushes for a measly 74 yards and a 3.5 yard avg.
74 x 16 = 1184
Quote from: shorebird on September 10, 2014, 10:41:37 PM
Really? First game of the season, 34 unanswered points in the second half, Shady rushes for a measly 74 yards and a 3.5 yard avg.
Three and a piece pages of his piss poor tipping. Hahahaha!
To think I came here looking for some football talk.
You're all a bunch of jerk offs.
Haha...
Wingspan hacked Shore's account.
https://twitter.com/BoopStats/status/510258925497614337/photo/1
QuoteHe said he used his Visa card to pay for the meal instead of using cash because he wanted to make sure restaurant management knew who he was.
"The 20-cent tip was more just kind of a statement," he said. "You can't just disrespect somebody and [expect] them to tip you. I don't care who the person is. That's why I left my card, so they could see my name. Simple as that."
McCoy was asked about the report that actor Charlie Sheen -- who has spent much of his career in legal trouble and in 2009 was arrested for assaulting his wife -- had offered to pay the waiter $1,000.
"That's cool," McCoy said. "I'm happy he's finally doing something positive."
McCoy finished, adding: "On another note, I didn't do anything wrong."
and thus ends the dumbest 3-day story of a non-event since the last time something stupid happened like 2 weeks ago
the E:60 story on him was really good. they had video of him breaking his ankle in high school, it was ugly.
Quote from: SunMo on September 12, 2014, 08:03:25 AM
the E:60 story on him was really good. they had video of him breaking his ankle in high school, it was ugly.
espn was so bogus with that....they teased it last week like it was new.....but its a couple years old
maybe part of it was old, but some of the footage at the end from his house he was watching Seahawks and Packers from opening night
bogus
Quote from: SunMo on September 12, 2014, 08:09:15 AM
maybe part of it was old, but some of the footage at the end from his house he was watching Seahawks and Packers from opening night
oh i only watched the first half and it was all the same...they must have spliced something in at the end...weaker than seven days
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2014, 07:38:36 AM
Quote from: shorebird on September 10, 2014, 10:41:37 PM
Shady rushes for a measly 74 yards and a 3.5 yard avg.
74 x 16 = 1184
I'm looking more at a 3.5 yd. avg. And with the way offensive lineman are dropping like flies on this team it doesn't look to get any better.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/09/tommy-ups-friend-is-aucitioning-off-lesean-mccoys-receipt-on-ebay.html
Lololol what a attention whoring scumbag
Someone should go to PYT this weekend and smack dude in the head
I volunteer Todd
Quote from: shorebird on September 13, 2014, 01:11:17 PM
I'm looking more at a 3.5 yd. avg.
"a measly 74 yards" says you arent
possible meltdown coming
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2014, 01:46:25 PM
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/09/tommy-ups-friend-is-aucitioning-off-lesean-mccoys-receipt-on-ebay.html
Lololol what a attention whoring scumbag
Someone should go to PYT this weekend and smack dude in the head
I volunteer Todd
...and someone even worse will buy it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2014, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: shorebird on September 13, 2014, 01:11:17 PM
I'm looking more at a 3.5 yd. avg.
"a measly 74 yards" says you arent
Whatever. The line looks like it could be a problem and the reason he might not come close to last years numbers.
Been hearing he has turf toe. He's not the same player this season. It's easy enough to put the blame on the O line or say Defenses are stacking the box because both are true, but he's lost a step.
I buy the turf toe thing
He's not able to turn the corner and is having his angles cut down by LBs
if he has a turf toe and he might then he should at a minimum be on the injury report every week and at most sit a game or two....I don't wanna hear turf toe shtein after he stinks for five games
weak excuses
Chip isn't exactly forthcoming with injuries as evidenced by him never giving any updates.
He hurt his toe at the end of the pre-season...so it could be lingering from that. So you have already heard about it
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 06, 2014, 08:00:56 AM
if he has a turf toe and he might then he should at a minimum be on the injury report every week and at most sit a game or two....I don't wanna hear turf toe shtein after he stinks for five games
weak excuses
You're right. This injury is totally bullshtein. The vague injury theory you've been throwing around is much more plausible.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2014, 08:45:00 AM
Chip isn't exactly forthcoming with injuries as evidenced by him never giving any updates.
He hurt his toe at the end of the pre-season...so it could be lingering from that. So you have already heard about it
chip doesn't have too...but there are huge fines for falsifying the weekly injury report
if hes hurt and im pretty sure he isnt then chip should be fired for negligence for putting a guy out there for five straight weeks who cant play
What?
Athletes are renowned for playing through pain and turf toe, while it can be bad, can be played through. Hockey players play through much worse...
But if it is enough to hobble him just a bit that would lessen his explosiveness...something you've wondered about, right?
So where does the blame lie? Whose fault is it that he's not running well? You have already pretty much absolved the OL of any wrongdoing...
turf toe is not something you can play thru....rest is the number one treatment...no coach in his right mind would try to have a rb play thru a turf toe
the main culprit is that his body is torn down from all the touches last year...even when he gets holes he doesn't go thru them with the burst he had last year....hes getting run down by linebackers on the edge....ect...
I don't recall him looking sluggish in the pre-season...but he had that toe injury late and hes been slower since
i dont recall specifically how he looked in the preseason because hes running half assed against veterans playing half assed and half assed second stringers so i don't really pay attention to him
ftr he had 11 carries for 43 yards
i dont see how can anyone can deny shady has lost a step
it happens to running backs...they get a lot of touches...they got old...they get slower. hes still a good back, just needs to quit dancing and bouncing shtein to the outside. youre not 23 anymore, bub.
Quote from: MDS on October 06, 2014, 03:14:23 PM
i dont see how can anyone can deny shady has lost a step
it happens to running backs...they get a lot of touches...they got old...they get slower. hes still a good back, just needs to quit dancing and bouncing shtein to the outside. youre not 23 anymore, bub.
He's 26. Time to cut his old ass.
when it goes, it goes for running backs. shady isnt DONE but he's definitely not the same back he was last season.
Don't worry, he's just going to live on a big farm upstate where he can juke linebackers all day.
If anyone thinks he's lost it at 26 after one heavy workload season is nuts. You should probably go see a head doctor.
You're stupid, Phreak. That's way more likely than some unannounced toe injury, poor play from backup linemen, or Satan demending his payment for the Lions game last year.
lol good point
His bill came due on last season and now he'll be crippled soon. He should start a hot links business like Earl Campbell
Or start stealing money from friends and family like Irving Fryar and Koy Detmer.
Koy is thievin?!
Four Former NFL Players Including Ty Detmer And Jeff Blake Charged For Participating In A Ponzi Scheme (http://www.businessinsider.com/four-nfl-players-charged-in-a-ponzi-scheme-2010-1)
QuoteFour former NFL players will now have to defend themselves in the ponzi lawsuit against Austin, TX-based Triton Financial.
Last week, plaintiff's lawyers added retired NFL-ers Ty Detmer, his brother Koy Detmer, Chris Weinke and Jeff Blake to the list of defendants in a private lawsuit against Triton Financial, an investment firm that the SEC is investigating for an alleged $50 million ponzi scheme.
Yeah, no doubt in my mind that toe injury in the 3rd preseason game was more serious than Shady let on and is letting on. Probably dealing with turf toe and just manning up instead of resting for a couple weeks.
I have absolutely zero concern shady has "lost it". None. I just think this is a particularly bad situation at the moment for his running style, the way D's are playing the Eagles, and how the line is constructed.
lol why do you guys keep bringing up him losing it....hes 26
last year took a toll on him....that doesn't mean hes going to retire this offseason
Chip was asked why Shady was out of the game on the last 4 plays and he said he took himself out
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 06, 2014, 06:24:20 PM
lol why do you guys keep bringing up him losing it....hes 26
last year took a toll on him....that doesn't mean hes going to retire this offseason
losing it does not = lost some of it
273 was his career high rushes before last year and that was by a whopping 67 carries to his next closest season
last year was 314
It's probably a case of Shady losing a step and not the absence of three starters on the offensive line.
Yep, that must be it.
sproles must be like what 21 then?
or maybe hes in his 30's but has the mileage of someone much younger
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With a little awareness, and some brain damage, Foles could have helped turn that play around. Or McCoy could have just eaten the four yard loss instead of trying to be a hero.
8 blue jersies perusing, 8 white jersies in another solar system. Encouraging.
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lolol
but does the cat have turf toe or is he just done?
Jim farging Brown couldn't get yards behind this line.
Yet Darren Sproles can.
https://instagram.com/p/0JQJ7grXOD/
:(
youll have a new running back to fawn over and be creepily attached to even though youre like 40 and this is what 10 year olds do
cheer up, buttercup
I'm not 40
And I'm certainly not a creeper.
oh man oh man
Tell me how I'm a creeper, buddy
And do it without a hint of irony.
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=298821741
Well then...tell us how ya really feel.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=298821741
Well then...tell us how ya really feel.
I once dumped a chick because she wouldn't shave her bush. I totally read that article in her voice with my mind.
Substitute "north-south" runner for "hardwood" and you get the gist.
Jilted.Girlfriend.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 06, 2015, 07:24:51 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=298821741
Well then...tell us how ya really feel.
I once dumped a chick because she wouldn't shave her bush. I totally read that article in her voice with my mind.
Substitute "north-south" runner for "hardwood" and you get the gist.
Jilted.Girlfriend.
I love you! :-D
QuoteBut I don't really have any hate for him. I really don't. In the beginning I did, but I don't
Beginning of what? Chip's early days in Philly or shortly after being traded?
C'mon Big Balls, respond.
Haha at BB's comment...
And I laughed a bit when he said he ignored Chip's calls after bitching that Chip didn't talk to him.
hes jilted...but he aint lying about "chip kelly and the eagles"
chip loves the attention
He doesn't like stars. He signed last season's first team All Pro RB, but he doesn't like stars.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 06, 2015, 11:05:47 PM
He doesn't like stars. He signed last season's first team All Pro RB, but he doesn't like stars.
he definitely doesnt like loud negroes
Culture
Looks to me that he doesn't like divas.
Culture is peachy until Jeff maehl leads the team in receptions this year
Quote from: Diomedes on April 07, 2015, 07:34:37 AM
Looks to me that he doesn't like divas.
watch it there, to a race baiter divas means loud negroes.
Quote from: smeags on April 08, 2015, 08:32:02 AMwatch it there, to a race baiter divas means loud negroes.
I actually typed in "upp1ty n3gro" (with the real letters) and the filter changed it to that.
GF been uppin' his game.
DieHard hasn't been round these parts in years. Like most the rest of the people who used to chill here.
Where the farg Sassy at?
Quote from: Diomedes on April 08, 2015, 08:59:51 AM
DieHard hasn't been round these parts in years. Like most the rest of the people who used to chill here.
Where the farg Sassy at?
:-D i screwed that one up, meant to type GF but i was also typing a text out to DH and some of the other guys we tailgate with. not doing well with the multi tasking.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 08, 2015, 08:59:51 AM
Where the farg Sassy at?
Russell has a bounty on his head
Quote from: SD on April 08, 2015, 10:46:02 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 08, 2015, 08:59:51 AM
Where the farg Sassy at?
Russell has a bounty on his head
how much and will he pay through paypal ?