Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Rome]

You are a pure idiot.

You know this yet you continue to respond to that mongoloid.

[ATV]

Calling me meany-poo names might make your argument entirely more valid but please keep in mind that it really hurts my feelings.

Do you honestly think that those transfers of power were peacful?

Aside from the Crusades? For the people that lived there? Yes, I do. Please demonstrate otherwise.

there was no Palestinian State in 1948

Oh, ok, so that makes it alright for other people to come in and lay claim to their lands then? What's your point? Something tells me that if Palestine WAS a "state" in 1948 then this wouldn't affect your overall brainwashed opinion whatsoever.

the Palestinians are nothing but pawns in the Islamic world to fight the Jews.

Yep, thas right Cooter - Because those brown A-rabs are naturally predisposed to fightin'! So what if them Palestinians can't even take a dump on their own lands, their own prop'ty, - It aint got nothin' to do with it. I aint see why they can't just be happy with scraps and livin in their ghett-os. And so what if them Jews use our weaponry to bomb all those other A-rab countries! Serves em right for being right next to em! Don't matter either if those Mooslims were their first - Because after all them Jews had great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-Grandaddies and Grandmamas who used to live there.

[Rome]

Post less, Mongoloid.

[phillymic2000]

Calling me meany-poo names might make your argument entirely more valid but please keep in mind that it really hurts my feelings.

Do you honestly think that those transfers of power were peacful?

Aside from the Crusades? For the people that lived there? Yes, I do. Please demonstrate otherwise.

there was no Palestinian State in 1948

Oh, ok, so that makes it alright for other people to come in and lay claim to their lands then? What's your point? Something tells me that if Palestine WAS a "state" in 1948 then this wouldn't affect your overall brainwashed opinion whatsoever.

the Palestinians are nothing but pawns in the Islamic world to fight the Jews.

Yep, thas right Cooter - Because those brown A-rabs are naturally predisposed to fightin'! So what if them Palestinians can't even take a dump on their own lands, their own prop'ty, - It aint got nothin' to do with it. I aint see why they can't just be happy with scraps and livin in their ghett-os. And so what if them Jews use our weaponry to bomb all those other A-rab countries! Serves em right for being right next to em! Don't matter either if those Mooslims were their first - Because after all them Jews had great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-Grandaddies and Grandmamas who used to live there.

I love how most people jump to the racism card, we got a bunch of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton wannabes up in this joint.

[phillymic2000]

Aside from the Crusades? For the people that lived there? Yes, I do. Please demonstrate otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

In 722 BCE, nearly twenty years after the initial invasions and deportations, the Assyrian King Sargon finally finished what Tiglath-Pileser III began in 740 BCE. He completed the conquest of the Northern Kingdom of Israel by taking captive the capital Samaria after a three year siege (which happened to kill Shalmaneser V) and deporting the remaining Israelites, including the ruling class, to the cities of the Medes and other disputed areas, generally believed to be in or near the vicinity of conquered lands occupied by the Assyrian Empire. Conversely, peoples from those lands were deported to Samaria. Thus, the Israelites of the Northern Kingdom were dispersed amongst the nations by being planted in the epicenter of the human migration tides of Eurasia.

Man you are so right, that sounds like a lot of fun, who wouldn't love a three year peaceful siege, and being sent on an awesome vacation to the other portions of your new leaders kingdom. Sign my ass up man, I wanna go!

[Magical_Retard]

Thats right...totally ignore the fact that they were offered their own state in 1948.

Yes, let's totally ignore the fact that Palestinians were given a plateful of shtein and refused to eat it. Let's pretend it was a swell deal which did not include having to surrender their lands to foriegners.

For fargs sake, there was no Palestinian State in 1948!!  They were offered one, but decided, along with their purported "allies" to fight the Jews instead.  Face it, the Palestinians are nothing but pawns in the Islamic world to fight the Jews.

Maybe I am not understanding you point, and I am not trying to be a ass about it, what does that have to do with anything?

Most of the nations in the Middle East you see today on the map did not exist before the last century. Not with the boundaries and names we see today. The phenomena of "COUNTRIES" is relatively new. But how does that change anything? There was no "ISRAEL" either before 1948. Yet it exists today. Israelis believe it to be their religious right to be there. How is that any more justifiable than the majority Muslim population that was living there, under whatever colonial power, wanting no part of their land being rewarded to the Jewish ppl because of what Germans did to the Jewish ppl?

You sure seemed to have figured out the Islamic world motives though...since in this thread I also learned that Jewish ppl and Muslim ppl have been fighting forever, will keep fighting forever, and basically there is no point in even trying to accomplish peace. They never lived in peace, there were no Jewish ppl in Muslim nations living peacefully or even part of the government.

I mean even though majority of the hate from the Middle East/Muslim world towards the United States and the West stems from this very action in 1948 but hey who cares right?

[Magical_Retard]

Since we're mindlessly discussing the middle east, I really like Obama's approach here.

Obama tells Arabic network US is 'not your enemy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090127/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_obama_mideast

...and it is working for now...

Obama also said that recent statements and messages issued by the al-Qaida terror network suggest they do not know how to deal with his new approach.

If anything I would just love to see Barack never ever use the word Islamist. What does it mean? Its like saying Christianist. Or Jewishist. Is it like the most "Islam" a person can be?

"They seem nervous," he told the interviewer. "What that tells me is that their ideas are bankrupt."

He's taking away their recruiting points and they don't know what to do about it.

how about an american president giving an interview to a middle eastern television station and talking about how hes has muslim family members and has lived in muslim countries and not one mention of war on terror or islamo facism...

it was just just incredibly surreal watching that interview last night...it was like i could breath again

[Magical_Retard]

Interesting WSJ article on the creation of Hamas and how Israel initially used such Islamist groups as a counterbalance to the dominant and relatively secular groups like Fatah, at least until the Hamas charter was released.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html?mod=googlenews_wsj




Oh and also Israel acts to block war crimes charges:

http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0368.htm#Top

[Butchers Bill]

Most of the nations in the Middle East you see today on the map did not exist before the last century. Not with the boundaries and names we see today. The phenomena of "COUNTRIES" is relatively new. But how does that change anything? There was no "ISRAEL" either before 1948. Yet it exists today. Israelis believe it to be their religious right to be there. How is that any more justifiable than the majority Muslim population that was living there, under whatever colonial power, wanting no part of their land being rewarded to the Jewish ppl because of what Germans did to the Jewish ppl?

That is exactly the point.  Isreal didn't "take" anything from Palestine because A) Palestine didn't exist, and B) the population of Jews to Arabs in the area at the time of the 1948 UN mandate were very, very close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

Not saying it was a great deal for the Arabs, but they chose to fight a war rather than accept a Jewish state in the area.  The "two state solution" thrown around now as a fix to all this could have been had in '48, but the Arabs didn't want it.  Now the thought of a Jewish state has become palatable to them because they realize Isreal is not going away.

[shorebird]

Do you honestly think that those transfers of power were peacful?

Aside from the Crusades? For the people that lived there? Yes, I do. Please demonstrate otherwise.

I'm no history genious, but I do know that the Umayyad and the Abbasids were two of the four Islamic Caliphates. All they did was fight and the Iraelis were there, caught in the middle. And really, ancient or otherwise, has there ever been a peacful transfer of power anywere in the Middle East?

Conquering nations of antiquity was never a "nice" little thing to do. Really read that link. Jews have been relocating to Israel from Europe since the Spanish inquisition in the 12Th century. Modern era settlements began in the 1800's.

Understand the details at least so you can back your position with some sort of intelligent thought.

Are you for real? For God's sake, the Jews or Iraelites have been there since almost the beginning of time, and have been repressed, enslaved, and massacred for, yes, thousands of years. They didn't just start settling there in the 1800's.

History of the Jews in the Land of Israel

Throughout the centuries, in spite of oppression, banishment, and slaughter, there was an uninterrupted continuity of Jewish life in the country. The Jewish community in the land of Israel has always played a unique role in Jewish history.

This article refers to the history in the Land of Israel in the boundaries defined by Canaan or as the region was later also known by its Roman name in Latin: Palaestina.

Conquering nations of antiquity was never a "nice" little thing to do.

Ha! You're talking about some of the bloodiest times ever recorded in history, and it's still goes on today and has never stopped.

[Phanatic]

Do you honestly think that those transfers of power were peacful?

Aside from the Crusades? For the people that lived there? Yes, I do. Please demonstrate otherwise.

I'm no history genious, but I do know that the Umayyad and the Abbasids were two of the four Islamic Caliphates. All they did was fight and the Iraelis were there, caught in the middle. And really, ancient or otherwise, has there ever been a peacful transfer of power anywere in the Middle East?

Conquering nations of antiquity was never a "nice" little thing to do. Really read that link. Jews have been relocating to Israel from Europe since the Spanish inquisition in the 12Th century. Modern era settlements began in the 1800's.

Understand the details at least so you can back your position with some sort of intelligent thought.

Are you for real? For God's sake, the Jews or Iraelites have been there since almost the beginning of time, and have been repressed, enslaved, and massacred for, yes, thousands of years. They didn't just start settling there in the 1800's.

History of the Jews in the Land of Israel

Throughout the centuries, in spite of oppression, banishment, and slaughter, there was an uninterrupted continuity of Jewish life in the country. The Jewish community in the land of Israel has always played a unique role in Jewish history.

This article refers to the history in the Land of Israel in the boundaries defined by Canaan or as the region was later also known by its Roman name in Latin: Palaestina.

Conquering nations of antiquity was never a "nice" little thing to do.

Ha! You're talking about some of the bloodiest times ever recorded in history, and it's still goes on today and has never stopped.

The point of my posts is to state facts. I don't think either extreme opinion posted here really comprehends the the truth of the situation.

To clarify my opinion I think these religions have been at it for one reason or another for more then 1000 years in some form or another and historical evidence BACKS that opinion.

[Phanatic]

if Israel weren't white/their enemy brown we wouldn't give two shteins about them...its why we turn a blind eye to genocide in Africa but wig out when some 14 year old kid shoots a primitive rocket into an Israeli hillside

Israel is not white. Jewish peoples origin is not white. Now what?

[Phanatic]

dp

[phillymic2000]

if Israel weren't white/their enemy brown we wouldn't give two shteins about them...its why we turn a blind eye to genocide in Africa but wig out when some 14 year old kid shoots a primitive rocket into an Israeli hillside

Israel is not white. Jewish peoples origin is not white. Now what?

What you talkin about Willis?

[shorebird]

The point of my posts is to state facts. I don't think either extreme opinion posted here really comprehends the the truth of the situation.
To clarify my opinion I think these religions have been at it for one reason or another for more then 1000 years in some form or another and historical evidence BACKS that opinion.

According to you, what is the "truth of the situation?" And if your stated facts are that Jews and Muslims have been at war for thousands of years, then I agree. Thats what I've been trying, with facts, to explain to the resident Joe Gibbs dingleberry.  

The "one way or another" that you talk about is Land and Religion. Thats it, thats what it has been for Centuries, and it will continue to be so long after you're gone. It's either Religious practices, or Religious sites. Jerusalem being the main part of and holiest of land being fought over. What ever issue or situational truth started the latest conflict, it always boils down to those two things.