So does anyone here have a time machine we can use to go back to 30 minutes ago and murder the entire FO???
I'm getting a jersey ASAP!
(http://blog.kir.com/archives/kevin%20Kolb.jpg)
KOLB BITCHES!!!!
Im ur 2nd round pick, and I'm ruining ur draft
Does he own villagevoicemedia.com?
Mike McMahon what?
farging shteinbag losers
What a BS pick, F you Andy Reid
Kolby! for three
KOLB= Super AIDS
Delete this thread.
Delete the F.O.
Super delete them all.
who wants to sponsor him???
Let's see Eagles fans booed McNabb on draft day because they wanted Ricky Williams and then booed Jeff Garcia last fall because they want A.J. Feeley....
Now they are booing the selection of Kevin Kolb? shtein.... this guy is going to be a good one....
farg you whoever you are.
I'm fairly confident that that abortion case Britt Reid made this pick.
STABBY STABBY
Before we crucify the FO here, let's give the kid a chance. See how he does with Stallworth and LJ for a year or two.
ha
Kolb has to be part mormon.
Leonard Ram.
oops wrong thread
EMB post from 22 April;
QuoteHugh Douglas says that the Eagles will draft a QB as early as round 2 to groom for Donnie Mac's replacement.
Says the Eagles have visited and spoken to Troy Smith and Kevin Kolb as potential selections.
He said it on WIP today so I can't provide a link. I've heard of Troy Smith but never heard of Kevin Kolb.
QB that early. I doubt it but I would have to give an ex player not far removed from the system the benifit of doubt
If you need insider info, tap Hugh for knowledge.
I'm going to go on the record right now and say I like this pick.
I have no reason to like it, but I want to be the one that gets to say "I told you so" if he actually ends up winning the Eagles a Super Bowl or some shtein.
Kevin Kolb Highlight Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLuxHKiTj9o)
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2007, 09:07:18 PM
I'm going to go on the record right now and say I like this pick.
I have no reason to like it, but I want to be the one that gets to say "I told you so" if he actually ends up winning the Eagles a Super Bowl or some shtein.
In.
Im sure if they win the Superbowl it will be with Kolb throwing 6 yard in routes to Greg Lewis. SURE OF IT.
Psh! Those are going to be passes to Tapeh out in the flat for 4 yards. Put down the crack pipe.
I'm claiming official sponsorship of Kevin Kolb.
Why?
Because I said so, damn it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2007, 09:07:18 PM
I'm going to go on the record right now and say I like this pick.
I have no reason to like it, but I want to be the one that gets to say "I told you so" if he actually ends up winning the Eagles a Super Bowl or some shtein.
I like him a lot, just not at the 36th slot, there are too many questions about him to pick him there. I thought Sean Salsbury brought up a good point, you don't draft a QB that early unless you have big plans for him.
QuoteStrengths:
Arm strength is more than adequate and he has a very quick release...Strong and has a solid build...Protects the ball and has a good career TD / INT ratio...Durable and has a lot of experience...Solid athlete who can run a little and hurt defenses with his feet...Has everything you look for from an intangibles standpoint in terms of leadership, brains and work ethic...Extremely productive throughout his career.
Weaknesses:
Does not have the ideal height that you look for...Passing numbers were inflated by playing in a passing system...Accuracy is dodgy, especially on deep balls...Gets too many passes batted down at the line...Worked mostly out of the shotgun...Is going to have to learn how to run a pro style offense and read defenses...Didn't always play against top competition...Mechanics and throwing motion need work.
Notes:
Last name is pronounced "Cobb"...Burst onto the scene as a true freshman and ultimately became one of the most prolific passers in NCAA history...There is a lot to like about this guy but he is a tough prospect to project and he'll have to fight the "System Quarterback" label...Could surprise and end up starting for someone.
there's many reasons to hate this pick, most of which is that my mother-in-law's last name is Kolb (pronounced like the word cold, but with a 'b' at the end) the fact that i despise her and have to see this name everywhere isn't bad enough, but when she stopped by and saw who "we" got, she giggled for about 15 minutes about it.
farging AIDS
Oh Christ this is weird.
Childress looks like a HS Science teacher with that sweater
it just seems like the Eagles are sending mixed signals...
trade for Spikes = going for it all in the next two years
trading down and drafting Kolb = staying with the long-term plan
what is it?
The plan is to toy with your emotions long and hard enough to confuse you into buying a Yellowjackets jersey.
that explains why i've already ordered three
I'm getting a couple of bootlegs from some guy in Singapore.
do you mean jersey's?
or actual boot legs? because they sell everything in Singapore...except snap bracelets, oddly enough.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2007, 10:23:05 PM
I'm getting a couple of bootlegs from some guy in Singapore.
At least it shouldn't take as long to get to you.
He seems like he can move well in the pocket and has a strong arm, but I have a difficult time believing that a team would draft a QB now so that the QB could possibly start in 5 years time when that QB is 28 years old. Really doesn't make any sense. I could see drafting a QB that high in 2 year's time, when McNabb only has about 2 more years in him. But now -- retarded. That's all you can really say.
Maybe this is implicitly saying to McNabb "you better not get injured again or you're going to have to earn your job again". I don't know what good that does but I think everyone is trying to rationalize the pick, and stating that "we're just trying to pick the best players at each position" bullshtein doesn't make any sense. If the Eagles had 4 pro bowl WRs and the "best player available" was a beast WR, chances are a rational person would not draft that WR.
Oh well. I heard that Kolb can play SS, LB, DE, and has to size and speed to pick up tough yards on 3rd and 1. They're set.
So who else is rushing out to buy your Kevin Kolb Frankford Yellow Jacket throwback jersey?
Stoooober likes the Kevin Kolb pick!!!!! Yes, I knew it was a great pick?
I like the pick. I was a bit surprised, but given the situation, and knowing that Reid likes to draft for longer term needs, it seems like a good choice.
Not only did we reach with this pick, we reached for a position we had no need for. If the goal is to win the Superbowl, what sense does this pick make? None.
farging retards, I hope Andy burns in Mormon hell whatever that is.
Going to a Methodist church?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 28, 2007, 11:37:22 PM
farging retards, I hope Andy burns in Mormon hell whatever that is.
either Vegas or South Beach, i'm thinking
I'm not too bummed out over it. Half the time the Eagles' first pick turns out to be totally worthless anyway. Usually we can't judge these things accurately for a few years, we'll see how the pick plays out. Every player in the draft is a crapshoot, picking a QB here is just be more of a crapshoot than usual.
Andy has said many times that he doesn't draft for immediate need. Remember the 3-DB draft a few years ago? I think this pick shows the realization that McNabb's best days are behind him, and that Reid is looking to the future.
At the end of the day, I don't mind this pick at all. We all know how important a good #2 Qb is. And frankly, I think Feeley stinks, and Holcombe will be cut before camp is over. So in the chance that McNabb misses half a season again, Kolb may prove to be useful.
there is no way Kolb plays over Feely if Donovan gets hurt
this pick has no bearing on what happens next year
Quote from: SunMo on April 29, 2007, 12:04:04 AM
there is no way Kolb plays over Feely if Donovan gets hurt
this pick has no bearing on what happens next year
Agreed. Kolb has some learning (and unlearning) to do...but he has talent.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 28, 2007, 11:56:21 PM
At the end of the day, I don't mind this pick at all. We all know how important a good #2 Qb is. And frankly, I think Feeley stinks, and Holcombe will be cut before camp is over. So in the chance that McNabb misses half a season again, Kolb may prove to be useful.
see i would agree with this except what was the point of re-signing feeley then? if they knew they were not going to keep holcombe and they think feeley stinks why keep him? why not use that signing for another position? i know you need 2 QBs to survive a full season but you also need LBs and Safeties.
Reason for hope:
Kolb rhymes with Schaub. Maybe this clown can be flipped for picks like Schaub (and Feeley back in the day). I remember when I thought the Eagles would do this all the time. But to take him at 36? STill stupid.
And Andy says this is the first time since hes been here that he could go with the best player there without having any needs.
Whateva.
a redneck with a name that isn't spelled how it sounds that wears #4 and can handle the WCO. OMGWEDRAFTEDFAVRE
The Eagles used the #36 pick, their top pick... for something that may pay off 4 years from now. Brilliant!!!
You all do realize, this is karma for stealing that 2nd rounder from miami for aj feeley?
I wasn't shocked that the Birds traded out of the first round--after all of their percieved target players were taken, they maybe belived they could get good value trading out like they did--and according to the chart--they did.
The Kolb picked shocked me--however, you have to remember some things--
1. McNabb has been injured and lost for the season the last two years; been severely injured three of the last 5; and even in 2003, he had problems with his thumb, which hampered his game for the first 5 or 6 games of that season. So really, between 2002 and 2006--he only had one healthy year and that was 2004. Think maybe Reid is a little concerned about that?
2. With the Eagles being perrenial playoff contenders and always selecting toward the bottom of the first round, wouldn't it make sense, when there are so many QBs that are close in talent to select one now--when you have the chance--that could possibly be McNabb's replacement? And who says the guy is going to sit the bench for 4 years?
3. I know a lot of us aren't too enamored with Mark Eckel, but in his latest article, he said, "there are already whispers that McNabb, if healthy, comes back and plays this season, and then is traded next year. A possible suitor could be Brad Childress and the Minnesota Vikings."
Maybe perhaps Reid thinks, despite what he says publicly that McNabb has taken them as far as he can, and he wants to go in another direction. They had Kolb rated above Quinn on their board. We know that Reid says things publicly, but then his actions speak differently.
There's already controversy--while Kolb said all the right things yesterday, that he knows McNabb is the franchise's QB, and that he looks forward to meeting him and learning from him, McNabb, according to ESPN, wrote an e-mail to Michael Smith, saying he was "befuddled by the pick". Could this also be Reid getting tired of McNabb's whining (and maybe his family's) every time something doesn't go his way? I'm one of McNabb's biggest fans, but even I winced last season when his mom made her entry on her blog.
Numerous publications had him rated as the second QB in the draft. Two had him possibly going in the first.
I agree with you bobby, DMac's injuries are a big concern.
Quote36. Philadelphia (from Dallas through Cleveland) — Kevin Kolb, QB Houston: A four-year starter for Houston, he became tremendously effective and good at ball security cutting down on his interceptions. The type of quarterback who potentially becomes a top starter after a few years as a number two, he could be a star in the right system and should be fantastic with time to work and learn at a pro level. He'll be a long-time NFL starter.
kevin "tex" kolb video highlights: http://video.msn.com/v/us/foxsports.htm?f=33&g=73d8768e-5bd0-43fc-bb78-ea61a2b292ef&p=&t=m1490&rf=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6751032&fg=/nfl/stories/writers/Pete+Fiutak
Where are you getting these blurbs, hunt?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2007, 07:26:41 AM
Where are you getting these blurbs, hunt?
from the intraweb.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/draftTracker?round=1&year=2007
Ah, thanks.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 29, 2007, 12:30:23 AM
a redneck with a name that isn't spelled how it sounds that wears #4 and can handle the WCO. OMGWEDRAFTEDFAVRE
We should be so lucky! I just love the way he plays the game. He's an ol'-fashioned gunslinger!
QuoteThe media caught attention to Kolb in 2006 as he put together one of the finest seasons in Houston history. The Conference USA Offensive Player of the Year, Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award finalist and Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award semifinalist ranked fifth in the nation in passing efficiency (162.72 rating), eighth in total offense (283.07 ypg), 10th in points responsible for (14.57 ppg) and sixth in passing yardage (3,809).
Kolb connected on 292 of 432 passes (67.6 percent) with 30 touchdowns and four interceptions. He rushed 111 times for 154 yards (1.4 avg.) and four scores, gaining 3,963 yards in total offense. He was sacked 33 times, but turned the ball over just once on a fumble. He also recorded two tackles
link (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/kolb_kevin)
This pick is a slap in the face for Dmac. I can agree with Susq to a point. They do need to look towards the future with all Dmac's injuries, but with the first pick of the draft?? I'm not the coach of this team, but I was perfectly comfortable with Feeley backing Dmac up for the next two years. Marty must have a serious hard on for this guy.
With the other needs on this team, this pick makes no sense at all to me, but what the farg do I know?
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on April 29, 2007, 04:38:36 AM
3. I know a lot of us aren't too enamored with Mark Eckel, but in his latest article, he said, "there are already whispers that McNabb, if healthy, comes back and plays this season, and then is traded next year. A possible suitor could be Brad Childress and the Minnesota Vikings."
Bingo. I was thinking that McNabb was trade bait this year...but he needs a year to prove that his injury prone ways are behind him. If he can't do that, then it'll be past time to choose a suitable successor. And Feeley makes a good fill-in, but he's not the starter of the future. Kolb is a smart move right now.
they could have had trent edwards in the third round
what an indictment on mcnabb...its going to be very interesting to see how softy handles all this
Shooting spree
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2007, 09:58:03 AM
they could have had trent edwards in the third round
It's clear that they valued Kolb more than nearly any other available QB. I have no problems with that.
you really think theres a two round difference in kolb and edwards
How did every other team in the first manage to get 2008 1st round picks for trades, except the great Eagles F.O.?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 29, 2007, 10:15:27 AM
How did every other team in the first manage to get 2008 1st round picks for trades, except the great Eagles F.O.?
I put this in the other thread but here's your answer:
QuoteIn a deal consummated by a phone call between the two owners - Jeffrey Lurie and the Cowboys' Jerry Jones - the Eagles picked up an extra selection in the third round - 87th overall - from Dallas, giving them four first-day selections.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2007, 10:08:17 AM
you really think theres a two round difference in kolb and edwards
I honestly don't know. But it's not about what I think anyway.
Gotta love when Jerrah and Lurriestash work a deal out
Still hate it.
I hope McNabb is traded next year. Bye, Donovan. Nice having a good QB for 9 years. Now it'll take another 10 or so to find a decent one.
Still hate it.
I hope McNabb is traded next year. Bye, Donovan. Nice having a good QB for 9 years. Now it'll take another 10 or so to find a decent one.
I am still confused but that's nothing new. If you really wanted a QB, why not move up for Quinn? Kolb is higher than Quinn on very few ratings but I will hope for the best.
I still don't like it either. Even if Kolb should one day win a SB for the Eagles I still wouldn't like it. Not because of the pick, but because of the way the botched the second round and their bizarre trading strategy that could have netted them both Kolb and a good S/CB at the same time. They sign too many UDFAs and waste too many late round picks to not have used some of those to move up and get Kolb and some secondary help at the same time. They just did it all in such a strange fashion
wasted pick. thats all i am going to say
The pick makes no sense. The player I like. Terrible drafting technique when the team had other GLARING needs.
no, that's where you're wrong, they have no needs. they should win the next 3 Super Bowls
TERRIBLE TECHNIQUE!
TT!
The more I read about Kevin Kolb, the more I think I'd like this pick in 5 years.
Once his rookie contract has expired and he's on another team.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 29, 2007, 12:24:23 PM
The more I read about Kevin Kolb, the more I think I'd like this pick in 5 years.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. The problem is that they probably could have gotten him later in the second (by trading up if they had to) without giving up their first rounder. Making this draft farging awful. TERRIBLE TECHNIQUE.
The pick was stupid, no doubt. What was worse was watching that fat smug corksucking piece of shtein belittle everyone out there who thought the pick was stupid.
They took a guy they had no business taking and infuriated millions of fans and his response was "well, the last time we took a quarterback everyone booed, that worked out pretty well."
I am over the top sick of that fat farger, Heckert and the rest of those arrogant iceholes who think they invented the sport. They haven't won shtein and now they're the laughingstock of the league. But yeah, they know best.
I hope they all die bloody.
TT!
Greg Olsen is sitting there and they pass on him. They pass on him despite the fact that they KNOW that their current tight end will walk at year's end.
They know their safety situation is tenuous at best. The could use help at CB as well.
They have three quarterbacks signed and what do they do? They take a developmental prospect who could have been taken later.
Arrogant foolishness at its absolute worst.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 29, 2007, 12:27:50 PM
The pick was stupid, no doubt. What was worse was watching that fat smug corksucking piece of shtein belittle everyone out there who thought the pick was stupid.
They took a guy they had no business taking and infuriated millions of fans and his response was "well, the last time we took a quarterback everyone booed, that worked out pretty well."
I am over the top sick of that fat farger, Heckert and the rest of those arrogant iceholes who think they invented the sport. They haven't won shtein and now they're the laughingstock of the league. But yeah, they know best.
I hope they all die bloody.
Good to see you've simmered down today! :)
The medication wore off.
Obviously.
:-D
He's an impressive kid. Very well-spoken and humble.
I hate him even more now.
:-D
He says Baltimore, Jacksonville and New England were interested in him in the 2nd.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 29, 2007, 01:04:17 PM
He's an impressive kid. Very well-spoken and humble.
I hate him even more now.
:-D
And a goddamn Cowboys fan
Feva, we don't see your av
6 Eagles articles locally today, and all 6 are "McNabb is gone"
better?
who hoo!
i am equally confused. if they wanted a QB for the future why not draft one of the higher rated QBs? and why now? McNabb is trade bait why? Yes he has been hurt the last 2 seasons but he is the best QB we have had for a long frikin time and we are willing to trade him why?
i was pissed by the pick already and now thinking about how this might a move to get rid of McNabb pisses me off even more. this FO keeps building towards some future that seems to never come.
wrong thread...shtein
This team is ruining my vacation.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 29, 2007, 02:19:38 PM
This team is ruining my vacation.
Perhaps you need to reevaluate your life.
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^wifey
The Eagles should have passed on Kevin and drafted his wife.
He really looks like Andy Hall in this pic(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/EGKONHFIBKAG/draftpicks8_070429.jpg)
good lord
Shouldn't they both me #2?
I thought he was Italian.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 29, 2007, 04:34:35 PMHe really looks like Andy Hall in this pic
or Geoff Geary
(http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/images/headshot_35934.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 29, 2007, 03:25:20 PM
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^wifey
they both look pretty shocked and out of place....
:'(
He kinda looks like Jim Brewer in that pic
And yeah, I'd hit his wife
De Ja Vu:Kolb getting boo'd at the draft (http://www.the700level.com/2007/04/kevin_kolb_sele.html)
McNabb has worked out nicely and all... but Kolb's the one that's going to win a Super Bowl.
There, I said it.
Kolb isn't going to win shtein.
The quarterbacks are fine.
With Kolb at least there will be reason to watch the 3rd and 4th quarter of preseason games. So we have Andy to thank for that.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 30, 2007, 08:23:37 AM
With Kolb at least there will be reason to watch the 3rd and 4th quarter of preseason games. So we have Andy to thank for that.
Sure, and I've yet to see anything about him that leads me to believe he doesn't project well to play in the NFL and in the Eagles' system of offense. Let's just say I like this pick a ton more than I would if it were Drew Stanton, and the guy HAS to be good if they'd go QB this early and if they'd pass up the BYU guy.
Considering how many draft picks the Eagles have wasted altogether, I'm hating this one less and less. There are never any guarantees of anything, and QB is the most important position on the field.
You're just saying that because you want to bone his wife.
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1113096159&fr=yfp-t-501
QuoteQuarterback Kevin Kolb was a four-year starter at the University of Houston where he shattered numerous school and Conference USA records. Kolb has the size, arm strength and ability to succeed at the next level and is regarded as one of the top players at his position going into the 2007 NFL Draft. Check in weekly to NFLPLAYERS.COM as Kolb provides insight on the events leading up to draft day in his series of draft diaries.
Yesterday afternoon I took off to south Texas to do a little bait fishing for a few days. The last time I got a chance to go fishing was probably about two months ago so I've been looking forward to this trip for a while. Usually we catch redfish, trout, flounder, and just about anything that swims. I'm going with some old teammates so it should be a great time.
I actually left to go on the fishing trip right after having a great workout with the Houston Texans for most of yesterday morning. It was an awesome workout and we did it up at the Texans' bubble facility. They invited some of my guys from UH to go up there with me so it was fun to throw with my old teammates again. It was a high-intensity workout and at the end of it I think they were very impressed and complemented us for what we did out there. Hopefully our paths will cross again along the way because I really respect the Texans coaching staff.
For the last few weeks, I've been busy taking a lot of visits and doing some workouts with several NFL teams. I've had New England, Philadelphia and Houston work me out and all of those went really well. As for visits, I went to Baltimore, Philadelphia, Jacksonville and New Orleans. I honestly think they all went great, but nowadays they don't want to tip their hand either way so it's hard to say which team stood out from the rest. I know they were all interested and I walked out of each facility feeling really positive each time.
During most of the visits they just want to see you get up on the board for a little bit, break down some film of the things they do on offense and also break down what I was doing in our offense at Houston. Other than that, they do a lot of interviewing to get to know you.
The concern that most coaches seem to have with me is that we ran kind of a unique offense at Houston. But I do my best to let them know that football is football and I can play the game at any capacity. I feel that the teams that are really on my side now understand that I was asked to do a lot of different things at Houston and that it shouldn't be a tough transition for me to go any more conventional than what I was doing before. So I'm getting a much better feel from everyone now than what I was getting at the Senior Bowl and at the combine.
With these visits, one of the best things about it is that I get to prove my point when they pull out our old game film. I get to show them my mental capacity by taking them through my reads and discuss the different audibles and checks that I made. They were pretty impressed and I knew they would be once we got to that point, but it was just hard to do that in the first few meetings at the Senior Bowl and combine. So it was nice to finally have a real opportunity to prove myself and help them understand everything that I've been through.
With the draft about a week away, I'm actually a little more relaxed now than I was a few months ago because I've done everything that I can do. I've gone through a lot of different events and tests, and I feel that I did well in all of them. It's out of my hands now, but I'm real fired up to see where my wife and I are going to live in a few months. So after this fishing trip, I'm going to come back to Houston, continue working out, maybe play a little golf and then next weekend I'll head down to our family cabin on our ranch and watch the draft unfold.
You're just saying that because you want to bone his wife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-V-yTwN5ok&mode=related&search=
at like the 1:40 mark wifey is pimping staying in texas and hopes they get picked by houston or dallas....wow is she in for the culture shock of her life...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTej926Pvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLuxHKiTj9o&mode=related&search=
also this
Hahaha! He destroys T.O. in this video. Right at the end... very cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFf_xnbN5SQ&NR=1
Mad skiddadles for a white boy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGT_MvmzkBQ
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 10:04:21 AM
Hahaha! He destroys T.O. in this video. Right at the end... very cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFf_xnbN5SQ&NR=1
At least now we know why the Eagles fell in love.
I'm still not thrilled with where or why they got him, but the more I see and hear of the kid, I have to say I like him more. I'm sure he's quite happy about that.
I'm still not thrilled with where or why they got him, but the more I see and hear of the kid, I have to say I like him more.
thats a natural reaction...people hate on a suprise out of nowhere first pick then as time passes they attempt to validate it to themselves as no one wants to hate their own player especially when that player is your qb of the future...
come training camp i expect most fans to do a complete 180 and start calling kolb a future super bowl winner
I didn't wait until training camp. I'm saying it right now. He'll win a Super Bowl. Maybe not for the Eagles, but he will.
Did anyone watch the Houston vs Miami game last october? He really played amazing that game, but ive said all along, they picked him at least 15 picks too early. If it was the second first rounder i'd be much happier.
what is wrong with these hicks?? 23 yrs old and married, what a moron! Guess its either that or running moonshine across Texas
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2007, 10:21:05 AM
I'm still not thrilled with where or why they got him, but the more I see and hear of the kid, I have to say I like him more.
thats a natural reaction...people hate on a suprise out of nowhere first pick then as time passes they attempt to validate it to themselves as no one wants to hate their own player especially when that player is your qb of the future...
come training camp i expect most fans to do a complete 180 and start calling kolb a future super bowl winner
Stockholm Syndrome...
did anybody see Howard on SportsFinal last night?
apparantly he said that the Eagles were going to take Merriweather at 26 and move up in the 2nd round to get Kolb.
he also said they would've taken Kolb at 26 if the Dallas trade didn't happen.
he also said they tried to move up to take Leinart when he started falling last year.
this was all reported on another board, so take it for what it's worth.
Kolb will eat Leinart's lovechild.
It's all part of Andy Reid's ultimate goal of fielding an all-white offense.
He should have drafted Brian Leonard then, dammit!
He would have, but he's planning on converting Napolean into a FB.
does he have linebacker blocking skills?
There's a guy I work with who's A)from Texas, and B) a Texans fan. He's been talking up Kolb all morning, saying he's a legend in the state and that alot of Dallas/Houston fans are pissed the Eagles got him. Said he watched a few games with Kolb playing, one live, and said once camps start fans are going to be pretty impressed. Also said local media was saying he was going to get picked in the second by Miami, Baltimore, New England or the Birds....
Still not exactly happy with the pick, but if McNabb does like Culpepper, or gets injured again, and the kid does decent-to-great, I'll be thrilled to eat crow.
pretty sure mcnabb will be released after this season....his back end money is enormous
and he has no cap ramifications if he's cut after this year.
i think they try and trade him though
i'm in ur draft, giving it teh AIDS
i had a better one, in the draft thread, and it got nothing, so you lose
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2007, 11:17:05 AM
i think they try and trade him though
I find it a little depressing that this is what we've come to already.
i know, he's only 30
but i can't believe Andy will let his new toy sit on the bench for his entire first contract
Some people are saying that WIP/Eckel are reporting McNabb hasn't returned Andy's call. :poison
If that's true he's a farging bitch. What does he expect? The team to never draft a QB ever again. farg that. Act like a farging man you goddamned whiney bitchboy.
I can't blame McNabb for being confused about the pick, but this is gut check time.
Either he makes Andy and Tom look silly for drafting a QB so early, or he acts like a little bitch and proves them right.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2007, 11:36:50 AM
I can't blame McNabb for being confused about the pick, but this is gut check time.
Either he makes Andy and Tom look silly for drafting a QB so early, or he acts like a little bitch and proves them right.
although i hate the pick, its nice to see how McNabb will react with his backup against the wall. If he bitches out then it was the right move to find a replacement. If he steps up to the plate and plays like a champion its a shrewd move by Reid to jumpstart McNabbs lackadaiscal attitude about everything. Trade him to the AFC for sure!
when times get tough mcnabb gets going in his pants
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2007, 11:50:18 AM
when times get tough mcnabb gets going in his pants
or down Hank Fraley's ass-crack
Is pick #36 worth it to give the franchise player a reality check?
If it works... yes.
If it doesn't work but Kolb's a player... yes.
If it doesn't work and Kolb blows... KABOOM.
Heard a good comparison of Tommy Maddox being drafted by Denver, it sparked Elway. If not Mcnabb goes away in a trade, and we have a new white cunningham :-D
What does this mean for Kelly Holcumb? He has skillz!!!
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 30, 2007, 12:02:54 PM
Heard a good comparison of Tommy Maddox being drafted by Denver, it sparked Elway. If not Mcnabb goes away in a trade, and we have a new white cunningham :-D
You could tell this situation hit a little too close to home for Jaworski when he was analyzing the pick.
Jaworski forgot that he wasn't all that good, though. Must have been the cuncussions.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 09:52:45 AM
Quote
For the last few weeks, I've been busy taking a lot of visits and doing some workouts with several NFL teams. I've had New England, Philadelphia and Houston work me out and all of those went really well. As for visits, I went to Baltimore, Philadelphia, Jacksonville and New Orleans. I honestly think they all went great, but nowadays they don't want to tip their hand either way so it's hard to say which team stood out from the rest. I know they were all interested and I walked out of each facility feeling really positive each time.
FWIW, Jacksonville did have a pick between Philly's two 2nd rounders. None of the others who showed interest (above) did.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2007, 11:53:36 AM
Is pick #36 worth it to give the franchise player a reality check?
If it works... yes.
If it doesn't work but Kolb's a player... yes.
If it doesn't work and Kolb blows... KABOOM.
yep, lets hope that its McNabb who rises to the occasion because right now the D doesnt look much better than last year!
we should all start calling him kevin knob.....that would be hilarious.
kevin knob.
In NCAA football i lost the Heisman to Kolb. I'm still pissed at him for having such a great video game year and making Colt McCoy have to win runner up
it's knob, ass.
Crisis averted (from Spadaro):
QuoteDonovan is here today and he seems fine to me. Ate lunch, worked out, laughed a lot.
DGunn told Jody Mac and CSN DNL that McNabb is "seething" and hasn't spoken to Reid as of 3 hours ago...
if donovan is really upset i have lost all respect for him.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 30, 2007, 05:37:02 PM
DGunn told Jody Mac and CSN DNL that McNabb is "seething" and hasn't spoken to Reid as of 3 hours ago...
sounds like some media created drama lol
If I were DMAC id be seething they didnt use the pick on a WR. ha.
sounds like some media created drama
you dont have to create mcnabb being a bitch...as far as im concerned cut his ass...the team is nowhere near winning the superbowl hes costs a fortune and has only finished two of the last five seasons healthy...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2007, 05:53:31 PM
sounds like some media created drama
you dont have to create mcnabb being a bitch...as far as im concerned cut his ass...the team is nowhere near winning the superbowl hes costs a fortune and has only finished two of the last five seasons healthy...
Hi Angelo
i called this a long time ago and now the rest of you are finally seeing it...the guy is a spoiled weak mentally soft individual...
but thats not even why im saying cut him...its more to do with having your qb of the future now...the money aspect and donovans inability to stay healthy...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2007, 05:59:38 PM
i called this a long time ago and now the rest of you are finally seeing it...blah blah blah rabble rabble rabble
:-o
McNabb's playing here till at least 2010, I'm willing to put money on it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 30, 2007, 06:03:28 PM
McNabb's playing here till at least 2010, I'm willing to put money on it.
I fully agree.
Bowen made a semi-decent point on DNL, when the Eagles were 5-6 last year and McNabb had just gone down for the season, if we had known the Eagles were gonna draft a QB in the 2nd round we probably would'nt have had a problem with it at the time. Not trying to defend the move, but that sort of put things in perspective.
As a prospect the more I see and hear from this kid the more I like him. I still think it was a dumb pick because there are more pressing needs but....
i dont think anyone is saying kolb is gonna be a bad player...its exactly what youre sd they just didnt need to make that pick at that time...they could have gotten a just as good qb prospect in the draft next year
i also think with mcnabb getting hurt last year and garcia coming in and making the team better the eagle brass has now seen that everytime mcnabb goes down they win games...and they are thinking why do we need to pay this guy 10 mil a year when we can pay aj feely or kevin kolb two million a year to get the same or better results
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 30, 2007, 06:03:28 PM
McNabb's playing here till at least 2010, I'm willing to put money on it.
Shocking!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2007, 06:06:10 PM
I fully agree.
More shocking!
McNabb's gone by no later than after the 2009 season, unless Kolb sucks rjs-sized coinpuse.
If McNabb is healthy then he is here for 2010+. If not, then he is gone by 09 at the latest, and maybe even 08.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2007, 06:06:10 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 30, 2007, 06:03:28 PM
McNabb's playing here till at least 2010, I'm willing to put money on it.
I fully agree.
Sorry, but I can't believe that. He'll be 32 when his cap number is over $9MM. Based on previous history with this FO, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they traded him before that number was met. What would be the cap savings in 2009 if he was cut? I could see that even if Kolb doesn't impress anyone in the meantime.
They have shown a propensity to keep super-talent after 30, it's not like they stay away from everyone (re: Dawkins, Spikes). But (gulp) as IGY said, he hasn't finished 3 of the last 5 seasons, he's over 30 and has gigantic cap numbers every year from here on out. His leaving wouldn't surprise me. And I'm not convinced he's going to be able to accept this draft pick without being morose. Which won't help him at all.
MMH, someone here said earlier that there is no cap hit if McNabb is cut. I don't know if that's true or not, but I think that the signing bonus can't be strung out over more than five years, and I believe that's about up.
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that McNabb is entering his last year (or two) with the Eagles. End of '08 at the latest.
Totally agree, Geo. I knew there'd be no hit, just wasn't sure how big a savings there would be.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2007, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 30, 2007, 06:03:28 PM
McNabb's playing here till at least 2010, I'm willing to put money on it.
Shocking!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2007, 06:06:10 PM
I fully agree.
More shocking!
McNabb's gone by no later than after the 2009 season, unless Kolb sucks rjs-sized coinpuse.
I'll store this in my memory banks, like in the thread we signed D'hani I said he sucked ass and you gave me a hard time about it. I rule. You suck.
Dhani was better than any other option the team had in-house at the time.
Maybe he still is, but I hate him.
All this talk about Kolb replacing McNabb, McNabb being pissed off, McNabb maybe not being pissed off, what does any of it matter? There is still only one adequate weapon for any QB in that offense. Next year, there's going to be one less average weapon when LJ leaves. Who the farg is going to light up the world with passes to Reggie, Curtis, Shobel, and a swing pass to Westbrook every fourth play? Does anyone believe they're really going to run more?
didnt everyone know dhani sucked on the giants...i thought that was pretty much well known around the league how bad he was...in fact one of the baffling things about his signing was the fact that he played against reid for three years and he still couldnt see that he sucked...if you remember too the giant fans then were pretty much like we are now
When McNabb comes out and expresses his hurt and dismay publically, then I'll believe this. Otherwise, it's nonsense, pure and simple.
If it's true, though... if he's really acting this way because the Eagles selected someone to push him and possibly eventually replace him when he's done, then he should be ashamed of himself.
Considering what we've heard in the past from his camp, it wouldn't surprise me if it's true but until I hear it straight from McNabb himself, it's nothing but horseshtein innuendo to me.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 30, 2007, 07:26:54 PM
All this talk about Kolb replacing McNabb, McNabb being pissed off, McNabb maybe not being pissed off, what does any of it matter? There is still only one adequate weapon for any QB in that offense. Next year, there's going to be one less average weapon when LJ leaves. Who the farg is going to light up the world with passes to Reggie, Curtis, Shobel, and a swing pass to Westbrook every fourth play? Does anyone believe they're really going to run more?
Two words: Brent. Celek.
But seriously, you've got a point......
Although, I have to believe (or break down in tears) that Tony Hunt means they understand running more is important.
All this talk about Kolb replacing McNabb, McNabb being pissed off, McNabb maybe not being pissed off, what does any of it matter? There is still only one adequate weapon for any QB in that offense. Next year, there's going to be one less average weapon when LJ leaves. Who the farg is going to light up the world with passes to Reggie, Curtis, Shobel, and a swing pass to Westbrook every fourth play? Does anyone believe they're really going to run more?
yep...even the patriots recognize that arguably the greatest qb of all time could use some help now and then...even if he doesnt really need it...mcnabb on the other hand absolutely is not the kind of qb that can win by himself and except for one season the eagles have ignored surrounding him with weapons
IGY... McNabb has won basically by himself since he's been here. He won with gems like Charles Johnson, James Thrash & Todd Pinkston to throw to.
If he had excellent weapons in his prime and a coach who actually called a balanced game, the Eagles would be running out of shelf space in the trophy room at NovaCare by now.
Even you have to admit that...
The farging Patriots. How many #1 receivers do they have now?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 07:34:04 PM
IGY... McNabb has won basically by himself since he's been here. He won with gems like Charles Johnson, James Thrash & Todd Pinkston to throw to.
If he had excellent weapons in his prime and a coach who actually called a balanced game, the Eagles would be running out of shelf space in the trophy room at NovaCare by now.
Even you have to admit that...
You're farging killing me rome. Please stop.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 30, 2007, 07:34:55 PM
The farging Patriots. How many #1 receivers do they have now?
Counting Jabar Gaffney roughly eleventy million.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 30, 2007, 07:40:31 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 07:34:04 PM
IGY... McNabb has won basically by himself since he's been here. He won with gems like Charles Johnson, James Thrash & Todd Pinkston to throw to.
If he had excellent weapons in his prime and a coach who actually called a balanced game, the Eagles would be running out of shelf space in the trophy room at NovaCare by now.
Even you have to admit that...
You're farging killing me rome. Please stop.
One of my favorite pastimes is tormenting cats with laser pointers.
farger.
Based on 10 people surveyed, 2 like the pick. I win.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2007, 05:59:38 PM
i called this a long time ago and now the rest of you are finally seeing it...the guy is a spoiled weak mentally soft individual...
but thats not even why im saying cut him...its more to do with having your qb of the future now...the money aspect and donovans inability to stay healthy...
lmao thats what you always say no matter what. b4 the dallas game last season you were harping on him for not saying "this game means more". mcnabb won.
it really doesnt matter...you can say that forever and when it finally hits you claim to be right. i dont care if mcnabb is offended or not because to me his play on the field never reflects that. is he sensitive or soft? who the hell cares...he plays on a broken ankle, plays through pain, and never gives a half assed effort on the field.
considering the talent at WR the team has surrounded him with and how the coach refuses to help him out by not running the ball im shocked he has lasted so far. on top of that he has to deal with idiots like rush, TO, and the activists who pop in here and there.
if he is cut or traded it wont be cause he is soft or that he couldnt win, its cause of the money which really shows where this FO has its priorities. i fully believe they want to win but they also want to remain competitive every yr and are willing to sacrifice shots at the superbowl by not going for it all.
and no your other statement is not true either...about putting in Feeley or Garcia and still wining the same. are you crazy? look at how the game is called when McNabb is in and when Garcia/Feeley are in. if they call the same type of game for McNabb maybe we win more and win the big game.
maybe this motivated McNabb or maybe not but its not like he has been sucking arse on the field, in fact b4 his injury last season he was playing damn well...it was the defense and lack of running game hurting us...not McNabb's performance.
McNabb has always been Mr. September. Nothing's changed with that.
What usually happens is teams catch on to the passing shenanigans and Reid doesn't alter the game plan one iota. That's when disaster (McNabb getting hurt) happens. You can't throw the ball 600 times a season and expect your quarterback to survive - even a big strong motherfarger like Donovan.
All of this farging bullshtein about his psyche or his fragile feelings means nothing. Unless the Eagles commit to getting him legitimate weapons (other than Westbrook) and running a balanced offense that isn't predicated on him playing like Superman week in and week out, they'll never win the Super Bowl.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 08:03:47 PM
McNabb has always been Mr. September. Nothing's changed with that.
What usually happens is teams catch on to the passing shenanigans and Reid doesn't alter the game plan one iota.
Eventually those shenanigans are cruel and tragic..which makes them not shenanigans at all, really.
Kolb's Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/113193186)
Note the ad at the top of his page.
Shoot the rapper and you win $5K?
Uh oh... IGY's gonna have a field day with that.
:-D
What's his wife's name? I wanna check out her profile.
1. My favorite movie is: Old Yeller
2. My favorite TV show is: Texas Trophy Hunters
3. My favorite cartoon is: Tom and Jerry
4. My hobbies are: Fishing, hunting and golf
5. My favorite animal is a: Catahoula Leopard
6. My favorite subject is: Math
7. My favorite song is: Under the Bridge by the Red Hot Chili Peppers
8. You are sure to find (artist) The Eagles in my music collection
9. When I'm having a snack attack, the first thing I reach for is: Sunflower Seeds
10. My ideal dinner would be: Chicken Fajitas
11. The place I would most like to visit is: The King Ranch
12. The place I would most like to live in is: Heaven
13. My dream car is: Duramax Diesel Chevy Quadcab 4x4
14. If I had three wishes, I would wish for: Three healthy children, an 1,000-acre ranch and a private jet.
15. If I could have a superpower, it would be the ability to: Fly
16. If I were in a movie, my co-star would be Angelina Jolie and it would an underwater movie.
17. If I were the NCAA Executive Director for a day I would: Pay college athletes
18. If I were to go on a dream date, it would be with: No one...I'm engaged
19. The person I would most like to interview is: Brett Favre
20. I would love to be interviewed by: Chris Berman
21. If I won the lottery, I would: Buy a private jet.
22. If I were to start my own company, it would be: In the oil industry
23. The person that got me interested in my sport was: My dad
24. My favorite sport beside the one I play is: Basketball
25. The happiest moment in my sports career was: Tying the game with an 81-yard touchdown pass to Vincent Marshall in the Hawai'I Bowl in 2003
26. I would like to be considered as a role model for young people because: That's the reason God put me here...to help others on my way up
27. I could never be Head of Football Operations because I think they have the hardest job in the world.
28. The most embarrassing thing that happened to me was: I was misquoted in a TV interview
29. My pet peeve is: Getting scratched
30. My role model is: My grandfather
31. My head coach thinks I am: A competitor
32. My teammates think I am: One of the guys
33. I describe myself as: A down-to-earth country boy
34. The best advice anyone ever gave me was: Don't ask someone else to do something you can do yourself (Art Briles)
35. If I could change one thing about my or my life, it would be: That I was 6-5.
36. The thing I like most about college is: Independence
37. The thing I like least about college is: No funds
38. My career goals include: Win a conference championship, play in the NFL and start by own business
I'll bet $10 that Applebee's is his favorite restaurant.
Oh no! He likes hunting and fishing!
Quote18. If I were to go on a dream date, it would be with: No one...I'm engaged
Hilarious.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 08:34:38 PM
Quote18. If I were to go on a dream date, it would be with: No one...I'm engaged
Hilarious.
That is pretty hysterical. Something tells me that the thought of listing his fiancee never crossed his mind...
Finally. Someone who will give worse post-game press conferences than Andy.
something tells me this cat is gonna have a hard time making it in philly
I was doing a random search and came across this nugget in an interview with Kolb:
QuoteQ: When you look at the NFL, where do you think you best fit in? Is there a particular team you'd like to join?
KK: Man, I have no idea right now. I don't know. There is a handful of teams that I would like to go to. Basically the biggest thing to me is living in a good city where I can raise my family. I'd like kind of a small-town atmosphere that fits my lifestyle the best.
Nothing says "small town" like the fourth largest city in the country. Oh, and raising children in Philly? Yep - just like Podunk, Texas.
:yay
philly actually has a pretty "small-town" mindset, despite it's size
Quote from: rjs246 on April 30, 2007, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 08:34:38 PM
Quote18. If I were to go on a dream date, it would be with: No one...I'm engaged
Hilarious.
That is pretty hysterical. Something tells me that the thought of listing his fiancee never crossed his mind...
If he did say, "my wife" then he'd be a total fag. Hell, if my wife asked me who my dream date would be with, I'd tell her the truth: "whoever you say, honey."
Each individual block/section/area of Philly is kind of like the small town. Expect most of the people are crazy, there is loads of crime and taxes are outrageous. Other than that, it's any town USA.
my perfect date would be with my wife's balloon knot
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2007, 08:41:38 PM
philly actually has a pretty "small-town" mindset, despite it's size
He'll live in Villanova or Moorestown or some other rich-ass enclave. Somehow I don't see him commuting to work from Fishtown every morning.
he wants to live on a 1000 acre ranch and spit sunflower seeds out the back of his quadcab...its probably fair to say philly wasnt the ideal place for the kolb's
He can do this an hour outside of the city. It literally goes from Philly to Alabama in a matter of miles.
Tin Cup.
maybe he can buy uncle chollys place when he gets fired in october
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 30, 2007, 08:42:15 PM
If he did say, "my wife" then he'd be a total fag.
I'm not arguing with that. I just think its funny that he went to the trouble of saying 'no one' AND mentioned that he was engaged.
stop thinking stupid things are funny
I can't help it. Next I'll be laughing at King of Queens and DVRing Two and a Half Men!
Kill me.
Kevin James is a pretty funny dude, actually
Impressive making fun of TV shows I hate, yet America finds funny. Winner: rjs.
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2007, 08:53:20 PM
Kevin James is a pretty funny dude, actually
Plus he's white and has two first names.
kevin james is unbeliebaly funny on that show...so is the father
jerry stiller, ben stiller's dad
stiller on seinfeld>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stiller on king of queens
never seen a full episode of seinfeld but im pretty sure thats totally not true
he's basically playing the same character
well yea. but his interaction with kramer, george and estelle is leaps and bounds better than anything king of queens will ever why am i having this conversation with igy?
QuoteThere is no timeframe here, either on the length of Donovan's career or on how long it will take Kolb to get ready to play. The Eagles added an outstanding prospect to the position. They already have a terrific player at the position. Seems like a good situation to me.
Except DMac is on the wrong side of 30, injured a lot, and due $10MM dollars a year come '09. Buh-bye.
Childress will trade for him in a heartbeat, then probably win a SB. Then I'll pound myself in the nuts until it kills me.
Quote from: MDS on April 30, 2007, 09:14:00 PM
well yea. but his interaction with kramer, george and estelle is leaps and bounds better than anything king of queens will ever why am i having this conversation with igy?
You just like him more on Seinfeld because he played a Jew.
Feeley was on with Eskin and he said that he texted Donovan and he said he was "surprised". AJ said they were both surprised.
Nothing about him "seething" as DGunn the drama king says.
And IGY, when McNabb is gone and we're dealing with talent like Bubby Brister, Jeff Kemp, Ken O'Brien, Bobby Hoying, Brad Goebel, and whatever other schlubs have lined up behind center over the years we'll revisit this discussion.
Hell, look at how long Dallas and Miami have been trying to replace their stud QBs. Buffalo, too.
For igy, here's some hard-hitting quotes from Donny's daddy:
Phreak's girl Dana (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/McNabb__0146_s_dad_claims_drafting_QB_doesn__0146_t_bother_him__but___.html)
Quote"I'm not concerned about it. My son works for the Philadelphia Eagles right now and when he doesn't any longer, there are 31 other NFL teams he can play for."
Sam McNabb wasn't hostile or defensive when he said it. In fact, he was fairly relaxed, but there is doubtless an undercurrent broiling there. Hardly a threat, Sam McNabb's statement still implies that, lucrative and lengthy contract not withstanding, no NFL marriage has to last forever.
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"It really doesn't matter what I think, does it? They're going to do what they're going to do no matter what I think."
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"You're asking the wrong man. I'm in Chicago. I don't know."
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"Having been around Philly, no matter what happens or what he says or does, it doesn't stop people from talking. I just wish people would appreciate what they have while they have it. You have to enjoy the moment.
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"Look, my bottom line is, what I think doesn't matter. It's not my choice to argue. I'm not getting into any controversy because what I think isn't going to change anything. They're going to do what they want. Why worry about what you can't control?"
Too bad his son has a vagina. But he's good.
I love it when they editorialize. "Here's his quote, but despite the words you can tell he's pissed. There's a thickly veiled threat in there, you just have to trust me on this."
Quote from: General_Failure on May 01, 2007, 12:04:34 AM
I love it when they editorialize. "Here's his quote, but despite the words you can tell he's pissed. There's a thickly veiled threat in there, you just have to trust me on this."
well since they cant actually talk about the pick (KOLB) himself they must muster up some drama.
I heard Kolb shot a kid in the face at the airport when the kid asked for an autograph. Where's the outrage over that?!
Honestly, kids shouldn't be pestering people for autographs.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 01, 2007, 12:28:36 AM
I heard Kolb shot a kid in the face at the airport when the kid asked for an autograph. Where's the outrage over that?!
Honestly, kids shouldn't be pestering people for autographs.
i think thats him coming out of his small town country boy shell and trying to fit in with philly.
werd is bond
mr mcnabb is correct is one very big sense...the eagles dont give two flying shteins about him or his son...the guy is gone as early as after this season and thats just the way it is...hate the game
Ha, Kolb added me as a friend. Now i'm a huge fan :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 30, 2007, 10:47:08 PM
And IGY, when McNabb is gone and we're dealing with talent like Bubby Brister, Jeff Kemp, Ken O'Brien, Bobby Hoying, Brad Goebel, and whatever other schlubs have lined up behind center over the years we'll revisit this discussion.
Hell, look at how long Dallas and Miami have been trying to replace their stud QBs. Buffalo, too.
That's because they didn't have the foresight to draft their QB of the future a few years before they needed him to play.
when McNabb is gone and we're dealing with talent like Bubby Brister, Jeff Kemp, Ken O'Brien, Bobby Hoying, Brad Goebel, and whatever other schlubs have lined up behind center over the years we'll revisit this discussion.
why is it automatic that when mcnabb retires or gets released that the eagles will go right back to bubby brister as their qb...retarded statement...do you have that little faith in andy developing a qb?
it aint like mcnabb has won superbowls and trent dilfer kurt warner and brad johnson havent...mcnabb has been a good qb for the philadelphia eagles and i thank him for his service but dont act like hes irreplaceable...
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 09:14:59 AM
but dont act like hes irreplaceable...
Sam McNabb is going to find you and kill you. Him and Stewart Bradley.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 06:26:12 AM
mr mcnabb is correct is one very big sense...the eagles dont give two flying shteins about him or his son...the guy is gone as early as after this season and thats just the way it is...hate the game
I thought he was "coddled" by the organization?
Good article (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20070501_Rich_Hofmann___HEIR_CONDITIONING.html)
IGY, Mcnabb is not gone this season. stfu already with your nonsense. ::)
I thought he was "coddled" by the organization?
oh he absolutely was...they know if he wasnt he would have emotionally imploded...but when it comes time to move on and his contract starts reaching 8 digits the coddling will stop with the quickness
Mcnabb is not gone this season. stfu already with your nonsense
never said he was definitely gone after this season...but its certainly possible depending on kolbs development...i said as early as after this year he could be gone
A guy like Kolb can sit around and learn for the next three to four years waiting to get his shot. All the while McNabb works a little harder to keep his spot. Win win. Just like Montana and Steve Young. West coasty goodness all around...
Quote from: Phanatic on May 01, 2007, 10:28:49 AM
A guy like Kolb can sit around and learn for the next three to four years waiting to get his shot. All the while McNabb works a little harder to keep his spot. Win win. Just like Montana and Steve Young. West coasty goodness all around...
I agree with this. There is no way Kolb comes in and learns this offense overnight (ie...one season). It will take him 3 years to figure it out and by then, we can re-visit this. But this crap about McNabb being done this season or next (barring injury reasons) is preposterous and the media is feasting on something to write about. Period.
youre crazy if you think the eagles used their first pick in the draft to take a qb who wont see the field until hes 26 or 27 years old and approaching his second contract...
this isnt a 7th round pick...this was their number 1...the writing is on the wall...the process of getting this kid into the starting qb position has started...whether you like it or not
you also are severly underestimating the eagles management of their salary cap...when they signed mcnabb to this deal they had no intention of paying the back end years...and they still dont
If Kolb has no chance of playing for three years (or more) then why waste a pick at #36 when there were players there who could step in immediately and at least contribute?
That's the thing I don't understand about all this. Kolb might be a bust, a decent player or an All Pro. No one knows for sure. But I think we can all agree that there were other players there who could have helped this team immediately, right?
If Kolb has no chance of playing for three years (or more) then why waste a pick at #36
because they have no intention of waiting three or four years for this kid to play
the next step is to get a young big time wr for kolb to grow with...i think that comes next year in the draft...at least i hope it does...andy has to have learned his lesson in what he surrounded mcnabb with
We're not the ones that are crazy.... they meaning the team are. They probably did that and actually if you think about it that gives Kolb the biggest chance for success in the NFL. That being said it is kind of maddening that they took him so high and that is what is throwing everyone off.
I also suspect that they know something that we don't about McNabb or they're just crazy. You pick. Maybe both.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 10:46:25 AM
If Kolb has no chance of playing for three years (or more) then why waste a pick at #36
because they have no intention of waiting three or four years for this kid to play
the next step is to get a young big time wr for kolb to grow with...i think that comes next year in the draft...at least i hope it does...andy has to have learned his lesson in what he surrounded mcnabb with
Draft a young big time wr? Preposterous!! Since when does this front office get recievers for their franchise QB to play with. I mean really...
We're not the ones that are crazy.... they meaning the team are
if this is possbile i at the same time dont like the kolb pick and i also support it
i like the overall idea of having the future franchise qb on the team...but they better be planning on this kid taking over next year or the year after...if their plan right now is to wait three four five years for kolb to take over then they should be shot on sight as the pick was completely assinine
I love cheese sticks with marinara sauce.
There were many other need postions in the draft, so to trade away to Dallas to land a QB that early only means the intentions of Andy Reid and staff are to play this kid sooner than later.
I think the front office is realizing the injury is a major concern regardless if McNabb is so-called "ahead of schedule". He will try to rush back as did Culpepper and probably pay the price. McNabb is not your steady pocket passer like the other QB's who came back from the injury to play well (Palmer). His chances of a reinjury are much much higher
The system is going to to be thrown at this kid much faster now, comprehending it is another issue
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 09:33:37 AM
never said he was definitely gone after this season...but its certainly possible depending on kolbs development...i said as early as after this year he could be gone
2nd
Crazy Thought, maybe NE will cut Stallworth :paranoid :evil
Then again its not like the FO will re sign him
speculate speculate speculate.....asshats
They have a few WRs now don't they?
That's what I keep saying. It's not like they have garbage at WR.
Everyone was in love with Stallworth, and possibly rightfully so, but that's allowing them to postulate that Brown/Curtis/Baskett is not a legitimate top 3.
Even though all 3 have made a lot of big plays (even Baskett), none of them have proven to be a consistent #1. The part people forget is that Stallworth wasn't either, mostly because he was either hobbled a bit or sidelined.
i havent heard anyone say the wr's are garbage....they just arent as good as last year
they are not better than last year, but they aren't bad enough to be a problem.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 12:28:13 PM
i havent heard anyone say the wr's are garbage....they just arent as good as last year
That's debatable. They have all the same young guys that should be "a year better" in Brown, Baskett, and Avant... they also now have Bloom and Bethel Johnson (although I really don't count them in the equation).
Really, your argument is that Kevin Curtis can't even be compared to Donte' Stallworth, and while I agree that Stallworth is definitely going to make more BIG plays when he's on the field, I think Curtis will be better in 3 specific ways:
1. He'll be on the field more. Fewer injuries.
2. He can play the slot and go across the middle more.
3. He will make more catches and more first downs.
Again, I think the root of this is actually a bit of racism. Curtis is a solid player and should do well this year. If Stallworth stays healthy all year and is catching passes from Tom Brady, his numbers will be better, of course... but it's far from a foregone conclusion that the WR's won't be as good as last year.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2007, 12:30:12 PM
they are not better than last year, but they aren't bad enough to be a problem.
true.
a part of me wants mcnabb to come back at 80% or something so it forces reid to run the ball a lot till it sticks in his head that even with mcnabb in the lineup he can and succeed.
Quote from: SunMo on May 01, 2007, 12:30:12 PM
they are not better than last year, but they aren't bad enough to be a problem.
Though with the addition of Curtis they are significantly more handsome. Think of all the OC wannabe bitches walking around drunk after games!
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2007, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 12:28:13 PM
i havent heard anyone say the wr's are garbage....they just arent as good as last year
That's debatable. They have all the same young guys that should be "a year better" in Brown, Baskett, and Avant... they also now have Bloom and Bethel Johnson (although I really don't count them in the equation).
Really, your argument is that Kevin Curtis can't even be compared to Donte' Stallworth, and while I agree that Stallworth is definitely going to make more BIG plays when he's on the field, I think Curtis will be better in 3 specific ways:
1. He'll be on the field more. Fewer injuries.
2. He can play the slot and go across the middle more.
3. He will make more catches and more first downs.
Again, I think the root of this is actually a bit of racism. Curtis is a solid player and should do well this year. If Stallworth stays healthy all year and is catching passes from Tom Brady, his numbers will be better, of course... but it's far from a foregone conclusion that the WR's won't be as good as last year.
how doess moss figure into the equation. stallworth really isnt a possesion WR so doess moss take away from his #s or by default give him more opportunities?
The Eagles spread the ball around so much it doesn't really matter if they have a #1 WR.
Hell, we all know Westbrook is the best receiver on the team so why bother arguing who is the #1 at WR anyway?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on May 01, 2007, 12:35:55 PM
how doess moss figure into the equation. stallworth really isnt a possesion WR so doess moss take away from his #s or by default give him more opportunities?
I think you'll see Moss and Stallworth both going down the field and both playing the "possession" role at times. The Patriots like to pass the ball, and if he stays healthy, Stallworth will have great numbers, with or without Moss.
Moss should have numbers like T.O. had in 2004 in that offense. Whether he will or not depends on how much they're planning on focusing the offense on Brady's arm or Maroney's legs.
Stallworth on the other hand... who knows? It all depends on whether he stays healthy, mature, and focused now that Moss will be the #1 receiving threat. He didn't handle the secondary receiver role well in New Orleans.
i wanna see curtis do something as a starting WR with reggie brown and/or hank baskett across from him....this aint the #3 wr position going against the rod hoods of the world with torry holt and issac bruce protecting you
hell i wanna see marques colston have a repeat performance so excuse me if i dont believe in hank baskett who did next to nothing last year...the kool aid involving him is one of the strongest flavors ive ever seen for an eagle bandwagon and thats saying something
reggie brown i like a lot as a #2 wr
They have all the same young guys that should be "a year better" in Brown, Baskett, and Avant
brown is what he is
as for avant and basket a year better than what? 29 total catches...just cause andy reid tells you these guys are nfl players doesnt make it so...especially at the wr position of all places
I like Baskett as a #3 or #4. Big body. Makes plays. Made two 80+ yarders last year. What's not to like?
I still think Avant is a very polished player that can make an impact, but even if I'm wrong... he won't do any less than he did last year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 12:45:52 PMthe kool aid involving him is one of the strongest flavors ive ever seen for an eagle bandwagon and thats saying something
2 80+ yard TDs sweetens the mix
2 80+ yard TDs sweetens the mix
ha....i was waiting for how long it would take ff to drop the two 80 yarder line...its like motherfarging clockwork
Quote from: Diomedes on May 01, 2007, 12:47:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 12:45:52 PMthe kool aid involving him is one of the strongest flavors ive ever seen for an eagle bandwagon and thats saying something
2 80+ yard TDs sweetens the mix
he has that sweet sweet character as well.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2007, 12:49:16 PM
ha....i was waiting for how long it would take ff to drop the two 80 yarder line...its like motherfarging clockwork
It is what it is. It proves he's not ridiculously slow and can occasionally make a big play.
Those two eighty-plus yarders were sweet, though, especially against Dallas. He ran right in front of my seat in the end zone. Goddamn it that was cool as hell.
farg Dallas.
PS: Check out this link from Youtube... note who posted it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTLBX5CUtFs
:o
That was a happy day.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 01, 2007, 12:45:35 PM
Moss should have numbers like T.O. had in 2004 in that offense. Whether he will or not depends on how much they're planning on focusing the offense on Brady's arm or Maroney's legs.
Stallworth on the other hand... who knows? It all depends on whether he stays healthy, mature, and focused now that Moss will be the #1 receiving threat. He didn't handle the secondary receiver role well in New Orleans.
Aaron Brooks was the QB just to remind you. that could have something to do with his production.
Joe Horn > Stallworth
now
Randy Moss > Stallworth
That's the comparison I was making. I wasn't really busting on Stallworth's production more his ability to handle being the #2 guy again.
funny that out of stallworth and moss stallworth is the one that has to stay focused and mature...good stuff romey
My only complaint about Stallworth was his health. His maturity and attitude were never anything but stellar.
I'm not knocking Stallworth at all. I just think Kevin Curtis deserves a fair shake and that the WR's are capable of making a lot of plays this year, even without Stallworth.
Where exactly did I say that Moss didn't?
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2007, 01:26:57 PM
His maturity and attitude were never anything but stellar.
In Philly, yes. In New Orleans, that's just plain incorrect.
These conversations get dumber and dumber by the second.
Where exactly did I say that Moss didn't?
you said moss will have TO numbers if brady gets him the ball enough...whereas stallworth is a question mark who has to stay mature and focused
the irony here is that moss is one of the most deliquent immature players in league history and its him that has to stay mature and focused to be successful...its him that has to accept playing in the new england offense where there is no number one wr and the guy whos open gets the ball
Moss has never been mature or focused. He's always gotten by on raw talent yet he's still been one of the best receivers ever to play the game.
Stallworth isn't even close to being in Moss's league talentwise or production-wise. In order to be productive he has to remain focused, especially now that he's not the go-to guy.
You guys are arguing about nothing. Is it fun?
i could go for some blueberry waffles right now.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 01, 2007, 02:39:33 PM
i could go for some blueberry waffles right now.
I just had mozzarella sticks from Sonic.
Good shtein.
2nd and 3rd-round quarterbacks taken since 2000:
2006 #49 (2) = Jets took Kellen Clemens (Pennington)
2006 #64 (2) = Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson
2006 #81 (3) = Chargers took Charlie Whitehurst (Rivers)
2006 #85 (3) = Chiefs took Brodie Croyle (Huard)
2005 #67 (3) = Browns took Charlie Frye (groomed but replaced)
2005 #69 (3) = Raiders took Andrew Walter (groomed but replaced)
2004 #90 (3) = Falcons took Matt Schaub (Vick)
2003 #88 (3) = Texans took Dave Ragone (Carr)
2003 #97 (3) = Buccaneers took Chris Simms (groomed but replaced)
2002 #81 (3) = Cardinals took Josh McCown (groomed but replaced)
2001 #32 (2) = Chargers took Drew Brees
2001 #53 (2) = Cowboys took Quincy Carter (bust)
2001 #59 (2) = Raiders took Marques Tuiasosopo (bust)
2000 #65 (3) = 49ers took Giovanni Carmazzi (bust)
2000 #75 (3) = Ravens took Chris Redman (bust)
Not exactly a guarantee that Kolb is going to replace McNabb at all...
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 01, 2007, 03:48:22 PM
Not exactly a guarantee that Kolb is going to replace McNabb at all...
No shtein, Sherlock. Note the one thing that
is constant about that list...
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 01, 2007, 03:48:22 PM
2006 #49 (2) = Jets took Kellen Clemens (Pennington) - Jets were unsure of Pennington's injury status and took Clemens as insurance.
2006 #64 (2) = Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson - Vikings only had Brad Johnson and needed a QB of the future
2006 #81 (3) = Chargers took Charlie Whitehurst (Rivers) - Insurance policy in case the unproven Rivers couldn't cut it
2006 #85 (3) = Chiefs took Brodie Croyle (Huard) - Trent Green aging and in need of young replacement
2005 #67 (3) = Browns took Charlie Frye (groomed but replaced) - Needed a QB desperately
2005 #69 (3) = Raiders took Andrew Walter (groomed but replaced) - Needed a QB desperately
2004 #90 (3) = Falcons took Matt Schaub (Vick) - This is possibly the only one on the list that actually was taken primarily as a backup... but there still were and certainly are questions about Vick's staying power at QB.
2003 #88 (3) = Texans took Dave Ragone (Carr) - Carr was unproven and needed a backup and/or someone to push him. Ragone just sucked even worse.
2003 #97 (3) = Buccaneers took Chris Simms (groomed but replaced) - He was taken to be a starter and still technically is.
2002 #81 (3) = Cardinals took Josh McCown (groomed but replaced) - He's bounced around... but AGAIN, the intention was for him to start.
2001 #32 (2) = Chargers took Drew Brees - Obviously, he was taken to play and start.
2001 #53 (2) = Cowboys took Quincy Carter (bust) - Yep. Again... Jones thought he was the black Jesus.
2001 #59 (2) = Raiders took Marques Tuiasosopo (bust) - Another failed attempt by the Raiders to get a successor to the ancient Rich Gannon
2000 #65 (3) = 49ers took Giovanni Carmazzi (bust) - Tabbed to replace Steve Young, he instead sucked anus.
2000 #75 (3) = Ravens took Chris Redman (bust) - Ravens certainly wanted to plug in a better and younger QB than Dilfer.
It's inarguable that most of the guys listed there were taken by teams with the INTENT of having them start, so if your only point is to say that Kolb might not pan out in the NFL... no shtein. If you're trying to say the Eagles have no INTENTION of starting him, you're simply wrong.
you mean all players dont pan out in the nfl?
also im not gonna go thru the list but how many of those qb's were the first pick made by the respective club
im gonna guess most of them were the second or even third pick of the draft and thus were more towards being a luxury pick
Pick # for their respective teams from that list:
Redman - 3
Carmazzi - 5
Tuiasosopo - 2
Walter - 3
Carter - 1
Brees - 2
Whitehurst - 3
McCown - 3
Simms - 2
Ragone - 5
Schaub - 3
Frye - 3
Croyle - 3
Jackson - 4
Clemens - 3
Kolb - 1
No doubt the Cowboys were picking Carter to be a starting QB.
All the guys picked 2nd were obviously picked with the intention of starting also.
Croyle was picked to be the future in KC too; I think that has a lot to do with why they made no play for Quinn
This is actually a cunning move by the FO if you think about it. they draft a QB hi up. Hype him up, groom him for a year or two, then trade him for Jerry Rice. GENIOUS!!!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 01, 2007, 12:45:35 PM
Moss should have numbers like T.O. had in 2004 in that offense. Whether he will or not depends on how much they're planning on focusing the offense on Brady's arm or Maroney's legs.
Stallworth on the other hand... who knows? It all depends on whether he stays healthy, mature, and focused now that Moss will be the #1 receiving threat. He didn't handle the secondary receiver role well in New Orleans.
everyone is leaving out Wes Walker for some odd reason. I wouldnt be surprised if he has better numbers than Stallworth....and a better hamstring
Quote from: reese125 on May 01, 2007, 08:17:25 PM
everyone is leaving out Wes Walker for some odd reason
skin color
usually the more i think about some FO decisions i usually see a side to it that i didnt see b4 and maybe even find some positive...but its tuesday and im still pissed about this pick.
what makes it worse is that we traded down so dallas could get a DE who could be all over our QB, whoever is starting. i mean at 26 i would rather just take spencer for the hell of it. why? cause i think with our 57th rd pick we could have still picked up kolb. or maybe if other teams were interested we could have moved up. but letting dallas get a potential pass rusher and at the same time drafting not a need but a project.....
i guess i need few more days to let this sink in.
Spencer will be all over nothing. He sucks anustits.
what makes it worse is that we traded down so dallas could get a DE who could be all over our QB, whoever is starting
dont worry about spencer...he aint any good...plus the eagles have handled ware very nicely and hes ten times the player spencer is...if spencer is all over our qb its because the tackles they employ at the time suck
...which is possible, because Justice is still a ? and we're not even sure who will eventually play on the other side.
But we'll worry about that in 2008.
I'm about sick and tired of people crying about them trading with Dallas.
Shut up.
They did it two years ago and Mark Eckel was leading the charge against them for doing it then because they took Chris Canty, a guy who Eckel was blowing as being great and that trade would be something the Eagles regret.
So to summarize; shut up about the trade with Dallas.
you have to admit its risky phreak...i just dont think in this case it will hurt them
If its player swap; I wouldn't do it.
But draft picks I don't care about especially if the Eagles weren't going to take anyone there. Just more picks and roll outta there. I'm not a big Spencer fan anyhow so maybe thats why I dont care.
In the end they are coached by Wade Phillips
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2007, 09:05:55 PM
If its player swap; I wouldn't do it.
But draft picks I don't care about especially if the Eagles weren't going to take anyone there. Just more picks and roll outta there. I'm not a big Spencer fan anyhow so maybe thats why I dont care.
In the end they are coached by Wade Phillips
im not particularly worried about dallas overall. its just that say spencer does pan out it could come back to bite us....which is true for any draft/pick but within the division its just worse.
still its not as bad as seattle trading jackson to san fran.
The longer time goes by the better i feel about this draft. Also when i look at the Skins, they definitely make me feel better about our draft.
DGunn reported on CSN that.......OMG....McNabb and Reid talked to each other today! :o
Yeah, but it was only to tell McNabb that he was being traded to Houston.
University of Houston.
I love the way Kolb plays the game. He's a gunslinger out there.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 02, 2007, 12:01:10 AM
DGunn reported on CSN that.......OMG....McNabb and Reid talked to each other today! :o
drama rama
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 02, 2007, 08:52:18 AM
I love the way Kolb plays the game. He's a gunslinger out there.
And the first Brett Favre reference rolls in. And its already one too many.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 02, 2007, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 02, 2007, 08:52:18 AM
I love the way Kolb plays the game. He's a gunslinger out there.
And the first Brett Favre reference rolls in. And its already one too many.
It's not the first. I think Ed posted some comparison like this...
Both from the south.
Both wear #4.
Both have last names that are spelled different than they sound.
OMG WE DRAFTED FAVRE
excellent survey question on wip today
what will happen first:
a. eagles make another superbowl
b. kevin cobb becomes the starting quarterback
excellent survey question on wip today
what will happen first:
a. eagles make another superbowl
b. kevin cobb becomes the starting quarterback
well in order for A. to happen. Andy Reid needs to go.
I'd go with A, reason being is the NFC is weak and only going to be worse next season. The Bears won't be back, the Saints and Eagles should be the front runners.
Yeah... I'll probably go with A as well off of the strength, or lack thereof, of the NFC.
Thing is... if there's a healthy McNabb, QB play probably won't be the reason if this team doesn't get back to the Super Bowl.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2007, 10:56:20 AM
excellent survey question on wip today
what will happen first:
a. eagles make another superbowl
b. kevin cobb becomes the starting quarterback
I'm leaning towards A... but if it were "Eagles WIN a Super Bowl"... the answer is certainly B.
I think the Colts and Patriots offenses will be impossible for the Eagles to stop for the remainder of McNabb's time in Philly.
More bad news for the McNabbs (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=d7fa4e6d07c286262c0df668d06cd275)
what the farg
Quote from: hbionic on May 03, 2007, 02:54:37 PM
More bad news for the McNabbs (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=d7fa4e6d07c286262c0df668d06cd275)
ha
The only way the Eagles win the Super Bowl in the next few years is if they NFC remains mediocre (likely) and they luck into playing a team in the Super Bowl who loses their best player in the AFCCG yet still advances.
For instance, if Manning, Brady or Tomlinson go down and are out of the Super Bowl, they'll have a shot.
I think they'll be contenders for the NFC again next year but a lot of things have to go right for them to advance not the least of which is a healthy Donovan with his head screwed on straight.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6773026?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6773026?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5)
Me too, brother, me too.
Inside Kolb's plasma is the cure for AIDS.
and underneath his beard is another fist?
That's ridiculous. Whitney doesn't like it when Kevin grows out his beard.
Do all QB's from Texas have neck beards when they grow them?
only the ones who were molested...so yes, all of them
shtein... only steers and queers come from Texas!
Quote from: methdeez on May 04, 2007, 04:11:36 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6773026?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6773026?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5)
Me too, brother, me too.
Dude certainly says all of the right things.
Quote from: hbionic on May 03, 2007, 02:54:37 PM
More bad news for the McNabbs (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=d7fa4e6d07c286262c0df668d06cd275)
lmfao at the last line
Someone in the secret TATE told me that Kevin Kolb was viewed as a top 10 pick by nfl scouts and wonders why Eagles fans aren't as excited about getting Kolb that late as they were about the Winston Justice pick.
Someone in the secret TATE told me
should have stopped typing right there and blew your brains out
Suggestion noted.
I forgot about PTATE. Havn't been over there in months.
Yea you stopped posting there when rjs stopped posting there.
Just wasn't exciting anymore.
Plus watching Westbrook carry the load pretty successfully made my point for me after a while. :yay
Yeah, you sure showed me! Westbrook didn't miss any game time this year... oh, wait.
well, it was only one game. at least he didn't miss any other practice or he wasn't a question mark for most of the games...oh, wait
Yeah, that little farger can't carry the load, won't ever last long enough to get to 1000 yards in a season...oh, wait.
You're an idiot.
Would you two get a room already?
Normally I would but it's hard to concentrate with Munson's lips on my scrot.
Wait until I get up to Boston for the Pats game, you'll wish it was still Munson's lips.
Just what I was hoping for, a Munson v. MDS battle royale for the right to suckle my stepchildren.
everyone knows i'll murder the winner anyway
That's my boy.
and we'll celebrate with a tall glass of green tea!
rjs I hope you have bagels and lemonade. Others I'm not coming.
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neil hartman was in houston for the last several days putting together a two part series on cobb...it airs tonight on CSN at 6:30 & 9 and tomorrow @ 6 and 10
easy i fully expect you to at some point have a link for this up and running
many thanks in advance
I hear that Kolb has already signed a 15 year contract extension. The deal is contingent on signing his first contract.
He's obviously a gunslinger
He's just having fun out there...
How can you not love the way he plays the game?
...speaking of which, I guess his wife should just start chemo now.
If I'm Kolb's dad... I'm starting to get a little worried.
Has he checked himself into rehab yet?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 08, 2007, 09:17:39 AMeasy i fully expect you to at some point have a link for this up and running
ha
Hartman was on WIP this morning and said that he came away from the interview very impressed with Kolb. Apparently Kolb told him that although he grew up a Dallas fan, he was more of a quarterback fan instead and loved to watch Aikman and Favre, and he can't wait to get booed when he returns to Dallas in December...
You don't usually get booed, or noticed, as a 3rd stringer...
nuh uh! He's gonna start this year and McNabb will be driven out of town! Philly media said so!
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070511/capt.bfc32fba8380470bab5e059bf78e589b.eagles_minicamp_football__pahr105.jpg) (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070511/capt.e4955b3d42e1488e8a0da337ac193a21.eagles_minicamp_football_pahr106.jpg)
QuoteA little green? Shocking QB pick wins over Rhome, Eagles
May 10, 2007
By Clark Judge
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Shortly after I reached Jerry Rhome by telephone Thursday, the former star quarterback and longtime NFL assistant excused himself. In the middle of a morning golf game, it was his turn to strike the next shot.
"OK," he said when he returned. "I'm within putting distance for a birdie."
Kevin Kolb will benefit from not being pressed into duty right away -- as long as Donovan McNabb is healthy.
Rhome enjoys golf and plays it well enough to carry a handicap of 12. But it's his other passion, schooling quarterbacks, that had me calling. I wanted to know how much time he spent with University of Houston quarterback Kevin Kolb, Philadelphia's first draft choice, and how long it will take for Kolb to develop into a pro.
"Good questions," said Rhome, as he walked to his next shot.
Kolb (pronounced Cobb) is the talk of Philadelphia not because of anything he has done but because what his arrival means for starter Donovan McNabb. McNabb already has said he was "shocked" by the choice, and Kolb hasn't said much of anything.
But Rhome did, and you might want to pay attention because Rhome is better with young quarterbacks than he is with his short game. He schooled Vince Young a year ago, working with him on taking snaps from center, and the results speak for themselves: Young was the league's Offensive Rookie of the Year.
This year he spent parts of four months with Kolb, working on the same problems that confronted Young. Kolb was a shotgun quarterback in college, but he was a shotgun quarterback in high school, too, and if there was a question on the guy at the February scouting combine it was how much trouble he might have taking snaps from center.
That's where Jerry Rhome came in.
"When I first got to Kevin it was after the Senior Bowl," said Rhome, "and he'd been working in Norv Turner's offense. Now, Norv and I are from similar systems -- what with me working in Washington and Minnesota -- so I understand his offense well.
"Basically, I took 15 patterns from the University of Houston and had him draw them up on the board. Then, I took the same patterns and drew them up from Norv Turner's system. So what you're doing is taking one pattern from one system and turning around and drawing the same pattern in another system. It's like talking two different languages.
"When teams would talk to him the question that always came up was: Can you adapt to other systems? And he proved he could. When he went to the board he showed how intelligent is he; then when they worked him out he did very, very well. Essentially, he showed them it's no problem.
"The same thing happened with Vince Young. When he got on the board, he did very, very well, and then, on the field, he answered whatever questions that were left. So two stumbling blocks were eliminated."
Kevin Kolb is not Vince Young. Jerry Rhome knows that. You know that. Anyone who follows football knows that. But he does share a couple of things with the Tennessee star: 1) He had to convince NFL teams he could adjust his game to fit their styles, and 2) he enlisted Rhome to help him with the argument.
Apparently, he succeeded. Kolb was the third quarterback taken in the draft.
"Personally," said Rhome, "I think he's mentally ahead of where Vince Young was at this time last year. Who isnt? Physically, I don't know if anyone is ahead of Vince Young. The guy can run and make plays and rise to the occasion. And he'll only get better the more he plays."
Rhome was instrumental in the making of Vince Young for the NFL. The two followed the same script as Rhome and Kolb -- meeting for a week here, a week there, to practice snaps, drops and deliveries. When they were through, Rhome expressed no reservations about Young making it in the pros.
"With the Titans he had to be ready to play," said Rhome. "I remember saying it would be better to train him and prepare him and build up his skills before throwing him into the fire, but when (Steve) McNair left he had to play because the Titans were on the ropes.
"With Kevin I hope that won't be the case; that McNabb comes in and plays well; that they go far, and Kevin can learn as he goes.
"Look, he's going to be a good quarterback. He has an accurate arm, and he's strong enough to make all the throws. It's all there. Maybe he's not a 10 in all categories, but he's a 9 in most of them. You put that all together, then see how he operates under pressure, and you have yourself a quarterback."
What Rhome must have is patience. I mean, with all this talk about Kevin Kolb what in the world happened to that birdie putt?
"Oh, I took a par," he said. "I putted while I was talking. I sometimes shoot pool with one hand -- only I'm not talking into a cell phone."
Here's hoping life in the NFL is as easy for Kevin Kolb as life on the fairway is for his teacher.
BFF!
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He's trying to listen, but he can't take his eyes off the beard.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 12, 2007, 03:52:45 PM
BFF!
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"This is what happens when a woman becomes aroused."
McNabb kind of looks fat. Not Ryan Howard kind of fat, just kind of fat.
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2007, 04:47:49 PM
McNabb kind of looks fat. Not Ryan Howard kind of fat, just kind of fat.
The beard adds 10 pounds.
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2007, 04:47:49 PM
McNabb kind of looks fat. Not Ryan Howard kind of fat, just kind of fat.
He's 6'2" 240 pounds. He's going to kind of fat regardless if he's an athlete or not.
Quote from: Dillen on May 12, 2007, 05:10:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2007, 04:47:49 PM
McNabb kind of looks fat. Not Ryan Howard kind of fat, just kind of fat.
He's 6'2" 240 pounds. He's going to kind of fat regardless if he's an athlete or not.
What about 6'4" and 250. No reason... just asking. :paranoid
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 12, 2007, 03:52:45 PM
BFF!
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"These are the two guys you're not gonna want to throw the ball to. They'll be outside, so don't worry about looking their way. The little guy behind you and the guy with his initials tattoo'd on his arms, that's gonna be your bread and butter. Good luck with this chucklehead coach, you're gonna get sacked ten times a game. Now I'm off to the beach to spend some time with my lady."
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2007, 04:47:49 PM
McNabb kind of looks fat. Not Ryan Howard kind of fat, just kind of fat.
i was just about to say that.
i would like to see the mcnabb from his first few seasons where he was a lil less heavy.
"These are the two guys you're not gonna want to throw the ball to. They'll be outside, so don't worry about looking their way. The little guy behind you and the guy with his initials tattoo'd on his arms, that's gonna be your bread and butter. Good luck with this chucklehead coach, you're gonna get sacked ten times a game. Now I'm off to the beach to spend some time with my lady."
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:-D :-D :-D
i thought mcnabb lost weight? i mean he looks the same in that pic ???
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/FLBPNPBEAOEN/PE0N6334.JPG)
Where is wifey?
He definitely looks like a good ol' southern boy.
I hate every one of these draft picks.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 11, 2007, 07:00:33 PM
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I'm not sure why but his shirt in this picture makes me farging angry.
It's because his collar isn't popped.
Could be. Or it could be the fact that it was made for your 370 pound grandmother. Take the collar off and it's a farging nightgown. Way to get drafted, hick!
i can't wait to get his jersey, i love this kid
Quote from: rjs246 on May 17, 2007, 08:18:34 PM
I'm not sure why but his shirt in this picture makes me farging angry.
Is it because you despise horizontal stripes & are more of a paisley guy?
I just wish he was wearing something skin tight to show off his beautiful biceps. Silly.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 18, 2007, 09:55:52 AM
I just wish he was wearing something skin tight to show off his beautiful biceps. Silly.
Here you go, sweetums...
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/FLBPNPBEAOEN/PE0N6334.JPG)
Its hard to believe he weighs 218
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 18, 2007, 10:03:51 AM
Its hard to believe he weighs 218
You need something else in the shot for scale. He's huge. He pays several cooks to skate around a giant skillet to make his flapjacks.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 17, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
Could be. Or it could be the fact that it was made for your 370 pound grandmother. Take the collar off and it's a farging nightgown. Way to get drafted, hick!
yeah his clothes are totally not tight enough. what the farg is wrong with you.
we need to get a recount on his chromosomes. he 's total trailer trash :-D
Quote from: phattymatty on May 18, 2007, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 17, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
Could be. Or it could be the fact that it was made for your 370 pound grandmother. Take the collar off and it's a farging nightgown. Way to get drafted, hick!
yeah his clothes are totally not tight enough. what the farg is wrong with you.
He just got drafted and he looks like he's going to a slumber party with his girlfriends to take silly pictures. Buy a suit or a shirt that fits, jackass.
tight shirts are for the gays.
I don't want him to walk around in a shiny raver shirt. I would just prefer that my favorite team's highest draft pick not dress in maternity clothes.
Quote from: mussa on May 18, 2007, 11:10:52 AM
we need to get a recount on his chromosomes. he 's total trailer trash :-D
If there was only a way to download his thoughts, so we know what he's really like......
He also wears his watch on the inside. What a fruit.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 18, 2007, 11:32:23 AM
I don't want him to walk around in a shiny raver shirt. I would just prefer that my favorite team's highest draft pick not dress in maternity clothes.
caring about what any football player wears automatically makes you a gay of highest gayness. gay.
Make yourself presentable DOUCHES!
Quote from: Beermonkey on May 18, 2007, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: mussa on May 18, 2007, 11:10:52 AM
we need to get a recount on his chromosomes. he 's total trailer trash :-D
If there was only a way to download his thoughts, so we know what he's really like......
he has to be dead before they can do that. idiot ::)
Quote from: Beermonkey on May 18, 2007, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: mussa on May 18, 2007, 11:10:52 AM
we need to get a recount on his chromosomes. he 's total trailer trash :-D
If there was only a way to download his thoughts, so we know what he's really like......
:-D
Is it just me or does Kolb have a smidge of Bud Bundy in him?
(http://adria.fesb.hr/~anbubic/Slike/budbundy4.jpg)
Dave Faustino looks like a guy who uses his share of Axe body spray.
i have a cd called rap rhymes: mother goose on the loose
its got mostly hip-hop artists on it rapping mother goose stories
and one of the songs is david faustino doing 'mary mary quite contrary'
needless to say its an abomination
Bud Bundy was in the news recently (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1501119/story.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10440120)
I'm glad they used a recent photo.
(http://www.flyersphans.com/forums/image.php?u=2281&dateline=1179501910)
lolol
ive seent that and its still hilarious
you can pretty much never go wrong with an owl
Quote from: SunMo on May 18, 2007, 07:26:31 PM
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Honestly. I want to make love to that. In the owl rectum.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 18, 2007, 06:37:39 PM
I'm glad they used a recent photo.
can't get enough mullets these days.
Kolbsy is on NFL network right now...wearing RJS's favorite shirt
Kolbsy
dont do it
permanent
Thats about as bad as the nicknames the hockey players seem to have for each other...add a "y" at the end of every name.
Phreaky makes a good point.
Calm down, Sassy.
GFy?
Banned.
You mean Bannedy?
That's even beneath my level of retardation. Bad Dio!
Aidsy for everyone
Mmm, AIDSy. :yay
Hi guys
I heard with the addition of Kevin Kolb, McNabb is going to be traded to the Bears.
wouldn't that be nice
QuoteEAGLES SIGN KEVIN KOLB by Michael David Smith
PFT Editor Mike Florio checks in to report that the Eagles have reached a contract agreement with their first pick in this year's draft, quarterback Kevin Kolb.
The deal guarantees Kolb $2.62 million, which is an 11.5 percent increase over the player chosen in the same slot last year, Patriots receiver Chad Jackson.
Kolb was a four-year starter at Houston and the Eagles' surprise first pick. Philly traded out of the first round and grabbed Kolb 36th overall.
Although Donovan McNabb is the Eagles' starter for now, Kolb is widely perceived as the Eagles' quarterback of the future.
Hip hip hooray
you mean kelly holcolmb isnt percieved as the eagles qb of the furture?
Maybe Kelly Holcomb, Jr.
Kelly Preston
This makes the Eagles the first team to sign all picks?
Take THAT, fans of Super Bowl-winning teams. Ha! In your face!
Quote from: Diomedes on July 25, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
This makes the Eagles the first team to sign all picks?
Third after Sandy and Pitt.
Ah, okay You can see how closely I've been paying attention.
Bronze standard represent.
I can't help but think of the movie the Devils Advocate when I see Kolb with his wife
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I guess that makes Lurie or Reid the Devil
didn't realize kolb was married. but he is what, like 35 years old correct?
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why did you answer that seriously?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2007, 02:07:04 PM
I can't help but think of the movie the Devils Advocate when I see Kolb with his wife
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I guess that makes Lurie or Reid the Devil
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Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 02:22:01 PM
why did you answer that seriously?
I have nothing better to do with myself
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 26, 2007, 02:29:57 PM
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Good call. I'm slow today.
You dipshteins really need to read this entire thread.
Good stuff here. Lots of it.
why is sd showing up as a guest? did he cancel his subscription or something?
he left the ranch
Not the same
yeah, i just noticed the 5 at the end.
Ha! Canel account and post anyway. And on the Cobb thread no less.
Just get back here bitch.
Who would have thought just three short years ago that Kevin Kolb would be one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL?
Oh, and again... LOL at some of the responses earlier in this thread.
I definitely thought he sucked ass until the NO game.
of all the comments in the thread to look back on you pull that easy
i dont get why thats even remotely interesting or noteworthy
really no comments in like the first 6-7-8 pages are
the cobb pick was what it was and is what it is...deservedly ripped at the time...and its a pick where even if he pans out it doesnt make anything anyone said in this thread quotable or outlandish
they didnt need him at the time and definitely didnt need to trade a #1 pick for him
and if andy turns him into a qb theres little question he would have done the same with trent edwards or any several other qb's picked behind cobb in this draft
I was the first to go on the record loving the pick. This guy.
if you loved the pick when it happened you were wrong
if you love the pick now you might be right
if you love the pick after he makes his first pro bowl you are definitely right
It is always interesting to look at player comparisons from when they were drafted and then a few years down the line. And there is no way of knowing if Andy would turn any of those other QBs into anything. Hell we don't even know if Kolb is a good QB yet or not.
You may not know. Don't speak for the rest of us.
and theres no way of knowing he wouldnt turn any of the picks from that draft into good qb's
but im almost 97? percent sure if he turns cobb into a player he would have turned trent edwards into a player...especially because they both have skills that lend themselves to this offense
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
and theres no way of knowing he wouldnt turn any of the picks from that draft into good qb's
but im almost 97? percent sure if he turns cobb into a player he would have turned trent edwards into a player...especially because they both have skills that lend themselves to this offense
I am pretty sure that is what I said.
Steuber, the draftnik that he is, loved the pick.
doesnt he write for pe.com
Don't know if he writes, but he ha a forum where people suckle his teats over his draft analysis.
haha isnt that the board that romey gets super pissed at
yessir. Its pure comedy watching him get riled at Capt Stoopid
If by get riled by you mean point and laugh at hysterically, then I'm in complete agreement with you.
His press conference was a sight to behold. Dude is a polished motherfarger and it was amazing to see how he handled the jackals from the Philly press corps.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=90226
might be the most accurate internet poll ever.
because the united states loves the eagles and their fans?
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2010, 11:00:08 PM
His press conference was a sight to behold. Dude is a polished motherfarger and it was amazing to see how he handled the jackals from the Philly press corps.
This made me laugh. And feel bad for you. Bravo
As long as he doesn't crack awful unfunny jokes, break out any awkward dance moves, or puke on the field... Well, let's just say that he'll be a legend if he's even an averagish QB.
It's refreshing to see a QB whose press conference is all business. It shows focus. A joke or two would have been fine as long as he didn't go over board like McNabb did on every imaginable occasion.
mcnabb never even had jokes...shaq has jokes..mcnabbs jokes almost entirely consisted of pretending to be serious when he wasnt...and he failed miserably even at that
you're very active this morning
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"It does feel very special. I don't think it's just because now I'm the starter, I think everybody can kind of sense that there's this united feeling between everybody," he said. "We're all kind of young, and even though we haven't hit the field together yet as a core group, you can just kind of sense that - hey, man, we have this energy that we're just going to go out there and prove a lot of people wrong."
It's still less than 4 weeks since the Eagles traded McNabb to Washington. Somehow, it seems longer.
"They've been a whirlwind, but it's been fun. Now that I'm back in the groove of being the starter and dealing with things and getting this out of the way, it feels right," Kolb said. "Everything has felt right up to this point, and I know that it will in the future. I'm very comfortable here, very comfortable in the city of Philadelphia, and nobody is more excited than me and my wife for hopefully sticking around here for a long time."
thinly veiled 5 shots
hey, he learned what Donovan never could
Quote from: mussa on April 30, 2010, 07:34:41 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2010, 11:00:08 PM
His press conference was a sight to behold. Dude is a polished motherfarger and it was amazing to see how he handled the jackals from the Philly press corps.
This made me laugh. And feel bad for you. Bravo
it's nice that you have feelings of any kind, mussa. i just always assumed your account was a spybot judging from the moronic things you post here.
Take Kolbs penis out of your mouth and I wouldn't need to point out how gay you are for the man. Besides, what do words mean at this point? I'm not joining this bukkake party until I see him score fargin points on Sundays.
I think it's pretty funny that the younger guys are saying the team is united now that McNabb's gone. I find it quite hilarious when McNabb put heat on them last year, and they all acted like a bunch of children and cried about it instead of stepping up to the plate and performing. Now they are united because old man McNabb isn't there to judge them anymore? This team isn't united! They just don't have daddy telling them to step up their game.
nobody said shtein except fans and media when Donovan made that statement.
but why i am arguing with a retard
What the farg do you want from them? To develop telepathy and force McNabb to throw accurately?
Quote from: mussa on April 30, 2010, 10:56:20 AM
Take Kolbs penis out of your mouth and I wouldn't need to point out how gay you are for the man. Besides, what do words mean at this point? I'm not joining this bukkake party until I see him score fargin points on Sundays.
I think it's pretty funny that the younger guys are saying the team is united now that McNabb's gone. I find it quite hilarious when McNabb put heat on them last year, and they all acted like a bunch of children and cried about it instead of stepping up to the plate and performing. Now they are united because old man McNabb isn't there to judge them anymore? This team isn't united! They just don't have daddy telling them to step up their game.
damn, i didn't know deion sanders posted here.
yeah when did any of the young guys cry...pimp was the only one that commented and all he said was that it was a misunderstanding and he and donovan talked privately about it ans squashed it
then donovan came out with an air guitar and completed three passes in the first half of a playoff game
Muss that couldn't be further from the truth. Donovan did all of nothing in either of those two games. You don't throw your teammates under the bus when you didn't do sthein either.
He had some opportunities early in the second game and completely missed them. Had he made those plays it might have been a different ball game. Not to mention how many times did he over throw pimp when he was wide open? I didn't even think that was possible.
I agree 100% with what SB said he learned what Donovan never could. He has embraced the city and if he is a competent QB it will do the same to him.
the crazy part is Kolb is a Cowboys fan, grew up in TX and still recognizes what it means to be the Eagles Starting QB more than Donovan understood. farg it, i'm happy Donovan is gone, he never was philly, nor will he ever be Philly. Its like the talk of why Bwest and Dawk were so loved, they understood the game here.
Was a Cowboys fan.....I hope
shtein his parents make sure to rock Birds gear now. They know who pays the bills.
I don't understand how you can say he embraces anything without actually playing yet?! Who's to say he doesn't turn to mush if shtein hits the fan. I just think its a little ridiculous to be crowing him king when he hasn't proven anything! Of course I hope I am wrong about this but please until he proves himself the blow fest needs to stop. Please make it stop!
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"I'm definitely not the whole reason why we lost these games," McNabb said Wednesday. "Can I help? Yes, I can. But I'm not fully to blame for everything that goes on around here. I can help, but I'm not that main solution. I'm a piece of the puzzle, and when the puzzle's put together, then we'll have success."
Its a true statement is it not?
I'm excited to crow Kolb king.
Cawww!!1
2012, its happening
Quote from: mussa on April 30, 2010, 11:56:44 AM
I don't understand how you can say he embraces anything without actually playing yet?! Who's to say he doesn't turn to mush if shtein hits the fan. I just think its a little ridiculous to be crowing him king when he hasn't proven anything! Of course I hope I am wrong about this but please until he proves himself the blow fest needs to stop. Please make it stop!
I think you are completely missing the point, no one is crowning him. In fact most people on the board are taking wait and see approach. The reason people are embracing him is because he isn't McNabb and his tired act.
Didn't you ever hear the expression? "the most popular guy in town is the backup QB"
Your all gay for Kolb. Caww cawwww!
Between the Kolb cork sucking and IGY turning everything into a "thinly veiled shot"....this thread is entertaining
Quote from: mussa on April 30, 2010, 12:02:29 PM
Its a true statement is it not?
no it's not. he touches the ball more than anyone else on the the team so he IS the main issue and a leader doesn't spend all day pointing fingers.
and who has crowned kolb king ? what just because people don't rock the chicken little act they're swinging on his nuts ?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 30, 2010, 12:13:11 PM
Between the Kolb cork sucking and IGY turning everything into a "thinly veiled shot"....this thread is entertaining
this is a not so thinly veiled shot at IGY
I'm still on board. And, Mussa, I don't think it's as much a love for Kolb at this point as it is refreshing that McNabb took the thin-skinned, inacccurate act elsewhere. I'm not so much happy it's Kolb as much as I was ready for something different. But since it's Kolb, well, go Kolb. Whatever. It wasn't going to happen with McNabb, who was getting a worse attitude and a worse relationship with the city. I know that. I don't know about Kolb, so that's a step up.
How quickly we forget or fail to grasp the fact that its a team sport and while there should be blame on McNabb, mostly, and blame put on the players for performance. In reality, you really need to question the people calling the plays, making in-game decisions, and using players to their best abilities. I can't say it enough, Andy Reid is a joke of a coach. His offensive game plan is so outdated and one sided and has been for years that to me, the only reasons they have been successful is because of the players that they've had and the inability of teams who play them to exploit it!
Regardless of my negativity the team needed a changed and if Reid wasn't going then letting McNabb go and hopefully adjusting the offense to fit a more balanced attack is what I've wanted since the super bowl. I find it hard to have faith in a coach who time and time again has shown no ability to adapt to what is going on during games. While the Kolb love grosses me out, my real beef is with the coaching staff when it comes down to it. I just hope they switch it up with Kolb under center. And I pray...
one day you will get that this isnt a reid mcnabb thing or a cobb mcnabb thing
its a mcnabb is a douche good riddance thang....and you dont understand
McNabb is a douche, but I think he could have won with a different coach.
Reid is a terrible in-game coach who couldn't inspire his QB to greater things because he never really pushed him.
None of us have any idea what the Kolb / Reid beast will look like but it's something new and that alone is worthy of a cheer.
Now all of you shut up and root for laundry.
And errands.
With mussa going off on a rant in one direction, I'll play Devil's Hippo and suggest something new in the other direction. Here we go!
McNabb is such a douche that he was ignoring the plays that were radio'd in and calling horrible passing plays in the huddle. There, now we have a totally legitimate reason why the offense always seemed more balanced without McNabb in the lineup.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 30, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
With mussa going off on a rant in one direction, I'll play Devil's Hippo and suggest something new in the other direction. Here we go!
McNabb is such a douche that he was ignoring the plays that were radio'd in and calling horrible passing plays in the huddle. There, now we have a totally legitimate reason why the offense always seemed more balanced without McNabb in the lineup.
Which might be the case if Reid didn't himself admit that he dumbed down the offense for backups.
I'm sticking with my version.
mussa's nonsensical ramblings aside, how can eagles fans not be excited at the prospect of new blood taking over? kolb might end up being the next brad goebel for all we know but i can't help but be optimistic over how things are coming together for the offense.
at the very least we won't have to worry about mcnabb playing the victim anymore and that's a win-win regardless if you love the guy or hate him.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 30, 2010, 03:12:49 PM
McNabb is a douche, but I think he could have won with a different coach.
Reid is a terrible in-game coach who couldn't inspire his QB to greater things because he never really pushed him.
None of us have any idea what the Kolb / Reid beast will look like but it's something new and that alone is worthy of a cheer.
Now all of you shut up and root for laundry.
That's where I'm at...again though, I think Kolb is not going to be the answer. Yes, I'll root for him because this is my team. But it pains me to think that he's the QB we're relying on to bring a Lombardi to Philly.
Quote from: Rome on April 30, 2010, 05:21:02 PM
mussa's nonsensical ramblings aside, how can eagles fans not be excited at the prospect of new blood taking over? kolb might end up being the next brad goebel for all we know but i can't help but be optimistic over how things are coming together for the offense.
at the very least we won't have to worry about mcnabb playing the victim anymore and that's a win-win regardless if you love the guy or hate him.
I'm not going to get excited until we get a new coach or the coach gets a new game plan.
Until then, I'll just hope that Kolb/whoever comes next is the next Montana.
Nobody is being relied on to win a Lombardi this season, and almost certainly not next season.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 30, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
Nobody is being relied on to win a Lombardi this season, and almost certainly not next season.
I mean ever, GF.
What if Reid balances out the offense, Kolb does great and they are back in the playoffs within a year? Does that mean Reid could get an extension? Wait won't that be 2012? farg I knew it...
Good point, PG... But that's only because they're going to rename the Lombardi the Kolb trophy.
I thought they already had. I mean, the guy had two 300 yard games. Two!
I'm just glad that we're all positioning ourselves squarely on the middle of the fence so we can all claim to look smart after the fact.
Everyone but PG, that is.
Bahaha...
Like there's any chance of us actually being smart.
Thanks to Ed, I am now all over the twitter scene:
Stewart Bradley is upset that he can't catch up to Celek in followers.
Jamar Cheney is foregoing other activities tonight to study his playbook.
Coleman played with the 2nd team because Nate Allen is banged up.
Pimp: "1st day of mini camp went real good.. kevin kolb putting in that work.. the youngs guns ready to do big things this yr watch out now!!"
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 30, 2010, 07:58:42 PM
Thanks to Ed, I am now all over the twitter scene:
Pimp: "yr watch"
Jackson watches The Wire.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 30, 2010, 07:25:01 PM
I'm just glad that we're all positioning ourselves squarely on the middle of the fence so we can all claim to look smart after the fact.
Everyone but PG, that is.
no one is in the middle...99% of people havent made a judgement yet...being in the middle is going both ways...
enter munson: if the eagles win with cobb hes joe montana and would win with any offense...if the eagles lose with cobb...its andy and i told you so...i dont expect actual thought from him because his brain neutrons dont fire...but he doesnt care about anything except making mcnabb innocent in the last 11 years...doesnt matter what happens in dc or philly for the next 100 years donovan would have won with a different coach and thats that
agree on pg....as inept as her thinking is at least she standing her ground...she has barely any evidence whatsoever to think this way but shes sticking to it and if nothing else that honorable
you calling someone else's thinking inept is laughable.
So if Kolb ends up being piss poor for the next 2 years, then what? Its not inept?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
So if Kolb ends up being piss poor for the next 2 years, then what?
Then they probably start over with the next guy.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
you calling someone else's thinking inept is laughable.
So if Kolb ends up being piss poor for the next 2 years, then what? Its not inept?
what you are doing now will always be inept...because you have no idea what kind of player hes gonna be...hes been all over the map...i saw him in TC for three years and he was a laughing stock...i saw him play last year and throw for 300 yards multiple times...hes not matt mccoy or chris gocong...hes shown something and hes at a position that is incredibly hard to predict...in other words anyone that says right now that he stinks or is the answer is inept..[rjs] INEPT i say[rjs]
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
you calling someone else's thinking inept is laughable.
So if Kolb ends up being piss poor for the next 2 years, then what? Its not inept?
Enter the Kafka Era!
unless the tub of bacon fat changes his offensive philosophy it wouldn't matter if joe montana in his prime was the quarterback.
you'd think after 11 years of this that simple fact would be self-evident.
alas...
Quote from: Rome on April 30, 2010, 09:22:10 PM
unless the tub of bacon fat changes his offensive philosophy it wouldn't matter if joe montana in his prime was the quarterback.
you'd think after 11 years of this that simple fact would be self-evident.
alas...
this couldnt be more wrong...well i wouldnt say wrong but saying this is as dumb as pg saying cobb will automatically stink
his offense could easily win a superbowl in this league...and i hate the guy
Where did I say he will automatically stink?
I don't have faith that he will win the Eagles a Super Bowl.
please show me an offense that throws the ball 60 percent of the time and doesn't run the ball effectively that has won a super bowl.
i'll wait...
i dont feel like doing a search but you have killed him as a qb dozens maybe hundreds of times
and now your big proclamation is that he wont win what less than 30 qb's that have ever played in the league have won
pretty ballsy there
as usual, you're missing my point.
The goal of a football team is to draft/get a QB that will help your team (lead them) to win a SB.
I do not have the faith in Kolb that he is that guy.
why not
is there evidence or is this in your gut and your goin at this bush style?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 30, 2010, 09:33:19 PM
as usual, you're missing my point.
The goal of a football team is to draft/get a QB that will help your team (lead them) to win a SB.
That's what the goal should be. In reality, the goal of this football team is to sell tickets and jerseys by being good enough to make the playoffs consistently. You know this.
Quote from: Rome on April 30, 2010, 09:28:33 PM
please show me an offense that throws the ball 60 percent of the time and doesn't run the ball effectively that has won a super bowl.
i'll wait...
for one eagles dont throw it 60% of the time...they go 58% of the time
and i dont know if any teams have thrown for 58 and won it all...i doubt it...but i know for a fact that more than one have gone 55 plus and won it
the league is different now...its not the 70's or 80's or even 90's...its an all pass league...and the eagles can def win a title at their run pass ratio...the real question is can a coach who cant in game adjust and is terrible at clock management win a superbowl
in the end you reid with a new qb deserves a chance to be judged just as mcnabb with a new coach deserves the same
but to bring up the old tired run pass ratio thing is being short minded imo
Quote from: KDS on April 30, 2010, 09:35:42 PM
why not
is there evidence or is this in your gut and your goin at this bush style?
Its my feeling on it. You don't have to agree, its just how
I feel.
Why is it okay for you all to have such strong opinions on players but the second I do, its crucified?
what you feel is how you feel that isnt it
its why
if its a random feeling based on nothing then i hate to say it, but thats a bushian method.
if youve got some evidence or some facts or a basis, then by all means, share it
picking out a random first time starter in the nfl and saying you dont think he will win a superbowl is not a feeling
i dont think brad edwards can ever win a superbowl
i dont think sam bradford can win a superbowl
i dont think trent dilfer can win a superbowl
i dont think matt cassel can win a superbowl
i dont think kurt warner can win a superbowl
i dont think _______________ can win a superbowl
thats not a feeling thats making an almost lock solid bet
less than 1% of the qb's to ever play in the league have won a superbowl
do you have multiple personalities?
not tonight
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2010, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 30, 2010, 07:25:01 PM
I'm just glad that we're all positioning ourselves squarely on the middle of the fence so we can all claim to look smart after the fact.
Everyone but PG, that is.
no one is in the middle...99% of people havent made a judgement yet...being in the middle is going both ways...
enter munson: if the eagles win with cobb hes joe montana and would win with any offense...if the eagles lose with cobb...its andy and i told you so...i dont expect actual thought from him because his brain neutrons dont fire...but he doesnt care about anything except making mcnabb innocent in the last 11 years...doesnt matter what happens in dc or philly for the next 100 years donovan would have won with a different coach and thats that
agree on pg....as inept as her thinking is at least she standing her ground...she has barely any evidence whatsoever to think this way but shes sticking to it and if nothing else that honorable
If the eagles win the SB with Kolb, then either Kolb is infinitely better than any of us could have ever hoped, or Andy Reid balanced out the offense. If Kolb is somewhere on McNabb's level, and the offense remains the same, we're looking at more 2nd round playoff exits and lost NFC Championship games. Yay!
I know you have a really hard time reading, but no one is making McNabb out to be "innocent"...what the intelligent people who have the ability of cognitive thought have been saying is that all the dog piling on McNabb like it was mostly his fault is ridiculous and retarded. Of course he deserves some of the blame for the choke jobs, but he certainly isn't the only one to blame. McNabb was(is?) good enough to win with a competent coach on a good team. The dude's weakness is his accuracy and yet you insist at throwing at a 60% clip...an NFL coach who plans on keeping that guy around for 11 years should have been smart enough to take notice and adjust the offense accordingly.
Quote from: Munson on April 30, 2010, 09:59:28 PM
If Kolb is somewhere on McNabb's level, and the offense remains the same, we're looking at more 2nd round playoff exits and lost NFC Championship games. Yay!
The dude's weakness is his accuracy
lol so if cobb is mcnabb they wont win a superbowl...brilliance right there
and im confused so mcnabbs problem was accuracy or reids offense?
like what if instead of mcnabbs normal 58% in reids offense cobb goes for like 65%...certainly not the best of the best but like jason campbell was last year...
could they win a superbowl then?...or would he be better than we all thought...for example is jason campbell better than we all thought?
Quote from: Munson on April 30, 2010, 09:59:28 PM
If the eagles win the SB with Kolb, then either Kolb is infinitely better than any of us could have ever hoped
should also mention that cobb doesnt have to be infintely better than we all hoped....because no one other than you and pg know what hes gonna be like
how about not a choking bed wetter like mcnabb and ill take my chances
you dont need a great qb to win anymore in this league...if rex grossman and jake delohomme can make a superbowl then almost anyone can win it
except donovan mcnabb
He had a 50/50 shot, since he got there once.
Quote from: KDS on April 30, 2010, 10:37:11 PM
except donovan mcnabb
well yeah...why i said 'almost'
point is when donovan was a rookie...or even in his 3rd 4th and 5th years nobody on earth was saying he couldnt win a superbowl...we all thought it possible
like i was saying its so easy to just say 'this guy' will never win a superbowl...well duh...99% of the league will never win a superbowl...but over time mcnabb proved he never would or could
right now we are back to mcnabbs rookie year where i think most of choose to give cobb or anyone else in his same situation a chance to win one...rather than just write him off before he ever really plays...or say cobb sucks he isnt any good or cobb cant win unless ______ happens
thats just being ignorant and/or salty that your hero mcnabb couldnt do it
which is where pg comes in
shes just being stubborn with this kolb thing and her "feeling" that he sucks
well i got a feeling that pimp is gonna whip out his 10 incher and cock slap tony romo in the face but that doesnt mean its gonna happen. i have no evidence to support it. its just a feeling. its what i think.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2010, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 30, 2010, 09:59:28 PM
If Kolb is somewhere on McNabb's level, and the offense remains the same, we're looking at more 2nd round playoff exits and lost NFC Championship games. Yay!
The dude's weakness is his accuracy
lol so if cobb is mcnabb they wont win a superbowl...brilliance right there
and im confused so mcnabbs problem was accuracy or reids offense?
like what if instead of mcnabbs normal 58% in reids offense cobb goes for like 65%...certainly not the best of the best but like jason campbell was last year...
could they win a superbowl then?...or would he be better than we all thought...for example is jason campbell better than we all thought?
If Kolb is McNabb, then yes obviously the chances are they won't win a SB. Someone like that does give you the slight chance to win one, but as we've obviously seen it's a small chance. A good QB who has troubles with his accuracy at times. He can win you games and he can lose you games. He can get you into the playoffs, and give you the chance to win...but will he win?
But if Kolb throws at a 65%+ clip, it would definitely help their chances of winning...though a lot of it is going to depend on how the run game does, and how the defense plays....but that certainly would be better than I thought. Do YOU really expect Kolb to throw with that kind of accuracy?
You are correct...you DON'T need a great QB to win the SB anymore. But if you are going with an average QB, you better have a ballin ass run game and/or a defense that's playing lights out....aka 2005 Steelers, 2002 Bucs, 2000 Ravens, 2007 Giants............Do you really think the Eagles have that kind of run game or defense? The sad part is we'll never know if they have the type of run game to carry a team, because at the end of the day Reid will go down throwing the ball. That's the coach he is, like it or not.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/eagles/20100512_Paul_Domowitch__Yards_after_catch_will_be_big_part_of_Eagles__offense_with_Kolb.html
More McNabb bashing:
Quote"Because of how accurate he is, we're going to be able to catch the ball in stride and do something with it," said wide receiver Jeremy Maclin. "Now that he's behind the center, I definitely think there are going to be more opportunities for those types of [yards-after-the-catch] thing"
And our resident Eagle joins in on the fun as well:
Quote"Kevin's accuracy is going to be the biggest factor [for more yards after the catch]," Celek said. "If you get it there accurately, the guy can catch it and turn upfield. If it's not [accurate], you've got to turn your body and it slows you down and the defense can catch up quicker. Getting the ball out fast and getting it to you in a position where you can cut up the field quickly is what it's all about."
100% true.
Huh. So McNabb is inaccurate. Who knew?
I did.
(http://www.concretefield.info/forum/Themes/greentheme/images/post/wireless.gif)!
I think you're lying to me again, hot stuff.
If nothing else, it's good to see the young guys talking with confidence. They seem fired up ready to go. But...if Kolb doesn't get any protection....well, you know.
Quote from: shorebird on May 12, 2010, 05:10:41 PM
If nothing else, it's good to see the young guys talking with confidence. They seem fired up ready to go. But...if Kolb doesn't get any protection....well, you know.
This. Hopefully he doesn't get crushed back there and we get to watch Michael Vick lead the team to even worse mediocrity.
QuoteSome folks in the organization scoff at the idea that the Eagles are involved in some sort of rebuilding process, but Kolb almost seems to embrace that line of thinking.
"We're suddenly the underdog," he said. "And who doesn't like being the underdog? With the talent we have, there are so many possibilities. But if folks want to believe otherwise, that's fine."
Knowing that Eagles fans might be a bit concerned that Kolb grew up in Cowboys country, I asked him whether he'd worked up any "hatred" toward Dallas.
"Oh yeah, definitely," he said. "I liked them a little bit growing up, but my first love of an NFL team was the Eagles. I was so involved with my Dad's teams growing up that I was up at the fieldhouse on Sundays, and didn't have a chance to watch a lot of games. So I promise you I bleed green at this point. There should be no concern about my past."
Soothing words to all Eagles fans, I'm sure.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/14757/kolbs-making-his-own-trail
he likes whoever is caking him off
As any player should.
farging shut up and win.
QuoteBased on the Eagles' current offensive production and efficiency, and Kolb's familiarity with that system, Football Outsiders projects a 2010 season for Kolb that looks like this: 324 completions in 518 attempts (62.6 completion percentage) for 3,968 yards, 24 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions. As Kolb learns to fool veteran defenders with his eyes, he'll be a better bet to keep those pick numbers low and the fantasy numbers high.
I would take the under on yards and interceptions, but what do I know?
That's more yards than McNabb ever had in this offense, right? And Kolb's going to do that in his first year with a questionable offensive line and a huge question mark of a running game?
Seems unlikely...
Did FBO do projections for everyone or just Kolb? Link? Ass.
if he puts up those numbers
the yards would eclipse mcnabbs all time single season high
the touchdowns would rank third
and the completion % second
as for predictions id like to see him go thru a camp as a number one before i start jerking off into one of his jerseys
best case scenario is hes aaron rogers of 2008.
The completion % I can believe. The touchdown numbers aren't exactly extravagant so whatever. Jerking off onto his jersey is a given.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 13, 2010, 01:07:20 PM
Did FBO do projections for everyone or just Kolb? Link? Ass.
ARTICLE (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Upon-Further-Review-Is-Kevin-Kolb-ready-to-take?urn=nfl,255695)
Buy the almanac, cheapskate. (http://www.amazon.com/Fantasy-Football-Almanac-2010-Essential/dp/0982428618/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279041611&sr=8-2)
buying that almanac would be like having your fantasy draft on memorial day weekend
If they took 1k off the yards and reversed the TDs and INTs, I'd probably call it a good year for him.
I say he throws close to 20 picks.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 13, 2010, 10:20:43 PM
I say I suck close to 20 dicks.*
*these dicks belong to donovan mcnabb
:-D
Weird sonofabitch.
:-D
20 picks is a hell of a lot of picks.
We were spoiled with McNabb never really throwing a lot of picks. We'll have to get used to some Favrian numbers for at least a season or two.
What McNabb lacked in picks he more than made up for in errant third-and-one passes and atrocious sacks.
worm burners
I think it took McNabb at least seven years to realize he can throw the ball away before running out of bounds
Maybe while playing video games...still seems to forget during live game.
mcnabbs biggest problem was way to many three and outs because of his accuracy problems
ill take some picks if it means longer drives and more time of possesion...ie keeping the hideous defense off the field
GOD FORBID THEY RUN THE fargING BALL TO KEEP POSSESSION.
I feel better.
They will. Kolbsy's attempts won't be anywhere near what McNabb's were the last few seasons.....at least not initially. That's my hunch.
mcnabb has avg 33 attempts per game the last three years
i bet cobb goes for 40 against green bay
If Kolb goes for 40 against GB it'll be because they're trailing. And if that be the case, the Birds win 67-24 and Kolb hucks it for 600 yards. And 19tds.
The score reflects the awesomeness penalty that will be imposed by Goodell to reign in the aforementioned awesomeness.
i could easily see him throwing it 40 times in a shoot out that goes back n forth...i actually see them throwing it more than with mcnabb at the start...just because they believe he will be more accurate and will be able to run a ball control offense with the pass...meaning more short passes which in turn means longer drives which produces more attempts
last year when he was just filling in he threw it 35 times against kc in a blowout FOR the eagles
Quotelast year when he was just filling in he threw it 35 times against kc in a blowout FOR the eagles
igy brings up an excellent point - Reid is a dumbass
Only Philadelphia fans can seriously have a "ball control" conversation that revolves around more passing.
Reid has ruined our brains.
You can have that with an accurate QB. Hell it will just be nice to see a guy get hit in stride for once.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Michael-Vick-and-Kevin-Kolb-are-total-BFFs?urn=nfl,256033 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Michael-Vick-and-Kevin-Kolb-are-total-BFFs?urn=nfl,256033)
Poor misunderstood Vick. He was just an investor! And a guy who drowned dogs.
the dogs really should have learned to swim though, can't blame that all on Vick
I'm really disappointed that that was a link to a semi-serious article. The title held such promise for hilarity.
Quote from: SunMo on July 14, 2010, 04:41:20 PM
the dogs really should have learned to swim though, can't blame that all on Vick
Well said!
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 14, 2010, 01:55:13 PM
You can have that with an accurate QB. Hell it will just be nice to see a guy get hit in stride for once.
You must have missed Munson's video link that demonstrates how terrible Kolb's arm is.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 17, 2010, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 14, 2010, 01:55:13 PM
You can have that with an accurate QB. Hell it will just be nice to see a guy get hit in stride for once.
You must have missed Munson's video link that demonstrates how terrible Kolb's arm is.
ha...i almost forgot about that...that post def belongs in the CF HOF
boom
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=20748.825
too good
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 17, 2010, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 14, 2010, 01:55:13 PM
You can have that with an accurate QB. Hell it will just be nice to see a guy get hit in stride for once.
You must have missed Munson's video link that demonstrates how terrible Kolb's arm is.
No how could anyone forget that.
Yes, let's celebrate lame duck throws that accidentally end up in the right place.
When he goes for 15-18 picks this year, it'll be fun reading some of the game day threads.
Quote from: Munson on July 17, 2010, 02:39:16 PM
Yes, let's celebrate lame duck throws that accidentally end up in the right place.
When he goes for 15-18 picks this year, it'll be fun reading some of the game day threads.
wow, you're like the Shane Victorino of CF
And I'd be fine with 15-18 picks this season.
ha...i dont know that id be fine with it but the fact that he was throwing out 15-18 as some epically awful number is hilarious...
Munson 02:47:43 PM Posting in Kevin Kolb, Philadelphia Eagle.
here it comes
IGY always tryin to put words in someones mouth. Where did I say it was epically awful to throw 18 INTs?
He's accurate enough to put up some good numbers, but he stares down his guy, doesn't look off defenders, and has 0 zip on his throws on comeback/out routes. 15-18INTs would actually be a good year for him his first year starting behind a shoddy oline.
i can't believe this moron is still trying to drive this.
what makes it a duck you moron? the fact that it isn't a perfect spiral? something that mcnabb did all the time? it was a perfectly thrown ball that hit the pimp in stride.
Quote from: Munson on July 17, 2010, 02:54:17 PM
IGY always tryin to put words in someones mouth. Where did I say it was epically awful to throw 18 INTs?
He's accurate enough to put up some good numbers, but he stares down his guy, doesn't look off defenders, and has 0 zip on his throws on comeback/out routes. 15-18INTs would actually be a good year for him his first year starting behind a shoddy oline.
Well if you're going to say "When he goes for 15-18 picks this year, it'll be fun reading some of the game day threads." that's in a negative connatation considering you were being sarcastic when you said "you can't wait to read some of the game day threads", meaning you can't wait to read people complaining because 15-18 is a bad INT number. I mean, why else would they complain unless 15-18 was some god awful high INT total?
Quote from: SD on July 17, 2010, 02:57:45 PM
Quote from: Munson on July 17, 2010, 02:54:17 PM
IGY always tryin to put words in someones mouth. Where did I say it was epically awful to throw 18 INTs?
He's accurate enough to put up some good numbers, but he stares down his guy, doesn't look off defenders, and has 0 zip on his throws on comeback/out routes. 15-18INTs would actually be a good year for him his first year starting behind a shoddy oline.
Well if you're going to say "When he goes for 15-18 picks this year, it'll be fun reading some of the game day threads." that's in a negative connatation considering you were being sarcastic when you said "you can't wait to read some of the game day threads", meaning you can't wait to read people complaining because 15-18 is a bad INT number. I mean, why else would they complain unless 15-18 was some god awful high INT total?
EXACTLY...when he posted 15-18 ints he was doing it as a way of saying he was gonna throw a "million" ints this year and people would learn their lesson
it really is incredible how clueless he is...at everything
Quote from: SD on July 17, 2010, 02:57:45 PM
Quote from: Munson on July 17, 2010, 02:54:17 PM
IGY always tryin to put words in someones mouth. Where did I say it was epically awful to throw 18 INTs?
He's accurate enough to put up some good numbers, but he stares down his guy, doesn't look off defenders, and has 0 zip on his throws on comeback/out routes. 15-18INTs would actually be a good year for him his first year starting behind a shoddy oline.
Well if you're going to say "When he goes for 15-18 picks this year, it'll be fun reading some of the game day threads." that's in a negative connatation considering you were being sarcastic when you said "you can't wait to read some of the game day threads", meaning you can't wait to read people complaining because 15-18 is a bad INT number. I mean, why else would they complain unless 15-18 was some god awful high INT total?
At the end of the year I think we'd all agree that that's all we could hope for from him in his first year. I don't really hate him anymore and actually have a little faith that he'll be decent.
But when he's throwing them during the games and killing drives, people here are going to be murdering him for his soft ass throws. Anytime he goes up against a CB like Asante, they're going to eat him alive with all the comeback and out routes andy likes to run.
please stop
If he only throws 18 picks this year, we won't be able to move because of all the boners.
:-D
But, these are the same fans blowing up at the team that won a championship two years ago. No way Kolb gets away unscathed in a game thread when he chucks it to the other team 2 or 3 times.
lol, you're one of the idiots blowing up at the championship team
who the farg loves cobb!!?!?!?!...where has it been written that people are going to give him a pass for his whole career?
its simply amazing to me that people still equate being happy mcnabb is gone to loving cobb
it makes you wanna microwave your cat because the sound of that would be far preferable to listening to you morons
Aside from making the occasional bland, not-surprised-to-see-them-farg-that-up comment, I have not blown up at them. Then again I really don't think the shtein phreak and ho and even IGY say is half as bad as homers like you make it out to be. They're commenting on the games they're seeing, what's the big farging deal.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 17, 2010, 03:25:57 PM
who the farg loves cobb!!?!?!?!...where has it been written that people are going to give him a pass for his whole career?
its simply amazing to me that people still equate being happy mcnabb is gone to loving cobb
it makes you wanna microwave your cat because the sound of that would be far preferable to listening to you morons
???
Strawberry mojitos must be off the hizzy
lol forreal
not shocking that MA's would have reading comprehension skills...what amazing is that munson doesnt even get what i was responding too and he wrote one of the posts
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Quote from: ice grillin you on July 17, 2010, 05:36:11 PM
not shocking that MA's would have reading comprehension skills...what amazing is that munson doesnt even get what i was responding too and he wrote one of the posts
So the man who somehow injected "18 INT's is all time horrible" into a post in which I insinuated that it was just bad and people here would kill him for it is talking about reading comprehension.
And then started spouting off about loving Kolb and giving him a career pass and other random nonsense that didn't even get close to being mentioned in the conversation.
Yeah, nothing to do with him. Must be the MA's
I literally started the shtein storm that has consumed the last 2 pages of this thread. You're welcome.
its not a shtein storm till j weighs in....
I'm anticipating The Summer of Kolb.
Me and my Cowboys fan friend were talking about this while golfing today. I don't know which way to go with Quarterback Jesus.
I sure hope he's ready to play ball.
and lol at SD willingly taking 15-18 picks...you a nutzo or what?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
and lol at SD willingly taking 15-18 picks...you a nutzo or what?
ha
I'd take 15-18 in a heartbeat. His spaghetti arm, tendency to stare at his receiver, and zesty offensive line, he could end up with 22+....but I have enough faith in his accuracy and his growth in reading a defense that he shouldn't be that terrible. 15 INTs would be a great first year for Kevin The Cobb.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
I'm anticipating The Summer of Kolb.
I don't know which way to go with Quarterback Jesus.
Thats why I'm fired up for this season, it's the lure of the unknown.
Peyton Manning threw 16 regular season picks last year.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 18, 2010, 06:50:38 AM
Peyton Manning threw 16 regular season picks last year.
munson disagrees
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2010, 01:04:10 AM
and lol at SD willingly taking 15-18 picks...you a nutzo or what?
15-18 picks for a first year starter is decent.
Manning threw 28 his first season
Brees threw 16 his first season
Bunch of other of the top guys were in the 12-18 range, I dont' see 15-18 picks as being some unreasonable expectation of picks thrown his first full season. I'd rather him throw 0 picks but realistically I think he throws in the 15-18 range his first full season.
Fahvrah throws 15 picks a week, so if Kolb throws that many for the whole season he'll be fine.
Munson, why do you have faith that Kolb has improved his ability to read defenses but hasn't improved his ability to look off receivers before throwing to them?
Well I'm hoping that with the growth in reading defenses, he learns how to look the defense off before he throws. I'm definitely not completely despising the thought of him as the starter anymore. He's got a good shot to at least be decent.
My whole problem with it though is if you're going to get rid of McNabb, you would hope they'd replace him with someone that can win them a SB....and I just don't think Kolb is that guy. I hope he proves me wrong sometime in the next few years.
Quote from: Munson on July 18, 2010, 03:42:34 AM
I'd take 15-18 in a heartbeat. His spaghetti arm, tendency to stare at his receiver, and zesty offensive line, he could end up with 22+....but I have enough faith in his accuracy and his growth in reading a defense that he shouldn't be that terrible. 15 INTs would be a great first year for Kevin The Cobb.
?
The next Bill Walsh has been riding the "weak arm" train for awhile. His arm is not as strong as Donovan's arm, therefore it is weak according to dopey's logic.
he just doesn't have the zip for those out patterns, easy pickings all day long.
lol
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/hou/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/Kolb.jpg)
Stewie, minus the enthusiasm.
enStewsiasm?
no
Quote"Whatever Andy wanted, I would have given him," Heckert said at the time. "A one (draft pick), a two ... two ones. No joke. Kolb is legit."
I would have taken two #1's and McNabb over Kolb in a heartbeat.
If he somehow manages to win a SB while he's here, then I'll change my mind.
Don't be an idiot.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 22, 2010, 10:56:48 PM
Don't be an idiot.
Ha ha ha ha ..nah, that's not happening
yeah you're right....kolb aint winnin no super bowl
munson clearly knows more than Heckert and Reid...clearly.
McNabb and two CLE 1's...for Kolb?
Yeah. Sign me up.
Quote from: SD on July 22, 2010, 11:22:25 PM
munson clearly knows more than Heckert and Reid...clearly.
Sorry, but McNabb + 2 young 1st round picks > Kevin Kolb, at the very least for the next couple of years while Kolb develops.
the key to that deal would be getting first rounders that are young
like 12 year olds
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2010, 06:59:58 AM
the key to that deal would be getting first rounders that are young
lol
Gotta love when people take something out of context to try and make some half baked point.
IGY= FOX news
so munson, considering the offense is going to actually use the WCO playbook unlike the last few years, meaning a ton more short and intermediate passes you still think kolbs arm will hold back the team ?
spaghetti arm!
Quote from: smeags on July 23, 2010, 10:30:19 AM
so munson, considering the offense is going to actually use the WCO playbook unlike the last few years, meaning a ton more short and intermediate passes you still think kolbs arm will hold back the team ?
Don't get sucked in smeags.....don't try to reason with it.
So, people are surprised that the Eagles could have gotten back more in a trade for Kolb than McNabb?
Pretty sure you don't trade away the best QB the franchise has ever had to a divisional rival and give his replacement an 8-figure pay raise unless said replacement is thought to be "legit."
Plus, it's not like Heckert is an outsider. He's probably the one who pulled the trigger on Kolb in the draft.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2010, 06:59:58 AM
the key to that deal would be getting first rounders that are young
POTY nominee, definitely - might be the funniest thing IGY has ever posted
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on July 23, 2010, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: smeags on July 23, 2010, 10:30:19 AM
so munson, considering the offense is going to actually use the WCO playbook unlike the last few years, meaning a ton more short and intermediate passes you still think kolbs arm will hold back the team ?
Don't get sucked in smeags.....don't try to reason with it.
haaaaa
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 23, 2010, 11:26:47 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2010, 06:59:58 AM
the key to that deal would be getting first rounders that are young
POTY nominee, definitely - might be the funniest thing IGY has ever posted
Agreed and munson's idiotic retort was equally funny considering he completely missed the point (as usual)
All aboard!
Quote
Eagles QB Kolb gets some pre-snap backing from Jaworski, Baldinger
By PAUL DOMOWITCH
pdomo@aol.com
THE QUARTERBACK torch has been passed from the six-time Pro Bowler to the 25-year-old probie, and now, all eyes will turn to the little town of Bethlehem on Monday as everyone anxiously waits to find out whether the Eagles' faith in Kevin Kolb is justified or misguided.
Were Kolb's two 300-yard performances against the Saints and Chiefs early last season an indication of things to come or simply the result of what can happen when you throw the ball 85 times against two bad pass defenses? The Eagles believe it was the former. Critics of the April trade of Donovan McNabb to the Washington taterskins currently are leaning toward the latter. We will discover the truth soon enough.
For what it's worth, Ron Jaworski and Brian Baldinger agree with the Eagles. The two former players and current ESPN (Jaworski) and NFL Network (Baldinger) broadcasters are anticipating a smooth McNabb-to-Kolb transition in South Philadelphia.
"I have extremely high expectations for him and this offense,'' Baldinger said. "I think they're going to be a top-five offense in the league this year.
"What's going to be different is, you're going to see a lot more yards after the catch. I think you'll see an offense that doesn't have as many three and outs. I think there's going to be more rhythm to it. And I think, at the end of the season, people are going to say, 'Hey, you know, Andy Reid is a pretty damn good coach. I like that play-calling.' ''
When the Eagles selected Kolb with the 36th overall pick in the 2007 draft, Jaworski panned the move. He had Kolb rated no better than the eighth quarterback in the draft. Kolb ended up being the third one taken, behind only JaMarcus Russell (first by the Raiders) and Brady Quinn (22nd by the Browns).
Now, Jaworski has done a U-turn on Kolb and thinks he absolutely, positively has the right stuff to be a successful quarterback.
"I know the sampling isn't huge right now, but he's gotten much better,'' Jaworski said. "I was pretty critical of Kevin when he came out. Because I didn't see enough throws [at the University of Houston] that projected him to the NFL passing game.
"But like [the Packers'] Aaron Rodgers, he's gotten better every year he's been in the league, playing behind McNabb. Rodgers played behind [Brett] Favre. He learned the game, learned how to play the game. He practiced, he studied and he got better.
"I think Kevin falls into that same mode. And I think his arm has actually gotten stronger. He's always been accurate. The two games he started last season, I thought he was very accurate. The key to playing the quarterback position is anticipation. That comes from the comfort level he has. Understanding the offense. Understanding reading coverage. The anticipation was there.''
Kolb is a different type of quarterback than McNabb. He doesn't have McNabb's big arm. But he has better mechanics than McNabb and is more accurate. He is a rhythm passer who gets the ball out quickly and allows his receivers to gain yards after the catch.
"I really like his decision-making,'' Jaworski said. "If you go back to last year, I thought the two games he played, he made outstanding decisions. The speed with which he reads the coverage, watching him last year, he knew where to go with the football. I remember very few bad decisions.''
Baldinger also sees a different Kevin Kolb now than the one he saw 3 years ago, when the kid came out of the University of Houston.
"He looks like a man now,'' Baldinger said. "He's much bigger and stronger physically. From a mental standpoint, I think he has a complete grasp of what to do, where to go, where his outlets are. He understands protections. He knows how to prepare. And he's got good ball placement, which is what this offense is based on.''
Reid is a disciple of the West Coast offense. But the version of it he ran in the 11 seasons McNabb was his quarterback was much different than the one they used to run in San Francisco with Joe Montana and Steve Young, or the one Reid's mentor, Mike Holmgren, ran in Green Bay with Favre.
He played to McNabb's strength, which was the bazooka arm, and tried to minimize his primary weakness, which was inaccuracy.
"If you look at their offense under McNabb, it was more of a vertical passing offense,'' Jaworski said. "You can say it was, in theory, a West Coast-style offense. But I don't think it ever was. It was more of a downfield, protection-style passing game. Which, to me, was the right thing to do considering the guy you had at quarterback.
"You exploited the big arm that Donovan had. You had the potential for big plays with the long throws. But it really wasn't the West Coast offense you saw with Young and Montana. The short, quick, accurate throws. That's what you'll see with Kevin.''
McNabb ranks 22nd in career touchdowns (216), 24th in career passing yards (32,873) and third in career interception percentage (2.1). But he's no better than 45th in career completion percentage (.590). He's been over 62 percent just once in his 11 pro seasons. Kolb completed 62 of 96 passes last season for a .646 completion percentage.
"Donovan could only throw fastballs,'' Baldinger said. "He had no touch on the ball at all. This guy has all the touch. He throws a really catchable ball.
"Donovan's got a strong arm. One of the guilty pleasures of guys with strong arms is they love to show it off. Unfortunately, if you're coming across the middle and you get your head turned around late and the ball's on you like fire, you probably don't catch a lot of those balls. But if it's thrown with touch and it's on the spot, you have a good chance of catching those balls, even if you get [your head] around late on it.''
Quote from: SD on July 23, 2010, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 23, 2010, 11:26:47 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2010, 06:59:58 AM
the key to that deal would be getting first rounders that are young
POTY nominee, definitely - might be the funniest thing IGY has ever posted
Agreed and munson's idiotic retort was equally funny considering he completely missed the point (as usual)
I could have reworded it to say "McNabb + more young talent" and it would have had the same meaning. Slow your roll.
Smeags-That all depends on how much he's grown in terms of reading the D/looking off the D instead of staring down his receiver. If he's throwing a come back route to Celek over the middle and he stares at him the whole time during his 5 step drop, any LB not named Trotter should be athletic enough to jump in front of the ball. Same with comeback/out routes on the outside. McNabb was inaccurate and tended to throw fastballs at guys 10 yards away, but the upside to that was if someone was reading his eyes, his arm strength could make up for it before the defender could get to the ball (or the ball was in the dirt). Liking the article that Phan just posted though, that his arm has gotten stronger.
It's about that time of year where hopeful homersim is creeping in, and I think Kolb's gonna be decent. This year will be kind of a wash with the lack of oline and defense, and it being his first year as a starter, but I think he'll end up progressing to the point where he's at least as good as McNabb was in his prime. Only problem with that is McNabb at his best couldn't win us a SB. So either this guy needs to be a little better or the team around him does (or the coach has to change his philosophy). Hopefully his accuracy can be that big of a difference maker, but we'll all have to wait and see. But with the Phillies sucking right now I'm getting more and more hyped up for this season to get started.
Zero chance anyone's actually reading that.
You read it. Zealot.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 23, 2010, 04:09:33 PM
Zero chance anyone's actually reading that.
lmao
I got three words in, looked over again to see who this is, and then skipped to your post, ha ha.
The lack of a bolded Munron in your post makes me sad
Sorry Munron. You'll survive.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100725_How_the_Eagles_moved_on_from_McNabb.html?viewAll=y#ixzz0uhZ4f0Y1
The last part in the Inky's series, this one about the McNabb trade.
QuoteLast September, the Eagles' team charter flew back from Kansas City, from an early afternoon game against Chiefs, in time for Howie Roseman to grab dinner back home in Center City.
Then the vice president of player personnel, now the GM, Roseman had a television on in the background as he ate.
"Sunday Night Football came on - there was this graphic about Kevin Kolb, how he was the first player in NFL history to throw over 300 yards in his first two starts," Roseman said
Nice editing and writing. The game was in Phildelphia, sports writers!
(http://media.philly.com/images/20100725_inq_mcnabb25z-f.JPG)
LEADER
What should he do? Stand there buck naked? Would that show enough toughness and leadership for you?
not this
(http://img131.yfrog.com/img131/6442/1ta.gif)
who else doesn't care what dance moves their favorite team has to offer?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2010, 09:37:54 PM
not this
(http://img131.yfrog.com/img131/6442/1ta.gif)
whats funnier than that is how much it bothers the haters like you....
I mean, dance moves and unfunny jokes or...gasp, wearing a coat when its cold...the horror
actually the thing that bothers me most is that he did that to try to show how much he wasnt scared then came out and completed like three passes in the first half
if he was doing that dance after throwing for five td's it would still be beyond corny but not nearly as pathetic
The photo of McNabb was taken after he was benched in Baltimore in 2008, hence the leader comment.
He's a worm and I'm glad he's gone. Furthermore, I'm glad Kolb is taking over because he's not a p*ssy like McNabb. He's a man's man, not some faggy mama's boy from the hi-cog.
Which means a SB is guaranteed. FIERY!
munson's on your side, phreak.
think about that for a second.
:-D
funny thing about him cowering that day hiding and not supporting cobb was that it wasnt even that cold...i was at the game with a jersey over a hoodie and a skully...it was like 45 degrees and sunny....he looked like he was in siberia
Not on anyone's side. Just think the foolish reactions to shtein like a coat or a dance move is about as idiotic as it can get.
I don't care if Kevin Kolb goes out there and starts doing the choreography to Bye Bye Bye by NSync as long as he becomes at least a competent QB. If he wins a SB he can skull farg me while doing the dance.
Phreak and munson love mcnabb and hate hamels. Things that make you go hmmmmmm
I did love McNabb, though the lack of a SB was infuriating.
Where did I say I hated Hamels?
Quote from: SunMo on July 25, 2010, 10:34:10 PM
Phreak and munson love mcnabb and hate hamels. Things that make you go hmmmmmm
Hate's a pretty strong word there, Sunny. I think he's a vadge at times. I don't hate him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2010, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: SunMo on July 25, 2010, 10:34:10 PM
Phreak and munson love mcnabb and hate hamels. Things that make you go hmmmmmm
Hate's a pretty strong word there, Sunny. I think he's a vadge at times. I don't hate him.
Wait....are you talking about McNabb or Hamels?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2010, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: SunMo on July 25, 2010, 10:34:10 PM
Phreak and munson love mcnabb and hate hamels. Things that make you go hmmmmmm
Hate's a pretty strong word there, Sunny. I think he's a vadge at times. I don't hate him.
one guy was the world series mvp in 2008
the other guy lost like 18 nfc title games and puked in the superbowl
i mean i love phreak but this just confuses the hell out of me
kolb hunts rattlesnakes and wild boar with a buck knife - mcnabb hunts worms with a pigskin. a bit of irony in there.
Quote from: Rome on July 25, 2010, 09:46:22 PM
The photo of McNabb was taken after he was benched in Baltimore in 2008, hence the leader comment.
He's a worm and I'm glad he's gone. Furthermore, I'm glad Kolb is taking over because he's not a p*ssy like McNabb. He's a man's man, not some faggy mama's boy from the hi-cog.
That might be the photo from the Baltimore game but I remember him wearing a coat, or gloves, or a hoodie on the sideline has been a issue for a while. Or was an issue. Every time had a bad game and was seen on the sideline like that it was an issue. Every time he had a good game and was seen like that on the sideline...no issue. And as for supporting Kolb that game he did. I remember when Kolb walked off the field after one of his INTs McNabb walked over to him and McNabb was seen clapping.
funny, i go to most games and i have never, ever seen mcnabb sitting all mopey & alone on the sidelines when he was having a good game. ever.
I just like to remember when he was fun to watch, not an abortion of a person later in his career. When he shook Mark Carrier out of his cleats, those were the days.
yeah i cant ever remember him being mopey when things were going well...he was always cornballin it up emabarrssing himself with unfunny jokes to westbrook or rat tailing TO with a sweaty towl
donovan is going to be in my building tomorrow.
You work at a puke factory?
Lol!!
calm yourself, that was not funny
Kolb texts McNabb: "I'm better than you."
http://bit.ly/bp8GDZ
Quote from: Diomedes on July 26, 2010, 07:38:20 PM
calm yourself, that was not funny
It wasn't raucously hilarious but it was barely mildly humorous
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 27, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
Kolb texts McNabb: "I'm better than you."
http://bit.ly/bp8GDZ
That's misleading. But if he did it for real, I'd like him more.
Quote
Kolb, by the way, was very sharp during the morning practice.
Michael Vick, on the other hand, was inaccurate during 7-on-7 drills inside the red zone.
vick is worth every penny.
actually this year he might be....because mike kafkas value is approx negative one billion
well lets hope we don't have to find out either way.
On DNL now
Edit: Barkaan asked him about his arm strength and if "it's there" :splat
Look, he's probably the most accurate qb the Eagles have had since Roman Gabriel, the receivers love him for it and have absolutly no questions about his arm strength. Please retire this argument.
two threads, two Roman Gabriel references
idiots all of you
Courtesy of Todd Herremans: http://twitpic.com/29pqtf (http://twitpic.com/29pqtf)
Quote from: Munson on July 27, 2010, 05:49:55 PM
On DNL now
Edit: Barkaan asked him about his arm strength and if "it's there" :splat
what a shame you suck at russian roulette.
Wouldn't russian roullette be the one thing he's good at?
Quote from: Tomahawk on July 29, 2010, 10:24:12 AM
Wouldn't russian roullette be the one thing he's good at?
good point - FML
I play russian roulette everyday, a mans sport
With a bullet called life
Yeah mama called life
another article about how Kolb is just simply the bee's knees (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Kevin-Kolb-is-a-winner-081610)
Surprised Aikman would take an Eagle under his wing.
Kolb knows that at some point Banner will not want to pay him any more and when that happens the Cowboys will swoop in and gobble his Texas ass up.
They held on to 5 for a long time.
Who cares what aikman thinks. What does jaime dukes think about kolb ?
QuoteThere's no question Reid's one of the league's finest coaches with a respectable history of winning in the NFC East, but despite those five NFC title game appearances, the Eagles won only one, then McNabb puked in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl loss to New England. Giants coach Tom Coughlin told me McNabb did the same thing in Jacksonville in 2002 when his Jaguars beat the Eagles, but that's another story, although Coughlin still wishes Reid would have traded McNabb out of the division.
PG- NO HE DIDN'T
Flu-like symptoms!
NOODLE ARM! (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Evaluating_Kolbs_performance.html)
the throw to mack that bowen says was to his outside shoulder as if that was a good thing wasnt....if he puts it in macks gut he turns and gains another 8-10 yards...there were no defenders that close to him
and i mentioned it in the game thread when it happened but i actually liked what i saw on the avant miss because it showed his arm strength...yeah he overthrew it and missed on the score but that can be improved on....the ability to get the ball there on a line you either have or you dont
Except for the one td called back because of illegal motion, Kolb has yet to pass for a td, and the red zone offense doesn't look good at all. Offensive line play has been less than adequate. Right now it isn't looking good and this team has a lot to work on and get right before the season starts.
I understand being concerned about individual players, and even the performance of cohesive units like the OL.
But are we seriously judging the red zone offense based on a grand total of three(?) trips inside the red zone in two preseason games where 90% of the playbook is kept under wraps and the coaches are more concerned with testing out players than scoring?
Preseason is serious business.
Considering six out of nine possesions in the red zone have been passes, yes to the point that I'd liked to have seen at least one td, or at least one that wasn't called back on a penalty.
I'm hoping Kevin Kolb seriously considers changing his last name to Kobb...just so it makes most sense. I just hate saying his name and my subconscious* sending a signal to my brian reminding me that there's an 'L' in his last name.
farg the subconcious!*
*=Subject to Dio review of spelling
You face makes most sense.
Jeff Chadiha article is currently the top story on ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=5476458)
QuoteMost of his confidence comes from his obvious physical skills and his trademark determination. The rest is the result of a quality Justice witnessed on that day back in Dallas: Kolb's innate understanding of how to keep teammates focused under difficult circumstances.
It may or may not work out with Kolb, but at least he's not a bitch-ass bitch.
good article. Kolb is a natural leader from everything you've heard about him from HS forward. The more you read this shtein, you realize that Mcnabb was the ultimate bitch
lets just hope he can play as well as mcnabb
greg mcelroy is a great leader too
it's the dude that's gonna help alabama put up 50 on PSU
I know who he is. I was trying to save the big guy some steps in his fishing efforts.
he's no bill dance.
Ray Didinger: Kevin Kolb's arm strength has been a common misconception since he was drafted.
Quote from: SunMo on September 02, 2010, 12:26:55 PM
Ray Didinger: Kevin Kolb's arm strength has been a common misconception since he was drafted.
You mean... We're overestimating it? NOODLE ARM!
kevin kurtis has a better arm
The other CF must be crying foul with Kevin Curtis out of the NFL.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 02, 2010, 01:26:31 PM
kevin kurtis has a better arm
So does Kyle Maynard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvFtscPRgKg).
I stopped watching when they showed him holding a pen. Looked like he was holding it with his scrote.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 02, 2010, 01:32:33 PM
The other CF must be crying foul with Kevin Curtis out of the NFL.
QuoteIts amazing how one google search "Kevin Curtis white wide receiver" led me to this site and has completely changed my perspective on American sports. A little advice to any lurkers, take the time to at least digest the vast amount of information and evidence provided here. We are not all "racists" that want all white teams. We just want to see white athletes given a fair chance to compete
Does it get any better than that?
While Obama was a candidate, a guy I was working with said he could never vote for a black man.
"So you're racist?" I said.
"No. I'm prejudiced. There's a difference." He replied
I had nothing for that and let it go.
who the hell outside of middle america admits that to a coworker
especially to a whiny liberal hipster
I don't know what these people are gonna do in forty or fifty years when half the country looks Filipino.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 02, 2010, 04:31:36 PM
who the hell outside of middle america admits that to a coworker
especially to a whiny liberal hipster
a guy digging ditches, who could care less what hipsters from NY think
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 02, 2010, 04:31:36 PMwho the hell outside of middle america admits that to a coworker
work construction, you meet 'em by the truck full
not all of course, but pushing half? easily
this cat was baltimore born and bred, vietnam vet (marines), former teamster
another guy who was on one job with me, an eastern shore boy, about 40 years old with a houseful of kids "all by the same woman," he told me without being asked...anyway....when he was a kid, he and some pals would get in the truck and run down to one of the local black neighborhoods 'Sweeping.' The object was "to smack a stillupfront with the broom" as the truck drove by. It got interesting if you dropped the broom: they stopped the truck and you had to run get it back.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 02, 2010, 04:32:34 PM
I don't know what these people are gonna do in forty or fifty years when half the country looks Filipino.
that's exactly why they are freaking out so much right now: they've seen the future and it is not run by them anymore
It was never run by them, but yeah.
ha, i've heard of "sweeping" a guy i did irrigation with would do that in Wilmington and they did it to bicyclist.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 02, 2010, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 02, 2010, 04:31:36 PMwho the hell outside of middle america admits that to a coworker
work construction, you meet 'em by the truck full
not all of course, but pushing half? easily
this cat was baltimore born and bred, vietnam vet (marines), former teamster
another guy who was on one job with me, an eastern shore boy, about 40 years old with a houseful of kids "all by the same woman," he told me without being asked...anyway....when he was a kid, he and some pals would get in the truck and run down to one of the local black neighborhoods 'Sweeping.' The object was "to smack a stillupfront with the broom" as the truck drove by. It got interesting if you dropped the broom: they stopped the truck and you had to run get it back.
Very common in the trades and it is amazing how many guys will readily admit it. I usually don't say anything because you are not going to change their opinion.
the porta potties in the southern jobsites are all racism and bigotry. up in the north jersey and new york it's all pro-union anti-scab shtein. i always found that interesting.
judging by the graffiti i've seen, the trades guys definitely don't like the mexican workers here. they do seem to enjoy the mexican ladies, or at least, specific parts of them, however.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 02, 2010, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 02, 2010, 04:31:36 PMwho the hell outside of middle america admits that to a coworker
work construction, you meet 'em by the truck full
not all of course, but pushing half? easily
this cat was baltimore born and bred, vietnam vet (marines), former teamster
another guy who was on one job with me, an eastern shore boy, about 40 years old with a houseful of kids "all by the same woman," he told me without being asked...anyway....when he was a kid, he and some pals would get in the truck and run down to one of the local black neighborhoods 'Sweeping.' The object was "to smack a stillupfront with the broom" as the truck drove by. It got interesting if you dropped the broom: they stopped the truck and you had to run get it back.
whats most amazing about ignorants is that other than hollywood and all the gays in nyc they cant fathom anyone not thinking like them
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2010, 11:22:19 AM
whats most amazing about ignorants is that other than hollywood and all the gays in nyc they cant fathom anyone not thinking like them
Wow.
Part 3 of McLane's 5-part johnson on Kolb (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100907_Eagles__Kolb_had_to_show_patience_sitting_behind_McNabb.html)
I like that the pic is of Antwan Barnes crushing Kolb.
http://www.csnphilly.com/09/13/10/bDidingerb-Reid-Must-Stick-With-Kolb/landing_eagles.html?blockID=310121&feedID=704 (http://www.csnphilly.com/09/13/10/bDidingerb-Reid-Must-Stick-With-Kolb/landing_eagles.html?blockID=310121&feedID=704)
Diddy
Reid has no choice but to sink or swim with Kolb. If he gives up on Kolb he might not see the end of his ill-advised extension. Lurie's a clown but even he couldn't dismiss that bad of a hack job by Reid.
Read this, you'll gain some perspective and sanity (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100914_Phil_Sheridan__Despite_what_Reid_says__Kolb_doesn_t_look_like_The_Guy.html)
Vick isn't the future of this team, or any team. He's a short term fix, which isn't what the Eagles need. Kold needs to start and play. Then we'll end up finding out if he's a bust or not. But theres no way he should be judged on a quarter and a half of football against what is supposed to be one of if the best if not the best team in the NFC.
Anyone expecting the Eagles to win anything this year is drinking too much kool aid. The playoffs will be a gift if it happens.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
This article will make J's head explode. And not in the hott way. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/102934589.html)
this is why i said months ago vick is not the kind of guy who should be backing up cobb...it should have been a non descript old ass veteran
then who's going to run the wildcat?
Quote from: reese125 on September 16, 2010, 11:55:53 AM
then who's going to run the wildcat?
hopefully not the eagles
What's really going to be funny is after Vick has another good game on Sunday the controversy will be full blown. How can he pull him? And when he reinserts Kolb and if he struggles...here comes the boos.
how can't vick not have a good game against the lions ? you or i could play qb for the eagles and do well against detroit.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 16, 2010, 01:48:12 PM
What's really going to be funny is after Vick has another good game on Sunday the controversy will be full blown. How can he pull him? And when he reinserts Kolb and if he struggles...here comes the boos.
The good news is that Kolb won't mention getting booed 5, 10, 15 years from now... even if it's the whole stadium booing him and not just a few drunk iceholes showing up at the draft.
i doubt his mother will blog about it either
nope, he'll just go kill another wild boar with a buck knife.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 16, 2010, 02:04:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 16, 2010, 01:48:12 PM
What's really going to be funny is after Vick has another good game on Sunday the controversy will be full blown. How can he pull him? And when he reinserts Kolb and if he struggles...here comes the boos.
The good news is that Kolb won't mention getting booed 5, 10, 15 years from now... even if it's the whole stadium booing him and not just a few drunk iceholes showing up at the draft.
And thats truly what really matters.
Yup. farg it, as long as he isnt' talking about getting booed when asked about it 10 years from now, that's all that matters to me.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 16, 2010, 11:43:45 AM
this is why i said months ago vick is not the kind of guy who should be backing up cobb...it should have been a non descript old ass veteran
Mosley agrees (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/18436/has-andy-reid-undermined-kevin-kolb)
So basically have an old ass vet to come in when the starter goes down so they have no chance of winning the game? All so there is not a qb controversary? Ha.
The majority of NFL teams crave the opportunity to have a legit backup because the majority have garbage as backups. No matter what we think, the goal in the NFL is to win games not to appease the media and Kevin Kolb.
Well, I know for a fact that I am desirous of a white quarterback finally finding some success in this league.
PK is pretty much the only position where da white man still has a stronghold.
It's not because Vick is good. It's because he is high-profile and the type of player who comes in on "special" packages.
The NFL loves white long snappers.
Quote from: reese125 on September 16, 2010, 04:45:57 PM
So basically have an old ass vet to come in when the starter goes down so they have no chance of winning the game? All so there is not a qb controversary? Ha.
The majority of NFL teams crave the opportunity to have a legit backup because the majority have garbage as backups. No matter what we think, the goal in the NFL is to win games not to appease the media and Kevin Kolb.
no the name of the game is not always to win in the nfl....if that were true donovan would be the qb this year...shtein vick would have started the year at qb not cobb
also vick is not a very good qb...theres plenty of people who could back up cobb and run this offense better than vick
its amazing how vick comes in for one half has a couple nice runs and people forget they ever watched him try to play qb in this league
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 16, 2010, 04:58:43 PM
It's not because Vick is good. It's because he is high-profile and the type of player who comes in on "special" packages.
its also because he lost a billion dollars and is trying to get a starting gig at all costs...hes desparate.....he would stab cobb in the throat if he thought it would get him the starting job....that isnt what a first year starter needs....he needs doug pederson
He wouldn't stab him in the throat. He would give him herpes, then electrocute him.
i think vick is ideally suited to run the eagles offense especially considering the nearly non-existent offensive line they're trotting out there right now.
I'll support Vick solely because I'm sure the other CF is utterly horrified by him
he's a fleshpop, but whatever. lots of dicks out there. quite a few on the team, I imagine.
But really. He's a fleshpop. Dumb. Not a good qb.
GO VICK
Quote from: Rome on September 16, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
i think vick is ideally suited to run the eagles offense especially considering the nearly non-existent offensive line they're trotting out there right now.
sad but true.
war mike mcglinn !
Someone please get the audio of the SportsCentury spoof on Mike & Mike this morning. That was hilarious shtein.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2010, 08:21:12 AM
Someone please get the audio of the SportsCentury spoof on Mike & Mike this morning. That was hilarious shtein.
I can get it tomorrow when I intern
Thanks. They played it right before they had Mike Miss on as a guest.
La Canfora: Kolb is handing this ok (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81abdf4b/article/kolb-disappointed-but-optimistic-about-future-with-eagles?module=HP_headlines)
He probably knows Vick is going to get killed, either by an opposing defense or by an animal rights activist.
per the cuz
several teams led by heckert and the browns immediately called the eagles after the announcment last night to guage the availability of cobb...all teams were told he is not being traded
"Several" teams, eh? Browns, I could see... Not sure who else would put out the bat signal for Kolbsy right now.
And of course they don't want to trade him. His value will be the same in the off-season as it is now if Vick starts all year, and trading him now would leave them with Kafka one big hit away from #1 on the depth chart. YIKES.
Jeff Garcia will be available in a couple weeks.
I think media talk of a Cobb trade is misdirection. Now if vick has a couple good efforts, why not trade him? If team waits till end of season, and then no season next year, Eagles are stuck with bupkis for his ass. So turning the question around, how would it be to trade Vick? Around here it sure sounds like "no great loss" and he "sucks at qb", so why not see if you can get something significant for him now assuming he doesn't shtein the bed this weekend?
Talk about andy's and FO pride - I'd say their biggest fear is getting pointed and laffed at bc of all they spent on vick only to get nothing in return. And that's what happens if they wait and he rides pine and gets stale. Big part of game theory is exit strategies and this is their best shot to get something out of nothing. Right now. cobbsy can wait and fans be damned
yes because we all know how much the nerd standard and andy value the opinions of the fans and media.
Quote from: JackStraw on September 22, 2010, 12:18:19 PM
cobbsy can wait and fans be damned
Your point made some sense until this. Most fans wanted Vick to start, and even many who didn't recognize that the team will be more entertaining.
Annointing vick the starter from here out pretty makes this season completely useless unless they win it all.
edit...
actually the more i think about this is about anticipating no season next year and then coming back in 2012 with someone totally different. Kolb is just too old to be a rookie learning a system. by the time 2012 rolls around he's 28 years old.
Quote from: JackStraw on September 22, 2010, 12:18:19 PM
Talk about andy's and FO pride - I'd say their biggest fear is getting pointed and laffed at bc of all they spent on vick only to get nothing in return.
i dont think this is a factor or else they wouldnt have sat cobb
after all they spent far more on cobb...not just in dollars but also in trading a first rounder for him
with vick they gave up nothing and already can say their reclamation of him has been successful....imo if anyone in this equation is a save FO pride guy its cobb
2010 $5.2mm option pick-up and $1.5mm roster bonus plus whatever they paid him last year? I also think they put some of their self-perceived "credibility" or "deal smarts" on the line which may even account for more in the pride area than the cash they've spent on him...
so again you think the money is the issue ? when as pointed out they are paying kolb much, much more ?
12.5 mil to cobb over two years
tons of criticism over making him their first pick in 07
anthony spencer on dallas
trading mcnabb in division
not to mention the stakes being much higher for cobb...he is supposed to be the future of the franchise....vick is a success if they simply keep him out of jail
So, this JackStraw guy.... mentally challenged? Is it insensitive to be making fun of him?
Isn't that what we do best? Fair game.
Rotoworld
Quote
Kolb
At his Tuesday press conference, Eagles coach Andy Reid refused to rule out a Kevin Kolb trade prior to the October NFL trade deadline.
Reid reemphasized that Kolb has "a bright future," but the Eagles are perhaps the most aggressive team in the league, having become even more so since GM Howie Roseman took over this offseason. We have to believe they'll listen to any trade proposals. The Browns were reported to have strong interest in Kolb during draft weekend, and there is plenty of quarterback uncertainty throughout the league. The Eagles will definitely get offers. Sep. 22 - 12:47 pm et
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer
Damn, if they trade Kolb without any backup Howie is out of control.
in a couple minutes wip will be playing reids presser in full....they are teasing it by saying the media really got after him
i guess half the questions werent asked by spadaro and eskin this time
my point was they did spend significant time and money on vick and that his trade value - assuming good play the next few weeks, will never be worth more than it is now. And if he eventually goes later for nothing, then yes, it is a failed experiment. Wasn't the whole deal to "bring him back" as an undervalued asset then flip him like they did with other QB prospects?
regardless i do think vick doesn't last for anywhere near the entire season and trading him before the deadline brings best value. What value would cobb have given his performance since august (yeah yeah I know the standard o-line defense of him) and now probably a glass jaw on top of it?
the likely scenario is they both muddle through a mediocre-to-poor season of alternating games of suck. all this shtein about whose "named" the starter is immaterial
i agree with all that
all im saying is in terms of saving face its much more important to the eagles for cobb to be their future qb than to get a draft pick for vick
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2010, 01:14:03 PM
in a couple minutes wip will be playing reids presser in full....they are teasing it by saying the media really got after him
i guess half the questions werent asked by spadaro and eskin this time
They hardly 'got after him' at all. It was the same old crap that we're used too. He emphasized and reemphasized over and over again that this had nothing to do with Kolb's play but rather with Vick playing on a high level. That's really the highlight of the presser in a nutshell.
It's true though that he wouldn't rule out trading Kolb, he just said "I want Kevin Kolb on this team." He also said he talked with one guy and one guy only before making the decision (Howie presumably).
whether he actually answered the questions or not i actually thought it was one of the hardest hitting pressers of his tenure...even eskin was smacking him around...for once the philly media didnt go soft on andy
i didnt listen but i have to imagine im tougher on the high school football coaches i cover
and im not tough on them cause its high school football and theyre coaching 5'3 mexican kids
I't may not seem like much right now, but I think they smell blood in the water big time and all the pent-up anger accumulated from years of being on the receiving end of smug, controlling, patronizing reid-isms are about to get released. Even in the articles now its more about disrobing reid the emperor than it is the worthiness of the vick decision
they cant wait to tie reid to two horses going opposite directions....
^^
this is true
even hoffman didnt felaciate him today
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2010, 01:58:57 PM
^^
this is true
even hoffman didnt felaciate him today
He sure didn't. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100922_Rich_Hofmann__Quarterback_move_puts_Reid_on_the_hot_seat.html)
Quote from: JackStraw on September 22, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
I't may not seem like much right now, but I think they smell blood in the water big time and all the pent-up anger accumulated from years of being on the receiving end of smug, controlling, patronizing reid-isms are about to get released. Even in the articles now its more about disrobing reid the emperor than it is the worthiness of the vick decision
they cant wait to tie reid to two horses going opposite directions....
You're right, after 11 years they've finally had enough and are pulling out the big guns. <pg>None of the articles are any more or less harsh than usual. You guys getting this stuff from WIP?...I'm just assuming.
I didn't think it was possible, but in less than 24 hours I am already bored by this whole thing.
I blame all of you.
I blame your ADD
no it's the HGH
PROTEIN!
Baby batter.
explains his crusade for gay rights.
Quote from: charlie on September 22, 2010, 12:38:40 PM
Annointing vick the starter from here out pretty makes this season completely useless unless they win it all.
edit...
actually the more i think about this is about anticipating no season next year and then coming back in 2012 with someone totally different. Kolb is just too old to be a rookie learning a system. by the time 2012 rolls around he's 28 years old.
Not really. If Vick is re-signed for 4 or 5 years then it is the same thing as going with Kolb. New QB of the future. He may not be quite as young as Kolb, but two of those years were spent in prison not taking NFL hits, and if he proves he can play then he should have a lot left.
Until they trade him to the skins to replace McNabb in 2013?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2010, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2010, 01:58:57 PM
^^
this is true
even hoffman didnt felaciate him today
He sure didn't. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100922_Rich_Hofmann__Quarterback_move_puts_Reid_on_the_hot_seat.html)
Whatever the Eagles record is at seasons end, if Reid gets canned, the season was a success
18-1. Reid retires. You still happy?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2010, 04:55:59 PM
18-1. Reid retires. You still happy?
depends if that loss was the last game of the season.
Since we are already 1-1 that would be impossible.
You just got schooled by Cole. Feel good about yourself now?
Yeah, not good sean_sec. Not good at all.
yay, Cole wins the retard fight
We?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2010, 04:55:59 PM
18-1. Reid retires. You still happy?
Only if it rains hot lesbians during the Super Bowl
shut up, douches
QuoteWith Vick, who did Philly beat? That's right.. Detroit.. Who does Philly play this week? Blacksonville..
Is it possible that Kolb could defeat Blacksonville?
I don't get it. Is Blacksonville Brownsville's sister city or something?
i think todd's quoting from the affirmative action cf again.
Quote from: JackStraw on September 22, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
they cant wait to tie reid to two horses going opposite directions....
nice
Quote from: reese125 on September 22, 2010, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: JackStraw on September 22, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
they cant wait to tie reid to two horses going opposite directions....
nice
Not really. PETA will be complaining about unfair treatment of the horses.....and rightfully so. Need to get at least 2 or 3 going in each direction for the fat man.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 22, 2010, 08:21:12 AM
Someone please get the audio of the SportsCentury spoof on Mike & Mike this morning. That was hilarious shtein.
I saved this to my email, I just have to figure out how to transfer it to a link. Otherwise I can email it to you.
TWENTY-FOUR yards.
Good stuff.
Also, this is awesome for MA haters:
QuoteCopeland, the son of Kolb's head high school coach, Mike Copeland, said that the news of Kolb's demotion had further deflated the football-obsessed town of Stephenville.
"Our [high school] team is 1-3, the Cowboys are 0-2," he said, "and Kevin just got benched. It's been a rough last few days."
from McLane's article (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/homepage/103602304.html)
My buddy at work has a theory. I think he got it here:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/470070-vick-over-kolb-decision-by-reid-and-eagles-may-not-be-what-it-seems (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/470070-vick-over-kolb-decision-by-reid-and-eagles-may-not-be-what-it-seems) It's retarded, but he won't shut up about it. It goes like this:
1. Reid is still 100% behind Kolb and he and Howie have concocted a scheme to pump up Vick's trade value.
2. They weren't going to start Kolb against the Jags anyway b/c of the concussion, and since Vick has played well they wanted to make other teams believe that the Eagles are going all in with Vick. So they came up with this plan sometime Monday nite, which explains Reids inexplicable change of heart on Kolb.
3. They plan to use all the hype surrounding the move and hopefully another good performance by Vick against a zesty team to drive Vick's trade value higher.
4. Vick will be traded within 2 weeks for a 2nd round pick or higher.
5. Kolb is in on the plan and supports it b/c it will help the team in the long run(with a draft pick) and he can get some rest from the concussion.
6. Reid is like Keyser Soze, and is pulling a fast one on us all.
:-D :-D
Nothing would surprise me at this point in the QB situation, short of a trade with the skins for McNabb.
GET MCNABB!!!!
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
I feel like this is a set up for me. Why can't we have both? With reid why does it have to be one or the other. For example having a good offensive line apparently means no skill position players and vice versa. I'm loving nate allen so far but why couldn't they have selected him anyway? Especially if they are no longer rebuilding but rather going for as much as they can this year. BACK ME UP J!
Well, it would be kind of hard to select a guy with someone else's pick. Are you saying that they should have drafted Allen with their original pick in the 1st and not traded up to get Graham? Either way your idiotic hedge is no surprise.
Man up and go on the record. Would you "undo" the deal and give Allen and the 2012 3rd (looking like McNabb will trigger it to a 3rd) for Donnie Mac?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
Not only no but hell no
My gut feeling tells me Vick is going to have a better year than Donovan...assuming either of them make it through the season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Well, it would be kind of hard to select a guy with someone else's pick. Are you saying that they should have drafted Allen with their original pick in the 1st and not traded up to get Graham? Either way your idiotic hedge is no surprise.
Man up and go on the record. Would you "undo" the deal and give Allen and the 2012 3rd (looking like McNabb will trigger it to a 3rd) for Donnie Mac?
I thought it was a given I said yes? I don't shy away from admitting I wish he wasnt traded. As much as I like Allen, he hasn't proven or become Dawkins yet. And I meant if they really liked Allen,they could have kept McNabb and still found a way to draft him. Move up if you have to.
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2010, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
Not only no but hell no
My gut feeling tells me Vick is going to have a better year than Donovan...assuming either of them make it through the season.
what, in rushing yards ?
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2010, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
Not only no but hell no
My gut feeling tells me Vick is going to have a better year than Donovan...assuming either of them make it through the season.
Agreed....I was sick of McNabb after the Cardinals game after his interview with GQ I have come to loathe him. He is a pampered bitch.
Quote from: smeags on September 24, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2010, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
Not only no but hell no
My gut feeling tells me Vick is going to have a better year than Donovan...assuming either of them make it through the season.
what, in rushing yards ?
Overall quality of play. I don't think Vick will put up as many yards passing but I think he's going to get some MVP talk at some point.
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
Quote from: smeags on September 24, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2010, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
Not only no but hell no
My gut feeling tells me Vick is going to have a better year than Donovan...assuming either of them make it through the season.
what, in rushing yards ?
Overall quality of play. I don't think Vick will put up as many yards passing but I think he's going to get some MVP talk at some point.
:paranoid :-D
Quote from: joneszilla on September 24, 2010, 10:18:52 AM4. Vick will be traded within 2 weeks for a 2nd round pick or higher.
bwahaaha
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
McNabb has one TD
Nate has two INT
I'm happy with Nate
The bigger question is who will end up on IR first, McNabb or Vick? I'll go with Vick.
BTW, Nate early front runner for DROY?
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2010, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
Not only no but hell no
My gut feeling tells me Vick is going to have a better year than Donovan...assuming either of them make it through the season.
But will Vick be this funny???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNh1ejZ3kX0&feature=related
You're not making friends throwing that crap in our faces. Post some t&a quickly to recover.
Quote from: Eagaholic on September 25, 2010, 01:07:07 AM
The bigger question is who will end up on IR first, McNabb or Vick? I'll go with Vick.
could be a photo finish
Quote from: phillymic2000 on September 24, 2010, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
Quote from: smeags on September 24, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
Quote from: SD on September 24, 2010, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 24, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
FUN FRIDAY DISCUSSION TIME:
Would you trade Nate Allen and the same conditional pick next year for McNabb at this point?
Not only no but hell no
My gut feeling tells me Vick is going to have a better year than Donovan...assuming either of them make it through the season.
what, in rushing yards ?
Overall quality of play. I don't think Vick will put up as many yards passing but I think he's going to get some MVP talk at some point.
:paranoid :-D
Who's laughing now?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/09/26/Week3/1.html
Quote1. Michael Vick, QB, Philadelphia. Seriously. Eagles have outscored foes 80-49 in Vick's 10 quarters of play, he's thrown six touchdowns and no interceptions, and he's still the most dangerous running threat at the position.
QBs put up gawdy stats against shtein teams, which is what Vick is doing. He's an exciting player, those are the types that get MVP consideration. At this point in the season is there a more valuable player to their team than Vick is to the Eagles? They may have beaten GB (a legit SB contender) if he starts and probably lose to the Lions if Kolbs in.
actually there is...Brees, Brady, Manning
if any of those 3 go down, the team goes down.
Agree, especially on Brady, mostly because that team is not winning shtein with defense.
Quote1. Michael Vick, QB, Philadelphia. Seriously. Eagles have outscored foes 80-49 in Vick's 10 quarters of play, he's thrown six touchdowns and no interceptions, and he's still the most dangerous running threat at the position.
wonder if mcnabbs gonna run this game? will wilma fire him up?
Quote from: reese125 on September 27, 2010, 11:56:42 AM
actually there is...Brees, Brady, Manning
if any of those 3 go down, the team goes down.
All 3 of those players would have been injured week 1 or week 2 behind the Eagles O-line.
So, you're comparing them all to Kolb? That's racist.
sometimes all we need is a little perspective
QuoteThere is one reason Vick is the starter: the blacks on the team run the team and they want Vick. If Vick doesn't start, they will start missing blocks, running lazy routes and dropping balls.
WTF? Where is that from?
I think its safe to say, by that logic, the players really want Kafka to start.
Kafka's Motorbike?
Yeah, that's the other CF.
the other cf is actually much better than this cf and im not even sure its open for debate
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2010, 05:15:16 PM
the other cf is actually much better more amusing than this cf and im not even sure its open for debate
anyone think cobb could afford to fixed his disgusting jacked up teeth
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2010, 08:01:04 AM
anyone think cobb could afford to fixed his disgusting jacked up teeth
not sure about fixed but he should have the coin to fix them.
He should have the time to do it too.
in the highlights after the 1st Maclin td, you could see Kolb with his hands on his head. I'm pretty sure he was saying "Oh shtein, I'm never going to play again"
He was told fake sportsmanship will earn you long term contracts in the NFL.
I think after the 3rd td he acted like he was talking to Kafka and never saw it. Or if he did he was asking Kafka if he's ever been to Buffalo.
Kolb who? :-D
Quote from: mussa on September 28, 2010, 12:36:47 PM
Kolb who? :-D
The guy who is going to QB the Eagles when the O line gets Vick killed.
I thought you were QB of the Eagles?
Bodog has the O/U for the number of times Kolb will be shown on the sideline at 3.5:
"must be a direct shot of Kevin Kolb, not in the background"
one's gotta take the over on that...One with his hat over his heart during pre-game, one after the first eagle TD or INT, one interacting with vick looking at screen shots - shtein and that's all by the first possession...
you gotta figure the mcnabb/vick/kolb splitscreen is coming at some point too
anyone ever seen reid in a splitscreen?
there was a picture of cobb after every touchdown last week and mcnabb wasnt even playing in the game
I should have put more than a 5er on that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 01, 2010, 11:15:00 PM
there was a picture of cobb after every touchdown last week and mcnabb wasnt even playing in the game
Thinking the same thing...
Super. Bowl.
Dude looks like a deer in the headlights every time he is in the game.
Like Aikman said "...can't see the field and can't pull the trigger"
When did anybody on this board say they were going to the SB with him this year?
I honestly never thought he would be a guy that would constantly check down. That being said they did move the ball a little, but killed themselves with penalties and a fumble.
He's atrocious. he might not even be good backup material, he's really THAT bad.
What were the longest passes completed in the 2nd half?
By who?
You're saying kolb's were? I don't care. The Skins had the lead, did they need to throw long passes? I'm not quite getting what you're after here.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 03, 2010, 08:44:25 PM
He's atrocious. he might not even be good backup material, he's really THAT bad.
Yeah he has played enough football for you to know that.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 03, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
By who?
You're saying kolb's were? I don't care. The Skins had the lead, did they need to throw long passes? I'm not quite getting what you're after here.
I'm saying that if your biggest complaint was that he didn't stretch the field, neither did McNabb. So, you might just be rushing to judgment a wee bit.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 03, 2010, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 03, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
By who?
You're saying kolb's were? I don't care. The Skins had the lead, did they need to throw long passes? I'm not quite getting what you're after here.
I'm saying that if your biggest complaint was that he didn't stretch the field, neither did McNabb. So, you might just be rushing to judgment a wee bit.
She made her judgment before the season started.
Kolb looks terrible. Period.
Footsteps Falco.
hey PG, isn't it neat when a game and a half validates you previously uneducated opinion?
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on October 03, 2010, 08:58:30 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 03, 2010, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 03, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
By who?
You're saying kolb's were? I don't care. The Skins had the lead, did they need to throw long passes? I'm not quite getting what you're after here.
I'm saying that if your biggest complaint was that he didn't stretch the field, neither did McNabb. So, you might just be rushing to judgment a wee bit.
She made her judgment before the season started.
Are you for real with this? About 450 times I stated that I hoped I was wrong. I hoped he was going to be so good and WAS the next Tom Brady...or even something resembling a QB with accuracy and a good feel/read of the field.
I didn't think it was the case, but omg, I so wanted it to be.
Quote from: SunMo on October 03, 2010, 09:04:41 PM
hey PG, isn't it neat when a game and a half validates you previously uneducated opinion?
OK, so after the preseason, it was "its just the preseason, it means nothing"
Then after he got hurt after 1.5 quarters, it was "Its not enough indication to see how good he is only playing 1.5 quarters"
Now he comes in..plays exactly the same piss poor football (and I'm being generous calling it football here) and its "isn't it neat when he only plays a game and a half?"
:-D :boom
He still has yet to play and entire game from start to finish. He if he sucks then, there's no more excuses. If every team gave a guy a couple of games to audition, tons of good-to-great QBs, RBs, DEs, etc., would have been cut before ever making an impact. Do I think Kolb can be great? Not likely. Do I think there is enough out there on the guy to say 100% he sucks? Not nearly.
This season was a wash anyway. Realize that and you'll stop catching feelings and getting so pissed. This team is still unbelievably young and extremely talented in key spots. Vick wasn't going to win them a Super Bowl anyway. Find out if we need to draft a QB or if there is something that can be developed. You can't just kick dude to the curb.
Every QB that has ever played this game has had to go through growing pains on the field. He hasn't even had one full season under his belt. When he had time to throw he played decent.
If you don't think he's going to be great, and just average, why would you keep him around?
The only teams that have won SB's with guys like that at QB have been teams with two things the Eagles will never have under Andy Reid....an (often used) dominating run game, and a stifling, dominating defense.
If Kolb's going to be too scared to pull the trigger, he's never going to be "the guy" that can get them there. He was slightly below average today, and was two dropped INT's from being completely horrendous. I want to believe, but I don't believe that a weeks worth of preparation will take the scare out him and the dance out of his feet. Luckily he gets the hapless 49ers, so maybe he can settle down a little bit, make some quick decisions, and make the throws downfield.
Drunk-the oline was not great today, but Kolb certainly had time to throw.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 03, 2010, 09:20:47 PM
Every QB that has ever played this game has had to go through growing pains on the field. He hasn't even had one full season under his belt. When he had time to throw he played decent.
67.5 QB rating
11-15 TD-INT ratio
72.2 QB rating
19-21 TD-INT ratio
Those are the stats of Drew Brees and Brett Favre, their for
second full seasons as starters in the NFL.
Anyone remember DMac's 1999 stats? They were ugly as hell. Didn't surpass a QB rating of 61 until his 8th game. I think Kolb has already done that about 5 times. The next year McNabb was the MVP runner-up.
The point isn't that Kolb is Brees, Favre, or McNabb. The point is sometimes it takes a while to see what you have, because for most quarterbacks, it takes starting quite a few games before they get a handle on how to play in the NFL. And practice and sitting on the bench for years is not playing in the NFL.
Once you wrap your head around the fact that the Eagles aren't going to win the Super Bowl this season, I don't see why letting Kolb get some experience under his belt is so horrible. It's the silver lining of this Vick injury... I'd much rather have a developmental QB out there than some average veteran waiver wire pickup whose ceiling is already well documented. Why is everyone so eager to run him out of town?
They are eager to run him out of town because they never liked him from the jump. He may suck, but give him a damn chance.
and lol at Kevin Kolb having better stats in 3 quarters than McNabb had in the entire game, but Donovan is the bestest and Kolb sucks.
kolb looked like a rookie qb out there
funny, i figured he would step in and be joe montana
Was at the game. Considering the situation and the idiotic play calling, he played well. He made mistakes but he also drove them down the field. Team did look like they really missed Vick, but Kolb did not play as bad as he did against GB. That said he does not really exude any confidence or sense of being the future. Still needs to play 6-8 games before you can truly judge him. Depending on Vick's injury he will get his chance I guess.
I'd expect Kolb to be doing better than he is, because he's not a rookie, he's not been thrown to the wolves, he does know the system. All the same, I'm not even close to giving up on him.
He's blind. Don't know if you can teach or aquire sight for the field. With Kolb at qb Pimp might not ever catch another pass.
I don't think he's blind, I think he's shortsighted. I hope that with real game experience, and post game analysis of his performance, he can improve his awareness of what's going on downfield.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 04, 2010, 06:48:00 AM
I'd expect Kolb to be doing better than he is, because he's not a rookie, he's not been thrown to the wolves, he does know the system. All the same, I'm not even close to giving up on him.
I'm not ready to give up on him, but I don't want to give him Alex Smith time either
i think he was extra gun shy after GB about throwing into coverage. he probably got an earful from Marty after GB about some of his throws and he took the safe checkdown each time. he has to find that happy medium and that comes from experience and playing the game.
Hofmann: "Let's give Kolb a little credit" (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20101004_Rich_Hofmann__Let_s_give_Kolb_a_little_credit.html)
P.S. I agree - Vick starts again when healthy.
I just want the guy to throw a pass for more than 5 yards. Please.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 03, 2010, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 03, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
By who?
You're saying kolb's were? I don't care. The Skins had the lead, did they need to throw long passes? I'm not quite getting what you're after here.
I'm saying that if your biggest complaint was that he didn't stretch the field, neither did McNabb. So, you might just be rushing to judgment a wee bit.
Rushing to judgement never happens. Really? I mean REALLY? I mean SERRIOUSLY REALLY?
It's one thing to look at his performance and question whether or not he can be a great QB. It's another thing to fly off the handle about how awful he was. He made no big mistakes, kept moving the chains, and got the winning touchdown in the "best hands on the team" on the final play. How much more can you expect from the guy in this circumstance?
I mean... I would gouge my eyes out if he played like that week after week, because it was boring as all hell... but he did nothing to prove to me one way or another that he's going to be great/awful. Anyone who says otherwise is just determined to be right regardless of evidence.
Kolb was very unimpressive yesterday. He looked overwhelmed at times and seemed scared to pull the trigger on anything over 5 yards. That said, he played well enough to win a zesty game. Going in to the year, pre-Vick, I expected to see a smart QB with very little game experience under his belt have some really good games and some really bad games on a young team which would not make the playoffs. So far we've only seen the bad games; but he was better than the GB game. Hopefully we see improvement next week, on the road, with a little less pressure and better playing conditions.
Well, I wouldn't say that there will be any less pressure, but at least he'll likely know all week that he's starting. The Niners are in complete desperation mode and I already have a bad feeling that we'll be seeing Kafka at some point on Sunday night.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 04, 2010, 02:06:08 PM
Well, I wouldn't say that there will be any less pressure, but at least he'll likely know all week that he's starting. The Niners are in complete desperation mode and I already have a bad feeling that we'll be seeing Kafka at some point on Sunday night.
More pressure - Playing in front of your home crowd with McNabb on the other sidelines and you are already down a couple of TD's and the wind is blowing pretty good.
Less Pressure - Playing on the road against an 0-4 team.
Anyway, you think we see Kafka b/c Kolb gets hurt or plays like a sissy boy?
Wind will be blowing in San Fran (as it always is), but I think Kolb will get hurt.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 04, 2010, 02:17:51 PM
Wind will be blowing in San Fran (as it always is),
So. I imagine the score will be 0-0 when the game starts, and he can dink and dunk his way to the promised land. The point was if you're down a few TD's to start there is more pressure to throw downfield and force something and it can be hard if the wind is blowing a lot.
Do you really think there is more pressure playing in SF? Methinks you just like to argue for the sake of arguing.
I'm just saying that the Eagles are dead to rights if they lose to a winless team and that he won't have the early deficit to blame if they lose, so there is plenty of pressure on Kolb to get shtein done.
Kolb is going to get injured sooner or later with this online. This team isn't beating anyone if they play like they did yesterday.
Did we watch the same game? He had plenty of time in the second half.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 04, 2010, 02:41:02 PM
Did we watch the same game? He had plenty of time in the second half.
What do you mean 'we' white man?
I am borrowing this from D-Shiznit on the EMB:
http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m552/Chalice555/45.jpg
Wow.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d81b19019/Playbook-Kevin-Kolb-s-missed-opportunities
I am speechless.
Anyone got anything to dispute?
Even Kolb knows he doesn't have the arm to put it in those windows in time :P
Give the guy a break, he needs a season or 2 to figure it all out. ^-^
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 05, 2010, 11:07:09 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d81b19019/Playbook-Kevin-Kolb-s-missed-opportunities
I am speechless.
Anyone got anything to dispute?
Learning process of a young QB. What you Kolb haters (you, munson, pg) don't seem to realize that the rest of us do is that we were willing to take a step BACKWARDS with him hoping he develops <-----(key word) into a good QB. Even his biggest supporters knew he needed some playing time. Comparing him to McNabb (see Sterling Sharpe's comment) whose played 100+ more games than he has is retarded. They weren't getting it done with Mcnabb, plain and simple. Why stick with the bum when you have a young guy who has some skill? The only way an inexperienced QB improves and makes those throws in games is to actually play in a game.
Why you are lumping me in with the other 2, I have no idea.
I didn't want McNabb to stay.
(broken record)
Pump your brakes on the hater thing because I certainly do not hate the guy. I simply don't believe that he has what it takes to be a successful NFL QB.
But I will say this - he has been in the NFL three years. He has two eyes in his head and he is supposed to be able to read coverages and receivers. That is the most basic aspect of the position.
You're not going to sell me on taking a step back when the farging guy is routinely not looking down the damn field for an entire game.
And the few shots he did take, he was off on.
When you have FOUR receivers running open how much farging training or game experience do you need to pull the damn trigger?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 05, 2010, 11:36:49 PM
Why you are lumping me in with the other 2, I have no idea.
I didn't want McNabb to stay.
(broken record)
I don't get why I am labeled a Kolb Hater.
Because I don't think he's a viable option as an NFL QB, I suppose.
But that video is damning evidence that he is not cut out for the job.
The only reason he didnt make those throws wasnt because he couldnt, but it was because he was scared of making a mistake
Im sure there were plenty of practices in camp when a cover 2 zone was played and he made them. His problem right now is he has no confidence in his coaching staff, the fans of Philadelphia and most obvious himself. Now, he will be taking first team reps in practice for the next 2 weeks or so and getting all kinds of looks from various defenses caught on film. If that shtein happens again and he doesnt throw the ball--throw in the towel because even the medicore of all back up qb's in the league make those throws
Do you believe that?
That his confidence is shaken? I have a very hard time believing that his apparent lack of confidence in the coaching staff means he can't pull the trigger and trust his eyes as to what he sees.
Run the play that is called. Do what your eyes, the coverages and film study tell you to do.
you know Im no Kolb fan Phreak, but Im giving the guy the benefit of the doubt here because this guys mind has been twisted sideways in more ways than one
you can see his head is staring down the field, but he checked down for the sure throw. that is lack of confidence.
I sure hope you're right. I mean, it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy that he's got a confidence problem, but that can be fixed. The inability to make those throws, if not confidence related, means they've wasted about $15M and a 2nd round pick.
whether it was a lack of confidence, misreads or coaching direction, this is something you need to see week to week improvement on
if hes doing this again next week or in november, then yea, maybe this isn't gonna happen. but maybe he sees the tape, realizes he needs to stop being a Hoyda, and he comes out firing. how about we wait and see. again, this year was supposed to figure out whether or not kolb was any good. 2 separate halfs in...he sort of sucks. but im eager to see more.
Either that or he really REALLY can't read a defense/it's openings. I think confidence is a big factor. He was playing scared, just like he played in week 1. He's got happy feet and he needs to get it under control.
And lol at "Kolb Hater". I don't hate the guy, I just would have rather seen Reid go than McNabb. Since I knew that wasn't going to happen, I'm going to piss and moan until the Eagles put a guy at the QB position who shows he at least has a small chance of winning a SB on an Andy Reid-ran team. That means he's gotta be great.....And while you can't say Kolb's going to be terrible, I think you know when a guy has "it" after a few games...and Kolb just doesn't. He's above average at his best. He's the type of QB that will have a few good games and a few bad games...a few great throws and a few terrible throws. And as we've seen from the last 11 years, that doesn't win a SB with Andy Reid. But hey, maybe if he can get to the McNabb level of more good games than bad, the better supporting cast could help him win it. But with Reid, and Banner, and Howie....lol fat chance. Pun intended.
I don't understand how Kevin Kolb's performance in two seperate halves has somehow justified the Mcnabb lover boys. First off, Mcnabb is being used as a game manager. Shannahan ran the ball down our throat and Mcnabb played a Trent Dilfer like role in that offense. Secondly, Mcnabb still is a piss poor time manager, and made one of the stupidest plays I can recall when he ran out of bounds on that first down. Third, I love these pictures and videos of the open receivers... Kolb was placed into a huge game... after being named the starter... then replaced by Vick... then named the starter.. then demoted in favor of Vick... he had jitters and was afraid to throw the deal... big deal...
On top of it all.. Mcnabb probably would have overthrown those receivers like he did in that first half of the Arizona playoff game... or he would have thrown behind their shoulders... or he would have bounced it to them... or he would have puked on Jason Peters as he rolled around on the ground after another holding call.
Look, 4 years is the nfl means you should be able to play the position when called upon - especially for the team that fancies itself the gold standard. I think kolbs stock play is now whether he's going to be Bobby Hoying bad or merely Doug Pederson pedestrian. Could be a classic example of "buy the rumor, sell the news"...
Couple games should do it. Lose in Frisco and team should leave him in oaksterdam across the bay where Hoying made his exit....
Quote from: JackStraw on October 06, 2010, 12:43:09 AM
Look, 4 years is the nfl means you should be able to play the position when called upon - especially for the team that fancies itself the gold standard. I think kolbs stock play is now whether he's going to be Bobby Hoying bad or merely Doug Pederson pedestrian. Could be a classic example of "buy the rumor, sell the news"...
Couple games should do it. Lose in Frisco and team should leave him in oaksterdam across the bay where Hoying made his exit....
3 years of experience... He put up over 600 yards in 2 games last year... just like those 2 games are not enough to annoint him a legit starter, neither are two halves enough to clarify him a bust...
Aaron Rodgers had under 200 yards in his first game as a full starter... pretty sure he wasn't throwing the deep ball either.
I want to know who these QBs are that came into their first series of starts bombing down the field with high accuracy. Romo maybe? Brady came around pretty rapidly but it even took him three games or so to get away from the constant dink and dunk. Manning came into the league throwing a ton of picks his first season.
Don't you guys watch a lot of NFL games? You never noticed new QBs checking down a lot and playing more conservatively than veterans? Sanchez is just starting to open things up more than a year into his career. You can say that Kolb sitting on the bench for years should have turned him into a real quarterback, but I don't buy into that Andy Reid BS. QBs gotta play the game for real. Kolb might very well suck, but I think it's crazy that someone can already conclusively say that.
As I've said, I'm willing to ride this out for a while to see how Kolb does over time, so that's my position and I'm sticking to it.
It is however hard to watch tape like that without wondering what's going on. He's not a rookie. He's had three years of study and practice with an NFL team. He's not had a lot of live real game experience, true, but I do think he's had enough to pick up some of those receivers. It's not like we're talking about a rookie thrown straight into the starting role here.
The joy with which some of you evidently watch Kolb struggle is really disgusting.
He's an Eagle and you should be cheering for him to succeed, not fail.
Idiots.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 05, 2010, 11:40:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 05, 2010, 11:36:49 PM
Why you are lumping me in with the other 2, I have no idea.
I didn't want McNabb to stay.
(broken record)
I don't get why I am labeled a Kolb Hater.
maybe cause you are going painfully out of your way to try and show im not sure who that cobb isnt a good nfl qb?
i dont think theres a person on this board who thinks cobb is going to be a good nfl qb....at best i hear people say they are willing to give him a chance
i certainly dont think hes going to be any good and i guarantee i hate cobb more than you...the difference is your desperation by pulling replays that say he didnt hit an open wr when the guy has less than 200 career attempts just screams haterism
im sure if i had access to game film i could pull a couple "eye in the sky" replays of tom brady missing a wr last week...in fact brady completed exactly two passes last week where the ball traveled more than 10 yards and averaged 8 yards a throw...cobb averaged over 9
the point being if i wanted to hate i could cherry pick any qb in the league any week and find something that fits my agenda....the fact that you are doing this with a guy that is so inexperienced is why people see you as a hater
Quote from: Rome on October 06, 2010, 07:17:55 AM
The joy with which some of you evidently watch Kolb struggle is really disgusting.
He's an Eagle and you should be cheering for him to succeed, not fail.
Idiots.
Why so angry, buddy?
P.S. I agree.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 05, 2010, 11:36:49 PM
Why you are lumping me in with the other 2, I have no idea.
I didn't want McNabb to stay.
(broken record)
Pretty sure you're bitter because he's gone. How else would you explain not wanting to go with a young QB who was the first player in history to throw for 300 yards in his first two games? If after those two games you don't say to yourself "this guy might have potential, let's give him a shot" then you're either A) hating him because that was your original feeling and you're too stubborn to change or B)bitter because McNabb is gone.
I'm glad Vick is doing as well as he is but I'm still hopeful Kolb may develop into something. I'm willing to give him a shot, if he fails they move on. Hating on him for no reason is retarded. He's played parts of two games this season.
Quote from: MDS on October 06, 2010, 12:00:07 AM
whether it was a lack of confidence, misreads or coaching direction, this is something you need to see week to week improvement on
if hes doing this again next week or in november, then yea, maybe this isn't gonna happen. but maybe he sees the tape, realizes he needs to stop being a Hoyda, and he comes out firing. how about we wait and see. again, this year was supposed to figure out whether or not kolb was any good. 2 separate halfs in...he sort of sucks. but im eager to see more.
Spot on.
And I agree with reese in that he was playing scared. These things happen with inexperienced QBs.
Quote from: Rome on October 06, 2010, 07:17:55 AM
The joy with which some of you evidently watch Kolb struggle is really disgusting.
He's an Eagle and you should be cheering for him to succeed, not fail.
Idiots.
Who is joyous?
Perhaps you could see why people think that since you are going out of your way to say that he sucks and pull up film to prove a point. Its like PG saying he will be lucky to be a back up in the NFL. Really? No one knows what Kolb is yet, yeah he does hold on to the ball way too long. At the same time he has played a total of what 3-3/4 quarters of NFL games. I don't give a sthein how long you sit on the bench any NFL QB will tell you the only thing that matters is game reps.
All I know is I am just happy McNabb is gone so I'm willing to give him a shot. Now if Reid were just gone.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 06, 2010, 10:03:15 AM
Now if Reid were just gone.
Let's see... We're only 4 weeks into the season, and we've had:
1. Mismanagement of severe concussions
2. Using all timeouts with 5+ minutes left
3. Almost choking on a big lead against the Lions
4. Flip-flop on a QB decision (reflects strongly as a coach AND a GM)
5. End of first half debacle on Sunday
6. Penalties coming out the ass
7. He's really fat.
Safe to say that Andy's job security is not at an all-time high.
especially based on #7
Well, yeah. His life expectancy can't be very good.
#8. he's going bald
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 06, 2010, 10:03:15 AM
Perhaps you could see why people think that since you are going out of your way to say that he sucks and pull up film to prove a point. Its like PG saying he will be lucky to be a back up in the NFL. Really? No one knows what Kolb is yet, yeah he does hold on to the ball way too long. At the same time he has played a total of what 3-3/4 quarters of NFL games. I don't give a sthein how long you sit on the bench any NFL QB will tell you the only thing that matters is game reps.
All I know is I am just happy McNabb is gone so I'm willing to give him a shot. Now if Reid were just gone.
I posted that because I saw it on NFL Network and the Eagles MB. I will reiterate my point - I simply don't believe he is what they think he is. I believe they moved on from McNabb prematurely.
I am not happy about them doing that so of course when the guy who they shoved down our throats as the heir apparent is stinking the joint up I am not going to be happy about it.
But I am not joyful about the fact he is sucking because I want them to win. I've said time and again that I want Kolb to succeed because that means the Eagles are winning, and that is the bottom line.
Everyone says they are willing to step back to step forward. Let's hope that Kolb is the right choice but in his limited time, he has not shown that ability.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 06, 2010, 10:03:15 AM
Perhaps you could see why people think that since you are going out of your way to say that he sucks and pull up film to prove a point. Its like PG saying he will be lucky to be a back up in the NFL. Really? No one knows what Kolb is yet, yeah he does hold on to the ball way too long. At the same time he has played a total of what 3-3/4 quarters of NFL games. I don't give a sthein how long you sit on the bench any NFL QB will tell you the only thing that matters is game reps.
All I know is I am just happy McNabb is gone so I'm willing to give him a shot. Now if Reid were just gone.
I posted that because I saw it on NFL Network and the Eagles MB. I will reiterate my point - I simply don't believe he is what they think he is. I believe they moved on from McNabb prematurely.
I am not happy about them doing that so of course when the guy who they shoved down our throats as the heir apparent is stinking the joint up I am not going to be happy about it.
But I am not joyful about the fact he is sucking because I want them to win. I've said time and again that I want Kolb to succeed because that means the Eagles are winning, and that is the bottom line.
Everyone says they are willing to step back to step forward. Let's hope that Kolb is the right choice but in his limited time, he has not shown that ability.
We were never winning a Superbowl with McNabb.
jay please stop over reacting
thanks,
logic
You call that overreacting?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 06, 2010, 10:03:15 AM
Perhaps you could see why people think that since you are going out of your way to say that he sucks and pull up film to prove a point. Its like PG saying he will be lucky to be a back up in the NFL. Really? No one knows what Kolb is yet, yeah he does hold on to the ball way too long. At the same time he has played a total of what 3-3/4 quarters of NFL games. I don't give a sthein how long you sit on the bench any NFL QB will tell you the only thing that matters is game reps.
All I know is I am just happy McNabb is gone so I'm willing to give him a shot. Now if Reid were just gone.
I posted that because I saw it on NFL Network and the Eagles MB. I will reiterate my point - I simply don't believe he is what they think he is. I believe they moved on from McNabb prematurely.
I am not happy about them doing that so of course when the guy who they shoved down our throats as the heir apparent is stinking the joint up I am not going to be happy about it.
But I am not joyful about the fact he is sucking because I want them to win. I've said time and again that I want Kolb to succeed because that means the Eagles are winning, and that is the bottom line.
Everyone says they are willing to step back to step forward. Let's hope that Kolb is the right choice but in his limited time, he has not shown that ability.
So you were willing to give Kolb a chance to go through some growing pains, as long as it didn't last more than a series or two?
well not in the classic j form, no.
but phrases like "stinking up the joint" and "shoved down our throats" are entirely over the top.
again, for the 1000th time, hes a young qb is going to make mistakes. if hes still making these mistakes at thanksgiving then i can understand getting on the kolb sucks bandwagon but for now you and your girl pg are just acting like bitter 5 homers still peeved that their doofus wormburner qb got shipped out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 01:24:57 PM
You call that overreacting?
I think it just might be you. Phillies lose a few games "farging bums!, they suck forever, kill Ruben!", Kolb isn't playing at a Joe Montana level "He can't play and will never be a good QB!, look at these yellow circles!"
^ This
He has shown time and time again it won't happen with him. If he ever wins one it will be because the team around him carried him. He probably had more opportunities than any QB in the history of the game to come up big in the playoffs and SB and never did.
Charles,
I had no choice but to give the guy a chance. He is the new QB of my favorite team. But what he has shown since the PS - can it really be called growing pains. Do you see him unable to pull the trigger on wide open receivers as growing pains?!
MDS,
He stunk it up on Sunday and he was shoved down our throats. When you trade an established veteran for a young guy, to rebuild, then that guy is essentially crammed down the throats of the fans because he is their choice to be the next guy.
Pointing out what the NFLN did is hardly hating - but it was frustrating to watch. Even more frustrating when people said he played well! Nary an analyst that I have listened to or watched or read has praised him, they all pointed out the lack of going down the field on Sunday. So I guess they're haters too?
Again, I hope he comes out on Sunday and plays well and gets the ball down the field. I hope he is the guy for the future. Because I don't want to wait while they search and seek out the next franchise guy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 01:33:53 PM
He stunk it up on Sunday
But McNabb went out and played awesome, right? Am I right? HIGH FIVE!
He played like shtein too.
Why when I talk Kolb do the retorts come back associated with McNabb. Take him out of the equation.
(http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/pierce/DearGodPlsMakeItStop.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 01:35:52 PM
He played like shtein too.
Why when I talk Kolb do the retorts come back associated with McNabb. Take him out of the equation.
Why should we? Your whole argument is that the Eagles should have kept McNabb longer. Why do you get to keep him in the equation, but we can't?
Analysts can say what they want fact of the matter is he got them back into a football game when they were down by 14 points. Did he leave plays out on the field sure. But when it came time at the end of the game he got the job done for the most part. Is it his fault that the defense can't make stops when it needs to? Or that even though it was desperation the WR couldn't come down with the ball?
If that was McNabb you would be making all those points as to why it wasn't his fault.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 06, 2010, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 01:35:52 PM
He played like shtein too.
Why when I talk Kolb do the retorts come back associated with McNabb. Take him out of the equation.
Why should we? Your whole argument is that the Eagles should have kept McNabb longer. Why do you get to keep him in the equation, but we can't?
By posting the video and picture I mad no mention of McNabb.
I believe he should have been kept, but its over and done with. In talking about Kolb now I am talking about him playing like shtein.
Yes but you do mention the fact they traded an established veteran to play Kolb. Which is true, you just fail to mention that he has established himself as a choke artist. :P
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 01:33:53 PM
MDS,
He stunk it up on Sunday and he was shoved down our throats. When you trade an established veteran for a young guy, to rebuild, then that guy is essentially crammed down the throats of the fans because he is their choice to be the next guy.
Pointing out what the NFLN did is hardly hating - but it was frustrating to watch. Even more frustrating when people said he played well! Nary an analyst that I have listened to or watched or read has praised him, they all pointed out the lack of going down the field on Sunday. So I guess they're haters too?
Again, I hope he comes out on Sunday and plays well and gets the ball down the field. I hope he is the guy for the future. Because I don't want to wait while they search and seek out the next franchise guy.
who gives a shtein about mcnabb being an established veteran. what the farg does that mean? that they traded a guy who you know is going to go 10-6 and condescendingly annoy the shtein out of the fanbase? it was beyond time for mcnabb and the eagles to go their separate ways and you know this. there is no possible evidence whatsoever to suggest that keeping him for this year or the next 3 years would have resulted in anything different than the last 11 years of falling short and playoff loses that were already accustomed to.
kolb has played 2 separate halves. he hasnt looked particularly good in either. but before getting on the 5 high horse that a. he doesnt want you on because he genuinely despises philly fans and b. is old and well past its prime, understand that any reasonable person expected kolb to suck early on. i wouldnt go as far to say as hes stinking up the joint now, but he certainly looks like a young qb out there. 3 years of riding the bench isnt going to make him joe montana right off the bat. he needs game work. once he gets a month or two of that, then we can reassess where hes at.
reggie wells > cobb
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 01:33:53 PM
Charles,
I had no choice but to give the guy a chance. He is the new QB of my favorite team. But what he has shown since the PS - can it really be called growing pains. Do you see him unable to pull the trigger on wide open receivers as growing pains?!
So he's struggling to see the field and hasn't adjusted to the speed of the game yet... the one thing ANY QB will tell you happens once you become a starter, it could take a couple of seasons before it slows down. So he gets to go into the film room and see that what he was missing. And the next time he'll know what to look for. They may not have looked open at the time.
So to answer your question...Um... yeah.
What would your definition of growing pains be?
Why does everyone keep insisting Kolb's only had 2 halfs of play under his belt?
He started 2 games last year
He played another half a game 2 years ago.
He also had 4 preseason games to show something and really didn't, and that's supposed to be against vanilla defenses
I'm not saying he's had extensive playtime, but treating him like he's a rookie who's never played before is wrong. He's played before, and he had all preseason to prepare for this season, and both times he's played he came out scared and looking like he didn't know what he was doing. Hopefully it's a confidence issue and that's all it is, because he can work through that. But I have yet to see anything from him that tells me he'll ever be more than above-average, and the Eagles aren't built to win a SB with just an above-average QB. We've seen that for the last 11 years.
He needs to play on a consistent basis to develop, not bits and pieces over 3 seasons. This is the QB position we're talking about here, not a position like LB where you can pretty much either play or not play.
Sam Bradford has been looking good and doesn't have the experience of Kolb
Or the surrounding cast. An Eagles PS castoff is their leading WR :-D
To be fair, I liked Danny Amendola.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 06, 2010, 06:09:44 PM
Sam Bradford has been looking good and doesn't have the experience of Kolb
He has about the same as far as games go and he's played 4 straight
Same as far as games go does not make up for the 3+ years Kolb has had to learn the offense.
Nor does he have all pro WR's and an all pro TE to throw to.
Quote from: Munson on October 06, 2010, 06:11:45 PM
Or the surrounding cast. An Eagles PS castoff is their leading WR :-D
To be fair, I liked Danny Amendola.
Mark Clayton was on the Eagles PS??
Bradford looks good. Kolb does not.
These are facts, sure. So what.
Quote from: Hawk on October 06, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Quote from: Munson on October 06, 2010, 06:11:45 PM
Or the surrounding cast. An Eagles PS castoff is their leading WR :-D
To be fair, I liked Danny Amendola.
Mark Clayton was on the Eagles PS??
Ah, forgot about Clayton.
They're all bums
Quote from: Munson on October 06, 2010, 06:19:41 PM
Same as far as games go does not make up for the 3+ years Kolb has had to learn the offense.
Nor does he have all pro WR's and an all pro TE to throw to.
Kolb did fine with those same WRs and TE last season when he threw back to back 300 yard games. This season he's played a quarter and a half and a half. Not exactly enough to go off of.
Kolb will throw for 320 yds and 3 tds this weekend.
In all likelihood, Kolb is going to start the next three games. It'll probably make more sense to evaluate him then. We probably still won't know his ceiling, but if there is absolutely zero improvement between now and then, I don't think anyone will be too broken up over shipping him off to another team before next season.
Quote from: SD on October 06, 2010, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: Munson on October 06, 2010, 06:19:41 PM
Same as far as games go does not make up for the 3+ years Kolb has had to learn the offense.
Nor does he have all pro WR's and an all pro TE to throw to.
Kolb did fine with those same WRs and TE last season when he threw back to back 300 yard games. This season he's played a quarter and a half and a half. Not exactly enough to go off of.
I don't think he's a total bum, but do you really think he looks good enough or will ever be good enough to lead an Andy Reid led team to the SB?
Because let's be honest, we're not going to be happy with this team until they win a SB.
I don't know, but I'd like to find out before I start calling him a bum. What I'd like to see is progression at this point. He needs reps to see if he has what it takes.
I still think he ends up average/slightly above average. He'll be brilliant some weeks and terrible some weeks. Which aint bad. They can and will win games with that.
But I don't think anyone complaining about the last 11 years can be okay with that. Because it doesn't win Super Bowls. Andy Reid will never have the run game/dominating defense that it takes to win with just a good QB.
Hopefully he's not scared shteinless out there this week and we can get a good look at all the downfield vision, accuracy, and quick releases we've been hearing about all off-season.
playing a half, getting a concussion, then not playing for two games, being made the backup, and then having to come in to play 3 quarters is definitely all i need to know that Kolb is a terrible qb and human being.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 06, 2010, 06:09:44 PM
Sam Bradford has been looking good and doesn't have the experience of Kolb
Sam Bradford already looks better than most NFL Qbs.
Quote from: SunMo on October 07, 2010, 04:18:11 PM
playing a half, getting a concussion, then not playing for two games, being made the backup, and then having to come in to play 3 quarters is definitely all i need to know that Kolb is a terrible qb and human being.
Don't forget that he doesn't watch The Wire.
Although this guy played ok and seemed to be pretty accurate, one of things that got underneath my skin was the way he seemed to clam up so early when the pressure was coming inside the pocket. Its something Philadelphia fans havent seen in a long time, and Im not too sure they will take comfort in that. It just looked very girlish.
He was getting pressure for most the whole game. Four sacks and three knockdowns, plus who knows how many hurries. For no more blocking than he had I thought he did good.
So I am listening to some boring ass morning show on 97.5 right now because I am stuck at work on a Saturday and they bring up some interview Kolb. Apparently Kolb said something to the affect of putting up walls, not getting too high or too low and how thats the media job in Philly, being consistent, and making sure he has his family supporting him. The hosts are claiming this is McNabb like self defense.
UH OH.
I find it funny cause I don't think Kolb said anything wrong here but its funny how they are nitpicking his comments and how its just how McNabb was.
Big difference: Kolb doesn't mix in the pathetic attempts at humor.
Plus he doesn't smile. I don't think I have seen him smile.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 16, 2010, 10:24:18 AM
So I am listening to some boring ass morning show on 97.5 right now because I am stuck at work on a Saturday and they bring up some interview Kolb. Apparently Kolb said something to the affect of putting up walls, not getting too high or too low and how thats the media job in Philly, being consistent, and making sure he has his family supporting him. The hosts are claiming this is McNabb like self defense.
UH OH.
I find it funny cause I don't think Kolb said anything wrong here but its funny how they are nitpicking his comments and how its just how McNabb was.
I dunno who does the 97.5 weekend shows, but if they can't beat out Schwartzman or Vai/Gonzo for a weekday slot they can't be very good.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 16, 2010, 10:27:28 AM
Big difference: Kolb doesn't mix in the pathetic attempts at humor.
and i havent heard either of cobbs parents rip eagle fans...in fact when they were talking (andy supposedly told kolb to not have his parents speak while he is the eagles qb so to avoid the disaster that were the mcnabbs) all they did was big up the city and the fans.....altho im sure most of it was to go the complete opposite of what happened with the bed wetter and in fact they could care less about the fans or the city
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 16, 2010, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 16, 2010, 10:24:18 AM
So I am listening to some boring ass morning show on 97.5 right now because I am stuck at work on a Saturday and they bring up some interview Kolb. Apparently Kolb said something to the affect of putting up walls, not getting too high or too low and how thats the media job in Philly, being consistent, and making sure he has his family supporting him. The hosts are claiming this is McNabb like self defense.
UH OH.
I find it funny cause I don't think Kolb said anything wrong here but its funny how they are nitpicking his comments and how its just how McNabb was.
I dunno who does the 97.5 weekend shows, but if they can't beat out Schwartzman or Vai/Gonzo for a weekday slot they can't be very good.
It's usually the producers, Tom Byrne is on right now.
I sure am glad I decide how much i like my athletes based on their sense of humor and what their parents say.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 16, 2010, 10:24:18 AM
So I am listening to some boring ass morning show on 97.5 right now because I am stuck at work on a Saturday and they bring up some interview Kolb. Apparently Kolb said something to the affect of putting up walls, not getting too high or too low and how thats the media job in Philly, being consistent, and making sure he has his family supporting him. The hosts are claiming this is McNabb like self defense.
UH OH.
I find it funny cause I don't think Kolb said anything wrong here but its funny how they are nitpicking his comments and how its just how McNabb was.
His comments were brought up earlier in the week and they were nitpicking about it then too. I forget if it was Via/Gonzo or maybe Mikey Miss that I heard talking about it, but whoever it was, got a little bent out of shape about it. I don't even know why anyone would look for anything in that comment. He basically said "I don't want to get too high when I play well or too low when I don't, that's your job."
They weren't claiming in was "McNabb-like" but they did take exception to it as if he was ripping the media and fanbase. I don't even see how anyone could come to that conclusion because what he said was absolute truth. When guys play really well, we praise them. When they play like crap, we rip them a new one. How anyone could get anything else out of that comment is beyond me.
No problem with what Kolb said...that is how you have to deal with the media and public.
In the end I don't know why anyone gives a shtein - its all about what happens on the field.
Yeah, that's totally true. Just ask Mike Vick.
In reference to talking to media, man.
Hello, haters. How goes it?
pg cowering in her jersey suburb. TALK WOMAN
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 16, 2010, 06:29:16 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 16, 2010, 10:24:18 AM
So I am listening to some boring ass morning show on 97.5 right now because I am stuck at work on a Saturday and they bring up some interview Kolb. Apparently Kolb said something to the affect of putting up walls, not getting too high or too low and how thats the media job in Philly, being consistent, and making sure he has his family supporting him. The hosts are claiming this is McNabb like self defense.
UH OH.
I find it funny cause I don't think Kolb said anything wrong here but its funny how they are nitpicking his comments and how its just how McNabb was.
His comments were brought up earlier in the week and they were nitpicking about it then too. I forget if it was Via/Gonzo or maybe Mikey Miss that I heard talking about it, but whoever it was, got a little bent out of shape about it. I don't even know why anyone would look for anything in that comment. He basically said "I don't want to get too high when I play well or too low when I don't, that's your job."
They weren't claiming in was "McNabb-like" but they did take exception to it as if he was ripping the media and fanbase. I don't even see how anyone could come to that conclusion because what he said was absolute truth. When guys play really well, we praise them. When they play like crap, we rip them a new one. How anyone could get anything else out of that comment is beyond me.
Well on the show I was listening they made a direct comparison to McNabb but they also expanded to say how come no one on the Eagles is like-able where all the Phillies are?
I wanted to scream through to them ITS BECAUSE THE PHILLIES HAVE WON A CHAMPIONSHIP and quite possibly are on their way to win another.
Didn't see the game (Giants vs Lions was surprisingly interesting) but from the highlights and stats Kolb had a great game.
How was the OLINE? Also I know WYSP is the officials Eagles radio but every time during a game I go to their website they just stream music.
Dunlap was not horrible
Oline gave him a ton of time today, it was refreshing. Against what everyone thought was a solid D, they blocked well and even ran it pretty well. It was nice to see our QB not on his ass for half the game.
Abraham do anything in the game?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 17, 2010, 04:51:31 PM
Abraham do anything in the game?
Nope, Dunlop held his own on One on One blocking, but the Eagles were chipping him and such for most of the game.
Falcons were also doing some Eagle-like retarded shtein and dropping him back in zone coverage a few times
Kevin Kolb played great other than the throw that got Desean killed....and in fairness he was getting hit. There is now officially a QB controversy in Philly.
Retard, WYSP can only broadcast a couple games a year on their web feed.
Hey, no need for name calling
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 17, 2010, 05:15:58 PM
Retard, WYSP can only broadcast a couple games a year on their web feed.
So to week to week there is no free radio broadcast? Oh well I need to start hitting up the sports bars. The internet feeds are terrible, choppy, and usually on a 10 second delay.
its been that way for years, you can pay on NFL.com same as MLB, you need to pay them to listen on the interwebs
http://www.975thefanatic.com/listen-live/ I've used this once or twice this year.
ESPN Insider posted a story this morning that today's game was a "showcase" game so that the Eagles can trade Kolb.
MUST BE TRUE ITS ESPN
Kolb to Cleveland for 2 #1's and Ashley Lelie's rights
Mrs. Heckert loves that idea.
Hi Kolb Haters?
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 17, 2010, 07:10:36 PM
ESPN Insider posted a story this morning that today's game was a "showcase" game so that the Eagles can trade Kolb.
MUST BE TRUE ITS ESPN
Kolb 4 Urlakerz str8 ^
Get Urlacherz, move stewie out to SAM...SUPERBOWL
No doubt Kolb's stock is on the rise. Not only with his play but he's had a great attitude throughout this whole thing.
Great news is Colt Brennen had a workout with the Texans this week. ::) it went so well he was on the sideline last night for the UH/Nevada game.
that was pretty much a total question answering game.
arm strength? check.
decision making? check.
accuracy? check.
Munson, here is a new video you can use to say that Kolb has a weak arm. You're welcome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVTiVoiCYM
way too much air under that duck
vick thought it looked good from where he was.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/philadelphia-eagles/09000d5d81b667be/WK-6-Kevin-Kolb-highlights
complete package showing Kolb's shortcomings
the throw out of the end zone 26 yards on a line to avant just obliterates any arm strength discussion.....forever
Yeah, but can he make those throws with his LEFT arm like Vick does?
Kolb suX0rzZzzz!!3
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 10:02:43 AM
Yeah, but can he make those throws with his LEFT arm like Vick does?
Kolb suX0rzZzzz!!3
maybe not but he can use that same left arm to get to work on time.
Kevin "Noodle Arm" Kolb stats over the last 2 games:
Comp.-Att. Pct. Yards Yds.per-att TD-Int. Rating
44-60 .733 579 9.65 4-1 118.7
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 11:47:54 AM
Kevin "Noodle Arm" Kolb stats over the last 2 games:
Comp.-Att. Pct. Yards Yds.per-att TD-Int. Rating
44-60 .733 579 9.65 4-1 118.7
woah
He'd be closer to 50 completions if Celek could hold onto the ball
Isn't that the goddamned truth.
Quote from: SunMo on October 18, 2010, 08:32:12 AM
that was pretty much a total question answering game.
arm strength? check.
decision making? check.
accuracy? check.
Munson, here is a new video you can use to say that Kolb has a weak arm. You're welcome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVTiVoiCYM
You do realize that's a throw that every NFL QB should be able to make, right? a 50 yard deep throw to a wide open guy....ooo, impressive. Eli Manning can make that throw.
It's funny that you haven't said a word over the last few weeks as guys like Jaws, Ray Diddy, Trent Dilfer, and every other ESPN talking head has called Kolb's arm things like "not the strongest", or "it's adequate", etc...but, I wouldn't expect anything less.
Kolb gets some good zip on the ball when he steps into the throw, good for him. He's an NFL QB. He still doesn't have a strong arm.
you went a bit further then "not the strongest" or 'adequate" ...
BTW - ray diddy wanted devon thomas over pimp. just sayin'
munson-you really have to stop with the arm strength argument. not only is it annoying as shtein, but yesterday''s performance should of cleared the air
I don know if you're looking for bullets every time to make your argument cuter, but the goal of a qb is to get it to his receiver in stride and on the money which is exactly what he did..and if he didnt have arm strength half of those throws would of been picks...right? right.
I'm not looking for bullets....there's just certain throws that he can't make or, when he does, are scary. Hell one of the announcers said it yesterday. "He's not the type of guy that's going to throw 16 yard outs"
Nobody said Kolb has as strong as an arm as Mcnabb's you flaming douche, all anyone has ever said is that he doesn't have a 'noodle arm' or whatever other adjective you used to describe his arm strength. It's obvious to anyone who isn't a complete farging moron that he has a strong enough arm to be a good NFL QB. I and 99% of the rest of the world will take accuracy over arm strength any day of the week. That you don't can't get that through your thick head is baffling.
Wait until next week, when he claims it was all a ruse to get under your skin.
SD-- he can throw 50 yarders to receivers in stride when he has time, but he cant throw 16 yarders. Got that?
Quote from: Munson on October 18, 2010, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: SunMo on October 18, 2010, 08:32:12 AM
that was pretty much a total question answering game.
arm strength? check.
decision making? check.
accuracy? check.
Munson, here is a new video you can use to say that Kolb has a weak arm. You're welcome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfVTiVoiCYM
You do realize that's a throw that every NFL QB should be able to make, right? a 50 yard deep throw to a wide open guy....ooo, impressive. Eli Manning can make that throw.
It's funny that you haven't said a word over the last few weeks as guys like Jaws, Ray Diddy, Trent Dilfer, and every other ESPN talking head has called Kolb's arm things like "not the strongest", or "it's adequate", etc...but, I wouldn't expect anything less.
Kolb gets some good zip on the ball when he steps into the throw, good for him. He's an NFL QB. He still doesn't have a strong arm.
I am amazed by the fact that no pro team has hired you yet.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
Wait until next week, when he claims it was all a ruse to get under your skin.
I try to stay away from the munson bashing but holy hell. When I was in the Navy my division couldn't stand my assistant LPO because he couldn't take social cues for shtein. I'm imagining munson is the same way in real life.
this is why this cvnt is on ignore...i can't believe more people haven't done it
I never said he couldn't be a good NFL QB. Just that he didn't have a strong arm and that his other intangibles were going to have to be good enough to make up for it. So far, they have been. He's been as accurate as advertised and has been making some quick(er) decisions. He can make the throws when he has time, but as we've seen he's not nearly as confident or proficient when the D gets a few hits on him. Hopefully he settles down, and instead of backing up 2 steps and checking down when a guy's bearing down on him, he steps up, makes the throw and takes the hit. Though I guess a check down is better then throwing off your back foot over the middle and getting picked.
Quote from: SD on October 18, 2010, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 18, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
Wait until next week, when he claims it was all a ruse to get under your skin.
I try to stay away from the munson bashing but holy hell. When I was in the Navy my division couldn't stand my assistant LPO because he couldn't take social cues for shtein. I'm imagining munson is the same way in real life.
I was unaware that CF was ever a place where social cues were to be taken.
munson, just admit that you were wrong in your opinion that kolb has a weak arm. it's not a big deal. noboy's perfect, not even igy.
FYI - ray diddy has already done so.
Quote from: smeags on October 18, 2010, 04:02:50 PM
just admit that you were wrong
That happens a lot here.
I'll def admit that his arm has looked better this year than what we saw last year in TC/the couple games he played.
And you are correct, Ray Diddy said the same thing. He came in this year with a stronger arm then a lot of people anticipated.
there ya go.
now that wasn't that hard was it ?
It's nothing I haven't already said before in a few of the preseason game threads.
Quote from: SunMo on October 18, 2010, 03:55:42 PM
this is why this cvnt is on ignore...i can't believe more people haven't done it
i mean really
its even cringe worthy to see the ignore post come up so many times because you know that the retard is diggin himself another one of his white trash holes that he cant climb out of
but thats the beauty of it...i missed the entire thing.
so how of you have sent munson to the ignore basement ?
so Kolb looks legit when the oline holds eh? they actually ran the ball more than passing. of course the first game I miss in years is the best game they've had since last year sometime. anyone know if you can torrent download entire games online?
That was another thing I am surprised no one has brought up. They ran a fairly balanced attack yesterday, and Andy actually stuck with it desptie McCoy only averaging 3 yards a carry.
More of that, please.
Quote from: mussa on October 18, 2010, 04:36:35 PM
they actually ran the ball more than passing.
didn't a good amount of the rushing plays come in garbage time ?
they did, Buckley had 12 at the end, but that is unheard of. i'm glad to see it, thats all.
Quote from: smeags on October 18, 2010, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: mussa on October 18, 2010, 04:36:35 PM
they actually ran the ball more than passing.
didn't a good amount of the rushing plays come in garbage time ?
True, but even before Buckley came in they still had McCoy at 20 carries. Not bad at all.
it was 27 passes 27 run plays at once point, I recall
passing is what got them up tho...
18 pass to 9 run up to 21-0
24 pass to 11 run at half
68% which is above andys career avg.
ive said it before its not how much he passes but when...youd do best not to harp on the run pass ratio...its not quite but almost a useless number in todays nfl
They have been effective when they do run for the most part and that is all you can really ask.
I think it was also mentioned, though not much, that Reid had a good game plan for the Falcons. And he seemed to stick to it the entire game, which is not like him either.
Quote from: shorebird on October 19, 2010, 03:42:26 PMI think it was also mentioned, though not much, that Reid had a good game plan for the Falcons. And he seemed to stick to it the entire game, which is not like him either.
Look, I hate Reid as much as anyone, but the fact that he won't change a scheme when it's not working does not mean he's given to changing up when it is working.
5 career starts --> 2-time NFC Offensive Player of the Week
Not bad.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 20, 2010, 11:10:27 AM
5 career starts --> 2-time NFC Offensive Player of the Week
Not bad.
A 2:1 player of the week to concussion ratio also not a bad stat.
Steve Young had at least 7 concussions and Aikman had 10 so Kolbsy should be able to hang in there for a good while yet, maybe through next season.
Tomorrow he will ask to either start or be cut. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Kolb_wants_to_start_or_wants_out.html)
Bye.
I'm sure they'll let him go for nothing just because he was a good trooper this season.
Bye.
Have fun in Tennessee.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2011, 11:00:01 PM
Tomorrow he will ask to either start or be cut. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Kolb_wants_to_start_or_wants_out.html)
Bye.
i wouldnt be opposed to him starting
all along i thought he was pretty good
is he better than mike vick on the top of his game? oh good god no, most people arent.
but vick has his flaws, too.
frankly this is what i wanted to see out of kolb LAST YEAR, before the 5 trade. good that hes saying hes not gonna be a bitch no more.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2011, 11:00:01 PM
Tomorrow he will ask to either start or be cut. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Kolb_wants_to_start_or_wants_out.html)
Tomorrow he will be told no.
well it looks like vick has cast his magic spell on everyone here
i guess his mcnabb-esque force to riley cooper will be ignored for 10 years ala ronde barber until everyone suddenly realizes he wasnt all that good to begin with
yup...vicks throw tonight was maybe worse than any mcnabb throw ever...and considering the spot it happened in.....last seconds of a playoff game.....it might have been as bad as any throw in football history
in the grand scheme of things its better than a mcnabb 4 and out with a bomb into double coverage on 4th and 10 but for the love god people....YOUR GODLY QB MISERABLY FAILED.
and youre all giddy at thought of sending kevin kolb to tennessee like hes so awful
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2011, 11:30:54 PM
and considering the spot it happened in.....last seconds of a playoff game.....it might have been as bad as any throw in football history
brett favre retires a week ago and he's already forgotten?
NO ONE GIVES A farg ABOUT BRETT FAVRE
do you want donovan mcnabb 2.0 faster and blacker or do you want someone who might be a real qb
when you take into consideration down distance circumstance ect....favre has never made a throw that bad
With the exception of 7m30s vs the Giants, the last month+ of the season Vick reverted back to Atl form. He made the year entertaining and enjoyable but I don't think he's the long term solution. Don't know if it's Kolb or someone else but I don't think the Eagles should spend the money it's going to take to keep him. Tag him and trade him.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 09, 2011, 11:39:10 PM
With the exception of 7m30s vs the Giants, the last month+ of the season Vick reverted back to Atl form. He made the year entertaining and enjoyable but I don't think he's the long term solution. Don't know if it's Kolb or someone else but I don't think the Eagles should spend the money it's going to take to keep him. Tag him and trade him.
i say trade the one that will give you the highest return....like you said neither is the answer
ive been saying this for 3 years now but how do you know what kolb is?
hes started like 10 games in his career and has certainly shown he can play. if hes the starter im kind of excited.
i wouldnt trade cobb because i think he stinks or i know exactly how hes gonna turn out....id trade him if he brings in a haul...because he has shown absolutely nothing that would make you not wanna deal him...i mean regardless of what you think he will turn into....is anyone even remotely scared or nervous about trading kevin cobb
absolutely not
just a thought but if that tagged vick i could see miami throwing a disgusting package at andy for him
they obviously need to rid themselves of chad henne and ownership is desperate to make a splash to combat the lebron stuff
then vick goes
like i said i trade whoever brings back the highest return
then trade for a good defense
i think we know how andy rolls and i think we know how theyre going to "build" their defense
There are teams all over the NFL that need a QB. So many bad QBs in the NFL that 3 teams with crap QBs (NYJ, SEA, KC) and one team with Jay Cutler made the playoffs. Arizona tried like 4 guys and they all sucked.
If Vick and Kolb are both back in 2011 and the rest of the team still has the major holes it does now, it's disgusting. Of course I could see the Eagles trading one for draft picks and the Eagles taking a Trevor Laws and a Bryan Smith that change nothing, which would be even worse.
As many times as Vick's awful final throw plays in my mind, I'm still not ready to usher in the Kolb era.
The Eagles hold all the cards here. Unless they're blown away by an offer I'd just keep him. It's great he's locked up for another season.
And let's be honest. Letting Vick walk or franchising him and trading him would be disastrous. The skill players all want to have Vick's man-babies, and he is a great quarterback. It's hard for some people to look at things clearly when his performance definitely tailed off at the end of the year and culminated in an awful decision to end the season, but Vick is a game changer while Kolb is a game manager (albeit maybe a really good one).
So, give Kolb his wish, and sign someone serviceable to back up Vick. Just not Vince Young.
The only way Kolb exists is if the oline gets fixed and our coach, hopefully a new one, can run a logical offensive game plan.
you've now reached ray finkle status
Mussa got a sex change?
Fixated on laces out, which in this case is Andy Reid
That makes sense. Good thing too because Mussa would make a disgusting looking chick.
I def would, ha
Don't get me wrong, you're a disgusting looking dude too. In fact, you're so ugly that you're one of the few people on earth who would not benefit from having a set of tits.
:-D
Quote from: MDS on January 09, 2011, 11:44:46 PM
ive been saying this for 3 years now but how do you know what kolb is?
hes started like 10 games in his career and has certainly shown he can play. if hes the starter im kind of excited.
You would be more excited with Kolb as the starter than Vick.
Really.
Sarge, that's a compliment :-*
QuoteIs Kevin Kolb The Next Aaron Rodgers?
By Brad Wilbricht
Posted Feb 15, 2011
The similarities between quarterbacks Kevin Kolb and Aaron Rodgers can't be denied, something the Cardinals need to recognize.
Aaron Rodgers broke through in a big way this season. Rodgers had been on the cusp of becoming a top tier signal caller in the NFL but cemented that status following an MVP performance and a win in Super Bowl XLV. Now, Rodgers must build on the tremendous foundation he and the Green Bay Packers have built but that leads to the question: who will be the next Rodgers?
With the Arizona Cardinals in desperate need of a new quarterback, coach Ken Whisenhunt and Co. are hoping whoever they end up with will be the next Rodgers. One name that appears to fit most of the criteria is Kevin Kolb.
Kolb is currently boxed in behind the resurgent Michael Vick with the Philadelphia Eagles. Like Rodgers, Kolb sat behind a long-time starting quarterback for multiple seasons before seeing extended action. In case you missed it, Rodgers had Brett Favre and Kolb had Donovan McNabb.
The Packers faith in Rodgers was obvious as soon as they parted ways with one of the greatest players in the history of the game. At the time many people in Green Bay felt Favre was disrespected throughout the process, but Rodgers' performance made the memory of football's iron man quickly fade.
Meanwhile, the Eagles felt good enough about Kolb to trade McNabb to the Washington taterskins and hand the keys to Kolb entering the 2010 season. Sure, Kolb's initial stint as a starter didn't pan out like Rodgers, but the fact that Philadelphia cut ties with McNabb shows what Kolb could be capable of
With Vick lurking in the shadows, Kolb's leash was shorter than Rodgers. A concussion led to Vick's insertion into the starting lineup, preventing Kolb's potential breakout season in the City of Brotherly Love.
Now with the Eagles committed to Vick – at least in the short term – Kolb's future is up in the air. Many of the Cardinal faithful are hoping that future will involve him coming to Arizona.
It's safe to say that the Cardinals' quarterbacks were the worst of the 32 teams in the NFL this season. Arizona's rotation under center consisted of Derek Anderson, Max Hall, John Skelton and even Richard Bartel. Skelton provides the team with the biggest hope for the future but the four names listed above tell the story. Fresh blood at the position is an absolute necessity next season.
Along with Kolb, several other names have surfaced as potential suitors in the desert. Marc Bulger is a popular one. Carson Palmer wants nothing to do with the Cincinnati Bengals and is usually involved in the conversation. Kyle Orton, Matt Flynn and the list goes on and on. Numerous players would provide an upgrade over last season but Kolb would be the most promising of the bunch.
There have also been talks of taking another stab at a quarterback in the draft. Given how the Matt Leinart saga played out and the uncertainties of each prospect in this year's draft, that ending could be even more damaging than the first time around with Leinart.
After all, Leinart's release just days prior to the start of the regular season led to the ongoing problems throughout the year. Will Whisenhunt and the front office feel comfortable with Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton, Jake Locker or Ryan Mallett experiencing success as a rookie? Let's hope not.
That leads us back to Kolb, whose similarities with Rodgers can't be denied. Both were allowed time to learn in quarterback friendly systems. Both learned behind a Pro Bowl caliber player. Both spent time with very stable organizations.
Kolb (6-foot-3, 218 pounds) and Rodgers (6-foot-2, 225 pounds) also boast comparable size and demonstrate similar skill-sets: a strong arm, a quick release and the ability to move in the pocket and make plays down the field.
Could Kolb develop into the next Rodgers? Absolutely. All he needs is a ticket out of Philadelphia. Arizona would be smart to provide that ticket, and despite the costly
It would certainly be our luck if he turns out to be the next Rodgers.
Pretty sure no one is going to become the next Rodgers in Arizona, even with Larry Fitz.
no chance
numerous football luminaries on this board (J, pg, mpmcgraw) have unequivocally said that kolb sucks.
if their baseless opinions dont convince than you than im not sure what will.
Also, Munson said that he has a noodle arm.
rodgers is so physically superior to cobb it isnt even funny and its a terrible comparison...if cobb hits his ceiling he still would never be another AR
its more like can kevin cobb become the next matt hasselback
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 16, 2011, 12:27:35 PM
rodgers is so physically superior to cobb it isnt even funny and its a terrible comparison...if cobb hits his ceiling he still would never be another AR
its more like can kevin cobb become the next matt hasselback
Probably...but I'm glad the Kolb hype machine is in full effect. People saying he could be the next Aaron Rodgers and Pro-Bowl WRs wanting him can do nothing but drive up his value.
absolutely....while 99% of the gm's out there are smarter than us and know cobbs upside theres also always a dumbest guy in the room
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 16, 2011, 12:47:25 PM
theres also always a dumbest guy in the room
MDS doesn't appreciate you speaking ill of him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 16, 2011, 12:47:25 PM
theres also always a dumbest guy in the room
I don't see him. ???
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2011, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 16, 2011, 12:47:25 PM
theres also always a dumbest guy in the room
MDS doesn't appreciate you speaking ill of him.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2011, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 16, 2011, 12:47:25 PM
theres also always a dumbest guy in the room
MDS doesn't appreciate you speaking ill of him.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh jayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
still going to bat for 5 i see
Is Kolb really taller than Rodgers? Rodgers always struck me as a big dude. Kolb, not so much. No clue why.
Rodgers is waaay more mobile than Kolb. Better arm, better mobility. I don't see the comparison at all.
The second letter in both their last names is o. That's the closest similarity.
Kolb would be better off if he simply knew he wasn't mobile. He runs away (and backwards) too much. That said it is definitely a part of his game that would improve if he got to play more.
Anyway, he will probably be a good player and might win a Super Bowl with a good surrounding cast, so just go ahead and mentally prepare yourself for that.
Knock it off with that.
Boners
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6384866/27679808
QuoteKolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal
Posted on: February 27, 2011 9:44 am
After interviewing GMs and coaches at this week's NFL scouting combine, I'd be surprised if the Philadelphia Eagles don't wind up trading quarterback Kevin Kolb. There just seems to be too much interest in the guy -- and too many teams willing to bid on him -- for the Eagles not to consider a move.
The Eagles haven't said that Kolb is for sale, but they haven't said he isn't, either. Coach Andy Reid is a staunch supporter of Kolb and wants to keep him -- as he should. Kolb is young, he is proven and he is under contract for another season. Plus, he backs up Michael Vick, whose wide-open style of play makes him a virtual certainty to be hurt next season ... or any season.
But the Eagles may be offered a deal they can't refuse. They're in a position not unlike the one they had last year with Donovan McNabb ... except that Kolb has a future. McNabb had a year left on his contract, too, and the Eagles had to decide to keep him one season or get what they could for him when they could.
The situation is similar, except Philadelphia isn't shopping Kolb. According to people at this week's combine, clubs are calling the Eagles and are eager to make a deal. And you can see why. This year's draft class isn't strong at quarterback, with no clear No. 1. Plus, it falls off sharply after Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton, and there's no certainty that either of those guys can make it. So that makes Kolb that much more attractive. He has started, he has won and he's 26.
The question, of course, is what it will take to get him. The Eagles years ago shipped backup A.J. Feeley to Miami for a second-round draft pick, but Kolb isn't A.J. Feeley. He's much better and more desirable. They traded McNabb last spring for second and fifth-round draft choices, but Kolb's best years are ahead of him where McNabb's were not.
So now the question: What will Kolb command?
"I guarantee you it will be high," said one coach. "The Eagles always shoot high."
That means a first-rounder and something else, probably another high draft pick, and while that exceeds what Houston quarterback Matt Schaub commanded when the Falcons traded him -- for a flip of first-rounders and two No. 2s -- apparently it hasn't dismayed suitors. Several clubs said they heard there's a bidding war on for Kolb, with clubs desperate to fill the most important position. You can figure that Arizona, San Francisco and Minnesota probably are involved, with all desperate to fill quarterback openings, but they're not saying, and either are the Eagles.
All I know is how Philadelphia operates, which is to set the bar high and deal only if they get what they want. A year ago the club went to the NFL scouting combine with Michael Vick available for the right price, which was a second-round pick. But it didn't budge because there was little or no interest. Vick hadn't played in two years and barely played in a third, with teams concerned he might never be the quarterback he was with Atlanta. So they backed off, and the Eagles kept him.
But league sources seem to believe Philadelphia can and will get what it demands for Kolb, partly because he is proven, partly because he has a future and mostly because he's better than what's available in the draft.
Of course, if and when there's a lockout next week, there can be no trades. Deals would be put on hold until a settlement is reached, and there's no indication a settlement is near. That could complicate or sabotage a trade if a work stoppage goes beyond the April 28-30 draft, with teams no longer able to offer picks in return.
Nice.
I would even do the swap of 1's and two #2's like the Schaub deal.
Get up and get a stud CB.
No way in hell they get 2011 picks for Kolb. After they lockout on Thursday, the two sides have no real motivation to do shtein until September. We're gonna be looking at 2012 to get comped for Kolb.
...In which case, it would be bad unless they also get a valuable player in return.
Kolb is proven? Wha?
He has something like 5-6 starts and has won NFC Offensive player of the week in two of them. He's proven compared to draft picks who have never done anything in the NFL or backups who have never started.
I'll accept that qualification, but it's faint praise. He may be less of a gamble than a rookie QB, but he's still a considerable gamble.
QuoteESPN's Adam Schefter reports that "at least" three NFL teams are considering a trade for Kevin Kolb.
The 49ers, Cardinals, Titans, and taterskins are among the most likely suitors for Kolb, and Schefter confirms that "every NFC West team except St. Louis" should be in the mix. If a CBA is struck before the draft, it sounds like the Eagles are going to have more than enough suitors to drive up Kolb's price tag. It's very conceivable that they could end up with a top-ten pick.
http://rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/201536/...ting-kolb-trade
gotta love this line...
Quote
Schefter confirms that "every NFC West team except St. Louis" should be in the mix.
take your pick on backups
-seneca wallace
-matt hasselbeck
-alex smith
-marc bulger
-chad pennington
-tarvaris jackson
-bruce gradkowski
-sexy rexy
when kolb goes, as he should, they got to get someone out of that lot. we're talking about holding the fort down for the inevitable 2-4 games vick will miss.
I'd probably take Hasselbeck as a backup. He's old, but he's well versed in the wco and has always had above average mobility. He's also by far the most accomplished QB on that list.
Whoever they wind up drafting in the 3rd round to be Vick's eventual replacement. Duh.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2011, 02:49:01 PM
I'd probably take Hasselbeck as a backup. He's old, but he's well versed in the wco and has always had above average mobility. He's also by far the most accomplished QB on that list.
hed be ideal but id figure he can go somewhere where he can play or at least compete for a job
realistically pennington or gradkowski or wallace are the logical bets id think.
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2011, 02:45:51 PM
take your pick on backups
-seneca wallace - check
-matt hasselbeck - check
-alex smith - hell no
-marc bulger - intriguing
-chad pennington - no way
-tarvaris jackson - forget about it
-bruce gradkowski - check
-sexy rexy - hell would have to freeze over
if you want pennington as an insurance policy back up qb then you better have a damn good third stringer
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2011, 02:59:21 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2011, 02:49:01 PM
I'd probably take Hasselbeck as a backup. He's old, but he's well versed in the wco and has always had above average mobility. He's also by far the most accomplished QB on that list.
hed be ideal but id figure he can go somewhere where he can play or at least compete for a job
realistically pennington or gradkowski or wallace are the logical bets id think.
You said to chose my backup, not be realistic.
Although I don't think it's that unrealistic either. The only team that would make sense to want Hasslebeck as a starter would be San Fran but I don't think he'd be interested in going there. I think at this point in his career he'd rather be the backup of a team that's got legit SB aspirations instead of being the starter of a team looking to compete for the playoffs.
Pennington is tempting because he's a very good QB when healthy. But he's never healthy. It might sound goofy, but I'll take a low risk/high reward flyer on a starting qb before I ever would on a backup. Even for the vet minimum I'd stay away from him, especially with the current oline problems.
Gradkowski is the only young, not injury prone QB on that list who still has some upside imo.
isnt pennington retiring?
He was going to, but blew out his shoulder mid-signature.
lol
Yeah sarge! :-D
King reported, and McLane confirmed, that they have an offer for a #1 pick for Kolb once the mess gets straightened out.
McLane speculates that its #25 from SEA
San Fran, Az and Tennessee all can and should do better than that. And if I'm the Eagles, I try to avoid making a move with Kolb until I've signed a reliable backup.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2011, 04:38:12 PM
He was going to, but blew out his shoulder mid-signature.
I had to join this website because I laughed so hard at this. You guys are farging hilarious.
your standards are really low
It'd be nice if Ried could get a 1st for Kolb, that'd be like 3 4th rounders.
i like this guy
Apparently, my quick wit was the major selling point in getting him in here. I really hope this guy doesn't end up sucking.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 21, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
Apparently, my quick wit was the major selling point in getting him in here. I really hope this guy doesn't end up sucking.
The initial signs aren't promising
My point exactly.
I dont think Kolb is going anywhere because I dont believe a deal will get done before the draft. Smith has seemed to 'full retard' in his negotiations tactics. I read the NFL doesnt want to talk to settlement lawyers so I'm assuming they think they can win in court.
Ried seems to be on his way out and I think he is in a must win season (atleast a playoff game). All this leads me to believe if he doesnt go before draft he wont go at all this year, which would leave us with getting nothing for him next year when he leaves, which seems in line with some of the decisions management usually makes.
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Personally, I don't think Reid is on his way out, at least not as long as they are selling out the Linc. With Vick (Reid decision) they became one of the top 3 or 4 most watched teams.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 21, 2011, 04:14:47 PM
Personally, I don't think Reid is on his way out, at least not as long as they are selling out the Linc. With Vick (Reid decision) they became one of the top 3 or 4 most watched teams.
True, but with Vick playing Atlanta-esq in the end of the season, teams learning how to play him again and Reids inability to adjust patience is wearing thin. I think it will be hard to justify keeping him if we go another year without a playoff win. They'll probably try to take more power from him and he'd just leave on his own terms at the end of the year.
i cant imagine the eagles not selling out the linc in reids lifetime much less his eagle coaching career so if thats the standard by which they will judge andy then hes here for life
The Eagles will most definitely go through a period of suckage where they don't sell out every game. It's part of the ebb and flow of the game. And if they don't get back to making deep playoff runs, you may start to see it sooner rather than later in this crappy economy.
you mean no shows....because with the small number of non sbl seats and a large waiting list theres little to no chance there are actual non sellouts in the next 25 years
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2011, 02:35:17 PM
King reported, and McLane confirmed, that they have an offer for a #1 pick for Kolb once the mess gets straightened out.
McLane speculates that its #25 from SEA
I think the Eagles can do a lot better, like a higher pick or a second. Reid and King are supposedly good friends so this could be one of two things:
1. Reid is feeding King legit info
or.
2. Reid is trying to drum up interest for Kolb and knows putting this out there will do so.
Regardless, at the very least I think they either get a top 20 pick for him or a late 1st and a 2nd or 3rd.
clearly the eagles are the source of all these reports...doesnt mean they werent offered a one but its far from a given that its happened
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2011, 06:42:46 PM
you mean no shows....because with the small number of non sbl seats and a large waiting list theres little to no chance there are actual non sellouts in the next 25 years
I agree that sellouts will be harder to come by because season tickets will always be sold and ticket "brokers" are scooping up the majority of single game seats the minute the phone lines open up. So even if they can't sell those tickets, they already count towards a sellout. But if the Eagles were to go through a 3-5 year period of awful football....say 6-10 at best in any 1 of those seasons, then I'd say there's a good chance of missing sellouts. Timing plays a big role too......should the Eagles field a really bad team for a few years while the economy is down, brokers and such will stay away as will the fans and there will be lots of unsold seats.
It's a long shot, I give you that. But a lot can happen in 25 years. Hell, look where the 49ers were 25 years ago compared to today.
http://www.csnphilly.com/03/21/11/Source-Arizona-expressing-most-interest-/landing_eagles_loud3r.html?blockID=445548&feedID=704
Now the Cards are in the mix.
very nice
DO IT
The fifth pick in the entire farging draft for Kevin Kolb?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's retarded times infinity. Now maybe Kolb & the Eagles 1st for the 5th pick, I might buy it, but come on...
if you think hes a franchise qb its more than worth it
arizona has to do something to match bradford. and to keep larry fitz from leaving.
I have no doubt that there's a team out there who thinks Kolb is a starter. But a franchise player? Not even Reid could sell that sack of manure.
hes not going to be peyton manning but theres no reason to believe he isnt capable of making a pro bowl here or there and winning a title
would you give up a first rounder for that? especially when what appears to be the next great qb is in your own division?
you got to love the fact that just because reid drafted mcnabb, and kolb ran his west coast offense somewhat efficiently that he is now noted as a franchise qb to desperate teams across the league.
now theres no reason to believe he cant win a title too. thanks for the 1st rounder.....kevin for life!
Quote from: Rome on March 21, 2011, 08:46:40 PM
I have no doubt that there's a team out there who thinks Kolb is a starter. But a franchise player? Not even Reid could sell that sack of manure.
If you're a team in need of a QB in this years draft would you rather take a chance with the 5th pick on the guys in the draft or a guy like Kolb who is somewhat proven and ready to step in?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 21, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
Apparently, my quick wit was the major selling point in getting him in here. I really hope this guy doesn't end up sucking.
Calipari, Coach K, Self, Wright ain't got shtein on you. Sarge, master at recruiting.
Until I see some evidence that the CBA is likely to be in place sometime within the next month, I assume Kolb will be traded for a 2012 draft pick.
theres no chance arz would give their 1st for cobb straight up....if theyd give it up at all it would be as romey said...their first for cobb and eagles first
Quote from: SD on March 21, 2011, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 21, 2011, 08:46:40 PM
I have no doubt that there's a team out there who thinks Kolb is a starter. But a franchise player? Not even Reid could sell that sack of manure.
If you're a team in need of a QB in this years draft would you rather take a chance with the 5th pick on the guys in the draft or a guy like Kolb who is somewhat proven and ready to step in?
Again it's about return. The fifth pick is hugely valuable. No way is Kolb's present or future worth comparable.
Quote from: SD on March 21, 2011, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 21, 2011, 08:46:40 PM
I have no doubt that there's a team out there who thinks Kolb is a starter. But a franchise player? Not even Reid could sell that sack of manure.
If you're a team in need of a QB in this years draft would you rather take a chance with the 5th pick on the guys in the draft or a guy like Kolb who is somewhat proven and ready to step in?
Especially if you're a coach or GM who needs to win now or you may lose your job.
Kolb isn't worth an early/mid 1st on paper but that isn't to say somebody won't overpay.
theres no guarntee of winning now with a really good qb much less a questionmark...football is the ultimate team sport
sure right now cobb might get you six wins and a rookie qb two or three....is that worth a top ten pick?
I dont think any team that is trading for kolb is only expecting 6 wins. Going 6-10 is friggin horrendous in this league. You spend that kind of value on a starting qb you better believe that the coaching staff you have in place and the players around him will get you at .500 or above to get you in the playoffs 1st year...like a seahawks.
Something a rookie qb--esp this class-- will not do or maybe never do. So, for the sucker team/coach that believes Andy Reid is a qb drafting god by all means its worth it.
Quote from: reese125 on March 22, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
Something a rookie qb--esp this class-- will not do or maybe never do. So, for the sucker team/coach that believes Andy Reid is a qb drafting god by all means its worth it.
if the the team doing it is a sucker then how is it worth it?....its only worth it if cobb becomes aaron rodgers but its much more likely he is aj feely and probably most likely hes somewhere in between....and you can get that anytime anywhere without giving up a top five draft pick....id rather have patrick peterson and john skelton than kevin cobb
and plenty of rookie qb's have won six games in the last five years....this isnt the old nfl...rookies can and do perform in todays league
Being able to work in the system leading up to the season is also a factor. The longer the work stoppage goes on, the less the value, overall.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2011, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: reese125 on March 22, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
Something a rookie qb--esp this class-- will not do or maybe never do. So, for the sucker team/coach that believes Andy Reid is a qb drafting god by all means its worth it.
if the the team doing it is a sucker then how is it worth it?....its only worth it if cobb becomes aaron rodgers but its much more likely he is aj feely and probably most likely hes somewhere in between....and you can get that anytime anywhere without giving up a top five draft pick....id rather have patrick peterson and john skelton than kevin cobb
and plenty of rookie qb's have won six games in the last five years....this isnt the old nfl...rookies can and do perform in todays league
the team trading for Kolb is the sucker meaning its worth it for the Eagles in every way.
bottom line is I think Kolb is going to be an average qb for years to come. so the hype around the league that is surrounding this guy right now because andy reid drafted him, and he is the next Aaron Rodgers is 1) hysterical 2) suckerish.
what you think is....man i dont know, perhaps the most pointless and baseless thing in the entire universe
its not about that. its about other teams valuing kolb and the eagles trying to get as much as they can for him. what you individually think of kolb and whatever random assumption youve come to could not be more useless in this, or any, situation.
yeah its hilarious how reece supposedly knows cobb will be average for his whole career but all the nfl gm's dont
they are all suckers and reece is a genius
hopefully GMs don't read this board
even our non-special needs poster likes my girl PG and Houston J are in the same boat
this isnt an aj feeley situation where the eagles are trying to get a steal. kolb is probably going to be a pretty solid qb in this league.
if youre a gm do you want to trade for some washed up over the hill vet like donovan or carson palmer. do you want to risk it with a young qb in the draft. or do you want to part with a first rounder for a ready to go young qb.
the third option doesnt seem too bad
Quote from: MDS on March 22, 2011, 03:59:17 PM
even our non-special needs poster likes my girl PG and Houston J are in the same boat
this isnt an aj feeley situation where the eagles are trying to get a steal. kolb is probably going to be a pretty solid qb in this league.
if youre a gm do you want to trade for some washed up over the hill vet like donovan or carson palmer. do you want to risk it with a young qb in the draft. or do you want to part with a first rounder for a ready to go young qb.
the third option doesnt seem too bad
the question isnt whether to trade for cobb its what do you give up for him...i hope im wrong but i cant see the eagles getting a top five pick for him
this is imo the most likely scenarios
a top 10 pick (and def the cards number 5) for cobb would require the eagles to include 23 in the deal and the team trading for him would throw in an additional pick or maybe two
a first rounder farther down the line and the eagles can end up with two number ones
i just cant believe arizona would trade a top 5 pick straight up for a qb that is slightly less of a question mark than some of the qb's in this draft
If you're willing to spend a top 5 pick on Newton or Locker, then why not Kolb? He may not have the physical attributes those guys do but I think his experience makes up for that. He may or may not be an all pro, but he's certainly proven that he can play and start in this league......more than any qb in the draft has, that's for sure.
oh i dont believe that either
but in relative terms the eagles got a 2nd rounder straight up for feeley and hes just a backup.
arizona has to do something. they need an answer to bradford and they need someone to throw the ball to fitzgerald.
maybe their 1 and an mid level eagles pick?
Yeah, I'm not saying that a team gives up a top 5 pick for Kolb straight up...they should def get something back from the Eagles, but no way do I think the Eagles should give up anything higher than a 4th round pick along with it.
Basically, you're spending your top 5 pick on Kolb and then getting a throw in pick that you hope turns into a starting fullback or safety.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2011, 03:54:26 PM
yeah its hilarious how reece supposedly knows cobb will be average for his whole career but all the nfl gm's dont
they are all suckers and reece is a genius
This coming from the guy that just said he would rather have John friggin Skelton than Kolb as his qb....but Im not allowed to make a prediction Kolb is going to be an average qb in the nfl? please. Ive said it since day one and I'm sticking to it. You of all people, the king of outlandish predictions, is going to knock someone else for their prediction? Cute.
Quotewhat you think is....man i dont know, perhaps the most pointless and baseless thing in the entire universe
its not about that. its about other teams valuing kolb and the eagles trying to get as much as they can for him. what you individually think of kolb and whatever random assumption youve come to could not be more useless in this, or any, situation.
no shtein migy....I couldnt of been any more clearer than that. once again what the farg are you talking about?
I'll just throw this all in here since it's Kolb-centric. Sal Pal was on with Mikey Miss earlier and said he's hearing Carolina is leaning heavily towards taking Cam Newton #1 overall. He thinks the Cardinals will act like they are going to take Gabbert but it wouldn't surprise him to see a team like the Skins move up and grab him. He thinks the later 1st rounder the Cards get could be used in a trade for Kolb. Said Arizona and the Eagles have the parameters for a Kolb trade set with a few details still needed to be ironed out. Thinks the lockout will end before the draft because the judge will rule in the players favor keeping the old CBA in place.
one more reason for mcnabb to feel bitter
Arizona says they'll give up next year's #1 for a QB like Kolb (http://arizonasports.com/category/cardinals-articles/20110502/Cardinals-could-give-up-first-round-pick-for-a-quarterback/)
lets hope they go 0-16
i'd take Wells and a #2
QuoteESPN's Adam Schefter considers the Cardinals the clear favorites to trade for Kevin Kolb.
Schefter believes there's "no doubt" the Eagles will deal Kolb, almost certainly to the Cardinals or Seahawks. "Right now, all signs point to Kevin Kolb somehow finding his way to Arizona," said Schefter, "which would make Larry Fitzgerald very happy, which would make the Cardinals an instant contender in the NFC West." This has been our read on the Kolb situation for some time. The return package figures to be a 2012 first-rounder plus another mid-round pick.
Couldn't they just hold onto him until after the seasons over and still get a 1st for him? They can still franchise him so it's not like he can just leave via free agency.
Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense to trade him now since the payoff isn't until next April. Might as well keep him as insurance if/when Vick goes down. Then again, there's a possibility this line will get him killed, in which case the Eagles would get nothing for him.
I have to think if the Eagles are going to move him before the season it either has to be for more than just a first...or maybe Arizona gives up a player like Dominque Rodgers Cromartie plus a 1st.
the risk is that vick gets hurt and kolb comes in and doesnt play well because he either isnt that good or the line sucks and his current all time high value drops
yea i mean if they can get a 1 for kolb now go on and get it
you can find insurance for vick in the form of matt hasselbeck or something. and insurance means like 1-2 fill-in starts hold the fort down. not take over permanently. if vick is gone for an extended period of time the season goes along with him
Well it seems obvious to me that they should trade the backup that would come in and play well if Vick gets hurt.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 03, 2011, 08:21:58 PM
Well it seems obvious to me that they should trade the backup that would come in and play well if when Vick gets hurt.
Quote from: MDS on May 03, 2011, 08:21:06 PM
yea i mean if they can get a 1 for kolb now go on and get it
you can find insurance for vick in the form of matt hasselbeck or something. and insurance means like 1-2 fill-in starts hold the fort down. not take over permanently. if vick is gone for an extended period of time the season goes along with him
Absolutely. Hassleback, Bulger, there's a shtein load of guys out there that could fill in.
You fools do know that no such thing will be happening, right? Get used to the "Eagles are high on Kafka," line.
I heard Henery can throw.
Sweet, he can free up two slots.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 03, 2011, 08:55:56 PM
You fools do know that no such thing will be happening, right? Get used to the "Eagles are high on Kafka," line.
im fine with that...whats it matter....the eagles cant win the superbowl with vick at qb...not sure why anyone would think not having kolb as a #2 would somehow jeopardize the season in any sort of meaningful way
So what you're saying is that you like Kafka?
Sucker.
no...just that if they are going to have a back up id rather they find out what they got with their own young qb....rather than know what i have from some no future journeyman like hasselback
The idea of keeping him because they can Franchise him next season is all well and good, but there may not be a Franchise tag in the new CBA. Assuming there is a new CBA.
Either way I agree with the fact you should trade him when his value is highest.
And why can't the Eagles win a Super Bowl with Vick?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on May 03, 2011, 09:10:52 PM
And why can't the Eagles win a Super Bowl with Vick?
their defense is an abomination
well yea but you still have to try
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2011, 09:11:35 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on May 03, 2011, 09:10:52 PM
And why can't the Eagles win a Super Bowl with Vick?
their defense is an abomination
I'll take the wait and see approach on their defense after FA. It can't get much worse than last years version.
probably not....but it also cant get superbowl contender good in one offseason either
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2011, 09:10:01 PM
no...just that if they are going to have a back up id rather they find out what they got with their own young qb....rather than know what i have from some no future journeyman like hasselback
But if Vick were to miss only one or two games like last season you'd want someone capable of stepping in and maybe getting a win or two.
Eli farging Manning won a Super Bowl. Of course Vick can win a Super Bowl.
Quote from: SD on May 03, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2011, 09:10:01 PM
no...just that if they are going to have a back up id rather they find out what they got with their own young qb....rather than know what i have from some no future journeyman like hasselback
But if Vick were to miss only one or two games like last season you'd want someone capable of stepping in and maybe getting a win or two.
doesnt really matter....if they have hasselback id be fine...but if i had the choice id rather see what kafka has in him...its more interesting to watch and its meaningful to the team
Quote from: Diomedes on May 03, 2011, 09:28:01 PM
Eli farging Manning won a Super Bowl. Of course Vick can win a Super Bowl.
im saying they arent winning a superbowl with vick THIS year not that vick could never win a superbowl....put him on eli's giant team and of course he could win one....god i hate this board when i have to explain shtein like this
Wait, why would you have to explain anything twice?
I'd take a 1 if that's the best deal.
Another risk nobody is talking about is that he really got his head scrambled. One more of those this year and his career could be in jeopardy.
Also, franchising him could be a last ditch resort. If the tag number is around $15 - $17 million, that's a pretty steep price for unproven with upside. He'd be smart to jump on that tender and tell teams he doesn't like to farg off. Worst case scenario the Eagles pull the tag before its deadline and cut him. He could then work his own deal and probably get more since the new team isn't giving up material. Then the Eagles get nothing but maybe an end of 3rd comp pick at best.
The Eagles need a balanced offense, an oline, a decent D and a smart coach to win. They have none.
The balanced offense thing is overrated in today's NFL, just look at the past two SB champs.
You don't need a balanced attack, what you do need is an effective ground game in case teams get smart and play good pass Defense. Sort of like what GB did in the playoff game against the Eagles, the Eagles played the pass so GB grounded it out.
point of attack
take a flyer
fastballs
high motor
balanced offense/balanced attack
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2011, 09:25:41 PM
probably not....but it also cant get superbowl contender good in one offseason either
The Eagles were one ill-advised pass to Riley Cooper from beating the eventual Superbowl Champion.
Quote from: Hawk on May 05, 2011, 07:11:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2011, 09:25:41 PM
probably not....but it also cant get superbowl contender good in one offseason either
The Eagles were one underthrown pass to Riley Cooper from beating the eventual Superbowl Champion.
the vikings easily beat the team that was one pass away from winning the superbowl errr beating the superbowl champions
With Joe farging Webb...
Feva out of left field.
And like that... He's gone!
Duces
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 05, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
Duces
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QuoteThe Arizona Cardinals remain the favorite to land Kevin Kolb, with conventional wisdom saying they will send at least one veteran player to Philly (and presumably a draft pick) in return.
There has been plenty of speculation about that player, ranging from the highly improbable (Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie) to the totally illogical (Patrick Peterson.)
Jim Trotter of Sports Illustrated has an idea on who the Eagles would like to get, and writes on Twitter that the name "will surprise" you.
So who could that be? (It's Fourth of July weekend. We could use some random holiday speculation.)
Well, the Eagles are thin at running back and the Cardinals could spare one. Our best guess is that the Eagles could be interested in Beanie Wells as a powerful complement to LeSean McCoy or Tim Hightower as a guy who could replace McCoy without changing the play calls.
Arizona has a great special-teamer/third-down back in LaRod Stephens-Howling. Rookie Ryan Williams figures to have a big role.
Looking at the rest of their roster, the team just doesn't have depth elsewhere they could easily trade away. The Cardinals could afford to give up one of their veteran backs.
hmmmm
My guess is he's traded for a pick (hopefully a 1st) and a backup defensive player.
Instead of that scenerio, would you rather see them take a 2nd and DRC instead? This defense has such a surplus of back up players that half of them are starters.
Trade him for a 1st, sign nnamdi, end of story. No DRC needed.
Quote from: DH on July 03, 2011, 08:37:11 AM
Trade him for a 1st, sign nnamdi, end of story. No DRC needed.
That would be a dream scenario. I wouldn't mind a 2nd and DRC. DRC isn't a shutdown CB but he's still a solid corner. I didn't realize Ike Taylor was 31, that being the case I'm against signing him. If they're going to go that route then they should have just kept Sheldon on the team. And yeah, I realize Nmandi is 30 but he's on a different level.
Mr. Mouthpiece on Sports Final last night said Kolb for DRC and a 2nd
I'll take a 1st and Nnamdi please
how is that even a possible trade?
Quote from: MDS on July 18, 2011, 08:01:58 PM
how is that even a possible trade?
Trade Kolb for a 1st rounder.
Sign Nnamdi as a FA.
That was hard.
they cant get a 1st rounder for him and dont have the money for nmandi
next
From the Arizona side of things:
Quote@XTRA910
@MikeJurecki on the #Cardinals QB search: "Kevin Kolb is the guy, Cardinals are prepared to offer DRC straight up...according to source"
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 18, 2011, 11:13:37 PM
From the Arizona side of things:
Quote@XTRA910
@MikeJurecki on the #Cardinals QB search: "Kevin Kolb is the guy, Cardinals are prepared to offer DRC straight up...according to source"
they're desperate for a QB. Philly needs another CB. I hope they can snatch a 2nd or 3rd to go along w/DRC
They definitely ought to get more than DRC straight up. Otherwise sign another FA CB and keep Kolb for another trade.
I'd be okay with them going Kolb/4th for DRC/2nd
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 19, 2011, 01:09:43 AM
They definitely ought to get more than DRC straight up.
why
He's worth more than just DRC. He's a young QB in a league that's starved for QBs...even adequate ones.
you are assuming teams like him that much...everything ever leaked about him being the bestest most coveted qb ever come from banner inc
im not saying they cant or wont get a pick with drc but it certainly shouldnt be a given and to say if drc is all they can get then dont do it and get more elsewhere is pretty bold...like banner inc is turning down all these great deals to make a worse deal with the cardinals...couldnt it perhaps be that there arent any better deals?
dont stare into the swirly lolipop
also cobb is 27...hes not that young
They'll be able to get a throw-in pick as well, I'm sure. Whether or not he's TRULY worth it, only time will tell. DRC isn't an automatic Pro Bowler either, by the way.
yeah but hes a proven good nfl starter at a critical position of need who just turned 25
cobb is a completely unknown quantity other than hed be a pretty damn good back up qb
drc and a 2nd....lock and load
If thats the case (and Nnamdi doesn't happen), I'd rather just keep Kolb and sign Ike Taylor or Carlos Rogers than trade him for DRC straight up. When Vick goes does down, Kafka sure as hell aint gonna be the guy that steps up.
lock and load, lol. igy the gun nut.
I'm with you DH. Why let Kolb go for so little.
ike taylor is old overrated and is going to get 10-11 mil per.....no thanks
id take rogers on the cheap
but them aside no matter what happens if cobb is traded i would be floored if kafka is the back up...im sure they would get a veteran
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...im sure they would get a veteran
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Quote from: Diomedes on July 19, 2011, 09:00:39 AM
Why let Kolb go for so little.
whats makes getting a good starting corner and a draft pick "so little"
when did kevin cobb become this lock down pro bowl type quarterback that would garner a #1 and a pro bowl starting caliber player because i missed all that
Quote from: SunMo on July 19, 2011, 09:02:44 AM
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...im sure they would get a veteran
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i cant tell if he actually has inside info or hes just winging it but gargano has been saying they are gonna get farve since like march
I can see Hasselbeck coming in..I'm pretty sure Andy worked with him in GB.
Matt Cassell netted NE a 1st..why should Kolb be any different?
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i cant tell if he actually has inside info or hes just winging it but gargano has been saying they are gonna get farve since like march
Please for the love of God Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
Quote from: DH on July 19, 2011, 09:16:41 AM
I can see Hasselbeck coming in..I'm pretty sure Andy worked with him in GB.
Matt Cassell netted NE a 1st..why should Kolb be any different?
cassell had started a full nfl season and threw 21 td's and won ten games
cobb has played a few games and thrown more ints than td's and has an under .500 record
cobb is probably closer right now to aj feely than matt cassell
that said i dont think a one is out of the question for cobb...but its just gonna be a one...not a one and a player....and id much rather have drc and a 2 or even drc straight up than a one
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i cant tell if he actually has inside info or hes just winging it but gargano has been saying they are gonna get farve since like march
Please for the love of God Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
it would pretty much make my year if they got him so i could see all you weirdo farve haters heads explode
im the opposite of a favre hater, but my head would still explode if he even so much as visited the novacare plex
i can't think of a better veteran backup, actually
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farg you all who are even suggesting something so ridiculously stupid and moronic. The thought makes my entire head :boom
that's because you're a hater and you can't rationally think on the subject.
or because he's an old waste and a bigger drama queen than me.
he's not a waste in a backup role.
put it this way, hes a better option than mike kafka
and there are better options. I'd rather my backup not be one hit away from hospice care.
The obvious answer is McNabb anyway.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 19, 2011, 01:16:28 PM
The obvious answer is McNabb anyway.
There is an unusually high level of truth in your expectedly snarky comment.
im IN on favre just to piss everyone off
starting qb = convicted dog fighter, vilified southern black man
backup qb = drug addicted dick texting old guy, vilified southern white man
can we place embrace the fact that everyone hates us (organization + fans + city) and stop getting pissy when people say eagles fans throw batteries, boo santa wahhh wahh wahh. farg em.
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i cant tell if he actually has inside info or hes just winging it but gargano has been saying they are gonna get farve since like march
Please for the love of God Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
it would pretty much make my year if they got him so i could see all you weirdo farve haters heads explode
:-D
Per Sal Pal, Kolb IS already searching for real estate in AZ.
Not to mention apparently he's already had workouts with Fitz on the d-low according to Rotoworld.
No reason to d-low those rumors..Donny used to work out with a bunch of non-eagles in Arizona every summer.
bedwetter worked out with eagles THIS summer
Has Kolb been going there with Mcnabb over the past years too?
Maybe next year he'll fly down from Minnesota to work with some taterskins.
ha, I forgot he did that..I dont think Kolb had been with him on those trips.
I know Ive been riding the Nnamdi train hard the last few months, but Ive watched almost every DRC video known to man recently, and I think I'd be OK with him coming here (with a 2nd) for KK - but only if he can be locked up longterm.
We all know that cornerback play is all dependent on d-line pressure and blitz schemes. When Arizonas line was beasting the year they went to the Superbowl DRC went to stud status.
Arizona fell off dramatically last year and DRC was seen as this average, very non-physical corner that gets beat a lot.
I don't see how the Eagles all of a sudden become this sack machine unless maybe they pick up Edwards from Minnesota (and he's still up and down) or someone else worth a damn on that side. If they do, DRC and Asante become one of the best tandems in football, if not he gets booed out of Philly.
um, jason babin, duh. that's how.
i have greatly missed the many editions of sports lessons 101 brought to you by reece
today kids we learned that a good pass rush can help out a cornerback
let me farg everyone minds up by throwing out this brain twister
is it possible that good corners corners could in turn help out a pass rush by giving them a little extra time to get to the qb
just sayin
When you say "we all know...." it's already pretty clear that you're not trying to teach anything, but you knew that because your reading and comp skills are cute.
To answer your question-sure a corner can make a line look good, but do you thinks it's just coincidence that his coverage skills eroded last year compared to just 2 years ago?
Just sayin professor.
you are completely missing the point
it really cant be calculated how much of an upgrade he is at the position and thats all that matters
would you rather have dmitri patterson and a zesty pass rush or rowcrow and a zesty pass rush
the d line will be addressed and taken care of or it wont...are you insinuating that they shouldnt get a good corner because the pass rush sucks?
rowcrow?? oh, cmon
Gonna be pretty pissed if all they get for Kolb is DRC
why?....three months ago we were hoping for a number one pick that probably would have been a fail
now they got a number one pick who is young as shtein and already a good player...and at a position they really need
im estatic about this move....anything more than drc is just icing on the cake...its probably going to be like a conditional three or four
Its 10AM - lets do this
Because DRC was terrible last season and a young QB has more trade value than a good CB has.
Yep.
Quote from: SD on July 26, 2011, 10:03:03 AM
Because DRC was terrible last season and a young QB has more trade value than a good CB has.
and a proven player is always better than a total questionmark...also cobb is two years older than cromartie...i dont consider 27 exactly young
also he wasnt terrible...but lets say he was...he was still better than cobb
you cant stare into the banner inc swirly lolipop otherwise youll think cobb is the next coming and they should be getting two ones or some crazy shtein like that...cobb was a second round pick who has been sub par thus far in his nfl time...not sure how much you really expect to get for him
three months ago the question was could the eagles even get a one for cobb or would it be like a two and a four...id say this is a very good deal when you consider they would have instead had some crappy draft pick(s) that might never contribute...and even if you dont think its a good deal to be pissed about it is pretty silly
Kolb isn't a 'total question mark'. The guy has NFL experience and has proven he can play in the league.
27 is young for a QB, especially one who doesn't have the wear and tear on his body like a guy like Vick has.
DRC was one of the best CBs in the league two seasons ago, but he fell off last season. I'm fine with him as the starter but a young QB with potential who has proven he can play in the league is worth more than a decent CB.
Kolb is easily worth a 1st or the equivalent to it, especially consiering what other QBs similar to him have gone for.
cobb threw more int's than td's last year (and in his career)...were he 22 and a rookie id say that doesnt matter but when you are 27 that hurts your value...he certainly hasnt proven he can be a starter in this league...hes probably proved to be a competant back up thus far
andy reid is also notorious for being able to make bad qb's look good in philly...that also has to be a concern to any team...especially since cobb has shown no overtly positive physical skills
so really he is not "easily" worth a one...could he have retrieved a one in return...probably a mid to low first if you could have found the right team...but even in that scenario id rather have drc than some unknown draft pick
Kolb's arm strength alone makes worth a one.
Quote from: Rome on July 26, 2011, 12:05:33 PM
Kolb's arm strength alone makes worth a one.
He doesn't have the zip on the ball like you'd like *cue 84 yard pass to Desean Jackson vs. the Saints*
So, um, so much for the MAYHEM that was supposed to ensure with the onset of free agency. Color me bored.
Pretty sure they can only talk to free agents, not sign them yet. Friday, I think I read somewhere?
Domo saying that he was told there will be no Kolb trade announcements today
Quote from: Rome on July 26, 2011, 12:51:28 PM
Pretty sure they can only talk to free agents, not sign them yet. Friday, I think I read somewhere?
true
but you can bet long before friday you will be hearing about agreed upon deals being made...they just cant officially sign them until friday
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 26, 2011, 12:53:09 PM
Domo saying that he was told there will be no Kolb trade announcements today
they are likely trying to agree on what the conditons of the draft pick should be
Or they're seeing what Seattle really wants to offer them.
so hasselbeck isnt going back to seattle and seattle just got a qb not named kevin kolb
yea howie
They signed Tavaris Jackson. If that precludes them from getting Kolb.......rofl.
FWIW Gunner is reporting that there are several teams still interested in Kolb and that is why they Eagles are not in such a hurry to trade him.
Sal Pal was saying the Cards might go after Orton instead of making a play for Kolb. They don't want to overpay for Kolb. I say ship him elsewhere.
Seattle getting Leinart too. Doesn't matter. Team would be better with Kolb and Nnamdi than Favre and DRC.
I'd rather roll on the floor laughing than hitch my wagon as a coach to Tavaris farging Jackson.
Wouldn't this be grand?
Seattle decides to roll with Jackson, Leinart and whoever else
Arizona trades for Orton
Joe and Howie are left with their dicks in their hands with nowhere to ship Kolb
didnt you hear? other teams want kolb.
OTHER TEAMS
honestly other than age...and its not that big a difference....why would anyone want cobb over orten
Quote from: MDS on July 26, 2011, 07:06:17 PM
didnt you hear? other teams want kolb.
OTHER TEAMS
I'm baffled by this as well. It's not like this is pre-draft where a shtein load of teams were still in the market for him. Who are these 'other teams'.
are you questioning joe and howie?
Jason Cole of Yahoo said the Eagles are trying to play the leverage game and its a pricey game to play.
I agree.
this is what happens when accountants pretend to be general managers
You guys are idiots and also sub-par human beings. The sky has fallen because the team who was supposedly in 2nd place to acquire Kolb is out of the market?
Who. Cares. Shut. Up.
what else do you expect out of a zealot
they want corporations to take over the world and thats basically what happened to the eagles. so like any good follower he blindly believes his corporate overloads have his best interest at heart.
always
Let's just say there are multiple notches in between your retardation and my opinion of this front office, and even more beyond, and leave it at that.
What's especially hilarious is this up against the lens of super hairless armpit Braves fan complaining about MLB trade rumors.
you are losing it again
jesus shut up mike mike this is the kind of stuff that gets ff to get up and quit
(clears throat) north carolina is a terrific place to live. i trust the eagles front office. republican ideals are understandable and respectable.
Not hardly. In fact I can't wait for these iceholes to farg something up. But I simply don't think that 9 hours without a Kolb deal proves that they played the market badly. Nuts, right?
It could be much worse, my buddy is a Seahawks fan and they now have Whitehurst, Jackson, and Leinart to compete for the starting job.
Three on the same field at the same time! How do you gameplan for that!
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 26, 2011, 07:42:40 PM
It could be much worse, my buddy is a Seahawks fan and they now have Whitehurst, Jackson, and Leinart to compete for the starting job.
dont get me wrong id much rather be the eagles but the seahawks are shooting for seven wins in their divison...the eagles are shooting for the superbowl
I certainly could see the Eagles farging this up, but it sounds like both sides want to get this deal done.
Its funny on my way home from work today on NFL radio they were talking about how smart the Eagles were playing this......hopefully they don't outsmart themselves.
Jesus H Christ, DMF! You should know better than to listen to the idiots on NFL radio instead of the IGY/MDS braintrust. Duh.
theres no doubt in my mind they are playing the smartest guys in the room game again...they did the feely thing and got over on the mcnabb deal and now are trying to do that same and taking completely valid offers for cobb as slaps in the face...i still think they get a good deal done...but theres no doubt in my mind that the eagles asking for too much (driven by ego) is what is holding this thing up right now
Agreed. Dumb idea to try to get the best possible deal.
they spent a #2 to get kolb. if they get a #2 and a starting cornerback, i can't see how any reasonable fan could see that as a zesty deal.
best deal is different from realistic deal
drc and a conditional pick = best deal
two ones = unrealistic banner inc deal
plus they have had almost eight months to determine the market for cobb....they know what they can get
Did anyone hear say that? Has there been some kind of confirmation that the Eagles turned down an offer like that?
they havent taken it...yet
Quote from: MDS on July 26, 2011, 07:58:32 PM
they havent taken it...yet
they will....just gonna let howie run amuck for a day or two and embarrass himself around the league again
Pretty sure the best they're going to get is a conditional 6th and a dust bin of table scraps. His value is absolutely nothing now that the Seahawks nabbed Tarvaris Jackson.
lol
its drc and a conditional or a 2012 one
thats it thats the list
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2011, 08:04:58 PM
its drc and a conditional or a 2012 one
thats it thats the list
And? I'm still trying to figure out if your expert opinion leads you to believe the deal has already been blown by the nerds in the FO. Sounds like no?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2011, 07:52:55 PM
theres no doubt in my mind they are playing the smartest guys in the room game again...they did the feely thing and got over on the mcnabb deal and now are trying to do that same and taking completely valid offers for cobb as slaps in the face...i still think they get a good deal done...but theres no doubt in my mind that the eagles asking for too much (driven by ego) is what is holding this thing up right now
RIFFY RIF RIF RIFFFY RIF RIF RIF
Prisco says "Cardinals still trying to figure out the price the Eagles want for Kolb"
is it really this hard?
maybe their Yiddish translator lost his job during the lockout
apparently they're fighting over the draft pick. The Eagles want a #1 + DRC but AZ is only offering the rumored #2 + DRC
smartest farging guys in the room
chip in a 3rd or 4th back to zona for the 1 and DRC and call it a day. please.
If they screw this up because of the difference of a 1 and 2 they're morons
Should that be a surprise to anyone?
I'd take a 2 but not less. But it really comes down to if DRC will want a sizable new contract or not. He's cheap now, but if they have to pay full market value up front with a new contract to make him happy, they may as well just go after another FA corner and keep Kolb.
Quotetimring3TV Tim Ring
I'm told the Eagles are trying to "win the deal" rather than making a fair deal, shaking hands and moving on.
shocked
Throw in a 2nd or 3rd rounder to try and pry away the first rounder, otherwise take the DRC+2nd deal
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 26, 2011, 11:48:43 PM
Quotetimring3TV Tim Ring
I'm told the Eagles are trying to "win the deal" rather than making a fair deal, shaking hands and moving on.
shocked
lol beyond comprehension
its par for the course with them but its just sickening to see
Leave it to Banner Inc. to risk farging up the easiest trade in NFL history because they're trying to be greedy. Just understand that you're already stealing from AZ if you get a 2nd & DRC and get the farg outta there! Holding out for a 1st (especially since SEA too away some leverage) is gonna make the whole deal fall apart.
I'm not going to be too quick to jump on the FO here because we don't know what else they might have in the works. If they could also land one of the top 3 FA CBs instead, no sense settling for a mediocre deal.
yo feva if you see lindsay czarniak around bristol tell her matt is still waiting for her back in dc once she dumps that news anchor chump. she knows who i am. Probably not good things though.
lol
Honestly, I kinda hope the deal falls through. But I figure if I'm gonna hope for that, I might as well hope for a total season meltdown. Vick gets hurt because the fireman whiffs on a block. Kolb comes in and and completely shteins the bed. Jackson holds out all year. Akers kicks 15 PATs against the Eagles this year, all of them while standing backwards. Asante and Castilo bitch about each other through the media all year long.
And Andy says they're fine there
Quote from: phattymatty on July 27, 2011, 12:04:26 AM
yo feva if you see lindsay czarniak around bristol tell her matt is still waiting for her back in dc once she dumps that news anchor chump. she knows who i am. Probably not good things though.
Word. If I'm having a conversation with a fine piece of ass like that... I'll definitely talk about YOU. Definitely.
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 27, 2011, 12:03:05 AM
I'm not going to be too quick to jump on the FO here because we don't know what else they might have in the works. If they could also land one of the top 3 FA CBs instead, no sense settling for a mediocre deal.
What's mediocre about it? Kolb was a 2nd round pick that nobody even knew existed outside of Houston. This deal not only re-coups that 2nd rounder (4 years later), but brings a pro-bowl CB as well. I'd say that's pretty damn good.
Quote
What's mediocre about it? Kolb was a 2nd round pick that nobody even knew existed outside of Houston. This deal not only re-coups that 2nd rounder (4 years later), but brings a pro-bowl CB as well. I'd say that's pretty damn good.
Oh, I don't think a 2nd would be mediocre, I just wouldn't want to see them take much less. Ike Taylor re-upping with the Steelers doesn't help the Eagles case though.
I haven't heard anything about what Kolb wants as far as salary. Could that have anything to do with the hold up as well?
He's under contract on the cheap this year.
I can't see any team trading for him without some sort of extension in place. Otherwise he could be a one year rental.
nm
Andrew Brandt says he thinks that the deal is basically done but AZ wants to renegotiate. He also said its the same deal with McNabb to the Vikings and Orton to Miami.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 26, 2011, 11:25:01 PM
apparently they're fighting over the draft pick. The Eagles want a #1 + DRC but AZ is only offering the rumored #2 + DRC
I'd be thrilled with DRC and a 2nd, if this is indeed true and they don't take this offer then farg them.
I can see if they were only offering DRC - if that was the case I wouldn't mind holding onto Kolb for the season. He fills a need as a backup, and the Eagles would still control his rights because they can tag him. It's not like it's now or never.
There's no chance the deal's all-but in place. No way Roseman can close a deal that's any good. I hate everything he does regardless of whether or not it makes football sense. The Eagles will finish in last place as long as he's the GM. farg him and all of you too.
Heard on the radio just now that they might have interest in Daryl Washington as well as DRC in a trade for Kolb. Might take Washington and the first as opposed to DRC in the second???
Cards beat writer for the AZ Republic:
Quotekentsomers
Hearing there has been progress in Eagles-Cardinals trade talks for Kolb. Don't know more than that.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/07/drc-available-as-a-jersey-option-on-eagles-website.html (http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/07/drc-available-as-a-jersey-option-on-eagles-website.html)
maybe someone killed howie and a real gm took over
I just checked that out and it's true....hmmm...
available in green too (http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/Philadelphia-Eagles-Green-Custom-Authentic-Jersey-_-228408591_PD.html)
cobbs jersey isnt gone tho
Sounds like someone gonna get fired.
Warrick Dunn anyone?
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 27, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Sounds like someone gonna get fired.
Is there any possible way it can be MDS? Let us pray.
So is this shtein finished?
drc jersey taken down
Good thing I ordered mine before they did.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 27, 2011, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 27, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Sounds like someone gonna get fired.
Is there any possible way it can be MDS? Let us pray.
He can only dream of being Spadaro's lackey.
DGunn says Kolb deal close, stay tuned.
ha....as usual dgunn right on top of things
My assumption is that he's just trying to guess so he looks smart if it happens soon.
NFL Network says Dolphins are in serious trade talks for Orton and a trade could go down today. That'll take away AZ's safety net.
Quotekenrosenthal
Breakingnews #Kolb heading to Seattle for #Tyson Gilles, Phillip Aumont, and JC Ramirez
lol :boom
Tell me that shtein ain't true...
king reporting that cobb will probably happen tomorrow
ESPN reporting Kolb for DRC "by end of the week"
Maybe need time to draw up new contracts for the players?
Apparently DRC IS on his way to...
Oh, nevermind.
This offseason has been worse than sitting in a free clinic waiting with your girlfriend for an abortion appointment.
Amirite?!?
That's usually a good thing, lifer!
The DRC thing is now being used as fodder for the national pundits.
:yay
ESPN referring to Kolb as "the much needed veteran qb".
Quote from: Don Ho on July 27, 2011, 05:27:32 PM
ESPN referring to Kolb as "the much needed veteran qb".
they spelled orton wrong
anyone see the colleen dominguez report?
says the sticking point is the pick...eagles want a non conditional second...cards want the pick to be a conditional 3rd/4th...she still expects it to get done no later than friday as the cards go to camp then and want cobb with them
From Jim Trotter (SI.com):
Az will surrender DRC, a No. 2 pick & a new contract for kolb that likely includes AT LEAST $30 million guaranteed. i'd rather have orton.
Caplan says that teams have asked permission to talk to Kolb's people about contract terms. And then he confirmed that there were indeed multiple teams.
Clayton saying Miami is still in the mix
Feeley Part deux?
Caplan reporting that "significant progress" has been made with the Cardinals over the last few hours, with regards to the draft pick component of the deal and also the long-term deal for Kolb.
We've speculated for the past few months it's going to be DRC and a 2nd, how unexciting is it going to be when they announce that's what the deal is?
I'll be excited because it meant they've finally stopped dicking around and got the deal done before they blew it.
ill be excited because it means trevard lindley isnt the starting right corner
the most anti-climatic trade in nfl history is almost done according to twatter
Quote from: SunMo on July 28, 2011, 02:41:39 PM
the most anti-climatic trade in nfl history is almost done according to twatter
lol
I keep hearing the Cards are trying to work out an extension with him and there continues to be a holdup with the pick.
Caplan says it's done. Kolb's getting a $63m deal with $20m+ guaranteed.
DRC and a 2nd
i like Kolb and all, but this dude has gotten paid twice on potential, that's incredible.
Quote from: SunMo on July 28, 2011, 02:41:39 PM
the most anti-climatic trade in nfl history is almost done according to twatter
I see what you did there. Very clever.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 28, 2011, 02:49:05 PM
Caplan says it's done. Kolb's getting a $63m deal with $20m+ guaranteed.
insanity
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 28, 2011, 02:49:05 PM
Caplan says it's done. Kolb's getting a $63m deal with $20m+ guaranteed. insanity
I like how we are all so much better at evaluating talent then NFL GM's and coaches.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 28, 2011, 02:49:05 PM
Caplan says it's done. Kolb's getting a $63m deal with $20m+ guaranteed.
insanity
I thought the money didn't matter and the cap wasn't real.
it doesnt....and it has nothing to do wtih the cap....its just crazy that a guy who everyone knows isnt that good got that money
How does anyone know if he isn't or is that good? There is such a huge sample size to pull from.
He's not good enough to warrant that kind of money.
By the way, it is over $22 million in guarantees, per Clayton.
wtf lol
QBs get paid even guys that are only solid starters.
Good for him, and good for us, I guess. Now, here's to hoping DRC doesn't suck and that they can spend some energy on doing more that can help this team.
Honestly as Eagles fans as long as Reid is the coach for the Eagles we had better hope Kolb succeeds otherwise no one will ever trade for an eagles QB.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 28, 2011, 03:13:54 PM
QBs get paid even guys that are only solid starters.
except that right now hes a solid backup
i understand projecting and obviously they feel hes gonna be real good...i guess the suprise for me is that ive seen him play and dont see the bright future they do
20 million bucks fine...a second and drc fine...but both?...that seems overboard to me
didn't seem to matter after the AJ Feely fiasco for miami.
I have to give credit to the front office, they:
signed one of the top 5 QBs in the league in Michael Vick for peanuts
Traded a washed up QB for a 2nd and a 4th
Traded a QB with potential for DRC and a 2nd
So lets recap: DRC/Nate Allen/whoever they wound up with the 4th/another 2nd/Micahel Vick
For
Donovan Mcnabb and Kevin Kolb
Fool me once, shame on you (Feeley)
Fool me twice, shame on me (McNabb)
Fool me thrice, shame on ??? (Kolb, pending)
IGY I am not saying he will or won't be....but if you are gonna give up what AZ did you better hope he is damn near a pro-bowler.
I actually think he could do well. But I wouldn't be able to break the bank on that bet.
Quote from: SD on July 28, 2011, 03:21:34 PM
I have to give credit to the front office, they:
signed one of the top 5 QBs in the league in Michael Vick for peanuts
Traded a washed up QB for a 2nd and a 4th
Traded a QB with potential for DRC and a 2nd
So lets recap: DRC/Nate Allen/whoever they wound up with the 4th/another 2nd/Micahel Vick
For
Donovan Mcnabb and Kevin Kolb
They got their current starting MLB Casey Matthews! :D
That's right
I was just about to post he's lining up with the starters
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 28, 2011, 03:23:11 PM
IGY I am not saying he will or won't be....but if you are gonna give up what AZ did you better hope he is damn near a pro-bowler.
agreed
Quote from: SD on July 28, 2011, 03:55:10 PM
That's right
I was just about to post he's lining up with the starters
They do know it's not Clay, right?
Good luck Kolb! Bye.
Amusing thinking back two summers ago. If you would have told me in 2011 McNabb and Kolb would be gone and Vick would be the qb... :-D
banner negotiated the trade, not howie
:-[
Don't send a jewboy to do a jewman's job?
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 28, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Don't send a jewboy to do a jewman's job?
That got a snicker.
Looks like the banner up top needs more than a little updating...
For real. Might be time to do away with player faces altogether the way this team is turning over.
If they had cut Bunk as some media outlets had rumored, the white jerseyed players would all be OUT.
Kolbsy took a dig at the city of Philadelphia in his introductory presser. How could he possibly say Arizona is a cleaner, prettier place than Philly? I hope Jason Babin decapitates him!!4
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on July 29, 2011, 08:31:04 AMMight be time to do away with player faces altogether the way this team is turning over.
Seconded. We root for laundry.
Besides, judging from his almost non-existent presence in our happy little family,
Mad-Lad has a life. With things to do. No, not errands. Actual things like farging sexy women and jumping motorcycles. And definitely not updating banners with the hot jock celebrities of the year.
We should have faces up there, but not players. Instead let's go with our top 8 :CF personalities (in no particular order):
1. Easy Eddie
2. PG
3. IGY
4. MattySunny Doesn't have the dedication to post here as much as other places. Might even work for a living. OUT
5. J
6. ROME SD Can't handle Miller Lite. OUT
7. Dio
8. Sarge
Honorable mentions go to no one, because farg you. Especially rjs.
I'd like to thank God for this honor.
Funny, I'm thanking god that I didn't make that list. Inching back towards self respect.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 29, 2011, 05:22:10 PM
Funny, I'm thanking god that I didn't make that list. Inching back towards self respect.
Yes, we're on a separate list.
Me, You & Matty failed to make the list.
Matty should have made it because he gets more pelt than Davy Crockett. You should have made it because of your singular love of Miller Lite. I should have made it because without me there would be far fewer puns posted here.
So, in short...
Tail
Beer
Puns
The end.
Fixed. I was drunk all afternoon.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Kolb-meets-AZ-press-cracks-Philly-joke.html
You're so silly, Kevin. Shut up, douche.
farg that cracker
Joke? He's telling the 'effin truth! I've been to Philly AND Glendale AZ...no comparison...Philly has the east coast, industrial revolution feel to it. Glendale has a desert resort, tract home development feel to it.
This news is like 3 days old and it was never news anyway. In context, it was clear he was tongue-in-cheek and pandering to his new home/team. Also, he's right. Even Philly's biggest supporters aren't going to say it's because it's a picturesque slice of heaven.
glendale = applebees
philly = the palm
Let's go get kicked out of an Applebee's.
isn't the palm a NY chain?
QuoteWelcome to #Arizona, Kevin Kolb. Our enchiladas are better than those cheesesteaks! Go Cards!''
-- @SenJohnMcCain, the Arizona senator, after Kevin Kolb was officially dealt from Philadelphia to Arizona Thursday.