If these plow horses win 81 games I will personally be indifferent. I'll probably drink a lot when I watch them and then go for days without giving a shtein what happens.
Then the NFL Draft will happen and I'll spend a few days being excited about something other than porn, the LPGA and The World Cup.
Go Phils.
dont forget nba lottery nba draft!!
also nhl draft is in philly this year.....wanna go with me?
If I wanted to hang out with toothless Canadians I'd go to Wildwood in July.
eh?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2014, 07:51:34 PM
also nhl draft is in philly this year.....wanna go with me?
I'll be there
75 wins
i actually wont....i was kidding....i think it might be a toss up for me between watching a world cup match and going to a hockey draft
The slow march to irrelevancy began years ago. This season IS the irrelevancy.
what was last season?
Ruben Amaro sneaking in our windows
This season is him bludgeoning us to death with a hammer
Problems over...
Phils acquire Jayson Nix! (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Phillies_acquire_Jayson_Nix_from_Rays.html)
Laynce Nix's brother
werent they just shut out for the 3rd game in a row?
The Opening Day Roster of your 2014 World Champion Philadelphia Phillies:
Pitchers
A.J. Burnett
Justin De Fratus
Roberto Hernandez
Kyle Kendrick
Brad Lincoln
Jeff Manship
Jonathan Papelbon
B.J. Rosenberg
Antonio basticho
Jake Diekman
Mario Hollands
Cliff Lee
Infielders
Cody Asche
Cesar Hernandez
Ryan Howard
Jayson Nix
Jimmy Rollins
Chase Utley
Outfielders
Domonic Brown
Marlon Byrd
Tony Gwynn Jr.
John Mayberry Jr.
Ben Revere
Catchers
Wil Nieves
Carlos Ruiz
NL EAST CHAMPS!!!
If I had the third biggest payroll in baseball, it's hard to imagine how I could put together a better team than that. Great job, Rube!
how is john mayberry jr still on this team/in baseball
Ruben Amaro Jr is the answer to that.
He is the answer to many awful questions.
there isnt going to be much to watch this team for this team for this year but ill be following this....
top ten all time list of most ab's without a HR....with an injury free year big ben can move into the 4 spot
1. bill holbert - 2335
2 tom oliver - 1931
3 irv hall - 1904
4 pat deasley - 1466
5 tommy bond - 1441
6 roxy walters - 1426
7 paul cook - 1364
8 don sutton - 1354
9 ben revere - 1304
10. joe mcginnity - 1297
Watch Revere homer in his first at-bat this season, just to spoil it for you.
yeah that would suck....its not impossible to think he could get an inside the park homer in texas
I think he will get one this year.
Wanna bet?
no
haha damn...I was gonna throw $50 down on him jacking one to right in CBP
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/03/i-truly-respect-this-man-for-wearing-his-dane-sardinha-jersey-on-opening-day.html
DonHo...you're in Arlington for opening day??!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2014, 01:35:05 PM
haha damn...I was gonna throw $50 down on him jacking one to right in CBP
someone should take that....i think you are on the wrong side of it but its just not a bet that interests me enough to do
its honestly surprising he hasnt had a inside the park hr yet
he will never hit a hr over the fence....doesnt have the swing for it
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2014, 01:43:51 PM
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/03/i-truly-respect-this-man-for-wearing-his-dane-sardinha-jersey-on-opening-day.html
DonHo...you're in Arlington for opening day??!
holy shtein! That is to funny. J, if I ever get my hands on a Sardinha jersey I'm getting for the entire board. My wife works with his aunt so you never know.
current phillies batting average
.000
what do you put HOF's HR and RBI o/u's at this year
i think he is in for a complete debacle of a season....or do you think hes like forever gonna be a solid 20-25 75-85 guy...nothing less nothing more
hes had 1 good month in his entire major league career. hes worse defensively at his position than ryan howard is at his.
dare i say he just sucks
How is Scheppers the opening day starter for texas?
Howard looks leaner...unfortunately the lower weight hasn't made him faster
Choke obviously didn't work on his speed during spring training.
after a 4 pitch walk to ruiz and a 1-0 count asche swings at a slider in the dirt and happens to poke it where no one is. luck luck luck. but this pos teams needs that to even a score a run.
"hard core" phillies fan i work with just texted me that cliff lee is already being hit for in the 2nd inning.
lol gaaaaaaaaaaaawwwdddd jimmy
Take that haters! Wow.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 31, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
"hard core" phillies fan i work with just texted me that cliff lee is already being hit for in the 2nd inning.
lolololol
BTW - Scheppers is starting for Darvish bc Darvish is hurt
yeah boyyyyyyyyyy JIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAY!!!
cliff lee once blew a 4-0 lead in the biggest game of his life. so dont go thinking this is over, homers.
jimmy should high five everyone in the dugout but rhino
Quote from: MDS on March 31, 2014, 02:41:19 PM
cliff lee once blew a 4-0 lead in the biggest game of his life. so dont go thinking this is over, homers.
He's well on his way now.
can lee just stay in arkansas please
just remember if they miracle themselves into a 2nd wildcard they still have cliff lee to worry about.
Lee in that ballpark is just awful
come on, ACE
hof brown has the ugliest swing in baseball history
howard had a better shot of trying to steal home.
Quote from: MDS on March 31, 2014, 02:41:19 PM
cliff lee once blew a 4-0 lead in the biggest game of his life. so dont go thinking this is over, homers.
yup
hopefully this loser doesn't trash all of his trade value before the deadline.
Quote from: LBIggle on March 31, 2014, 03:14:53 PM
hopefully this loser doesn't trash all of his trade value before the deadline.
roob would have to be like 47 games out of the wild card to trade someone of value anyway
We suck!
allow me....
BOO!
hahaha what a goddamn shame!
How does ACE blow this?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2014, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: LBIggle on March 31, 2014, 03:14:53 PM
hopefully this loser doesn't trash all of his trade value before the deadline.
roob would have to be like 47 games out of the wild card to trade someone of value anyway
47 might not be that far off if the only strength on this team doesn't do what it's supposed to and pitch 6+ innings with 2 ER or less. this is reminiscent of the last few years where they would hit but not pitch and pitch but not hit then the finger pointing starts. burnett and lee will be dealt for some more gillies and aumont's.
and right on cue the nats come back to tie it
nice to see them come back and tie it.
lee has got to have a quick hook here.
GRIT!!
they get the bullpen going after 2 men are on and fielder knocks the cover off the ball but luckily right at someone. not when he gave up his 7th run. makes sense.
AAA loves opening day!
Ok, get this clown out of there. Enough of this beat down.
cliff lee eligible for the win
stats!
Quote from: MDS on March 29, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
how is john mayberry jr still on this team/in baseball
I think I saw him giving Todd the finger as he was rounding first
i'm totally cool with 15-13 games all year.
I didn't think they'd score this many runs this entire series
LA just said on the radio that they elminated the 3rd to 1st pickoff move and it's now a balk? i didn't hear anything about that all offseason, good if true.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2014, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 29, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
how is john mayberry jr still on this team/in baseball
I think I saw him giving Todd the finger as he was rounding first
JMJ is fine if he's used correctly, only in platoon situations. His splits are egregious and he should never be a regular.
Quote from: MDS on March 31, 2014, 04:07:23 PM
cliff lee eligible for the win
stats!
8 ER. Winner!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2014, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 29, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
how is john mayberry jr still on this team/in baseball
I think I saw him giving Todd the finger as he was rounding first
Since RAJ is a Jr., Phils are going to get as many Jr.'s as they can.
Nice to see Rosenblow pick up where he left off last year.
Bast r do up. J, it's showtime!
Having fun Ryno? Bullpen from Hell.
but at least they have 89mph paps to anchor all that shtein down.
Gritty little shtein.
Maybe it is good that I cannot see it - I had it on my radio at work but the goddamn wifi crapped out
it's actually an entertaining game. especially when they should've been shut out by yu darvish instead of putting up 14. as a fan of the phillies you can't help but expect them to get shut out for the rest of the series now.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 31, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
"hard core" phillies fan i work with just texted me that cliff lee is already being hit for in the 2nd inning.
That may be the post of the season. :-D
Awesome offensive explosion we probably won't see for months. WTF Cliff Lee?
Cliff was owed that for all the times he was farged out of any run support.
Quote from: SunMo on March 31, 2014, 04:28:31 PM
LA just said on the radio that they elminated the 3rd to 1st pickoff move and it's now a balk? i didn't hear anything about that all offseason, good if true.
Happened last year
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Jimmmmmmayyyy
Quote@DennisDeitch: J-Roll: "You have to have that mentality in (Philly). If you're soft, they'll wring you out. My momma didn't raise me to be no soft dude."
ill never understand how he isnt everyones favorite phillie of all time much less their favorite of this era
Me either.
But ya know...remember that time he jogged to first?!?! Or how about that time he lollygagged after a ball?!
GRIT.
BTW I wonder if Jimmy whispered "I told you ST stats don't mean shtein" to Ryno in the dugout?
amaro and J are cruising down broad showing everyone their 12 inchers
the old men gonna do it! right homers!!
Sandberg glad Rollins' 200th HR 'out of the way' (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/sandberg-glad-rollins-200th-hr-out-way?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo)
I know that Sandberg is trying to establish something of an "old school" mentality, but it is a milestone for Rollins. Celebrate a little, will ya?
you dont establish a mentality on a team with basically an entire roster of 30+ years olds and many of them lifetime phillies...especially when you were hired five minutes ago....when they officially blow this up and start over if rhino is still there then you can perhaps weild an iron fist...plus they already had the old school curmudgeon act with bowa and it failed
Agreed. That plays well for a younger team ala Kirk Gibson in Arizona. But when you have the old guys the fire and brimstone act will wear thin quickly...especially if they don't win.
I agree with both of you, but that seems to be exactly what he's trying to do. Swinging the pendulum from Uncle Cholly, like Bowa did from Francona.
Either Amaro will actually begin to tear down the team and get younger, giving Sandberg something to work with, or Sandberg won't last that long.
Either way Phillies baseball is entering a period in the wilderness. Hopefully that costs Amaro his job.
what
you or me or the ghost of connie mack could manage the phillies and the result would be the same. the players are who they are and sandberg, manuel, bowa, havas, greenberg arent going to play a difference in the end result.
basticho leading the league in ERA.
it's different than when bowa was managing because of where the core is in their careers. if they don't like what rhino is pedaling it won't take long for some to be shown the door before he's fired. there's no more chances for them or caring what they like. the only wishful thinking is hoping amaro doesn't deal players for the sake of his job for pennies on the dollar or they actually have one last run in them.
byrd hitting 4th, cesar hernandez playing, no hof brown
ryno is not uncle cholly
just watched ryan howard look hopeless and flail at a terrible 2 strike pitch against a left hander. its officially spring!
haha he got on his first three times yesterday and now has struck out four times in a row.
CHOKE DAWG
martin perez next in a long line of mediocre left handers that look like steve carlton against this team
jayson nix has to be laynce nix's brother right? equally stupid names.
Rangers TV crew isn't very good.
14-10 yesterday and 0-0 now...yep, that's your Phils!
7ks for them so far
Yeah they are bros...
shtein i thought that shot by Beltre was gooooone
Revere just saves his face on that bunt.
Jimmmmaaayyyyyyy
Revere picked off...on replay
and it cost them a run...nice job, Benjamin.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 01, 2014, 09:53:45 PM
Revere picked off...on replay
Good reversal. Revere was clearly out.
Howard doubled off a lefty! :o
CHOKE!
he too shot mds the finger as he was rounding first.
Good job to turn on that inside pitch
Way to have a shut down inning!
Burnett you already fit right in with this team!
shut down inning, huh?
Marlonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn yeah! Keep on keepin' on with those Victor Conte PEDs, son!
WOW! Nice play all around by Bryd.
ryno the anti manuel
letting diekman face beltre
Diekman gives it up...jeez
Good job you skinny kraut.
shows the kind of confidence ryno has in the right handers in the bullpen. diekman stinks against righties, yet here he is
When they just panned the bums bullpen, I almost vomited.
Nice K but he still blows ass.
whaddya say here Tony B....lets have a clean inning
hes back on the juice
i dont like this team in most situations...specifically a 2-2 game in the 9th. bullpens + manufacturing runs = bad news
Hollands....throw strikes, pal.
Rosenblow warming up. I think I will vomit.
whats dumber
handing the phillies an out by bunting or not using your best relief pitcher in this spot? the answer is BOTH
Stairs and Moyer going a little overboard with the homer shtein. Damn rookies.
Hollands looks like he could be Chooch's son.
get used to that.
dude never touched third.
Well I am not exactly shocked there.
Someone let Sandberg know he has other guys in the pen. ROSENBERG BLOWS
always good to have your best pitcher in the bullpen when the game ends because you never had a lead of 1-3 runs with 3 outs to go
stats!!
Ok, it's early but get this piece of shtein Rosenberg out of here. He sucked last year and he's going to suck this year.
i just cant over how awful that bunt was by andrus...hollands cant throw a strike and hes up there handing an out away for no other reason than bunting is something that is just done.
bunting reminds me the famous short story "the lottery." something is done because its done, even though its asinine.
Listening to Todd rant against bunts and anything frowned upon by SABRs > life
listening to otherwise reasoned people deny facts like they are a republican staring at a climate change report = nauseating
bro hug?
meet me in corpus, at the selena statue. well do it there.
lol...IN...
Kendrick tomorrow...yay?
no yay
NO
is this the first year that some teams didnt have an off day after their opener?
i remembered sometimes even having a few days off after the opener. i was a little surprised to see them playing again last night.
the off day is an insurance day in case of weather
the schedule people took their chances that texas wouldnt need the weather day
I'm still on the fence about buying the package.
The cable asses don't have every game on HD so that's out.
Nice job by Kendrick to get out of that jam.
who officially becomes a platoon player first: choke or hof brown?
No doubt the 30 day wonder. He looks like a farging jerkoff out there.
I hate watching this team already. I want to punch Nix in the face and I've never even laid eyes on him before.
haha!
choke with the bomb right on cue.
hof with 2 awful strikeouts and a throwing error
where is that fraud sunmo
HOF is distracted by being in dfw. He's so close to his cowboys! Right across the street from Jerry World right now. He's excited to be that close to his favorite team for the first time
please bring in papelbon for the next 5 hitters
or dont and probably lose....whatever
Hollands getting a chance to totally redeem himself.
Don't question the great Ryno, Todd
hollands looked good but that doesnt take the illogic away of not using your best relief pitcher for their 5 best hitters. but now papelbon can get the save! stats!!
Johnny Paps about to blow this...lololol
Papsmear! Who would want this piece of trash?
Son of a bitch. Shocking.
I hope someone glued Amaro's farging eyes open so he cannot miss one second of this abortion of a BP farging up ANOTHER WIN
Oh my god
hahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahah
hah
hah
hhhhaaahha
FCK YOU AND YOUR MOTHER PAPELBON
You're right J, its so bad its funny.
If her were a horse, Papsmear would be taken back and shot.
Choo wins this battle
THIS UMPIRE CAN SUCK MY NUTS
Disgusting piece of shtein.
unreal
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i didnt come here for this, either
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2014, 11:12:21 PM
THIS UMPIRE CAN SUCK MY NUTS
lol yup it was the umpire. not the horrible pitcher barely throwing 92.
Release this hick. Whatever it costs, get this clown out of here.
I mean what a goddamn embarrassment.
Same shtein as last night. SAME EXACT shtein!
Starter solid through 6
bullpen gives up a run in the 7th
Rangers win it in the 9th
farg YOU AMARO
side note:
cliff lee 5 ip, 8 er, win
kyle kendrick 7 ip, er, no decision
stats.
side note:
farg this bullpen, farg Amaro
the good news is that isnt the loss that is going to keep them from making the playoffs
the bad news is ruben amaro can throw 60 million at a loser dud like papelbon and never see any repercussions for it
now that's a dude you outright release and take the money on the chin without looking back. a fastball that isn't very fast as your only pitch isn't going to cut it chief. he's overthrowing the ball to compensate for his lost velocity and is going to blow out his arm by june. phillies.
All it's going to take is one more performance like tonight to get this douchebag out of town. No way they can keep him around. Then again we are dealing with the most stubborn man in the world driving the bus.
QuoteBut, later, Papelbon was perturbed at his teammates' defensive alignment. He said McClure visited the mound and said, "OK, let's get a ground ball." Bench coach Larry Bowa signaled for "three" depth, which meant the priority for the infielders was eliminating the runner at third on a grounder, but a double play was still possible because the infield was not completely brought in.
Leonys Martin singled past Utley to tie the game. The next two Rangers walked.
"Obviously I don't know whether that's called for the bench or called from the middle infielders, but less than two outs I'm thinking ground ball and I'm thinking let's get this double play and go home," Papelbon said. "Obviously I'm not going to second-guess my teammates or my coach."
The ball skipped past Chase Utley, drawn in because the tying run stood on third base, and Jonathan Papelbon raised his arms in disgust.
Of course you wouldn't call your teammates out. You're above that. you icehole.
c'mon cut crapaton a break. its hard for him to get up for a meaningless game in april while the phillies are still in the race.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 03, 2014, 03:31:54 AM
QuoteBut, later, Papelbon was perturbed at his teammates' defensive alignment. He said McClure visited the mound and said, "OK, let's get a ground ball." Bench coach Larry Bowa signaled for "three" depth, which meant the priority for the infielders was eliminating the runner at third on a grounder, but a double play was still possible because the infield was not completely brought in.
Leonys Martin singled past Utley to tie the game. The next two Rangers walked.
"Obviously I don't know whether that's called for the bench or called from the middle infielders, but less than two outs I'm thinking ground ball and I'm thinking let's get this double play and go home," Papelbon said. "Obviously I'm not going to second-guess my teammates or my coach."
The ball skipped past Chase Utley, drawn in because the tying run stood on third base, and Jonathan Papelbon raised his arms in disgust.
Of course you wouldn't call your teammates out. You're above that. you icehole.
wonder if taskmaster rhino will sit him for three games
not sure if they will be blowing in or out but theres supposed to be 50 mph winds at wrigley tomorrow
hopefully it blows papelbon into another dimension
in theory it might have been a worse signing than choke's
choke is still at least a major league player. papelbon, if not for the contract, barely has the stuff to be a major league pitcher. whats the difference between him and bj rosenberg.
one is getting ready to celebrate pesach in a couple weeks?
chase utley is so farging old
when he uses the bat to lean on after he swings and misses like a cane it's a little depressing.
chase says suck my meatcicle.
can't wait to see how the bullpen fares today.
Quotedrbob117 • a day ago
Maybe we could call that guy at NJ.com and tell him that Papelbon is in a gang.
HA!
he's in the baseball furys
lolol that's funny.
Let DC have Johnny Paps too.
cant get over how bad the phillies bullpen is...the options they have in there are ridiculous
anyone have an over/under on how many games the pen will lose the team this year ?
probably the same amount as the offense and the starting pitching
AAA! up 4 top 8th. Keep it up so we're spared the agony of witnessing another Smear meltdown.
Lil guy rips MAAAYberry and he has good games...then he rips Utley and GRIT goes off.
lol
WTF is this thing on the mound for the Cubs? Younger Manson brother?
I'm listening now...lets see if they can hold this
Very weak attempt by Lake the LF of the Cubs on HOF's hit. HOF 3 for 5 today!
and then we have Jason Nix, 0-5 today with 3 Ks and a pop up bunt for an out.
yea the 3rd string middle infielder....he stinks. better get hanley ramirez in here instead.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2014, 05:02:51 PM
Lil guy rips MAAAYberry and he has good games...then he rips Utley and GRIT goes off.
lol
one isolated game doesnt take away from his horrible defense and declining skills. but ima let you savor this win.
Thanks, Mr Billy Beane!
yea billy beane sucks. better to use tradition forms of player evaluation. its working out great for, you know, ruben amaro.
pat gillick
pat gillick is like la russa...just has the magic touch. he could be saber or un saber and it would work out for him and he would win.
if gillick didnt retire the phillies would easily have 2 or 3 extra titles. but such is life.
Amaro is a buffoon.
Pat Gillick is a better example buddy
QuoteSandberg on frozen fans booing when he made a pitching change in the 9th: "Well, we have a heater in the dugout, so I wasn't that cold."
ha
lol the people who actually go watch players um play have the magic touch
well thats kind of the point
the outdated mentality which amaro uses, which you love, which the red sox dont use, is the reason they valued "saves" so much. and thats why they signed papeldouche. saves are almost as meaningless as pitching decisions.
its also why they extended choke. because he has 120 RBIs per year! wow RBIs. thats a team stat, by the way.
but keep on keepin on.
I will never understand how an RBI can be said to not be an effective stat
You're driving in runs.
You score runs to win the game!
Youuuu playyy to win the game!
you cant score runs unless other people knock you in
you cant drive in runs unless other people are on base
team. stat.
Quote from: MDS on April 05, 2014, 02:49:09 AM
the outdated mentality which amaro uses, which you love, which the red sox dont use, is the reason they valued "saves" so much. and thats why they signed papeldouche. saves are almost as meaningless as pitching decisions.
its also why they extended choke. because he has 120 RBIs per year! wow RBIs. thats a team stat, by the way.
but keep on keepin on.
I knew paplebon was headed for disaster before the Phillies signed him.....you know how....cause I watched him pitch
what is the nerd stat for that called?
also whats the stat for knowing he was a fleshpophead who wouldn't care as much once he left boston.....you cant sabremetric things like personality and desire
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2014, 02:56:41 AM
I will never understand how an RBI can be said to not be an effective stat
You're driving in runs.
You score runs to win the game!
Youuuu playyy to win the game!
you PLAY to have a high vorp!
You didn't know dick. Papelbon's last season in Boston was almost identical to the previous five. And he had a career year in 2012 with the Phillies. The guy is a five time all-star who routinely averages 35+ saves a year. It turns out he wasn't nearly worth the contract they gave him. That's a fact but you suggesting you knew it all along is just more of your usual "I told you so" bullshtein. You took a guess that he wouldn't work out and you were right. Yay IGY. You actually got one wildly hyperbolic guess right for a change.
he was bad the second half of that season....and was losing steam off his fastball that whole year
keep pimping his signing though....whenever im down and having a rough time in my life I think of you and that deal and it immediately makes me smile
Quote from: Rome on April 05, 2014, 09:50:41 AM
You didn't know dick. Papelbon's last season in Boston was almost identical to the previous five. And he had a career year in 2012 with the Phillies. The guy is a five time all-star who routinely averages 35+ saves a year. It turns out he wasn't nearly worth the contract they gave him. That's a fact but you suggesting you knew it all along is just more of your usual "I told you so" bullshtein. You took a guess that he wouldn't work out and you were right. Yay IGY. You actually got one wildly hyperbolic guess right for a change.
Rome, word in 2011, before the Phils signed him, was that he was losing velocity. It doesn't take a medical expert to make an educated guess that the deterioration would not only continue, but escalate.
This was my post at the news of his signing:
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 12, 2011, 12:53:52 PM
I'm worried about how Papelbon finished the season. Not that he blew the last game, but how he lost velocity at the end of the year. They'd better go over that shoulder and elbow with the proverbial fine-toothed comb.
And Igy followed with this:
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2011, 01:19:14 PM
this
plus just his overall makeup is suspect....hes a shell of himself and to give a guy like that four years (no closer should get four years) is ridiculous
phillies love stockpiling awful contracts apparently....wheres pat gillick when you need him
If the Phils had actually been close for 2012/2013 and needed Papelbon for a WS push, maybe Papelbon wouldn't have been as awful a signing. But with Howard an empty shell of what he once was, the team graying more each game, and the rest of the NL East catching and passing the Phils, to dedicate the years and money to Papelbon was in error. That money needed to go to the offense.
The window slammed shut when Howard's ACL exploded. Most of us could see that. Amaro couldn't... or wouldn't admit it. And still won't. At this point, he's trying to prop up a bloated 2008 Phillies corpse like his personal version of Weekend at Bernie's.
so who's the closer after the wacko blows his 3rd consecutive save or ends up on the DL. rosenburg? i can't wait.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2014, 08:31:17 AMalso whats the stat for knowing he was a fleshpophead who wouldn't care as much once he left boston.....you cant sabremetric things like personality and desire
thanks coach
the reason a team like the rays can still win in that division with no money and in a joke of a city/stadium/market and its because of advanced stats and emphasizing the correct mindset and mentality when coming to the ballpark. that really is because of maddon. for both of those reasons, and more, they wouldnt touch papelbon with a 20 foot pole. but yea saves! amaro signs him.
your close minded belief that "nerds" are just inputting number into a computer and letting the chips fall where they may is a gross over exaggeration and hyperbolic, but then again thats what you do and i love when it when you do this with republicans so i cant get mad now.
Quote from: LBIggle on April 05, 2014, 01:01:54 PM
so who's the closer after the wacko blows his 3rd consecutive save or ends up on the DL. rosenburg? i can't wait.
first off who cares closers are stupid
second off basticho is the best relief pitcher they have, so he should get the most important outs, whatever inning those may fall in. specifically those against left handers. probably right handers too because the other guys in the pen stink.
Closers are so stupid!
Not everyone can do it for whatever reason. It takes nuts to handle the pressure and not every pitcher has it.
GRIT!! Another homer. He sucks amirite?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
Closers are so stupid!
Not everyone can do it for whatever reason. It takes nuts to handle the pressure and not every pitcher has it.
typical thought but fairly inaccurate
take a look at the saves leaders over the past decade....lots and lots of different names on that list. pretty much anyone can do it. most guys dont become major league pitchers because they want to be middle relievers.
but yes, they are SOME guys that have the ability to "close" but will meltdown in pressure situations. but its not very common.
yes, anybody can be a closer.
you have to question why the phillies traded for lidge then.....when geoff geary was already on the roster
Good point. Todd?
Jimmmmmmay!!
bonaficio is unconcious
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2014, 03:44:57 PM
you have to question why the phillies traded for lidge then.....when geoff geary was already on the roster
perhaps i should have mentioned it was relative to ability. i thought it was understood, since, you know, geoff geary sucks in any situation. but alas.
example: ryan madson was good. ryan madson was an 8th inning guy for a few years. ryan madson was assumed to not have "what it took" to be a closer. in 2011 ryan madson was a very good closer. Saves!
yeah we get what you are saying its just so silly.....its fun to mess with vorpy's
the cubs crew is really really good.
ryan howards defense is really really bad
nice ab by HOF
I think the Cubs crew is bland.
Nieves no bueno.
its one game and a few isolated at bats, but i get the feeling wil nieves isnt very good at baseball
Shoulda kept Kratz
hes a hundred years old and a career what? .235 hitter?
why is he batting 7th and not 8th?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2014, 04:46:42 PM
I think the Cubs crew is bland. check
Nieves no bueno. check
Listen to the Cubs crew yesterday as the Phils feed on mlb.com was horrible. They were nothing great.
steve stone was awesome and they ran him out of town for not being homer enough
harry carey and stone >
He's got all the homer he can handle now...Hawk Harrellson is enough for two people
Wonder if this bullpen can throw strikes?
Is Ryno gonna go with DeFratus over Papelrome?
its almost big pappy time
Jesus, could that throw from Diekman to Jimmy have taken any longer?
Alright, a save to blow for Papelbon!
Buckle up.
jonathan still struggling to stay above 90 on the gun
Chooch would've had that one.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2014, 04:48:20 PM
Shoulda kept Kratz
he was cut by toronto
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2014, 05:13:14 PM
jonathan still struggling to stay above 90 on the gun
looks like he took a few mph off to compensate for better location. his pitches had good late break on them and were hitting the corners. its not the repertoire you want out of a late inning guy but its better than him following the same gameplan from 2009.
i laughed so hard when he twice tried to throw a high hard one as an out pitch with two strikes and one was 89 the other 90....kalish had a huge cut and fouled it back and bonny didnt even think about looking at the pitch
Should be 5-0!
Nice win... time to hunker down for some final four action
if he doesn't overthrow the ball he might be adequate. might be. or there's always mike adams. he was good before he was on the phillies i hear.
seriously how big is amaro's dick right now
not as big as chips balls
about to go 4-2 on the trip and the braun-less brewers coming to town
dude his flipping the bird to everyone, mostly his secret fan from houston
yeah maybe they will even get close to finishing at .500
puff your chests out phillie nation!!!
there are very very homers in on this squad....for the most part people think they suck
south jersey is OUT
before the season i would agree...but all it will take is a .500 first week or two and they will be swarming out of the woodwork
the rest of the division sucks
they will stay in it then make a trade at the deadline
especially with GRIT starting off so hot....south jerz is back in....ALL IN
the facebook page is a good barometer because thats who posts there (i.e. pg)
all of the posts are congratulating cliff lee. so....HOMER HO
All in, son!!
Tomorrow's home opener was pushed to Tuesday 4pm because it might rain
Burnett is wayyy off today. Jesus...three walks and balls getting smashed
The good news is that The Mexican Rollie Fingers, Villanueva, seems hittable today. Choke missed a three run shot by an inch.
burnett getting beat around like a woman in SD's dreams
Villanueva and his mustache cracks me up
Welp....that inning sucked. A shot to get back into the inning thanks to Castro's error loading the bases and Asche grounds out weakly to the pitcher and then Burnett pops out
Just when they sucked me back in........................................
world series plans derailed?
When they take a series against the Cubbies you can'thelp but be sucked in.
That inning sucked too. Should've had two or three but only come away with one
Choke has three good ABs and is 0-3....
Burnett has settled in...let's go offense!
ben revere checklist
speed: check
the strength of a 12 year old girl: no
the ability to hit the ball out of the infield: no
hand eye coordination: no
Ballgame.
Burnett nice and zesty today.
The error by Revere was awful. farging idiot
1-15 RISP today
homers still on board?
Let's go!
lol....i love it
Too early to be angry. Come back on June 1st and ask again!
when they are ten games out of first?
you saying lets wait until _________ makes it sound like you think they have a chance to make the playoffs
Quote from: MDS on April 06, 2014, 04:25:55 PM
ben revere checklist
speed: check
the strength of a 12 year old girl: no
the ability to hit the ball out of the infield: no
hand eye coordination: no
:-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
when they are ten games out of first?
you saying lets wait until _________ makes it sound like you think they have a chance to make the playoffs
I'm not writing them off
lol....i know you arent.....and this is why i love you
I see IGY is in midseason form. He's silent when they win and insufferably boring and repetitive when they lose.
more like i know when they can win and when they will lose
this is maybe the biggest advantage of not being a homer
J who is winning the nl east this year. you have to pick a team. go.
Quote from: MDS on April 06, 2014, 11:50:51 PM
J who is winning the nl east this year. you have to pick a team. go.
lol
its sacrilege for him to pick a rival team and he doesnt want to seem like an over the top homer and pick the phillies. im dying to see his answer.
hes 100% on the phillies
should be 5-1 !
You're right they should be 5-1! That's a fact, Jack.
I think the Nats are overrated. The Braves stink because they employ the Upton brother and Dan Uggla and that's a third of their lineup that'll struggle to hit .225.
Mets? No.
Marlins? Over David Sampson and Jeff Lorias dead bodies.
Soooooo....
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HEY J! Thanks for the support. I have built a team predicated on pitching decisions, saves, RBIs and runs. Traditional stats. I believe they will do well.
Yours,
Ruben
lololol
Hahah
Lil guy would beat it harder to: 1. A sabr bible 2. YouPorn
??
pornhub is my shtein!
but the correct answer is the day they trade lee, papelbon, utley, rollins, howard, byrd, ruiz, burnett and fire that moron pos amaro
I feel like jay and his people will be so mad when they kick all them to the curb?
you gotta start over
Search on PornHub: "chick with Bill James notes crammed in snatch"
Results: 0
Lil Guy: :(
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2014, 12:29:53 AMyou gotta start over
welcome to 2012
they could have cosart in the rotation and villar at SS. plus unlimited salary space. but NO. instead we have 800 year old rollins and utley.
what kills me about the phils is that they have tons of money but they have to start from the ground up....the yanks sox angels ect never will hit rock bottom...they aren't perfect but they are never last place in their division
if you want the future of the phillies check out the cubs....who have been terrible for years and are about 4-5 years away from even being able to compete.
they can shorten the downward spiral if somehow all of these prospects hit, but its unlikely. they got straight lucky to hit on jimmy utley choke hamels in about a 4 year span of each other. unlikely to happen again.
and because of that I will never on hate anyone but roob.....the aughts decade was unreal....better than maybe any philly sports era ever....it was so much fun....but at the same time it was a letdown by any stretch of a legit fan
theres that feeling of course that they should have had more...its natural and if not for cole hamels being a twat or cliff lee choking it would have been.
but theres the thing: this is the phillies. it took them 97 farging years to win 1 measly title. were you expecting a dynasty? this is a god awful franchise in a god awful sports city where good things simply do not happen (see draft lottery, 2014).
Quote from: MDS on April 07, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
but theres the thing: this is the phillies. it took them 97 farging years to win 1 measly title. were you expecting a dynasty? this is a god awful franchise in a god awful sports city where good things simply do not happen (see draft lottery, 2014).
you are 100% right but that doesn't give the 09, 10 teams a pass.....and in the end im on your side...they won a title right?....incredible....but its still a disgraceful letdown that that group only one
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2014, 12:16:46 AM
You're right they should be 5- That's a fact, Jack.
I think the Nats are overrated. The Braves stink because they employ the Upton brother and Dan Uggla and that's a third of their lineup that'll struggle to hit .225.
Mets? No.
Marlins? Over David Sampson and Jeff Lorias dead bodies.
Soooooo....
stop it. just stop it now.
The Phils have a better chance of finishing last than first.
Quote from: smeags on April 07, 2014, 03:59:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2014, 12:16:46 AM
You're right they should be 5- That's a fact, Jack.
I think the Nats are overrated. The Braves stink because they employ the Upton brother and Dan Uggla and that's a third of their lineup that'll struggle to hit .225.
Mets? No.
Marlins? Over David Sampson and Jeff Lorias dead bodies.
Soooooo....
stop it. just stop it now.
No sir!!
literally nobody else is on the amaro bandwagon but J
rome is off. ROME!
more errors and terrible pitching today for what should be a 7-0 team
fitting that pariah steroid boy braun comes into opening day in philly and hits 1000 homers. only in this pos loser city do things like that happen.
on top of that ben revere stinks
What happened? Missed the game. No news is good news?
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
fitting that pariah steroid boy braun comes into opening day in philly and hits 1000 homers. only in this pos loser city do things like that happen.
classic philly....just like rolen jd drew and werth have all hit when they come back and get booed
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2014, 07:49:00 PM
What happened? Missed the game. No news is good news?
best 3-4 team in the history of baseball
Tomorrow is another day, son!
so if ryan braun could feel both of his hands would he have hit 6 hr's?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2014, 08:11:24 PM
Tomorrow is another day, son!
are you trolling or is this legit?
Legit.
I'm all in.
It burns when I pee.
j has a lot of homer in him so i could believe that he thinks they are going to challenge for the division
however saying they should have been 6-0 is what gave it away that he is def trolling
j dont troll
They should have been 5-1 to start....no BS or trolling
and they would be J if the baseball gods didn't hate amaro.
yeah, but they aren't. because they aren't good enough to be 5-1 to start
what are you talking about they are the bestest team evaaar
yeah at this rate they will have 4 championships in 300 years.
dynasty !!
jimmy's turn to butcher a routine play
old old old old old
I will fight you if you rip Jimmy
jimmy's never heard of YOU
another disaster unfolding at home for the greatest 3-4 team in baseball history....if it wasnt for a complete lack of talent theyd be 8-0 though!!
I fell asleep on the couch when it was 4-4 and just saw they lost. Looks like the bullpen did them in again.
Thanks Smug!
More like the creaking defensively challenged has-beens they keep trotting out.
They've given up 10 unearned runs in the last 3 games. That's putrid even for this bunch.
choke cant move. its such a joke hes playing in the field.
revere is one of the worst defensive outfielders ive ever seen. because he has ridiculous speed he makes crazy catches every now and again but it no way shape or form makes up for his inability to read a fly ball, or, you know, CATCH. plus his arm is weaker than matt barkley.
this pos team needs to get lost and get lost yesterday
Tied for the fewest wins in baseball. That didn't take long!
countdown to the trade deadline has begun
who needs pitching (lee, burnett)? who needs infielders (utley, rollins)? LETS DO THIS
Listen to Choke buddy. It's too early to panic.
Howard said to not panic so everything is ok. Back on planet reality how much longer do we have to watch him throw a temper tantrum after striking out 0-2 on the same pitch everyone in the world knows has been coming for 4 years now.
Quote from: LBIggle on April 10, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
Howard said to not panic so everything is ok. Back on planet reality
lol ... so true
the phillies and the handful of homers are simply living in a different universe. might be the same place karl rove does his math.
Quote from: LBIggle on April 10, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
Howard said to not panic so everything is ok. Back on planet reality how much longer do we have to watch him throw a temper tantrum after striking out 0-2 on the same pitch everyone in the world knows has been coming for 4 years now.
choke has as many strikeouts this season as he has singles doubles triples home runs and walks combined
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2014, 09:51:19 PM
Listen to Choke buddy. It's too early to panic.
he also said the team is playing "very well".
three hits and two runs in the first against JF
zero hits for the rest of the game
I think Jimmy will have a good ballgame...
Wish mackanin didn't get Byrd hosed in the first
Marlins announcers rehashing Jimmy The God's 2007 season
Damn he was so great that year
Letttttssss goooo choke!
Great AB by Choke....walks.
Ok Byrd...you're gonna swing at that?!?
Byrd, HOF and Ruiz...come on. shtein
im not gonna complain but I wouldn't call walking with the bases loaded a great at bat for choke....hes paid 25 mil a year to put one in the gao there or over the wall (especially against a RH)
He didn't hack at the junk balls which was good. I would've preferred him to rope a gapper but if he's walking and having good ABs that leads to him being locked in
Yeah I'd rather have Howard lay off the outside sliders and shtein, then swing at them and look like a moron.
Asche is underwhelming.
I'd prefer Franco
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2014, 08:40:35 PM
He didn't hack at the junk balls which was good. I would've preferred him to rope a gapper but if he's walking and having good ABs that leads to him being locked in
wait youd rather him walk than strikeout?....no way
this is what its come to....you are calling an at bat where the phillies 25 million dollar a year clean up hitter walked instead of struck out
Don't dig too deep on this. I thought he had a good AB
Burnett blows. farging guy lost the plate and here comes Diekman again
Jimmmmmayyyyy!
Triple!!
Yessss! Atta boy Byrd!
Triple...single...single...single
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2014, 08:23:09 PM
im not gonna complain but I wouldn't call walking with the bases loaded a great at bat for choke....hes paid 25 mil a year to put one in the gao there or over the wall (especially against a RH)
typical meathead comment
not making an out = good. especially for choke. if mike trout was up with cody asche on deck then fine, yes, he cant walk in that spot. but otherwise, ill repeat. not making an out = good.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2014, 09:12:24 PM
Yessss! Atta boy Byrd!
Triple...single...single...single
jesus christ you are from another planet
Suck it, Negadelphian!
Or is it Neganorthmexican?
at least you admit walks are good
thats my victory for the day. inch by inch im going to get you people off of stats that were conceived in 1885
I've always been ok with walks. Get on base.
but obp is a computer stat. nerds!!
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/6a134e23-0176-43d8-a19a-0489966006bc_zpsf14ca024.png)
22,283.
The only way to get rid of Amaro is for that figure to remain stable or get worse. Keep it up, iceholes.
he didn't walk to lead off an inning he walked with the bases loaded....again not a bad thing but not what you are paying someone 25 million dollars a year to do....if you are cool with that then i dont even know what to say.....except VORP!
he's being paid 25 million a year for what he did from 2006-2009. he's worth about 25 bucks a year right now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2014, 07:12:58 AM
he didn't walk to lead off an inning he walked with the bases loaded....again not a bad thing but not what you are paying someone 25 million dollars a year to do....if you are cool with that then i dont even know what to say.....except VORP!
I didn't see the AB, so I don't know if he saw any hittable pitches or not. If he saw one or twoand either took them, or swung and missed/fouled them off, then I'm with you. Gotta capitalize on as many opportunities as you can. But if he got a bunch of crap thrown his way and showed some solid plate discipline, then I'm 100% good with taking a walk.
It really just comes down to what the pitcher offers him. Can't get mad at anyone for not swinging out of the k zone, no matter how much he's paid.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2014, 07:12:58 AM
he didn't walk to lead off an inning he walked with the bases loaded....again not a bad thing but not what you are paying someone 25 million dollars a year to do....if you are cool with that then i dont even know what to say.....except VORP!
its 1 at bat out of 700 hell have this year....he didnt make an out....outs are bad....not making outs are good
and scene
Goddammit Choke! How do you drop that?!
farging shtein
He's out. They have to overturn this. Jimmy's foot beat him....
Stanton is unreal
Another farging bullpen meltdown.
DeFratus gives it up to Stanton. shtein
Jimmmmmmaaayyyyyyy!!!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pqE66RltUaQ
Gawd being Gawd.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/04/jimmy-rollins-walks-it-off-appears-to-tell-fan-to-shut-the-fk-up.html
Yessir!
Geo is right... Jimmy the Gawd
Quote@Mfranknfl: Rollins said wanted to hit HR to shut up a fan chirping at him. Said he told him "to shut the F up." #Phillies
1. this win
2. world series 2008
if a loudmouth dickface is all the motivation rollins needs to actually come thru for a change he's got plenty of them here to choose from.
oh and for the love of almighty farging christ... STOP PITCHING TO MIKE STANTON!
thanks.
And of course people are ripping Jimmy for swinging back at the heckler. When did people become so Hoydafied in this city?
You man enough to heckle the take it if the athlete gives it back
They're not ripping him because he talked smack, Jay. They're ripping him because he's sucked for half a decade. I know it's verboten around here to say it but he's washed up and so are his farging lame ass has been teammates. People are sick of the arrogance that team consistently shows because they simply can't back it up anymore. They're tuning out, turning the channel and staying away from the ball park because of it. And another thing... that's his mindset? Really?? He just won the ball game and his reaction is to say farg you to some dickhead in the stands? That's just lovely.
The guy got under his skin and he let it show. I like when players shoot back at iceholes who rip on them for no reason. Jimmy is having a good start this year so why rip him? What could this guy possibly be heckling him about?
He's sucked for half a decade? So even if that were true then that's how we treat Philly legends now? We rip them? No sir.
And we all know they're past their prime. So what would you like them to do? Just stop showing up to play? Quit? I mean they're not going anywhere so why not have some fire and try to win?
And what arrogance are you talking about from the players?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 10:41:53 AM
And of course people are ripping Jimmy for swinging back at the heckler. When did people become so Hoydafied in this city?
You man enough to heckle the take it if the athlete gives it back
Who's ripping him? I've seen nothing but praise. Had a conversation at breakfast this morning with some random couple and they thought the same thing I did "Jimmy is the farging man". If you can't appreciate a guy like Jimmy who plays with a chip on his shoulder then go root for another team.
I've seen clowns on twitter blasting away at him because he fired back.
Agreed with what you posted....i loved it
Harry K passed 5 years ago today
RIP Harry
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTVijQFk9s
Terrible AB by HOF with the bases loaded...up 2-0 and he goes hacking
Phils lead the league in walks though...so that's good
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 01:30:52 PM
RIP Harry
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTVijQFk9s
I got misty eyed. And farg you if you didn't.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2014, 11:25:34 PM
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/04/jimmy-rollins-walks-it-off-appears-to-tell-fan-to-shut-the-fk-up.html
Yessir!
racist phillie fans FTL
Mackanin sending Gwynn was dumb. Tony hesitated and should've been stopped.
Tommy Hutton is going off on this new dumb farging blocking the plate rule
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 11:12:13 AM
He's sucked for half a decade? So even if that were true then that's how we treat Philly legends now? We rip them? No sir.
I legit LOL'd at this.
Seriously. Get the farg out of Texas, bro. NOW.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 03:54:38 PM
Mackanin sending Gwynn was dumb. Tony hesitated and should've been stopped.
Tommy Hutton is going off on this new dumb farging blocking the plate rule
It's stupid.
Actually, the Marlins broadcasters have been rather pro-Philly today.
No one else seems to want to say it so I will. Grit is insane at the plate so far this season. Leading the majors in CF's favorite stat, offensive WAR.
Now back to your scheduled negativity: Enjoy it before his knees turn to dust. Speaking of negative, Paps is in for the save attempt.
Quote from: Rome on April 13, 2014, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 11:12:13 AM
He's sucked for half a decade? So even if that were true then that's how we treat Philly legends now? We rip them? No sir.
I legit LOL'd at this.
Seriously. Get the farg out of Texas, bro. NOW.
Lol Jimmy has done nothing to be ripped for. Nada. I'm not advocating some st louisian level of ridiculousness here but if the guy hasn't done anything wrong then he isn't gonna get ripped by me.
Grit with the shot today.
Where's lil guy to say he sucks?!
Sweepage.
I actually agree he hasn't done anything worthy of getting ripped over. I think the fans are just frustrated in general because they were so good for so long it's hard to watch the fall with the same group.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 04:52:50 PMWhere's lil guy to say he sucks?!
when they are 25 games out of first in september, you can have this 2 week stretch in april.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 13, 2014, 04:45:08 PM
Actually, the Marlins broadcasters have been rather pro-Philly today.
they always are.....been saying it for years......hutton especially loves philly since he played there
i was going with the unintentional comedy of mike schmidt
him and moyer were stumbling over each other and asking each other stupid questions. the broadcast this year has morphed into funny bad, which is a massive improvement from the awful bad it was under wheeler.
Even if they're 25 out in Sept that has nothing to do with you saying Utley is done. He's not.
With his start and Jimmy's they're giving Ryne and the writers who were freaking out about the stupid ST stats
Quote from: Rome on April 13, 2014, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 11:12:13 AM
He's sucked for half a decade? So even if that were true then that's how we treat Philly legends now? We rip them? No sir.
I legit LOL'd at this.
Seriously. Get the farg out of Texas, bro. NOW.
Sent from my iPhone....in Florida.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2014, 07:28:00 PM
Even if they're 25 out in Sept that has nothing to do with you saying Utley is done. He's not.
MVP?
michael young was hitting .300 something in april last year, too.
Comparing utley to Michael young last year is dumb, and this is from someone who agrees with you about most things in this thread (pertaining to wins/saves/overall valuation of players).
Utley by any metric is still a productive offensive player when healthy. He was last year and will be this year. His two major issues are: 1) substantial missed games because of his injuries and 2) his defense has significantly eroded.
He's not going to keep up this pace, but when he plays he will produce at the plate.
im not comparing the two, its more for J since he was going off about MY last year when he was smoking some big singles in april.
but the point is valid nonetheless...utley is old, MY is old. what they do in april sans wear and tear and bumps and bruises is 1 thing. how effective utley will be in august is another. well see.
Grit is off to a fantastic start. If he could maintain anything close to this level of production for the 125ish games he'll play in this year, that'd be super. Won't matter though because this team isn't playing in October, but at least South Jerz will love it.
hernandez - santana
lee - hale
burnett/buchanen - teheran
pettibone - wood
1/4
higher number in this series?
choke hits
freddie freeman homers
depends if the wind is blowing out and he can hit another bs cbp homer like he did yesterday
lololol that wasnt a CBP special...
Howard's shot was a goddamn rocket.
http://m.mlb.com/video/v32051545/miaphi-howard-belts-a-solo-dinger-to-center-field/?tcid=mm_phi_vid&c_id=phi
Noooo! CBP special! Lil guy said!
@magelb: Joe Torre contacted Phillies and said incorrect call was made at home plate in Sunday's game. Catcher did not provide lane. Confused yet?
Stupid farging bullshtein rule. Pussification is in fullllll effect
BTW - Burnett has a hernia and will try to pitch thru it
cbp special
ANOTHER CBP SPECIAL FOR CHOKE!
Another CBP special by Choke!!
Right?!
Howard just hit another, as Todd would say, "CBP Special."
dorks
Nice eye Dom
Did someone say CBP special?
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 14, 2014, 07:49:17 PM
Nice eye Dom
HOF hasn't homered since 14 August...bout time to pick that shtein up
Dom is more of a May batter.
Beautiful defensive series there...run down and then Ruiz nails Freeman trying to get to second
Gwynn really playing well....Ryno has to keep riding the hot hand with him
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 14, 2014, 08:08:40 PM
Gwynn really playing well....Ryno has to keep riding the hot hand with him
no......ben has records to set
I think Carmona wants to fight Ervin Santana for some reason
Legit CBP special there by Gattis
shtein
That's...that's just a nice gritty double there, boys
Come on Ruiz get your shtein together, son
BJ Rosenberg - jerkoff
Evan Gattis - 3
Phillies - 1
Allow me to repeat...
BJ ROSENBERG fargING JERKOFF
another homer allowed
farging back to back to back
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Once again I ask, what the farg is this clown Rosenblow doing on a MLB roster? farg him!
Bases loaded
No out
Choke up
I'm scared
Choke back in true form.
good job Byrd!
Hsbehejshdhdjsnxhdisnd
HOF HOF HOF HOF HOF!!!
Yeahhbhhhhbhbdhdjejeije
Holy farg! Unreal.
Let's see if Diekman can close it out
Johnny Papsmear not available
This dumb kraut is going to farg this up.
Oh Jesus. Safe by a mile.
Diekman is going Mitch Williams on us...come on you farg!
Awful play by Chase
He's farging horrible.
Bases loaded no outs
Miracle needed
THROW STRIKES YOU JERKOFF
If only they had someone who could close games like this out.
Wow, young promising Braves star at the plate. Shocking.
I would have put one right in his farging earhole rather than let him swing the bat.
farg me
Unbelievable
Die
farg farg farg farg
goddamn this team
This team's awfulness defies description. How do you get to the point where you have to pitch to Dan Uggla and more to the point how do you throw an 84 MPH meatball right down the middle? farging gun his ass on three straight heaters. If he cranks one out, fine, but don't throw that weak ass shtein up there.
Losers.
I enjoyed the part where they gave up two home runs to one of the worst hitters in major league baseball.
Beat writers said before the game that because of the bullpen use the last few days that Rosenberg and Papelbon (and Basttardo) were unavailable.
But yet Sandberg uses Rosenberg and not Papelbon.
The $15m close sits on his farging ass in the bullpen humming farging sweet Caroline and longing for his Fenway days not giving two shteins that Diekman is getting his stupid cornhusker face smashed in.
farg
Go to hell Smuggy, deep into the bowels of hell and enjoy this shtein show you've built.
Saw a dude tweet that His Smugness is in Vegas. He was sitting in front of the guy on the plane yesterday. Not only does Amaro strike me as a dark side player in craps but I hope he's playing blackjack and getting morning but 14, 15 and 16's.
Btw....the zesty play by Grit cannot be understated. If he gets the out at first it changes the inning totally
did anyone cancel their world series plans?
I planned on watching 2 teams not named the Phillies, so my plans remain fully in tact.
On the grand slam:
QuoteUggla was 1-for-his-past-45 against left-handed pitching entering that at-bat.
Quote from: Rome on April 14, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
If only they had someone who could close games like this out.
anyone can close
Just one would be nice.
Quote@WIPMorningShow: "I like our bullpen, it's just a matter of guys getting their reps." -RAJ on bullpen
QuoteThe reports of Dan Uggla's baseball departure were perhaps a tad premature.
One of the kookiest games of the 2014 season had a goofy conclusion, with Uggla hitting a grand slam in the ninth inning against fill-in closer Jake Diekman to give the Atlanta Braves a 9-6 win over the Philadelphia Phillies.
This is the same Uggla whom ESPN.com's David Schoenfield was suggesting the Braves cut earlier in the afternoon, one who closed the 2013 season by going 13-for-his-last-120 and then opened 2014 with a slight upgrade to 8-for-41, giving him a .130 batting average over a 52-game stretch.
But Uggla has done this sort of thing against the Phillies before. Phillies fans remember well another go-ahead grand slam he hit -- this one a walk-off shot against Tom Gordon on June 11, 2008.
The odds were a little longer for this one against Diekmann. Uggla was 1-for-his-past-45 against left-handed pitching entering that at-bat.
The home run increased the Braves chances of winning by 51 percent (per historical data available at Fangraphs.com), making it the second-most-valuable home run of the season, trailing only Alexei Ramirez's walk-off home run on Sunday (a 71 percent increase).
What else made this such a weird game?
The one thing stranger than Uggla's homer was the line for winning pitcher Luis Avilan, who allowed five earned runs in one inning, an eighth inning in which the Phillies got a clutch three-run home run from Domonic Brown (who hadn't hit a homer against a lefty since Aug. 7, 2013).
Avilan was awarded the win. He became the first pitcher to be credited with a win despite allowing at least five earned runs while pitching an inning or fewer since Jack Knott of the 1934 St. Louis Browns against the Philadelphia Athletics.
Knott got the win because the official scorer didn't have a choice -- Knott allowed five runs to the Athletics in the top of the ninth and was the last man on the mound when the inning ended. The Browns scored six in their half of the ninth to win.
Wins...they're important man
lol
http://deadspin.com/phillies-fans-reactions-to-dan-ugglas-grand-slam-are-am-1563288296
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 15, 2014, 07:09:30 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 14, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
If only they had someone who could close games like this out.
anyone can close
david carpenter certainly can...who the farg is that
Smug said this morning he's OK with bringing up Kenny Giles from Reading but wants him to blow a few saves and deal with adversity at some point. That's the spirit!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 15, 2014, 01:09:37 PM
lol
http://deadspin.com/phillies-fans-reactions-to-dan-ugglas-grand-slam-are-am-1563288296
Haha. That's great.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 15, 2014, 01:09:37 PM
lol
http://deadspin.com/phillies-fans-reactions-to-dan-ugglas-grand-slam-are-am-1563288296
After blowing up Smuggy we can work on annihilating these clowns. What a collection of douche bags.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 15, 2014, 03:19:02 PM
Smug said this morning he's OK with bringing up Kenny Giles from Reading but wants him to blow a few saves and deal with adversity at some point. That's the spirit!
that makes no sense whatsoever
Ha - First his for the Phils is... an infield hit by... Ryan Howard. :-D
This feels like the playoffs in 2010 and 2011. No offense whatsoever
the under in this game was such a lock
Quote@RoobCSN: Attendance tonight: 23,382. Phils have been under 28,000 five times this year. Phils were under 28,000 zero times previous five years.
cliff lee gave up 8 runs in 5 innings on opening day and got the win
hes given up only a pop fly home run tonight and will get the loss
STATS STATS STATS
Lee is dealing.
No Tony Gwynn, no offense.
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
cliff lee gave up 8 runs in 5 innings on opening day and got the win
hes given up only a pop fly home run tonight and will get the loss
STATS STATS STATS
Ha was going to say that.
#wins
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 09:01:06 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
cliff lee gave up 8 runs in 5 innings on opening day and got the win
hes given up only a pop fly home run tonight and will get the loss
STATS STATS STATS
Ha was going to say that.
#wins
theyre better than losses!
Sticking a lit match in my peehole > Todd's sabr rants
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2014, 09:04:24 PM
Sticking a lit match in my peehole > Todd's sabr rants
you cant handle the truth!
all that would only mean something if julio teheran pitched terrible tonight and lost
but hey if youd rather be cliff lee tonight then you will love the phillies record at the end of the year....ill take the braves
The point is pitching wins are dumb because it implies Lee did his job better on opening day than tonight.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
all that would only mean something if julio teheran pitched terrible tonight and lost
but hey if youd rather be cliff lee tonight then you will love the phillies record at the end of the year....ill take the braves
so its a team stat?
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2014, 09:12:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
all that would only mean something if julio teheran pitched terrible tonight and lost
but hey if youd rather be cliff lee tonight then you will love the phillies record at the end of the year....ill take the braves
so its a team stat?
is that a serious question?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 09:11:39 PM
The point is pitching wins are dumb because it implies Lee did his job better on opening day and tonight.
certainly does not imply that...but wins are a very important stat for a starting pitcher
Let's talk about how zesty Cody Asche is...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
certainly does not imply that...but wins are a very important stat for a starting pitcher
so felix hernandez sucks?
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2014, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
certainly does not imply that...but wins are a very important stat for a starting pitcher
so felix hernandez sucks?
what do you think?
based on you saying wins are a very important stat and based on the fact felix hernandez wins about 13 games a year, id say hes average.
hes above average but hes not HOF great like some people would lead you to believe...hes a heidi type
if he was a 16-18 game a year winner that would elevate him to a whole nother level
lol no it wouldn't.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2014, 09:31:32 PM
hes above average but hes not HOF great like some people would lead you to believe...hes a heidi type
if he was a 16-18 game a year winner that would elevate him to a whole nother level
honest to god...i like you...you are a funny dude....good liberal
but this is one of the dumbest things ive ever read
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
cliff lee gave up 8 runs in 5 innings on opening day and got the win
hes given up only a pop fly home run tonight and will get the loss
STATS STATS STATS
You are making more sense every day. I'm now all on board your stats thesis .
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2014, 08:55:21 PM
Quote@RoobCSN: Attendance tonight: 23,382. Phils have been under 28,000 five times this year. Phils were under 28,000 zero times previous five years.
YES! Stay away bitches! Far away.
Know what grinds my gears (other than sabr shtein)?
That punk bitch Dan Uggla sucks against everyone but the Phils.
I hated him as a Marlin, I hate him even more as a Brave.
the phillies just suck, it has nothing to do with dan uggla
on the bright side this game should help increase lee's stock. with 1.5 years left on his deal they could get a ton for him at the deadline.
It's all about teams. If Felix was on the Yankees he would win 16-18 a year while being the exact same pitcher.
this is just one example
in 2012 chris sale had a 3.05 era, 1.13 whip, 7.8 hits per 9, 9.0 ks per 9. he went 17-8.
in 2013 chirs sale had a 3.07, era, 1.08 whip, 7.7 hits per 9, 9.5 ks per 9. he went 11-14.
so, pretty much the same season. though 2013 was slightly better. anyway, in 2012 chicago went 85-77. in 2013 chicago went 63-99.
but im sure in 2013 he wasnt as good of a pitcher, despite no statistical evidence to support that claim. it had nothing AND I MEAN nothing to do with the fact that his team was decent in 2012 and total garbage in 2013.
only a complete moron would rather have 2013 chris sale...unless of course you like losing
at least come up with an example where the guys era is under three compared to another year where its over 5 and he has way less wins....or where the stats in general arent even close
you seriously would rather have a .02 less era and .1 less h/9 if it came with six less wins?
The Braves defeated the Phillies on Wednesday, 1-0, on a home run by Evan Gattis off an 0-2 pitch from Cliff Lee. Déjà vu? Last year on September 27, the Braves defeated the Phillies, 1-0, on a home run by Chris Johnson off an 0-2 pitch from Lee. There hasn't been another major-league game over the last three seasons (2012 to date) that ended 1-0 on an 0-2 homer.
Lee has allowed 15 home runs on 0-2 pitches over the last 10 seasons, tying Mark Buehrle for the highest total in the major leagues in that time frame.
Gattis was only the second player since 1900 to go 4-for-4 with a home run in a 1-0 win. The other was "A"-List Hall-of-Famer Rogers Hornsby in a Cubs victory over the Reds at Wrigley Field in 1929. That was Hornsby's 39th and final home run of the season, tying the team record that Hack Wilson had set earlier in the month (and which Wilson would break a year later).
The point is his performance was essentially completely identical but the team was worse so his record was worse because a lot of what goes into W/L for pitchers is out of their control. It fluctuates for reasons that often have little to do with them getting better or worse. Your entire way of looking at things somehow values a pitcher as better or worse depending on the run support they get and the team that they're on. It's a team stat that you're giving to an individual.
Of course I'd rather the team won more games. But the reason the W/L changes in Sale's example is not because he's any worse - it's because the team is worse/gave less run support...things that have absolutely no bearing on whether he's good or not. I don't understand how you can honestly look at things and say that Felix's W/L changed how you view him as a pitcher when if he was on the Yankees or Red Sox his entire career he would have 30 more wins while being the exact same pitcher. It's entirely a product of circumstance.
gotta love old fart thinking baseball guys when it comes to the win stat. :-D
lol @ "the win stat"
its only wins....no big deal
:-D
CLIFF LEE
smug will trade him for two bags of rocks again. bank on it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2014, 06:37:54 AM
only a complete moron would rather have 2013 chris sale...unless of course you like losing
at least come up with an example where the guys era is under three compared to another year where its over 5 and he has way less wins....or where the stats in general arent even close
you seriously would rather have a .02 less era and .1 less h/9 if it came with six less wins?
i feel like im talking to a religious person...and not even a jesus freak....like someone in a nutty cult where they believe goats are people and god is a 12 year old boy from providence. you are looking at this in such a different capacity than reality.
ill try to be as simple as humanly possible. chris sale had essentially similar statistical seasons in 2012 and 2013. one season he went 17-8 because his team was good. the other season he went 11-14 because he team sucked. his record is predicated on the quality of the guys behind him and in the lineup. things he has zero control over.
i didnt watch his season but maybe in 2013 he faltered late in a handful of his starts...like heidi has done quite a bit in his career giving up a homer in the 7th to lose 3-2
lots of factors here buddy...but the bottom line is i want my starting pitchers to get a lot of wins....it means a lot
youre missing the point, as usual
he didnt get "wins" because his team stinks. the same reason king felix doesnt win more than 13 games a year. no run support, bad defense, bad bullpen. all factors out of your control and all factors that go into deciding pitching decisions.
the good thing is the majority of organized baseball doesnt value the stat. in fact sale had more cy young votes in 2013 then he had in 2012. no one farging cares about pitching records anymore except for you, hawk harrelson and harold reynolds.
SP's gets wins on bad teams all the time....in fact the most famous example ever happened in philadelphia
im talking to a brick wall...referring to something that happened 30 years ago before pitch counts and bullpen specialists. the game be different.
at least sandberg gave up an out so jayson nix, ryan howard and possibly ben revere can hit with a runner at 2nd. bunting rules. bunting rules. i love bunting. smart. smart. smart.
BUNTING WORKS!! bunt bunt bunt all the time.
only nerds could make baseball not fun.....no wonder noone watches it anymore...it for geeky white people and teenage girls who live on cul de sacs
bunting and pitching decisions and pinch running are fun? thats what makes baseball fun? all this time i thought it was the fly outs to rightfield.
Pap goes through Freeman/Upton/Johnson 1-2-3 and the Phils win 1-0
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2014, 03:13:11 PM
SP's gets wins on bad teams all the time....in fact the most famous example ever happened in philadelphia
im not a sabremetric guy by any means but this is one time that crowd is right. the win stat isn't pointless IMO but it can be very, very misleading both ways.
curt schilling vs jamie moyer - who was better ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2014, 03:30:12 PM
only nerds could make baseball not fun.....no wonder noone watches it anymore...it for geeky white people and teenage girls who live on cul de sacs
the irony to that statement is that sabr people prefer homeruns and getting on base which in theory makes baseball more enjoyable.
there's a lot of correlation and causation issues here. i don't think it takes billy beane to look at a situation and realize a team a pitcher pitches on has a huge impact on his W/L total and that's out of his control. saying that it's just sabr people is not really accurate. I can't tell you what VORP measures but I know that Felix Hernadez is Felix Hernadez whether he's on the Mariners or Yankees and his same exact performance would give him wildly different win totals while being literally the same pitcher -- that is enough to indicate it's as much a team stat as an individual stat. Obviously if you suck the odds are low you win a lot of games. The point is it doesn't take a stat geek to acknowledge the role that so many others play in terms of that statistic, and when you're looking at an individual performance, why don't you stick to stats that are (basically) within the pitcher's control (ERA/WHIP/Kper9 etc). It's far more valuable that wins as a stat because you're arguing against a strawman here. You're making it like no one cares whether a team wins or loses a game when that's not true. The argument isn't that wins are irrelevant. The argument is you're measuring one player's performance when so many other variables go into a win than just one player, so the best way to look at the player is to look at the player's stats, not whether the team scored for him that day, made 4 errors, bullpen blew the game, etc, all things that go into whether a pitcher gets a W.
You have your position and that's fine, and I know you aren't someone to regularly change that position, but there's a world of difference between someone acknowledging that a lot of times what pitcher gets a "win" is random (see: Lee, Cliff this year) and then saying all of those people are stat geeks/worship at the alter of Billy Beane.
Hey Havas help me out here. I just read the game recap and it says that they won because Revere singled home a runner who was sacrificed to second. Sacrifice is a bunt play so that means a bunt worked and won them a game. It was used in the right situation and they won.
But but lil guy says bunting is the devil, right?
pretty much his nightmare scenario...i would bet anything that he would rather not bunt there and the phillies lose than beautifully sacrifice the team to a victory
Bill James bible thrown in the trash?
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/04/listen-jonathan-papelbon-farts-at-reporters-questions-literally.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2014, 06:51:24 PM
pretty much his nightmare scenario...i would bet anything that he would rather not bunt there and the phillies lose than beautifully sacrifice the team to a victory
the bunt was retarded but it worked....so hooray bunting
he gave up an out so jayson nix, choke (against a lefty lol) and revere could bat. revere managed to hit the ball out of the infield for once and they won. great. the whole thing had a very slim chance of succeeding.
again. i didnt make this up. im not the king of math. but its simple. your chances of scoring DECREASE when you bunt. its point blank simple probability.
chances of scoring with a runner at 1st and 0 out: 0.820
chances of scoring with a runner at 2nd and 1 out: 0.650
i was at high school game tonight where bunts killed rallies on 3 separate occasions. does this prove bunting is wrong? NO. it was proven wrong by thousands of different games. you guys sound like global warming deniers yelling at al glore because its snowing.
QuoteSecond Straight 1-0 Game For Braves And Phillies
The Phillies beat the Braves, 1-0, at Citizens Bank Park on Thursday afternoon, after Atlanta won by the same score when the teams played on Wednesday night. It's the first time that the Braves and Phillies have played consecutive 1-0 games against each other (regardless of which team won) since the rivalry began in 1883, though on Sept. 5, 1913, the teams played a doubleheader in Boston with Philadelphia winning the first game, 1-0, and the second game ending in a ten-inning 0-0 tie.
The Phillies and Braves were not the first major-league teams to play back-to-back 1-0 games in a series this season. The Cardinals and Reds did so in the first two games of their season-opening series in Cincinnati, with St. Louis winning on March 31 and the Reds prevailing two days later.
Late-Inning RBIs Are A Rarity For Revere
Ben Revere drove in the run in the Phillies' 1-0 win over the Braves with a two-out single in the eighth inning. It was only Revere's second RBI in 119 plate appearances in the seventh inning or later during his two seasons with the Phillies. The first one was also a tiebreaking and game-winning RBI on an eighth-inning single at Citizens Bank Park, against the Cardinals nearly one year ago (April 21, 2013).
Quote from: MDS on April 18, 2014, 03:26:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2014, 06:51:24 PM
pretty much his nightmare scenario...i would bet anything that he would rather not bunt there and the phillies lose than beautifully sacrifice the team to a victory
the bunt was retarded but it worked....so hooray bunting
he gave up an out so jayson nix, choke (against a lefty lol) and revere could bat. revere managed to hit the ball out of the infield for once and they won. great. the whole thing had a very slim chance of succeeding.
again. i didnt make this up. im not the king of math. but its simple. your chances of scoring DECREASE when you bunt. its point blank simple probability.
chances of scoring with a runner at 1st and 0 out: 0.820
chances of scoring with a runner at 2nd and 1 out: 0.650
i was at high school game tonight where bunts killed rallies on 3 separate occasions. does this prove bunting is wrong? NO. it was proven wrong by thousands of different games. you guys sound like global warming deniers yelling at al glore because its snowing.
And you sound like a stubborn repub refusing to admit something lol
Bunting works. Why are sabr people trying to rewrite baseball when it is been thriving as is for over a hundred years?
because its their way to be sports fans without really liking sports....sports is a medium that nerds have never been a part of...sabremetrics is simply another way for them to get into a field where they can show everyone that they are the smartest guys in the room as a means of acceptance
HA! Pettiboner with 36 pitches in the first inning.
Either there are a shtein load of Phils fans at Coors Field or they're all dead. Place is quiet.
I fell asleep on the couch and just woke up.
Flipped on the ballgame and see it's 8-0 and they're losing and being no hit by someone named Chatwood and am seriously thinking about going to bed.
Hey hey! Grit ended the no no!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2014, 10:09:30 PM
I fell asleep on the couch and just woke up.
Flipped on the ballgame and see it's 8-0 and they're losing and being no hit by someone named Chatwood and am seriously thinking about going to bed.
Hey hey! Grit ended the no no!
Not Gritty...Asche Larry
Son of Gritty?
Sorry I was still half asleep.
Well at least they scored!
Mike Adams looking good
12-1
17 hits by the Rockies.
Great start to the trip. TMac waxing poetic on how Rosenberg was supposed to be an integral part of the bullpen.
Time to watch the bad boys 30 for. 30
WTF is Tyler Chatwood?
Choke is approaching the Mendoza line...
Love how he just stood there in disbelief after the called strike three to end the game. Sit down you farging clown. The scores 12-1.
tough one, more bunting would help
Quote from: MDS on April 19, 2014, 02:45:45 AM
tough one, more bunting would help
It certainly wouldn't have hurt.
step 1: get on base
step 2: bunt him over
step 3: get an RBI
step 4: get your pitcher a win
step 5: get your closer a save
its so farging simple.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
Choke is approaching the Mendoza line...
at least hes walking a lot
Sliver lining....I know that's sarcastic but if he's seeing it well he could turn it around quickly.
What's his BABIP, lil guy?!
You all need to be punched in the twat.
This is going to give me a motherfarging aneurysm
This plate blocking shtein is disgusting.
He is out!!! Out! Out!!
farging Hoyda ass baseball
farging HOF...bases loaded and he ends it on a 6-4-3
Phillies have gone three straight games without an xbh
First time since 1991
i cant believe its the first time this year
they stink
Agree on both points, the base blocking call belongs in little league. Total bullshtein.
HOF, whatever. Speechless already. That grand slam earlier this week will be the last thing he does production wise for awhile.
Matt Stairs is not very good.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 19, 2014, 09:19:11 PM
That grand slam earlier this week will be the last thing he does production wise for awhile.
three run shot.....just sayin
Two run shot by Morneau
Ballgame
farging shteinbags
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2014, 09:21:31 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on April 19, 2014, 09:19:11 PM
That grand slam earlier this week will be the last thing he does production wise for awhile.
three run shot.....just sayin
oops. My bad.
Asche sucks
It's like these fargs don't even wanna be on the field
Completely uninterested in hitting or playing defense
Holy shtein they scored!
Too bad Grit didn't have a gritty AB there. He went down meekly ala Choke - hacking at sliders off the plate
Lifeless shteinbags
Booooooooo
i just read that the xbh streak is the longest by any team since 1993
Yeah and it was the expansion 93 Marlins
Chuck E Carr says whaddup
oh wait so theyre not good anymore?
This is a bottom feeder team, which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who paid any attention to last year and the offseason. I expect them to end up better than the Cubs, but that's about it. Enjoy Rube's last season at the helm. People think the ownership won't can him, but they will. When attendance drops below 20,000 -- and it will -- that'll be the final straw.
They've been under 28,000 5 times already. Previous five seasons: Zero.
So long, Rube, you ass canker.
I'll do my part. I won't attend a single game at CBP this summer.
Of course, it helps that I won't be in Philly at all this summer...
Look at Ryan Howard legging out a triple. Go Ryan! :D
Wow - I'm not sure how that was enough to overturn the call at second. His foot moved, but how can you tell it was definitely off the base?
EDIT: That last slo-mo may have showed it better than the others I saw.
That defensive play by Jimmy? farging beautiful
Suck it, haters
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2014, 06:42:08 PM
That defensive play by Jimmy? farging beautiful
Suck it, haters
That was a great play all around. No doubt he was going home all the way on that.
BJ Rosenberg farging sucks.
Get him off this team
Freddy should be the errrrday 3b
Beautiful play!
Ben Revere is a stupid motherfarger
Choke with the cycle!!!
Ohhhhhh damn!! They farged him.
Scored it single and E9
It was probably the right call, but it's not one usually made in that instance.
I was actually at the game for Bell's cycle. Visiting my wife's sister, and went to the game in the first year of CBP. Probably Bell's sole highlight in Philadelphia.
Yep, you're right...his only positive highlight. He sucked.
He popped out more than Jimmy
Buckle up. Phillies bullpen trying to hold a lead.
Barf bag is ready for use
Yep. I farging knew it.
Diekman hangs another slider. Another soul crushing homer.
farging corksucker
Well, that didn't take long.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2014, 07:20:49 PM
Yep. I farging knew it.
Diekman hangs another slider. Another soul crushing homer.
farging corksucker
how is anything soul crushing for the worst team in the majors....thats like saying the three george hill hit against the sixers in that january game was soul crushing
Because I said so.
phillie and flyer fans are special
... and then strikes out the side. :-D
Shut down inning.
Jimmmmmayyyyyy!
Rollins having a great game.
hopefully the bullpen blows it and jimmy can go for the cycle in extras
El Bastar-do the latest arsonist on the mound. Good news: they at least got one out this inning before giving up the run.
This collection of stiffs may be the worst bullpen since I've watched the Phillies. And that started in 1988
I just can't watch them anymore. Sorry. I've had enough misery for one lifetime.
Quote from: Rome on April 20, 2014, 07:48:41 PM
I just can't watch them anymore. Sorry. I've had enough misery for one lifetime.
yup this team is literally unwatchable.....but they did win a world series 5 years ago...lets not get crazy
pappy melt
Yep.
It's inevitable
2 outs
Here comes a walk off
Johnny Paps...never a doubt!
Long ass four hour game
MAAAyberry!!! Helluva dig
they are actually boring when they dont lose
Not sure what pisses me off more, Papelbon imploding or his pansy ass celebration after he closes one out.
this thread needs to go in the Smithsonian
Yesterday's game was longer than Todd's favorite movie The Ten Commandments
CSN postgame said Deek needs to stop being a p*ssy and just fire everything 97+
whats a p*ssy?
^ That explains so much. ^
Gwynn leading off, Cooch batting clean up, Howard batting 5th, Mayberry in for Byrd.
Utley pulled a "Chase Utley you are the man!" play on Yasiel Puig
Ah, Vin Scully. Music to my ears. He is beyond awesome.
Go to take a leak and Choke jacks one. farg.
farging hit parade.
Chooch with 4 RBI tonight.
Bullpens turn to screw up Lee's shutout.
lee is going to get them a lot at the deadline
Choke is seeing it well...when he's taking his walks and letting the ball get deep in the zone this is what happens. Hopefully he can keep it up.
Gwynn needs to stay in the line up too.
Where lil guy at to rip Choke?
How restrictive is AJ's no trade clause? :Ed alert
He's going to continue to pitch well for them this year and they would be able to flip him for something pretty good at the deadline if it's not too restrictive (I think it is though if my memory serves).
Vin Scully is in love with Chooch. He was convinced Chooch willed that ball between Hanley and Crawford.
hes on his last legs...i cant imagine hed say no to a spot on the east coast for 2-3 months. i doubt hed OK a los angeles or something, but the yankees or pirates make perfect sense even right now.
perhaps the best news is papelbon having a +7. dude has had 1 bad game and otherwise been great. if he can keep it up they maybe might just be able to flip him, too.
i trust ruben amaro jr. to makes these trades and make them well.
burnett has a 21 team no trade clause
weird...I posted something in the 9th inning last night and its not showing up
oh well...
TODD TELL US HOW THEY SUCK
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 10:28:45 AM
weird...I posted something in the 9th inning last night and its not showing up
oh well...
TODD TELL US HOW THEY SUCK
You posted in the flyers thread.
lol
see? late games kill me
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 10:28:45 AMTODD TELL US HOW THEY SUCK
the manager is an idiot
the lineup is old and slow
the bullpen is a dumpster fire
they suck
Seems like the manager is doing well with his line up moves, no?
The bullpen is the only beef right now.
Get on the goddamn wagon, son
he wont because that would take away from his desire to be a miserable SOB.
They've given up the 2nd most runs in the NL so far this year & you're still relying on older players like Utley/Howard/Rollins etc to hold up over the course of the season. I'm rooting for them to do well but I don't expect it.
and that's all any fan can do under these circumstances.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 03:45:52 PM
Seems like the manager is doing well with his line up moves, no?
The bullpen is the only beef right now.
Get on the goddamn wagon, son
no, hes an idiot. hes managing the same way cholly (save for moving howard to 5th sometimes. oooooo) did and the same way kid gleason did in 1918. he bunts, he manages to give pitchers wins and closers saves. stats. like all managers do, because stats are important.
the lineup is still old and slow. theyve won 3 games in a row. that doesnt change the facts.
Quote from: smeags on April 23, 2014, 03:56:25 PM
he wont because that would take away from his desire to be a miserable SOB.
they had 2 options coming into this year
1. win the world series
2. plan for the future
#1 is in impossibility. so why not #2? im supposed to just shrug my shoulders and cheer on the local 9? GO TEAM!!
I shouldn't be surprised. I really shouldn't.
Let's try this another way, Billy B....who is your ideal manager?
You're supposed to be happy when they win and pissed when they lose.
Unless your name is Mds and then you hate on smart baseball plays and root for losses!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
I shouldn't be surprised. I really shouldn't.
Let's try this another way, Billy B....who is your ideal manager?
la russa because everything he does works, even if its by the book and silly at points.
the first manager to not use his "closer" in exclusive save situations and ban bunting except for specific situations will get my vote. by aint no folks like that.
Joe Maddon is pretty close
And of alllllllll the managers why ain't none of me like that?
Do you think that maybe your philosophy is, ummm, kinda like the repubs ignoring global warming?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 23, 2014, 08:39:12 PM
Joe Maddon is pretty close
he still worships the save
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 08:39:36 PM
And of alllllllll the managers why ain't none of me like that?
Do you think that maybe your philosophy is, ummm, kinda like the repubs ignoring global warming?
no....im not ignoring facts and putting my head in the sand.
bunting and wins and saves and rbis and runs have proven to be pretty arbitrary and ineffective forms of player evaluation/strategy. leaving your pitcher in so he can be eligible for a win even well past the point of usefulness....holding your best relief pitch off until you have 1-3 run lead.....blindly looking at a 100 rbi season and saying THAT WAS AWESOME--all things that go into making a bad baseball team.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 08:39:36 PM
And of alllllllll the managers why ain't none of me like that?
Do you think that maybe your philosophy is, ummm, kinda like the repubs ignoring global warming?
I think that works in reverse. People ignoring new data seems to fit the other side of that argument.
Because I'll argue that this new data is too analytical and doesn't take the human or situational elements into consideration.
Sabr is about spreadsheets and math.
I look at it like out of touch big corporations watching the bottom line rather than seeing the people who actually make the company run. Need to shave some costs? Well let's restrict pricing flexibility and maybe let to of Worker A because he makes too much. Why? Because the math says so.
and those companies make even more money than before...its inhumane and immoral but from a business perspective, it works.
baseball doesnt really have to worry about that. all youre doing is not bunting. it still works.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 08:49:02 PM
Because I'll argue that this new data is too analytical and doesn't take the human or situational elements into consideration.
Sabr is about spreadsheets and math.
I look at it like out of touch big corporations watching the bottom line rather than seeing the people who actually make the company run. Need to shave some costs? Well let's restrict pricing flexibility and maybe let to of Worker A because he makes too much. Why? Because the math says so.
Baseball is about spreadsheets and math. It always was the sport where statistics seemed more important. Even now, the debate isn't whether stats are important, it's just about which stats are important.
Whether people want to admit it or not, SABR thought has worked its way pretty well into player evaluation and front offices in baseball. It hasn't reached the same level with coaching because most coaches have an old school mindset. I tend to think that the sabermetric movement does minimize some subjective elements too much but there really is enough of a sample size on some specific things MDS talks about.
I think oldschool people get worried about what it represents so they just ignore anything that is being said because it gets labeled as geeky when in reality, a lot of it is just about trying to emphasize what's more important. Example: someone hitting .270 with a .400 OBP is much better than someone hitting .300 with a .330 OBP, but a lot of the old school people just liked to throw out batting average as one of the key stats. In reality, if you get on base and hit for power, you're going to win a lot of games. If you limit the number of people on base and get a lot of strikeouts (which limits variance), you're going to win a lot of games.
I don't know anything about VORP or things like that but some of the very basic SABR philosophies have already been accepted by most front offices because they make sense when you think about them from a baseball perspective & there has been a significant enough sample size to prove them out.
I take issue with no bunting (ever!), that somehow RBIs aren't important and now even runs aren't worth something?
That is too over the top.
Sure some of their philosophies have merit and are proven over time but I will never buy into shtein like VORP, WAR, xFIP and other statistical atrocities like that.
vorp is a compilation stat
instead of looking at the ops, avg, obp, hrs, sbs, etc. for all SS, it averages it all out and tells how much better player x was over a replacement player, like jayson nix. for example, jimmy rollins had a staggering 1.2 vorp last year, the year before was 3.3. that essentially means he had marginal value over someone you could have found on the street, like jayson nix.
so if you were a gm and jimmy was a FA you wouldnt value him very much, at least offensively. or you could and be wrong.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 09:02:20 PM
I take issue with no bunting (ever!), that somehow RBIs aren't important and now even runs aren't worth something?
That is too over the top.
pitchers can bunt because they suck at hitting. if you can guarantee that 2 very good players will bat with the winning/tying run at 3rd bunting is also OK. other than that it shouldnt happen, since its you know, the low percentage play.
RBIs are a team stat. you cant get them unless people are on base. player x can hit 4th and hit all the doubles and homers he wants, but if the 3 players in front of him cant get on base, hes not getting rbis. which means he sucks because he only drove in 85 runs! he sucks!
The problem with RBIs is somewhat similar to the problem with wins for pitchers. RBIs normally indicate someone producing at the plate but I think where SABR people would disagree with it being a keystone stat is that it's a product of opportunity.
If you look at something like OPS which measures how often you get on base and the amount of power you hit for, you're more likely to analyze clearly who is a better player than if you just go by RBIs, because someone batting 4th in Colorado is going to put up more RBIs than someone batting 4th in Houston even if the dude in Houston is better simply because more people will be on base in front of him in Colorado. Things like OPS measure only the individuals production whereas RBI is dependent on others. I think RBI still gives a fairly accurate snapshot but I also can see how it's dependent upon some other factors.
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I'm fine with OPS
RBIs are a product of opportunity. You get up with a guy in scoring position the. You're supposed to knock him in. If you don't then you're not going to have a job.
Of course if a guy has 42 RBIs one year after having 87 the year before and 92 the year after then you search for why. Oh, the team hit .231 and didn't have many runners on? Or whatever the reason may be...you just have to dig deeper as to why.
But generally it is a legit production stat.
ops is the worst sabrementric stat because its not a sabremetic stat....and it perfectly illustrates how the nerds want to be included so bad
...its farging slugging plus on base %...two things that every scout since the beginning of time has looked at...branch rickey was doing his version of ops in the 50's...
nerds then wake up one day combine two age old numbers call it ops and wanna act like the reinvented baseball..its a joke
OPS is relevant because people value batting average way too highly in relation to on base percentage. People used to say .285 slap hitters were good offensive players when they were awful. OPS shows that quickly.
You just hurt the hell outta Ben Revere's feelings.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2014, 09:17:30 PM
nerds then wake up one day combine two age old numbers call it ops and wanna act like the reinvented baseball..its a joke
this is the crux of the debate
basically you feel your way of life is under attack. this is war. you went to fight on a lie. and youre still fighting, george. youre still fighting.
I should edit my last comment to say .285 slap hitters who don't walk. Bourn actually had a few years where he was a valuable offensive player because he walked. If you hit ~290/300, walk, and steal bases, then my comment doesn't fit (though part of Bourn's real value was how good he was defensively). It's more listening to years of having to hear how latter day Placido Polanco's were "solid professional baseball players" when he was a drain on the whole team offensively. So while I agree with igy that OPS isn't a "new stat" it's new in the sense that old school people still acted liked slap hitting players who didn't walk were good on offense. They're not and I think OPS being prominent helps illustrate that.
Quote from: MDS on April 23, 2014, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2014, 09:17:30 PM
nerds then wake up one day combine two age old numbers call it ops and wanna act like the reinvented baseball..its a joke
this is the crux of the debate
basically you feel your way of life is under attack. this is war. you went to fight on a lie. and youre still fighting, george. youre still fighting.
i dont have a way of life when it comes to baseball...i watch games they calculate formulas...i know the difference between dave cash and johnny cash...they dont
that doesnt make any sense
so the tampa bay rays front office is stupid and wrong?
i dont know the first thing about the rays nor do i care...they could be the least interesting franchise in any sport...all i know is they dont ever win anything and they draw four thousand fans a game....even the phillies beat them for a title
Who was that devil rays pitcher who snapped his arm pitching? Tony Saunders? Remember that?
And they should still be the devil rays
Actually they should be moved. Give Montreal a team
Over/Under IP and runs allowed by Heidi
6.5
5 ks
neither of those things, or oaklands continued success, have anything to do with any of that
those franchises use advanced stats and analytics. despite severe financial differences, they compete with the best teams in the league and generally make the playoffs. winning the playoffs is a completely different story from competing for 162 games...just ask the braves and their great pitching. maddux and glacines 20 win seasons didnt really make a difference in october.
there was a good interview on seth myers show last night with the grantland sabre nerd about montreal baseball...he grew up in montreal and liked baseball not hockey and had some cool stories
Quote from: MDS on April 23, 2014, 10:01:46 PM
neither of those things, or oaklands continued success, have anything to do with any of that
those franchises use advanced stats and analytics. despite severe financial differences, they compete with the best teams in the league and generally make the playoffs. winning the playoffs is a completely different story from competing for 162 games...just ask the braves and their great pitching. maddux and glacines 20 win seasons didnt really make a difference in october.
great im happy for them....so they are just like a dozen other small market teams who make the playoffs and dont win....they should be proud
not really.
cleveland had some runs here and there but nothing quite as consistent as tampa or oakland. pittsburgh just made it.
awesome stuff and interesting too
Dodger Stadium best in MLB?
best what....stadium to get shanked in?
angels dont choke (which they are trying to do) and phils win then say hello to your second place fightins
werth two run double ties it for the nats bot 9
Dodger Stadium is the best I think.
Not only if you want to get beaten but it looks so great for an older park.
nats win with four in the 9th
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
Dodger Stadium is the best I think.
Not only if you want to get beaten but it looks so great for an older park.
have you been to sf? el estadio de doyer es too leveled and the view doesnt even compare to sf.
Nah I've never been to any of the west coast joints
If I go I'd wanna sit in those seats behind home plate though
Or next to Smug so I can spill beer on him
Vin Scully is awesome
I learn more from his stories about phillies players than I've ever learned while listening to TMac and his dopey partners
Pau Gasol sitting front row by the Phils on deck circle
Jimmy!!
Choke gets it done...nice
Jimmy got lucky to make it to third. Hanley had him dead out but threw to first
Mds' boy #6 makes em pay
Revere couldn't hit a bull in the butt with a bass fiddle.
Quote from: MDS on April 23, 2014, 10:29:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
Dodger Stadium is the best I think.
Not only if you want to get beaten but it looks so great for an older park.
have you been to sf? el estadio de doyer es too leveled and the view doesnt even compare to sf.
Giants ballpark, I've heard, is a must. Just an overall great experience. Although they did make some nice improvements to Doyersville, I am sure ATT Park is much better. Been to Dodger Stadium several times but not since it was refurbished.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
Choke gets it done...nice
Jimmy got lucky to make it to third. Hanley had him dead out but threw to first
Mds' boy #6 makes em pay
is choke an all star?
All star and pro bowl mean shtein now
i have choke on my fantasy team. picked him up after the draft. hes been productive for homers and rbis, which is all i care about anyway.
I have him too. Wanna trade for him in our league?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 10:59:35 PM
Vin Scully is awesome
I learn more from his stories about phillies players than I've ever learned while listening to TMac and his dopey partners
He is starting to lose it a little, i.e. calling choke Frank Howard and his love affair with Chooch who came into Chavez Ravine with 0 RBI but the guy is unreal. You're right his stories about players both Doyers and the opposition are priceless.
Settle down Heidi. Tighten the skirt.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2014, 11:38:26 PM
I have him too. Wanna trade for him in our league?
my real league has 2 extra util spots, which is where he slides into. hes not an everyday player in the format in our league.
7-8 spots in the Phils order this year have been awful
Marlon Byrd? Also not hitting well
cole hamels 2 out walk to the pitcher = the game
same old bitch
At least BJ Rosenberg is back in Lehigh so he can't farg this up eve more
is cole on your cant be mean to list?
No.
He's pitched well though
he has but under your evaluation process he hasnt because he will get the loss, not the win. i thought pitching decisions were important?
Well he deserves to lose because he walked the pitcher and let him hurt him. Tight ballgame? No walky walky the goddamn pitcher
Jayyyyyyyyson
lol who knew nix had that in him
totally retarded by donnie to trot greinke out there...but whatever.
Sandberg should've left Hamels in...it'd be 2-2
hate to break the news to you buddy, but jasen needs to get me a save here
Well...bullpen strikes again
Bed time
@RoobCSN: In the last 12 games, Phillies' starters have allowed two or fewer earned runs 9 times and won one of those games.
wins are a really important stat
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2014, 12:40:13 AM
Sandberg should've left Hamels in...it'd be 2-2
no chance heidi wouldnt have given up the game winner had he stayed in...they lose 3-2 instead of 5-2 but they lose
they were never winning the game no matter what happened....nothing mattered in terms of moves. it just wasnt happening last night.
is there a sabremetric formula for heidi being a soppy wet vagina
yea, its called the 2009 world series
V+infinity*(619)
the bottom of the order might be worse than the bullpen...what an abomination
and by all means sandberg, let two AAA players swing the bat and dont safety squeeze or simply have them shorten their swings to put the ball in play. just watch them strikeout. worthless.
Safety squeeze = bunt
Mds sez hunting is bad
Those were two horrible at bats. WTF Asche?
Holy shtein, Puig left a dent in the wall.
Keep leaving um' on you shteinbags.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2014, 10:46:15 PM
Safety squeeze = bunt
Mds sez hunting is bad
runs are good!!!
runs. are. good.
RUNS!!
But to get the run(s) it requires bunting which I think your rather have a cellblock train run on you than see bunting...
Nice inning here. That dope Gonzalez helped a lot.
Puig is fun to watch. So close!
Galvis? Beisbol es no bueno?
bunting for a hit and bunting IN a run = fine
bunting to move a runner to 2nd = dumb
No...dumb is this home plate bullshtein.
Stupid farging shtein
If HanRam gave a shtein and ran harder or slid, LA would've had a better argument for awarding the run, but damn, if that got overturned for a jogger that was out by 20 feet....
its especially silly since ruiz did what any other 3b or 2b does at their bag. put the leg in front of it so the runner cant touch the bag. they do it without the ball, too, but its not even a factor.
the worst part of the rule is catchers, umpires and managers dont even know what the rule is. neither does mlb. but yet, its a rule. go bud go.
Who is behind the plate umpire? His zone sucks
Mike Adams wastes no time fitting in
Bullpen'd again
Even Vin is ripping them! "And the phillies bullpen does it again"
i blame that partially on ryne
basically he was playing the okie doke and hoping adams/tony b/paps would get 9 outs without giving up a run, which wasnt a given. diekman threw 5 pitches and could have gone another inning, at least until gonzalez. that way you have your 3 best relief pitchers available into the 8th, so you can conceivably get through into the 10th.
basically now the phillies need a run in the next 2 innings or they will lose
bottom of the order up for the doyers and you arent scoring a run most likely....who does ryne use? crappy relief pitcher no. 1 (manship? camp?) or his 2nd best pitcher (tony b).
the answer should be camp. you have to plan for a 9th and a 10th and an 11th.
forgot about using adams again which was a fairly smart play. hooray ryne! 1 point for you.
oh man im so happy right now
gywnn fails to bunt twice, then flies out. ramirez remains in dp depth and revere hits a gb just out of his reach to his left. if hes at normal depth with a runner at 2nd and 1 out, he fields it. but he doesnt, so its a hit. then ruiz singles to presumably win the game.
BUNTING!
farging Chooch! Keep him in the two hole. Vin Scully knows his shtein.
Ruiz is having such a great year so far again.
270/395/476 is a pretty sick stat line. I appreciate Ryne moving him around in the order instead of just burying him 8th.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2014, 12:43:23 AM
Mike Adams wastes no time fitting in
Bullpen'd again
Even Vin is ripping them! "And the phillies bullpen does it again"
HA! Vin is so beautiful.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2014, 01:14:49 AM
Ruiz is having such a great year so far again.
270/395/476 is a pretty sick stat line. I appreciate Ryne moving him around in the order instead of just burying him 8th.
if he continues to get on base at that clip he should be hitting 2nd. move jimmy/revere down. the bottom of the order is an abomination anyway. no harm in making it worse.
farg you Brian Wilson!
Chooch in 2 hole, on base 12 out of 15 attempts.
Than we have Freddie G.
very important win for mike adams
its like the most important stat ever
Jesus Christ shut the farg up about stats.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2014, 05:07:31 AM
Jesus Christ shut the farg up about stats.
this is what nerds do....you just have to ignore it....they will never stop...its a big part of the reason noone watches baseball anymore
also second to last place phils!
Great series win.
Hopefully they sweep the pathetic DBacks and don't have a letdown
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2014, 05:07:31 AM
Jesus Christ shut the farg up about stats.
cut him a break, this is all he has in life. no kidding around. THIS is it.
I actually am more open to the stat stuff than most people of my age bracket, but the little guy needs to let it go already.
It's like a woman who won't shut the farg up about that time you came home drunk and broke her favorite plate. JUST LET IT GO.
Your wife still pissed about that plate?
Your Mom is.
Oh burn.
Awesome joke Farva.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2014, 07:07:59 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2014, 05:07:31 AM
Jesus Christ shut the farg up about stats.
this is what nerds do....you just have to ignore it....they will never stop...its a big part of the reason noone watches baseball anymore
also second to last place phils!
i understand how it can be overbearing....but it has exactly 0% to do with why baseball has limited national appeal. zero. percent. zero.
sure it does....sports is not the place to get nerdy....nerdy used to be turning your baseball cap inside out to spark a late inning comeback....or the super nerds would actually keep the official score on their program scorecard....but at least those things were done by people who loved the game and watched it and played it and went to it
now super nerdy is babip and fipx2(ops) made up by wanna be mathmeticians who could care less about baseball and certainly dont follow it
that doesnt make any sense and its really, really inaccurate
no one is refusing to watch baseball because of PECOTA. and the people who came up with the nerd stats do in fact like the sport. i dont even know why im arguing about this with you, this is the dumbest thing ever.
it definitely drives people away...i know several people including myself who dont like it like they used to for that exact reason...but more than that it attracts absolutely no one
im not saying its even close to the main reason no one watches it but its actively dissuades people....rich middle age white men might enjoy it and perhaps they can talk their kids into being stat nerds but thats it...and even those people arent into into the game...they are into the formulas...and thats terrible for bidness
so maybe it's stat nerds that chase african americans away from the game ?
basketball and football being better sports has done that
dirty little secret: less white people also play baseball now than they used to and if they had a choice most would choose the other two before baseball...plus baseball has to fight with soccer for honkeys
but this ever growing subset of nerds who discount people who dont pray at the sabremetric alter as some sort of a lesser fan is also a problem
if you are letting a nerd stop you from enjoying something you like the issue isn't the nerd.
i like the nfl a lot less than i used too because of its overbearing in your face nature of the nfl office....and they arent nerds they are bullies
maybe you are a robot who just stays the course and likes everything now the same as you did 20 years ago and the same as you will in 20 years from now...but thats not me...various different factors can raise and lower my enjoyment of something
The stat invasion has taken a bit away from baseball for me too...and as nutty as I am for football baseball was always my numero uno.
We're talking me rushing to the store the morning when the new Baseball Weekly's would hit the stands so I could read it cover to cover...I was like 12-13 then. I'd consume anything and everything MLB related. That's why I know so many obscure players because I would read and read and read and memorize their numbers and all that goofy shtein.
Now its all this stat bullshtein and I don't like it.
yeah it doesnt make the game itself worse....it makes following it less fun....you literally cant have a discussion much less an argument about a team or player with a stat nerd because he hasn't watched the game yet will tell you how wrong you are because of some stupid formula
I will say for right now its mostly an internet thing....you don't run into a whole lot of nerds at a bar or a game because they don't watch the sport
while you are in the stands or watching on tv baseball is as good as ever its just the rest of it being over saturated with numbers bullshtein
The reason I don't buy that argument is baseball has ALWAYS been about stats. More than any sport, numbers and stats were discussed. Records in baseball were legendary and way better known than in any other sport. It's part of why people hated the steroid era so much because iconic records fell. The type of numbers being discussed changed and statheads now reject the importance of some numbers that were always revered. That's what irks people. VORP replacing RBIs. But let's not act like the importance of stats in baseball is a new thing. You can say that but I don't agree with it at all.
Regarding igy's point about preferences changing, that's happened to me as I've gotten older. The NFL and college basketball are still my favorite sports, but college football and the NBA have passed baseball and the NHL. Part of it is the mediocrity of the phillies and the zesty outlook probably, but I can't bring myself to care about any generic baseball game anymore. Baseball used to easily be my second favorite professional sport and now it may be fourth.
Zombie night at the DBacks ballpark
They deserve to lose bc of that
Fausto Homeruna
Losing to the zesty DBacks
DBacks announcers...
"Didn't they boo Santa in a Christmas parade?"
"Jail! In the football stadium!"
1-11 at home this year
Leading Phils 3-0
Yeah
Jesus farging Christ
Thanks to the dumb women who reached over and made that a ground rule double
Awful strike zone
Revere and Jimmy rung up on shtein
HOF hitting over .400 vs lhp
here they come
Thought him had a shot to sneak that one into the corner
Let's see if this bullpen can hold
I have no doubt Diekman is going to hang a slider
After he walks goldschmidt
Ollie Perez will break grit or chokes wrist with a hbp watch
Haha Sandberg complains about Ollie's shirt and Balkin Bob Davidson made him take it off
rhino is such a dinosaur
Is there a stat for pitchers who wear cut off shirts and their strike percentage in the 8th inning or later?
Damn...campana cutting that ball off was huge. That shoulda been a double by Byrd
Come on Ruiz
shtein shtein shtein
God farging damnit! farg zombies.
Diekman is a goddamn joke. Like a farging jugs machine
Really starting to dislike that farging Cornhusker.
Him and his fellow MA buddy Asche can take a hike
And take jayson nix with them
If Revere gets on Jimmy is going yard
Well not yard but nice job Jimmy
And farg Diekman for allowing that homer
Let's go Grit!!
Huge mistake by Sandberg to take choke out btw
If chase doesn't do it then it's up to MAAAyberry
Jimmy swipes second so now they can pitch around Grit
Yep. Bad move, Ryno.
Ok MAAAyberry...let's go buddy
running there is the right move...you gotta get the tying run in scoring position
Misses a teed up heater down the middle... Jeez
And now takes one
1-2
farg
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2014, 01:01:04 AM
running there is the right move...you gotta get the tying run in scoring position
Agreed. But not having choke up sucks
Motherfarging MAAAyberry went down looking. farging bum
I'd like to drown Diekman in that farging pool
yeah aaaberry sucking is the problem there not the steal...especially with two outs....if theres one out then you see if grit can get him to third...but with two outs you are basically saying grit has to hit an xbh or they lose
Yep. I can understand taking Choke out if they're leading or if he was on second and was the thing run...then you need the wheels to score.
But anyways....moot point because Diekman is a farging jerkoff
Swing the farging bat AAAhole!
I saw going into yesterday the bullpen has a 5.65 ERA. Wow.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 26, 2014, 01:44:37 AM
I saw going into yesterday the bullpen has a 5.65 ERA. Wow.
its not always like this but with this pen it really is the names...in clearwater all you had to do is look at the roster and you couldnt believe this is what they had to work with
RULE No. 1 of pinch running:
go big or go home.
theres no sense in PRing for someone unless you actually plan to increase your odds of scoring a run. i.e. steal a base. theres no sense in taking howard out of the lineup for AAAberry. absolutely none. for revere? yes. but not for AAAberry. he didnt go 1st to 3rd on that ball (didnt see it not sure if he couldve), but ryne threw him under the bus after.
anyway they lost because sandberg is a dumbass and the bullpen sucks. onward and upward gents.
He could not have made 3rd.
Off the bat I thought it was a lock but that little speedy Gonzalez dude Campana made a helluva play and cut the ball off before it got to the corner. Most other left fielders couldn't have cut that off.
thats why pinch running is so silly....the odds of getting a hit where the pinch runner actually makes a difference are so minimal. byrd got a hit, which was slim to begin with, but it wasnt the right kind of hit.
maybe he shouldve just bunted?
It was dumb to take choke out there. I mentioned it when he did it
yup
the question is will sandberg learn from his mistakes. the previous old fart did not.
i agree with the pinch running thing...so many things have to happen for it to be worth it
im being extreme here but unless its really late in an elimination game and you have vince coleman on your roster its probably a meaningless move at best and a bad move most of the time
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2014, 02:45:39 AM
i agree with the pinch running thing...so many things have to happen for it to be worth it
im being extreme here but unless its really late in an elimination game and you have vince coleman on your roster its probably a meaningless move at best and a bad move most of the time
exactly...if you are facing mo rivera and down a run and have dave roberts on the bench. by all means, do it. otherwise, it rarely pays.
how many times did cholly pr for burrell back in the day, then have chris roberson come up in the 9th or 10th inning? christ i lost my mind.
I don't like him ripping the guy for not going first to third.
He made a bad decision to pinch run for Choke
The guy he puts in couldn't have made it. Revere or Jimmy mayyyybe make it. And that's with them not hesitating.
If I remember right Campana is a lefty so it was even easier for him to cut that off because he was already glove side with the ball. If he's a righty maybe he doesn't cut it or pauses enough to crossover and he is clear. But he was on that ball quick.
just saw the play....not sure if AAAberry makes it but with 1 out and the bottom of the order up hes gotta go for it. bad play. you can be over-aggressive in that spot, its ok. with who was due up it was well worth the risk.
Great defense so far, guys.
lolee
lee is a hundred years old....hes also a good pitcher....but his age is going to lead to inconsistentcy....hes not going 17-3 anymore in his career
hes probabaly a .500 pitcher this year right?....maybe 14-12 or 14-11 if he has a big year
Not much point in watching this one. Lee is waaaay off his game tonight. And another brutal defensive play.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2014, 08:46:48 PM
lee is a hundred years old....hes also a good pitcher....but his age is going to lead to inconsistentcy....hes not going 17-3 anymore in his career
hes probabaly a .500 pitcher this year right?....maybe 14-12 or 14-11 if he has a big year
youre trolling me, right?
Id like that farging corksucker Cody Ross to get a raging case of gonorrhea
Yes!
Loaded and no outs still
Crushing double play coming up
Or
They tie/take the lead and the bullpen blows it
ummm that was meat freddy
Galvis is farging hitting like trash
Bum
Asche!!!
Yessss
he just went from asche to classy
shtein Jimmy come on man
Choke...farging come on with that weak shtein
Ok time for the pen to blow it
Tony B....farg you and your mother
It's Johnny Paps time!
He starts off nice too.
Single and wild pitch
He's out!!!
Grit with a gritty decision to have Ryno challenge
baseball replay is the worst
It's not great but the NBAs is worse
My BAC > Galvis' batting average
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2014, 11:13:08 PM
It's not great but the NBAs is worse
what?
nba's is the best
shtein no. Completely interrupts the flow of the game.
i think that was their first bs win of the year. goin have to have those if you wanna do something.
they got really lucky. prado's error....revere's nonsense bloop...the dbacks not having a lefty AND staying with trevor farging cahill....basticho getting bailed out when he couldnt throw a strike when that dude swung at the 2-0 pitch....the gift strike call against the next batter on the 0-1 pitch....prado being called out at 2nd on the review
a ton of things swung their way. but so it goes. and dont get me started on ryne's use of the 3 capable relievers tonight. he just doesnt get it.
Burnett looked competent today against the worst team in baseball. The Phillies hitters, on the other hand, well...
Phil's bats with 12 K's, Asche with 4. Those bums had better have won that series in Phoenix against a team that is 2-13 at home.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2014, 07:15:50 PM
Burnett looked competent today against the worst team in baseball. The Phillies hitters, on the other hand, well...
Because Burnett is a good pitcher.
He would've been a great addition if the team was close to winning anything.
His lifetime average season is 13-12. He is what he is and that's fine. I wasn't really criticizing him; just pointing out the opponent is garbage and he pitched well against them as he should.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2014, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2014, 07:15:50 PM
Burnett looked competent today against the worst team in baseball. The Phillies hitters, on the other hand, well...
Because Burnett is a good pitcher.
He would've been a great addition if the team was close to winning anything.
considering he came at only one year its amazing a contender didnt sign him...he would have been perfect on someone like the orioles or rangers
Burnett's changed his pitching style. Way more groundball reliant. Led the NL in K/9 last year. His ERA the last two seasons plus this = 3.51, 3.30, and 2.15 so far. I was just responding to the he looked competent comment. He should be competent. The problem is signing a 1 year deal for a 37 year old pitcher with a NTC really only matters if you're closing to winning something substantial. Even if he's lights out as a #3 starter this year it'll probably be wasted on this team and the fact that they can't flip him to most teams.
The problem is that the Phillies have a GM who actually believes that they are a contender.
I want my GM to believe the team is a contender because they're, you know, actually a contender.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
The problem is signing a 1 year deal for a 37 year old pitcher with a NTC really only matters if you're closing to winning something substantial. E
Does he really have a no-trade clause? Lol
he does but its kinda moot. the only kind of team that could afford him to begin with is a team hed OK a deal to. the padres arent adding an $8 million pitcher at the deadline.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2014, 07:44:24 PM
His lifetime average season is 13-12.
lol...two seconds later legendz destroys you. man i love you rome but come on.
bases loaded pitcher batting...heidi walks him
This vagina does not like being wet.
In true Phillie fashion
Offense scores and a pitcher immediately gives the run(s) back
Great job, jerkoff
Booed off the field early in the season against the Mets again
nice to nice nikki in midseason form
The Phillies top 3 minor league teams' scores from last night:
8-0 (Loss)
10-2 (Loss)
20-0 (Loss)
Roob's legacy looking especially juicy these days.
Good to see Reading's offense is firing on all cylinders.
Quote from: Rome on April 30, 2014, 07:45:43 AM
The Phillies top 3 minor league teams' scores from last night:
8-0 (Loss)
10-2 (Loss)
20-0 (Loss)
Roob's legacy looking especially juicy these days.
Might as well throw the Phil's 6-1 loss in there too.
The organization was out scored 44-3. Good thing I love hockey so much.
No shock, but tonight's game was rained out
3. Jonathan Singleton | 1B |Houston Astros
Singleton, 22, was drafted by the Phillies and came to Houston in 2011 as part of the Hunter Pence trade. I always liked his swing and thought he would hit; the question was if he would have enough power to be a middle-of-the-order first baseman. Early evidence from 2014 suggests that he will.
Singleton continues to improve and is getting closer to being ready. His strikeout rate is down, his walk rate is up, and after posting a .687 OPS at Triple-A last year, he's over 1.000 in 2013. He homered six times in 294 plate appearances at Triple-A last year, and he has eight through 107 plate appearances this season. After missing 50 games last year while serving a suspension for testing positive for marijuana, he's showing that his transgressions are behind him.
He will be promoted after the Super Two deadline has passed and prior to the All-Star Game, giving Astros fans another reason to be excited.
GM Jeff Luhnow's take: "He is playing with confidence, and that seems to be the biggest difference. Defensively, he's very sound and projects to be an average to plus fielder at first base. With these top guys, you prefer not have to send them back, so we want to be pretty sure they are ready [when you promote them]."
:boo :boo
hunter pence for tommy joseph
the worst part of the cosart/singleton deal was that the phillies wouldnt do it unless the houston farging astros threw in a few million bucks
who the hell asks houston for money much less a huge market team
I should ask Houston for money for wear and tear on my ride from their motherfarging pot holes
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=t238&t=p_pbp&pid=570267
This guy was included alongside Singleton and Cosart as a PTBNL. Tons of raw power and a great athlete, especially at his size.
he stinks.....thats why i didnt mention him
Hey thanks for the kick in the balls, Dillen!
I saw Jayson Werth in the city the other day. Gave him the finger.
826 ops for franco in his last 10 games
needs 2-3 good months before they can make the call, but its a good sign hes getting over a horrible first few weeks.
Strasburg is just another guy now.
Let's go Phils!
Span is a douche
#Natitude
Kevin Frandsen? Little bitter is he?
Well I just have to say that I am farging shocked the bullpen blew a lead.
Shocked!!!
Mike Adams is pretty zesty.
No worries J, the Cornhusking Kraut is coming in. Swell.
Jesusssssss farginggggggg christtttttttttttt
I want to gouge my farging eyes out
That's the closest Revere will ever get to throwing a runner out at the plate.
3-2 lead to 5-3 deficit in the blink of an eye
Byrd dives like a farging paraplegic and everyone keeps running
Oh my God. Well done iceholes.
I mean what the farging farg?!
Five straight hits. This bullpen is a farging wreck.
I hope Ruben Amaro's farging dick falls off
Byrd's half assed, delayed diving attempt sums it all up.
Someone find me Amaro's email address.
I'll get you his home address, some plastic explosives and federal protection.
farg you to Choke.
Splendid farging ABs from Choke and Old Man Byrd
HOF needs to be the savior
Hahahahahahahahahahaha BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Walk
Single
shtein ass shtein from Howard
Goddamn joke from Byrd
Even more shtein from Brown
farg you
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 02, 2014, 09:56:50 PM
HOF needs to be the savior
That just doesn't sound right.
All three at bats by the big boys were awful.
you both are an embarrassment to philadelphia sports
As I am in my home. I'm not proud of this.
4 games back
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2014, 10:37:17 PM
you both are an embarrassment to philadelphia sports
lol...its as if this is the night where all of a sudden they suck
quite honestly it was a great night. they are another game closer to giving up and lee helped his trade value again.
Quote from: MDS on May 03, 2014, 02:30:35 AM
lol...its as if this is the night where all of a sudden they suck
its unbelievable
what do you mean 800 year old fossil marlon byrd isnt hitting .350 and playing gold glove defense! damn you amarooooooooooooo
how could mike adams blow up like that? he was SO good 5 years and 3 arm surgeries ago!
lol
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 02, 2014, 09:56:50 PM
Splendid farging ABs from Choke and Old Man Byrd
HOF needs to be the savior
haha i missed this
he has 1 homer since last august 14
ONE!!!!!
I forgot that liking the phillies was frowned upon here. Sorry.
even you have to admit "savoir" might have been a little strong
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2014, 02:44:23 AM
I forgot that liking the phillies was frowned upon here. Sorry.
they are my favorite team but i knew 2 years ago this was over....its OVA, its OVA.
let it go. drift off into the night. sleep, chasey, sleep.
Savior was being facetious
NM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2014, 02:44:23 AM
I forgot that liking the phillies was frowned upon here. Sorry.
Liking anything around here is frowned upon. Everything sucks. Except bacon
lol true
Btw...how's that Kevin Frandsen for Jayson Nix trade off working out? Another misstep by Ruben The Great
imagine if they had frandsen! theyd be UNDEFEATED.
Captain Minimize is here to not look at the issue and immediately disregard!
Just like letting Schierholtz go. Stupid move
tell me the difference if they keep scheerholtz and frandsen. what is the difference in their record. both of those guys arent really any good. they are slightly better than nix and gwynn, sure. that counts for a lot.
ruben amaro sucks for a lot of reasons, but not signing nate scheerholtz isnt one of them.
Tell me Schierholtz's numbers vs MAAAyberry
And it's about acquiring and keeping good solid talent. Both of those guys are better than people on the team now.
You won't win this one buddy
Will Ruiz get hit tonight for his slide last night?
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/hamels-flu-sent-home-will-miss-sunday-start
Heidi has vaginitis
:-D Rub a little Vagisil on it Heidi.
Choke with a 3 run bomb to start things off tonight and he quickly falls back to earth the next two at bats whiffing away.
Jesus Christ. I wish these farging morons who go to CBP would stop with the Werth booing already. Get over it people.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 03, 2014, 08:54:52 PM
Choke with a 3 run bomb to start things off tonight and he quickly falls back to earth the next two at bats whiffing away.
pretty sure if you have a three run homer you can do whatever you want the rest of the game and not fall back to earth
the hate for choke is unprecedented
Not hate. I love the guy. Yes, I do get pissed when he looks completely lost up there, i.e. his last at bat with no outs and bases juiced.
Now Papelbon and 90% of the bullpen I do hate.
The starting pitching has been great. They're hitting enough to score.
Downfall? Bullpen and zesty bench
the offense isnt by any means good but no one really expected it to be. its been about what you thought
they were always gonna have 3 very good starting pitchers and 2 serviceable arms that can keep them in games. thats whats happened.....the bullpen just blows.
but even if mike adams 2009 showed up theyd still be an 81-81 team.
1.5 games out after Papsmear closes out the 1-0 Fausto gem.
MDS....COME AT ME BRO!
Fausto Hernandez with the gem today.
gem
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2014, 05:56:31 PM
1.5 games out after Papsmear closes out the 1-0 Fausto gem.
MDS....COME AT ME BRO!
how did you and roob celebrate?
Had a big farging cake made that said SABR SUCKS
did you notice in the 8th. nationals got their leadoff runner on, then BUNTED and stranded the runner?
that was a great job of giving an out away. because sabr sucks.
It was the right play. I thought about you stroking out when it happened.
Bunt him over and hope for a single. Takes the force out away.
it was the right play except it was the wrong play
i love baseball
The whole "bunt him over and hope for a single" thing has been proven to work less often than having the extra out and hoping for two singles, and/or getting another guy a chance to bat instead of giving up the free out.
I'm sure with some pitchers who are especially bad at hitting, the odds might swing closer to the bunt's favor...but the math on it says most of the time, nah.
I'm not really a stats geek, but yeah bunting doesn't make it any more likely that you'll score.
QuoteFrandsen has performed well for the Nationals, carrying a .714 OPS into Friday's action. Meanwhile, Phillies pinch-hitters have slashed .194/.257/.387. They have had MLB-worst production out of third basemen Cody Asche, Freddy Galvis, and Jayson Nix with an aggregate .478 OPS. Outfielder John Mayberry, Jr. has the highest OPS among the team's bench players at .673.
As Adam Kilgore wrote in his column on the subject, "It's hard to imagine Frandsen wouldn't be one of the Phillies' best 25 players." In fact, Frandsen might've been one of the top-ten most productive players on the Phillies' current roster.
Oh dear.
Tonight's lineup is gonna be great. Freddy hitting 2nd (replacing Jimmy), Mayberry batting 7th and Nix batting 8th, with Kendrick pitching.
Kendrick is protecting Nix.
JA Happ aka Sandy Koufax holds them scoreless.
Byrd triples off the new Jays pitcher with no out. Choke flies out to right and Bautista guns Byrd
Yay.
sandberg could possibly be worse for manuel
batting glavis 2nd instead of chooch....AAAberry...nix...ANYONE is utterly insane. its beyond comprehension. it didnt cost them the game because good lord they suck regardless but jesus christ how stupid can you be.
if any homers want to know why i am so negative here's the reason. THEY STINK
you people get way too excited about these losers
Missed most of tonight's game to watch my son's little league team in their playoffs. They would probably beat the Phils at this point.
You didn't miss much.
Sandberg is very Tito Franconaish with his lineups. That Bataan death march of shtein he out out there tonight reeked of Tito playing Sefcik and Co all the time.
Let's talk about one Domonic Dallas Brown shall we?
Looking more likely he should've been dealt while the iron was hot. His swing is long and he's missing crushable pitches.
he still has 1 homer since last august and is being platooned with john mayberry jr....even though hes hitting much better against lhp. like significantly so.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/29673/domonic-brown
choke is hitting a crisp .235 vs. lefties which is actually better than i thought it was gonna be. ops vs. lhp 730, ops vs. rhp 813.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2014, 11:18:04 PM
Let's talk about one Domonic Dallas Brown shall we?
He should have stuck with football at The U.
Heidi with lousy control and just gave up a farging bomb
Yay
Oh farg me with this lazy lousy farging base running
Byrd doubles
1-33 hitting Freddy grounds to the pitcher and Byrd gets nailed in a rundown. Then Freddy gets caught in a rundown too! Trying to go to second!!
Boooooooooooo
Oh my God! Galvis you farging stupid idiot. Lead off double by Byrd and once again nada.
Even the homers at the park turned on him there. Kook.
Galvis is a goddamn mess. Step it up, Freddy.
Where's mds to tell us Jimmy shouldn't be here but Freddy should be the everyday guy?
More farging sloppy shtein
farg!
Freddie? Really? Comedy of errors. JRoll in a wheelchair could move better.
Freddie's presence and Hiedi's hormonal imbalance will not help things tonight.
Ascheeeeeeee!! He finally does something worthwhile!
Slam!!
Tie game
Stephen Hawking can throw farther than Revere.
And more accurately than Antonio The Arsonist
Ballgame.
Great work tonight Freddie and Retardo.
in more relevant news, i just peed
And probably more accurate than basticho and Revere.
revere is tied for 21st in ops among cf's. only better than abraham almonte and wil venable, who are both hitting below the mendoza line.
hof brown is 19th in ops among lf's. only above alejando de aza and eric young jr. his ops is lower than revere's.
asche isnt qualified but hes 10th among 3b's in ops. pretty good idea to have jayson nix and freddy galvis steal at bats from him.
choke has the 22nd-best ops among qualified 1b's. utley is 1st, hes the bestest more hustling whitest man ever. jimmy 8th, byrd 7th, chooch 3rd.
if you want to know why their offense stinks...there you go. the four most vital offense positions are outfield and 1b, and the phillies are subpar in 3 of the 4.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2014, 10:18:44 AM
there isnt going to be much to watch this team for this team for this year but ill be following this....
top ten all time list of most ab's without a HR....with an injury free year big ben can move into the 4 spot
1. bill holbert - 2335
2 tom oliver - 1931
3 irv hall - 1904
4 pat deasley - 1466
5 tommy bond - 1441
6 roxy walters - 1426
7 paul cook - 1364
8 don sutton - 1354
9 ben revere - 1304
10. joe mcginnity - 1297
1 bill holbert - 2335
2 tom oliver - 1931
3 irv hall - 1904
4 pat deasley - 1466
5 tommy bond - 1441
6 roxy walters - 1426
7 ben revere - 14198. paul cook - 1364
9. don sutton - 1354
10. joe mcginnity - 1297
this is the starting cf from the team donho and j think will win the world series
(http://www.crossingbroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Revere2.gif)
Not sure what's worse....the throw or the decision to cut it off.
If home plate were in the dugout, that throw would have been on point.
I love the on deck batter yelling "GET DOWN!!"
Haha....I didn't even notice that. I was paying more attention to Chooch throwing his arms up like "WTF?"
MDS - what's your boy Galvis hitting?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 07, 2014, 02:52:12 PM
Not sure what's worse....the throw or the decision to cut it off.
I haven't thrown a baseball in 10 years and I'm 100% positive I could make a better throw than Revere.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2014, 03:46:49 PM
MDS - what's your boy Galvis hitting?
hes obviously in a bad place but its not really not of any relevance
i wanted and still want galvis to play because i want to see if he can be an effective hitter (current answer: no). the gist with that is they aren't competing for anything, so his struggles don't really deter anything. which they arent. so whether glavis goes 4 for 4 or 0 for 25, it doesnt matter. this team still stinks.
Jimmy = GAWD and doesn't need replacing.
This bullpen and bench stink.
Nothing matters during the season because they suck.
Awesome.
The commercial with the Phanatic and Papsmear cracks me up
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2014, 05:26:31 PMThis bullpen and bench stink.
they do but they are not the reason the phillies arent good
Quote from: Rome on May 07, 2014, 06:43:59 PM
Nothing matters during the season because they suck.
Awesome.
now you get it
They are the reason they're not good. How bad has the BP been and how many leads blown?
no bullpen is perfect, what happened last night was kinda bullzesty but its baseball. papelbon has 1 blown save which is pretty good. adams has had 1 bad outing. these things happen.
if the bullpen was really good theyd probably have 2-3 more wins, realistically. the reason they need the bullpen to come through so often is because they cant score. they are in a lot of close games. the offense isnt good. the bullpen isnt good. there is no talent on the bench. the manager is dumb. and thus, THE PHILLIES SUCK.
Revere farging blows. Never thought I'd miss Victorino as much as I do. Maybe the best defensive center fielder to ever play
Holy Kratz
Well motherfarging shtein
Nice job Lee.
Toronto kills the ball
the phillies have scored 0 runs tonight
This inning is definitely going to affect Lee's W/L total
Does Cliff deserve the loss, mds?
Strike out and wild pitch and a run scores
Jesus farging Christ
you realize theres a playoff basektball game...theres still daylight outside...internet porn....something...ANYTHING else
Nine farging runs allowed in the 7th
Nine!
(Cue principal from Ferris Bueller saying "nine times")
Encarnacion tripled and homered.
farg
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0rPFASUXY
Quote from: MDS on May 07, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
the phillies have scored 0 runs tonight
Other than the sixth inning last night, the Phillies have scored 0 runs in this series.
Or, Toronto scored more runs in the 7th inning than the Phils have in three games.
Or... the Phillies farging suck. Time to make final exams!
Well there was the pitching staff in a nutshell. Holy shtein that was ugly.
Can Rob Ford sodomize Amaro?
I hope the Phils don't win another game all year, if that's what it takes to get rid of Amaro.
(Won't stop be from rooting for the bas-tards every game I watch, though. That's battered fan syndrome.)
amaro sucks but what is happening now was always gonna happen. everyone got old and they are what they are.
its not amaro's fault they didnt win 09 10 or 11. but it is his fault they weren't better prepared to handle the inevitable downfall with any kind of competency.
Quote from: MDS on May 07, 2014, 09:20:36 PM
amaro sucks but what is happening now was always gonna happen. everyone got old and they are what they are.
everything that is happening now was predicted by smart people three years ago
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2014, 09:39:01 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 07, 2014, 09:20:36 PM
amaro sucks but what is happening now was always gonna happen. everyone got old and they are what they are.
everything that is happening now was predicted by smart people three years ago
if the bullpen was better and if they kept erik kratz theyd be undefeated!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2014, 09:09:56 PM
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His father must be so proud.
Blue Jays hit like crazy...jeez
I'd rather listen to Berman squeal and Gruden profess every kid that ever played football is the greatest player ever than watch the train wreck in Canada.
I'll check in during commercials and that's it
Don't do it. 12-3 Blue Jays.
Haha no shtein?
Galvis sent to AAA
gotta love the garbage time hr from choke
thats why hes on my fantasy team
They might win tonight (Hernandez/Mejia), but Kendrick/Gee and Hamels/Niese are automatic losses
I haven't watched a game since the first one vs. the Blue Jays (Monday?) because of school and little league. Haven't really missed it as much as I would think.
Full disclosure: I could have watched the latter parts of some of the games, but I checked the score and didn't bother.
Shawn Camp is outta here, Brignac is up to replace Galvis, and Kenny Giles was promoted to LV
who is getting a bigger free pass:
utley or sandberg
at least all those horrific losses were against an AL team. right guys? RIGHT?
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2014, 02:00:39 PM
who is getting a bigger free pass:
utley or sandberg
The guy with the highest OPS on the team and the first year manager who's been given a bunch of fossils to coach are kinda far down my blame meter at the moment. Not the same as a free pass, but I'm not sure why they should be the focus of too much of the criticism at the moment. The Phillies suck and if you're looking for people to blame, it's a target-rich environment.
i wasnt blaming either guy....just wondering who is getting a bigger free pass. the media calls sandberg "ryno" as if hes their buddy and utley is essentially jesus reincarnated to the racists fans.
the biggest pass thus far goes to amaro for as long as he keeps his job for. this may be the worst team in baseball history based solely on the amount of money shoveled out for these bums over the passed 3 seasons for the productivity and success they've had. it's almost comical if your a fan and LOL funny if you aren't.
lol...that's so true...the return this team gives for the money is amazingly awful
HOF with two ribbies? He sick?
As of their last home game – Tuesday's 6-5 loss to the Toronto Blue Jays – the Phils were league leaders in year-over-year attendance drop. After 15 home games, average attendance at Citizens Bank Park was 29,605 – a per-game plummet of 7,070, steepest in Major League Baseball.
It also represents an enormous loss of revenue. With the average Phillies ticket priced at $37.50, according to Team Marketing Report, 7,070 fewer fans means $265,125 less each game. Over 81 home games, that translates into more than $21 million.
aw poop. howards salary isn't covered +4 million this year. like they literally don't realize the only reason the won a championship was because gillick was in charge. cool
the funniest part is no one realizes they'll never spend this amount of money again. they know they fans aren't all homer retards and will spend whatever they ask for tickets. therefore their own imposed salary cap will drop. gotta make that money kid.
Mother of god
Bullpen.
Again.
basticho with two outs four pitch walk to Murphy and RYNO leaves him in to face Wright
First pitch double
Tied
farg
he is slowly replacing Papsmear as the biggest douche in the pen, oh wait, they still have Diekman. farg.
that had to be the worst game of the year....4 hours to play 9 innings with 2 horrible teams going nowhere. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The skies cleared and the rays of sunshine are shining upon us thanks to the cheery disposition of lil guy
i honestly felt bad for the fans, media, umps, workers, etc. to have to sit through that horrible game, not fair. its one thing if its the tigers or giants or some good team that could use the win. but these 2 sacks of shteins? they shoulda just flipped a coin after 3 hours, what difference would it have made?
Kendrick is a farging mess
Has 2-0 lead (Phils left em loaded btw)
David Wright erases that lead on an 0-2 down the middle meatball
My man Jimmmmayyyyyy!
Kendrick sucking again
farging shtein
Grit!!
Nice double to score Jimmy The Gawd
Oh Jesus farging Christ ..... Come on Utley.
What a dumb farging selfish mistake. Idiot base running
And it cost them a run bc Choke singled.
Now I wanna hear people rip Utley for that shtein. Because if Jimmy did it then he'd be slammed
Had "smartest man on the field" syndrome there. Costly mistake.
costly as in they might fall behind the mets in the standings
Mike Adams feeling generous this evening
Can David Wright get hit by a subway train please?
farging goofball motherfarger
Yes!
Great ABs from Jimmy, Grit and Choke with 2 outs
Walk
Single
Single
Phils lead
The Phils win...thaaaaaa Phillies win!
farg you Wright
wow. 2 wins over the mets. wow. amazing. wow.
What's saltier?
The rim of a margarita glass or Todd's attitude?
havas when the eagles drafted their 5th white go-getter yesterday
Hamels less than sharp again.
Chokes wheels helped them score...I'm still in shock
that double is a homer at the bank....nikki lucky he didnt cough up another lead
Byrd's double is also an easy homer at the Bank. Pitch in the park you in.
Overall I think it was an encouraging outing by Hamels. Fought through some stuff and only gave up one run through seven innings.
I do question running him out in the 7th. 133 pitches - what is this, 1978?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 11, 2014, 03:50:48 PM
Byrd's double is also an easy homer at the Bank. Pitch in the park you in.
Overall I think it was an encouraging outing by Hamels. Fought through some stuff and only gave up one run through seven innings.
I do question running him out in the 7th. 133 pitches - what is this, 1978?
he wasnt trying to give up the double....just happened to happen and happened to be in zesty field, not the bank.
the 133 isnt a big deal if it rarely happens. 120 isnt a big deal...whats 13 more pitches?
Papsmear unavailable
Tony B in....hold me
Time for Bas-tardo to pour on the gasoline.
Double
Homer
No outs
Hahaha what a joke
this outing is an example of why the save stat is stupid
anyway, resume watching tony b suck
Hahaha another double
Tony B gone.
Fausto coming outta the pen. Game one starter and game three savior?
why isnt papelbon available? he cant throw 3 days in a row?
friday was like a 6 pitch outing...yesterday was like 20ish i think. his arm should be OK. hes had plenty of time off before this series.
Agreed
Johnny Paps needs to be out there. We have a $60m Hoyda on our hands
Utley gritted himself out of a relatively easy catch there.
And that needs to be a catch by His Gritness
Hahahaha tied game
Jesus
lol hamels doesnt get the win
STATS STATS STATS
Todd must really love the blown save stat charged to Fausto Hernandez, when all three runs were charged to the bas-tard.
I'm serious when I say is take the 1994-2000 bullpens over this one
Papelbon is a waste. Way to sit on your ass jerkoff
Here's a spoiler: They're going to lose.
Yep.
Bullpen blows another one.
Like there was any doubt after coughing up the three-run lead. Todd must have rubbed himself raw by now.
Papelbon said his neck was sore. Gimme a break
cant fault manship. he gave them one inning without giving up a run, cant ask for much more than that. tony b flat out stinks.
easy to skate over the horrible offense they have when the bullpen sucks this bad, but again, no bullpen is going to be perfect. look at the orioles last night. hunter blows a save...o's battle back to win in the 10th. they have a good offense that can pick up the bullpen here and there. the phillies do not. the phillies are just not a good team. im not jerking off to it but at least i get it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 11, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
Papelbon said his neck was sore. Gimme a break
lol what a Hoyda. pitch even though you're hurt. its may. its the mets. the world series is on the line!!
Are you saying you agree with him Hoydaing out?
theres no agreeing or disagreeing....he wasnt feeling right and couldnt go. if its september or october then hes gotta pitch through it (and pap is a douche but i think he would in that case). but since its may and this team stinks, whats the point?
why risk further injury. hes really helping his trade value lately.
There's a difference between hurt and injured. For instance, reading Todd's repetitive posts day after day hurts my head but I'm not injured by them.
Haha
You at least give it a go. Warm up. Help your farging team rather than sit on the bench like a sixty million dollar paperweight.
Papelweight?
Defend your boy Paps, lil guy!!
@howardeskin: As reported on Sports Sun @FOX29philly #Phillies Paplebon told Sandberg could not pitch 9th Sun, but I was told he was not hurt. MGR angry
dont care. if i were him or lee i wouldnt throw another pitch for this pos team
i hate romeys boy as much as anyone but sandberg is out of control
rip jayson nix...1 week after platooning with cody asche, he gets cut. youve got to love to bad baseball teams.
either cesar or ruf will be called up. if they call up ruf they will at some juncture start byrd in cf and brown/ruf in the corners. that should work out splendidly.
what was nix' WAR ?
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2014, 02:42:32 PM
rip jayson nix...1 week after platooning with cody asche, he gets cut. youve got to love to bad baseball teams.
either cesar or ruf will be called up. if they call up ruf they will at some juncture start byrd in cf and brown/ruf in the corners. that should work out splendidly.
I don't know why you're so upset...we all knew coming into the season this was going to be a bad baseball team. Nix wasn't going to change that
Even better that they cut Frandsen for him
yeah but they saved money.
Quote from: smeags on May 12, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
what was nix' WAR ?
I don't think this includes yesterday's game, but here's WAR from baseball reference. Always amusing:
GRIT 1.6
JRoll 1.2
Byrd 1.1
Chooch 1.1
Burnett 1.1
Lee 0.9
Paps 0.9
Nieves 0.3
Kendrick 0.3
R. Hernandez 0.3
Hollands 0.1
Adams 0.0
Camp 0.0
Hamels 0.0
Diekman -0.1
Manship -0.1
De Fratus -0.1
Lincoln -0.1
Brignac -0.1
Nix -0.1
C. Hernandez -0.1
basticho -0.2
Garcia -0.2
Choke -0.2
AAA -0.2
Rosenberg -0.3
Asche -0.3
Revere -0.3
Pettibone -0.4
Gwynn -0.6
HOF -0.6
GaLOLvis -0.9
Quote from: SD on May 12, 2014, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2014, 02:42:32 PM
rip jayson nix...1 week after platooning with cody asche, he gets cut. youve got to love to bad baseball teams.
either cesar or ruf will be called up. if they call up ruf they will at some juncture start byrd in cf and brown/ruf in the corners. that should work out splendidly.
I don't know why you're so upset...we all knew coming into the season this was going to be a bad baseball team. Nix wasn't going to change that
not upset at all...not invested one iota in this team. they are a sunk ship.
but blee dat there are folks who have yet to come to grips with reality. some of them walk among us.
Haha...stop denying your true Phillie pheelings Todd
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2014, 06:32:17 PM
Quote from: SD on May 12, 2014, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2014, 02:42:32 PM
rip jayson nix...1 week after platooning with cody asche, he gets cut. youve got to love to bad baseball teams.
either cesar or ruf will be called up. if they call up ruf they will at some juncture start byrd in cf and brown/ruf in the corners. that should work out splendidly.
I don't know why you're so upset...we all knew coming into the season this was going to be a bad baseball team. Nix wasn't going to change that
not upset at all...not invested one iota in this team. they are a sunk ship.
but blee dat there are folks who have yet to come to grips with reality. some of them walk among us.
If you don't give a shtein about the team why do you continue to bore everyone here with your bullshtein?
This is why people block you here, asshat.
wahhh wahhh i dont like what im hearing wahhh wahhh wahh
i drop truth bombs. cant take the heat, get off the street.
christ, you even sound.like a nerd when you try to be hood.
Its not about "not liking what you're hearing", its the fact that you're not saying anything new. You're repeating yourself every time you post. Everyone knows what you think.
2-1 phils top of the ninth with a man on first tonight
mike trout at bat....paps on the mound
what % of phillie fans are rooting for trout to hit a homer?
All of south jersey? And mds.
But the question is...is Paps ok or is he turtling up in the bullpen bc his body is sore?
I mean let's not push him too hard here.
id def be rooting for trout and in turn against paps amaro and HOF
paps is going to be on with ike and mike today...should be interesting
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Quote"I love it. They don't expect anything but greatness." -Papelbon on Philadelphia
cesar hernandez called up.
millville has 8,000 people coming tonight
lol the town has less than 30k residents
trout can DIAF after his extension. he should want to come home, not spend his career wasting away in orange county with a second tier team.
he had four years till free agency.....you know how much shtein can happen to you in four years
no doubt...but he loves his little worthless nj town and bleeds green. seems to me he would want to come home. and it aint like he wouldnt get caked off if he signed a 4 year extension.
All those people giving Trout a standing ovation would suck him off if they could
Ummmmmm Asche's defense has been zesty
Toddrick...what is his farging UZR?
Jesus tap dancing Christ
4-2
Thank you Cody Assssssshole
This is funny now.
Third error for Cody Asche.
Three. In two innings.
corksucker
Marvin Hudson is having a terrible game behind the plate too
Ryno is a corpse and doesn't ever argue anything. Wake up, clown
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2014, 09:02:15 PM
This is funny now.
Third error for Cody Asche.
Three. In two innings.
corksucker
Give him an A for each. As in AAA.
Bring up Franco!
Let's see if these dopes can rally for two runs.
Utley made another stupid farging base running error too
Todd is going to deep throat Sciosca tonight
He's using his closer in the 8th to face 2-3-4
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2014, 12:26:08 PM
millville has 8,000 people coming tonight
lol the town has less than 30k residents
Haha....that town is like 10 miles away from me and is pretty much a MA shteinhole. Avg household income is like $25k, so the people who made the trip down just farged their kids out of xmas.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
Todd is going to deep throat Sciosca tonight
He's using his closer in the 8th to face 2-3-4
is smith officially their "closer?" either way it was super smart to use your best reliever for the best hitters in the other teams order. logic being applied to baseball. amazing.
anyway bla bla bla the phillies suck. bla bla bla.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2014, 01:35:37 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2014, 12:26:08 PM
millville has 8,000 people coming tonight
lol the town has less than 30k residents
Haha....that town is like 10 miles away from me and is pretty much a MA shteinhole. Avg household income is like $25k, so the people who made the trip down just farged their kids out of xmas.
i thought you lived in central PA?
cant believe raoul is still kicking along and producing
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 07:12:50 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2014, 01:35:37 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2014, 12:26:08 PM
millville has 8,000 people coming tonight
lol the town has less than 30k residents
Haha....that town is like 10 miles away from me and is pretty much a MA shteinhole. Avg household income is like $25k, so the people who made the trip down just farged their kids out of xmas.
i thought you lived in central PA?
Yes and no. There's no real difference between central PA and where I live. It's all small town after small town and you'd never really be able to tell the difference between where I live and say, Altoona or State College if you're just driving around. It's all MA.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Millville,+PA+17846/Danville,+PA/Philadelphia,+PA/@40.5344577,-76.5088584,8z/data=!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x89cf7f5d86788433:0x441ae15a8832d8bd!2m2!1d-76.5299495!2d41.120363!1m5!1m1!1s0x89cf6538e03a582d:0xceea3df3d7837f38!2m2!1d-76.6127329!2d40.96342!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c6b7d8d4b54beb:0x89f514d88c3e58c1!2m2!1d-75.163789!2d39.952335!3e0
what i really was asking is if you lived in jersey now.....now that i know you dont im guessing you live near a millville pa....trout is from south jerz
2014 BA
choke .261
trout .266
what is everyone patience level with hof?
someone named garrett richards just made him look like a minor leaguer. he couldnt catch up to a 95mph fastball, then pulled the string and had hof swinging early on 2-2. he flat out stinks.
hasnt it been known for a couple years now that he sucked
that said i have tons of patience with him..run him out there for the next three years for all i care...what do you have to lose...hes not holding anyone in reading back
not after he hit 30000 homers last may.....he made the all star team. it was his BREAKOUT time. now its may 14 and he has 1 homer since last august.
only caitlyn from haddonfield was fooled by that month
he has the lowest war and second lowest ops among qualified left fielders. this is very very bad. he has fewer homers than brett gardner, who i am bigger than.
the roster is completely powerless...no one can drive a ball on anything close to a consistent basis
if you want to talk about patience how about ben revere....he is completely and utterly worthless...at least you can argue HOF is still a "prospect" type
I am sad I am missing another offensive shtein show
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 03:16:12 PM
the roster is completely powerless...no one can drive a ball on anything close to a consistent basis
if you want to talk about patience how about ben revere....he is completely and utterly worthless...at least you can argue HOF is still a "prospect" type
ben revere: 26 years old, into his 4th year as a starter
hof: 26 years old, into his 3rd year as a starter
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2014, 03:19:58 PM
I am sad I am missing another offensive shtein show
choke booed off the field after another meandering strikeout with 2 runners in scoring position.
Quote from: MDS on May 14, 2014, 03:22:38 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 03:16:12 PM
the roster is completely powerless...no one can drive a ball on anything close to a consistent basis
if you want to talk about patience how about ben revere....he is completely and utterly worthless...at least you can argue HOF is still a "prospect" type
ben revere: 26 years old, into his 4th year as a starter
hof: 26 years old, into his 3rd year as a starter
500 ab is still 500 ab and the big difference is ben revere was never a prospect to begin....HOF was a prized 5 tool prized posession and homegrown....laughable to think about but its cause to give him a much longer leash
i can see that logic, but hof has had at bats in the bigs since 2010. he has done absolutely nothing to distinguish himself outside of 1 random power surge last may. other than that hes been absolutely horrible. he is what he is. and hes not good.
because of his wheels revere could be a major league player for a while, but obviously hes not a starter. hes a spot guy, pinch runner and decent pinch hitter. slap hitters dont have swings that can lose their timing, so he doesnt even need consistent at bats to stay fresh. hed do well in a dave roberts role for an al team or something.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 01:58:09 PM
what i really was asking is if you lived in jersey now.....now that i know you dont im guessing you live near a millville pa....trout is from south jerz
Oh, I thought it was the other Millville. I think the locals are confused too because I've heard a few of them bragging about Mike Trout last week and how he's a local kid. Since I'm not from here, I assumed they at least knew who the local talent was. Guess I was wrong.
1-8 in interleague. Different manager, same pathetic effort against the AL
and not counting that 1 game against the Mets, they've been swept four times already
Boo Choke but cheer for Mike farging Trout
got it.
Matt Gelb @magelb 12m
If you thought the Phillies were bad, a local TV reporter called Marlon Byrd "Dom" following Wednesday's 3-0 loss.
Matt Gelb @magelb 7m
To Byrd's credit, he did not answer the TV reporter's question. "You don't even know my name," Byrd said.
wow thats awful
name names....who was it
why is byrd always talking about horrible losses...he was on the team 2 seconds ago
free pass howard utley rollins as usual
No idea who it was...but I wanna know too. Todd - get on it!
Utley's free pass is sickening. He started well but he's tailed off and his base running has been shtein.
Utley is hitting .343 with a .401 OBP and leads the league in doubles. I haven't looked at all other 2B but I'm pretty sure he's been the best 2B in the NL this year. His D has regressed pretty significantly but he deserves less than no heat for the phillies failings this year.
Supposedly it was Skversky
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 14, 2014, 06:12:00 PM
Utley is hitting .343 with a .401 OBP and leads the league in doubles. I haven't looked at all other 2B but I'm pretty sure he's been the best 2B in the NL this year. His D has regressed pretty significantly but he deserves less than no heat for the phillies failings this year.
i wasnt talking about his productivity (which, as you said, is quite good aside from some defensive deficiencies)...i was talking about how hes the face of the team and forces marlon byrd to stand up and talk about another no show performance from his lineup
rollins and choke are the same way. all 3 have been babied by the phillies handlers and its been accepted by the media, as well.
Utley has always been a no-show with the media. He's been that way his whole career even at their peak. They're probably used to it by now.
to be fair GRIT never talked even when they were winning
its not his fault its the fanbases but whats more sickening than him not talking now is how he was elevated to god status because the one farging time he did talk he was twisted and said that world farging champion crap....that's going to be the thing everyone remembers from the championship era even tho when they couldnt farging even win a division jimmy was the one who keep them going and the true leader of the team
"we are the team to beat" calling out the mets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "world farging champions"
Uhh...he's also going to be remembered for "Chase Utley you are the man!"....Harry K immortalized him before world farging champions.
Jimmy's statement is second to Moses' I think.
lol skervsky or whatever being an idiot
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2014, 07:16:40 PM
Jimmy's statement is second to Moses' I think.
moses' was cooler but jimmys was much more important
Either way Jimmy is the King of Philadelphia sports now and has been for years.
gotta go back to the sixers finals run and iversons prime to find someone who is a larger philly athlete
all around in terms of on the field off the field in locker room ect...hes arguably the greatest phillie of all time
Agreed.
Schmidt
Carlton
Jimmy
??
??
In no order --- fill in the other two
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 06:31:21 PM
to be fair GRIT never talked even when they were winning
"we are the team to beat" calling out the mets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "world farging champions"
Plus grit's riveting comments are about as exciting as watching paint dry.
Yes! Calling out the Mets and infuriating that fan base was priceless by JRoll.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2014, 07:43:40 PM
Agreed.
Schmidt
Carlton
Jimmy
??
??
In no order --- fill in the other two
I guess Robin Roberts who I never saw play but do know he was one hell of a pitcher. Richie for sure. Bowa? Dick Allen?
I think Utley has to be on the list
Johnny Callison?
Roberts?
Jim Bunning?
Chuck Klein
Richie Ashburn
Choke
Grit
chris t. jones
mark davis
travis lee
dana bible
GRIT
matt stairs
GRIT
dutch
GRIT
Kendrick gonna Kendrick
3r homer
Jimmy's defensive play to end the first was beautiful
About 5-10k in the stands tonight on Irish heritage night...
Jimmy walks and Ruiz singles....runners on first and third for Grit and Choke
Grit strikes out....silence from the crowd
Choke strikes out...and the boos rain down
Zero runs
how is chooch not permanently at the top of the order and ben stoned to death
That's what they're saying is gonna happen now
Jimmy The Pimp
Ruiz
Free Pass Grit
Choke
Byrd
Dallas Dom
Cody AAAsche
Revere
who is "they"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2014, 08:06:30 PM
About 5-10k in the stands tonight on Irish heritage night...
It poured here this morning right up to game time
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2014, 08:10:33 PM
how is chooch not permanently at the top of the order and ben stoned to death
"You just don't get it, this team sucks no matter what they do. There's no point in paying attention to them or commenting on this thread even though I do more than anyone" - mcnabb_douchebag_superbowl
Quote from: SD on May 16, 2014, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2014, 08:10:33 PM
how is chooch not permanently at the top of the order and ben stoned to death
"You just don't get it, this team sucks no matter what they do.
fair point and we all know this...but the manager cant give up in may
They is TMac and Stairs
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
They is TMac and Stairs
they gave their opinion on the broadcast you mean....no ones reported it have they?
They said that's what Sandberg was gonna do...move Jimmy and Ruiz to 1-2 and drop Revere
6-12 at home
Always getting shut out
20 straight scoreless innings
Worst start since 2005
Comfort me someone.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2014, 10:23:02 PM
Comfort me someone.
i know you are homer #1 but you didnt really think they werent gonna suck this year did you...i cant tell if you are fargin around or not
Deep down yeah. I love baseball and the phillies so much that I always go into the season optimistic. I hate when my farging summer is ruined by shtein ass baseball
are the phils your #1 team of the city four
Nah it's Eagles first but it's close.
I was a better baseball player than football and had a bat and glove in my hands from birth. I just love the game. Plus my grandfather was a huge fan and the summers spent fishing in the schuykill or down the shore listening to the games are some of my favorite memories. So I have a tight connection with the Phils....so yeah.
so yeah they are
or nah its the eagles
The so yeah was just the ending to the little story time
Eagles first by a nose
Bunch of goddamn obscenely overpaid iceholes.
get 'em tomorrow, boys
still plenty of season left
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2014, 08:10:33 PM
how is chooch not permanently at the top of the order and ben stoned to death
:-D :-D :-D
Revere with his obiligatory lay out incredible let me suck these fools in diving catch followed by 15 straight games of horse shtein. farg him.
BREAKING NEWS
The phillies have scored.
ARMAGEDDON ALERT - TAKE SHELTER IMMEDIATELY
DALLAS DOM BROWN HAS HIT A HOMER
That was a shot by Von Brown. Be nice if he could do it a little more often than once a month.
Well now they are guaranteed to score one or none tomorrow.
12-1
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2014, 09:46:20 PM
Well now they are guaranteed to score one or none tomorrow.
In all fairness, there was pretty good odds of that even if they didn't score 12 tonight.
great game tonight, keep it up and take the series
lets turn this around!
Only 3.5 out son
i went to the nats mets game yesterday
bartolo colon is fatter than me and is a major leaguer
Phillies may be the dumbest defensive team in baseball and that's hard to do with some of the poor teams out there.
Hamilton stole 3rd on Lee
Nieves throws badly otherwise he's out
Runner on first gets picked but they've got him in a run down
Phillies execute it poorly - runner safe at second and third
Lee gets a grounder and now the DP is out of the question
Run scores
JIMMMMMMAYYYYYY!!!
Nieves!!
Back to back!!
jimmy's been very good for the most part this year.
Mds will be along shortly to run him outta town for .033 hitting Galvis
pretty much
they need to get something for him. they never got anything for halladay and looked how that turned out.
lol like clockwork
He's going to finish his career in Philly and he deserves that. He's 10/5 and ain't going nowhere.
Wow Hamilton hosed him
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2014, 02:31:35 PM
lol like clockwork
He's going to finish his career in Philly and he deserves that. He's 10/5 and ain't going nowhere.
deserve aint goin nothing to do with it
how his hair look, J?
Sure it does. Legacy players like him deserve to call their shots. Man wants to ride and die as a Phillie then that's what he gets.
his contract is up at the end of this year. hes got 10/5 so he block a trade but he cant force them to sign him. and i wouldnt be surprised if roob moves on.
you dont trade jimmy....EVER
the bruins traded roy bourque. these things happen.
plus the only way jimmy goes this year is if he wants to....it would be amicable if that makes you feel better. but this is the big boy world and your heroes and favortiest players sometimes go away, little mikey and little J-ey.
You don't trade Jimmy and his 10/5 allows him to tell you and Ruben to farg off.
The only way he goes? If Oakland or SF wants him. And then only maybe.
Btw he's gonna vest his 2015 option
Cliff needs to stop grooving first pitch strikes to mesoraco
AAAsche!! 3r homer to make it 8-2!
He's staying in against lefties and boom
J you comin in for the october playoff run?
Goddamn right. And you're not invited! You're banished to Texico
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2014, 04:08:46 PM
Goddamn right. And you're not invited! You're banished to the Havas basement
Havas' basement > rape basement
You'll have a endless supply of crack juice but have to wear a Tocchet jersey or buddy Ryan sweater all the time
You think IGY'd let someone else touch his Buddy sweaters?
Good point. Probably not.
phillies play 54 games in 55 days starting tuesday
guess:
number of players put on dl during that stretch
choke homers
ben revere starts
numbers of wins
number of games they will be back of 1st and the end of it
Quote from: General_Failure on May 18, 2014, 05:24:41 PM
You think IGY'd let someone else touch his Buddy sweaters?
or my crack juice
Quote from: MDS on May 19, 2014, 12:52:28 AM
phillies play 54 games in 55 days starting tuesday
guess:
number of players put on dl during that stretch
choke homers
ben revere starts
numbers of wins
number of games they will be back of 1st and the end of it
Zero
10
44
27
IN FIRST BITCH
So a 27-27 record in the next 54 gets them in first at a total of 46-49? What a horrible division.
Oops...that should be 37.
37-17
im more perplexed by the ben revere starts than the win total, to be honest
you do realize hes horrible
and yet the phils still got the better end of that deal.
Tomorrow night they're facing a Colts Neck NJ kid that made his ML debut against the Dodgers a few days ago
Cy DeSclafani (http://m.mlb.com/video/v32886269/mialad-desclafani-fans-seven-in-major-league-debut)
So... no-hitter, or just complete game shutout?
Phillies could use a super utility guy who can play anywhere and get big hits...someone like Kevin Frandsen.
Oh, right.
who do you love more, frandsen or scheerholtz?
Don't blame the old farts! (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/dont-blame-older-core-phils-early-stumbles)
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2014, 01:31:13 AM
who do you love more, frandsen or scheerholtz?
Both of them would fit well on the team...but you'd rather see people like Nix, Galvis and MAAAyberry
how many world series would they have won if they just kept kevin frandsen?
They'd be ahead of the Yankees by now.
greg dobbs and matt stairs put together only producd one
Ouch
QuoteNothing out of LF/CF
Domonic Brown and Ben Revere have done next to nothing for seven weeks. Phils leftfielders and centerfielders have combined to hit .237 with a .294 on-base percentage and .298 slugging percentage, and have just two home runs.
Brown has looked like a bust, unable to square up pitches or pull them with power. He's looked better lately, but he's had a year to adjust to opposing pitchers' own adjustments and he hasn't done it.
hey brown ... what no pics of you wearing dallas gear in the phillies clubhouse this year ???
They've discussed putting Asche in LF
Von Brown's running out of chances. If he's not producing something by mid-June, I think he'll be benched or sent down.
When did I miss this:
Cliff Lee gets MRI on his elbow. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/cliff-lee-undergoes-mri-left-elbow)
I missed it too. Jeez.
WHO IS THIS fargING UMPIRE?!?!? Jesus Christ he's awful
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/sandberg-phils-keeping-montgomery-their-thoughts?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Beautiful play by Gwynn
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 20, 2014, 07:40:51 PM
When did I miss this:
Cliff Lee gets MRI on his elbow. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/cliff-lee-undergoes-mri-left-elbow)
old people get hurt easily
welcome to reality, ruben and J and the rest of the homers
Jimmy the motherfargin GAWD
bigger hit:
that homer or game 4 winner in the 2009 nlcs?
The horse collar tackle I'm gonna put on you
do you love jimmy more than 5
Randy Wolf sighting in the Marlins bullpen.
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2014, 09:09:55 PM
do you love jimmy more than 5
More than your tranny hooker.
MAAAyberry gets the hit off HAAAnd to knock in two. 6-3.
Of course, that means the vaunted Phils bullpen goes three innings. :paranoid
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 20, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 20, 2014, 09:09:55 PM
do you love jimmy more than 5
More than your tranny hooker.
impossible
marlins crew slamming redmond for his impossibly stupid move of intentionally walking tony gwynn jr. even if sandberg keeps burnett in the game its still retarded. but mayberry can hit lefties, i suppose.
i could imagine tmac weaseling his way through that.
My only guess is that Redmond was trying to force Burnett out of the game, which he did. But you are correct - retarded move on all levels. Especially since he didn't have a righty ready to pitch to MAAAyberry.
he must of thought they werent going to pull burnett....or simply forgot about AAAberry. lol and the marlins crew is still harping on it. no one watches their games so what the hell, go crazy.
burnett slammed his bat in the rack (saw that on tv) and twitter said he threw a water cooler or something. not happy. but i dont blame ryno. had to make the move there. burnett did not have good stuff.
I would have been surprised if Sandberg hadn't made the move. Had to there, especially with the team (last three games notwithstanding, I guess) often struggling to score runs. And, like you said, Burnett wasn't exactly mowing them down.
PH'ing for Burnett was the right move. That clown can be pissed all he wants. Throw strikes, meat.
lol at Redmond trying to imitate the great Lou Piniella
And yes...Jimmy is way ahead of Five
The team MA's are doing well.
AAAsche (his E-5 outburst notwithstanding) is hitting and Diekman is throwing well.
Whoops, forgot that the Phils were batting in the top half. Bullpen has to go four innings, not three.
Deserves an extra :paranoid :paranoid
Mike Adams looks like an alien.
Can't trust a Texas A&M Aggie....
Adams is gonna blow this.
And this umpire can farg himself too
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
Mike Adams looks like an alien.
He certainly pitches like E.T.
Adams is a farging bum. Another great Amaro signing
He managed to get out of the inning!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/BEUndertaker/stooges.gif)
The Stooges! Absolute loooooove the stooges!
Byrd....have victor conte inject you right quick before this AB
Nice job fargfaces
Alright Papsmear are you sure you're ok to pitch?
Looked more like Byrd was injected with Conte's sperm.
And Asche swung like a rusty gate.
Time for Papsmear to "do the douche."
Any doubt Paps implodes?
Well...6-5 now
Runner on third
Whew
The 'Smear gets out of it with the save.
Cliff to the DL
Somewhere in south Texas lil guy cheers
are you kidding? this is an absolute disaster for their rebuilding chances
he needs to get back and pitch well by mid june if they can think of getting anything for him at the deadline. this can easily turn into halladay II where they get absolutely nothing before someone turns into damaged goods.
He's gonna be fine, Nancy.
really? the 36 year old with the elbow strain is going to be A okay?
are you really from philly.
He'll be fine...you're more alarmist and negative than your home boy Cataldi
i have seen this movie 10000 times and i know how it ends
With a Phillies playoff berth?
I agree!
SD is to Climate Change as Phreak is to Phillies Change.
cept J aint playin
Ride or die, bitches
Amaro is your Pat Sajak.
Ruiz and Choke and Byrd babyyyyy
2-0
lol - and then pos kendrick gives one right back.
this team is just awful to watch.
Mds' boy Kendrick is giving it right back.
Double...walk...single
2-1
He still cannot put people away with 0-2 pitches
make that gave both back.
suck. suck. suck. suck. suck.
Kyle Kensuck amirite?!
so kendrick sucks but juan pierre (or ben revere) is awesome?
Whatever. We're one day closer to Amaro getting tossed out on his ass. If it takes a year-long beating to get there, I'm good.
Why in the blue farg is Chooch bunting there? Seriously. This team.
What does Kendrick sucking a fat hog have to do with Revere?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2014, 08:04:36 PM
What does Kendrick sucking a fat hog have to do with Revere?
kendrick doesnt suck, revere does
kk is solid major league pitcher. hes not an all star, hes not going to get cy young votes, but he can get people out enough to warrant the ball every 5th day.
they both suck.
lol @ the 27 heat fans in that place watching this. christ.
Kendrick has been shtein this year dude.
1 earned over 7
4 over 5
2 over 6
3 over 7
2 over 5.2
3 over 7
4 over 5.1
3 over 7
thats not what i would call "shtein." again...people think because kk isnt cliff lee hes not good, but he is a solid capable bottom of the rotation pitcher. i dont see why this is so hard to accept.
lol at this buffoon swinging there.
Go ahead and add two zesty ABs tonight to that hit list there buddy.
farging clowns baseball iq is equal to a goddamn slug
Oh look! Phillies pitching is about to demonstrate their inability to have a shut down inning again
im utterly confused at the kendrick vitriol
He's not been good this year. This cannot be that confusing
Look at this inning right here. And the first inning too. And his two zesty ABs
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2014, 08:41:21 PM
He's not been good this year. This cannot be that confusing
Look at this inning right here. And the first inning too. And his two zesty ABs
his era was under 4.00 before tonight...thats pretty solid. if you dont think kendrick is "good" then you also dont think 50% of the starters in baseball are "good" because kendrick even at his worst is in the top 70 starters in the bigs.
but sure hes been terrible tonight. and has had 2 bat at bats as if that matters when evaluating a pitcher.
It matters when evaluating a player. You're a pitcher...get the farging bunt down.
What are his first inning numbers? Hint...awful
cliff blew a 4-0 lead in game 2 of the nlds in 2011...he sucks, too. right?
clayton kershaw just got lit up in his last start. he sucks.
it was 45 degrees last week in chicago. global warming doesnt exist.
Mike Stanton go farg your mother pal
Well then.... After mds boy Kendrick shteins himself Manship comes in and turns it into a disaster zone
Nice two out grand slam jerkoff
so just to clear this up
3/5ths of their rotation "sucks," but they will still win the world series?
Dallas Dom hit a homer!
If Manship didn't suck it'd be a one run game
And I said Kendrick has been bad this year. He's got time to smarten up and get back to being a good pitcher
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2014, 10:11:10 PMAnd I said Kendrick has been bad this year. He's got time to smarten up and get back to being a good pitcher
he hasnt and hes not.
kendrick has been kendrick this year. hes always kendrick. hes never not kendrick. hes not cliff lee. hes not david buchanan. hes kyle kendrick.
luis garcia with a legendary stat line tonight. such is life when you 1) suck and 2) dont pitch in 2 weeks.
1p, 3h, 4er, 4bb, 2k
bowa was screaming at infielders asking if they could pitch. the phillies, everyone.
You're hardheaded
I know he's Kendrick...but he's been zesty.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2014, 10:48:51 PM
You're hardheaded
I know he's Kendrick...but he's been zesty.
by what measure?
before tonight he had the 69th best whip out of 110 qualified starters. that of course ignores the 40ish other unqualified starters, who are mostly unqualified because they arent good enough to warrant innings to qualify.
so lets say there are 15 starters that are injured but better than kendrick. so hes 69th out of 135ish. average. hes average. maybe a little below. hes kyle kendrick!!
And he pitched like shtein tonight!
stop arguing with him. everyone on earth including kendrick himself knows he farging sucks.
let me try to break this down as slowly as i can
1. kendrick doesnt suck
2. david buchanan sucks
3. kendrick is average to mediocre
4. most bottom of the rotation starters (kendrick) are average to mediocre
5. every team has 1-3 kendrick's to fill out their rotation.
phillies fans arent the smartest folks around. like most fans they get riled up about things that arent that big a deal like 4th starters, the closer and the oafish black guy who strikes out a lot.
there's the blink.
its cool brown just strut to 1st.. because your good enough to do that.
yeah you too revere. just take your time and don't pay attention to the play. your good enough to give up outs.
blinked again. only a matter of time to give up a bomb when you've been pitching in the middle of the plate all day. was just lucky it was against the marlins.. until that last nice groove down the middle. guess i'll go finish working on the chicken coop.
Quote from: LBIggle on May 22, 2014, 02:21:47 PM
there's the blink.
that was such the classic heidi homer
one of the worst spots for a bunt i have seen as of late
revere lead off single...gwynn bunts first pitch, doesnt let a base stealer try to take 2nd. base open, chishek surprisingly goes after jimmy who is lost and strikes out on 3 pitches. then its wil neives time, inning over.
just a thoughtless, moronic plan by sandberg.
Nice loss today, guys. Bang up farging job.
Down 2-0 already to kershaw.
Dee Gordon singled stole second and stole third and scored and then Crawford went yard
Phillies have reached bottom feeder status in attendance. They've begun the post game concert nonsense to draw crowds. It didn't work. Stadium is empty.
They're paying some German to play that hideous EDM music
Infuriating
Depressing
farg off
Loaded with no outs
Dallas Dom smokes one to left. Line drive. Revere is inexplicably halfway down the line and doesn't tag up.
Jimmy grounds into FC - runner out at home
Ruiz flies out
THEY SCORED NO GODDAMN MOTHERfargING RUNS AGAIN. farg!
Worst loss of the year.
Go farg your no fundamental having selves right in the icehole, Phillies
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2014, 11:04:54 PM
Worst loss of the year.
please stop....we all are beggin you
Never.
todd make it stop
Haha...
Btw Sandberg defended that clown Revere and his dipshtein base running
you defend the team every second of every day
I may or may not have a problem.
i compared him earlier to johnny weeks...even bubs got off the stuff at some point. hamsterdam was johnny's breaking point. clearly a re-imaging of the 1998 phillies hasnt done shtein to change J.
anyway i was thinking of the july deadline and check out the lowest ranked teams in terms of ops by a 2b: http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/80/sort/OPS/order/true
san fran and atlanta make sense for utley. even oakland. with texas a disaster the a's can take the al west. utley is the kind of bat that could put them over the top, but will king billy pull the trigger?
i love J to death but hes a full fleged troll
on the life of david simon it is not an act....hes incapable of accepting the reality of the situation.
Quote from: MDS on May 24, 2014, 02:45:19 AM
on the life of david simon it is not an act
you sure?
I don't believe it
positive
in fact im willing to bet J was losing it in 1998 when kevin sefcik struck out with the bases loaded.
lol
im trying to come up a list of players to be excited about for the 2nd half of this year and 2015 and this is what i have
franco
asche
biddle
giles
and im not even excited about asche. this is gonna be baaaaaaaaaaaaad
lol @ giles
hes the classic minor league phenom who will crash and burn when brought up
biddle farging blows
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2014, 03:02:49 AM
lol @ giles
hes the classic minor league phenom who will crash and burn when brought up
biddle farging blows
pretty much...its a horrible list but its literally all they have. now that pettibone is hurt 100% of lehigh's rotation is castoff journeymen. thats despicable. outside of biddle (who cant throw strikes) they have nothing at AA.
its gonna be interesting to see how much rube sells off. because really: jimmy, utley, choke, ruiz, byrd, lee, burnett, kendrick, hamels, hernandez, papelbon and adams should all go.
not all of them will (jimmy's 10/5, hamels probably not), but this could be an epic firesale.
how much faith do you have in a sell off??
I have negative 98
i dont believe for a second roob will do an epic firesale, but i do believe he will start moving some parts around. hes said as much before the season...if he wont play well well change gears at the deadline, etc. he was fielding calls about people last year and this offseason. they begged people to take papelbon.
lee, burnett, papelbon and adams are the likely candidates to go. i dont see him moving utley or ruiz or being able to move choke. utley could get them a good amount--friendly contract and hes playing out of his mind
Utley has 10/5 rights and even if he didn't, last year's contract had a full no-trade clause. He's as likely to be traded as Jimmy.
It going to be a(nother) long, dark time in Phillies history.
How bad is Ruben Amaro? BRING BACK ED WADE!
He's already back, big guy.
Quote from: MDS on May 24, 2014, 02:52:51 AM
positive
in fact im willing to bet J was losing it in 1998 when kevin sefcik struck out with the bases loaded.
Goddamn right I was
How many broken remote controls on you, J?
I think I have a dozen or so over the years... farging Phillies... farging Eagles... farging Flyers.
ive never broken one but I did toss one in the pond behind my house....and it wasn't even for a loss....it was because my dvr farged up and didn't record the game
After I busted two a couple years ago I stopped launching them. I got tired of calling DTV for a new one. Now I just bitch and moan and wish STDs and unemployment on various players and executives.
now you just root them all in and if they don't make it we'll get em next year homer
Aka being a fan
I guess I was raised wrong then
I dont know about yall but I dont get made when the retard crashes the car. Why'd I give him the keys in the first place? What was he gonna do?
Or you can scream and yell and hope the retard randomly learns how to become a great driver, or that Ben Revere can learn how to become a competent baseball player. Either or.
I'm an emotional fan and I want to see them win. Good or bad or whatever I want to see good baseball. I don't care if they're expected to suck and I don't resign myself to accepting that and approaching it with an indifferent attitude.
farg that.
Eskin and Papelbon got into an argument near the dugout and had to be restrained
Haha no way.
Eskin trying to stay relevant in the news I see.
He was tweeting about Paps and his wife being out with the Ellsburys in NYC the night before he refused to pitch. And she called him out
Somebody has a gun to your head and says you have to save one of Eskin or Paps...which one do you chose?
Paps.
Tough choice though.
Capitalizing on errors? Hitting with runners on? Young pitcher dealing?
Wow.
Ruiz threw some dumbfargery in there to keep us honest tho
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 02:18:30 PM
I'm an emotional fan and I want to see them win. Good or bad or whatever I want to see good baseball. I don't care if they're expected to suck and I don't resign myself to accepting that and approaching it with an indifferent attitude.
farg that.
This exactly. 100% agree.
you two nerds can cheer on david buchanan in september when theyre 85 games out of a playoff spot and hitting marlon byrd 3rd.
the rest of us living on planet reality will be attempting to goad you into bets that you wont do :(
can someone translate this into homer for me?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20140525_Inside_the_Phillies__Pitching-thin_Phillies_look_to_draft.html
They're getting no hit.
Thru 5 so far
And now thru 6
Booooooooo
Another defensive lapse allowing Puig to take second on a single to left
After Choke misplayed a ball
5-0 now
Still being no hit
Disgusting
Seven innings!
Eight innings!!
Dallas Dom is now about to drop under .200
Goddamn disgusting losers.
Yep.
Completely embarrassing
not really...teams get no hit all the time. good teams in fact. the rays i think were perfect gamed or no hit for like 3 years in a row and they made the playoffs most of those years. it happens, its one game.
the phillies completely suck with or without being no hit and are shutout in like 40% of their games. this isnt really surprising or that big of a deal. a bad team lost another game. whoopie.
I was actually surprised to read that the Phils hadn't been no hit in over 30 years.
It's actually good for the Phillies that the game was a no-hitter. It makes everyone focus on how good Beckett was instead of how inept and stupid the Phillies were in every phase of the game. Sloppy as hell.
I didn't watch a second of it. I was looking at my phone during the movies previews and noticed they were being zipped in the 8th.
I really am sick of this team in its entirety. The whole thing needs to be blown up. Thanks for the memories, now GTFO.
Quote from: Rome on May 25, 2014, 07:36:05 PMI really am sick of this team in its entirety. The whole thing needs to be blown up. Thanks for the memories, now GTFO.
finally
if rome can come off the homer train and recognize reality, anyone can.
I've known it all along. The difference is I can still celebrate when they win and be disgusted when they get embarrassed like they did today.
They're still 3 games in the loss column better than the World Series champs! [/homer]
Oh, really?
Quote from: Rome on March 28, 2014, 07:35:23 PM
If these plow horses win 81 games I will personally be indifferent.
What they're wearing today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BolRSUSCAAAma_m.jpg)
I wish they'd bring back the blue Stars and Stripes hat so I can buy another one
Been raining here all day. As soon as the ballgame starts the heavy storms start and my satellite is frozen.
shtein
You haven't missed much. Both teams stink, but ours is winning 2-0
Got it back up and running and saw the Revere play and the Choke bomb
The Phillies yesterday:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/geowhizzer/Whiff.gif)
The Phillies today:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/geowhizzer/gashousegorillas.gif)
The Phillies tomorrow?
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/geowhizzer/BaseballBugs2.gif)
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/05/phillies-catcher-carlos-ruiz-helped-rescue-his-childhood-friends-after-their-boat-capsized
im too lazy to link it but if anyone wants to get irrationally angry read the comments on phils facebook page post for this win
disgusting fanbase
Post some examples, buddy...lets see Angry Todd
Why
yup
Bases loaded no outs?
Zero runs.
Next inning the Rockies score
Motherfarging goddamn Hamels
Holyyyyy farginggggg shteinttttt
Revere home run!!!
:o
http://m.phillies.mlb.com/video/v33220827/colphi-revere-cranks-his-first-career-home-run
Jeff Manshtein
What a bum
MAAAyberry too. Nice catch, cock
does anyone honestly care anymore....just counting heads here.
Aaaaaaahhhhhhh.................No.
The reaction to Revere's dinger was funny. Not as funny as the 25 million a year "Ace" coughing up another game, but still... funny.
big ben's homer erased the one small reason to watch this year
loved the 7th inning heidi melt again last night
MAG was shut down again. "Dead arm"
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 28, 2014, 11:27:07 AM
MAG was shut down again. "Dead arm"
what do they expect from a 50yr old pitcher ?
Quote from: Rome on May 28, 2014, 05:49:04 AM
The reaction to Revere's dinger was funny. Not as funny as the 25 million a year "Ace" coughing up another game, but still... funny.
kendrick stinks
jimmy the gawds 2000th game tonight....two man club now with michael jack
congrats!
he only acknowledges the public when they win, so look out for a comment in 2 and a half weeks
When does firing Amaro happen? :poison :poison :poison
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 07:15:36 AM
big ben's homer erased the one small reason to watch this year
loved the 7th inning heidi melt again last night
Heidi meltdowns are always worth watching! I'm really missing Doc's heat strokes myself.
Jimmy's defensive play last night was beautiful. I think after he threw the runner out he gave mds the finger
pretty sure he cares less than me about this pos team
hes in it for the records and im not even paying attention. not sure how you dont see the absolute lack of interest this team collectively has. they know they suck and they dont care. nobody is going to these games. apathy. hello.
You're acting like the emo/hipsters with how much you about out how apathetic you are towards them.
Do you wear all black? Or have those weird huge holes in your ears?
they are the worst kind of pro sports team....a pos team with no young talent
be the sixers or be the eagles and ill be interested.....shtein even the nhl allows a chance for the flyers to make a run
phillies are just as unwatchable as it gets
no but i watch other baseball teams play with passion and then i watch the phillies play like theyre at a funeral
seriously watch a giants game....then watch a phillies games. one team likes playing baseball, the other couldnt care less.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 07:20:36 PMphillies are just as unwatchable as it gets
yup
they have a grand total of 2 prospects in AAA. one is a relief pitcher. the other a 3rd basemen hitting .230. exciting times.
You two are depressing SOBs
They care so little they collectively post 90% of the posts in here.
Just ignore them and talk Phils baseball, Jay. Be happy when they win and be disgusted when they lose. It's what everyone does who isn't interested in out-douching each other on the internet.
were you guys happy when they won this game?
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1999/B05290PHI1999.htm
Quote from: Rome on May 28, 2014, 07:46:03 PM
be disgusted when they lose.
lol....no
faux anger when they lose and trolling when they win is not a good look
holy farg....
"Entering tonight, HOF Brown's .582 OPS as a left fielder would be the fifth lowest out of 558 qualifying left fielders in MLB from 1990-2014."
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
"Entering tonight, HOF Brown's .582 OPS as a left fielder would be the fifth lowest out of 558 qualifying left fielders in MLB from 1990-2014."
At least he makes up for it with defense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 28, 2014, 08:10:15 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 28, 2014, 07:46:03 PM
be disgusted when they lose.
lol....no
faux anger when they lose and trolling when they win is not a good look
i remember when i was 10 and they won and i thought it was awesome. then i grew up.
My outrage isn't ever fake nor is my excitement when they win. Me and Romey are like the guys in Major League...the only fans sitting in the outfield beating on the goddamn drum
Quote from: MDS on May 28, 2014, 07:48:19 PM
were you guys happy when they won this game?
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1999/B05290PHI1999.htm
Schilling was masterful.
3.5 hours in and the game is finally in the 9th. they cant even lose quickly and just get this shtein over with.
And Bobby A was the offense. Good pull Todd
Colorado doing everything they can to give the game away.
Time for Choke to strike out with the winning run on third.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 28, 2014, 10:51:11 PM
Time for Choke to strike out with the winning run on third.
Ha!
old school choke
its been 4 years since he did that, i think
revere's dance thing when coming home was an abomination and he should be murdered
See what happens when you name your kid Boone? He gives up a homer to Revere and then blows the game.
Five against The Mess.
Legggggooooooo 5-0
Quote from: MDS on May 28, 2014, 10:56:09 PM
old school choke
its been 4 years since he did that, i think
july 2010 vs. the reds
i cant remember what i did last week but i do remember phillies things
Very good Todd. People actually in the stands.
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100709&content_id=12116736&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100709&content_id=12116736&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)
Mds' boy Cesar is a farging retard
Nice shtein defense son
he started playing 3B last week
but by all means...run him out there and assume hell be flawless
farging kid looks like he just graduated from 8th grade.
Stop making excuses Todd!
the actual excuse is "this team stinks" but whatever
15 K's! HA! Old, young, bad bullpen, this team just stinks.
They'll win four in a row.
Bank it.
Hell is not ready to freeze over quite yet.
Motion to change the thread title to "There's always 5 years from now"
i would be thrilled if they were good in five years...but with the age and contracts they have now and no farm i think five years from now is a rebuilding year....my hope and i would be fine with it is that in five years they are where the astros are now
yesterday was the 3rd time ever that phillie batters struck out 15+ times without drawing a walk.....last time was 9/17/84 also vs mets
Maybe five years after Amaro is fired and the house is cleaned out.
im optimistic amaro will be fired this year. attendance is horrible, the product is horrible, season ticket renewals will be even lower in 2015 unless they do SOMETHING. thats what forced monty's hand to fire ed wade (who is actually far more competent than amaro).
regardless, its going to take a long time to turn this around. the process can be quickened by successful fire sale trades this year and next year. given amaro's terrific history of trading for prospects, i do not have high hopes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 30, 2014, 09:58:37 AM
yesterday was the 3rd time ever that phillie batters struck out 15+ times without drawing a walk.....last time was 9/17/84 also vs mets
Had to be a Doc start
you are correct sir
wanna know why they arent gonna be good for a long long time....
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2014/05/30/last-10-drafts-havent-delivered-for-phillies/
They deserve that. They farged Arbuckle in the ass when they hired Amaro and he bolted.
Now they have junky scouts
I don't seem to recall Burnett (well he did during his no hitter) being a guy who walked a lot of guys.
He's a bb issuing motherfarger this year
Ha - a Von Brown appearance!
Bobby A two run double.
Mets back up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2014, 07:29:31 PM
They deserve that. They farged Arbuckle in the ass when they hired Amaro and he bolted.
Now they have junky scouts
ive been saying this for years and people always hated on me but something that is so funny to me is how these homer phillie fans always like to credit the front office for all the prospects they traded away who never became anything...well duh idiots who do you think drafted these scrubs they traded away
its why I also laugh at everyone who thinks the astros robbed the phillies of singleton and cosart...and lol at domingo santana
I know we've said this a thousand times but I love the Mets crew.
Such a breath of fresh air to listen to. Not homeriffic...not biased...straight baseball talk, stories and jokes
Brignac trying to hit a three-run homer when all he needs is a single.
Choke is a robust 0-7
Went down looking on a farging meatball
Better warm up, Jay. You may be pitching next.
Good because I'm better than Manship!
Come on, Chooch!
Byrd on third, no one out. Chances of scoring the winning run? I'd say about 5%.
Now Brignac trying to hit the granny. It's more like he hits like his granny. :-D
:-D Ha - he got a hold of one.
He saved us from Manship!
Thanks Chris Young!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2014, 07:29:31 PM
They deserve that. They farged Arbuckle in the ass when they hired Amaro and he bolted.
Now they have junky scouts
baseball scouting in an inexact science...people thought mike trout would be good, but not this good. some of it is blind luck, or chance. some of it is on the player and not at all on the team.
but a large part of talent is developing it. the cardinals dont draft significantly better than the phillies. its a crapshoot for them like it is for everyone else. they develop their talent superbly. the phillies do not.
yes the scouts missed on 1st round picks over the past decade. but the minor league coaches also and the organization itself hasnt been able to produce quality players.
The college talent vs high school talent is telling, though.
The Phillies are trying to hit on these high school kids because they believe they'll get more years out of them and they just don't.
Quote from: MDS on May 31, 2014, 01:56:28 AM
baseball scouting in an inexact science...people thought mike trout would be good, but not this good.
This was around the time I started following the draft and minors as a whole really closely - I remember nobody was all that sure about him since he's from Jersey. Position players from the North rarely get looks since they can only be scouted a couple months out of the year. One of the Angels' scouts was obsessed w/ Trout as he had played with Mike's father in professional ball at some point, and they had Trout #2 on their board behind Strasburg that year. On a nerdy baseball site I remember they had published this guy's scouting report on Trout at the time of the draft and he had written something down like "best player on the planet".
Todd's boy Kendrick having a Kendrickian first inning again today
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 31, 2014, 03:22:09 PM
Todd's boy Kendrick having a Kendrickian first inning again today
they stink get over it
the mets are way better
No.
Choke!
I cant imagine theres a worse booth in pro sports than the Phillies crew
Let's have this conversation for the millionth farging time.
this is their first year
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 31, 2014, 06:14:41 PM
this is their first year
lol
romey would love to have the conversation about chip kelly being a genius for the 10000th time, though. go birds!
a lot of people cant form sentences....matt stairs cant form words
does romey hate religion more than he loves chip?
Please tell me you guys saw the b8th
Revere triples with one out
Infield in
Jimmy grounds to second and Murphy bobbles. Revere not running on contact so he stays put. He's a farging idiot on the bases.
Two outs
Utley walks
Choke comes up so they shift. Utley is shown numerous times telling Revere to get a bigger lead. Ben ain't listening.
Choke strikes out
Revere gets pissed at Utley for showing him up.
Ron Darlings response? " you know what? Some of these guys NEED to be shown up"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 31, 2014, 06:35:30 PM
Please tell me you guys saw the last two years and the next five
yeah we did
did you?
Byrd and HOF!!!
Havas I was talking about the Utley and Revere spat mostly
farg that cracker
MAN
MAN
MAN
MAN
the bank looks so gorgeous right now
I would give a limb to be there right now
SHIP
SHIP
SHIP
SHIP
MAN
MAN
MAN
SHIP
SHIP
SHIP
has there ever been a better tallest midget series j?
MAN
MAN
MAN
SHIP
SHIP
SHIP
!!
This is like that clown Danys Baez doin his extra innings thing a couple years ago
Brain Dead Ben strikes again!
THE MANSHIP HAS RUN AGROUND! Oh no!
He pulled a hammy trying to leg out a grounder.
Tony B on the hill throwing like he's paid per ball
yeah but his performance imo points to great things for this team
ball game
The Latin Arsonist strikes again.
Garbage ass motherfarger
are they still a division winning team j?
In this division? They have a shot
shut up and get your rally caps on.
Ben Revere's game is shtein. Steaming hot shtein
GRIT GRIT GRIT
Two men on, none out and they blow it.
This season can't end soon enough.
farg these clowns. The inability to execute basic fundamentals kills me
shut up, nerds
anyway mike adams was evidently following the high school baseball game i was at today. it involved the school he graduate from, sinton. they won. he got an on-air shout out from the radio guys during the 14th inning. he texted one of them to let them know he was listening, or in the least paying attention.
when is training camp.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BokrfxMCIAEtAir.jpg)
the bottom of the order today is straight outta lehigh
need a WIN for jon neise. you heard me, he needs a WIN. go pitching decisions.
Settle down buddy
We got Aumont back!
Sacre bleu!
hiccup!
cant believe the hydro got out of that.....kudos
I'm repeating myself here
But I hate sloppy fundamentals
This is the dumbest goddamn team in the league
need this jimenez to blow up....papa needs a neise WIN.
i have neise as well but forgot to start him
Because lil guy bemoans wins I hope niese doesn't get it. You deserve zero win love buddy
these two teams are so bad....neither wants to win any game....gonna go extras again
They are evenly matched, I'll say that. Could be a tie for last place in the NL East this year.
Centerpiece of the Cliff Lee deal
Aumont paying dividends immediately.
Walk and a two run homer
Ballgame
i was hoping for three straight 14 inning games.....that would have been a first for sure
cant wait for wip tomorrow....all ken giles all the time
They already have five games of 11 or more against the Mets.
Gotta play em again tomorrow. Hopefully both sides have some pitchers left.
Quote from: SD on June 01, 2014, 04:55:08 PM
Centerpiece of the Cliff Lee deal
Comforting.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 01, 2014, 05:12:14 PM
cant wait for wip tomorrow....all ken giles all the time
isnt ruin supposed to be on the show on monday's?
p.s. franco with an 0-4 yesterday. hitting a crisp .234. the phillies.
And the walk to one of the guys they traded away for Doc was the difference in the ballgame.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 01, 2014, 05:16:07 PM
They already have five games of 11 or more against the Mets.
Gotta play em again tomorrow. Hopefully both sides have some pitchers left.
Maybe they've both run out of pitchers and do us all a favor and cancell the game.
Garland them with timeless lilies!
Although they are a bunch of dillies
Who give honest men the willies-
We still love them for their sillies-
Hail, The Phillies.
- James Michener
And you guys mock me for watching soccer.
farg you. Just by refusing to watch this retard gang bang anymore, I win even if I don't.
Quote from: MDS on June 01, 2014, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 01, 2014, 05:12:14 PM
cant wait for wip tomorrow....all ken giles all the time
isnt ruin supposed to be on the show on monday's?
yup
after aumont today its going to be ON
Not that any of you need an excuse...
(http://images.teespring.com/shirt_pic/911052/157271/front.jpg?v=2014-05-28-00-49)
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 01, 2014, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 01, 2014, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 01, 2014, 05:12:14 PM
cant wait for wip tomorrow....all ken giles all the time
isnt ruin supposed to be on the show on monday's?
yup
after aumont today its going to be ON
angelo is usually a Hoyda to people SU...hell whine behind their backs. but to roob hes gonna ask some basic why not ken giles question and thats it
i doubt hes gonna hammer roob. he hasnt yet and for gods sakes hes the worst gm in baseball.
he wont kill him like he would if he wasn't interviewing him......that's unrealistic and no one does that
but he will get into him hard
54 in 55 update:
number of players put on dl during that stretch -- 4
choke homers -- 4
ben revere starts -- 11
numbers of wins -- 5
number of games they will be back of 1st at the end of it -- 6
homer j's guesses:
Zero (wrong)
10 (low!)
44 (sadly on pace)
27 (lol)
IN FIRST BITCH (lololololol)
He actually guessed 37 wins, 27 was a typo. Big 32-9 stretch coming up I guess.
They are projected for 72 wins right now... one worse than last year. That sounds about right. The team should be completely blown up, but it won't really achieve anything due to the fact that pretty much every player better than replacement level has a trade-unfriendly contract. It will be up to the new GM to start from absolute zero next offseason. With the right moves they could be back in the playoffs by the end of the decade.
2019 is really pushing it
they would need to hit on lee and utley trades (likely to be made by ruin, if made at all) and need franco, giles and biddle to be really good (which they are not). otherwise all their "talent" is in lakewood or injured, regardless about 4-5 years away from even becoming competent major leaguers, if they get there.
im a pessimistic person by nature by i get the feeling this is lasting well into the next decade.
6 hits, 1 run off a dugong. Nice work boys.
Time to watch the Phils blow this two-on, no-out situation with the meat of their order coming to bat.
More bullshtein tonight.
Brignac being sent by Mackanin was dumb.
Offense stinks. Grit and Choke failed in the 8th
And now Diekman is gonna let them blow it wide open
And they're last in the league with only 7 sac flies
Hahahahahahahahahahah
Aumont gives a granny to Wilmer Flores.
11-2
I'm done. That's it. This game has been my final straw
Honestly, is there no one they can bring up that is better than Diekman? The guy is the worst pitcher on the planet. Aumont being a close second. You can't get any lower than those two.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2014, 10:04:26 PM
More bullshtein tonight.
Brignac being sent by Mackanin was dumb.
Offense stinks. Grit and Choke failed in the 8th
And now Diekman is gonna let them blow it wide open
Even with the excuse that this is one of the worst lineup/bench/bullpen in the big leagues, very disappointed in Sandberg & Co.
Aumont is a farging waste of space.
He shouldn't even be in the independent league.
24-31 and I'm done. Get back to .500 and let's talk. But I doubt it.
May 4th they were above .500 and a game and a half out. Worst record in the bigs since.
Lazy corksucking losers
ben revere has the lowest walk percentage in baseball, among qualified batters. he bats leadoff.
carloz ruiz is 10th in baseball in obp. he hits 6th or 7th.
hof brown has the 5th-lowest ops in baseball (slightly ahead of nate scheerholtz. SCORE ONE FOR ROOB!)
the. phillies. suck. its not about effort, its not about working harder or giving more of a shtein. they just suck.
Vorp
HOF's the biggest liability on the team this season and that's saying a lot. He farging sucks.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
I'm done. That's it. This game has been my final straw
lol...like 72 hours ago you were still saying playoffs were possible
Long weekend in Philly falls one inning short of record
The Mets completed their five-game series at Philadelphia with an 11-2 victory over the Phillies and this time they needed only nine innings to complete the win. But with the three middle games of the series lasting 14, 14, and 11 innings, the teams fell one short of the all-time major-league for most innings in a series of five games.
The Yankees and Tigers played a total of 58 innings over five games in June 1962, including a 22-inning Sunday marathon. The only other five-game series to span 57 innings was played by the Pirates at Chicago and it was so long ago - June 1916, if you're wondering - that the stadium we now call Wrigley Field was known as Weeghman Park.
season saved....Jason Marquis signed
Another scrub to serve up slopballing batting practice
He's not dead?
aumont down and still no giles (martin)
Like you'll see Giles pitching for this slop. These cheapskates aren't going to let his clock start running this season.
Quote from: MDS on June 03, 2014, 12:22:13 AM
ben revere has the lowest walk percentage in baseball, among qualified batters. he bats leadoff.
He'll be batting 8th today.
Of those 57 innings against the Mets, two of them ended with the Phillies in the lead.
Sandberg called a team meeting and Bowa went in on them on the radio today
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2014, 07:26:05 PM
Sandberg called a team meeting and Bowa went in on them on the radio today
Whew. Problems solved.
Hearing Bowa go off today on Bruno's show was pure ecstasy. Won't do any good do to the quality of players they have on the team but it was still nice to hear him call some of these clowns out.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 03, 2014, 07:42:26 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2014, 07:26:05 PM
Sandberg called a team meeting
Whew. Problems solved.
Yeah, those team meeting things always work things out. Didn't Cholly hold those weekly his last two seasons?
It worked!
Yeah right...losing 3-0
7-0
this is why i drafted jordan zimmermann in fantasy this year....4 or 5 more starts coming vs. this AAA team.
Time for another meeting.
Missed it, thankfully.
Geo, you may want to make that a habit this summer.
clearwater is 12-45
maikel franco now hitting .229
jon singleton homered in his big league debut tonight
ruben amaro is still alive
One year ago today (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/36663/domonic-brown-is-the-greatest-slugger-ever)
QuoteIf Brown keeps hitting home runs, he'll start seeing more pitches out of the strike zone. That in itself could lead to more walks. Sometimes the "sabermetric" approach isn't really about an approach but earning respect from pitchers. Maybe that will happen with Brown; or maybe he just had a Ty Wigginton-like fluke month.
I laughed for an hour.
they had a shot
until they quit and shtein all over themselves
farg these gutless bums
they havent had a shot for at least two years....but glad to see you have finally come around
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 04, 2014, 09:11:15 AM
they havent had a shot for at least two years....but glad to see you have finally come around
it doesnt matter how he got there....hes there. progress has been made.
over two months into the season the phillies have 471 hits and 462 strikeouts
but they had a chance
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11026295/hall-famer-mike-schmidt-says-philadelphia-phillies-shortstop-jimmy-rollins-belongs-cooperstown
I hope Schmidt's comments spring board Rollins to the HOF. Compared to other SS he's definitely worthy. Add in a league MVP and World Series championship and he should get in.
Jimmy is indeed a HOF. Someone should get Schmidt on WIP to repeat that and stick it up Cataldi's
Jimmy and Chase are both borderline. 2-3 more good years (I know that's unlikely) from each would help their cases immensely.
Quote from: SD on June 04, 2014, 05:28:39 PMCompared to other SS he's definitely worthy.
What other shortstops? The only modern shortstops who are in the HOF are Cal Ripkin, Barry Larkin, and Ozzie Smith. Jeter will be in.
If Jimmy's career is comparable to those careers when he hangs 'em up, he'll have a shot at the Hall of Fame. If not, he won't.
Sorry to say this, but spoiler alert: he won't.
rollins is not a hall of famer.
the others are. he's like vizquel or trammell. very good but not cooperstown material.
sorry homers.
Omar Vizquel has like 30 Gold Gloves. He absolutely should be in the Hall.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 04, 2014, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: SD on June 04, 2014, 05:28:39 PMCompared to other SS he's definitely worthy.
What other shortstops? The only modern shortstops who are in the HOF are Cal Ripkin, Barry Larkin, and Ozzie Smith. Jeter will be in.
If Jimmy's career is comparable to those careers when he hangs 'em up, he'll have a shot at the Hall of Fame. If not, he won't.
Sorry to say this, but spoiler alert: he won't.
He'll finish with better offensive numbers (Hits/SB/HRs/RBIs) than Larkin and has one more Gold Glove. He'll also finish with better offensive #s than Smith, although Smith has an insane amount of Gold Gloves. Larkin and Rollins actually favor comparably considering their statistics and defensive #s are similar, plus they both won an MVP and a World Series.
Rollins "better than Larkin" offensive stats are because he already has more at-bats than Larkin. Larkin crushes him at batting average, on-base-percentage, OPS... pretty much everything not having to do with getting a lot of at-bats due to being a leadoff guy. And Jimmy might have one more Gold Glove... he can weigh that against Larkin's bajillion more All-Star years and Silver Sluggers if it's an award dick-measuring contest.
If you think Jimmy and Ozzie are comparable then he should be in the Hall of Fame... I just don't think you'll find many non-Phillie fans who will be convinced of that.
Larkin does show the way though... Jimmy needs to hang around for quite a while more and be good (preferably 2004-2008 good) while doing so. If he's got five quality years left his chances are much improved.
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 04, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
Rollins "better than Larkin" offensive stats are because he already has more at-bats than Larkin. Larkin crushes him at batting average, on-base-percentage, OPS... pretty much everything not having to do with getting a lot of at-bats due to being a leadoff guy. And Jimmy might have one more Gold Glove... he can weigh that against Larkin's bajillion more All-Star years and Silver Sluggers if it's an award dick-measuring contest.
If you think Jimmy and Ozzie are comparable then he should be in the Hall of Fame... I just don't think you'll find many non-Phillie fans who will be convinced of that.
shtein it's hard enough to find Phillie fans who don't think he's Steve Jeltz II
Larkin was hurt a lot in his career but he was still dominant. His 1996 season was insane. He was a 30/30/30 guy that year.
Jimmy's 2007? Better.
i have higher standards for the hof than the hof actually does...based on who else is in jimmy should probably go
but in reality the hof should either be for the elite of the elite (not jimmy) or have tiers, in which jimmy would fit comfortably into the lower rung.
Since most of the players from earlier in Rollins' career were roidheads, he might have a shot to get in when he's done. They'll have to put someone in and no one has ever accused him of cheating.
He doesn't belong among the elite, though, and that's who should be in the Hall. My favorite all-time player is like Rollins and he's not in (Rock Raines). Rock belongs there before Jimmy does.
Shield your eyes, people who convulse whenever WAR is referenced. As a gauge from that side of things, here's the top 20 active position players in terms of career WAR:
1. Alex Rodriguez (20, 38) 116.0 R
2. Albert Pujols (14, 34) 94.5 R
3. Adrian Beltre (17, 35) 72.0 R
4. Derek Jeter (20, 40) 71.7 R
5. Carlos Beltran (17, 37) 67.8 B
6. Bobby Abreu (18, 40) 61.0 L
7. Chase Utley (12, 35) 60.0 L
8. Ichiro Suzuki (14, 40) 58.5 L
9. Miguel Cabrera (12, 31) 56.6 R
10. Jason Giambi (20, 43) 51.1 L
11. Torii Hunter (18, 38) 49.1 R
12. Mark Teixeira (12, 34) 48.3 B
13. David Wright (11, 31) 47.9 R
14. Miguel Tejada (16, 40) 47.1 R
15. Robinson Cano (10, 31) 46.4 L
16. David Ortiz (18, 38) 45.7 L
17. Joe Mauer (11, 31) 44.6 L
18. Jimmy Rollins (15, 35) 43.0 B
19. Matt Holliday (11, 34) 41.2 R
20. Dustin Pedroia (9, 30) 40.3 R
So who else is on the Torii Hunter HOF Train? :crazy
I count 4 dead bang HOF locks and A-Roid in that list.
Pujols, Jeter, Ichiro & Miggy.
The rest, noes.
4-0
Turned it off at 3-0. Better things to do than to watch this slop.
i think they lost again, or something
lol at ozzie smith being better than jimmy rollins
Ozzie Smith is the best defensive shortstop in the history of the game and their offensive totals other than HR's are almost identical.
Yep - clearly LOL-worthy.
Kinda early to be hippoing, no?
lol at their stats being equal....is this a joke...jimmy has 1000 less at bats and still has better numbers in most areas...and dominates in many
i dont think jimmy is a hall of famer....but theres no question he is a superior player to ozzie
ozzie was a slappy singles hitter with an all time glove who got way overrated cause of highlite reel plays and cartwheels in the field
every team in the division has a + run differential (only division in the majors that doesnt have at least two teams in the negative)
phillies are -52
lol
so considering jimmy's numbers are comparable to ripkien, larkins & smith. where's the debate again ? :sly
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2014, 07:02:07 AM
ozzie was a slappy singles hitter with an all time glove who got way overrated cause of highlite reel plays and cartwheels in the field
They were BACK FLIPS!!
Also, 4 k game for Jimmy.....1st in his career.
Quote from: smeags on June 05, 2014, 08:38:41 AM
so considering jimmy's numbers are comparable to ripkien, larkins & smith. where's the debate again ? :sly
They're not comparable to Ripken because he has over 3000 hits and 400 home runs. Plus the consecutive games streak. His numbers speak for themselves regardless of position. The other two players he's very comparable to.
also im not saying fielding doesnt count because it absolutely should but when talking gold glovers is there really that much of a difference
whats the difference bwtn the best fielder of all time and the 20th best...probably not much...ozzie was better than jimmy in the field no one would ever say otherwise...but lets be honest the gap was pretty small
Quote from: SD on June 05, 2014, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 05, 2014, 08:38:41 AM
so considering jimmy's numbers are comparable to ripkien, larkins & smith. where's the debate again ? :sly
They're not comparable to Ripken because he has over 3000 hits and 400 home runs. Plus the consecutive games streak. His numbers speak for themselves regardless of position. The other two players he's very comparable to.
you're right overall but by 162 game avgs jimmy is better in hits, doubles, triples, & runs. but yeah i know jimmy won't play 3000 plus games so he'll never come close to cal's totals but thought it was worth mentioning.
point being his offensive numbers are up there with the last few shortstops elected to the HOF minus of course ripken's freak total numbers.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/Brandon-Moss-says-he-is-living-proof-the-Phillies-are-an-inferior-organization-to-the-Athletics.html
nerd stats
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
also im not saying fielding doesnt count because it absolutely should but when talking gold glovers is there really that much of a difference
whats the difference bwtn the best fielder of all time and the 20th best...probably not much...ozzie was better than jimmy in the field no one would ever say otherwise...but lets be honest the gap was pretty small
Rollins has a better fielding % than Smith too.
For 140 years the job of a shortstop was defense. That's it. Catch the ball, start the double play, the end.
Ozzie was a horrendous hitter when he first hit the big leagues. Christ - he was traded for farging Garry Templeton, for farg's sake.
But he worked himself into one of the most dangerous hitters in the Bigs.
15 time all-star. 13 time gold glover. 400+ career doubles. 580 stolen bases. 1,072 career walks. And roughly the same career BA as Rollins (.262 & .268). Best glove man ever at the position and it's not even close.
Don't give me farging Jimmy Rollins. Please.
PS: For the millionth time, I love Jimmy. I'm not trashing him here at all but the homer love in here for that guy is just retarded. He's an all-time Phillie great. No doubt about it but comparing him favorably to Jeter, Ozzie or Ripken is just embarrassing.
the phillies lost again
Quote from: Rome on June 05, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
But he worked himself into one of the most dangerous hitters in the Bigs.
That's as egregious an overstatement as anyone over complimenting Rollins.
Smith was an all-time defensive shortstop, and credit him for working to become an acceptable offensive shortstop, but come on. Ozzie was a slap hitter who hit over .290 twice in 18 years. Perfectly acceptable offensive production for someone given his defensive abilities but one of the most feared hitters? By who?
By a fella in Florida!
Phils drafted Aaron Nola, RHP from LSU at #7.
Likened to Jake Peavy on the MLB network.
Nola from Louisiana. How convenient.
Call him up now.
hes probably the best pitching prospect in the organization right now, which is terrific. go jessie biddle. go throw strikes.
Best pick since...
Kieth Law tweeted he predicts Nola will be the first starting pitcher in this draft class to pitch in the bigs
J. P. Crawford (last year's #1) is doing pretty well in Lakewood. A long way off, but a good prospect.
Well farg...if Keith law likes him then he's destined to suck
the talking heads didnt LOVE him, they just think hes going to be solid and has major league ready stuff. its just not that good.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 05, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: Rome on June 05, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
But he worked himself into one of the most dangerous hitters in the Bigs.
That's as egregious an overstatement as anyone over complimenting Rollins.
Smith was an all-time defensive shortstop, and credit him for working to become an acceptable offensive shortstop, but come on. Ozzie was a slap hitter who hit over .290 twice in 18 years. Perfectly acceptable offensive production for someone given his defensive abilities but one of the most feared hitters? By who?
romey is completely out of his mind....even more than usual
Quote from: MDS on June 05, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
the talking heads didnt LOVE him, they just think hes going to be solid and has major league ready stuff. its just not that good.
Fastball 91-94. I think Hart said he didn't have the "best stuff," but was the most polished. Pretty much what Todd said.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2014, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 05, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: Rome on June 05, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
But he worked himself into one of the most dangerous hitters in the Bigs.
That's as egregious an overstatement as anyone over complimenting Rollins.
Smith was an all-time defensive shortstop, and credit him for working to become an acceptable offensive shortstop, but come on. Ozzie was a slap hitter who hit over .290 twice in 18 years. Perfectly acceptable offensive production for someone given his defensive abilities but one of the most feared hitters? By who?
romey is completely out of his mind....even more than usual
Go crazy, folks! Go crazy!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 05, 2014, 09:51:18 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 05, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
the talking heads didnt LOVE him, they just think hes going to be solid and has major league ready stuff. its just not that good.
Fastball 91-94. I think Hart said he didn't have the "best stuff," but was the most polished. Pretty much what Todd said.
i rarely value what these people say, in baseball you honestly rarely have any idea any these guys will turn out. for all we know this kid could be kyle kendrick or adam wainwright.
But if he's Kendrick then he's starting the AS game and getting a $112m extension right?!
Quote from: MDS on June 05, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
the talking heads didnt LOVE him, they just think hes going to be solid and has major league ready stuff. its just not that good.
so basically he'll fit right in with shtein they're trotting out there now.
sounds like a long reliever to me....in five years they will have the best mop up/rain delay guy in the bigs
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 05, 2014, 10:06:47 PM
But if he's Kendrick then he's starting the AS game and getting a $112m extension right?!
ummm, if hes kendrick then its not ideal to draft a bottom of the rotation starter with the 7th pick, but not the worst one could do.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2014, 10:11:38 PM
sounds like a long reliever to me....in five years they will have the best mop up/rain delay guy in the bigs
easy there hater. why doesnt he pitch 1 competitive minor league inning before you pull the woe is me wahh wahh nothing ever works out in philly card.
how am i hating to say a marty wolever pick will make it to the majors and be good at anything....that would be a huge accomplishment for this scouting dept
Scouting report on Aaron Nola. (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v31220265/draft-report-aaron-nola-college-pitcher)
QuoteThe ace of a 2013 Louisiana State pitching staff that included Twins second-round choice Ryan Eades, Nola finished among the NCAA Division I leaders in wins (12), ERA (1.57), strikeouts (122), K-BB ratio (6.8) and WHIP (0.80). He helped the Tigers end a three-year absence from the College World Series and finished his sophomore season without allowing an earned run in his final 26 2/3 innings. He extended that streak to 54 innings this spring, when he has been better than ever. Nola isn't physical or overpowering, but he has exquisite command of his three-pitch arsenal. He effortlessly works at 91-93 mph with his fastball, which plays up because his low three-quarters arm slot produces sink and he can locate the pitch wherever he wants. His changeup is his best secondary pitch, grading as plus at times, and he can throw his three-quarters breaking ball for strikes. Among the 2014 pitching crop, Nola is the best bet to reach his ceiling and likely will be the first starter to appear in the big leagues. His older brother Austin, who teamed with Aaron at LSU in 2012, is a slick-fielding shortstop in the Marlins system.
lol...well theres that
but the BA and mlb.com both him going to the phils at 7. its basically a safe pick. you and i could have made it, didnt take some kind of magic scouting formula.
They adjusted their strategy from taking upside guys who they never farging develop to more polished players who can maybe promote quicker.
The dude who went 8th to Colorado was drafted by the Phils outta HS and rejected $250k. Smart move, son.
Tyson Gillies DFAd
Lol
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 05, 2014, 10:41:58 PM
Tyson Gillies DFAd
Lol
lee for
gillies - dfa'ed
jc ramirez - outrighted last year
aumont - sucks
ruben amaro!
The fact he's a MLB GM is a joke.
Long Island Ducks GM? Believable
took some nerd from cal poly who wasnt drafted out of HS...."upside" referenced again
see you in 2025
Gocong?
strength of the draft was college pitching....phillies in reality do not care. amaro is trying to win as quickly as possible and is no mood to draft high school players or project collegians and wait them out. which is the mentality you need when you should be doing a complete overhaul of your organizational talent (its not).
MLB trying to make draft night like the NFL is funny
Your homie Wheels and Sarge were the Phils reps
Quote from: MDS on June 05, 2014, 11:13:52 PM
strength of the draft was college pitching....phillies in reality do not care. amaro is trying to win as quickly as possible and is no mood to draft high school players or project collegians and wait them out. which is the mentality you need when you should be doing a complete overhaul of your organizational talent (its not).
That's what I was saying this offseason. I heard his interview when he was talking about signing Byrd and said the people in Philadelphia don't accept rebuilding and need to win now. It's so terrible. He has no interest whatsoever in the actual welfare of the organization and is only out for his own job security (which is hopefully destroyed anyway).
@GJoyce9: Ronny Cedeno says he's been called up to the Phillies. He was batting .392 over the last 21 games and always smooth at SS/2B.
parade !
god
Captain Grit had another base running blunder...got picked off first earlier.
phils with 8 hits.....which is a monster game for them....and yet they still have more strikeouts than hits AGAIN
the team is now -1 in h/k for the season
ooooops...
QuoteLess than two months after they picked George Springer from the University of Connecticut, the Astros sent Pence and cash to the Phillies on July 29, 2011, for Cosart, Singleton, Zeid and a player to be named, which ended up being Santana. In spring training, a Phillies official admitted that Santana wasn't actually supposed to be on the list that was given to the Astros to pick from to satisfy the final piece on Aug. 15, 2011.
Santana, a 6-foot-5, 224-pounder from the Dominican Republic, has usually been one of the youngest players at each minor-league level. He's 21 now at OKC hitting .292 with nine home runs, 36 RBIs and an .858 OPS over 58 games. It wouldn't be surprising if he's up in the majors this year.
Fireable offense.
lets be real if he was in this farm system hed be hitting .210 at lehigh
I could have stomached that trade if they had actually re-signed Pence but they gave him to SF for nothing and of course he went on and won a World Series with them.
He's not the greatest player on Earth but he's a good major league outfielder. Same goes for Shane.
boobin amaron said santana was on the list
then hes like well i get it were going to get "picked apart" because were not winning. ummmmmmmmmmmmm i hate him.
Gelb tweeted that 19 of the 20 guys they drafted are college players
The no plate blocking rule is stupid.
It's even dumber when not enforced.
Phillies got farged
Mike Adams on the DL with rotator cuff inflammation
Ken Giles called up
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 07, 2014, 07:25:35 PM
The no plate blocking rule is stupid.
It's even dumber when not enforced.
Phillies got farged
lol
haha
imagine what 2 wins in a row wouldve meant!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 07, 2014, 07:27:02 PM
Mike Adams on the DL with rotator cuff inflammation
Ken Giles called up
Well, I was wrong about that one. Throw him in and see what he's got.
ken giles stinks
walkathon
Then he'll fit right in.
hes better than jesse biddle but worse than justin de fratus
since franco sucks the new name they will push is cam perkins. hitting OK in his first week in AAA. no real power, which means hell be an ideal LF for amaro (and J).
Bring Franco up anyway.
Your boy Cesar is worthless
Quote@ThisDateInBBall: 1989 Broadcaster Jim Rooker announces if the @Pirates lose, up 10-0 in the 1st, he'll walk home from Philadelphia. They lost, and he did.
Jimmy The Gawd is five away from owning the hits record
He will likely do it at home.
He better get a good long ovation. If anyone boos I hope they're beaten to a pulp
nobody hates jimmy...some whining on wip doesnt mean anything. people hate choke.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 08, 2014, 10:08:48 AM
Bring Franco up anyway.
Your boy Cesar is worthless
hes projected to be a utility player and has been playing for like a month. but he sucks. its over. go find a new career you dumb mexican!
Settle down and go worship your homie Kendrick
if i were building a team and needed a starter to round out of my rotation, why yes, i would consider signing mr. kendrick if there were no other sufficient major-league ready starting pitchers in my farm system.
worst record in the NL and 2 games behind Tampa Bay for worst in all of baseball
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 08, 2014, 04:03:15 PM
worst record in the NL and 2 games behind Tampa Bay for worst in all of baseball
That Tampa team is in a hardcore slump right now but if they played the Phillies for 10 games I'd like the Rays to win 6 or 7 of them.
Quote from: MDS on June 08, 2014, 02:59:27 PM
nobody hates jimmy...some whining on wip doesnt mean anything.
you are on quite a roll of being completely wrong
jimmy is the ultimate uppity negroid to half the fanbase
his bandwagon comments a few years ago will never be forgotten
Loloolololol^^^^
What planet are you on?
Quote from: SD on June 08, 2014, 05:54:01 PM
Loloolololol^^^^
What planet are you on?
the one that man is melting
Lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 08, 2014, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 08, 2014, 02:59:27 PM
nobody hates jimmy...some whining on wip doesnt mean anything.
you are on quite a roll of being completely wrong
jimmy is the ultimate uppity negroid to half the fanbase
his bandwagon comments a few years ago will never be forgotten
not sure what to with this but wish you well in your alternate dimension of existence
back in reality, the phillies still suck and jimmy is still a legend. my guess where youre coming from is he should be above utley, and since hes not, something something black black race race white hustle uppity bla bla and scene.
todays count
10k
6h
hof brown has the worst ops among lfs, the 6th-worst ops overall and a -1.0 war
ben revere has the 5th-worst ops among cfs. he has walked 5 times this year. he is 16th out of 18 in obp among qualified leadoff hitters. he has the 3rd-lowest walk rate in baseball.
choke has the 3rd-worst bb/k ratio among 1b. his -0.3 war is the worst among 1b. his 80 ks are 12 more than the 2nd place guy, who is mark reynolds.
man this is depressing.
QuoteDomonic Brown has had a pretty awful 2014 season.
So far this year, Brown is hitting .218/.268/.322 with a wOBA of .258. That's dead last - 64th out of 64 - qualifying outfielders in Major League Baseball. He has four home runs, an ISO of .104, an fWAR of -0.9 and his nERD is -1.90, meaning a lineup full of Dom Browns would generate 1.9 runs less per game than a lineup full of 27 average Major Leaguers.
This one's tough to read: in 72 plate appearances this year, Bobby Abreu has eight extra-base hits. Brown has 13 in 228 plate appearances.
That's a lot of different ways to say he's been very bad. It's also a far cry from last year's numbers (.272/.324/.494, wOBA .351, 27 HRs, nERD 1.27), which netted him his first All-Star Game appearance.
But one could argue that, outside of one ridiculously hot month of May last year, Brown has been an average-to-mediocre player for his entire career.
That seems to be what Phillies bench coach Larry Bowa was referring to when he made some tough comments regarding Brown last week: "He comes to the park upbeat every day. I don't know how he does that because if it was me I'd be going crazy," Bowa said of Brown. "The big thing to be concerned about, there was a five-week period- or-six last year and if you take that away, [Brown's] numbers aren't very good. He's not playing the way he's capable of playing."
It's fair to wonder if the struggling Domonic Brown is the "real" Domonic Brown. Believe me, many Phillies fans are wondering that very thing. And at least one of their coaches is pondering the idea.
However, there are signs Brown may slowly be breaking out of his season-long slump. He's a hit in 9 out of his last 10 games, and in 28 June plate appearances, Brown is hitting .333/.321/.407 with a wOBA of .314. Oddly enough, he hasn't drawn a walk during this time, although he also went the entire, insane month of May last year without drawing a walk too, which still seems like an impossible thing to do. And, of course, this is a very small sample size, so these numbers should be viewed within that context.
Brown has had solid streaks other than May of 2013. Heading into the trade deadline back in 2011, as the Phillies were foolishly in pursuit of Hunter Pence, Brown slashed .296/.398/.366 in July. While he didn't hit any homers that month, his plate discipline and development were coming along. That was until Pence forced him down to Triple-A.
Until the last week, Brown hadn't put together any kind of streak this season, which would give one reason to hope he would pull out of his tailspin. Now, finally, there is the faintest of heartbeats.
And while it's too late to make a difference in the Phils' lost 2014 season, a good final few months would at least put Brown and Phillies management in a positive mind frame for 2015.
Or, it could make him valuable trade bait at the deadline.
Wait wait wait a goddamn second...
There's a stat called nERD?!?
No way.
nerds do have revel in self deprecating humor
meathheads do not
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 09, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
Wait wait wait a goddamn second...
There's a stat called nERD?!?
No way.
id say you cant make this stuff up....but thats exactly what they do
Normal baseball person: "The triple crown winner totally deserves this! He's had a phenomenal season!"
SABR geek: "Negative, meathead! His nERD levels were substandard to the rest of the league by point-oh-four!"
global warming isnt real!
yea theres not enough science to back it up. its just al gore and his minions pushing their liberal agenda on everyone!
All of you know that it doesn't have to be sabermetrics vs. traditional scouting and statistics, right? The Phillies see it that way and that's why the organization sucks. Use a combination of both and shut the hell up.
Quote from: Dillen on June 10, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
All of you know that it doesn't have to be sabermetrics vs. traditional scouting and statistics, right? The Phillies see it that way and that's why the organization sucks. Use a combination of both and shut the hell up.
ding ding ding ding ding
thats what pretty much every team does. farg "hinkie magic" worships nerd basketball stats and those are beneath nerd baseball stats. but this is a war between meatheads and seamheads and you need to pick a side, or one will be chosen for you (wassup).
seriously, every single english teacher mds ever had should be shot.
Can you blame them for giving up on a lost cause?
Of course you're assuming they haven't long ago shot themselves.
you both bring up excellent points.
MDS' editors must cry each night.
haha... like the laredo gazette has editors.
Quote from: Rome on June 10, 2014, 05:23:44 PM
haha... like the laredo gazette has editors.
Probably more editors than readers.
hi haters
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/06/jayson-stark-argues-jimmy-rollins-hall-of-fame-case.html
Jimmy is a HOF
stark is a legend but a complete phillies homer....scott palmer probably wrote those talking points
Brignac walk off 3r shot
Yeah
yeah
!!
You forgot those buddy
Quote from: MDS on June 11, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
stark is a legend but a complete phillies homer....
what part of that article shows his homerism ?
Quote from: smeags on June 12, 2014, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: MDS on June 11, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
stark is a legend but a complete phillies homer....
what part of that article shows his homerism ?
im positive the lil guy didnt read starks piece....he read the words in the link (not sure why j didnt link starks column rather than crossing broad bullshtein) along with j's post which both kinda make it sound like stark is saying he will be in the HOF....when in fact as of now he said god is NOT a HOF
Because I was on my phone and linked the CB one...I didnt have Stark's full column.
Yeah he said he's not as of now but if he keeps it for several more years he is.
i hate CB with a passion
I am not really a fan either...but I read it. Its kinda like watching a car wreck
Quote from: smeags on June 12, 2014, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: MDS on June 11, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
stark is a legend but a complete phillies homer....
what part of that article shows his homerism ?
couldnt care less about what he thinks on this...nothing to do with him being a phillies cheerleader. which he is. its fine, its good. i like it.
Giles made his debut with 2 outs in the 9th and....yeaa (http://m.mlb.com/sd/video/topic/6479266/v33656907/sdphi-grandal-lifts-a-solo-shot-to-left-field)
What's up with MAAAyberry? Looks like a big leaguer lately
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 12, 2014, 04:23:09 PM
Giles made his debut with 2 outs in the 9th and....yeaa (http://m.mlb.com/sd/video/topic/6479266/v33656907/sdphi-grandal-lifts-a-solo-shot-to-left-field)
Fast and straight means home run city
it wasnt a great pitch but that was a bank special...pop fly homer
giles reacted like he got the out. welcome to philly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 11, 2014, 07:23:02 PM
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/06/jayson-stark-argues-jimmy-rollins-hall-of-fame-case.html
Jimmy is a HOF
To me, Rollins is still a wait-and-see. Right now, he has around 2230 hits. If he performs to norm for the rest of the season, he'll be between 2300-2350 at the extremes. He's 35 years old this season.
If he can stay injury free and perform at his current level for three more seasons (150 hits X 3), that will put him between 2750-2800 for his career. Four seasons would put him on the cusp of 3000.
150 could be conservative, as he has never dropped below this in a full season, other than 2010 when he got hurt, but age and other factors could drive it lower. 160 could get him 2780-2830, while dropping to 140 would drop it to 2720-2770. And injuries could always play the spoiler for Rollins.
Would 2500 hits be enough to put Rollins in? 2750? Would he need to get all the way to 3000? I could see Rollins playing to 40-41 or so if he still had a shot of reaching it. Far from definite even discounting chances of injury, but there's a decent enough shot to mention.
What does he need?
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=262971641
Gawd
Ha... was just coming to post that link myself.
j-roll vindicated
http://deadspin.com/which-mlb-fans-are-the-biggest-bandwagoners-1590452742?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
philly doesnt pay for garbage so theyre bandwagoners....correct term applied
lol at vindicated.
Damn. I wish the Phils had diehard fans like the Marlins do. Whether they win or lose, those same 45 fans are always there for them.
Of course that's one of the flaws of doing a simple correlation between wins and attendance. Living in Pittsburgh, I can tell you another flaw. When the Pirates win, it doesn't change their attendance much... it changes the composition of the attendance. Because it's just a great field there are always tons of out-of-town fans at all the games. In years past I have gone to games and been part of a clear Phillies majority in attendance. Probably won't be the case this year.
Excuse me? It's 46 fans. Please.
Cheer up sports fans.
QuoteAnthony Hewitt, the Phillies' 2008 first-round pick, was released Thursday after failing to develop in seven disappointing seasons spent mostly in the lower levels of the minor leagues.
It closes the book on a player who stands as a symbol of the Phils' early-round draft failures over the last decade. Since 2003, the Phillies have used their first draft pick on a high school player eight of 12 times. Only four of those 12 picks reached the majors, with Joe Savery's 44 MLB games leading the way.
Bullshtein ejection from the kid umpire. farging jerkoff
http://twitpic.com/e63m65
its really sad watching them
5 years ago they easily come back on some pos right handed reliever at home. like clockwork. but since this team stinks and everyone is old they do no such thing.
old yeller needs to be taken out back
if rino doesnt get false ejected they win......this game will come back to haunt them
Record
cool deal
now waive your 10/5 and go play for a good team
Jimmy gonna finish with 2500+ hits, strong speed/power numbers for a SS, and above average D most his career.
Jimmy The Pimp deserves to stay and retire a Phillie
he better not go anywhere....but he will cause the fanbase doesn't like him...even tho GRIT would get better prospects
he has to go now...it wouldnt make sense not to do it. same for grit.
your little black guilt trip has nothing to do with it. the phillies stink and as long as jimmy and chase agree to go (jimmy said he would, essentially), theyll go. they have value and can bring back prospects, which this organization needs badly. youll get over it. life will go on. and such.
Lil guy is trying to sell me on dealing him and having Galvis play because JP Crawford will be ready soon.
No.
it can be galvis...it can be ronny cedeno...it can be schmuel greenberg. it doesnt matter.
the phillies need to move anything and everything they can in order to stockpile prospects. holding on to aging stars doesnt accomplish anything. it doesnt sell tickets, it doesnt win titles. move on.
GALVIS!!
I be fine with having a fire sale.
But you don't trade Jimmy. Phillie for life.
Like everyone's hero Schmidt. Or Jeter.
you cant have a black hero anymore in baseball
I love (and by love I mean wanna murder these people) listening to people bemoan Jimmy surpassing Schmidt because "he doesn't hustle"
OK so lets not trade jimmy...the prospect return isnt going to be the same as utley and lee but fine. ill play this game.
so his option vests for 15. now its the summer of 15. jimmy still has game left and is looking for a 2 year deal. jp crawford is tearing it up in reading and by all accounts should be ready by the summer of 16. now what do you do? trade jimmy? resign him and block jp? let him walk?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2014, 08:31:43 PM
Jimmy The Pimp deserves to stay and retire a Phillie
Agreed. Jimmy should be a Phillie for life.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2014, 09:12:41 PM
he better not go anywhere....but he will cause the fanbase doesn't like him...even tho GRIT would get better prospects
Agreed. I was listening to Missanelli a few weeks ago, and Mikey Miss was saying that Rollins (and Utley) would be selfish if they don't agree to waive their no-trade clause - and even selfish if they don't demand to be traded. For some reason, I have a feeling that a significant percentage of idiot fans would agree with that sentiment.
Quote from: MDS on June 14, 2014, 10:23:32 PM
it can be galvis...it can be ronny cedeno...it can be schmuel greenberg. it doesnt matter.
the phillies need to move anything and everything they can in order to stockpile prospects. holding on to aging stars doesnt accomplish anything. it doesnt sell tickets, it doesnt win titles. move on.
See?
JP plays second? Or Third?
By then it could be Rollins sliding over.
lets be real the prospect they get for GRIT is gonna suck too....but I want that south jersey worshipped mf out of here just to piss people off
who they get for any of these guys is irrelevant at this point
I just want the loud mouth negro to say...oh I also LOVE him ( I do love GRIT too btw but its not the same)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2014, 10:38:57 PM
JP plays second? Or Third?
mvp cody asche has 3rd locked and the lee trade netted them a good 2B. its SS or bust.
perhaps this is just the difference between myself and other fans. yall worship players and think it means something that they play every last second of their careers with 1 team and want to honor them for past accomplishments. i dont care. theyre just human beings. they have no purpose on this team other than being window dressing on a sinking ship.
Aka the detached reasoning of a sabr guy
Spreadsheet vs eyes
Fandom vs detached whatever feeling
j...after all this...phillies only six out....you still IN?
just saw the champagne toast.....so good
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2014, 11:18:51 PM
j...after all this...phillies only six out....you still IN?
teetering...some days OUT others have a glimmer of hope and despair
link to the champagne toast?
don't have one...I saw it on espn
cool vid
http://m.mlb.com/phi/video/topic/8877464/v33725453/chcphi-phillies-postgame-toast-to-jimmy-rollins/?c_id=phi
he is the best
Quote from: MDS on June 15, 2014, 12:35:09 AM
cool vid
http://m.mlb.com/phi/video/topic/8877464/v33725453/chcphi-phillies-postgame-toast-to-jimmy-rollins/?c_id=phi
There was so much fake enthusiasm in that video, especially when he first walked into the clubhouse.
JP Crawford got promoted to A+. Roman Quinn is getting moved to CF for him, because he's much less important
quinn is going to be a zesty ben revere clone, best case scenario
@AceballStats: One team players with 400+ 2B, 100+ 3B, & 200+ HR in career:
Lou Gehrig
Stan Musial
Roberto Clemente
Robin Yount
George Brett
Jimmy Rollins
@AceballStats: Jimmy Rollins, Paul Molitor, & Johnny Damon are the only players in #MLB history with 400+ 2B, 100+ 3B, 200+ HR, & 400+ SB.
Jimmy is HOF worthy, but his career has been largely plagued by playing on bad teams, with a 5yr run of success on what could be considered an under achieving team from 2010-12. If he's the SS for the Sawx or Yanks for his career and puts up those numbers, he might even go 1st ballot. But as it is now, he likely won't even get in.
Point is, for anyone from this wretched franchise to get in the hall, they have to be truly elite like Schmidt or Carlton and Jimmy definitely isn't on that level.
well at least theyre not going to be no hit today
progress
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 15, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
Jimmy is HOF worthy, but his career has been largely plagued by playing on bad teams, with a 5yr run of success on what could be considered an under achieving team from 2010-12. If he's the SS for the Sawx or Yanks for his career and puts up those numbers, he might even go 1st ballot. But as it is now, he likely won't even get in.
Point is, for anyone from this wretched franchise to get in the hall, they have to be truly elite like Schmidt or Carlton and Jimmy definitely isn't on that level.
2000 doesn't count because he only played 14 games...other than that he's only played on two sub .500 teams...one being last year and the others being 2002 when they were 80-81. That's hardly being on bad teams especially since he was a key component during a great 5 year run.
Yeah and plus even if you considered the Phillies bad (like Havas and Todd) isn't it even more impressive to put up mega-numbers on a "bad" squad?
If the Phillies were a juggernaut then people would say "oh he just benefitted from all that talent around him".
who thinks the phillies are good?
not even the phanatic.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2014, 04:03:33 PM
isn't it even more impressive to put up mega-numbers on a "bad" squad?
Just wanted to point this out and let it sink in for a while. Mega-numbers. Mega.
2007 qualifies as mega numbers.
Kinda like more than 40 people in the stands for a lacrosse game would be mega numbers.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 15, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
his career has been largely plagued by playing on bad teams
i dont even know what to say to this...I knew people hated gawd but not sarge
who's had a better career: Chase Utley or Jimmy Rollins
what do you say and what would the majority of phillies fans say?
Quote from: SunMo on June 16, 2014, 10:43:26 AM
who's had a better career: Chase Utley or Jimmy Rollins
what do you say and what would the majority of phillies fans say?
GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Chase Utley Career 1386 5161 887 1486 322 45 222 840 568 874 130 18 .288 .373 .497 .870
Jimmy RollinsCareer 2016 8335 1281 2236 466 109 207 858 724 1093 436 91 .268 .328 .425 .753
The formatting looks much better in the posting query. Way closer than I would have thought. I am partial to Chase mostly because Jimmy Rollins became the most overrated player in Phillies history after the 2008 season.
Quote from: SunMo on June 16, 2014, 10:43:26 AM
who's had a better career: Chase Utley or Jimmy Rollins
what do you say and what would the majority of phillies fans say?
the guy who got drunk and cursed
Quote from: SD on June 15, 2014, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 15, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
Jimmy is HOF worthy, but his career has been largely plagued by playing on bad teams, with a 5yr run of success on what could be considered an under achieving team from 2010-12. If he's the SS for the Sawx or Yanks for his career and puts up those numbers, he might even go 1st ballot. But as it is now, he likely won't even get in.
Point is, for anyone from this wretched franchise to get in the hall, they have to be truly elite like Schmidt or Carlton and Jimmy definitely isn't on that level.
2000 doesn't count because he only played 14 games...other than that he's only played on two sub .500 teams...one being last year and the others being 2002 when they were 80-81. That's hardly being on bad teams especially since he was a key component during a great 5 year run.
Fine. Replace bad with mostly forgettable. Or mediocre. My point is still the same. If Jimmy had more Oct at bats either earlier or even later in his career, he'd probably be talked about as a HOF lock.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2014, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 15, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
his career has been largely plagued by playing on bad teams
i dont even know what to say to this...I knew people hated gawd but not sarge
Huh? How did you possibly interpret that to mean that I hated Jimmy? If he was trying to rape my squaw, I'd help hold her down.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 16, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2014, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 15, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
his career has been largely plagued by playing on bad teams
i dont even know what to say to this...I knew people hated gawd but not sarge
Huh? How did you possibly interpret that to mean that I hated Jimmy? If he was trying to rape my squaw, I'd help hold her down.
Gross
tony gwynn jr's father died
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2014, 11:22:33 AM
tony gwynn jr's father died
This is the Phillies thread. + who cares.
Quote from: Chameleon on June 16, 2014, 11:24:52 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2014, 11:22:33 AM
tony gwynn jr's father died
This is the Phillies thread. + who cares.
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tony+Gwynn+Jr+Philadelphia+Phillies+Photo+g189tDehkzbl.jpg)
Shows you how much Phillies baseball I have watched this year. So basically Tony Gwynn just died and I said who cares. I am a good person...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2014, 08:46:30 PM
2007 qualifies as mega numbers.
Kinda like more than 40 people in the stands for a lacrosse game would be mega numbers.
Oh I get it. So that one mega stat mega season = mega HOF forever!
Quote from: SunMo on June 16, 2014, 10:43:26 AM
who's had a better career: Chase Utley or Jimmy Rollins
what do you say and what would the majority of phillies fans say?
Utley has been better, marginally. Not sure that he meant as much to the phillies as Rollins in 07 & 08 though.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 16, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2014, 08:46:30 PM
2007 qualifies as mega numbers.
Kinda like more than 40 people in the stands for a lacrosse game would be mega numbers.
Oh I get it. So that one mega stat mega season = mega HOF forever!
Well it was kind of a big deal, that season. So it helps legitimize his candidacy.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 16, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2014, 11:22:33 AM
tony gwynn jr's father died
Just saw this. Wow.
Sr. was a class act. Loved the guy. He came up through the Padres system back when the Hawaii Islanders were their AAA affiliate.
@JSalisburyCSN: Chase Utley's batting average has fallen under .300. He was at .347 a month ago. Is 0 for 3 tonight
GRIT
hes a career .288 hitter...he was never gonna hit .320
stop trolling for j-roll, this isnt a fight anyone wants to have. theyre both good and both beloved and both will be traded in a month.
Dom the dumbshtein
What a farging clown
Jesus
Johnny Paps blows the save and Dom Brown can't play outfield to save his life.
I think Greg Luzinski was a better outfielder than Von Brown.
EDIT: The corporate shill is breaking Brown's balls about the play. Expect him to be demoted any time now.
DeFratus did a nice job getting out of that spot.
DeFratus has been money since he was recalled...nice to see
Come on Brignac, do something here.
Something else.
Altherr sucks like the rest of them.
Good work by the bullpen to keep the ship afloat. Nice win to pick up Papelbon.
5.5 out
here we go team, here we go. bomp bomp
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 16, 2014, 08:51:14 PM
@JSalisburyCSN: Chase Utley's batting average has fallen under .300. He was at .347 a month ago. Is 0 for 3 tonight
GRIT
lets see how many boos he gets during his slump
over under zero
Quote from: MDS on June 17, 2014, 01:23:54 AM
5.5 out
here we go team, here we go. bomp bomp
Could be down to 3.5 soon
Yeahhhh
Lil guy's homeboy Kendrick goes tonight.
Hopefully he won't get rocked early on
niiice
Do not compliment or enjoy the phillies dude.
Not allowed here. Havas and lil guy said no
damn I forgot. momentary lapse in reason.
Moyer is waxing poetic about the bullpen again.
The bullpen, shockingly, has been great lately.
AYO LIL GUY.....
FOUR AND A HALF GAMES OUT
its really pathetic, isnt it
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 04, 2014, 09:01:17 AM
they quit and shtein all over themselves
farg these gutless bums
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2014, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2014, 11:18:51 PM
j...after all this...phillies only six out....you still IN?
teetering...some days OUT others have a glimmer of hope and despair
link to the champagne toast?
Like I said....
You're not permitted to cheer for them, Phreak. Doing so makes you a so jrzy Homer!
i bet there's a sabremetric on how to be a real fan out there somewhere.
ruben amaro has built a real unstoppable beast
it must suck being so miserable all the time.
Quote from: MDS on June 18, 2014, 02:26:35 PM
ruben amaro has built a real unstoppable beast
seven games under .500....GO CRAZY WITH EXCITEMENT!!
That's what I think about when I listen to the morning show on WIP.
Lil guy = Cataldi Jr
they are a horrible team magically hanging around a brutal division
congrats
So have fun with it and embrace it, Captain Killjoy
theres literally nothing fun about watching an old zesty team play .450 baseball
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 18, 2014, 03:03:01 PM
theres literally nothing fun about watching an old zesty team play .450 baseball
but theyre 3.5 out!!!
they have a shot!
That is correct.
you two are like those old dudes on the muppets
That's a poor comparison, Statler and Wooldorf are entertaining.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 18, 2014, 03:03:01 PM
theres literally nothing fun about watching an old zesty team play .450 baseball
but it's fun crying like a menstrating female about them 50 times a day like you & frodo do right ?
Quote from: General_Failure on June 18, 2014, 03:35:34 PM
That's a poor comparison, Statler and Wooldorf are entertaining.
lol
AYO MDS! THREE IN A ROW!
Fire up the 81-81 bandwagon!
im not laboring under the delusion that this team is good but the division stinks so why not enjoy the wins when they happen especially against the NL east.
because they dont matter...if some bad team winning meaningless games gets you going then OK. that aint my style.
if you were jumping for joy in 1997 when kevin jordan knocked in kevin stocker then im guessing youll be happy today, too.
dont you have an article to go write that nobody will read instead of wasting time talking about games that dont matter ?
So MDS is one of the people Jimmy spoke the truth on...bandwagon all up in this bitch!
Quote from: smeags on June 18, 2014, 04:52:11 PM
dont you have an article to go write that nobody will read instead of wasting time talking about games that dont matter ?
lol...such anger. the internet is a fun place.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 18, 2014, 04:58:45 PM
So MDS is one of the people Jimmy spoke the truth on...bandwagon all up in this bitch!
jimmy called the fans frontrunners, which he actually is. and if a frontrunner = not blindly supporting a team like a 12 year old worshiping people who play sports, then im guilty as charged. this team sucks, they have no shot, they shouldve blown this up 2 years ago. one isolated week of semi competent play isnt going to change that.
anger ? :-D
Its supposed to be fun and enjoyable.
Yeah they will probably suck but its not like they are angling for a draft pick and need to tank. Baseball draft ain't like the NBA.
So enjoy it. Have fun with it.
Tanking gets the GM fired though, which is what people are truly rooting for
This bullpen has been amazing for the past month. Get rid of jackass and tardo (you know he's gonna lose it again all of a sudden) and they'll be even more fun to watch
The Phils will trade what little they can, pretty much get worthless minor league players in return, and Amaro will get fired when the season ends with a 0.430 team. If they can play some enjoyable baseball games in the interim, that's great. Major league baseball clubs are supposed to be capable of entertaining their fans at least some of the time.
Montgomery was making some noise the other day about how the front office has been the same people the whole time, and that Gillick is still advising the team. This was supposed to be a statement in support of Amaro. I recognize the team has been overly loyal to many people, but please believe that after the season they are going to stash him in whatever part of the ballpark they keep Wheels in, and hire a new GM.
As much as I want him fired and hate his guts - Smug isn't getting fired.
Not until end of next season at the earliest.
And they'll just replace him with Proefrock
whats monty gonna say? hes a dull boring penn grad.
when the finish with 90 losses and season ticket renewals are even further down, he could easily go. theyll have to do something.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 18, 2014, 05:23:07 PM
So enjoy it. Have fun with it.
have fun with what?.....what is IT?
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 18, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
Fire up the 81-81 bandwagon!
they are on pace for 74 wins
It = watching the games
lol
I mean that's the point right? To enjoy sports?
I'm sure they'll be back to shtein at some point but I'll hope not and that they keep it going
following my teams for me hope is the most important thing...then winning....and the phillies are devoid of both....
fun or enjoyment or whatever you are talking about might not crack the top ten....but thats why im a hater and you are a homer
I also want them to keep winning to drive lil guy insane.
Win the STL series and he'll lose his mind.
the phils just swept the braves
OMG the horror
not horror just meaningless
Getting excited about any win (or salty about a loss) before Sep in baseball is pretty pointless, no matter how good or bad the team is. But when you're watching a bad team like the Phils play a solid stretch of ball, it's cool to enjoy it. Especially when you see Howard hitting the way he did in the last 3 games.
It's a bad team, so stop dreaming of a division title you idiot homers and simply look forward to the next 8-2 stretch they'll get sometime in August.
They're having a nice little steak right now and playing well so just enjoy the brief flashback to 2008 that they're giving us you salty curmudgeons. Don't worry, they'll go back to being terrible sometime within the next week.
or tonight
and playing well = sweeping the awful padres, losing 2/3 to the awful cubs and sweeping the mediocre and slumping braves. hooray. well.
in 2009 the astros swept the phillies in a 4 game series at the bank. im sure it was a monumental series for the astros and led to a huge turnaround and world series title.
Holy shtein Brignac looks like he shattered his ankle
Thought for a sec that it was a compound fracture. But he's slowly walking off
Choke!
14hrs and 50rbi
Choke luvs him some baseball heaven.
choke!
3rd most plate appearances in all of baseball with runners on base & the 16th-best ops among 1B
Mds is that girl of the group who talks her drunk friend out of flashing her tits
Wet blanket
extremeJ
I should get started on my Art Mills manifesto
rube is your joe gibbs
meanwhile cesar hernandez has had a pretty good stretch here. maybe its just an aberration, maybe the start of something. maybe we should find out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 19, 2014, 09:58:11 PM
Mds is that girl of the group who talks her drunk friend out of flashing her tits
Wet blanket
You mean the dumb ugly fat friend? Yeah, I don't think (s)he's fat, bro.
I'd ease Asche back in and let him platoon with Cesar
And Amaro will never be anything to me other than a smug jerkoff
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 19, 2014, 09:30:18 PM
Holy shtein Brignac looks like he shattered his ankle
Thought for a sec that it was a compound fracture. But he's slowly walking off
Yeah, I was sure he had Moises Alou'd himself. Hope he's OK.
a smug jerkoff who references ryan howards RBIs as some sort of justification for giving him that asinine contract
Todd hates _____________ more than RBIs and wins?
Hoyda
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 19, 2014, 10:09:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 19, 2014, 09:30:18 PM
Holy shtein Brignac looks like he shattered his ankle
Thought for a sec that it was a compound fracture. But he's slowly walking off
Yeah, I was sure he had Moises Alou'd himself. Hope he's OK.
I was thinking Jason Kendall too
They say it's a sprain
4 back of the unbeatable nationals
do you believe philadelphia, do you believe.
Goddamn right!
I believe that we will win!
:-*
Quote from: MDS on June 19, 2014, 11:09:19 PM
4 back of the unbeatable nationals
do you believe philadelphia, do you believe.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBG-o_W1WtsX2hduysO57Eef59JQrtEkwgXdFggpPJyhM750M1tmX-g0WM)
smug has reached out to grady sizemore, who was just cut by boston
216/288/612 sizemore
221/272/601 hof brown
155/268/447 rip tony gwynn
3-1
4-1
5-1
Someone must have sacrificed a live chicken in the clubhouse because this is like the 5th or 6th game in a row that they've scored at least 4 runs.
BEST TEAM EVER!!
AYO LIL GUY!!!
about to just throw the stash to omar
Damn you Heidi! He actually pitched well, 5 hits 8 K's although walking Carpenter to lead off bottom of the 8th was the kiss of death. I still can't stand Matt Holliday.
Diekman,oh farg.
Once again Holliday misses the bag. farging Chooch! Drops the ball and trys to sell the tag. Stand up and tag the goofy farg.
Great inning - walk, double, hit batter, passed ball, dropped ball at the plate, booming sac fly. farg me.
keep hope alive!
Expected loss today against Wainwright
Back on track tomorrow
hamels is such a bitch
as unphilly as it gets
ive only been saying this for a hundred years
its one thing to lose to wainwright...whatever
he knew what we was getting into and walked 5 guys. ryno left him in the 8th and he left a pitch up for holliday to crush. did he think wainwright was gonna give up 3 runs? come on.
on top of that hes the one who signed a long term deal with this pos team. this is head bed, he made it. but yet he throws a temper tantrum when he gets no run support. what a bitch.
Yeah don't walk five people buddy. He lost his "permission to whine" card because he was a goddamn walk-a-thon.
he whines about everything...he whined about having a bad season when they were in the world series. hes just a farging spoiled socal twat.
if he wants run support so bad, demand a trade and agree to restructure your massive contract. teams will be lined up around the block for him.
Wave bye-bye to Tyson Gillies. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-release-outfielder-tyson-gillies)
Mds' boy at it again
Blew a three run lead
unreal....hes the worst pitcher ever in the history of baseball of all time
I cant stop looking at ben reveres obp
big ben has walked 6 times this year
still a chance j?
get EXCITED!!
trevor may and vance worley for ben revere
They went 5-2 on the trip so it's not awful
True but farging Kendrick. Goddamned icehole has a 3 run cushion and you know. I shouldn't be surprised. He's used up his good outings for the year.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/06/22/jimmy-rollins-trade-phillies/11246993/
Jimmy says "farg off" to being traded.
cc: lil guy
The ceremony for Jimmy was awesome.
Burrell, Lieberthal, Marlon Anderson and Bobby A (in Phils j) were there.
Some suit from the FO came out and presented him and his wife with Gucci bags and I'm thinking "wouldn't this be the most Amaro thing ever...here's your bags, buddy. You've been traded." But it was for the trip the Phils gave Jimmy and his wife to Italy.
They also had messages on Phanavision from Fallon and the Roots, Kelly Ripa, Al Roker, Shady, Rickey, Jeter, Jamie Lee Curtis, Mayor Nutter, Bernie Parent and Ms. Biden
Jesse Biddle got rocked again...9ER in 2IP. Nola gave up 4ER too.
Sigh
Biddle is hurt or a mental case. He's sucked all year
Offense is back to old habits.
Yep... >:(
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 19, 2014, 01:47:05 PM
Don't worry, they'll go back to being terrible sometime within the next week.
guys im starting to think they might not be good
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 23, 2014, 05:50:00 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/06/22/jimmy-rollins-trade-phillies/11246993/
Jimmy says "farg off" to being traded.
cc: lil guy
And Utley follow suit... maybe with a caveat. (http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2014/06/24/utley-doesnt-plan-on-going-anywhere/)
how sad is it that domonic brown has a lower ops that ben revere
6 back! lets do this!
btw franco now hitting .207 at lehigh
Grady Sizemore signed to a minor league deal
HA! farging Grit. Nice drop.
What's funnier is watching the incredible shrinking attendance.
Did Grit get booed? He should have
He and Buchanan need to be booed out of there.
This team secures 5 more Cody Asches and Heidi grows a dong they'll be ok.
Grit hit the liquor cabinet hard during BP. Dropping balls left and right.
standing O for Gwynn Jr (http://m.phillies.mlb.com/phi/video/v34004011/miaphi-gwynn-jr-greeted-by-the-phillies-faithful/?partnerId=as_mlb_20140625_26651336)
does he get cut for sizemore or do they send down hof
elias: Clayton Kershaw became 1st pitcher with 8 scoreless innings following no-hitter since Tommy Greene in 1991
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/06/25/rollins-says-phillies-should-have-reached-four-world-series-won-three/#.U6r0z_WBLlw.twitter
lol
me and god...great minds thinking a like since 2009...
also did the lil guy pen that piece?
QuoteThe Phillies have not made the playoffs since the past two seasons
Do you and Jimmy also think they should have gotten a bigger boat in Jaws?
thats funny coming from my number one hater when i used to say that beating tampa bay in a rain delayed world series for your only title will be one of the most dissapointing things ever
everyone knows they should've rome.
Sarcasm.
man, if the phils could've only beaten a real team in '08 id be happy.
You mean like the '80 Phils?
Quote from: smeags on June 25, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
man, if the phils could've only beaten a real team in '08 id be happy.
if the phillies didnt win a title at all in 08' youd be happy....and thats because you are a "just get em next year guys" type of fan...and thats not a criticism...its jealousy
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2014, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 25, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
man, if the phils could've only beaten a real team in '08 id be happy.
if the phillies didnt win a title at all in 08' youd be happy....and thats because you are a "just get em next year guys" type of fan...and thats not a criticism...its jealousy
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Quote from: Rome on June 25, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
You mean like the '80 Phils?
exactly. both titles should have asterisks next to them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2014, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 25, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
man, if the phils could've only beaten a real team in '08 id be happy.
if the phillies didnt win a title at all in 08' youd be happy....and thats because you are a "just get em next year guys" type of fan...and thats not a criticism...its jealousy
This might be the stupidest post I've ever read.
It literally hurt my eyeballs.
Well done.
domonic brown destroying world series hopes and dreams tonight :-[
Tommy Hutton waxing poetic about Philly and the fans.
Asche is flashing some serious leather tonight
One of these iceholes need to swing a bat.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 26, 2014, 11:47:48 PM
One of these iceholes need to swing a bat.
Thank you, Grit!
If he didn't win it then they'd have lost because Rosenjerk was about to have to pitch
WE BEAT THE MARLINS! WE BEAT THE ahh farg you.
5 back of igy's nats, 4 back of atlanta
matchups for this weekend vs. igy's braves:
kendrick - tehran
rubber toe - santana
the immortal sean o'sullivan - hale (a relief pitcher)
david buchanan, who has the double wins of cole hamels - harang
how many games will they win? o/u at .5
phils sweep and the igys lose out to the cubs - then OMG we got a pennant race.
They will take 3/4 from ATL
they are also behind the marlins and a half game ahead of the mets for last place but troll
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
They will take 3/4 from ATL
They'd better get started on that.
prob not gonna happen
Mds homie Kendrick getting raped...again
hes actually pitched a pretty good gamne....career high in strikeouts....just had a bad first inning which is par for the course - 9.00 first inning era on the year
Lil guy will be here soon to deepthroat Kk
Stairs and Moyer's homerism is getting real lame. "Let's get 3 more runs here!" shtein, sounds like I'm listening to the Braves announcers.
Know how bad Stairs and Moyer are? I'm starting to enjoy McCarthy
Holy crap! TMac grabbing his glove getting ready to catch that AAA flyball was priceless
HOF, so clutch.
Quote from: SD on June 27, 2014, 10:13:39 PM
Know how bad Stairs and Moyer are? I'm starting to enjoy McCarthy
how embarssing is moyer in this video
http://m.mlb.com/video/v34084831/atlphi-mccarthy-catches-homer-throws-the-ball-back/?c_id=mlb
The Kendrick thing with giving up early runs seems unusual to me for some reason. I remember him always pitching pretty well until the fifth or sixth inning before giving up 3 or 4 runs. He'd seem to get thru the lineup at least twice before the hitters caught up to his slop.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 28, 2014, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: SD on June 27, 2014, 10:13:39 PM
Know how bad Stairs and Moyer are? I'm starting to enjoy McCarthy
how embarssing is moyer in this video
http://m.mlb.com/video/v34084831/atlphi-mccarthy-catches-homer-throws-the-ball-back/?c_id=mlb
Moyer looks totally sauced. I'm guessing it was Stairs who yelled "Get it Tom! " Gotta give McCarthy some credit for making the call pretty seamlessly while catching the ball.
People who field better than Choke:
quadriplegic's
blind people
tee-ballers
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2014, 03:25:48 PM
People who field better than Choke:
quadriplegic's
blind people
tee-ballers
GRIT
define none
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2014, 03:25:48 PM
People who field better than Choke:
quadriplegic's
blind people
tee-ballers
Tom McCarthy
Quote from: Don Ho on June 29, 2014, 05:01:53 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2014, 03:25:48 PM
People who field better than Choke Ben farging Revere:
quadriplegic's
blind people
tee-ballers
Tom McCarthy
:boom
Grit gonna do his Choke impression.
they are an amazing team.....13 hits two runs on two solo homers
GRIT's last at bat was so terrible......kimbrel soft tossed a hanging slider on the first pitch and because GRIT has tons of patience and walks a lot he looked at....then proceeded to swing at garbage the rest of the at bat
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 29, 2014, 04:59:53 PM
they are an amazing team.....13 hits two runs on two solo homers
GRIT's last at bat was so terrible......kimbrel soft tossed a hanging slider on the first pitch and because GRIT has tons of patience and walks a lot he looked at....then proceeded to swing at garbage the rest of the at bat
And that's with both Revere and Rollins having three hits at the top of the order.
... and I thought the same things about Grit's last at-bat. Even got the dirty look from Mrs. Geowhizzer for using the term "farging moron" at the end.
Goodnight, Irene. Let the sell-off commence.
Remember when everyone thought Marlon Byrd was going to be the problem with this collection of has-beens?
Good times.
Quote from: Rome on June 29, 2014, 05:44:36 PM
Remember when everyone thought Marlon Byrd was going to be the problem with this collection of has-beens?
Good times.
I don't remember that.
You were drunk and it was just that one time, so...
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 29, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: Rome on June 29, 2014, 05:44:36 PM
Remember when everyone thought Marlon Byrd was going to be the problem with this collection of has-beens?
Good times.
I don't remember that.
i love sarge
so i guess that 5 game winning streak wasn't the turnaround everyone thought it would be?
They're dead. The plug has been pulled and the priest administered last rites.
farging jerkoffs
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 30, 2014, 09:01:59 AM
They're dead. The plug has been pulled and the priest administered last rites.
farging jerkoffs
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpZQvN7XKpuughv4a0zwLVv5q6iEzYWnm_sir7o3PtxGX1au0o2A51o5A)
Quote from: SunMo on June 30, 2014, 08:08:50 AM
so i guess that 5 game winning streak wasn't the turnaround everyone thought it would be?
Who thought they would be? Well, besides J...
j didnt even believe it....he just wanted it really bad
That 5 game winning streak was fun and I'm looking forward to the next one in August.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 30, 2014, 02:53:00 PM
That 5 game winning streak was fun and I'm looking forward to the next one in August.
its a long season isnt it
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 30, 2014, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 30, 2014, 02:53:00 PM
That 5 game winning streak was fun and I'm looking forward to the next one in August.
its a long season isnt it
Not if you skip most of the sucky parts like I do.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 30, 2014, 02:53:00 PM
That 5 game winning streak was fun and I'm looking forward to the next one in August.
Yep, next August.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
They will take 3/4 from ATL
lol i clicked the new button and this is the first post that came up
p.s. the phillies did NOT win 3 out of 4
:'(
LETS DO THIS!!
they lost or something again
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrfVvmXCEAAgVnt.jpg)
they were shut out again
by the way who wants chase utley. he stinks.
Burp
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnyiJa9m6jCmFfP9FSfdM4wPVYr4WU7tYqJmLXcQR2-PbWUtMxiQ)
Those people in that pic hit better than the real Phillies
winner winner chicken dinner
ben revere's obp - 310
domonic brown's slg - 317
Is anyone watching these guys anymore?
If so, why? There are a lot of good TV shows to catch up on.
im actually going back to back nights when the mets come to town in early august....hold me in your prayers
Was listening to the radio broadcast today and as Marlon Byrd stepped to the plate in the 9th, they were talking about how mad Byrd was at himself for 1st pitch swinging yesterday with the bases loaded. Then Byrd hacked at the 1st pitch and fouled out to end the game.
This is what infuriates me. It's not that they aren't good. It's that they mail it in when they're down. At least work a farging count and try to get something to hit. And it wasn't just Byrd, but I think 3 of the 4 batters in the 9th swung at the 1st pitch. They get down in a game and say farg it and seem to do everything they can to get the game over with rather than at least putting the work in.
maybe they just stink
I'm not sure whether or not I should be impressed you were listening on the radio to the phillies down 4 in the 9th.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 06, 2014, 09:23:38 PM
I'm not sure whether or not I should be impressed you were listening on the radio to the phillies down 4 in the 9th.
ha
whats ironic about the story is that marlon is their most valuable commodity
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2014, 09:13:25 PM
maybe they just stink
They definitely sink, there's no disputing that. You can be bad but still play smart, so there's a difference between being bad and being stupid. This team happens to be both.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 06, 2014, 09:23:38 PM
I'm not sure whether or not I should be impressed you were listening on the radio to the phillies down 4 in the 9th.
ha
whats ironic about the story is that marlon is their most valuable commodity
I wouldn't call it ironic. I'm not knocking the guy and saying he's the reason they suck, or that he sticks. He's having a pretty nice year so far. I just thought it was funny that they were talking about how mad he was about not being patient at the plate when the bases are loaded, but then he hacks at the 1st pitch down 4 with 2 out in the 9th.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2014, 09:13:25 PM
maybe they just stink
This. See ya'll in a few weeks when birds open camp.
Haven't seen them in a week. Best week of the summer.
kenny giles throwin heat, but they cant hit is slider either
like a boss
He'll be shut down with a labrum tear soon enough.
Career over.
It's The Phillie Way
i would trade him ASAP
the phillies are 5 years from being good (if that) and giles is unlikely to be this dominate in 5 years. that has nothing to do with him, its the fickle nature of relief pitching. 5 years into his career papeldouche didnt have the same value. neither will kimbrel. i doubt giles will still be hitting 99 after 350 more innings.
oh wait i forgot rube has the fix and by 2016 the phillies will be winning divisions again. silly me.
Kyle Kendrick.
Defend your boy, Todd.
got the win tonight, didnt he?
Last night Justin Verlander & Kyle Kendrick were the 1st pitchers to win games on the same day after allowing 5+ runs in 1st inning since Ralph Branca & Dick Fowler in 1949
the mikey miss/smug exchange yesterday was a good one.
I am surprised they can even talk to each other...the smug factor must've been off the charts between the two of them
miss was good until he tried to get on utley...of all the things to go at roob at you go with utley, who despite being old and finished is actually one of the better 2b in baseball.
amaro's answers were a different story. the man is just delusional and incapable of doing anything but being a fleshpop and trading away prospects for roy oswalt.
Papsmear wants out
Quote
So you'd like to be pitching for a contender later this month? "Of course, man," Papelbon said. "What kind of question is that?"
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Papelbon: "Some guys want to stay on a losing team? That's mind-boggling to me. I think that's a no-brainer (to want to leave)."
bye
What's your homie Roob gonna get for him? How much $$ will he eat?
Get off my team jerkoff!
I have never despised an athlete more who actually plays well.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 09, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
What's your homie Roob gonna get for him? How much $$ will he eat?
Get off my team jerkoff!
a midlevel prospect if they eat his salary, which it appears they will
detroit seems like a sensible destination. though personally i would rather keep him and have giles close instead just to make papelbon mad.
but when you have ryne sandberg, who manages games like a frightened child clutching onto The Book, that wont happen
Quote from: smeags on July 09, 2014, 01:16:56 PM
the mikey miss/smug exchange yesterday was a good one.
Unless it was an exchange of bullets I'll disagree.
about to sweep the brewers
hamels and burnett going this weekend against the dynastic nationals
sweep and they will be around 7 or 8 back heading into the break
lets do this!
Leave it to these iceholes to start playing decent baseball when they're about to be broken up for good.
It's probably a good thing that they're playing reasonable baseball, though. At least some of them anyway.
Quote from: MDS on July 10, 2014, 04:46:21 PM
about to sweep the brewers
hamels and burnett going this weekend against the dynastic nationals
sweep and they will be around 7 or 8 back heading into the break
lets do this!
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LIL GUY!
i have visions of david buchanan getting a big 6th inning strikeout of andrew mccutchen in the nlcs. VISIONS.
this team is unbeatable
Buchanan sent to AAA - Cliff to 60 day DL - Sizemore called up
Lee moving to 60 is just to help clear roster room. He will start on the 19th.
What does it matter if the Phils actually try to sell. This guy is in charge...
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b017d3c81a670970c-pi)
looks like a good picker to me.
busta buss blog from espn insider
QuotePhiladelphia Phillies fans aren't happy, and they're expressing that through the ticket office: The team's attendance has plummeted, from an incredible (and unsustainable) 44,021 per game just two years ago to the current 30,438 per game. That's a 31 percent drop-off.
The fans saw the Phillies win the World Series in 2008 and field the best regular-season team in 2011, but then the team fell back to .500 in 2012 and won just 73 games last season.
At the current pace, Philadelphia will win just 72 games this season, which is an extraordinary failure, given the amount of money the team has invested. With the problems of the Boston Red Sox, the New York Yankees and the Phillies -- three teams with massive payrolls -- 2014 is shaping up to be like a baseball version of the banking industry. Too big to fail, indeed.
Whatever the thinking was behind the Phillies' decision to hold together their core group of expensive veterans -- while adding more older players to the mix -- it is playing out to be a debacle, on the field and in the eyes of the Phillies' faithful. What this really means is that there is clear opportunity for the Philadelphia front office, should it choose to take it: The Phillies have nothing to lose and everything to gain in the last 20 days before the trade deadline. They have hit rock bottom, and they have a chance to move forward from here.
There are teams looking for pitching right now, whether it's the Yankees or the Los Angeles Angels or the San Francisco Giants or the Los Angeles Dodgers, so the Phillies have potential suitors for Cliff Lee and Jonathan Papelbon. There are teams in need of power, and Marlon Byrd's muscles could be a coveted resource in the marketplace. The Oakland Athletics would be a perfect fit for Chase Utley, as would the Giants. The St. Louis Cardinals, Cincinnati Reds and Pittsburgh Pirates, all hit by injuries in the past week, will be looking for help. The market is defining itself.
If the Phillies believe financial flexibility could help them moving forward, they can at least see what's possible in Cole Hamels' situation. They could ask teams such as the Dodgers how much Philadelphia would need to pay down to make it possible to glean good prospects, or even a great prospect.
Look, the Phillies have to know this: By the time the team is ready to contend again, Lee will probably be gone. The same is true for Utley and Papelbon.
So if the Phillies can glean any kind of dollar savings that would enable them to rebuild the roster, they might as well do it. If they can get even Grade B prospects for Lee, while absorbing a chunk of his salary, they might as well do it. They have been in a three-year spiral leading to nowhere, and they should aggressively force change and move ahead. They know from their attendance that their fan base is ready to move in another direction.
Rollins, Utley, Hamels and Lee have been all-time greats for the Phillies, and they'll be brought back for reunions for many years to come, but it's pretty apparent from the box office returns that running out the same core roster into 2015 would be like serving the same plate of cold cuts at dinner parties day after day.
The fans are losing interest in this current team. They want something new.
So Phillies GM Ruben Amaro should make deals. There are desperate teams all around baseball right now, and, although Philadelphia's outsized contracts probably will keep Amaro from making great trades, he can still make good trades, eating some dollars while adding prospects and carving out some space in his budget and building openings for a different roster that Phillies fans apparently want.
He should begin the turnover. Now.
Did you delete some gawd trade speculation from that article? His first mention in your post is just "Rollins".
They should clear out every single player over age 25 they can dump. Sad fact though is that cashing in everyone for young talent will still only yield enough return to make them a mediocre-to-bad team in the years to come, a slight improvement over their current status of one of the worst in baseball. The main benefit would be salary reduction. The other sad fact is that a bunch of those old timers have NTCs or nearly undumpable contracts.
If Amaro doesn't at least get rid of the likes of Byrd, Papelbon, and Lee, he enters the discussion of being one of the worst GMs of all time. He's already MLB's worst GM right now.
they are going to eat a ton of salary
for the life of me i cant figure out any possible plan short of trading for the second coming of mike trout that gets them competitive in 2-3 years
I don't want Amaro in charge of a goddamn thing.
Fire him first then let his replacement make the decisions.
The Phillies picked up one of Stark's half-season awards:
QuoteNL Least Valuable Player (LVP): Domonic Brown, Phillies
I was speaking with a longtime National League executive this week when Brown's name came up. The first word that came out of his mouth was "awful." Hard to disagree. A year ago, Brown was heading for his first All-Star Game. Twelve months later, he symbolizes everything that has gone wrong in Philadelphia since the glory days. He was the one prospect in the Phillies' system they didn't trade away in the fervid pursuit of another shower of confetti. He was the reason they let Jayson Werth sail off on the Free Agent Luxury Liner. He was the one young position player they decided would be the centerpiece of their next generation. So he's been shown incredible faith and even more incredible patience. But here is how he's rewarded that faith and patience so far: His .599 OPS ranks 156th of 161 big leaguers who qualify for the batting title. His .325 slugging percentage ranks 153rd. His .275 on-base percentage is 155th. Among all big league position players who have 250 plate appearances, he ranks dead last in WAR at minus-1.6. He's hit .180 with a .548 OPS in a home park that was supposed to be made for him. And when he puts on a glove, FanGraphs ranks him as the worst regular left fielder in the National League. So if Brown makes it through this season without being sent back to Farm Land or being traded for somebody else's favorite underachiever, there can be only one explanation: The Phillies can't find a single outfielder anywhere to replace him.
Brown will leave Philly, go to an AL team and become an All Star DH.
Bank on it.
The Grady Sizemore era in Philly begins now
What in God's name is going here? Sweep the best team in the NL (record wise) now beating the Nats? What gives? Up yours Smuggy.
jimmy the god is on fire
JIMMMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Jimmy chase and byrd are having effective offensive years. Rest of the offense is a dumpster fire. Jimmy has a higher SLG % than Howard now.
for the love of god you farging morons stop doing the wave
There should be nukes dropped when people do the wave.
Hundred Miles Giles' slider is farging lethal
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 11, 2014, 09:34:49 PM
Hundred Miles Giles' slider is farging lethal
you mean besides the one that zimmerman clobbered into the corner for a double
he shouldnt ever not throw his heater
He hung one. You miss the one that buckled his knees?
yeah i saw it....he threw three in the 8th inning....the one you are talking about one for a ball and one for an rbi double
i think hes given up something like 2 hits on his slider....granted its not a large sample size but its been a pretty effective secondary pitch
i know you hate this team and everything has to suck, but giles is about the only promising player they have. you can enjoy him like you can enjoy 5 more years of irrelevant basketball games.
I like him....I just don't think he had a sick slider in the 8th inning tonight....strike ball rbi double
hes a pitcher who gave up a hit
o
m
g
Quote from: MDS on July 12, 2014, 12:43:14 AM
hes a pitcher who gave up a hit
o
m
g
right after the 8th inning.....
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 11, 2014, 09:34:49 PM
Hundred Miles Giles' slider is farging lethal
you know j is worse with the phils than you are with the sixers
hes worse with the phillies than bees be with honey
Hey farg the both of youse!
PHILLIE PHEVER!
lol
you gotta give him credit, that grady sizemore is really livening things up
8 back!!
Get me to 3-4 out and I'll fire up the bandwagon
Right now I'm casually observing
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 12, 2014, 01:27:16 AM
Hey farg the both of youse!
PHILLIE PHEVER!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4_OMa5Bs8
Get Cliff Lee back and replace the entire outfield with all stars and you're right back in it!
lol
nikki vs. another ace tonight
you know how this goes
heidi
Nikki in full effect.
Soft batch bitch
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 12, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
Soft batch bitch
has anyone in sports history had a month like he did in 2008 and did nothing before or after?
here we go gawd!!
GRIT?
terrible
TIE IT UP
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 12, 2014, 09:07:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 12, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
Soft batch bitch
has anyone in sports history had a month like he did in 2008 and did nothing before or after?
:MDSbait:
Diekman :(
j: solid team that is making a playoff push
J ain't even watching just following on game day ap
farg grit for whatever mistake he made
this choke at bat is especially awful
its impossible to watch choke anymore...hes farging terrible
grit is a shell of his former self. give papelbon credit for adjusting to his diminished abilities. utley still hasnt.
Not sure what else you want from utley at this stage of his career. This year has been better than anyone could have reasonably expected out of him. Same for jimmy who is walking, hitting for power, and stealing bases.
Neither are what they were in 08 but both are still good starters which is more than you can say for anyone on the team not named Byrd (or Ruiz when healthy).
how about he throws to first base when its the only out he has
thats a start
Quote from: MDS on July 13, 2014, 03:07:16 AM
how about he throws to first base when its the only out he has
thats a start
lol
hater
that play is utley not realizing hes not 26 anymore
hes a step or two slower than he was in 2007....but yet GRIT and HUSTLE and GRIT and he has to go for the out at 2nd when it wasnt there/not physically possible for him to get. and then ben reveres throw after zimmermans single. jesus christ just cut him already. he sucks.
but hes the third best second basemen in the league
4th best offensively
though his defense is a quite horrible actually. hes definitely in the top 10, but thats as far as ill go. not bad for a 35 year old, about what youd expect.
jimmy is probably overall, all told, better at his position right now than utley is. hes a step slower but his defense is still really solid. hes got the 3rd best obp among ss. gawd.
Quote from: MDS on July 13, 2014, 12:39:04 AM
its impossible to watch choke anymore...hes farging terrible
grit is a shell of his former self. give papelbon credit for adjusting to his diminished abilities. utley still hasnt.
Totally agree with you on Papelbon. I can't stand the guy but hats off to him. He has no power left in his arm but seems to have come to that realization and is working with what he has.
july 21 for phifer
I went from asche to classy
j dub + tanner = another fantasy win
why did benny not dive there
on the bright side theyll be 10 out at the break, and jimmy the homer's little "theres a fire brewing" comment can be buried along with this pos team
QuotePhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2014, 12:16:46 AM
I think the Nats are overrated. The Braves stink because they employ the Upton brother and Dan Uggla and that's a third of their lineup that'll struggle to hit .225.
Mets? No.
Marlins? Over David Sampson and Jeff Lorias dead bodies.
Soooooo...
whoa
Braves still cannot hit consistently and what have the Nats won?
Overrated Washington Nats, fellas. That's what they are.
the phillies are the worst team in the division, by far, and one of the 5 worst in baseball
but everyone else sucks
QuoteMatt Kemp's agent, Dave Stewart, told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Kemp wants to return to being a team's everyday center fielder.
"Whatever they want to do we're favorable to, as long as it gives him an opportunity to play every day," Stewart said. "He'd like to eventually go back to center field. He's not opposed to right or left. But his hope at some point is to get back to center." Kemp has played primarily in left field since May 28, and the Dodgers don't seem in any rush to get him back in center. With a glut of outfielders and other needs, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that the team shops Kemp in the days leading up to the July 31 trade deadline. Kemp or his agent expressing discontent with his current situation won't do anything to lessen that possibility.
yea i mean...lets think logically here. the phillies are one of a handful of teams that could take on his contract, and they have something los doyers would want in papelbon (not that that would be enough, but lets say LA feels the need to move him). obviously something is up because his agent is putting his name behind this.
regardless i did the math in my head. kemp is 29. theres no possible scenario that gets the phillies competitive in fewer than like 3 years. BUT amaro doesnt think this way. he could literally try to make this deal, do NOTHING else, and say we got lee, hamels, burnett, utley, rollins, kemp, byrd, ruiz lets do it up in 2015.
am i paranoid?
No Todd, you believe!
Doyers sure do have an abundance of outfielders. We get HOF, AAA, Armless Revere. Oh, and of course MVP Byrd.
i can't believe all of the negativity over this loveable band of scrappy underdogs that leave their hearts on the field for you fans every night.
wtf is wriong with you people ?
Kemp has one of the worst contracts in the game. It's almost on par with Choke. He's not good anymore. He's serviceable, and he's been trending down for a long time. He's been zesty in left for them too, so going back to CF wouldn't help anything but his ego.
But he's not even 30 and signed through 2019!
worst contracts in baseball:
1. joey votto
2. matt kemp
yea, and thats why im worried amaro is going to do something really stupid and desperate
As opposed to his usually intelligent and rational moves...
he hasnt done anything dramatically stupid since the papelbon signing...which is really kind of impressive for him. since then hes basically tread water and moronically tried to win behind his fossils.
im worried that hell see kemp as some kind of re-invigoration for his pos team and try to build around it.
dom brown sucks, and i get that. but the whole thing about bringing him up through the minors as a right fielder, and then switching him to LF just because you signed Delmon farging Young and then bringing Ruf up and switching him to RF after being a LF in the minors because Dom was in LF because of Delmon farging Young is one of the most retarded things that has happened in years.
Quote from: SunMo on July 18, 2014, 10:20:47 AM
dom brown sucks, and i get that. but the whole thing about bringing him up through the minors as a right fielder, and then switching him to LF just because you signed Delmon farging Young and then bringing Ruf up and switching him to RF after being a LF in the minors because Dom was in LF because of Delmon farging Young is one of the most retarded things that has happened in years.
Par for the course for this organization under Amaro, though.
They could put HOF at catcher, 3B or on the Schyukill Expy and he still wouldn't be able to hit
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2014, 12:53:50 PM
They could put HOF at catcher, 3B or on the Schyukill Expy and he still wouldn't be able to hit
Maybe he should pitch?
Quote from: SunMo on July 18, 2014, 10:20:47 AM
dom brown sucks, and i get that. but the whole thing about bringing him up through the minors as a right fielder, and then switching him to LF just because you signed Delmon farging Young and then bringing Ruf up and switching him to RF after being a LF in the minors because Dom was in LF because of Delmon farging Young is one of the most retarded things that has happened in years.
he wasnt handled amazingly well. a lot of that is charlie, who simply refused to play him at various points even though his team was a juggernaut and could afford the weak link in the lineup. amaro, obviously, is a moron.
but brown sucked in rf, he sucked in lf, he sucked at the plate. he just sucks.
He just needs out of Philly. Who doesn't at this point, though?
ken giles is pretty good
paps impressing the hell out of the dodgers tonight
Jimmy the god doing what he does too
huge joe nathan blow up tonight
detroit has to be in the market. san fran, too. they cant be comfortable with santiago casilla.
solid end of the rotation guy tho....
kk has a 5.38 ERA in the last calendar year...30 starts.....highest era of any mlb pitcher
Don't you DARE rip Lil guy's man KK
Quote from: Rome on March 28, 2014, 07:35:23 PM
If these plow horses win 81 games I will personally be indifferent. I'll probably drink a lot when I watch them and then go for days without giving a shtein what happens.
Then the NFL Draft will happen and I'll spend a few days being excited about something other than porn, the LPGA and The World Cup.
Go Phils.
I've still got porn and the LPGA!
I don't think I've watched a complete game since the middle of June. A few innings of most games (or have it on in the background while doing other things), but I don't think it's actually been on my television for a complete game. And normally I'm a complete baseball junkie.
farg you, Ruben Amaro. farg you.
rube is an abomination to humanity but the phillies were always going to be horrible this year. i just dont understand how people are angry and confused as to why they're so bad.
the difference of course is behind roob they can are going to be bad for many years. where as if they had sold off parts earlier they could be decent fairly soon
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 20, 2014, 08:29:27 PM
I don't think I've watched a complete game since the middle of June. A few innings of most games (or have it on in the background while doing other things), but I don't think it's actually been on my television for a complete game. And normally I'm a complete baseball junkie.
farg you, Ruben Amaro. farg you.
I haven't watched a complete game since May. I watch more Angels and Dodgers games these days. At least I'm getting to watch quality baseball. Kershaw is from another planet. I feel lucky as I guess there's a big standoff between Time Warner Cable, which is distributing the Dodgers games, and area pay-TV providers. Apparently most of LA can't watch Los Doyers.
It's not even worth commenting on RAJ.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 11, 2011, 08:04:50 PM
last year as much as i knew they would fail i could understand the homerism and even i bought in when the playoffs started...but this year can we please not act like they have a chance of winning the world series.....they are a buch of inury riddled senior citizens whose window has shut.....so stop discussing what they can or cant do to win it all next year
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 21, 2014, 07:19:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 11, 2011, 08:04:50 PM
last year as much as i knew they would fail i could understand the homerism and even i bought in when the playoffs started...but this year can we please not act like they have a chance of winning the world series.....they are a buch of inury riddled senior citizens whose window has shut.....so stop discussing what they can or cant do to win it all next year
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I'd still rather read igy's book than read "Hard Choices".
11 hits in three innings off Vogelsong, then only 3 more in the next 6.
This team needs to be shot out of the ass of the nearest dinosaur.
I quit watching after Pence's triple.
Cliff Lee farted at the reporters during his post game PC
was it as good as papelbons fart?
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/video-cliff-lee-ends-postgame-chat-emphatic-fart (http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/video-cliff-lee-ends-postgame-chat-emphatic-fart)
Eskin tweeted earlier that the Phils have had discussions about releasing Choke
I don't believe Eskin on anything. But either way interesting.
Maikel Franco is playing 1st tonight btw
farging Papelbon. You just know he's going to ruin any value he has before the Phils get rid of him.
Lee gets shelled last night & Papeldickface gives up a rocket tonight.
They love Philly and don't want to leave.
IT COULDN'T BE CLEARER!
are they still playing
Unfortunately yes.
Some CSN Nerd named Corey Seidman: It's time to release Ryan Howard. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/enough-enough-time-move-howard)
He was also on the video clip that CSN had on top of the article. Somehow, he was almost the exact duplicate of the picture of Todd that I have in my head.
No doubt that they'll get nothing for Howard at this point, whether they eat the deal or not. If they had any kind of prospect being blocked by him, I'd say go for it, because there's no doubt in my mind that he's toast. But for Darin Ruf?
I'm not even sure that he gets picked up as a free agent by an AL team with a need at DH. Even his power is mostly gone - whether that's a physical thing or a mechanical issue with his swing or his age or a combination of those things, he's at a 25 HR pace. Basically, he's a Rob Deer at this point.
One thing for sure: If Howard leaves, Amaro better be following him out the door. That contract is the prime example of Junior's mismanagement of this team.
@JClarkCSN: Phils discussing trading Ryan Howard/eating lot of $$ or releasing him, according to @JSalisburyCSN, who doesnt envision Ryan back next year
listened to stark on miss on my drive....stark said they offered him up to AL teams essentially for free (low level prospects and very limited, perhaps performance based salary assistance). nobody bit
also eskin said the extension was on middleton and monty, not rube. i dont know if i buy that. however, roob does get a pass for lee because that was definitely on ownership (remember they were at budget, lee was out there, they OKed going well over to get him).
Nice convenient excuse there to absolve Smugly Mcfargface from blame...they're (Monty and Middleton) falling on the sword for him!
roob is pretty media savvy, hes always calling into shows, responding to texts, giving interviews. if he wanted to distance himself from the choke deal he had 1000000 chances to.
its 2 seconds. call one of the writers, say keep my name out of it, the choke deal was demanded by ownership. done. over. never happened. farg roob.
Not watching but just read that Papsmear gave up three runs.
Joakim Soria dealt to DET and Paps is blowing games left and right now.
Yay.
a few close calls but he hit a batter and walked 2...then couldnt put pence away
hes showcasing what he is. a decent relief pitcher with good stuff who cant strike anyone out. hes value is...how do i say this...not much.
Great audition for Los Doyers you French hick.
Gawd don't quit!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 23, 2014, 11:05:05 PM
Not watching but just read that Papsmear gave up three runs.
Joakim Soria dealt to DET and Paps is blowing games left and right now.
Yay.
Got in trouble with the Mrs. tonight for yelling "Dammit, Papsmear" after that performance. More specifically, when my 7-year-old daughter asked what a papsmear was. :-D
Haha awesome!
Another day another meltdown.
Great farging job by the offense, though. Thank God Choke didn't weight them down.
the king said the phillies are considering just outright releasing choke
http://deadspin.com/its-time-again-to-enjoy-miserable-phillies-fans-in-extr-1610010651
choke not in the lineup today against tim hudson who he is .328 lifetime against
That's just stupid.
yeah sandberg is pretty much a fleshpop...if you are gonna do that just release the guy....theres no need to embarrass a franchise legend
what a train wreck
reading phils are on cbss
i went to the reading phillies game for the first time in about 10 years tonight...they were basically my babysitter when i was a kid...parents would drop me off at the game then pick me up after. there was close to 10,000 people there today. and they serve 32 oz beers...and the bars stay open until even after the game. pretty wild time actually, i should not have driven home.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2014, 08:21:37 PM
reading phils are on cbss
huh? why? i thought i overheard that actually but didn't think anything of it.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 24, 2014, 11:37:37 PM
i went to the reading phillies game for the first time in about 10 years tonight...they were basically my babysitter when i was a kid...parents would drop me off at the game then pick me up after. there was close to 10,000 people there today. and they serve 32 oz beers...and the bars stay open until even after the game. pretty wild time actually, i should not have driven home.
I went quite a few times as a kid and young teen, but haven't been there in at least 25 years. Got free tickets in school and through my little league teams. Have a program from 1984 singed by Bill Dancy somewhere.
I went a couple years ago for the first time since I was a kid...fun times.
Only foul ball I've ever caught was at a Reading Phiils game. Pretty sure I still have it in some box in storage.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 24, 2014, 11:38:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2014, 08:21:37 PM
reading phils are on cbss
huh? why? i thought i overheard that actually but didn't think anything of it.
cbss travels the country and shows a minor league baseball game of the week....its pretty cool actually....not the games but wherever they go they focus on a teams history its stadium the town they play in the weird ass uniforms minor league teams rock and the crazy giveaway nights they have...etc.....but the best part of it is their sideline reporter lauren gardner....shes so hot
last night she was interviewing this cat who was the reading phillies stadium manager for like 25 years and when he retired they gave him this silver bracelet that was good for free beer for the rest of life at the stadium
they also were talking about this uniform from last weeks game that they covered.....the el paso chihuahuas
(http://totalsportswire.com/files/2014/07/chihuahuas3.jpg)
havent been there in years but i used to go to reading games alot when i stayed up there for work. pretty the only thing to do in town beyond the peanut bar.
now i just wait the the fightins' to come down to trenton to see them.
Ah, the Peanut Bar. I remember that place.
yeah man, we're talking 25yrs since ive been up there but that place had killer grub. plus lets face it, who doesnt love a floor covered in peanut shells.
liveliest discussion in months here is about the reading phillies
shows
1) the actual phillies stink
2) all of you are pennsyltucky
reading is the opposite of redneck. feel like i'm in nicaragua round these parts.
i guess
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Bast ar do :-D! He is priceless. What a piece of shtein.
He threw it underhanded, right?
Just about. Underhand would have been better. Sandberg just lifted his ass after two more hits to lead off the 7th. farging Hoydas at the bank barely booed him. Disgraceful. Take off your skirts and tear that piece of garbage a new A hole.
Can't believe I'm watching this circus. Must be Friday.
They're doing Choke wrong.
And looks like Sizemore is a good signing. He's been hitting well
choke stinks
why should be he play? this isnt a charity
anyone guess who these two players are this year....
player A - .224/.305/.377/.682
player B - .237/.298/.322/.620
Let me guess... one is white and one isn't.
that would be correct
A = ryan howards MLB numbers this year
B = darrin ruf's minor league numbers this year
lol
they could start by calling up mediocre mikey franco
hes not black OR white
All Sandberg is missing is some cornrows and a nailgun because he's put Choke in the vacants.
in a general sense i have no problem sitting choke...especially if its something like where he only plays against righties....but thats mostly if he was blocking a prospect or they had a legit replacement...newsflash to much of the fanbase they don't
this notion that permeates much of the fanbase that darrin ruf is some sort of prospect/upgrade/savoir/good player etc. is a friggin joke
It's one thing to relegate him to a platoon situation or whatever but he's been buried. And he has no one but himself to blame because it is performance related...but to bury him like this...like he's the sole reason for their struggles is ridiculous.
hes not being buried...hes sitting for like 4 games. in football his ass woulda been cut 3 years ago. but in baseball its poor wittle choke he deserves roses and hugs and kisses.
and for some reason sandberg never took him out of the cleanup spot. even today. hes still there.
because sandberg is completely out of his league as a manager...its a toss up as to whats worse his managing or his handling of the locker room
even the zesty ass cubs knew not to hire him.....he needs to go way before choke
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2014, 03:55:58 PM
because sandberg is completely out of his league as a manager...its a toss up as to whats worse his managing or his handling of the locker room
even the zesty ass cubs knew not to hire him.....he needs to go way before choke
im not fighting this...but choke really doesnt belong in an NL lineup anymore. he flat out cannot play. hes been regressing since 2008, actually. a straight up benching was long over due.
i really dont care what they do with choke....but pretty much anything including releasing him is better than benching him for darrin ruf
give ruf a chance. hes white!
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2014, 03:55:58 PM
because sandberg is completely out of his league as a manager...its a toss up as to whats worse his managing or his handling of the locker room
even the zesty ass cubs knew not to hire him.....he needs to go way before choke
This is so spot on! The fact the Cubs never hired the guy should have been the red flag. He is not a big league manager.
As i type this and speaking of people who should not be on an MLB roster, Asstardo serves up another dinger. Get him the farg out of here. Please.
Not watching again but see Antonio Arsonista served another one up
The Phillies trade chips are busted up and at the bottom of the bag
CHOKE!!
Did he give Sandberg the double finger as he rounded the bases?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 27, 2014, 02:47:15 PM
Did he give Sandberg the double finger as he rounded the bases?
he now has tied miguel caberera in home runs
went to the game today....it was really boring
just a horrible atmosphere. 2 horrible teams. no player thats exciting or interesting to watch. it really sucks.
http://www.phillyfanlife.com/phillies/2014/7/28/jonathan-papelbon-is-a-douche
I mean, is there any question about this? He definitely doesn't know how to read an analog clock. farging meatheaded sack of shtein.
For crying out loud, who the farg cares about the clocks.
neanderthal pro athlete meathead doesnt like something, so it must change
heres 60 million dollars to throw a baseball
who cares just dance monkey
america
a poem by todd
QuoteOfficials from other teams tell Stark that the Phillies are asking for each team's top three or four prospects in any Hamels deal, but they're only willing to eat about $10MM of the remaining $90MM+ on Hamels' contract. Stark quotes one unnamed executive, who told him, "Ruben wants his doors blown off in order to trade him. And you don't get your doors blown off if this kind of money is attached. It doesn't work that way."
Meanwhile, Morosi hears that the Dodgers and Cardinals are the two most likely clubs to acquire Hamels
Joc Pederson + Corey Seager + eat a lot more salary than $10M is still a hell of a deal. Who knows if LA would even be willing to do that. I want to see RAJ deal Hamels just to see if he butchers the deal or not
Also, lol'd @ Todd's poem. Well done
I'm one of the few people here who both really likes Cole and thinks he's worth what he gets. He's also probably still in his prime for 2-3 years.
That being said the phillies will blow for 2-3 years anyway so I don't see the point in keeping him because by the time they're good again, if all goes right, he'll be out of his prime. Also a different situation than Rollins or Utley because Hamels should still bring a lot back in return if they eat some $
the phillies, as an organization, refuse to admit that they stink. they are hopeless.
i can see roob's plan. get 2-3 starters for hamels. free up the cash with him, lee and burnett (retirement). trade byrd. trade papelbon. use the newly found salary space to overpay for jon lester, james shields and 1 other starter on the market. sell a playoff team in 2015.
i hate sports
A team getting Hamels with $80m on his contract is cheap compared to what pitchers are getting now. Don't cry poor, GMs, when you'll hand out $150-200m to other pitchers.
Other pitchers are worth 150 million. Colleen isn't worth 80. If he was every GM in MLB would be on his ass right now.
http://www.thegoodphight.com/2014/7/28/5945621/phillies-rumors-papelbon-and-byrd-setting-conditions-hamels-available
Quote from: Rome on July 28, 2014, 07:12:51 PM
Other pitchers are worth 150 million. Colleen isn't worth 80. If he was every GM in MLB would be on his ass right now.
based on what other than W/L
3.3 career ERA (has only had one season where his ERA was over 3.06 in the last 5).
Consistently excellent K/9 ratio. Great WHIP. Durable - pitched 200 IP or more 5 of the last 6 seasons. His playoff ERA is 3.09 (he was great in the playoffs his entire career except 09 obviously). He's reasonably young. Tenth best active career WAR for pitchers (for our MDS friends in the audience). The only player ahead of him on that list who is younger is Felix.
Burnett continues the trend of trade chips shteinting all over themselves.
lolololol
hamels has been unreal this year....especially of late
but he DOESNT WIN THE BIG GAME or something meathead pitching records bla bla bla he sucks
Quote from: MDS on July 28, 2014, 08:54:42 PM
hamels has been unreal this year....especially of late
but he DOESNT WIN THE BIG GAME or something meathead pitching records bla bla bla he sucks
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i remember there was a point when igy tried to convince everyone chris capuano was a better pitcher than hamels
No shtein? I forgot that one lol
Quote from: Rome on July 28, 2014, 07:12:51 PM
Other pitchers are worth 150 million. Colleen isn't worth 80. If he was every GM in MLB would be on his ass right now.
Scherzer's going to get ~8 years/200M this offseason. Hamels is what, 4 for 90M or so? Every GM in the league would prefer that.
So Hamels is worth a team's three or four best prospects and the 90 million left the Phillies owe him?
What part of this are you guys not understanding? If a free agent comes loose and all you have to do is pay him 150M, that's better than surrendering your best prospects and 90 million dollars for a guy who in his best year won 17 games.
Hamels is a clear legit #1 starter. I'm not debating that. What I'm saying is I agree with the unnamed GM who thinks Boob is asking a ridiculous amount for a guy who isn't worth what he's asking.
Just to clarify - I was assuming you meant he isn't worth that contract in general, not in the context of that contract + top prospects. So yeah, I think everyone agrees that RAJ asking price is ridiculous.
But... I think RAJ is saying that now, it's just posturing (unless he is really that stupid, which is entirely possible). LA can build a deal w/ Joc or Seager as the centerpiece and litter a couple other decent prospects in, and that's what he's worth. STL could give up Taveras or Matt Adams + another couple B prospects and ask Philly eat some of the salary, and that's what he's worth. These teams have good systems, and Philly should get a similar (and better) return than what they gave up for Pence. Whoever buys Hamels will have a good system. There will be a big impact player like Taveras, Seager, whoever, among several others that have solid MLB floors.
I do think the Yanks could do exactly what everyone says won't happen, and trade their top 4 and eat the salary. This is because their system is meh and their best prospects don't have high ceilings like everyone else in play.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 28, 2014, 08:54:42 PM
hamels has been unreal this year....especially of late
but he DOESNT WIN THE BIG GAME or something meathead pitching records bla bla bla he sucks
(http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/10/70/01/2326607/7/628x471.jpg)
Wow, nice car.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 28, 2014, 09:49:53 PM
No shtein? I forgot that one lol
probably cause it never happened...heidi is a good pitcher no doubt...hes just not elite and he loves giving up game winning runs in the 7th inning
Hamels is easily the best player on this team but that's akin to being the tallest midget at this point.
GRIT!
cole hamels sucks
this kind of reminds me of shady 2-3 years ago....premier talent wasting away on a terrible team. not sure if hamels will ever be this good again. perhaps he is this good because the games dont mean anything.
QuoteMatt Gelb @MattGelb 7m
Burnett's day. RT @dgoold: Matheny's comment on Sat starter possibly coming via trade and Phillies scouting Memphis
The huge smile that Hamels had when Sandberg pulled him out made me thing he heard news of being traded to a real team.
Who the hell would the Cardinals give up for Burnett? Certainly not Tavaris
They still have a solid system. If the Phils could pull off something around Stephen Piscotty or James Ramsay for just Burnett that'd be a hell of a deal. Possible since the Cards have tons of OF depth. Maybe Wong + Jon Jay or something
they arent getting anything remotely good for burnett or byrd
the only team that wants byrd is seattle. he has a no trade there. hes not going unless they pick up his 2016 option. burnett is guaranteed like 15 mil next year, which he could easily just decide to pick up.
ruben amaro. strikes. again.
I imagine Byrd has some value (not an enormous amount, but he is producing this year and seems like a viable trade chip someone in contention might want), but I don't trust Rube to pull off anything.
hes an old outfielder with a 320 obp and a ton of strikeouts
hes a nice piece for a contender...a solid upgrade for a team or two. but he aint worth that much.
He has an .800 OPS and had a .830 OPS last year. I agree he's not worth tons but he has a reasonable contract and can still hit for significant power while not being a defensive liability. I have to think they can get something out of that.
byrds value is in the fact that hes pretty much the only right handed power OF in the entire league thats available
justin masterson to the cards not burnett
What can the Phillies get for Kendrick?
(http://www.spminiatures.com/jpgfiles/manure.jpg)
probably could have gotten masterson
How hard are other GM's laughing at Roob fight now?
Smug prick deserves every bit of it too.
This inning:
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joe pos goes to the woodshed on roob
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/30/hey-rube-phillies-pay-dearly-for-amaros-misguided-loyalty/
Quote from: MDS on July 30, 2014, 03:55:02 PM
joe pos goes to the woodshed on roob
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/30/hey-rube-phillies-pay-dearly-for-amaros-misguided-loyalty/
Love that article because it admits the truth. Teams aren't going to give the Phillies shtein for any of those contracts, Hamels included. Only some deluded Phils fans and maybe Rube think there's some great bonanza to be had from a sell-off. If the Phillies manage to get any prospects who turn out to be MLB-level players in exchange for Phillies old-timers, it'll be due to pure luck. Rube's made trades where he gave up more valuable assets than they have now, and all he got was zesty prospects in return. You can keep the team intact or you can burn it down. Either way the team is still going to suck balls in 2017. The die was cast once the ink dried on those contracts.
I'd still be inclined to dump as many players not named Giles as possible, because even if there's only a 10% chance that anyone they get in return will be a meaningful part of a winning Phillies team one day, that's still higher odds than the guys they already have.
No one is arguing the Phillies farged up royally by signing these fossils to long-term deals but that's not really why the Phillies are an abomination. They're awful because the dickface in charge didn't acquire adequate replacements for them via the draft. They're terrible because the scouting staff is a joke and their player personnel philosophy is archaic. They hire clowns like Amaro because they're lifelong Phillies who take orders from people who shouldn't be running a baseball franchise... they should be heading over to the local buffet for the early bird special.
They're making the same mistakes the Eagles made during the last 10 years (until Lurie got smart and blew everyone out of the water). They're plugging and praying around a core group that simply can't win anymore. The only way out of this is to blast everyone out. They have Comcast's billions now, so they can afford the 20,000 fewer fans showing up at the park until they get good again in 4-5 years.
Or they can keep jerkoffs like Amaro around and continue to con the fans into believing they're just "thisclose" to turning it into a contender again.
the bad contracts were partially due to the fact that they havent produced a single viable major leaguer sincer KYLE KENDRICK. and he stinks.
granted they traded a decent number of those prospects away. aside from cosart and maybe singleton and santana, none of them have amounted to squat. thats the issue. they had nobody, and have nobody, pushing utley and rollins and ruiz and howard out. they had nobody to fill 3rd so they signed the corpse of polanco. they had no decent starters so they traded for doc and oswalt and signed burnett. they have no outfielders so they traded for pence and revere and signed byrd.
and thats why they might offer this cuban outfielder a gazillion dollars...hes 28....they essentially have no choice but to take a risk.
How DARE you speak ill of your boy, Kendrick. Repent. NOW!
nm
MLB network is making it sound like there will probably be no trades involving the Phillies today.
Aside from something minor like basticho for a bag of peanuts. They'll add a fringe outfielder and reliever in the offseason, give thd fans some rhetoric about players looking good and feeling healthy...and call it a day. This is the Phillies now.
Eagles
Sixers
Flyers
Phillies
Oh how the mighty have fallen
Now some rumors creeping up on MLB Network:
1. Burnett to Royals - talking, but not close
2. Byrd - RAJ asking price too high (shocker), but "probably will be moved"
Quote from: SD on July 31, 2014, 11:25:37 AM
Aside from something minor like basticho for a bag of peanuts. They'll add a fringe outfielder and reliever in the offseason, give thd fans some rhetoric about players looking good and feeling healthy...and call it a day. This is the Phillies now.
Eagles
Sixers
Flyers
Phillies
Oh how the mighty have fallen
its really bad now but whats gonna be downright ugly is in 2017 when pretty much every contract of significance will be off the books and they have no young talent to replace any of the departing players...particularly when it comes to position players....there is a ray of hope when it comes to the mound
There is no hope until Amaro is gone.
QuoteJon Heyman
Baseball Insider
Phillies said to be asking for big prospects back for Marlon Byrd
July 31, 2014 10:51 am ET
More MLB: Power Rankings | Expert Picks | Latest news & notes | Fantasy news
The asking price for Marlon Byrd is said to be extremely high, with interested teams saying the Phillies would have to lower it to move him.
Byrd should be among the Phils' most movable pieces, but there's no certainty he goes at this point.
Word is, the Phillies handed Seattle a list of three good prospects, and suggested the Mariners pick two to send for Byrd. That seemed to scuttle things, though Seattle's other hurdle was that Byrd has a no-trade there (and three other places) and was asking that his 2016 option be picked up for him to approve a trade.
But, according to a person with knowledge of the talks, the Phillies believe what they've been offered for Byrd, considering his production, is "embarrassing." In some cases, that person said, the bids are pitchers with 5-plus and 6-plus ERAs.
Byrd is having a nice year, but his $8 million salary for next year gives some teams pause, much less the option for '16.
The Yankees have checked in, as have the Royals and some others.
this amaro guy is pretty damn crafty.
3 hours to go and still no moves
i cannot wait to see how roob spins this catastrophe
Boston makes the Phillies look like third rate clowns.
Quote from: Rome on July 31, 2014, 01:04:09 PM
Boston makes the Phillies look like third rate clowns.
Rome, the Phillies make the Phillies look like third rate clowns.
Looks like Byrd is going to the Yankees...no word on the return yet but it'll probably be shtein
Now Yankees are saying it is not true
he couldnt even move basticho
truly ruben amaro is a man for the ages
9/7 cant get here soon enough.
QuoteKen Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 46s
No trades for #Phillies.
lol
:fire (http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b017d3c81a670970c-pi)
Papsmear says he's encouraged that Smug kept the team together!!!
lol marlins got cosart
i love this...i hope he wins the cy young...farg you amaro
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2014, 04:19:02 PM
lol marlins got cosart
i love this...i hope he wins the cy young...farg you amaro
Just heard that. Miami could be really good the next few years of Loria can stop being a farging cheapskate douche.
Matt Gelb @MattGelb 33s
Amaro said Phillies did not ask for "top prospects." Criticized other GMs for not being aggressive enough.
i cant...i just cant do it anymore.
The other GMs were not aggressive enough. David Price and Jon Lester got traded on the same day.
Your garbage players suck you horse's ass. They're old and overpaid and no one wants them.
God I'd love to punch that mongrel in the face.
He's the worst person in Philadelphia sports history.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/ScreenShot2014-07-31at65011PM_zps1f581e72.png)
When ESPN nerds start mocking you, its time to farging fire some bitches.
guys andres blanco just singled
amaro's plan is coming together
lol cliff lee hurt....elbow again
can someone please just kill amaro please please please
Hahahahaha unreal
Hahahahah farging shteinbag Amaro
@JeffPassan: If Cliff Lee's elbow is worst-case scenario, the Phillies are going to pay him $37.5 million in 2015 and he probably won't throw one pitch.
had the chance to trade him last year, but roob sensed something brewing in 2014
only 11.5 out!!
Great day for the Phils. Can we cap this off with a Papelbon blown save, please?
October 2, 2011 a date which will live in infamy. Thanks Cliff.
Just pulled up this little tidbit about that game:
QuoteLee gave up 12 hits, the first pitcher to do that in the postseason since Detroit's Nate Robertson in 2006 and the first NL pitcher since Larry French of the Cubs in 1935.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 31, 2014, 08:49:55 PM
Great day for the Phils. Can we cap this off with a Papelbon blown save, please?
:-D
So... when's the Tommy John scheduled?
Murphy rails on the front office. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/phillies_trade_deadline_2014.html)
QuoteThe whole situation serves as a microcosm of why the Phillies currently find themselves in such dire straits. At no point over the last five years has the current regime offered any proof that they have a good feel for projecting players or markets, or for limiting their exposure to risk. They drastically overpaid for Papelbon. They fooled themselves into thinking they could compete this season, prompting them to hold onto Cliff Lee instead of moving aggressively to deal him in the offseason (or at last year's trade deadline). They guaranteed A.J. Burnett more money than the Braves ended up guaranteeing Ervin Santana.
And thats just the caboose of this train wreck. Some much more carnage in the other cars. Go Conductor Smuggy, go!
Nice win last night, though. Sizemore has been a pleasant surprise so far. I'm tryin' here...
:puke
sizemore is 31 or 32 and is the most talented young position player they have
fact
Quote from: MDS on August 01, 2014, 10:08:19 AM
sizemore is 31 or 32 and is the most talented young position player they have
fact
Not a bad guess. Just checked - he's 31... until tomorrow.
Quote from: Rome on August 01, 2014, 07:32:40 AM
Nice win last night, though. Sizemore has been a pleasant surprise so far. I'm tryin' here...
:puke
They won AND Braves, Nats of course, Marlins all lost. We're all tryin'.
I know it doesn't really matter but I wish CSN would invest in the pitch tracker. Papsmear threw some good shtein here against the boy wonder, two of which looked like pretty damn good throws.
10.5 out
Epic run coming??
burnett and hamels next 2 nights
alls im gonna say
One will have his arm fall off, the other will spontaneously combust.
They'll sweep the Natskins and then lose the next 10 straight.
Bazinga.
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2014, 12:02:33 AM
burnett and hamels next 2 nights
alls im gonna say
ill be there tomorrow for hamels stras....YAY!
Rockin a fresh new curly W hat and a Lastings Milledge jersey
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 02, 2014, 09:45:55 AM
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2014, 12:02:33 AM
burnett and hamels next 2 nights
alls im gonna say
ill be there tomorrow for hamels stras....YAY!
historic moment...the run is here. can you sense the magic?
whoever said they will sweep the nats and get swept by the astros is correct
the astros arent horrible
singleton is going to tear up buchanan and kendrick
singleton is awful
he was...but he fixed his swing and hes been a homer machine
Grady Sizemore is the game changer! He will lead this run. Hop on!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2014, 12:01:06 PM
Grady Sizemore is the game changer! He will lead this run. Hop on!
Second best Sizemore in Phillies history!
(http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/ted_sizemore_autograph.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2014, 12:01:06 PM
Grady Sizemore is the game changer! He will lead this run. Hop on!
j aint playin
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2014, 12:01:06 PM
Grady Sizemore is the game changer! He will lead this run. Hop on!
j aint playin
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 02, 2014, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2014, 12:01:06 PM
Grady Sizemore is the game changer! He will lead this run. Hop on!
Second best Sizemore in Phillies history!
(http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/ted_sizemore_autograph.jpg)
Me, you and Don are the only ones here to have seen that guy actually play.
I never saw him. I was born in 79!!
Your Phils memories start with Glenn-Bo!
Quote from: Rome on August 02, 2014, 02:51:02 PM
Your Phils memories start with Glenn-Bo!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOVUzkwCAAAWFhq.jpg)
1987-1988 is about right.
Burnett & Sandberg both got thumbed for arguing balls/strikes.
6-0 Natskins.
So much for the sweep.
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2014, 11:39:45 AM
he was...but he fixed his swing and hes been a homer machine
Inside the parker for him tonight
is he hitting over .200 now?
.188
been on a good stretch the last week or so. realistically hes still an AAA player, but since the astros are a joke upon a joke of a joke he can work out the kinks for 2 years at the ML level
Quote from: Rome on August 02, 2014, 01:48:03 PM
Me, you and Don are the only ones here to have seen that guy actually play.
You took the words right out of my mouth! I have on numerous occasions been tempted to drop the Ted Sizemore comment but figured I'd get a lot of "Ted who?" replies.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
1987-1988 is about right.
You qualify for one that has had his heart ripped out by this organization for a majority of his life category.
choke with another 0/4, 2 more ks, now hitting .215
great subplot of the season is his mendoza watch
how bad was the phils offense between thurs at 10 and today at 430
singleton vs. choke this week is gonna be interesting
right now they are playing choke to try to make it seem like they want to keep him. its pathetic. when sandberg benched choke it angered roob because it took away his "trade value." but if hes playing every day, it makes it seem like the phillies want to keep him (it doesnt and they dont).
2021.
nola called up from clearwater to start for reading tomorrow night. :yay
Choke homered.
Wow.
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/5/5972831/the-mets-gave-away-toy-trucks-with-the-phillies-logo
I love that the Mets are so dysfunctional.
Pitchers looking good tonight. Even Kendrick. Too bad the lineup sucks donkey shtein.
im pretty sure both teams just suck
@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Hamels claimed on revocable trade waivers by unidentified club. #Phillies have 48 hours to work out a trade or pull him back.
that happens every year. it's not news. farging stupid ass twitter.
It would be news if it were Howard that was claimed, because that would be one incredibly stupid GM.
Quote from: Rome on August 06, 2014, 07:07:46 PM
that happens every year. it's not news. farging stupid ass twitter.
When you're 11 games out in August and your GM just proclaimed 2 more years of horse shtein, it's pretty much all the news we'll get. Agreed that it is complete dribble. You'd think Rosenthal would be above it.
Cliff Lee doesn't need surgery but is still likely done for the year ever.
can he play shooting guard ? call hinkie !
Fausto to the Dodgers for 2 PTBNL or cash. O'Sullivan was called up to pitch tonight
season's offically over.
Ruben's first deal!
Teams are finally being aggressive enough
Is this Hernandez guy any good? Can you guys give me the fans perspective on him? Strengths/weaknesses?
he has a high motor
Quote from: hbionic on August 07, 2014, 03:37:48 PM
Is this Hernandez guy any good? Can you guys give me the fans perspective on him? Strengths/weaknesses?
He pitched a lot better when he was Fausto Carmona. It was almost like he aged three years instantaneously when he became Roberto Hernandez.
Really, a name change or did they find his real birth certificate?
Quote from: hbionic on August 07, 2014, 04:02:32 PM
Really, a name change or did they find his real birth certificate?
They found his real birth certificate. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7480419/fausto-carmona-cleveland-indians-arrested-accused-using-false-identity)
It was a few years ago. Basically, he's a #4/5 in a rotation. Been decent for the Phils this year (6-8, 3.87 on a offensively horrific team), but was a disaster the first few years after he was caught with the false identity.
me and sunny went to the r-phils last night...drank a bunch of free 32 oz beers and i think the phillies won.
cutter dykstra was playing center field for harrisburg but did not see meadow soprano.
cubs claimed heidi
I'd do it for Baez and Alcantstaragshs whatever that long ass name is.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 07, 2014, 06:05:26 PM
cubs claimed heidi
gotta pull the trigger if they offer 2-3 of their top guys
needless to say but they arent going to be good while hamels is good
Choke says "eat my ass, mds" tonight.
grandpa pooped in the toilet tonight
hooray
and then he flung it right at your face.
Grady Sizemore is on fyahhhhhhhh
Odds they farg this up?
High.
How fitting on Roy's night... Came up just short.
grady sizemore
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2014, 10:02:30 PM
How fitting on Roy's night... Came up just short.
The main thing is no one died of heat exhaustion.
Time for Von Brown to be the hero...
OK, I can't even keep a straight face typing that one.
Another stellar night of offensive support for Colebert.
he didnt get the win, as usual
all about the win
Phillies claim Jerome Williams off waivers. (http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2014/08/10/phillies-claim-williams-off-waivers/)
Sean O'Sullivan designated for assignment.
At this point, it'd be better to sign Ted Williams' allegedly frozen head.
QuotePhillies @Phillies 2h
For who? For what? RT @ASAPnicky: I'll never forget Aaron Rowand's speech after the wall collision #TheManTheMythTheLegend #RowandChat
Lol Rowand with the Philly knowledge.
Twitter sucks.
If Tom McCarthy says, "Big Piece" one more farging time, I'm hiring a hit man to take his ass out.
Ok not really but yeah, murderdeathkill.
PS: Todd's mom takes it balls deep.
maikel franco is hitting .350 with 5 hr and 30 rbi in the last month
Did you watch the post-game interview with Howard?
Holy shtein, man. Absolutely comical in a rage-inducing way.
If we keep this up we're gonna be ok!
Hilarious.
you should tweet that
Is it possible to tweet a suicide?
If so, get on it.
it would be very difficult to hit send on the tweet and die at the same point, but i can try
will you at least post something on facebook about it? in the least snapchat it.
Quote from: Rome on August 10, 2014, 06:27:08 PM
Is it possible to tweet a suicide?
If so, get on it.
lol
Quote from: MDS on August 10, 2014, 06:29:19 PM
it would be very difficult to hit send on the tweet and die at the same point, but i can try
will you at least post something on facebook about it? in the least snapchat it.
How about this from Instagram?
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/ScreenShot2014-08-10at62937PM_zps3994c1cf.png)
romey is on fire
haha thats great
Good job the last few posts fargfaces
oh should we be talking about the big win today? huge hit for howard!
best bottom of the rotation pitcher ever
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2014, 08:57:52 PM
Good job the last few posts fargfaces
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/ScreenShot2014-08-10at62937PM_zps3994c1cf.png)
:-D
Quote from: MDS on August 10, 2014, 09:00:28 PM
oh should we be talking about the big win today? huge hit for howard!
In an otherwise worthless season, I do still get pretty excited when any of the core guys from 08 do something like this at the end of a game. It's one of those years where I really don't care about the team itself, but if Rollins or Choke or Grit do something in a clutch situation , I'm still going to celebrate it.
Choke could hit a go ahead home ahead hr in the top of the 9th and Paps could blow the save in the bottom half of the inning and I wouldn't care about the loss at all. I just like seeing a few of my favorite players do well, especially if it's in a big moment of the game. And always against the Mets.
^^^
such an on point post
i can see his point...but for me utley and rollins are in a different class than choke and hamels. the latter 2 i have no real special feeling for.
choke doesn't have the longevity of chase and gawd but thats jim thomes fault....however he had almost as much to do with their great years as jimmy did
im so scared his legacy is gonna be tarnished by the train wreck that the end of his career is gonna be
it already is
nobody remembers what he did 05-08...alls people are gonna remember is him withering in pain during the final out of the 11 nlds and the subsequently disastrous 5-125.
with that said he gets huge cheers during the reunions and what not.
if you were wondering why antonio basticho has no trade value....
Why is that miserable piece of shtein still in the big leagues?
Ha - I went to bed right after the top of the 6th and missed that shteinstorm. :yay
if only the other GM's were more agressive and willing to give fair value back for basticho.
:paranoid
Rube did the ice bucket challenge (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10154534472080492)
the comments are a gold mine
QuoteIts a shame he didn't do the Robin Williams challenge
QuoteAmaro just gave the ice bucket a five year extension.
Haha nice
jimmy gawd's it up at the end
http://m.mlb.com/phi/video/topic/8877464/v35279151/phillies-congratulate-taney-dragons-for-reaching-llws/?c_id=phi&partnerId=as_mlb_20140815_29813856
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 14, 2014, 05:13:07 PM
QuoteIts a shame he didn't do the Robin Williams challenge
HA!
Quote from: MDS on August 15, 2014, 05:07:32 PM
jimmy gawd's it up at the end
http://m.mlb.com/phi/video/topic/8877464/v35279151/phillies-congratulate-taney-dragons-for-reaching-llws/?c_id=phi&partnerId=as_mlb_20140815_29813856
Jimmy the Gawd!
Lol at Grit's cutoff batting gloves like he's in some biker bar
Any doubt that Mo'ne Davis would strike out Choke?
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/phi/general-manager-ruben-amaro-jr-formulating-plan-for-phillies-future?ymd=20140814&content_id=89602622&vkey=news_phi
Awesome.
Nice game tying homer by Asche.
We won!
and now we lost.
The goddamn circus in the 6th inning was embarrassing for a professional team.
Dropped infield pop up between Grit and Choke
Grit then tries to flip the throw to 2nd and its terrible...errrrbody safe
Then the wheels come off...and mds' BFF Kendrick stomps off the field
Give up a Baltimore chop RBI...and a blooper into LF
Awful.
the KK and bustardo meltdowns are the only things left worth watching.
Kendrick apologizes for "unprofessional" behavior last night. (http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2014/08/17/kendrick-apologizes-to-ryno-discusses-future/)
Don't worry, Kyle. Nobody was watching the game anyways.
They're just putrid and deserve to be totally ignored. In fact, the only Phillies "news" I want to read is Amaro's professional epitaph. Other than that, farg 'em.
if they played darrin rough theyd be in the least 3 games back of the nationals
One of the Taney kids during intros "My favorite player is John Mayberry Jr"
the farg??
I heard that! Did you hear my 'WTF?" over the pacific. I fear for our youth.
this is more exciting to watch than that pile of horse shtein Monty & Co. have assembled.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 17, 2014, 07:33:32 PM
I heard that! Did you hear my 'WTF?" over the pacific. I fear for our youth.
I was cutting watermelon when I heard it and almost cut my finger off
if you thought wheels and tmac were bad, you have not listened to gregg murphy and jamie moyer
Quote from: MDS on August 18, 2014, 09:28:29 PM
if you thought wheels and tmac were bad, you have not listened to gregg murphy and jamie moyer
That lasted about an inning. It's been Franzke and LA since.
Burnett has been farging awful this year.
$16M for nothing but garbage
he was actually really good in april...may to mid-june he was bad...from then until late july he was great. and after that its been bad.
but consider
-hes injured
-hes a veteran on a horrible team and is surely checked out
-he only decided to pitch this year when a team close to house paid him an ungodly sum of money
all things considered does it really matter. does it?
It matters because our lord and master His Smugness decided to piss away $16M. But whatevaaa
I wish I could cancel EI and get a refund.
Turned this shtein off
the money is totally meaningless. even if burnett decides to come back next year, it wont hurt them. theyre going to suck for a long time...16 mil for 2 years of burnett will not factor into that one iota.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2014, 09:49:26 PM
I wish I could cancel EI and get a refund.
Next year get at me to split MLB.tv, I've gotten the premium version the past few years splitting it with a few others and it comes out to basically free
In.
mds mentioned doing that this year and I decided not to. Next year? In.
They had the money and had no other choice but to spend it on Burnett. Turns out it was money wasted, but like the little guy said, it really makes no difference. This team has to be blown up and rebuilt and the first step has to be to fire Amaro.
i didnt get EI this year and i wont get it again until they can at least put some legit young talent on the major league roster...i dont care if they win 60 games ill watch as long as im watching their future and not a bunch of broken down ancient pieces of shtein
you mean utley and rollins
GRIT
choke
burnett
phifer
chooch
AAAberry
byrd
etc....
other than giles and hes a relief pitcher theres not one single player worth watching on the team except jimmy who gets a lifetime pass...shtein i could watch jimmy walking from the dugout to the batters box and pre cum
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2014, 11:10:06 AM
shtein i could watch jimmy walking from the dugout to the batters box and pre cum
about damn time you came out.
monty told a bunch of women at the baseball 101 thing they do that amaro is not on the hot seat
i just dont know what to do
maybe they have already decided to fire him
i thought for sure he was gone, but now i honestly dont know. ill believe when i see it.
or maybe he knows that stupid girls don't know what the hot seat means am i right fellas.
POTY
lol SD agrees!
I told you they are not firing him. We're stuck with that farging guy for at least a year or two more.
so i was in cc today. on the walk back i passed through the taney watch party they had going. free soft pretzels and water. philly.
anyway they were handing out free phillies tickets for either monday, tuesday or wednesday vs. igy's nationals. i dont know whether thats good or extremely pathetic.
free ticket handouts is never good
ESPN showed the attendance for the LLWS game and it was 34k and then showed the Phils attendance today was 25k
its good in that itll get young kids out to the park, but the fact that they were indiscriminately handing out vouchers for 2 tickets for a game next week is really sad.
but yet, the gm is not on the hot seat. but yet they need a 12 year old baseball team to do well to justify handing out tickets at a watch party. but yet. but.
yet.
So.... Washington takes over CBP and gets some revenge?
nationals might never lose again
The Clearwater Phils team is in Daytona tonite. It's also dollar beer night.
Should I go or watch the Birds?
you paid twenty bucks to watch the birds live
They be on tv, yo.
Last chance to see the future of the Phils!
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2014, 10:25:42 AM
They be on tv, yo.
Last chance to see the future of the Phils!
get sling box. problem solved.
They're on NFL NETWORK.
No slings or boxes required, sir.
First beer extinguished. Bazinga!
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2014, 04:17:15 PM
They're on NFL NETWORK.
No slings or boxes required, sir.
actually all of the eagles games are airing/did air live on nfln, so congrats on those 20 bucks.
I have every single preseason game at my fingertips. That shtein is priceless, bitch.
Quote from: Rome on August 21, 2014, 09:05:39 PM
I have every single preseason game at my fingertips. That shtein is priceless, bitch.
six pack in at this point ?
Ha! And then some.
Also -
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/reports-red-sox-sign-rusney-castillo-72m
farging billionaire Phillies owners can suck a fleshpop.
Really not too upset because I knew they'd be outbid. What pisses me off is they just signed a mega billion deal with Comcast yet they're still not willing to upgrade their team when all they have to part with is money.
im all for destroying the phillies, but not throwing 72 mil at a mediocre unknown talent isnt a bad thing. plus the last thing they need is more long term, bad contracts.
its not really about money for the phillies. their payroll is nearly 200 million...they spend plenty. they just dont do it correctly.
It's not going to be anywhere near that next year.
The Red Sox aren't exactly spend-thrifts and they've won 3 World Series in 10 years by doing things exactly like this.
The Phillies, on the other hand, have more than enough money to out-bid anyone and they say farg it and sign 35 year old dinosaurs instead.
farg this team.
Quote from: Rome on August 22, 2014, 05:46:17 PMThe Phillies, on the other hand, have more than enough money to out-bid anyone and they say farg it and sign 35 year old dinosaurs instead.
farg this team.
they cant compete dollar for dollar with the yankees, red sox and doyers. they didnt spend 75 million on a unknown cuban with limited power and questionable talent. boo farging hoo.
i dont understand the "phillies are cheap" comments. they spend 16 million on aj burnett 2 seconds before the season because they were desperate for a mediocre pitcher. they're stupid, not cheap.
the difference btwn the phillies and the red sox isnt money its that adrian gonzalez josh becket and carl crawford are on the dodgers and cliff lee chase utley and marlon byrd are on the phillies
They can't compete dollar for dollar with the Red Sox financially but they have a larger payroll outlay.
Got it.
they have the larger payroll because the red sox are run by competent people that dont throw money at everyone who helped them win one measly world series....in fact after the gonzo, crawford, beckett debacle the sox actively stopped trying to have a humongous payroll.
what do you want the phillies to do? sign more high priced veterans and have a 250 million payroll? do you want 83 wins that badly?
sox had the third highest payroll last year when they won the series and the highest in the major leagues below the tax
the sox are almost always going to win out over the phillies in a head to head....at the same time they both spend way more than enough to win...money is not the deciding factor as to who is going to be a better team in any given year....its competency in the scouting dept front office and ownership
also a lot of the reason the phillies cant compete with the sox for players is because the phillies are seen as a joke of an organization both here and internationally while the sox are revered
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2014, 07:01:33 PM
sox had the third highest payroll last year when they won the series and the highest in the major leagues below the tax
the sox are almost always going to win out over the phillies in a head to head....at the same time they both spend way more than enough to win...money is not the deciding factor as to who is going to be a better team in any given year....its competency in the scouting dept front office and ownership
also a lot of the reason the phillies cant compete with the sox for players is because the phillies are seen as a joke of an organization both here and internationally while the sox are revered
but if they werent so cheap they could sign that cuban player ive never heard of or seen and then theyd win the world series
yeah that guy never at any point considered the phillies regardless of money....short of maybe giving him a nats werth type of deal where first and second bidders werent in the same ballpark
the phillies spin on losing him is all along they were really interested in the 23 year old cuban corner outfielder with power. hes going to go on the market in the winter.
im sure he wants to play for this team.
i thought he was 27
the second cuban? yasmani tomas
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/power-hitting-yasmani-tomas-leaves-cuba/
They'll end up with Tomas Perez
Your boy getting rocked again tonight buddy
That last play... :-D
wins
hamels - 7
kendrick - 6
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haha... awesome.
the best part of that shot is the look on the driver's face. like, holy shtein this is my life. kill me now.
Haha that's funny.
I think I saw where TMac and Moyer were in costume too
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=272439621
Another part of the ownership group is dead
send them all to liberia
thank god....what is that fraud middleton gonna do when the bucks all go. he cant hide forever.
How many more to go?
Was working OT, figured it was too nice to sit inside all day so I bought SRO tickets. Crowd was surprisingly upbeat. Rollins hit a homerun to left. They won.
10.5 out
the nats might not lose 10 games the rest of the year
2nd wc
your nats have the division locked up. curly w power.
Heard on the radio that it was the first time since the end of April that the Phils had won two series in a row. Nuts.
The washed up pitcher from Hawaii is bringing um' back!
the phillies still dont know if they want to bring up franco...big concern is playing time
there cannot be a worse run organization in baseball, and that includes the padres
they could be the worst in all of sports right now....i mean when other general managers are mocking them on the record you know you are a travesty....hell even peter gammons who is a pretty calm guy and rarely ever kills people ripped them to shreds
i saw a tweet that this is the 14th time the phillies are using this lineup, which is the most for 1 combo in baseball
Don't want to get that service clock started too early!
they brought up asche last year, i dont think thats it.
really they are concerned about how it looks with choke. they are paying him 25 mil and if they call up franco, choke becomes a 25 million dollar bench player which is a pr disaster. plus if they call him up now they are basically giving up on choke which means they are throwing away 60 million.
Is it that, or that they don't want to start the clock on the service time?
7/8 plus hit for the cycle in a doubleheader the other night.
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/mike-adams-regrets-stealing-money-phillies?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
only 9.5 out ... i believe !!
Jayson Stark was on the radio last night pointing out that Hamels is having a top 5 season this season.
And apparently, since some arbitrary date in May, he's only allowed one more ER than Clayton Kershaw.
He's been stellar... unfortunately, you, me and igy can give more run support than he's gotten.
Quote from: Munson on August 26, 2014, 07:32:42 PM
Jayson Stark was on the radio last night pointing out that Hamels is having a top 5 season this season.
And apparently, since some arbitrary date in May, he's only allowed one more ER than Clayton Kershaw.
Well he's having one of his top mid inning meltdowns right now. He was cruising along until top 7.
And then surrendered the lead on a homer to Assdribble
Giles is an animal
Nice dance off the mound by Giles after that K.
Nice job by Revere, Rollins and Ruiz to manufacture that run. An assist goes to replay for them overturning the out call on Ben
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Joe Table all time Phillies save leader? Did not know that. Scary thought.
typical nicole to cough up the lead
meanwhile parker lewis the phillies can't lose
Quote from: Don Ho on August 26, 2014, 09:44:39 PM
Joe Table all time Phillies save leader? Did not know that. Scary thought.
Right there is the Phillies history of mediocrity in a nutshell.
Looks like MAG will be called up......two months after Salisbury declared he'd eat his shoe if MAG made any contribution at all to the major club this season
In Salisbury's defense just because MAG is being called up it doesn't necessarily mean he'll contribute.
hamels trashing ryno again. zero respect from the players. what a selection by amaro.
Well then Hamels shouldn't have given up the lead. Wahhhh
Sandberg made the right call to remove him as he'd lost his location.
its not really about it being the right or the wrong call...its the fact that they are complaining. the players clearly dont think its a big deal to show up the manager on the field or to the press, so they do it. they can rightfully be mad about whatever, but that shtein is supposed to stay in the clubhouse.
didnt this happen once with that pos white trash loser myers and manuel? chuckles damn near decked him. ryno is a non entity. tissue paper soft. players step all over him.
that was classic heidi last night
He blows the lead then bitches when the skipper gives him the hook. Joe Torre would have thumbed him. LaRussa too but because it's a rookie manager, omg worst manager evar!
Yep. Classic Heidi indeed.
(http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/10/70/01/2326607/7/628x471.jpg)
hi haters
That was so long ago the car he won will soon be eligible for antique plates.
[igy]he should give it back because it wasn't a real world series win[/igy]
No one, at least I am not, is hating on him. But he shouldn't be twatty if he gets yanked for giving up the lead
MDS and IGY always hate on him, wtf are you talking about?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2014, 09:13:41 AM
[igy]he should give it back because it wasn't a real world series win[/igy]
now of course if the nats beat the royals for the WS this year it will be a monumental event.
Quote from: SunMo on August 27, 2014, 09:14:38 AM
MDS and IGY always hate on him, wtf are you talking about?
I was still asleep when I wrote that.
i dont think the lil guy hates him at all
i dont hate him like you do, but hes a farging bitch
not concerned with hamels whining about sandberg but brown and bucannon should be tossed in tullytown landfill.
sitting in eskin family seats tonight, 3 rows back of the nats dugout. it's my one game of the year and of course Kendrick is pitching and they are trotting out the same tired old lineup.
at least i can yell shtein at harper
game delayed 30 minutes because they are honoring 12 year olds
Quote from: SunMo on August 27, 2014, 03:57:24 PM
sitting in eskin family seats tonight, 3 rows back of the nats dugout. it's my one game of the year and of course Kendrick is pitching and they are trotting out the same tired old lineup.
at least i can yell shtein at harper
You and Eskin boys or what?
Maybe Sunny was involved in that Tim Hortons/Burger King deal.
Could be...Sunny and The Chief chillin' and talking Phils!
In addition to yelling at Harper...please scream shtein at Kendrick.
Another first inning run...with more probably coming
Todd...defend your boy...AGAIN
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2014, 07:48:12 PMTodd...defend your boy...AGAIN
Early in the season, when this madness began, I thought MDS was right. Kendrick was a legitimate late rotation starter. Nothing great, nowhere near as disastrous as his critics were treating him.
Those days are long gone. Kendrick flat out sucks these days. Maybe he's lost whatever he had, maybe the team being terrible has just drained the effort out of him. He shouldn't start for anyone next year, but someone (hopefully not the Phils) could be desperate enough to throw a tiny one year deal at him.
yea basically what qb said
kendrick, before this season, was a solid 4-5 guy. for whatever reason he was despised by the meathead wip fan base. this year hes been an atrocity and is only in the rotation because the phillies dont have any better options. not one, actually. its really, really sad.
kendrick has always been a number 6 at best
thats just not accurate, but whatever im bored talking about this
lets talk about pitching decisions and bunting
lol
and he gives up an upper decker to Denard Span
KK...take a hike to Minnesota or some other shteinhole baseball outpost
Sizemore!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2014, 09:41:51 PM
Sizemore!!
lol...the phillies have been a soft team but they really should retaliate for revere getting plunked. someone needs to grow a pair.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
KK...take a hike to Minnesota or some other shteinhole baseball outpost
Um, that's pretty much all Philly is these days.
Shut your whore mouth!
Jimmy with a fantastic play to end up.
Swept igy's curly w's!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2014, 06:06:00 PM
the nats might not lose 10 games the rest of the year
Now they can only lose 7 more
watch out san fran st louis
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2014, 06:06:00 PM
the nats might not lose 10 games the rest of the year
Now they can only lose 7 more
what do they have like 30 games left?
23-7 is not out of the question
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2014, 07:09:29 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 27, 2014, 03:57:24 PM
sitting in eskin family seats tonight, 3 rows back of the nats dugout. it's my one game of the year and of course Kendrick is pitching and they are trotting out the same tired old lineup.
at least i can yell shtein at harper
You and Eskin boys or what?
my wife works with his sister.
there were a bunch of nats fans in our section including this beast of a woman there by herself, face chiseled from granite, keeping score and cheering for every player with this high pitch squeal "Cmmmonnnnnnn Bryyyyyyyyyce!" I started doing that when the phillies came back.
after harper struck out looking in his third at back i gave him a bunch of shtein, he spit out his gum and tried to hit it with his bat and missed. i yelled that he can't even hit that and got many laffs from the people around me.
haha so Large Marge is a Nats fan eh?
QuoteRyan Howard had three hits while Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins had two hits each in the Phillies' win over the Nationals. It's the 40th time that Howard, Utley and Rollins all had at least two hits in the same game since the trio started playing together in 2004. The Phillies are 34-6 in those 40 games.
phillies 6 minor league clubs are a combined 253-360 an avg of 17.8 games under .500
http://m.buckscountycouriertimes.com/sports/phillies/phillies-president-david-montgomery-taking-medical-leave-of-absence/article_0235f264-13a6-59ea-94a2-20634d99dd27.html?mode=jqm
Oh jesus...Sizemore dropped a can o corn
looked like he has money on the mets
(http://i.imgur.com/fbIY6FS.gif)
lol photoshop a P in the middle of it.
Or lil guy with a bubble saying "I HATE JOSEY"
im pretty sure he doesn't really know who josey is...his new thing is to be anti establishment....like his hinkie hatred
fight the power, lil guy!
If Josey came from Temple he'd be balls deep on him
i know who josey is but i dont care who the 8th string running back is
if shady goes down they can hand me the ball for all i care...or duce...or for who for what...farg it bring back keith and heath
anyway the phillies still suck
starting pitching OUT
bats and bullpen IN
QuoteAdam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN 31s
Ryan Howard now hitting .423 (11-for-26) with 7 homers and 16 RBIs in his career against Dillon Gee. #mets #phillies
Choke with his 30th and 86th ribbie today
A.J. being A.J. again.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
QuoteAdam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN 31s
Ryan Howard now hitting .423 (11-for-26) with 7 homers and 16 RBIs in his career against Dillon Gee. #mets #phillies
Choke with his 30th and 86th ribbie today
try 20
also has the most at bats in the league with RISP....team is trying to pad his stats to be make him look desirable for a trade to an AL team that wont happen because everyone knows he sucks
I thought it sounded wrong when McCarthy said 30, but I didn't bother to check. Just chalked it up to normal Philadelphia announcing ineptitude in the post-Harry era.
choke is beyond lucky to hit 20....this team is so horrible and inept there's nobody to take at bats from him, or the balls to bench him
watching choke try to run is just sad
yeah thanks for the wrong info TMAC....sheesh
oh well
they lost and I hope Mejia dies
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=273238331
it was pretty obvious thats what they were doing
after 100 games sandberg was like "yea ive seen enough outta choke. lets get some other guys in there." three days later choke is playing every day. gee i wonder wha ha happened
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 31, 2014, 04:17:39 PM
I thought it sounded wrong when McCarthy said 30, but I didn't bother to check. Just chalked it up to normal Philadelphia announcing ineptitude in the post-Harry era.
TMac knows no one is watching so he could have said 50th and all 7 people watching would have missed it.
Jerome Williams is the only reason I even check on this shtein shtein now. Like I said earlier this is what the abyss looks like when a washed up journeyman pitcher from the islands is the ace of your staff.
Nice work today AJ.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 31, 2014, 08:06:45 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 31, 2014, 04:17:39 PM
I thought it sounded wrong when McCarthy said 30, but I didn't bother to check. Just chalked it up to normal Philadelphia announcing ineptitude in the post-Harry era.
TMac knows no one is watching so he could have said 50th and all 7 people watching would have missed it.
not j...he would have caught it.....then believed it
I heard it and posted...my apologies....I blame the beer and the fact that I was actually watching them play
yeah that was your first mistake....the watching them thing
There wasn't shtein else on....last Sunday without NFL so I was stuck
i watched maria literally quit in the third set
MAAAYberry traded to Toronto for some 3B named Gustavo Pierre
QuoteJerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 2m
Gustavo Pierre has a .282 OBP in 2,112 minor league plate appearances. Great name, though. #phillies
92/552 bb to k rate
hes walked 92 times in over two thousand at bats
lol wtf
That is amazing.
Solid deal, Smug
Trading something of zero current value for something of zero future value.
roob shoulda held out until he got encarnacio and bautista....what a horrible gm
Here comes anti-establishment mds - nice to see you again, buddy!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2014, 11:08:13 PM
Here comes anti-establishment mds - nice to see you again, buddy!
lol
Quote from: MDS on August 31, 2014, 11:04:33 PM
roob shoulda held out until he got encarnacio and bautista....what a horrible gm
He already tried that before the July trade deadline.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2014, 11:08:13 PM
Here comes anti-establishment mds - nice to see you again, buddy!
im sorry roob sucks! get some guys who knock in runs, like ryan howard. he's due for a turnaround 2015!
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 31, 2014, 11:13:18 PM
Quote from: MDS on August 31, 2014, 11:04:33 PM
roob shoulda held out until he got encarnacio and bautista....what a horrible gm
He already tried that before the July trade deadline.
they have the worst organization in baseball and traded rubber toe hernandez and john mayberry jr. thats it, thats the list.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2014, 09:03:48 PM
MAAAYberry traded to Toronto for some 3B named Gustavo Pierre
That kid from Taney must be suicidal tonight.
for some reason i was reading facebook comments on the phillies page and a ton of people were upset about the mayberry trade, saying he didnt have a chance here
what?
They're idiots.
That's the only explanation
all the guy needed was a chance. maybe some talent.
Franco getting the call tomorrow. Youngest position player for the Phils since 2000
nice grab byrdman
franco wont play every day...will platoonish with choke and asche and will get 3 games in vs. oakland
because the ryan howard trade value is going to skyrocket
Hamels had a no-no going thru six but he had 108 pitches so Sandberg pulled him.
El Oh El
They're three outs away from a no-hitter.
Giles' stuff was just disgusting today, incidentally.
Revere has 5 RBIs....jeez
And is there any doubt Papsmear is going to farg this up?
HOLY shtein THEY DID IT.
hahahaha nice!
Hamels struggled mightily with his command and allowing SBs but nice recovery.
I thought for sure that was a punch shot into RF
Fun game
fargin awesome
First combined no-hitter in Phils franchise history
Chooch's third no-hitter. Awesome.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
Choke with his 30th and 86th ribbie today
56 rbi in one game? Gotta be a record.
Where is MDS to shtein on the no hitter??
combined no hitters are wack
Sniffles.
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v35861177
Ridiculous catch by Byrd.
i guess they are saving his arm for 2017.
If anyone needs a reminder why Papelbon needs to go take a gander at his post-game interview with Kurkjian on ESPN.
Seriously.
Fist. Face. Repeat.
haha hes such a fleshpop
what did he say
Kurkjian asked him how he felt being mobbed at the end, and Paps was sarcastically effusive about how excited he was.
Or you can hear it for yourself. (http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=340901115)
There are two videos before the one with Paps.
Here's the link:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:11449492
Quote from: Rome on September 01, 2014, 04:35:52 PM
Chooch's third no-hitter. Awesome.
Record is 4 (Jason Varitek)
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 01, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
combined no hitters are wack
I think you can make the argument this was the least important no-hitter of the 286 in MLB history.
- Combined, with the longest stretch being six innings, so no great individual effort.
- Late in the season, for a definite non-playoff team.
- Away game, in front of some of baseball's worst fans.
Schoenfield with some real talk (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/51050/hamels-a-bright-spot-in-phillies-mess)
lol if Revere wins the NL batting title.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 01, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
combined no hitters are wack
Pretty much. "Hey, remember that time the Phillies used 4 pitchers to no-hit the Braves?" will say no Phillies fan ever.
The fact that 3 relievers, 1 of them being Papsmear, have their names associated with a no hitter makes me feel dirty.
They're actually unbelievably rare occurrences. There's only been 11 of them in the history of the Majors.
Quote from: Rome on September 01, 2014, 10:26:44 PM
They're actually unbelievably rare occurrences. There's only been 11 of them in the history of the Majors.
It's rare because it's not very often that guys throwing a no-no are taken out. Hamels wasn't lights out or anything. CG no hitter or gtfo.
Quote from: Rome on September 01, 2014, 06:20:28 PM
If anyone needs a reminder why Papelbon needs to go take a gander at his post-game interview with Kurkjian on ESPN.
Seriously.
Fist. Face. Repeat.
HA! Impossible to like this douche, even when he's part of a no hitter.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 01, 2014, 09:47:25 PM
Schoenfield with some real talk (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/51050/hamels-a-bright-spot-in-phillies-mess)
lol if Revere wins the NL batting title.
Just put my fist through laptop. How farging true is this?
QuoteRyan Howard. He's fourth in the NL in RBIs, which is enough of a trap that Amaro probably thinks he's even having a good year
QuoteJason Heyward's 3 SB most in a no-hitter since 1900. Only other man with 2 SB: Frank Chance -- in 1903!
Hamels needs to be traded next year. It is our best chance at building a base. Someone please murder Amaro.
The minor league regular season ended yesterday
Lehigh Valley finished 66-78 and last place
Reading finished 66-76 and tied for 5th/last place
Clearwater finished 49-89, worst team in the Florida State League
Lakewood finished 52-84, worst team in the South Atlantic League
Williamsport finished 33-43 and last place
I know the minor leagues are for developing players and the records don't matter as much, but when you throw in the shteinastic major league club, goddamn this was a brutal year for the organization
really?
No Todd, I was joking
The Phillies Way!
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 02, 2014, 02:59:21 PM
No Todd, I was joking
easy chill! i wasnt questioning the accuracy of your information, it was more of a...well of course.
anyway there's finally a reason to watch: franco playing tonight
0-4 with 4k's
J you out on franco?
Nah of course not
I hope he does well. I'm expecting a HOF like flop tho
would you rather have choke or franco start at 1b next year
Good one.
Quote from: MDS on September 02, 2014, 07:15:25 PM
would you rather have choke or franco start at 1b next year
Wait and see on that .... if Franco hits .087? No.
Death
Taxes
Kendrick sucking footlong cock in the 1st inning
Givens.
no i want a decision right now...but i guess since your going to judge franco on 50 plate appearances, you made it
Want in one hand and shtein in the other, son...let it play out
lol
you are obviously in love with choke and in the context of a stupid message board question cant disparage him. ill go ahead and do it for you: choke sucks, franco might not.
QuoteMatt Gelb @MattGelb 14m
"Ruben was here," Pat Gillick said. "All of a sudden he didn't get dumb overnight."
Born dumb, Pat. He was born dumb.
HA! yes, he's been a dip shtein for some time Pat.
Gillick's just keeping the spot warm. He'll have no real power to change anything.
Franco RBI
i want choke
I want to choke you. How's that?
"next caller is Todd from Temple. Todd you're on 94WIP"
"Yeah I just wanna give props to Kendrick! He settled down and pitched well.Yeahhhhhhh. Wooooooooooo!"
*click*
lol this is the typical bullshtein kendrick start that he strings together once in a blue moon. but its a thing of beauty, aint it? kinda like ryan howard 2015. bounce back! stay in the minors, franco. you might stink.
Kyle usually pitches well against the Braves (and at Turner Field since it holds his flyballs), the big scary ball of fire wasn't in the sky to distract him like usual, and the Braves offense sucks. Got the lead and the bullpen shut em down. Brooms tomorrow
Good point...hopefully they can sweep them and then farg the Nats up too
lol @ big scary ball of fire...
17-13 over the last 30.
the run has started !
MAG made his debut. He hit 96 several times but had no control
aumont part 2 ?
Yeah...MAG is Spanish for Aumont
ken giles gave up a homer in his first appearance
he sucks
I don't believe what I just saw.
I don't believe it.
Holy shtein.
Lolololol Nats
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2014, 10:37:16 PM
I don't believe what I just saw.
I don't believe it.
Holy shtein.
Revere only has 546 to catch up to Michael Jack. ;D
Hahaha
Two outs and two strikes and Soriano gives it up to him?!
Untuck bitch!
trashing talking when youre 1000 games out of 1st....not a good look
Nats falling apart defensively in the 11th.
Yo Todd...zip it and enjoy the spoiler role the Phils are playing to igy's curly dubs
Now it's the Phils' turn to fall apart.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2014, 11:28:53 PM
Yo Todd...zip it and enjoy the spoiler role the Phils are playing to igy's curly dubs
its fun when they win sure, but you gotta remember how zesty they are. there aint nothin to say.
also revere just said "its one of those diddles" so im gonna go ahead and just wait for 2017
Revere is playing really well...I hope he wins the batting title and can swipe 50.
lol at that dope Harper running into Span and dropping HOF's fly ball.
hes certainly hitting well, but he doesnt walk and he still throws like a girl
a 346/358/396 slash line post-all star break is pretty good, but when 95% of the hits are singles it doesnt really do much. overall hes probably a ML starter, in the least a 4th outfielder. the phlllies could do a lot better than him, though he is the least of their concerns.
He certainly fits a leadoff hitter role though - the one that THE PEOPLE burned up the WIP phone lines for years over. Small ball playing, base stealing, slap hitter.
Yeah he does need to walk more...but he's having a nice season.
revere is not a starting ML player but if he was he bats 8th...his obp is slightly above average....he has 11 walks this year lol...and he averages 30 rbi a year...hes the guy you use to try and make sure your pitcher doesn't lead off next inning
and lets not even get into his defense
Did you eat lead paint chips as a child?
http://youtu.be/Bq6VT4m9MA4
haha... exactly the scene i was thinking of when i posted that, sassy.
well struck.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2014, 02:54:25 AM
He certainly fits a leadoff hitter role though - the one that THE PEOPLE burned up the WIP phone lines for years over. Small ball playing, base stealing, slap hitter.
Yeah he does need to walk more...but he's having a nice season.
the people are idiots...slap hitters stink. i mean philly is an old school blue collar town thats full of dumb inbred meth addled white people. and then theres the people that call wip.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 06, 2014, 05:22:56 AM
revere is not a starting ML player but if he was he bats 8th...his obp is slightly above average....he has 11 walks this year lol...and he averages 30 rbi a year...hes the guy you use to try and make sure your pitcher doesn't lead off next inning
and lets not even get into his defense
his problem the last 2 years has been horrible starts. if he hits 260 or 280 in a month, his obp is still under 300. and again its all singles...he has no power whatsoever. and of course, his defense.
if he hits about 320-330, theres a place for him somewhere in baseball, perhaps as a starter on an AL team where he can bat 9th. but its very, very thin. hes such a one dimensional player. if hes not hitting 330, hes barely a bench guy.
I think he's definitely a starter (there are always worse outfielders around the league than what Revere is now, including at Phillies LF), but towards the bottom of the barrel. And definitely not at CF and not as a leadoff guy. He's the guy you trot out there in the corners if you have to and you don't feel too awful about it if he comes cheap (which Revere does), but you're always looking to upgrade. I think he needs to stay a .300 hitter (not .330) or his value plummets to below zero immediately. Nonetheless he's maybe the 20th worst problem the Phillies have, so maybe that's why people can be confused into thinking he's playing well.
Also Revere is worse than Vance Worley (3.05 ERA), who they traded away for him.
vance is a smoke and mirrors starter...hes a better version of david buchanan. very replaceable pitcher.
revere cant be a LF...he has no power. he can barely hit a double. you cant have a corner outfielder with 2 career homers. the game is fazing slappy's out, theres really no position for him anymore. 2B is the really the last vestige of small scrappy do's. but even then you have utley, cano, neil walker, jason kipnis.
yeah i was just about to say you cant have a corner OF with 1 hr and 40 rbi
revere also has a 0.9 war...thats horrible
if hes back next year, its not a huge thing. they arent close to being good and they really dont have a CF prospect in their farm system that he would be blocking. but if they were to trade hamels, getting back a CF would be my priority. you can find corner guys...byrd they just got, yasmani tomas will be available, stanton in 2017--theyre out there.
Quote from: MDS on September 06, 2014, 01:06:19 PM
revere also has a 0.9 war...thats horrible
if hes back next year, its not a huge thing. they arent close to being good and they really dont have a CF prospect in their farm system that he would be blocking. but if they were to trade hamels, getting back a CF would be my priority. you can find corner guys...byrd they just got, yasmani tomas will be available, stanton in 2017--theyre out there.
His WAR is that because he's skewered defensively. His OWAR is 3.0 which certainly is sufficient to start. Problem is he's one of the worst defensive outfielders in baseball. I mean, if you're going to cite WAR at least acknowledge that it refutes your own point about his offensive worth.
lol at war.....quadruple lol at owar but even if you don't think so
1 hr and 40 rbi in a good year plus watching his arm and angles in cf trumps all
the guy should not be starting in the major leagues on anything more than a last place team with no future and even then i question it
no lol at oMAR
ooooo nerd fight
his stats to me are misleading....i dont see the value in a slappy happy that can string a bunch of singles together. and then theres his defense.
Do you guys think he is worse than Dom (8 HR, 58 RBI)?
Arguing about Ben Revere and using sabremetrics...I didn't think this thread could get any worse. Bars been lowered boys.
Quote from: SD on September 06, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
Arguing about Ben Revere and using sabremetrics...I didn't think this thread could get any worse. Bars been lowered boys.
I thought it was better than the Eagles thread where the argument was over whether anyone is happy with the Eagles winning 10 games every year without winning the Super Bowl.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 06, 2014, 01:33:25 PM
Do you guys think he is worse than Dom (8 HR, 58 RBI)?
no hes better than brown...but that really doesnt mean much since brown is perhaps the worst everyday player in baseball
the phillies need a new outfield, starters, gm and manager.
apples and oranges but all things considered id much rather see HOF in the phillies OF than revere
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 06, 2014, 01:29:03 PM
lol at war.....quadruple lol at owar but even if you don't think so
1 hr and 40 rbi in a good year plus watching his arm and angles in cf trumps all
the guy should not be starting in the major leagues on anything more than a last place team with no future and even then i question it
no lol at oMAR
It's splitting it between offense and defense. My point was simple - if MDS is using war to show he sucks, might as well present the whole picture because what his WAR shows is he's a good, not great offensive player (this year) who is AWFUL on defense.
I'm not leading the Ben revere bandwagon. I don't think he's good enough offensively to be a DH and he can't play the field. But a 100 OPS+ with 43 SBs has use on a team. No real arguing that. Unfortunately I don't see him getting better on defense, and I don't think there's much more of a ceiling on offense.
Browns as bad defensively and exponentially worse hitting. Barring some huge change he won't be in the league in 3 years. This is all irrelevant though as the phillies will be lucky to win 70 games next year with or without either of them.
juan pierre wound up having a 13 year career, and he was terrible...revere can hang around. if you hit 310 and steal 50 bases somebody is going to give you a job playing baseball. it may not be a great job, or a starting job, but itll be something. old school meathead back of the baseball card geezers do have front office power.
Quote from: MDS on September 06, 2014, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 06, 2014, 01:33:25 PM
Do you guys think he is worse than Dom (8 HR, 58 RBI)?
no hes better than brown...but that really doesnt mean much since brown is perhaps the worst everyday player in baseball
No disagreement there, just seeing where you guys are at. HOF is a disaster.
I think Revere would be useless on most teams, but he has a place on *some* teams and right now the Phillies are one of those teams. I value the singles and SBs more than you do. The defense sucks, the power doesn't exist. Not sure exactly what to make of the walk situation since he could probably stand at the plate for an hour against most pitchers and not see four balls. But he gets on base enough and swipes bases enough to be worth something.
yea as a 4th outfielder....hes not a bad, all be it non traditional, pinch hitting option. he wont strike out, he wont hit into a DP, he can make an out and turn it into a hit. i dont mind him in that role.
i have no illusions about HOF developing into a major leaguer but whatever low % it may be he still has some hope...id rather see him trotted out there and hope he finds a genie in the bottle than see revere who is what he is and has zero chance to ever be anything else
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 06, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
i have no illusions about HOF developing into a major leaguer but whatever low % it may be he still has some hope...id rather see him trotted out there and hope he finds a genie in the bottle than see revere who is what he is and has zero chance to ever be anything else
I get it. From both an entertainment and a potential standpoint, you can make an argument for HOF over Revere. From a production standpoint, nah.
yeah theres no debating who the better player is....but when you are as bad and hopeless as the phillies are you look big picture and revere is not in it where as HOF is (barely)
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 06, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
i have no illusions about HOF developing into a major leaguer but whatever low % it may be he still has some hope...id rather see him trotted out there and hope he finds a genie in the bottle than see revere who is what he is and has zero chance to ever be anything else
this is fair...but in reality i think both are gone by next season
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 06, 2014, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: SD on September 06, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
Arguing about Ben Revere and using sabremetrics...I didn't think this thread could get any worse. Bars been lowered boys.
I thought it was better than the Eagles thread where the argument was over whether anyone is happy with the Eagles winning 10 games every year without winning the Super Bowl.
Not even close
Speaking of HOF...it bothers me how unnatural and uncomfortable he looks catching even the routine fly outs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2014, 02:54:06 PM
Speaking of HOF...it bothers me how unnatural and uncomfortable he looks catching even the routine fly outs.
if they could combine HOF's tracking with ben rizzy's glove work they might have an outfielder
You ok since your W's are about to get swept??
7.5 out!
Meanwhile in DC...
Hamels is getting his usual lack of run support, and balked a guy to third that eventually scored the go-ahead run. Just walked a guy in the 8th and is looking rather pouty. McClure gave the ump a pretty good chewing when the ump came out to break up a mound meeting. Actually surprised he didn't get tossed - credit to the ump for letting him get his argument in.
Natty Lights up 3-2 over the Geezers.
did heidi really give up another GW run in the 6th or 7th inning of game?
i turned it on and choke struck out to end the game
time is a flat circle
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 07, 2014, 06:35:50 PM
did heidi really give up another GW run in the 6th or 7th inning of game?
time is a flat circle
Quote from: MDS on September 07, 2014, 08:57:05 PM
i turned it on and choke struck out to end the game
time is a flat circle
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 07, 2014, 06:35:50 PM
did heidi really give up another GW run in the 6th or 7th inning of game?
time is a flat circle
HA! That is priceless Todd! Love it.
somewhere in houston, Houston J is yelling into the humid air, demanding Amaro continue to pay $13 million for relief pitchers and re-sign Jimmy, Chase and Choke to extensions
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/09/ruben-amaro-moron.html
i've made it to September without watching an entire phillies game this year.
And your life is all the better for it.
Franco and Galvis looked sharp last night
McCutcheon is a farging freak. Just hit his first career inside the park homer, well with a little help from that gem in CF Revere.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 10, 2014, 05:04:27 PM
i've made it to September without watching an entire phillies game this year.
I tried to today. Seriously, it took every bit of inner strength in my soul not to shut off the ipad. I finally caved in top 8th and switched to an episode of Dexter.
papelbon acting like....just a giant dickhead
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154639068030492
Asche walk off
2015
1b utley
2b asche
ss jimmay
3b franco
lf YASMANI TOMAS
cf ?
rf ?
impossible to predict rf/cf because it hinges on who they trade hamels for (a must deal), if they swap brown for another prospect failure, if they can get something for byrd, etc. but i will say that slappy noodle arm revere can bounce and so can marloln byrd and his 310 obp.
who cares
if they have tomas, franco, asche, and 1-2 other youngins in the lineup i will care a lot. if ben revere, byrd, choke and the other geezers are back i will not care at all.
thusly....
all those young guys are terrible "prospects"
if they have any talent and I doubt they do its all in the lower levels...give me some crawford or nocci or get the hell out of here
you said giles was terrible like 4 months ago...you dont know anything. franco is about as promising as it gets. and tomas can absolutely rake.
asche is rather middling, and it remains to be seen if he can even play 2B. his 710 ops is 12th among qualified 2B, 19th among 3B. so a little position change and all of a sudden his bat is average. plus hes only in his 1st year. could get better. got plenty of time to see.
never said that.....ive only ever said that its stupid to get excited over a relief pitcher....but as usual you are insanely off base
lol at franco being as promising as it gets...unless you mean for the phillies organization and even then hes not even close to as exciting as HOF was
The only reason to watch these clowns is Ken Giles. Good God that eighth inning was something to behold. Granted it was the Marlins and it's not like he smoked Mike Stanton or anything, but holy shtein. His stuff is straight up FILTH.
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2014, 01:52:19 AM
you said giles was terrible like 4 months ago...you dont know anything.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2014, 02:02:51 AM
never said that
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2014, 03:02:49 AM
lol @ giles
hes the classic minor league phenom who will crash and burn when brought up
yea?
hes a reliever who has pitched 10 games...settle down....they suck then they are good then they suck again
most relief pitchers, sure. but theres a handful of guys that are just GOOD. kimbrel, chapman, jansen, etc.
will giles be this good long term? of course not. its borderline impossible to keep it up. hes unhittable now. but theres no reason to believe he cant become an elite relief pitcher.
ill believe good things will happen to a ruben amaro phillies team when I see it
throw all the blame you want at roob for the team being a disgrace...its on him right now. but he set them up to win world series in 09, 10 and 11. they didnt do it. thats not on him.
he didnt do shtein....those were still 99% gillick/wade teams
you give gillick way too much credit...he walked into a situation with howard, utley, rollins, ruiz, burrell, victorino, hamels, myers and madson. all in their primes or close to it. he also drafted poorly. part of the reason they suck now is the gillick and early amaro drafts resulted in exactly nothing.
gillick simply added. didnt do anything big. werth was a great find. lidge a great trade. moyer and blanton solid deadline adds. stairs, too. romero he found on the scrap heap. it was mostly little tweaking like that. the core was in place.
the first lee trade that roob made was brilliant, and needed, since that was the season hamels' vagina flared up. the halladay trade was great, the second lee trade asinine. from there, trading for oswalt and pence were dumb, signing lee again was putrid. but he kept making them better short term and worse long term. again, it aint his fault they couldnt do it.
ask jimmy and chase and choke.
1. wade/arbuckle - built a world series caliber team
2. gillick - won the world series for them
3. amaro - poop
seems fair...though the free pass the team gets for 09-11 and the encompassing blame amaro gets is simply incorrect. but hes such a horrible gm and been such a fleshpop in real life i cant really begrudge people for just saying its all his fault.
very rarely is there a team that doesn't win a title because of a coach....andy might actually be one example....it almost always falls on the players and that def was the case with those teams
but that doesnt change the fact that amaro is a pos
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2014, 12:41:14 PM
very rarely is there a team that doesn't win a title because of a coach....andy might actually be one example....it almost always falls on the players and that def was the case with those teams
but that doesnt change the fact that amaro is a pos
fair
and a key to remember: if amaro doesnt make those horrible trades or throw stupid money at choke...theyd still stink. name 1 player they traded away in that run that's come back to bite them. singleton? he isnt hitting his weight. villar? lol. cosart? middle of the pack starter. drabek? lol. they drafted beyond poorly during that nl east title run and that was their downfall.
amaro's problem is the moves he doesn't make not the ones he does
if there was a god he wouldn't have been able to stop this teams demise....they had a once in a lifetime crop of young players who more or less all came up together...and then all got old together....its the circle of life
the problem is roob has added on like 5-7 years to an already long rebuilding process
well all knew this was happening...except for like J, donho and 95% of the fan base.
but lets say after 2012 roob call it quits with this team. doesnt re-up hamels, trades lee, didnt sign choke, doesnt extend jimmy or chase. what the hell do they do? they had NO talent in the minor leagues to call up. it was always going to take this long...unless you hire a different gm who drafts totally different players post-wade and arbuckle.
in theory he trades most of those guys and they have prospects now who are in double A and on the cusp of coming up or at least relatively close....as it stands the system is completely bare with no end in sight until a few more drafts
the team would still be terrible right nowl....but there would be a little daylight at the end of the tunnel...right now the light in the tunnel is a train
also the sooner you become really bad the sooner you start getting really high draft picks that are more likely to pan out
the most likely trade they wouldve made was lee, howard and maybe papelbon to the doyers...basically instead of what the red sox did.
Quote@JeffSkversky: Phillies have had the best bullpen in MLB with a 1.97 over the last month #Phillies
Way to little, way to late.
franco, who sucks because ruben amaro was the gm when he was drafted, with an rbi hit and some nice plays at 1B
where homer j at? you still on team choke?
I'm on team get better I don't care how team, son!
franco is a joke....lol at attaching yourself to him
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2014, 08:27:02 PM
franco is a joke....lol at attaching yourself to him
giles was going to flame out...franco is a joke...bla bla bla
lets remember this gem and double back in a years time
cant wait
So there's a game on.
@KNegandhiESPN: Who will he blame? Fans? RT @ChrisVito: Jonathan Papelbon just made an, umm, questionable gesture to the fans as he was exiting amid boos.
@BroadStBeat: Haha Papelbon grabbed his crotch because he got booed. Got kicked out of the game. Was pushed by Joe West and now threw PowerAde at the ump.
http://deadspin.com/jonathan-papelbon-ejected-for-grabbing-crotch-at-booing-1634651203
papelbon said he had to make adjustment to his dick
so anyway heres another POS athlete that has been a complete cock, but his behavior has been enabled for decades because he can throw a baseball well (or used to be able to). please continue cock worshiping these mongoloids everyone. thanks.
How long do you think he gets suspended for that display.
Papsmear being Papsmear.
they didnt do anything to brett myers when he beat his wife...they stood by all the steroid users theyve had.....unless the media forces their hand, teams and leagues enable any and all behavior. whatever it is.
nothing will happen.
Just the physical touching of Joe West will get him something.
lol at suspending someone for a crotch grab
I'm not defending that icehole Papelbon but Cowboy Joe West is the biggest horse's ass in the history of the sport. I'd punch him right in his chicken necks.
I'm with Rome about Joe West, but one constant is no touching the umpire.
Another constant is you don't eject a home player for reacting poorly to the fans. Christ - an ejection for grabbing his cup?
Again, I hope Papelbon never throws another pitch for the Phillies, but come on... West is the worst sort of activist umpire who thinks he has the right to dictate the ebb and flow of a game. farg him.
this is important stuff
romey rants are the best
better than shore?
or just more active?
nothing is better than shore
nothing
Papelbon suspended seven games and fined for grabbing his bird yesterday
they were being no hit in the 5th...shifted hof brown...he bunted for a hit
what a piece of shtein
Williams pitching well, but getting zero support.
Maybe he'll grab his crotch towards this abysmal lineup!
Ha, two outs in the 9th and Cashner buzzes Revere's tower on an 0-2 count.
Quote from: MDS on September 15, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
they were being no hit in the 5th...shifted hof brown...he bunted for a hit
what a piece of shtein
get outta here...its the 5th inning of a 1-0 game. Settle down, Curt Schilling.
Quote from: MDS on September 15, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
they were being no hit in the 5th...shifted hof brown...he bunted for a hit
what a piece of shtein
A no no in the 5th is meaningless, especially when it's only 1-0. If it's the 7th or beyond and youre down like 4 or 5 runs and you bunt just for the sake of breaking up a no hitter, then it's a fleshpop move. Otherwise who gives a shtein?
its 2 horrible teams going absolutely nowhere...trying to win the game my black ass
be a man and get a hit SU.
and they shifted him too right?
More reason to bunt.
The Padres are mad because they never had a no-no...they can eat a fleshpop
least surprising thing ever you are homering it up
its a cheap move from a terrible player on a terrible team in a meaningless game. the eagles are 2-0. farg it.
I checked with Brian McCann... breaking up a no-no in the fifth with a bunt is acceptable.
If it's good enough for McCann, it's good enough for me.
straight cashner homie
nm
Quote from: Rome on September 16, 2014, 08:17:58 AM
I checked with Brian McCann... breaking up a no-no in the fifth with a bunt is acceptable.
lol good one
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I need a big performance from lester tonight for fantasy....no chance he doesnt rape this lineup right?
I'm betting on Oakland so he better
The Phils have a private workout with the Cuban slugger Tomas today
If the Phils lose 2 of 3 in Miami, they clinch last place........and since Todd loves how I keep track of draft picks, the Phils have #9 right now and will clinch a top-11 protected with a couple more losses (they're 3 games up on #12 with 6 to go)
new highlights of yasmany
hes short and fat but his swing is short and compact. so theres that.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/yasmany-tomas-highlight-video/
How many? Yasmany!
I have off school tomorrow (Thanks, Todd!) and am thinking about taking my son to the Phils-Marlins game in Miami. It's time to teach him how to properly boo a zesty team.
lol...you gotta love the jew power. like 10% of the workforce/student body is jewish and maybe 1/4th of those people actually give a shtein about the holiday. but do we ever know how to whine and get our way. enjoy the free day!
Geo, you and the 45 other people in attendance have fun. Is it Marlins last home game?
turned it on just in time for the final moments of kyle kendrick
tears in the eyes
yet we still get Papsmear!
Quote from: Don Ho on September 24, 2014, 08:59:47 PM
Geo, you and the 45 other people in attendance have fun. Is it Marlins last home game?
Not sure, but I got two tickets four rows from the field on the first base side for $40. I'm sure Choke will be able to hear my encouragement!
Quote from: MDS on September 24, 2014, 09:16:57 PM
turned it on just in time for the final moments of kyle kendrick
tears in the eyes
Their first (and probably only) double-digit winner this year and it comes in game #158. If he and Cole finished at 9 wins, it would've been the first time since 1945 that the Phils went a full season without a 10+ game winner
congrats to choke on his 25th golden sombrero tonight
what an honor its been to watch this guy play
Last place clinched for the first time since 2000!
Quote from: MDS on September 25, 2014, 07:44:29 PM
congrats to choke on his 25th golden sombrero tonight
what an honor its been to watch this guy play
My son: "Doesn't he EVER hit the ball?"
Me: "There was a time, long ago..."
Oh, and Diekman? Thanks... thanks a ton.
Is anyone seriously still watching this dreck?
I would rather watch an IGY-Todd 8-hour "Wire" podcast than this shtein.
Quote from: Rome on September 26, 2014, 06:25:04 AM
Is anyone seriously still watching this dreck?
I would rather watch an IGY-Todd 8-hour "Wire" podcast than this shtein.
I was watching that drek in person yesterday, thank you very much!
Diekman... :boom
Oh, in that case... lolol
The Phils clinched a top 11 pick in the draft, which means they can blow $15M/yr on some #3 pitcher without losing the pick
Smug rubbed himself raw upon hearing that news
What middling starter is available!?
Kyle Kendrick?
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2014-09-25/worst-mlb-players-2014-everyday-jeter-howard-upton-bruce-butler/
a true honor
The Cuban is transitioning back to starter in spring training
Quote from: MDS on September 26, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2014-09-25/worst-mlb-players-2014-everyday-jeter-howard-upton-bruce-butler/
a true honor
Howard worst at 1st, but check out the runner up.
Phillies fired Wolever
Yay
When they fire Amaro, I'll start to give a shtein again.
Until then they're treading the same lukewarm filthy water they've been treading for three years.
They've got to do more than fire RAJ to get my attention. I'm not sold on Sandberg either, not to mention that a new GM would still need 5 years to make this team respectable again.
all they need to compete is yasmany and to get rid of the geezers (yes that includes utley, sorry homers)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2014, 07:35:33 PM
They've got to do more than fire RAJ to get my attention. I'm not sold on Sandberg either, not to mention that a new GM would still need 5 years to make this team respectable again.
there is nothing to get excited about next year...get me some top flight prospects in the system and im back in...oh also the nats need to switch divisions
nothing right now, no
if they sign tomas and trade hamels, that woud change. but i dont forsee those things happening.
QuoteBut the Phillies amateur drafts have had more misses than hits in recent years, especially among position player talent. The Phillies find themselves in last place in 2014 in part because they haven't had a second wave of in-house talent to complement Hamels, Howard and company.
In the 12 drafts since Hamels was selected with the 17th overall pick in 2002, the Phillies have drafted the following players with their top picks: Greg Golson, Mike Costanzo, Adrian Cardenas, Kyle Drabek, Joe Savery, Anthony Hewitt, Kelly Dugan, Jesse Biddle, Larry Greene, Shane Watson, J.P. Crawford and Aaron Nola. Those players played in a combined 5 major league games this season.
the phillies downfall is more about player development than drafting
drafting in baseball is a total crapshoot...nobody really knows who is what. a lot of it is pure luck.
Thank God this is farging over.
John S. Middleton's Hollywood producer son decided to speak out on Twitter:
QuoteTo whom it may concern, I have not read these articles - not because I'm not interested in fan opinion but rather because false conjecture bothers me - but I have heard from friends in Philly there is wild speculation today over the Phillies. Remember 99% of what you read is totally inaccurate. And one more point brought to my attention. A general partner control baseball operating decisions. Limited partners vote on a variety of things, which may or may not be specifically on the field related. Limited partners are owners, the people involved in said limited partnership are equity shareholders and directors technically. The structure is far more complexed than it appears is being discussed and understood in articles and/or online. Also, I am a film and tv producer - seemingly confusion there also. But there's this fantastic invention called Google, as well as other sites like IMDbPro (regular often inaccurate). I live in Malibu because I work in LA.
One thing I can tell you, the Phillies are doing their best in a bad situation. The team just gave you arguably one of the three best runs in NL history, the others being, in my opinion, the 60s Cardinals and 90s Braves. Philly prides itself on being tough, but also LOYAL to its core. Changes and new additions, rough stretches, these are a fact of sport. Death, taxes, and your sports team will not win the championship every year. So please continue to support a team trying to right its ship, certainly spending the money necessary to do so, and look forward to the upswing and many more years of great baseball, consecutive pennants and division titles, and world championships to come. I'm proud to be a Philadelphian, but I'm not proud that a fan base built on LOYALTY is abandoning ship because of a series of bad years. We are better than that. #GoPhils
farg that guy
no idea his son was on twitter but he sounds like an entitled rich douche, which is exactly what he is
his great grandfather (or grandfather) made billions and now hes got some faggy hollywood job and owns part of the phillies. congrats on your deserved success you trust fund funhole.
i tweeted at him!
John Middleton @johnmiddleton · Sep 16
Wonderful. RT@MattGelb: A.J. Burnett allows five runs (four earned) in his 32d start, which bumped his 2015 player option to $12.75 million.
lol...ok maybe hes not so bad after all
Just looked at his twit pics
He's hanging out with Freddie Mitchell and Shavlik farging Randolph
Oh and wearing a Doyers hat...fraud
i dont even know where this 60s cards/90s braves thing is from....the giants have won 2 titles in 3 years. the cardinals 2 in 5 plus making the playoffs pretty much every year. the giants and dodgers in the 40s/50s were dominant.
he's losing his shtein because people dont understand the phillies complicated, shady ownership structure. wahhhhh. farg off richie.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2014, 11:41:17 PM
John Middleton @johnmiddleton · Sep 16
Wonderful. RT@MattGelb: A.J. Burnett allows five runs (four earned) in his 32d start, which bumped his 2015 player option to $12.75 million.
lol...ok maybe hes not so bad after all
lol...is that real?
yup....its middleton's richie rich of a son
he tweeted back at me whining that he has nothing to do with the team. i let him know his bio said "phillies owner" though he changed it just now.
the guy telling you to be a better phillies fan is on the left.
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You'll be glad to know that the entire coaching staff will be back for 2015.
They were offered to return but the beat guys said 1-2 will probably leave. Bowa was on with Russo on Maddog radio today and he echoed that.
Hopefully the hitting coach and pitching coach are donezo
Yes, it's definitely the coaching staff that went wrong this year.
Not the geriatric cream-corn eating fossils Stooge Mcfarg signed for a gazillion dollars and infinity + 1 years.
farg this team and farg the skinny little white bread bitch ass LA flag Todd was tweeting with while you're at it.
Rome's been in the liquor cabinet tonight!
Easy there Rome.
Quote from: Rome on September 30, 2014, 09:47:06 PM
Yes, it's definitely the coaching staff that went wrong this year.
Not the geriatric cream-corn eating fossils Stooge Mcfarg signed for a gazillion dollars and infinity + 1 years.
farg this team and farg the skinny little white bread bitch ass LA flag Todd was tweeting with while you're at it.
lol
im trying to needle him into getting his dad to show his face publicly. the LA queer told me "speaks w/ his actions" and that "he should be popular already" even though only lunatic diehard fans actually know the ownership structure of this team.