has there ever been an quarterback in the history of any level of football since maybe the wing t that has had ONE completion in a half
and thats after a runway air guitar and a plexi glass head butt
sickening beyond belief
beyond belief, burn it all down. We're stuck with Reid, but get rid of donovan before he has no more value than steve mcnair's corpse
lol @ donovan having value
But I thought Munson said you could make an argument for Donovan over Rivers and Brees? ???
I wouldn't take anyone QBing the Eagles in this game.
That fumbled just sealed it.
Yes, the Eagles are considerably worse than Dallas. It probably didn't matter who was quarterbacking tonight but McNabb didn't do a single thing well either. McNabb era = over tonight.
McNabb was done after this season regardless, but now they might spend that first round draft pick on an offensive lineman instead of a desperately needed defensive player.
Kick this loser to the curb and let's start over with a new loser.
Can We All Finally Agree Reid Needs To Burn In Hell?
McNabb has been McNasty tonight (though anyone would have lost that last fumble, he never saw the chop coming from behind) but the entire team has failed to execute the last two weeks, with the exception of a play here or there.
But yeah, Donovan's 99% done in Philly, be surprised if he's back next year. (can't see him accepting being a backup)
Be interesting to see what he could do on another team with a real coach though.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 09, 2010, 11:19:11 PM
McNabb was done after this season regardless, but now they might spend that first round draft pick on an offensive lineman instead of a desperately needed defensive player.
Ugh.
They might need to go oline without a 100% Jackson and Nick Cole being a glorified 6th man though...
An outside LB or a safety would be preferred.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 09, 2010, 11:20:41 PM
But yeah, Donovan's 99% done in Philly, be surprised if he's back next year. (can't see him accepting being a backup)
Be interesting to see what he could do on another team with a real coach though.
He'd hand the ball off more than he ever has in his career, for one.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 09, 2010, 11:13:27 PM
But I thought Munson said you could make an argument for Donovan over Rivers and Brees? ???
farg munson...hes knows nothing about anything
i wanna hear from phreak...who is a valid educated legitimate fan
i want HIM to defend this shtein
lol It's easy to defend....you blaming the loss mainly and mostly on McNabb is idiotic.
Anyone can look at this piece of shtein game and blame who needs to be blamed....McNabb, Reid, Oline, WR's, Gameplan, Dline, LB's, DB's, McDermott.....etc and so on
I wouldn't want McNabb, Brees, Manning, Unitas, Montana, Young, or any other QB leading this slop because whoever that QB was would have sucked and been killed.
This team should have done us all a favor and forfeited before the game ever started.
Phreak is most likely at home making his girl put on a stetson and chaps so he can work out his frustration.
all this talk about mcnabb playing his last game in philly is pretty funny. I can bet my life that Mcnabb comes back next year because you know damn well this loss will somehow be put on the offensive line and the defense...with mcnabb getting another pass. his first pass of the game in the ground was good indication of where this game was going
one of the most disgusting back to back week football games I have ever seen in my life. each scheme on both sides of the ball was designed so poorly that I find it impossible someone doesnt lose their job...its just really is a crying shame it wont be reid
Quote from: reese125 on January 09, 2010, 11:29:46 PM
his first pass of the game in the ground was good indication of where this game was going
The good indication came in the previous nine minutes of the game. The pretty good indication came in the previous two losses to Dallas this season.
It'll be McNabb before it'll be Reid.
Either way this team is farged....if Reid goes, McNabb aint gonna do much with an entirely new system in 1 year. If McNabb goes, it'll be fun watching some piss poor QB drop back 45 times a game with no run game.
ONE completion in the first half
ONE!
i feel like this is being under appreciated by eagle fans
and again this is after one of the worst pregame escapades of all time
hey mcnabb and reid, thanks for 10 years of woulda, shoulda, coulda. farg off.
Quote from: Munson on January 09, 2010, 11:32:41 PM
Either way this team is farged....if Reid goes, McNabb aint gonna do much with an entirely new system in 1 year. If McNabb goes, it'll be fun watching some piss poor QB drop back 45 times a game with no run game.
That's the thing. Once another QB is in there, the game plan is consistently more balanced. It makes no sense whatsoever, but that's how it works.
Quote from: reese125 on January 09, 2010, 11:29:46 PM
his first pass of the game in the ground was good indication of where this game was going
this cant be said enough
i said this to my people at the bar....i knew right where this was all going after that happened
Quote from: General_Failure on January 09, 2010, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 09, 2010, 11:32:41 PM
Either way this team is farged....if Reid goes, McNabb aint gonna do much with an entirely new system in 1 year. If McNabb goes, it'll be fun watching some piss poor QB drop back 45 times a game with no run game.
That's the thing. Once another QB is in there, the game plan is consistently more balanced. It makes no sense whatsoever, but that's how it works.
Very true. And sickening.
Igs, 1 completion would be a big deal if say the offense ran more than 10 plays. He was 1/5 (2 for 6 if you count the catch and fumble by Weaver). If it was 1-10 or 1-15 and the offense had ample time on the field, I could see everyone getting in an uproar over it. No one watching the game remembers the offense being on the field in the first half though.
I'm stupefied by anyone that waited that long to realize the game was over. Honestly.
:-D
What did I tell you
That stat they showed at the end with only Dungy and Belechick having more wins than Fat bastich was disturbing.
The most disturbing thing is that if Reid ever manages to win a Super Bowl, he'll have a legitimate shot at the Hall.
Otherwise he'll end up being the next Dan Reeves.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 09, 2010, 11:38:01 PM
I'm stupefied by anyone that waited that long to realize the game was over. Honestly.
Word. It was over when Dallas showed their offense would run all over the Eagles again. Right after the Maclin TD I was even more sure it was over because it was obvious that was the ONLY way they'd score because they definitely couldn't put a drive together. Everyone knew Dallas would just take the ball right down the field again anyways.
Quote from: Dillen on January 09, 2010, 11:41:32 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 09, 2010, 11:38:01 PM
I'm stupefied by anyone that waited that long to realize the game was over. Honestly.
Word. It was over when Dallas showed their offense would run all over the Eagles again. Right after the Maclin TD I was even more sure it was over because it was obvious that was the ONLY way they'd score because they definitely couldn't put a drive together. Everyone knew Dallas would just take the ball right down the field again anyways.
This team, McNabb included, gave up at 7-0.
Sickening to wathc.
McNabb probably is gone, because the only way he can make Eagle fans suffer more than he already has is by winning a SB with some other team.
GF brought up a good point that gave me hope for a McNabb-less Eagles: it forces them to play a balanced game, increasing their chances to win ten-fold. KOLB IN '010!
The reason McNabb has to be gone is his contract situation. I still contest he either has to be traded or extended and how can anyone, even the Eagles, justify extending McNabb after these last two games? McNabb isn't going to want to play on a one year deal and the Eagles shouldn't trot him out with a year left either. Makes 0 sense.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2010, 11:43:40 PM
McNabb probably is gone, because the only way he can make Eagle fans suffer more than he already has is by winning a SB with some other team.
you honestly believe he can win a superbowl...please tell me you do...so i can laugh
Quote from: Munson on January 09, 2010, 11:37:34 PM
Igs, 1 completion would be a big deal if say the offense ran more than 10 plays. He was 1/5 (2 for 6 if you count the catch and fumble by Weaver). If it was 1-10 or 1-15 and the offense had ample time on the field, I could see everyone getting in an uproar over it. No one watching the game remembers the offense being on the field in the first half though.
lololol
he was 1-5 BECAUSE he couldnt complete any passes...you know how you get more attempts?...you complete more passes
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 09, 2010, 11:49:52 PM
The reason McNabb has to be gone is his contract situation. I still contest he either has to be traded or extended and how can anyone, even the Eagles, justify extending McNabb after these last two games? McNabb isn't going to want to play on a one year deal and the Eagles shouldn't trot him out with a year left either. Makes 0 sense.
How could anyone justify extending Reid when they were 5-4?? They couldn't. The FO just waited til the team got hot and then extended him.
At this point he has little trade value because of his age/the way the last game just went, and not a lot of teams out there are going to give him along term extension to begin with.....He'll probably be back next year, walking in 2011 and Kolb getting a 1 year deal to prove himself.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2010, 11:52:04 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2010, 11:43:40 PM
McNabb probably is gone, because the only way he can make Eagle fans suffer more than he already has is by winning a SB with some other team.
you honestly believe he can win a superbowl...please tell me you do...so i can laugh
Quote from: Munson on January 09, 2010, 11:37:34 PM
Igs, 1 completion would be a big deal if say the offense ran more than 10 plays. He was 1/5 (2 for 6 if you count the catch and fumble by Weaver). If it was 1-10 or 1-15 and the offense had ample time on the field, I could see everyone getting in an uproar over it. No one watching the game remembers the offense being on the field in the first half though.
lololol
he was 1-5 BECAUSE he couldnt complete any passes...you know how you get more attempts?...you complete more passes
I prefer the other method of run for 3 yards, run for another 3 yards, and give yourself a 3rd and short instead of how a number of drives went tonight....run for 3 yards, pass pass punt
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2010, 11:52:04 PMQuote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2010, 11:43:40 PM
McNabb probably is gone, because the only way he can make Eagle fans suffer more than he already has is by winning a SB with some other team.
you honestly believe he can win a superbowl...please tell me you do...so i can laugh
No, I want him gone, I think he's a loser who can't win the big game. I only mentioned winning the SB cause he's managed to torture us in every other way possible, it's all he has left. As a self-hating Philly fan I have to be mentally prepared for that smiling piece of shtein to have some flukey season in some other city and deliver his final 'farg you' to us.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 10, 2010, 12:00:03 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2010, 11:52:04 PMQuote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2010, 11:43:40 PM
McNabb probably is gone, because the only way he can make Eagle fans suffer more than he already has is by winning a SB with some other team.
you honestly believe he can win a superbowl...please tell me you do...so i can laugh
No, I want him gone, I think he's a loser who can't win the big game. I only mentioned winning the SB cause he's managed to torture us in every other way possible, it's all he has left. As a self-hating Philly fan I have to be mentally prepared for that smiling piece of shtein to have some flukey season in some other city and deliver his final 'farg you' to us.
you know it's going to be with the new los angeles franchise, right? farg l.a.
die eagles die
on the road to obscurity
cry mcnabb cry
kill some worms for you and me
throw 'em low
throw 'em high
and watch our eagles die
die eagles die
i hope you get h i v.
l-o-s-e-r-s losers!
lincoln financial field has the fewest living worms per square foot of any field in the nfl, including domes and turf.
it's true.
(http://archive.profootballtalk.com/KolbNumber.jpg)
"the best roster in the nfl"
"the gold standard"
"the best organization in the nfl"
congrats on another successful season, guys.
p.s. eat a cock donovan
Whats with this thread? McNabb had no time at all to operate. Anyone who blames this loss on him is an idiot.
lol theres a mcnabb homer
can we talk about the pregame entrance some more? he tried to fake scare/maul the glass? how lame and corny can one human being be. what a disgrace.
then he should have made time. this is by far, the best offense mcnabb's ever played with and he responded with possibly the worst consecutive weeks i've ever seen from any quarterback in 10 years. farg him.
STFU, idiot.
Made time?? Yeah, right, and he should have pulled a few unicorns out his ass also.
He had no protection at all, the o line sucked ass.
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2010, 12:21:52 AM
he should have pulled a few unicorns out his ass also.
that was more likely to happen than him completing a meaningful pass in this game.
jesus these mcnabb homers arent going down easy
he was as awful as awful could be back to back weeks against a divisional rival in two obviously unquestionably big games. hes a loser and is gonna get run out of town.
What the farg are you talking about? He was running for his life the whole fargin game.
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2010, 12:22:33 AM
He had no protection at all, the o line sucked ass.
i'm done making excuses for him. if you feel the need to, then that's on you. bottom line is this was another big game that he came up small in. everyone else came up small too, so i'm not pushing the blame all on mcnabb. but it starts with him and once again, he failed to rise to the occasion.
Hey Major Dick Skin. You don't have any idea what your talking about. McNabbs going no were. Shut the farg up you brainless bitch.
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2010, 12:24:09 AM
What the farg are you talking about? He was running for his life the whole fargin game.
wahhhhh wahhhh wahhhh
excuses never stop with you people
the results continue to speak for themselves
HES A LOSER
No, it starts with the offesive line that gave him absolutly no time at all.
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2010, 12:26:37 AM
Hey Major Dick Skin. You don't have any idea what your talking about. McNabbs going no were. Shut the farg up you brainless bitch.
at first when i read this, i thought i got a serious promotion.....to MAJOR!! then i realized what mds stood for. sucks for me. again.
i live in pittsburgh. the steelers offensive line sucks ass. way worse than the eagles. yet somehow ROFL does not make a fool of himself out there on the field. i guess some QBs are better at pulling out unicorns than others.
my meatcicle Sucker is too attatched to igy's nuts to see anything in real time
they shore are
All you asswhipes who want to blame this on McNabb are clueless. What about the D that Dallas ran over again? What about the o-line that couldn't block my 4 year old nephew? You buch of DMF's have no idea.
McNabb sucked, Reid sucked worse.
no ones discounting that, random crazy person.
you cant replace an entire defense. you can replace some parts.
you can replace and change the qb, though. especially a qb who came up as small as donovan did these last two weeks.
there are lots and lots of problems with the eagles, but it begins with the qb position. and if you are still one of the delusional people who thinks hes capable of winning the superbowl, here or elsewhere, then i salute you for your imagination.
How 'bout you salute my ass breakin wind in your face....bitch.
the defense is an abortion it has been against all good teams this year
but we knew this
the qb needed to go touchdown for touchdown with dallas
instead he went completion for touchdown with dallas
i didn't think he had that many completions.
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2010, 12:37:13 AM
How 'bout you salute my ass breakin wind in your face....bitch.
see now this anger is unwarranted.
are you honestly confident that "changing the defense" is going to make the eagles a contender? has that goofy corny loser not failed you 11 seasons in a row?
you know it's gotten bad when mcnabb isn't even taking the game seriously enough to start throwing up
He had no time to throw at all. There was no way he was going td to td with anyone. Eagles lost and it wasn't the qb's fault. If I blame any one person if would be Reid. But your small little mind can see it in only your way.
Quote from: KDS on January 10, 2010, 12:39:21 AM
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2010, 12:37:13 AM
How 'bout you salute my ass breakin wind in your face....bitch.
see now this anger is unwarranted.
are you honestly confident that "changing the defense" is going to make the eagles a contender? has that goofy corny loser not failed you 11 seasons in a row?
When did I mention the defense? When did I say anything about changing the defense?
Go pass out man, talk to me tommorrow.
you're just angry, it's understandable.
when you get up and grow past your 5 homerism, you'll know
KDS? I thought Cock started with a C.
Oh yeah...killer dick sucker.
mcnabb is dead to me. it was time for a change.
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2010, 12:42:45 AM
If I blame any one person if would be Reid. But your small little mind can see it in only your way.
that's the thing you don't get....no one else is blaming one person. no one is saying that the eagles lost this game solely because of mcnabb. truth is, even if mcnabb does play well, they still probably lose because the defense couldn't slow dallas down even if the cowboys were playing in cinderblock shoes.
however, when it comes to mcnabb, he came up small in the biggest game of the year. again. he's supposed to be the leader of this team and is the guy that everyone is looking to when ish gets tough. he's the guy that is supposed to pick everyone up and elevate their game. he didn't do it today and he hasn't done it for 10 freaking years. enough is enough.
Only defense I give McNabb is that Wade Phillips did an exceptional job with his DB's on the receivers. They were blanketed all night. No one could get open.
He didn't have a chance to come up any other way. He was blasted all game. Pick them up? I don't think so.
hes career can be summed up by what happened in the pregame walk. i hope video of that exists.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 10, 2010, 12:51:09 AM
Only defense I give McNabb is that Wade Phillips did an exceptional job with his DB's on the receivers. They were blanketed all night. No one could get open.
You didn't see him running for his life all game?
you need to stop with the excuses for mcnabb
its always something with you people.
I also saw him with a shtein load of time on numerous occasions. The line was not that bad.
You mistake facts for excuses.
seriously dude, you're all alone out on that branch. yeah, we saw him running. we saw him under pressure. he's faced heavy pass rushes before too and completed passes and made plays. this typically happens before week 8.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 10, 2010, 12:51:09 AM
Only defense I give McNabb is that Wade Phillips did an exceptional job with his DB's on the receivers. They were blanketed all night. No one could get open.
good coverage is one thing
bad offensive line is another
ONE completion in the a half of playoff football is unheard of
and who is KDS?
Not to mention that when they showed isolation on his recievers, NO ONE WAS OPEN! Geez, what game were you guys watching?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2010, 12:57:16 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on January 10, 2010, 12:51:09 AM
Only defense I give McNabb is that Wade Phillips did an exceptional job with his DB's on the receivers. They were blanketed all night. No one could get open.
good coverage is one thing
bad offensive line is another
ONE completion in the a half of playoff football is unheard of
and who is KDS?
who the farg do you think it is tubby
when a play takes 20 seconds to develop, is it really fair to call it a "coverage sack"? it doesnt take 20 seconds to throw a ball out of bounds.
Quote from: shorebird on January 10, 2010, 12:37:13 AM
How 'bout you salute my ass breakin wind in your face....bitch.
:-D
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 10, 2010, 12:41:42 AM
you know it's gotten bad when mcnabb isn't even taking the game seriously enough to start throwing up
:-D :-D
Quote from: KDS on January 10, 2010, 12:49:39 AM
mcnabb is dead to me. it was time for a change.
what does it even stand for? i must've missed it when there was the big announcement
Killyourself Dickhead Sucker.
Kinda' Did Suckit.
haha
mds was mcnabb defense superbowl
kds is im sure you can figure it out
Kill Da' Sucka'
keep droppin soap
i have to work tomorrow so i'm off to bed. farg them all.
Kinky Dick Sex
Kinda' Dick Sick
Trade McNabb and Vick (together) for a 1st rounder, draft Tim Tebow, Kolb-Tebow tandem like Leak-Tebow = instant championship?
way to ruin a serious thread you farging mongoloids
Quote from: Dillen on January 10, 2010, 01:26:11 AM
Trade McNabb and Vick (together) for a 1st rounder, draft Tim Tebow, Kolb-Tebow tandem like Leak-Tebow = instant championship?
No more booze for you.
trade mcnabb for crack rock and be happy for 5 minutes.
cut mcnabbs neck 15 minutes later and steal his money for more crack.
crack.
Donovan's mosquito off a windshield impression might not end up being the last impression we have of him as an Eagle but it certainly will be the most resonant one.
Quote from: Rome on January 10, 2010, 02:25:33 AM
Donovan's mosquito off a windshield impression might not end up being the last impression we have of him as an Eagle but it certainly will be the most resonant one.
lolol.....romey as usual gets it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H84hRlibdXg
beginning of the video. how does he live with himself. just a complete and total embarrassment to civilization. get off my team now.
Been thinking about this over night.
1) McNabb lacks the 'intangibles'; leadership, making the right play at the right time, whatever you want to call it. There have been QBs who won SB without it (looking at you Trent Dilfer). This can't be coached, and you'd like it in a QB, but isn't always a game breaker.
2) Even in his pre-injury prime, 5 just isn't the type of QB you want dropping back 30-40 times a game like Reid often calls. If he could play for a team where he could hand off 25 times a game to a quality running game (St. Louis?) while throwing safe passes and the occasional deep ball to keep the D honest, but not have to carry the team on his shoulders, he'd play a better overall game in my opinion. SB quality? Maybe, but there are many other variables in that equation.
3) McNabb has had his opportunities to show improvement, but I have to wonder how different his career would have been playing for a different coach? Reid may think himself an offensive genius, but obviously he doesn't care about McNabb's worm murdering spree, or his inability to properly lead a receiver on crossing routes, etc. Particularly I think McNabb needed (needs) a good positional QB coach who will get in his face about his fundamentals. I don't think he's had one his entire career under Reid? My mind goes back to Cunningham and Doug Scovil, there was an obvious change in Randall's play after his 'dedication' season in 90. (although his injuries probably didn't help)
Quote from: KDS on January 10, 2010, 03:19:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H84hRlibdXg
beginning of the video. how does he live with himself. just a complete and total embarrassment to civilization. get off my team now.
holy shtein farging douche chills
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 10, 2010, 09:28:40 AM
Been thinking about this over night.
1) McNabb lacks the 'intangibles'; leadership, making the right play at the right time, whatever you want to call it. There have been QBs who won SB without it (looking at you Trent Dilfer). This can't be coached, and you'd like it in a QB, but isn't always a game breaker.
2) Even in his pre-injury prime, 5 just isn't the type of QB you want dropping back 30-40 times a game like Reid often calls. If he could play for a team where he could hand off 25 times a game to a quality running game (St. Louis?) while throwing safe passes and the occasional deep ball to keep the D honest, but not have to carry the team on his shoulders, he'd play a better overall game in my opinion. SB quality? Maybe, but there are many other variables in that equation.
3) McNabb has had his opportunities to show improvement, but I have to wonder how different his career would have been playing for a different coach? Reid may think himself an offensive genius, but obviously he doesn't care about McNabb's worm murdering spree, or his inability to properly lead a receiver on crossing routes, etc. Particularly I think McNabb needed (needs) a good positional QB coach who will get in his face about his fundamentals. I don't think he's had one his entire career under Reid? My mind goes back to Cunningham and Doug Scovil, there was an obvious change in Randall's play after his 'dedication' season in 90. (although his injuries probably didn't help)
Sounds like all anyone has been thinking about is McNabb. Joe Montana could have been qb'n the team last night and still would have lost.
lol @ shorebird still defending mcnabb. tell me you haven't been up all night replying to every bad comment made about him.
I'm not defending him, just saying he's not the reason they lost.
he's not THE reason, he's just one in the long line
McNabb surely contributed to the loss, but he wasn't the one who allowed Romo to drive the Cowboys into the Eagle's red zone on 9 out of their first 10 drives.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 10, 2010, 02:30:05 PM
McNabb surely contributed to the loss, but he wasn't the one who allowed Romo to drive the Cowboys into the Eagle's red zone on 9 out of their first 10 drives.
Agreed. Everyone blaming ONLY McNabb needs to be burned with the rest of the team. Yes, he's surely at fault. BIG time. But where is the thread calling out this defense? I mean, really. The defense was as bad as I've seen from the Eagles in years and years. Jim Johnson's rolling over in his grave.
The defense was bad, but in their defense, Dallas started seven drives on the Eagles side of the DAL 40 and they got very little time to rest due to the huge imbalance in time of possession. Some of that is their own doing, but if the offense hadn't been playing like total shtein, it would have been much easier for the defense to operate.
The 1st drive was horrible by the defense....they lucked out w/Dallas penalties
Even though the defense had no rest at all, someone had to step up and making a farging play on a 3rd down. Dallas converted them at will. Seems like in the first half they wouldve been better off skipping 1st and 2nd down and just go straight to converting the 3rd and long like they would do anyways.
I didn't think last week couldn't get any worse, oh how I was wrong.
1. Donovan was not the problem. He was a problem in a long line of problems.
2. You knew Dallas was going to do exactly what they did last week defensively. They were going to pin their ears back and let Ware and Spencer and Ratliff get after his ass. They were going to bring pressure and double Jackson. It was on the coaching staff to implement a game plan that would counter that. They failed miserably.
3. The answer to Dallas last night was to grind it out. Keep their offense off the field. The way to do that was use the three farging RBs you have at your disposal. Run them and screen them. Take Dallas' game plan and put it on the Eagles and that's what I am talking about. If they are taking Jackson away with doubles (and Maclin too) that, theoretically, would allow Celek and the backs to have space in the flat and underneath to operate. But they kept trying to force everything down the field. Stupid.
4. The offensive line was operating with two major weaknesses; Cole at C and MJG at RG. Dallas structured their pressure accordingly. They got after McNabb big time. Did we see any counter moves from Andy and Marty? Nope.
Nothing was done. NOTHING. McNabb had no time. Whe he did have time he was off. When he had a ton of time, on the rare occasion, he had no one to throw to because everyone was blanketed.
It was a perfect storm of suck.
farg those gutless iceholes. They came out and got spanked and did not show any ounce of fight.
Unprepared. Heartless. farg you, Eagles.
highest wild card round ratings since 1999 for the game
banner inc is happy
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2010, 11:07:24 PMand thats after a runway air guitar and a plexi glass head butt
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad10/Shadyb1999/1zmzi0w-2.gif)
ed can you please remove this clip of this farging pap smear? no need to keep reminding us of how unfocused of a qb this guy truly is
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2010, 02:59:51 PM
farg those gutless iceholes. They came out and got spanked and did not show any ounce of fight.
Unprepared. Heartless. farg you, Eagles.
That is why I said before and say again now, if your going to blame one person, blame the coach. Reid's team was not prepared to win, two games in a row against a division rival.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 10, 2010, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2010, 11:07:24 PMand thats after a runway air guitar and a plexi glass head butt
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad10/Shadyb1999/1zmzi0w-2.gif)
what farging titantic douchebag....i cant believe he plays for the same franchise as seth joyner carl hariston wes hopkins wilbert montgomery and brian dawkins
dont forget this gem
(http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/jay-cutler-superstar/mcnabb%20cutler.jpg)
Vick puts his head down when it starts, he would have drowned Mcnabb if the cameras werent on him
lol...pretty much....hes like get me the farg off the same team as this farging POS
how funny/sad was it when mcnabb couldnt get a ball near a wr and a farging guy out of prison walks on the field and throws a 70 yard touchdown before anyone could blink
if that one small sequence doesnt run mcnabb out of town then nothing will
if only we could have seen pimps reaction after the plexiglass hump
hes all into it when 5 was just doing his lame air guitar thing, but im guessing once it morphed into his epic level of doucheness, things changed
Lol @ "epic level of doucheness!"
no, you're right, it was great
Yes, that's what he said. It was great.
it made dhani jones look cool....at least dhani did it after a good play...mcnabb did it right before 60 minutes of horribleness
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2010, 07:25:13 PM
how funny/sad was it when mcnabb couldnt get a ball near a wr and a farging guy out of prison walks on the field and throws a 70 yard touchdown before anyone could blink
if that one small sequence doesnt run mcnabb out of town then nothing will
Not arguing that McNabb is almost certainly gone, but I don't think Vick caused most of the Cowboys to bite on the run fake and Jenkins to fall down when Maclin cut back outside.
I suppose I should be ashamed to admit I liked it.
of course you did
if mcnabb took a shtein at midfield youd probably clean it up
once a 5 homer, always a 5 homer
No way.
I'd pay someone to do it.
well at least theres something
but really i hope you said your goodbyes to your boy. what a way to go out, huh.
Who would take his 10MM contract? Noone, that's who. Which is awesome, since now they can't even get a 7th without him redoing his contract, which is unlikely.
dear donovan,
you can still give us a parade.
just farging slaughter yourself and let the celebration begin
blow me,
lbi
ive expanded my search to not just playoffs but any modern era nfl game where a starting qb had one or less completions and didnt go out with an injury
Quote from: KDS on January 10, 2010, 10:45:25 PM
once a 5 homer, always a 5 homer
not true. this season has been a complete 180 for me and i think for a select few others here also. i've always defended him. he needs better wr, he needs a better te, he needs a rb. in short, he needs playmakers who fit the type of offense reid wants to run. well, he got them. and there was still a huge gap between his highs and lows. he still got softer as the situation became more critical. he had everything this year that mcnabb supporters have been screaming for since he was drafted and the results didn't change one bit. not only didn't the eagles win a super bowl, but his poor post season play continued.
him throwing the youngsters under the bus was the last straw for me. his retarded shucking and jiving for the camera was the most embarrassing display i've ever seen, though. the worst as well.
I will say this much.
I agree he needs to go. I hate that because I think Reid set him up for failure from day 1. Its not just about giving him the tools he needs. He FINALLY got them this year, but he still got the zesty ass playcalling that comes from Reid and his pass constantly outlook. With a good run game, McNabb plays like an elite QB. When he has to pass 80% of the time, he fails.
in fact he got more weapons and actually ended up taking a step backwards
I still dont believe mcnabb with a solid run game becomes anything close to an elite qb. a good run game wouldnt help him from that ball in the dirt first pass or the pass behind maclin, etc. etc. bottom line--he holds on to the ball way too long--even longer than the average qb's in the league. he would find some way to farg it up
it was amazing last night watching Warner play the position. even though he didnt have pressure coming at him left and right all game, his ability to process the information that the defense is giving him, make that quick of a decision, and deliver a consistent accurate pass in stride is something special. I was jealous as hell.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 11, 2010, 09:42:37 AM
I will say this much.
I agree he needs to go. I hate that because I think Reid set him up for failure from day 1. Its not just about giving him the tools he needs. He FINALLY got them this year, but he still got the zesty ass playcalling that comes from Reid and his pass constantly outlook. With a good run game, McNabb plays like an elite QB. When he has to pass 80% of the time, he fails.
i agree to a certain extent. the first 4 years of mcnabb's career, the eagles pretty much were going as far as he could carry them and i think he did an admirable job. but if there's any one thing that can't be coached, it's mental toughness. and mcnabb hasn't developed any since he was drafted.
i still love the guy. i'm still a fan. but it's just not happening here.
Quote from: reese125 on January 11, 2010, 10:01:56 AM
I still dont believe mcnabb with a solid run game becomes anything close to an elite qb. a good run game wouldnt help him from that ball in the dirt first pass or the pass behind maclin, etc. etc. bottom line--he holds on to the ball way too long--even longer than the average qb's in the league. he would find some way to farg it up
it was amazing last night watching Warner play the position. even though he didnt have pressure coming at him left and right all game, his ability to process the information that the defense is giving him, make that quick of a decision, and deliver a consistent accurate pass in stride is something special. I was jealous as hell.
Reese, seriously...did you watch this season? Or any season for that matter? When the playcalling was balanced, McNabb had passer ratings in the 100s. When it wasn't, and he was forced to pass 70-80% of the time, defenses saw what was coming and he was pounced.
Again, he needs to go. I think in the right system, he'll be tremendous. But Reid has killed his chances of succeeding here.
I love how a balanced system makes this guy a superior qb. forget about all your in-season dreams and passer rating stats girl--they mean jack come playoff time
if you want to believe it, by all means roll with it--you just wont be bring my ass on the train. mcnabb has proven without a doubt, right system or not that he just cant handle the pressure....I dont know how much more you need to see. all of his inadequacies have/will ultimately result in 3 and outs no matter the system when it matters the most
no, because a balanced attack woudln't help ANY QB. What is wrong with you?
Running the ball 10 times in a game makes the offense predictable. Play action and other plays that are SET UP by a run game...become non-existent.
I can't believe I really need to explain this to you.
just because reid needs to call a better game doesnt explain away donovans inadequacies
at the end of the day an inaccurate up chucker is still an inaccurate upchucker
basically the mcnabb people have nothing left to defend him on so they come up with something that cant and wont be proven...which is a hypothetical 'IF reid was gone donovan would be fine'
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 11, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
no, because a balanced attack woudln't help ANY QB. What is wrong with you?
Running the ball 10 times in a game makes the offense predictable. Play action and other plays that are SET UP by a run game...become non-existent.
I can't believe I really need to explain this to you.
man..I guess you got me. what was I thinking? thanks
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 10:21:15 AM
just because reid needs to call a better game doesnt explain away donovans inadequacies
at the end of the day an inaccurate up chucker is still an inaccurate upchucker
basically the mcnabb people have nothing left to defend him on so they come up with something that cant and wont be proven...which is a hypothetical 'IF reid was gone donovan would be fine'
Agreed, lets take a chance and get rid of both of them, along with the OC and DC.
all of which I said. Blow it all up.
10year Gold Standard
No reason to blow up the team when you have Celek/Jackson/Maclin/McCoy/Weaver (I hope) on offense. Retool the line, start Kolb at QB to see what he has and the offense should be fine. Now, if you want to completely blow up the defense and start from square one then I'm with you there.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2010, 11:16:19 AM
No reason to blow up the team when you have Celek/Jackson/Maclin/McCoy/Weaver (I hope) on offense. Retool the line, start Kolb at QB to see what he has and the offense should be fine. Now, if you want to completely blow up the defense and start from square one then I'm with you there.
Don't really even need to retool the line in my opinion. Just need them to be healthy and play together. I don't think the line is a big issue, long term.
Everything else here I agree with.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2010, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2010, 11:16:19 AM
No reason to blow up the team when you have Celek/Jackson/Maclin/McCoy/Weaver (I hope) on offense. Retool the line, start Kolb at QB to see what he has and the offense should be fine. Now, if you want to completely blow up the defense and start from square one then I'm with you there.
Don't really even need to retool the line in my opinion. Just need them to be healthy and play together. I don't think the line is a big issue, long term.
Everything else here I agree with.
i have my doubts about the o-line. mostly shawn andrews. and then jason peters. not to mention that jamaal jackson most likely won't be ready for the start of the season or at the very least, might not be effective. acl tears still take 1yr+ to really fully recover from and jackson tore his in week 16. i really wouldn't count on him being effective next year.
its the least of their worries right now, but I was never a fan of Jackson to begin with... so replacing him somehow (especially after this kind if injury) would be a plus. I'm tired of seeing him year in and year out getting consistently pushed back into Mcnabb.
You may be right, Sarge, but both tackles are here on long term contracts and both have the ability to play well. Who knows if they actually will, but O-Line isn't high on my list of things that need to be worked out.
the oline is more than fine if all the guys can get on the field...but thats a humongous IF...
thus the offensive line really isnt fine
that said you cant spend resources on re tooling an entire unit just because youre unsure of whos gonna show up to work...you have no choice but to lay in the bed you made and hope it all pans out...in the meantime you need to be working on upgrading the positions that are talent black holes
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2zsa2ip.jpg)
Oh god please make it stop.
"man...you could never tell he got shut out last game. what a cool customer he is..."
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 11:47:38 AM
the oline is more than fine if all the guys can get on the field...but thats a humongous IF...
thus the offensive line really isnt fine
that said you cant spend resources on re tooling an entire unit just because youre unsure of whos gonna show up to work...you have no choice but to lay in the bed you made and hope it all pans out...in the meantime you need to be working on upgrading the positions that are talent black holes
this.
DE opposite Cole, S and LB should be the team's top 3 priorities.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2010, 11:16:19 AM
No reason to blow up the team when you have Celek/Jackson/Maclin/McCoy/Weaver (I hope) on offense. Retool the line, start Kolb at QB to see what he has and the offense should be fine. Now, if you want to completely blow up the defense and start from square one then I'm with you there.
I already also said to keep those guys....but defense? Blow it up. QB from top to bottom? Blow it up. Coaching staff? Blow it up.
i realize their 11 wins are a mirage of sorts but still you dont blow up young playoff teams
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 11, 2010, 12:20:14 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2010, 11:16:19 AM
No reason to blow up the team when you have Celek/Jackson/Maclin/McCoy/Weaver (I hope) on offense. Retool the line, start Kolb at QB to see what he has and the offense should be fine. Now, if you want to completely blow up the defense and start from square one then I'm with you there.
I already also said to keep those guys....but defense? Blow it up. QB from top to bottom? Blow it up. Coaching staff? Blow it up.
And draft Colt McCoy? He's heroic
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 12:21:30 PM
i realize their 11 wins are a mirage of sorts but still you dont blow up young playoff teams
there is no answer at the QB spot right now.
The coaching staff sucks.
The defense is an abomination.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 12:21:30 PM
i realize their 11 wins are a mirage of sorts but still you dont blow up young playoff teams
Thank you. The defense needs talent in several spots, but the pieces are in place for an exciting offense for years to come.
the defense has been the same as it has been all year...granted not nearly good enough but that was obvious before the season started...dont overreact because they got dominated the last two weeks by a qb and an offense that is on fire right now...no doubt it needs some improvement but more targeted tweaking than blowing up
give the keys of the car to cobb....its his time...and its not like they will be going with a rookie there...its a guy who has been in the system for four years...let him get the number one snaps for a full training camp and see what happens
Im still trying to find answers to this debacle...didnt jim johnson leave a notebook behind for mcdermott to read before he died?
part 2 of 'we showed our youth'
Quote"We can't control who's on the schedule," McNabb said. "We won 11 games. We didn't win 16, I'm sorry for that. But you know what - we had a great season. We did a lot of explosive things on offense. [Whether] they were winning teams or not. I can't control that. But we beat some fairly decent defenses. We can't control what their record is at the end. But one thing we can control is winning the ballgame."
throw in the condescending 'im sorry we didnt go 16-0' comment and you get yet another epic performance from this life long loser.
go away.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4816179
Please kill me.
no surprise by reid there...what else is he going to say?
i listened to the presser and the words 'donovan mcnabb is my 2010 starter' never came out of the coaches mouth
basically someone asked him if donovan would be on the team next year and he said yeah right now thats how i feel or some shtein like that...it was hardly emphatic
either way anything he says right now is hardly written in sand much less stone
I always assume he writes things down in orange french fry grease.
butter puffs mayo flakes and pork berries
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2010, 01:40:40 PM
Please kill me.
We are this close to finally having our own Jonestown massacre. We have numerous members that could assume the role of Jim Jones.
the only thing worse would be a news conference announcing a long-term extension for him.
(http://www.famouspictures.org/mag/images/d/de/Vietnam_Execution.jpg)
I think I've closed out the past 5 years with this.
tick tock. only a matter of time Rome.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 01:46:58 PM
i listened to the presser and the words 'donovan mcnabb is my 2010 starter' never came out of the coaches mouth
basically someone asked him if donovan would be on the team next year and he said yeah right now thats how i feel or some shtein like that...it was hardly emphatic
either way anything he says right now is hardly written in sand much less stone
I didn't hear the presser but I did hear a 10 second outtake in which Reid seemed to pretty clearly say McNabb would be the starter next year. I don't think it really matters, if Reid was going to get rid of him (which would surprise me) he'd probably say the same thing anyway. The other question asked was if 5 staying was his (Reid's) call and he said "it's my call."
he could have been much more more forceful in saying it and he didnt do it
I have always been a McNabb supporter, but it is time for him to go now. He laid an egg in back to back games against the most hated rival.
yeah...I also just heard mike wilbon going off on mcnabb on PIT as well. kind of weird hearing the "mcnabb must go" chants from the major media outlets, and also very satisfying and telling at the same time
thats shocking coming from wilbon who is mcnabbs boy as they are both from chicago
was he saying he had to go because he stinks or because the awful philly fans dont deserve him...because thats his usual schtick
wilbon has been a mcnabb homer since day 1. just unquestioned loyalty. if even he is giving up, then it really might be over for 5.
well im betting that he wasnt killing mcnabb he was just saying it time for a change of scenery type thing...hes been saying that for a couple years now
yea i can see that
i wonder what happens when mcnabb fails at stop no. 2. who's fault is it then?
Quote from: KDS on January 11, 2010, 08:00:53 PM
yea i can see that
i wonder what happens when mcnabb fails at stop no. 2. who's fault is it then?
boldin and fitz for not being dangerous enough weapons
Wilbon is a McNabb homer 'cause he likes him? Look, almost all of us agree McNabb needs to go and his time here is over. I don't think he has what it takes to win a Superbowl, at least in Philly, and he has the leadership ability of a dog turd. But he doesn't suck or stink. You don't pass for 35 hundred yards with 22 td's and stink. Going by what some here are saying Dan Marino or Jim Kelly must have sucked too.
no hes a mcnabb homer cause hes really good friends with him and both are from chicago
and no one said mcnabb stinks
and jim kelly and dan mariono played in a totally different league
3500 yards now is not the same as 3500 yards 20 years ago
shtein romo had 4500 yards this year
i wouldn't say wilbon is a mcnabb "homer" because i've seen him criticize him for poor play quite a few times. but he's also a big fan of mcnabb as well. of course, fan and homer are often synonymous in the eyes of some.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 07:40:23 PM
thats shocking coming from wilbon who is mcnabbs boy as they are both from chicago
was he saying he had to go because he stinks or because the awful philly fans dont deserve him...because thats his usual schtick
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
no one said mcnabb stinks
Maybe I'm taking that outta' context.
no hes boys with mcnabb and always defends him and always takes his side
not a big deal, every has they peoples.
Quote from: KDS on January 11, 2010, 08:13:23 PMnot a big deal, every has they peoples.
yeah, you need to stop posting like that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
and jim kelly and dan mariono played in a totally different league
Not my point at all. They never won a Superbowl. McNabb has been to as many championship games as Kelly, more than Marino.
Quote from: shorebird on January 11, 2010, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 07:40:23 PM
thats shocking coming from wilbon who is mcnabbs boy as they are both from chicago
was he saying he had to go because he stinks or because the awful philly fans dont deserve him...because thats his usual schtick
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
no one said mcnabb stinks
Maybe I'm taking that outta' context.
i wasnt saying he stinks i was more or less asking if wilbon was ripping him for his play and thats why he needed to leave philly or rather he needed a change
Quote from: shorebird on January 11, 2010, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
and jim kelly and dan mariono played in a totally different league
Not my point at all. They never won a Superbowl. McNabb has been to as many championship games as Kelly, more than Marino.
terrible point....saying mcnabb is even on the same planet as them is like saying trent dilfer was better than mcnabb cause he did win a superbowl...both are laughable
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 08:17:23 PM
Quote from: shorebird on January 11, 2010, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
and jim kelly and dan mariono played in a totally different league
Not my point at all. They never won a Superbowl. McNabb has been to as many championship games as Kelly, more than Marino.
terrible point....saying mcnabb is even on the same planet as them is like saying trent dilfer was better than mcnabb cause he did win a superbowl...both are laughable
Dilfer didn't win that Superbowl, the Ravens D and running game did. Also, Kelly or Marino have done nothing more than McNabb besides pass for more yards.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: shorebird on January 11, 2010, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 07:40:23 PM
thats shocking coming from wilbon who is mcnabbs boy as they are both from chicago
was he saying he had to go because he stinks or because the awful philly fans dont deserve him...because thats his usual schtick
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
no one said mcnabb stinks
Maybe I'm taking that outta' context.
i wasnt saying he stinks i was more or less asking if wilbon was ripping him for his play and thats why he needed to leave philly or rather he needed a change
After the way you constantly rip McNabb, flat out say he stinks in a post, you are now going to say you've never said he stinks? You just lost what little credibility you had.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 07:40:23 PM
thats shocking coming from wilbon who is mcnabbs boy as they are both from chicago
was he saying he had to go because he stinks or because the awful philly fans dont deserve him...because thats his usual schtick
he never said he stinks...of course he would never say that, but he did say that "its been a nice decade- but his time has come and gone in philly", "its time to move on", doesnt think he'll be the starter next year and some other fluff. still very weird coming from him.
i dont think ive ever tried to this hard in a post, but here goes:
since 2000, donovan mcnabb is 12-27 against playoff teams (21-34 if you count the playoff games).
other records: feeley is 0-3, detmer is 1-0, mcmahon is 0-4, kolb is 0-1 and garcia is 2-1 and 1-1 in the playoffs.
combine that all together and the eagles, since 2000, are 15-36 against playoff teams.
without looking at other consistantly good teams record against playoff teams, we might have one of the most fraudulent "dynastys" on our hands. sickening.
It seems obvious to me that the career most wasted was Koy's.
Quote from: KDS on January 11, 2010, 08:54:23 PM
i dont think ive ever tried to this hard in a post, but here goes:
since 2000, donovan mcnabb is 12-27 against playoff teams (21-34 if you count the playoff games).
other records: feeley is 0-3, detmer is 1-0, mcmahon is 0-4, kolb is 0-1 and garcia is 2-1 and 1-1 in the playoffs.
combine that all together and the eagles, since 2000, are 15-36 against playoff teams.
without looking at other consistantly good teams record against playoff teams, we might have one of the most fraudulent "dynastys" on our hands. sickening.
Just outright disturbing. Holy farg.
I wish I could say I was shocked
So, K/MDS, do you lay that at the feet of McNabb?
Call me a McNabb homer all you want, but I can criticize him. And he played like shtein this past game. But it has to be recognized that it was not all his fault. I am glad they announced he will be back and I hope they sign him to an extension. I do not believe Kolb is the answer.
I believe the answer is allowing him another year (and more) to develop those weapons. Let Maclin and McCoy grow. Get more time with Pimp and Celek.
Fix the farging OL and get a defense that can get the hell off the field.
phreak
=
(http://www.barking-moonbat.com/images/uploads/bagdad_bob_large.gif)
how much more proof do you need before you get it?
i dont even know what to do with you anymore. its never going to happen here. ever. theyve tried and tried and never ever been good enough. they never beat playoff teams. what on earth makes you think 3 more years of donovan and andy, after 11 seasons, is going to work? youre just not willing to face reality.
also i dont get the kolb hate. hes played 2.5 games in the nfl, he's a big giant question mark. could he be the next tom brady? maybe. the next bobby hoying? maybe. trent dilfer? maybe. i dont know. nobody knows. only way to find out is to let him play.
I just almost puked at the "could he be Tom Brady" comment.
Shut it MDS. Enough is enough.
Quote from: KDS on January 11, 2010, 10:24:41 PM
how much more proof do you need before you get it?
i dont even know what to do with you anymore. its never going to happen here. ever. theyve tried and tried and never ever been good enough. they never beat playoff teams. what on earth makes you think 3 more years of donovan and andy, after 11 seasons, is going to work? youre just not willing to face reality.
also i dont get the kolb hate. hes played 2.5 games in the nfl, he's a big giant question mark. could he be the next tom brady? maybe. the next bobby hoying? maybe. trent dilfer? maybe. i dont know. nobody knows. only way to find out is to let him play.
I don't hate Kolb. I just prefer McNabb. I like McNabb a lot as a QB and I believe he can win. He has his faults. It doesn't matter who the QB is here (or in most NFL cities, the ones who give a shtein at least), faults will be found and beaten to death.
Kolb has blemishes. Obviously those could be worked out, but when you have a proven NFL QB in McNabb you keep him. Is Kevin Kolb going to learn to not throw that back breaking INT? Maybe. Maybe not.
Is he ever going to learn to get the ball out faster? Probably.
But they have a proven commodity already. Sell high on Kolb, extend McNabb and build the defense and the OL.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 11, 2010, 10:25:26 PM
I just almost puked at the "could he be Tom Brady" comment.
Shut it MDS. Enough is enough.
i honestly dont know. brady came out of nowhere, which is why i made the comparison and not to someone like manning, elway, marino who were studs by the time they were 14.
you guys all think kolb sucks for whatever reason. i have an expectedly rough half against baltimore, an average performance against a great saints team and a solid performance against a porous chiefs team to base my opinion of him. the verdict: i dont know. how does anyone know. hes got to get a shot, then we can see. pretty simple.
@ phreak
if you dont get it now, you never will. does the 12-27 record not mean anything to you? take this year. he went 0-5 against playoff teams. 11-1 against non playoff teams. the best team he beat was the giants. he beat the falcons without matt ryan or michael turner. he beat kyle orton. he beat jason campbell. but he loses to phillip rivers, tony romo and jamarcus russell. does the loads of playoff shortcomings and epic chokes and saturdays epic failure not mean anything? how many times must he scream "i'm not good enough" before you get it? hes not capable of winning. hes regressed as a quarterback. he gets scared and jittery in big games. his record and performance continue to prove that.
he is not going to win a superbowl here. its over. give it up. they had 11 years and they failed. he should be out the door with his coach but fatass got 3 more years. no need to make the same mistake twice.
Again, I ask you..are you laying the blame of this failure at his feet?
which failure?
the failure of the past 11 years? somewhat. 2000-2003 were probably unwinnable years considering how awful the receivers were. but that doesnt take away from the fact that mcnabb choked against tampa and carolina and failed on a do or die drive against st louis
the superbowl i blame him. the was the most complete team of the reid era and mcnabb cost them the game with 2 killer interceptions. one in the endzone, one to stall a drive in the 3rd. still not over that.
2005 was a lost year, partially due to the injury, partially due to the bitch fight between mcnabb and to.
2006 the team played better with garcia than mcnabb. no denying that.
2007 they played 9 playoff teams--by far the most of any season--and went mcnabb went 1-6 in those games. feeley went 0-2. coincidence? they go 8-8, dont make the playoffs, tough schedule....hmmmm....
2008 came down to one drive to tie against a lame duck arizona defense. donovan promptly went 4 and out. whine about the defense. go ahead. he had a drive to tie and failed.
2009 he had 3 awful games against the cowboys. end of story. he couldnt beat the best team in the division. he came up small in back to back games to end the season. he did play air guitar and hump plexiglass, though.
the one constant throughout the eagles shortcomings and failures--on the field--has been mcnabb has been right there for just about all of them. but i guess every time its someone elses fault.
Quote from: KDS on January 11, 2010, 11:18:00 PMthe one constant throughout the eagles shortcomings and failures--on the field--has been mcnabb has been right there for just about all of them. but i guess every time its someone elses fault.
McNabb hasn't been the
only constant. And even if he was, it's not his fault the other players sucked so bad they couldn't stick around as long.
Also, I think a QB/teams record against playoff teams is a bogus stat. A more informative one would be McNabb/Eagles record vs. teams with a winning season, defined as at least 9-7
This abomination of a season only proves how much McNabb really needs T.O. and how much T.O. really needs Donovan.
Get T.O.? :-D
T.O., Jackson, Maclin, Avant...only in Madden I guess.
farg this team. Who gives a shtein anyways.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 12, 2010, 12:23:37 AM
Quote from: KDS on January 11, 2010, 11:18:00 PMthe one constant throughout the eagles shortcomings and failures--on the field--has been mcnabb has been right there for just about all of them. but i guess every time its someone elses fault.
McNabb hasn't been the only constant. And even if he was, it's not his fault the other players sucked so bad they couldn't stick around as long.
Also, I think a QB/teams record against playoff teams is a bogus stat. A more informative one would be McNabb/Eagles record vs. teams with a winning season, defined as at least 9-7
right so its jon runyans fault
and if you factor in the 9-7 or 10-6 non playoff team the eagles played its a wash. their record against playoff teams and in the playoffs speaks for itself. stop being a homer and face reality. this thing was a failure. it didnt work. time to cut ties and move on.
Runyan let Strahan run by him a lot. Maybe you're onto something
It doesn't really matter who the QB is, as long as Reid is 'coaching' the team they will be a failure.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2010, 10:31:27 PM
but when you have a proven NFL QB in McNabb you keep him.
san fran traded joe montana to pave the way for steve young. and montana had won 4 super bowls.
miami declined dan marino's contract option for damon huard. marino held most major passing records at the time.
warren moon was traded to minnesota after leading the oilers to a 12-4 record in 1993 and replaced by a trio of qbs....billy joe tolliver, cody carlson and buckey richardson who managed to lead them to 2 whole wins the following year.
all 3 were better than mcnabb and all 3 were seen as expendable with unproven qb's standing behind them. why should mcnabb be any different?
QuoteIs Kevin Kolb going to learn to not throw that back breaking INT? Maybe. Maybe not.
Is he ever going to learn to get the ball out faster? Probably.
But they have a proven commodity already. Sell high on Kolb, extend McNabb and build the defense and the OL.
here's the difference between kolb and mcnabb. kolb can get better. mcnabb can't. mcnabb, just like andy reid, has had 10 years to fix his deficiencies. he hasn't. both of them peaked in 2004 and have gradually been moving backwards since.
What the hell makes anyone think Kevin Kolb will be successful/survive dropping back 45 times a game? Could you imagine him in that game on saturday? He woulda been carted off by half time.
The only, ONLY way this team ever wins is when the offense balances out.
Quote from: Munson on January 12, 2010, 05:17:53 AM
What the hell makes anyone think Kevin Kolb will be successful/survive dropping back 45 times a game? Could you imagine him in that game on saturday? He woulda been carted off by half time.
The only, ONLY way this team ever wins is when the offense balances out.
in the first half saturday they threw 11 times and ran 7...they were down 27-7 at half
the quarterback not named vick could literally not complete passes
period end of story
stop making excuses
i ask again who has ever had one completion in the first half of ANY modern nfl game
Stop acting like McNabb was just plain missing his receivers. He was running for his life pretty much the whole game, watch the replay.
one pass completion in the first half
just because a guy has pressure on him doesnt mean its always the offensive line
maybe if he was capable of accurately getting rid of the ball on a three step drop
or if he EVER accurately got rid of the ball in a timely fashion he wouldnt be happy feeting it all over the field
the eagles didnt blitz at all in the regular season finale and in the press last week mcdermott said he made a mistake with that and romo said he expects an onslaught...so you know what dallas did...they went with majority three step drops and romo put the ball where it needed to be...this is something that just isnt in mcnabbs game
thus the eagles have to hope the line gives him perfect protection and a wr is running open deep or they have trouble moving the ball against any defense that have even a decent pass rush
oh and did i mention your qb had one completion in an entire half of a football game
Whatever man, a three step drop isn't in the game plan, thats on the coach, not that it would have mattered with the way Dallas was blanketing the wr's.
lol so now not only was the line terrible
the coaches suck
AND the wr's couldnt get open
it never ends
poor donnie surrounded by all this ineptness...how does he even get up in the morning
No, they couldn't, at least not consistantly.
When are you gonna' get it through that thick head of yours? I've already said McNabb should go. But I'm not throwing him under the bus as the sole reason the Eagles lost. He didn't help, but to put it like you do is just narrowminded hate for McNabb. It's getting old.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2010, 10:12:59 AM
poor donnie surrounded by all this ineptness...how does he even get up in the morning
The Eagles were exposed as the playoff pretenders that they were, THE WHOLE TEAM, not just McNabb. A defense that couldn't stop a high school team, a line that missed blocks all day, receivers that couldn't get open in man coverage, and a qb without the intestinal fortitude to shake them up and lead them to anything but an embarassment of a game.
no one has said he's the sole reason the eagles lost. however, what many of us are saying is that he is the common denominator (in terms of players on the field) in every post season failure over the last 10 years (sans 07 when he was injured). and he's the quarterback. the leader. the guy who touches the ball more than any other player on field. on the field, it starts and ends with him.
on the sidelines and in the front office is another story, but on the field, it's all on him. period.
I know that, but some want too act like he had time to thorw and had receivers open all day long that he didn't see or couldn't hit. Least thats the impression I'm getting. Igy says just because someone gets pressure it's not always the o-line?? Only when McNabb gets pressure it's not the line or wr's not getting open, it's him holding the ball too long, right. McNabb had guys on him before he was done dropping back half the time, look at the tape. Guys weren't getting open. He's had his bad games like the game before the last one. Now, that one you can pin on him, not this last one.
hes had years with excellent defenses
hes had years with weapons
hes had years with great offensive lines
like sarge said the one common thread here is 5
Quote from: shorebird on January 12, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
I know that, but some want too act like he had time to thorw and had receivers open all day long that he didn't see or couldn't hit. Least thats the impression I'm getting. Igy says just because someone gets pressure it's not always the o-line?? Only when McNabb gets pressure it's not the line or wr's not getting open, it's him holding the ball too long, right. McNabb had guys on him before he was done dropping back half the time, look at the tape. Guys weren't getting open. He's had his bad games like the game before the last one. Now, that one you can pin on him, not this last one.
ive watched the game two times and fast forwarded thru it once...youre grossly exaggerating the pass rush...was there pressure definitely...could the line have been better hell yeah...
but a qb has to perform under pressure sometimes...was there so much pressure that he couldnt have been successful absolutely 100% not...is there a single reason other than his ineptitude that he completed one god damn pass in a whole half...no way
first play of the game was pretty much the last two weeks in a nutshell...mcnabb drops back...has tons of time...has macklin open on a crossing route and what does he do...almost delays the game by using the ball to put a hole in the turf
and jesus christ mcnabb has held the ball to long for 11 years...how can you be an eagle fan and not have seen that...its at the heart of why he cant run a west coast offense...its why his int rate is so low...because he cant/is unwilling to throw balls into coverage
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2010, 10:42:33 AM
and jesus christ mcnabb has held the ball to long for 11 years...how can you be an eagle fan and not have seen that...its at the heart of why he cant run a west coast offense...its why his int rate is so low...because he cant/is unwilling to throw balls into coverage
This. The WCO is completely the wrong offense for McNabb's skills. Apparently Reid and Marty haven't realized this after 10 years so who expects a change? 5 is 'their guy'. Could McNabb have been more successful in another offensive style? I think it's possible, but we'll probably never know.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 12, 2010, 10:57:39 AM
This. The WCO is completely the wrong offense for McNabb's skills. Apparently Reid and Marty haven't realized this after 10 years so who expects a change? 5 is 'their guy'. Could McNabb have been more successful in another offensive style? I think it's possible, but we'll probably never know.
more successful would mean have won a superbowl?
i would contend he had ample opportunity to win one and if he had it in him to do so he would have
do i have major problems with andy reid...sure...but over the years having seen more than enough of each of them ive come around to the conclusion that the qb is more of a problem than the coach tho neither are even close to being fault free
i got so annoyed by donovan's air guitar routine before the game that i barely watched the game at all and i am happy about it.
to do it was bad enough. to do it then come out and be so completely awful was even worse.
just a complete clown in all respects.
cut the cord, fat man.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2010, 06:28:02 AM
Quote from: Munson on January 12, 2010, 05:17:53 AM
What the hell makes anyone think Kevin Kolb will be successful/survive dropping back 45 times a game? Could you imagine him in that game on saturday? He woulda been carted off by half time.
The only, ONLY way this team ever wins is when the offense balances out.
in the first half saturday they threw 11 times and ran 7...they were down 27-7 at half
the quarterback not named vick could literally not complete passes
period end of story
stop making excuses
i ask again who has ever had one completion in the first half of ANY modern nfl game
McNabb was 2-6 in the first half, so I don't know where you're getting 11 passes from...unless 5 of those passes ended up with McNabb on his ass/running the ball.
Again, imagine Kolb in that game. He woulda been crushed.
hypotheticals are cool...imagine cobb playing and throwing for 250 and a couple scores in the first half...see i can play to
or just imagine mcnabb having trouble completing simple passes...wait.....
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2010, 01:47:29 PM
or just imagine mcnabb having trouble completing simple passes...wait.....
that one is really easy to imagine for some reason
McNabb wasn't 2 of 6, Munson. Although I'm truly stunned that you got something so simple wrong.
That extra pass you're talking about, the only significant play of the half for the Eagles offense, definitely did not leave McNabb's fingers.
imagine theres no timing patterns
no crossing routes too
no big game pressure
its easy to do
no coverage on deep routes
i wonder if you can
no need for rings or titles
no being a man
just playing the air guitar
attempting to moonwalk in the sand
you may say im a dreamer
im probably the only one...
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2zsa2ip.jpg)
Quote from: rjs246 on January 12, 2010, 02:02:51 PM
McNabb wasn't 2 of 6, Munson. Although I'm truly stunned that you got something so simple wrong.
That extra pass you're talking about, the only significant play of the half for the Eagles offense, definitely did not leave McNabb's fingers.
yeah but didnt you hear cobb would have completed no passes: advantage 5
I really don't see how people can defend McNabb at this point. I said to some friends and family before the regular season finale if he really has turned over a new leaf we would find out in that game. It was basically put up or shut up and well we all know the answer.
It really is time to move on and I personally don't care if it is Kolb, Vick, or someone else.
no way id rather have vick but mcnabb gotta go
they traded anthony spencer (who terrorized them for the last two weeks) for cobb...the same cobb who like mcnabb is going into the last year of his deal...so to me this is the time right now to recoup something back in the cobb deal throw all your chips in the middle resign him long term and have him come into camp as the #1
the fear is that from seeing cobb in practice for the last four years they dont believe in him
after the mcnabb disasterous end and the situation with cobbs this is the perfect storm to finally end the donovan era
I think the most fascinating aspect to all of this is the fact that this guy has regressed in a big way, but yet there are still fans that are holding onto 2004.
the fact he lost to dallas 2 times like that created so much more hate for mcnabb than ever before. had he lost to the saints or the vikings first round I dont think it would be as bad as it is right now
i dont think losing to dallas helped of course but it wasnt the tipping point
it was how he lost...complete ineptitiude...busing his young receivers after debacle #1 and dhani jonesin it before and saying they had a great season after debacle #2
had he thrown for 700 yards and six touchdowns in the two games and lost 31-27 and 30-24 he would def be getting heat but it would be the same ole same ole as opposed to the complete vitriol you hear now
Quote from: rjs246 on January 12, 2010, 02:02:51 PM
McNabb wasn't 2 of 6, Munson. Although I'm truly stunned that you got something so simple wrong.
That extra pass you're talking about, the only significant play of the half for the Eagles offense, definitely did not leave McNabb's fingers.
That whole Weaver-fumble thing kind of counts as a completion, either that or the refs and the NFL owe the Eagles an apology.
And IGY, do you really think Kolb throws for 250 yards and 2 TDs getting harrased and hit the way McNabb was? Not a chance. McNabb had to escape from trouble so many times I was beggining to think he might actually be black.
Kolb would have been beaten and broken by the time the 2nd half ended.
And I'm laughing at everyone saying "stop defending McNabb"....No one is defending him! Just pointing out there are other troubles with this team....a few of them more pressing.
jesus christ... this thread is ABOUT mcnabb, stupid.
if you want to talk about the team's other troubles, then use another thread.
better yet, take your computer and smash it with a hammer.
hes such a dense farging moron that no matter what he talks about its like smashing your nuts in car door...like i was even remotely saying cobb would have those numbers...farging context you dope
Quotehypotheticals are cool...imagine cobb playing and throwing for 250 and a couple scores in the first half.
You were saying it as a hypothetical...when I'm talking in real world. If Kolb's in that same game, he's getting thrown to the ground every other play. McNabb didn't look great when he did have time to throw but he spent a good chunk of the game escaping/running away from Cowboy defenders. No way Kolb even survives that, he lacks pretty much any athleticism to avoid the rush.
No one's defending McNabb, no one's saying he played the best he can, no one's saying any of that.
well, first of all i disagree entirely with your perceptions of mcnabb "running away and escaping" because he did none of that. he had chances to run like a motherfarger for a first down and passed on them several times. the whole "black quarterback" thing must still be an issue for him.
in terms of kolb, you have no idea what he could have done out there. if reid had any sense whatsoever he would have put vick in there from the second half on because that would have at least given the cowboys something to worry about in the running game.
mcnabb is a fat, old, slow, inaccurate, mentally weak douchebag. he was the problem with the offense on saturday. him. not anyone else. not the offensive line, not the receivers and certainly not the running backs. him.
the black quarterback thing isn't an issue for him, he's just old and fat and can't run anymore
someone on wip the other day was pointing out how tiny his steps are now because hes to fat to take normal strides anymore so its 50 really fast almost waddles that end up moving him like 2 yards...its so true
how is mcnabb black
there were times when it looked like he had 20 yards of open field in front of him with only 5 or 6 yards to go on third down. something's going on in that feeble pea brain of his other than "i don't think i can make it" jonny jon.
Quote from: KDS on January 12, 2010, 08:13:05 PM
how is mcnabb black
he eats campbell's soup, not progresso.
Quote from: Rome on January 12, 2010, 08:13:31 PM
something's going on in that feeble pea brain of his other than "i don't think i can make it" jonny jon.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll16/Xanthewolf/th_monkey_cymbal.gif)
holy shtein...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2010, 08:12:56 PM
someone on wip the other day was pointing out how tiny his steps are now because hes to fat to take normal strides anymore so its 50 really fast almost waddles that end up moving him like 2 yards...its so true
For some reason this post is farging cracking me up.
Quote from: Rome on January 12, 2010, 08:13:31 PM
there were times when it looked like he had 20 yards of open field in front of him with only 5 or 6 yards to go on third down. something's going on in that feeble pea brain of his other than "i don't think i can make it" jonny jon.
Exactly - it's like after his third or fourth year he quit running altogether. He'd say shtein like he doesn't want to be known just as another black running QB; he wants to prove he can throw too. Why a professional QB wouldn't want to use all the tools he has at his disposal is beyond me, but I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason is because he's afraid of getting hurt.........again
So now McNabb is fat.
lol
I heard he also raped three 12 year old girls, and killed 84 kittens by throwing footballs at a target 3 inches to their right.
mcnabb's been fat for a couple years now. he did seem to slim down a bit the last 2 seasons but from 04-07, dude was busting at the seams in his uniform.
phreak just admit you want to stroke donovans schlong and be done with it
Quote from: Munson on January 12, 2010, 09:18:19 PM
I heard he also raped three 12 year old girls, and killed 84 kittens by throwing footballs at a target 3 inches to their right.
The kittens were killed because he was throwing at a target 10 yards further downfield than them
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 12, 2010, 09:18:30 PM
mcnabb's been fat for a couple years now. he did seem to slim down a bit the last 2 seasons but from 04-07, dude was busting at the seams in his uniform.
So a ripped 240 is fat?
MDS...don't be jealous.
your homerism for him knows no bounds. you are literally the only person on earth besides wilma that liked his air guitar and plexiglass hump. nothing is his fault, its always someone else. but i have to admit, he probably has a nice dong.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2010, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 12, 2010, 09:18:30 PM
mcnabb's been fat for a couple years now. he did seem to slim down a bit the last 2 seasons but from 04-07, dude was busting at the seams in his uniform.
So a ripped 240 is fat?
MDS...don't be jealous.
like i said, the last 2 years he's trimmed a few inches around his midriff. but for a while there, dude was starting to look like wilma.
i wouldnt say hes fat but hes definitely pudgy and whatever anyone thinks he is he definitely isnt "ripped"
Quote from: Rome on January 12, 2010, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: KDS on January 12, 2010, 08:13:05 PM
how is mcnabb black
he eats campbell's soup, not progresso.
Yeah, but Campbell's makes a Healthy Request Soup. Low cal, low carb, full of nutritious vegetables. Just what a fat ass needs.
chubby chasers
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2010, 11:04:28 AM
more successful would mean have won a superbowl?
i would contend he had ample opportunity to win one and if he had it in him to do so he would have
I was thinking more overall consistency in his game, but as you point out winning Superbowls is the ultimate goal.
So in that point of view McNabb's career is exactly as successful as Dan Marino's.
*ducks and covers* :paranoid
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 13, 2010, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2010, 11:04:28 AM
more successful would mean have won a superbowl?
i would contend he had ample opportunity to win one and if he had it in him to do so he would have
I was thinking more overall consistency in his game, but as you point out winning Superbowls is the ultimate goal.
So in that point of view McNabb's career is exactly as successful as Dan Marino's.
*ducks and covers* :paranoid
my point is he was on the cusp of six of them...meaning he was good enough to just about get there but not quite more than that...meaning if he was 'more successful' that would have meant at least one title
I like how it's him that was "just good enough to get there but not win it" and never the rest of the team or the coach. It's always just McNabb.
no you dont like it...you hate it with all your white trash might
anyway its the coach as well....but this isnt a burn in hell andy reid thread...take your ass there if this thread hurts your feelings
The thread doesn't hurt my feelings. The idiocy from you dolts is kind of disturbing though.
I think it all boils down to whether one believes ReidCo can instantly and regularly win 10 games a season without McNabb. And frankly that test is coming one day soon regardless.
Would a couple or three seasons of close but no cigar be OK using Cobbsy? For me yep, as I'm at the point where that is preferable to stasis. I believe a new QB will force a change to ReidCos game plan. To me this is what is needed. Reid ain't going nowhere. Losing McNabb brings some trepidation, but it needs to be done and the cowpuke ass raping brings it sooner IMO.
Too bad it won't be in 2010.
Quote from: KDS on January 12, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
your homerism for him knows no bounds. you are literally the only person on earth besides wilma that liked his air guitar and plexiglass hump. nothing is his fault, its always someone else. but i have to admit, he probably has a nice dong.
I feel bad for Vick. He has to put up with McNabb being such a douche bag. He must have known it was going to be over before it started...as did I.
A black man doing an air guitar should automatically trigger an implosion of self. Same thing when a white man tries to beat box.
Quote from: JackStraw on January 13, 2010, 03:39:12 PM
I think it all boils down to whether one believes ReidCo can instantly and regularly win 10 games a season without McNabb. And frankly that test is coming one day soon regardless.
Would a couple or three seasons of close but no cigar be OK using Cobbsy? For me yep, as I'm at the point where that is preferable to stasis. I believe a new QB will force a change to ReidCos game plan. To me this is what is needed. Reid ain't going nowhere. Losing McNabb brings some trepidation, but it needs to be done and the cowpuke ass raping brings it sooner IMO.
Too bad it won't be in 2010.
That is the only hope there is....that not having McNabb in there will force Reid to be more balanced, as he has tended to be when McNabb has been hurt.
I have absolutely no faith in Kolb dropping back 40 times a game consistently.
Domo was just on DNL and he thinks that McNabb is gone this offseason via trade. Him and Baldy believe they will go with Kolb. Man I hope it is true. Not that anyone knows what Kolb is but we know what McNabb isn't.
i was afraid this would happen.....after 3 or 4 solid days of ripping mcnabb and wanting him jettisoned into football obscurity, the pain from last week's game is beginning to go away and i find myself wanting to believe in mcnabb again. why can't i just let him go?
maybe it's because i've seen this before with cunningham. randall was being ridiculed by the fans and media for the eagles post season failures just as much as mcnabb is now. there were the "ran-doll" chants during his last few years in philly and just an overwhelming desire to get him away from the eagles.
then he left and a few years later, resurfaced with minny and all of a sudden i hear eagle fans cursing the team for letting him go. and now-a-days you will never ever ever hear a single eagles fan say anything bad about randall cunningham.
so i guess i know that that is exactly what's going to happen with mcnabb. if he gets run out of town people will be happy. but 10 years from now you won't be able to mention mcnabb's name without hearing "oh man, mcnabb was the shtein back in the day."
Everyone with half a brain knows this team is going to miss McNabb when he's gone.
It's the hate filled fools on here that want to blame everything on him that think him being gone will somehow turn Reid into a super bowl winning coach.
I can promise you that won't be with Kevin Kolb throwing 65% of the time. If they get lucky and land a better QB, or if Reid balances out the play calling, then maybe.
god you're dumb. you're agreeing with me and yet i read your post and think that you are literally the dumbest person alive. you really are a special mother farger.
Hahaha! Now McNabb is fat, slow, and everything that was wrong with the offense last week was his fault. Geez.
Quote from: hbionic on January 13, 2010, 03:41:22 PM
Quote from: KDS on January 12, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
your homerism for him knows no bounds. you are literally the only person on earth besides wilma that liked his air guitar and plexiglass hump. nothing is his fault, its always someone else. but i have to admit, he probably has a nice dong.
I feel bad for Vick. He has to put up with McNabb being such a douche bag. He must have known it was going to be over before it started...as did I.
A black man doing an air guitar should automatically trigger an implosion of self. Same thing when a white man tries to beat box.
or when a mexican tries to use birth control
Randall had some nice moments and a better punter than rugby-boy, but after that Dallas playoff loss as the unprepared back-up to rodneypeetecantbebeat he attained instant fagdom and remains to this day a tile-laying-non-HOF'ing fag.
And again, all at the hand of Dallas whose losses hold a special place in my left descending colon.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 13, 2010, 06:34:35 PM
god you're dumb. you're agreeing with me and yet i read your post and think that you are literally the dumbest person alive. you really are a special mother farger.
I love when people hate to try and blend in with the group.
I'm one of the few posting rationally around here. Your post about Cunningham was spot on. So is mine. Get over it.
mine was truer
Honestly, if Reid was leaving I would be fine with McNabb staying. The thing is one of them has to go. I have been a big McNabb supporter throughout his career, but the time has come to move on.
People can defend McNabb all they want, the thing is when the game is big and you only have a small window to make plays....he doesn't. No one knows what Kolb is yet, he could be Aaron Rodgers he could be Brian Griese.
I can tell you this as long as Reid and McNabb are together this team won't win.
Quote from: Munson on January 13, 2010, 08:21:20 PM
I'm one of the few posting rationally around here.
lol
QuoteYour post about Cunningham was spot on.
i know it was. otherwise i wouldn't have said it. not sure how you can be in agreement with me though since you were like 4 the last time randall even suited up for the eagles, much less when he was in his prime with them. watching old game tape in the rape basement, are we?
QuoteSo is mine.
your post was anything but spot on, especially this part:
Quote from: Munson on January 13, 2010, 06:20:17 PM
It's the hate filled fools on here that want to blame everything on him that think him being gone will somehow turn Reid into a super bowl winning coach.
i have not seen a single person here say that they think reid is going to win a super bowl without mcnabb. if such a post does exist, please direct me to the author so i can skullfarg him/her.
Quote
I can promise you that won't be with Kevin Kolb throwing 65% of the time. If they get lucky and land a better QB, or if Reid balances out the play calling, then maybe.
so what you're saying is that with a better qb and more balanced playcalling, the eagles might win a super bowl. thanks for the insiders info, sport.
QuoteGet over it.
get dead.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-it-time-for-the-Eagles-to-rid-themselves-of-D?urn=nfl,213341 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-it-time-for-the-Eagles-to-rid-themselves-of-D?urn=nfl,213341)
Quote
Is it time for the Eagles to rid themselves of Donovan McNabb?
I don't believe so, but you know what it is time for? Large groups of fans in Philadelphia to lose their minds, blame every Eagles failing on Donovan McNabb(notes), and call for him to be replaced, banished and beaten.
It feels a little different this year, because all of the discussion is moot -- head coach Andy Reid will be back, and he's already said that he wants McNabb back with him. It's a done deal. Of course, none of this stops all the discussing, shouting and complaining.
It feels like I say it every year, but my opinion on the staying or going of Donovan McNabb is this: When you have a better option, Eagles, then maybe you should think about it. Until that moment comes, however, you should probably be happy with the quarterback you have, who is better than the starting quarterbacks on most other NFL teams.
The NFL is not a league where you can succeed without a quality quarterback. With McNabb, you have someone you know is going to give you a quarterback rating of about 90, every year. That's pretty good. It's the kind of thing that allows you to, I don't know, win 10+ games a year, seven out of 10 years.
What plan do you have that could give you a non-McNabb quarterback next season who will also have a rating around 90? Is it Kevin Kolb(notes)? I guess there's an outside chance of that, but I wouldn't bet on it. It is Michael Vick(notes). Ha. No, it's not Michael Vick.
Is it someone you're going to draft? No, at least not right away. If you're willing to wait three years or so for the guy to develop into an upper-level NFL quarterback (and take the 50-50 shot that he'll turn into Rick Mirer), then hey, enjoy rebuilding. Is it someone in free agency? No, unless you like the idea of someone like Jeff Garcia(notes) or Daunte Culpepper(notes) captaining your franchise.
We don't even need to get into the discussion of how good or bad Donovan McNabb might be. There's no better option, and that's just the way it is. Your can either stick with McNabb, or rebuild and miss the playoffs for the next few years. There's no third way to go.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 14, 2010, 12:16:48 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-it-time-for-the-Eagles-to-rid-themselves-of-D?urn=nfl,213341 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-it-time-for-the-Eagles-to-rid-themselves-of-D?urn=nfl,213341)
Quote
Is it time for the Eagles to rid themselves of Donovan McNabb?
I don't believe so, but you know what it is time for? Large groups of fans in Philadelphia to lose their minds, blame every Eagles failing on Donovan McNabb(notes), and call for him to be replaced, banished and beaten.
It feels a little different this year, because all of the discussion is moot -- head coach Andy Reid will be back, and he's already said that he wants McNabb back with him. It's a done deal. Of course, none of this stops all the discussing, shouting and complaining.
It feels like I say it every year, but my opinion on the staying or going of Donovan McNabb is this: When you have a better option, Eagles, then maybe you should think about it. Until that moment comes, however, you should probably be happy with the quarterback you have, who is better than the starting quarterbacks on most other NFL teams.
The NFL is not a league where you can succeed without a quality quarterback. With McNabb, you have someone you know is going to give you a quarterback rating of about 90, every year. That's pretty good. It's the kind of thing that allows you to, I don't know, win 10+ games a year, seven out of 10 years.
What plan do you have that could give you a non-McNabb quarterback next season who will also have a rating around 90? Is it Kevin Kolb(notes)? I guess there's an outside chance of that, but I wouldn't bet on it. It is Michael Vick(notes). Ha. No, it's not Michael Vick.
Is it someone you're going to draft? No, at least not right away. If you're willing to wait three years or so for the guy to develop into an upper-level NFL quarterback (and take the 50-50 shot that he'll turn into Rick Mirer), then hey, enjoy rebuilding. Is it someone in free agency? No, unless you like the idea of someone like Jeff Garcia(notes) or Daunte Culpepper(notes) captaining your franchise.
We don't even need to get into the discussion of how good or bad Donovan McNabb might be. There's no better option, and that's just the way it is. Your can either stick with McNabb, or rebuild and miss the playoffs for the next few years. There's no third way to go.
Whoever wrote this is a farging moron. What did you expect Reid to say? "Yeah, I think we'll be shopping McNabb, let you know how that works out after I get off the phone with a few teams"? And there's no reason to speculate on who the Eagles would replace him with. Daunte Culpepper or Jeff Garcia? The replacement is already on the roster. Whether Kolb works or not is yet to be seen. We may not know what Kolb is, but as DMF said, we know what McNabb isn't. After 10 seasons, that's good enough for me.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 13, 2010, 10:13:37 PM
QuoteYour post about Cunningham was spot on.
i know it was. otherwise i wouldn't have said it. not sure how you can be in agreement with me though since you were like 4 the last time randall even suited up for the eagles, much less when he was in his prime with them. watching old game tape in the rape basement, are we?
QuoteSo is mine.
your post was anything but spot on, especially this part:
Quote from: Munson on January 13, 2010, 06:20:17 PM
It's the hate filled fools on here that want to blame everything on him that think him being gone will somehow turn Reid into a super bowl winning coach.
i have not seen a single person here say that they think reid is going to win a super bowl without mcnabb. if such a post does exist, please direct me to the author so i can skullfarg him/her.
Quote
I can promise you that won't be with Kevin Kolb throwing 65% of the time. If they get lucky and land a better QB, or if Reid balances out the play calling, then maybe.
so what you're saying is that with a better qb and more balanced playcalling, the eagles might win a super bowl. thanks for the insiders info, sport.
Cunningham pretty much takes up most of my first memories of the Eagles.
Everyone here seems to think that getting rid of McNabb=getting better, either next year or in the next couple of years. Now I would hope that getting better=getting a Super Bowl, otherwise what's the point of getting rid of McNabb? Because...
As stated, Kolb aint winning in this offense as is right now and unless they have a plan in place to get a better QB...Reid's not winning a Super Bowl.
You either overhaul the play calling with McNabb, overhaul the play calling with Kolb, or keep it as is and get a guy who has pinpoint accuracy and cool under pressure/can move around in the pocket. McNabb's got that 3rd intangible, that's about it.
Quote from: JackStraw on January 13, 2010, 03:39:12 PM
Would a couple or three seasons of close but no cigar be OK using Cobbsy? For me yep, as I'm at the point where that is preferable to stasis. I believe a new QB will force a change to ReidCos game plan. To me this is what is needed. Reid ain't going nowhere. Losing McNabb brings some trepidation, but it needs to be done and the cowpuke ass raping brings it sooner IMO.
game plan isnt getting changed with cobb...new orleans he threw the ball over 50 times and yes they were getting blown out the whole day but even in the kc game when they were doing the blowing out he still threw it well over 30 times
thus the real question becomes how good can cobb be...the built in advantage here is his skill set is much more in sync with running a west coast offense...mcnabb has very few of the tools to run what reid wants to do...cobb has them all we just dont know if he can apply them in the nfl
what we do know is mcnabb is beat...he has shown for 11 years he cant do it whether it be his physical tools (inaccurate - cant get rid of the ball - big game failure) or his mental ones (pouty - blames everyone but himself - hates the fans - not a leader) the fact is he clearly isnt the answer
if the eagles had no one in the pipeline and we were all scouring the potential FA quarterback lists and the options were tavaris jackson jake delhomme and jt o'sullivan it would be a different directive here..bring mcnabb back....but that isnt even close to what is happening here
the eagles have a young qb they drafted with a high pick who has been in the system for three years now is entering his contract year who sits behind a old struggling on his way down veteran qb....there is no more of a perfect storm than right now for cobb to be given the mantle
re-do his contract into a new three or four year deal that has massive incentives if he becomes a bonafied nfl starter...then have him come into camp as the #1 guy getting the #1 snaps and let see what we have
its not like the eagles are a superbowl contender...their defense is in complete shambles and is a unit that cant be fixed in one offseason...so really what is the point of going with mcnabb again...to try and win a fraudulant 9 - 10 -11 games again and go out in the first round or could be much worse and they implode and miss the playoffs completely...then what?
its a much better plan to see what you have with cobb and start to let him form a relationship with all these young weapons and hopefully by the time he is running a superbowl contender offense the defense will have caught up
Quote from: Munson on January 14, 2010, 04:42:42 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 13, 2010, 10:13:37 PM
QuoteYour post about Cunningham was spot on.
i know it was. otherwise i wouldn't have said it. not sure how you can be in agreement with me though since you were like 4 the last time randall even suited up for the eagles, much less when he was in his prime with them. watching old game tape in the rape basement, are we?
QuoteSo is mine.
your post was anything but spot on, especially this part:
Quote from: Munson on January 13, 2010, 06:20:17 PM
It's the hate filled fools on here that want to blame everything on him that think him being gone will somehow turn Reid into a super bowl winning coach.
i have not seen a single person here say that they think reid is going to win a super bowl without mcnabb. if such a post does exist, please direct me to the author so i can skullfarg him/her.
Quote
I can promise you that won't be with Kevin Kolb throwing 65% of the time. If they get lucky and land a better QB, or if Reid balances out the play calling, then maybe.
so what you're saying is that with a better qb and more balanced playcalling, the eagles might win a super bowl. thanks for the insiders info, sport.
Cunningham pretty much takes up most of my first memories of the Eagles.
Everyone here seems to think that getting rid of McNabb=getting better, either next year or in the next couple of years. Now I would hope that getting better=getting a Super Bowl, otherwise what's the point of getting rid of McNabb? Because...
As stated, Kolb aint winning in this offense as is right now and unless they have a plan in place to get a better QB...Reid's not winning a Super Bowl.
You either overhaul the play calling with McNabb, overhaul the play calling with Kolb, or keep it as is and get a guy who has pinpoint accuracy and cool under pressure/can move around in the pocket. McNabb's got that 3rd intangible, that's about it.
i don't think anyone around here thinks the eagles become super bowl legit without mcnabb. it doesn't matter who is the qb because with the defense they are running out of the field right now, the eagles aren't going deep in the playoffs. ever.
so rebuild the defense and let kolb (or whoever) get some exp so that in a year or 2, he's ready for the postseason.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 14, 2010, 12:55:38 AM
Quote from: NC_Eagle on January 14, 2010, 12:16:48 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-it-time-for-the-Eagles-to-rid-themselves-of-D?urn=nfl,213341 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-it-time-for-the-Eagles-to-rid-themselves-of-D?urn=nfl,213341)
Whoever wrote this is a farging moron. What did you expect Reid to say? "Yeah, I think we'll be shopping McNabb, let you know how that works out after I get off the phone with a few teams"? And there's no reason to speculate on who the Eagles would replace him with. Daunte Culpepper or Jeff Garcia? The replacement is already on the roster. Whether Kolb works or not is yet to be seen. We may not know what Kolb is, but as DMF said, we know what McNabb isn't. After 10 seasons, that's good enough for me.
Didn't mean to imply I agreed with that, just posting a relevant opinion piece. I have to agree with him though that we have a couple season of rebuilding left no matter who the QB is.
I don't think in today's NFL that any team takes a couple of seasons to rebuild. If the Eagles were to add just a legit pass rusher opposite Cole their defense would be almost completely different just from changing that aspect. I am not saying that fixes all their problems, but it would make a huge difference.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2010, 10:12:55 AM
its not like the eagles are a superbowl contender...their defense is in complete shambles and is a unit that cant be fixed in one offseason...so really what is the point of going with mcnabb again...to try and win a fraudulant 9 - 10 -11 games again and go out in the first round or could be much worse and they implode and miss the playoffs completely...then what?
what you just described is the basic formula for success in the heads of the eagles front office for over a decade. if the stars align and they somehow make the superbowl its a killer bonus
Ive come to the realization that they would rather toe that line, still gain huge amounts of revenue because of it, and make the biggest position change when its undoubtedly necessary. In our eyes, its necessary for the progression of Kolb...in their eyes they risk a commercial mess
they need at least one great linebacker....and really a minimum of two if you count bradley as having a lost season which if you go by the history of his injury he will...not sayin they need to replace bradley but if youre talking about remodeling this defense in one offseason he would need to be replaced because the best case scenario for his season would be to simply not get hurt again...him having a good year is pretty much out of the question
they need two safeties
they need one excellent defensive end...a simple upgrade wont do
the tackles are just ok and at best passable
even the corners which appeared to be the strength of the team fell apart by seasons end altho to be fair sheldon was hurt...but samuel is an overrated cancer and sheldon is in his 30's which is not good for any corner
and the overall depth on that side of the ball is atrocious so no help is coming from there
i dont see any way possible to overhaul this defense in the next six months
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2010, 12:16:25 PM
i dont see any way possible to overhaul this defense in the next six months
Well, there might be a way to do that.
(http://www.atomicarchive.com/Fission/Images/fatman.jpg)
Concerning the McNabb vs. Kolb debate for 2010:
QuoteIt has been such a pressing issue that Bodog is floating a prop bet, offering gamblers a say in the matter. If McNabb is the starter in Game One of the 2010 regular season, bettors will be paid out at 1/5, and if it is Kevin Kolb, that reward bumps up to 7/2. There are no odds on whether or not Michael Vick will be the starter.
As for Vick:
QuoteBodog has 1/1 odds that the Eagles will release him, 10/11 odds that they will trade him, and 13/4 odds that they keep him for the final year of his contract
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2010, 12:16:25 PM
they need at least one great linebacker....and really a minimum of two if you count bradley as having a lost season which if you go by the history of his injury he will...not sayin they need to replace bradley but if youre talking about remodeling this defense in one offseason he would need to be replaced because the best case scenario for his season would be to simply not get hurt again...him having a good year is pretty much out of the question
they need two safeties
they need one excellent defensive end...a simple upgrade wont do
the tackles are just ok and at best passable
even the corners which appeared to be the strength of the team fell apart by seasons end altho to be fair sheldon was hurt...but samuel is an overrated cancer and sheldon is in his 30's which is not good for any corner
and the overall depth on that side of the ball is atrocious so no help is coming from there
i dont see any way possible to overhaul this defense in the next six months
The one thing Bradley has going in his favor is that he injured himself so early last season. That may help as far as how much he can contribute. All I am saying is that if they got another stud DE opposite Cole, that would go a long way in improving their D.
A strong pass rush without blitzing would mask some of the other problems. We have all been beating the LB drum forever so I don't really expect much in that regard.
Donovan McNabb's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=McNaDo00)
Note that this list contains a lot of games in which we can't feel great about McNabb's contribution... like that awful tie against Cincinnati last year.
how misleading are some of those? like the denver game he got 2 first downs and david akers kicked a field goal. way to go.
You're right. You should follow up on that research, sneak into NFL films, and find out how many of those game winning drives were under five plays. Find out how many quarterbacks were bailed out by a turnover, how many by a penalty, and how many by awesome special teams play. Go. We'll wait.
it's mostly nonsense but there is one stat from that link that was telling. look at the number of rushes mcnabb had during each of those games. when t.o. arrived he stopped running almost completely during games despite having a serious talent for it.
Fat
Quote from: Munson on January 14, 2010, 04:42:42 AM
Cunningham pretty much takes up most of my first memories of the Eagles.
Dam you guys are young. My earliest memories are Pete Liske and John Reaves in 1972. Now that was just god awful football. Only good thing was Harold Carmichael, Ben Hawkins and Bill Bradley. The arrival of Roman Gabriel was the biggest thing until Owens got here.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 16, 2010, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 14, 2010, 04:42:42 AM
Cunningham pretty much takes up most of my first memories of the Eagles.
Dam you guys are young. My earliest memories are Pete Liske and John Reaves in 1972. Now that was just god awful football. Only good thing was Harold Carmichael, Ben Hawkins and Bill Bradley. The arrival of Roman Gabriel was the biggest thing until Owens got here.
I remember Cunningham the most, and remember the defense a little bit. My first vivid memories are 2 bad ones: Reggie leaving because God told him to, and Rich Kotite telling us the playsheet got water on it.
this is exactly what i need, a stroll down munson memory lane. fascinating.
You could just not read it or better yet kill yourself.
Quote from: KDS on January 16, 2010, 07:25:40 PM
this is exactly what i need, a stroll down munson memory lane. fascinating.
I think it all ties in, Gabriel, Cunningham, and McNabb ..... munsoned again. Loved Randall, was ok with McNabb, but a decade is long enough. Next ..... i cannot get excited about another year with DMac no matter how competent he is.
But you can get excited about Kevin Kolb.
Y'all crack me up.
no ones "excited" about kolb, but theres no reason to believe hes going to be bobby hoying.
in his 2.5 games has he been awful? no. has he been magnificent? no. we dont know what he is yet.
i keep forgetting that youre a professional scout with a keen eye for talent. youve studied his games at houston, hours of training camp footage, the preseason games, you seem know everything about football. which is nice. i envy that. congrats.
the funny thing is that over the last 2 years, most of the training camp reports i've seen on kolb have been bad. but in his 2 starts this year and even in the 2nd half against b-more last year, he did show some good qualities.
he seemed to go through his reads fairly well.
has good pocket presence.
gets rid of the ball quickly.
of course, he has locked onto a receiver a few times which has led to picks. he's also panicked in the pocket when the defense brings pressure. so does every young qb. hell, mcnabb still looks scurred sometimes when the defense blitzes.
i don't know if kolb is going to be good, bad, great or average. no one really does. however i will say that what i've seen out of him in games is encouraging. am i excited about the thought of him being the starter? no. mcnabb has been a damn good qb for this team for the last 10 years and kolb is not going to step in and instantly duplicate that. however, i think mcnabb's run in philly is done.
einstein said it best "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." reid+mcnabb = close but no cigar. that's been proven over the last decade. so the only way to reasonably expect a different result next year and beyond is to change one of the variables. either reid or mcnabb. and we know reid ain't going anywhere.
will reid + kolb = super bowl? who knows. whatever the outcome is, it's almost certain to be different than what we're getting with the current formula.
lol @ training camp reports
oooo les bowen and rich hoffman say he sucks. they are so smart they must be right
PG I don't now that anybody is excited with the prospect of Kolb as the starter. We are just sick of McNabb.
I'm sick of McNabb dropping back 40 times a game. I'd love to see him drop back 25-30 times a game like the other QB's winning in the playoffs have done.
2009 NFL Free Agents
Top Quarterbacks:
Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos (27)
Jason Campbell, Washington taterskins (28)
Chad Pennington, Miami Dolphins (34)
Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings (27)
Kellen Clemens, New York Jets (27)
Other Notable Free Agents:
Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (35)
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (29)
David Carr, New York Giants (31)
Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs (27)
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (33)
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (30)
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (31)
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (37)
Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (26) – Restricted FA
Chris Redman, Atlanta Falcons (33)
Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (25) – Exclusive Rights FA
Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (26) – Restricted FA
useless list
the only way this team does anything next year is if kolb is good. if kolb sucks it doesnt matter if they have chad pennington or me back there, they'll be a 6-10 team.
This team is a perennial piece of shtein. It shows no signs of being otherwise.
I won't start mildly giving a farg until maybe the draft. Even then I don't know who they players are that they draft. Wait...I'll give a little farg during Free Agency...and then...the morning of kickoff 2010.
Otherwise...farg this team until September.
Sarge,
One thing Kolb does not do that you mentioned was get rid of the ball quickly. He holds that damn thing forever. That can be changed with experience of knowing where to go with the ball and reading defenses, but he certainly does not have a quick release now.
Getting rid of the ball quickly and a quick release are two different things.
Forgive me, I meant he does not get rid of the ball quickly because he holds it forever.,
sounds like someone i know
I wouldn't say she holds onto them forever, but your sister does seem to favor holding the balls.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 18, 2010, 09:46:23 PM
Sarge,
One thing Kolb does not do that you mentioned was get rid of the ball quickly. He holds that damn thing forever. That can be changed with experience of knowing where to go with the ball and reading defenses, but he certainly does not have a quick release now.
was actually referring to quick release.....which he seems to have. but yeah, with more experience will come faster decisions.
I'm sure I'll get shtein for this either way...because it was already posted (if it was) or because it is too "homertastic" for the rest of you
http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing?Dont-Blame-McNabb=1&blockID=115763&feedID=3041
i'm all about moving on and letting mcnabb go but i still don't "blame" him. it's simply time for something new. i'm fine if he stays but i won't get my hopes up next year if he's still on the roster.
Lies. We all get our hopes up every year no matter who's on the roster. Liar.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 19, 2010, 02:30:34 PM
I'm sure I'll get shtein for this either way...because it was already posted (if it was) or because it is too "homertastic" for the rest of you
http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing?Dont-Blame-McNabb=1&blockID=115763&feedID=3041
QuoteThe organizational philosophy is what needs to change. And maybe soon-to-be GM Howie Roseman will help make that happen.
And maybe I'll start shteinting out unicorns, rainbows, and lollipops
shteinting unicorns could be painful
can you really trust former metro philly editors who took me on as an intern then promised me future work and blew me off 2 weeks later because he knew was done there. can you. no. you cant.
Quote from: KDS on January 19, 2010, 03:40:48 PM
can you really trust former metro philly editors who took me on as an intern then promised me future work and blew me off 2 weeks later because he knew was done there. can you. no. you cant.
they didn't hire you?
Yes, I trust them.
at the very least, i trust their judgement.
The unicorns?
no no you dumb jews
he was like ill get you back for your free work and then was like aint no thing im out and im like what the farg dude and that was it
Quote from: KDS on January 19, 2010, 03:53:50 PM
no no you dumb jews
he was like ill get you back for your free work and then was like aint no thing im out and im like what the farg dude and that was it
You sound like Eric Cartman.
He attempts to write complete sentences for a living.
the key word is attempt
back to trashing 5
rumor floatin is san frans 2nd 1st rounder (16th) for 5
do it
There is no chance anyone is giving up a first rounder for McNabb and if someone does make that offer they had better jump on it immediately. farg.
Quote from: KDS on January 19, 2010, 03:53:50 PM
no no you dumb jews
he was like ill get you back for your free work and then was like aint no thing im out and im like what the farg dude and that was it
i can't believe you haven't been hired as a professional writer yet.
I think it's cause he's black.
burp
Quote from: KDS on January 19, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
the key word is attempt
back to trashing 5
rumor floatin is san frans 2nd 1st rounder (16th) for 5
do it
Still awaiting confirmation from Truck Rathman - he might check in between bong hits.
Quote from: KDS on January 19, 2010, 03:53:50 PM
no no you dumb jews
he was like ill get you back for your free work and then was like aint no thing im out and im like what the farg dude and that was it
with stellar prose like that i can't imagine why they shined you on.
Quote from: KDS on January 19, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
the key word is attempt
back to trashing 5
rumor floatin is san frans 2nd 1st rounder (16th) for 5
do it
Where is that rumor from? If they could do that now they absolutely should.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 19, 2010, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: KDS on January 19, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
the key word is attempt
back to trashing 5
rumor floatin is san frans 2nd 1st rounder (16th) for 5
do it
Where is that rumor from? If they could do that now they absolutely should.
probably he guy who called into Mikey Miss and he was a SF fan and he said he'd trade it.
QuoteI know there is a lot of talk in Philadelphia about my future but please know one thing - when I came to Philadelphia it was to win a championship for the Eagles. Given the opportunity, I'd like to finish the job.
I'll give you the opportunity to kill yourself, fatty.
...fatty... ::)
Quote from: Rome on January 16, 2010, 01:34:50 PM
it's mostly nonsense but there is one stat from that link that was telling.
whats telling is hes only had 15 4th quarter comebacks in 128 starts
and only one in the playoffs
granted a lot of that is the fact that the eagles haven beaten up on a lot of bad teams in the mcnabb era...would be nice to see the number of fourth quarters he couldnt come back...
in the end tho when the going gets tough mcnabb generally gets going in his pants...due to the fact that he has never showed even a little urgency in his career much less an individual game...which is why he said after the dallas debacle that the eagles "had an outstanding season"....he just doesnt get it and never will...he wants to win but doesnt care if he loses
ESPN insider has #5 going to the Vikes :o
:-D
would make sense
a couple days ago they had him going to the rams.
QuoteDonovan McNabb remains convinced that he will remain an Eagle.
Furthermore, he insists that's exactly what he wants.
After practicing with the other players on the NFC roster this morning at a Fort Lauderdale High School, McNabb was surrounded by a large media gathering here to cover the Pro Bowl.
In a later one-on-one interview with the Inquirer, McNabb said he takes Eagles coach Andy Reid at his word when he says he will return next season as the team's starting quarterback.
"That's all that matters," McNabb said. "I heard it when he said it to you guys, but I heard it before anyway. I think a lot of people look too far into things with all the assumptions about what could happen. (Reid) told everybody I'm going to be there and I'm his guy. I don't see anything that anybody else should look into."
McNabb also said he wants to be in Philadelphia even though he's about to endure another offseason debate about whether or not he should remain the Eagles' quarterback. He said that doesn't bother him in the least.
"It really doesn't," McNabb said. "What's wild about it is when you go somewhere, that's what everybody brings up: 'Hey, man, where you going to be?' "
McNabb said his answer is always the same: "Uh, Philly."
"It would only affect you if you allow it to," McNabb said. "This isn't my first go-around with it. I've been going through this the last three or four years."
Unlike a year ago after the season ended, McNabb is not lobbying for a contract extension or alteration even though he's about to enter the last year of his current deal.
"I don't think we should really focus on that," McNabb said. "I love playing the game and that's what it comes down to. I am under contract for another year. We don't know what's going to happen in 2011. We just don't know. If I have to come back and play (in Philadelphia), hey that's great. I would love to. I love this team and I love being around these guys and competing. I think good things could happen for us."
McNabb insisted that he has never given much thought to playing elsewhere.
"No," he said. "I let other people think about that. For me, the grass being greener is really what field you're playing on. When you're in Philadelphia, obviously, there are ups and there are downs. I've been a part of it for 11 years, so I don't let it affect me."
Even though the Eagles' season ended with consecutive lopsided losses to the Dallas Cowboys, McNabb believes this team could still be a Super Bowl contender in 2010.
"We're not far away at all," McNabb said. "We went on a six-game winning streak, we made good things happen with an explosive offense, the defense came around, everybody started playing well and then those two games hit, which was unfortuate. But it happens. It happened to us against the Cowboys, it happened to the Cowboys against Minnesota and to Minnesota against the Saints."
You can read more about McNabb and the other Eagles at the Pro Bowl in tomorrow's Inquirer.
ugh
i think one of the main factors in people thinking that he's going to be moved is that he was going to demand an extension and their refusal would lead him to demand to be traded. but if he's not going to demand an extension like he says in that piece, then it really becomes simple for the eagles to trade Vick, draft a qb late in the draft to develop, and play with McNabb this year and let him go after the year and move onto Kolb.
i would agree with that if kolb wasnt going into the last year of his deal....that throws a monkey wrench into everything
or they could get something for mcnabb, play kolb, see if hes any good and extend him if he is and let him go if hes not.
at that point, you start over from scratch and hope to get jacory harris or someone.
i cant see anyway they let go of mcnabb and dont extend cobb
if they extend kolb he better damn well be good
im not sold on it but im willing to roll the dice and see what hes got. if he proves himself in about a handful of games, then yea, pay the man. $ should not even be an option for a team this wealthy and this far under whatever the farg the cap is (if there is even one), but then again, we know thats not how the eagles do business.
trading mcnabb is a no brainer. extending kolb could be disastrous if he turns out to be bobby hoying which is possible.
i was 100% anti cobb before he played this year...like you im still not sold but im willing to defer to andy now...they know a lot more about cobb than we do...if they dont think hes good they wont do it...at the same time even if they believe in him its not like hes gonna get big time money...hell get a nice bump to lower level starter cash and then if he outplays that he will get a phat re do of his deal
well lets say this
if they extend kolb and he is middling to below average, will that hinder them from trying to get one of the best qbs on the board in the 2011 draft? like if hes at best chad pennington or brian griese to name a few middle of the barrel qbs. if you have the 00 ravens defense you can win with those guys and i think we all know that andy reid is never going to even attempt to have that.
given how cheap the eagles are and given how they just named a jew accountant the gm i get the feeling for better or for worse an extension of kolb = hes the guy no matter what.
Viva la McNabb!
Quote from: KDS on January 27, 2010, 04:49:37 PM
if they extend kolb and he is middling to below average, will that hinder them from trying to get one of the best qbs on the board in the 2011 draft? like if hes at best chad pennington or brian griese to name a few middle of the barrel qbs. if you have the 00 ravens defense you can win with those guys and i think we all know that andy reid is never going to even attempt to have that.
this whole paragraph is basically imcomprehensible to me and i dont really have any idea how to respond
i have written thousands of moronic things on this board but that actually makes sense...i think.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2010, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: KDS on January 27, 2010, 04:49:37 PM
if they extend kolb and he is middling to below average, will that hinder them from trying to get one of the best qbs on the board in the 2011 draft? like if hes at best chad pennington or brian griese to name a few middle of the barrel qbs. if you have the 00 ravens defense you can win with those guys and i think we all know that andy reid is never going to even attempt to have that.
this whole paragraph is basically imcomprehensible to me and i dont really have any idea how to respond
After reading that...I'm pretty much convinced its a magic jewish spell of some kind.
sloooooowly stare at he spinning dradle...........POOF! youre a heeb
we dont recruit people to our cult like some people.
Does your penis automatically become circumcized if you sport a hood once you become jewish?
Quote from: hbionic on January 27, 2010, 05:06:09 PM
Does your penis automatically become circumcized if you sport a hood once you become jewish?
You get an instant visit from Mohels on Wheels
(http://enrico.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451af4b69e20120a860be8f970b-pi)
wolfpack
That has to be an old, old pic, right?
wtf is that behind them
looks like jaws from moonraker daughter
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 05, 2010, 03:18:50 PM
looks like jaws from moonraker daughter
Hard to tell but she might be related to Jaws from Jaws too.
It's probably an Eagles function, so my money is on Jaws from the Eagles.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100206_Hopkins__haymaker_opinions_on_McNabb.html
when the greatest athlete in philly sports history basically calls you a bitch you know it's time to move on.
Is there anyone he hasn't called a bitch?
everything b hop says is correct but his act is older than mcnabbs and its really annoying after five years of shtein talking
if you ever diss bernard again bernard will hunt you down and do what bernard does best, stillupfront's mom.
What's that? Get old?
Bitch about McNabb?
bob lange is a fleshpop
Bernard Hopkins wants attention and the only way he gets it is by ripping McNabb. People like to hear other people rip McNabb. Way to stay relevant, BHop...because your performance in the ring doesn't garner any worthwhile attention.
Greatest Philly athlete? lol.
i dont personally believe he is because i dont put boxers in with the four major sports but its definitely not lol worthy and anyone who says he is has a strong case
Chase Utley is pretty clearly the best player this city has ever seen.
JRoll is better because he's blacker. And it's a basketball town.
Dr. J
wilt x one million + 20,000 better than jay
Wilt or Reggie White probably.
Mickey Morandini
chase isn't even the best baseball player ever in the city
Dr. J was in one the best video game ever for the Apple II E
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2010, 12:55:47 PM
chase isn't even the best baseball player ever in the city
Not yet but when all is said and done he'll definitely be up there.
And if Howard cuts down on the strike outs he'll be up there too.
JRoll is already up there.
I jizz in my pants everytime I think about how good the Phillies are right now. Than I promptly lose my boner when I think about them trading away Cliff Lee.
Mike Schmidt is one of the greatest baseball players in the history of the game, there's nobody on this team that will ever surpass him. moron.
i've been wondering how long it would take before someone finally started making any sense.
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2010, 08:39:05 PM
Mike Schmidt is one of the greatest baseball players in the history of the game, there's nobody on this team that will ever surpass him. moron.
Mike Schmidt is an icehole, so that knocks him down a peg. Pelle Lindbergh, Steve Carlton, Wilt, Reggie, Randall all come way ahead of BHop in my opinion.
lol at pelle lindbergh...dude played for 15 minutes and he's ahead of Bhop for greatest philly athlete?
he was the first to rock the goalie mask, right? clearly that's a testament to his athletic superiority.
btw....schmidt is an ass from almost all accounts, but still doesn't make any of his 548 homers any less awesome.
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2010, 08:59:26 PM
lol at pelle lindbergh...dude played for 15 minutes and he's ahead of Bhop for greatest philly athlete?
In terms of accomplishments on the field, not ahead of BHop, in terms of being a Philly sports legend and being revered by the fanbase, absolutely.
Lol @ carlton
He's not a crazy racist or nothing
Ricky Jordan > Bernard Hopkins
has any phillie since jordan homered in their first ml at bat?
Hmmmmm...good question, Sarge.
I would think yeah...PAGING BIG ED, PAGING BIG ED!!
Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2010, 08:39:05 PM
Mike Schmidt is one of the greatest baseball players in the history of the game, there's nobody on this team that will ever surpass him. moron.
You do realize that Chase Utley is already talked about like he's one of the best ever? Never on here obviously because he's not black, but all the talking heads on ESPN/Fox/whathaveyou. Not that they're the smartest guys in the world, but I'll take a former MLB players opinion on another MLB baseball player over anyone here.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 07, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
has any phillie since jordan homered in their first ml at bat?
I know Mayberry Jr. did it in his first game this past year, but I don't remember if it was his first or 2nd at bat.
Bhop is the man, its a debate but he is without a doubt top 5 all time in philly
Quote from: Munson on February 07, 2010, 09:55:52 PM
You do realize that Chase Utley is already talked about like he's one of the best ever? Never on here obviously because he's not black, but all the talking heads on ESPN/Fox/whathaveyou. Not that they're the smartest guys in the world, but I'll take a former MLB players opinion on another MLB baseball player over anyone here.
lol...WHAT??
i have never heard anybody refer to Chase Utley as one of the greatest players ever. Maybe he can be the best second basemen ever, but that's even a huge stretch.
how you think Chase Utely is a better Philly athlete than Mike Schmidt is farging mind numbing. i know you're like 17 and you have no clue about the history of the city's teams prior to your mom getting raped by your grandad and having you...but still, have some sense of history about your teams so you don't sound like such a flapping douchebag.
I literally had no idea that douchebags could flap. You learn something new every day.
QuoteMaybe he can be the best second basemen ever, but that's even a huge stretch.
not a huge stretch at all
Rogers Hornsby says hi
.358 avg, 301 hr, 1584 rbis, 135 steals, 1579 r, .434 obp, .577 slg, 2930 hits, 4712 tb
munson going next level with his ignorance in these last couple pages...something i didnt think possible
and one big huge lol at pelle lindberg (who i farging love) being a better philly athlete than bhop....pelle isnt even better than hextall
how bout you come over here and suck my rogers horsnby sunny mo
granted theres lots i havent seen but i cant imagine there will ever be a better second baseman than roberto alomar...he was so farging nasty
Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2010, 10:09:47 AM
Rogers Hornsby says hi
.358 avg, 301 hr, 1584 rbis, 135 steals, 1579 r, .434 obp, .577 slg, 2930 hits, 4712 tb
you dont have wave hi to me...Im just rebutting your claim that its the hugest stretch in the world
I dont really care that much either way, but the guy is 31 with a lot of years left, hes second all time amongst 2nd baseman in on-base
plus slugging%, #1 in consec seasons with 30+ homers and 4th in both categories of consecutive seasons with .500+ slugging% and at bats per rbi
with a lot of years left playing, barring any crazy injuries he could very well be called the best 2nd baseman...arguably of course..but lets not forget that hornsby started banging shtein out when he was 19-20 yrs old and utley didnt get his first real season until he was like 25
Dutch Daulton
i might be forgetting one or two but heres my top ten
1. wilt
2. reggie
3. j
4. schmidt
5. lefty
6. clarkie
7. AI
8. bernie
9. double X
10. b hop
and dont sleep on lionel simmons...3rd all time in cbb scoring history...thats farging huge
lol @ wilt being number 1
doesnt a philly lifer that you actually saw play have to top the list? dood is better known for farging and for playing in LA than playing for overbrook and in philly
we arent talking about our favorite players or who is known for what we are talking about the best athletes to play in philadelphia
and youre beyond awful for lol'ing at wilt farging chamberlain
lol at loling at 30.1 ppg and 22.9 rebounds per game, and 4.4 assists for a farging career.
well in that case where does kobe bryants 4 years at lower merion rank
or mike timlins half a season with the phils
dont be a jerk.....jerk
Shouldn't Dr. J get a shout out?
And it's pretty obvious KDS doesn't know much about Wilt the Stilt if he says he's better known for farging then playing b-ball. Get a book man. There are plenty of 'em.
7 years philly, 5 LA, 2 SF
Philly athlete
Quote from: reese125 on February 08, 2010, 09:22:31 AM
QuoteMaybe he can be the best second basemen ever, but that's even a huge stretch.
not a huge stretch at all
best hitting 2nd basemen ever, very possible.
best defenseive 2nd basemen ever, very unlikely.
Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2010, 01:17:24 PM
7 years philly, 5 LA, 2 SF
Philly athlete
plus he was at his best in philly...he was not even close to the same player once he left for LA
I'd have to say:
Reggie
Schmidt
Randall
Dr. J
Chamberlian
after that there are loads of 'em you can lump together. Moses Malone, Allen Iverson, and what about Pete Rose? He was a Red but played and coached in Philly. Hittenest sumbitch ever.
I would say:
Juan Samuel
Keith Van Horn
Bake McBride
Garth Snow
Gizmo Williams
Oh shtein I forgot Curt Flood.
Wilt
Reggie
Schmidt
Dr. J
Carlton
reggie
1. packers
2. jesus
3. eagles
Quote from: shorebird on February 08, 2010, 01:22:30 PM
and what about Pete Rose? He was a Red but played and coached in Philly. Hittenest sumbitch ever.
i've never considered rose a philly guy even though he was basically the missing piece of the championship puzzle and helped finally deliver the city's first world series. but he only played here, what 4 or 5 years and was with the reds for damn near 2 decades. he holds a very special place in the heart of most phillies fans but he's a red, no doubt about it.
top 10 philly athletes of all time (in no particular order.)
schmidt
dr j
reggie
robin roberts
iverson
wilt
dawk (shame on all of you for leaving him out)
chris short - was a dominating pitcher in an era of dominating pitchers.
richie ashburn
concrete charlie
i left hockey players off because i don't watch hockey although my limited knowledge of the flyers tells me that guys like clarke, hextall and brind'amour could all be in the list somewhere.
i also left hopkins off the list because even though he's from philly and is announced as such before fights, to me, boxers aren't really representing their home town in the same manner that sports teams do. and when a boxer wins a championship, it's not really considered a championship "for the city" that he's from.
of course, in order to really produce a list of philly's goats, there should be some guidelines. are we talking strictly about production on the field or players who were not only great, but who fans strongly related to? because if it's the latter then a guy like schmidt wouldn't make the list because he doesn't really have a "philly personality" but a guy like duce staley would probably crack a lot of top 10's because of his attitude, hard nosed style of play and work ethic, coupled with the fact that he was a mid-round draft pick who exceeded most expectations.
My top 10 Philly Athletes:
1. Who
2. Gives A
3. farg
4. About
5. Phil
6. Adelphia's
7. Anything
8. Including
9. Their
10. Athletes
--------------------
11. Your moms!
wilts scoring and rebound averages in his philly years
37 & 27
38 & 27
50 & 25
34 & 22
33 & 24
24 & 24
24 & 23
Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2010, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: Munson on February 07, 2010, 09:55:52 PM
You do realize that Chase Utley is already talked about like he's one of the best ever? Never on here obviously because he's not black, but all the talking heads on ESPN/Fox/whathaveyou. Not that they're the smartest guys in the world, but I'll take a former MLB players opinion on another MLB baseball player over anyone here.
lol...WHAT??
i have never heard anybody refer to Chase Utley as one of the greatest players ever. Maybe he can be the best second basemen ever, but that's even a huge stretch.
how you think Chase Utely is a better Philly athlete than Mike Schmidt is farging mind numbing. i know you're like 17 and you have no clue about the history of the city's teams prior to your mom getting raped by your grandad and having you...but still, have some sense of history about your teams so you don't sound like such a flapping douchebag.
I didn't say he was one now. I say a lot of talking heads that talk about him say he is getting there. And I agree that I think both him and Howard will be up there by the time their careers are over (if Howard stays in Philly that is)
But I enjoy you putting words in my mouth. RIF.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 08, 2010, 01:25:31 PM
Oh shtein I forgot Curt Flood.
No....you forgot Todd McCullough.
not only did mccullough play on a conf champion 76ers team but he's also a world ranked pinball player. if that's not goat material, then i don't know what is.
talking heads talk
Yeah, but where's Grits Utley on the Philly Top 10 Gitty Players List?!
4 pages of this? really??
i was drunk when i posted that. not munson drunk... just normal.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 08, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
Yeah, but where's Grits Utley on the Philly Top 10 Gitty Players List?!
1. andy harmon
2. GRIT
3. dave hollins
4. scottie brooks
5. britt hager
best part about this thread is mcnabb hasnt been mentioned once in almost 5 pages...and rightfully so
Broncos.
I've never bought an Eagles jersey, but I've thought if I did it would be an Andy Harmon. One of the most under rated Eagles, maybe my favorite.
He wasn't underrated...he was overrated and gritty because he was white and didn't have swagger. Like Utley.
Not under rated. Most sacks by any Eagles DT ever. Not gritty, a DT getting double digit sacks playing with his hand in a cast.
Were you born when he was drafted, Munson? You never even saw him play.
It was a joke man. Yes I remember Harmon, mostly in the last few injured a lot years.
I was referring more to a player not being able to be considered the GOAT here unless he's black and has swagger.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 08, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
Yeah, but where's Grits Utley on the Philly Top 10 Gitty Players List?!
1. andy harmon
2. GRIT
3. dave hollins
4. scottie brooks
5. britt hager
No soul on the grit list?
Racist.
Screamin' A...on point!
QuoteStephen A. Smith: Where's the love for No. 5?
POSTED: February 11, 2010
Inquirer Sports Columnist
As we scroll through the Eagles' history, one excruciating season after another, there is a common thread at the end of every campaign: A loss in a divisional playoff game. Losses in three consecutive NFC championship games. A loss in Super Bowl XXXIX. A loss in another divisional playoff game. Another conference-title game loss. A loss in the wild-card round. And nearly all of them came with Donovan McNabb at the helm.
No surprise there, of course. Philadelphia wouldn't be Philadelphia without McNabb to blame for all that plagues this team, which is something he accepts with as much ease as he accepts all those trade rumors. The thing is, while this city is so quick to blame McNabb, so willing to part ways with a quarterback good enough to tease it into championship relevancy, the one thing that hasn't been said enough is that McNabb did not miss those chances at Super Bowl glory all by himself.
Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb are joined at the shoulder. Love one, love the other; dispose of one, dispose of the other.
Andy Reid was right there by his side.
And that's the way it should stay.
If, indeed, this city, these fans and the Eagles' organization are idiotic enough to get rid of McNabb, fine. But don't forget to ship the head coach right out of town with him.
Insanity has clearly gripped this city. Maybe the Phillies are to blame. After all, they do have a World Series championship in this millennium, with two straight Series appearances. Perhaps Eagles fans have said, "Hey, Phillies fans don't have to wait anymore. So what the heck is going on with this football team?"
The thing is, that question can't be asked of McNabb without it being asked of the terse-speaking coach (through news conferences, anyway) who arrived in 1999 and became the head of football operations in 2001 - and still doesn't have a Super Bowl championship on his resume in 11 seasons.
So why have there been rumors about McNabb being traded?
Who's the guy who picked those players at wideout since Terrell Owens departed in 2006? Who's the guy who has failed to find a durable runner, especially for all those times when Brian Westbrook has been injured? Wasn't it McNabb who passed for 3,553 yards in 14 games this season, guiding the Eagles to yet another playoff appearance?
We keep hearing that Reid has declared McNabb "the quarterback of this team." Forgive me for saying this, but where's the love for McNabb from everyone else? Particularly the kind of love constantly expressed for Reid?
Reid received a four-year contract extension this season. At the time, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said, "It was inevitable. There's no point waiting" to award the extension. "I've always valued stability."
With Reid, that is.
With McNabb, the emphasis is placed on winning, evidently. But how can you have one without the other?
Reid is 108-67 since arriving in Philadelphia. Lurie is absolutely right: His coach has brought stability to a franchise that had lacked it for quite some time. The Eagles always have heart. Most of the time, they're competitive. And for my money, Reid should stay - as long as no one has a problem with McNabb staying, either.
But if you're going to have a problem with McNabb - who has played with a grand total of two big-time receivers (Owens and DeSean Jackson) in his career - you had better have a problem with Reid.
Just like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and now Drew Brees have captured titles that McNabb has not, the same could be said for Tony Dungy, Bill Belichick, and Sean Payton regarding Reid.
"It's crazy to be talking about Donovan being in another uniform," Eagles tight end Brent Celek said during Super Bowl week. "Donovan has done so much for our franchise. He is our franchise. I've got faith in all of my teammates. Especially Kevin Kolb, because I know he's going to be a special player someday. But nothing can take away from what Donovan has accomplished for our franchise."
McNabb, for all his flaws, is still one of the best quarterbacks in the game. He's still a playmaker, someone opposing defenses have to plan to stop. Let Celek say what he will about Kolb's potential. But talk to me once Kolb becomes a No. 1 option someday.
Maybe I'll care.
Until then, until Kolb shows a pulse compared with McNabb, perhaps we can put to rest all of these rumors about McNabb's ending up in Arizona, Cleveland, Denver, or possibly Minnesota, in the event that Brett Favre decides to spare us a little drama and finally retire.
If not, then maybe it's better for McNabb to hop on the next flight out of town. As long as he takes Reid, his partner in crime, with him.
Fair is fair.
why did he have to come back
the article doesnt make any sense. reid got a 3 year extension. mcnabb has 1 year left on his deal.
everyone wanted to run andy out of town but once he got the extension that call became pointless. hes here for 3 years. mcnabb doesnt have that security. they have a qb who might or might not be good waiting in the wings.
while the two are joint at the hip in many cases, in this instance, it doesnt compute.
but phreak thanks for trying. donnys shaft needs it.
mcnabb got virtually no blame and pretty much a free pass until well after the superbowl year...yeah he got hit hard for puking but he still wasnt being blamed for the teams overall inability to finish seasons
it really wasnt until the garcia year where people started to get on mcnabb....before that it was almost universally andy who got murdered....so basically mcnabb had a free pass for 8 years...and even today mcnabb wouldnt be that disliked if not for his unbelievably awful personality and completely ignorant quotes to the media
i know personally for me my dislike for him was planted in the spring of 2004 after they traded for TO and mcnabb did that stand up comedy tour thru the media with owens...still i thought they would beat the patriots that year but mcnabb showed something internally during that offseason that just didnt sit right...and since then that seed has blossomed into a great big flowery tree of douche...this wasnt something that was there from the beginning or something that poped up overnight...it happened thru some epic on and off the field failures thruout the years
the bottom line is if sas wants to find the love for mcnabb all he has to do is go back to the years 1999-2006...but i can sorta see him not knowing that since he wasnt in philadelphia during that time
GCobb says the team offered Kolb a contract extension
Shocking.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 12, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
GCobb says the team offered Kolb a contract extension
they need to regardless of whether mcnabb is back for 2010 or beyond. having not been a fan pretty much since the minute they drafted him, i liked what i saw in his 2 starts last year (and up until the pick 6 against bodymore, he was moving the ball against them) so i've changed my tune a little. i don't know if he's the qb of the future or not but if nothing else, he's earned a shot at the job and has shown that he might be able to play in the nfl.
Quote from: reese125 on February 09, 2010, 11:21:29 AM
best part about this thread is mcnabb hasnt been mentioned once in almost 5 pages...and rightfully so
until you just did.
just sayin'
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 12, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
GCobb says the team offered Kolb a contract extension
If he gets an extension doesn't that mean you have to get rid of McNabb? No way both get one, not that Kolb would do one unless he thought he was going to start.
if there's anyone who has coddled the combined sacks of reid and mcnabb as much as eskin it's screamin' a bizel.
zero crediabilty.
That is certainly true, but it would make for an interesting scenario.
If McNabb goes, and Vick stays, is there anyone here who thinks that Kolb will bet Vick out for the starting job? Not me.
Quote from: shorebird on February 12, 2010, 02:18:50 PM
If McNabb goes, and Vick stays, is there anyone here who thinks that Kolb will bet Vick out for the starting job? Not me.
i think in a one on one competition, kolb could probably out play vick. but if vick is on the team this year and there's no mcnabb, i wouldn't be the least surprised if the eagles run vick out there as the #1 with the hope that he plays well enough to get them a higher draft pick for 2011, not because he's the better qb.
No way Kolb is Reid's boy.
mcnabb is reid's boy too. didn't stop reid from benching him in 08.
thats different than giving the job to vick if hes outplayed by cobb
if mcnabb is gone i cant see any scenario short of a complete shteinting of the bed in training camp that cobb isnt the opening game starter
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Kolb_report_100_percent_false.html
(http://www.nestofdeath.com/philadelphia/Photo/celebrity/G%20Cobb.jpg)
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2010, 09:38:46 AM
mcnabb got virtually no blame and pretty much a free pass until well after the superbowl year... and the a bunch of crap
Uh, you serious Clark?
yeah...you dont live in philly so you have no clue as to the atmosphere...but ask people from here and they will tell you andy was the villian long before donnie was...like i said the garcia year was the tipping point
weith sd gone im in philly more than anyone on this board except maybe the lil guy
ha..youre a trip man
this might hold water 20 years ago before the internet. but these days anyone with a computer has the ability to get a feel for what's going on anywhere, anytime.
sorry igs, but not only are you no more in tune with philly than anyone else around here but your opinion is about as off the mark as you can get. mcnabb's never been fully embraced by the city since early in his career (and i'm excluding the draft because those knuckleheads don't count). there's been a solid anti-mcnabb camp almost as long as mcnabb's been an eagle. 99-01 he might have gotten a free pass based on the fact that he was still so young and the eagles improved tremendously in a short period of time. but i remember all the "trade mcnabb" talk after losing to the bucs and panthers in the nfccg. maybe the the super bowl loss along with garcia's success really catapulted it into the lime light, but it was there long before 2007.
there arent words to describe how wrong that post is
again unless youre in the city on a regular basis and getting the vibe you really dont know whats going on
lol @ thinking a computer gives you that..typical y2k thinking
you gotta be on the ground son...i cant tell you whats going on in afghanistan or seattle...or wherever the hell you people live simply because i have a computer
And again, you don't live in Philly. So maybe, just this once, you can stop being stupid.
and again im in philly more in a month than you are in a year
:-D
God you need to die on the next train ride up to Philly to get in touch with everyone's thoughts on McNabb and exactly what year they decided they hated him.
its true to an extent
you can get the vibe of a town through intaking talk radio, newspapers, boards and talkin shop with guys at a bar. even a glance from someone in passing can add to it.
but in or out of philly with the internet you can pretty much get whats going on. its just that you miss actual interactions with actual people. which does count for a lot.
as for the mcnabb thing, the camp really picked up steam after the super bowl loss and was in full tilt after garcia. he got free passes up until then cause the hate was all focused on andy and the crappy wide outs.
Oh no doubt that it definitely didn't pick up until after Garcia. But it was definitely there, and noticeably so, as far back as 2003.
Andy Reid got more of the blame, and rightfully so. His 65% pass calling still deserves it.
I hate all of you.
i cant believe people dont remember all the years of the people saying the eagles have no wr's....andys horrible clock management and being pass happy...ricky manning dominating pinky...blaine bishop and levon kirkland vs joe jurevicious...sheldon brown being hurt vs the rams
now im not saying some or all of those things arent valid...but the point is that for the first 7-8 years of his career mcnabb got off virtually untouched by the fans and media
While that is true, there was also an underlying anti-McNabb sentiment for almost as long as he has been here. The SB loss and Garcia just put it in the forefront.
very few players have 100% support...but mcnabb was treated better and given more passes than almost any non championship winning big time athlete in philly sports history...shtein you have people like mike schmidt who won a title and were villified
and people still give him a pass
3 more years. right, phreak?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2010, 01:40:38 AM
there arent words to describe how wrong that post is
again unless youre in the city on a regular basis and getting the vibe you really dont know whats going on
lol @ thinking a computer gives you that..typical y2k thinking
you gotta be on the ground son...i cant tell you whats going on in afghanistan or seattle...or wherever the hell you people live simply because i have a computer
lol. it ain't just the computer dook, although that does make it pretty simple to gather info. here's a question for you......why do you think most people on this board are eagles fans? because with a few exceptions, we're all from in/around philly. which means that there's a good farging possibility that a lot of us still have friends and family back there. walking up and down broad street for an hour does not put you in tune with the collective thoughts of several million people. and if it does then you've got some super human osmosis ability.
lol @ you for thinking that you are the only real source for getting the "philly vibe" around here. christ dude, you've just taken your ignorance and arrogance to unprecedented levels.
Of course we remember the "no WRs! Give him some help! Protect him! Run the ball!" rants. They were (and are) still valid. Which falls on Reid.
But sadly, Donovan has always had a lot of people against him because of his color. I can't remember the amount of people who I've heard say "they need a white QB".
Getting rid of him would be stupid.
He has had 11 years to prove people wrong, he hasn't. It is time to move on, its not stupid. He has shown time and again that he comes up small in big situations. This is coming from someone that has been one of his staunchest supporters.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 13, 2010, 02:43:02 PM
He has had 11 years to prove people wrong, he hasn't. It is time to move on, its not stupid. He has shown time and again that he comes up small in big situations. This is coming from someone that has been one of his staunchest supporters.
you and me both. i'll always be a mcnabb fan but i've come to the conclusion that it's just not going to happen with him and the eagles. if he's back in 2010 or 2011 or beyond, fine. i'll still root for him and all that but i seriously doubt i'll ever feel good about the birds chances of winning it all with him under center. of course, the same goes for reid too.
It's cool, I don't mind being all alone in the 5 corner. I maintain that you do not give up on a proven player who is still in his prime. He will win a SB with the Eagles, provided they keep him around.
Quote from: KDS on February 12, 2010, 06:39:53 PM
(http://www.nestofdeath.com/philadelphia/Photo/celebrity/G%20Cobb.jpg)
QuoteSource of Kolb contract story stands by report
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2010 1:46 PM ET
Garry Cobb stirred up a storm of something other than snow on Friday with a report that the Eagles have commenced contract talks with backup quarterback Kevin Kolb.
The team denied the report, and a source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to us that no talks between the Eagles and Kolb are occurring or have occurred.
But Cobb stands by his Kolb report. "Everybody and their brother is out denying the story but I stand by it," Cobb writes. "I am not going to get into a back and forth with anybody about the story. I stand by it now and will continue to stand by it."
It's not a bad strategy, given the reality that the Eagles are likely to talk contract with Kolb at some point. And then Cobb can claim that he was right all along.
(We've considered applying a similar approach when Terry Bradshaw heads to that Great Football Field and/or Divorce Court in the Sky. We realize, however, that this would be inappropriate. For the record, we've yet to make a final decision.)
There's only one potential benefit to doing a deal with Kolb now. If the Eagles secretly plan to move starter Donovan McNabb, Kolb would move to the top of the depth chart. So if they could lock up Kolb now, Kolb would have less leverage than he would after McNabb is gone.
Surely, Kolb and his agent, Jeff Nalley, are smart enough to factor that possibility into any contract talks, if contract talks were occurring. And they aren't.
But they eventually will -- and once they're concluded Cobb will be able to say he was right all along.
There is no way to know who is telling the truth here. The Eagles aren't going to say anything unless they actually trade McNabb or extend Kolb. If they really are going to trade McNabb they aren't going to just put it out there, why would they? All that would do is drive down the asking price.
i dont think it takes a brain surgeon to know that they are obviously talking contract with cobb...i mean duh hes going into the last year of his contract...but nowhere does it say they will come to an agreement with him
just because they are talking deal doesnt mean cobb will accept one.. if it doesnt mean he at minimum is given a fair shot at the starting job and therefore starter money maybe he says farg off
and maybe the deal the eagles are tossing out there is one for low money and high incentives...in other words one that says cobb will be mcnabbs backup for another year or two and then he gets the #1 job with incentives that can cake off the contract
to me gcobb is not saying much here and the whole thing is being blown out of proportion
My favorite thing about this board is watching IGY try to convince people that he is in touch with Philly on a personal level, in ways that others are not, despite the fact that he doesn't live there. It gets even better when he ridicules others for doing the EXACT same thing. "You don't even live in Philly! You don't know it like I do." It's some sort of bizarre personality tick that he can't seem to control.
That he actually believes it makes it all the more fascinating.
WIP is the pulse of Philly fans. It's a basketball town.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 13, 2010, 04:44:00 PM
My favorite thing about this board is watching IGY try to convince people that he is in touch with Philly on a personal level, in ways that others are not
other are...just not ones that live in nebraska and have never been to philly
You are excellent at rationalizing your behavior, but that doesn't make it any less absurd. Frankly, it's pretty hilarious.
im glad i can entertain
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2010, 11:15:14 AM
i cant believe people dont remember all the years of the people saying the eagles have no wr's....andys horrible clock management and being pass happy...ricky manning dominating pinky...blaine bishop and levon kirkland vs joe jurevicious...sheldon brown being hurt vs the rams
Gotta correct you on that one IGY Smalls....
Sheldon Brown and Lito Sheppard were the products of the Eagles losing to the Rams the season before.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 13, 2010, 02:52:57 PM
It's cool, I don't mind being all alone in the 5 corner. I maintain that you do not give up on a proven player who is still in his prime. He will win a SB with the Eagles, provided they keep him around.
i'm still in his corner. i want him to do well and i take no pleasure in watching him perform poorly. all i'm giving up on is the "blind faith" that mcnabb will win this team a super bowl.
Quote from: hbionic on February 13, 2010, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2010, 11:15:14 AM
i cant believe people dont remember all the years of the people saying the eagles have no wr's....andys horrible clock management and being pass happy...ricky manning dominating pinky...blaine bishop and levon kirkland vs joe jurevicious...sheldon brown being hurt vs the rams
Gotta correct you on that one IGY Smalls....
Sheldon Brown and Lito Sheppard were the products of the Eagles losing to the Rams the season before.
yup. both were drafted in 2002 after losing to the rams in the nfccg in 01.
I would hope it's been a few years at the least since anyone had blind faith in McNabb winning a super bowl. It has become apparent that in order to win one with him, you need to put a very good-great team around him, and/or you need to not throw 65% of the time with his accuracy issues. This years team was merely good, and they ran the ball well during a win streak only to completely abandon it the last two games of the year, which were losses.
Both of those responsibilities fall on Andy Reid.
Quote from: hbionic on February 13, 2010, 05:17:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2010, 11:15:14 AM
i cant believe people dont remember all the years of the people saying the eagles have no wr's....andys horrible clock management and being pass happy...ricky manning dominating pinky...blaine bishop and levon kirkland vs joe jurevicious...sheldon brown being hurt vs the rams
Gotta correct you on that one IGY Smalls....
Sheldon Brown and Lito Sheppard were the products of the Eagles losing to the Rams the season before.
troy vincent
Man I can't believe phreak is still sticking to 5 winning the bowl theory.
Delusion is an understatement
Quote from: KDS on February 13, 2010, 07:28:28 PM
Man I can't believe phreak is still sticking to 5 winning the bowl theory.
Delusion is an understatement
Believe it, Toddy. It's the truth.
Put $50 on it
Donny never wins the bowl in philly
farg ill make it $100
ill go a lot higher...that he never wins it anywhere
Ill take that too
Tho there is the 1 percent shot he can trent dilfer his way to a ring
But him winning one in philly is a guarantee cake. Come on phreak put yo $ where yo mouth is
i'm going to email your :CF profile link to brownsville so they can read your stuff. you almost certainly gave them fansince61's eagles by the numbers write ups for your interviews.
Now those would be great to read.
how scary would it be for some outsider to read through 20,000 posts of mine spanning from 10th grade to now. you get a real broad overview of how farged up my mind is.
If and when it is confirmed that he comes back I will make a modest bet with you on this.
haha define modest
how about 25 right now then another 25 on top if he gets another season or god forbid an extension
We'll wait to see if he's back. Once that takes place, I'm open for bets.
Cool, I'd love to take you up on a bet Phreak, it's a can't lose. Either I win some jack or the Birds win a SB, in which case I'd be thrilled to lose a bet for.
Quote from: KDS on February 14, 2010, 01:43:04 AM
how scary would it be for some outsider to read through 20,000 posts of mine spanning from 10th grade to now. you get a real broad overview of how farged up my mind is.
it was bad enough for us to read and we're pretty much a retarded farging lot.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 13, 2010, 02:36:00 PM
Donovan has always had a lot of people against him because of his color. I can't remember the amount of people who I've heard say "they need a white QB".
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 13, 2010, 11:41:44 AM
While that is true, there was also an underlying anti-McNabb sentiment for almost as long as he has been here. The SB loss and Garcia just put it in the forefront.
Let's stop beating around the bush and call it like it is. There are those people in the Eagles fan base that will never like him because of the color of his skin, and have used his short comings as an excuse to voice their opinions in mixed company.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 13, 2010, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2010, 01:40:38 AM
there arent words to describe how wrong that post is
again unless youre in the city on a regular basis and getting the vibe you really dont know whats going on
lol @ thinking a computer gives you that..typical y2k thinking
you gotta be on the ground son...i cant tell you whats going on in afghanistan or seattle...or wherever the hell you people live simply because i have a computer
lol. it ain't just the computer dook, although that does make it pretty simple to gather info. here's a question for you......why do you think most people on this board are eagles fans? because with a few exceptions, we're all from in/around philly. which means that there's a good farging possibility that a lot of us still have friends and family back there. walking up and down broad street for an hour does not put you in tune with the collective thoughts of several million people. and if it does then you've got some super human osmosis ability.
lol @ you for thinking that you are the only real source for getting the "philly vibe" around here. christ dude, you've just taken your ignorance and arrogance to unprecedented levels.
^This times 10^. Igy's not telling you about the crystal ball he bought on sale at Wal-Mart. He has it in the basement of his D.C. suburban home. It used to work for reading McNabb's mind until Dmac started wearing that tin foil hat.
tin foil hats are the new do-rag
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 14, 2010, 02:26:29 AM
We'll wait to see if he's back. Once that takes place, I'm open for bets.
unless reid changes his ways you're going to lose money.
dont get me wrong i would give my left nut for a more pro style offense and more rushing attempts but way more important than that is to get a qb who fits in reids system...and an aging beat up inaccuarte QB is not the answer
i just cant believe there are people out there that think if reid suddenly ran the ball 4-5 more times a game that A) they wouold be successful at it and B) mcnabb would all of a sudeden become accurate clutch and not a mopey crybaby
its truly amazing how delusional some people are. most arent to the extent good old phreak is but there is still the "we just need to run the ball more" contingent. i guess those are the same people that were convinced this was the year after the eagles tore through 11 last place teams before reality set in.
i'll say this.....running more does not make mcnabb more accurate nor does it make him more clutch or less pukey. however, if the eagles were to become a more balanced team that could control the clock, mcnabb would most certainly benefit from that.....as would damn near any quarterback. so making that "argument" is stating the obvious. like when madden said stupid crap during pre-game about how the way you win the game is by scoring more points than the other team. no shtein.
i do think that mcnabb is good enough to win a superbowl i just don't think it's ever going to happen in philly, especially with reid calling the shots. mcnabb's just not the type of qb who can throw the ball 60+% of the time and be consistently successfull. and i really don't want to see mcnabb go (i've calmed down since the playoff loss) but at the same time, since i know reid isn't going anywhere and i also know that this team isn't winning anything with both of them around, then something needs to change. i would love to see reid go before mcnabb. but it ain't happening.
that's what i don't understand about Reid, when Garcia came in for Donovan, he was very effective because of the balance the offense took on. but once Donovan came back, he reverted to the insanity. Donovan is not equipped to throw as much as he is forced to. maybe if he had touch and accuracy, he could be, but the fact that Andy doesn't tailor the offense around donovan's strengths is one of the more mind numbing questions throughout this run.
running the ball more would cure a lot of the ills that plague them.
they'd be less reliant on the big play to bail them out. the smallish defense they run out there would be less exposed. and donovan would face less pressure to constantly carry the team on his narrow shoulders.
it wouldn't cure the poor draft choices, especially on defense, nor would it make donovan more accurate but it would ease several problems they've faced for over a decade.
same can be said back in 02 (i think it was) when feeley played the home stretch of the season and the eagles won like 5 of 6 or something like that. feeley was only in like his 2nd year. garcia was a pro-bowl veteran qb and in both cases, he balanced the offense out (understandably with feeley). and in garcia's case, the offense was definitely more consistent and efficient.
it's in that regard that i think mcnabb does get an unfair shake sometimes because for whatever reason, reid puts alot more on mcnabb than he's able to shoulder.
Quote from: SunMo on February 15, 2010, 12:28:56 PM
that's what i don't understand about Reid, when Garcia came in for Donovan, he was very effective because of the balance the offense took on. but once Donovan came back, he reverted to the insanity. Donovan is not equipped to throw as much as he is forced to. maybe if he had touch and accuracy, he could be, but the fact that Andy doesn't tailor the offense around donovan's strengths is one of the more mind numbing questions throughout this run.
garcia ran the offense the way he did because his skill set is more tailored for the routes that are necessary to run the west coast offense
way to much attention is put on how much andy passes the ball and not enough on the fact that he has a qb that is not ideally suited for the kinds of passes he does call
im of the opinion that andy should be shot for trying to fit square peg mcnabb in a round hole offense for 11 years - not for passing the ball to much...the farging idiot should have either changed the skematics of his offense or got a different qb...instead he plowed the status quo ahead for a decade
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 08, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Quote from: reese125 on February 08, 2010, 09:22:31 AM
QuoteMaybe he can be the best second basemen ever, but that's even a huge stretch.
not a huge stretch at all
best hitting 2nd basemen ever, very possible.
best defenseive 2nd basemen ever, very unlikely.
He's actually been by far the best defensive second baseman over the past 5 years. No lie.
his defense improved tremendously but he's still got a ways to go to be considered among the best ever.
Well I never saw most of the greats play and there are no defensive metrics available for them so I can't argue one way or the other. All I know is Utley is the best defensive second baseman in the game right now.
Bill James said he's awesome
Why? Just in general, why?
McNabb > Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli, Roethlisberger(1st time SB without any doubt)... difference: Coaching and Defense. He doesn't get a pass for his. But cmon Reid, Heckert, Banner, and the Defense get some of this stink too.
Quote from: RezRob on February 16, 2010, 04:50:12 PM
McNabb > Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli, Roethlisberger(1st time SB without any doubt)... difference: Coaching and Defense. He doesn't get a pass for his. But cmon Reid, Heckert, Banner, and the Defense get some of this stink too.
Difference:
McNabb - vomit
Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli, Roethlisberger - no vomit
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 16, 2010, 04:51:46 PM
Quote from: RezRob on February 16, 2010, 04:50:12 PM
McNabb > Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli, Roethlisberger(1st time SB without any doubt)... difference: Coaching and Defense. He doesn't get a pass for his. But cmon Reid, Heckert, Banner, and the Defense get some of this stink too.
Difference:
McNabb - vomit
Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli, Roethlisberger - no vomit
I know right, he's so silly...haha he's either nervous and vomitting or he's too loose and playin' air guitar...he's just so silly...haha farg you.
Hitler is to short mustaches, as to what Donovan is to air guitars.
Forever ruined.
QuoteKolb talks contract talks, has a "wish" to play in 2010
Posted by Mike Florio on February 16, 2010 8:25 PM ET
As Garry Cobb continues to protest too much regarding the contradictions and refutations of his report that the Eagles and quarterback Kevin Kolb are negotiating a long-term contract, Kolb himself has gone on the record.
"We haven't even talked to them as far as I know," Kolb told Howard Eskin and Ike Reese of 610 WIP in Philly (via SportsRadioInterviews.com). "That totally blew me away whenever that was reported because it was obviously false. Yeah, that has not been discussed yet."
The phrase "as far as I know" means it's possible that the agent has been talking to the Eagles without telling Kolb. Based on other information we've compiled, however, we think that Kolb knows exactly what's been happening in this regard.
Nothing.
And the Eagles need not rush to do a deal with Kolb because Kolb has no desire to leave.
"I feel like I fit in this system so well and not just the system but the coaching staff and the players and the personnel all the way around," Kolb said. "You know even on the other side of the building with the business side and all of that. I just feel like our personalities really fit well together, we work hard together and I look forward to taking over this thing one day and working with those guys. I would never wish myself to be anywhere else."
Kolb also made it clear that he hopes the "one day" when he "tak[es] over this thing" comes sooner rather than later.
"I wish I could have played last year," Kolb said. "With that being said I am going to wish it even more this year. It's tough, but I know it's an even harder situation for the Eagles. There are three of us out there that can play so I am going to keep their feelings in mind and try to remain positive no matter what happens."
So while the Eagles have been saying all the right things about the status of Donovan McNabb for 2010, the Eagles might want to consider putting a sock in Kolb's talk box until they can figure out whether Kolb's wish will come true. Especially if McNabb decides that he wants a "financial commitment" regarding his status with the team via a big-money deal that extends beyond the coming season.
company man, just like banner likes it
maybe kolb could grow a pair of balls and put a "start me or trade me" ultimatum on the eagles. come out and say he wants to be the qb of this team right now and if hes not then let him go somewhere else.
It's starting to look like it depends what type of year McNabb has. If they come out and go 5-3 or 6-2 and McNabb is having another good year, they might just let Kolb walk at the end and sign McNabb for the rest of his career.
What happens if they wait and Donovan gets them to the nfccg, but then pukes and loses? Is that a win or a fail?
For them and their pockets? A win.
But by that time they would have used his good play during to year to already ink the deal. Seems like every year between week 6 and 10 they give a long term deal to someone who's having agood year.
I can't see them letting this go all the way to the end of next year, that hasn't been this front office's MO.
I wouldn't disagree with most of that, but you'd expect Donovan to have 5 or 6 wins at midseason anyway. After 11 seasons they pretty much know what they have in him so I don't think they need to wait until midyear to see how he does. On the other hand, since much of how they did business had directly to do with the cap, this year might be much different. They really don't have to deal with Kolb's contract for a couple of years as things are now. They will get rid of one of the QBs, so it probably comes down to who that is.
yah, the lack of salary cap/not knowing whats' going on with the CBA probably has a huge roll in all this too.
so the biggest offseason story so far is whether or not the eagles are talking extension with kolb. yawn.
but since it's being talked about:
QuoteThere are three of us out there that can play so I am going to keep their feelings in mind and try to remain positive no matter what happens
i've gone back to hating kolb again. wtf is all this talk about feelings and shtein? does he want to be a football player or dr. phil's co-host?
what is he even saying...that he was contemplating ripping his teammates and then decided against it...like now if donovan goes out and has a bad practice he wont bash him?
Eagles suck.
Pretty much.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 17, 2010, 11:25:34 AM
what is he even saying...that he was contemplating ripping his teammates and then decided against it...like now if donovan goes out and has a bad practice he wont bash him?
If I'm remembering the article, it is the FO's feelings who Kolb doesn't want to hurt. Now everyone can go back to liking him. He's sensitive.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 17, 2010, 11:15:50 AM
so the biggest offseason story so far is whether or not the eagles are talking extension with kolb. yawn.
Actually, I see this a as good thing. Much less drama than most past years, and the team I think has zero starters that are unrestricted FAs so everyone they want back should be. I think I saw the Ravens have 27 rfa/ufas.
TO and Donny are bestest friends again (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/02/terrell-owens-says-he-and-eagles-qb-donovan-mcnabb-are-friends-now/1)
QuoteJust last month, Owens told USA TODAY that he had been held back in his career by inferior QB play and that he'd be challenging Jerry Rice's all-time receiving marks if he had played with better QBs.
young, garcia, mcnabb and romo.
realistically, what are the odds that a single receiver plays with that many good qb's during his career? dropped passes has been his biggest downfall his entire career (other than maybe his ego). i think he had like 5 drops in that playoff game against the pack when he caught the game winning td.
damn if he wasn't fun to watch but this guy's a moron of epic proportions.
He wore out his welcome here with Reid as much as McNabb. Can't wait to hear the "Owens back to Philly?" crap start up now.
Sure, why not. Bring in the aging vet with shaky hands now that there's a couple of half decent receivers on the roster.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 22, 2010, 09:09:17 PM
QuoteJust last month, Owens told USA TODAY that he had been held back in his career by inferior QB play and that he'd be challenging Jerry Rice's all-time receiving marks if he had played with better QBs.
young, garcia, mcnabb and romo.
realistically, what are the odds that a single receiver plays with that many good qb's during his career? dropped passes has been his biggest downfall his entire career (other than maybe his ego). i think he had like 5 drops in that playoff game against the pack when he caught the game winning td.
damn if he wasn't fun to watch but this guy's a moron of epic proportions.
I think it was closer to 8. Crazy how he has probably at least tied the record for most drops in a game and set a record for most catches in a game
lol at ripping TO and defending mcnabb romo and garcia
What?
It's cause they're white.
Give Reid 1 year with a different Quarterback before you unload him.
Quote from: GreenSilver on February 27, 2010, 02:10:23 PM
Give Reid 1 year with a different Quarterback before you unload him.
oh PLEASE. Blaming Reid's failures on McNabb is about as dumb a comment as I'd expect from the likes of Munson.
It's not a matter of assigning blame. Reid has his extension... McNabb doesn't. McNabb leaves after next season or sooner, Reid is still hear, see how he performs the following season
We've seen how Reid gameplans with a different quarterback. He does better, and this is a problem.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2010, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: GreenSilver on February 27, 2010, 02:10:23 PM
Give Reid 1 year with a different Quarterback before you unload him.
oh PLEASE. Blaming Reid's failures on McNabb is about as dumb a comment as I'd expect from the likes of Munson.
Considering I've said give McNabb a new coach about a million times, this about as dumb a comment as I'd expect from you.
yes its andy's fault wittle donny threw up in the superbowl and that he likes throwing to aneas williams, ronde barber and ricky manning jr better than his own receivers. who suck! wait! its the defense! and the playcalling!
And that's about as dumb a comment I'd expect from you. You never fail to come through for me jewy.
reid does call a better game when mcnabb isn't in the lineup. we all know that. but you know what, he's still never won a super bowl. without mcnabb, reid calls a game that's more capable of winning it all, however, he still shteins the bed with his big game playcalling regardless of who is under center.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2010, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: GreenSilver on February 27, 2010, 02:10:23 PM
Give Reid 1 year with a different Quarterback before you unload him.
oh PLEASE. Blaming Reid's failures on McNabb is about as dumb a comment as I'd expect from the likes of Munson.
Give the guy a break, it's his first post in over five years. We could use some fresh blood around here.
Quote from: Munson on February 27, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
And that's about as dumb a comment I'd expect from you. You never fail to come through for me jewy.
if you ever actually got a job id make a bet, any amount, on donovan winning the bowl with another coach. at least phreak puts his delusional homerism where his wallet be. and it paid off this year.
Considering McNabb won't be with a new coach this year, and he'll be 34 by the time he is, no thanks.
haha Hoyda
ill even make a standing $20 bet about winning a bowl with a coach not named andy reid.
I named my couch Tim.
Tim Sofabed? I don't get it.
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 27, 2010, 07:17:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2010, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: GreenSilver on February 27, 2010, 02:10:23 PM
Give Reid 1 year with a different Quarterback before you unload him.
oh PLEASE. Blaming Reid's failures on McNabb is about as dumb a comment as I'd expect from the likes of Munson.
Give the guy a break, it's his first post in over five years. We could use some fresh blood around here.
this times one billion
The reporter from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that said the Rams were discussing trading for McNabb was on WIP this morning and said there's absolutely zero chance it would actually happen, making his own article pretty much irrelevant...
Quote from: Munson on February 27, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
And that's about as dumb a comment I'd expect from you. You never fail to come through for me jewy.
you really rail on the jewish thing i see.
What an idiot. It amazes me how journalists, weathermen and baseball players can succeed 30% of the time all the while becoming all-stars in their respective fields. It's not as if I believed that rumor, but the inner workings of my trousers definitely moved when I initially read it.
well now, i better not be standing near you if this turns out to be true.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2010, 10:48:12 AM
The reporter from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that said the Rams were discussing trading for McNabb was on WIP this morning and said there's absolutely zero chance it would actually happen, making his own article pretty much irrelevant...
Said his copy desk farged it up...
Keep McNabb!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2010, 03:22:18 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2010, 10:48:12 AM
The reporter from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that said the Rams were discussing trading for McNabb was on WIP this morning and said there's absolutely zero chance it would actually happen, making his own article pretty much irrelevant...
Said his copy desk farged it up...
i heard they really showed their youth.
so if his editor screwed up his words lets see the real article.
Quote
Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch recently sent Rams fans into a tizzy by reporting that the Rams have had "intense internal investigations" with the Eagles regarding quarterback Donovan McNabb.
Though Burwell later essentially claimed that his newspaper's offensive line had been outplayed, the talk continues.
One tipster with a limited but viable track record in these parts claims that McNabb could be a Ram as soon as Friday, in exchange for the first pick in the second round of the draft.
But there's an important factor to keep in mind regarding such a deal. Though McNabb's contract does not contain a no-trade clause, McNabb's willingness to happily join a team that has won six total games in three years will be a big factor in any such deal.
Then there's the fact that the Rams wouldn't send the first pick in the second round of the draft for a 30-something-year-old quarterback who is under contract for only one year. The Rams will want to do an extension, and McNabb can kill the deal by simply saying "no f--king way."
That doesn't mean McNabb stays put. But it means that, before he gets traded, his new team will need to have a pretty good idea that they're getting him for more than 16 games.
of all people to post something like this
you think the rebuilding rams are going to give up a 2nd rd'er they so desperately need for an aging qb that would require a hefty extension. An extension that Mcnabb would need to agree on. There is no incentive what-so-ever for mcnabb to pick up and move to st. louis
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2010, 09:51:03 AM
An extension that Mcnabb would need to agree on. There is no incentive what-so-ever for mcnabb to pick up and move to st. louis
you mention he would want an extension then say there is no incentive for him to go there....that would be the incentive
the eagles arent caking him off again and if another team will whose to say he wouldnt go...a pro athlete going for the money isnt exactly a rare occurance...and mcnabb with his we'll get em next year attitue isnt exactly a guy that seems to care all that much about losing
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2010, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2010, 09:51:03 AM
An extension that Mcnabb would need to agree on. There is no incentive what-so-ever for mcnabb to pick up and move to st. louis
you mention he would want an extension then say there is no incentive for him to go there....that would be the incentive
the eagles arent caking him off again and if another team will whose to say he wouldnt go...a pro athlete going for the money isnt exactly a rare occurance...and mcnabb with his we'll get em next year attitue isnt exactly a guy that seems to care all that much about losing
but also prefaced it with hefty--something the rams surely cant afford
and youre forgetting this ridiculous relationship mcnabb has with reid. no way reid does him like that
it's all speculation at best right now but in reality there isn't much else to discuss beyond the reported rumors to pas the time. personally i think the team in the nfc west that would make more sense to talk with would be the niners.
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2010, 09:59:55 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2010, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2010, 09:51:03 AM
An extension that Mcnabb would need to agree on. There is no incentive what-so-ever for mcnabb to pick up and move to st. louis
you mention he would want an extension then say there is no incentive for him to go there....that would be the incentive
the eagles arent caking him off again and if another team will whose to say he wouldnt go...a pro athlete going for the money isnt exactly a rare occurance...and mcnabb with his we'll get em next year attitue isnt exactly a guy that seems to care all that much about losing
but also prefaced it with hefty--something the rams surely cant afford
and youre forgetting this ridiculous relationship mcnabb has with reid. no way reid does him like that
theres no salary cap...the rams certainly could pay him...i cant see him looking for nor could he command 'hefty' money...if reid who you say has a ridiculous relationship with him wont cake him then that is an indication of what kind of market he might have
i think their closeness is vastly overrated anyway...reid doesnt get close to players...i think they respect and like each other but theres no love or blind loyalty there...otherwise like i said why doesnt reid make sure he gets some more money from the eagles and designate him 100% the qb of the near future...i dont know the entire history of lame duck quarterbacks but how often do you see a pro bowl level starting qb play out a lame duck season...
at this point of his career and at his age the amount of money isnt as important as the guaranteed part of it and if st louis breaks him off with a decent amount of cash i think he would take it..or look at the flip side...if the eagles ARENT willing to extend him i can def see him wanting out
his act would play ridiculously in MA...he'd be like Sammy Davis Jr out there
ha...a performance of 'ive gotta be me' underneath the arch in white face FTW
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2010, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2010, 09:51:03 AM
An extension that Mcnabb would need to agree on. There is no incentive what-so-ever for mcnabb to pick up and move to st. louis
you mention he would want an extension then say there is no incentive for him to go there....that would be the incentive
the eagles arent caking him off again and if another team will whose to say he wouldnt go...a pro athlete going for the money isnt exactly a rare occurance...and mcnabb with his we'll get em next year attitue isnt exactly a guy that seems to care all that much about losing
not to mention that st louis is only a few hours from his hometown of chicago. also, they play in a dome which means that an immeasurable number of worm's lives will be spared whenever he torches the turf.
i just pictured donovan singing "candy man" in a tux in vegas.
for that, all of you must die.
screaming and on fire, preferably.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2010, 10:47:19 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2010, 09:59:55 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2010, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2010, 09:51:03 AM
An extension that Mcnabb would need to agree on. There is no incentive what-so-ever for mcnabb to pick up and move to st. louis
you mention he would want an extension then say there is no incentive for him to go there....that would be the incentive
the eagles arent caking him off again and if another team will whose to say he wouldnt go...a pro athlete going for the money isnt exactly a rare occurance...and mcnabb with his we'll get em next year attitue isnt exactly a guy that seems to care all that much about losing
but also prefaced it with hefty--something the rams surely cant afford
and youre forgetting this ridiculous relationship mcnabb has with reid. no way reid does him like that
theres no salary cap...the rams certainly could pay him...i cant see him looking for nor could he command 'hefty' money...if reid who you say has a ridiculous relationship with him wont cake him then that is an indication of what kind of market he might have
i think their closeness is vastly overrated anyway...reid doesnt get close to players...i think they respect and like each other but theres no love or blind loyalty there...otherwise like i said why doesnt reid make sure he gets some more money from the eagles and designate him 100% the qb of the near future...i dont know the entire history of lame duck quarterbacks but how often do you see a pro bowl level starting qb play out a lame duck season...
at this point of his career and at his age the amount of money isnt as important as the guaranteed part of it and if st louis breaks him off with a decent amount of cash i think he would take it..or look at the flip side...if the eagles ARENT willing to extend him i can def see him wanting out
for a multiple pro bowl qb it will be hefty enough-- especially for a team like the st louis rams--who is a small market team that doest have close the resources as the other major players. with an uncapped year, draft picks are gold this year because of the uncertainty of a possible strike or lockout in 2011 where mid-tier owners will probably be even more cautious with their finances
with the crazy needs that the rams need, picking up a veteran qb at this time makes no sense. and for mcnabb to choose an extension to stand behind that corpse of an o-line and shorten his career even further makes even less sense. bradford is going to love st. louis
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2010, 11:52:17 AM
i just pictured donovan singing "candy man" in a tux in vegas.
for that, all of you must die.
screaming and on fire, preferably.
sorry i just ran out of lighter fluid.
after the qbing the rams have seen the last few years mcnabb would be seen as a monster move in that city and he would basically pay for himself...as eagle fans we scrutinize the hell out of him...not that we arent jusitifed but most of the rest of the country especially as sun pointed out st louis would be head over heels to get him
giving a high second is a legit reason as to why st louis wouldnt do i...i dont think money will factor in it at all
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2010, 11:52:17 AM
i just pictured donovan singing "candy man" in a tux in vegas.
for that, all of you must die.
screaming and on fire, preferably.
Remember David Allen Grier's part in Amazon Women on the Moon? Donovan would be the perfect "No Soul" Simmons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBVO38FgqTI
re: McNabb to St. Louis
1) The reporter that wrote this is the worst reporter in St. Louis. Even the jew that can't put a sentence together could probably out-journalize this guy
2) Who has ever heard of "intense internal investigations" with another team? Doesn't it have to be either "internal" or "with the Eagles"?
3) They are in the process of being sold to an Illinois businessman. The current owners can't spend hefty cash during this without the approval of the new owner, and the new owner can't do anything until he owns the team.
4) Apparently, Warner is un-retiring (http://xrl.in/4p3y) to play with one team and one team only -- the Rams.
McNabb is NOT going to St. Louis.
love how the article states warner only cares about the story and unfinished business. ha. what unfinished business? the super bowl you won?
bleacher report is horrible. christ....warner and his wife probably care more about him dying on the football field, and if he goes back to the rams that might just happen behind that line and on that turf.
McNabb is going to St. Louis?
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2010, 07:06:56 PMbleacher report
Bleacher Report: it's like Wikipedia... if Wikipedia articles could be opinion only, were written by the average sports fan, and were never edited or corrected after they were originally posted. TATE is more authoritative.
is it that popular?...ive never even heard of it
fox 29 is reporting upper management wants mcnabb gone but andy wants to keep him
if true (the eagles have denied it) does it mean
1. like reese said andy does really love mcnabb more than he loves the eagles
2. andy doesnt think very highly of kevin cobb
3. mcnabb is gone and this is a PR move to make it so andy isnt the bad guy
all sucky choices but if forced to take one i'd go with #3.
fwiw...florio is on wip saying the eagles have taken numerous inquiries and are going to gather offers for mcnabb and if one is sufficient they will move him...nothing earth shattering there but he is adamant that they intend to move him if at all possible
you know they are going to move him if the right deal comes along. i do think though that there is decent within the ranks on doing that between reid and the weasels.
QuoteFox 29 in Philadelphia reports that, "internally the Eagles' brass wants to move [McNabb] but Andy Reid does not."
It's not clear which members of the "Eagles' brass" want to trade McNabb, but it is clear, at least if the Fox 29 report is to be believed, that there's internal division over whether or not McNabb should be the Eagles' quarterback in 2010.
Fox 29 is also hearing, as PFT reported Thursday, that the Eagles haven't heard from the Rams yet.
Shoulda drafted Ricky Williams.
you cannot let reggie white get away
at least they got mamula right
QuoteThe Panthers began the new league year by releasing five players -- a group headlined by their starting quarterback of the last seven years, Jake Delhomme.
I currently live in NC, the radio shows this morning were all about trading for McNabb to fill in as starter until the Panthers can draft a franchise QB. :-D
Always wondered what the "NC" in your name meant
fox 29 = gargano
gargano = trotter and reece
trotter and reece = a few guys who might have heard of stuff
If management wants him gone and Reid really doesn't....smells like a disaster.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on March 05, 2010, 12:08:10 PM
QuoteThe Panthers began the new league year by releasing five players -- a group headlined by their starting quarterback of the last seven years, Jake Delhomme.
I currently live in NC, the radio shows this morning were all about trading for McNabb to fill in as starter until the Panthers can draft a franchise QB. :-D
honestly if farve doesnt retire i cant think of a spot thats makes more sense for him
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 05, 2010, 12:54:10 PM
If management wants him gone and Reid really doesn't....smells like a disaster.
yep, it means banner and roseman boot reid after this year and hire timothy geithner to coach the team.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2010, 12:59:06 PM
Quote from: NC_Eagle on March 05, 2010, 12:08:10 PM
QuoteThe Panthers began the new league year by releasing five players -- a group headlined by their starting quarterback of the last seven years, Jake Delhomme.
I currently live in NC, the radio shows this morning were all about trading for McNabb to fill in as starter until the Panthers can draft a franchise QB. :-D
honestly if farve doesnt retire i cant think of a spot thats makes more sense for him
The laugh was for the likelihood of it happening, not whether it would be a good spot for McNabb.
5 certainly couldn't complain about a lack of a running game to take the load off his arm, not so sure about their receivers but the defense is in for a rough year (all four starting d-line are being replaced at once this season).
Reid told Eskin teams "like to chum" but he declared again that Donovan will be back and he has the final say, not Howie
eskins sources are banner and co. so this is interesting
dare i say we are heading into a serious andy reid vs. banner inc showdown over donovan? will donovan pout and whine and turn this into another example of how everyone is out to get him?
Let Andy and Howie rassle for the right to make the call.
the fact that we are even bringing up howie rosemans name in a PP decision of this magnitude is sickening
OMG! BREAKING NEWS - DONOVAN & T.O. TO BE TEAMMATES AGAIN! WTF!! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976780)
Too late smartass.
why you gotta spoil a brotha's fun?
Pretty sure sean already ruined it.
Whoops, I meant Ed.
No.
Quote from: shorebird on February 22, 2010, 09:37:36 PM
He wore out his welcome here with Reid as much as McNabb. Can't wait to hear the "Owens back to Philly?" crap start up now.
link (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=20747.msg728795#msg728795)
Missanelli
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2010/03/11/memo-to-the-national-media-you-want-mcnabb-take-him/ (http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2010/03/11/memo-to-the-national-media-you-want-mcnabb-take-him/)
Quote from: phattymatty on March 11, 2010, 10:06:25 AM
Missanelli
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2010/03/11/memo-to-the-national-media-you-want-mcnabb-take-him/ (http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2010/03/11/memo-to-the-national-media-you-want-mcnabb-take-him/)
I really hate how that guy eats candy on the air. It's nauseating.
well then call the sound off line and voice your displeasure.
You call for me. Calling into sports talk is barely one step above stalking for pictures and autographs.
Quote from: charlie on March 11, 2010, 11:18:03 AM
You call for me. Calling into sports talk is barely one step above stalking for pictures and autographs.
yeah definitely below pisssing and moaning about a radio guy eating on air on a message board.
Peter King muses about the lack of interest in McNabb so far. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/03/14/mmqb/index.html?hpt=T2)
farging great.
if the eagles as someone posted here the other day want "at least" a first round pick for mcnabb then that would basically answer kinbgs discussion right off the bat
what id do if i was the eagles...and maybe they have....is ask for a #1 next year
or use mcnabb to move up in a round to get someone they covet...trade your two and mcnabb for example to move from the bottom to the top of round two...of course you have to have a willing partner and the trade it self might not be that straight forward but thats the direction id look to as it wouldnt require a team to give up a straight draft pick...theyd get mcnabb and an eagles pick
either way i still feel good about mcnabb being moved on or around draft weekend
The difference in Peter King's thinking and the Eagles thinking is they think they have a shot at a super bowl with Mcnabb. King even mentions that if McNabb is a top 10 qb and they are so hard to find, then why wouldnt a team scoop him? The better question is then why would the Eagles let him go?
Getting to the SB against the Patriots was the teaser of all teasers because it was McNabb who got them there, and even though it was 2004 its still the big factor here of not letting him go for an unknown in Kolb. Not to mention, with some heads coming back from injury, another year with those 2 receivers, and just "maybe" a healthy o-line working a full off-season together there's an even bigger reason in their minds to keep him.
Its not like they were 4-12 last year. So, while we all know its Groundhogs Day again in 2010-2011, I highly doubt they believe it for a second.
banner thought they had the most talented roster in the nfl last year...how you think hes gonna feel about it after his boy howie makes a full set of picks in one of the deepest drafts ever
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2010, 02:57:15 PM
if the eagles as someone posted here the other day want "at least" a first round pick for mcnabb then that would basically answer kinbgs discussion right off the bat
what id do if i was the eagles...and maybe they have....is ask for a #1 next year
or use mcnabb to move up in a round to get someone they covet...trade your two and mcnabb for example to move from the bottom to the top of round two...of course you have to have a willing partner and the trade it self might not be that straight forward but thats the direction id look to as it wouldnt require a team to give up a straight draft pick...theyd get mcnabb and an eagles pick
either way i still feel good about mcnabb being moved on or around draft weekend
Me too. It's a little to early yet. Teams aren't desperate enough, and Reid asking price is probably high, if McNabb is on the market at all. 1st rounder?? I'd say yes. Negotiable.
so apparently reid said yesterday that teams are "entertaining" them with offers for each qb and they are listening.
in normal circumstances that would get a big DUH but considering it was coming from butterbean's mouth it actually makes me feel just a tiny bit less disguted with this offseason.
Trade Kolb.
So, you're saying there's a chance....
cobb obviously brings a better deal...the question isnt about that...the question is...is cobb their future and if he is do you wanna give that up before it even starts
how can you say he obviously brings the better deal ? his 2.5games of experience and practice reps ? this supposed upside ?
and i think there is debate within the organization about kold being the future or he'd have a new deal already.
Quote from: smeags on March 24, 2010, 08:53:45 AM
how can you say he obviously brings the better deal ? his 2.5games of experience and practice reps ? this supposed upside ?
and i think there is debate within the organization about kold being the future or he'd have a new deal already.
age is the big thing....hed be like drafting a qb in the top ten this year except hes already schooled in the league and will not command a huge deal
also promise
and the unknown which is not always a bad thing...you know what youre getting with mcnabb and its only going to get worse
no chance they are giving cobb a new deal until mcnabb gets moved...number one you dont wanna alienate thin skinned donny while hes still on the team...not to mention giving cobb a new deal while you have mcnabb crushes mcnabbs value...its just not smart business...plus when hes gone it will be 100% cobbs job and they can negotiate from a level playing field without mcnabb clouding the picture
none of that proves he obviously going to bring a better deal. but nice try.
wait you want me to prove RIGHT NOW on this board that he will command more than mcnabb
lol...clown
you're not the one who just said he obviously would bring the better deal ?
tool.
he would
may not be obvious to someone that wants to sign cobb while trying to trade mcnabb but that doesnt mean it isnt pretty clear
:-D
another swing and a miss, i never said re-sign kolb now. you just assumed that.
This conversation is so awesome I think I just shtein myself.
niiiiiice. hope you weren't going comando today.
I'm reasonably sure you do that every morning...I don't think you can connect it to this conversation, which is more diarrhea of the mouth.
Quote from: smeags on March 24, 2010, 08:53:45 AM
and i think there is debate within the organization about kold being the future or he'd have a new deal already.
my bad you didnt saw now you said he already would have been signed
Quote from: smeags on March 24, 2010, 09:24:07 AM
i never said re-sign kolb now. you just assumed that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2010, 08:37:29 AM
Trade Kolb.
That makes no sense, this team is not a real contender and probably won't be for at least the next season. Why not start over? McNabb has been given ample opportunity and has failed. You must be a real glutton for punishment if you want to keep McNabb, we already know he won't win anything here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2010, 09:01:30 AM
you know what youre getting with mcnabb and its only going to get worse
This X infinity. I only wish it didn't take me 11 years to come to grips with this. Trade 5 now...or sooner.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 24, 2010, 10:23:17 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2010, 09:01:30 AM
you know what youre getting with mcnabb and its only going to get worse
This X infinity. I only wish it didn't take me 11 years to come to grips with this. Trade 5 now...or sooner.
Yeah that is exactly how I feel. I have been a big defender of his for the last 10-11 years but he continues to prove the critics right.
Quote
"My position hasn't changed," McNabb said in a statement released to the Inquirer. "I said all along that I would like to win a Super Bowl and finish my career in Philadelphia. I understand the situation well, and just hope whichever direction the Eagles decide to go in, they do it quickly. I think that would be best for me, Kevin, Michael, the Eagles and any other teams involved. No matter what happens, I have already begun preparing to have an outstanding season in 2010."
pretty big deal that he acknowledges accepts and even promotes a quick resolution to this and that resolution is that he could be gone
All of you are nuts.
They could win the SB if they gave enough of shtein to put forth the effort to build a team to win it. And you know what, 5 would be the guy to win it for them.
But yeah, you are all right....trade him for an unknown who holds the ball forever and throws picks...why? Well to blow it up and start over!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2010, 03:20:50 PM
All of you are nuts.
They could win the SB if they gave enough of shtein to put forth the effort to build a team to win it. And you know what, 5 would be the guy to win it for them.
But yeah, you are all right....trade him for an unknown who holds the ball forever and throws picks...why? Well to blow it up and start over!
Agreed Kolb holds the ball too long, but christ Jay he has only had 2 NFL starts. I've defended 5 for a long time, but really when I take a step back and look at it he isn't that great. Look at his playoff record and rating. And look at the SB that is all you really need to know right there.
That is a pretty big deal him acknowledging the situation. I hold no ill will towards the guy, he has given us as Eagles fans one of the most successful runs in franchise history. Bottom line is he is gone after this season anyway so why not get something for him?
I just don't agree and I very well could be wrong and Kolb ends up having a Rodgers like ascent to a top-10 QB in the NFL.
He's gone next year? Not if they trade Kolb and extend McNabb.
Donovan is what, 32-33? He's got 4 solid years left. There's no reason he can't win a SB here if given the help to do so.
Beef up and get some farging attitude on defense and fix the OL; now that they have the playmakers at the skill positions they could win it with him.
I just don't see them trading Kolb unless they get an offer they can't refuse.
Desperation is a stinky cologne, phreak.
Jay, I love you dude, but its time.
yeah cobb was reading nfl defenses for the first two times in his life this year...who wouldnt be a little hesitant
and mcnabb couldnt win a supebowl when the eagles had sb caliber teams now they are mediocre at best and hes gonna finally do it?
its just amazing to me that after a decade of having good enough teams to win it all people are still asking to give mcnabb more...why doesnt farging puke breath give more for once...why is it always poor donnie didnt have enough help...you had enough help to get to six championship games...step up and get your team over the hump just once...
I'm going down with the ship.
I refuse to acknowledge that they will be a better team without Donovan because I simply do not believe it. I think the reasons that are given that they would be better without him are not sound and mostly backed by people simply not liking him.
Like I said, I could be wrong and they will deal him and Kolb steps in to be Football Jesus. If that happens, I was wrong. Big deal and we're all happy because the Birds are winning.
But I simply believe McNabb is and will be the better QB for this team.
Focus elsewhere, front office. Fix the farging defense. Its chock full of backups and Hoydas.
I don't think anybody is saying they will be a better team without Donovan, at least not initially. It is just time to move on.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
I refuse to acknowledge that they will be a better team without Donovan because I simply do not believe it. I think the reasons that are given that they would be better without him are not sound and mostly backed by people simply not liking him.
Try this one. The Eagles have been better off without McNabb because Reid calls a more balanced game without him in the lineup. Give these skill players a balanced, less predictable offense and even MDS might sport three hard inches.
Not to mention the fac that Kolb doesn't have to be football jesus to be good enough to win a championship.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 24, 2010, 03:37:05 PM
Jay, I love you dude, but its time.
i have to agree here. it is time to move on.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 24, 2010, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
I refuse to acknowledge that they will be a better team without Donovan because I simply do not believe it. I think the reasons that are given that they would be better without him are not sound and mostly backed by people simply not liking him.
Try this one. The Eagles have been better off without McNabb because Reid calls a more balanced game without him in the lineup. Give these skill players a balanced, less predictable offense and even MDS might sport three hard inches.
reid aint changing...hes throws like 57-58% of the time...what is that supposed to go down to...50?...not going to happen
reids main problem is not balance its WHEN to throw and not to throw...his situational play calling is atrocious...and thats not something you magically get better at...we could also talk about in game adjustments...clock management ect...but thats another topic
we know donovan cant run this offense...lets see if someone else can
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 24, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
I don't think anybody is saying they will be a better team without Donovan, at least not initially. It is just time to move on.
exactly...why is this so hard to understand...it has nothing to do with cobb...what is the point in treading water for another 3-4 years...its time to move forward no matter who the next qb is
but move beyond the general notion of having anyone but mcnabb at qb...the time is perfect to go with the guy you invested greatly in
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2010, 03:59:50 PM
reids main problem is not balance its WHEN to throw and not to throw...his situational play calling is atrocious...and thats not something you magically get better at...we could also talk about in game adjustments...clock management ect...but thats another topic
agreed.
some rumors floating that its Mcnabb to St Louis for the 33rd overall
Adam Schein has been beating that drum on Sirius for a couple weeks now.
McNabb to STL for #33 and Atogwe.
gargano talked to spags today and he said that the rams have not spoken a single time to the eagles about mcnabb and there is no truth to that rumor whatsoever
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2010, 04:12:34 PM
gargano talked to spags today and he said that the rams have not spoken a single time to the eagles about mcnabb and there is no truth to that rumor whatsoever
To be fair, he wouldn't say he did if he was on hold with Eagles.
it wasnt an interview tho...gargano didnt even use his name...he basically said he has sources close to the situation...and its fairly well known that his two best buds in the nfl are spags and heckert
if spags told him they were looking at mcnabb i could see gargano not saying anything
but the fact that he was allowed to go with this tells me its troof
Nah, I don't buy it. If the Rams wanted McNabb, they'd keep it completely under wraps until everything was in place. Not only would they be worried about a dark horse driving up the price, but they have the draft smoke screen process going on too.
St. Louis is blowing up over this rumor.
I call BS mainly because of the pending sale of the Rams.
Quote
McNabb trade talk heats up
Posted by Mike Florio on March 24, 2010 4:38 PM ET
A day after Eagles coach Andy Reid told the media that teams are "entertaining us with offers" for the various quarterbacks on the roster, evidence is emerging of teams interested in starter Donovan McNabb.
Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Bills and the Raiders have inquired regarding McNabb's availability. Per Robinson, McNabb would favor a trade to a team with a contending roster, like the Cardinals.
Also, persistent rumors have been making the rounds of the Eagles trading McNabb to the Rams for the first pick in the second round of the 2010 draft.
That rumor heated up today, as Mike Missanelli of 97.5 The Fanatic in Philly was discussing it on the air. He eventually pointed out that Chris Mortensen of ESPN had informed him via text that he had checked out the story with both parties, and that there's nothing to it.
Still, the move makes sense. If no one is offering a first-round pick and if the Eagles are intent on getting the best deal they can for McNabb, the first pick in round two would be the best possible deal. Now that the draft is spread out over three days, with the second round starting on Friday after after the first round finishes on Thursday night, the team that holds the first pick when the draft reconvenes holds a lot of power. Players that other teams covet will have slipped through round one, and there will be an extended time period for the team that has the next pick to do a great deal.
Of course, the Rams would have to want McNabb -- and they'd have to be willing to give up the second overall pick and the power that goes along with it. At this point, it's looks like it won't happen.
Which means it probably will by the weekend.
According to DNL Jeff McClane is reporting that a deal could be done with St. Louis by the end of the day or the end of the week. Ha.
I am so desperate for something interesting to happen that I'm actually paying attention to this tripe. FML.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 24, 2010, 05:07:11 PM
According to DNL Jeff McClane is reporting that a deal could be done with St. Louis by the end of the day or the end of the week. Ha.
link (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/McNabb_to_the_Rams_on_the_table.html)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2010, 03:31:44 PM
Donovan is what, 32-33? He's got 4 solid years left. There's no reason he can't win a SB here if given the help to do so.
i'll give you 3 reasons why that will never happen:
(http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/uploaded_images/reid-759110.jpg)
(http://renomahe.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/joe-banner.jpg)
(http://blackchristiannews.com/news/jeffrey_lurie.jpg)
not to mention that his post season stats aren't anywhere near impressive.
mcnabb's had 5 legitimate chances to win a super bowl and he came up short each time. i've enjoyed watching him play over the last 10 years. as frustrating as he can sometimes be on the field, i still enjoyed it overall. he definitely played a large roll in reshaping the eagles. but seriously, when is enough enough? i'm at the point where i really don't care one way or the other. if he's here for 2010 and beyond, fine. if not, fine. because regardless of who is the quarterback, this team definitely ain't competing for a super bowl this year. so the one benefit to not having mcnabb is that maybe this team goes from 9-7/10-6 territory and a potential playoff game and drops to 6-10 or 5-11 and lands in the top 10 of the draft in 2011.
if this team was absolutely built to win right now, then maybe i'd be more inclined to stick with mcnabb. but it's not going to win this year so why not cut ties with him and see what kolb brings to the table? for the 2nd round pick that the eagles used on him, i will actually be farging pissed if he isn't actually the starting qb for this team at some point (assuming they don't get equal trade value for him). i want to see what this 2nd round pick looks like, even if it's worse than hoying.
i believe dmac's playoff record is like 2 games above .500 ?
probably. 2009 was the first time in mcnabb's career he went to the playoffs and didn't win a game. so from 2000-2008, the worst he ever did in the post season was 1-1.
of course, having a "winning record" in the playoffs in meaningless if the lombardi trophy doesn't come with it. and without looking it up, i'd guess that most successful qb's who have multiple playoff appearances probably all have records right around .500. i don't even know if peyton manning has managed to get his playoff record up to .500 yet. and he still has 2 sb appearances and 1 trophy.
tom brady is probably the only current qb who might be +5 in the post season win column.
He has around an 80 Qb rating in the playoffs and has a 9-7 record.
and he's 1-0 in super bowl puking contests.
Mike Florio can suck my balls.
Anyway:
Quote
Conflicting reports emerge regarding McNabb to Rams
Posted by Mike Florio on March 24, 2010 5:13 PM ET
So we posted a little while ago an item generally addressing the possibility that the Eagles will trade Donovan McNabb, and we mentioned persistent rumors that McNabb could be sent to the Rams for the first pick in the second round of the 2010 draft.
And we pointed out that it appears that the rumors are just that -- rumors -- and that this probably means a deal gets done by the weekend.
Now, there's a report from Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer that the Eagles "have an offer on the table" from the Rams for the No. 33 selection in the draft, in exchange for McNabb. McLane writes that McNabb would be willing to go to St. Louis with a contract extension, and that a trade could happen quickly
Meanwhile, a Rams source contends that there is "zero truth" to the reported interest in McNabb. Per the source, "all focus" is on the available college quarterbacks.
I get the Spags/Shurmur connection and the need for a QB, but I don't understand why the Rams would do this trade. If it's for ticket sales, they'd have better luck with the midwestern kid in Bradford, plus you'd have him for a much longer period. Maybe they like Suh more....? And not just that, but they'd be giving up a highly-desirable pick because it's basically a 1st-round talent on a 4-yr minimum deal.....and they'd be giving up their starting free safety....
they'll have to trade the 33rd, and i'll take it
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 24, 2010, 06:04:41 PM
I get the Spags/Shurmur connection and the need for a QB, but I don't understand why the Rams would do this trade. If it's for ticket sales, they'd have better luck with the midwestern kid in Bradford, plus you'd have him for a much longer period. Maybe they like Suh more....? And not just that, but they'd be giving up a highly-desirable pick because it's basically a 1st-round talent on a 4-yr minimum deal.....and they'd be giving up their starting free safety....
Well they could draft a developmental guy in the next year or two. McNabb would make them instantly better. They also would be able to possibly trade out of the number 1 spot if they got McNabb.
more than anything it would make them relevant again
so this safety is an rfa that hasnt signed the tender from the rams.
Good luck in St. Louis to the perpetual victim.
LaCanfora says the Rams are denying too. He says McNabb is the most likely to be dealt.
LaCanfora says he's the likeliest to be traded and won't get an extension
Ashley Fox says Kolb is the most likely to be traded and McNabb gets the contract
McLane says Donovan's going to the Rams
Everyone but McLane says STL isn't happening
Annoying.
Quote from: Rome on March 24, 2010, 06:48:21 PM
Good luck in St. Louis to the perpetual victim.
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
more than anything it would make them relevant again
Absolutely, if I was a Rams fan I would actually probably really want this trade to go down. And if Atogwe is really part of the deal the Eagles should do it yesterday.
Quote from: smeags on March 24, 2010, 06:42:14 PM
so this safety is an rfa that hasnt signed the tender from the rams.
so he cant be traded.
Quote from: smeags on March 24, 2010, 07:29:24 PM
Quote from: smeags on March 24, 2010, 06:42:14 PM
so this safety is an rfa that hasnt signed the tender from the rams.
so he cant be traded.
sure he can as long as he can work out a contract with the birds.
McNabb is as good as gone. Reid would never openly admit to shopping him unless a deal was imminent.
He also reiterated that he is the starting QB and his #1 QB.
He said he's listening to offers on everyone.
Lets not make it seem like the discussion was solely about McNabb
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 24, 2010, 07:45:18 PM
McNabb is as good as gone. Reid would never openly admit to shopping him unless a deal was imminent.
i dont know about imminent but i totally agree...really mcnabb was gone in november when eskin came out of the closet and started ripping him...but reid comments say sooooo much
If only that fat tub of shtein was following him out the door...
jay get in the goddamn baseball draft
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2010, 07:53:48 PM
He also reiterated that he is the starting QB and his #1 QB.
He said he's listening to offers on everyone.
Lets not make it seem like the discussion was solely about McNabb
If you read between the lines it sure seems 5 is likely gone. Even Les Bowen was saying on DNL today that just by Reid saying that the odds of him being traded are very good. Bowen has said multiple times before this that he thought McNabb was likely to be back.
I get back and I see all this Rams talk about Mcnabb. Cracks me up.
Can someone explain to me why the Rams would give a huge multi-year contract with guarantees to Mcnabb when they are in rebuilding mode, with no receivers, no tight end...nothing. McNabb is a player that goes to a contender or he goes nowhere. He will not sign an extension with a loser squad, so the team going after him will not take him for 1 year and give up a 2nd rd pick in the process.
Two words.
Ticket. Sales.
Three words.
Sam. Bradford. Future.
Quote from: reese125 on March 24, 2010, 08:58:25 PM
I get back and I see all this Rams talk about Mcnabb. Cracks me up.
Can someone explain to me why the Rams would give a huge multi-year contract with guarantees to Mcnabb when they are in rebuilding mode, with no receivers, no tight end...nothing. McNabb is a player that goes to a contender or he goes nowhere. He will not sign an extension with a loser squad, so the team going after him will not take him for 1 year and give up a 2nd rd pick in the process.
Not a big fan of Reese, but yeah...he kind of hit the nail on the head, for a change here...
please girl
It could be they don't like Bradford and don't want to pay him #1 pick/QB money.
Its all rumor until a deal goes down but its more fun than talking about politics.
got that right
It may not be the Rams but it does seem like the Eagles are serious about moving him. McNabb has been Reid's boy from day 1 the fact he is even entertaining offers says something.
I think rebuilding is an overused term, I include myself on that. Just look out how quick the Dolphins and Falcons turned things around just 2 years ago. And they both probably would have been playoff teams last year if it wasn't for them having a bunch of injuries to key players.
Wouldn't the Cards be the ideal team? they are set at WR and RB and Dmac imo would fit there.
where did it say mcnabb is going to get a "huge" extension...hes gonna get some extra money over the next few years...wont be a ton...and he will more than pay for the contract in the interest he will attract in the team
no reason mcnabb plus steven jackson wont make st louis a legit squad...they could easily be as good as the eagles with that combo...that might be 8-8 but its still more than the laughing stock they have been
the day a mcnabb trade is made season ticket sales bump for them
That team could have a Tom Brady/Joe Montana/Peyton Manning love child QBing them and they wouldn't win 8 games next year. I don't even know if they have a defense.
you dont really watch the nfl but the league sucks
im not saying they will win 8...but it wouldnt even be remotely shocking if they did...especially in that division
try and digest this
McNabb, Amendola, Avery, and Gibson. done laughing?
8 wins baby!
Quote from: Butchers Bill on March 24, 2010, 09:15:08 PM
Its all rumor until a deal goes down but its more fun than talking about politics.
Yeah no doubt, this is the first interesting thing involving the Eagles all offseason.
They should sign Tra too. Make it a warm and fuzzy reunion.
Whoever lines up under center in STL is going to get smoked.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2010, 10:18:07 PM
They should sign Tra too. Make it a warm and fuzzy reunion.
Whoever lines up under center in STL is going to get smoked.
Tra should be taken out to pasture just like Trotter. :-*
Trot's still got it!
If by "it", you mean another RB blowing by him, then yes he's still got it.
first phreak drafts a terrible baseball team then he stubbornly and delusionaly continues this "im going down with the 5 ship" charade. poor guy. he is a lost soul.
anyway id trust what mclane is saying. hes good people. not reporting this on hear say for the sake of trying to get some page views and stir up trouble. his sources might have it wrong, sure. but id figure if hes gonna put something like this out there then theres probably a lot of truth behind it.
Quote from: reese125 on March 24, 2010, 09:57:07 PM
try and digest this
McNabb, Amendola, Avery, and Gibson. done laughing?
all excel in shoelace catches.
Quote from: KDS on March 25, 2010, 03:03:42 AM
first phreak drafts a terrible baseball team then he stubbornly and delusionaly continues this "im going down with the 5 ship" charade. poor guy. he is a lost soul.
anyway id trust what mclane is saying. hes good people. not reporting this on hear say for the sake of trying to get some page views and stir up trouble. his sources might have it wrong, sure. but id figure if hes gonna put something like this out there then theres probably a lot of truth behind it.
lol...you wish your team looked as good as mine.
So what you're saying is that McLane has the scoop over everyone, even the likes of Schefter, Mortenson and LaCanfora?
Mclane is good people.....ha
dude hasnt gotten one thing right since twitter opened up, not to mention him saying the rams were going to acquire him yesterday or the end of the week makes him even more horrible
hasn't mortenson proved multiple times before that he 's been dead wrong ?
plenty
he was going so downhill that he had to team up with Schefter to get his credibility back.
If i'm the Rams, i go for mcnabb by trading the 33rd, and draft Suh if hes still there
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 25, 2010, 09:00:17 AM
If i'm the Rams, i go for mcnabb by trading the 33rd
me too
Quote from: reese125 on March 25, 2010, 08:53:04 AM
plenty
he was going so downhill that he had to team up with Schefter to get his credibility back.
so then he may not be the best example to use to discredit mcclane ?
This all comes down to the shakey ownership in St Louis, and Spags/Shurmer. I'm sure they're pimping Donny hard, especially since he's a known commodity to them, and he can help them win immediately rather than Bradford who could be a high pick bust as often happens. I dont know why Mclane said by the weekend, because i can see this all going down draft day if need be, based on who's on the board for teams in the 1st.
if it took place draft weekend it would most likely be btwn draft days...ie late thrusday nite early friday...since this year you have a full 24 hrs btwn the 32nd and 33rd picks...i would imagine st louis would want to weigh their options after the first rounds ends
the problem for the eagles is that the 33rd is probably going to be the most sought after pick of the entire draft since every other team will be evalauting it to see if there is someone available that they wanna jump up and get
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 25, 2010, 09:26:13 AM
I dont know why Mclane said by the weekend, because i can see this all going down draft day if need be, based on who's on the board for teams in the 1st.
doesn't mcnabb have a roster bonus coming up soon ?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2010, 08:43:44 AM
Quote from: KDS on March 25, 2010, 03:03:42 AM
first phreak drafts a terrible baseball team then he stubbornly and delusionaly continues this "im going down with the 5 ship" charade. poor guy. he is a lost soul.
anyway id trust what mclane is saying. hes good people. not reporting this on hear say for the sake of trying to get some page views and stir up trouble. his sources might have it wrong, sure. but id figure if hes gonna put something like this out there then theres probably a lot of truth behind it.
lol...you wish your team looked as good as mine.
So what you're saying is that McLane has the scoop over everyone, even the likes of Schefter, Mortenson and LaCanfora?
i dont who that dago is on the end but hes not the kind of reporter who is gonna throw some shtein at a wall and hope it holds up for the sake of starting trouble or desperately trying to break something.
this looks like its not gonna go down but even so there was probably a lot of truth behind the rumor. or his source(s) farged him.
anyway the 5 countdown clock is officially on and it cant get to 000 fast enough. goodbye fatso.
$6.4 million in May Mcnabb is due smeags
Also, Im not sold on the Kolb train like the majority here. Call it a hunch whatever...but I just dont see this guy getting the job done and its just my opinion.
Im going on this because this is not your out-of-the-gates qb that has any/all these great mechanical or physical tools to at least make us believe he can lead a team to a title, and Im not all about the sit back wait and see approach like so many other here. Just because Reid took him in the 2nd (when he probably could of went in the 5th) doesnt make me believe anymore he is the guy...it actually makes me fear the opposite even more.
I've stated my disgust several times about Mcnabb, as he has had so many chances and blew it....but I would still, no matter how much it hurts to see, have a guy at the helm in the beginning of the season who is the better qb, has been there before, will not turn the ball over, and at least give me a "glimmer of hope" that if the eagles made it to a superbowl again they would have somewhat of a shot. I understand it may be time, but Im sorry Kevin Kolb just doesnt sit right with me. This to me is a classic "careful what you wish for" scenario....and Ill be happy to get bashed if Im dead wrong.
I don't think anyone is sold on Kolb. We haven't seen enough to be sold. We have seen plenty of McNabb and we're not sold on him.
Quote from: reese125 on March 25, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
Also, Im not sold on the Kolb train like the majority here. Call it a hunch whatever...but I just dont see this guy getting the job done and its just my opinion.
It isn't so much about the QB being Kolb as it is the QB not being McNabb.
i was always a mcnabb fan but i have seen enough.
Quote from: reese125 on March 25, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
$6.4 million in May Mcnabb is due smeags
Also, Im not sold on the Kolb train like the majority here. Call it a hunch whatever...but I just dont see this guy getting the job done and its just my opinion.
Im going on this because this is not your out-of-the-gates qb that has any/all these great mechanical or physical tools to at least make us believe he can lead a team to a title, and Im not all about the sit back wait and see approach like so many other here. Just because Reid took him in the 2nd (when he probably could of went in the 5th) doesnt make me believe anymore he is the guy...it actually makes me fear the opposite even more.
I've stated my disgust several times about Mcnabb, as he has had so many chances and blew it....but I would still, no matter how much it hurts to see, have a guy at the helm in the beginning of the season who is the better qb, has been there before, will not turn the ball over, and at least give me a "glimmer of hope" that if the eagles made it to a superbowl again they would have somewhat of a shot. I understand it may be time, but Im sorry Kevin Kolb just doesnt sit right with me. This to me is a classic "careful what you wish for" scenario....and Ill be happy to get bashed if Im dead wrong.
i hate to say it because you tried so hard...and i should have (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/didntread4gd.gif) but this could be the worst non munson post in months
you can replace kolb with being gay and you get the same point
or he could have simply said "i have no idea if cobb will be good or not but i dont think he will"
Watching you two critique someone's post is like watching Joan and Melissa Rivers critique someone's appearance at an awards show.
They just can't stand well-drawn out complete thoughts
If the paragrapgh doesn't contain munson, trailer, MA, or rip and run they get disheveled.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 25, 2010, 01:19:10 PM
Watching you two critique someone's post is like watching Joan and Melissa Rivers critique someone's appearance at an awards show.
Quote from: reese125 on March 25, 2010, 01:27:28 PM
They just can't stand well-drawn out complete thoughts
If the paragrapgh doesn't contain munson, trailer, MA, or rip and run they get disheveled.
:-D
I'm actively wishing death on myself after reading the last three pages.
iceholes.
Quote from: Rome on March 25, 2010, 04:42:25 PM
I'm actively wishing death on myself after reading the last three pages.
iceholes.
can i get your ticket if your wish comes true ?
I'm still waiting for you know who to send me the farging money for the first installment.
Quote from: Rome on March 25, 2010, 05:00:08 PM
I'm still waiting for you know who to send me the farging money for the first installment.
bwahahaha
Quote from: General_Failure on March 25, 2010, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 25, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
Also, Im not sold on the Kolb train like the majority here. Call it a hunch whatever...but I just dont see this guy getting the job done and its just my opinion.
It isn't so much about the QB being Kolb as it is the QB not being McNabb.
I don't see how people can't understand this.
DGunn is reporting that the Eagles have narrowed it down to 3 or 4 teams for trades for either McNabb or Kolb. He says that the Eagles don't want this to linger and want to get something done in the next week.
Pretty interesting DGunn seems to be pretty well in tune with the Eagles organization.
The predominant logic seems to be, since Reid isn't going anywhere, Donovan should because obviously the two can't get it done together. Time to move on and see what's next.
What's next is more of the same chuck & duck bullshtein we've seen for the last 10 years. The only difference is they're going to have a quarterback early in his career that can't outrun rampaging defenses who pin their ears back knowing the Eagles won't run the ball.
If Kolb lasts a full season under Reid it would be a farging miracle.
Rams
Raiders
Bills
Those seem to be the most talked about.
I could see the Vikings being a dark-horse team.
Or Jacksonville
I seriously have 100 dollar bet with my buddy that McNabb ends up in Oakland. I bet ten bucks to his hundred that it happens, so if I win, I get a c-note. If he wins, he gets a 10 dollar bill from my stinkpalm.
QuoteReport: Raiders in hottest pursuit of McNabb
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 3:55 PM ET
For more than two months, the Eagles played it coy regarding the possibility of trading quarterback Donovan McNabb, hoping for an offer they couldn't refuse.
And then when the offer never came, they needed a Plan B.
Plan B has unfolded far more haphazardly, with coach Andy Reid publicly acknowledging that offers have been made for McNabb and then smoldering rumors of a trade to the Rams becoming a report from Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer that the trade could happened by the end of the week, if not by the end of the day.
(The Rams strongly denied the report, and McLane has since backed off dramatically. But the damage may already have been done. We're hearing that McLane had been hoping to become the new Eagles beat writer for the Inquirer, replacing Bob Brookover, who now covers the Phillies. We're also hearing that the swing and the miss on the McNabb-to-Rams story may have kept that from happening.)
So if the Rams aren't doing a deal, which team will? Jason La Canfora of NFL.com reports that the Raiders are "in heaviest pursuit." Other possibilities are the Bills and Cardinals. (However, one media source with whom we spoke is convinced that Buffalo owner Ralph Wilson would never pay McNabb an eight-figure salary.)
Even though McNabb reportedly prefers Arizona to Buffalo or Oakland, the Raiders have shown that they're not afraid to trade for a reluctant player with only one year left on his contract. They did it last year with defensive end Richard Seymour, who now carries the exclusive level of the franchise tag.
So stay tuned. As explained in the latest edition of PFT Daily, we now think it's just a matter of time before the Eagles move McNabb.
Well Rome, you may get caked off.
And Todd - defend your boy here...
And when did Brookover take over the Phillies?!
Quote from: Diomedes on March 25, 2010, 06:06:55 PM
The predominant logic seems to be, since Reid isn't going anywhere, Donovan should because obviously the two can't get it done together. Time to move on and see what's next.
Sounds about right to me. Would have liked to see it be the other way around. Too late for that now.
QuoteFirst rumbles of McNabb-to-Raiders trade terms emerge
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 6:37 PM ET
Every once in a while, we develop a tipster who builds a track record of providing tips that end up being true.
And one of our latest tipsters who has been accurate with past tips (for the most part) has now given us a tip regarding the trade terms that possibly would send Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb to the Raiders.
Per the tip -- uncorroborated but nevertheless intriguing -- McNabb and cornerback Asante Samuel would go to Oakland, and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha would go to Philadelphia.
We don't know whether an offer of this nature has been made. We suspect that the Eagles would, at a minimum, want to replace Samuel with Sheldon Brown.
Anyway, stay tuned. This is all uncorroborated, but we know that our friends in Philly are desperate for information, and that our friends in Oakland are desperate for hope.
Uncorroborated but interesting.
Wow, if true.
Asomugha has an insane contract (not surprising, considering the team that signed it).
QuoteThe first two years, worth $28.5 million, are fully guaranteed. In the third year of the contract, if Oakland wants to keep Asomugha, it must pay him the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks or $16.875 million, whichever is higher.
Eagles better get a pick in that hypothetical.
Ummm, No.
this shtein is getting out of hand
cmon lets hear it....this is such a great deal...what are the eagles thinking....GET....hurry up.....
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 25, 2010, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on March 25, 2010, 06:06:55 PM
The predominant logic seems to be, since Reid isn't going anywhere, Donovan should because obviously the two can't get it done together. Time to move on and see what's next.
Sounds about right to me. Would have liked to see it be the other way around. Too late for that now.
While I kind of agree and am kinda with Sarge on the matter (Either way I'll go into the season thinking "okay"), I'd rather not see the offensive talent around the QB get wasted with someone who at the very least is a 50/50 shot of being a complete failure.
And as Rome said, unless Reid changes the way he runs the offense, Kolb is going to get murdered back there which will give him pretty much no chance of succeeding. At least we know McNabb can somewhat survive and win games in this zesty offense.
Getting Asomugha would be great, getting that contract not so much.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36044448/ (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36044448/)
Yet another report, though this seems reasonable.
The contact is nothing. The Raiders have already paid him a ton in bonus money. The Eagles would be on the hook for chump change for asomablahblah.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2010, 06:25:05 PM
QuoteReport: Raiders in hottest pursuit of McNabb
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2010 3:55 PM ET
For more than two months, the Eagles played it coy regarding the possibility of trading quarterback Donovan McNabb, hoping for an offer they couldn't refuse.
And then when the offer never came, they needed a Plan B.
Plan B has unfolded far more haphazardly, with coach Andy Reid publicly acknowledging that offers have been made for McNabb and then smoldering rumors of a trade to the Rams becoming a report from Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer that the trade could happened by the end of the week, if not by the end of the day.
(The Rams strongly denied the report, and McLane has since backed off dramatically. But the damage may already have been done. We're hearing that McLane had been hoping to become the new Eagles beat writer for the Inquirer, replacing Bob Brookover, who now covers the Phillies. We're also hearing that the swing and the miss on the McNabb-to-Rams story may have kept that from happening.)
So if the Rams aren't doing a deal, which team will? Jason La Canfora of NFL.com reports that the Raiders are "in heaviest pursuit." Other possibilities are the Bills and Cardinals. (However, one media source with whom we spoke is convinced that Buffalo owner Ralph Wilson would never pay McNabb an eight-figure salary.)
Even though McNabb reportedly prefers Arizona to Buffalo or Oakland, the Raiders have shown that they're not afraid to trade for a reluctant player with only one year left on his contract. They did it last year with defensive end Richard Seymour, who now carries the exclusive level of the franchise tag.
So stay tuned. As explained in the latest edition of PFT Daily, we now think it's just a matter of time before the Eagles move McNabb.
Well Rome, you may get caked off.
And Todd - defend your boy here...
And when did Brookover take over the Phillies?!
gelb and martino cover the phillies. gelb was added this season.
brookover and mclane did the beat last year and id assume will do it again this year. not sure what that is about. florio is a twat.
anyway obviously this isnt true and who knows why mclane reported it but id doubt it was a blind grab to try and break this. sometimes unconfirmed reports are wrong because they are unconfirmed reports.
haha ok just looked this up 4 hours later. martino left to cover the mets for the ny daily news. brookover is in clearwater either officially on the phils beat or filling in until they find someone (hi). also might i once again mention how farging easy it is to fall out of the loop 2000 miles away. jesus.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on March 25, 2010, 09:22:21 PM
The contact is nothing. The Raiders have already paid him a ton in bonus money. The Eagles would be on the hook for chump change for asomablahblah.
Quoteto keep Asomugha, it must pay him the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks or $16.875 million, whichever is higher.
that would not be chump change.
Contract restructuring is 100% guaranteed in any trade like that. Everyone just settle down.
Why does anyone care about the money? There's no cap, remember?
which means there is no salary floor
aside from maybe 2 teams in the free agency periood, teams are not in the mode of a spending spree...especially with the uncertainty of 2011 and the new CBA
and if Im not mistaken ( I have to double-check), teams dont have the ability to roll over their extra cap space from the previous season
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2010, 09:32:34 AM
Why does anyone care about the money? There's no cap, remember?
because the eagles pay by value. no way they are going to pay a cornerback QB money. besides that clause doesn't kick in until after 2010. he gets $14mil something next season.
rjs - you think there would be a restructure with the impending CBA negiciatiopns/possible strike ? something tells me the NFLPA would put a quick end to that.
I do think that there would be no trade without a restructure. But I also don't really care.
Quote from: smeags on March 26, 2010, 09:52:59 AM
no way they are going to pay a cornerback QB money.
#22 says hi.
More from McLane:
Quote
Vikings tops on McNabb's trade wish list
By Jeff McLane
Inquirer Staff Writer
If Donovan McNabb had his say, and he may very well have it, he would prefer to be traded to Minnesota.
After Andy Reid announced Wednesday that the Eagles were "entertaining offers" for all three of their quarterbacks, McNabb reiterated that he wants to remain in Philadelphia. But if the team were to ship its franchise quarterback elsewhere, the Vikings would be his first choice, according to sources close to the situation.
There are obstacles to this even remotely happening.
For one, the Vikings technically already have a starting quarterback in Brett Favre, and indications are that the 40-year-old is coming back for another season.
And even if Favre were to retire, a decision on his replacement isn't likely to be made until training camp - and the Eagles probably can't wait that long.
So in the meantime, the Eagles will solicit offers from other teams, most of whom McNabb has no desire to play for.
Citing a source, the Associated Press reported last night that in a trade for McNabb, the Eagles would not accept anything less than a top-42 pick in this year's draft.
Although he cannot veto a trade per se - there isn't a no-trade clause in his contract - he can refuse to negotiate a contract extension, and most teams wouldn't trade away draft picks or players unless they had McNabb locked up long-term.
McNabb, likewise, would want an extension. He is in the last year on his contract. But the 11-year veteran has reservations about playing for a losing team years from contending for a championship, according to the sources.
McNabb, who remains at his home in Arizona, is not talking about this matter. On Wednesday, however, he released a statement saying that he hoped "whichever direction the Eagles decide to go in, they do it quickly."
The Eagles and Rams had discussions, according to league sources, possibly involving St. Louis' second-round pick in exchange for McNabb. But those talks apparently have lost momentum for the time being. The Eagles had no comment and the Rams have issued a flat denial.
Oakland and Buffalo have inquired about McNabb, according to a Yahoo! Sports report. Reid said that he has received inquiries from teams not only about McNabb, but also about backup Kevin Kolb and third-stringer Michael Vick.
McNabb, though, appears to be the most likely to be dealt. If a deal were to be made, there is a large incentive to do it soon, considering that the college draft is fast approaching and McNabb is due a $6.2 million roster bonus on May 5.
Here's a look at the Eagles' most likely trade partners and whether McNabb might be willing to couple up with one those teams:
Vikings. Minnesota's recent success, its West Coast offense and the fact that McNabb once played under coach Brad Childress are all reasons why it would be the perfect match. Any discussion about a deal would be premature with Favre still in the picture.
49ers. San Francisco coach Mike Singletary has given Alex Smith the nod at quarterback, but that didn't stop the 49ers from acquiring David Carr, who previously backed up Eli Manning with the Giants. Neither quarterback could be labeled a winner.
McNabb would be open to a move to San Francisco, one source said. The 49ers, coming off an 8-8 season, do have two first-round draft picks (Nos. 13 and 16) and could use one to get him. But McNabb is unfamiliar with the 49ers' offense.
Panthers. When they released Jake Delhomme earlier this month, the Panthers seemingly had an opening at QB. But the team immediately promoted Matt Moore as the starter. That doesn't mean they aren't interested in McNabb. Carolina, though, doesn't have a first-round draft pick and may need as much to barter with the Birds.
St. Louis. The Rams probably won't make any final decisions about quarterback until they watch Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford work out on Monday. They hold the No. 1 overall pick in the draft and are believed to be interested in the former Heisman Trophy winner. If they aren't sold on Bradford they may look to McNabb.
McNabb hasn't completely ruled out the Rams, according to a source. But even the presence of his former quarterbacks coach, Pat Shumur, might not be enough to offset the fact that St. Louis is coming off a 1-15 season.
Bills. Buffalo coach Chan Gailey said at the owners' meetings that he was open to adding another quarterback, even though he already had three: Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Brian Brohm. McNabb, however, does not want to play for the Bills. The only way a deal could work would be if Buffalo was willing to take McNabb without an extension and a loyal Reid was willing to send his first draft pick to a dilapidated franchise.
Raiders. Coach Tom Cable said that JaMarcus Russell and Bruce Gradkowski would compete for the quarterback job. He didn't rule out a trade, but he's not the boss. Owner Al Davis is. He traded for Richard Seymour last year without giving him an extension. McNabb does not want to play for the Raiders and would Reid be that cruel?
There were several teams that could have been trade partners with the Eagles, but each one has apparently taken itself out of the bidding with off-season acquisitions. Cleveland signed Delhomme, Seattle brought in Charlie Whitehurst, and Arizona, which already has Matt Leinert, inked Derek Anderson to a contract.
Jacksonville, Washington and Denver are teams with shaky quarterbacks, but have the support of their coaches at least for now.
All things being equal, however, McNabb would rather be in Philadelphia.
"My position hasn't changed," McNabb wrote on his blog. "I've said all along that I would like to win a Super Bowl and finish my career in Philadelphia."
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 26, 2010, 09:58:26 AM
Quote from: smeags on March 26, 2010, 09:52:59 AM
no way they are going to pay a cornerback QB money.
#22 says hi.
$9mil is a far cry from the $14mil plus possible add' $4.7mil in incentives they'd have to pay this year and at least $16plus next or average of the top 5 qb's if greater.
but in reality it's a pointless debate because it isn't going to happen.
Hi, I'm new here. Are we talking about trading our franchise quarterback and a playmaking Pro Bowl corner for a younger, playmaking Pro Bowl corner? That sounds neat.
Quotebut in reality it's a pointless debate because it isn't going to happen.
and not to mention the deal is horrendous
so fred, did you decide to get the odyssey ?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2010, 10:18:34 AM
Hi, I'm new here. Are we talking about trading our franchise quarterback and a playmaking Pro Bowl corner for a younger, playmaking Pro Bowl corner? That sounds neat.
who are you again?
I like the trade, just get crazy al to throw in some picks
Let's not talk about my thrilling personal life. I would more like to figure out what the hell is going on with the Eagles.
Also, will PG sell me her season tickets if Kolb is the new starter? I need answers.
dammit fred i need answers on the vehicle. ;)
seriously though, i don't see this deal coming true, not how it stands right now anyway and that's assuming there's actually even been any real talk on it.
I just think its really cool that the Eagles higher-ups told the associated press that they want a top 42 pick for Mcnabb or the deal is off the table
Alright, I'm officially bored by this crap. Keep McNabb.
i'm bored with your boredom.
I still don't know who smeags is.
or what that avatar is
Quote from: Diomedes on March 26, 2010, 10:44:11 AM
I still don't know who smeags is.
smeags = sean_sec227
if that is an acronym for lord of the rings, then no I haven't.
(http://thecimmerian.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Elrond-Facepalm.jpg)
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 26, 2010, 10:21:56 AM
Let's not talk about my thrilling personal life. I would more like to figure out what the hell is going on with the Eagles.
Also, will PG sell me her season tickets if Kolb is the new starter? I need answers.
She already got rid of them.
wait, got rid of period or is letting someone else use them ?
Quote from: smeags on March 26, 2010, 11:16:10 AM
wait, got rid of period or is letting someone else use them ?
Sold them to some taterskins fans, who are themselves reselling the 7 tickets they won't be using. Probably.
that's criminal.
I hope she is selling them through an approved channel, like RazorGator. Else, she may no longer be allowed to urinate on her own hoagies at the Linc.
haaaa, that sounds like fun times.
MURP and I stopped being season ticket holders as of last season. I thought this was already known?
FF, welcome back.
i knew you stopped going but didnt know you gave the tickets up.
I had a dream last night that McNabb threw an interception in the endzone with the game tied with less than two minutes left and he starting crying. Balling like a little girl. I consoled him and told him he could do it. We stopped the other team, got the ball back at mid-field and threw a TD off a play action. It was on 1st down too. Next thing I knew, I was on an airplane about to attack the spaceship attacking the earth. I don't remember if I had my seatbelt on or not.
you should talk to resse's gay son
you should spell stuff right
jesus christ mds...I know youre trying your little heart out to be funny, but at least show the board some decency to switch up the lines or something
Sal Pal thinks that the Eagles' FO has messed this up. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=5030358)
I love insightful sports journalism. That's why I read the Brownsville Gazette daily.
Sal Pal is horrible. When was the last time he hit on anything?
Do flight attendants count?
I also love that if you look at the story I posted in this thread earlier from McLane, Sal Pal basically copied it word for word when it comes to the teams that could be factors.
murp and pg straight giving up eagle season tickets was the worst decision since hitler invaded russia
Truth.
well hello friend
I figured the likes of Sal Pal and Cataldi have been walking around with boners since this news has come out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
I figured the likes of Sal Pal Cataldi and IGY have been walking around with boners since this news has come out.
^ :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 26, 2010, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
I figured the likes of Sal Pal Cataldi and IGY have been walking around with boners since this news has come out.
Well, we all knew that.
And then there's this...
QuoteDonovan McNabb spoke to Andy Reid on Thursday to tell him of his preference to spend this year with Philadelphia, not Oakland or Buffalo.
from Schefter
QuoteDevaney upset Atogwe's name was floated
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 26, 2010 1:42 PM ET
OJ Atogwe.jpgOne reason that Rams G.M. Billy Devaney came out so strongly against the Donovan McNabb trade rumors was the inclusion of safety O.J. Atogwe's name.
Speaking on Bernie Miklasz's radio show, Devaney wasn't happy that Atogwe's name was mentioned. Devaney said the Rams are trying to sign Atogwe long-term, and they don't want any "bad rumors" to create collateral damage.
The floated rumors, then, were not just premature. They were ill-conceived.
Including Atogwe's name forced the Rams to dismiss the report publicly and potentially damaged the chances of a future trade.
QuoteMcNabb Agent: No Discussion of Teams
Finally, amidst all the smoke and mirrors, an actual source close to the situation has spoken.
Your Eagletarian just talked to Donovan McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith, who said he has no reason to believe a trade is imminent, and says there have been no conversations with the Eagles about which teams the quarterback would or would not prefer to be traded to.
"If we get to that bridge, we'll have to cross it," said Smith, who said his client is holding up well under the torrent of speculation.
Smith noted that McNabb has been at the center of the whirlwind before. "There's always something, every offseason."
Contrary to a Friday ESPN report, Smith said he did not believe McNabb had spoken recently with Eagles coach Andy Reid. Smith said that right now, there isn't that much for them to talk about. Smith also questioned whether Reid's coments this week, acknowledging that the Birds are listening to offers for all three of their quarterbacks, is the definite signal of a McNabb trade that everyone seems to have turned it into.
Smith said that "given the sensitivity of the situation" he hopes the Eagles talk to McNabb about his preferences before they trade him, if they trade him. "Donovan has been there a long time. I would think they would want to do right by him, reach out, tell him what their intentions are."
If the Eagles don't end up trading McNabb, after what is surely going to be a long spring of endless rumors, can No. 5 take the helm and lead the team as if nothing had ever happened?
"It can't be any more difficult than T.O.," Smith said.
True, that.
There is good reason to think Smith might be right about nothing happening right away. A team source confirmed that Eagles president Joe Banner remained in Florida for a little vacation time following this week's league meetings, and that Reid is doing the same in Utah. Of course, this isn't 1950, the principals don't have to be huddled around one phone in a conference room, but the most important trade of the Reid Era probably isn't going to be made while Andy's wading in a trout stream, or something.
not sure that means anything more than the trade rumors themselves.
At this point I'll be surprised if McNabb is wearing 'Midnight Green' or whatever they call that travesty next season.
i thought it was dark teal
KEEP MCNABB!
I've thought about this - specifically, and agonizingly - with every beer I've had tonight.
It makes no sense to trade McNabb. Even if they get a late first (and more so with a second or third) - are the Eagles any better than they were with McNabb? I get the "we know what he won't do" argument, but I don't get the "trade him because we know what he won't do" argument.
Right. No Super Bowls in the past 10 years. I lived it, with everyone else.
But, my opinion says that if McNabb is traded, the Eagles will not only NOT get to the Super Bowl in the next five (maybe ten) years, but they won't even sniff the same winning percentage or number of championship games that they did with McNabb in charge of the field.
The Birds have some exceptional young talent. The kind of talent that comes around once every 10 years or so at one time. I'd rather take the chance that Reid/McNabb could win it with these guys on the field than risk it with Kolb - a risk of being good or God awful bad - running the offense. One thing I can say with conviction - many teams have gone into the season with a QB that "should/could" be good, only to end up with a Marc Bulger, Alex Smith, David Carr, Matt Hasselback, Joey Harrington, Tony Romo, Chad Pennington, Jake Delhomme, Jay Cutler, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and JaMarcus Russell (plus I'm sure a few more) that has taken a team exactly nowhere.
My official opinion is that the Eagles should keep McNabb, extend him, and ride out his career and hope for the best. Because the 28 teams that haven't been to the playoffs more than the Eagles (Indy went 9 times in the 2000's compared to Philly's 8 trips) will tell you how difficult it is to be a playoff team year in and year out. You don't just plug in a Kolb and hope for the best. 26 other teams wish they had a McNabb.
to sum up:
i love mediocrity and being just not good enough! give me more!
Quote from: KDS on March 27, 2010, 01:08:08 AM
to sum up:
i love mediocrity and being just not good enough! give me more!
Because trading McNabb means they'll get better!
Or it means they have a better chance of, as Demon said, spending the next 5-10 years not even sniffing the playoffs.
The Eagles finally have young talent at WR, RB, and TE, and now's the time you want to start switching up QB's and plugging in guys that will at the very best get them exactly to where McNabb has gotten them in the past 10 years. And there's very little chance that "at the very best" happens when the stat line reads Kevin Kolb-43 att.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 27, 2010, 01:01:37 AM
It makes no sense to trade McNabb. Even if they get a late first (and more so with a second or third) - are the Eagles any better than they were with McNabb? I get the "we know what he won't do" argument, but I don't get the "trade him because we know what he won't do" argument.
The argument for replacing him is, or at least should be, that the offense cannot change with him in the lineup. Hoping for the best is, at this point, hoping for stagnation. I'm hoping for improvement, but I'll accept any movement. You say they're not likely to get someone better to play quarterback. That's fair, but they certainly won't get any better play from that position if they don't replace McNabb.
26 other teams might wish they had McNabb, but so far none of them has made a great offer to get him.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 27, 2010, 01:01:37 AM
26 other teams wish they had a McNabb.
not really. otherwise i'm sure that 1 of them would have put up a draft pick or 2 to get him by now.
the only legit team the eagles have a shot at working out a trade with is the vikes, but that won't happen because favre is going to wait until august to decide whether or not he wants to play this year. and i'm sure that the eagles want a 2010 draft pick for mcnabb, not a 2011 pick (that may or may not even play depending on the status of the cba).
if the eagles ever had any real interest in trading mcnabb, they should have been on the phone with arizona before they signed derrick anderson. there isn't a qb in the league who wouldn't want to throw the ball in that offense to those players. not to mention that mcnabb lives in zona anyway so it would be a great move for him personally too.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 27, 2010, 01:17:44 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on March 27, 2010, 01:01:37 AM
It makes no sense to trade McNabb. Even if they get a late first (and more so with a second or third) - are the Eagles any better than they were with McNabb? I get the "we know what he won't do" argument, but I don't get the "trade him because we know what he won't do" argument.
The argument for replacing him is, or at least should be, that the offense cannot change with him in the lineup. Hoping for the best is, at this point, hoping for stagnation. I'm hoping for improvement, but I'll accept any movement. You say they're not likely to get someone better to play quarterback. That's fair, but they certainly won't get any better play from that position if they don't replace McNabb.
26 other teams might wish they had McNabb, but so far none of them has made a great offer to get him.
This pretty much the only reason I'll have any hope with McNabb gone. That it somehow changes the dynamics of the offense/the way Reid runs it.
mcnabb stinks
end of story
i dont really get the rest of you
Quote from: Munson on March 27, 2010, 01:12:24 AM
Quote from: KDS on March 27, 2010, 01:08:08 AM
to sum up:
i love mediocrity and being just not good enough! give me more!
Because trading McNabb means they'll get better!
Or it means they have a better chance of, as Demon said, spending the next 5-10 years not even sniffing the playoffs.
The Eagles finally have young talent at WR, RB, and TE, and now's the time you want to start switching up QB's and plugging in guys that will at the very best get them exactly to where McNabb has gotten them in the past 10 years. And there's very little chance that "at the very best" happens when the stat line reads Kevin Kolb-43 att.
good lord its the same conversation over and over again
he had talent from 00-04 and didnt get it done. he had talent the last two years and didnt get it done. he had talent on 06 and hurt his wittle ankle and garcia got it done before andy and scott peters farged him.
what part arent you getting. 5 isnt gonna get it done. you can give him the 85 bears defense and andre johnson and larry fitz on the outside and hed still got 11-5 and lose in the divison round.
if there ever was a time to change up it would be now. 5 has is due a bonus. 5 has 1 year left on his deal. the eagles dont have a good defense. the eagles have good young talent that they can keep in tact. see if kolb can do it. if he sucks you have a top pick in the draft or you go out and get someone. you build the defense. they both, hopefully, reach their high points in 2 years when pimp, maclin and shady are legends. hello superbowl.
look at what the packers did. they cut their loses with favre and gave the ball to rodgers. 08 was a wash but 09 was great and they are most definitely a contender this year. is kolb as good as rodgers? i dont know. oh wait munson does! oh well then. 5 it is. munson knows.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2010, 01:43:53 AM
mcnabb stinks, DLine stinks, LB's really stink, DB's stink
end of story
i dont really get the rest of you
i love the "be awful for 10 years argument"
nobody is bad for long in the nfl with just mediocre drafting and talent evaluation. the raiders, bills, etc are awful because they are awful top to bottom. but all the sudden trading a choke artist quarterback means they won't make the playoffs for the next decade.
Quote from: Don Ho on March 27, 2010, 04:28:14 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2010, 01:43:53 AM
mcnabb stinks, DLine stinks, LB's really stink, DB's stink
end of story
i dont really get the rest of you
true...which is even more reason he should be moved
QuoteOver the past few days, we've been sharing and reacting to the many reports regarding the status of Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, a process that was sparked when coach Andy Reid said on Tuesday that other teams are "entertaining us with offers" regarding McNabb. Several of the reports from others in the media are a bit inconsistent, to say the least.
Our only original reporting in this regard focused on the fact that a Rams source privately said there was "no truth" to the report of an imminent trade for McNabb, several hours before G.M. Billy Devaney went on the record with Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and said that the report was in fact "utterly ridiculous" and "absolutely false." (We also posted an uncorrborated tip that the Raiders were considering an offer of cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha for McNabb and cornerback Asante Samuel; the tip was partially corroborated by Len Pasquarelli of ESPN.com.)
Now, we've got some more.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Eagles are receiving offers from teams that have not been identified publicly at the request of the teams making the offers. This is happening for two reasons: (1) some of the teams have incumbent starting quarterbacks who would be confused, to say the least, if they learned that McNabb could be joining the club; and (2) none of the teams want fans or the media to know that they are courting McNabb, in the event that they fail to land him.
This doesn't explain the fact that the Bills, Rams, and Raiders have been named as potential trade partners. According to the source, however, the Eagles have disclosed to no one the names of the teams with whom they are or aren't talking.
We initially believed that Jeff McLane's erroneous report that McNabb could be a Ram by the end of the week was the Eagles themselves, who were floating a phony rumor in the hopes of sending a "speak now or forever hold your piece/peace" vibe to other interested teams. Based on our source, McLane apparently had a different source.
It's possible that McLane's source was McNabb himself, or agent Fletcher Smith. (McLane's subsequent report that McNabb prefers playing for the Vikings suggests he has a pipeline into the McNabb camp.) This approach by McNabb would allow him to push the issue to a head without pulling a Jay Cutler and openly demanding a trade.
The McLane report isn't the only nugget that might not reflect reality. ESPN's Sal Paolantonio says that no one is willing to offer more than a third-round pick. But as our source pointed out, "Has he talked to every team and have they told him their offer?"
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that McNabb told coach Andy Reid that he preferred staying put to joining the Bills or the Raiders, and McNabb's agent thereafter said that McNabb has said nothing to the team. Though it's possible that the agent is speaking with a sporked tongue, the discrepancy has largely been ignored.
Finally, the Associated Press reported that the Eagles want the 42nd pick or higher in the 2010 draft. (And, of course, the AP report was taken as gospel truth because the AP has never been wrong.) Said the source, "Does anyone really believe the Eagles would pick such a random number and draw a line in the sand?" We're told that something higher than this reported threshold already has been offered. The source believes that the "42 or higher" requirement was leaked by one or more other teams in order to frame the value -- and possibly to create local pressure on the Eagles, many of whose fans generally are anxious, to say the least, to see McNabb get run out of town.
As we understand it, the Eagles have received a variety of offers, with draft picks only and players only and players and picks. We're told that the Eagles have never placed an asking price on McNabb. Instead, they're doing exactly what we reported in early March that they'd do -- sitting back and waiting for the offers to come and evaluating them at the appropriate time.
As we also understand it, the Eagles soon will review the proposals and decide whether to pursue any of them.
Though we'll continue to post reports from other folks who follow the NFL for a living, it's important to keep this broader context in mind. We'll try to do so; we encourage you to do the same."
I read that earlier that is probably the best article that has been out there since this whole shteinstorm started.
No link, no shoes, no service.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 27, 2010, 12:41:27 PM
No link, no shoes, no service.
it is from profootballtalk.com
Isn't that basically the TMZ of the NFL?
insofar as everyone in entertainment reads TMZ, yeah
im guessing one of those teams in the skins. now i would love that just for the media hype surrounding it but would those 2 teams really be willing to make a trade of this magnitude?
otherwise....maybe we're looking at seattle, miami, minuscule shot at the jets, kc, cinci and bmore. otherwise possibly teams have been mentioned.
explain to me how any of those teams you just mentioned would even remotely want mcnabb with their current qb situation and the system they run? Im all ears.
ok
dc - new gm and coach, idiot owner, maybe they dont think campbell can get it done and have a 4-5 year plan to win and figure mcnabb is the qb to do it
cinci- epic fail from palmer in the playoffs, silly management and ownership that might be willing to do that
jets- sb caliber defense, sanchez not good enough yet, mcnabb comes in and tutors him and they win
kc- cassel sucks but then again so does that team
bmore- sb caliber team but mediocre qb. mcnabb familiar with harbaugh.
out of all of those dc and bmore make the most sense. obviously bmore would be a more likely spot. its not like joe flacco is lighting up the world.
dc--eagles will not trade him to same division
cinci--palmer isnt going anywhere and is still their franchise qb, and younger than mcnabb
jets--1st rd pick on sanchez and took them deep into playoffs, not to mention they are did their experiment with favre--wont do it again
kc--way too much invested in cassel
bmore--flacco is their franchise qb, did incredible for a rookie, took a natural step back sophomore yr, but only because they had nothing on the outside to throw to beside a 40 yr old in Mason, and was injured majority of the season
and keep in mind, the offensive system ran is very important when taking in a veteran qb. favre even admitted he had the worst time with that jets playbook and was second guessing himself weekly
why the farg would baltimore want mcnabb...flacco is better than mcnabb right now...forget the fact hes young
My sources say New Orleans and Indy are dark horses.
Quote from: SunMo on March 27, 2010, 09:21:19 AM
i love the "be awful for 10 years argument"
nobody is bad for long in the nfl with just mediocre drafting and talent evaluation. the raiders, bills, etc are awful because they are awful top to bottom. but all the sudden trading a choke artist quarterback means they won't make the playoffs for the next decade.
I didn't say "be awful for 10 years" or say "won'tmake the playoffs for the next decade." I said:
Quote from: Father Demon on March 27, 2010, 01:01:37 AM
But, my opinion says that if McNabb is traded, the Eagles will not only NOT get to the Super Bowl in the next five (maybe ten) years, but they won't even sniff the same winning percentage or number of championship games that they did with McNabb in charge of the field.
which isn't far-fetched at all.
In the past ten years, only three teams have not been to the playoffs (Buffalo, Houston, and Detroit), so of course it is very likely the Eagles get back to the playoffs during the next decade with or without McNabb. Fourteen different teams have been to the Super Bowl, so at least mathematically it's about a 50-50 shot they return. Seven different teams have won the Super Bowl during the decade. If you scale that back to the past five years (as I mentioned), eight teams have made it, with four different teams winning it. It's not way-out-there thinking that the Eagles don't get there again with a new quarterback. Which is what I said.
Also, I said:
Quote from: Father Demon on March 27, 2010, 01:01:37 AM
26 other teams wish they had a McNabb.
I didn't say they wish they had McNabb. My inference was that there are 26 teams out there that wish they had a QB of his caliber that has taken the team to the playoffs more than every other NFL team but one.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2010, 03:09:50 PM
why the farg would baltimore want mcnabb...flacco is better than mcnabb right now...forget the fact hes young
you keep forgetting only eagles fans know the real 5. everyone else thinks hes a legend. teams might be dumb to enough to pull the trigger not knowing what they are getting.
No.
the eagles signed mike vick. you have no idea what any of those teams are thinking. its not out of the realm of possibility that some team like bmore says farg it lets go for it and tries to get 5 for the right price.
im not suggesting its going to happen, just saying considering what that article said perhaps the ravens fit into that category
Quote from: rjs246 on March 27, 2010, 03:13:49 PM
My sources say New Orleans and Indy are dark horses.
My source says New England, and he can beat up your source.
Is it possible to beat up fictional characters?
I don't see why not.
Good, then we're all on the same page here.
Except our sources, who are now shirtless and grappling.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 27, 2010, 04:09:17 PM
Is it possible to beat up fictional characters?
I assumed the source was your dog's eye boogers. You can read them like tea leaves.
I swear to God I want him traded for no other reason than so when I log on here I won't see this thread at the top of the queue anymore.
Quote from: KDS on March 27, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
ok
dc - new gm and coach, idiot owner, maybe they dont think campbell can get it done and have a 4-5 year plan to win and figure mcnabb is the qb to do it
cinci- epic fail from palmer in the playoffs, silly management and ownership that might be willing to do that
jets- sb caliber defense, sanchez not good enough yet, mcnabb comes in and tutors him and they win
kc- cassel sucks but then again so does that team
bmore- sb caliber team but mediocre qb. mcnabb familiar with harbaugh.
out of all of those dc and bmore make the most sense. obviously bmore would be a more likely spot. its not like joe flacco is lighting up the world.
after posting this, you really have no leg to stand on when it comes to insulting reese, cole, munson etc.
dc - as already stated, the eagles are not trading mcnabb to a division rival.
cinci - if palmer is a playoff failure, then replacing him with mcnabb would be like using the hindenburg to bring the titanic survivors to safety.
jets - you don't start a rookie qb for the entire season, go to the conf champ game with him and then bench him.
kc - so horrible right now, especially at o-line, it's hard to tell what type of qb cassell is. regardless, they invested a lot in him and aren't going to replace him after 1 season.
bal - this might be the dumbest one of all.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 27, 2010, 06:14:20 PM
cinci - if palmer is a playoff failure, then replacing him with mcnabb would be like using the hindenburg to bring the titanic survivors to safety.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 27, 2010, 06:14:20 PM
Quote from: KDS on March 27, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
ok
dc - new gm and coach, idiot owner, maybe they dont think campbell can get it done and have a 4-5 year plan to win and figure mcnabb is the qb to do it
cinci- epic fail from palmer in the playoffs, silly management and ownership that might be willing to do that
jets- sb caliber defense, sanchez not good enough yet, mcnabb comes in and tutors him and they win
kc- cassel sucks but then again so does that team
bmore- sb caliber team but mediocre qb. mcnabb familiar with harbaugh.
out of all of those dc and bmore make the most sense. obviously bmore would be a more likely spot. its not like joe flacco is lighting up the world.
after posting this, you really have no leg to stand on when it comes to insulting reese, cole, munson etc.
dc - as already stated, the eagles are not trading mcnabb to a division rival.
cinci - if palmer is a playoff failure, then replacing him with mcnabb would be like using the hindenburg to bring the titanic survivors to safety.
jets - you don't start a rookie qb for the entire season, go to the conf champ game with him and then bench him.
kc - so horrible right now, especially at o-line, it's hard to tell what type of qb cassell is. regardless, they invested a lot in him and aren't going to replace him after 1 season.
bal - this might be the dumbest one of all.
i keep forgetting how farging smart everyone is
these are minuscule, very unlikely trade partners for 5. the article said a couple teams are into him but are leaving their teams out. so here are some far fetched ideas as to who those teams might be. perhaps kc is way too far fetched, ill give you that.
the fact is the eagles signed mike vick. the phillies traded roy halladay for cliff lee. the pats traded drew bledsoe to the bills. we have no idea what these teams are taking about or what will happen. so we speculate and bla bla bla comment when stuff goes down.
QuoteBut would the Niners be willing to part with that hand in favor of a proven commodity like Donovan McNabb?
With the landscape of the NFC West changing - Kurt Warner and Anquan Boldin out in Arizona; a new regime under Pete Carroll in Seattle and a rebuilding Rams team in St. Louis - the belief is that the division is there for the taking. San Francisco has playmakers in receiver Michael Crabtree, tight end Vernon Davis and running back Frank Gore. The Niners also boast a good defense.
So could a deal be struck between the Eagles and Niners? If so, at what cost?
Though the 49ers have two first-round choices in next month's draft, Sando wonders if the Niners could acquire McNabb from the Eagles for, say, a second-round choice in the 2010 draft?
Writes Sando: "The 49ers already have two first-round choices. They could draft the offensive tackle they need and still get a potential starter at another position. The Eagles already have an extra third-round choice. An additional second-rounder would leave them with five choices in the first three rounds, tied with the Browns for the most in the league.
"Let's look at this deal from an NFC West perspective. Would the Cardinals, Seahawks and Rams rather face the 49ers with McNabb or the 49ers with Smith and whichever player San Francisco drafted in the second round? I think they'd rather take their chances with Smith and the 2010 second-rounder.
Interesting fit but do the birds deal him within the conference? For a 1st rounder - Hell yes.
Quote from: Father Demon on March 27, 2010, 01:01:37 AM
But, my opinion says that if McNabb is traded, the Eagles will not only NOT get to the Super Bowl in the next five (maybe ten) years, but they won't even sniff the same winning percentage or number of championship games that they did with McNabb in charge of the field.
pretty ballsy predicition there
my predicition is that they will have a horrible winning % and will only be in one superbowl in the next five years but they will win it
With Kevin Kolb as the QB?
it was a tongue n cheek comment meant to make a point....but congrats for going to bed with 5
please dont try and be funny unless youre making fun of munson
anyway im pretty sure phreak is the only person who thinks 5 can a bowl. meanwhile no one knows if kolb can win a bowl. so...why not roll the dice. think of it like vegas, phreak. mcnabb is the 00 green. kolb is you closing your eyes and picking a random spot on the board. it might be black, a 50/50 shot. it might be 1 or 2 or 33. WE DONT KNOW!!!!!
No.
I know McNabb is able to win a SB. He's definitely good enough. He just needs the FO to help him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 28, 2010, 12:25:03 AM
No.
I know McNabb is able to win a SB. He's definitely good enough. He just needs the FO to help him.
oh phreak...so young.
there is no gettin through so im not gonna bother. all i can do is try to cake off your delusion. if 5 is back next year and if he gets an extension, you name the price and well go.
you saw j with trotter and mcnabb is a much better player than him so what do you think is going on now
i know i feel for him. hes a good guy and doesnt deserve this. but i cant help but think this is easy $.
We'll bet if they bring him back and extend his deal.
My argument is still the same...
Proven NFL QB for years
still in his prime
not aided by his pass happy coach and OC
not given playmakers until recently
Trade Kolb, address the OL and defense.
Super Bowl City Bayyyyyybeee
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 28, 2010, 12:42:16 AM
Proven NFL QB for years - true
still in his prime - false
not aided by his pass happy coach and OC - excuse
not given playmakers until recently - excuse
Super Bowl City Bayyyyyybeee - die
You're crazy if you think he is no longer in his prime. Dude is 33 years old. Thats still a young buck in QB years.
Excuse my ass about the pass happiness and no playmaking help. You know the numbers and scenarios and players they've run through town since '99.
They throw all day when 5 is the QB...when he gets hurt they balance it out.
They draft and or sign garbage assed role players, some of whom could not crack rosters on other teams.
There's 5 QBs right now in the NFL that have won SBs.
Brady
Manning
Manning
Rapersburger
Brees
shtein ain't easy unless you build a damn team the right way. This is the prime opportunity to get after it and bring a SB here but what are they doing? CUTTING millions not adding it.
how many qb's are there in the nfl right now that have made five conf. championships and won no superbowls
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2010, 12:53:53 AM
how many NFL Headcoaches are there in the nfl right now that have made five conf. championships and won no superbowls
hey look....that works too. Amazing.
andy reid dont play idiot
5 and 5 chances to get it done and didnt do it. how farging vapid are you.
I'd say the coach and his game plan/the GM and the players he surrounds his franchise QB with play just as, if not a more important role.
Lol at you at giving Kolb a 50% chance of being able to get to or win a SB with the current system. Jeff Garcia couldn't do it. Donovan McNabb couldn't do it. But Kevin Kolb might!
Baltimore, lol.
Quote from: KDS on March 28, 2010, 12:01:34 AM
the phillies traded roy halladay for cliff lee
Why am I always the last to find out?
i wish i could have the type of optimism that phreak has. 10 years ago i did. maybe even as recently as 5 years ago i did. but any optimism i've had about this team has been painstakingly beaten out of me over the years.
and the thing about it is that i don't even disagree with phreak in the sense that mcnabb "could" win a superbowl "if" the front office gave him all the right players and "if" reid called a solid game and knew how to make in game adjustments.
that's a lot of coulds and ifs and they are all out of mcnabb's control.
the front office isn't going to change and reid isn't suddenly going to wake up and be a different coach, just like mcnabb isn't going to suddenly stop throwing worm burners.
this isn't just about mcnabb. i think there are very few people here who don't think mcnabb "could" win a super bowl under the right circumstances. trent dilfer proved that to be possible. however, you can't ignore the fact that mcnabb plays on a team that has failed to give him all of the pieces he needs to win it all.
i know beyond a shadow of a doubt that lurie is not going to spend what it takes to put together a complete team. it's been proven over the last decade. do you really think he would have signed t.o. for market value? t.o. was dramatically underpaid at 7yrs/49mil. and once he wanted more money, he was jettisoned from this team faster than igy can get to happy hour at friday's. and the lack of a cba next year is even more of an excuse for him not to spend the money this year (not that there's been a litter of difference makers available anyway).
so since we absolutely know beyond a shadow of a doubt that mcnabb cannot with on this team because of the glaring holes at certain positions and because of the horrible play calling, then why not move on? we know what mcnabb can't do but we have no idea what kolb can do. might as well find that out now.
i dont even know that you can say mcnabb "could" win a ring...you usually reserve that kind of thinking for people who have an unknown value to them....mcnabb has been given a thousand chances to win...six god damn champoionship games...if he could win one he would have imo....the evidence is overwhelming that he CANT win it
Bottom line is I look forward way too much to a new football season. I dont want to go in with a developmental qb, when they already have a top 10-15 qb right there. Many of you might want to see this, but as long as Reid is the coach you might was well have a guy thats knows the system in and out and taken the team to a superbowl before..no matter the pain it may cause. You never know what can happen in any given season. Hell, John Elway was getting ran out of town by the fans and choked his ass off multiple times before he won it at age 37....then his legacy was made. Though the 2 qb's may be different, their careers and numbers are way too similar.
Reid is not going to change his philosophy when he has a new qb that threw the ball 50 times a game in Houston-whether you want to believe it or not.
Quote from: reese125 on March 28, 2010, 11:46:06 AM
when they already have a top 10-15
your standards need some raising
as for reid i hated andy before hating andy was in vogue...i hated him in 2002-3....and on a season by season basis he has faults as a coach that probably surpass mcnabbs as a qb...but when you break it down to the championship games its virtually all on mcnabb...he has come up miniscule in all those games...and because of that at the end of the day donovan is the reason they havent won a title..not andy
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2010, 11:36:02 AM
i dont even know that you can say mcnabb "could" win a ring...you usually reserve that kind of thinking for people who have an unknown value to them....mcnabb has been given a thousand chances to win...six god damn champoionship games...if he could win one he would have imo....the evidence is overwhelming that he CANT win it
i agree and disagree at the same time
2001 - mcnabb and the team as a whole kind of overachieved that year and lost to a great rams team, in st louis but did play a pretty damn good game.
2002 - this one was tough to swallow as the eagles had owned the bucs in previous matchups. i think the obvious difference maker was gruden on the sidelines for tampa. he's owned reid in the few times they've coached against each other. not to mention that mcnabb was just coming back from his broken leg and clearly wasn't himself.
2003 - an abomination of a game in every aspect. mcnabb sucked balls, the receivers were manhandled and the defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd down.
2004 - i put a lot of the super bowl loss on mcnabb. 3 ints and the lack of urgency in the 2min offense was painful to watch. puking didn't help either. however, this was obviously the best chance for the eagles to win it all and i think that if those eagles and pats teams played each other 10 times, they'd probably come close to splitting. either 5-5 or 6-4 in favor of the pats. too bad you only get 1 shot.
2008 - first the defense couldn't get a stop. then mcnabb couldn't miss a receiver for about a qtr and a half. then the defense couldn't hold the lead. then mcnabb couldn't hit a wide open hank baskett in the middle of the field. mcnabb isn't the only reason they lost that game, but he had the ball in his hands with enough time to move down field and win the game and his (in)accuracy issues cost them a shot at the winning score.
i say that mcnabb "could" win a super bowl but it would absolutely require him to play for a team with a suffocating defense that can hold it down for those 3 or 4 consecutive possessions during a game when mcnabb couldn't hit the biggest iceberg in the ocean if he were the titanic. but that brings me back to my original point.....the front office is never ever ever going to spend the money it would take to assemble the type of team it would take for mcnabb to win a super bowl. so why not cut ties and everyone move on?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 28, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2010, 11:36:02 AM
i dont even know that you can say mcnabb "could" win a ring...you usually reserve that kind of thinking for people who have an unknown value to them....mcnabb has been given a thousand chances to win...six god damn champoionship games...if he could win one he would have imo....the evidence is overwhelming that he CANT win it
i agree and disagree at the same time
2001 - mcnabb and the team as a whole kind of overachieved that year and lost to a great rams team, in st louis but did play a pretty damn good game.
2002 - this one was tough to swallow as the eagles had owned the bucs in previous matchups. i think the obvious difference maker was gruden on the sidelines for tampa. he's owned reid in the few times they've coached against each other. not to mention that mcnabb was just coming back from his broken leg and clearly wasn't himself.
2003 - an abomination of a game in every aspect. mcnabb sucked balls, the receivers were manhandled and the defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd down.
2004 - i put a lot of the super bowl loss on mcnabb. 3 ints and the lack of urgency in the 2min offense was painful to watch. puking didn't help either. however, this was obviously the best chance for the eagles to win it all and i think that if those eagles and pats teams played each other 10 times, they'd probably come close to splitting. either 5-5 or 6-4 in favor of the pats. too bad you only get 1 shot.
2008 - first the defense couldn't get a stop. then mcnabb couldn't miss a receiver for about a qtr and a half. then the defense couldn't hold the lead. then mcnabb couldn't hit a wide open hank baskett in the middle of the field. mcnabb isn't the only reason they lost that game, but he had the ball in his hands with enough time to move down field and win the game and his (in)accuracy issues cost them a shot at the winning score.
i say that mcnabb "could" win a super bowl but it would absolutely require him to play for a team with a suffocating defense that can hold it down for those 3 or 4 consecutive possessions during a game when mcnabb couldn't hit the biggest iceberg in the ocean if he were the titanic. but that brings me back to my original point.....the front office is never ever ever going to spend the money it would take to assemble the type of team it would take for mcnabb to win a super bowl. so why not cut ties and everyone move on?
i agree with just about all that...except the end where you say they wont or didnt assemble a team that could win it all...they had numerous teams that could even should have won it all...and they didnt get it done...to me thats on the "leader"
i think the 2004 team was the only real "complete" team the eagles had that could/should have won a championship. the 2002 and 2003 teams probably should have at least made the super bowl since they were the most dominant team in the nfc during that period, but i don't know if they could have won a title. in 2002, the raiders won it all and i believe it was earlier that year that they put an old school ass whooping on the eagles in philly. it should be noted that gruden coached that raiders team.
2003 the eagles would have been facing the patriots, but without owens which would not bode well in their favor. the one thing i loved about that 03 team though was that was the year of the 3 headed monster at running back, which might have been a huge difference maker against that pats team.
of course, this is all speculation. what i do know though, is that those teams were weak against the run, mostly due to being weak at linebacker. and they were also sporting one of the worst starting wr tandems in league history. they were successful against a very weak nfc for a few years but their record against quality afc teams was putrid and i can't say that i have any reason to believe they would have fared any better against the raiders or pats in the super bowl.
The Raiders won in 2002?
should have read "would have won it all".....had they played the eagles in the super bowl that is.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 28, 2010, 12:07:55 PM
i think the 2004 team was the only real "complete" team the eagles had that could/should have won a championship. the 2002 and 2003 teams probably should have at least made the super bowl since they were the most dominant team in the nfc during that period, but i don't know if they could have won a title. in 2002, the raiders won it all and i believe it was earlier that year that they put an old school ass whooping on the eagles in philly. it should be noted that gruden coached that raiders team.
2003 the eagles would have been facing the patriots, but without owens which would not bode well in their favor. the one thing i loved about that 03 team though was that was the year of the 3 headed monster at running back, which might have been a huge difference maker against that pats team.
of course, this is all speculation. what i do know though, is that those teams were weak against the run, mostly due to being weak at linebacker. and they were also sporting one of the worst starting wr tandems in league history. they were successful against a very weak nfc for a few years but their record against quality afc teams was putrid and i can't say that i have any reason to believe they would have fared any better against the raiders or pats in the super bowl.
2004 defense wasnt near complete
their best team was 2002 when they lost to tampa...they definitely should have won the superbowl that year
maybe if they gave donovan some help that year, they would have.
so now youre saying all he needed was help. not because he sucks so bad, but just that he needed help. lets stick to one point and run with it.
but Im sure now you'll say that youre being sarcastic
Quote from: KDS on March 28, 2010, 02:45:20 PM
maybe if they gave donovan some help that year, they would have.
ha
Reese I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
But the idiot is still correct. Yes, Donovan McNabb should have won the Super Bowl with Todd Pinkston and James Thrash. Kevin Kolb might have!
FTR, the pass-run number for that game: 49 passes, 21 rushes. They were running at a 3.8 YPC clip, and the only touchdown of the game was a Duce Staley rush, I believe.
Yet they threw the ball 70% of the time. With a QB not known for his accuracy. With perennial #3 James Thrash and 1 trick pony Todd Pinkston at WR.
You were right IGY, that is totally on the leader. Andy Reid.
Wasn't that the year that Levon Kirkland and Blaine Bishop were covering Joe Jerivicious? :boom
Anyone who thinks the eagles would have even MADE the playoffs without McNabb those years is out of their everloving mind.
HE was the reason they were as good as they were. Had he been given a shred of a WR (from his GM) and an ounce of playcalling BASICS (from his HC)...he'd have his Super Bowl.
He threw up on the field..in the biggest game of his life...and proceeded to throw a INT to end the game. There is no doubt he's the reason why there are where they are as a franchise over the past 10 years, but he isnt a big game player, and has proven that multiple times. Sure his coach sucks in those same situations, but he's never good enough to rise above that. Time for a new start
i keep forgetting the legends tom brady played with, the hall of famers on the bucs, even the amazing wrs elway had in 97 and 98.
brad johnson
jake delhomme
they beat 5 in his house in the nfc title games. hellllo.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 28, 2010, 09:01:14 PM
HE was the reason they were as good as they were.
Agreed. Too bad that is no longer true, though. Time to move on.
how is it possible to give mcnabb all the credit for getting to championship games but not the reason they didnt win
either hes a great qb and he wins a ring or hes a good qb who chokes
i mean why isnt the only reason they made the playoffs all those years andy reid?
Why is Mcnabb the only, or even the biggest, reason why they lost?
Answer: He isn't.
lol...hes the quarterback
hank fraley isnt to blame thats for sure
Andy Reid and lack of surrounding offensive talent certainly are.
so who gets the credit for making six title games
You do realize that guys can both get credit for doing good things and be blamed for the terrible things they do, right?
70% pass in the NFC championship game. With Duce and Westbrook on your roster. Running at a 3.8 YPC clip. Against one of the toughest defenses around. That must be McNabbs fault.
1-6 in championship games
even jim kelly was 5-5 in those games
i keep forgetting how little the saints ran last year and how little the patriots ran in 07. yet the reason the eagles lost 4 nfc title games and and superbowl is because andy made donovan throw all the time to crappy receivers.
oh i see.
donovans coach asks him to complete to many passes
how dare a qb actually make completions
well its not his fault. he played amazing to get them there and then andy calling 1000 passing plays and his receivers being james trash and todd pinkston, what could he do?
the fact is 5 could only get them so far before the shortcomings of those around him came out. and in some sort of cruel coincidence, it was always in the nfc championship game.
Quote from: KDS on March 29, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
and in some sort of cruel coincidence, it was always in the nfc championship game.
lol
the best qb ever made seven title games and then lost them all because of the worst coach and surrounding cast in the history of football
poor donovan. why is the world so mean to him? hes so funny and personable. and in the early part of the decade, he was athletic.
david patton and deion branch weep tonight
aren't you the same two douche bags parading around saying Donovan isn't comparable to Tom Brady or Drew Brees?
But I do love the hyperbole lack of reading fundimentals and taking what everyone is saying as the ONLY reason why they lost. Unlike you two completely brainless, useless, sack of shteins, everyone else can see that while McNabb didn't play that great, he's not the only person to blame, or even the biggest (pun intended). When you know your QB lacks Brady/Brees accuracy, and you have good RB's who are putting up a great YPC against possibly the top defense in the NFL, why in the hell do you ask that QB to throw 70% of the offensive plays?
Short version-You are both retarded and need to never talk football or even think you know what you are talking about ever again. Ever.
again
5 let brad johnson and jake delhomme breeze into his house and win
5 lost the superbowl
5 had a drive to win @ stl and tie @ arz and failed on both
all of those loses come back to 5 first and foremost. he has shown you every which way that he aint gonna get it done and you just refuse to accept it. at least phreak admits it. you, on the other hand, are just a stupid person.
btw what qb class is 5 in...its a select group....hes not good enough to win a title but hes still a good qb so where does he fit
gannon
dilfer
brad johnson
who along with donnie is in the next group
tarkenton i guess?
Quote from: Munson on March 29, 2010, 12:26:43 AM
reading fundimentals
awesome stuff
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 28, 2010, 09:46:02 PM
how is it possible to give mcnabb all the credit for getting to championship games but not the reason they didnt win
either hes a great qb and he wins a ring or hes a good qb who chokes
i mean why isnt the only reason they made the playoffs all those years andy reid?
he's a little bit of both. great in the regular season, not so great in the playoffs.
Quote from: KDS on March 28, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
i keep forgetting how little the saints ran last year and how little the patriots ran in 07. yet the reason the eagles lost 4 nfc title games and and superbowl is because andy made donovan throw all the time to crappy receivers.
oh i see.
when you don't have world beaters at receiver, you can still get away with it by having an accurate qb. brady and brees are accurate. mcnabb is not. this is where reid needs to realize that he has a shot gun at qb, not a sniper rifle and create a game plan that is going to take advantage of mcnabb's strengths (which was mobility for the first 5 or 6 years) and cover up his weaknesses. i can't fault mcnabb for not being as accurate as brady or brees. but i can fault reid for not realizing that as well.
Good coaches gameplan using their QBs strengths.
Reid has done the exact opposite.
Quote from: KDS on March 29, 2010, 12:32:53 AM
again
5 let brad johnson and jake delhomme breeze into his house and win
5 lost the superbowl
5 had a drive to win @ stl and tie @ arz and failed on both
all of those loses come back to 5 first and foremost. he has shown you every which way that he aint gonna get it done and you just refuse to accept it. at least phreak admits it. you, on the other hand, are just a stupid person.
all 5's fault.
ok, got it.
Quote
5 let brad johnson and jake delhomme breeze into his house and win
LOL, I'm sorry...did I miss the part where "5" plays defense?
The defense gave up less than 20 points in both games.
But yeah, blame the defense.
yeah which makes it more incredible that someone decided to pretty abandon the run in the panther game considering how the wideouts couldnt get off the line of scrimage, his qb injured and rb's clipping off 6yrds a carry.
it amazes me how big of blinders some heads in here have on, that back in the day all you heard out of them is mcnabb needs receivers, mcnabb needs receivers.... but now its all his fault he lost those games
we know the guy has inefficiencies, but christ...show some open-mindedness when it comes to evaluating an entire football game
At this point I just want McNabb gone so this 7 year old conversation can finally farging die.
Exactly. Assigning blame is pointless...it just didn't get done. Time to move on to another strategy. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You don't need to be Einstein to figure it out.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 29, 2010, 11:38:52 AM
At this point I just want McNabb gone so this 7 year old conversation can finally farging die.
don't get your hopes up.
Somehow i don't think this conversation will ever die.
Thankfully, the people in it will.
They'll still post about it.
ESPN's Adam Schefter echoes Yahoo and NFL Network reports that the Raiders have "emerged as the clear-cut favorites" to land Donovan McNabb.
A deal is reportedly unlikely by the end of Monday, but Schefter calls the expected trade "on the clock" and likely to happen "soon."
this guy hasnt been wrong yet, and never puts his name on anything thats not likely to happen so Im surprised by this.
damn--McNabb is the getting the hard shaft if hes dealt to this team.
Raiders have a half decent squad if they fix the OL and get a real WR.
well they better do something with the defense too because their run defense was beyond atrocious
Darrius Heyward-Bey says hi.
So what would that mean then? The Sante & Mac for Nmandi plus pick would go through? Or is there another rumor that I've missed?
wonder what they'd give up to get him? I'd still do that earlier trade, but if they somehow get the old man to give up their 1st rounder, that'd be swell
I was just reading up on Asomugha..Obviously, I knew he was not thrown at much over the past 3 years, but his averages are as follows:
Thrown at: 28
Completions: 10
Seriously, that's farging ridiculous.
(http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/mcnabbdance.gif)
(http://donovansfault.isportacus.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mcnabb.gif)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm319/inkbl0ts/mcnabbdance.gif)
I hate you so much right now.
don't hate me, hate that corny mother farger
It's only fair... You lose to the Raiders, you are allowed to be traded to the Raiders.
picture number two was the tipping point for me.
haha bye bye 5
since he wont sign an extension with oakland god is the 2010 offseason gonna be fun to see where he winds up.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 29, 2010, 04:49:42 PM
I was just reading up on Asomugha..Obviously, I knew he was not thrown at much over the past 3 years, but his averages are as follows:
Thrown at: 28
Completions: 10
Seriously, that's farging ridiculous.
Yeah the only reason we don't hear about him more often is that the ball is rarely in his area anymore. Teams learned years ago. He basically gives you the ability to completely erase any single WR of your choice on the opposing team.
(http://donovansfault.isportacus.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mcnabb.gif)
When Michael Vick lowers his head in shame at your behavior, you know you're a farging shucking & jiving dickhead of epic proportions.
excellent point.
That's not even the bad part....the worse part is when he goes and bangs on the plastic/glass wall.
If I wasn't already cringing enough...he goes and does that. I should have just turned it off right there.
Quote from: hbionic on March 29, 2010, 08:38:13 PM
That's not even the bad part....the worse part is when he goes and bangs on the plastic/glass wall.
I'm pretty sure that he tried to bang it, not bang
on it.
Now I'm starting to get sellers remorse, and the farging guy hasn't even been traded.
I think they sell a cream for that.
DON'T TRADE HIM!
But Kevin Kolb might be able to win a super bowl! He could be better then McNabb AND Jeff Garcia!
yes, he could.
In a different offense, maybe.
so now its the offense? not 5, not andy, not "the help" or the defense but the offense?
oh, ok.
I'm pretty sure Andy is the main reason why the offense is not set up for a guy who isn't Tom Brady/Peyton Manning/Drew Brees. Also "the help" would qualify under the offense too, but whoever the QB is will at least have that in Jackson/Maclin/Celek.
You really are retarded aren't you?
Its just embarrassing that some people would rather feel safe, win a bunch of regular season games with no shot at a title instead of taking a risk for something that could be better or could be worse.
Grow some balls you farging cowards.
In all fairness, Munson had to have his removed to reduce wind drag and improve his 40 time.
I am ready for this trade to happen. I do not believe that Kolb is necessarily anything special, but I certainly can't assume he sucks.
it's just time to move on. if reid fails with kolb he'll be gone soon enough too. hopefully.
Quote from: smeags on March 30, 2010, 08:39:22 AM
it's just time to move on. if reid fails with kolb he'll be gone soon enough too. hopefully.
If it happens, lets just hope they both go. Fast.
"tipping point" was donovan and TO's comedy tour....i dont know if people remember that but those interviews were unbearable...especially the ones where mcnabb would try to say funny stuff but feign seriousness in the delivery...its was so incredibly uncomfortable
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 30, 2010, 09:52:12 AM
Quote from: smeags on March 30, 2010, 08:39:22 AM
it's just time to move on. if reid fails with kolb he'll be gone soon enough too. hopefully.
If it happens, lets just hope they both go. Fast.
What is your issues with Kolb? He has done nothing to show that he will suck or be great?
Quote from: smeags on March 30, 2010, 08:39:22 AM
it's just time to move on. if reid fails with kolb he'll be gone soon enough too. hopefully.
This is what I was talking about.
And I think laying the hopes of the Eagles franchise on a guy like Kolb is pathetic. He's not a franchise QB.
its not hopes, its the getting rid of an aging player while he has a shred of value, and finding out if Kolb is the guy or not. If he isnt, then you find someone in the draft, but until then, gotta give him a shot.
My point is and always has been...Kolb should not have been a 2nd round draft pick. Its yet another case of the Eagles drafting someone too high (or at all) and laying unreasonable expectations on him. Just like we have had WRs, CBs or safeties that should not be starters or #1s...and they failed in the face of being put in that position. When they would have been just solid as a #3 or whatnot.
Kolb has started 2 games, going 300 yards+ and 2 TDs in each. I think they could do much worse.
I wouldn't put my money on him being a HOFer but what the farg people. Doesn't even make sense to me.
I for one will be much more excited going into the season with a big unknown in Kolb.
so what, they drafted him in the 2nd, cant turn back time. They shouldnt have drafted Matt Mccoy int he 2nd, they shouldnt have drafted Barry Gardner/Freddie/tons of players where they did. But it happened, and Kolb did have two impressive games against decent teams, so i'm willing to get rid of the goofy qb who throws up in big situations, and give the reigns to Kolb for a year to prove himself. If he fails, you have the draft and potential trades available. Just get this over with
Let's agree to never refer to the 2009 Chiefs as a decent team ever again. Agreed?
sure, but how about the Saints? I figured when i matched those two up, they equal out to decent
4 TD, 7 INT's, 2 pick 6's--see where this is going?
no thanks.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 30, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
My point is and always has been...Kolb should not have been a 2nd round draft pick. Its yet another case of the Eagles drafting someone too high (or at all) and laying unreasonable expectations on him. Just like we have had WRs, CBs or safeties that should not be starters or #1s...and they failed in the face of being put in that position. When they would have been just solid as a #3 or whatnot.
He was a borderline second round pick, I'll give you that. It seems to me though that you are rooting for him to fail. I could be wrong, but that is the way you are coming off. I understand wanting Reid gone, I really do....but we all know that isn't happening anytime within the next 2-3 years.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 30, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
sure, but how about the Saints? I figured when i matched those two up, they equal out to decent
Ha. Fine.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 30, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
sure, but how about the Saints? I figured when i matched those two up, they equal out to decent
You mean the game where they got their asses handed to them and they were passing against a prevent defense for a quarter and a half?
This is what we're hanging hopes on? lol
I remember when Rodney Harrison shreaded Trent Green's ACL and Vermeil got up on the podium and said the Rams were going to "play good football with Kurt Warner at QB." No one knew who the farg he was then..
I also remember when Marvin Jones essentially ended Drew Bledsoe's career with the Pats and an unknown 6th round pick stepped up and the rest is history.
Warner or Brady, Kolb may never be, but to say he isn't a "franchise QB" when he has not been given a chance to become one is unfair.
Please don't mention Kolb in that same sentence.
More like Jon Kitna, Derek Andersen and the likes.
Quote from: charlie on March 30, 2010, 10:45:18 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 30, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
sure, but how about the Saints? I figured when i matched those two up, they equal out to decent
You mean the game where they got their asses handed to them and they were passing against a prevent defense for a quarter and a half?
This is what we're hanging hopes on? lol
its not like they have Peyton Manning on the team now, but i dont care at this point, just end the suffering of this mcnabb shtein. Give Kolb the chance, if he fargs up, then draft. Its not like the eagles have a shot at a SB this year anyway, so why not
Did Kolb rape someone you know PG?
You're all professional scouts. Just like IGY said. Amazing.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 30, 2010, 10:45:39 AM
I remember when Rodney Harrison shreaded Trent Green's ACL and Vermeil got up on the podium and said the Rams were going to "play good football with Kurt Warner at QB." No one knew who the farg he was then..
I also remember when Marvin Jones essentially ended Drew Bledsoe's career with the Pats and an unknown 6th round pick stepped up and the rest is history.
Warner or Brady, Kolb may never be, but to say he isn't a "franchise QB" when he has not been given a chance to become one is unfair.
That was beautiful, man. :'(
I report to IGY
QuoteDid Kolb rape someone you know PG?
:-D
Quote from: reese125 on March 30, 2010, 10:43:06 AM
4 TD, 7 INT's, 2 pick 6's--see where this is going?
no thanks.
he only had 3 INTs last year. not that that's great or anything but still.
2008 was included matty--progression.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 30, 2010, 10:47:32 AM
Please don't mention Kolb in that same sentence.
More like Jon Kitna, Derek Andersen and the likes.
I didn't compare him to Warner or Brady..I compared a situation which I think makes more sense than comparing him to specific players.
You either completely missed my point, or you have (and probably will always have) your Kolb sucks glasses on. How can you even put him in Kitnas or Andersens class? In his 4 years as a pro, he hasn't seen the field enough to be compared to ANYONE.
Remember, remember the fifth of november... (http://www.chsportal.com/agents/index.asp)
Quote from: charlie on March 30, 2010, 10:55:10 AM
Remember, remember the fifth of november... (http://www.chsportal.com/agents/index.asp)
Haha, awesome.
Awesome, it is. I'm gonna email his ass. I love it how after one game (that 44-42 Bengals game in 97'), everyone was ready to annoint him as the QB of the future, but Kolb already sucks.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 30, 2010, 11:00:53 AM
Awesome, it is. I'm gonna email his ass. I love it how after one game (that 44-42 Bengals game in 97'), everyone was ready to annoint him as the QB of the future, but Kolb already sucks.
That's because we watched Ty Detmer and Rodney Peete toil around in the backfield for 1995, 1996 and early 1997. Eager for a sign of hope.
McNabb changed that and still has it.
But the cheapskates and retards in the FO wanna blow it up and start over.
Can you even imagine how much hate mail Hoying gets? It boggles the mind.
I just thanked him for wearing #7 because it saved me from buying a Mike Vick jersey. Stay tuned for a response.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 30, 2010, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 30, 2010, 11:00:53 AM
Awesome, it is. I'm gonna email his ass. I love it how after one game (that 44-42 Bengals game in 97'), everyone was ready to annoint him as the QB of the future, but Kolb already sucks.
That's because we watched Ty Detmer and Rodney Peete toil around in the backfield for 1995, 1996 and early 1997. Eager for a sign of hope.
McNabb changed that and still has it.
But the cheapskates and retards in the FO wanna blow it up and start over.
I completely understand that...But, do you think the same is happening in reverse now? That we are all comfortable with consistently winning 10 games a year and making the playoffs that we're afraid of the unknown? Just sayin..
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 30, 2010, 11:10:03 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 30, 2010, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 30, 2010, 11:00:53 AM
Awesome, it is. I'm gonna email his ass. I love it how after one game (that 44-42 Bengals game in 97'), everyone was ready to annoint him as the QB of the future, but Kolb already sucks.
That's because we watched Ty Detmer and Rodney Peete toil around in the backfield for 1995, 1996 and early 1997. Eager for a sign of hope.
McNabb changed that and still has it.
But the cheapskates and retards in the FO wanna blow it up and start over.
I completely understand that...But, do you think the same is happening in reverse now? That we are all comfortable with consistently winning 10 games a year that we're afraid for the unknown? Just sayin..
I am, yeah. I hesitate to give up a proven commodity for an unknown.
The proven part is not arguable, although some will chirp about it. But I firmly believe that if they deviated just a bit from their hard-line philosophy of over-30 means a casket is close andto not spend money on certain positions (hello, LBs!) they could win a SB with 5.
So I think the FO is comfortable with winning 10 games and saving money with a glimmer of hope at a SB run.
Drop the farging hammer, Reid. That's what I want.
I'll never argue that 5 is a proven QB. shtein, if he would have won 1 SB, I think we'd be talking HOF one day. And I agree with a lot of what you said..especially the lack of spend allocated to certain positions thoughout the years - LB, FB till 43, WR till recently, etc. You know I've been a 5 guy since day 1, which is why I'm on the fence a bit about this, but if I had to be pushed one way, I'm falling onto the side of change. Maybe it was the back-to-back Dallas losses; maybe it was the Arizona heartbreaker...I dunno. There's nothing more I've wanted to see in sports over the years than for 5 to win one here, but I think that boat crashed in Phoenix last January.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 30, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
My point is and always has been...Kolb should not have been a 2nd round draft pick. Its yet another case of the Eagles drafting someone too high (or at all) and laying unreasonable expectations on him.
lol expectations?
they let the guy watch games for four years and learn the system....its the exact thing they used to do in the league that everyone complains doesnt happen anymore because of the cap...im not sure if its possible to have had lower expectations than cobb has had on him...he has basically been asked to do nothing
as for his draft position he definitely was a second round grade because of who picked him...some teams had a 3rd round grade on him because of a worry that he was a system qb in college..but the system he fits best is the eagles...which is why they and some other teams had him graded in the 2nd
Quote from: charlie on March 30, 2010, 10:45:18 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 30, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
sure, but how about the Saints? I figured when i matched those two up, they equal out to decent
You mean the game where they got their asses handed to them and they were passing against a prevent defense for a quarter and a half?
This is what we're hanging hopes on? lol
not that the saints or chiefs game means a thing in the big picture but the saints game was 17-13 at half and cobb was like 14-19 for 180 and a td
Can you all shut the farg up about the "puking" now? (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100330_Its_a_myth__McNabb_did_not_puke_during_Super_Bowl.html)
No.
ha...Im picturing Freddie Mitchell taking over the huddle calling the "throw it to me" play.
IT took 6 years for that article to come out? its PR stuff
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 30, 2010, 11:40:57 AM
IT took 6 years for that article to come out? its PR stuff
Um, did you read it? The quotes that "came out" just now are quotes from 6 years ago.
i would rather he had puked than choked...thats a much bigger problem with him
anyway its not like he didnt really puke in college numerous times and at jacksonville...like saying he puked in the superbowl is some outlandish idea
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2010, 11:19:48 AM
not that the saints or chiefs game means a thing in the big picture but the saints game was 17-13 at half and cobb was like 14-19 for 180 and a td
You're right, it means nothing.
just keeping you in check thats all
My 2 cents:
The Eagles seriously reached when they took Kolb. They traded a 1st round pick that year and selected him with their first pick in the draft. That alone created a lot of resentment among fans almost immediately. I know it did with me.
Then the Eagles spend the next 2 years drafting highly talented recievers and runningbacks, thus setting up Kolb for success whenever he eventually takes over as the starter. The fact that the Eagles never gave McNabb that much talent earlier in his career when the Eagles were legit Super Bowl contenders simply added to the resentment.
Kolb has played 2.5 games in his short career. He actually did move the ball fairly well in the 2nd half against Baltimore, and even though he threw a pick in the end zone, he did do more against the Ravens than McNabb did. Not to mention that veteran greats like Manning and Brady struggle against the Ravens defense, so putting in a QB to get his first real NFL action against that defense is asking A LOT imo.
And in the 2 games he started last year, this is what I saw - I saw a young, inexperienced QB sometimes hold the ball too long. I saw a young, inexperienced QB sometimes lock in on his receiver. I also saw a young QB who never really seemed uncomfortable in the pocket. I saw him make some damn good throws. I saw him hit recievers in stride.
In short, I saw him do good things and I saw him do some bad things and that's exactly the same thing that is said about every quarterback no matter how good or bad they turn out to be. Peyton Manning stunk it up sometimes early in his career and sometimes he did great things. Same goes for guys like Bobby Hoying.
The bottom line is that Kolb is still an unknown. There's not enough game tape on him to decide one way or the other. But what I do know is that I saw Kolb do a lot of good things in his limited game time. I like his accuracy and I like his poise. The mistakes he made can be corrected with time and experience. Will he be good? Don't know. What I do know is that Bobby Hoying was annointed as the QB of the Future after 1 good game against Cincinatti and we all know how that turned out. So keep that in mind for those of you who are declaring Kolb to be a total failure.
that's closer to 72 cents
this team is not going to win anything in the next two years. they need to overhaul too many positions so do you keep a qb like mcnabb when the guy will be getting plastered and more than likely hurt and never get any value for him or do you try to make a move now stockpile the draft picks and try to retool the whole team ?
i say you make a move now, regardless of whether you like mcnabb or not makes no difference, we are not going to win anything in the next couple of years and you also know that nothing will change with him at qb and butterbean running the team.
Quote from: smeags on March 30, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
this team is not going to win anything in the next two years. they need to overhaul too many positions so do you keep a qb like mcnabb when the guy will be getting plastered and more than likely hurt and never get any value for him or do you try to make a move now stockpile the draft picks and try to retool the whole team ?
i say you make a move now, regardless of whether you like mcnabb or not makes no difference, we are not going to win anything in the next couple of years and you also know that nothing will change with him at qb and butterbean running the team.
mcnabb wins most of his non big games and since the eagles arent going to be in any big games over the next couple years i say keep the old guy and go 8-8 with no future in site
sounds like a plan
yay status quo !
I don't remember McNabb puking during the Super Bowl, but I do remember him "casually walking up to the line during a two-minute drill as though he were approaching the counter of an Arby's", as Simmons put it.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 30, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
I don't remember McNabb puking during the Super Bowl
really?
the hits he took from bruschi and seymour could make anyone look like that.
who cares though. it's time to move on.
I remember the defeated this-is-making-me-sick look that McNabb gets most of the time when he is in a big game, but not actual puking. I do remember him puking in other games.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: smeags on March 30, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
this team is not going to win anything in the next two years. they need to overhaul too many positions so do you keep a qb like mcnabb when the guy will be getting plastered and more than likely hurt and never get any value for him or do you try to make a move now stockpile the draft picks and try to retool the whole team ?
i say you make a move now, regardless of whether you like mcnabb or not makes no difference, we are not going to win anything in the next couple of years and you also know that nothing will change with him at qb and butterbean running the team.
mcnabb wins most of his non big games and since the eagles arent going to be in any big games over the next couple years i say keep the old guy and go 8-8 with no future in site
sounds like a plan
When did Andy Reid take over your account?
wait i thought pg was on the get 5 out of down bus. but she got off that and got and back the phreak express? come on girl.
No, I want him gone...but the dogpiling is so farging ridiculous.
its like you all forget how zesty it was before he got here and what he actually DID. You're all minimizing his accomplishments and its farging retarded.
matt mosley
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12426/the-big-question-is-kolb-ready
QuoteEveryone I talk to in the Eagles' organization suggests that former University of Houston star Kevin Kolb is ready for prime time. The Eagles former general manager Tom Heckert, who had a big say in drafting Kolb in the second round of the '07 draft, told me last week he thinks Kolb is absolutely ready to succeed at this level. That's why he thinks it would be nearly impossible for a team to land Kolb in a trade.
Kolb is already popular with his teammates. You may have noticed there hasn't been a huge outcry from the locker room to keep McNabb. I know that fullback Leonard Weaver recently voiced his support during a radio interview, but that's about it. There's a sense in the organization it's time for young stars such as DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy and Brent Celek to start playing with the quarterback who's expected to hang around for the next six or seven seasons.
From the scouts I talk to across the league, Kolb's actually better suited for the West Coast offense than McNabb. He's been very accurate in the preseason and in his two regular-season starts. One NFC East scout told me Monday he thought a second-round pick was a little "rich" for Kolb in '07. The thought at that time was that Kolb may have been a "system" quarterback under coach Art Briles at Houston and his huge passing numbers wouldn't translate to the NFL game. But after a year of work in Reid's system, he convinced the coach he was indeed the real deal.
Kolb doesn't have McNabb's strength or mobility, but he does appear to have a more accurate arm. In an offense that's built on timing and intermediate routes, that's no small thing. Kolb's also been praised for an internal clock that allows him to get the ball away quickly. There are actually people in the organization who think Kolb gives the Eagles a better chance to win immediately.
I have too much respect for McNabb to agree with that statement, but I do think Kolb will help the Eagles win a lot of games in the coming years. His coaches and teammates love how calm he is in the huddle. The Stephenville, Texas, native rarely gets rattled and that's a good trait to have if you're going to play in Philly.
I think Kolb's ready to take over this team.
well if mosley feels this way it must mean one thing.
lombardi celebration in dallas !
actually, mosley said that he doesn't feel that kolb gives them the best shot at winning right now.
actually, i know. but i put my own spin on it as it's all speculation.
wait--Heckert said Kolb is definitely ready. cant believe he said that.
"Kolb doesn't have McNabb's strength or mobility, but he does appear to have a more accurate arm."
I keep forgetting all the games McNabb went 9-30 all these years that now makes Kolb a more accurate passer after...ha...2 starts. I cant believe Im even defending mcnabb and his accuracy, but these Kolb articles are outrageous.
I'm convinced that you and Munson are only taking a strong pro-McNabb stance to be contrary to IGY at this point.
yep-me, munson, phreak, phillygirl, demon...all to go against igy. youre new here right?
reese125 and munson: nfl scouts from their ez boy
Sunmo:funniest man on the web. He can prove it.
well we know it's not you.
crib death is funnier than you
show me some updated polls
Quote from: reese125 on March 30, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
wait--Heckert said Kolb is definitely ready. cant believe he said that.
"Kolb doesn't have McNabb's strength or mobility, but he does appear to have a more accurate arm."
I keep forgetting all the games McNabb went 9-30 all these years that now makes Kolb a more accurate passer after...ha...2 starts. I cant believe Im even defending mcnabb and his accuracy, but these Kolb articles are outrageous.
its outrageous to suggest that cobb might have a more accurate arm than an inaccurate qb?
some current qb's who have a higher completion % than donovan
garrard
losman
carr
flacco
bulger
campbell
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 30, 2010, 01:38:21 PM
No, I want him gone...but the dogpiling is so farging ridiculous.
its like you all forget how zesty it was before he got here and what he actually DID. You're all minimizing his accomplishments and its farging retarded.
i dont think anyone has minimized his accomplishments...just that its time to move forward...although its hard to go all out and put a spotlight on accomplishments that dont include a title
i do find the munson/reese "wait a minute, you don't respect my football scouting breakdowns" anger quite funny.
no, idiots. no one does. no one takes anything you say seriously and any point you try to make about kolb not being good is a waste. kolb has played 2.5 games. you guys dont know anything about football. shut up. please.
Quoteits outrageous to suggest that cobb might have a more accurate arm than an inaccurate qb?
Im sorry who is Kolb again?
Quote from: reese125 on March 30, 2010, 02:28:54 PM
yep-
me - dope
munson - top five dumbest people on the planet
phreak - serial mcnabb supporter
phillygirl - homocidal reid hater
demon - MA
not exactly resumes to use in this particular argument
Quote from: KDS on March 30, 2010, 02:45:46 PM
i do find the munson/reese "wait a minute, you don't respect my football scouting breakdowns" anger quite funny.
no, idiots. no one does. no one takes anything you say seriously and any point you try to make about kolb not being good is a waste. kolb has played 2.5 games. you guys dont know anything about football. shut up. please.
bwhahhahaha...stop trying to put your faults on other people. Be your own man/boy and wake the farg up.
After that breakdown you gave me of what teams should get McNabb and the reasons I didnt bother to retort because it really was truly the most neophyte sports answer I ever read. I honestly felt bad for you.
Quote from: KDS on March 30, 2010, 02:45:46 PM
i do find the munson/reese "wait a minute, you don't respect my football scouting breakdowns" anger quite funny.
no, idiots. no one does. no one takes anything you say seriously and any point you try to make about kolb not being good is a waste. kolb has played 2.5 games. you guys dont know anything about football. shut up. please.
Did Dexter Manley teach you to write?
The race to the bottom here where everyone tries to mock everyone else for being an idiot using broken english and spotty punctuation really gets me excited for the 2010 season.
Quote from: KDS on March 30, 2010, 02:45:46 PM
you guys dont know anything about football.
says the guy who thinks the ravens and jets should be top suitors for mcnabb.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2010, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 30, 2010, 02:28:54 PM
yep-
me - dope
munson - top five dumbest people on the planet
phreak - serial mcnabb supporter
phillygirl - homocidal reid hater
demon - MA
not exactly resumes to use in this particular argument
You can try and classify me as a mcnabb supporter all you want, but I dont know how many times out of the 4 yrs Ive been here I stated the complete opposite
I just dont agree its time to let him go just yet, and I stated my reason why.
Quote from: reese125 on March 30, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2010, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 30, 2010, 02:28:54 PM
yep-
me - dope
munson - top five dumbest people on the planet
phreak - serial mcnabb supporter
phillygirl - homocidal reid hater
demon - MA
not exactly resumes to use in this particular argument
You can try and classify me as a mcnabb supporter all you want, but I dont know how many times out of the 4 yrs Ive been here I stated the complete opposite
I just dont agree its time to let him go yet, and I stated my reason why.
i have no idea who you support
our troops
seriously cmon wake up
Let's all meet up and just punch each other in the faces.
ha
charles....do you know rj?
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
The race to the bottom here where everyone tries to mock everyone else for being an idiot using broken english and spotty punctuation really gets me excited for the 2010 season.
anyone standing 3inches from you is in trouble.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
The race to the bottom here where everyone tries to mock everyone else for being an idiot using broken english and spotty punctuation really gets me excited for the 2010 season.
Me too. I'm so excited that I've been using my nipples to etch glass.
Quote from: smeags on March 30, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
The race to the bottom here where everyone tries to mock everyone else for being an idiot using broken english and spotty punctuation really gets me excited for the 2010 season.
anyone standing 3inches from you is in trouble.
Maybe, but they're about to have the greatest 15 seconds of their life.
mike schmidt says that "he thinks" the perception of donovan would be different in the city if he had won a superbowl
i never thought of it like that mikey.
Mike Schmidt might be more out of touch with reality than Darren Daulton
Quote from: charlie on March 30, 2010, 03:24:14 PM
Mike Schmidt might be more out of touch with reality than Darren Daulton
dykstra says thats bullshtein.
I'm really not sure if Kolb will be good or not. What I do know is he won't win a super bowl in this offense the way it is currently run. He's gonna get murdered dropping back 40-45 times a game.
Quote from: Munson on March 30, 2010, 03:42:39 PM
I'm really not sure if Kolb will be good or not. What I do know is he won't win a super bowl in this offense the way it is currently run. He's gonna get murdered dropping back 40-45 times a game.
He plays QB, correct?
But McNabb would be just fine under that scenario, right? He still has incredible mobility and a limited injury history, right?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2010, 03:52:22 PM
But McNabb would be just fine under that scenario, right? He still has incredible mobility and a limited injury history, right?
Quarterbacks are not equipped to drop back 40-45 times per game, even though pretty much all of them do.
in andy reids tenure the eagles have averaged 12th in pass attempts per season
and has had seasons where they ranked 25th - 19th - 18th - 30th and 10th
and only twice have they been top five
i dont think hes throwing 40+ times to often
Quote from: charlie on March 30, 2010, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2010, 03:52:22 PM
But McNabb would be just fine under that scenario, right? He still has incredible mobility and a limited injury history, right?
Quarterbacks are not equipped to drop back 40-45 times per game, even though pretty much all of them do.
you love throwing random #'s out there dont you silly goose
Andy only throws 40+ times when its windy, its the mad Genius that he is. No one would ever think they would throw in high winds..BRILLIANT
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 30, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: charlie on March 30, 2010, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2010, 03:52:22 PM
But McNabb would be just fine under that scenario, right? He still has incredible mobility and a limited injury history, right?
Quarterbacks are not equipped to drop back 40-45 times per game, even though pretty much all of them do.
you love throwing random #'s out there dont you silly goose
i think hes trying to be cute by counting hand offs as dropping back
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on March 30, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: charlie on March 30, 2010, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2010, 03:52:22 PM
But McNabb would be just fine under that scenario, right? He still has incredible mobility and a limited injury history, right?
Quarterbacks are not equipped to drop back 40-45 times per game, even though pretty much all of them do.
you love throwing random #'s out there dont you silly goose
What's random about it? I took those number from a post on the previous page.
your avatar is random though. whats up with danny?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2010, 04:08:46 PM
in andy reids tenure the eagles have averaged 12th in pass attempts per season
and has had seasons where they ranked 25th - 19th - 18th - 30th and 10th
and only twice have they been top five
i dont think hes throwing 40+ times to often
i knew the perception was slightly off on how much reid throws, but i didn't think there was any way he was outside of the top 10. then again, i suppose that perennial losers like detroit, cleveland and buffalo are almost always playing from behind and are forced to abandon the run early is what helps push reid down in the rankings.
i'm curious as to where reid ranks among coaches with winning records in the last 10 years.
still, i never really had a problem with him wanting to throw the ball....especially now that he's got legit receivers all over the field. it's his situational playcalling that drives me nuts....like throwing on 3rd and 1. it's the predictability of his playcalling that's infuriating. because if a bunch of idiot fans like us can pick up on his tendencies, then you can damn well be sure that professional coaches aren't going to have a hard time figuring it out either.
Those numbers are misleading. Reid is the only coach in history with 60%+ passing plays called over the length of his career. To try to argue that he doesn't pass that much is stupid.
What we should all agree to is that passing a lot is not going to change. What needs to change is the personnel. We used to bitch about the WRs being the problem but after 10 years it's pretty clear that McNabb will never be accurate enough to complete a high enough % of passes to run an offense that's this heavy on the pass. So that's it. The problem isn't the system. The problem isn't the personnel. The problem is that the system doesn't match the personnel.
So please stfu.
BTW: Reid obviously passes too much for my liking, but that's because I don't like the system. I just prefer smashmouth football. There isn't anything inherently wrong with passing the ball. There's just something inherently wrong with asking McNabb to complete 20+ timing passes per game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2010, 04:08:46 PM
in andy reids tenure the eagles have averaged 12th in pass attempts per season
and has had seasons where they ranked 25th - 19th - 18th - 30th and 10th
and only twice have they been top five
i dont think hes throwing 40+ times to often
That is a little misleading though, this team is always at the top when it comes to percentage of run vs. pass. The reason the attempts is probably not as high is because even when the offense is good it still gets a fair amount of 3 and outs.
Not to mention teams have had success over the years running on Philly's defense, which of course is part of another problem this team always seems to have TOP.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2010, 04:35:26 PM
Those numbers are misleading. Reid is the only coach in history with 60%+ passing plays called over the length of his career. The problem is that the system doesn't match the personnel.
truth, but the never ending vag monologues will continue.
just out of curiosity, are those pass vs run numbers just taken from box scores or something? because if that's the case, then it's going to include every mcnabb scramble over the last 11 years as a run instead of a pass, which would seriously drive down the pass plays called per game.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2010, 04:44:11 PM
just out of curiosity, are those pass vs run numbers just taken from box scores or something? because if that's the case, then it's going to include every mcnabb scramble over the last 11 years as a run instead of a pass, which would seriously drive down the pass plays called per game.
Meh, who cares. So he calls 61.5% pass plays instead of 60.2%. The point is still the same, butthole.
Schefter vs. SalPal duel to the death! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5041747)
I didn't know Donovan had a website.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2010, 04:44:11 PM
just out of curiosity, are those pass vs run numbers just taken from box scores or something? because if that's the case, then it's going to include every mcnabb scramble over the last 11 years as a run instead of a pass, which would seriously drive down the pass plays called per game.
total passes thrown....i was trying to prove a point to simpletons like munson that think reid throws the ball a million times a game...its simply not true...ive said here before its when and how he throws thats way more of a problem than how much he throws...and no you dont take out mcnabb scrambles and count them as passes because part of the reason reid called the number of passes he does was because you have a qb who can get you first downs with his feet...if youre going to do that then lets also count all the screens to wr's and rb's as runs...or how about other really high % pass plays
Quote from: rjs246 on March 30, 2010, 04:35:26 PM
Those numbers are misleading. Reid is the only coach in history with 60%+ passing plays called over the length of his career. To try to argue that he doesn't pass that much is stupid.
no they arent misleading...they are 100% accurate and again go to munsons and others thinking that he throws 40+ times a game so hes going to get quarterbacks killed...when in fact eagle quarterbacks drop back less than many teams in the nfl
and id have to check the numbers but i think he throws at a 57-58% of the time clip
QuoteHe has said on numerous occasions that he believes this offense is most effective when it is operating on a 60-40 pass-run ratio.
When a coach has won more than 100 regular-season games in a decade, it's hard to find too much fault with his philosophy.
But Reid's ratio has failed him in the playoffs.
The Eagles' record in the postseason under Reid clearly indicates that when the offense gets too far away from the ground, the Birds lose.
The Eagles are 8-6 in 14 playoff games under Reid. In their eight wins, they passed the ball 258 times compared to 233 rushes, which equates to a pass-run ratio of 52.5 percent to 47.5 percent, well below Reid's desired threshold.
In the six losses, however, the Birds have aired it out 237 times to 120 rushes, a ratio of 66.7 percent to 33.3 percent.
Reid's Eagles are 8-1 in the playoffs when the rush the ball at least 25 times. They are 0-5 when they don't run at least 25 times.
Not surprisingly, when the Eagles beat the Atlanta Falcons, 27-10, in the one NFC Championship Game the Eagles won with Reid, it was the only one in which they ran (33 times) more than they passed (27).
7 more pages of this retardation.
wtf??
hold on a second
teams run more in games they win?...and even more in games they win by 17 pts
i dont believe it
i bet in the playoff games the eagles won they passed more in the first half when the game was close or in doubt than they did in the 4th quarter leading
ill even take this craziness one step further and go out on an even bigger limb
i bet the eagles passed more in the games they lost
so how is this place better than TATErville again ?
I love the fact that the number of dropbacks is somehow more indicative of Reid's playcalling than the % of times he calls a pass. It's over 60%, which was talked about extensively here and during the broadcast of one of their games this year, which is the highest % ever for a coach who has coached as many games as Reid. I have a hard time even understanding what IGY's point is, but I'm sure it has to do with one of the following:
1. MA
2. Alternately encouraging / discouraging MDS in whatever he says / does / thinks
3. Psychotically refuting some insignificant point that Munson/reese/King Cole tried to make
4. Buttered joints
no one is even talking %'s...i dont know how you even got on it
btw i just looked it up and reid throws 57.1% of the time
FTR, McNabb's been at a 60%+ completion rate for the last 3 years now.
And lol at IGY trying to avoid the facts of the situation.
Quote from: Munson on March 30, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
FTR, McNabb's been at a 60%+ completion rate for the last 3 years now.
which would move him to number 20 on the active quarterbacks list...be proud...its really sad when you get all happy because a qb threw for 60 %
plus hes his normal 58% in the playoffs...including one of the worst first halves in playoff history last year
why are you trying to tout his accuracy anyway...its not good...we all know that
at least say he made the playoffs two out of the last three years or something semi positive if youre gonna cling to him
he also stopped doing chunky soup commercials.
(http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/assets_c/2010/01/donovan-mcnabb-thumb-600x440.jpg)
lol
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/dmkdjb/dmac2.jpg)
Now that's gangsta!
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 30, 2010, 06:18:14 PM
Schefter vs. SalPal duel to the death! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5041747)
This is going to be a long 3 weeks. I'll set the over/under on 100 pages by the time the draft rolls around.
It's also worth noting they're no longer actively shopping Vick.
More McNabb debate please. Much more. Please.
none of you can say with a straight face that you won't miss this.
(http://youbeenblinded.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mcnabb-mom-soup.jpg)
SEATBELTS
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2010, 07:47:52 PM
btw i just looked it up and reid throws 57.1% of the time
I suppose it's possible that I didn't see what I thought I saw, but when I just tried to look it up myself I got sleepy and stopped caring, so I'll concede whatever your point was to you.
I believe that he calls over 60% passing plays, but under 60% are actually executed due to unplanned QB runs. But even if that's not true, it changes absolutely nothing.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/31/donovan-mcnabb-silver-and-blacklists-himself/
he has zero say in the matter
Exactly. Also, it's going to be three weeks before anyone knows anything, at which time McNabb will be traded for a 4th round pick and Howie Roseman will be seen jerking off to pictures of himself with a celebratory cigar shoved up his manhole. Eagles fans rejoice!
so a player refusing to re-sign with a team he's being traded to has "zero" influence ? zero ?
(http://rlv.zcache.com/thats_crazy_talk_tshirt-p235804624535654141t5tr_400.jpg)
to say mcnabb has no influence at all is a bit ridiculous as i'm certain that there are a few teams out there who would be interested in mcnabb but have stayed away since they know that he wouldn't have any interest in signing an extension with them. al davis is about the only person in the league who would give up high draft picks for a 1 yr rental player.
QuotePosted by Michael David Smith on March 31, 2010 6:24 PM ET
We've noted a few times that boxer Bernard Hopkins loves nothing more than to bash Donovan McNabb. In 2008, Hopkins (who's from Philadelphia and is a big Eagles fan) said McNabb doesn't have the stomach to compete at the highest levels. In 2009, Hopkins called McNabb a "lapdog" and a "frontrunner" and later got cozy with Michael Vick.
Now that McNabb appears to be on the way out of Philadelphia, Hopkins is stepping up his criticism.
On Wednesday Hopkins promoted this weekend's fight with Roy Jones Jr. by participating in a live chat with FanHouse readers (moderated by me), and he made it clear that he has even more disdain for McNabb than he does for Jones.
"After my victory Saturday night I'm going to have a big party where we celebrate sending McNabb where ever he goes," Hopkins said. "The Eagles have a chance to get to a Super Bowl and a change is well overdue."
Hopkins believes that McNabb has spent the last few years trying to prove he can be a pocket passer and neglecting his gifts as a runner, and as a result can never lead the Eagles to a championship.
"McNabb was a running quarterback early in his career with the Eagles but he changed," Hopkins said. "Somebody suggested that he should stay in the pocket. And I'm like, McNabb, don't be an idiot. God gave you the ability -- take advantage of that."
Hopkins said he likes Vick and would love to see him start, but he'd also prefer Kevin Kolb to McNabb.
"I think the starter should be Michael Vick and the backup should be Kevin Kolb but I think both guys should get a chance and Vick might still need some time to get comfortable," Hopkins said. "I'd actually like to see them mix both guys up. I think either one, both having different styles, can be successful."
Hopkins will be happy with just about anyone other than McNabb under center for the Eagles.
He loves Vick, hates McNabb.
See where this is going?
BHop has more Philly in his pinky toe nail than McNabb does in his entire body. But he sounds like a douche.
I hope he gets knocked out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 31, 2010, 08:59:14 PM
I hope he gets knocked out.
As much as he's annoying with this crap I still hope he punks RJJ. Bhop in 3.
J is more tied down to 5 than we thought.
He's backing a Florida guy over a Philly guy cause BHop is callin 5 what he is. Damn. Low moment here.
Called out in the thread title and 73 pages later he's still in denial.
B-Hop may be a Philly guy but he is a jackass. I lost all respect for him for what he said before the Calzaghe. That being said I understand what he has said about McNabb.
Quote from: KDS on March 31, 2010, 09:04:29 PM
J is more tied down to 5 than we thought.
He's backing a Florida guy over a Philly guy cause BHop is callin 5 what he is. Damn. Low moment here.
Negative, chief.
Hopkins has been railing on 5 since 2004. His act is old and I hope he gets knocked out.
Hush up about McNabb, Bernard.
I don't like Hopkins, but his over-the-top hatred for McNabb continues to amuse me.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 31, 2010, 09:07:35 PM
B-Hop may be a Philly guy but he is a jackass. I lost all respect for him for what he said before the Calzaghe. That being said I understand what he has said about McNabb.
Whatever, he tries to get in a guys head before a fight, he was the first mofo to knock that bad ass Calzaghe down and fought him tougher then anyone else. Hopkins pisses me off sometimes with his antics, but he is a 100% philly guy, and i hope he will punish and breakdown that joker rjj saturday night. My one concern is that all the years of frustration and waiting will have him overhyped for the fight and not fight his fight and play to jones.
jones quit a long time ago...if hopkins goes more than three rounds with him he should embarassed...you couldnt pay me to watch that fight...its a farce and everything thats wrong with boxing
Jones will be up (whatever he has left in his tank) for this fight, if he can look good, or beat hop, he can extend his career. After getting caught behind the ear by Green, he had no other choice then to go with this fight. I hope Hopkins beats his ass for an entire 12 rounds, an early KO would be awesome too. I think Rjj will move and frustrate Hop for the first couple of rounds, then Hopkins will break him down ;D
jones doesnt want a career...thats the point...he doesnt wanna fight and is only doing it for the money...he hasnt liked fighting for a long time...pretty much the polar opposite of bernard...which is why it shouldnt go very long
Quote from: phillymic2000 on March 31, 2010, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 31, 2010, 09:07:35 PM
B-Hop may be a Philly guy but he is a jackass. I lost all respect for him for what he said before the Calzaghe. That being said I understand what he has said about McNabb.
Whatever, he tries to get in a guys head before a fight, he was the first mofo to knock that bad ass Calzaghe down and fought him tougher then anyone else. Hopkins pisses me off sometimes with his antics, but he is a 100% philly guy, and i hope he will punish and breakdown that joker rjj saturday night. My one concern is that all the years of frustration and waiting will have him overhyped for the fight and not fight his fight and play to jones.
That is fine just don't bring race into it. If the shoe was on the other foot the white guy probably would never box again.
Jones was done after his first loss to Tarver, Glen Johnson just sealed the deal.
Quote from: Dalton on March 31, 2010, 09:49:30 PM
Jones was done after his first loss to Tarver, Glen Johnson just sealed the deal.
Troof
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/eagles/2010-03-31-donovan-mcnabb_N.htm
Quote"It's mind-boggling they would put Donovan in this position," Moon said. "He's hearing about things second hand, which I don't think shows him a lot of respect.
"It really surprises me because the Philadelphia Eagles have already made very strategic and very smart personnel moves that has gotten them in position to win championships. This one really baffles me, especially because of how important that position is."
McNabb has been the Eagles' starter since 1999, when the team selected him with the second overall pick in the draft. He returned to the Pro Bowl last season for the first time since 2004.
"I don't know why you would get rid of a quarterback who is in the prime of his career in Donovan and go with an unknown in a young quarterback like a Kevin Kolb or a Michael Vick," Moon said.
"If they're going to make a deal with the Raiders, go ahead and make the deal. What are they waiting on? It seems the longer they wait, the worse deal they're going to get closer to the draft."
My mind is boggled.
poor Donovan
i dont give a flying farg about donovans feelings...hes not the future of this team and frankly the guys a little bitch anyway...but i totally agree that they have mangled this thing almost from the start in terms of the franchise and that is one billion times more important than any one player...even the great 5
Why does the media ask old beaten down athletes about current athletes?
I was just saying yesterday... Hmmm, I wonder what Jeff Hogaboom thinks about Kevin Kolb?
one of these days 5 is gonna have a resentment-filled and hostility-laced blowup thats been working up inside of him ever since draft day when he was personally and forever insulted by angelo cataldi's traveling band of morons.
Quote from: KDS on April 01, 2010, 12:13:12 PM
one of these days 5 is gonna have a resentment-filled and hostility-laced blowup thats been working up inside of him ever since draft day when he was personally and forever insulted by angelo cataldi's traveling band of morons.
he doesnt have the intestinal fortitude to ever blow up...hes the ultimate in passive agrresiveness
either a blow up or a breakdown. might be private might be public. could be if and when he returns to philly and gets shtein thrown at him. the post game presser after another predictably weak 5 effort in a big game will be epic.
Hopkins is the furthest thing you'd ever meet from an icehole. The guy is a class act all the way..he just hates Donovan. What's wrong with that?
didn't his mother already blow up about 5's string of mistreatmment after they drafted kolb ?
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 01, 2010, 12:25:00 PM
Hopkins is the furthest thing you'd ever meet from an icehole. The guy is a class act all the way..he just hates Donovan. What's wrong with that?
i remember hopkins describing how 5 dissed him. insanely childish on mcnabb's part.
Quote from: smeags on April 01, 2010, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 01, 2010, 12:25:00 PM
Hopkins is the furthest thing you'd ever meet from an icehole. The guy is a class act all the way..he just hates Donovan. What's wrong with that?
i remember hopkins describing how 5 dissed him. insanely childish on mcnabb's part.
yeah but you cant kill mcnabb for still being bitter about draft day... and then not kill bhop for still caring about that....they both are being school girls just so happens bhop is mostly correct about donovan
true but hopkins isnt the team's qb.
they might have won a sb if he was
yeah and owens wouldn't have opened up his mouth to bitch about anything.
Doesn't Eli always look "stunned?" (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5047591)
And lol at their editing:
QuoteThe closest he got was a Super Bowl loss to the Patriots in 2001.
Something tells me chopsticks boggle Warren Moon's mind, so the Eagles shopping a 33 year-old quarterback, with a history of injuries on the last year of a contract, should really perplex the hell out of him.
Quote from: smeags on April 01, 2010, 01:02:18 PM
yeah and owens wouldn't have opened up his mouth to bitch about anything.
Not twice anyway.
holy shtein, hopkins just went off on mcnabb on WIP. man is holding a major grudge.
BLACK ON BLACK CRIME!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2010, 09:45:13 PM
jones doesnt want a career...thats the point...he doesnt wanna fight and is only doing it for the money...he hasnt liked fighting for a long time...pretty much the polar opposite of bernard...which is why it shouldnt go very long
What? He broke down Jeff Lacy like a year ago and he was fast as shtein in that fight. He needs this fight to continue, he's got jack shtein outside his career in the ring. Have you ever heard him as a commentator? he's freakin horrible!
What else can that broken record punch drunk clown have to say that he hasn't already said?
"please please watch my fight"
Quote from: reese125 on April 01, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
"please please watch my fight"
if you have directv, then you'd know that he's already said that too.
QuoteHOPKINS VS JONES II "ONE NIGHT ONLY" AS FIGHT ONLY
AVAILABLE ON PPV AND NOT SHOWN ON DELAYED BROADCAST
This Saturday's Bernard Hopkins vs. Roy Jones Jr. pay-per-view telecast will ONLY be available on pay-per-view and will NOT be shown on a delayed broadcast.
"Fans who think they can wait to see this on free television better think again," said Hopkins. "This is a one-time only and once in a lifetime opportunity to see me give Roy Jones the beating I have been waiting all these years to give him. Anyone out there who thinks I am kidding better not snooze on this one because if you snooze, you lose."
"I beat Bernard once and he's been waiting a long time for revenge, so he has a lot of hate pent up and it's been building up for a long time," said Jones. "You only have one chance to watch me beat him again and that chance is live Saturday night. No tape, no replay, just live."
Please note that the pay-per-view telecast will be aggressively monitored on the internet and any piracy and/or infringements will be legally dealt with in a swift and immediate manner.
I'd rather watch curling.
Some of those European curling chicks are hot.
wow J is really getting aggressive on 5 defense. no joke this time. this aint funny.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 01, 2010, 09:45:39 PM
What else can that broken record punch drunk clown have to say that he hasn't already said?
his crybaby shtein over mcnabb is old but the rants are classic in the
what the farg did he just say kind of way.
"i,m my own boss so i can speak independent about things, long as i don't commit defecamation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uug0Pi06SBU
Was listenting to 97.5 a bit ago...did I just hear what I think I did? Jay Glazer reports that Andy told 5 he won't neccessarily take the best deal if it means he gets traded to a poor team..What. The. farg.
reid and mcnabb will skip off into the sunset holding hands forever...dont forget it.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 02, 2010, 01:44:37 PM
Was listenting to 97.5 a bit ago...did I just hear what I think I did? Jay Glazer reports that Andy told 5 he won't neccessarily take the best deal if it means he gets traded to a poor team..What. The. farg.
yup...so now they're coddling him even after he's gone. It's sickening, get the best farging deal out there and move on. Donovans feelings should be the last thing they worry about especially since they wasted the last 11 years trying to build his confidence.
So its a foregone conclusion that he's gone.
farging losers.
Akers better watch his back.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2010, 05:05:14 PM
So its a foregone conclusion that he's gone.
farging losers.
it's been a forgone conclusion for months.
and in this case it makes them "winners" or in the least, "realists." the brown trade, no.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 02, 2010, 05:14:52 PM
Akers better watch his back.
I'm just worried about Trotter. :paranoid
This is always awesome to hear, but even better when its like the umpteenth time you heard it from an opposing player.
Cowboys linebacker Keith Brooking said that the Eagles would make a mistake if they dealt Donovan McNabb.
Considering the fact that Dallas smoked the Eagles in the regular-season finale and the playoffs last season, you got to wonder if Brooking just wants to see McNabb still at quarterback. "You don't know what you got until it's gone," Brooking said today on a ESPN radio in Dallas. He added: "It's not like the Eagles have five or six rings or any championships. That guy's been getting booed there since he was drafted."
Brooking placed most of the blame for the Eagles' three losses to the Cowboys on the playcalling. Coach Andy Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg script the offense and make the calls.
"The way we dominated them, obviously McNabb didn't play his best, but they were very predictable," Brooking said. "We knew exactly what was coming on every play. A lot of that didn't have to do with Donovan McNabb."
brooking is such a little twat. what he says carries even less weight than what you say.
yeah except he's saying the same thing we've heard defenders say a few times over the last few seasons. That the offense and play calling is predictable and easy to defend.
Must be Donovan's fault.
lets do the math....if youre an in division opposing defensive player who do you want at QB for the eagles next year....
Everyone says the same damn thing as Brooking.
Everyone except for the nitwit fans (and their leader Angelo Cataldi).
here comes 5 to save the day.........that means phreaky phreak is on his way........where there is a wrong to right...phreak will join the fight!....on the sea or on the land....jay and donnie got the situation well in hand!
drunk igy is funny.
Skins inquiring about mcNabb?
Where'd ya hear that?
That would be the ultimate kick in the balls. Trade one of my all time favorites to the team that I probably despise the most.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 03, 2010, 09:12:21 PM
Skins inquiring about mcNabb?
that would be idiotic unless it was a Herschel Walker like trade. You can't trade within the division.
Jay Glazer tweeted it. Fire up the microphones!
you only dont trade within the division if you are scared
are you honestly scared of 5 going to dc? are you scared that hes going to win a big, pressure-filled game for the first time in his life when he comes to philly? come on.
Um, McNabb a taterskin. What.
unbelievably ballsy move going in division
holy farging shtein.
Oh farg.
Unreal.
Are they serious?
Just heard from a friend. Anyone know terms?
wow, 2nd rounder possibly
Words can't even begin to describe the immense hatred I have right now for Jeff Lurie, Joe Banner, Andy Reid and Howie Roseman.
This is going to be harder on Havas. McNabb goes from team 1A to 1B.
Shefter's reporting it. No details yet.
I don't farging believe it.
Holy shtein
So...
What did they get?
farg YOU EAGLES.
I am speechless. I am without speech.
Scroll on ESPN had no details.
QuoteSources: McNabb headed to Washington
The two sides still must finalize language, but McNabb is now headed to Washington. Compensation is not yet known, but it is likely to include Washington's 2010 second-round pick.
The move means the taterskins now have a new starting quarterback and the Eagles have a new one as well in Kevin Kolb. Michael Vick is now in line as the team's backup.
Sources said McNabb's contract, which has one year and $11.2 million left on it, scared off several other teams. McNabb is due a $6.2 million roster bonus on May 5 and is scheduled to become a free agent after the 2010 season.
At the league meetings, head coach Andy Reid said the Eagles were listening to offers for all three quarterbacks, including 11-year veteran McNabb, who quickly said on his Web site that he wanted a quick resolution to the trade conversations.
Sounds like their second rounder.
breaking news on ESPNEWS
I don't even know what to say.
The EMB is completely frozen, though. Which is nice.
McLane is reporting...
2nd rounder this year
3rd AND 4th next year
...And the Skins 3rd or 4th next year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2010, 08:27:42 PM
McLane is reporting...
2nd rounder this year
3rd AND 4th next year
check that...Schefter says 3rd or 4th.
Rotoworld says Andre Carter may be involved.
They had to have given him an extension. No way he's worth three picks.
None.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Jurgensen
Repeat
I hate this move only because he's going to the Skins, now they have the 4th pick in the draft to use on a non-QB too. The compensation is fine otherwise.
Jurgensen played for the Skins for 10 years after he left Philly and won exactly zero championships there.
I'd be fine with that.
I want to start an igy xmas fund: Authentic McNabb skins jersey butta joint...comes with a klan hood.
I've texted a half dozen people and no one believes me. They all think I'm drunk texting.
:-D
Quote from: Rome on April 04, 2010, 08:37:08 PM
I've texted a half dozen people and no one believes me. They all think I'm drunk texting.
:-D
That's the first thing I thought when you text'd me
farging shteinbag Eagles.
The farging jizzheads on ES are mostly against the move. lol
farg You Andy Reid.
The 37th pick in the draft for that old broken down cornball dickhead is a haul, Phreak. Adding a 3 or 4 next year to it makes it highway robbery.
Get your head on straight, son.
lol, the taterskins
Yeah, the comp isn't an issue, in fact is quite good.
yeah, its very good, but to be in the division is ballsy. Eagles own 5 of the first 87 picks. Trade up and get Eric Berry
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 04, 2010, 08:42:07 PM
Yeah, the comp isn't an issue, in fact is quite good.
Agreed. Its that he's a taterskin...and they still have their 4th overall pick...and they're a division rival.
And I'll bet anything he whips the shtein out of the Birds next year...both times.
The arrogance of this front office makes my stomach turn.
In all fairness PG, I could QB the Skins next year and shred the Eagles defense. It'll be ugly all year, but I understand you're point.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 04, 2010, 08:43:52 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 04, 2010, 08:42:07 PM
Yeah, the comp isn't an issue, in fact is quite good.
Agreed. Its that he's a taterskin...and they still have their 4th overall pick...and they're a division rival.
And I'll bet anything he whips the shtein out of the Birds next year...both times.
The arrogance of this front office makes my stomach turn.
Yep.
Chalk up two losses to WAS next year.
Kevin Kolb!! Yay!! yeah right.
I'll agree certainly that they're arrogant and smug and all that, but goddamn it, that might be the ballsiest thing I've ever seen a team do in Philly maybe ever.
Of course, there's a thin line between ballsy & crazy and we're gonna see how it works out.
unfarging believable. this team never ceases to amaze me. now i can't even root from the guy from afar. farg off a-holes.
I couldn't root for McNabb regardless of where he landed. Goofy motherfarger.
Quote from: Rome on April 04, 2010, 08:48:04 PM
I'll agree certainly that they're arrogant and smug and all that, but goddamn it, that might be the ballsiest thing I've ever seen a team do in Philly maybe ever.
Of course, there's a thin line between ballsy & crazy and we're gonna see how it works out.
And this surpasses 'em both.
This is a gargantuan mistake.
I hope McNabb gives Andy the finger after he burns 'em for 345yds and 3 TDs in the first game.
Haha... get ahold of yourself, you sissy.
ha, Phreak is going to go smash some mexicans tonight.
Any other NFC team outside of the division, fine, but this puts them behind the Cowboys, Giants, and now the Skins in this division. So they essentially put themselves in a worse position in their own division. Pretty amazing. I like the compensation and didnt think that a 2nd rounder was possible at this point. Just dont like it helping someone in the division
He's going to be hated now more than he's ever been.
This is going to be epic.
as a sidenote, I'd love if Durnaven didnt sign an extension
Quote from: Rome on April 04, 2010, 08:53:02 PM
Haha... get ahold of yourself, you sissy.
No way man. This is farging stupid. I've never hated my own team like I do right now.
Why? Because of these three cocks...
Quote"This was a very tough decision," said head coach Andy Reid. "Donovan McNabb represented everything a football player could be during his 11 seasons in Philadelphia. He carried this organization to new heights and set a high standard of excellence both on and off the field. We thank him for everything he did for this football team and for this city."
"Donovan is the ultimate professional," said Eagles president Joe Banner. "He has an incredible work ethic and has been an integral part of our success. Over the years, Donovan has always carried himself with a great deal of dignity. He's an excellent role model for young men and women from across the region. In my mind, he'll always be remembered as one of the greatest Eagles of all time."
Eagles general manager Howie Roseman said: "Donovan is clearly one of the all-time greatest Eagles and he represented this team and this city with class over the last 11 years. Certainly a deal of his magnitude took a lot of time and effort to accomplish and it was certainly a tough decision to make in the end. We wish he and his family all the best."
lol - you need a hug, don't you?
come here...
I can't wait to hear the press conferences.
Go Phillies.
Yes!
How awesome is this? Epic nfc east games coming and that doesn't strike me as 5's specialty.
Ps I called this. More on that when I get to a cpu
supposedly there's a Reid PC at 9:30
btw his WRs will be Moss, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly. Take Cooley early in your fantasy drafts...ha
ESPNNEWS is running the dirty 30 on a continuous loop now.
Awesome.
Isn't playing for the skins fairly close to hell?
Also, Campbell played well against the Eagles, so... That's something.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!?
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 04, 2010, 09:04:02 PM
supposedly there's a Reid PC at 9:30
btw his WRs will be Moss, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly. Take Cooley early in your fantasy drafts...ha
And Fred Davis.
They'll draft Okung as the LT now.
He's reunited with Artis Hicks too...
QuoteI can't believe with over a decade of ****ty ass QB'ing that some of you are complaining about this. I'll say it again. McNabb has PLENTY left in the tank and we FINALLY have a leader.
Not to mention that Mike friggin' Shannahan is now our HC. I think the man knows a little bit about QB's based on his history. Don't you think?
Also, think about how motivated he will be. He would love nothing more then to stick it to the POS Eagle fans.
The taterskins fans I hate so much are going to root for one of my all timer favorite players.
Vomit inducing.
Is the PC confirmed at 930?
best player to be traded in division since babe ruth
the big question i have right now is this
was this trade done to the skins because
a. the market for donovan was just that bad
b. banner inc wants to be the smartest guy in the room and prove a point by beating mcnabb with cobb next year particularly in philly
To me this trade is great. I have always been a huge McNabb fan and I finally wanted him to go. So if he kicks the Eagles ass, I deserve it, if not well...
I think they got a much better offer from the skins than they were getting from anyone else.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 04, 2010, 09:17:59 PM
I think they got a much better offer from the skins than they were getting from anyone else.
Goes without saying the Skins are the only ones dumb enough to give up that much.
i am so excited for this season.
Sal Pal is saying that McNabb requested the taterskins and Reid gladly acknowledged the request.
Swear to God.
BFF!
I wonder if Reid will give McNabb the team's defensive playcalls before each game.
Reid is fatter than ever.
I'm curious to see how many times in the two games this season McNabb pump fakes to Samuel's side and then misses with wide open receiver.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 04, 2010, 09:17:09 PM
best player to be traded in division since babe ruth
the big question i have right now is this
was this trade done to the skins because
a. the market for donovan was just that bad
b. banner inc wants to be the smartest guy in the room and prove a point by beating mcnabb with cobb next year particularly in philly
B x 1000.
And they took the gusto away from the Phillies as opening day approaches tomorrow. Someone on the Phils MB predicted this would happen, that he'd be dealt today or tomorrow to steal the Phillies thunder.
just learned the Skins are proposing the league office to have bounce passes allowed this year.
Third and short will never be the same again. :'(
RIP worm burners.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 04, 2010, 09:33:18 PM
just learned the Skins are proposing the league office to have bounce passes allowed this year.
You don't deserve it, but I laughed anyway.
Reid: "This will be a good situation for Donovan. It'll be a good situation for Shanahan." WHO GIVES A farg!?! If it's good them, it's bad for you, ya fat dumb bitch.
"It's a good situation for Donovan, Mike Shannahan, and the Washington taterskins"
It's like a bukkake of stupidity
Quote from: Rome on April 04, 2010, 09:26:49 PM
Sal Pal is saying that McNabb requested the taterskins and Reid gladly acknowledged the request.
Swear to God.
lol.
Sal gonna be in on the Cataldi and Rhea gangbang tomorrow?
Quote from: Don Ho on April 04, 2010, 09:34:06 PM
Third and short will never be the same again. :'(
RIP worm burners.
Sure it will, Reid will still call 20 yard pass plays on them.
Nice of CSN to fix the audio 10 minutes into the pc
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 04, 2010, 09:36:24 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on April 04, 2010, 09:34:06 PM
Third and short will never be the same again. :'(
RIP worm burners.
Sure it will, Reid will still call 20 yard pass plays on them.
He'll have to find some way to miss out on first down, now that the quarterback isn't going to send a pass floating ten feet over the fullback's head.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 04, 2010, 09:35:00 PM
Reid: "This will be a good situation for Donovan. It'll be a good situation for Shanahan." WHO GIVES A farg!?! If it's good them, it's bad for you, ya fat dumb bitch.
feel free to take your fat ass down 95 to be with them
There it was. Reid just said what everyone should have known was lying behind their reasoning on this: He mentioned the Pats trading Bledsoe to the Bills, and basically said, "look what happened there." GOLD STANDARD.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 04, 2010, 09:44:23 PM
There it was. Reid just said what everyone should have known was lying behind there reasoning on this: He mention the Pats trading Bledsoe to the Bills, and basically said, look what happened there. GOLD STANDARD.
Did he really?
Ugh.
And now rumors are starting that Campbell will be dealt to DEN for Marshall.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 04, 2010, 09:44:23 PM
There it was. Reid just said what everyone should have known was lying behind there reasoning on this: He mention the Pats trading Bledsoe to the Bills, and basically said, look what happened there. GOLD STANDARD.
If Kevin Kolb turns out to be Tom Brady like, I'll jack off to naked pictures of Joe Banner and Andy Reid for a week straight.
I'm thinking the chances are more in favor of Bobby Hoying Kolb.
lol, Denver is not trading Marshall for Campbell.
Ha...wouldn't it be a bitch if the Skins went out and signed T.O.?
andy said he wishes donovan luck in all games except against the eagles
motherfarger hes in your division...so you want him to be 14-2
which is announced first?
donovan extension or cobb extension
now that donnie mac isn't on the payroll, i hope he comes out and bashes the shtein out of the organization.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 04, 2010, 09:52:59 PM
Ha...wouldn't it be a bitch if the Skins went out and signed T.O.?
Holy farg, that would be amazing!
Reid just identified PIMP as a leader on the offense.
Celek too.
Nice.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 04, 2010, 09:53:49 PM
now that donnie mac isn't on the payroll, i hope he comes out and bashes the shtein out of the organization.
I would love it, but I dont think he will.
ES is epic right now
This thread is when there was speculation about a trade, not one person was for it. (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=320528)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 04, 2010, 09:53:49 PM
now that donnie mac isn't on the payroll, i hope he comes out and bashes the shtein out of the organization.
Won't happen, once a company man, always a company man. He might do his typical passive aggressive read-between-the-lines slam, but that's the most we can hope for.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 04, 2010, 09:53:49 PM
now that donnie mac isn't on the payroll, i hope he comes out and bashes the shtein out of the organization.
why the farg would he do that? they gave him 100 million dollars and every other thing he ever asked for including which team he'd be traded to tonight.
you guys are acting like bitches who got raped at mike tyson's pad tonight.
jesus...
Quote from: Rome on April 04, 2010, 09:54:26 PM
Reid just identified PIMP as a leader on the offense.
Celek too.
Nice.
He said that the veteran leadership on offense is Kolb, Jackson, and Celek.
The ink's been dry on the Kolb extension for awhile now, I bet. That bitch will be announced tomorrow morning.
lol at TO to WAS...that would be awesomely funny in a farg you Andy way.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 04, 2010, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 04, 2010, 09:54:26 PM
Reid just identified PIMP as a leader on the offense.
Celek too.
Nice.
He said that the veteran leadership on offense is Kolb, Jackson, and Celek.
yeah, kolb was already mentioned as a leader, wasn't he?
This makes me feel like when Pesci got whacked in Goodfellas...
"they even shot him in the face so his mother couldn't give him an open casket funeral"
"They had the balls to trade him to a division rival so the fans couldn't even root for him after he was gone'
Jackoffs
ha! like they care about the fans.
PIMP is on ESPN News right now.
donz iz my manz and kolbzys da shizzl4now.
Quote from: Rome on April 04, 2010, 10:09:45 PM
donz iz my manz and kolbzys da shizzl4now.
Was he wearing his top hat?
Quote
That echoes something McNabb told Brian Mitchell, as Mitchell said on Comcast SportsNet.
"In his voice I heard a lot of enthusiasm," Mitchell said of his own conversation with McNabb. "And you know, he may not be exactly like me, but I could hear he had a little revenge in that voice, too. And he wants to go to the Eagles and show them that they made a mistake."
cant believe he would hold a grudge against this team
lol @ revenge.
jesus...
(http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/smilies/Standard/violin.gif)
He's gonna throw up on the Eagles logo.
Quote from: KDS on March 27, 2010, 02:38:39 PM
im guessing one of those teams in the skins. now i would love that just for the media hype surrounding it but would those 2 teams really be willing to make a trade of this magnitude?
BOOM
and this was "laughed" at by such football dignitaries as sargent philly sports nutsack and reese. two of the smartest minds to grace this fine board, i know, but nevertheless:
i. am. god.
go taterskins
if you've ever asked yourself whether I could possibly be more annoying that question has just been answered.
(http://sfu2.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/taterskins-logo.jpg)
Caplan was on CSN and said the Skins tried to move Haynesworth in the deal but the Eagles turned them down.
that would have been hilarious considering Reid just called out Asante on needing to play harder
After seeing the replay of the Eagles/Broncos game last year they showed the conversation between Celek, Kolb, and Desean (it may have been Avant). The discussion revolved around whether or not Champ was the guy who was burned on the TD. Needless to say, the camaraderie shown when Kolb says "You spun him like a top!" clearly illustrated they are growing together and that's more than I've seen from Nabbs over the last few years.
That being said, I'm pissed he was traded to the Skins.
mcnabb has his own special section on the espn ticker.....just like favre.
This trade is great!
wilbon column on the trade
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/04/AR2010040403463.html
mike has a boner and hes not afraid to let you know
Quote from: KDS on April 05, 2010, 02:44:46 AM
wilbon column on the trade
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/04/AR2010040403463.html
mike has a boner and hes not afraid to let you know
Swell. Can't wait for all the talking heads to go on and on the next few days about how the city never embraced DMac, booed on draft day, under appreciated, blah, blah, blah.
Clayton says the Eagles targeted the Vikings, Cards, and 49ers for McNabb, but they weren't willing to make the trade.
Shefter is saying Mcnabb refused a trade to the Raiders
The years of mocking that the douches on ES spouted about McNabb is really making this all worth while for me... well that and the draft picks. Oh and the fact that I no longer have the option of being a Hoyda ass bitch and 'rooting' for a former Eagle that I had mixed feelings about. No more mixed feelings. Just hate. The way god intended.
LOL at Campbell
Thanks for the great memories 5. He did more for this team than most of you seem to remember, mostly with little to no talent on offense. While the trade makes more sense now and the team is in rebuilding mode, I still can't get excited until the monster of Andy Reid is gone. IMO, the great young talent we have now is going to have the next 3 years wasted on stupid, mindless, bad decisions by a fundamentally retarded coach. Just like the entire career of McNabb to date. Shipping him to the farging taterskins?!? Scratching head...
Quote from: mussa on April 05, 2010, 08:11:37 AM
Thanks for the great memories 5. He did more for this team than most of you seem to remember, mostly with little to no talent on offense. While the trade makes more sense now and the team is in rebuilding mode, I still can't get excited until the monster of Andy Reid is gone. IMO, the great young talent we have now is going to have the next 3 years wasted on stupid, mindless, bad decisions by a fundamentally retarded coach. Just like the entire career of McNabb to date. Shipping him to the farging taterskins?!? Scratching head...
I think everyone (even igy) appreciates what he did for the team on the field during his time here, it was just time to move on and everyone knows it.
In addition to Haynesworth being offered, they supposedly offered Landry too. Thank God the Eagles said no, hes terrible.
Quotetaterskins offered Albert Haynesworth to the Eagles
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2010 8:03 AM ET
As mentioned in the 10-pack we pounded out last night for SportingNews.com and by Rosenthal several hours earlier, the taterskins dangled defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth as part of the trade talk that culminated in the Donovan McNabb deal.
We've heard that safety LaRon Landry's name also came up during the discussions.
Adam Caplan of Scout.com (via Sheil Kapadia of Philly.com) has likewise reported that Haynesworth was offered to the Eagles. We heard in the wake of the deal that the Eagles had no interest in adding Haynesworth to the team.
Bottom line? The new regime in D.C. definitely seems to be souring on the crown jewel of last year's free-agent class.
the taterskins - :-D
nice move by the dmac camp to make this happen.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 04, 2010, 08:49:50 PM
unfarging believable. this team never ceases to amaze me. now i can't even root from the guy from afar. farg off a-holes.
That is where the brilliance of this deal comes in...
They probably did not like all the denver/dawkins shirts last year. This way there is no self respecting eagles fan that would be caught dead in a taterskins getup under any circumstances.
Quote from: KDS on April 05, 2010, 02:44:46 AM
wilbon column on the trade
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/04/AR2010040403463.html
mike has a boner and hes not afraid to let you know
QuoteThe most important thing to the success of a franchise is having an established coach and quarterback, people with commanding presence. And the taterskins have that in Mike Shanahan and McNabb, something they haven't had since perhaps Joe Gibbs and Mark Rypien.
Problem with that statment is his hero McNabb is the only one of those guys without a ring. what a joke of an article. Brutal
wilbon doesn't hide the fact that he's a homer for mcnabb. always has been.
so wilbon thinks mcnabb brings a commanding presence ?
My 95 year old grandmother would be a commanding presence on the taterskins.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 05, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
My 95 year old grandmother would be a commanding presence on the taterskins.
PICS OR GTFO
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 05, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
My 95 year old grandmother would be a commanding presence on the taterskins.
probably only because she never played air banjo in public.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 05, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
My 95 year old grandmother would be a commanding presence on the taterskins.
95 year old women fit in at Fedex..4 of them yelled at me and Sean in 03' for standing and cheering. Old whores.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 05, 2010, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 05, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
My 95 year old grandmother would be a commanding presence on the taterskins.
95 year old women fit in at Fedex..4 of them yelled at me and Sean in 03' for standing and cheering. Old whores.
haaa, good times.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 05, 2010, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 05, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
My 95 year old grandmother would be a commanding presence on the taterskins.
95 year old women fit in at Fedex..4 of them yelled at me and Sean in 03' for standing and cheering. Old whores.
the hogettes?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2010, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 05, 2010, 10:49:16 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 05, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
My 95 year old grandmother would be a commanding presence on the taterskins.
95 year old women fit in at Fedex..4 of them yelled at me and Sean in 03' for standing and cheering. Old whores.
the hogettes?
nah, these were actually women. picture the golden girls. they ranted on us all game until the 4th whem we turned around and ripped into them.
Ballsy.
lol. farging die hard shows no mercy. probably should have punched one of them in the face.
QuoteInstead of praying for a spectacular interception-filled flameout, most non-committed NFL fans will be begging for Donovan McNabb to DESTROY the Eagles next season. Even if that means not being able to laugh at the taterskins.
http://twitpic.com/1devf7
:puke
Quote from: phattymatty on April 05, 2010, 11:58:10 AM
QuoteInstead of praying for a spectacular interception-filled flameout, most non-committed NFL fans will be begging for Donovan McNabb to DESTROY the Eagles next season. Even if that means not being able to laugh at the taterskins.
ha thats great, wheres that from
http://deadspin.com/5509627/donovan-mcnabb-wins-the-weekend (http://deadspin.com/5509627/donovan-mcnabb-wins-the-weekend)
gracias senor
couple of things from that article.
QuoteAn aging, underachieving quarterback near the end of his contract life. An impatient front office with a youngster that they believe to be their future.
impatient ?
QuoteSeriously? That's who you want to throw away a lifetime of goodwill and simultaneously empower a division rival for?
lifetime of goodwill ?
http://shop.taterskins.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKUID=129410
not even a mock-up of the jersey....just a goofy smile
gross
now the real jersey is up. looks weird
Wait a second, Colt Brennen is #5!
Quote from: Don Ho on April 05, 2010, 02:44:34 PM
Wait a second, Colt Brennen is #5!
Apparently not anymore.
Steuber's hero switched to #15
The skins are charging $71.99 for an adult-size McNabb replica jersey.
The Eagles are charging $79.99 for an adult-size Kolb replica jersey.
Collusion.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 05, 2010, 03:02:19 PM
The skins are charging $71.99 for an adult-size McNabb replica jersey.
The Eagles are charging $79.99 for an adult-size Kolb replica jersey.
The $79.99 is obviously a more accurate price.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 05, 2010, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 05, 2010, 03:02:19 PM
The skins are charging $71.99 for an adult-size McNabb replica jersey.
The Eagles are charging $79.99 for an adult-size Kolb replica jersey.
The $79.99 is obviously a more accurate price.
Clever.
Worst. Front. Office. Ever.
Bee interesting to see what 5 can do with a real coach on the sidelines. Not saying he's going to take them to the SB, but he's a huge short-term upgrade at the position for the Skins, and if they beat the Eagles even once this season (not that unlikely given our numerous problems) Banner and pals will never hear the end of it from fans. Of course except for Cooley their receivers are suspect at best, which might actually benefit 5 since they will rely on the running game. Really I don't expect much this year, but in the future...???
Worst part is I'll have to actually watch non-Eagles Skins games this year to see what he does... :paranoid
Quote from: NC_Eagle on April 05, 2010, 06:19:29 PMhe's a huge upgrade at the position for the Skins
you sure about that?
McNabb is obviously better than Campbell, but Campbell actually threw for more yards and had a higher completion % than McNabb in 2009.
Quote from: NC_Eagle on April 05, 2010, 06:19:29 PM
Of course except for Cooley their receivers are suspect at best
Good thing McNabb never throws to a TE. Even better thing that the Eagles defense is known for their unbelievable TE coverage.
Quote from: King Cole on April 05, 2010, 07:34:06 PM
McNabb is obviously better than Campbell
you sure about that?
Yes. Campbell holds the ball even longer than McNabb does and can't read a defense to save his life.
i love reading your takes on sports
I'd take Campbell over McNabb in a second. I think Washington took at best a lateral step with this trade. Sure, they got a famous quarterback and all, but McNabb sure as hell looked done a lot last year. He looked good at times too but usually against horrible non-playoff bound teams.
Whatever... it's over now and thank God we'll only have to suffer through this dramarama a little while longer until the season rolls around.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2010, 07:39:17 PM
i love making it so everyone here has to read your take on sports
ESPN added to its report that the skins' first offer included Haynesworth, and the Eagles weren't interested.
Well, duh. High-priced and over 30, right?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 05, 2010, 07:50:14 PM
ESPN added to its report that the skins' first offer included Haynesworth, and the Eagles weren't interested.
Well, duh. High-priced and over 30, right?
He is 28.
I was listening to AR's interview on NFL Radio with Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan. He sounded almost happy that McNabb was leaving or maybe he was just relieved it is all over.
Quote from: Rome on April 05, 2010, 07:40:50 PM
I'd take Campbell over McNabb in a second. I think Washington took at best a lateral step with this trade. Sure, they got a famous quarterback and all, but McNabb sure as hell looked done a lot last year. He looked good at times too but usually against horrible non-playoff bound teams.
Whatever... it's over now and thank God we'll only have to suffer through this dramarama a little while longer until the season rolls around.
Lateral at best? I think you guys let your hatred for McNabb blind you. I would imagine if you took a poll of NFL coaches and GMs that almost all of them would take McNabb over Campbell.....age not being a factor.
Quote from: Rome on April 05, 2010, 07:40:50 PM
I'd take Campbell over McNabb in a second. I think Washington took at best a lateral step with this trade. Sure, they got a famous quarterback and all, but McNabb sure as hell looked done a lot last year. He looked good at times too but usually against horrible non-playoff bound teams.
Whatever... it's over now and thank God we'll only have to suffer through this dramarama a little while longer until the season rolls around.
So basically you're saying he's gonna kick the Birds ass twice next season.
Campbell is five years younger than McNabb and basically had the same type of year statistically last year that McNabb did, and he did that without the sort of weapons that McNabb had.
But you guys are right... McNabb is much better than Campbell.
Rome and Havas are incurable from their McNabb hate.
Campbell better than DMac? Straight crazy. The both of ya's.
I heard Reid's interview on Sirius too. I wanted to crash the car in his face.
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23McNabbwastradedfor
Quote from: Rome on April 05, 2010, 08:16:23 PM
Campbell is five years younger than McNabb and basically had the same type of year statistically last year that McNabb did, and he did that without the sort of weapons that McNabb had.
But you guys are right... McNabb is much better than Campbell.
In fairness to McNabb his oline was terrible last season. I am glad to see McNabb gone...but lets not pretend he is the worst QB in the NFL. As much as Phreak is blinded by his homerism that is how bad you sound with your hatred of him.
Quote from: Rome on April 05, 2010, 08:16:23 PM
Campbell is five years younger than McNabb and basically had the same type of year statistically last year that McNabb did, and he did that without the sort of weapons that McNabb had.
But you guys are right... McNabb is much better than Campbell.
The bottom line agrees:
As a starter Jason Campbell has a record of
20 wins and 32 loses.
The Eagles were
92-49-1 in regular-season games that McNabb started and
9-7 in the playoffs.
Peter King's take:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/04/05/mcnabb/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/04/05/mcnabb/index.html)
QuoteThis is what the most interesting trade in the NFL since Eric Dickerson to the Colts in 1987 came down to:
From Washington's perspective, Mike Shanahan looked at Donovan McNabb and saw John Elway. In 1995, Shanahan took the Denver coaching job and inherited a quarterback who couldn't win the big one, who'd gotten stale, who'd lost the faith of the locals in Denver to deliver a Super Bowl. Elway, then 35, went on to play four years for Shanahan and win two Super Bowls. In 2010, Shanahan takes the Washington coaching job and deals for a quarterback who couldn't win the big one, who'd gotten stale, who'd lost the faith of the locals in Philadelphia to deliver a Super Bowl. McNabb is 33. He wants to play at least four more years.
From Philadelphia's perspective, and I've written this a hundred times, Andy Reid looked at his team and saw Groundhog Day. Highly competitive every year, falling short every year, usually with some painful offensive futility involved. The vomitous, time-wasting drive at the end of the Super Bowl five years ago, the no-touchdowns-in-the-first-21-possessions frustration in the final two games against Dallas last season. And Reid has a capable young drone, Kevin Kolb, a player whose release, demeanor and progress in three years intrigues him.
I like Shanahan and GM Bruce Allen knowing they probably couldn't get the college quarterback of their dreams, Sam Bradford, in trade with St. Louis -- and going out and getting a 2010-ready passer who will upgrade their team drastically at the most important position on the field. I'll be surprised if Washington isn't at least four wins better this year, a .500 team.
Jason Campbell trade partners. I don't think he's worth much -- maybe a fifth-round pick -- but if, say, the Bills or Raiders want to add him to their mix, I'm sure they can have him. Washington would be happy to go forward with Rex Grossman as McNabb's backup if they could get a draft pick for Campbell, who I never believed was any part of Shanahan's long-term plans.
As we digest the McNabb trade, consider what happened the last time Washington coach Mike Shanahan took a 30-something quarterback under his wing and tried to win a Super Bowl with him. With John Elway, Shanahan actually won two.
John Elway Comp-Att. Pct. Yards TD Int
Pre-Shanahan, 1983-94 3030-5384 .562 37,736 199 177
With Shanahan, 1995-98 1093-1866 .585 13,739 101 49
For the record, Elway was 50-17 in four seasons with Shanahan.
BDawk: "You finally get him the weapons he's been asking for, and the fans have been asking for, and then you trade him before he can grow with them".
Yep.
Never said he was better. I said he was younger and the stats from last year for both players were very similar.
Quote from: Rome on April 05, 2010, 08:37:37 PM
Never said he was better. I said he was younger and the stats from last year for both players were very similar.
Sorry, thought you were being cynical.
lmfao at "grow with them". how the farg is a 33 year old quarterback supposed to grow with a group of 24 year-old kids?
are you on meth or what, dude?
jesus...
and double lol @ comparing the records of campbell & mcnabb. put mcnabb on all those horrible taterskins teams with all those horrible coaches and how well do you think he would have fared?
Quote from: Rome on April 05, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
lmfao at "grow with them". how the farg is a 33 year old quarterback supposed to grow with a group of 24 year-old kids?
are you on meth or what, dude?
jesus...
and double lol @ comparing the records of campbell & mcnabb. put mcnabb on all those horrible taterskins teams with all those horrible coaches and how well do you think he would have fared?
Whatever helps you sleep better at night.
33years old - he has 3-4 more good years left.
24 years old + 3-4 years = growing.
Quote from: Rome on April 05, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
lmfao at "grow with them". how the farg is a 33 year old quarterback supposed to grow with a group of 24 year-old kids?
are you on meth or what, dude?
jesus...
and double lol @ comparing the records of campbell & mcnabb. put mcnabb on all those horrible taterskins teams with all those horrible coaches and how well do you think he would have fared?
:yay plus, wasn't it Dmac who blamed the losses to Dallas on the inexperience of the players around him? LOL its never ihs fargin fault.
Dawkins didn't just answer yes. He broke down exactly why the Eagles are making a mistake.
"You know what? For me, I would say yes," Dawkins said. " Let me preface this by saying this: You finally get Donovan the weapons that he's been asking for, and the fans have been asking for, for many, many years. You finally get D-Jack (DeSean Jackson) outside. [Jeremy] Maclin's doing a great job. [Brent] Celek has blossomed into one of the best tight ends in the game. You have Jason Avant to move the chains, a physical inside slot guy. So you're finally getting those things in place and then you trade a guy who is playing at a high level still. That's what I don't understand.
"If you tell me that Donovan has been slipping, he's not been playing that Pro Bowl-type ball or that MVP-type ball on a consistent basis. Now, I'm not talking about slipping up every once in a while, or not having good games every once in a while, I'm talking about on a consistent basis playing high-caliber football, which he's still doing, then I could see that. But not this. Not this when you have all those weapons in place and now you don't allow him to grow with those weapons and have those weapons grow with him so that they can see if this is the mix that could finally get Philadelphia that championship."
blah blah blah...you clowns dancing on his grave crack me up.
Don't complain if we see zesty football now. If they finish 4-12 and Jesus Kolb has 20 Tds and 27 INTs not a peep.
Elway is a smart guy, and McNabb is dumber than shtein. But otherwise the comparisons are legit.
lol @ listening to dawk
what do you think hes gonna say. 5 is his boy, he's been with him since day 1. of course hes gonna defend him. he sees kolb as just another punk ass whose done nothing.
lol at your deflecting anything or anyone speaking out against the trade.
dawk has the same pull as kolbs parents do.
the inside stuff is the interesting thing. not you could have guessed it reactions from pimp and dawk and the like. what the farg you think they gonna say?
people in here acting like they never liked mcnabb--cracks me up
and I dont think I laughed that hard in a long time when Rome said he would take Campbell in a heart beat over Mcnabb. One year, he had better passing yards and completion percentage (by like what 60 some yards--and mcnabb missed 2 games).
Campbell is a very big reason the skins have been so bad....and with all of his 15 cute int's last year. Yep, take him in a heartbeat.
McNabb or Kolb is irrelevant this year because their defense will be so god awful.
It's the years after that which are relevant. I have no idea what Kolb will do but I have no doubt that finding out is a better option than giving McNabb an extension or letting him walk with no compensation.
QuoteAndy Reid once wanted to be a sportswriter, which might explain why he just made a trade that was dumber than a fur sink.
Reid, the Philadelphia Eagles' coach, just traded a 33-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback to a team in his own division. And not just any team -- a team coached by a Super Bowl coach, Mike Shanahan.
Understand, Donovan McNabb did not have trade approval. Reid could've exiled McNabb to Oakland or Buffalo, but he didn't. "We thought this was best for Donovan," Reid said.
Best for Donovan? What is this, a halfway house? This is a business! I get that Reid feels "close" to Donovan and "likes" Donovan, but does Reid like his job? He just handed Shanahan the hammer to beat him over the head with! And Reid even admitted McNabb would've been "happy" going to Oakland.
Do you think Bill Belichick would've done it? Traded a quarterback with three or four good years left in him to an offensive genius in his own division? No. Belichick would've traded him to Kazakhstan. Belichick does what's best for Belichick, not the player he's shipping out.
"I was very much surprised [McNabb was traded to a division rival]," says John Elway, who was two years older than McNabb is now when Shanahan went to Denver, where the two of them won two Super Bowls together. "It's a great deal for McNabb. Older quarterbacks have had success with Mike."
Look, Reid's not sending McNabb off to war here. He's just sending him somewhere else to make his $11.2 million a year.
Here's how you trade your superstar. When the Dodgers wanted to trade Jackie Robinson, they sent him to the team he hated the most, the Giants. Robinson retired rather than play for them.
Unless McNabb suddenly gets an incurable case of gout in the offseason, this is one good deed that definitely won't go unpunished.
source that shtein girl
crap, sorry, it must have cut off the top of the article....ESPN...Rick Reilly.
Worst lines in that drivel:
QuoteReid, the Philadelphia Eagles' coach, just traded a 33-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback to a team in his own division. And not just any team -- a team coached by a Super Bowl coach, Mike Shanahan.
There is no way to sugar coat that the skins are easily the worst team in the division. Instead, here is a solid effort to make them sound like the most fearsome solely because of their coach. Awful.
QuoteDo you think Bill Belichick would've done it? Traded a quarterback with three or four good years left in him to an offensive genius in his own division?
Hilarious that Belicheck was indeed the last coach/GM combo to trade a former franchise QB to a division rival. Fact checking be damned!
of course, reilly is a denver guy and he's on shanahans dong for all the stuff hes given him over the years
god i wish rick reilly would go away
do any of these writers understand that Shanahan was basically thrown out the door by the Broncos? He hasnt been any kind of offensive genius in 13 years and has farged up so many drafts beyond those years its not even funny.
Quote from: KDS on April 05, 2010, 10:52:11 PM
of course, reilly is a denver guy and he's on shanahans dong for all the stuff hes given him over the years
god i wish rick reilly would go away
Yeah it is a wonder guys like him and Bayless even have jobs.
the Eagles can say whatever they want about wanting to help donovan out, but the fact remains they wouldn't have traded him in-division if they really thought it could hurt them. that tells you all you need to know about what kind of game he has left.
NFL.com "experts" weigh in (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d8175aabb&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)
Marshall Faulk = diesel
Brian Baldinger = racist
Jason LaCanfora = gelding
Solomon Wilcots = finally makes a point
I don't think I've read anyone hate on McNabb in all of this as much as Baldy.
QuoteBrian Baldinger: Eagles have no regret
The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the taterskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The taterskins will be watching from the golf course.
I'm still in shock. McNabb a friggen' taterskin... He's gonna get killed behind that line. You think the Eagles o-line is bad? Ha! McNabb will never last the whole season.
I'm happy the Eagles are moving foward instead of sitting stuck in the mud. I feel this move is addition by subtraction. McNabb is oft injured and on the downside of his career. It was time.
I've heard Baldy say less than flattering things about McNabb before....but that was pretty bad.
Rich Hofmann makes more sense than most of you fools. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/89895087.html)
QuoteMcNabb holds most of the measurable quarterback records in the history of the franchise. He won a lot of games and a lot of playoff games. You can acknowledge that and still acknowledge the need for a change - there is no inconsistency there. Kolb is ready and the franchise is ready. It does not detract from the historic picture of McNabb, not from its greatness, not from its flaws.
Other than the part about Kolb being ready (very much yet to be determined)...he hit the nail on the head.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 06, 2010, 10:29:28 AM
Other than the part about Kolb being ready (very much yet to be determined)...he hit the nail on the head.
BROKEN RECORD.
in case nobody heard...Kolb is ready.
Can we move this thread to the appropriate board please?
Merge with "Good Riddance" thread? Phreak would love that.
I've pretty much been saying what Hoffman is saying from the start. Go me....off a cliff.
recap of mcnabb's presser - i am paraphrasing but it kind of went like this.
boo farging who i was so mistreated;
everyone else failed but me;
i am the next elway;
happy to be on a team that knows how to win;
nice to be somewhere where players want to put the work in:
glad i don't have to worry about a fanbase with any expectations;
If McNabb just made his sentences half as long, there wouldn't be near the animosity towards him.
"I've been treated fairly.............and I don't listen to how the fans treat me because I let it roll off my shoulders".
What would you say to fans?
"Thank you.......for allowing me to show my skills and make a team go from 3-13 to 10 wins every year".
Just shut your mouth after answering the question succinctly and move on to the next question OR come out and be farging honest about how you feel about everything. He wallows in the middle and it pisses people off.
does anyone have a link for the press conference? PFT supposedly has it but Im having problems there
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 06, 2010, 10:29:28 AM
Other than the part about Kolb being ready (very much yet to be determined)...he hit the nail on the head.
hes saying that hes ready to show if hes ready or not
dan lefevour is not ready to be an nfl starter...kevin cobb is
riding the bench for another year won't do kolb any good. he's had 4 years to study the playbook, learn the offense, run the scout team and even get a couple of starts under his belt. he's as ready to play as you can possibly be. there's no doubt about that at all. the question is whether or not he'll be any good.
kolb is ready. to say otherwise is just silly.
QuoteHow The 2011 McNabb Pick Can Become A 3rd-Rounder
By now, everyone knows the terms of the Donovan McNabb trade to Philadelphia. The former Eagles stalwart was sent to the division-rival Washington taterskins in exchange for a second-round pick in the upcoming NFL draft (37th overall) and a fourth-round pick in 2011 that can become a third-rounder.
But what exactly are the conditions under which that future fourth-rounder can be bumped up to the third-round?
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that only one of the following two conditions must be met in order for the draft pick to become a third-round selection.
1. McNabb goes to the Pro Bowl
2. McNabb plays 70 percent of the snaps in Washington and the taterskins win at least nine games.
McNabb went to the Pro Bowl following the 2009 season and has made the all-star game six times in his career.
The fun part of these parameters? Eagles fans can help the team out by voting for McNabb - presumably along with Kevin Kolb - during next year's balloting process.
Has voting opened yet? Kolb wouldn't get to play in the Pro Bowl anyway for obvious reasons, so we should def spend all our effort voting for McNabb.
i would vote mcnabb to the pro bowl. not because i think mcnabb should go. not because it will help the eagles. i would do it simply because it would farg the taterskins and the thought of actually playing a small, but vital role in the suffering of those half breeds makes me feel all gooey inside.
IN
How many quarterbacks were voted to the Pro Bowl last year? McNabb will get a nod there based soley on name recognition.
espn.com
Quote
NFL Rumors
T.O. may be reunited with McNabb in WAS
that rumor was bound to happen no matter what the truth really is
I like rumors about things that could maybe happen possibly. I'd like to start the rumor that Danny has worked out a deal with the Aurora Borealis to hover over FedEx Field for any night or afternoon games.
Quote from: smeags on April 06, 2010, 05:52:41 PM
kolb is ready. to say otherwise is just silly.
silly you.
It was great listening to Donovan take a couple of shots at the Eagles...
The line about having a running game finally and guessing that 33 years old is too old is great.
yea, the eagles NEVER ran the ball
he didnt play with duce staley and brian westbrook and correll buckhalter
maybe if 5 wanted to run the ball so much he could have deviated from andys master plan for once in his life. but i guess when your fat mormon coach thinks for you and tells you what to do from day one by year 11 youre pretty much just a robot throwing balls at receivers feet
In fairness they didn't get the plays in very fast for McNabb to be give him a chance to audible. I don't know if that is by design or ineptitude.
This season is going to be very interesting from the aspect of seeing Reid and McNabb without each other for the first time and who will be more successful.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2010, 10:08:30 PM
It was great listening to Donovan take a couple of shots at the Eagles...
lol - what the farg is wrong with you?
when you get to the bottom of the bottle, don't eat the worm, dude. that is incredibly accurate.
phreak probably loved the part when donovan thanked the fans...for being there when he did awesome things
he never got over angelo's losers booing him on draft day. ever. he hated you and wants nothing more than destroy you next season. farg him and his really kind of gay mustache that makes him look like carl winslow.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0406/nfl_a_mcnabbd_576.jpg)
/close thread
Quote from: SunMo on April 06, 2010, 10:34:26 PM
phreak probably loved the part when donovan thanked the fans...for being there when he did awesome things
That was my favorite part. Either that or explaining how he never lets things get to him that the fans/media say. Can't decide.
Quote from: Rome on April 06, 2010, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2010, 10:08:30 PM
It was great listening to Donovan take a couple of shots at the Eagles...
lol - what the farg is wrong with you?
when you get to the bottom of the bottle, don't eat the worm, dude. that is incredibly accurate.
Like I said in the other thread, what he said is not anything different than what we and millions of other Eagles fans have said since 2002 or so.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/QBEagles/1268409148662.jpg)
from mcnabb's facebook page:
QuoteDonovan McNabbits official as of 12:15pm Eastern Time; The New Washington taterskins Quarterback, great things ahead, outstanding 11 years, but The time is now; get your new Number 5 Jersey asap, and support the McNabb Revolution!
ugh...yeah. i'm no 5 hater but this is pretty awful.
its ironic that being to old would come up with mcnabb when the problem really is that hes still a bed wetting petulent child
Sal Pal was just on Mike and Mike, he made a remark about pimps comment about being excited that there's a QB change. He said after the second loss to Dallas, when Mcnabb said "we showed our youth today", that pimp and Maclin were in the locker room saying "is he (Donovan) kidding? We've been carrying this guy all year".
And for those who didn't see it here were pimps comments:
QuoteAfter playing it straight with the press concerning the past and future of Donovan McNabb, star Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson yesterday dished to the radio station that pays him, 97.5-FM, "The Fanatic."
"It was time for a change," said Jackson - a shot, clearly, at McNabb. "We've got some young players here. I'm just excited about everything."
McNabb's criticism of the Eagles' young players in the regular-season loss in Dallas caused Jackson, in his second season, to bristle. Yesterday, as McNabb greeted the sports world as a taterskin, Jackson extracted a measure of revenge.
Given a chance to retract his stinging words, Jackson, whose show airs weekly on the station during the season, declined to soften the blow.
"At the end of the day, I'm not the owner," said Jackson, who, nevertheless, made sure he was aligned with the front office. "Obviously, that's not just my opinion. [But] I'm not going to get caught up in saying . . . whatever."
Too late.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles..._a_change_.html
It's telling that almost no one on the current roster is commenting in a negative way about McNabb's departure. It could be that they've been encouraged by management to keep quiet but I doubt this generation of athletes gives a damn what management thinks.
its no different than most of the locker room being on TO's side during that debacle....the guys not a leader and hasnt been since day one
and lol at that article trying to hype this all up by saying pimps "stinging" comments...i heard them the other day and they didnt even barely register with me...hes basically saying what most everything else has been that it was time for a change
Did anyone mention this gem (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/taterskins/2010-04-06-the-bell-tolls-donovan-mcnabb_N.htm) from Sam McNabb?
Quote"Absolutely, it meant something....We were celebrating Jesus' resurrection, right? Then we turn around and Donovan gets resurrected. Just perfect."
McNabb = Jesus
The thing that bothers me most about overtly religious people is their insistence on relating everything to their religion. Boring. Get a new topic of conversation, buttholes.
McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith, shook his head and flashed a knowing grin when asked how No. 5 has managed to shake off adversity. It was Smith who broke the news to McNabb that he had been traded, after serving as the go-between between McNabb and the Eagles in expressing the quarterback's preferred landing spot.
"Mentally, he's a lot tougher than I am," Smith said. "I couldn't endure some of the criticism he's had. But he does that as well as anyone. That defines what Donovan is."
Another definition of McNabb: If it's not one thing, it's another.
"There is no testimony without having gone through a test," Sam McNabb said.
The elder McNabb is a retired electrical engineer, but he can sure preach.
"My motto is, 'You have to go through some things to get to some things,' " he said. "What he went through in Philadelphia will probably help him get to what he really wants."
this stuff is enough to make you sick...what the farg was so difficult in philly that he had to go thru...fans that universally loved him for 95% of the time he was there...a coach and organization that for 99% of his career coddled him and made things incredibly comfortable
lets not forget also that he wasnt in one place for three four years and then fans wanted him gone...he had 11 years in one city...thats more that most all qb's get...his leash was incredibly long
whats more is that all these comments about how he will be ressurected in dc and gets a fresh start after the hell he been thru makes him look like a weakling...basically his own father is saying h couldnt handle it and get the job done and instead of bucking up and fighting thru he needs to go somewhere else where its easier for him
PLEASE
CLOSE
THIS
THREAD