Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PhillyGirl]

I have no problem with exposing kids to religion. Just because you don't suscribe to that belief doesn't mean you should be threatened by it. Teach a world religion class that preaches tolerances and encourages diversity. If you just teach folks about Jesus because we're a Christian nation who's Jesus to you teach? Majority Mob rule?

Then send your kid to private Catholic or whatever school.

[Phanatic]

I have no problem with exposing kids to religion. Just because you don't subscribe to that belief doesn't mean you should be threatened by it. Teach a world religion class that preaches tolerances and encourages diversity. If you just teach folks about Jesus because we're a Christian nation who's Jesus to you teach? Majority Mob rule?

Then send your kid to private Catholic or whatever school.

You did get that I was supporting your point right? Or you wouldn't even expose your kids to a world religion class that teaches diversity and respect for all people?

[PhillyGirl]

No, I was just adding to it.

[Rome]

I had an increasing problem with sending my child to catholic school so I yanked her out of there.  If there was a secular private school around these parts, I'd send her there, but since there isn't, we placed her in public school.  So far she loves it.

[Phanatic]

As for what is fact and what is theory:
The world was flat forever.  It was indisputable.  It was fact.  By science, and by theory.  Whoops.


And as for teaching both sides and let the student make up his own mind:
Debate, no matter the issue as long as it's from an intellectual standpoint, is always more of an education than listening to a teacher read several paragraphs from a book.  It makes a student think, listen, and be able to present facts or ideas so others understand.  NOT teaching debate (and the brain power associated with it) is part of the reason our school system hasn't kept pace with the rest of the world.

If the world being flat was a theory it was based on a collection of facts known at the time. As more facts were discovered the theory was updated to our current theory that the world is somewhat round. Creationism to me is like us finding some facts that support that the world is actually square because someone wrote it down 1500 years ago.

2nd point is spot on.

[Phanatic]

Also flat earth was a myth though it was attributed to the church. Or that's the theory anyway...

From wiki

The modern belief that especially medieval Christianity believed in a flat earth has been referred to as The Myth of the Flat Earth.[1] In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history.[2] Recent scholarship[3] has argued that "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat" and that the prevailing view was of a spherical earth.[1]

Jeffrey Russell states that the modern view that people of the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat is said to have entered the popular imagination in the 19th century, thanks largely to the publication of Washington Irving's fantasy The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus in 1828.[1] Although these writers reject the idea of a flat earth, others such as the Flat Earth Society accept or promote the hypothesis.

[MadMarchHare]

As for what is fact and what is theory:
The world was flat forever.  It was indisputable.  It was fact.  By science, and by theory.  Whoops.

As for separation of church and state:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Still recited (or played over an intercom) in many, many, public schools.



And as for teaching both sides and let the student make up his own mind:
Debate, no matter the issue as long as it's from an intellectual standpoint, is always more of an education than listening to a teacher read several paragraphs from a book.  It makes a student think, listen, and be able to present facts or ideas so others understand.  NOT teaching debate (and the brain power associated with it) is part of the reason our school system hasn't kept pace with the rest of the world.

Uh, dude, the "one nation under God" thing was added in the 1900s.  The founders had absolutely no interest in that, and it should sure as hell be removed.

[ATV]

Hell, the structure of an atom is still theory, too, because no one has ever seen one.

There's some severe bullcrap. You ever hear of an electron microscope? Or the particle colliders? Science has known the structure of an atom for decades now. Godamn.

As for separation of church and state:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Still recited (or played over an intercom) in many, many, public schools.

Here's some more bullcrap....

Could you tell me why these ignorant kids left out "under god"?.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEC1HV1MCjM

Because it was added by Congress in 1954 during the apex of Communist paranoia. The "Founding Fathers" were deists and would never have approved of such an addition.

Let's not change the real subject, which should be that John McCain chose and inexperienced cheerleader for his Vice Presidential candidate. Someone who would have a very good chance at becoming "the leader of the free world". A inexperienced cheerleader who is ultra conservative (like the Bush administration), and who is adept at lying (like the Bush administration).

[ice grillin you]

I have no problem with exposing kids to religion. Just because you don't subscribe to that belief doesn't mean you should be threatened by it. Teach a world religion class that preaches tolerances and encourages diversity. If you just teach folks about Jesus because we're a Christian nation who's Jesus do you teach? Majority Mob rule?

i completely agree with your sentiment but i do take offense to the notion that tolerance and diversity are somehow linked to only a religion class...it promotes the stereotype that religious people by definition are somehow more righteous...better than everyone else...

i think you can teach those things in any number of classes that DONT include religion...or id be all for requiring kids at a certain grade level to perform X amount of community service and weave the things youre talking about into that...then teach your own children whatever religion you want at home and in church..of course also diversity tolerance ect...

[MadMarchHare]

Hell, the structure of an atom is still theory, too, because no one has ever seen one.

There's some severe bullcrap. You ever hear of an electron microscope? Or the particle colliders? Science has known the structure of an atom for decades now. Godamn.

As for separation of church and state:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Still recited (or played over an intercom) in many, many, public schools.

Here's some more bullcrap....

Could you tell me why these ignorant kids left out "under god"?.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEC1HV1MCjM

Because it was added by Congress in 1954 during the apex of Communist paranoia. The "Founding Fathers" were deists and would never have approved of such an addition.

Let's not change the real subject, which should be that John McCain chose and inexperienced cheerleader for his Vice Presidential candidate. Someone who would have a very good chance at becoming "the leader of the free world". A inexperienced cheerleader who is ultra conservative (like the Bush administration), and who is adept at lying (like the Bush administration).

Moreover, taterskins fan, I've used one.  Have you?
And electron microscopy cannot see down to the molecular level, dumbass.  You can get a real nice look at organelles within the cell, but we (scientists) have never visualized an atom before.  All the information we have is anecdotal or indirect.  I'm not arguing with atomic theory, I think it's correct.  But it is hardly proven.

[rjs246]

You guys need a hobby.

[ice grillin you]

weve found one

[rjs246]

Touche.

[General_Failure]

My Kingdom for an IGNORE feature. 

C'mon GF.. you know you never want to read another FF post, and this would make it easy.  DO IT!!

This comment was on page 335. When I read it, this thread was up to page 339. I think its safe to say I consider this thread a disaster, and will not send good people in here to suffer brain damage trying to regulate it.

[ATV]

Moreover, taterskins fan, I've used one

If you were truly a "scientist" then I doubt you would stoop to backing your argument by bringing up NFL teams. I understand Newton used to be a Dolphins fan.

but we (scientists) have never visualized an atom before.

What a maroon.....and I'm not even a "scientist".....

Atoms....



Electron....



Pwned.