Saw a billboard (awesome billboard too) on my drive to work this morning for the season premier of "The Sopranos"...anyone else stoked for this to FINALLY be back? The new season previews looked awesome.
It's a good show and I'll definately watch it. But they really kill the enthusiasm and continuity with those eon-long hiatus breaks.
I mean, last time it was on...I was in a different house, at a different job and didn't think kids were in my future. It was literally like a lifetime ago. I feel like I have to watch last season all over again...and I don't have time to watch prep-work.
...but it does look good.
I agree..the hiatus was way too long. With contract issues, the kid having legal problems, Meadow (Jamie Lynn) getting married....all sorts of stuff put it off.
Well, at least this season they won't shoehorn in some 9/11 crap.
That's why they're marketing the crap out of it. My wife got a magazine last week. When you open up the Sopranos ad, it plays the theme song. Pretty cool...but it must have cost a fortune for that campaign.
AOL/Time Warner can afford it.
when exactly does this start?? i need to order HBO before and get a receiver down in my basement.
The Show starts March 7th...
PS....from hbo.com:
QuoteJoining the cast of THE SOPRANOS as a regular this season is Steve Buscemi ("Ghost World"), playing Tony Soprano's cousin Tony Blundetto. Buscemi will also return as one of the directors of the series; he previously directed the "Pine Barrens" episode.
I've always loved watching the Sopranos, but I can never remember when it comes on, so I end up missing alot of episodes, then I end up just saying "screw it". :-\
maybe this time I will actually get into it and watch it.....maybe.
I don't think I'm going to watch this season. It's been off for so long I don't have any interest in it now. :-\
Quote from: General_Failure on February 23, 2004, 02:53:07 PM
I don't think I'm going to watch this season. It's been off for so long I don't have any interest in it now. :-\
If I ever gambled, I'd bet that if you watched a single episode, not even necessarily from this season, your interest would be rekindled.
i didnt really like the last full season they were on.
the 1st 2 seasons were superb. and me thinks it should have just ended there. go out on a high note in a way. i like parts of other seasons, but not as good as it's start.
i doubt it will live up to what it once was after being gone for so long. i dont care enough to watch it again, or to start investing time into it. heck, if not for this post, i probably wouldnt have even thought about the show existing again.
partially because i downgraded from digital cable, which i found to be a huge rip-off, for someone that barely watched tv as it is. i NEVER watched anything on some of those uber exclusive digital cable channels, and i dont think i watched anything other than 6 feet under on and of the 8,000 HBO/Cinemaxs. so i just got the 25$ package and signed on to netflix for movies...saves overall money, and the quality of what i watch is better for my tastes.
i'll just wait for the dvd's to come out before i give the new soprano's a go.
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 23, 2004, 04:02:51 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on February 23, 2004, 02:53:07 PM
I don't think I'm going to watch this season. It's been off for so long I don't have any interest in it now. :-\
If I ever gambled, I'd bet that if you watched a single episode, not even necessarily from this season, your interest would be rekindled.
That worked for The Shield, but I was always more interested in that than the Sopranos.
Reminder that this starts tonight. At 9pm, not 8 like it used to be.
Can't wait! :)
I'm pumped!!!!!
There's going to be more whackin' this year.
Who do you think is the first main character to take a dirt nap?
I think it's going to be Paulie Walnuts. His straying to Johnny Sack's crew and talking down on Tony is going to get him killed.
My second choice would be Christopher, but I don't see him going that early.
Now I get to continue fantasizing about Jamie-Lynn Sigler. :spank
I see my girl's got herself a drop-top Mustang. ;D
So what did you all think?
I have a feeling that the murder of the waiter is going to come back and haunt Paulie & Christopher in some way. That was careless of them.
Tony is going to get caught up in Melfi and it's going to farg him up mentally.
Great to have the show back.
Excellent first episode. :yay
I got rid of HBO about 6 months after the last season ended... it was the only reason I ever watched the channel and the last seaosn sucked chode. Of course now that it has started up again, I'd gladly pay the $$ to see it the show. Anyway, if anyone has the inkling, let a brother know what happened tonight...
Cool first episode.
Pauly will be the first big character to get offed this season, IMO.
That shrink won't date Tony? I don't know why, he's got such great control of his temper and he speaks to her so nicely. :-D
Overall, that set the table for some great things to shake out.
Even though they take forever to come in with a new season...one thing is constant-- that's one quick hour that goes by while you're watching.
SPOILER!!
Gotta love it... the waiter complains about his tip, so you whack him.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 08, 2004, 09:02:59 AM
SPOILER!!
Gotta love it... the waiter complains about his tip, so you whack him.
lol... i was wondering why they didnt just say he had a seisure and hit his head on the ground. That would have been too hard... just shoot him instead. :paranoid
Did anybody else let out a "whoa" when during the argument with Carmella, Tony alluded that he has a hit out on Flurio because of the attention he showed Mrs. Soprano?
Quote from: Gene on March 08, 2004, 10:12:17 PM
Did anybody else let out a "whoa" when during the argument with Carmella, Tony alluded that he has a hit out on Flurio because of the attention he showed Mrs. Soprano?
yeah, i found that quite interesting.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 08, 2004, 09:02:59 AM
SPOILER!!
Gotta love it... the waiter complains about his tip, so you whack him.
A brick upside the head , lol
I love after they killed the guy they still argued about the money.
There wasn't really anything else on, so I tried to watch it. I wasn't impressed. I fully expect tonight's premiere of The Shield to be much better.
Whoa...see ya Adrianna!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 24, 2004, 10:41:47 AM
Whoa...see ya Adrianna!
THAT was fargen awesome. I was really hoping she would get somehow get naked before it happened though. :)
Great episode. Finale should rock.
Quote from: joneszilla on May 24, 2004, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 24, 2004, 10:41:47 AM
Whoa...see ya Adrianna!
THAT was fargen awesome. I was really hoping she would get somehow get naked before it happened though. :)
i am with you there joneszilla! she had it coming. tony just threw the gasoline on the fire, all hell is going to break loose in two weeks. Can't wait.
That was an awsome show last night best all year....Johnny Sak needs a little lead infusion b/c he's getting on my nerves, cant wait to see 2 weeks from now... :o
Ade got what was coming to her....you had to see this coming once the FBI angle started.
Meanwhile, i cant wait to see how the Tony B angle plays out. I think chris is goin attempt to kill either phil, tony b or sak...why do we have to wait 2 weeks for this!
Quote from: joneszilla on May 24, 2004, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 24, 2004, 10:41:47 AM
Whoa...see ya Adrianna!
THAT was fargen awesome. I was really hoping she would get somehow get naked before it happened though. :)
Yeah me too, that would have been so sweet.
QuoteI was really hoping she would get somehow get naked
they gotta find the corpse sometime. :yay (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/navigator/lhdevil.gif)
lol, nice smilie, MURP. In the context it was used, at first I thought the thing was holding onto some rope and humping the air.
Anyway, rock on.....(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/navigator/lhdevil.gif)
SOPRANOS!!!!!
YESSS, awesome episode!!
That was very sneaky, suprised she didnt realize what was going on until he stopped the car.
I think the season finale is in two weeks, on June 6th. Like the freakin superbowl, gotta wait two weeks.
Quote from: thrillhouse on May 24, 2004, 10:21:01 PM
That was very sneaky, suprised she didnt realize what was going on until he stopped the car.
She knew.
Quote from: thrillhouse on May 24, 2004, 10:21:01 PM
YESSS, awesome episode!!
That was very sneaky, suprised she didnt realize what was going on until he stopped the car.
She knew the minute Tony called her on the phone.
The problem is, just like last season, the best espisode was when a re-occuring character (Ralphie) was killed. Unfortunatly these episodes are sandwiched between some really lack luster espisodes.
There are some great plot lines this season but remember, there is still another season left, don't expect too many people to get whacked in the finale. ;)
IM still wondering about the russian who took pauley and christofer's car in the pinebarrens ???
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 25, 2004, 06:19:21 PM
IM still wondering about the russian who took pauley and christofer's car in the pinebarrens ???
me too. there are quite a few things that never really were finalized over the years. One can only hope they bring em all back for a huge finale!
I'd like to see Cousin Brian come back.......didn't do too much, but why not make on big party!!
what the farg! Tony shot Tony!! That was pretty unexpected, but needed to be done. dude the fbi part was pretty lame. if the fbi can't catch fat ass tony soprano in the snow then thats pretty unbelievable.
:boom
they have nothing on tony. they didnt want him, er, they want him but cant arrest him--for now.
ohhhhh yea. forgot about him talkin to his lawyer.
The ending to that was pretty good.
With tony and tony :fire :o
I loved tony running through the snow, I think everyone watching it yelled out "wtf!!" when he started booking it through the snow. I thought it was the other NY guys at first.
Excellent A+ :)
When does the next season start?
Quote from: mussa on June 06, 2004, 11:15:55 PM
what the farg! Tony shot Tony!! That was pretty unexpected, but needed to be done.
Not only was it expected, it was the most logical course of action for T. I mentioned that course of action to the wife at the beginning of the episode.
Quote from: mussa on June 06, 2004, 11:15:55 PM
. if the fbi can't catch fat ass tony soprano in the snow then thats pretty unbelievable.
lol.
Good episode but i wanted some more bloodshed between Saks crew and Tony's crew. And I definitely wanted to see Phil catch some lead. >:(
Next season begins shooting in April of 2005, probably set up for a January or March of 2006 run, or if were lucky, September of 2005.
I might be 19 and in college by the team the next season airs.....how in the heck am i goin watch it if im not at home!
I thought it was a little anti-climatic, but not terrible. The problem is in how long it will take to get to next season. You know they'll just ignore another 80 stories they started this season.
2006!
Darn, thats too long.
Some good articles on last night and the season:
From CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/07/tv.sopranos.finale.ap/index.html)
From NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1086585262188060.xml)
Awsome episode....Love when Tony was talking to his new lawyer(mayor of NY in Ghostbusters I)Tony smirking when he noticed the arrest was on NY not NJ or him....Tony Is Now the Boss................ ;D
I have to say it really was a great episode/really the past 2 have been...I just hope they get to filming quickly....i always forget some of the plots w/in the 2 year break :D
I really wanted phil to take a lead shower you old bitter man :fire >:(
BLECH (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040726/ap_en_tv/tv_sopranos_2)
:boom :boom :boom
So lame....
Damn that sucks. >:(
That is just ridiculous IMO. Thankfully Curb Your Enthusiasm is a better show and doesnt pull this shtein.
Don't forget about Deadwood. I missed the last 6 farging episodes because i was in Mass. And they took them off On Demand. My life is shallow and now meaningless
Every time I'm flipping through channels Deadwood is on one of the 80 HBOs. You'll be able to watch the episodes you missed thirty times before it's back with new episodes.
QuoteTHE SOPRANOS (HBO) - According to promos that ran before the pay channel's presentation of "Empire Falls" over the weekend, the long-delayed sixth season of the mob drama will premiere in March of 2006. In addition, newcomer "Rome" was specified as premiering in September of this year.
Hopefully this doesnt get delayed. Remember, Chase hasn't declared this the final season yet. He's having second thoughts about taking a crap load of money from HBO and making a 7th.
Jeezus. :boom
I'm going to have to watch the last season again soon to refresh my memory.
Jamie Lynn DiScalia is hot.
Jamie Lynn DiScalia is hot
tru dat
unfortunately she has the body of a prepubecent 10 year old boy
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 01, 2005, 12:49:45 PM
unfortunately she has the body of a prepubecent 10 year old boy
You mean a-cups and a barrel-shaped upper body doesn't qualify as hot to you? Weirdo.
Newest report:
QuoteSOPRANOS WATCH: Just when David Chase thought he was out, HBO pulls him back in. As recently reported, The Sopranos creator is talking to HBO about doing a seventh season of the mob hit. (The show's sixth season, which is currently in production and scheduled to premiere next spring, was widely believed to be the last.) Now TVGuide.com is hearing that one scenario being tossed around has Chase tacking on an additional six or so episodes to the shooting schedule and doing an abbreviated seventh season — à la Sex and the City. Hey, I'll take whatever I can get.
Sopranos news (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050811/en_nm/television_sopranos_dc)
Great job, HBO. Stretch it waaaay too thin and kill all the excitement....
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Season 6 starts March 12, 9pm
the trailers look really good for this upcoming season, but they were pretty misleading for Season 5, so I'm not taking much out of them this time. I'm just glad to be getting new episodes.
Watch the trailers here (http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/?ntrack_para1=leftnav_category0_show0)
There's going to be 12 episodes starting in March, then another 8 that are going to be shown in January of 2007, similar to what Sex and the City did. So, while we waited almost 2 years for Season 6, you will only have to wait about 6 months for the last 8 episodes of the show.
the other night, the season 5 episode called, "The Test Dream" was on. I have watched that a few times and I still can't figure out what the hell that dream was about. Anybody have any ideas?
Is that the one with the horse?
yeah, the dream is like 25 minutes long.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 01, 2005, 08:40:01 AM
Jeezus. :boom
I'm going to have to watch the last season again soon to refresh my memory.
Jamie Lynn DiScalia Sigler is hot.
Good news, bro: She's getting divorced! :-D :yay
All I remember from that is that Tony got himself a damned ugly painting out of it all.
that was Pie-O-My, that was season 4, but the horse was in his dream in Season 5
the last 8 eps of season 6 will be in the fall, not the winter. IDIOT.
wrong
homo
fair enough sir, fair enough.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 02:43:17 PM
that was Pie-O-My, that was season 4, but the horse was in his dream in Season 5
Ack...it's been so long they're all starting to blur together.
yeah, i know what you mean
The dream was mainly about Tony's HS football coach. As for some of the other stuff. It may or may not have meaning. No one knows.
(http://www.escaner.cl/escaner16/lynch2.jpg)
she knows...
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 16, 2006, 04:34:04 PM
The dream was mainly about Tony's HS football coach. As for some of the other stuff. It may or may not have meaning. No one knows.
Was there a gay thing there? I'm so confused.
No gay thing. Tony didn't want to let down his coach. He was kind of obsessed with it.
Tony talks about it with Dr. Melfi. He talks about his past and his football coach. I forget all the details, but I know that was the main thing in the dream. All the other stuff was just people he's encountered popping up in his dream. Mostly people in the series that died - who I won't name for spoiler reasons.
Then the scene where he was running away from the angry crowd was showing how he always runs away from his problems.
nice work Philly, that stuff makes sense.
Also, and this is nothing but a guess on my part. But when Tony is running from the angry crowd, Arti is the one that helps him find an escape. I think to Tony, Arti is the only one Tony actually trusts, because he's his only real friend outside of the mafia life.
yeah, i agree with that.
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 16, 2006, 05:48:25 PM
Also, and this is nothing but a guess on my part. But when Tony is running from the angry crowd, Arti is the one that helps him find an escape. I think to Tony, Arti is the only one Tony actually trusts, because he's his only real friend outside of the mafia life.
yea thats true. hes the only one tony let go on a debt (even though he sent furio to get the money). i cant wait to get home and re-watch season 5 in preps for 6. i went through the first 4 over winter break.
Everyone is all over 24 and Lost when neither even comes close to The Sopranos.
It's not just they can use language and nudity. It's just a better show.
I agree, but Lost is getting there. It's more suspensful episode to episode, but the in depth characters and overall writing and acting for the show are second to none.
I don't know if any network TV show excluding Seinfeld will ever top an HBO series to me. Whatever HBO makes, I love. The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Wire, Rome, Deadwood are all great.
I prefer any one of those over any network TV series going right now. Lost is a little slow for me. 50% flashbacks every show, the commercials, the breaks between episodes. I'm getting a little tired of it.
Uhhh well commericals are on everything but pay cable. Maybe we could do things like they do in England with the BBC, and have a tax that everyone pays for which is the stations cash flow. Dont think that work here now.
Seinfeld is better than Curb, so is Arrested Development. Curbs a great show, no doubt. But theyve made only 50 episodes in 5 years. Most shows reach syndication numbers by then.
Lost isnt 50% flashbacks, its like 70-30. Plus the flashbacks tell us things we need to know, and give us basis for who the characters are and why they are acting in a certain manner. Come on, arent ya dying to know why the plane crashed and why Locke is paralized (some big flashback moments yet to be revealed)?
I understand why they do the things they do. Commercials are required, and the flashbacks are also necessary, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I guess I'm spoiled. Lost is a quality show, but I wish it would just move it's pace a little bit.
What more do we really know about the island than we did in the first season. We know about the timer, and the hatches and stuff, but about the island itself, and why everything is so crazy. We hardly know anything more than season one. I wish they would move a little faster, but I know they aren't going to. They have to milk it as long as they can to make as many seasons as they can.
not true. theyve said they imagine the show will last somewhere around 6 or 7 seasons. in the first half of the first year, they had to really pick up the pace to draw in viewers. now that they are an established hit with a large core fan base, no ratings worries, they bring the show along at the speed they intended. this is not a prison break/24 type show wheres its non stop over dramatized suspense (not that i dont like prison break, its stupid but fun). just sit back and enjoy the ride. i like that we are tediously getting teased with the hatch and with the others. the slower, the more suspensful. they responded to idiotic criticism of the season 1 finale by moving ahead plans with the hatch and showing us what was inside in season 2 preimiere. i expect them to really go out there in season 2 finale, giving the fans a breath taking cliffhanger. just enjoy the show, its really good.
I am enjoying it. I just don't love it as much as most people and prefer other shows. I used to like 24 a lot more than Lost, but not anymore. 24 is the same thing every year, and I don't like it nearly as much as I used to. If season 6 of 24 is the same as this season then I'm not going to watch it.
google map of season 5 (http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/map/) Like all other google maps it takes forever to load
-someone dies to kick off the year, first scene is at a funeral
-last 3 minutes of episode 1 are the reason everything is so hush hush
I can't wait. :yay
from the AP reporter who previewed the 1st couple episodes...
QuoteNEW YORK - Even as "The Sopranos" returns Sunday with its first new episode since June 6, 2004, long-deprived fans can be pardoned for wondering: What took David Chase so long?
Clearing his head? Racking his brain?
It turns out that, whatever Chase was up to as he prepared to push beyond the 65 installments aired thus far, the "Sopranos" mastermind spent his time well.
To judge from four previewed episodes, the season that awaits us (9 p.m. EST Sunday on HBO) is richer, deeper and more thrilling than ever as it probes the world of New Jersey mob boss Tony Soprano.How has Chase done it?
"I give a lot of weight to luck," he says.
A slight man with sad, seen-it-all eyes and a wry sense of humor, Chase has greeted a reporter to the "Sopranos" production offices at Silvercup Studios in Queens. The airy loft space is the polar opposite of the tomblike back office frequented by Tony (series star James Gandolfini) and his crew at the Bada Bing! strip club. Here are 30-foot ceilings and broad windows displaying the Queensborough Bridge arching over to Manhattan.
But despite the cheery setting, "don't get too comfortable" stayed on Chase's mind as he crafted this sixth season.
"We are here for a certain period of time," he says, trying to sum up the season's overriding theme, "and how much of your life are you gonna choose to spend with distractions? How do you make your choices? What is important?"
Sounds like, on some level, the end is closer than we think. Gulp.
Of course, fans are full of end-is-near talk concerning the show. Somewhat premature? A dozen episodes are ready to go, then another eight air early next year. That means almost one-fourth of the ultimate 85-episode "Sopranos" canon is yet to be seen.
Cold comfort for insatiable "Sopranos" fans. And in direct proportion to our growing dismay that the series must, indeed, eventually conclude is our gnawing curiosity: How will it all end?
QuoteYears ago, Tony Soprano imagined his options during a gloomy psychiatric session: "dead, or in the can."
But it will be Chase - who has a writing or co-writing credit on some 20 episodes and supervises all the rest, along with every other detail of the series - who will make that final call. He is the supreme being who concocts The Chart, from which all narratives and scripts emanate. The Chart, whose episode-by-episode and character-by-character coordinates pin down "The Sopranos'" destiny. The Chart is finished, Chase says.
Granted, it's subject to revision.
"Usually I try to stick to my first impulse," he explains. "But it could be that we get close to what I thought was gonna be the ending we planned, and something better will come along into our heads."
He notes that shooting will continue through December. Post-production won't wrap until next March.
So maybe the end ISN'T closer than we think.
Elsewhere in the Silvercup complex - Studio X - it appears to be business as usual. In the Soprano living room the latest family crisis is erupting. Teenage son A.J. (played by Robert Iler) has screwed up again.
"So," rails his mom, Carmela (Edie Falco), "every time I said to you, 'How's work?' and you said, 'Fine,' you were having your own private little joke on me?"
"What's going on?" says Tony, entering through the front door.
"I went to Blockbuster today to rent `Cinderella Man,'" Carmela fumes, "and guess what?"
"It still sucks."
"I found out that our son, the liar, had been fired three weeks ago!"
"From Blockbuster!" Tony is a mix of rage and bewilderment. "How the f--- do you do THAT? They got rhesus monkeys as managers there!"
But while shooting the scene, Gandolfini stumbles over a word. He lets out a frustrated growl. While the cameras reset, his meaty hand seizes his script (individually numbered and boldly labeled "CONFIDENTIAL") to check his lines.
The episode, airing late this season, is directed by Tim Van Patten, whose many "Sopranos" installments include last season's execution of beloved mob moll Adriana, as well as "Members Only," this Sunday's premiere.
A director of clearly diverse skills (his credits include 30 segments of "Touched By an Angel"), Van Patten is already waxing nostalgic.
"There's not gonna be a day I drive over the Queensborough Bridge and see Silvercup and don't think, 'Those were great days,'" he admits. "It's very strange to sense the end. No one says it out loud, but the actors are feeling it."
Steven Van Zandt feels it and he says it out loud.
The longtime guitarist in Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band, he made his acting debut as Silvio Dante, Tony's pompadoured consigliere. Growing reflective in his Manhattan office-studio (where he champions rock-and-roll on his nationally syndicated radio show, "Little Steven's Underground Garage"), he says he'll miss the "Sopranos" gig.
"It's such a mental vacation to be somebody else, to be out of my own world," he says. "Being Silvio is my meditation."
Thinking back on the lifestyle he has helped portray during the "Sopranos" run, Van Zandt can't help but laugh. For all the focus on the show's violence, much of how Silvio, Tony and the rest occupy themselves is playing pool at the Bada Bing! or sitting around in front of the pork store, reading The Racing Form.
"I think one of the most remarkable things David and the other writers have accomplished is turning a very mundane existence into something compelling," Van Zandt says. "When you look at what mob guys are doing today, it's not the Roaring Twenties."
It's just one more reason why "The Sopranos" was a very long shot to get a greenlight as a series, and no one knows that better than Chase. The premise: a basically unlikeable guy at the center of a mob drama. "How tired is THAT!" laughs Chase.
Even when the series got HBO's go-ahead, he figured it would air one year, tops. The first season's 13 episodes were in the can before the January 1999 premiere. And if a few plot strands were left dangling (item: where did "Big Hoyda" Bonpensiero disappear to? Chase originally had no idea), he figured, who in the audience would care, or even notice?
Then "The Sopranos" caught on, but big. In Season Two, Hoyda (a close Soprano operative turned FBI informant) had to be accounted for, and was, to his ill fortune. Through the subsequent run of "The Sopranos," the narrative strands would multiply and the series would expand into a population whose ever-more-entangled connections defy even Chase's own immediate recall.
"There are other writers here who remember more than I do," he admits. "What I probably have, more than anybody else, is a sense of the family Tony Soprano came from."
After all, the 60-year-old Chase was the only child in a New Jersey Italian-American family whose difficult mother famously inspired Tony's hateful mother, Livia.
"I have Tony's background in my head very clearly," says Chase. "I keep creating his back story as we go along, and it seems like I'm the only one who can do that, or should."
He points to psychiatrist scenes where Tony recounts his past to Dr. Melfi (Lorraine Bracco): "I think the other writers feel that I'm on more solid ground writing about that. Because they might go off some place where I would say, `THAT never happened' - not that ANY of it ever happened - more likely than I would say, 'I don't believe Tony would do this in the present day.'
"It's been enjoyable to see all those connections happen, and to have the history kind of branch out," he adds.
"I sort of made my bones on `The Rockford Files,'" he says, referring to the lighthearted 1970s drama about private eye Jim Rockford. "It was a great show to work on. But Jim never really changed, or his father, Rocky, or Dennis, the detective. Nothing interwove. That's how television used to be."
Chase would have been happy to keep "The Sopranos" a series of freestanding hours.
"HBO was more enamored of a serial structure than I was," he says, "but the first season I tried to keep the serial element to a minimum. My goal was to do a little movie every week about a different subject. That's always been what we tried to do. But over time, as the universe expanded, the serial elements have grown larger.
"I still hanker to do more stand-alone episodes," he says.
Indeed, this season's second episode, "Join the Club," which Chase wrote, sets in motion an underlying story of mistaken identity that could stand on its own as a modern "Twilight Zone" yarn.
Like most, that episode is sparked with dialogue where characters reveal themselves (to the audience, at least) as either clueless, or lying, or hiding from the truth.
In a tender moment, Carmela tells Tony, "You're a good father. You care about your friends."
Say what?!
Chase chuckles. "The best part of writing the show is that whatever the person is saying is not the real world. Everything is a lie, or at least 80 percent of it. 'I love you, T!' The character is habitually saying that which isn't. And that's fun."
Fun for the writers, and fun for the audience, who catch the oh-so-cagey characters as they expose themselves repeatedly.
So perhaps the viewer has been put on notice: Look for no grand lessons here from Chase, other than the human penchant for commingling untruths with the real thing.
And don't try to second-guess him on how the series will end. Not when Chase, who oversees perhaps the most meticulously executed show in TV history, can say, "Control is an illusion."
But even so ... er ... how about a few tea leaves for fans to read?
"I guess," Chase offers, "the question is: `Do we really believe that crime does not pay?'" He shrugs. "That's what we're told. That's what most gangster films have told us. Is there justice in the world?"
So, whatever it is that Chase happens to believe, that might have some bearing on the series' grand conclusion?
"Yeah, I think so," he says, mulling it over. "I think so."
:-D once again at the cuss filter.
Quote"From Blockbuster!" Tony is a mix of rage and bewilderment. "How the f--- do you do THAT? They got rhesus monkeys as managers there!"
:-D
50 minutes
Don't get too excited, David Chase probably signed with Lifetime and won't air any of the new episodes.
prediction:
tony had sex with a tranny and gets aids
I'm at home and I dont have HBO here. This is balls.
:'(
awesome episode...
Well I didn't see that one coming. :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead
Damn.
This show never lets up.
power struggle between Sylvio and Vito coming up, imo
Definitely the best opening show in the past 2 seasons.
Excellent!
They have had TWO rats close to giving up Tony and they both died. The old dude in the car with the chick and then the other guy hung himself.
Tony gets shot by Uncle Junior...no question that he's losing his mind now. No more wondering if its because he is faking it for trial.
Sylvio and Vito will indeed have a power struggle.
I don't thnk 50K is the end of the Hesh incident either. That plus the Tony B bad blood with Johnny Sacks crew is brewing still.
I'll admit it... it took me a while to get back into the swing of things with this episode. But, after about 20 minutes, I started remembering who everyone was... good episode all in all. AT one point, I was wondering what the hell Adriana was doing there.
Uncle Ju is loosing it big time, and I think Bobby is going to get it pretty fast this season. Just feelin' it, ya know?
Can't wait for next Sunday!
I knew there was a big twist coming, but I was not expecting that. My mouth was open with shock for a good two minutes.
Bad thing is, I'm back to school tommorrow and won't be able to watch until I get back home in a few weeks for (sigh) passover.
Wow. Shocked the shtein out of me.
sylvio is little steven right....whos vito?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 08:40:10 AM
sylvio is little steven right....whos vito?
Vito is the dude who was caught by Meadows boyfriend sucking that dude off in the truck.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 13, 2006, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 08:40:10 AM
sylvio is little steven right....whos vito?
Vito is the dude who was caught by Meadows boyfriend sucking that dude off in the truck.
I am so glad I don't watch this show.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 13, 2006, 08:52:27 AM
I am so glad I don't watch this show.
get video of Meadow dancing for her boyfriend...
she needs to do a nude scene before the show is up
I thought it was okay. Pretty much what I expected. You guys honestly didn't think Tony was going to get shot in the show? There wasn't a doubt in my mind about it. I didn't think Uncle Junior would be the triggerman, mind you...but they telegraphed that from the moment they declined to have a premeir party.
they had a premier party. HBO was showing some of it before the show started.
if you saw that coming, good for you, i didn't. i saw Gene killing himself, but not Tony getting shot.
they didnt have the normal premiere party they usually do. it was a smaller thing.
btw anyone wanna take on the reasponsiblity of sending me the sopranos torrent file every week so i can watch the show? i nominate sun mo because hes gay.
not only am i not going to send you a torrent file, but i'm going to post unexpected spoilers after each week.
ill avoid this thread, you dirty little cracker.
who said it will be in this thread....
I am so glad I don't watch this show
lol
btw i got hbo yesterday to see what all the hype was about...they gave me a $8 a month special thru the end of the year...is that truly a special or can hbo be gotten for that much all the time
i just checked comcast.com. the digital package, w/ no premium channels is $60.35/month. to add one premium channel jumps the price to $80.25/month. so it sounds like you got a deal
That hanging scene was brutal. Probably one of the most realistic hangings I've ever scene on TV. I was disturbed by it...
the digital package, w/ no premium channels is $60.35/month. to add one premium channel jumps the price to $80.25/month
they quoted $13 as the regular price to add hbo
whatever fag, i'm just telling what the website says
i tried ordering HBO last night before the show started, told me to call a number, well the damn number was busy for 30 minutes. i never got through. fargin comcast. comcastic my ass :win
honestly, you've had 3 years to get HBO before the Season started, why did you wait until 30 minutes before?
:-D
while its still a watchable show the sopranos has turned into a parody of itself...shoulda been retired three seasons ago
the wire takes big dookie shteins all over it
i did have HBO, i moved and then didn't feel like spending the extra "chedda" to get it. i didn't know yesterday was the premiere...shtein i didn't think it was happening for awhile yet. :-D
ill burn it on dvd and send it to you for $8 an episode
$5
3 episodes for $12
Quote from: Phanatic on March 13, 2006, 11:10:04 AM
That hanging scene was brutal. Probably one of the most realistic hangings I've ever scene on TV. I was disturbed by it...
Agree. Pretty much decided that if I have the need to off myself, hanging is way down the list.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 13, 2006, 11:57:40 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on March 13, 2006, 11:10:04 AM
That hanging scene was brutal. Probably one of the most realistic hangings I've ever scene on TV. I was disturbed by it...
Agree. Pretty much decided that if I have the need to off myself, hanging is way down the list.
Of course my wife realized that it bothered me and used the Tivo to replay it for me a few times... Disturbing!
Quote from: Phanatic on March 13, 2006, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 13, 2006, 11:57:40 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on March 13, 2006, 11:10:04 AM
That hanging scene was brutal. Probably one of the most realistic hangings I've ever scene on TV. I was disturbed by it...
Agree. Pretty much decided that if I have the need to off myself, hanging is way down the list.
Of course my wife realized that it bothered me and used the Tivo to replay it for me a few times... Disturbing!
She is an evil, evil woman. And I'm the one guy that can say that :-D
Quote from: Phanatic on March 13, 2006, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 13, 2006, 11:57:40 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on March 13, 2006, 11:10:04 AM
That hanging scene was brutal. Probably one of the most realistic hangings I've ever scene on TV. I was disturbed by it...
Agree. Pretty much decided that if I have the need to off myself, hanging is way down the list.
Of course my wife realized that it bothered me and used the Tivo to replay it for me a few times... Disturbing!
You should have returned the favor by abusing the reply Tivo buttons for Meadow's dance routine!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2006, 11:53:47 AM
3 episodes for $12
let me do the math...ill be on tomorrow after i figure this all out.
Quote from: Phanatic on March 13, 2006, 11:10:04 AM
That hanging scene was brutal. Probably one of the most realistic hangings I've ever scene on TV. I was disturbed by it...
I thought it was pretty good acting. The final spasm and piss running down his leg were the selling points.
Yea I don't think he pissed on command.
I thought i heard something hit the floor and splash. I turned to my brother and asked him if he just pissed himself, but neither of us could see that far. Oh well...very awesome way to open the season.
Tony will be in a coma for the next few episodes, and we will see whats going on in his head during it (more Test Dream stuff :yay)
This sets up the previously mentioned Syl/Vito power struggle for acting boss.
If that is true I am going to kick your ass.
Thanks for the spolier, jerky. :flipoff
The big rumor going on now is that last week's episode was actually the last of the season and starting tonight they will show what lead up to Tony getting shot.
But then I read a little blurb in TV Guide today that said something about tonight being a lot of Tony in therapy stuff with Dr. Melfi.
I hope the last episode first shtein isn't true.
no it cant be. its tony in acoma and the resulting power struggle for acting boss.
The episode description for tonight:
Quote
"Join the Club": Tony has trouble on a business trip to the west coast; the New Jersey faction mourns the loss of another associate; Christopher discusses terrorism with the FBI.
Sounds like a "before the shooting" story to me.
mourns the loss? the dude who hung himself
business trip? its what going on his head. test dream type stuff.
I guess. The FBI thing is most likely the agent appearing last week.
yea free HBO!
Yeah it seems to be the whole power struggle thing.
But what is the deal with the west coast "dream/coma trip", wrong guys name, etc?
just so we are straight, i called coma/power struggle 2 minutes after Tony got shot last Sunday. i own the world.
Quote from: thrillhouse on March 19, 2006, 10:11:45 PM
Yeah it seems to be the whole power struggle thing.
But what is the deal with the west coast "dream/coma trip", wrong guys name, etc?
My interpretation was that the west coast is him being in the coma and going home to the east coast would be coming out of the coma. Since he is living a different life while in the coma it makes me believe that he doesn't want to go back to the life he was leading (out of the coma). The coma life is how he wished he turned out.
Yeah, I see the dream world as being his fantasy life for sure. There seems to be a real significance with the phone.
I agree, NGM. That's how I looked at it too.
Sus, I think the phone thing is when he hears Carmela or the kids talking to him by the bedside. He hears their voices but not what they are saying about the real world. It just goes into his whole fantasy land thing.
The episode started off slow.
However I liked seeing much more of Meadow. It just reaffirmed the fact that I want to make babies with her.
I also got a good chuckle when Paulie Walnuts called AJ "Van Helsing". :-D
Next week looks good.
Who gets capped? Someone is getting offed.
Vito, maybe?
Success. The Lounge in the first floor of the building has HBO. I watched it with some homeless looking kid who kept caughing and reeked of Malboro.
Did his wifes voice sound like Gloria to anyone?
Janice=Livia when seeing Tony. Exact same stunt she pulls when something bad happens.
His wife was definitely Dr Melfi on the phone. At one point she was psycho analysing him over the phone. The Monks were alitte unexpected. there had to be some significance to the watchtower light and tony always looking over at it?
sopranos really needs to dead the dream sequences...they are a complete waste of time...as was last nights episode...what a piece of garbage....the previews for next week looked pretty good tho
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 20, 2006, 10:44:01 AM
sopranos really needs to dead the dream sequences...they are a complete waste of time...as was last nights episode...what a piece of garbage....the previews for next week looked pretty good tho
translation:
i wanna see people get whacked cause thats the only thing that my uber-short attention span can comprehend.
you honestly liked that episode last night?
it was lazy as hell meaningless and just plain zzzzzzz
it wasnt amazing, but it wasnt boring or just plain bad. i like the dream sequences, you get a deeper understanding of the tony soprano character. not to mention, a bunch of different thoeries as to where he mentally is can come out of this.
so what deeper understanding did you learn last night
what he would have been like if he didnt go into the mob world, and he handles situations without the tough guy imagine. the lonliness he has inside (in the hotel room at the end), how people truly feel about him (mobsters=business, family=actually personally care).
deep...deep...deeper than atlantis...deeper than the sea floor traveled by the mantis
interesting.
its funny that there are two types of fans to the show: the kind that need to see violence, sex and hardcore mob stuff (igy) and the others who like that stuff, but at the same are interested in the and the thoughtful, philosophical aspects of Tony's life (it appears everyone else on the board who watches the show).
I think it'll be funny if "Van Helsing" whacks Uncle Jun.
brother j watches the sopranos.
neato!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2006, 11:03:01 PMSus, I think the phone thing is when he hears Carmela or the kids talking to him by the bedside. He hears their voices but not what they are saying about the real world. It just goes into his whole fantasy land thing.
Maybe. If I remember right, Tony always initiates the calls. Or doesn't as in that one scene, where he starts to place the call, and then changes his mind. Maybe his reluctance to go back. Maybe he now has the "retirement" idea planted in his head?
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on March 20, 2006, 12:50:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2006, 11:03:01 PMSus, I think the phone thing is when he hears Carmela or the kids talking to him by the bedside. He hears their voices but not what they are saying about the real world. It just goes into his whole fantasy land thing.
Maybe. If I remember right, Tony always initiates the calls. Or doesn't as in that one scene, where he starts to place the call, and then changes his mind. Maybe his reluctance to go back. Maybe he now has the "retirement" idea planted in his head?
Thats what I am thinking as far as him not placing that call. Its like he wanted to come out of it but then decided not to (or his body wasn't ready yet).
Me and my girl were talking about it this morning and she had a good point...
She thinks that the dream sequence is Tony in purgatory. He couldn't get into the conference (heaven) because he wasn't Tony Soprano. Well, he was. But he couldn't prove it. And he couldn't check into the hotels (hell) because he wasn't Tony. If he would've been able to gain access to either spot then he dies. But since he's still Finnerty he's still drifting along in a coma.
He is in Costa Mesa and remember the TV had fire on it and said "Costa Mesa wildfires"? Thats why she thought it might've been hell.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 01:59:33 PM
He is in Costa Mesa and remember the TV had fire on it and said "Costa Mesa wildfires"? Thats why she thought it might've been hell.
yeah, and don't forget, that on the other TV there was a commercial about God and the such, again, he's stuck in between.
i really enjoyed last night's episode, but i'm really sick of hearing people bitch about it. you wanna see hits, go watch Goodfellas, the action in this season will come, they are setting it up.
AJ going after Uncle Junior = the passion in his life that Carmela said he was missing. he's on the path to being like his dad.
I'm just glad it wasn't the way people were talking about - how last weeks was the end and they would start from the beginning last night.
I can't wait until next week. I think Vito catches a bullet. He's been bitching about that Sports Book for two weeks now and had the balls to bring it up in the hospital yesterday. I think Sylvio whacks him. Or maybe Paulie Walnuts goes apeshtein on him.
They are setting up chaos.
Christopher is a loose cannon. Him and Phil don't like each other.
Both bosses are out of the picture.
Remember Christopher saying he hated Phil when they set up the meeting with Tony to talk about paying for the guy whose ass Phils crew whipped? Chris said " I hate that fargin prick".
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2006, 02:24:43 PM
Remember Christopher saying he hated Phil when they set up the meeting with Tony to talk about paying for the guy whose ass Phils crew whipped? Chris said " I hate that fargin prick".
also, Tony said, "He has 200 hundred soldiers under him." Christopher just said, "I ain't scared of them."
I don't think Vito catches it yet, but you can see from the previews that he goes to Phil to help him gain power of the family, that will lead to the war.
Yep.
And Christopher was pimping Johnny Sack's Maserati too. Remember Johnny's wife said he wanted to buy it and pay cash and Johnny got pissed/ Well, she sold it to him. That might not mean much, but it'll piss off Johnny Sack for sure.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 20, 2006, 06:47:19 AM
His wife was definitely Dr Melfi on the phone. At one point she was psycho analysing him over the phone. The Monks were alitte unexpected. there had to be some significance to the watchtower light and tony always looking over at it?
I thought the light was either coming out of the coma (doctors looking at his eyes etc.) or him going "towards the light." I don't think Tony is going to get any offers from up above though.
i think the light is from the airport, where he has to go so he can get home aka come out of the coma.
article on yesterdays episode (http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1142836402123280.xml&coll=1&thispage=2)
some revealing stuff, if you didnt pick up on it.
little factoid:
QuoteThe voice of Purgatory Tony's wife wasn't played by Annabella Sciorra, or any other actress who's been on the show before; she's just a generic non-Carmela female voice.
With what this article is saying, does this mean......no more earth Tony?
Good find. You have served your purpose on thie board. Extra desert for you from the chow line tonight, pal.
it was on philliesphans, foxworthy.
Well, there goes your credit. No extra ice cream for you, jerk.
i dont even like ice cream, so ha.
What are you? A communist or something? everyone likes ice cream.
Anyways...back to the Sopranos...
I guess my girl was right about that purgatory shtein.
Good stuff now that we know exactly whats up.
yea, i figure what could happen is he gets "sent back" to earth because "god" or whatever cannot decide if tony should go to heaven or hell. tony then decides the right the wrongs in his life, and attemps to start a new life away from the mob (sells them out)....but probably will die before that (series finale).
That was a damn good article. I disagree though with the author's contention that Tony is going to hell. It seems to me that he has a choice in the matter. That would be to wake up and account for his sins. That airport light is surely the route to heaven, although indirectly.
I think I've come up with a theory. Kevin Finnerty is one of Tony's previous lives. The Buddhist monks kind of tied it in for me. Perhaps being Tony is serving some sort of karmic penalty for his previous misbehavior. He's not Tony in this purgatory-like plane, and he's no longer Finnerty.
Seems to me that we can't be dealing with classic Christian concepts. If we were, and given Tony's works, I have no doubt that Tony would have no doubt where he was headed. And these scenes seem to imply that there is some variability with regard to the fate of his soul.
I'm a little unsure with the name Kevin Finnerty, though, since it seems to be a play on the word "infinity."
really enjoyed last night's episode, but i'm really sick of hearing people bitch about it. you wanna see hits, go watch Goodfellas
or the wire
btw all this over anaylization of a tv show will mean nothing a month from now when tony is back to his normal self and these first two episodes mean next to nothing
the only thing that matters here is the fight for power within the family...which is why out of 57 minutes the other nite only two minutes of it mattered and that was the 'meeting' at the funeral home...the rest is psycho babble bullshtein that wont ever be addressed again on the show
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 08:35:58 AM
the only thing that matters here is the fight for power within the family...which is why out of 57 minutes the other nite only two minutes of it mattered and that was the 'meeting' at the funeral home...the rest is psycho babble bullshtein that wont ever be addressed again on the show
i agree that it won't be addressed again, and i'm ok with that, because i enjoyed Sunday's episiode, that's all I can ask.
it's no surprise that many of the things that happen in these episodes aren't addressed again, Chase has said many times that his original idea for the Sopranos was a series of one-hour movies, independent of each other, but eventually with it's popularity, he had to introduce some serial elements to it.
Quotei agree that it won't be addressed again, and i'm ok with that, because i enjoyed Sunday's episiode, that's all I can ask.
I couldn't agree more, well said.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2006, 08:35:58 AM
...the rest is psycho babble bullshtein that wont ever be addressed again on the show
The only problem with that line of thinking is that the "psycho babble bullshtein" is what the show is really about at the end of the day. It might not be why many people watch, but that's how it was designed and built.
The only problem with that line of thinking is that the "psycho babble bullshtein" is what the show is really about at the end of the day. It might not be why many people watch, but that's how it was designed and built.
when its really happening on the show it works wondefully as it relates to his job family ect...many of the melfi sessions are classic...however when its an entire episode worth of dream sequence its a waste of friggin time
same thing with the big Hoyda stuff...his internal battle over killing him and finally doing so = some of the best tv ever made...the cheesy dream sequences over killing him that followed = awful
I think it's pretty safe to say that this most recent departure from reality was very different from the others, though.
And discussing it is apparently "over anaylization." ::)
Quote from: MDS on March 20, 2006, 12:10:01 PM
what he would have been like if he didnt go into the mob world, and he handles situations without the tough guy imagine. the lonliness he has inside (in the hotel room at the end), how people truly feel about him (mobsters=business, family=actually personally care).
wouldnt be much of a show if he did that.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on March 21, 2006, 08:04:36 AM
I'm a little unsure with the name Kevin Finnerty, though, since it seems to be a play on the word "infinity."
A couple of anagrams for Kevin Finnerty
Fink entry vein
Fink inter-envy
Tiny fink nerve
I'm just grasping for a clue.....
from imdb
QuoteCast members of hit mafia series The Sopranos are demanding higher salaries after the show's bosses extended the period over which they will broadcast the final 20 episodes. Stars including Michael Imperioli, who plays Tony Soprano's hotheaded nephew Christopher, and Lorraine Bracco, who plays Tony's shrink, Dr. Melfi, are having their pay renegotiated after insisting that splitting the series is equivalent to two season's work rather than one, according to the Wall Street Journal. However, bosses at HBO disagree, claiming that all 20 episodes are still part of the same season and do not warrant double pay. Sopranos star James Gandolfini has already successfully renegotiated himself a $1 million deal for each of the final eight shows, and more minor characters hope to follow suit. Despite the confusion, a spokesman for HBO is adamant cast members will not stage a walkout: "We're confident that everyone will be signed for the last eight episodes."
so how many episodes are actually left?
18 now.
10 this season
8 starting in January 2007
:yay cool. thanks
Sal Pal (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=paolantonio/060321) (yes, really) feels the need to weigh in on stereotyping of Italian-Americans in "The Sopranos" (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=paolantonio/060321)
he's been on that rant for years, hey Sal if the shoe fits mother farger
Yo Sal Pal...I hope you choke on a calzone. Ass.
Why exactly is a football reporter writing an article about Italian-American stereotypes in a TV Show?
Why exactly is a football reporter writing an article about Italian-American stereotypes in a TV Show?
not much different than you posting about hockey or for that matter anything not temple basketball related
interesting observation, has rings of the truth, but keep this in mind:
message board=forum for idiots like me (and the rest of you) to blab on about sports or whatever
articles written by proffesional journalists=people who should know what theyre talking about writting about a relevant issue or topic
cant compare me to sal pal, jamal.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
Why exactly is a football reporter writing an article about Italian-American stereotypes in a TV Show?
not much different than you posting about hockey or for that matter anything not temple basketball related
Very different. MDS (nor most people on this board) really believe that anyone cares what they have to say. Sal Pal thinks people give a shtein beyond its comical value.
message board=forum for idiots like me (and the rest of you) to blab on about sports or whatever
articles written by proffesional journalists=people who should know what theyre talking about writting about a relevant issue or topic
espn.com page 2>this message board......barely
anyway stop taking everything so literal lucas
Its okay guy, I'm never serious. Sopranos rock!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2006, 10:38:36 AM
message board=forum for idiots like me (and the rest of you) to blab on about sports or whatever
articles written by proffesional journalists=people who should know what theyre talking about writting about a relevant issue or topic
espn.com page 2>this message board......barely
anyway stop taking everything so literal lucas
you shouldve picked a real jewey name, like david or adam. i figured you were african-american, so i picked a popular name among them.
Tony was about 5 feet from hell right there.
Sil sure handled the whole power thing well :-D
Liked them getting Buscemi back in there, too
found this description of tonys "dreams" on another board, thought it was pretty good:
QuoteThe "alternate universe" of Costa Mesa is something of a what-if story for Tony. It's clearly also a waiting area between life and death, heaven and hell. Call it purgatory or whatever, but it's clear that Tony is there to figure out who he is and where he is going (as he asks repeatedly in episode 2).
Where is he going? Costa Mesa is beset on both sides by Heaven and Hell. Heaven, represented by the lighthouse and the beautiful oceanic scenes playing on the TVs in the bar, is on one side. Hell, represented by the blazing forrest fire tony sees on TV, is on the other. As the Bartender says, everything in Costa Mesa is dead.
Kevin Finnerty represents Tony's bad side, his ruthlessness, and his sins. The Tony in the dream is Tony without this viciouness. He is more calm, more caring, weaker, and softer. He sells optic lenses. Finnerty, on the other hand, is a ruthless cheating business man. He lives in Arizona (the hottest state) and sells heating equipment, further enforcing the image of a fiery or evil man. He cheated peaceful monks by selling them bad equipment and then skipped town to avoid responsibility.
While Tony is in "purgatory," he must decide whether to accept his sins and perhaps to seek forgiveness, or to be forever damned by pretending to be a good man and denying what he's done. All his ponderings of this decision occur in the bar, where both options (the oceanic heaven and fiery hell) are perpetually displayed on the televisions.
Tony finally asks the bartender, "Do you think I really am Kevin Finnerty?" At this moment, Tony has accepted who and what he is. He is ready to pay for his sins and, presumably, be taken into heaven.
The next morning he gets notice of the Finnerty family reuinion out by The Beacon (heaven). Tony B's presence there has nothing to do with the Leotardo situation. He is simply there because he's a dead member of Tony's family and, as the center of one of Tony's greatest sins, sort of an ambassador to the afterlife. Presumably, the house is filled with other dead relatives, including Tony's mother (who we get a glimpse of in profile as she comes to the door).
Tony B tells Tony that to enter, he must leave business (his briefcase, Finnerty, and the sinful aspects of his life) behind in order to enter. That's when Tony hears Meadow's voice calling him back. Tony clutches tightly to the briefcase and refuses to enter. He won't leave his family behind, and the briefcase (along with all his damnable sins) is necessary to support them.
He reenters the world, sins in hand, to continue as Tony Soprano and be with his family, aware now of the probability of his own damnation.
Not too bad...but I'm still sticking with my Buddhist angle. There was a hint at the beginning of the scene with the movie writer (Tim Daly), where is starts off saying "In a previous incarnation..."
And consider Tony B as a Bodhisattva. He's trying to lead Tony to the afterlife.
The "alternate universe" of Costa Mesa is something of a what-if story for Tony. It's clearly also a waiting area between life and death, heaven and hell. Call it purgatory or whatever, but it's clear that Tony is there to figure out who he is and where he is going (as he asks repeatedly in episode 2).
Where is he going? Costa Mesa is beset on both sides by Heaven and Hell. Heaven, represented by the lighthouse and the beautiful oceanic scenes playing on the TVs in the bar, is on one side. Hell, represented by the blazing forrest fire tony sees on TV, is on the other. As the Bartender says, everything in Costa Mesa is dead.
Kevin Finnerty represents Tony's bad side, his ruthlessness, and his sins. The Tony in the dream is Tony without this viciouness. He is more calm, more caring, weaker, and softer. He sells optic lenses. Finnerty, on the other hand, is a ruthless cheating business man. He lives in Arizona (the hottest state) and sells heating equipment, further enforcing the image of a fiery or evil man. He cheated peaceful monks by selling them bad equipment and then skipped town to avoid responsibility.
While Tony is in "purgatory," he must decide whether to accept his sins and perhaps to seek forgiveness, or to be forever damned by pretending to be a good man and denying what he's done. All his ponderings of this decision occur in the bar, where both options (the oceanic heaven and fiery hell) are perpetually displayed on the televisions.
Tony finally asks the bartender, "Do you think I really am Kevin Finnerty?" At this moment, Tony has accepted who and what he is. He is ready to pay for his sins and, presumably, be taken into heaven.
The next morning he gets notice of the Finnerty family reuinion out by The Beacon (heaven). Tony B's presence there has nothing to do with the Leotardo situation. He is simply there because he's a dead member of Tony's family and, as the center of one of Tony's greatest sins, sort of an ambassador to the afterlife. Presumably, the house is filled with other dead relatives, including Tony's mother (who we get a glimpse of in profile as she comes to the door).
Tony B tells Tony that to enter, he must leave business (his briefcase, Finnerty, and the sinful aspects of his life) behind in order to enter. That's when Tony hears Meadow's voice calling him back. Tony clutches tightly to the briefcase and refuses to enter. He won't leave his family behind, and the briefcase (along with all his damnable sins) is necessary to support them.
He reenters the world, sins in hand, to continue as Tony Soprano and be with his family, aware now of the probability of his own damnation.
you should be banned for posting that drivel
last night was a great episode
thank god tony is awake again
actually, that drivel is pretty much what i thought about the episode too, but i forgot, you can't handle abstract thought, farger.
i loved Christopher trying to talk business when Tony could barely keep his eyes open.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 27, 2006, 09:26:17 AM
actually, that drivel is pretty much what i thought about the episode too,
same here.
Added to the list of things I don't understand: Why IGY tries to be a pseudo-intellectual snob when it comes to movies...but can't get his brain around aspects of the Sopranos that don't directly involve shooting people.
i understand it
a monkey could understand it
everyone knows what it means
its not the davinci code
i dont feel the need to write a 1000 word essay analyzing it...or a movie for that matter...pump your brakes its TELEVISION
but....i love television, it's my best friend
and it loves you back...in the form of a 100 dollar bill once a month
momma always said i'd have to pay for friendship
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2006, 08:33:17 AMyou should be banned for posting that drivel
You should be banned for repeating the whole damned thing using that dumbassed bold-for-a-quote stuff. :P
You should be banned for repeating the whole damned thing using that dumbassed bold-for-a-quote stuff
maybe not banning but i generally agree with your post
What is Carmela gonna do about what she saw at the elevator after she got that phat wad of cash? Does she tell Chris? Tony? Noone?
Somebody is gettin it either this week or next.
it was funny as hell when Paulie was babbling on and on and Tony was hearing him through the wall at the hotel
i have a feeling vito is going to rape finn
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 27, 2006, 11:55:25 AM
it was funny as hell when Paulie was babbling on and on and Tony was hearing him through the wall at the hotel
And his heart rate was going up and up.
Waco, I don't think there is anything she can do. At least right now. But she knows that if Tony didn't recover, she - and the kids - would be in in the middle of some pretty serious stuff. She's gotta resolve to either bow up and get be prepared to get nasty, or else get the hell out.
Sounded in the previews that she mentions something about it to Tony next week. Could be something else, but she said that he had to watch out for someone.
the one part i didn't quite get was Carmella's conversation in Dr. Melfi's office. i wasn't quite sure what the point of that was.
That was a good scene, really. It was about what Carmela knew and pretended not to know, and how the kids are no longer kids and are now active participants in the lies and the life.
or was it melfi showing her desire for tony by saying that she thought things were better with carmela and tony...secretly hoping for the answer she wanted to hear
Nah.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2006, 02:16:26 PM
or was it melfi showing her desire for tony by saying that she thought things were better with carmela and tony...secretly hoping for the answer she wanted to hear
i doubt it, cause she could've had him at the begining of season 5
she doesnt necessarily 'want' him but she views carmela as comeptition and a source of jealousy...she doesnt really know what she wants with tony...perhaps also the better things go with carmela the less she will see of him
good point, she admitted before she likes the danger of treating him
Last night started slow but I enjoyed it.
I am glad Tony is out of it now and we can move on to seeing people whacked. Vito needs to go. The fact that he's already talking up Phil Leonardo shows that his loyalty to Tony's crew isn't there. Did you see the look on his face when Tony didn't die? He wasn't happy.
So either Vito gets caught smokin another hog and gets whacked, his loyalty to Johnny Sacks crew causes him to go bye or the Columbian hit causes Tony to ice him. One of those three happens, IMO.
Or maybe Tony gets his prick sucked by Vito and the show turns into one big gay mafia
Is it true that you are now Vito's stunt double for all prick sucking scenes?
Is it true that you are now Vito's stunt double for all prick sucking scenes?
lol...a mouth double
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2006, 03:14:45 PM
Is it true that you are now Vito's stunt double for all prick sucking scenes?
this isnt the brown bunny, vincent gallo
kind of a meh episode.
they are setting up people trying to take advantage of Tony because of his improved outlook on life.
Paulie is such a piece of shtein. But I love him.
I enjoyed last nights episode. There was a lot of setting up done for sure.
-Paulie is being set up to be a loose cannon and that could hurt him. We hadn't seen much of him lately but last night it was a lot of his messed up situation. Him going Jeff Gillooly on that kid didn't help matters.
- Bobby Bacala shooting Treach in the ass and then giving Tony the money and saying it was a good week for him was to try to show that he is pulling in more than Vito and thinking that will help him take over that area for good.
- Carm telling Tony to watch out for Vito only solidifies the fact that he is about to catch some shtein. That plus him going and talking to Phil L. about Tony doesn't help him.
- They are trying to portray Tony as some potential born again whackjob. And with Hesh and Christopher there it doesn't help him because you know that they are going to blab about Tony possibly being soft now.
- The white trash guys whuppin up on the hispanic trash guy in front of his kid only adds to the beef between the Johnny Sack and Tony crews.
More Meadow stripper dances
Paulie is fixin to get whacked.
Maybe it was just me, but i cracked up laughin when dude got shot in the ass.
Previews made it look like a lot of fightin is about to come which is very enticing to me. I'm ready to see some people get waxed.
The way I see it, it's setting up for everyone to get on Tony's bad side. Think about it. Paulie goes against Tony's promise and beats up the kid. Vito is plotting behind Tony's back, and Carmela told Tony. Bobby went behind Tony's back to make a buck, risking bringing attention to the mafia if he got caught shooting him. Then Silvio in the previous episodes was being boosted up by his wife, telling Silvio that he's a better leader than Tony.
I think it's going to end up either having them all turn on Tony, or Tony going against every one of them, leaving the family in shambles.
Oh, and no one beats Paulie. He always makes me laugh.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 03, 2006, 04:21:40 PM
Oh, and no one beats Paulie. He always makes me laugh.
No doubt... last week was classic:
"My farging bawls!!"
My mother's a whore, my mother's a farging whore!
I loved the music choice for the closing credits.
Pink Floyd's "One Of These Days" 8)
Quote from: Greenfeather on April 03, 2006, 04:59:13 PM
I loved the music choice for the closing credits.
Pink Floyd's "One Of These Days" 8)
Yeah...that was choice.
No episode on May 28. Holiday weekend. Season raps up June 4.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
whens the wire start up again
sept you cracker
Good episode tonight. This one was directed by Steve Buschemi...
Tony's trying to be a tough guy again. Picking the biggest baddest sumbitch and fighting him. But then and goes and pukes up blood. So now what? Does he go back in the hospital? I hope not.
Vito getting caught in the fag bar was hilarious. He called Syl to see if anyone squealed. Now he hasn't called Tony back? Think he killed himself or went looking to off those two who caught him in the Blue Oyster? I think he shot himself. Because if he doesn't do it, Tony will do it for him.
Meadow is still fargin hot.
Frankie Valli is going to get offed too. I was hoping it would be tonight. And now Phil Leonardo seems to want to whack Johnny Sack. The weakness talk is what caused Tony to go apeshtein on that dude.
He definitely went to kill those 2 guys. They want you to think he killed himself.
Also I don't think Tony threw up blood. It was probably just tomato sauce. That would be an awful lot of blood to puke up.
Good episode tonight. Buschemi has never dissapointed. Vito's definitely dead either by shooting himself or running from it all. Though phreak you might be right when he talked to Sil and Sil said nothing, may have given him the time to track down the guys from the bar.
Maybe he went to kill them and then kill himself too? Because if he just kills himself then those two goons talk anyways and Vito's wife and kids have to hear about him liking to smoke pole.
I would hope its just tomato sauce. I don't want anymore hospital stuff. Let's get the stuff moving that they have been setting up.
Also, I got a good laugh when he asked Dr. Melfi for a mercy farg.
I don't think he'll kill himself.
Vito is turning into the main villian this season. He can't go this early. He's the one plotting against Tony.
Also there's still that side story with Finn.
I hate Vito. He is turning into a villain, so maybe you're right. But even if he didn't off himself, he will get it soon enough. Either Finn speaks up and they kill Vito afterwards, Vito gets caught after killing those two, Vito gets too deep in his little feud with Bobby Bacala or the Columbian thing with Paulie causes him to get offed. He's a dead man one way or the other.
I think Vito is going to cause some major damage before he goes.
He'll either spread bad blood between the two families, with Phil and Tony, or he'll get people to turn against Tony in his own family.
Or he may even switch families himself.
Vito is surely going to be the cause of some major trouble IMO. He'll get wacked, but I think by then he'll have poisoned the river so to speak.
Before Vito goes, I always assume he'd try and rape Fin.
Forgot to bring this up, but does anyone think there was any significance to the guys at the club that asked for automatic weapons from Christopher?
Remember earlier in the season, when agent Harris asked Christopher if he knew anyone who could be a terrorist? He said if he knows of anyone, he should make sure to report them to the authorities.
Maybe they are terrorists.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 10, 2006, 01:54:24 AM
Forgot to bring this up, but does anyone think there was any significance to the guys at the club that asked for automatic weapons from Christopher?
Remember earlier in the season, when agent Harris asked Christopher if he knew anyone who could be a terrorist? He said if he knows of anyone, he should make sure to report them to the authorities.
Maybe they are terrorists.
Absolutely. Puts him between a rock and a hard place.
Should he report them and risk them exposing his whole thing?
Or does he let it go and end up giving weapons to terrorists?
Or kill them. Gee, I wonder what will happen.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 10, 2006, 01:54:24 AM
Forgot to bring this up, but does anyone think there was any significance to the guys at the club that asked for automatic weapons from Christopher?
Remember earlier in the season, when agent Harris asked Christopher if he knew anyone who could be a terrorist? He said if he knows of anyone, he should make sure to report them to the authorities.
Maybe they are terrorists.
Definitely. They were the same guys chillin at the Bing after the scene at the sandwich shop with the FBI. Now they are asking him for Tech 9's and shtein like that. This is another thing that Chase has going. He has a lot of stuff going and I would like to see some of the loose ends tied up soon.
i think vito did kill those two cats....then went to a random hotel to hide as he wasnt sure if they talked before he got them
outstanding episode last night
I don't think Vito's killing himself. The way this show goes, they'd show it in graphic detail if he did that. Plus I think they spent way too much time developing the situation to just have him disappear like that.
Gotta love Tony's line with the shrink about the mercy farg.
QuoteChristopher: "Allegra?" Ain't that a cold medicine?
Paulie: It means "happiness" in Italian.
Christopher: (pauses) What the farg's that got to do with cold medicine?
:yay
one thing that didnt make any sense whatsoever was vito going to a gay bar that is a collection point...he would never ever go there
its a tv show
exactly my point when i laugh at you when posting 10,000 word essays breaking down the weeks episode
point out the 10,000 word essay i wrote breaking down an episode igy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2006, 12:57:41 PM
one thing that didnt make any sense whatsoever was vito going to a gay bar that is a collection point...he would never ever go there
or maybe his gayness is keeping him from making sound mental choices which will lead to his downfall.... like not going to a gay bar that is a collection point.
perhaps.....but they didnt exactly portray him as out of control and not of clear mind and sound before he did it
They did seem to be making implications that he was having problems. The way he was with his eating, his talk about taking over Tony's branch, and the way he was acting toward Meadow's guy. Dude is ready to snap, one way or another.
the only thing i noticed that really got to him was the wedding causing him to crave penis
That's because you weren't paying attention in earlier episodes.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2006, 02:50:47 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 10, 2006, 01:54:24 AM
Forgot to bring this up, but does anyone think there was any significance to the guys at the club that asked for automatic weapons from Christopher?
Remember earlier in the season, when agent Harris asked Christopher if he knew anyone who could be a terrorist? He said if he knows of anyone, he should make sure to report them to the authorities.
Maybe they are terrorists.
Definitely. They were the same guys chillin at the Bing after the scene at the sandwich shop with the FBI. Now they are asking him for Tech 9's and shtein like that. This is another thing that Chase has going. He has a lot of stuff going and I would like to see some of the loose ends tied up soon.
To me, the way those two A-Rabs said that to Christopher sounded like a setup. It was as if they were wearing a wire or something. They specifically said the type of weapon they wanted maybe in hopes that Chrissy boy would incriminate himself. It just sounded that way to me.
My friend and I both analyzed the end of the episode in different ways.
What I'm talking about specifically is when Tony was eyeballing everyone, and then he looked at all their arms.
The way I saw it was, Tony noticed how relaxed everyone was getting around him, which lead him to believe they no longer feared him in his condition. So he had to make a statement to show that he's still the man, and you better still fear him.
Then, Tony looked at everyone's build to find the strongest one, that would set the biggest example. Beating up Paulie or Bobby wouldn't show anything. So he picked the "Philadelphia lawyer" and beat him up.
That is the way I saw it. My friend thinks he did it because he was insecure about his weight(because he talked about not losing any weight in the hospital), and when he saw Bobby it made him angry. Then he got jealous of his driver's build and decided to beat him up.
I totally disagree with the way my friend saw it.
he definitley picked the bodyguard because he was the strongest and toughest there
I thought it was an obvious attempt to pick out the biggest dog and kick the crap out of him. After the talk about Johnny Sack losing his balls, Tony definitely needed to make a statement.
His throwing up (regardless of what he was throwing up) shows that he didn't want to do it, but he had to.
I think his throwing up shows that he exerted way too much physicality in his current condition, and it is not recommended he does it again.
I can go with that, too. But he had an interesting look on his face between pukes.
A look of joy?
Demented joy.
I agree. He had a look onhis face that said "farg yeah".
So now does this mean Tony is going to go on a rampage to continue to show his "new" aggression? What will Paulie and the boys say about him using a BS excuse to whup on that guy?
I can't wait for Sunday.
Eventually I think the family is going to turn against Tony, by Vito's hand.
I can see that happening.
(http://image57.webshots.com/157/7/34/25/464373425nJupFl_ph.jpg)
And have Tony, Carm and the kids getting whacked in the end maybe?
Quote from: The Waco Kid on April 10, 2006, 05:22:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2006, 02:50:47 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 10, 2006, 01:54:24 AM
Forgot to bring this up, but does anyone think there was any significance to the guys at the club that asked for automatic weapons from Christopher?
Remember earlier in the season, when agent Harris asked Christopher if he knew anyone who could be a terrorist? He said if he knows of anyone, he should make sure to report them to the authorities.
Maybe they are terrorists.
Definitely. They were the same guys chillin at the Bing after the scene at the sandwich shop with the FBI. Now they are asking him for Tech 9's and shtein like that. This is another thing that Chase has going. He has a lot of stuff going and I would like to see some of the loose ends tied up soon.
To me, the way those two A-Rabs said that to Christopher sounded like a setup. It was as if they were wearing a wire or something. They specifically said the type of weapon they wanted maybe in hopes that Chrissy boy would incriminate himself. It just sounded that way to me.
Good assumption Waco...didnt see that with the Arabs...I think your right on
The italian mob doesnt go after families, not even for rats. If this was the Red Mafiya it would be a blood fest.
One thing I know: 16 episodes left for Meadow to get naked. What the farg is taking the writers so long to throw some meaningless nude scene in there?
Well, we know that Vito didn't kill himself or those two who saw him in the fag bar. And we know that the dude Tony whupped up on had no problems after the fact nor did Tony's people. They established these two things right off the bat.
Now, what will Tony do about Vito? And even if he decides to let him live will Phil Leonardo whack him because he's fargin over Phils cousin?
Next week's looks very good! Was that little Doogie Howser prick the guy swinging on TOny in the previews?!? Whats up with that?
Paulie's reactions were classic when he found out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 10:08:23 PM
Well, we know that Vito didn't kill himself or those two who saw him in the fag bar. And we know that the dude Tony whupped up on had no problems after the fact nor did Tony's people. They established these two things right off the bat.
Now, what will Tony do about Vito? And even if he decides to let him live will Phil Leonardo whack him because he's fargin over Phils cousin?
Next week's looks very good! Was that little Doogie Howser prick the guy swinging on TOny in the previews?!? Whats up with that?
Benny hit Artie I think.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 16, 2006, 10:11:16 PM
Paulie's reactions were classic when he found out.
It had me rolling when he found out he was "catching not pitching".
yeah overused and unfunny gay joks are all the rage
:flipoff I thought it was.
good episode again. they are hitting on all cylinders.
the major fault in this weeks show was the fact that they finish last week with tony re-establishing himself...then this week hes right back to defending the indefensible...
It was good tonight. Artie is as weak as they come, but it was funny seeing him beat up little Benny. He kicked his ass, and was hardly even stunned after 2 nice shots in the face from Benny. Artie is an idiot though. His emotional problems get him into deep shtein every season.
I thought Artie was going swimming with the fishes when they were out boating. I had that shocked for an instant feeling that Tony was going to have to Big Hoyda him...
Anyone else think that Chris' new movie mindset, complete with hookers and blow, is going to cost him a little bit? They gave the hint that he thinks he is pretty much untouchable because of Adriana, but Tony squashed that right down...
"You have great tits"
"Thanks, baby."
:-D
From the preview of the next episode, i'm wondering if maybe Vito finds out that Finn squealed and he goes back and beats his ass. Maybe way off base, but just something i thought about.
I thought Artie was going swimming with the fishes when they were out boating.
no way would tony ever do that in front of carmela much less arties wife
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2006, 12:57:41 PM
one thing that didnt make any sense whatsoever was vito going to a gay bar that is a collection point...he would never ever go there
at least we all learned that all guy dudes really do dress like the village people.
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2006, 10:43:26 AM
"You have great tits"
"Thanks, baby."
:-D
She did, too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2006, 10:47:28 AM
I thought Artie was going swimming with the fishes when they were out boating.
no way would tony ever do that in front of carmela much less arties wife
Exactly. But I was thinking Artie would get some kind of message, at least.
I thought he was going to get it right at the end as he was about to cook up Peter Cottontail. The way the scene was set up I was expecting someone to come in the back door and blow his brains out.
A la Goodfellas.
I'm still holding out for Meadow nude.
Man I was never a huge Julianna Margolise fan before tonight but something about her was extremely fargable tonight. I liked the episode. :yay
Oh and someone has to say it, Brokeback Mafia.
Vito is so farging gay.
uhhh sweet lord the gay stuff...not really what you want on the sopranos. but nonetheless, another stellar episode.
I was really hoping that AJ was going to go Murderin' Ray on Uncle Junior's ass. But he can't even stab a guy right. What the hell is wrong with him?!?
Dr. Melfi's boss sure asks a lot of questions. The whole "does he cry" thing screams of the shrink running to the tabloids about Mr. Mafia seeing a shrink and crying. And AJ's friends ask a lot of questions too.
AJ is a punk bitch. He annoys me.
And for the love of god....less gay shtein.
They've shown more of Vito gettin it on than Meadow! That just ain't right!
Phreak loves him some Johnny Cakes.
Only when you're standing over a hot grill and cooking them.
Cool. Now lets bike down to the pond and make out.
yeah i think we all get it....vito is gay
we also are aware that closet gays have inner demons about coming out....is there anything more cliche in tv and movies?...the sopranos are better than that
well, there is the aj is turning into his father cliche.
true but thats what the show is all about...its a major theme...
this vito stuff is being included for strictly shock value
i agree.
but when aj had the panic attack at the club, i found myself thinking "okay, we get it already...aj's turning into his dad.".
oh well...it's still an excellent show.
Maybe I just wasn't in the right mindset, but last night's episode bored me to tears.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2006, 11:56:11 AM
yeah i think we all get it....vito is gay
we also are aware that closet gays have inner demons about coming out....is there anything more cliche in tv and movies?...the sopranos are better than that
White linebackers can't play in the NFL?
Oh wait, that's cliche in message boards.
White OLB linebackers can't play in the NFL?
Oh wait, that's mostly fact in real life
I missed the end of the show. Did Tony end up bangin' the broad from ER?
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He quit her when he thought of his wife buttoning up his shirt for him. He had ripped her panties off her and everything..
I was seriously looking forweard to some Julianne t!tties
(http://celebritypictures.duble.com/picturesphotospics/J/julianamargulies/1.jpg)
In general, I don't she's all that hot. But she looked good last night.
She's gotten better with age.
(http://images.toronto.com/feature/12522/juliana-margulies_400.jpg)
Tony is turning into a more likeable guy this season. He seems to be in grips with somewhat respecting human life now since his coma.
Janice hasnt been in the show since like episode 2. I want no part of her after I saw too much of her boob.
She'll be in the next epi according to the previews.
Quote from: MDS on May 01, 2006, 04:24:54 PM
Janice hasnt been in the show since like episode 2. I want no part of her after I saw too much of her boob.
WTF dude? Everybody's talking about hot Julliana, Tony ripping off her panties and such...and you start thinking about Janice?
MDS is the guy who takes one for the team.
We're all talking about hot chicks. And hot chicks always have the ugly friend with them, right?
MDS is the guy who bangs the ugly friend. He runs interference.
MDS = DUFFF'er!
:yay
Maybe he should be keeping Vito busy at the lake, then.
Speaking of which...
From a strictly hetero point of view here, what the hell would anybody, gay or otherwise, find attractive with Vito? The dude is a friggin' cartoon character.
because vito is definitely a catcher and that is very attractive to a lot of homosexuals...the passive mate
anyway its all brown on the inside...who cares if hes rockin four bills
:-D farg you all, you dirty Romes.
Sounds like you're putting the offer out there. Nice.
Only with Art. I'm going up to Mills Manor to be touched by a coaching angel.
Ha. Artie Bucco did some coke and got drunk, and promptly got arrested for a dui.
The dude who plays Tonys new bodyguard, the dude who he beat up a few episodes ago, also was arrested over the weekend.
gotta love the guidos.
Not a bad episode. Paulie didn't look like a total POS for the first time at the end. Still don't think Chris is ending up alive. Dude is still a freakin druggie. But that new bitch he knocked up is a total hottie. She needs to have a lezzie with Meadow.
Paulie probably has prostate cancer with the way he acted at the end.
I thought it was a pretty boring episode. With only three left in the season, they sure are makin you wait for any good whackings.
I agree about Chris though. He's a major drug addict and will most likely end up getting concrete boots. And his biatch is hot indeed.
It just seemed like there was some weird tension between him and Tony in the basement scene where he told Tony he sold his wine for $300.
i always thought that if Tony got whacked, it would be Christopher who did it. but now I'm thinking that it could be Bobby because he does whatever Janice wants.
i want aj killed so bad i can taste it
AJ is happy
I can't take Vito's gayness anymore. I had to look away at some parts. Ok, he's gay, but does he have to get all lovey dovey with that dude Jim every 15 minutes?
It was funny seeing Bobby get mugged by a bunch of 15 year old black kids.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 14, 2006, 10:19:02 PM
I can't take Vito's gayness anymore. I had to look away at some parts. Ok, he's gay, but does he have to get all lovey dovey with that dude Jim every 15 minutes?
It was funny seeing Bobby get mugged by a bunch of 15 year old black kids.
Yeah I have had enough of that gay shtein too, hopefully we won't have to see much more of that crap.
Ha. Funny when Cakes and Vito were spooning, then they cut to Bobby's train going into the tunnel. Good ol' 2nd grade sex humor. Gotta love it.
Once again, Janice=Livia
Funny seeing Bobby get mugged by a bunch of knockos. Shocker we didn't see them get clipped in return.
Anyone notice when Bobby and Tony were watching the game, it was the Eagles? I clearly heard McNabb and Westbrook said on the TV. Sounded like the Giants were killin us. Whats funny is if they chose the taterskins instead to be killed by the Giants in a fictional and totally arbitrary setting, their piece of shtein fans would all be whining and crying about the media and how they hate the taterskins.
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2006, 02:09:30 AM
Ha. Funny when Cakes and Vito were spooning, then they cut to Bobby's train going into the tunnel. Good ol' 2nd grade sex humor. Gotta love it.
Once again, Janice=Livia
Funny seeing Bobby get mugged by a bunch of knockos. Shocker we didn't see them get clipped in return.
Anyone notice when Bobby and Tony were watching the game, it was the Eagles? I clearly heard McNabb and Westbrook said on the TV. Sounded like the Giants were killin us. Whats funny is if they chose the taterskins instead to be killed by the Giants in a fictional and totally arbitrary setting, their piece of shtein fans would all be whining and crying about the media and how they hate the taterskins.
:-D
They aren't gonna clip a bunch of 15 year olds.
But the inside joke thing was funny.
i agree with Janice = Livia. that's why I think it is eventually her who is behind a move against Tony if that's how the show ends.
the Johnny Sack thing is huge. I guess Phil will move into the top spot permanantly. i wonder if New York will make a move against him in prison for breaking omerta.
Sack and/or Vito be gone by seasons end
That's only two more episodes man. They cannot possibly end all this in nine more total episodes.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 15, 2006, 11:55:19 AM
i agree with Janice = Livia. that's why I think it is eventually her who is behind a move against Tony if that's how the show ends.
the Johnny Sack thing is huge. I guess Phil will move into the top spot permanantly. i wonder if New York will make a move against him in prison for breaking omerta.
I agree. The leash is off Phil now. Phil is going to be like 80 when Johnny Sack gets out. He'll be rotting away in his death bed. He doesn't have to kiss up to him anymore. Phil is going to probably drop the nice guy act that he kept up only for John's sake. Phil is still pissed about his kid brother.
Things that are going to happen: NY is going to get into it with NJ because Phil is in charge now, and Carmela will find out what really happened to Ade.
Things are going to fall apart for Tony probably.
Who's eatin a bullet tonight?!
Vito, killed by Johnny Cakes
i love you MDS cakes.
Finally, a war.
But half the episode sucked again. I really don't care about Carmela. Just stop with the nonsense and let's see thing escalate already.
yeah ENOUGH WITH PARIS!
other than that though....a brilliant return for the show after two piss poor episodes...two weeks ago being one of the worst ever...galdolfinis work in the garage with aj was so good....he was absolutely frightening...bordering on sadistic.......i thought for sure he was gonna beat the piss outta him...brilliant....
it was also good to see signs of david chases writing back in the script...
the scene where phills guy gets killed at the bing was purposely reminiscent of the shine box scene...the irony of course being that it was phil leotardo who was killed in goodfellas
Phil coming "out of the closet" was classic.
The problem I have with this season is that there seem to be too many story lines. I like most episodes this season as an individual part but it really doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I don't mind tangents (like Paris or the Artie episode) if they can be resolved logically within the main story line. It just seems with only 9 episodes left ever that the show has gotten away and it seems unlikely that everything can be tied together adequately.
Last nights show was great though.
every time I saw Carmela looking at the statues for 9 minutes, Im thinking they might break into some kind of old memory scene or something might happen. The fact that they just had her frollicking around daydreaming about fine art and having deep "jack handy" thoughts was brutal. Nobody needs that crap, especially when you only have an hour episode.
Quote from: MURP on May 22, 2006, 10:09:05 AM
Phil coming "out of the closet" was classic.
He looked like Dracula at first.
Well I called Vito dieing, of course, I knew his fag friend wouldnt be one killing him. But, man I do love you Johnny Cakes.
Good episode overall, the Carmela thing went on too long, but it was good set up for her I think finally giving up on "the life," mostly through Ade's death (first person tony had killed that carmela had a friendly relationship with). Shes been denying what kind of life shes in, but I see it all cultivating in the finale with her running away or just plain killing tony when she gets the true facts about ade.
I think AJ might try to kill himself.
The previews showed some street thugs eyeing him down. He might get jumped next week.
I still think they need to get someone in Tony's family wacked, if not every one of them. It would make for an extremely powerful scene. As much of a criminal and bad guy Tony is, he loves his family. He'd have a total breakdown if anyone in his family got killed.
Quote from: reese125 on May 22, 2006, 11:08:40 AM
every time I saw Carmela looking at the statues for 9 minutes, Im thinking they might break into some kind of old memory scene or something might happen. The fact that they just had her frollicking around daydreaming about fine art and having deep "jack handy" thoughts was brutal. Nobody needs that crap, especially when you only have an hour episode.
Yeah...no shtein man. Hell, they really aren't even giving us a full hour episode. Last night it started at 9:05 and then they have the stupid flashback and theme song. That takes up about 5 mins there and then at the end they cut it off at like 9:56. Hell..we only got about 49 mins last night. It's fargin BS!!
We are owed an hour and 20 min episode. Farg Big Love!
most of the episodes don't go an hour.
Did you not understand what i posted? That was my rant. We are owed a full 60 minutes or more.
Whatta bunch of whining babies. You'll take what HBO dishes out, and you'll like it.
the episode actually ended around 1000, which made the running time a little over 50 minutes. usually episodes run from 52-57, so really, it was normal length. shut up, bitch.
Nothing on television runs the full length of the time slot it's in.
But wouldn't you like it to?
Seinfeld was notorious for not running more than 20-22 mins.
i have actual things in my life to care about more than how long a show runs
I can't see how because you spend the majority of your day on a football forum and it's the off-season.
i don't spend the majority of my day here. and there are forums other than football.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 23, 2006, 01:59:22 PM
i don't spend the majority of my day here. and there are forums other than football.
almost 17 posts a day...most of them at work (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1631;sa=statPanel)...
actually pretty funny. i'm probably not too far from that...
thats tight...how do you get that general stats page
for clarification:
sitcoms run 20-22 minutes
dramas run 40-42 minutes
for hbo shows, the only two i can think off that constantly run the full time are curb (30+) and the wire (rarely below 58).
also, in syndication, they edit a few minutes out of each episode to increase commerical time. So on a 7:30 seinfeld, the actual episode running time is normally like 18 minutes.
Nice episode this week.
The only thing that I am pissed about is that they waited so long to get this war started. We've got one episode left this season and then have to wait until January.
At least Vito is dead.
Now, can someone PLEASE kill Janice? Please?
Oh, and Meadow needs to do a nude scene too.
We've got one episode left this season and then have to wait until January.
i thought the final 8 started in the fall
you thought wrong
your mom shoulda swallowed you
she did...but i was born anyway...cause i'm awesome
PLEASE change your name
does it make you feel uncomfortable?
on the contrary...it tingles my pee pee area
the truth will set you free
Man I thought Christopher was gonna get wacked.
It was a good episode, but not great. The Phil thing was surprising.
Overall a below average season.
The season started off so good, but then faded big time.
I also thought Christopher was going to eat a bullet. I thought he was going to get it while eating dinner with Julianna. She has turned into a hottie since she left ER.
Speaking of hotties...AJ's girlfriend is smokin hot!
I still love this show. I can't wait until January to see how it ends. I wish tonight was a 2hr finale though. And I would love to see them do a movie after the final 8.
I usually am against movies based on TV shows, because they have no impact on the show, and have a different feel.
the Sopranos has lost its violent touch and seems to be going off on so many tangents--overall below avg. season
I think they bring it in January though
i love the look carmela gave when she saw aj's beaner gf and kid. these people are great. being apart of an organized crime family is okay, but dating some dominican isnt? what a bitch.
i knew chris wasnt getting whacked. he signed a deal for the final 8 episodes. so did johnny sack. they are contracted, as well as tony and carmela. everyone else was expendable in that episode, but obviously in due time they will all sign.
Quote from: MDS on June 04, 2006, 11:16:41 PM
i love the look carmela gave when she saw aj's beaner gf and kid. these people are great. being apart of an organized crime family is okay, but dating some dominican isnt? what a bitch.
i knew chris wasnt getting whacked. he signed a deal for the final 8 episodes. so did johnny sack. they are contracted, as well as tony and carmela. everyone else was expendable in that episode, but obviously in due time they will all sign.
I thought she was happy for AJ at first until giving the look. And she knows that her husband has been known to bang other broads and she goes along with it for the most part. Why? Because of the money. Golddiggin bitch!
Now someone go get me some nudie pics of AJ's girlfriend.
What a rip. They had a damn sex scene and they couldn't even show her tits. Meadow hasn't had (on screen) sex since season 2 at college with the fruity black guy that Tony told to piss off cause he's racist.
No shtein.
I was hoping to get a nice view of those funbags flopping around. Damn you David Chase! You took away the whackings and then you take away MY whackin!
Ok, I'm convinced more than ever that AJ is gonna die at the hands of Tony's enemies, ushering in the "son will bear the sins of the father" scenario.
Christopher will end up doing something bad -- either OD'ing, or getting killed. Frankly, I was surprised it wasn't tonight.
Tony's empassioned and heartfelt conversation with Phil... interesting and timely.
Phil's right-hand, kill-'em-now-ask-questions-later man... creepy.
AJ's new squeeze... definitely a hot latina. Ironically, it may be from her and her son that he finally realizes the necessity of growing up and making your way, only to be tragically killed.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 04, 2006, 11:22:31 PM
Now someone go get me some nudie pics of AJ's girlfriend.
Sorry, Phreak... no nudies. But here she is in a bra about to suck face with another hot chick. :yay
(http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper210/072804_hate.jpg)
And here (http://images.celebritymoviearchive.com/members/thumbs/b/bM3612-KerryWashington&DaniaRamirez@SheHateMe.jpg) is a four-frame set of her doing just that....
I thought Chris was gonna get popped, too. Now I'm looking for Tony to get it in the show's finale (or maybe even before). I wonder what's going through Phil's head about Tony. I suspect his boys are going to clean house in NJ and he's going to take over. If he survives the heart thing, of course.
i rather see vito and johnny cakes have sex than aj and any living female....he repulses me to the point of nausea...
and i dont care that the ho knows who his father is or whatever the spin is as to why shes with him...its totally unrealistic...she wouldnt give him the time of day under any circumstances
the season was just ok...show is ending at the right time...
the wire runs hbo now
`The Sopranos' ends on disappointing note (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060605/ap_on_en_tv/tv_sopranos_finale_recap;_ylt=AulVJGTCIfQgvOmzl80Mu1dI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--)
Deadwood and Entourage return next week
along withe premire of Lucky Louie, which looks funny.
It was a really disjointed episode, for sure. It was like the editor took that week off and they cobbled together what they could. They should have had at least had one seriously "oh, wow" moment.
what season is this for deadwood??
ive never seen it but my cousin who curses like a sailor told me that deafdwood has to much cursing in it
season 3 of deadwood and yes, they curse all the time
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 05, 2006, 09:07:09 AM
season 3 of deadwood and yes, they curse all the time
3rd and last, from the looks of it. And the cursing is part of what makes the program as good as it is.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 05, 2006, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 05, 2006, 09:07:09 AM
season 3 of deadwood and yes, they curse all the time
3rd and last, from the looks of it. And the cursing is part of what makes the program as good as it is.
not quite..
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18317.0
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 05, 2006, 10:28:52 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 05, 2006, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 05, 2006, 09:07:09 AM
season 3 of deadwood and yes, they curse all the time
3rd and last, from the looks of it. And the cursing is part of what makes the program as good as it is.
not quite..
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18317.0
If you want to call 2-2hour "specials" a season, be my guest.
well, my point was that the show wasn't done after the 3rd season
See ya Sopranos--the best series on HBO is right around the corner--Entourage
how many episodes of Entourage this season?
20 from what Im hearing--most ever for a series
that's good...although it's short time, 30 min is good for that show.
....and I know Im getting 30 solid minutes of entertainment too, unlike the 10 minutes of good action/drama, 50 minutes of pussifootin around in Sopranos
they've been replaying it at 8pm before Sopranos, last 2 episodes of last year, the ones shown last night, were simply awesome.
yea, 20 episodes for entourage. normal hbo number is 10-13. normal broadcast number is 22-24.
the first 12 will air over the next 12 weeks. the last 8 were supposed to air in january with the final 8 sopranos. but, now it appears the sopranos isnt coming back until march (they havent even started filming the last episodes, and have only 4 people under contract). that could change things with entourages schedule and the schedule for the rest of the shows.
on the bright side, deadwood is getting some kind of a season 4. milch played hardball, and instead of a 6 episode season to rap things up, he got 2 2hr movies to do it. which is basically 4 episodes. so...yea. deadwood will rap up, who knows when. but its not over after this.
entourage is queerer than a three dollar bill
stop
I dont know..hard sarcasim, funny as hell, extremely hot girls, sex, mid 20-30 in age characters you can relate to...yeah, pretty queer. Take your feet out of your soaker and shaw off IGY
hard sarcasim, funny as hell, extremely hot girls, sex, mid 20-30 in age characters you can relate to
im gonna go out on a limb and say that you cant relate to any of that..except perhaps the age of the characters
being Im the one defending my theory on the show....ummm...yeah
ownage
:-D
i rather see vito and johnny cakes have sex
i really would
I have a theory. Why has Julianna Margulies' character been so easy to contact, and conveniently around the key players in Tony's group? First, she approaches him about selling his building with a buyer who happens to have very deep and very open pockets? Then, she happens to be in Christopher's Anonymous meeting, talking about her event where she was drawn to (almost) sleeping with a dangerous guy? Man, is she ever so accessible.
She's a Fed...
(the main whole in my theory is the drug use. Sure she has to get close, but in real life the Feds do absolutely everything possible to avoid drug use, and then if they have to use, they are taken into detox and counseling almost right away. At least that's the way it was in Under and Alone: The True Story of the Undercover Agent Who Infiltrated America's Most Violent Outlaw Motorcycle Gang. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400060842/103-0352816-6574256?v=glance&n=283155) But, it always works out in TV and movies that the cops get to use. So who knows?)
By the way -- that is a fantastic book.
I thought that for a little, until I realized she is just a dirty little crack whore who is enamored by power and covets others belongings
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on June 05, 2006, 01:44:02 PM
I have a theory. Why has Julianna Margulies' character been so easy to contact, and conveniently around the key players in Tony's group? First, she approaches him about selling his building with a buyer who happens to have very deep and very open pockets? Then, she happens to be in Christopher's Anonymous meeting, talking about her event where she was drawn to (almost) sleeping with a dangerous guy? Man, is she ever so accessible.
She's a Fed...
(the main whole in my theory is the drug use. Sure she has to get close, but in real life the Feds do absolutely everything possible to avoid drug use, and then if they have to use, they are taken into detox and counseling almost right away. At least that's the way it was in Under and Alone: The True Story of the Undercover Agent Who Infiltrated America's Most Violent Outlaw Motorcycle Gang. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400060842/103-0352816-6574256?v=glance&n=283155) But, it always works out in TV and movies that the cops get to use. So who knows?)
By the way -- that is a fantastic book.
She can be whatever she wants in it, she's hot.
the funniest line last night was when the nurse at the home told Junior he could make a hand turkey and he replied, "For Christmas? fargin idiot."
QuoteCast members of hit mafia series The Sopranos are demanding higher salaries after the show's bosses secured a string of lucrative rerun rights and staggering DVD sales. Jamie-Lynn Sigler, who plays Meadow, Robert Iler, who plays A.J., Steven Schirripa, who plays Bobby Bacala, Steven Van Zandt, who plays Silvio Dante, Lorraine Bracco, who plays Dr. Melfi, and Tony Sirico, who plays Paulie 'Walnuts', are all demanding a substantial rise before signing up for the final season, set to begin next month. They've reportedly threatened to walk out unless their wages more than double. However, network HBO is only offering a fraction of their demands, and may be forced to write characters out of the series if they don't settle. A source tells the New York Post, "It's coming down to the wire. HBO just doesn't want to pay. No one has deals and they're very far apart. (Show creator) David Chase has tried to help the actors, but even his pleas have fallen on deaf ears. The guys want (a new deal) to happen. These are the last eight episodes, and the money is going to be coming in for HBO for years to come. But the actors get no residuals - and they want to be compensated. They're being treated like dog s**t." An HBO spokesman refused to comment on the pay reports.
That sucks, but I can't blame the actors too much. It's the end of a run, and some of them might not get lucrative work elsewhere...so they want to be secure.
hbo just playing hardball. theyll meet the demands of the actors.
PASADENA, Calif. -- Sorry "Sopranos" fans, but you're going to have to wait -- again.
But you can blame James Gandolfini's "unexpected knee surgery" for a delay in "The Sopranos" schedule.
So, instead of the final episodes returning in January, they'll probably start running the beginning of March.
HBO said the surgery threw things off for a couple of weeks. Then, it realized the delay would put the show in the middle of football playoffs and the Superbowl.
So, HBO is just waiting until football is finished for the new episodes to start.
Sonofabitch...
Some more HBO news:
-movies moving from saturday to sunday for the fall
-the wire at 10, def comedy jam at 11 in the fall....both shows episodes will premiere on hbo on demand a week before they air on actual hbo
-extras making another season right now, should premiere in january
-rome making its last season now, will be on january at 9
-curb your enthusiasm gonna do another season, probably its last
-big love season 2 in june
-despite the fact that no one watches it, hbo wil probably give the wire a 5th and final season, which will tackle the media.
moving the sopranos to march sucks, but its probably a good idea. why go up against nfl playoffs, have to take a week off for the superbowl and then run your finale during feb sweeps when the major networks are gonna be gonna balls out to get people to watch?
the wire at 10, def comedy jam at 11 in the fall....both shows episodes will premiere on hbo on demand a week before they air on actual hbo
am i reading this correctly?
new episodes will be on demand BEFORE they actually ever air on hbo
I heard The Wire is an excellent show. Never watched it but I might buy Season 1 and see how it is
I heard The Wire is an excellent show. Never watched it but I might buy Season 1 and see how it is
im the wires biggest pimp
all hyperbole aside it really is the best tv show of all-time
you must get it
Next time I am at Best Buy, I'll pick it up. :yay
whats great about it is that every season is totally different yet just as good or better
season 1 - deals with hustlin and drug sellin - the corner
season 2 - deals with union dockworkers and the russian mob
season 3 - deals with the inner workings of city state and pd politics
season two is the goat so far...but you must watch them in order
the wire>>>>>>>sopranos
you're gonna buy it strictly on the King of Hyperbole's recommendation? that's risky my friend.
you're gonna buy it strictly on the King of Hyperbole's recommendation?
"all hyperbole aside"
plus im generally always right...hyperbole or not
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 14, 2006, 04:34:39 PM
[plus im generally always right...hyperbole or not
generally always?
you hyperbolic sumabitch
[Bad joke]Does he sleep in a hyperbolic chamber?[/bad joke]
(http://www.reallyfunnypictures.co.uk/coolpictures/pics/23.02.06/punchtotheface.jpg)
:-D
C'mon, it wasn't as bad as FF's swingset joke about Patricia
maybe, but that's not saying much
seriously...are ff swingset jokes the boards new standard?
Rome and CYE's last seasons? :-[
Sopranos and Entourage start back up on April 8th....just an FYI.
hopefully sopranos rebounds from their disasterous last season
i plain just dont get entourage
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2007, 06:16:43 PM
i plain just dont get entourage
Entourage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your life > The Wire
Entourage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your life > The Wire
BAN?
I saw Tony and the gang on my way to work the other day, when passing Satin Dolls. They must be wrapping it up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2007, 07:05:42 PM
Entourage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your life > The Wire
BAN?
Not quite 2 minutes... took you longer than I thought. :-D
Entourage was a show that took me a while to get into. I had a hard time going from Deadwood to Entourage but i got into the second season and am hooked. I love HBO
Not quite 2 minutes... took you longer than I thought
it was only even that long because i took a half minute deciding btwn DIE and BAN
Rome and The Wire are the best of HBO right now and after the last Soprano's debacle, Entourage is probably 3rd. Good show, but not quite great like everyone says. Vinny Chase is annoying. Ari and Drama make that show.
They do have hot girls though. Emanuelle Chriqui :yay
even though it's not what it once was, i'm still pumped for it to be back.
ill be pumped up for the last episode.....until then im expecting the worst the and hoping for the best
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2007, 06:47:28 PM
until then im expecting the worst the and hoping for the best
it's why we love you so
tonight had to be a joke right?
I'm gonna catch it at midnight...missed the 9pm showing.
Tonight wasn't that great, but this season got really good reviews so I'm hoping.
I actually liked the episode tonight. "It was a fair fight" :-D
Tony is the most insecure person ever. He is never going to let that loss to Bobby go. Tony will punk him back like the punk he is in the future.
While a good episode, this one reminded me how much better of a show The Wire is.
Also, HBO HD kicks ass.
I was wondering how long it'd take for the Wire to hit the subject. Though i 100% agree that i dont go into The Wire and have any disappointments. I think this episode set the stage, Tony with a Rico charge. Bobby with a possible international problem since his shirt got ripped, and he left his prints on the weapon.
Bobby wore latex gloves I believe.
The shirt got ripped for a reason. Bacala gets caught, brings down Tony because he hates him, moves into witness protection with Janice instead.
Boom.
It was funny when Christopher called up Tony all late and wished him a happy birthday and he jyst hung up the phone.
I enjoyed this episode.
MDS' theory could be true. Although he did wear latex gloves, the ripped shirt and the bullet in the dryer could end up hurting him. It went through and through and is likely is good condition. Although that might not matter much since Bobby dropped the gun. But can the ammo be traced to a certain batch? Maybe. And maybe it is some that Tony also used (hollow points).
Tony won't ever forget it though. The first step to him getting revenge was to make him kill the dude.
Also - this episode reminded me how much I farging hate Janice. She needs to get hit by a bus.
I think this episode set the stage
every episode for the last two seasons has 'set the stage'....the problem is nothing ever actually happens...nothing matters until the last episode....they shouldnt even have a season this year...just have a two hour finale show and thats it
i was pumped up watching last night either way
I loved the ending after Bobby does the hit, they have the music playing from his pop's era, he comes home see's his family. Much like his dad did years before that.
I'm pretty ambivalent about it at this point.
I think part of the problem is the show holds itself in a little too high of a regard. The show takes advantage of the format that HBO can offer over traditional outlets, and likes feature slow scenes built on subtlety and nuance and then pit them against cold, hard violence. And while I think that works to a large degree, they take such long breaks that it leaves the viewing public wanting instant gratification which they never get.
Then factor in the purposeful trend of not wrapping up plotlines in a traditional way, and it drives some people nuts. I'm not really one of those people. But the breaks have been so long, that I find it hard to really care with any consistency. That said, I'll still watch.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2007, 01:05:23 AMAnd maybe it is some that Tony also used (hollow points).
From the looks of the hole in the dryer, I doubt that was a hollow point.
Good episode tonight. I liked it quite a bit. Much better than last week.
Looks like we may get the war we've been looking for. >:D
Pretty awesome ending to the show. :yay
yes excellent ending and overall 1000 times better than last weeks episode
its pretty clear that the show is being set up to have viewers make a guess of the end game....does tony get killed or does he get out?
my guess is that phil is gonna kill christopher and that is gonna cause tony to get out or at least be leaning that way as the show ends
I can't wait until someone whacks Christopher.
Just watched it. Not bad, I liked last weeks, but this was still good.
Meadow looked farging hot.
Sorry for the dumb question but we cancelled HBO several years ago and I have not been able to keep up with the show. A&E ain't cutting it. How many seasons has The Sopranos been on? Worth investing in DVD collection? My old man loves this show and he calls me the next morning after every new episode scolding me for not watching and getting HBO.
6 seasons
DVD? Yes. Don't pay attention to what igy says. It's a landmark American television series and even at its worst its still leaps and bounds better than 95% of the stuff on broadcast tv. The acting, writing and directing is top notch. You've been missing out. Ignore all talk about the finale, which airs in june, and start with season 1.
Also you should let your kid watch. He's like 5 or something, but it's about time he saw fake strip club boobs, heard loads of curse words and see gorges of blood and violence.
Worth investing in DVD collection?
absolutely not...the last few years are not worth purchasing the dvd's...unless youre some sopranos groupie and feel the need to own the whole collection but since you didnt feel as tho paying for hbo was even worth it then i would say DO NOT buy the last few seasons...rent them or netflix them
Behind the scenes of Cleaver (http://www.ifilm.com/video/2845176)
So some crazy Asian and Junior....Tony thinks about killing Paulie....Paulie realizes his time is about up....and....yea.
brutal....better than the train wreck of episode one but not much
basically it was 56 minutes of nothingness and two minutes of letting us know phil is the new ny boss
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Man, IGY, I don't think I've ever met someone who is just so miserable with everything. Does ANYTHING make you happy? :-D
I'll usually jump on IGY's nuts for his bombastic opinions but in this case he's right. The Sopranos has been pretty lousy during the past several seasons. The first two seasons are possibly the best individual seasons of television in the history of the medium but it has definitely gone downhill since then.
When the show first started there was a tiny shred of humanity in the characters. Yeah, they were violent, sexist, racist and sociopathic killers but they were also human. Now it's as if everyone is just flat-out evil. They made a huge mistake screwing around with the Carmella/Tony dynamic and they've steadily reduced Melfi's character (who was the moral center of the show in the beginning) to nothing more than a cameo footnote most weeks.
I know it's nearly impossible to retain the same level of quality that the show exhibited those first two seasons and there has been some excellent episodes otherwise but overall the show has lost me as a regular viewer. It's almost as if David Chase hates the characters, hates the audience for watching the show and is bound and determined to make everyone involved suffer for it.
Wow, considering last week's episode, that tirade was a little off-base, no? Sure, this one wasn't as good as the last one, but it wasn't total garbage either.
Complaining about the quality of The Sopranos now is like complaining about a poor vintage of Dom Perignon. Even at its worst it's still one of the best shows on television.
Unfortunately for me as a viewer and a fan the quality has deteriorated over the years where it's now a show I'll watch occasionally as opposed to one I would look forward to each week.
Again... not "bad" but certainly not in the same league as it once was.
Complaining about the quality of The Sopranos now is like complaining about a poor vintage of Dom Perignon. Even at its worst it's still one of the best shows on television.
i agree with this....but being one of the best shows on television is being the tallest midget...prime time tv is unwatchable
my biggest problem with the sopranos is that nothing ever happens so you feel cheated...id almost rather the show completely suck so i could just never watch it again...however the acting is still top notch and the writing is good too....its just that the storylines are just so damn boring
also the cho like guy with the issues and "trouble making friends" thing was kind of uncomfortable
i don't usually agree with IGY about this, but i felt the same way. having another Junior based episode that didn't end up with him dead is just a waste in my opinion.
i'm glad there is less Melfi, her role has been tired for the past few years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2007, 09:12:50 AM
also the cho like guy with the issues and "trouble making friends" thing was kind of uncomfortable
I was thinking the same thing during the episode.
Man, IGY, I don't think I've ever met someone who is just so miserable with everything. Does ANYTHING make you happy?
the wire...mike richards....large quantities of alcohol...fatback...beats...fish net stockings...joe tex and tailgating
Do you put on the fishnet stockings before or after the large quantities of alcohol?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2007, 09:22:03 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2007, 09:12:50 AM
also the cho like guy with the issues and "trouble making friends" thing was kind of uncomfortable
I was thinking the same thing during the episode.
Same here...but I just figured that it was coincidental.
Same here...but I just figured that it was coincidental
it was...mds can probably tell you down the the exact minute if wrapped shooting but im pretty sure last nights episode was filmed months ago...it obviously wasnt done since the VT shootings
pretty creepy coincidence
I'm shocked none of the vocal rights groups have condemned HBO for showing that last night.
The show was disappointing last night.
wanted to add something else that last nights episode made me think about...the obvious newspaper metaphor has led me to my conclusion of how the series will end
they want you to believe that hes gonna get wacked or pinched getting he paper in the last episode
but i think it is going to be neither...i tend to believe that the series will end with him getting the paper and one of two things happening
1. he will have gotten out of the game and the scene will be that of him getting his first stress free paper of his life...he will get the paper with a look of relief/happiness on his face and the series will end
2. he will get the paper with essentially nothing having been resolved...and it will be a sign that that is just who he is...its in his blood...that hes pretty much on earth to be a mafia boss
Supposedly the finale has Tony in Vegas, playing cards. They're ramping up a gambling problem for him. Could be a fatal problem.
Good points from both.
Its so unpredictable that is what keeps me watching despite the last few seasons of averageness.
I think that Phil Leotardo is the one who has something to do with how it ends. He wants to get Tony for his cuzzo getting wacked.
brother
They probably shot this in the fall. It's still decent weather in Jersey.
Supposedly the finale has Tony in Vegas, playing cards. They're ramping up a gambling problem for him. Could be a fatal problem
i dont know where this is from...i suspect a message board or fan site of some kind?...either way the secrecy behind this season is such that i cant imagine the ending has been leaked...but if it has and the above is true it would be the dumbest make no sense ending they could come up with
I see ducks in the finale. Lots of ducks.
I'll have to check into it...but it is obvious that they are playing up Tony's gambling.
They should be playing up Tony's weight. James Gandolfini is farging fat.
Yeah, but Tony would have kicked Bobby's ass if he didn't slip on the rug.
i heard that Chase filmed a bunch of different endings and even the actors don't know how it's going to end...
i'm voting for the Rocky V ending...Tony vs Phil, streetfight
Heard that they read one finale and everyone kinda felt it made sense. So...who the hell knows.
ummm, you should, that's who
I stand by what I read.
Me right, you wrong. I win.
Sus, I heard that too about the Vegas thing. I read it on another board that some writer in Las Vegas wrote about them filming out there.
All I know is this shtein better heat up. Unlike most, I dig the character development. I love books that do that stuff and I love TV shows that do it too. But when you have only a few episodes left, time to elaborate on the other developing you have done earlier on in the series - start knocking people off.
Chase is good at subtlety. Like Uncle Junior holding the cat = he's a Hoyda now. Or after Tony was rolling his eyes during the scene where Paulie is running his mouth again and then the next scene is the dog with a muzzle.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2007, 07:29:55 PM
Supposedly the finale has Tony in Vegas, playing cards. They're ramping up a gambling problem for him. Could be a fatal problem
i dont know where this is from...i suspect a message board or fan site of some kind?...either way the secrecy behind this season is such that i cant imagine the ending has been leaked...but if it has and the above is true it would be the dumbest make no sense ending they could come up with
http://www.lasvegaslogue.com/travel-tips/vegas-tv-shows/the-sopranos-shooting-at-caesars-palace.html
i liked sunday's episode. Loved Juniors last hurrah, Tony thinking about leaving Paulie to swim with the fishes, and Paulie knowing that his time was coming. Phil at the dinner table was hilarious, you just knew the war was coming. I've been pleasantly suprised with the start to this season. Yeah, its not anywhere as great as teh first 2 seasons but what really is other than the Wire
Man, Tony's really getting in deep with the gambling. I wonder if Chase is trying too hard to set up that angle though. Everything now is about the gambling debts. And there is only 5 shows left and its still slow developing. I wonder why the mamacita dumped AJ...
Oh, any who gives a motherfarg about Vito's goth kid? I mean - seriously. Taking a shtein in the shower?
Anyone catch the look on Paulie's face when Tony was like "so what if he sucked a cock"....funny as shtein
I blame HBO for the show being zesty, by the way. They wouldn't pay up and thats why we don't see everyone and the cast is broken up from week to week.
Meadow needs to do a porn.
Wtf is going on? They are pulling issues out of the blue. Paulie talking too much? Tony a gambling addict? Since when?
Also since when was he running low on money?
Taking a dump in the shower was ridiculous. What?
The gambling I think is just a way to finally have the lifestyle catch up with him. Having to keep being "the boss", being Mr. Tough Guy who gambles and drinks and cheats and is a mans man. It's all finally going to bite him in the ass, he can't live like that.
Vito's kid was a way of ending that story I guess, and also showing that Tony tries to care but the business holds him back.
Did anyone notice the picture being different? It seemed more documentary like than normal, kind of like it was shot was a handheld or something.
Quote from: MDS on April 30, 2007, 12:09:53 AM
Taking a dump in the shower was ridiculous. What?
It's some kind of emotional disorder behavior. BFD.
I loved the Tony-ism at the start of the show, when he was talking about Vito's death: "...what with his father's death, and all that it entrails."
i wouldnt be surprised if the gambling issue is never brought up again
I woulnt be surprised if the AJ's ex-girl is an informer
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2007, 10:01:22 AM
i wouldnt be surprised if the gambling issue is never brought up again
So all the stories about them filming in Vegas is just a red herring?
could be...im not saying its gonna happen...it just wouldnt surprise me...
i just wish the final episode would get here because the show is just painful to watch now...
Quote from: reese125 on April 30, 2007, 10:19:27 AM
I woulnt be surprised if the AJ's ex-girl is an informer
Thats the same thing i was thinking Reese. Was she getting in too deep and had to pullout?
Best episode of the season.
A little tired of the psychologist bullshtein.
Paulie has given me a new word to use though - "funholey". :yay
Tony urging AJ to go out with those dudes is going to come back into play. Now AJ is into drugs. The whole Tony-crying-in-Melfi's office bit shows he'd be devastated if AJ dies. Maybe the little farg OD's?
Christopher going off the wagon and then smokin' that writer after wanting to spill his guts? Nice potential set up, but not with only 4 episodes left.
Christopher could be thw guy who sets the fall of the family in motion though. Or is Chase sending us on another set up?
Great episode. A little repetitive with the hole Chris wants to spill the beans but realizes he's chosen his path in life thing, but still, when this shows clicks it's farging great.
Damn, why'd they have to kill Tim Daly? Dude is awesome.
His wife was really hot, but you only see her for a split second in one episode. She looked really hot though.
Tim Daly is the same freaking character in everything. I was a little surprised, but I'm glad he's gone.
The past few episodes were about Tony's alienating himself from everyone around him. This episode had a tone of self-destruction through it. Pretty interesting, but not as violent as it could have been. But at least there was lots of (http://www.susbirder.com/images/boobies.gif).
Now I know why I haven't watched the show regularly in several years.
A recap:
Chris whining that no one respects and loves him, A.J. being a little bitch, Paulie screwing over a member of his own family, Carmella worrying about A.J., and Tony pissing and moaning about being in therapy. Good God... it might as well be five years ago with that shtein.
Meadow is still hot, though, so that's something.
Otherwise... (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/style_emoticons/default/sleep1.gif)
not great but probably the best show of the season
the christopher stuff seems forced
even when the show is good does anyone find themselves watching and just wanting the final episode to be the next week....nothing else that happens seems to matter...i agree with you romey its just tired right now
It's amazing to me that the show is still even on the air. That shtein started when I was in college.
In the final words of Stringer Bell, "get on wit' it ma farga."
The thing is it suffers from its own former excellence. When that show first aired it was so good it was incredible. Easily the best show of its time. They went places with the writing and acting that I didn't think possible for a television show.
Eventually, though, they just ran out of ideas. The Vito-fag shtein was unbearable to watch last season and although I've seen some of the shows this year and they're slightly different, they're no less annoying.
Whenever I hear one of the characters whining I think of Olivia saying "awe... poor you" to Tony. That's how I feel about all the characters now: Awwwwe, poor you. Just STFU and go away, already.
all great shows succumb to longevity
except the wire....it actually gets better
What's the wire?
I thought Trent Cole's favorite show was Darwin Walker's Thigh.
Cole and Walker did that?
I'll probably get blasted for saying this but great episode. Came out of nowhere, i didnt expect anything from the beginning till the end.
Crazy stuff. It also explains some of the reports I saw earlier.
Great episode.
AJ's little gang of thugs remind me of those dudes in A Bronx Tale.
retarded
chrisotpher dying is ok but the way he went was ridiculous....tonys most beloved guy for the the entire series gets his nose plugged on a whim??
beyond stupid
and now we know about the vegas scenes...i know the gambling thing would be swwept under the rug
AJ's little gang of thugs remind me of those dudes in A Bronx Tale.
the aj thing is so old and it only started last week....its an elongated meaningless storyline much like many others over the last couple years
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2007, 10:01:01 PM
AJ's little gang of thugs remind me of those dudes in A Bronx Tale.
the aj thing is so old and it only started last week....its an elongated meaningless storyline much like many others over the last couple years
I wish they would have started this earlier with him. Then he could be smoked by someone who is real while he was playing mobster.
I am angry at the lack of attention given to Meadow. Three episodes left, goddammit. GET NAKED.
lolol
war meadow!
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2007, 09:59:10 PM
retarded
chrisotpher dying is ok but the way he went was ridiculous....tonys most beloved guy for the the entire series gets his nose plugged on a whim??
beyond stupid
and now we know about the vegas scenes...i know the gambling thing would be swwept under the rug
But the fact that TOny plugged it for him was great.
I thought, for a minute, that Tony was going to end up dead. That would have made me mad to off him like that.
Tony killing Christopher was unexpected and I liked it.
Peekaboo!
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wow med has slutted herself out nicely after marrying her father
nice pull romey
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 13, 2007, 10:07:58 PM
Peekaboo!
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Thank you.
I can get past the Austin Powers type dress and the batting glove thing.
skeet
Phreak, how the hell did you find the batting glove thing? I never looked there. :-D
Didn't see that coming. Wow.
Tony is a real piece of shtein. Hopefully, he gets whats coming to him.
He did what he had to do, knowing that Chris was back on drugs. The kid was a pain and a liability.
It'll be interesting (to me, anyway) to see what direction his peyote-induced revelation will send him.
Best episode I've seen in years.
Tony's evil at the core and it's nice to see that side of him come out. He's back to banging whores, killing people, and acting recklessly. I loved the dream sequence with Melfi too. He's gotta bend her over her desk before the series ends.
In fact, that would be a great way to end it. Tony is in the middle of giving Melfi the business when Pauly and the other captains burst in and double tap him to the back of the head. Then they all meet back at Artie's restaurant and enjoy a nice meal... dissolve to black.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 13, 2007, 11:25:16 PM
Phreak, how the hell did you find the batting glove thing? I never looked there. :-D
I drink in every ounce of her. After I allowed my eyes to wander away from the important area, that is.
As for Tony being a cold bitch - we saw that when he made Baccala whack the canadian fella.
And he was also worried about Christopher, and rightly so, snitchin'.
I have to say there was so little buildup to him snuffing out Christopher. I really hope Phil gets effed up, for a little while there he wasnt a prick and i felt for him. Now he's back to his old self.
I want to see Phil get the back of his head blown off.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2007, 12:53:19 PM
I want to see Phil get the back of his head blown off.
I want to see phil watch his boys go down one by one then get a .22 to the back of the skull.
1. is sopranos showing an original episode next sunday
2. how many sopranos are left
three episodes left, including tonight, no new one next week
the spoilers i had read were partially right so far, if they are right about the rest of the season, it's going to be an awesome ending
Silvio said that bodies start falling, and that any chances of a movie would have to be a prequel. So...yea.
Real good episode after a disgrace last week.
Curb Stomp :yay
We call it Kensington mouthwash down in these parts.
Solid. 2 episodes to go, seems like a war is about to start. Enjoy how Tony's work and home life are becoming connected.
seems like a war is about to start
where did you get that idea from
Abysmal episode.
The only good thing was Tony pulling a curbie on that cat who said he wanted to cream on Meadow's face. And the subsequent shot of him sitting in Melfi's office with one of dude's teeth stuck in his pant leg.
the tony curb scene is right there with the best the sopranos has ever done
the rest of the show is complete filler
jamie lynn is wifey material
i wish a polar bear had three minutes with aj
who wants to go to bajah fresh
Tony wasn't in Melfi's office when he found the tooth. He was in the family therapy session.
The scene with AJ in the pool was kind of amusing.
yeah, i didn't think it was a horrible episode.
I also liked how Tony said "oh, poor you" about 300 times. Livia anyone?
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on May 21, 2007, 12:58:00 PM
Tony wasn't in Melfi's office when he found the tooth. He was in the family therapy session.
The scene with AJ in the pool was kind of amusing.
Thats right.
I did find it funny when Melfi said maybe AJ leaving the rope he tied to the cinderblock too long was a cry for help and Tony says "Or he could just be a fargin idiot. Historically thats been the case"
My favorite line from last night
"I got dosed with acid once, back in '68. I was with your dad and them at the Copa. ****in' B.O.A.C. stewardess put it in my drink. Jerry Vale started singin' and I look over, your Uncle Jun's got laser beams shootin' out his eyes."
WOW...U happy IGY/Romey?
that was a fargin episode
tonys gotta die next week.
Hardly anybody left to help him out. Maybe he turns state's evidence...that would be ironic.
Are there 2 episodes left or is next week the end?
Sunday is the End. Sucks its only 65 minutes, i was hoping for a 2 hour finale. That new show John From Cincinatti(which looks like Phenomeon)
Awesome episode.
I know it has been kinda zesty the last few seasons but I am going to miss this show. Seeing Bobby Baccala and Sil get gunned down made me realize that the end really is here.
1. Tony throwing AJ to the floor was great.
2. Tony lying in the bed with the assault rifle staring at the door was good. I thought that he was going to get whacked by someone inside the room already or there for a minute thought he was going to blow his brains out.
3. The botched hit on Phil shows how inept some of Tony's crew is. That cost him two of his best guys.
4. I hate that Janice is still alive...asking TOny for money for Uncle Joon? Bitch.
I can't wait for next week.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 04, 2007, 06:50:25 PM
3. The botched hit on Phil shows how inept some of Tony's crew is. That cost him two of his best guys.
I've seen speculation that the mixup might have been intentional...on Paulie's part. How was it that Paulie's guys decided that Sil and Bobby were the #2 and #3 guys in Tony's crew?
I don't really care if Tony gets clipped or not, I just hope that Phil does.
The seen with AJ was absolutely one of the best.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 04, 2007, 08:35:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 04, 2007, 06:50:25 PM
3. The botched hit on Phil shows how inept some of Tony's crew is. That cost him two of his best guys.
I've seen speculation that the mixup might have been intentional...on Paulie's part. How was it that Paulie's guys decided that Sil and Bobby were the #2 and #3 guys in Tony's crew?
I've read that too. The only thing I can think of is that Phil has some respect for Paulie and maybe he wants him in as the new HMFIC once Tony, Sil and Bobby were out of the way. Paulie has some NY connections too.
I've also read that maybe Parisi was the guy who played a part in farging it up. He's got a NY connection and has had bad blood with Tony before hence the big deal being made about his kid dating Meadow. Although he did fire shots at the Brooklyn guys during the Sil hit and they were gunning for him too.
I still wanna see her naked before the series ends:
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Phil LeoTardo was on O&A yesterday and said that their may be a prequel movie in the works for down the line.
can someone explain to me the exile on main street line tony dropped in reference to bobby
ummm....
What the farg was that shtein??
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Write your own ending, I guess. That sucks.
My father called me before the show tonight and told me they were going to do exactly what they did. He had it to a tee. I couldn't believe that it actually happened. :o
I thought my farging Directv was farging up when the screen went blank...what a chickenshtein ending
All the Comcast subscribers were ready to go crazy too :-D
To expand on my fathers theory...
He thinks they're going to make a movie soon. That was partly the reason he believed they would do what they did. I thought it was pretty pathetic. I guess look for a movie in the next two years?
i don't hate the ending, and it's not a surprise that Chase would do something like this.
at first i thought that the rumors of a movie were true and the movie would pick up at that exact spot. but if you think about it, there isn't anything really to tie up that be worth a movie. nobody wants to see a movie about Tony on trial.
basically, life is going to go on, but we're not going to see it.
You guys really didn't get it, did you?
He's farging dead. The black at the end was symbolic. The guy in the rest room came out and put one two in his head.
i don't think it's that simple Romey, i think it was left up to interpretation.
D-E-A-D.
And I thought it was brilliant, personally.
this is what somebody else on another board said, which makes a lot of sense:
QuoteTony Soprano should be on cloud nine. His son, wife and daughter are happy. He just had a big win at work, coming out ahead of Phil in the war. He's with his family in the diner having a nice dinner. Life should be great.
He can't enjoy it, though. He has to look over his shoulder at all times. The truck driver. The Members Only guy. The black kids. Tony has contracted people who look like that to kill people many times over the years. We sat there and assumed, based on watching this show, that he was about to get shot. I know I didn't breathe for the last three minutes or so before it went black.
That's what Tony's life is like all the time. It doesn't matter whether he was killed in that diner, as he will end up killed in some diner, somewhere, at some point.
HBO.com is flooded by angry people :-D
also too consider, in episiode of this season, and last week (flashback) Bobby wonders if you ever see it coming...the ending would certainly be an answer to that question.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 10, 2007, 10:24:50 PM
You guys really didn't get it, did you?
He's farging dead. The black at the end was symbolic. The guy in the rest room came out and put one two in his head.
Nah, that wasn't it. If Tony was dead they'd show it. He's the most popular character in TV history. I like the interpretation above. He always has to look over his shoulder.
QuoteIf they had been wiseguys, I wouldn't have heard a thing.
Quotethe people walking in--including his family....everyone is a threat. I think that final scene was intended for the audience to feel exactly how Tony feels every minute of every day, and to make the audience actually and finally understand why he is the way he is.
either way, you always need to be suspicious of a guy in a Member's Only jacket
oh, another piece that fits with the "life goes on" theory...the lyrics of the song at the end
QuoteWorking hard to get my fill,
Everybody wants a thrill
Payin anything to roll the dice,
Just one more time
Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on
http://wedontwatchsopranosanymore.ytmnd.com :-D
Journey lyrics are never meant to be interpreted.
Quote from: SunMo on June 10, 2007, 10:31:32 PM
this is what somebody else on another board said, which makes a lot of sense:
QuoteTony Soprano should be on cloud nine. His son, wife and daughter are happy. He just had a big win at work, coming out ahead of Phil in the war. He's with his family in the diner having a nice dinner. Life should be great.
He can't enjoy it, though. He has to look over his shoulder at all times. The truck driver. The Members Only guy. The black kids. Tony has contracted people who look like that to kill people many times over the years. We sat there and assumed, based on watching this show, that he was about to get shot. I know I didn't breathe for the last three minutes or so before it went black.
That's what Tony's life is like all the time. It doesn't matter whether he was killed in that diner, as he will end up killed in some diner, somewhere, at some point.
Thats a good write up...and it sums it up well. But I still thought it was chickenshtein
Would you have been happier if everyone got mowed down with machine guns?
Quote from: Quasimoto on June 10, 2007, 10:49:12 PM
Journey lyrics are never meant to be interpreted.
i wasn't interpreting the lyrics, i was interpreting how they were applied
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 10, 2007, 10:54:41 PM
Would you have been happier if everyone got mowed down with machine guns?
I should have said chickenshtein episode....once again too much bullcrap going on. Too much time on that little shtein AJ....
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 10, 2007, 10:58:55 PM
Too much time on that little shtein AJ....
that i totally agree with
I would have been happy with an all-naked Meadow episode.
That goes without saying...Playboy better get on dat ass
Paulie cracks me up though...the whole "pelt on your head" thing had me laughing
Figured this would happen. Chase hates closure. I doubt they're making a movie, so this is it.
I didn't think the episode was all that bad. The characters continued to be solidifed in who they are, which is good, but the final shot is Meadow coming into the diner. Odd choice, even though she's bangin.
They don't show Meadow come into the diner though. The actual shot is Tony's face looking up in part curiousness, part paranoia. Which is exactly what Tony is going to have to continue to go through the rest of his life as long as he is in the mafia.
http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/se...9770.xml&coll=1
Don't stop believing
Monday, June 11, 2007
BY ALAN SEPINWALL
The Star-Ledger
Who knew that the music of Journey could be used so ironically?
At the end of an otherwise satisfying "Sopranos" series finale, creator David Chase threw one final curveball at his audience. In his first episode as both writer and director since the series pilot, Chase sent Tony to a family dinner at Holsten's ice cream parlor in Bloomfield. Many previous seasons had ended on a Soprano family tableau -- A.J. even quoted something Tony said at Vesuvio back in the season one finale -- but this one was edited to seem far more ominous.
As the sounds of Steve Perry wailing on "Don't Stop Believing" filled the soundtrack, Tony kept eyeing the door and the other patrons as first Carmela, then A.J. arrived, while we spent an interminable amount of time watching Meadow double park. The camera kept focusing on a shady-looking character at the bar with more than a passing resemblance to the late Eugene Pontecorvo (down to the Member's Only jacket) who was studying Tony, but then his advance on Tony turned out to be a trip to the men's room. Meadow finally parked, dashed towards Holsten's, the camera cut back to Tony in close-up looking at something, Perry sang the words "Don't stop," and...
... nothing. No hint of whether Tony was looking at Meadow or something else entirely (perhaps the feds coming to arrest him after Carlo Gervasi apparently flipped), no music of any kind, just a fast cut to black and then the closing credits playing out in complete silence.
Whether you were waiting for one of the more popular predicted endings -- Tony in Witness Protection, Tony killed by Phil's guys, Furio and/or the Russian coming back for revenge, what have you -- or just for an ending, period, chances are that cut-to-black had you pulling a William Shatner in "Wrath of Khan," pointing your face at the heavens and bellowing, "CHAAAAASE!!"
And yet the finale, both the first 55 minutes of it and that sadistic last scene, fit perfectly with everything Chase has done on this show before.
Did we get the violent fireworks of last week? Absolutely not, as the only deaths of the hour were Phil Leotardo (gunned down at a gas station, then, in a gruesome indignity, his skull crushed post-mortem by his rolling car), and A.J.'s SUV (which caught fire while idling near a pile of leaves). But that's been the pattern of every season: the major action goes in the penultimate episode, while the finale is saved for quiet reflection and the odd whacking or two.
So Tony and Butchie DeConcini negotiated a peace treaty -- with the tacit understanding that Tony's guys could eliminate the out-of-control Phil -- a third of the way through the episode, and the bulk of the hour focused on Tony's lower-case family.
Janice faced life without Bacala (and a lifetime of torment for Bobby's kids), and once again invoked the name and memory of Livia Soprano, going about in pity for herself. Janice and Tony each visited Junior in the run-down state facility he was banished to when his cash ran out, but Corrado didn't recognize them.
Meadow planned her wedding to Patrick Parisi and badly wounded Tony (without realizing it) by telling him that she decided to quit med school and become a lawyer because of her relationship to him.
And in the episode's centerpiece -- and the origin of its title, "Made in America" -- A.J. continued his political awakening, only to have Tony and Carmela seduce him back into the same comfortably numb existence he used to have.
When some of the guests at Bacala's wake started discussing "American Idol" and "Dreamgirls," A.J. harangued them for focusing on entertainment fluff.
"The world. Don't you see it?" he complained, then later said, "It's like America. This is still where people come to make it. It's a beautiful idea. And then what do they get? Bling and come-ons for (stuff) they don't need and can't afford?" He talked of enlisting in the Army, though he wavered on whether it was to make the world a better place or just to get a job as Donald Trump's personal chopper pilot.
Yet by episode's end, A.J. had abandoned his newfound morality in favor of a shiny BMW, a job as the "development executive" for Little Carmine's movie company and his parents' promise of his own nightclub to follow.
From the start, Chase has used "The Sopranos" as an indictment of modern American values and how, time after time, we all sacrifice principle in favor of self-interest. Maybe A.J. had achieved enlightenment or maybe not. But Tony and Carmela couldn't have their little boy risking his own life in the military (they wanted him to get the discipline without the risk), so they anesthetized him back into the materialistic lifestyle they understand so well. This is what America makes today, Chase seemed to be saying: permissive, selfish parents and kids who mimic them.
Back to that final scene. Without it, we have a completely reasonable finale, one that provides closure on enough plot threads (the war with New York ends, Paulie is promoted to the captaincy of the Family's lucrative construction business, A.J. finds new direction, etc.) that the few left open (notably whether Carlo flipped and what that means, legally, for Tony) don't particularly sting. It's the "life goes on" ending I'd been speculating on for months.
But then, but then, but then ... then Chase has to do what he loves to do more than any other man in show business: completely mess with his viewers' expectations (and their heads). I don't consider it a cliffhanger, something to set up a movie, as I doubt there will ever be a movie (and if there is, it'll be set in the past). He did it because he hates the conventions of TV series narrative in general, and putting a bow on things in particular.
That's why the Russian never came back, why the Melfi rape plotline was dismissed with a single word ("No"), why none of the FBI's previous rats ever amounted to anything, etc. He's convinced the audience doesn't need to be spoon-fed, to the point where he might go for a non-ending like this, something so jarring, so abrupt and so filled with misdirection (my guess is there was no danger at all, that Tony was simply watching Meadow's entrance) that it might come across like an insult to the audience who have stuck with the show through thick and thin.
Somehow, though, it feels like the perfect final note. Why wouldn't a show that's taken such pleasure in rewriting the rules of storytelling -- from making a sociopathic thug its hero on down -- go out in the least conventional way possible? It may be maddening, but it's what David Chase does.
Some other thoughts on "Made in America":
A theory proposed by a reader of the NJ.com Sopranos blog using the handle Lorbnash: the nine episodes of this season have represented the nine circles of Hell from Dante's "The Divine Comedy." The fourth circle, for instance, is for the greedy and the miserly; the fourth episode was Tony and Hesh's gambling showdown. The seventh circle is where the suicides go; A.J. took his dip in the family pool in episode seven. The ninth circle is for the traitors, and Butchie implicitly betrayed Phil. (For added fun, reader Joe Adler pointed out the similarities between the Eugene Delacroix painting "The Barque of Dante" and the Annie Leibovitz promotional image on the season five DVD set. Google them both if you want your mind blown.)
Lots of surrogates and callbacks throughout. Junior confuses Janice and Livia (and Janice and Nica). Tony uses A.J.'s shrink (a leggy, coolly professional woman in the Lorraine Bracco mode) as a Melfi stand-in. A.J. quotes Livia's "Always with the drama," and later Tony's line from the Season One finale. Paulie believes the cat from the safehouse has some supernatural connection to Christopher and also notes the bad history of the captains in charge of Jersey construction (though he left out Jimmy "The Rat" Altieri).
Another "Whatever happened to Gary Cooper?" moment: the tour bus drives through Little Italy while the guide explains how the thriving neighborhood is now essentially a single block of shops and cafes -- so tiny that, when Butchie gets too wrapped up in a phone call to Phil, he wanders out of Little Italy altogether.
Who knew Agent Harris had such a dark side? He's conducting an affair with his counterpart at the Brooklyn field office, and he's actively rooting for Tony to take out Phil.
Finally, thanks for all the questions, theories and compliments you've sent me over the years as I've written about this show. "The Sopranos" is over, but our coverage of it has a few days to go -- and my work as the Star-Ledger's TV critic has a lot longer than that. The "Sopranos" blog (blog.nj.com/alltv/) will feature at least two reader mailbags as the week moves along, as there's still much to discuss. This has been fun.
He hit it on the nose. But I love how after all this time, so many people assumed they would get the simple "lives or dies" ending.
i loved it...didnt cater to the mtv generation and wrap everything up in a nice neat little bow...the show basically ended the way it began...tony still being haunted by his mother...the scene where he goes to talk about aj's problems and ends up finding a new therapist was brilliant...still living the life of the gangsta having to sleep with one eye open...still having the same family problems we all have...still ice cold (see his reactions to sil and bobbys deaths)
i think it very well may have been the best series finale ever and def made up for much of the crap that has been the last two seasons...i loved how it didnt get to deep theres no need to overanalyze it...the guy didnt kill tony romey...like sun said it was to show how tony must continue to live his life in fear...notice every single time he heard the bell on the door of the restuarant he quickly looked up...not see if it was one of his family members but to see if the worng person was comign thru the door
the episode was basically a capsule of what his life has always been and what its always gonna be...imo it was perfect
what i thought was most brilliant about it was that last night was a finale yet it easily could have served as the pilot...the show came full circle
I really didn't mind the way it ended, other than the specific point where it did. The cut-to-black thing was really odd, and I'm sure it made plenty of people wonder what the hell happened to their TV.
I'm with IGY, i love the ending. Chase doesnt like the whole MTV Generation as IGY said. Loved the song selection. The only thing i thought was really rushed was Phil dying, i guess i wanted something with a buildup like Bobby. The fact that Phil basically got "Decapitated" was satisfying considering his use of teh word 2 episodes before.
Count me as being pretty ambivilant about it. Which, I sure, is shocking.
I laughed at the one FBI agent telling the other that Phil got "popped."
I liked when Paulie was fixin to take a swat at the cat with the broom and the tried to pretend like he was sweeping when Tony walked in
at first I thougth WTF, but after thinking about it from different angles I think the ending was great. That last scene in the diner was super intense.
Quote from: MURP on June 11, 2007, 11:41:10 AM
That last scene in the diner was super intense.
yeah it was, i think we were supposed to feel like Tony feels all of the time
Meadow taking 20 trys to park the car was so intense :-D
that belongs in this thread and the woman thread
an interesting theory was presented in a chat on NJ.com
QuoteimTN: where did the childless Phil Leotardo's two infant grandkids come from? How did Butchie get from Little Italy to Chinatown in 90 seconds? How did Patrick Parisi go from law student to practicing attorney on a big case? Who's this "George" guy who brokered the meeting with New York? Too much weirdness to be taken at face value.
JimTN: Too convenient to have a "new character" that has the clout to clean up the mess between Phil and Tony. The "George" figure is a complete figment of Tony's dreamworld imagination. Just like the new female therapist
JimTN: Only in Tony's dream world would Agent Harris cheer for the Jersy mob and refer to them as "we". Or Tony address Agent Harris as "my friend". A fantasy, guys. Start to finish. Reality descended with the cut to black, not the opening credits.
JimTN: The attorney had always lived in Tony's world vicariously, through his legal dealings with Tony. The cameras were an extension of that voyeurism. But then, he wasn't really in the Bing to begin with. And we've never seen monitors on the dressing rooms before in eight years. Why now? Cause it wasn't real. Dream.
How much was a dream and how much was real, then?
I liked the ending too. This was a series where they could get away with little closure. You can pretty much put the pieces together on your own and come upo with your own variation of an ending.
anyone find a clip of the last scene? not up on youtube and im back in the apt with no hbo.
I have one but I'll have to upload it to one of those free download sites.
Make yourself useful and do it then.
Ur not teh boss of him.
Everyone's the boss of him.
Nevermind that.
http://www.savefile.com/files/800976
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bphuuLi17SU
http://4tvs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=2911#2911
on that message board, someone says that two versions were shown on HBO, with one of the versions being the one we all saw, but another one being when Tony looks up, you see from his perspective that Meadow comes into the diner, then it goes dark.
Quote from: MURP on June 11, 2007, 11:41:10 AM
at first I thougth WTF, but after thinking about it from different angles I think the ending was great. That last scene in the diner was super intense.
Yeah really. I was watching the episode with my lady friend and everytime they did a new take I kept saying "uh oh." Needless to say she eventually told me to shut the hell up, but I couldn't help it I was that engrossed.
HBO has been deleting the ending scenes like crazy from YT or requesting their deletion. I said farg it and just made a clip myself. YT is starting to piss me off now that it got bought out. They don't allow anything on there anymore.
I was watching the HBO East Coast HD version and saw Meadow come into the diner. The one King Cole had did not have Meadow coming, it just ended with Tony looking up.
What the farg David Chase.
Quote from: MDS on June 11, 2007, 05:45:09 PM
I was watching the HBO East Coast HD version and saw Meadow come into the diner. The one King Cole had did not have Meadow coming, it just ended with Tony looking up.
What the farg David Chase.
The one i watched on regular HBO had her running into the diner. The ding from the door, and black.
Quote from: MDS on June 11, 2007, 05:45:09 PM
I was watching the HBO East Coast HD version and saw Meadow come into the diner. The one King Cole had did not have Meadow coming, it just ended with Tony looking up.
What the farg David Chase.
Now when you say that, do you mean that you actually saw her coming into the diner or just her opening the door and hearing the bells ding?
I'm about 99% sure the last thing we saw was Meadow's face as she came into the diner (running). I think I said that earlier in this thread, my first post after I saw the episode. The fact that she was running somehow, and he urgency in parking, made me think that she had something really important to tell her family. But if that was the case, why not just park the car on the street? But it could have all been Tony's dream, so why would he dream about Meadow not being able to park? What the hell. Chase explain yourself.
Unless Chase comes out and says the whole thing was a dream scenario, there is little amount of evidence that could convince me that it was.
If it was a dream, why didn't we get to see full frontal of that model AJ was about to tap...I just don't buy it.
Also, IGY, I don't think Syl died did he?
maybe she was prego with Phreaks love child, or maybe she was avoiding the car coming at her.
Syl is aint wakin up. But he's not dead. They could pull the plug, but I guess they wouldn't do that.
How much farging money does someone have to give Chase to get an interview? Come on. I thought they would have one by now, or at least set one. The HBO website said that Tony was having dinner with his family, i.e. the life goes on ending. But I'm convinced about that. I know they're not making a movie, but still, Chase needs to explain himself. And even so, having to have him explain what he meant in his ending as the resolution is dumb. While I liked the ending, having it a tad more clear and not open ended would have been better. It's a story, tell us how it ends.
You sound like one of those idiotic Eagles fans who thinks Jeffrey Lurie owes him an explanation when they lose.
Chase doesn't owe you a farging thing, MDS. He made a television show and now it's over so leather up, fruitcake.
Plus he went to France to get away from everyone and refused anyone (writers) with knowledge of the show to comment on it.
I just want an interview with Chase explaining the final scene. It's open to interpretation, and I want his. Shoot me you fat farg.
If you're looking for explanations to "The Sopranos" it's obvious you haven't been watching the show from the beginning.
He doesn't give neat, cute little resolutions. He deliberately leaves things messy and unresolved.
Expecting any sort of commentary regarding the ending from Chase is like expecting you to get laid with a pound of coke and a fistful of hundreds at a prostitute convention.
I'm aware of what the show is. But you honestly think Chase and the writers are going to go through the rest of their lives never mentioning a word about the show? It's a farging TV show. Good lord.
I don't expect it but I hope they do just to piss you and those like you off.
:-D
I would eventually forget about it. I mean, I farging forget what I had for dinner last night.
Don't worry MDS. Dexter will be back in September and all will be right.
I saw her walk in.
Until a video hits the internet of her walking in I'm not buying it. I saw it again on HBO west after and it was the same ending. Others on the west coast recorded it and said she did not walk in.
Quote from: Quasimoto on June 11, 2007, 06:46:33 PM
Don't worry MDS. Dexter will be back in September and all will be right.
Quality show there. The top shows that I watch are being twiddled down. The Wire and Curb have 10 episodes left, Scurbs has 18 left,Lost has 3 season of 16 that don't start until February, 24 sucked ass last year, Deadwood and The Sopranos are done. It's left to really The Office, 30 Rock and Friday Night Lights, with the last two being shows that are barely getting second seasons. Wahhhhhhh.
Quote from: MDS on June 11, 2007, 07:05:36 PM
Quote from: Quasimoto on June 11, 2007, 06:46:33 PM
Don't worry MDS. Dexter will be back in September and all will be right.
Quality show there. The top shows that I watch are being twiddled down. The Wire and Curb have 10 episodes left, Scurbs has 18 left,Lost has 3 season of 16 that don't start until February, 24 sucked ass last year, Deadwood and The Sopranos are done. It's left to really The Office, 30 Rock and Friday Night Lights, with the last two being shows that are barely getting second seasons. Wahhhhhhh.
I thought Deadwood was doing a two-hour special at some point?
Maybe. Probably not at this point. And this replacement show, John From Cincinnati, had an uneven pilot and is not getting good reviews. I'm gonna give it a few more looks, but I'm not optimistic.
Quote from: MDS on June 10, 2007, 11:45:07 PM
Figured this would happen. Chase hates closure. I doubt they're making a movie, so this is it.
I didn't think the episode was all that bad. The characters continued to be solidifed in who they are, which is good, but the final shot is Meadow coming into the diner. Odd choice, even though she's bangin.
yea
I just saw the end again (getting ready to watch Big Love), and she was running toward the restaurant, and then it cut to Tony's face as you hear the bell ring at the door.
And it was the HBO (East) HD program, I believe.
yup, saw the same thing
Maybe it was just one broadcast, because me and Phreak saw it, and so did some others? I don't know.
Me three.
I just ran to Borders and dug out Journey's greatest hits from the archives. I'm pretty sure I will never be able to listen to that song the same again.
I wonder how those guys feel about having two of their songs indelibly linked to one of the greatest series of all time and also one of the greatest comedies of all time.
I hit rewind on after the credits started to watch the last scene again. Last thing on regular HBO was Tony's face looking up, then cut to black. no meadow.
Your mind just made you think you saw it out of anticipation. There was no Meadow walking in the diner.
I know what I saw. And either way, it's irrelevant.
Damn, now I am second guessing myself. But I swear I saw her face come in that door and then it cut to Tony staring at something. I talked to my boy today and he said he saw it too.
ok well here is an interview with chase: http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/david_chase_speaks.html
but this is all you need to know: "I have no interest in explaining, defending, reinterpreting, or adding to what is there," he says of the final scene.
so blah.
im more convinced than ever that mds looks like a pre pubescent male version of olive oil from popeye
the level of next person to add more letters to get around the filter is getting a suspension. So knock it the farg off youve brought to this thread over the last 24 hrs is incalucable...
its a farging tv show...let it go...theres nothing to figure out
i love you, igy cakes
right back atcha little guy
sorry, i dont dates teh black people.
i dont wanna date i wanna get married
rjs will get quite jealous
this is gayer than any Vito episode of the Sopranos
you know you want in.
If Tony Soprano was still alive, he'd shoot you all in the face.
QuoteMatt Servitto, who played FBI Special Agent Harris, said Chase briefly kept the camera rolling after what amounted to Tony's final moment on screen - and that the extra footage appeared to clearly spell the end for the supreme Soprano.
"[Tony's daughter] Meadow got into the diner, sat down . . . The menacing 'Members Only' jacket-wearing man at the counter was a little bit more in play, and I think she's sitting there with the family kind of all together . . . and all of a sudden, the menacing man gets up, starts walking toward their booth. End of show," Servitto said.
"The scene cut as the [menacing] guy was advancing toward [Tony], as if he was about to shoot Tony. It was, I think, less ambiguous that Tony was going to get shot."
An answer?
A ruse?
It was in the New York Post. It MUST be true.
the member's only guy was already in the bathroom when meadow got there
Speaking of The Post...
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9946/06122007de2.jpg)
Quote from: SunMo on June 12, 2007, 04:26:10 PM
the member's only guy was already in the bathroom when meadow got there
well yea. she sits down, he comes out, walks towards tony and boom. the end.
there was no reason to kill him, so still doesn't make sense
i was just looking at the holstens menu and nocticed that they dont even serve onion rings
http://www.holstens.com/
Cataldi had the dude who was wearing the Members Only jacket on the show this morning. I missed it but Ang said later on that the guy told them they filmed an alternate ending. They called the cast back for 10 hours and shot another one but he is forbidden to say what it was. Cataldi also said that it sounded like a DVD will be released with the alternate ending on it.
And Gay Vito was on with Eskin, Cataldi played the clip, where Eskin was screaming at him and calling him a B-Actor who rips people off for charging appearance fees and then a fee to sign autographs and how he was a nobody and stuff like that,
I wish someone would shoot Eskin in the face.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 08:36:10 AM
i was just looking at the holstens menu and nocticed that they dont even serve onion rings
http://www.holstens.com/
Your attention to detail in research is breathtaking.
I read this morning that Chase said NO alternate endings will be on the DVD release, BTW.
fwiw the guy who plays bobby baccala gave an interview where he said there were no alternate endings filmed
sounds like chase is purprosely farging with people like mds to drive them insane
what does he know, he was dead by then
http://www.lindsayism.com/2007/06/if_you_watch_ju.html
sopranos finale parody. i laughed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 08:36:10 AM
i was just looking at the holstens menu and nocticed that they dont even serve onion rings
http://www.holstens.com/
I've been trying to figure the significance of those rings. It looked like they intentionally showed the O each time they ate them.
stop
dont stop?
believing
Hold on.
farging die.
All of you.
Faithfully.
Quote from: MDS on June 13, 2007, 05:34:35 PM
dont stop?
(http://www.geog.buffalo.edu/arcinfo/aiwwwtut/gifs/black.gif)
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 13, 2007, 04:46:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 08:36:10 AM
i was just looking at the holstens menu and nocticed that they dont even serve onion rings
http://www.holstens.com/
I've been trying to figure the significance of those rings. It looked like they intentionally showed the O each time they ate them.
I agree, and thought it was pretty clear. It's the circle-- the continuity...same as it ever was, and the same as it will continue to be.
I was thinking that they were just zeroes.
Or they could just be onion rings you farging nerdholes.
They were Funions.
theres also no jukeboxes in holstens
Quote from: rjs246 on June 14, 2007, 07:34:51 PM
Or they could just be onion rings you farging nerdholes.
Amen. They wanted some onion rings... they ordered some farging onion rings.
Nah. Chase is too full of himself-- they had a meaning; he spent too much time on them to be nothing more than a snack. Chase may not like closure, but he's all about the symbolism.
no chase fans are nerds...they make things outta nothing...chase just makes a tv show...youll enjoy the show much more if you dont try to make something out of everything...
Believe what you want. But I've seen and heard enough of the guy to know that he thinks he's writing literature, and most of the episode had symbolic overtones. I'm not saying that it worked from a literary standpoint, just that I think that's what his intentions were. So, feel free to go ahead and blow it out your ass.
Those onion rings represented your rectum. The lack of closure represented your rectum getting penetrated, torn to bits, chewed up and then crapped out of James Gandolfini's size 13 poop shoot.
There you go. Have to think outside Meadow's box, that's all.
Ha (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/1902.html)
gay, but kinda funny
hilarious, but not in that way
random johnny sack cameo in a stupid clinton internet video? yes
cut to two random black guys? yes
chelsea mia? yes
bill butchering lines? yes
the illusion that bill and hillary are happily married? bahaha
I'd love to see the ending where she gets capped
That Clinton thing was great.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 19, 2007, 04:21:55 PM
I'd love to see the ending where she gets capped
So would the Democratic party higher-ups.
She is polling close to 50% these days, not including Al Gore (who won't run).
She picked a Celine Dion tune for her campaign song? Maybe someone should have mentioned to Hillary that she's not running for the Presidency of Canada?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 19, 2007, 04:21:55 PM
I'd love to see the ending where she gets capped
Arlen Specter is cooking up the next blasphemous theory for whatever commission is appointed if Hillary gets capped when/if elected.
Closure! (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/james_gandolfini_shot_by_closure)
I finally finished the Sopranos. Overall it was a good show that was sometimes great and sometimes mediocre. Aside from Tony I didn't like many of the other characters on the show. I was hoping Carmella would get knocked off because her character annoyed the shtein out of me. Didn't really like season 6 or the finale episode, but I thought the final scene was brillant. I can just imagine all the hardcore Sopranos fans flipping out when the screen went to black, because people need such immediate justification of what's on screen without giving the scene any thought. Just from a basic film class I had I was left with the interpretation that he was dead. When they show Tony, then show his POV of watching people walking into the restaurant, then the last scene when the POV was to be shown of Meadow walking in it went to black...harkening back on the conversation that he and Bobby had on the boat.
I was pissed when they ended it like that - looking back, I agree with you - it was brilliant.
He got capped.
But when it went down I and many others thought that the farging cable went out.
it wasnt brilliant, it was stupid and arrogant. contextually it made sense given thematically the kinds of things chase did but its a god damn mob drama. if hes dead then show him dead. dont get all ambigious in the final seconds just to piss off the audience.
Quote from: SD on May 09, 2011, 10:27:32 AM
Aside from Tony I didn't like many of the other characters on the show. I was hoping Carmella would get knocked off because her character annoyed the shtein out of me.
also lol @ this
tony was a disgusting animal of a person, as was pretty much every single character on that show. but hes cool and the woman isnt. himmm.
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2011, 11:55:13 AM
it wasnt brilliant, it was stupid and arrogant. contextually it made sense given thematically the kinds of things chase did but its a god damn mob drama. if hes dead then show him dead. dont get all ambigious in the final seconds just to piss off the audience.
The 'cut to black' is him being shown as dead. Again, look at what the camera was doing before the cut to black. It showed him then his POV, like 4 or 5 times in a row, then as Meadow walks in his POV is now nothing because he's dead. Add that in with his and Bobby's conversation on the boat and I don't think there's much to interpret or why anyone would say it was 'stupid and arrogant'. That ending was a trillion times better then them showing the guy with the Members only jacket walking out of the bathroom and capping him. That ending would have been completely lame and conformed with the mindless idiots who only interpreted the show on the surface.
The show was deliberately infuriating. The ending simply continued in that longstanding tradition. Pinheads like those here who didn't understand or accept that never will.
We move on...
Quote from: SD on May 09, 2011, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2011, 11:55:13 AM
it wasnt brilliant, it was stupid and arrogant. contextually it made sense given thematically the kinds of things chase did but its a god damn mob drama. if hes dead then show him dead. dont get all ambigious in the final seconds just to piss off the audience.
The 'cut to black' is him being shown as dead. Again, look at what the camera was doing before the cut to black. It showed him then his POV, like 4 or 5 times in a row, then as Meadow walks in his POV is now nothing because he's dead. Add that in with his and Bobby's conversation on the boat and I don't think there's much to interpret or why anyone would say it was 'stupid and arrogant'. That ending was a trillion times better then them showing the guy with the Members only jacket walking out of the bathroom and capping him. That ending would have been completely lame and conformed with the mindless idiots who only interpreted the show on the surface.
i know hes dead
all im saying is i dont want to have to think about it. this is a television show and its not the wire.
we need russell in this conversation
I liked the Sopranos but I'm just not sure that we've talked about it enough. Here's hoping for 47 more pages of in-depth analysis of a farging tv show.
now the circle is complete
I realize that this is a carryover thought from The Wire thread...but I cannot justify getting all worked up over a TV series, good, bad or indifferent...other than to note that it was good, bad or indifferent. Then again, I have a hard time getting worked up about much.
The Sopranos was good, mostly. And I haven't thought about it in years.
this is a slight oversimplification but the sopranos died with big Hoyda....the show was still good after him and sometimes great but it never reached the heights it did when he was around
It had two absolutely classic seasons and then it started to slide. That corresponds with your timeline, IGY.
The Johnny Cakes storyline was Chase's way of saying farg you as loudly as he could but the fans still wanted more. I didn't because I had moved on already but a lot of longtime fans couldn't let it go, so Chase really bitchslapped them with the ending. I dont think anyone in the history of the medium treated their fans with more outright contempt than Chase did especially during those last two seasons.
it was more a stalling hey lets crank out more episodes and make more money kind of thing than a farg you to the fans
the ending was though
They should have made a goddamn movie
they shouldnt have made a fourth season yet you want a movie
what else do you need to see out of these characters
I'm still waiting to see Meadow's penis. I'll bet that thing is massive.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2011, 02:43:17 PM
They should have made a goddamn movie
The only way a movie would have worked is if they didn't wrap up the NY/Phil NJ/Tony fued and made a movie about the two families knocking each other off. And even with that I don't see how it would work, the Sopranos was made for TV and not the type of series - especially in the mafia genre - that would translate to the big screen.
Quote from: SD on May 09, 2011, 10:27:32 AM
I finally finished the Sopranos. Overall it was a good show that was sometimes great and sometimes mediocre. Aside from Tony I didn't like many of the other characters on the show. I was hoping Carmella would get knocked off because her character annoyed the shtein out of me. Didn't really like season 6 or the finale episode, but I thought the final scene was brillant. I can just imagine all the hardcore Sopranos fans flipping out when the screen went to black, because people need such immediate justification of what's on screen without giving the scene any thought. Just from a basic film class I had I was left with the interpretation that he was dead. When they show Tony, then show his POV of watching people walking into the restaurant, then the last scene when the POV was to be shown of Meadow walking in it went to black...harkening back on the conversation that he and Bobby had on the boat.
I also finally finished watching it today OK, it was the A&E version but I never watched a whole season while it was on HBO. I really enjoyed it. Agree with MDS from an earlier post that by the end I was ready for Tony to get capped. He was just way to obnoxious. Also glad to see Christopher go. What a little prick.