2014 Phillies Thread - There's Always Next Year

[Dillen]

Omar Vizquel has like 30 Gold Gloves. He absolutely should be in the Hall.

[SD]

Compared to other SS he's definitely worthy.

What other shortstops? The only modern shortstops who are in the HOF are Cal Ripkin, Barry Larkin, and Ozzie Smith. Jeter will be in.

If Jimmy's career is comparable to those careers when he hangs 'em up, he'll have a shot at the Hall of Fame. If not, he won't.

Sorry to say this, but spoiler alert: he won't.

He'll finish with better offensive numbers (Hits/SB/HRs/RBIs) than Larkin and has one more Gold Glove. He'll also finish with better offensive #s than Smith, although Smith has an insane amount of Gold Gloves. Larkin and Rollins actually favor comparably considering their statistics and defensive #s are similar, plus they both won an MVP and a World Series.

[QB Eagles]

Rollins "better than Larkin" offensive stats are because he already has more at-bats than Larkin. Larkin crushes him at batting average, on-base-percentage, OPS... pretty much everything not having to do with getting a lot of at-bats due to being a leadoff guy. And Jimmy might have one more Gold Glove... he can weigh that against Larkin's bajillion more All-Star years and Silver Sluggers if it's an award dick-measuring contest.

If you think Jimmy and Ozzie are comparable then he should be in the Hall of Fame... I just don't think you'll find many non-Phillie fans who will be convinced of that.

[QB Eagles]

Larkin does show the way though... Jimmy needs to hang around for quite a while more and be good (preferably 2004-2008 good) while doing so. If he's got five quality years left his chances are much improved.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Rollins "better than Larkin" offensive stats are because he already has more at-bats than Larkin. Larkin crushes him at batting average, on-base-percentage, OPS... pretty much everything not having to do with getting a lot of at-bats due to being a leadoff guy. And Jimmy might have one more Gold Glove... he can weigh that against Larkin's bajillion more All-Star years and Silver Sluggers if it's an award dick-measuring contest.

If you think Jimmy and Ozzie are comparable then he should be in the Hall of Fame... I just don't think you'll find many non-Phillie fans who will be convinced of that.

shtein it's hard enough to find Phillie fans who don't think he's Steve Jeltz II

[Rome]

Larkin was hurt a lot in his career but he was still dominant.  His 1996 season was insane.  He was a 30/30/30 guy that year.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Jimmy's 2007? Better.

[MDS]

i have higher standards for the hof than the hof actually does...based on who else is in jimmy should probably go

but in reality the hof should either be for the elite of the elite (not jimmy) or have tiers, in which jimmy would fit comfortably into the lower rung.

[Rome]

Since most of the players from earlier in Rollins' career were roidheads, he might have a shot to get in when he's done.  They'll have to put someone in and no one has ever accused him of cheating.

He doesn't belong among the elite, though, and that's who should be in the Hall.  My favorite all-time player is like Rollins and he's not in (Rock Raines).  Rock belongs there before Jimmy does.

[Eagles_Legendz]

Shield your eyes, people who convulse whenever WAR is referenced.  As a gauge from that side of things, here's the top 20 active position players in terms of career WAR:

1.   Alex Rodriguez (20, 38)   116.0   R
2.   Albert Pujols (14, 34)   94.5   R
3.   Adrian Beltre (17, 35)   72.0   R
4.   Derek Jeter (20, 40)   71.7   R
5.   Carlos Beltran (17, 37)   67.8   B
6.   Bobby Abreu (18, 40)   61.0   L
7.   Chase Utley (12, 35)   60.0   L
8.   Ichiro Suzuki (14, 40)   58.5   L
9.   Miguel Cabrera (12, 31)   56.6   R
10.   Jason Giambi (20, 43)   51.1   L
11.   Torii Hunter (18, 38)   49.1   R
12.   Mark Teixeira (12, 34)   48.3   B
13.   David Wright (11, 31)   47.9   R
14.   Miguel Tejada (16, 40)   47.1   R
15.   Robinson Cano (10, 31)   46.4   L
16.   David Ortiz (18, 38)   45.7   L
17.   Joe Mauer (11, 31)   44.6   L
18.   Jimmy Rollins (15, 35)   43.0   B
19.   Matt Holliday (11, 34)   41.2   R
20.   Dustin Pedroia (9, 30)   40.3  R

[Geowhizzer]

So who else is on the Torii Hunter HOF Train?

[Rome]

I count 4 dead bang HOF locks and A-Roid in that list.

Pujols, Jeter, Ichiro & Miggy.

The rest, noes.

[Rome]

4-0

[Geowhizzer]

Turned it off at 3-0.  Better things to do than to watch this slop.

[MDS]

i think they lost again, or something