Can We All Finally Agree Donovan Needs To Burn In Hell (even you phreak)

Rome · January 11, 2010, 09:41:03 AM

him throwing the youngsters under the bus was the last straw for me. his retarded shucking and jiving for the camera was the most embarrassing display i've ever seen, though. the worst as well.

PhillyGirl · January 11, 2010, 09:42:37 AM

I will say this much.

I agree he needs to go. I hate that because I think Reid set him up for failure from day 1. Its not just about giving him the tools he needs. He FINALLY got them this year, but he still got the zesty ass playcalling that comes from Reid and his pass constantly outlook. With a good run game, McNabb plays like an elite QB. When he has to pass 80% of the time, he fails.

ice grillin you · January 11, 2010, 09:43:15 AM

in fact he got more weapons and actually ended up taking a step backwards

reese125 · January 11, 2010, 10:01:56 AM

I still dont believe mcnabb with a solid run game becomes anything close to an elite qb. a good run game wouldnt help him from that ball in the dirt first pass or the pass behind maclin, etc. etc. bottom line--he holds on to the ball way too long--even longer than the average qb's in the league. he would find some way to farg it up

it was amazing last night watching Warner play the position. even though he didnt have pressure coming at him left and right all game, his ability to process the information that the defense is giving him, make that quick of a decision, and deliver a consistent accurate pass in stride is something special. I was jealous as hell.

Sgt PSN · January 11, 2010, 10:03:01 AM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 11, 2010, 09:42:37 AM
I will say this much.

I agree he needs to go. I hate that because I think Reid set him up for failure from day 1. Its not just about giving him the tools he needs. He FINALLY got them this year, but he still got the zesty ass playcalling that comes from Reid and his pass constantly outlook. With a good run game, McNabb plays like an elite QB. When he has to pass 80% of the time, he fails.

i agree to a certain extent. the first 4 years of mcnabb's career, the eagles pretty much were going as far as he could carry them and i think he did an admirable job. but if there's any one thing that can't be coached, it's mental toughness. and mcnabb hasn't developed any since he was drafted.

i still love the guy. i'm still a fan. but it's just not happening here.

PhillyGirl · January 11, 2010, 10:05:55 AM

Quote from: reese125 on January 11, 2010, 10:01:56 AM
I still dont believe mcnabb with a solid run game becomes anything close to an elite qb. a good run game wouldnt help him from that ball in the dirt first pass or the pass behind maclin, etc. etc. bottom line--he holds on to the ball way too long--even longer than the average qb's in the league. he would find some way to farg it up

it was amazing last night watching Warner play the position. even though he didnt have pressure coming at him left and right all game, his ability to process the information that the defense is giving him, make that quick of a decision, and deliver a consistent accurate pass in stride is something special. I was jealous as hell.

Reese, seriously...did you watch this season? Or any season for that matter? When the playcalling was balanced, McNabb had passer ratings in the 100s. When it wasn't, and he was forced to pass 70-80% of the time, defenses saw what was coming and he was pounced.

Again, he needs to go. I think in the right system, he'll be tremendous. But Reid has killed his chances of succeeding here.

reese125 · January 11, 2010, 10:14:08 AM

I love how a balanced system makes this guy a superior qb. forget about all your in-season dreams and passer rating stats girl--they mean jack come playoff time

if you want to believe it, by all means roll with it--you just wont be bring my ass on the train. mcnabb has proven without a doubt, right system or not that he just cant handle the pressure....I dont know how much more you need to see. all of his inadequacies have/will ultimately result in 3 and outs no matter the system when it matters the most

PhillyGirl · January 11, 2010, 10:18:01 AM

no, because a balanced attack woudln't help ANY QB. What is wrong with you?

Running the ball 10 times in a game makes the offense predictable. Play action and other plays that are SET UP by a run game...become non-existent.

I can't believe I really need to explain this to you.

ice grillin you · January 11, 2010, 10:21:15 AM

just because reid needs to call a better game doesnt explain away donovans inadequacies

at the end of the day an inaccurate up chucker is still an inaccurate upchucker

basically the mcnabb people have nothing left to defend him on so they come up with something that cant and wont be proven...which is a hypothetical 'IF reid was gone donovan would be fine'

reese125 · January 11, 2010, 10:22:01 AM

Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 11, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
no, because a balanced attack woudln't help ANY QB. What is wrong with you?

Running the ball 10 times in a game makes the offense predictable. Play action and other plays that are SET UP by a run game...become non-existent.

I can't believe I really need to explain this to you.

man..I guess you got me. what was I thinking? thanks

phillymic2000 · January 11, 2010, 10:29:15 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 10:21:15 AM
just because reid needs to call a better game doesnt explain away donovans inadequacies

at the end of the day an inaccurate up chucker is still an inaccurate upchucker

basically the mcnabb people have nothing left to defend him on so they come up with something that cant and wont be proven...which is a hypothetical 'IF reid was gone donovan would be fine'

Agreed, lets take a chance and get rid of both of them, along with the OC and DC.

PhillyGirl · January 11, 2010, 10:43:28 AM

all of which I said. Blow it all up.

Seabiscuit36 · January 11, 2010, 10:45:34 AM

10year Gold Standard

Eagles_Legendz · January 11, 2010, 11:16:19 AM

No reason to blow up the team when you have Celek/Jackson/Maclin/McCoy/Weaver (I hope) on offense. Retool the line, start Kolb at QB to see what he has and the offense should be fine. Now, if you want to completely blow up the defense and start from square one then I'm with you there.

rjs246 · January 11, 2010, 11:25:23 AM

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2010, 11:16:19 AM
No reason to blow up the team when you have Celek/Jackson/Maclin/McCoy/Weaver (I hope) on offense. Retool the line, start Kolb at QB to see what he has and the offense should be fine. Now, if you want to completely blow up the defense and start from square one then I'm with you there.

Don't really even need to retool the line in my opinion. Just need them to be healthy and play together. I don't think the line is a big issue, long term.

Everything else here I agree with.