Can We All Finally Agree Donovan Needs To Burn In Hell (even you phreak)

[MDS]

the one constant throughout the eagles shortcomings and failures--on the field--has been mcnabb has been right there for just about all of them. but i guess every time its someone elses fault.

McNabb hasn't been the only constant. And even if he was, it's not his fault the other players sucked so bad they couldn't stick around as long.

Also, I think a QB/teams record against playoff teams is a bogus stat. A more informative one would be McNabb/Eagles record vs. teams with a winning season, defined as at least 9-7

right so its jon runyans fault

and if you factor in the 9-7 or 10-6 non playoff team the eagles played its a wash. their record against playoff teams and in the playoffs speaks for itself. stop being a homer and face reality. this thing was a failure. it didnt work. time to cut ties and move on.

[Tomahawk]

Runyan let Strahan run by him a lot. Maybe you're onto something

[NC_Eagle]

It doesn't really matter who the QB is, as long as Reid is 'coaching' the team they will be a failure.

[Sgt PSN]

but when you have a proven NFL QB in McNabb you keep him.

san fran traded joe montana to pave the way for steve young.  and montana had won 4 super bowls. 

miami declined dan marino's contract option for damon huard.  marino held most major passing records at the time. 

warren moon was traded to minnesota after leading the oilers to a 12-4 record in 1993 and replaced by a trio of qbs....billy joe tolliver, cody carlson and buckey richardson who managed to lead them to 2 whole wins the following year.   

all 3 were better than mcnabb and all 3 were seen as expendable with unproven qb's standing behind them.  why should mcnabb be any different?

Is Kevin Kolb going to learn to not throw that back breaking INT? Maybe. Maybe not.

Is he ever going to learn to get the ball out faster? Probably.

But they have a proven commodity already. Sell high on Kolb, extend McNabb and build the defense and the OL.

here's the difference between kolb and mcnabb.  kolb can get better.  mcnabb can't.  mcnabb, just like andy reid, has had 10 years to fix his deficiencies.  he hasn't.  both of them peaked in 2004 and have gradually been moving backwards since. 

[Munson]

What the hell makes anyone think Kevin Kolb will be successful/survive dropping back 45 times a game? Could you imagine him in that game on saturday? He woulda been carted off by half time.



The only, ONLY way this team ever wins is when the offense balances out.

[ice grillin you]

What the hell makes anyone think Kevin Kolb will be successful/survive dropping back 45 times a game? Could you imagine him in that game on saturday? He woulda been carted off by half time.



The only, ONLY way this team ever wins is when the offense balances out.

in the first half saturday they threw 11 times and ran 7...they were down 27-7 at half

the quarterback not named vick could literally not complete passes

period end of story

stop making excuses


i ask again who has ever had one completion in the first half of ANY modern nfl game

[shorebird]

Stop acting like McNabb was just plain missing his receivers. He was running for his life pretty much the whole game, watch the replay.

[ice grillin you]

one pass completion in the first half


just because a guy has pressure on him doesnt mean its always the offensive line

maybe if he was capable of accurately getting rid of the ball on a three step drop

or if he EVER accurately got rid of the ball in a timely fashion he wouldnt be happy feeting it all over the field

the eagles didnt blitz at all in the regular season finale and in the press last week mcdermott said he made a mistake with that and romo said he expects an onslaught...so you know what dallas did...they went with majority three step drops and romo put the ball where it needed to be...this is something that just isnt in mcnabbs game

thus the eagles have to hope the line gives him perfect protection and a wr is running open deep or they have trouble moving the ball against any defense that have even a decent pass rush

oh and did i mention your qb had one completion in an entire half of a football game

[shorebird]

Whatever man, a three step drop isn't in the game plan, thats on the coach, not that it would have mattered with the way Dallas was blanketing the wr's.

[ice grillin you]

lol so now not only was the line terrible

the coaches suck

AND the wr's couldnt get open


it never ends

poor donnie surrounded by all this ineptness...how does he even get up in the morning

[shorebird]

No, they couldn't, at least not consistantly.

When are you gonna' get it through that thick head of yours? I've already said McNabb should go. But I'm not throwing him under the bus as the sole reason the Eagles lost. He didn't help, but to put it like you do is just narrowminded hate for McNabb. It's getting old.

[shorebird]

poor donnie surrounded by all this ineptness...how does he even get up in the morning

The Eagles were exposed as the playoff pretenders that they were, THE WHOLE TEAM, not just McNabb. A defense that couldn't stop a high school team, a line that missed blocks all day, receivers that couldn't get open in man coverage, and a qb without the intestinal fortitude to shake them up and lead them to anything but an embarassment of a game.

[Sgt PSN]

no one has said he's the sole reason the eagles lost.  however, what many of us are saying is that he is the common denominator (in terms of players on the field) in every post season failure over the last 10 years (sans 07 when he was injured).  and he's the quarterback.  the leader.  the guy who touches the ball more than any other player on field.  on the field, it starts and ends with him. 

on the sidelines and in the front office is another story, but on the field, it's all on him.  period. 

[shorebird]

I know that, but some want too act like he had time to thorw and had receivers open all day long that he didn't see or couldn't hit. Least thats the impression I'm getting. Igy says just because someone gets pressure it's not always the o-line?? Only when McNabb gets pressure it's not the line or wr's not getting open, it's him holding the ball too long, right. McNabb had guys on him before he was done dropping back half the time, look at the tape. Guys weren't getting open. He's had his bad games like the game before the last one. Now, that one you can pin on him, not this last one.

[ice grillin you]

hes had years with excellent defenses
hes had years with weapons
hes had years with great offensive lines

like sarge said the one common thread here is 5

I know that, but some want too act like he had time to thorw and had receivers open all day long that he didn't see or couldn't hit. Least thats the impression I'm getting. Igy says just because someone gets pressure it's not always the o-line?? Only when McNabb gets pressure it's not the line or wr's not getting open, it's him holding the ball too long, right. McNabb had guys on him before he was done dropping back half the time, look at the tape. Guys weren't getting open. He's had his bad games like the game before the last one. Now, that one you can pin on him, not this last one.

ive watched the game two times and fast forwarded thru it once...youre grossly exaggerating the pass rush...was there pressure definitely...could the line have been better hell yeah...

but a qb has to perform under pressure sometimes...was there so much pressure that he couldnt have been successful absolutely 100% not...is there a single reason other than his ineptitude that he completed one god damn pass in a whole half...no way

first play of the game was pretty much the last two weeks in a nutshell...mcnabb drops back...has tons of time...has macklin open on a crossing route and what does he do...almost delays the game by using the ball to put a hole in the turf

and jesus christ mcnabb has held the ball to long for 11 years...how can you be an eagle fan and not have seen that...its at the heart of why he cant run a west coast offense...its why his int rate is so low...because he cant/is unwilling to throw balls into coverage