Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[MadMarchHare]

If you are teaching an entire BELIEF in class, its supposed to be taught like a history lesson. Not like some moronic comment like that from your teacher. Teaching creationism would be like a section of the course like teaching about the Civil War. Not a comment, but a few weeks of "study" on it.

Not to mention, as IGY already said, separation of church and state....ever heard of it? Creationism has NO Part in public school systems.

1- creationism is always married to a religious point of view
2- creationism and evolution are both theories...to present EITHER one as FACT...is wrong
3- you thing the civil war is taught the same way in south carolina as it is in pennsylvania?

evolution is NOT a theory...its scientificcal fact...what it doest fully explain is how it all got started...but it has a whole lot more basis to it than some people 4000 years ago waking up one day and deciding some pixie up in the sky did it

WRONG.  It is still theory, and may be essentially unprovable.  But based on current evidence, it is the most plausible theory available.  Hell, the structure of an atom is still theory, too, because no one has ever seen one.  But all chemistry is based on it, and the assumptions we make based on atomic theory usually work, so again, it's the most plausible explanation.

[ice grillin you]

evolution will always be a theory in that theres new hypothesis be created every day but theres parts of that ARE true...therefore evolution exists

[MadMarchHare]

Thank God you work for the Gov't.  You don't approve scientific grants, do you?

[shorebird]

To hell with the Bible, let's teach evolution as fact, even though there is no more scientific evidence to back it up than there is that Jesus was the sun of God

no to hell with the bible in public school...you have your church and home to read and teach fables...anyway what bible do you want taught in US schools...cause im pretty sure theres more than one religion in this country...the gall of you people to think YOUR god is the one that everyone should bow down is amazing...youre no different than the leaders of the worst middle eastern countries you so despise

You people, eh? Your no better than the racist you complain about so much. I love the way you lump me in with the religious right. I don't even go to church. I was pointing out that when you say evolution is a fact, YOU ARE WRONG, again. There is no more scientific proof of evolution then there is that Jesus walked on water.

You ask what Bible do I want taught in school?? You dumbass. Theres only one bible, and a persons religion and the way they interpet it is what makes things different, not the actual scripture itself.

My point is if you think creation shouldn't be taught in schools, then based on scientific fact, neither should evolution.

Christ, no wonder your bald, your friggen' head is so hard hair won't grow on it.

[ice grillin you]

To understand how it can be both, it is necessary to understand that evolution can be used in more than one way in biology. A common way to use the term evolution is simply to describe the change in the gene pool of a population over time; that this occurs is an indisputable fact. Such changes have been observed in the laboratory and in nature. Even most (although not all, unfortunately) creationists accept this aspect of evolution as a fact.

Another way the term evolution is used in biology is to refer to the idea of "common descent," that all species alive today and which have ever existed descend from a single ancestor which existed at some time in the past. Obviously this process of descent has not been observed, but there exists so much overwhelming evidence supporting it that most scientists (and probably all scientists in the life sciences) consider it a fact as well.

So, what does it mean to say that evolution is also a theory? For scientists, evolutionary theory deals with how evolution occurs, not whether it occurs — this is an important distinction lost upon creationists. There are different theories of evolution which can contradict or compete with each other in various ways and there can be strong and sometimes quite acrimonious disagreement between evolutionary scientists regarding their ideas.

[ice grillin you]

theory and fact

meaning that it does exist but we still have many theories to try and scientifically prove...id rather my kid become a scientist in a quest to find these things than to just explain everything in life by some made up boogie monster

[shorebird]

No way in hell did you wright that. Thats a copy and paste job if I ever saw it.

[ice grillin you]

when im drunk i start writing in caps and sentances and even use punctuation...AND sound smart

honey another beer please!?

[shorebird]

Evolution is not a fact unless your the missing link, and that could be just as close to fact as the actual theory itself.

But yet because you don't believe in God, you are against teaching creation and for teaching evolution to the point of saying that I am no better than the religious fanatical jihad.

Who is the fanatic here?

Leftist liberalism at it's best.

[SD_Eagle5]

no to hell with the bible in public school...you have your church and home to read and teach fables...anyway what bible do you want taught in US schools...cause im pretty sure theres more than one religion in this country...the gall of you people to think YOUR god is the one that everyone should bow down is amazing...youre no different than the leaders of the worst middle eastern countries you so despise

I'm actually going to agree with igy here which will give the appearance that I'm playing both sides of the fence. I don't think the Bible has any right to be in any public school. What I had originally wrote was that Palin was just saying students should be given a 'choice' to choose. That got twisted into a mess.

For the record: I think creationism is a bunch of nonsense. I don't even know if the nuts believe it or they just profess to believe it so they can further prove their allegiance to god and to fellow christians. You know, just being a good person and doing what's right isn't enough. But, a majority of America believes in creationsism as a majority of America is either Jewish or of a Christian sect. Government is there to support it's people, if enough people want something things will get changed.

[Father Demon]

As for what is fact and what is theory:
The world was flat forever.  It was indisputable.  It was fact.  By science, and by theory.  Whoops.

As for separation of church and state:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Still recited (or played over an intercom) in many, many, public schools.



And as for teaching both sides and let the student make up his own mind:
Debate, no matter the issue as long as it's from an intellectual standpoint, is always more of an education than listening to a teacher read several paragraphs from a book.  It makes a student think, listen, and be able to present facts or ideas so others understand.  NOT teaching debate (and the brain power associated with it) is part of the reason our school system hasn't kept pace with the rest of the world.

[ice grillin you]

Evolution is not a fact unless your the missing link, and that could be just as close to fact as the actual theory itself.

But yet because you don't believe in God, you are against teaching creation and for teaching evolution to the point of saying that I am no better than the religious fanatical jihad.

Who is the fanatic here?

Leftist liberalism at it's best.

youre limiting evolution to the beginning of everything...evolution is much more than that...evolution does not explain for certain how everything started hence the big bang THEORY...but it does contain legitimate facts where creationism contains not one single even hint of a fact

no to hell with the bible in public school...you have your church and home to read and teach fables...anyway what bible do you want taught in US schools...cause im pretty sure theres more than one religion in this country...the gall of you people to think YOUR god is the one that everyone should bow down is amazing...youre no different than the leaders of the worst middle eastern countries you so despise

I'm actually going to agree with igy here which will give the appearance that I'm playing both sides of the fence. I don't think the Bible has any right to be in any public school. What I had originally wrote was that Palin was just saying students should be given a 'choice' to choose. That got twisted into a mess.

For the record: I think creationism is a bunch of nonsense. I don't even know if the nuts believe it or they just profess to believe it so they can further prove their allegiance to god and to fellow christians. You know, just being a good person and doing what's right isn't enough. But, a majority of America believes in creationsism as a majority of America is either Jewish or of a Christian sect. Government is there to support it's people, if enough people want something things will get changed.

thats really all im saying is keep it out of schools...i dont even wanna argue the existince of creationsim because you might as well argue whether god exists and that is futile...im for anyone believing what you want just dont put religion in schools that shtein gets me heated

[ice grillin you]

And as for teaching both sides and let the student make up his own mind:
Debate, no matter the issue as long as it's from an intellectual standpoint, is always more of an education than listening to a teacher read several paragraphs from a book.  It makes a student think, listen, and be able to present facts or ideas so others understand.  NOT teaching debate (and the brain power associated with it) is part of the reason our school system hasn't kept pace with the rest of the world.

totally agree but religion is different because theres not a shred of anything that shows ANY god exists...what comes next a hearty debate over the easter bunny vs the tooth fairy

[shorebird]

I don't think creation should be taught in schools either, but me saying that evoution has no more place being taught as fact than creation has me being compared to middle eastern religeous fanatics. Being lumped in as on of "you people". It's hypocritical and ignorant.

I have one question that eats at me about the theory of evolution. If man evolved from an ape or primate, then why are there still apes on the face of the earth today? Don't most species that evolve from other species do so at the expense of the existance of the species they evolved from?

[Phanatic]

Evolution like any theory are allways based on a collection of facts. As those facts change so do theories. Some people struggle with the uncertainty of that kind of process. I get that. Faith is different. Faith is something that is personal. The facts that back someones faith are usually based on someones personal experiences. Explaining that in school is fine would make sense and teach respect for your fellow man. The problem with teaching something like creationism is that it promotes someones personal facts by finding facts in the world to support that faith. It opens up a can of worms that people really don't want in public schools. Orthodox Jews are convinced they have facts to back their belief. Muslims have their facts. Within Christianity which flavor's facts do you support? Jehovah's witnesses? No birthdays for you! Buddhists?

I have no problem with exposing kids to religion. Just because you don't subscribe to that belief doesn't mean you should be threatened by it. Teach a world religion class that preaches tolerances and encourages diversity. If you just teach folks about Jesus because we're a Christian nation who's Jesus do you teach? Majority Mob rule?