The Sopranos

[NGM]

Why exactly is a football reporter writing an article about Italian-American stereotypes in a TV Show?


not much different than you posting about hockey or for that matter anything not temple basketball related

Very different.  MDS (nor most people on this board) really believe that anyone cares what they have to say.  Sal Pal thinks people give a shtein beyond its comical value. 

[ice grillin you]

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anyway stop taking everything so literal lucas

[NGM]

Its okay guy, I'm never serious. Sopranos rock!

[MDS]

message board=forum for idiots like me (and the rest of you) to blab on about sports or whatever
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anyway stop taking everything so literal lucas

you shouldve picked a real jewey name, like david or adam. i figured you were african-american, so i picked a popular name among them.

[NGM]

Tony was about 5 feet from hell right there. 

[MDS]

Sil sure handled the whole power thing well 

Liked them getting Buscemi back in there, too

[MDS]

found this description of tonys "dreams" on another board, thought it was pretty good:

The "alternate universe" of Costa Mesa is something of a what-if story for Tony. It's clearly also a waiting area between life and death, heaven and hell. Call it purgatory or whatever, but it's clear that Tony is there to figure out who he is and where he is going (as he asks repeatedly in episode 2).

Where is he going? Costa Mesa is beset on both sides by Heaven and Hell. Heaven, represented by the lighthouse and the beautiful oceanic scenes playing on the TVs in the bar, is on one side. Hell, represented by the blazing forrest fire tony sees on TV, is on the other. As the Bartender says, everything in Costa Mesa is dead.

Kevin Finnerty represents Tony's bad side, his ruthlessness, and his sins. The Tony in the dream is Tony without this viciouness. He is more calm, more caring, weaker, and softer. He sells optic lenses. Finnerty, on the other hand, is a ruthless cheating business man. He lives in Arizona (the hottest state) and sells heating equipment, further enforcing the image of a fiery or evil man. He cheated peaceful monks by selling them bad equipment and then skipped town to avoid responsibility.

While Tony is in "purgatory," he must decide whether to accept his sins and perhaps to seek forgiveness, or to be forever damned by pretending to be a good man and denying what he's done. All his ponderings of this decision occur in the bar, where both options (the oceanic heaven and fiery hell) are perpetually displayed on the televisions.

Tony finally asks the bartender, "Do you think I really am Kevin Finnerty?" At this moment, Tony has accepted who and what he is. He is ready to pay for his sins and, presumably, be taken into heaven.

The next morning he gets notice of the Finnerty family reuinion out by The Beacon (heaven). Tony B's presence there has nothing to do with the Leotardo situation. He is simply there because he's a dead member of Tony's family and, as the center of one of Tony's greatest sins, sort of an ambassador to the afterlife. Presumably, the house is filled with other dead relatives, including Tony's mother (who we get a glimpse of in profile as she comes to the door).

Tony B tells Tony that to enter, he must leave business (his briefcase, Finnerty, and the sinful aspects of his life) behind in order to enter. That's when Tony hears Meadow's voice calling him back. Tony clutches tightly to the briefcase and refuses to enter. He won't leave his family behind, and the briefcase (along with all his damnable sins) is necessary to support them.

He reenters the world, sins in hand, to continue as Tony Soprano and be with his family, aware now of the probability of his own damnation.

[Susquehanna Birder]

Not too bad...but I'm still sticking with my Buddhist angle. There was a hint at the beginning of the scene with the movie writer (Tim Daly), where is starts off saying "In a previous incarnation..."

And consider Tony B as a Bodhisattva. He's trying to lead Tony to the afterlife.

[ice grillin you]

The "alternate universe" of Costa Mesa is something of a what-if story for Tony. It's clearly also a waiting area between life and death, heaven and hell. Call it purgatory or whatever, but it's clear that Tony is there to figure out who he is and where he is going (as he asks repeatedly in episode 2).

Where is he going? Costa Mesa is beset on both sides by Heaven and Hell. Heaven, represented by the lighthouse and the beautiful oceanic scenes playing on the TVs in the bar, is on one side. Hell, represented by the blazing forrest fire tony sees on TV, is on the other. As the Bartender says, everything in Costa Mesa is dead.

Kevin Finnerty represents Tony's bad side, his ruthlessness, and his sins. The Tony in the dream is Tony without this viciouness. He is more calm, more caring, weaker, and softer. He sells optic lenses. Finnerty, on the other hand, is a ruthless cheating business man. He lives in Arizona (the hottest state) and sells heating equipment, further enforcing the image of a fiery or evil man. He cheated peaceful monks by selling them bad equipment and then skipped town to avoid responsibility.

While Tony is in "purgatory," he must decide whether to accept his sins and perhaps to seek forgiveness, or to be forever damned by pretending to be a good man and denying what he's done. All his ponderings of this decision occur in the bar, where both options (the oceanic heaven and fiery hell) are perpetually displayed on the televisions.

Tony finally asks the bartender, "Do you think I really am Kevin Finnerty?" At this moment, Tony has accepted who and what he is. He is ready to pay for his sins and, presumably, be taken into heaven.

The next morning he gets notice of the Finnerty family reuinion out by The Beacon (heaven). Tony B's presence there has nothing to do with the Leotardo situation. He is simply there because he's a dead member of Tony's family and, as the center of one of Tony's greatest sins, sort of an ambassador to the afterlife. Presumably, the house is filled with other dead relatives, including Tony's mother (who we get a glimpse of in profile as she comes to the door).

Tony B tells Tony that to enter, he must leave business (his briefcase, Finnerty, and the sinful aspects of his life) behind in order to enter. That's when Tony hears Meadow's voice calling him back. Tony clutches tightly to the briefcase and refuses to enter. He won't leave his family behind, and the briefcase (along with all his damnable sins) is necessary to support them.

He reenters the world, sins in hand, to continue as Tony Soprano and be with his family, aware now of the probability of his own damnation.


you should be banned for posting that drivel


last night was a great episode

thank god tony is awake again

[SunMo]

actually, that drivel is pretty much what i thought about the episode too, but i forgot, you can't handle abstract thought, farger.

i loved Christopher trying to talk business when Tony could barely keep his eyes open.

[MURP]

actually, that drivel is pretty much what i thought about the episode too,

same here.

[Zanshin]

Added to the list of things I don't understand:  Why IGY tries to be a pseudo-intellectual snob when it comes to movies...but can't get his brain around aspects of the Sopranos that don't directly involve shooting people.

[ice grillin you]

i understand it
a monkey could understand it
everyone knows what it means
its not the davinci code


i dont feel the need to write a 1000 word essay analyzing it...or a movie for that matter...pump your brakes its TELEVISION

[SunMo]

but....i love television, it's my best friend

[ice grillin you]

and it loves you back...in the form of a 100 dollar bill once a month