Eagles @ Ravens Game Thread

[General_Failure]

Wow. Convincing. Put them together in one body and they're actually better than Koy. Well done!

[ice grillin you]

all three at one point in their career started games NOT due to injury

something that would never ever happen to koy

[Beermonkey]

all three at one point in their career started games NOT due to injury

something that would never ever happen to koy

I think someone else on this board has a plush Koy doll in his room. 

[Wingspan]

I want to see you argue for those guys. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Bobby Hoying
Doug Pederson
Mike McMahon

they have all won more than 1 game as a starter in a single season.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

It should be noted that IGY and Wingspan are both in the frequent-disagreements-with-FF club, and yet they still see the unflappable logic in just how horrendously awful Koy is, even compared to other horrendously awful past Eagle QBs.

[Seabiscuit36]

Koy, Greggie, and Reno need to go out for a walk on the farm

[Dillen]

I saw the replay on NFL Network last night and 'Spuds and Gus' were 100 times worse then the Ravens crew. I hate Spadaro. Gus works on the Bills Television Network too.

[SD_Eagle5]

Hoying had more arm than Koy ever had.
Pederson had more on-field brains than Koy ever had.
McMahon has more athletic ability than Koy ever had.

Who are people who have never been in my kitchen?

[phillywin2k5]

Hoying had more arm than Koy ever had.
Pederson had more on-field brains than Koy ever had.
McMahon has more athletic ability than Koy ever had.

Who are people who have never been in my kitchen?

is this one of those 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon-bits games?

[phillywin2k5]

I saw the replay on NFL Network last night and 'Spuds and Gus' were 100 times worse then the Ravens crew. I hate Spadaro. Gus works on the Bills Television Network too.

What would you expect from a guy named Gus and Mr Potatoe Head, guest starring a slobbering drunk Jaws

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Who are people who have never been in my kitchen?

Cliff the mailman on "Jeopardy"

[rjs246]

It was his mother's kitchen you ignorant fargs.

[Don Ho]

Who are people who have never been in my kitchen?

Cliff the mailman on "Jeopardy"

Don Pardo

[Feva]

Receivers need to get a grip

Pretty sobering article... but you've gotta love the last line about Bunkley.

RECEIVERS NEED TO GET A GRIP

By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com

BALTIMORE - Donovan McNabb, standing in the pocket, patting the ball and looking, looking, looking...

Unless the Eagles do something to improve their corps of wideouts, you might see a lot of that this season. You saw more than a little of it last night, in the half McNabb and the first-team offense played against the Baltimore Ravens, whose reserves pummeled the Birds' reserves in the second half for a 20-10 preseason victory at M & T Bank Stadium.

McNabb completed six of 10 passes for 97 yards and a touchdown, but his only completion to a wide receiver went for 5 yards, to Reggie Brown. He hit tight end L.J. Smith twice over the middle, for 32 yards. Reno Mahe caught a couple of dumps, for 12 yards and a TD. The Birds' big play was a screen to Correll Buckhalter that pressure turned into a shovel pass, which Buckhalter took for 48 yards to the Ravens' 1. Kudos to Buck, playing in his first game in 2 years, but he probably won't provide much of a foundation for the Eagles' passing game.

Against the best secondary they have faced in three preseason games, the Birds' wide receivers got no separation. McNabb had decent protection much of the time, but he obviously wasn't seeing what he wanted to see downfield. Hank Baskett, the rookie who has become the people's choice, caught no passes.

Todd Pinkston was out again with those sore Achilles' tendons. Jabar Gaffney, who was billed as a solid offseason acquisition, didn't get much playing time until the second half and didn't catch a pass until the fourth quarter (he finished with four catches for 37 yards). Greg Lewis didn't play until the second half and dropped a Koy Detmer pass when he took a hard hit. Darnerien McCants drew a big Ravens penalty on the first snap and was never heard from again.

When McNabb was in, the Birds went no-huddle a lot, which might limit the long-developing play options, especially in a preseason game. And the Eagles did score (a field goal) on their opening drive, for the third successive game.

McNabb called the first-drive scores "kind of a reward" for all the hard work the Eagles have done in training camp. Overall, he liked the way the no-huddle went.

"It was good to see that we were able to move the ball, spread the ball around a little," McNabb said.

Eagles coach Andy Reid said not getting the ball to the wideouts wasn't a big deal.

"I wasn't too worried about that - as long as we move the ball, I really don't care who gets the ball," he said.

"Things happen," Baskett said. "Those guys came out, they were playing good... we were moving the ball in other ways, so we didn't have to take too many shots throwing the ball."

Brown, the presumed No. 1 receiver, has just two catches for 13 yards in three preseason games. Of course, he hasn't been on the field all that much.

"I'm really not worried about not getting the ball that much in the preseason," Brown said last night.

The Eagles managed points on their first two drives, helped both times by big penalties on the Ravens.

On the first snap of the game, the Ravens' Samari Rolle took a 33-yard pass-interference penalty, on a long throw down the left sideline to McCants. The Eagles eventually netted a 43-yard David Akers field goal.

The next time the Birds got the ball, McNabb threw incomplete on third-and-8 to Baskett, but an illegal-contact penalty on Ravens linebacker Bart Scott kept the drive alive. On second-and-9 from the Ravens' 49, McNabb rolled right and shoveled the ball to Buckhalter, who broke down the right sideline, then back to the middle, a shoulder pad pulled out of his jersey and flapping in the breeze. Buckhalter finally was stopped at the Ravens' 1. McNabb then flipped a pass to Mahe for the touchdown and a 10-0 lead.

The Ravens then drove 64 yards for the first points scored against the Birds' No. 1 defense this preseason, on a 30-yard Matt Stover field goal.

The defensive highlight of the first half came when Jevon Kearse sacked and stripped Steve McNair, ending a Ravens scoring threat on the Eagles' 30. Brian Dawkins' recovery set the Eagles up for another drive, with 2 minutes left, but Mahe fumbled the ball back to the Ravens. They then mismanaged the clock and failed to add to their total before halftime.

"To put the defense in a position like that, they worked their butts off to get a turnover and then, to go in there and be careless with the ball and lose it like that, it was a big disappointment," Mahe said. "As far as how I did, I did terrible. I [stunk]." (Yeah, no shtein!  )

The Birds' subs took a beating in the second half, most egregiously when the Ravens' Musa Smith blew through a huge hole on the left side and sailed 43 yards for a touchdown.

Detmer's 5-for-10, 21-yard passing night included an interception. Detmer was dodging Ravens rushers on every snap. Timmy Chang completed just seven of 17 passes for 91 yards, and was sacked three times.

"There's going to be pressure from time to time. You've got to execute through it," Detmer said. "From that standpoint, it was frustrating. We didn't do that tonight. We didn't execute through the pressure and the different things."

Buckhalter's return after 2 successive years missed to patellar-tendon tears produced the Eagles' biggest gain of the night, on the shovel-screen, but Buckhalter found little running room, gaining 8 yards on five carries. He still has two preseason games to show he can make the hard, crisp cut that once made him an effective runner between the tackles.

"I feel great, man," Buckhalter said. "I feel like the old [No.] 28. I think I'm still a little rusty, there are some things I need to work on."

"I thought he did some good things; it was good to get him in there," Reid said of Buckhalter, who has missed three of the last four seasons. Reid said Buckhalter "got a bit tired" after his long run on the screen.

The poor play of the second- and third-teamers, particularly on offense was disturbing, as Reid noted, because "some of those guys, they're going to play for us."

Birdseed

Hank Fraley saw a series with the first-team offense at left guard, in place of Todd Herremans. Fraley, unseated by Jamaal Jackson as the starting center, said he assumes that if he is going to play a utility role on the line this year, the coaches want to get him some game experience at guard... Jackson, by the way, became the father of twin girls on Tuesday,Ava and Amya... Andy Reid said rookie returner Jeremy Bloom "tweaked his hamstring" on the second of his two returns... Rookie fullback Jason Davis, who suffered a broken hand earlier in camp, left last night's game with a knee injury. Reid said he would have an MRI exam today...

Ryan Moats, who tended to fumble a lot even as a college star at Louisiana Tech, lost one on his first carry of the preseason. He has fumbled several times in training-camp practices this summer. Moats waved away a reporter after the game. Reid said that Moats "needs to make sure he keeps the ball high and tight, and [needs to] make sure he covers up with both hands over the ball and secures it when he gets tackled"...

First-round rookie Brodrick Bunkley wasn't too excited about his 1 1/2 sacks. "It's just another stat, man," he said. "It's still the preseason." 

[reese125]

Man I tell ya, if Im Reid and Im saying to myself that I dont care if the WR's cant get seperation as long as we move the ball--there lies the big problem. he cant possibly think this will be a reoccurring play by play

maybe he didnt realize that both those long first downs came from pass interference calls-both questionable. If they didnt have those-- Dirk Johnson would have been player of the game (hyperbolic--FF)

there seems to be way too much complacency in Reids part with this O, and that will always remain a mystery to me