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[ATV]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

So to counter my argument that things had been largely peaceful in Palestine for the last 800-1400 years you bring up the Assyrians from 2500 years ago?

Again, somebody provide some actual evidence to support the notion that this conflict has gone on "forever" or "thousands of years". Nonsense.

[ice grillin you]

if Israel weren't white/their enemy brown we wouldn't give two shteins about them...its why we turn a blind eye to genocide in Africa but wig out when some 14 year old kid shoots a primitive rocket into an Israeli hillside

Israel is not white. Jewish peoples origin is not white. Now what?

you think the white men running this country or the backwards assed middle americans like stalolololoker who would give up their first born before theyd criticze israel care about that?

again these people know nothing of the history of the jews or palestinians...all they see is white princes vs brown savages and they gotta save the white at all costs

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

So, while you guys are whining about Israel and Palestine, this Congress and this President are doing the same thing the last one did - spending a ton of money the government doesn't have.  Unfortunately, the package is overblown with pork attached for basically every Democrat in Congress and has very little to do with actually stimulating the economy (or anything else, now that free contraceptives have been pulled from it).

At some point this country is going to have to pay for these changes, but creating a majority of people that don't pay any income tax could create a large segment of the population that becomes complacent in a welfare state.

I still stand by my statements that the Democrats have certainly earned the opportunity to do their thing.  So, good luck.

[Diomedes]

I supported the funding for contraceptives.  It's a case for pay some now to save a lot more later.  That said, Obama was wise to strip it from the bill.  It's another small piece of evidence that he understands the political reality of dealing with the opposition.

[Phanatic]

The point of my posts is to state facts. I don't think either extreme opinion posted here really comprehends the the truth of the situation.
To clarify my opinion I think these religions have been at it for one reason or another for more then 1000 years in some form or another and historical evidence BACKS that opinion.

According to you, what is the "truth of the situation?" And if your stated facts are that Jews and Muslims have been at war for thousands of years, then I agree. Thats what I've been trying, with facts, to explain to the resident Joe Gibbs dingleberry.  

The "one way or another" that you talk about is Land and Religion. Thats it, thats what it has been for Centuries, and it will continue to be so long after your gone. It's either Religious practices, or Religious sites. Jerusalem being the main part of and holiest of land being fought over. What ever issue or situational truth started the latest conflict, it always boils down to those two things.

Yup...

[phillymic2000]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

So to counter my argument that things had been largely peaceful in Palestine for the last 800-1400 years you bring up the Assyrians from 2500 years ago?

Again, somebody provide some actual evidence to support the notion that this conflict has gone on "forever" or "thousands of years". Nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

The name Palestine fell out of use under the Crusaders, who called the kingdoms they established there "Outremer" (overseas). During the Crusades, Jews in Israel were massacred, burnt alive or sold into slavery.[6] The murder of Jews began during the Crusaders' travels across Europe and continued in the Holy Land.[7] Ashkenazi orthodox Jews still recite a prayer in memory of the destruction caused by the Crusades.

From 1260 to 1300 Israel became the frontier between Mongol invaders (who were Crusader allies) and the Mamluks of Egypt. The conflict impoverished the area and severely reduced its population. Sultan Baybars of Egypt eventually expelled the Crusaders and Mongols.

The collapse of the Crusades was followed by the expulsion of Jews from England (1290) and later France (1391). Muslim defeats led to expulsions of Jews from Spain (the Alhambra decree 1492) and Portugal (1497). Each expulsion and wave of religious persecution led to movement of Jews to Israel.

Under the Ottomans (1517—1917) the area was part of the province of Syria.

During the 1648—1654 Khmelnytsky Uprising in the Ukraine over 100,000 Jews were massacred in Eastern Europe, leading to further migration. The Jewish population of Israel was concentrated in the

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaestina

2.4.4 Byzantine (Eastern Roman Empire) rule (330–640 CE)
2.5 Islamic period (630-1918 CE)
2.5.1 Arab Caliphate rule (638–1099 CE)
2.5.1.1 Umayyad rule (661–750 CE)
2.5.1.2 Abbasid rule (750–969 CE)
2.5.1.3 Fatimid rule (969–1099 CE)
2.5.2 Crusader rule (1099–1187 CE)
2.5.3 Mamluk rule (1270–1516 CE)
2.5.4 Ottoman rule (1516–1831 CE)
2.5.5 Egyptian rule (1831-1841)
2.5.6 Ottoman rule (1841-1917)

I'm sure all these changes in power were peaceful like our process on January 20th.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I supported the funding for contraceptives.  It's a case for pay some now to save a lot more later.  That said, Obama was wise to strip it from the bill.  It's another small piece of evidence that he understands the political reality of dealing with the opposition.

I agree with you on this point.  Preventing people from having kids they can't afford is a good long-term strategy.  That said, most of the spending bill is short-term and will only temporarily inflate economic indicators to prevent hitting the true floor.  And when we do hit it, it's going to be really ugly.  If you Demos are all lucky, a Republican will happen to be in the White House and can be your fall guy/gal.

[Diomedes]

I agree with you on this point.  Preventing people from having kids they can't afford is a good long-term strategy.

Not to mention that condom usage--one of the most effective contraceptives--also happens to limit spread of STDs, the treatment of which is expensive and in some cases perpetual.

That said, most of the spending bill is short-term and will only temporarily inflate economic indicators to prevent hitting the true floor.  And when we do hit it, it's going to be really ugly.  If you Demos are all lucky, a Republican will happen to be in the White House and can be your fall guy/gal.

Isn't the idea to put the money into short term programs rather than long term?  That is, if we can get people working, spending, buying, borrowing, then the economy rolls on it's own power again? 
And don't conservatives prefer short term, one-time expenditure stimulus, over long term spending which would commit us to a higher level of funding going forward?

And no, let's not hope a Republican is ever in office again.  Unless you idiots decide to drop the racism, xenophobia, warmongering, free market dick sucking, destruction of civil liberties, and god worship as government.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

When I said "short-term," I meant the effect of the programs.  Most will linger long-term and are not one-offs, except for the notable pork.

The market is still better than the government at correcting itself.  It's not pretty, but you'll all learn the hard way.

[Phanatic]

Here's a good break down of the stimulus with pros and cons for each item. Some of this actually seems like it is more long term then short term. At least it attempts to be.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/26/news/economy/stimulus_101/index.htm

[shorebird]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

So to counter my argument that things had been largely peaceful in Palestine for the last 800-1400 years you bring up the Assyrians from 2500 years ago?

Again, somebody provide some actual evidence to support the notion that this conflict has gone on "forever" or "thousands of years". Nonsense.

Now, it's obvious that you aren't clicking the link provided and are reading just the post. The link is there for a reason, use it, and learn something. I realize that some people aren't smart enough to know that they don't know everything, but only people who are just plain ignoarant are too pig headed to not be able to learn anything, and argue just for the sake of argument.

By the way, your link proves nothing.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Here's a good break down of the stimulus with pros and cons for each item. Some of this actually seems like it is more long term then short term. At least it attempts to be.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/26/news/economy/stimulus_101/index.htm

Very nice.  Some of it looks great.  Some of it looks borderline retarded.

[Phanatic]

Here's a good break down of the stimulus with pros and cons for each item. Some of this actually seems like it is more long term then short term. At least it attempts to be.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/26/news/economy/stimulus_101/index.htm

Very nice.  Some of it looks great.  Some of it looks borderline retarded.

Which means they'll probably cut all of the stuff that makes sense and keep the retarded stuff.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That's what bi-partisan compromise is all about and why our government is broken.

[ATV]

The name Palestine fell out of use under the Crusaders, who called the kingdoms they established there "Outremer" (overseas). During the Crusades, Jews in Israel were massacred, burnt alive or sold into slavery...blah blah blah

Yes, the Christian crusaders hacked anyone alive they could find. This still doesn't answer the question - Aside from the Christian Crusaders, how were the remaining Jews in Palestine poorly treated? I don't understand how providing links to a page that provides no evidence, or posting quotes from any other link that has nothing to with the question, furthers your argument.

Again, my argument - The people of Palestine and the Israelites had largely lived in peace together for a mellenium before the world thought it was a great idea to make it a Jewish state. Sure, the Israelites had a tough time keeping their people together two to three thousand years ago, and sure Jwish people have been prosecuted in many places since, but this has nothing to do with the Palestinians.