Q:What broke down last year? Will anything change to your approach after a bad season last year?
A: combination of things (what broke down) injuries, team chemistry and that was part managements fault he admitted. there were things they could have done better and need to do better, blah blah blah.
Q: Since T.O. when have you taken a risk to succeed?
A: You dont need to take a risk for the hell of it. we feel good about the players we have. if you look at the collective group of threats on this team we feel this is a strength of the team. we would be willing to overpay if it was worth it. there wasnt a situation that a deal didnt get done due to not taking a risk.
We do believe that the success begins with the ability to win the battle at the line of scrimmage but it doesnt stop there. that is the priority in the draft. the root of our philosophy. if you have a prob at DT....why not take a plunge at one of the guys available? there are 2 sides, our evaluation of our players against the evaluation of available players and in the draft. maybe not a star player but a rotation guy.
--when they were talking about free agency and the draft and not picking up a DT, Banner did say they could still be working on something but never said anything really concrete.
--talking about line backers, more worried about the lines as a priority, then strenghts the areas around it
--the players they have compared to who was available at DT wasnt a huge upgrade .
--Sam Rayburn and Darwin walker -> free agents wouldnt have upgrade
He might be wrong but feels they were as good as whats available
The rest were garbage questions about rule changes and fluff.
Interview over.
--What i took from this was that they would be looking to add a rotational guy instead of the big name DT....but any DT in the draft would be rotating, so thats irrelevant. Its looking more and more towards an OL in my opinion...they really love their current DL. hmmm..interesting
i laughed when he said they dont feel a huge need to add a DT as sam rayburn was hurt all last year but before that he proved to be a great pass rushing DT
I'm sure whatever Joe Banner or Andy Reid says publicly right now is EXACTLY what they are planning on doing.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 05, 2006, 09:45:39 AM
I'm sure whatever Joe Banner or Andy Reid says publicly right now is EXACTLY what they are planning on doing.
Right? Like we all had it pegged that they were going to take
Andrews Patterson last year. We do have no clue, your right.
Were getting Vince Young
I'm sure whatever Joe Banner or Andy Reid says publicly right now is EXACTLY what they are planning on doing.
then he shouldnt come on the air for a half hour and run his mouth...it just alienates the fans even more
like i always say joe banner should not ever been seen or heard...but if he insists then he should refrain from making player personnell comments as he knows nothing about football
I agree that Banner shouldn't talk. Ever. Especially with clowns like those on the morning show hosting the interview. However, if he never spoke (or Reid) about personnel, the fans would get on their backs and the idiot clowns on the morning show would rip them even more for NOT talking.
But you have to agree, no one should take any credence into what he or Reid says regarding player personnel because its not like they are going to spill any beans beforehand (or any GM/coach for that matter). Its all posturing.
However, if he never spoke (or Reid) about personnel, the fans would get on their backs and the idiot clowns on the morning show would rip them even more for NOT talking.
reid can and should talk PP as he has credentials to back it up...banner on the other hand is a glorified accountant
no one should take any credence into what he or Reid says regarding player personnel because its not like they are going to spill any beans beforehand
absolutely...thats goes for any team in any sport
i just dont know why banner goes into two minute speeches on positions and players like DT and rayburn...why get all specific on something like that when a) you dont know what youre talking about and b) even if you did none of your words are to be taken on the level anyway
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2006, 09:49:24 AM
then he shouldnt come on the air for a half hour and run his mouth...it just alienates the fans even more
like i always say joe banner should not ever been seen or heard...but if he insists then he should refrain from making player personnell comments as he knows nothing about football
werd.
Again, probably because if he was asked questions and didn't come up with any answers, he'd be crucified.
I DO wish he'd just stay in his office and crunch numbers instead though.
Why should Andy Reid have to say anything to the general public?
Who are any of you to think that he's answerable to you? He's answerable to one man and unless your name is Jeffrey Lurie, that wouldn't be you.
As for Banner, I agree that he should keep his yapper shut. He sucks at dealing with the media. He comes off as an haughty and arrogant know-it-all. There are other people in the organization who are better at dealing with the media (Tom Heckert, for instance) so let them deal with the great unwashed.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:02:47 AM
Why should Andy Reid have to say anything to the general public?
Who are any of you to think that he's answerable to you? He's answerable to one man and unless your name is Jeffrey Lurie, that wouldn't be you.
The organization as a whole has a responsibility to answer to the fans, without us, they'd be nothing. And that's not to say they should call each of us individually or let us know their offseason plans, but they should still be held accountable.
To paraphrase:
"If you listen to fans, you'll quickly become one of them."
Why should Andy Reid have to say anything to the general public?
Who are any of you to think that he's answerable to you? He's answerable to one man and unless your name is Jeffrey Lurie, that wouldn't be you.
because its not andy reids team...and owner or not...its not jeffery luries...its the cities team...the people whos tax season ticket and psl money went to buying the team a new stadium as well as supporting it for the last 75 years...
the team will have another owner one day but it wont be another cities...and if you dont believe that whoever owns the team has a certain obligation to the city and its fans than youre more of FO lackey than i even thought...
see buddy ryan and pat croce for examples as to what a public relationship with the fans can do...see what pat gillick in in the middle of trying to do compared to what ed wade did...that personal relationship btwn this cities teams and its fans is super important...perhaps youve been in florida for too long to realize what that means
philly is a place where winning actually isnt everything...community and feeling as tho youre a part of the teams is almost as important...because if it wasnt people would have stopped following sports in the city a long time ago
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 05, 2006, 09:57:22 AM
Again, probably because if he was asked questions and didn't come up with any answers, he'd be crucified.
I DO wish he'd just stay in his office and crunch numbers instead though.
Yeah, try and figure out how to spend $20+million dollars before and during the season. Call Holmgren and the rest of the FO over in Seattle, they'll help.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:12:28 AM
To paraphrase:
"If you listen to fans, you'll quickly become one of them."
No ones saying they have to listen to the fans as far as player personell issues go, but they do have a public responsibility to us as fans. We're the bloodline of the organization regardless of who the coach/owner/GM is.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2006, 10:13:59 AM
the team will have another owner one day but it wont be another cities...and if you dont believe that whoever owns the team has a certain obligation to the city and its fans than youre more of FO lackey than i even thought...
Reid owes you nothing anymore than Lurie does.
I get a kick out of watching ignorant clowns like you acting like the Eagles, Phillies, Sixers or Flyers are your property.
Here's a newsflash for you: THEY AREN'T.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2006, 10:13:59 AM
Why should Andy Reid have to say anything to the general public?
Who are any of you to think that he's answerable to you? He's answerable to one man and unless your name is Jeffrey Lurie, that wouldn't be you.
because its not andy reids team...and owner or not...its not jeffery luries...its the cities team...the people whos tax season ticket and psl money went to buying the team a new stadium as well as supporting it for the last 75 years...
the team will have another owner one day but it wont be another cities...and if you dont believe that whoever owns the team has a certain obligation to the city and its fans than youre more of FO lackey than i even thought...
see buddy ryan and pat croce for examples as to what a public relationship with the fans can do...see what pat gillick in in the middle of trying to do compared to what ed wade did...that personal relationship btwn this cities teams and its fans is super important...perhaps youve been in florida for too long to realize what that means
philly is a place where winning actually isnt everything...community and feeling as tho youre a part of the teams is almost as important...because if it wasnt people would have stopped following sports in the city a long time ago
I love my city, but wheeew...speak for yourself
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:02:47 AM
Why should Andy Reid have to say anything to the general public?
Who are any of you to think that he's answerable to you?
wow, they really got you brainwashed don't they.
do not question us, we are always right. conform, conform, conform, conform.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 05, 2006, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:12:28 AM
To paraphrase:
"If you listen to fans, you'll quickly become one of them."
No ones saying they have to listen to the fans as far as player personell issues go, but they do have a public responsibility to us as fans. We're the bloodline of the organization regardless of who the coach/owner/GM is.
Respectfully disagree with you on the first part. I agree with you on the second.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 05, 2006, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:02:47 AM
Why should Andy Reid have to say anything to the general public?
Who are any of you to think that he's answerable to you?
wow, they really got you brainwashed don't they.
do not question us, we are always right. conform, conform, conform, conform.
Cram it up your farging ass you little pimple...
did Andy Reid tell you to say that?
Reid owes you nothing anymore than Lurie does.
I get a kick out of watching ignorant clowns like you acting like the Eagles, Phillies, Sixers or Flyers are your property.
Here's a newsflash for you: THEY AREN'T.
again....for too long youve lived in a souless empty place where nothing is real...i wouldnt expect you to understand....go magic!
I love my city, but wheeew...speak for yourself
if winning was everything you wouldnt even be a fan right now...the years where a philly team is entering its repsective season and has a legit shot to win it all is few and far between...therefore why even follow or watch the teams....trust me i wanna more than you could ever imagine...but theres a lot more to liking my teams than that
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 05, 2006, 10:22:09 AM
did Andy Reid tell you to say that?
No, your ghetto bitch did.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:23:10 AM
No, your ghetto bitch did.
ugh, is that the best you can do? i guess it's hard to come up with your own thoughts when you're always repeating somebody else's
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 05, 2006, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:23:10 AM
No, your ghetto bitch did.
ugh, is that the best you can do? i guess it's hard to come up with your own thoughts when you're always repeating somebody else's
You mean like when you're repeating your master's every utterance?
Like I said earlier, stick it up your ass, you mutt.
Rome's getting all sensative because internally he doesn't like what the team is doing, but he's terrified of what they will do to him if they ever find out.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:27:19 AM
You mean like when you're repeating your master's every utterance?
Like I said earlier, stick it up your ass, you mutt.
who's my master again?
go Jags, right Romey?
Yeah, that's it exactly, rjs. :-D
I just think it's amusing that people here actually believe they're owed something by a professional sports franchise other than entertainment.
They don't owe you answers, they don't owe you explanations, they don't owe you advance knowledge of what they're planning to do in the future.
In the case of the Eagles, they owe you sixty minutes of sports entertainment every game day, period. They owe you nothing else anymore than you owe them anything other than your loyalty as a fan.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 05, 2006, 10:35:34 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:27:19 AM
You mean like when you're repeating your master's every utterance?
Like I said earlier, stick it up your ass, you mutt.
who's my master again?
go Jags, right Romey?
Yeah, go Jags.
There is a very valid argument to be made that they owe us the same honesty and answers that people feel we deserve from politicians. We do pay their salaries, after all.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 05, 2006, 10:37:46 AM
There is a very valid argument to be made that they owe us the same honesty and answers that people feel we deserve from politicians. We do pay their salaries, after all.
the Gods owe you nothing. do as they say, it's the only way to show true loyalty (from 900 miles away anyway)
rome tell the people in pittsburgh that the steelers are just entertainment...on a level with a when the lion king shoots thru town on a two week run
or maybe head up to montreal and tell those people les habitant is no more or less important than last weeks sunday nite TV movie of the week
are the eagles no more or less important than a bruce springsteen show at the wachovia center??
the ignorance youre spewing in this thread is off the charts
in many places team = community and if you dont think the team owes the community something more than two hours of entertainment then you just will never ever get it
If the Eagles told the truth publically about their intent, that would give the 31 other teams in the league an advantage over them, would it not?
If Andy Reid went on WIP every day and laid out his plans for the team, how would that benefit the team?
As I said previously, the Eagles owe us as fans their best effort on game day. They also owe us their best effort in terms of acquiring talent in order to win but they certainly don't owe us any explanations with respect to those efforts.
Jeffrey Lurie is the owner of the team. All of the people who work for him owe him answers, not us.
You guys understand the difference, right?
If the Eagles told the truth publically about their intent, that would give the 31 other teams in the league an advantage over them, would it not?
apples and oranges
thats not what we are talking about and you know it
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 05, 2006, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 05, 2006, 10:37:46 AM
There is a very valid argument to be made that they owe us the same honesty and answers that people feel we deserve from politicians. We do pay their salaries, after all.
the Gods owe you nothing. do as they say, it's the only way to show true loyalty (from 900 miles away anyway)
Good one. :yay
BTW: It's 975 miles, not 900. See, I just drove them yesterday after returning from the Phillies home opener on Monday.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2006, 10:22:47 AM
Reid owes you nothing anymore than Lurie does.
I get a kick out of watching ignorant clowns like you acting like the Eagles, Phillies, Sixers or Flyers are your property.
Here's a newsflash for you: THEY AREN'T.
again....for too long youve lived in a souless empty place where nothing is real...i wouldnt expect you to understand....go magic!
I love my city, but wheeew...speak for yourself
if winning was everything you wouldnt even be a fan right now...the years where a philly team is entering its repsective season and has a legit shot to win it all is few and far between...therefore why even follow or watch the teams....trust me i wanna more than you could ever imagine...but theres a lot more to liking my teams than that
Ice, I understand your logic and its respectable...but I love sports in general and hate to F-in lose--personally or recreationally. Philly fans are/have been in quite some time thinking on the terms of "winning is everything" because we havent won squat in how long now? Sick of it, tired of it....and just want a f-in trophy/pennant. When we get that trophy/pennant, then maybe (and thats a big maybe) I'll say, "Hey, winning isnt everything" because we FINALLY won and its not so bad anymore.
I think Rome is related to Lurie. Or maybe in love with him. He is a handsome man. The hair alone is enough to make you cry.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2006, 10:45:18 AM
If the Eagles told the truth publically about their intent, that would give the 31 other teams in the league an advantage over them, would it not?
apples and oranges
thats not what we are talking about and you know it
Apparently not. I responded to rjs's comments and my response was valid. I don't know what the hell you're talking about, IGY.
As much fun as it is to argue about "Rome" and what "Rome" has to say on this subject, is there any chance we can return to discussing the topic at hand?
Philly fans are/have been in quite some time thinking on the terms of "winning is everything" because we havent won squat in how long now?
"winning is everything" is a cliche....its a soundbite that someone tries to use to validate their fandom...winning is huge and bigger in philly right now than its ever been or probably ever will be....but it aint everything
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:43:50 AM
If the Eagles told the truth publically about their intent, that would give the 31 other teams in the league an advantage over them, would it not?
If Andy Reid went on WIP every day and laid out his plans for the team, how would that benefit the team?
As I said previously, the Eagles owe us as fans their best effort on game day. They also owe us their best effort in terms of acquiring talent in order to win but they certainly don't owe us any explanations with respect to those efforts.
Jeffrey Lurie is the owner of the team. All of the people who work for him owe him answers, not us.
You guys understand the difference, right?
So we should just kind of take a sit and wait attitude approach to all of it, show up on gameday, see who's on the field and be pumped?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:48:28 AM
As much fun as it is to argue about "Rome" and what "Rome" has to say on this subject, is there any chance we can return to discussing the topic at hand?
This topic sucks. I'd rather ridicule (insert name here).
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2006, 10:51:50 AM
Philly fans are/have been in quite some time thinking on the terms of "winning is everything" because we havent won squat in how long now?
"winning is everything" is a cliche....its a soundbite that someone tries to use to validate their fandom...winning is huge and bigger in philly right now than its ever been or probably ever will be....but it aint everything
I appreciate Websters definition of the cliche ;) I know its not "everything", just making a point. Lets move on...
i just want to know who my master is. i've got some good worshippin in me, ready to go.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 05, 2006, 10:57:27 AM
i just want to know who my master is.
(http://www.fast-rewind.com/dragon/sho1.jpg)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 05, 2006, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:23:10 AM
No, your ghetto bitch did.
ugh, is that the best you can do? i guess it's hard to come up with your own thoughts when you're always repeating somebody else's
it's the best your mom can do. ok, terrific.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 05, 2006, 10:37:46 AM
There is a very valid argument to be made that they owe us the same honesty and answers that people feel we deserve from politicians. We do pay their salaries, after all.
you dont have a choice but to pay politician salaries. unless you dont work.
you have a choice as to whether or not your money goes to a sports franchise.
Quote from: reese125 on April 05, 2006, 10:51:51 AM
So we should just kind of take a sit and wait attitude approach to all of it, show up on gameday, see who's on the field and be pumped?
Isn't that what we end up doing anyway?
It's not as if any of us have one bit of influence on what the Eagles do in terms of personnel or staff hirings.
Fact is, we're fans and that's it. Sure, we can vent and discuss things here and elsewhere but really, is there anything else we can do in the end but that?
they should let the fans call plays....yeah, that would rule.
This thread is even more awsum than the draft insight of "Philly Forever".
Quote from: hunt on April 05, 2006, 12:20:19 PM
they should let the fans call plays....yeah, that would rule.
I would let the sneezy, big titty chick call plays.
Hell, I'd let her call whatever she damn well pleased.
if anyone is interested gargano is replaying the banner joint this hour
I learned two things listening to WIP...
Gargano banks at Beneficial and Hugh Douglas has/had white neighbors and he's cool with that.
Like I said earlier... scintillating radio.
:puke
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2006, 10:13:59 AM
Why should Andy Reid have to say anything to the general public?
Who are any of you to think that he's answerable to you? He's answerable to one man and unless your name is Jeffrey Lurie, that wouldn't be you.\
because its not andy reids team...and owner or not...its not jeffery luries...its the cities team...the people whos tax season ticket and psl money went to buying the team a new stadium as well as supporting it for the last 75 years...
the team will have another owner one day but it wont be another cities...and if you dont believe that whoever owns the team has a certain obligation to the city and its fans than youre more of FO lackey than i even thought...
see buddy ryan and pat croce for examples as to what a public relationship with the fans can do...see what pat gillick in in the middle of trying to do compared to what ed wade did...that personal relationship btwn this cities teams and its fans is super important...perhaps youve been in florida for too long to realize what that means
philly is a place where winning actually isnt everything...community and feeling as tho youre a part of the teams is almost as important...because if it wasnt people would have stopped following sports in the city a long time ago
You are very, very naive!
see buddy ryan and pat croceOne is unemployed, the other is promoting basketball on trampolines. Buddy is retired, but after he was fired, what did his popularity in Philly do for him?
i wont even entertain your ramblings with a response as you didnt even attempt to understand what i was saying...either that or youre an idiot
douchebag banner at it again in todays inky....talking about how the fans dont appreciate the GREAT jeff lurie he dropped these jewels...
"I have to tell you, that's personally frustrating to me in a public-relations sense," Banner said. "I know this is controversial, but I don't think there's another owner who would have kept this team in Philadelphia for the economic deal we got on our stadium.
"I'm not trying to belittle the public contribution, but as it relates to what other cities did and other offers we had from other cities, I can't imagine many owners that would have come from someplace else and had the kind of loyalty that he demonstrated to these football fans and this city and the history of the franchise. I don't think anybody recognizes that. I don't think anybody thinks of that."
By now, everyone knows that banner is a retard when it comes to speaking. Feigning outrage over banners comments is the equivilant to popping your collar to get laid.
Lurie bought the franchise for a reported $175 million and it's now worth close to $1 billion. Cry me a farging river, Joe. Lurie's loyalty to the city is shtein compared to the loyalty from it's fans to his team.
By now, everyone knows that banner is a retard when it comes to speaking. Feigning outrage over banners comments is the equivilant to popping your collar to get laid.
these comments are particularly prententious tho and the timing couldnt be worse
i love how he says there isnt another owner that would have kept a cash cow NFL franchise in the 5th biggest market in the country
id like to ask that icehole why he hates the eagle fans so much....what did we ever do to him...i just dont get it
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 10:47:30 AM
douchebag banner at it again in todays inky....talking about how the fans dont appreciate the GREAT jeff lurie he dropped these jewels...
"I have to tell you, that's personally frustrating to me in a public-relations sense," Banner said. "I know this is controversial, but I don't think there's another owner who would have kept this team in Philadelphia for the economic deal we got on our stadium.
"I'm not trying to belittle the public contribution, but as it relates to what other cities did and other offers we had from other cities, I can't imagine many owners that would have come from someplace else and had the kind of loyalty that he demonstrated to these football fans and this city and the history of the franchise. I don't think anybody recognizes that. I don't think anybody thinks of that."
link (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/16431326.htm)
What's surprising is how out of context that quote is with the rest of the article. Either the conversation took a turn that wasn't covered in the article, or Joey B has a real bug up his ass about the stadium deal. (probably the latter)
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 10:56:38 AM
i love how he says there isnt another owner that would have kept a cash cow NFL franchise in the 5th biggest market in the country
Well, as long as the 1st biggest television market in the country (LA) doesn't have a team, it is a legitimate threat.
Joe Banner is a funhole
What's surprising is how out of context that quote is with the rest of the article.
youre actually surprised that banner would take a shot at eagle fans and at the same time tell us how great he and lurie are....that we should bow at his feet for keeping the team in philly...are you effing kidding me...no longer should we be happy we have the gold standard in town now we should be happy we have a team at ALL!!
Either the conversation took a turn that wasn't covered in the article, or Joey B has a real bug up his ass about the stadium deal. (probably the latter)
everything turned the second banner was asked for comment
Quote from: Cerevant on January 11, 2007, 11:00:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 10:56:38 AM
i love how he says there isnt another owner that would have kept a cash cow NFL franchise in the 5th biggest market in the country
Well, as long as the 1st biggest television market in the country (LA) doesn't have a team, it is a legitimate threat.
there was never a real threat of moving to LA...there was speculation that the team could move into one of the surrounding areas, like closer to the airport. the city taxes the hell out of their businesses, and most other owners would have moved them outside of city limits.
Well, as long as the 1st biggest television market in the country (LA) doesn't have a team, it is a legitimate threat.
lol...yeah a city that lost a team to oakland (twice) is a threat...a city that could care less whether they have a football team...the reason they dont have a team in that big of a tv market is because no one wants their team to play there as they have no local support...and thats where your most important revenue streams come from...remember tv revenue is divided up...local revenues are not...
and thats why banner and lurie should be sucking our peni thanking god they have the best fanbase in the nfl in a region that considers the franchise one of their family members....
how you let Joe Banner talk get your knicker in a twist is beyond me. Who gives a damn? The team has a stadium and isn't leaving.
I wouldn't give a shtein if satan >:D himself was the owner of this team. I would still be a fan of the team. Who the farg cares if we love the owner (and the bean counter) or not. They can just sit and count da money (in french: De'Monet) ....some of which is mine!
in any event, just win a farging super bowl and we'll all gladly bow down kiss your ass!
how you let Joe Banner talk get your knicker in a twist is beyond me
thats because you have no relationship with the team outside of its wins and losses
what the hell does that mean, "relationship..outside of..wins and losses?"
It means funky jungle sex.
what the hell does that mean, "relationship..outside of..wins and losses?"
i consider the eagles to be part of me
part of my family
i cant ever remember a time when they werent a gigantic part of my life
and most importantly they represent where im from and what i am
ive invested a huge part of my life both emotionally and financially in the eagles and it pisses me off when banner who is the second most powerful person within the organization continually shteins on the fans and in turn the city
to a lot of people it wouldnt matter who owns them or represents them as long as they win
to me if they win the superbowl this year it wont be as enjoyable because a guy who is a complete prick and who i know dislikes me will have won it as well
i dont expect most people to understand and its almost impossible to explain to someone who doesnt feel the same but its just how i feel
I met Jeff Lurie in New Orleans. He said "How ya doin?", "Thanks", and "Good job, son." as he patted me on the back after I stopped traffic so he could cross.
He likes me plenty, and I'm an Eagles fan. Therefore, IGY's argument is invalid.
sweet dood....cept this is the joe banner thread
lurie for the most part is fine
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 12:56:13 PM
what the hell does that mean, "relationship..outside of..wins and losses?"
i consider the eagles to be part of me
part of my family
i cant ever remember a time when they werent a gigantic part of my life
and most importantly they represent where im from and what i am
ive invested a huge part of my life both emotionally and financially in the eagles and it pisses me off when banner who is the second most powerful person within the organization continually shteins on the fans and in turn the city
to a lot of people it wouldnt matter who owns them or represents them as long as they win
to me if they win the superbowl this year it wont be as enjoyable because a guy who is a complete prick and who i know dislikes me will have won it as well
i dont expect most people to understand and its almost impossible to explain to someone who doesnt feel the same but its just how i feel
You're not a die hard fan. You didn't use 'we'.
Quote from: Father Demon on January 11, 2007, 01:01:32 PMHe likes me plenty, and I'm an Eagles fan. Therefore, IGY's argument is invalid.
Syllogism at its finest right there folks.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 11, 2007, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on January 11, 2007, 01:01:32 PMHe likes me plenty, and I'm an Eagles fan. Therefore, IGY's argument is invalid.
Syllogism at its finest right there folks.
That word is too big for me, but you are very welcome that I could help out.
Can't say that really riles me up all that much. The guy is allowed an opinion, even if you don't like it. And it's really not even all that ridiculous of an opinion, considering his perspective. Not a big deal, either way.
I think Banner's done a great job and so has Lurie. I don't take offense at him at all. In fact, I love it when he rips the retards among us who do nothing but piss and moan about the past, present, and future direction of the franchise.
BTW: The "gold standard" thing has officially run its course. Time for another comment to obsess over, boys and girls.
it will never run its course...until they actually become the gold standard or even close to it...one of the greatest lines ever
i have to believe that even fanatical homers like you and spads appreciate it...at least in private
gold standard = trap game
gold standard = trap game mission accomplished
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 12:56:13 PM
to me if they win the superbowl this year it wont be as enjoyable because a guy who is a complete prick and who i know dislikes me will have won it as well
lol, shut up IGY. :-D If the Eagles win the superbowl you wont think about Joe Banner for a single second.
This is totally worth getting upset about.
ok if you say so
the guy has no business celebrating an eagle championship with me and the mere thought of it makes me nauseous
This is totally worth me getting upset about.
no one is telling you to be upset...or even understand why im upset...i dont expect either...just voicing my opinion on the matter...tho this board is probably not the best place to do that
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 01:47:38 PM
ok if you say so
the guy has no business celebrating an eagle championship with me and the mere thought of it makes me nauseous
You are a farging drama queen, dude.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 01:47:38 PM
the guy has no business celebrating an eagle championship with me and the mere thought of it makes me nauseous
good
You are a farging drama queen, dude.
when it comes to the birds absolutely
probably a lot like youre when it comes to the blues
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 01:51:05 PM
You are a farging drama queen, dude.
when it comes to the birds Banner or Reid absolutely
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 01:33:34 PM
it will never run its course...until they actually become the gold standard or even close to it...one of the greatest lines ever
i have to believe that even fanatical homers like you and spads appreciate it...at least in private
What's wrong with being a fanatical homer? It beats being a pessimistic douchebag who does nothing but piss and moan about everything.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 01:39:13 PM
gold standard = trap game mission accomplished
gold standard = admiration by peers
diamond standard = super bowl
platinum standard = super bowl + naked eagles cheerleaders
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 01:47:38 PM
no one is telling you to be upset...or even understand why im upset...i dont expect either...just voicing my opinion on the matter...tho this board is probably not the best place to do that
Ah, once again... you are being oppressed by all the blind homers on this board. We just goose-step in line behind Joe Banner and suckle at his brown, hoping that all his liquid feces someday turns to jism.
Quote from: Father Demon on January 11, 2007, 01:49:06 PM
You are a farging drama queen, dude.
2nd.
That's pretty gross, and should probably be "brown star" instead of just "brown."
What's wrong with being a fanatical homer?
because a homers opinion on the team is rendered null and void...especially so in your case with your connection to spads and in turn the team
whenever you give an opinion it cant be considered because no one can know if what youre saying is what you really believe
99% of the time its pro team and youre just spewing the company line whether youre with it or not
the 1% negative that you might come with is suspect because you most likely are saying it to try and convince people that you really arent a flaming homer
at least i say what i truly believe...so at worst my thoughts and opinions will be wrong where as yours will be wrong and dishonest
You're ridiculous. :-D
Ah, once again... you are being oppressed by all the blind homers on this board.
not so much that in this case...its an eagles message board so by default youre gonna have more homers than not...in that sense tho this board is actually the best youll find...
this time it has more to do with a lot of this board not growing up in around philly and having the same connection to the team...and before you go where i know youre gonna go NO i dont mean not as good a fan i mean having a different kind of connection with the team
like i was saying before a lot of people that dont have that connection only care about wins and losses...and while they live and die with the wins and losses just like i do they dont care about any other connection to the team above and beyond that
and that applies in this example because banner is talking to the people of philly when he makes his comments...hes not talking to the eagle fan in florida or missouri or utah...thus that fan isnt going to be as bothered by this
I was born in Abington, raised in Jenkintown & Sea Isle and went to college in South Jersey.
Yep - I have no connection to the team.
Like I said... fargin' ridiculous.
pump your brakes skippy
i wasnt talking about you
we already know why they wouldnt bother you
i have a larger connection than just wins and losses. I care a lot about personnel moves, coaching decisions, and those god awful black jerseys.
i really don't care about your argument. i just wanted to take a shot at those hideous uniforms.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 02:09:54 PM
pump your brakes skippy
i wasnt talking about you
Were you talking about me?
I was born and raised in the Philly area also and have lived away from it for less than 5 years.
Frankly, I think you just have to take Joe Banner with a large grain of salt. He's not worth shortening your life over.
This Missouri boy was born and bred in S. Jersey, so again, your argument is invalid.
How's Maryland these days?
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2007, 02:12:11 PMHe's not worth shortening your life over.
You should quit telling people what's worthwhile.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 02:09:54 PM
pump your brakes skippy
i wasnt talking about you
we already know why they wouldnt bother you
If you weren't referring to me, why mention Florida in your little hissy-fit?
Reno Mahe's punt returns give me an erection. Does that make me a homer?
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2007, 02:26:00 PM
Reno Mahe's punt returns give me an erection. Does that make me a homer?
No, it means you have a fetish for Polynesian midgets. But... who doesn't?
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 11, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
You should quit telling people what's worthwhile.
How do IGY's scrotes taste? Scrumptious, I'll bet.
This Missouri boy was born and bred in S. Jersey, so again, your argument is invalid.
actually it isnt....banner is talking to the people in philly RIGHT NOW....thus hes not directly talking to those who arent there NOW and especially those who were never there...that doesnt mean you couldnt in hawaii right now and be offended...and theres people like you who are from philly but not currently in the area who dont give a crap
in general tho those that are not from or not there now are less likely to care...and i know theres a good amount of those kinds of people on this board...which is why i said this is probably not the best forum for this
for example if you listen to wip today or talk to people in philly today you will find a much larger care factor over this
off topic question.....if youre from philly why do you like the blues so much...not ripping you at all...you just seem like youre really into them...why the eagles still but not the flyers?
I think that regardless of where anyone lives, this obviously bothers you more than most people.
I think that Joe Banner's neckflaps are dreamy.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2007, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2007, 02:26:00 PM
Reno Mahe's punt returns give me an erection. Does that make me a homer?
No, it means you have a fetish for Polynesian midgets. But... who doesn't?
Does she count as Polynesian?
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8602/jessicaalba2gml1bc2.jpg)
If not, she should. :drool
I think that regardless of where anyone lives, this obviously bothers you more than most people
not even close....the reaction of this board may make you think that...but ive talked to and emailed with numerous friends who are sickened by this...and theyve said the general feeling over this in the city is of outrage...and wip has spent the last seven hours on it 98% destroying banner
remember this was not some ap wire report....it wasnt even in the city sports sections.....it was on the front page of the inky...
Enough. Just move the team to L.A. :evil
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2007, 02:26:00 PM
Reno Mahe's punt returns give me an erection. Does that make me a homer?
No, that makes you a deviant. Westbrook's returns, I could see that. Little known fact: if your Viagra-induced erection lasts more then four hours, you go to the hospital and doctors show you Mahe returns to get things back under control.
btw is this taking up any space on the emb's
...and wip has spent the last seven hours on it 98% destroying banner
you still listen to that trainwreck of a radio station? Now i see why it's bothering you so much.
Instead of spending the past seven hours pissing and moaning about a non-issue, they should have been discussing the game on Saturday.
banner bothers me far more than wip
the funniest thing about what banner said is he starts it off with ""I know this is controversial..."
yet he continues to go on...like he wanted to piss all the fans off....it worked
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 11, 2007, 02:33:57 PM
Does she count as Polynesian?
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8602/jessicaalba2gml1bc2.jpg)
She can count as whatever she wants to count as.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 02:35:52 PM
not even close....the reaction of this board may make you think that...but ive talked to and emailed with numerous friends who are sickened by this...and theyve said the general feeling over this in the city is of outrage...and wip has spent the last seven hours on it 98% destroying banner
remember this was not some ap wire report....it wasnt even in the city sports sections.....it was on the front page of the inky...
I would have to believe that while your direct buddies and friends and the core WIP fanbase are similar in nature, you don't make up a majority of Eagles fans. That would be like saying that the dirty thirty and my buddy Shoulderpad Shawn were acting as elected representatives at the 1999 draft.
But if it makes you feel better to not be an extremist, go on feeling that way.
Instead of spending the past seven hours pissing and moaning about a non-issue, they should have been discussing the game on Saturday.
haha....love it
blame the fans for their reaction to something that banner knew would piss them off and yet still did it 48 hrs before a playoff game.....then again we as fans should be lucky to even have a team to be talking about right now
If Banner donned a wig I would gladly hump his ear.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 02:46:59 PM
Instead of spending the past seven hours pissing and moaning about a non-issue, they should have been discussing the game on Saturday.
haha....love it
blame the fans for their reaction to something that banner knew would piss them off and yet still did it 48 hrs before a playoff game.....then again we as fans should be lucky to even have a team to be talking about right now
You seem to care more about what Joe Banner says than you do the game on Saturday. Is that the general consensus between you and your irate pals or are you simply passing the time here beating this drum out of boredom?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 02:28:07 PM
actually it isnt....banner is talking to the people in philly RIGHT NOW....
is that you?
You seem to care more about what Joe Banner says than you do the game on Saturday. Is that the general consensus between you and your irate pals or are you simply passing the time here beating this drum out of boredom?
does joe banner care more about ripping eagle fans or the game on saturday?
I think he cares more about the game on Saturday. I don't think he would give you a second thought unless you were doing his taxes, fixing his flat tire, or piloting a plane he was flying in to the game.
lol...that's not much of a "rip". He didn't "rip" the fans, regardless of how you want to paint it. And I have no great loyalty to Banner one way or another.
Is it time for making sexy yet?
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2007, 02:48:54 PM
If Banner donned a wig I would gladly hump his ear.
I'd take his other and meet you in the middle. Or more likely 3/4 of the way.
I am rather well endowed. For ear humping.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 11, 2007, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2007, 02:48:54 PM
If Banner donned a wig I would gladly hump his ear.
I'd take his other and meet you in the middle. Or more likely 3/4 of the way.
Ahaha. I actually laughed out loud at that. :yay
Maybe I'll just stuff my balls into Banner's eye-sockets until his eyeballs are crammed out of his nose.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 11, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2007, 02:12:11 PMHe's not worth shortening your life over.
You should quit telling people what's worthwhile.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2007, 02:27:36 PMQuote from: Tomahawk on January 11, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
You should quit telling people what's worthwhile.
How do IGY's scrotes taste? Scrumptious, I'll bet.
I'm all for people shortening their lives. I'm not sure how that makes me a scrote licker.
this thead was fun to read after being gone all day.
except that RJS guy, he seems miserable
I just want my hairy brain to touch Banner's real brain. Sexy.
your offensive
My offensive?
For farg's sake, he didn't stutter. Yes - your offensive.
QuoteThe fans' reaction to Lurie bothers Banner, who also would not rank among the region's most popular people even though he has helped produce a consistent winner.
To paraphrase Banner's response, he doesn't like the fact that many fans don't like Lurie. He thinks that more should, because:
- Lurie kept the team in the city, in spite of a crappy stadium deal
- L&B have put the pieces in place for this team to have the most successful run in the history of the franchise...or at least since 1960.
How is this a shot at the fans? Some fans rip Lurie, and Joe doesn't understand why. Look at it from his point of view - which teams owners would you rather have? Oakland? Detroit? Arizona? Washington? Green Bay? Cleveland? Buffalo? Are you pining for the good 'ole Braman days?
As owners go, the Eagles are pretty lucky. Lurie has learned to stay out of the way, and Banner just does his job. If the Eagles ownership is so weak and incmopetent, where is the response from
outside the city? The national media have no problem trashing the ownership Arizona or Detroit, and even Needle Mr. Moneybags in Washington.
There is one owner in the NFL that meets VIGY's critera - putting a consistent winner on the field, makes the moves necessary to improve the team every year, and has won the super bowl. That's Bob Kraft. Every other Super Bowl participant has basically been a fluke/one hit wonder, reflected by the Super Bowl hangover trend of recent years. I know VIGY would seem to much rather have Danny boy as an owner, but shockingly even the taterskins don't measure up.
Ok, Lurie & Banner suck. Who are you going to replace them with?
Fine.
but what reaction to Lurie is he talking about? there is not much of one at all. when fans get mad at the team it is 75% at Reid, 20% at Donovan, and 5% at Banner. Lurie rarely gets mentioned, unless it's a discussion of best mustaches ever, then he's all over that johnson.
for me, it's basically a case of Banner piping up when he shouldn't saying, "hey, you should be more thankful than you are." which is something the makes me pretty irritated, no matter who says it.
Sometimes I get mad at Lurie's mad fat hair follicles because I wish that they were mine.
that's understandable.
i get mad at banner for not wiping off the toilet seat
An old Jewish man saying you're not as thankful as you should be? Stop the presses!
but what reaction to Lurie is he talking about? there is not much of one at all. when fans get mad at the team it is 75% at Reid, 20% at Donovan, and 5% at Banner. Lurie rarely gets mentioned, unless it's a discussion of best mustaches ever, then he's all over that johnson.
for real....seriously what in hell are you talking about....the fans like lurie quite a bit...lurie showed to be a little full of himself and delusional with the gold standard comment but what millionaire isnt...other than that i rarely ever hear much venom go towards lurie...hes easily the most liked eagle owner of the last 40 years
- Lurie kept the team in the city, in spite of a crappy stadium deal
lurie bought the team for 190 million and now mostly because of the stadium deal and the rabid fan support the team is worth a billion...again....a BILLION....horrible deal there...he owns the stadium...the concessions....the aprking....EVERYTHING....and he got a a nice amount of public funds towards the project...much more than some other owners got for their stadiums...so what are you saying?
dont you live in greenland or somewhere....you are clearly out of touch with what is going on
bottom line is banner is a bitter hateful nerd who is trying to get back at the world and does thru thru eagle fans...he sees a small amount of criticism towards the front office and has flashbacks of himself hanging on a gym locker by his underwear
the bottom bottom line is this, if i ever inherit 1 billion dollars, i'm going to buy this farging team, and none of you will be happy with the results.
Quote from: SunMo on January 11, 2007, 04:59:28 PM
the bottom bottom line is this, if i ever inherit 1 billion dollars, i'm going to buy this farging team, and none of you will be happy with the results.
You want to be earfarged, don't you?
who doesn't?
Sorry if I put it in the wrong thread
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 04:58:20 PM
hes easily the most liked eagle owner of the last 40 years
Now that is funny. Coming from The Ghost of Leonard Tose, I mean.
:-D :yay
Quote from: SunMo on January 11, 2007, 04:59:28 PM
the bottom bottom line is this, if i ever inherit 1 billion dollars, i'm going to buy this farging team, and none of you will be happy with the results.
Thank you. I laughed. If I become a multi-billionaire, I'll be sure to put you in my will.
Wow... 8 pages... yeah I'm not reading all this.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2007, 04:48:55 PM
Sometimes I get mad at Lurie's mad fat hair follicles because I wish that they were mine.
You can't have hair like his unless you too were seperated at birth from Larry of the 3 Stooges.
All this bitching about Banner makes me laugh. He isn't even involved in anything the Eagles do regarding the actual game played on the field. Farg him. As for him ripping the fans, take into account the source. He's an asswhipe.
As for Lurie, he's a great owner, when compared to Norman Bramen and Tose. I remember Braman sitting on his ass while one of the best defenses this league has ever seen was torn apart. How do you let the one of the greatest defensive players ever (RW) just walk?
Some people either are too young to remember, or just have short memories, otherwise you would see how good the fans in Philly actually have it now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 04:58:20 PM
for real....seriously what in hell are you talking about....the fans like lurie quite a bit...lurie showed to be a little full of himself and delusional with the gold standard comment but what millionaire isnt...other than that i rarely ever hear much venom go towards lurie...hes easily the most liked eagle owner of the last 40 years
I wasn't saying what I thought, I was restating what Banner said. Again - I don't see what about that statement pisses you off.
Quote- Lurie kept the team in the city, in spite of a crappy stadium deal
and he got a a nice amount of public funds towards the project...much more than some other owners got for their stadiums...so what are you saying?
No, what Lurie got from Philly sucked compared to the other owners, which was why he was able to take operation of the stadium away from the city. You could argue that is what he wanted anyway, but that is not the point.
Quote
dont you live in greenland or somewhere....you are clearly out of touch with what is going on
farg off - I moved out of SunMo's back yard 5 months ago.
My original post was intended to try to dissect what Banner said and try to figure out what got you so riled up. I still can't see it - none of what he said applies to you are fans in general. Maybe you can enlighten us.
vigy in this thread = it's still real to me, damnit!
Quote from: TexasEagle on January 12, 2007, 12:12:30 AM
Wow... 8 pages... yeah I'm not reading all this.
I'll summarize:
IGY: OMG, my PMS is killing me. I can't help but being oversensative like a little girl.
Everyone else: STFU, Nancyboy.
...Then it sort of gets redundant from there.
I feel like I contributed some important nuggets to this thread that deserve some mention. I'm hurt.
I'll summarize:
allow me....
vigy - 1
kids in greenland - 0
I just read this entire thread in one sitting, and believe I can help.
RJS: I'd like to put on a wig and a Larry Fine mustache, and use Reno Mahe's erection like a Joe Banner Q-tip.
Does that help?
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on January 12, 2007, 09:16:43 AM
I just read this entire thread in one sitting, and believe I can help.
RJS: I'd like to put on a wig and a Larry Fine mustache, and use Reno Mahe's erection like a Joe Banner Q-tip.
Does that help?
Well, the mental image helped me vomit, so, thanks, I guess.
:-\
More room for beer, you're welcome.
Now, stay out of the ER this weekend, Rome. ;)
I'd like to see IGY go on The Surreal Life with Andy Reid, Joe Banner and Chris Webber. That would make a great reality show.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2007, 09:27:57 AM
I'd like to see IGY go on The Surreal Life with Andy Reid, Joe Banner and Chris Webber. That would make a great reality show.
Add in one mhunt and one AI and I'm watching.
From a team's perspective they have no incentive to stay in big market areas because the TV revenue is shared among all the teams, unlike the major leagues where teams have licensing agreements with local affiliates to broadcast games so teams get to keep virtually all the revenue they earn through their broadcasting deals. NFL teams don't have that same luxury (teams do have exclusive broadcasting rights for pre-season, but that is hardly a substantial revenue generator). That's why it is difficult for the NFL to get a team to move to LA because there really isn't any added benefit to that franchise for re-locating there.
So whether you're in a 'small market' or 'big market', a team receives a 1/32nd of the total broadcast revenues -- it doesn't matter if you're New York or Tampa Bay.
So the real kicker to get teams to move are stadium deals because teams get to keep all the revenue generated from those stadiums. That's why teams are lured by 'smaller markets' because if you can move to an area that can sell out 70,000 seats a game for 8 weeks you're golden.
Anyways, Banner is probably right that they could have gotten a better deal somewhere else. But the comment is probably inappropriate at this juncture. They made the deal, it's done with, move on.
From a team's perspective they have no incentive to stay in big market areas because the TV revenue is shared among all the teams
absolutely not true
local tv and radio revenues are much bigger in a larger market...advertising goes for a lot more in general....the bigger the market the more people the more it costs to show off your product...why you think they instituted revenue sharing in the first place....because large market teams had such a distinct advantage in all these areas
trust me...with a top five market and a rabid local fanbase short of not getting a new stadium at all lurie was going nowhere
Maybe advertising, endorsement, and radio revenue, but as far as broadcasting revenue for games it is all negotiated by the NFL (except pre-season). Individuals teams do not negotiate broadcasting contracts like MLB teams do.
The NFL goes to the networks, surveys bids, picks the highest one(s), and grants that network broadcasting rights for a specified term for a specified amount of money. Then the NFL just simply takes that revenue and divides it equally among the 32 NFL teams. There is no incentive to move to a bigger market in that sense because a team would not directly benefit from a move. If the NFL maybe divided broadcasting revenue based on the population of a geographic area, then there would be a greater incentive for a team to move to a larger market like LA, because they would get a larger share of the pie. But the NFL doesn't do it like that, equal gets an equal share of the pie -- big market or small market.
But like you said, there may be some incentives for a larger market like revenue from local ads and what not. But out of the two biggest revenue streams, broadcasting revenue and stadium revenue, stadium revenue is something that is wholly under the control of the owner. So when it boils down to it, most owners don't care where they move to, as long as that area is willing to help furnish a stadium and can put butts into the seats every gameday.
Just one ancedote -- the Chargers had a deal with the city of San Diego in that if the Chargers stayed in San Diego the City would guarantee a sell out for every home game, in that if the game did not sell out, the City of San Diego would purchase every unsold seat. Stupid move by the city, because the Chargers had no incentive to entice fans to come to the games. Why waste money on advertising and other costs associated with it when you're guaranteed a sell-out every Sunday? It was great for the Chargers because they were raking in tons of revenue without expending much cost, but if I was a resident of San Diego I could think of better ways to spend tax dollars.
with a top five market and a rabid local fanbase short of not getting a new stadium at all lurie was going nowhere
That's fine, but what i'm saying that you're over-valuing the 'top 5 market' and the amount of local revenue generated through advertisements and radio spots. It means little as long as the market is big enough to have a committed fan base to fill a stadium, because broadcasting and other sorts of NFL-licensed revenue is divided on a equal basis, no weight is given to geographic area or the 'size of the market' for the NFL.
"Top 5" markets matter in MLB, but not for football. Revenue sharing on the sort of basis the NFL has implemented encourages mobility, and lessens the need for a big market. That's why stadiums are a big deal. All a team needs is a small fanbase committed towards filling a stadium and the promise of a new stadium that is preferably subsidized by that City. That's it. All the other important and substantial revenue streams are dealt out on a per capita basis.
Wow. This argument couldn't be any more exciting.
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This threads a little old but there were some good Banner bashing articles in the paper this morning:
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090128_Gonzo___Always_sunny_in_Phila_.html)
QuoteAlways sunny in Philadelphia
By John Gonzalez
Inquirer Columnist
Guess what? Eagles fans are lucky. Apparently, it's all sunshine and rainbows around here.
What, you didn't know? That's probably because Joe Banner never explained it to you before.
Last night, Comcast SportsNet showed an interview during which the Eagles' president clarified a few things, namely that the Eagles can win a championship with Donovan McNabb and Andy Reid, and that both will be back next season.
Then, just to make sure we all understand, he added: "We believe we're very lucky to have them. The good news is that's overwhelmingly the view of our fans. I know it doesn't always come out that way."
Glad he cleared that up. See, when Eagles fans go on the radio or craft e-mails to complain about the team losing to the Arizona Cardinals, their words just come out wrong. In the past, when they openly lamented that the Birds lost the Super Bowl - when they questioned how Reid and McNabb have performed in pressure situations - it was all a misunderstanding.
Same goes for this space, I suppose. I'm a columnist by trade but an Eagles fan by birth. When I wrote that going 1-4 in NFC championship games isn't good enough, it was a simple mistake. I must have accidentally mashed the keyboard with my hand that day.
What I actually meant to write after the Eagles lost to the Cardinals - a team that's long been an NFL punch line - was something positive. Something like, "Three cheers for Reid and McNabb! Huzzah!"
"I was telling a story to somebody the other day," Banner said on Comcast SportsNet. "John Madden coached at Oakland for 10 years, and he won fewer regular-season games [than Reid], and he went to five championship games. He did go to two Super Bowls, versus one. And he did win one. In Oakland, that got him elected to the Hall of Fame. In Philadelphia, that gets Andy - at least from the public's perspective - uncertain about his job's future."
Hmm. Great story. Except Banner was a little confused.
Madden actually won more regular-season games in 10 years than Reid. (And that was back when teams played 14-game seasons.) Madden made six championship games (seven counting the AFL). And he went to one Super Bowl, not two. But Banner did get one thing right: Madden and the Raiders won Super Bowl XI.
So Banner made a few mistakes. Who hasn't?
I'm sure he was right about the overwhelming view of the fans, though.
Lurie should have put a muzzle on Banner a long time ago
Link (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20090128_Sam_Donnellon__Eagles_president_Banner_feels_your_pain__but_plans_to_do_nothing.html)
QuoteSam Donnellon: Eagles president Banner feels your pain, but plans to do nothing
By Sam Donnellon
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
THERE IS NOW a fifth sports season in Philadelphia.
Most years, like this one, it begins in mid-January and rolls through February.
For lack of a better moniker, call it Banner season, although by definition it has nothing to do with banners, at least championship ones.
It's not really about answers either, or solutions.
Eagles president Joe Banner will be on WIP this morning, continuing his trophyless tour of media outlets. Last night, Comcast SportsNet aired for almost 30 minutes his interview with Michael Barkann. Our not-so-fearless "Daily News Live" leader did all right, but what he really needed was for Jerry Springer to bust onto the set at some point and scream, "Why the hell didn't you trade for Tony Gonzalez!?"
Barkann didn't ask that, or about Roy Williams, or even about how a Super Bowl-aspiring team could enter the season with Tony Hunt and Dan Klecko as their fullback options.
Anyway, as far as I can tell, the basic theme of Banner's tour is that he feels your pain, understands your perennial frustrations this time of year and plans to do . . . well, nothing really.
No change of coach, no change of quarterback, no sacking of general manager Tom Heckert. He says you people are on board with that. Citing an outside organization hired by the team, he claimed, "The popularity of Andy Reid in this city is as high as any coach in any sport in the country.
"The popularity of Donovan McNabb is as high as any athlete almost anywhere ever here in Philadelphia."
Really, he said that.
So take that, Charlie Manuel and Brad Lidge.
In almost the next breath, though, while paralleling the careers of the Eagles coach to former Oakland Raiders coach John Madden, Banner said this:
"In Oakland, that got him elected to the Hall of Fame. In Philadelphia that gets Andy, at least from the public's perspective, uncertain about his job's future."
Which is it: Do we love the man more than any coach in America?
Or do we want him canned?
Banner seems to get caught often between what he should say and what he wants to say. Probably because he and Jeffrey Lurie came into town a decade-and-a-half ago with all that gold-standard hooey, he knows he has to say that anything less than a Super Bowl championship is unacceptable. So he does, repeatedly.
"Valid" is a word he used several times in last night's broadcast when he addressed your criticisms of his coach, his quarterback, and his infrastructure. In almost the next breath, there is invariably a "but" or an "on the other hand," and by the end of the answer the only thing clear is that he doesn't see too much that needs to be fixed here.
Such as when Barkann asked him whether Reid wore too many hats as coach and de facto GM, Banner called it "a totally valid question," then said, "The key to the answer to the question is the quality of the people he surrounded himself with. Andy's got three coordinators . . . who are exceptional and independent and people he has tremendous confidence [in].
"He has Tom Heckert, he has Howie Roseman [vice president of player personnel]. He has a whole staff of pro and college personnel people he has a lot of confidence in. Hopefully I help him with the cap a little bit, so he feels like I've got tremendous help in all three of these areas. So really what we do for Andy is, we kind of narrow the width of the question, and then get him focused on the things that he has to evaluate - watch film on, make decisions on - and he feels very confident in the people kind of narrowing the question. If he was trying to do all of those things and was surrounded with mediocre people, or less quantity even of good people, then it probably wouldn't be a manageable situation."
So . . . Banner sees quality where some see mediocrity. Reid's drafts have been, to most, more miss than hit. His game management has been an issue that does not seem to improve. He has been stubborn about his pass-first playcalling.
"I don't have concerns about the number of hats he's wearing," Banner concluded.
He also said, "We're not opposed to having one of those guys," when Barkann asked him about obtaining an elite receiver like Arizona's Larry Fitzgerald or Anquan Boldin, but he also said, "Can you win without one of those guys? Absolutely."
Well, that seems to be his plan right now. No big receiver in the horizon, no new coach or new quarterback or new semi-GM. No change of duties for Reid, Heckert and Roseman.
"We can win a championship with those people and they will be back, and I've gone on to say that we believe we're very lucky to have them," Banner said. "The good news is, that's overwhelmingly the view of our fans." *
i have no more hateful words for that man...im dried up...he sapped me of everything i love
the madden comparison is so patently absurd (and factually incorrect) that it boggles the mind
That s.o.b. needs a good smack in the mouth.
I remember sometime within the year Banner mentioned how much of an advantage it is to have a 1st round bye, had no clue that is no longer the case. It makes me worry that this Howie Roseman guy, who I guess was a Banner understudy, is now involved with the personnel side. Maybe AR just ignores him anyway, which I guess is a wash.
I'd like to ask Joe Banner what happens at the end of the year if they finish tied with another team for the Under-the-Cap Bowl title. Does it just end in a tie?
everybody's boy will be on with Eskin today
no screened calls, very tough questions by Eskin, no hang-ups, a complete free-for-all interrogation by callers--cant wait
Good God.
I'm getting prepared.
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How was it?
exquisite
I was thinking it was probably excruciating.
Why am I listening to this slop....anyway:
With regards to Dawk:
Feels that they made a very fair offer.
Agent informed the team they would go out and look around, take a trip to Denver.
They never talked again, agent or Dawk never called with what the Broncos offered.
Offered more money than Dawks last contract - "he would have made more money than he did last year" lol
Denver will pay much more the first year compared to the Eagles, but if Dawk plays two more years, not a big difference in the money he'll make.
Basically slammed Buck, says that when he got the ball he did a good job, but there was a reason he didn't get a lot of touches.
Returning a lot of the players from last year and that's the most important thing.
Ward - weren't really interested, injury history.
Houshmanzadeh - Same range in terms of quality to what they already have. "Not a meaningful upgrade". If a true number one is available they will be in the hunt.
McNabb meeting: Conversations are confidential. Insinuated the "someone" leaked portions of the conversations.....
McNabbs definition of "weapons" is more broad than people think, not just WRs, RBs, and TEs, but Donovan "thinks Stacey Andrews is a big weapon".
Brought up the Patriots and how they turned no-name free-agent acquisitions into major contributors during their super bowl runs...
Callers get to chime in now....should be interesting. Hope IGY calls.
"Will" Demps huh
Keeps making the point that the Birds never had a chance to match or beat the Broncos offer.
Teams that make it to the last four in the playoffs are very close to each other. Basically came to down to chance why they didn't win it all this year.
Never questioned fatty as coach this past season.
Need to create "competition" at FB. You'll see something happen there.
Supposedly told Dawk's agent was told the offer was final, but that only the entire dollar amount. They were open to talk about bonuses, guaranteed money, etc.
Banner seems to be insinuating the Dawk's agent led him to believe that the Eagles didn't want him.
Sheldon Brown is upset with his contract. Never disputed it. "New market always surpasses the old market" = Sheldon can suck it.
Houzmanzadeh is better than any WR the Eagles have. So how would it not be a improvement over what they have?
Quote from: PPinDC on March 04, 2009, 05:16:42 PM
Brought up the Patriots and how they turned no-name free-agent acquisitions into major contributors during their super bowl runs...
No-name scrubs Randy Moss, Adalius Thomas, Corey Dillon, and Rodney Harrison.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 04, 2009, 06:23:26 PM
Houzmanzadeh is better than any WR the Eagles have. So how would it not be a improvement over what they have?
Jackson>Housh.
I'm pretty sure you'll counter by bringing up the numbers, but I think going forward Jackson will overtake him as the better WR. He's going to have better numbers in 2009 than Housh will in Seattle IMO.
Of course has better potential and I am not dissing him. But this is not about who Jackson might be in a year or two but more about who TJ is right now.
On a team that passes as much as the Eagles do WHAT HARM would it do to add TJ even if he is not a Boldin esque #1? He is definetly better than Curtis, Avant, Baskett, G. Lewis. He has shown he plays well in a system opposite another good WR. We know the Eagles are not trading for a Chad Johnson or Boldin. They have tons of money.
I just don't get it anymore.
Quote from: PPinDC on March 04, 2009, 05:29:21 PM
Keeps making the point that the Birds never had a chance to match or beat the Broncos offer.
Teams that make it to the last four in the playoffs are very close to each other. Basically came to down to chance why they didn't win it all this year.
Never questioned fatty as coach this past season.
Need to create "competition" at FB. You'll see something happen there.
Supposedly told Dawk's agent was told the offer was final, but that only the entire dollar amount. They were open to talk about bonuses, guaranteed money, etc.
Banner seems to be insinuating the Dawk's agent led him to believe that the Eagles didn't want him.
Sheldon Brown is upset with his contract. Never disputed it. "New market always surpasses the old market" = Sheldon can suck it.
We were one of the last four teams, but we were 9-6-1.. .Banner needs to stop acting like we were 13-3.
The Eagles viewed the 8-8 team of two yrs ago as a Superbowl roster so surely they believe a 9-6-1 roster is a Pro Bowl roster.
Look at it this way...they are bound to improve by one game next season.
I missed the interview but heard Eskin spinning the cap situation and how the Eagles spend so much money every year. Eskin's as bad as Banner is and I'm glad he's losing so many listeners to Mike Miss.
As for Banner what a conniving little smug spin artist.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 04, 2009, 06:32:55 PM
Of course has better potential and I am not dissing him. But this is not about who Jackson might be in a year or two but more about who TJ is right now.
On a team that passes as much as the Eagles do WHAT HARM would it do to add TJ even if he is not a Boldin esque #1? He is definetly better than Curtis, Avant, Baskett, G. Lewis. He has shown he plays well in a system opposite another good WR. We know the Eagles are not trading for a Chad Johnson or Boldin. They have tons of money.
I just don't get it anymore.
The only thing they get a pass on from me is WR. Housh isn't all that great and I do think they'll either trade for a WR or draft one early. If not, then I'll agree with you, but I think Jackson right now is better than Housh.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 04, 2009, 06:41:38 PM
I missed the interview but heard Eskin spinning the cap situation and how the Eagles spend so much money every year. Eskin's as bad as Banner is and I'm glad he's losing so many listeners to Mike Miss.
As for Banner what a conniving little smug spin artist.
I listened to the whole thing, and as much as Eskin gets on my last nerve, he asked every and any question that you and i would ask--and went as far as you could go without belaboring the point
He asked why Dawkins was let go and that point was driven home 29 times (false or not), why the eagles havent won a superbowl, what the convo was between McNabb and him, will he get an extension, convo with Tre Thomas, potential coaching changes mid-season last year, cap money (which was explained by cap dollars vs cash dollars and the number is not 40+ million)..etc etc. It just sucks that we as fans cant get the answer we want because shtein stays in-house or its a flat out lie..who knows
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 04, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on March 04, 2009, 05:16:42 PM
Brought up the Patriots and how they turned no-name free-agent acquisitions into major contributors during their super bowl runs...
No-name scrubs Randy Moss, Adalius Thomas, Corey Dillon, and Rodney Harrison.
Yes, that comment had me in stitches when I heard it. Wish we could get scrubs like that.
He goes by Welliam Thomas now.
Agreed on the Eskin comment. He was by no means brother in lawing it with Banner. He asked some good questions.
Loved the dude that called in and asked why the Steelers have won two Super Bowls in four years? Banner tried to be funny and say "There better and smarter than us" than follwed up with his how close all the teams that make it to the final four are ::)
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 04, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on March 04, 2009, 05:16:42 PM
Brought up the Patriots and how they turned no-name free-agent acquisitions into major contributors during their super bowl runs...
No-name scrubs Randy Moss, Adalius Thomas, Corey Dillon, and Rodney Harrison.
lololol
and stop with the eskin asking tough questions...this interview was announced on monday and banner was given every question that was asked at that time....thus he had 48 hrs to write his answers....callers get screened as well...they arent going to allow anyone thru that is going to grill joey...when banner goes on angelos or the mid day show i might be a little impressed
like sd said the guy is sickeningly pompous except pompous doesnt begin to describe him
Quote from: King Cole on March 04, 2009, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 04, 2009, 06:32:55 PM
Of course has better potential and I am not dissing him. But this is not about who Jackson might be in a year or two but more about who TJ is right now.
On a team that passes as much as the Eagles do WHAT HARM would it do to add TJ even if he is not a Boldin esque #1? He is definetly better than Curtis, Avant, Baskett, G. Lewis. He has shown he plays well in a system opposite another good WR. We know the Eagles are not trading for a Chad Johnson or Boldin. They have tons of money.
I just don't get it anymore.
The only thing they get a pass on from me is WR. Housh isn't all that great and I do think they'll either trade for a WR or draft one early. If not, then I'll agree with you, but I think Jackson right now is better than Housh.
No in your opinion Hous is not as good but fact would indicate that is better than Jackson. TJ had one off season but in the previous 3 or so seasons has been one of the most productive WRs in the game on a very good offensive team.
Besides this is not about replacing anyone on the roster, more about improving it. Why not improve it?
Housh is a terrorist, you support terrorists
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 04, 2009, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: King Cole on March 04, 2009, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 04, 2009, 06:32:55 PM
Of course has better potential and I am not dissing him. But this is not about who Jackson might be in a year or two but more about who TJ is right now.
On a team that passes as much as the Eagles do WHAT HARM would it do to add TJ even if he is not a Boldin esque #1? He is definetly better than Curtis, Avant, Baskett, G. Lewis. He has shown he plays well in a system opposite another good WR. We know the Eagles are not trading for a Chad Johnson or Boldin. They have tons of money.
I just don't get it anymore.
The only thing they get a pass on from me is WR. Housh isn't all that great and I do think they'll either trade for a WR or draft one early. If not, then I'll agree with you, but I think Jackson right now is better than Housh.
No in your opinion Hous is not as good but fact would indicate that is better than Jackson. TJ had one off season but in the previous 3 or so seasons has been one of the most productive WRs in the game on a very good offensive team.
Besides this is not about replacing anyone on the roster, more about improving it. Why not improve it?
im not large on housh but like retard says why not get him as an upgrade...forget comparing him to pimp...consider him a monster upgrade over avant or curtis...and since the eagles have more money than god thats not an issue...it can do nothing but help the team
Quote from: Don Ho on March 04, 2009, 08:19:06 PM
Agreed on the Eskin comment. He was by no means brother in lawing it with Banner. He asked some good questions.
Loved the dude that called in and asked why the Steelers have won two Super Bowls in four years? Banner tried to be funny and say "There better and smarter than us" than follwed up with his how close all the teams that make it to the final four are ::)
The Steelers thing is simple, they get how football is supposed to be played. Run and play defense. The funny thing about him trying to be funny is he is exactly right.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 04, 2009, 09:12:07 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on March 04, 2009, 08:19:06 PM
Agreed on the Eskin comment. He was by no means brother in lawing it with Banner. He asked some good questions.
Loved the dude that called in and asked why the Steelers have won two Super Bowls in four years? Banner tried to be funny and say "There better and smarter than us" than follwed up with his how close all the teams that make it to the final four are ::)
The Steelers thing is simple, they get how football is supposed to be played. Run and play defense. The funny thing about him trying to be funny is he is exactly right.
they also have superior player evaluation
They also are the least active team in free agency every year.
They also had thier asses handed to them by the Eagles last year.
Quote from: shorebird on March 04, 2009, 09:38:36 PM
They also had thier asses handed to them by the Eagles last year.
bwahahaha
Quote from: methdeez on March 04, 2009, 09:30:47 PM
They also are the least active team in free agency every year.
Uh....which goes back to the player evaluation bit. Go and look at their drafts. Because of the way they develop talent, they rarely need to go out and get anyone of note.
Quote from: PPinDC on March 04, 2009, 09:40:30 PM
Quote from: methdeez on March 04, 2009, 09:30:47 PM
They also are the least active team in free agency every year.
Uh....which goes back to the player evaluation bit. Go and look at their drafts. Because of the way they develop talent, they rarely need to go out and get anyone of note.
exactly...pretty sure their PP dept doesnt employ anyone from H&R Block
Quotethey also have superior player evaluation
That goes without saying. I hate the Steelers almost as much as I hate the Cowboys, but they get it from top to bottom. That is why they have more rings than any franchise.
So Banner gave canned answers? I'm shocked.
I'm shocked he would try to play the goddamn victim in the Dawkins negotiations.
By the way...why was he rippin' on Buck?
What were these "reasons" he did not see the ball much?
Do they not like gaining yards?
Of course no one will go into "these reasons". Hopefully Buck talks and responds.
Apparently if he gets more than 2 touches per half he risks spontaneous combustion.
maybe the reason was he would have wanted to much money if he got his shine on this year
to utter even close to one negative word about buck after all hes went thru with his injuries and never ever once complaining about his lack of touches this year is despicable
From the EMB:
QuoteDerrick Gunn reports that Brian Dawkins listened to the Joe Banner interview and has "steam coming out of his ears." Supposedly, Dawkins took issue with many things banner said during the interview, specifically that the claim he didn't give the team a chance to match the offer is false. He was going to call into DNL, but after talking it over said he's going to wait to respond.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2009, 10:10:28 PM
From the EMB:
QuoteDerrick Gunn reports that Brian Dawkins listened to the Joe Banner interview and has "steam coming out of his ears." Supposedly, Dawkins took issue with many things banner said during the interview, specifically that the claim he didn't give the team a chance to match the offer is false. He was going to call into DNL, but after talking it over said he's going to wait to respond.
rip that ass a new one dawk...as bad as dawk wanted to play in philly and as heartbroken as he looked at the denver presser you knew banner was lying thru his teeth about being given a chance to match...really tho dawk should ahve never given them a chance asd pathetic as their original offer was...the sad thing about this is bridges are probably gonna be burned to the point that dawk doesnt come back here until banner and/or lurie are gone
He wouldn't have gotten through the screen anyway.
wait players not giving the eagles a chance to match = classless
the eagles blackballing players to the point of benching them when they dont sign their knee jerk extensions = business
does anyone believe a farging word that comes out of banners mouth? and could there be a more detestable human being on this earth not named jose reyes?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2009, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2009, 10:10:28 PM
From the EMB:
QuoteDerrick Gunn reports that Brian Dawkins listened to the Joe Banner interview and has "steam coming out of his ears." Supposedly, Dawkins took issue with many things banner said during the interview, specifically that the claim he didn't give the team a chance to match the offer is false. He was going to call into DNL, but after talking it over said he's going to wait to respond.
rip that ass a new one dawk...as bad as dawk wanted to play in philly and as heartbroken as he looked at the denver presser you knew banner was lying thru his teeth about being given a chance to match...really tho dawk should ahve never given them a chance asd pathetic as their original offer was...the sad thing about this is bridges are probably gonna be burned to the point that dawk doesnt come back here until banner and/or lurie are gone
The funny thing is, Banner sits there and expects people to believe him. Rather than lying like a dog to save face, just man up and tell the truth. I'd at least respect the guy for telling it like he sees it rather than bullshtein people.
Disagreeing with someone is fine...and we obviously disagree with their decision, but when they try to spin it it makes them worse.
i wanna know where the farg jeffrey lurie is
Chillin' in Boston?
condo paid for...no car payment...at the arraingment note for the plantiff.....
Banner must have thought he gold standard'd it up, because the audio of the interview is on PE.com.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 04, 2009, 11:13:05 PM
Banner must have thought he gold standard'd it up, because the audio of the interview is on PE.com.
is it even possible hed ever think otherwise
Good point. He probably doesn't even realize that his teeth are yellow.
Dawk might do the Hit for me that i was planning
banner: my only regret is that we didn't get a chance to talk to dawkins after he received the offer from denver.
dawkins: my agent called banner at least 3 times after the denver offer.
who do you believe? :-D :deion
Banner gettin' all technical there, as Dawkins' agent isn't Dawkins himself.
lurielapper? :boo
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Just saw this image on Philly.com. It fills me with rage and a modicum of fear.
ha....that is downright scary
It is as if his eyes are piercing my soul, and looking for loose change.
Quote from: PPinDC on March 05, 2009, 10:00:46 AM
It is as if his eyes are piercing my soul, and looking for loose change.
:-D
Looking? Hell, he's already got that, your wallet and your SSN.
just finished listening to his interview in full...words cant express my anger
did it make you want to climb into your laundry basket and tickle your ears?
The devil incarnate.
Quote from: PPinDC on March 05, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
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Just saw this image on Philly.com. It fills me with rage and a modicum of fear.
He looks like he could be Benjamin Linus' dad.
Banner looks like he got a cranial implant, now he can find fractions of cents to save
What we need to do here is to organize the SBL ticket holders and take the eagles to court for some violation of the "spirt" of the SBL and get a $7.2M award (don't laugh, with a jury trial in philly it could win). They won't even have to say they are sorry and the airways won't get polluted with BS. BTW when are those water fountains gonna be put in..I still haven't seen one. :fire
God love you, 61, but you are bat shtein crazy, old man.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 05, 2009, 02:41:09 PM
God love you, 61, but you are bat shtein crazy, old man.
I am honored and I take great pride in your assessment. May your troubles be few FF :yay
I'm glad you realize that I meant that with the utmost respect.
But seriously, if you want to sell your SBL's, let me know.
sbl's are always for sale...the chances youd buy one are about as good as 61 selling his
Quote from: Father Demon on March 05, 2009, 12:46:57 PM
He looks like he could be Benjamin Linus' dad.
Uncle Rico
I've been listening to Mike Missinelli on my way home, he was breaking down a Banner interview he had with Spadaro. He kept replaying Banner's little snicker and how he does it after he defends a move. He was also talking about how much he infuriates the fanbase but there's nothing we can do about it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2009, 02:59:56 PM
sbl's are always for sale...the chances youd buy one are about as good as 61 selling his
What if I looked at them as a commodity/investment?
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 05, 2009, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 05, 2009, 02:59:56 PM
sbl's are always for sale...the chances youd buy one are about as good as 61 selling his
What if I looked at them as a commodity/investment?
if you were gonna get one you already would have
Nope. I was waiting for demand to hit bottom to buy them on the cheap. ECON 101.
great job by russakoff
http://www.comcast.net/sports/russakoffrules/25498/smartandsmarterer/
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2009, 09:39:40 AM
great job by russakoff
http://www.comcast.net/sports/russakoffrules/25498/smartandsmarterer/
was just coming to post this blurb:
Quote"That doesn't sound so clever at all. Turn off the spin for a second.
If you manipulate the cap to free up extra money, but then don't spend that money, how is your manipulation shrewd at all? Having an opportunity to spend an extra $20-25 million dollars is only an advantage if you actually spend it.
If you don't spend it, you might as well have not had the extra cap room ... you might as well be "dumb" (like those silly Patriots) and use the same cap everyone else is using.
On second thought, this isn't awesome at all. Who needs a clever guy like The Dryer if being clever doesn't net the Eagles an on-field advantage?
Isn't this supposed to be about winning? And as far as winning, your shrewd-appeal translates into no advantage whatsoever and, more notably, 14 years without a trophy."
Lee Russakoff
i don't get all the dryer references, but it was good otherwise
Quote from: SunMo on March 06, 2009, 11:35:59 AM
i don't get all the dryer references, but it was good otherwise
He likes to spin. Perhaps they should have gone with this reference (http://www.leekspin.com/) instead.
That was strange
You still have it playing, don't you.
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Those are some quality 'shops.
Each one is worse than the last.
The three stooges and Eskin shots are classic.
Tempted to use the stooge shot as my screen saver.
I like the salary cap champs poster best
yep
1) salary cap poster
2) dumb and dumber
3) the Banner gargoyle or whatever that is
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Perhaps pocketchange we can believe in would have worked better.
....
some really interesting talk on wip about the eagles disconnect with well with just about everyone and everything...including their own players and history
glen macnow counted all the former players that are employed by each of four teams in the city...this includes announcers coaches front office janitors vendors ect...
flyers - 15
phillies - 15
sixers - 7
eagles - 4
pretty staggering when you take into account that football rosters are almost as big as nba nhl and mlb rosters combined
gargano then brought up the throwback jerseys and how banner/lurie absolutely refuse to acknowledge that the franchise existed before them so no chance they are gonna bring back a lot of actual people
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Still my favorite. I'd love to see one game in these throwbacks. shtein, if they can do it in those god awful colors from last year against Detroit why not this?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2009, 10:17:34 AM
some really interesting talk on wip about the eagles disconnect with well with just about everyone and everything...including their own players and history
glen macnow counted all the former players that are employed by each of four teams in the city...this includes announcers coaches front office janitors vendors ect...
flyers - 15
phillies - 15
sixers - 7
eagles - 4
pretty staggering when you take into account that football rosters are almost as big as nba nhl and mlb rosters combined
gargano then brought up the throwback jerseys and how banner/lurie absolutely refuse to acknowledge that the franchise existed before them so no chance they are gonna bring back a lot of actual people
Granted that he is a loon, but they did alienate Chuck Bednarik.. one of the most recognizable Eagles of all time.
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I think I figured out what it is with all the 1 year contract stuff.
If 2010 goes uncapped, players will need 6 years to become an unrestricted FA instead of 4. Both Weaver and Sean Jones came into the league in '05. That means they would revert back to RFA status at the end of 2009 eventhough they are unrestricted now, and they Eagles could still do whatever they want.
If the tender figures are the same next year Weaver could get a second level tender and have to take a small paycut, and Sean Jones could get a 1st level tender (1st and 3rd round compensation) and also have to take a small pay cut. In any case, the Eagles will have full control.
Joe Bananners and the Jewish Mafia will be able to make an offer the players can't refuse.
Are you serious? That's evil genius type of stuff right there.
Now, I wonder if the agents play stupid next off-season.
That does make a lot of sense. Props to the Jew of death if that's indeed what they're thinking was and if it actually pans out that way.
SAVE WE CAN
Solid thinking there, Eagleholic.
I can hear Banner's evil laugh from here.
Banner Honored (http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=542461)
Link to actual article instead of EMB (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20090407_Eagles_-_City_Year_to_honor_Eagles_president_Banner.html)
Banner only does philanthropy for the tax break. There's no way he has a heart.
QuoteAccording to a press release, in Philadelphia, City Year annually supports 225 "young leaders" ages 17 to 24
Wow, Banner really does have a hand in it.
nice little write up by Ford on who else and the ever popular topic...
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090410_Bob_Ford__When_it_comes_to_PR__even_Street_is_besting_Birds.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090410_Bob_Ford__When_it_comes_to_PR__even_Street_is_besting_Birds.html)
why is ford writing this today?....every single thing in that piece is at least 10 days old...including the nutter quote which is just gold
QuoteA Look At Pre-Draft Cap Room
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2009, 10:49 p.m. EDT
We've gotten a look-see at the team-by-team salary cap numbers as the draft approaches.
The full list, for every team, is right here.
The Eagles lead the way with more than $37 million in cap room. Though it's not clear whether this figure takes into account Jason Peters' new deal, the number is remarkable.
The Bucs are next, with more than $35 million. The Chiefs have more than $32 million, and the Packers have more than $27 million.
The bulges in Philly and Tampa result from the fact that the teams carried over more than $20 million and more than $25 million, respectively, from 2008, as a result of the devices available to push unspent cap dollars into future seasons. (Rather than, you know, spending them in an effort to win a championship.)
But absent a new CBA, the time to spend is now. If there's no salary cap in 2010, the money that could have been used will be lost.
The team with the least wiggle room is the Steelers, who have less than $450,000 in cap space. They'll need to clear some dollars in order to sign their rookies.
Cup!
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/salary-cap-space-as-of-april-22/
i wonder if they can fit the city under the cap