Can We All Finally Agree Donovan Needs To Burn In Hell (even you phreak)

[reese125]

thats shocking coming from wilbon who is mcnabbs boy as they are both from chicago

was he saying he had to go because he stinks or because the awful philly fans dont deserve him...because thats his usual schtick

he never said he stinks...of course he would never say that, but he did say that "its been a nice decade- but his time has come and gone in philly", "its time to move on", doesnt think he'll be the starter next year and some other fluff. still very weird coming from him.

[MDS]

i dont think ive ever tried to this hard in a post, but here goes:

since 2000, donovan mcnabb is 12-27 against playoff teams (21-34 if you count the playoff games).

other records: feeley is 0-3, detmer is 1-0, mcmahon is 0-4, kolb is 0-1 and garcia is 2-1 and 1-1 in the playoffs.

combine that all together and the eagles, since 2000, are 15-36 against playoff teams.

without looking at other consistantly good teams record against playoff teams, we might have one of the most fraudulent "dynastys" on our hands. sickening.

[General_Failure]

It seems obvious to me that the career most wasted was Koy's.

[Don Ho]

i dont think ive ever tried to this hard in a post, but here goes:

since 2000, donovan mcnabb is 12-27 against playoff teams (21-34 if you count the playoff games).

other records: feeley is 0-3, detmer is 1-0, mcmahon is 0-4, kolb is 0-1 and garcia is 2-1 and 1-1 in the playoffs.

combine that all together and the eagles, since 2000, are 15-36 against playoff teams.

without looking at other consistantly good teams record against playoff teams, we might have one of the most fraudulent "dynastys" on our hands. sickening.

Just outright disturbing.  Holy farg.

[Drunkmasterflex]

I wish I could say I was shocked

[PhillyPhreak54]

So, K/MDS, do you lay that at the feet of McNabb?

Call me a McNabb homer all you want, but I can criticize him. And he played like shtein this past game. But it has to be recognized that it was not all his fault. I am glad they announced he will be back and I hope they sign him to an extension. I do not believe Kolb is the answer.

I believe the answer is allowing him another year (and more) to develop those weapons. Let Maclin and McCoy grow. Get more time with Pimp and Celek.

Fix the farging OL and get a defense that can get the hell off the field.

[MDS]

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[MDS]

how much more proof do you need before you get it?

i dont even know what to do with you anymore. its never going to happen here. ever. theyve tried and tried and never ever been good enough. they never beat playoff teams. what on earth makes you think 3 more years of donovan and andy, after 11 seasons, is going to work? youre just not willing to face reality.

also i dont get the kolb hate. hes played 2.5 games in the nfl, he's a big giant question mark. could he be the next tom brady? maybe. the next bobby hoying? maybe. trent dilfer? maybe. i dont know. nobody knows. only way to find out is to let him play.

[PhillyGirl]

I just almost puked at the "could he be Tom Brady" comment.

Shut it MDS. Enough is enough.

[PhillyPhreak54]

how much more proof do you need before you get it?

i dont even know what to do with you anymore. its never going to happen here. ever. theyve tried and tried and never ever been good enough. they never beat playoff teams. what on earth makes you think 3 more years of donovan and andy, after 11 seasons, is going to work? youre just not willing to face reality.

also i dont get the kolb hate. hes played 2.5 games in the nfl, he's a big giant question mark. could he be the next tom brady? maybe. the next bobby hoying? maybe. trent dilfer? maybe. i dont know. nobody knows. only way to find out is to let him play.

I don't hate Kolb. I just prefer McNabb. I like McNabb a lot as a QB and I believe he can win. He has his faults. It doesn't matter who the QB is here (or in most NFL cities, the ones who give a shtein at least), faults will be found and beaten to death.

Kolb has blemishes. Obviously those could be worked out, but when you have a proven NFL QB in McNabb you keep him. Is Kevin Kolb going to learn to not throw that back breaking INT? Maybe. Maybe not.

Is he ever going to learn to get the ball out faster? Probably.

But they have a proven commodity already. Sell high on Kolb, extend McNabb and build the defense and the OL.

[MDS]

I just almost puked at the "could he be Tom Brady" comment.

Shut it MDS. Enough is enough.

i honestly dont know. brady came out of nowhere, which is why i made the comparison and not to someone like manning, elway, marino who were studs by the time they were 14.

you guys all think kolb sucks for whatever reason. i have an expectedly rough half against baltimore, an average performance against a great saints team and a solid performance against a porous chiefs team to base my opinion of him. the verdict: i dont know. how does anyone know. hes got to get a shot, then we can see. pretty simple. 

@ phreak
if you dont get it now, you never will. does the 12-27 record not mean anything to you? take this year. he went 0-5 against playoff teams. 11-1 against non playoff teams. the best team he beat was the giants. he beat the falcons without matt ryan or michael turner. he beat kyle orton. he beat jason campbell. but he loses to phillip rivers, tony romo and jamarcus russell. does the loads of playoff shortcomings and epic chokes and saturdays epic failure not mean anything? how many times must he scream "i'm not good enough" before you get it? hes not capable of winning. hes regressed as a quarterback. he gets scared and jittery in big games. his record and performance continue to prove that.

he is not going to win a superbowl here. its over. give it up. they had 11 years and they failed. he should be out the door with his coach but fatass got 3 more years. no need to make the same mistake twice.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Again, I ask you..are you laying the blame of this failure at his feet?

[MDS]

which failure?

the failure of the past 11 years? somewhat. 2000-2003 were probably unwinnable years considering how awful the receivers were. but that doesnt take away from the fact that mcnabb choked against tampa and carolina and failed on a do or die drive against st louis

the superbowl i blame him. the was the most complete team of the reid era and mcnabb cost them the game with 2 killer interceptions. one in the endzone, one to stall a drive in the 3rd. still not over that.

2005 was a lost year, partially due to the injury, partially due to the bitch fight between mcnabb and to.

2006 the team played better with garcia than mcnabb. no denying that.

2007 they played 9 playoff teams--by far the most of any season--and went mcnabb went 1-6 in those games. feeley went 0-2. coincidence? they go 8-8, dont make the playoffs, tough schedule....hmmmm....

2008 came down to one drive to tie against a lame duck arizona defense. donovan promptly went 4 and out. whine about the defense. go ahead. he had a drive to tie and failed.

2009 he had 3 awful games against the cowboys. end of story. he couldnt beat the best team in the division. he came up small in back to back games to end the season. he did play air guitar and hump plexiglass, though.

the one constant throughout the eagles shortcomings and failures--on the field--has been mcnabb has been right there for just about all of them. but i guess every time its someone elses fault.

[Tomahawk]

the one constant throughout the eagles shortcomings and failures--on the field--has been mcnabb has been right there for just about all of them. but i guess every time its someone elses fault.

McNabb hasn't been the only constant. And even if he was, it's not his fault the other players sucked so bad they couldn't stick around as long.

Also, I think a QB/teams record against playoff teams is a bogus stat. A more informative one would be McNabb/Eagles record vs. teams with a winning season, defined as at least 9-7

[hbionic]

This abomination of a season only proves how much McNabb really needs T.O. and how much T.O. really needs Donovan.

Get T.O.? 

T.O., Jackson, Maclin, Avant...only in Madden I guess. 

farg this team. Who gives a shtein anyways.