Sit on it and come back next week.
Never gonna get over Choke striking out but life has to go on.
Let's just say this....moves need to be made. Can't come back with the same lineup, can't come back with Ibanez, need to younger somehow.
For now, drink. Heavily.
No one wants this thread.
It has to happen. There will be a 2011 season. At some point, you will watch baseball again.
I have complete faith in Ruben Amaro Jr. that he will build a quality baseball club for 2011.
Couple glasses of wine, birds in the morning, ready to move on. This off season will be interesting. Werth adios, do they dump any one? Who can they get in here?
I'm bummed, I'm pissed, I'm sick but 2008 is still fresh in my mind. We'll get through this. We've got some bums out there but we're going to have an incredible pitching staff. Fatty's not a bad #4.
I'll never forget what Rollins and Victorino have done for this team, but the marriage is over. Rollins is a bad hitter right now. He's not even mediocre, he's bad. Victorino this entire season was a bad hitter. Last season he was a .300 hitter until September and then ended up around .280. To drop that much in just a month is telling and it carried over into 2010. He sucked at the plate all season. He swings for the fences and batting LH he is a joke.
I understand Rollins wasn't healthy, but this is the 3rd year in a row now that he has declined at the plate. I can't even imagine what he will be like next season. We'll miss their speed on the bases, but it isn't like they stole bases when it mattered anyway. Say goodbye and bring in some guys who can actually take walks and put the ball in play.
Ibanez needs to go too, he's done.
Alright, lets do this
Rotation:
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, Kendrick/Worley/Whatever
--No one wants Blanton at 10.5 mil. No one. We're stuck. Thanks Rube.
Bullpen:
Lidge, Madson, Baez, Herdon, basticho, ?, ?
--They could buy Baez out or try again, either way, nice going Rube. Romero, Contreras, Durbin probably all too expensive to keep. Though, they need 1 reliable arm as insurance/buffer for Madson and Lidge. Perhaps the Cuban can stick.
Lineup:
Chooch, Choke, Free Pass Utley, Jimmy, Polanco, Ibanez, Victorino, HOF Brown
--Ibanez needs to be put out his misery. Victorino might have just worn out his welcome. Choke probably should be traded but his massive contract (thanks Rube) is going to prevent that for another 4 years. Will they sign Werth? How will they get younger? Otherwise, it'll stick. Victorino is really your only tradeable asset, unless you blow the entire thing up and start from scratch. Either way, in the least, we'll have a full season of Brown hitting .245 and falling well short of what Heyward did.
Bench:
Schneider, Gload, Francisco, Valdez, ?
--Valdez proved he could actually play, and with everyone always injured and getting old, they'll need him again next year. Will he, a replacement-level player who routinely grounds into double plays, be as good in 2011? No. He probably won't. You need another infielder who can spell the starters, someone not named Greg Dobbs. Otherwise, they are locked into Schneider and Gload (fine), and Francisco is sufficient as a reserve outfielder.
Unless ownership okays a massive increase in payroll, pretty much the only thing they can do is trade Victorino and hope to resign Werth. I can't think of any other logical move they could make to get better. But Rube pulled the Oswalt trade out of his ass, so maybe he can cook something up.
I'm glad you got this going. I've been thnking about it all night.
Rotation: I can live with fatty at #4 and Kendrick. Doc. Oswalt and Cole will be solid.
Bullpen: Get Durbin out of here. Definitely need another arm.
Lineup: Get rid of Victorino while you can. Raul probably won' t even play a full season. Werth probably gone but I'd love to see him back. Going to be tough to replace. Agreed that Brown is a long way away. Choke, that contract is proving to be a disaster.
Bench: Love Wilson. Guy was stellar and how awesome would that have been if he scored the tying run tonight! Dobbs, oh dear god no. I swear he's never been the same since he DH'd in Tampa during the 08 WS. Gload, Francisco and
Schneider are fine.
Correct Todd, Amaro always finds a way to pull something out of his ass and I don't think he'll stop now.
this is a stupid farging thread with horrible timing
they absolutely need to reconfigure this team. the rollins-utley-howard troika is done. if they lose werth they'll be the most left-hitting unbalanced team in the majors and adding dom brown isn't the solution either.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2010, 08:25:12 AM
this is a stupid farging thread with horrible timing
This will be correct until the Eagles' season is over.
i've done a total 180 on werth, not that i think he's as good as he's going to get paid like, but he's their best outfielder right now. they need the righty in the lineup. but they will only keep if if there's someone taking both ibanez and victorino
My early prediction: Phillies sign Cliff Lee and trade Blanton. You heard it here first.
I believe that too.
I want that. Don't know if I believe it...but I want it.
THough my pipe dream was they don't use the money to sign Werth so they can sign Cliff Lee. Just say "farg it" with the offense, go with what they got, and hope the best rotation in MLB history can bring it home.
lee will be wearing pinstripes but they won't be red
yea im sure rube will break the bank so cole hamels can not pitch 1 game in the nlcs
logic
Go team (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20101025_NLCS_loss_means_Phillies_need_a_new_plan.html)
This article mentions a lot of things, including that it might not be a bad idea to kick the tires on Pat Burrell, Jeremy Affeldt, and Juan Uribe. :-D
UPDATE: So you're TELLING ME there's a CHANCE? (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Amaro_says_Phils_want_and_can_re-sign_Werth.html)
Werth is having a press conference right now to say "later slobs I'm out"
Is he really? (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Werth_Phillies_are_on_his_list.html)
They won't give him more than 5 years, and the economics just don't work unless they're planning to dump Raul and fatass
Quote"We'll be back," Shane Victorino said. "Look at our pitching."
No, let's look at the hitting.
Well then, you wouldn't think that they'll be back. So, Vic would much prefer you focus on pitching, rather than hitting or baserunning.
im really starting to hate shane victorino
From Bill Conlin:
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Manuel does not run a boot camp in February and March. He likes his hitters to get plenty of swings, but I have written before that the regulars on this team don't get enough exhibition at-bats against major league pitching. Too many ABs are wasted on Phils farmhands destined for the minors.
Even Manuel groused, "I think sometimes we take too damn much batting practice."
Ok than take that extra batting time and work on bunting, base running and fielding.
Quote from: MDS on October 25, 2010, 04:42:21 PM
im really starting to hate shane victorino
Like I said earlier, I have always tried to support him, the local boy does good, etc. I've had it. He played like absolute shtein the whole series. The boneheaded base running blunders pushed me over the edge. Send him back to the Dodgers so the gangbangers can ridicule him.
Trade Vic & re-sign Werth and play Brown in CF
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 25, 2010, 09:45:43 PM
Trade Vic & re-sign Werth and play Brown in CF
not. possible.
werth is gone unless he decides he wants a shorter and less expensive contract. hes not an idiot. hes gonna get paid and hes gone.
brown is a corner outfielder.
come on j.
Well then put Werth in CF and play Brown in RF
And send Ibanez on the goddamn turnip truck out of town.
they can't resign werth.
he wants years and he wants money.
the phillies cant offer that.
please understand this.
They can. They won't.
Differences between the two.
Cockface should get creative and move money around to get this shtein right.
their payroll is already at 150
the only somewhat tradeable contract is victorino. ibanez is going nowhere. either you play him, bench him or cut him. hes getting paid either way. utley, choke, jimmy, oswalt, halladay, lidge they are all locked into.
shane makes 7.5 next year. thats about half of what werth will get.
again, unless ownership okays a massive increase in payroll its not possible.
hes going to get paid and i dont blame him.
why cant you understand this. everyone else can.
I do understand.
I am saying that ownership should up the ante and your homie Rube needs to handle business.
of course they should
youd have to think they can afford it
but werth is 32 and a 5 year deal could put you in a worse spot with him than you will be with choke when he mo vaughns it up in a few years
they need to get younger. id be more impressed with ownership if they eat ibanez's contract and fill in the outfield with whatever reasonable options they can find than i would be if they kept things as is and resigned werth.
They aren't winning shtein with the lineup as is. They better find a way to make it better and that task becomes even harder if Werth is gone.
We currently have 3 liabilities in the lineup with Ibanez, Rollins, Victorino plus one hole if Werth leaves. That is 4 out of 8 spots not counter the pitcher. Amaro needs to work his magic and either trade for a young disgruntled outfielder like a Colby Rasmus or do something. Brown sucks right now and if he's starting next season it will be a travesty.
guess who
QuoteThe only way to argue that Jayson had a decline in 2010 is to look at home runs, where he was down by nine. But so many other areas of his performance were up. A lot of people would say he had a better year in 2010 than he did in 2009.
Compared to '09, he was up 30 points in batting average, 15 in on-base percentage, 30 in slugging, 40 in OPS. He had fewer home runs, but he had 20 more doubles. He scored 106 runs. How many No. 5 hitters do that?
His defense was better than it has ever been and when you look at his postseason contributions ... If you really reflect on it, he had an equivalent year, a great year. This is not an athlete you can normally acquire.
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The Phillies are built to contend for several more years at a minimum. Jayson is a complete player with a record of postseason excellence. It's a good business decision to have him. He fits now and long-term. He's a five-tool guy who can play all three outfield positions. He has great value to the four players that precede him in the lineup. They have MVP type No. 3 and 4 hitters. He's a great support to them.
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As far as economics, with franchise appreciation and annual revenues, they're a top 10 franchise in baseball. They keep acquiring premium talent. They've built an annual playoff contender. And when you factor in the success of ownership outside of baseball, all the dynamics are in place to give them the economic wherewithal to retain Jayson.
These men can do anything they want to do. They can hire anyone they want, particularly ones who wear baseball uniforms. They just have to make the choice: Do they want to advance their commitment and keep the best players for their team?
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A lot of teams would want a five-tool guy with Jayson's postseason resume, middle-of-the order presence and centerfield acumen.
singleton moved to LF, will begin the year at clearwater
logical move, but you're forgetting how awful choke will be in 4 years when singleton is presumably ready
this thread was a bad idea to begin with...but its become legendary bad with the amazing amount of stupid stuff being said in it
you could say that about literally every single thing on this board
A thread to talk about the offseason moves of a professional sports team is a terrible idea. No one will ever go for it.
the good news is that Phillies fans treat opposing fans with respect (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5729471)
Quote from: charlie on October 26, 2010, 02:29:53 PM
A thread to talk about the offseason moves of a professional sports team is a terrible idea. No one will ever go for it.
only a complete homer robot would start an offseason thread within 12 minutes of being eliminated
throw in an epic choke job and a looking strike to end the season and next year shouldnt be discussed for at minimum a month
fans like you actually make me physically ill...but thats whay much of the phillies fanbase has become
way to fight team!!....get em next year
Is your rule book published somewhere?
Why would I care when this thread was started?
you have to just continually adapt to these rules
no sense in arguing, word comes as it comes
i hope you all catch ALS
how do you catch that
is it like a cold or the flu or transmitted via butt sex?
hopefully from your mom
that bitch died 8 years ago
good
She didn't even get to see Jamie Moyer turn 40. That's so sad.
you don't wish that on me, i'm confident of it
Quote from: SunMo on October 26, 2010, 03:53:21 PM
you don't wish that on me, i'm confident of it
i think there's something hot going on here.
Quote from: Rome on October 26, 2010, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: SunMo on October 26, 2010, 03:53:21 PM
you don't wish that on me, i'm confident of it
i think there's something hot going on here.
put it back in your pants uncle eddie
Romero club option DECLINED
shocking
So he'll be a Met or Brave next year and own the shtein out of Choke, Grit and Ibanez.
Who doesn't own their shtein right now anyway?
Jonathan Broxton
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Phillies_chat_with_Marcus_Hayes_102610.html
Marcus Hayes' end of the year chat when he brings up the utley/howard/rollins race issue. it's loltastic
he is a clown of epic proportions.
Here's the exchange:
Quote12:42 [Comment From PhilliesPhanPhilliesPhan: ]
It is funny that over the years Rollins and Howard get crucified in this city but Big Baby Utley gets nothing......
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:42 PhilliesPhan
12:42 Marcus: Yes. It is interesting. Except Utley is white. And he likes to curse in public. Imagine if Jimmy had done that?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:42 Marcus
12:43 [Comment From KyleKyle: ]
How was Ryan Howard hurt?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:43 Kyle
12:44 Marcus: Really? Memory loss?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:44 Marcus
12:44 [Comment From KyleKyle: ]
That's completely inaccurate concerning the farm system. The Phils have a top 10-15 farm even with the trades. The issue is that all of their talent in A ball
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:44 Kyle
12:45 Marcus: Talent in A-ball is worthless. Talent in Double-A and Triple-A means something.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Marcus
12:45 [Comment From JoeJoe: ]
Now it's a white and black issue Marcus?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Joe
12:45 Marcus: Always was.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Marcus
12:45 [Comment From JoeJoe: ]
Has nothing to do with him being white. he plays hard every play unlike Howard and rollins. Why does it have to be about race?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Joe
12:45 Marcus: Right. The black guys are lazy. The two MVPs are lazy. Where's your hood?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Marcus
12:46 [Comment From GuestGuest: ]
the arrogance of jimmy and howard contribute to people being critical of them. they are the first to accept praise. chase does not look for attention so he does not get a lot of bad attention
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Guest
12:46 Marcus: Chase hides from criticism. He hides from everything. Some leader.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Marcus
12:46 [Comment From GuestGuest: ]
i am offended by the color issue being raised here.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Guest
12:46 Marcus: Free to leave, pal.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Marcus
12:46 [Comment From Son of MarcusSon of Marcus: ]
Whoever is moderating this thing, please get rid of this prick. He sucks. Whitey whitey stuff, the snarky comments - not worth participating in AT ALL.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Son of Marcus
12:47 Marcus: I'm moderating it. And you're gone.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:47 Marcus
12:47 [Comment From KyleKyle: ]
So the 3 weeks Howard missed cost him 10-15 HR's?? thats ridiculous
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:47 Kyle
12:47 Marcus: OK. You hit on 1 leg.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:47 Marcus
12:47 [Comment From Sal Pals TeethSal Pals Teeth: ]
What team challenges the Phillies next year in NL East?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:47 Sal Pals Teeth
12:48 Marcus: Man, that's a great question. The Braves could be good for a while, but I'm no fan of Fredi Gonzalez
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:48 Marcus
12:48 [Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Thanks Marcus - finally someone in the media has the stones to say it. Howard and Rollins routinely outplay Utley, but because of his skin color, he can do no wrong. Just like Werth is a worse white version of Abreu...people hate Abreu, love Werth.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:48 Guest
12:48 Marcus: You''re welcome.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:48 Marcus
12:49 [Comment From AaronAaron: ]
Marcus, do you even like the Phillies because you predicted the Reds would beat them? Now because you have a dislike for a white athlete, you're stirring up the race issue.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:49 Aaron
12:49 Marcus: I don't dislike the Phillies. I don't dislike Utley. I do my job.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:49 Marcus
12:49 [Comment From Sal Pals TeethSal Pals Teeth: ]
I bet his hood in whiter than Sal Pal's new teeth. You make a good point Marcus. Sorry to say, race always plays an issue. Anyway, do you think Brad Lidge will continue his turnaround next year?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:49 Sal Pals Teeth
12:50 Marcus: I think he'll be spotty the rest of his career; I just can't think he's physicially sound.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:50 Marcus
12:50 [Comment From Duke FameDuke Fame: ]
In all fairness, I'm white and I hated Abreu and I hate Werth. So there.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:50 Duke Fame
12:50 Marcus: Touche.
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:50 Marcus
12:50 [Comment From GuestGuest: ]
I love when journalists make claims with no proof. Offer any evidence?
Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:50 Guest
12:52 Marcus: Are you blind, pal? You have two MVPs in town who get nothing but ripped. Rollins is worth more to this team hitting .250 than Utley hitting .300 with 30 dongs, simply because he can catch. And what have Howard or Rollins done that was remotely as vulgar and offensive as what Utley did after the parade? Evidence? World Bleeping Champions? Come on.
Quote from: Rome on October 27, 2010, 11:01:43 AM
he is a clown of epic proportions.
he is, but he's right on that thing
he's right that there's racists galore in philly. of course he'd be right saying water is wet too but it's completely unnecessary to bring it up when everyone knows it's an indisputable fact.
The national media is as much to blame for the lack of Utley hate as anybody, so I guess they're the racists.
And I'm sick of Utley at this point anyway. Rollins still plays a ridiculously good SS and adds positive value even when not great at the plate. Utley chokes all over the field and puts kerosene in his hair.
Utley is getting ripped daily now. Does that mean the racist have changed ttheir ways ? To me it wasnt so much race but more that rollins and howard were the two that were always in front of the camera doing interviews, going sports show calling out the fans. Not that race isnt part of it but its not the main reason.
Quote from: smeags on October 27, 2010, 11:16:34 AM
Utley is getting ripped daily now. Does that mean the racist have changed ttheir ways ? To me it wasnt so much race but more that rollins and howard were the two that were always in front of the camera doing interviews, going sports show calling out the fans. Not that race isnt part of it but its not the main reason.
yes it is
race is the main reason but not necessarily overt racism...lot of it is subconcious type stuff like people seeing the white player as salt of the earth type guy hard worker..where as the black players get back on physical talent that they were naturally born with
what i dont get is why is this being brought up now....its been going on for like five years now
I enjoy how Utley winces after every single play, and then stares at his hands/fingers/glove/wrists/bat like they wronged him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2010, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: smeags on October 27, 2010, 11:16:34 AM
Utley is getting ripped daily now. Does that mean the racist have changed ttheir ways ? To me it wasnt so much race but more that rollins and howard were the two that were always in front of the camera doing interviews, going sports show calling out the fans. Not that race isnt part of it but its not the main reason.
yes it is
race is the main reason but not necessarily overt racism...lot of it is subconcious type stuff like people seeing the white player as salt of the earth type guy hard worker..where as the black players get back on physical talent that they were naturally born with
what i dont get is why is this being brought up now....its been going on for like five years now
where's the proof. have any evidence ? like freddie mentioned is the national media full of racists too ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2010, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: smeags on October 27, 2010, 11:16:34 AM
Utley is getting ripped daily now. Does that mean the racist have changed ttheir ways ? To me it wasnt so much race but more that rollins and howard were the two that were always in front of the camera doing interviews, going sports show calling out the fans. Not that race isnt part of it but its not the main reason.
yes it is
race is the main reason but not necessarily overt racism...lot of it is subconcious type stuff like people seeing the white player as salt of the earth type guy hard worker..where as the black players get back on physical talent that they were naturally born with
what i dont get is why is this being brought up now....its been going on for like five years now
igy is on point here
Whenever I criticize Utley someone always counters with "he must be injured". You never hear that with Howard or Rollins.
you heard the injury excuse for rollins most of this year.
maybe i just don't see it because the people i surround myself with have ripped utley for his choking.
Quote from: smeags on October 27, 2010, 11:43:00 AM
you heard the injury excuse for rollins most of this year.
Especially during the few months on the DL
Quote from: smeags on October 27, 2010, 11:43:00 AM
you heard the injury excuse for rollins most of this year.
Yes because he was actually injured. Every time Utley slumps it's always "he must be injured".
Quote from: SD on October 27, 2010, 11:40:45 AM
Whenever I criticize Utley someone always counters with "he must be injured". You never hear that with Howard or Rollins.
ALWAYS
also no one has worked harder than choke at improving his fielding...plus he made it a point to get in much better shape and condition over the last couple years....but you never hear fans talk about that when it comes to him...
on the other hand one of the foundations for utleys reputation as a do anything for the team blue collar man was the first three or four years of his career and how he improved his fielding so much...and you constantly heard how hard he worked at it...which was true and he should have been credited for it...but when utley did it it was the most amazing thing ever and the results were waaaaay overrated...shtein beane used to come on these boards all the time and talk about utley being the best fielding second basemen in the majors...which is a joke
choke did the same thing plus he went for 50-150 every year and people wanna trade him
Quote from: SD on October 27, 2010, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: smeags on October 27, 2010, 11:43:00 AM
you heard the injury excuse for rollins most of this year.
Yes because he was actually injured. Every time Utley slumps it's always "he must be injured".
several on this site say that.
Part of the deal with Utley is that he has in the past (2008) played injured without it being known. So, when he slumps/declines, people WANT to assume that it's more of the same because the alternative is that he's just not very good and actually getting worse.
The real reason they lost? God wasn't with them.
Quote"I pulled for those guys individually," he said. "But I didn't mind seeing them get beat, either. Just because they got rid of me. That is what it is."
Cliff Lee, beast.
Any articles on hope in the minors? I looked at the AAA and AA rosters and wasn't blown away.
Nope. They do not have anyone poised to contribute from within next season aside from HOF Brown and perennial candidate Mathieson.
why did hayes have to ruin the entire thing by whining about the world farging champs comment? that was awesome and anyone who thinks it was vulgar deserves to die.
I'll take "World farging Champions!" over that gay ass Journey "Don't Stop Believing" any day.
this is the Phillies secret weapon for next year (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/64589/title/Winning_the_World_Series_with_math)
Quote from: MDS on October 27, 2010, 02:09:23 PM
was awesome and anyone who thinks it was vulgar deserves to die.
wow, we agree on something.
But kids could have heard it! They might see it on t-shirts too! Even if it's bleeped out it's still vulger!
I'm not a fan of dropping f-bombs in public like that, but they had just won the series, so who gives a crap? Why is this being talked about 2 years later?
The Utley worship is out of control. Hayes is a flaming douchebag.
The comment about him working hard and Choke and Rollins not is all people need to see.
Quote from: Munson on October 27, 2010, 07:29:35 PM
But kids could have heard it! They might see it on t-shirts too! Even if it's bleeped out it's still vulger!
Have them watch a Phils/Birds/Flyers game with ole Uncle Don. Vulger is being nice.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 27, 2010, 07:36:11 PM
I'm not a fan of dropping f-bombs in public like that, but they had just won the series, so who gives a crap? Why is this being talked about 2 years later?
farging Hoyda
nm
Quote from: Don Ho on October 27, 2010, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: Munson on October 27, 2010, 07:29:35 PM
But kids could have heard it! They might see it on t-shirts too! Even if it's bleeped out it's still vulger!
Have them watch a Phils/Birds/Flyers game with ole Uncle Don. Vulger is being nice.
I was just alluding to the fake uproar seen here on Cf from people when I posted that a friend of mine was not allowed into CBP wearing a shirt that had "World Ph!$King Champions" written on it, symbols and all and it was all "ooo that's classless, kids might see that shirt! White trash!" blah blah blah. It's Philadelphia and those kids are going to hear a lot worse in the stands....or from their Uncle Don Ho.
Get? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5735166)
how did i know you were going to post this.
But seriously, he is still one of the best left-handed hitters to ever play the game, no?
he was a great "hitter" until he started injecting himself with silverback gorilla hormones.
No doubt he juiced big-time, but he was a 5-tool player before that. Clearly, the bums aren't really getting much off of the likes of Gross and Thompson anymore, so maybe it's time to bring in some roid rage.
yeah but happens if the team doesn't hit and bonds gets ripped on and some people claim it's racism because greg gross didn't hear as much as bonds and thompson ?
I'm willing to take that chance.
Quote from: FastFreddie on October 28, 2010, 10:01:31 AM
I'm willing to take that chance.
ok, you convinced me in less than 5 posts. make it happen boy wonder !
roids makes you a great hitting coach. Look at how awesome the Cardinals and Astros offenses were this year
I don't really have any interest in adding Bonds necessarily, but he was one of the best LFers ever in the game before he got juiced up (if people's theories on when he started juicing are correct).
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 28, 2010, 10:42:03 AM
I don't really have any interest in adding Bonds necessarily, but he was one of the best LFers ever in the game before he got juiced up (if people's theories on when he started juicing are correct).
Bonds, even in his youth, was barely a serviceable left fielder....after all, this is the guy who couldn't throw out an 80 year old Sid Bream in the 92 NLCS. He was in the league for his bat and only his bat.
To be fair, 90% of left fielders have to be reminded as to which hand wears the glove and which one throws.
Actually he led the league in outfield assists from LF for 6 years in his career, is 2nd all time in assists from a LF, has 8 gold gloves, and if you want to venture into sabermetric land, he had one of the highest range factors in baseball while he was playing. Pretty sure he was universally considered an elite defensive LF until late in his career.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01-field.shtml
just curious....how do you win 8 gold gloves in LF if you're not serviceable?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 28, 2010, 10:58:45 AM
Actually he led the league in outfield assists from LF for 6 years in his career, is 2nd all time in assists from a LF, has 8 gold gloves, and if you want to venture into sabermetric land, he had one of the highest range factors in baseball while he was playing. Pretty sure he was universally considered an elite defensive LF until late in his career.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bondsba01-field.shtml
nu-uh!
dog pile on sassy!
Quote from: Rome on October 28, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
dog pile on sassy!
Careful, Chuggie can smell an opening like this miles away.
This conversation has AIDS.
now you do too.
Yeah but it was totally worth it.
agreed, we should have a romantic dinner.
Yeah, "barely serviceable" wasn't the best choice of words there. But I still don't think Bonds was ever really spectacular in LF, regardless of the gold gloves because we all know that the GG is subjective and often times a popularity contest more so than being indicative of actual performance. We he a decent/good outfielder in his younger days? Sure, why not. But for the majority of his career he was on the field for his bat, not his glove.
Still, I don't care how many assists he had, gold gloves, etc, etc, there's absolutely no excuse for not being able to throw out Sid farging Bream.
Im going to have to say you're so way off on this Sarge. Bonds was an "all-around" stud until he juiced and considered one of the best outfielders of his time. He was quick as shtein, could chase down the ball with the best of them and a more than adequate arm (minus the bream play which was only a little off-line anyway).
Im not too sure where you're coming up with this.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 28, 2010, 12:31:46 PM
Yeah, "barely serviceable" wasn't the best choice of words there. But I still don't think Bonds was ever really spectacular in LF, regardless of the gold gloves because we all know that the GG is subjective and often times a popularity contest more so than being indicative of actual performance.
if 2nd all time in assists isn't spectacular then i can't wait to hear what you think of the guy in 3rd place.
those assists only happened because he was popular.
That guy probably should have avoided not only baseball but professional sports altogether.
Quote from: charlie on October 28, 2010, 10:57:16 AM
To be fair, 90% of left fielders have to be reminded as to which hand wears the glove and which one throws.
Victorino plays left field?
Quote from: reese125 on October 28, 2010, 10:59:03 AM
just curious....how do you win 8 gold gloves in LF if you're not serviceable?
thank you.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 28, 2010, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 28, 2010, 10:42:03 AM
I don't really have any interest in adding Bonds necessarily, but he was one of the best LFers ever in the game before he got juiced up (if people's theories on when he started juicing are correct).
Bonds, even in his youth, was barely a serviceable left fielder....after all, this is the guy who couldn't throw out an 80 year old Sid Bream in the 92 NLCS. He was in the league for his bat and only his bat.
holy shtein
i thought sassy hated baseball?
whatever.
DOG PILE ON THE WABBIT!!
dobbs and moyer go bye bye
Quote from: smeags on October 28, 2010, 12:56:32 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 28, 2010, 12:31:46 PM
Yeah, "barely serviceable" wasn't the best choice of words there. But I still don't think Bonds was ever really spectacular in LF, regardless of the gold gloves because we all know that the GG is subjective and often times a popularity contest more so than being indicative of actual performance.
if 2nd all time in assists isn't spectacular then i can't wait to hear what you think of the guy in 3rd place.
I don't know who is in 3rd place but he probably sucked. And killed dogs and spit on fans and took a called 3rd strike to end an LCS.
Anyway, I went and looked up Bonds' career fielding numbers and they are much better than I thought. I'll be damned though if I can't recall a single spectacular play he ever made. Probably because he was such a great hitter even before the roids not to mention that I always think of Sid Bream whenever Bonds comes up.
Dude, Brandon Duckworth is on CSN right now. I had no idea he was still in the league, let alone still in the Phillies farm system. Holy shtein.
Now there's a name we haven't heard in awhile. Where is he playing?
I beleive he was signed to lehigh valley during the season this year.
Lopes won't be back, and it's because of money. He thinks he's worth more than just a regular 1B coach
they dont run anymore anyway
How much more does he want?
It doesn't matter...Prickface hates him anways. Has since he admonished him for talking about the injuries.
Get Juan Samuel.
Get Juan Williams
two things:
1. can vegas open an over/under line for shane victorino stolen bases next year? because holy hell him running without lopes is gonna be brutal.
2. very telling that they wouldnt give lopes the extra 100k or whatever he was looking for. they wont budge on a 1st base coaches salary they certainly arent budging on werth, contreras, durbin, etc.
iceholes.
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Lopes: "I undertand the pecking order ... pitching coaches, hitting coaches, bench coaches. I wasn't looking for that kind of money."
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Lopes on quitting: "If people say it's monetary. I say it's principle. You value the people that you have, you compensate them for it."
Ruben Amaro being a fleshpophead again.
Shocker.
is it amaro or is it monty and the silent partners?
it's amaro. they could ticket prices two cents each and pay for lopes' raise out of pocket change.
bottom line is amaro wants to shake things up and new blood is his idea of getting better.
i think its probably more of a case of lopes steppin to amaro to get a raise and amaros ego not allowing him to listen and basically being like how dare you.....if you want new blood get rid of that pos perlozzo....either way its definitely rube
Perlozzo is a POS?
Better than Bill Dancy and Steve Smith. And he got Choke all straight, except for the throwing, at 1B.
he old and senile and donovan is better than brad goebel but he still sucks
Oh Brad Goebel, where have you gone!?
And I'm back to hating the Phillies FO again. Nickle and diming this shtein Joe Banner style. Seriously, an extra 100k for a 1st base coach and they won't do it? I figured that after trading for Oswalt that they were at least committed to over spending a little if it meant keeping them at the top of the NL and they weren't going to be penny pinching. These fargers basically have a license to print money if they make sure they put the best possible team on the field and it's starting to look like they're going to be content with just competing for the playoffs rather than another WFC, a la the Eagles.
Shouldn't shock you.
Amaro is a monumental prick and this is a monumentally prickish move. Par for the course for the guy who thinks he is smarter than he really is.
It shouldn't, but after winning it all in 2008, the FO actually went out and spent money to try and make the team even better. It seemed like they weren't content with 1 championship and that they were going to open up their wallets a little more to make sure that they were a team to be reckoned with for years to come. Granted, I don't think the loss of Lopes dramatically impacts this team. It's not like he's taking 20 wins out the door with him. But people with a winning mentality recognize the contributions of everyone on the payroll and they compensate them accordingly. Hate the Yankees all you want for overspending in free agency, but the other thing they do that gets very little attention is that they make sure that their own people get caked off. They take care of their own first.
i really dont think this is about money.....they make over a 100k in parking receipts a game....this is about rubes ego and making a stand
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 01, 2010, 08:15:33 PM
And I'm back to hating the Phillies FO again. Nickle and diming this shtein Joe Banner style. Seriously, an extra 100k for a 1st base coach and they won't do it? I figured that after trading for Oswalt that they were at least committed to over spending a little if it meant keeping them at the top of the NL and they weren't going to be penny pinching. These fargers basically have a license to print money if they make sure they put the best possible team on the field and it's starting to look like they're going to be content with just competing for the playoffs rather than another WFC, a la the Eagles.
Yeah, totally. They are totally unwilling to spend money to win.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 02, 2010, 07:07:31 AM
i really dont think this is about money.....they make over a 100k in parking receipts a game....this is about rubes ego and making a stand
Which makes it worse because the farging guy has no reason to have such a huge ego. He hasn't done shtein. ANd what exactly is he making a stand for? So others can say "oh that Amaro guy, what a tough guy, don't buck or else he'll send you packing"
Not a way to treat people.
wow, what a shake-up rubes.
Looking at the list of free agents, you could put together a 25-man roster of just current and ex-Phillies:
1B Sweeney
2B Cairo
SS Punto
3B Feliz
LF Burrell
CF Werth
RF Branyan
C Barajas
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1B/DH Thome
1B/3B Dobbs
IF Juan Castro
OF/DH Stairs
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SP Lee
SP Pedro Martinez
SP Millwood
SP Padilla
SP Moyer
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RP Park
RP Bruce Chen
RP Rodrigo Lopez
RP Tyler Walker
RP Durbin
RP Arthur Rhodes
RP Romero
CL Contreras
(AAA mention = Nate Robertson, Freddy Garcia)
They'd probably finish higher than the Mets
easy...jesus
damn right I am
there goes my belief system.
you could do that with every team in the majors
the question is why did easy do it
and the answer is because hes easy
hes the king
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 02, 2010, 02:38:22 PM
you could do that with every team in the majors
maybe the Yankees, but you won't find 10 ex-Pirates or ex-Royals
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 02, 2010, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 02, 2010, 02:38:22 PM
you could do that with every team in the majors
maybe the Yankees, but you won't find 10 ex-Pirates or ex-Royals
Sure you could. It's just that every ex-Royal/Pirate was traded before they could leave via free agency.
QuoteSI_JonHeyman
hearing #phillies might consider ex-phillie aaron rowand (if #sfgiants pay most of salary) or maybe magglio ordonez
Ummmm...not sure.
so they want to get even more older, washed up and slower than they are now?
Dude, he RAN INTO THE WALL!
bartender....double shot of GRIT!
Mulder?
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:yay
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20101103_Bill_Conlin__If_Dodgers_steal_Lopes__Phillies_should_get_Bowa.html?nlid=3316063 (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20101103_Bill_Conlin__If_Dodgers_steal_Lopes__Phillies_should_get_Bowa.html?nlid=3316063)
Mulder or Scullly?
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Phillies_increase_ticket_prices.html
Ticket prices going up...say hello to Werth and Lee bitches
as much as i would love lee signing him would be literally the biggest waste of money this sideof andy ashby
maybe for next year, but once oswalt leaves after next year is the same situation they had last year
I would gladly bet $20 that the Phillies do not sign Werth AND Lee. I'll even give a push if they sign one of them. Because they won't.
they are getting one of them, i was joking about both.
So that means they will end up with Magglio Ordonez and Kevin Millwood
I think my official prediction is that Victorino gets moved and they sign Werth as a CF.
Blanton is also a possibility to be moved.
they would like to move Raul but who the farg is taking him
the same people who would take blanton
i think utley gets traded to the AL and becomes a DH
Quote from: SunMo on November 05, 2010, 12:02:51 PM
I think my official prediction is that Victorino gets moved and they sign Werth as a CF.
Blanton is also a possibility to be moved.
they would like to move Raul but who the farg is taking him
Maybe the Angels? Would they be able to use him?
Ibanez seems to be losing his stroke at the plate faster than his fielding capability (not that there was much of that anyway), so he's an equally bad fit on an AL team.
If Amaro could move Ibanez or Blanton without paying the bulk of either's salary, he'd do it in a heartbeat. So, both of them will be Phillies in 2011.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Free_Agent_Watch_A_look_at_the_Relievers__.html
The relievers....looks like some good parts available.
I saw from Heyman that Takahasi wants 3/$15M ahahaha
Good shtein. Thanks Phreak. Lot of descent players available. Let's do it Rueben.
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yep, it's over.
So whats the prediction fellas, 4th place?
yea they are gonna win 60 games next year
halladay, oswalt and hamels are terrible
6th
My ticket plan better have a few marquis games on it to flip on stubhub to recoup the increase in price.
I'm having a hard time seeing them even winning a single series next year.
59-103 if they're lucky.
now i know why this isnt known as the smartest message board on the internet
just now?
I didn't know the update rankings were posted. holy shtein
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 05, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
now i know why this isnt known as the smartest message board on the internet
$20 from michael the phillies dont make the playoffs
$10 from todd the philles do make the playoffs
wow you are slow
Hoyda
It'll be a decent descent.
there's nothing worse than descent among the ranks.
QuoteSI_JonHeyman
philly's been trying to keep jayson werth. but i see #redsox as most likely destination
Werth or Lee....make one happen
If they don't get either of those two guys, what the hell do they do? Go after Crawford or something?
i would love to see carl crawford in a phillies uniform.
i would love to see munson's face get ripped off by a lion but somethings just unfortunately wont happen
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Quote from: Rome on November 07, 2010, 02:27:53 PM
i would love to see carl crawford in a phillies uniform.
He bats left, in other words no way.
He wants 7/$105. What's the holdup?
Who...Werth or Crawford?
And the Yanks contacted Lee's agent. Shocking!
Crawford
ah but relax everyone....the Phils are supposedly interested in Eddie Bonine!
oh and Moyer's elbow exploded again
Ah yeah, Eddie Bovine.
Alls well.
WTF is an Eddie Bovine?
Ryne Sandberg is a candidate for the IronPigs job
Hopefully Ivan DeJesus is not also a candidate.
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/11/samuel_headed_to_philly.html
QuoteDon't be surprised if Juan Samuel winds up as the Phillies' first base coach.
It looked last week like Samuel had committed to staying in Baltimore as the Orioles' third base coach, but MLB.com's Brittany Ghiroli reports today that Samuel is exploring other options.One of those options is replacing Davey Lopes, who left the Phillies last week when he and the Phillies couldn't agree on a new contract.
The Phillies have spoken with Samuel about a job, although it is unclear if they have made an formal offer. But it is accurate to say the Phillies are interested in Samuel.
It certainly makes sense. Samuel has ties with the Phillies. He could fill Lopes' role as an outfield and base running instructor. He also would be the Phillies' only minority coach on staff. The Phillies fired Milt Thompson in July before Lopes said he would not return.
Phillies' Prospects You Should Remember (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/106941943.html)
QuoteJustin DeFratus, Josh Zeid and Matthew Rizzotti.
I'm glad that those prospects Rube got in the Lee trade are among the prospects we should be keeping an eye on.
Stark says:
-No way in hell the Phillies bring back Werth
-Very unlikely that they sign a "big" name like Magglio Ordonez, instead look for someone like Jeff Francoeur (if that)
-They are trying to re-sign Contreras and then primarily left-handed bullpen help
Go team.
Shaney won his 3rd straight Gold Glove today.
Grit did not.
Chooch wuz robbed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 10, 2010, 06:39:01 PM
Stark says:
-No way in hell the Phillies bring back Werth
-Very unlikely that they sign a "big" name like Magglio Ordonez, instead look for someone like Jeff Francoeur (if that)
-They are trying to re-sign Contreras and then primarily left-handed bullpen help
Go team.
Make the bullpen as impenetrable as possible...because I have a sinking feeling the offense won't be lightin' it up.
ex-Brave/Nat Pete Orr signed a minor league deal
Juan Samuel - 3B coach
Sam Perlozzo - 1B coach
That icehole Randy Miller is reporting that the Phils have made contact with Jermaine Dye and Dye has told folks that he would look good in pinstripes.
He was out of baseball for a year mainly because he priced himself out of a job. This would be a good signing.
Dye is fine if they sign him to a one year deal. Just don't do a retarded 3 year deal like they did with Ibanez.
I was a big Dye fan but he's probably not an everyday player. It wouldn't be bad, but it wouldn't be great either. I'd like to see this team get younger, not older. Like SD said, sign him to a 1 yr deal but add some incentives. And he shouldn't be anything more than a platoon OF at this point.
is it 2006?
and does J have a crush on every single washed up player in sports?
Quote from: MDS on November 11, 2010, 11:00:14 PM
is it 2006?
and does J have a crush on every single washed up player in sports?
Say what?
1. hes 36
2. he hit .251...2 years ago
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 11, 2010, 07:54:37 PM
This would be a good signing.
Obviously Phreak, you are using the language of love when talking about Dye. It's perfectly natural though......McNabb is gone and you've got to fill the need for chocolate lovin' somewhere.
Quote from: MDS on November 11, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
1. hes 36
2. he hit .251...2 years ago
Thirty farging six? He's almost as old as Rome and I.
WTF, maybe he'll go all Renteria and Uribe for us.
MDS - as a platoon player, dipshtein.
oh so an ibanez/dye platoon? because 2 washed up players = 1 good player?
I would rather have him than Francoeur
Why would you want either one?
They're going to sign a RH hitting OF and that clown Francoeur was mentioned along with a few others. I would take Dye
I think their both useless and dont want any part of them.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2010, 08:31:17 PMah but relax everyone....the Phils are supposedly interested in Eddie Bonine!
and he signed. Great. A 6'5" reliever that uses knuckleballs
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 12, 2010, 01:50:51 PM
They're going to sign a RH hitting OF and that clown Francoeur was mentioned along with a few others. I would take Dye
simmer down there glenn beck, dont be so reactionary to random early FA season rumors
its not even thanksgiving yet
QuoteThe Phillies are showing interest in Hisanori Takahashi, reports ESPNNewYork.com's Adam Rubin. Philadelphia declined J.C. Romero's option a few weeks ago, so they're in the market for a left-handed reliever.
The Mets were unable to work out a new contract with Takahashi despite numerous deadline extensions earlier this month, and they were contractually obligated to release him. The 35 year old is reportedly seeking a three-year deal worth upwards of $15MM coming off his first season in MLB. In 122 innings with New York, he struck out 8.4 men per nine innings and walked 3.2, resulting in a 3.61 ERA. Takahashi made a dozen starts and 41 relief appearances, filling in as closer when Francisco Rodriguez was injured late in the season.
Tim Dierkes examined Takahashi's free agent stock in-depth back in September.
rumors that Contreras re-signed...2/$5M + option for 3rd yr
the 2.5 they might have to eat in 2012 when his arm falls off shouldnt even matter to a franchise printing money at the rate the phillies are...but it will. every indication right now is they are setting their imaginary salary cap and want to platoon hof brown with some reject washed up outfielder and run ibanez out every day.
sickening considering they have to means to pay werth and eat ibanez's contract but simply arent because the silent partners want their money. that one i wont pit on rube, i figure if they gave the go ahead hed do this. but then again hes such an egomaniac that cutting ibanez (and therefore admitting hes finished) will make him look bad since hes the one who gave him 3 years in the first place. hmmm.
I will puke if they give Takahashi a 3-year johnson.
they are old anyway and if their window isnt shut then its drafty
even if everything went perfect for them next year they probably dont get thru the giants...ie no injuries no awful platoon in right utley and jimmy are 27 again and the team in general doesnt age another year
I wouldn't say that the Giants are the team to beat, though.
The Giants caught lightning in a bottle. Yeah their pitching is solid but their lineup got hot at the right time. Teams like that don't repeat. I'll put a 50 johnson on it the Giants don't make it to the World Series next season.
The Phillies have hired Ryne Sandberg to manage the Triple-A Lehigh Vallley Iron Pigs
Quote from: SD on November 15, 2010, 08:46:49 AM
The Giants caught lightning in a bottle. Yeah their pitching is solid but their lineup got hot at the right time. Teams like that don't repeat. I'll put a 50 johnson on it the Giants don't make it to the World Series next season.
i dont know if they will make it to the world series but the phillies arent going thru them
I smell a bet.
SD has the Phillies, you have the Giants. $50 to whichever team goes further into the playoffs. Neither team making the playoffs or getting knocked out in the same round nullifies the bet.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 15, 2010, 11:22:41 AM
Quote from: SD on November 15, 2010, 08:46:49 AM
The Giants caught lightning in a bottle. Yeah their pitching is solid but their lineup got hot at the right time. Teams like that don't repeat. I'll put a 50 johnson on it the Giants don't make it to the World Series next season.
i dont know if they will make it to the world series but the phillies arent going thru them
lineup is even older than the phillies and bullpen outside of wilson is unlikely to repeat
they get a few bats, sure, theyre right there. but as of now there really is no favorite. in fact florida may be the closest team if they spent a little bit of cash.
the big difference is the giants can add quality pieces to an already ws champion team....the phillies are getting older and more awful while downgrading at positions
if the phillies keep werth or replace him with carl crawford then you have to look at in a different way...but if the philies go into next year with their major changes being an awful platooon in right and a bunch of minor league kids filling out the bullpen then the giants will still be better
youve been preaching to the they are finished choir since 2006....i guess it aint time to get off that ship yet, huh?
i like the sandberg signing. how funny would it be if he finally returned to the phillies as cholly's replacement?
shut up
im gonna throw out this to say i was the first:
was listening to simmons and buster olney talk hot stove last night during a run. olney said ryan braun could be had for the right price. i got a boner.
hes locked up through 2015. hes due 1.2 this year, then 4.2, then 6.2, 8.7 and 10.2. that is incredibly cheap. hes 27. hes in his prime. .307/.364/.918, 32 hr, 104 rbi would his averages. .304 with RISP.
milwaukee wants pitching in return. i have no idea what the phillies have left but i think we all know that the window is just about closed on this. 2011 maybe, 2012 if things fall into place. then its over. getting him turns 2011 into a definite and 2012 into a probably.
not sure if its even possible...but it would be the move to make. its exactly what they need.
Quote from: Rome on November 15, 2010, 04:15:24 PMhow funny would it be if he finally returned to the phillies as cholly's replacement?
Eskin said it could happen
He also said there's zero chance Donovan gets an extension
Halladay is 13th ever unanimous winner of the Cy Young. He received all 32 first-place votes from two writers in each league city to score a perfect 224 points
cy halladay part deux unaminously
He's pretty good.
Leave it to the Eagles once again to steal all the thunder. Geez ::)
Good for him. Phillies didn't win the series though, so they really don't matter much right now.
T Mac's/Wheels replacement audition:
http://www.khon2.com/content/sports/story/Shane-Victorino-fills-in-for-Kanoa-Leahey/gckyLpcMnE61nhC1H0Zb7w.cspx (http://www.khon2.com/content/sports/story/Shane-Victorino-fills-in-for-Kanoa-Leahey/gckyLpcMnE61nhC1H0Zb7w.cspx)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 16, 2010, 09:41:35 PM
Good for him. Phillies didn't win the series though, so they really don't matter much right now.
doesnt matter ever....not only did they lose but hes been a phillie for less than a year....i have no connection to this guy whatsoever other than he helps the team win....i honestly care more about victorinos gold glove than i do halladays cy young
pfft... he's only the 4th best pitcher in the division anyway.
Cliff Lee.
Quote from: charlie on November 17, 2010, 08:40:46 AM
pfft... he's only the 4th best pitcher in the division anyway.
4th best pitcher in the nlcs
He sucks
Tommy Hanson is better
lefty reliever Dan Meyer signed a 1-yr deal
from woodbury....im sure he will be a fan favorite
fwiw he's the only lefty pitcher that has faced Choke more than 5 times and never struck him out
Amaro compares Ibanez to Werth (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Amaro_Jr_Ibanez_almost_as_productive_as_Werth.html)
...then apparently told other GMs that Raul is available for trade
To which they responded one of three ways:
1. LOL
2. "No shtein, Sherlock!"
3. punched him in his cratered face
Halladay finished 6th in MVP voting, Werth 8th, Choke 10th
What about Raul? I heard he had just as good a season as Werth so he must have finished 9th, right?
Utley should have finished higher because of grit.
Lopes went back to the Dodgers to be their 1B coach
and the Phils officially announced all their minor league managers:
LV = Sandberg
Reading = Mark Parent (was at Lakewood)
Clearwater = Dusty Wathan (no change)
Lakewood = Chris Truby (was at Williamsport)
Williamsport = Mickey Morandini (yea really)
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 22, 2010, 03:15:59 PM
Utley should have finished higher because of grit.
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Phils offered Werth arbitration. OMGHE'STOATSCOMINGBACK
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 22, 2010, 10:35:01 PM
Lopes went back to the Dodgers to be their 1B coach
and the Phils officially announced all their minor league managers:
LV = Sandberg
Reading = Mark Parent (was at Lakewood)
Clearwater = Dusty Wathan (no change)
Lakewood = Chris Truby (was at Williamsport)
Williamsport = Mickey Morandini (yea really)
Quote
Biography
Christopher John Truby...his wife's name is Veronica...graduated from Damien Memorial (Honolulu, Hawaii) High in
1992...originally signed by Houston scout Greg Whitworth.
Ya boy! Damien Memorial, home of Don jr.
Apparently the Phils are close to re-signing Werth. Link?
If you're getting that from Phil from Mount Airy on the Fanatic I wouldn't take it too serious.
According to Werth, he isn't close to signing with anyone (http://www.csnphilly.com/11/28/10/Werth-Says-Hes-Not-Close-to-Signing--Any/landing_phillies.html?blockID=362004&feedID=704)
I would expect that no one really knows how close except Boras.
Quote from: SD on November 28, 2010, 08:10:28 PM
If you're getting that from Phil from Mount Airy on the Fanatic I wouldn't take it too serious.
:-D
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 28, 2010, 08:38:25 PM
I would expect that no one really knows how close except Boras.
Pretty sure Boras leaked this rumor to drum up interest in his client. I don't think Werth is going to get nearly what he thinks he is.
Would you offer Kyle Kendrick arbitration?
Nope. Your 5 starter is as close to irrelevant as you will get, especially with the amount of money you're paying 1-4. Plug in anyone, it doesn't matter.
Domonic Brown is struggling mightily in the Dominican league. Not good.
So he's picked up where he left off this past season. Wonderful.
Kendrick and Francisco tendered. Braves did not tender Matt Diaz, and Phils are interested.
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Huuuuuge head. Like an orange on a toothpick!
Yikes! That reminds me of that Raider Chuckie Voodoo doll smeags broke out awhile back.
Werth signed a 7 year deal with the Nats according to Zolecki
The Nats? Really? When a player goes to the Sawx or Yanks, they get caked off but also have a legit shot at winning a championship. When they sign with the Nats it's because they just want to get paid and don't give a shtein about anything else.
when its your first and last big contract the player is always going to go for the money as they should
awesome that this happens less than 24 hours after HOF brown hits .0000001 in winter league and is brought back home because hes tired
Matt Diaz will save this team.
And good for Werth getting a 7-year johnson.
Quote from: SD on December 05, 2010, 04:53:30 PM
Werth signed a 7 year deal with the Nats according to Zolecki
$126 million
lolololololololololo
1 million dollars more than Ryan Howard, for a longer period of time
I wonder what the salaries on the last year or two of that deal is.
good for werth & better for the phillies.
that contract will haunt the nationals for years to come.
Wow.
That is an awful contract for the Nats.
Good for Werth and Boras for hoodwinking someone into paying that much.
Reading that opposing GMs and executives are going nuts over the deal because it is so huge....
Boras has the Nats by the balls ever since the Strasburg and Harper deals
Haha. Smart move for werth. He's got his ring, now he's got his $. He's be an idiot to fo anything else.
But holy hell lol @ the nats
Any question Boras is the best agent in baseball?
farg werth
Mets GM Alderson: "that makes some of our deals look good"
Ha.
More Alderson: "I thought they were trying to reduce the deficit in Washington"
Thanks for the memories. Now please break your penis off in Strasburg's ass.
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Werth chugging a handle of vodka on the parade route that the dude next to me threw up to him was my favorite moment that day. Best of luck to Jayson. Horrible contract, but good for him.
In addition to Matt Diaz, they're also interested in Scott Hairston.
Oh those Nationals.
Phils get Diaz, shtein, that would be great.
I got this from a good 'source', the Phils best offer to Werth was 3 years $48 million
haha thats insulting
shtein even if you doubled that offer it still doesn't sniff what Washington dropped.
I read that when Boras saw Washington's offer he didn't even go back to any of the other teams.
I cant get over that deal. I mean, we know he's a good player. But damn they dropped their pants for a guy who isnt really pants droppin' worthy.
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rip
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I cant wait to hear the PC when he tries to spin it as it was about winning.
something along the lines of..
"I've played against this team a lot and I can see they're on the way up and I'd like to be a part of it"
or
"i've always admired the Nationals and I think they're better than the record says and I think we can win'
Yeah right. Come on out and say "they farging paid me $126M...what would YOU do?"
$126 mill, 7 years is exactly what Boras got for Barry Zito a few years ago.
Maybe four years from now Werth will be left off the Nats postseason roster.
the nationals might be good like 3 or 4 years from now...at that point werth will be aaron rowand
Coincidentally, I hear that the Phils are interested in him also!
"@jcrasnick: Jayson Werth is a fine player, but he has 684 career hits. At a total cost of $126 million, that's $184,210 per hit"
Quote from: SD on December 06, 2010, 12:31:19 AM
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It's true. I'm JaYson Werth. Took you idiots long enough to figure it out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 06, 2010, 12:39:20 AM
I cant wait to hear the PC when he tries to spin it as it was about winning.
something along the lines of..
"I've played against this team a lot and I can see they're on the way up and I'd like to be a part of it"
or
"i've always admired the Nationals and I think they're better than the record says and I think we can win'
Yeah right. Come on out and say "they farging paid me $126M...what would YOU do?"
i think the best and smartest way to endear yourself to new teammates and a new city is to say the only reason im with this god awful organization is the money
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2010, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 06, 2010, 12:39:20 AM
I cant wait to hear the PC when he tries to spin it as it was about winning.
something along the lines of..
"I've played against this team a lot and I can see they're on the way up and I'd like to be a part of it"
or
"i've always admired the Nationals and I think they're better than the record says and I think we can win'
Yeah right. Come on out and say "they farging paid me $126M...what would YOU do?"
i think the best and smartest way to endear yourself to new teammates and a new city is to say the only reason im with this god awful organization is the money
You live in the DC area, and like me, know better than this. It doesn't matter what the hell he says, nobody is listening. There is no Nat's "fanbase" to be insulted/give a shtein.
Stark reporting that the Phils are on Francoeur pretty heavy and that Charlie thinks he can fix him should they sign him.
Out of Diaz, Willingham, Rowand and Francoeur - I prefer the Frenchman because he's got a pretty good arm and good pop
But Diaz knows how to handle Philly fans.
Gillick elected to the HOF. Steinbrenner denied.
I think for what the Phillies need, Willingham would be the best fit of that group personally.
I also wouldn't mind Ordonez on a 1 year deal with a club option, incentive laden with a games played clause built in.
Marvin Miller shut out again.
Comedy.
Quote#phillies are considering bringing back lee. Would be crazy rotation. But they won't outbid #yankees, the favorite.
oy
Need a rotation like that to combat the Nats' offensive firepowerzz!!4
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 06, 2010, 05:08:27 PM
Need a rotation like that to offest the coordinated offensive slumps that the team likes to go through.
And Raul Ibanez.
Ed Wade is looking for a lefty outfielder to platoon with Jason Michaels. Get it done, Rube!
Please bring back Cliff. It's a foregone conclusion that this teams offense is going to blow next year, might as well go the SF route and have ridiculous pitching and hope the offense gets hot at the right time.
I will buy each one of you a red rose if the Phillies get Cliff Lee.
Quote from: Rome on December 06, 2010, 05:49:11 PM
I will buy each one of you a red rose if the Phillies get Cliff Lee.
You can send mine to igy
Phils also interested in Juan Rivera too...
For those keeping score at home, the platoon RH OF list is:
Matt Diaz
Josh Willingham
Jeff Francoeur
Juan Rivera
Aaron Rowand
Anyone catch the Gillick quote on his philosophy being 60% character and 40% skill? Did the sabermetric iceholes heads explode when they heard that?
Quote from: Rome on December 06, 2010, 05:49:11 PM
I will buy each one of you a red rose if the Phillies get Cliff Lee.
I'd prefer a romantic dinner. A luau would work.
Apparently Dennys Reyes, who looks like he gets poured into his uniform, is deciding between the Phils and Marlins
hes halfway decent, though prone to the blowup.
its never kind of bad for him. its either horrendous and or he does the job.
its hard to believe the nationals did what they did with werth and its still not even the worst contract in the division
chokes contract is just a travesty...i think about it all the time and it just causes you to want to committ suicide
Seek help.
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Top 3 players contracts are definitely suicide-werthy.
Booooooo!!
And Werth's deal is worse than Howard's.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 07, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
Apparently Dennys Reyes, who looks like he gets poured into his uniform, is deciding between the Phils and Marlins
An update from the Cardinals beat writer @ St. Louis Post-Dispatch:
Quote@JoeStrauss
Hearing Dennys "Like the Restaurant" Reyes heading to the Phillies. They get a good guy. #bueno
How can you argue with the 1-2 punch of Danys Baez and Dennys Reyes?
"@jaysonst: Source who talked to #Phillies brass says Francoeur still on back burner. Another source says could do something big, but it's million-to-1"
Uh oh.
Matt Diaz not likely now.
George Sherrill is apparently a LH option too (please noooooooooooo! Not only does he suck but he wears that stupid as shtein flat bill cap)
Sportsrise was saying it's looking like the Phils will make a play for Rowand with SF picking up a large portion of his contract:
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I guess they could do worse
not by much tho
hes completely done and lost his job in the playoffs on a weak ass hitting giant team...now hes gonna at worst play every other day for a world series or bust team
id rather have francisco
Rowand? shtein. Agreed igy, losing his spot in the Giants lineup says it all.
rowand would be insanely massive downgrade from whatever slop they could find in the minors or elsewhere.
he is washed up and finished. and this move might rube pandering to the wip crowd even though its completely un rube like to do that
Francoeur is about to sign with Kansas City.
Nothing close or substantial with Dennys Reyes. But they're still talking to him and that piece of shtein Sherrill.
Prickface's weakness - building a bullpen.
francisco.
thats the guy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 08, 2010, 01:41:25 PM
Francoeur is about to sign with Kansas City.
Nothing close or substantial with Dennys Reyes.
Good, I'm glad that whiny French farg is not coming here.
oh, and http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Source_Phillies_getting_closer_to_deal_with_Reyes.html
reyes vs. left handers last year
.307 avg
.409 obp
.862 ops
11 bb
20 k
Sherrill is going to Atlanta
Good.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 08, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
reyes vs. left handers last year
.307 avg
.409 obp
.862 ops
11 bb
20 k
QuoteHe had control issues
.
swell.
Cockface Amaro sucks at bullpen building.
The GM said things were "still alive with The Durbinator"
He called Chad Durbin that.
Publicly.
you should have heard his wip interview yesterday...his smug and dick headedness was off the meter
Oh I can imagine.
Did he ask for the hosts to kiss his hands and feet beforehand? Did he speak like the team has no holes? Did he act like they won the series?
Sorry sonofabitch.
well they did win A series but he was gillicks butt buddy at that point
Apparently Rowand to the Phillies has less than 20% chance of happening. Good.
will you idiots stop believing everything you read?
I just missed the toilet and peed on a box of tampons for a few seconds.
so....Greinke huh
the guy has social anxiety disorder or something doesn't he? he'll do well in philly.
Salisbury said today on DNL they're talking with KC or have least inquired. Said it's a longshot still but they're looking at it.
Would love that. Add a good young pitcher for if/when Roy O breaks down, and have the best 4 deep rotation in the meantime. With Fatty Joe at #5 :yay
He'd be a huge signing but apparently the Red Sox are interested in him.
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1 year deal with a club option for the second.
I think Greinke is a long shot when you take into consideration moving Blanton, prospects, and his salary.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 08, 2010, 10:11:58 PM
Salisbury said today on DNL they're talking with KC or have least inquired. Said it's a longshot still but they're looking at it.
im guessing this blurb is in at least 25 teams hometown newspapers today
Quote"We figured with this Rule 5 Draft we would get back at the Nationals," Ruben Amaro Jr. joked. "They got Werth. We'll take (Michael) Martinez and call it even."
J is going to lose it
thats actually pretty funny
QuoteMartinez must open the season on the 25-man roster and remain there the entire 2011 season or be offered back to the Nationals.
weird.
Quote from: phattymatty on December 09, 2010, 01:11:38 PM
QuoteMartinez must open the season on the 25-man roster and remain there the entire 2011 season or be offered back to the Nationals.
weird.
the rule five draft?
weird is the new common.
same thing they did with Herndon this past season. Now that he got through the whole year, they can put him at LV if they want (but probably won't)
Victorino was a rule 5 guy too i think
yup, and he was offered back to the Dodgers and they said "no thanks...you keep him"
BRILLIANT!
id give him to them now if they wanted
Give him a brain transplant.
Amaro too. Stupid sonofabitch.
lol phreak is so out of control
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 09, 2010, 02:40:47 AM
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Hello
it's weird to me, i had no idea what the rule V draft was. seems pretty dumb.
mock?
QuotePhils GM Ruben Amaro, Jr., was spreading word at Winter Meetings that he has very, very little payroll flexibility.
How nice of him.
Also read that Juan Castro talked Denny's Reyes into signing with the Phils. \
And the Phils love Magglio Ordonez. But don't dig his $20M/2yr demands
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QuoteFor Phillies, improvement might be an inside a hand job
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Quote@BobKlap‎:
Could Phillies be the mystery team on Lee? Hearing that, fwiw
@BobKlap‎:
Long shot, agreed. But I've heard it more than once today. RT @DonCheech: @BobKlap heyman said no on Phils
You have to hand it to Boras for keeping as many teams (out there in terms of rumors) in the mix as possible. I'll bet the Yankees overpay like a motherfarger.
Stark says rumors are legit that Phils are in the mix somehow.
Quote@SI_JonHeyman
still hearing rumblings of 3rd team in lee mix. word is offer much lower than NYY's, but it's also a place lee loves
hmmmmmmmmmm
Incredible that Lee would even consider coming back after they even gave his number to Halladay. I couldn't imagine he actually would, but sheeeeet. Plus, the Yanks will still give him a 3-year deal after his 4-year johnson with the Phils is done.
so they want a 4th pitcher to be frustrated by a total lack of run support?
all the pitching in the world cant make up for the fact that this lineup is old and washed up
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
so they want a 4th pitcher to be frustrated by a total lack of run support?
all the pitching in the world cant make up for the fact that this lineup is old and washed up
IGY?
no, its reality
rollins = finished
choke = choke
utley = walking injury/60% of what he once was
polanco = old
ibanez = barbaro
victorino = dumbass
rightfielder = mediocre
chooch = terrific but hes always going to be a bottom of the lineup guy
how about spending some money to fix the corner outfields you piece of shtein rube
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2010, 05:23:50 PM
no, its reality
rollins = finished
choke = choke
utley = walking injury/60% of what he once was
polanco = old
ibanez = barbaro
victorino = dumbass
rightfielder = mediocre
chooch = terrific but hes always going to be a bottom of the lineup guy
how about spending some money to fix the corner outfields you piece of shtein rube
Yo yo yo....quit being negative, you sonofabitch!
How dare you! You ride my sack all year long and now you're blasting away like you've got a sawed off. Hush YO mouf.
I'm pretty sure the Giants just proved you can win a WS with ridiculous pitching and a old, crappy line up getting hot at the right time. Difference is, if Choke and/or Utley get hot, they're better than the entire SF line up combined.
dont get me wrong in the regular season they will be great, but winning 100 games and the nl east doesnt mean anything
in the playoffs its all about situational hitting and in that category this current lineup is as awful as munson is at life
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/phillies-still-bidding-for-cliff-lee
Rosenthal confirms they're still bidding on Clifford.
QuoteAnother source with knowledge of the Phillies' budget said then that it would take, "Nothing short of a miracle," for the team to make the finances work.
Yeah, the budget talk again.
Heyman said they're trying to find takers for Blanton and Raul to free up cash.
I don't think Blanton would be that hard to move. He really isn't that overpaid. Glue factory on the otherhand...
Yeah Blanton's actually pitched decent. He's a great #4 and a lesser team could pass him off as their #3...
I say offer to pay half of Raul's salaray and just take the 5-6 million that you'll get out of it. No way a team eats that whole salary.
But that'd still be 14 mill free to pay Lee...what.....20 mil? 22 mil? So the payroll goes up 8 million...the Phillies will make that within the first few home games of the year.
salisbury says a decision is close and the phils are a finalist
this would be hilarious.
Jesus farg.
I'm getting excited, it would farging suck for him to not come here now hah.
Can you imagine the ovation he would get in his second, first home game here? The fans would go nuts.
Boras is a genius
Only if it works and the Yanks up their offer even more.
Otherwise, the Yanks bid what they bid and Lee being Lee had more to do with that then Boras. Yanks have shown in the past that they'll throw a ton of cash at the #1 free agent on the market regardless of who the agent is.
Skeet skeet
Quote from: SD on December 13, 2010, 08:31:58 PM
Boras is a genius
He isn't Lee's agent, Braunecker is.
SD is just now catching up on the Werth news.
The Yankees aren't increasing their offer, so this is legit. There is a real shot here.
No one cares what you think, no matter how redundant it is.
two facts from twitter:
1.some guy's jersey distributor just emailed a list of yankees jerseys and they had lee's name on it
2.cliff lee is in the metroplex
A Yankees jersey with a name on it, huh? Sounds legit.
some other guy on twitter says Lee told the Yankees they're out
Quotechipblake‎ Persistent reports from generally reliable Philadelphia sportsfolk that Cliff Lee has picked the Phillies.
chip blake can be trusted
If my erection lasts more than 4 hours, should I consult a physician?
Just have MDS help you out with that
4/100 for lee is the rumor. this one is coming from a kid i used to babysit.
Is there really a legit shot?
Should I be excited Toddy?
Quote@jaysonst: Surveyed 3 teams to see if Joe Blanton is moveable if #Phillies sign Lee. Consensus was yes, but they'd have to eat half his $17M remaining.
QuoteThere is a belief Lee is heading to the Phillies, according to Jack Curry of the YES Network (on Twitter).
really unlikely and again it would be a giant waste of money
the lineup sucks. they need to focus on that.
I didn't think you could get any worse thna being a bicycle chinese food delivery Jew.....but babysitting? And why does this kid, who is still presumably very much a kid, have the inside track on a sports story and you don't?
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2010, 09:49:22 PM
really unlikely and again it would be a giant waste of money
the lineup sucks. they need to focus on that.
How would signing a number 1 starter who's a lefty and is money in the playoffs be a waste of money?
Quote from: SD on December 13, 2010, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2010, 09:49:22 PM
really unlikely and again it would be a giant waste of money
the lineup sucks. they need to focus on that.
How would signing a number 1 starter who's a lefty and is money in the playoffs be a waste of money?
:-D I have to believe MDS is completely bullshteinting on this thread right now.
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2010, 09:49:22 PM
really unlikely and again it would be a giant waste of money
the lineup sucks. they need to focus on that.
With a Doc/Lee/Hamels/Oswalt rotation, 3 runs gets you a win most nights. In it's current state, this offense is still capable of doing that.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 13, 2010, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: SD on December 13, 2010, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2010, 09:49:22 PM
really unlikely and again it would be a giant waste of money
the lineup sucks. they need to focus on that.
How would signing a number 1 starter who's a lefty and is money in the playoffs be a waste of money?
:-D I have to believe MDS is completely bullshteinting on this thread right now.
No he isn't. He thinks the Phillies need to upgrade their lineup...which is true and fine, but who's out there? No way they pay Werth that type of money, Crawford is a lefty so he'd be a waste. So what other options are there?
I agree with PSN...Werth leaving didn't completely destroy this offense. And they will still find room to get something better than what they have.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 13, 2010, 09:48:09 PM
Quote@jaysonst: Surveyed 3 teams to see if Joe Blanton is moveable if #Phillies sign Lee. Consensus was yes, but they'd have to eat half his $17M remaining.
shtein, we could get about 4 million members of the Phillie Nation to each chip in two bucks to offset that.
Blow your wad on Russell Martin Cashman.
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it wouldnt be a waste of money because there no good offensive players to use the money on but it wouldnt get them any closer to the world series...an aging brain dead offense is why they lost last year and they have lost arguably their best offensive player from that group and they arent getting younger
basically lee would make their number three starter in the playoffs hamels instead of oswalt which is a sideways move...4th starters mean very little in the post season
it wouldnt be a waste of money if they spent cash like the sox or yanks, which they could
but they have a stupid ass budget and this would absolutely leave them handcuffed with the lineup they got. and again, regular season they be $ and it wont even be a fight. but playoff time when it gets cold, rotations shorten up, no more nationals and mets to play...thats where hitting with risp and situational baseball take over and this team has never done that.
they lost to the giants because of the bats. pitching wasnt a problem and wont be a problem cliff lee or no cliff lee.
They lost to the Giants because the Giants got hot at the right time and hit in the clutch. Who in the NL scares you next season? The Giants are one year wonders.
If there was a free agent bat who could improve this offense, I'd agree. But there isn't anyone out there. So if you can't substantially improve the offense, then you improve the pitching.
As for the postseason, you'd have 4 guys who are capable of starting game one of any series, so who cares if you sweep or play the max # of games? You can run any one of them out there to start the next series on regular rest. And I guarantee you that a guy like Oswalt would even be willing to keep coming out of the pen. That dude wants to win and has already shown he's willing to do pretty much whatever it takes.
the red sox?
even making the world series isnt good enough. the sox's lineups is 300000x better than the phillies and their pitching is pretty good. i believe ryan braun is available for trade....if you get lee you have to get him to go along with it. or something like that. no matter who is pitching, rollins/polanco/utley/howard/vicctorino/ibanez/francisco/ruiz is trash and isnt winning dick.
Quote from: SD on December 13, 2010, 09:57:54 PM
They lost to the Giants because the Giants got hot at the right time and hit in the clutch. Who in the NL scares you next season? The Giants are one year wonders.
This X 1000
Even Giants fans have the white flags out. My co-workers are all huge Giants fans and you should have heard them bitching in August and even mid way through September. Worse than yours truly, phreak and igy combined belly aching about the bums. They are the first to admit it was just a fluke with the bats and some of the best situational hitting in a NLDS/WS in years.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 13, 2010, 10:02:39 PM
If there was a free agent bat who could improve this offense, I'd agree. But there isn't anyone out there. So if you can't substantially improve the offense, then you improve the pitching.
As for the postseason, you'd have 4 guys who are capable of starting game one of any series, so who cares if you sweep or play the max # of games? You can run any one of them out there to start the next series on regular rest. And I guarantee you that a guy like Oswalt would even be willing to keep coming out of the pen. That dude wants to win and has already shown he's willing to do pretty much whatever it takes.
all this is true and still it doesnt make the phillies any better in the playoffs
in fact +lee and -werth is a net loss for the phillies as a team in the post season
doesnt mean the phillies cant make the world series but you can def make the argument that getting lee would be a waste
I don't know if it significantly helps their chances to win the WS, but I want to see it just so they can field the greatest rotation in baseball history next year. The season would be farging nuts.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2010, 10:05:03 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 13, 2010, 10:02:39 PM
If there was a free agent bat who could improve this offense, I'd agree. But there isn't anyone out there. So if you can't substantially improve the offense, then you improve the pitching.
As for the postseason, you'd have 4 guys who are capable of starting game one of any series, so who cares if you sweep or play the max # of games? You can run any one of them out there to start the next series on regular rest. And I guarantee you that a guy like Oswalt would even be willing to keep coming out of the pen. That dude wants to win and has already shown he's willing to do pretty much whatever it takes.
all this is true and still it doesnt make the phillies any better in the playoffs
in fact +lee and -werth is a net loss for the phillies as a team in the post season
It depends on whether they can bring in someone competent to take Werth's spot, but I agree with the premise.
Still want Lee.
who doesnt still want him?
but hes overall good for, what 8 more wins than blanton? will they even need those?
the one thing getting lee does is give you an incredible injury buffer...they can lose a sp for the year in spring traning and still have the best three man rotation in baseball
still a 100 million as an insurance policy is a little much
From NY Post sports guy Joel sherman:
QuoteAt thsi moment, #Yankees have become extremely negative about landing Lee and believing that he is edging toward #Phillies
Doc's facebook page (which is really run by a fan) says "it's cionfirmed. R2C2"
I assume that's Roy, Roy, Cole, Cliff.
Quote@JackCurryYES
Wonder what has taken Cliff Lee so long? There is a belief he is heading to the Phillies
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2010, 10:07:56 PM
the one thing getting lee does is give you an incredible injury buffer...they can lose a sp for the year in spring traning and still have the best three man rotation in baseball
still a 100 million as an insurance policy is a little much
It also prevents the Phils from facing him in the WS. 100mil for this lineup to not face a dominant lefty is money well spent.
QuoteESPN.com jcrasnick In response to Phillies fans, this is not a leverage play on the part of the agent. Lee really loved Philly & is interested in returning
He should just have an hour long tv show to make this announcement.
:-D
side note...I'm absolutely LOVING the Yankee fan meltdown on my FB feed right about now.
Quote@SI_JonHeyman: being told cliff lee decision unlikely to come tonite but may be as early as tomorrow.
"I'm taking my talents to the city with the worst farging airport in the country."
uhhh
Quote"New York YES Network says Cliff Lee is heading to the Phils."
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 13, 2010, 10:15:18 PM
"I'm taking my talents to the city with the worst farging airport in the country."
Why would he go to Jax, NC? They don't even have a baseball team.
the Doc trade was exactly a year ago. awesome
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 13, 2010, 10:15:52 PM
uhhh
Quote"New York YES Network says Cliff Lee is heading to the Phils."
you realize that all these idiots are doing now is recycling each others twitter posts
I didn't buy into this much earlier in the day, but I'm starting to get massive wood. All this Phillies talk is not sitting well with Banner the day after a huge win.
Let me know when it lasts 4 hours.
Mine already has....
Haha at the losers who say this would be a bad move.
vance worley is going to be the answer to a really good trivia question
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2010, 10:30:51 PM
vance worley is going to be the answer to a really good trivia question
other than "who was the first asian ever named vance?"
QuoteRT @EliFromBrooklyn: If Cliff Lee signs with the #Phillies, then all I want for Christmas is... a noose
Quote@incarceratedbob
3 sources have confirmed Texas will hold a Press Conference in next 24 Hours to announce hes Re-Signed
ha
incarceratedrob sounds legit
Who the farg is incarciratedbob?
some NY crackhead
Quote@SI_JonHeyman
everyone who said cliff lee wont leave a dime on table looks like they may be off by a few dimes: about 5-7 billion of them.
Quote from: Munson on December 13, 2010, 10:51:44 PM
Who the farg is incarciratedbob?
Some dude from c block getting the most use out of his 15 minutes of Internet access.
At this point I'll be blue balled if he stays with Texas...but just as long as the farging Yankees don't get him, I can jerk it out and get on with life
Quote@incarceratedbob
3 Sources confirm / No matter what anyone tells you from now to Thursday my sources are 110% reliable. Lebron will be a Knick on Thursday
Quote@MikeSielskiWSJ‎: Understandable why #Phillies want Cliff Lee back. He batted .500 in the World Series against the #Giants.
hah
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 13, 2010, 10:53:05 PM
some NY crackhead
Quote@SI_JonHeyman
everyone who said cliff lee wont leave a dime on table looks like they may be off by a few dimes: about 5-7 billion of them.
He's signing for $700 million less?
Quotethechrisogrady Dear #God, if #Cliff_Lee returns to the #Phillies i will go back to church half a minute ago via txt
NYG fan logo as his profile pic:
QuoteSBRKiwi goddammit Cliff, just take the $$$ and go to the #Yankees! If the #Phillies really wanted you they wouldn't have traded you to the #Mariners
nevermind.
nevermind.
booo PG, boo.
QuoteKen_RosenthaI
It's (almost) official: Lee has reached a tentative agreement with the #Phillies, he is waiting to see if the #Rangers will offer 8yrs. #MLB
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 13, 2010, 11:16:21 PM
QuoteKen_RosenthaI
It's (almost) official: Lee has reached a tentative agreement with the #Phillies, he is waiting to see if the #Rangers will offer 8yrs. #MLB
Its a fake account, Jay. I posted it too. Look at the last letter of Rosenthal. the real one is verified.
Phreak, there's an I on the end of that.
Awwwwwwww damn...ahahahhahah. Damn. :-D
farg 4chan...Cliff Lee is going to single handedly bring google and/or twitter to its knees
some of the tweets going on right nwo are pretty good
Quoteofficialreview‎: If the Phillies DO get Cliff Lee back, then Disney-type love is real. I suggest calling all of your first loves and trying to work it out.
yankees are OUT of the lee hunt
Beat me too it.
:evil
It's official. He;s a Phillie per Zolecki.
And Ravens INT TD cover. BEST 2 MINS EVAR
HOLY funhole
im still on board that its sort of useless but god damn thats amazing
WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!
NICE!
HAHAHAHAHAHAH HOLLLLLLLLLLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Does this combined with the win yesterday rank anywhere up there with best two days in Philly sports history?
Probably not but farg if I'm not excited as farg right now
serious question
did the smug look of self satisfaction on rube's face just break an all time record?
Roy Halladay. Cliff Lee. Roy Oswalt. Cole Hamels.
Let that sink in for a minute. Seriously.
And, Cliff is the farging man. Taking less money and years to give the finger to NY. That just makes it even better. He just won the title for greatest human ever.
QuotePhillies Agree To Sign Cliff Lee
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 13 at 10:54pm CST]
The wait is over. Cliff Lee has agreed to sign with the Phillies, according to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. The deal is worth about $100MM over five years, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter). That's far less that the $150MM, seven-year deal the Yankees offered (Jon Heyman of SI.com reporting on Twitter).
Not bad
Where does fatty end up?
WOOO.... So it's official
jayson werth is spinning in his grave
they coughed up the $ for a guy they dont even really need and told werth to farg off. haha. have fun losing for 7 years theres oh wait hes disgustingly rich
Cliff Lee is AT Citizens Bank Park
So is Halladay the 8th best pitcher in the division now?
Quote from: rjs246 on December 14, 2010, 12:14:14 AM
So is Halladay the 8th best pitcher in the division now?
7th once they trade Blanton
Unreal.
MDS...your approval, sir.
ESPN just reported deal is done. Now it's farging official.
halladay
lee
oswalt
hamels
king cole
when people think of great lineups they first think of the 1927 yankees. now when they think of great rotations, they'll think of the 2011 phillies.
As someone who is rarely intrigued by baseball I have to say that this is pretty farging remarkable.
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2010, 12:17:54 AM
halladay
lee
oswalt
hamels
king cole
when people think of great lineups they first think of the 1927 yankees. now when they think of great rotations, they'll think of the 2011 phillies.
Yeah, they have three 100 game winners! Let's just settle down a little.
Quote from: SD on December 14, 2010, 12:09:28 AM
QuotePhillies Agree To Sign Cliff Lee
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 13 at 10:54pm CST]
The wait is over. Cliff Lee has agreed to sign with the Phillies, according to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. The deal is worth about $100MM over five years, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter). That's far less that the $150MM, seven-year deal the Yankees offered (Jon Heyman of SI.com reporting on Twitter).
Not bad
Where does fatty end up?
Who gives a shtein? Thanks for a few good years and helping to bring home a title. Enjoy Pittsburgh.
so....phillies red sox world series, huh?
So Cliff Lee chose less money and less years to play in Philadelphia....
farg NEW YORK.
and Yes Phils/Red Sox World Series... and they have a lefty heavy lineup.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/2010121316311236/
I won't sleep tonight. This could be the greatest rotation in MLB history.
You're all idiots.
I assume you'd be happier if the deal included a public option, or higher taxes on the rich, yes?
Rangers offer was $161M.
With 6yr vesting option Phils deal will be about $120M
Beat Dallas, Phils sign Lee, win FFL game, Giants game this weekend, vacation next weekend...fapfapfapfap
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Quote from: Munson on December 14, 2010, 12:47:53 AM
I assume you'd be happier if the deal included a public option, or higher taxes on the rich, yes?
I'd be happier if I had just left your post as You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
But really I'd be happier if people would stop proclaiming this rotation one of the best ever. Maybe they should play a season first. Or a game. How about a game? One. Then you MENSA members can proclaim this group of 60+ game winners the BEST EVER!
So, the phils only need to score 162 runs next year.
Geeze, stop being such a party pooper.
And MESNA? Come on, NAMBLA would have been much funnier there.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 14, 2010, 12:51:45 AM
Quote from: Munson on December 14, 2010, 12:47:53 AM
I assume you'd be happier if the deal included a public option, or higher taxes on the rich, yes?
I'd be happier if I had just left your post as You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
But really I'd be happier if people would stop proclaiming this rotation one of the best ever. Maybe they should play a season first. Or a game. How about a game? One. Then you MENSA members can proclaim this group of 60+ game winners the BEST EVER!
Hey...best rotation.
Ever.
This chop deserves to be on this page too.
Quote from: Munson on December 14, 2010, 12:50:52 AM
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Ha ESPN NY dude on Sportscenter now trying to figure out why Lee signed with Philly.
"He had to have some reason to fear NY that we don't know about yet"
but it's ok, because missing on Lebron and signing Amare worked out for the Knicks, so according to him, it'll probably be a positive that they didn't get Lee.
Munson, I approve! :-D
Quote from: rjs246 on December 14, 2010, 12:51:45 AM
Quote from: Munson on December 14, 2010, 12:47:53 AM
I assume you'd be happier if the deal included a public option, or higher taxes on the rich, yes?
I'd be happier if I had just left your post as You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
But really I'd be happier if people would stop proclaiming this rotation one of the best ever. Maybe they should play a season first. Or a game. How about a game? One. Then you MENSA members can proclaim this group of 60+ game winners the BEST EVER!
That doesn't make any sense. One game? You can't define and entire rotation in 1 game, dummy
So a couple NY fan friends of mine are now hating on Lee and saying that he isn't that good.....let him have a bad inning and he'll come undone....etc, etc. Awesome.
Phillies Nation on fb - Halladay and Lee will both wear # 34 because there's nothing you can do about it. The back of the jersey will read HalLeeday.
Not sure if I like it or hate it, but leaning towards like.
Is there any doubt that Lee had no intention of signing with the Yanks and was just using them for leverage? The Phils had the worst of the 3 offers on the table. The fact that he took NY for a ride and then pulled the rug out from underneath them makes this that much more awesome.
Since this doesn't guarantee a WFC, it's literally the best part of the deal, that he came back to Philly and gave the big ole bird to the Yanks in the process.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 14, 2010, 01:06:57 AM
Ha ESPN NY dude on Sportscenter now trying to figure out why Lee signed with Philly.
"He had to have some reason to fear NY that we don't know about yet"
but it's ok, because missing on Lebron and signing Amare worked out for the Knicks, so according to him, it'll probably be a positive that they didn't get Lee.
I read a quote on another MB that an unnamed NYY official said that they are glad they found out now that he doesn't have the guts to pitch in NYC because anyone who would leave $50M on the table ain't right in the head.
fargicng over the Yankees is as sweet as farging up the Cowboys.
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Oh boy, this is great!
Cliff Lee is a Philly guy, through and through. That behind the back snag is still one of my favorite Philly moments of all time.
oh boy, now i really, really want this job covering high schools in st pete
thats like 30 mins from clearwater...boner boner boner boner boner boner boner boner
Quote from: Hawk on December 14, 2010, 01:43:45 AM
Cliff Lee is a Philly guy, through and through. That behind the back snag is still one of my favorite Philly moments of all time.
WIP just played Franzke's call of out three from that game 1 in last years WS. That was a great moment.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 09, 2010, 09:04:19 PM
QuotePhils GM Ruben Amaro, Jr., was spreading word at Winter Meetings that he has very, very little payroll flexibility.
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Psyche!
Ruben is a snake and a scoundrel and I want to hug him for it.
he may be an icehole but he's our icehole
"@MattGoldich: I'll always remember the day the Phillies signed Cliff Lee as the day Brett Favre stopped throwing idiotic interceptions."
can lee hit left handed pitching?
Merry Cliffmas
The only lefty Cliff Lee can't hit is Cliff Lee.
Quote from: Rome on December 06, 2010, 05:49:11 PM
I will buy each one of you a red rose if the Phillies get Cliff Lee.
:crazy
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 07:26:48 AM
can lee hit left handed pitching?
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Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 07:26:48 AM
can lee hit left handed pitching?
batted .500 vs the Giants last year.
Zolecki:
QuotePhillies players' cell phones rang and buzzed throughout the night as word spread. "We're like, 'Whoa,'" Shane Victorino said. "I had heard about this mystery team. I was like, 'There's no way it's us.' Then I heard the Phillies were back in it. I texted Cliff last week and he never said anything. I texted him again today when everything started coming out. I'm like, 'Come on.' He finally texted me back, 'I'm back,' and I was like, 'Oh my goodness.' I thought there was no way we're bringing him back."
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props to me and SD for calling this
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2010, 01:28:10 AM
Is there any doubt that Lee had no intention of signing with the Yanks and was just using them for leverage? The Phils had the worst of the 3 offers on the table. The fact that he took NY for a ride and then pulled the rug out from underneath them makes this that much more awesome.
If he took a deal that was 50M short, there wasn't a whole lot of leverage to be exercised.
Sounds like the Yanks offered 6 years with a possibly-reachable 7th. The Phils offered 5 with a slam-dunk 6th. Money not nearly as far apart as the pundits are making it sound.
Quote from: charlie on December 14, 2010, 08:27:50 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2010, 01:28:10 AM
Is there any doubt that Lee had no intention of signing with the Yanks and was just using them for leverage? The Phils had the worst of the 3 offers on the table. The fact that he took NY for a ride and then pulled the rug out from underneath them makes this that much more awesome.
If he took a deal that was 50M short, there wasn't a whole lot of leverage to be exercised.
there wasnt a 50 million dollar difference but yeah leverage is used to get the highest possible deal...not the lowest
clearly wifey wasnt havin none of ny
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 07:26:48 AM
can lee hit left handed pitching?
Only you would try to put a damper on this.
sorry....i dont get excited just to get excited....i want a world series title and this move doesnt get them significantly closer to that
wip saying that heyman is reporting a deal in place for blanton to the red sox
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
sorry....i dont get excited just to get excited....i want a world series title and this move doesnt get them significantly closer to that
I understand they need some more hitting in their lineup, but damn you can't get a better rotation.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
sorry....i dont get excited just to get excited....i want a world series title and this move doesnt get them significantly closer to that
You are just on a whole different level of douchiness.
people in boston are saying no deal is happening
Trade him for Grienke
Sox already have Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Beckett, and Dice-K. Why would they want Blanton?
Gordon Edes:Update: Sox source said Sox, Phils talked, but no deal, and unlikely to be a deal
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 14, 2010, 09:10:14 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
sorry....i dont get excited just to get excited....i want a world series title and this move doesnt get them significantly closer to that
I understand they need some more hitting in their lineup, but damn you can't get a better rotation.
they already had a stacked rotation...lee potentially makes them untouchable in the regular season...so if you were concerned with them making the playoffs this year i suppose would be big news...but if you are talking ws then i dont see this year being any different than last year and in fact they might actually be worse depending on how they replace werth
this all changes if choke grit rollins and victorino all come back and have their normal big years...but then you gotta think the bottoms might fall out of ibanez and polanco and i highly doubt chooch has a repeat of what he did last year
basically cliff lee to me isnt a huge difference maker on this team which is why i cant jerk off to the move...doesnt mean this team cant and wont win it all because they can but that is no different than before they got cliff lee
ha.
why do you continue to do this to yourself and write this drivel every off-season, only to be back on the horse when they hit the playoffs? Im stunned that one person can find the negative in everything--and dont come back with "Im a realist" garbage.
seriously--and I dont mean this in a bad way---you do take medication for these outbursts right?
actually im 100% calm...its all the idiots acting like they just won the world series who need medication
IGY, if you can't realize the excitement over not only signing back here, but spurning and flipping off the Yankees in the process, you've got issues.
lol at no closer to a WS title
yeah i dont obsess over the yankees so that means nothing to me....but i know that people do
i care about the phillies winning the world series and i dont think this automatically gets them any closer to doing that...or at best minimally closer
i like the move...im not complaining about it in the least...its gonna make for a ridiculous regular season...but this isnt the eagles getting the best DE in the league or if the flyers were to trade for the best goalie in the nhl or the sixers got dwight howard
this is a team adding to a position where they were arguably already the best...is it a bad move of course not...but should you pencil in the phillies for the world series....not even close
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 14, 2010, 10:03:31 AM
lol at no closer to a WS title
basically cliff lee goes in a playoff game instead of roy oswalt...improvement?...probably...game changing...no way...and if the offense is not as good then it means nothing and the team will actually be worse off than last year
this move is huge for the regular season...it should allow them to run away with the east...but i just fail to see how it significantly helps them in a quest for a world series
i don't disagree with any of that.
this is a good move for this year, and great for 2012 when they lose Oswalt...but they are going to go as far as the offense takes them, it's the weak link now.
Can they convert Blanton to a slugging right fielder?
no, he's much too fat
i dont think anyone has ever made me more mad than gargano right now
Is he verbally fellating Amaro?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 10:27:29 AM
i dont think anyone has ever made me more mad than gargano right now
Whats he doing?
"Awwwwww cuz! Thats great cuz! Awwwwwwwwwwww man! CLIFF LEE CUZ!"
He hated on Lee so bad through the playoffs and now he's going crazy like it's the greatest move ever. That's probably why
Beane's sack just essploded (http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/14031/cliffs-statistic-lee-significant)
Quote from: SunMo on December 14, 2010, 10:35:07 AM
He hated on Lee so bad through the playoffs and now he's going crazy like it's the greatest move ever. That's probably why
not even that....hes just acting like a complete idiot...said its the greatest day ever in philly sports history...said the phillies o/u win total should be at least 115...just incredibly over the top annoying
skeet skeet skeet (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Four_aces_could_have_competition_royally_flushed.html)
I don't think they can do any worse at the plate then they did last year. If they are even marginally better they have to be the odds on favorite to win it all.
The only moves more surprising than this are the Lindros & Moses Malone deals but just barely. Jesus.
I want my rose NOW dammit.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: SunMo on December 14, 2010, 10:35:07 AM
He hated on Lee so bad through the playoffs and now he's going crazy like it's the greatest move ever. That's probably why
not even that....hes just acting like a complete idiot...said its the greatest day ever in philly sports history...said the phillies o/u win total should be at least 115...just incredibly over the top annoying
Wow, yeah thats bad. I mean its a great day and all but slow your roll, Ant.
He was hatin' on him in the playoffs Sun? What did he say?
Not hating on him, but hating that everybody was still talking about him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
sorry....i dont get excited just to get excited....i want a world series title and this move doesnt get them significantly closer to that
I understand your gripe, but at the same time I think it's pretty funny that at this EXACT same time last season you were going apeshtein because the Phillies traded Lee.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 14, 2010, 11:04:03 AM
I don't think they can do any worse at the plate then they did last year. If they are even marginally better they have to be the odds on favorite to win it all.
that was the problem and why they lost to the giants last year, and now, a year older and year slower, youd figure theyd be worse.
simple fact of the matter is the season hinges on choke and utley. neither showed up in the playoffs. at this point the nl east is locked up. since its obviously world series or bust, everything is on those 2 guys to be hitting in october. thats it, thats the list.
Anyone else seeing that Theo Epstein probably played the Phillies a bit on Blanton to make sure the Yankees didn't get Lee?
Last Night:
RAJ: So, we have a tentative deal on Joey B?
Theo: Looks that way!
This morning:
RAJ: I just faxed the paperwork to you on the Blanton deal.
Theo: Yes, I got it and shredded it. farg you.
Some pretty horrid nicknames out there...the 4 horseman, R2C2
Thought this one was decent: Phour Loko
http://zoowithroy.spreadshirt.com/phour-loko-A6837719/customize/color/196
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Quote from: SD on December 14, 2010, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
sorry....i dont get excited just to get excited....i want a world series title and this move doesnt get them significantly closer to that
I understand your gripe, but at the same time I think it's pretty funny that at this EXACT same time last season you were going apeshtein because the Phillies traded Lee.
because i didnt know what i know about the offense...last year at this time the offense was not even remotely a concern...they also didnt have oswalt and had werth...and had lee locked up for 9 mil not 120
r2c2 is the name, its already been accepted
Quote from: SD on December 14, 2010, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
sorry....i dont get excited just to get excited....i want a world series title and this move doesnt get them significantly closer to that
I understand your gripe, but at the same time I think it's pretty funny that at this EXACT same time last season you were going apeshtein because the Phillies traded Lee.
Do I hear 45, 45, 45, 45.....SOLD!!
logan morrison: can i tell you how excited I am to face r2c2!....*breaking news* logan morrison goes hitless vs phillies until his 30th bday
jarred cosart: at least you get to hit against them and not be the guy trying to take one of there jobs
logan morrison: good point.....forget renting in lehigh valley you may want to buy
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: SD on December 14, 2010, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
sorry....i dont get excited just to get excited....i want a world series title and this move doesnt get them significantly closer to that
I understand your gripe, but at the same time I think it's pretty funny that at this EXACT same time last season you were going apeshtein because the Phillies traded Lee.
because i didnt know what i know about the offense...last year at this time the offense was not even remotely a concern...they also didnt have oswalt and had werth...and had lee locked up for 9 mil not 120
The offense will be fine. They ran into a hot Giants team who are one hit wonders. No team is going to do what they did and no team in the NL scares me. The playoffs are and have always been about pitching.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 11:56:43 AM
logan morrison: can i tell you how excited I am to face R2C2?!....*Breaking News* logan morrison goes hitless vs phillies until his 30th bday
jarred cosart: at least you get to hit against them and not be the guy trying to take one of there jobs
logan morrison: good point.....forget renting in lehigh valley you may want to buy
The Phils should make them both happy by trading Cosart for Morrison.
Also, how about those Nats? They just nabbed another top free agent by signing Matt Stairs.
woman on WIP this morning called in and said "yeah this is great, but they could've had all of them this past season". Rhea called her a bitch, and Hugh called her that stuck-up wife that gets diamond earrings for Xmas and complains about not getting the necklace, then when she gets the necklace the following Xmas she whines about not getting both last Xmas. I expect igs to be negative about this ish, but man...
shes 100% right
the saving grace i suppose tho is that even had they kept lee as they should have last season they still werent beating the giants...so in the end you cant really be angry
ummm, now they have tyson gilles AND cliff lee
MASTER STROKE
you mean coke master
I'd be doing backflips right now if they had gotten decent prospects for him in the first place.
welp BA says Aumont still has the best curveball in the Phils farm system so there's that
From the chat with Marcus Hayes:
QuoteIf they trade Ibanez away to free up payroll, will that open up an opportunity for Oswalt to play left field on his off days?
ha, people are farny
Some crazy numbers to consider:
The top 4 starters can easily go 900 innings. Throw in another 200 for Blanton and you get 1100. A typical season is approximately 1380 innings. That leaves 280 innings. If the closer saves 40, that leaves 240. Another 50 for the set up guy leave 190 innings divided by 4 guys. That is a significant reduction in work for guys like Durbin and Contreras.
Especially Durbin. Very significant reduction in work for him.
theres not even a remote chance those four throw 900 innings...durbin might not even be on the team and blanton definitely wont be
so i would say yes those are some crazy numbers
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Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 12:47:37 PM
durbin might not even be on the team
That was kind of my point.
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#33 btw
its better to have all this stuff in one place
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/12/r2c2.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 12:56:33 PM
its better to have all this stuff in one place
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/12/r2c2.html
FTW
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munson posted it twice lastnight (because he's a douche and no one was acknowledging it) and sunny posted it this morning.
Sorry, my ignore list gets Munson and viewing the mobile version of the site gets pictures.
But at least there is one winner here:
QuoteRangers Blog, Lone Star Ball, Username: Rangersfan32
"I'll drink my own semen if Lee signs with the Phillies"
'Twas only less than a year ago when people were destroying RAJ about how mediocre of a GM he was and how he was an Ed Wade clone.
Once again(just like with the Miami Heat) BIGSTUD King Cole way ahead of the curve.
It's fun to be on top and all, but once in a while I'd like a challenge.
Don't get bent, Amaro is still a prick and a smug little bastich...he will always be.
He's smug, he's a prick, but he's damn good at his job. That's all I care about and that's all that a GM needs to be. People hated Wade because he sucked not because he was a pompous prick.
Amaro is the best GM in Philly sports history and there isn't a close second.
nm
cole just keeps putting out the bait.
So, a buddy tells me Lee has a kid with cancer and chose Philly because CHOP is superior to anything available in NY or Dallas. True?
Quote from: smeags on December 14, 2010, 02:49:20 PM
cole just keeps putting out the bait.
yeah i dont even know why i responded
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2010, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 14, 2010, 02:49:20 PM
cole just keeps putting out the bait.
yeah i dont even know why i responded
you must have a soft spot in your heart for semi functional retards.
I heard on 97.5 that it was the delicious coffee at Wawa that brought him to Philadelphia. Murray from Leivttown said so.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 14, 2010, 02:57:29 PM
So, a buddy tells me Lee has a kid with cancer and chose Philly because CHOP is superior to anything available in NY or Dallas. True?
His kid battled leukemia years ago but overcame it after a bone marrow transplant. He's also got the money to fly that kid anywhere. I doubt that was a key factor.
"@RealSkipBayless: CliffLee went LeBron, ran from pressure of being The Ace in Tex or being the savior in NY. In effect teamed up w/ Wade, Bosh & Melo in Phlly"
great point because we all know how easy it is to be a high paid/profile sports figure in philly.
he wasnt gonna be on his own in ny.
hes behind cc, jeter, tex, marino, arod there.
nice try you douche skip.
Doesn't Skip have Dallas roots? He probably is heartbroken.
Skip was claiming to be a Phillies fan on First Down today...
It's pathetic that he's stealing Lebron's statements now. Lebron was running his mouth about he inspired Lee by sacrificing his lifestyle/money in the summer.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 14, 2010, 03:57:51 PM
"@RealSkipBayless: CliffLee went LeBron, ran from pressure of being The Ace in Tex or being the savior in NY. In effect teamed up w/ Wade, Bosh & Melo in Phlly"
I shouldn't be surprised every time this guy outdoes himself in terms of stupid, bombastic comments, but I am.
Bayless is making a niche for himself as the Howard Stern of sports talk. He doesn't say anything unless there's some sort of shock value attached to it.
and lol @ there being pressure in texas
nobody gives a flying farg about that team
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Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 14, 2010, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 14, 2010, 03:57:51 PM
"@RealSkipBayless: CliffLee went LeBron, ran from pressure of being The Ace in Tex or being the savior in NY. In effect teamed up w/ Wade, Bosh & Melo in Phlly"
I shouldn't be surprised every time this guy outdoes himself in terms of stupid, bombastic comments, but I am.
Bayless is making a niche for himself as the Howard Stern of sports talk. He doesn't say anything unless there's some sort of shock value attached to it.
Difference is Howard Stern is awesome....Skip Bayless hopefully gets AIDs
yeah the yankees need a savior...wtf?
cliff lee in ny would basically be mussina
Quote from: smeags on December 14, 2010, 02:49:20 PM
cole just keeps putting out the bait.
unofficially on ignore.
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mock
That's still 1000X better than that Werth pic when he was with (I beleive it was) the Orioles.
Dreamy.
And farging Skip Dickless. I did hear him this morning with claim of being a Phillies fan. That 30 for 30 on SMU and the death penalty was great until Skip came on the screen.
from twitter:
(@tashardchoice-bignewz in philly with ma boi cliff lee signing there. i wonder if ruben amaro, jr. would give me his autograph lol?)
Quote"I don't like to be negative," he said. "I never like to be negative. I always like to be positive. So I always say that in baseball, there's nothing guaranteed. You can go to Philly and probably on paper look great, but we don't know how it's going to work out. We're all speculating that it's going to work out great. If you ask Philly fans, they'll say it's going to work out great. If you ask me I say I don't know."
i hope doc fires one in this losers skull the first AB against him.
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2010, 05:34:18 PM
Quote"I don't like to be negative," he said. "I never like to be negative. I always like to be positive. So I always say that in baseball, there's nothing guaranteed. You can go to Philly and probably on paper look great, but we don't know how it's going to work out. We're all speculating that it's going to work out great. If you ask Philly fans, they'll say it's going to work out great. If you ask me I say I don't know."
i hope doc fires one in this losers skull the first AB against him.
Who the hell is that quotemaster.
Werth I'd guess.
werthless?
how the hell do you post a quote like that and not reference who said it?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 14, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
how the hell do you post a quote like that and not reference who said it?
Is this a rhetorical question?
Todd is citing a source who insists on maintaining anonymity. Or he's just a dumbass.
It's Beltran. That quote has the stench of Met all over it.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 14, 2010, 06:35:38 PM
It's Beltran. That quote has the stench of Met all over it.
wow, nice job
i apologize...i thought it mentioned beltran in the quote. wait, i dont apologize. i dont give a shtein.
OMG someone said the phillies might not win the world series?!?!?
everyone cry
Why not a remote chance?
Halliday. 250
Lee. 225
Oswalt. 215
Hamels. 210
That equals 900. I said a guy "like" Durbin. The middle reliever. So by my calculations, RAJ addressed the bullpen quality by adding a fourth frontline starter.
pretty sure Stark is enjoying this more than anyone (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove10/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=5920160)
was running at the gym today and watching Stark in an interview with an ear to ear grin that he tried hiding the whole time. lol.
He is loving this.
http://www.the700level.com/2010/12/cliff-lee-talks-the-team-the-atmosphere-the-environment-the-fans-the-city.html
that dork john clark stalked out lee at the airport. nothing exciting but i do like his sweater.
"When you left, the fans have never truly gotten over you leaving"
Certainly no one on this board.
Letterman tonight:
"This leaves the Yankees with only one option, they're going to buy the Phillies"
that interview did not go where clark wanted it to at all
fans never got over you, did you get over leaving here - "yeah, im actually kinda glad i left"
cliff how much did you wanna be back here and how much did you miss it - "obviously i wanted to be back, im here?"
you turned down a lot of money to come back to philadelphia whats so special about here - [5 scond pause] "uhhhh, i dont know, the team?"
when you saw the staff here did you think it could be the best ever - "uhhh potentially"
lol...clark was so excited and tried to get cliff so excited and instead he sounded like he lost a bet and had to come to philly
btw mrs. lee is THICK possibly has the perfect body and would get it hard
Pfft. . . She's no Vuke's widow.
everytime i hear the words vukes widow i picture roy munson puking in the toilet after he bangs his landlord
LOL. And pics of Mrs. Lee or GTFO
shes not that good looking...but her body in that video looks scrumptious
I think she's dropped weight since this pic but this is her:
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Chubby chaser!
Quote from: SD on December 15, 2010, 09:46:13 AM
I think she's dropped weight since this pic but this is her:
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Sorry, the domain aww-kittah-aww.com is not getting through the company firewall.
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HIT
5/120
vesting option for a sixth
no. 33 clifton phifer lee
presser @ 3
Lol at MDS "I like his sweater" line.
Fashion column in your future?
that would be awesome
RUBE INQUIRING ABOUT PEDRO HOLY CRAP THAT'S AWESOME
Is he really? Pedro would be cheap as anything and having him as the 5th starter would be awesome. I don't think he'd last an entire season though.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2010, 01:56:18 PM
RUBE INQUIRING ABOUT PEDRO HOLY CRAP THAT'S AWESOME
Link?
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mock
Can't mock the dude for getting paid. I was listening to ESPN Radio yesterday and they already said it is one of the worst contracts in history.
Cliff Lee presser is on now. Link if you can't watch it on tv: http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=15407782
"That story from Yankees stadium and my wife was way overblown, nobody threw beer on her or spit on her. We were playing at an opposing stadium and there were just some words, that's the way it goes when you're in enemy territory"
rube's smug-o-meter just blew up
you will all rue the day the werth left when dom brown throws a 12-bouncer from RF to to peanut head at third.
LOL at Lee talking about how Werth was pissed off when he found out that Lee chose Philly.
Wertzed!
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2010, 03:13:14 PM
rube's smug-o-meter just blew up
LOL, this is great http://www.zoowithroy.com/2010/12/cliff-lee-is-phillies.html
The "Mystery Team" t-shirt is pretty funny
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 15, 2010, 02:55:16 PM
Can't mock the dude for getting paid.
you should meet this cat easy
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 15, 2010, 03:32:55 PM
LOL at Lee talking about how Werth was pissed off when he found out that Lee chose Philly.
haaaaaa
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2010, 03:13:14 PM
rube's smug-o-meter just blew up
I'd be smug too if I had acquired 2 of the top 5 pitchers in baseball over the last year and a half
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2010, 04:13:09 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 15, 2010, 02:55:16 PM
Can't mock the dude for getting paid.
you should meet this cat easy
The mock was a joke. geez
btw serious smug today from Rube. He went from this last year:
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to this today:
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Wow. A face ripe for punchin'.
And Werth should he mocked. Maybe he can hit a buck sixty with runners in scoring position for the up and coming (lol) natty lite's
can we at least mock him for the Uncle Rico glamour shot?
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nice soul patch, douchebag.
smug only works when you win championships
michael jordan could be smug and get away with it
george steinbrenner same
ruben amaro not so much...will he be smug when a disgrace of a bullpen or a tragic offense cost them a world series?
bullpen actually in decent shape if contreras' arm stays on his body
offense...yea. this could be bad.
key word there is IF...hoping a 47 year old has a second consecutive big year is asking a lot...and thats just if he stays healthy
you also are counting on lidge again which is a huge stretch...when he goes down or implodes they are done
Quote"The news in Philadelphia, they got their boy back, I guess," Werth said. "That's fine. I think that's good. I like that. If you're going to be the best, you've got to beat the best. They make their plays, and we're going to make ours."
MAI BUTT HURTZ!
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2010, 07:04:45 PM
key word there is IF...hoping a 47 year old has a second consecutive big year is asking a lot...and thats just if he stays healthy
you also are counting on lidge again which is a huge stretch...when he goes down or implodes they are done
lol
they are all in this year like its nothing
i actually have more confidence in lidge than choke and utley. while those 2 cant be replaced, if lidge blows up i get the feeling rube would make something happen for heath bell or something. after giving madson a long ass audition, of course.
Quote from: Rome on December 15, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
Quote"The news in Philadelphia, they got their boy back, I guess," Werth said. "That's fine. I think that's good. I like that. If you're going to be the best, you've got to beat the best. They make their plays, and we're going to make ours."
MAI BUTT HURTZ!
Wow, he really does seem bitter there. Is it because Lee didn't sign in DC to play with him or because the Phils caked off Lee instead?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2010, 06:45:00 PM
smug only works when you win championships
michael jordan could be smug and get away with it
george steinbrenner same
ruben amaro not so much...will he be smug when a disgrace of a bullpen or a tragic offense cost them a world series?
Yes, yes he will be. He doesn't know anything other than smug. He probably has that look on his face when he bangs his old lady.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2010, 06:45:00 PM
smug only works when you win championships
michael jordan could be smug and get away with it
george steinbrenner same
ruben amaro not so much...will he be smug when a disgrace of a bullpen or a tragic offense cost them a world series?
Fair enough.....though I don't agree their offense is tragic.
havas has been on the phillies train to auschwitz since 2005. dont even listen.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2010, 08:33:02 PM
havas has been on the phillies train to auschwitz since 2005. dont even listen.
:-D
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2010, 08:33:02 PM
havas has been on the phillies train to auschwitz since 2005. dont even listen.
lol
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 15, 2010, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2010, 06:45:00 PM
smug only works when you win championships
michael jordan could be smug and get away with it
george steinbrenner same
ruben amaro not so much...will he be smug when a disgrace of a bullpen or a tragic offense cost them a world series?
Fair enough.....though I don't agree their offense is tragic.
i suppose everyone who had career down years last year will turn it around even tho they are a year older...but on paper they have the same lineup minus their best hitter
anyway i wasnt saying its def gonna be awful i was saying if it turns out that way will rube still be full of himself
enough with this "another year older" bullshtein....they're 31 and 32, not 37 and 38. The only one who's age is definitely going to effect him is Raul, and if he's any worse than he was last year, he won't be playing anyway. Jimmy you can say maybe, but for him it seems to be more about health then age.
They did have a lot of guys with down years, are they all going to turn it around? I doubt it, but like I said before even if they are marginally better with the starting pitching they have on paper they should be very good.
Cliff Lee gets it
QuoteI think the ‑ how do you put it ‑ intensity that you can feel when you get in the game. You can feel the volume. Every game has got an elevated feel to it compared to everywhere else. It's completely different. I don't know what the fans do to create that much more volume and excitement in the stadium, but it's definitely something extra here. I don't know what it is, but it's something they're doing.
They get excited. They're passionate fans. They understand what's going on. They don't need a teleprompter to tell them to get up and cheer, to do that. No, it's exciting. It's an historic town. I didn't realize until I got here how interesting the city is. My family really liked it. I mean, that played a big part in it
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She's got the Devil in her eyes. . .
QuoteWerth boos Amaro, via text message
Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. appeared on Fox29's "Good Day" show this morning and said he was booed in a text message from former rightfielder Jayson Werth.
Amaro was taking questions from the station's Facebook friends. Amaro was asked: Why did you say signing [Cliff] Lee would be better for the club than signing Werth?
"I love the guy," Amaro said about Werth, who signed a free-agent deal with the Nationals. "I wish we had him back. Sometimes you have to make tough choices. For us, having a No. 1 starter as compared to a righthanded bat, the impact on our club was greater.
"Is that the right way to look at things? I don't know. For me, it is. I got a long text message from him last night booing me, in classic Philly style. He was upset. But hey, that's how it works sometimes. Business is business. I think he was half kidding. I told him he could still have been on our club if he accepted arbitration."
Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Werth_boos_Amaro_via_text_message.html#ixzz18JBI7349
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else
QuoteI told him he could still have been on our club if he accepted arbitration."
bwahaha
Dance for your table scraps, Jayson!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKhrNPxJPE&feature=player_embedded
Spit iced tea all over myself on this one.
hah. " dude i was so baked, i thought the nationals just wanted my autograph".. haha
That is awesome :-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 16, 2010, 05:49:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKhrNPxJPE&feature=player_embedded
Spit iced tea all over myself on this one.
this is classic !
tell me what im missing cause i unfortunately watched the whole thing and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
this is true
but was that really classic! spitting up fluid funny
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LOL
The Phillies and Dennys Reyes decide to part ways and he won't be signing with the Phillies per Jim Salisbury.
So Cliff Lee is the new lefty out the pen I guess
They could do worse.
The Cliff Lee news finally found its way to Germany....or at least to that hitler clip that everyone uses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTOOUdX5ebk
Also, according to this (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2010/12/roy-halladay-ok-with-cliff-lee-and-his-deal/1), Rube was pretty much asking Halladay's permission to throw that much money at Lee :-D
Halladay is probably the last person on Earth who would cry over his contract. He could have gotten more from another team if he hit free agency and he knows it.
So I went to the mlb.com site tonight and clicked on the Phillies icon to check out some possible gift ideas and just under the Cliff Lee jerseys in the Phillies Shop is this shtein:
QuoteRecommended For You
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A&E Home Video 2010 San Francisco Giants: The Magic Inside DVD
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San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series Champions Official Club House T-Shirt
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$24.99
Recommended for you? farg you.
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well done kyle.
Still pissed she lost on Survivor All-Stars.
So what did I miss? Is there a Hamels-for-Justin Upton rumor floating around?
Randy Miller tweeter about it as if it's been well known and says it's unlikely to happen.
[urlhttp://www.sbrforum.com/mlb-baseball/news/mlb-off-season-report-a-17387/]Shiny Happy People[/url]
QuoteSummary
The Phillies have four aces and I can see Halladay and Lee both winning 20+ games this season. However, the Cy Young contender may be the 4th starter in Cole Hamels. He was the MVP of the 2008 World Series Championship and MVP of the NLCS. He will be competing against the fourth starters on other teams and there is no one in baseball even remarkably close to his talent level in that slot of the rotation. He could win 25 games.
Betting the Phillies
Currently at BoDog, the Phillies wins total is 96 1/2 and I think the 'OVER' is an absolute lock. The big four (Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, and Hamels) are posted to have 61 1/2 combined wins.
Apparently the Nats and Rangers ARE in talks to deal for Blanton.
trade him for werth.
Is Cliff Lee still available?
Gudel says JC is back...1-yr deal
not gonna make a big deal out of this
1 year deal for no $. if he sucks, cut him. basticho can easily pass him, manuel wont be stubbornly loyal to jc. if both suck theyll go get someone at the deadline.
im sure they can survive between april and july with no lefty specialist. but it wouldnt hurt jc to stop at the gnc before the season.
please stop
Quote
Less than four weeks removed from Tommy John surgery, lefthander Jamie Moyer remains optimistic that he will return to the big leagues in 2012, even at age 49.
"A lot of people have seen signs over the course of my career that I should quit or retire," Moyer told the Seattle Times. "In all honesty, I just don't feel like I'm ready to give it up. I feel I'm entitled to make my own decision.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, which people don't seem to be shy about expressing. I respect and appreciate when it comes from the right people. The baseball people I've talked to before and since the surgery, all have been very positive and very supportive."
Moyer said he hopes to begin rehab in early January once the sling is removed. Recovery time is typically 12 to 18 months. Moyer said the doctors have told him the surgery was "very successful."
"It may be difficult to find a job at the age of 49," Moyer said. "Then again, it may not be. I know where I stand: I'll probably get a spring-training invitation (rather than a guaranteed roster spot), and rightly so. I don't have a problem with that. Throughout my career, I've always had to earn the situation I've been in. I don't expect anyone to give me anything. It's never been that way, so why now?"
Moyer was 9-9 for the Phillies before missing the rest of the season with an elbow injury. He pitched briefly in the Dominican winter league before injuring the elbow again.
Moyer said he likely would head back to the Dominican next winter to get a sense of how he felt.
haha. . . too funny.
those are precisely the words that came into my head when i read that this morning.
the man just doesn't know when to call it a career.
Dear Mr.Moyer,
We love you. We appreciate all you've done. You pitched a gem in game 3 of the 08 WS and we will never forget that. You have contributed so much to the success of the Phillies the past four years.
For the love of god, please stop. Just stop.
Please consider a position on the Phils coaching staff where you'll be a great addition.
Happy Holidays!
yankees/tigers
padres/cardinals
dodgers/giants
opening day espn tripleheader
no phillies
easy....go ahead and feel slighted
Rooting against the San Fran potheads should suffice.
How many days until pitchers and catchers?
5 weeks
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2011, 07:58:41 PM
How many days until pitchers and catchers?
http://flyers.nhl.com/
get on the bandwagon now, save yourself for the next couple months.
still 3 whole months away from watching 4 real games in a row of Roy, Cliff, Roy, and Cole. ugh.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2011, 07:58:41 PM
How many days until pitchers and catchers?
Tick tick-tick tick
sergio escalona traded to j's houston astros for minor league 2b albert cartwright
easy....come on man
34 days.
Quote from: MDS on January 10, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
easy....come on man
slippin
here's something people might care about....the giant scoreboard in LF is getting replaced
with what and why?
Two words:
IMAX.
3D.
nm.
was thinking of rf
i was surprised how lousy it was when they built the ballpark. that came after the eagles stadium and the eagles had 2 huge hd screens. the phillies had this half-assed phanavision wanna be that didn't show replays.
maybe easy can look this up and pretend he knows the answer but im pretty mlb policy is to not show close replays out of respect to the umps
yep....they pretty much stick to good defensive plays and homers
The umps negotiated that into their contracts the last time they were up
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what
lol that was awesome.
He was going down the list of grammy nominees for best new artist and some mexican sounding name was on there so he threw up Carlos Ruiz' picture
http://www.phillyphaithful.com/WIN-COLUMN_p_132.html
LOL
And what munson was trying to say was this:
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/01/chooch-mentioned-on-the-colbert-report.html
Phils interested in John Maine (http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/13329/john-maine-talking-with-phils)
He's a good pitcher when healthy and would cost a lot less than Blanton. It's the 5th spot in the rotation so it really doesn't matter who you put there. Anything you get out of that spot in the regular season is nice, but he'll only be making relief appearances in Oct.
I'd sign him just so he never pitches against the Phils again.
The article talks about a minor league deal, if so 'in' because I can't see how it would hurt.
But then that would make Halladay only the 5th best pitcher on his own team
yeah that might be the dumbest thing ever said on this board.
Halladay
King Felix
I don't care what order you have them in but the drop off after those two is significant.
You are a colossal farging idiot.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 12, 2011, 08:19:03 PM
yeah that might be the dumbest thing ever said on this board.
Halladay
King Felix
I don't care what order you have them in but the drop off after those two is significant.
:-D
Quote from: rjs246 on January 12, 2011, 08:20:52 PM
You are a colossal farging idiot.
I was talking about igy, not munson
Congratulations! On a board of dumbasses, you are really rising to the top.
youll have to excuse him he cant think straight with my bird tickling his throat
Quote
Thursday, January 13, 2011
Pagan says Mets can give Phillies a fight
New York centerfielder Angel Pagan says he expects a healthy Mets team to challenge the Phillies this season. (AP Photo) Spring training is getting closer, and hope springs eternal as the days get closer.
What would this time of year be without some comments from a Phillies or Mets player to stoke the fire?
While this is tepid by comparison to Jimmy Rollins' "Team to Beat" assertions of the past, Mets outfielder Angel Pagan said the Mets have a chance against the Phillies.
"If we have health, we can give them a fight," Pagan told the New York Daily News. "Everyone is counting on Philadelphia, but they have to do it. I got my money on my team, bro. I love challenges and that's why I'm looking forward to it. I believe in surprises."
The Mets have changed managers and general managers in the offseason. "It's a different atmosphere, a new start and that's what we're looking for," Pagan said. "We're looking for a better year than last year and to be in the playoffs."
**
Someone needs to tell that clown that crack kills.
Who does he think he is? The little engine that could? With an awful oxymoronic name?
And his name is pronounced An-HELL too!
:-*
The day the Mets win the NFC East will be a cold day Angel.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/01/phillies-to-play-in-civil-rights-game-wear-throwbacks.html
(http://www.negroleaguebaseball.com/photos/phila_stars_jersey_thumb.jpg) or (http://cdn.ebbets.com/images/large/phl39r.jpg) HIT
Yeah that 2nd one gives me a boner. I'd buy an Utley/Halladay/Lee johnson in that. Or maybe a Ruiz just to have a Ruiz and not buy a white guy's negro league jersey.
Left looks like an awful mashup of the Astros & Reds and the one on the right is awesome.
Kendrick signed a 1 yr, $2.45mil deal and avoided arbitration.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 18, 2011, 03:06:10 PM
Kendrick signed a 1 yr, $2.45mil deal and avoided arbitration.
he's like herpes. he keeps coming back.
SportsDome piece on a little girl who hates David Wright (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmR82553eR8&feature=player_embedded#!)
Human Garbage
Hilarious.
"I hope he gets cancer like me"
wow, that's great.
I love her artwork.
Crasnick article on Matt Anderson's comeback attempt with the Phils (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove10/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=6036763)
Some more details on the new scoreboard (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Phillies_getting_massive_new_video_board.html)
Sweet.
Hopefully they don't install wind turbines and solar panels next
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 19, 2011, 12:38:42 PM
Crasnick article on Matt Anderson's comeback attempt with the Phils (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove10/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=6036763)
I'm a little disappointed....
I would have figured Halladay would drive something more manly than a Beemer.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 19, 2011, 01:37:25 PM
Some more details on the new scoreboard (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Phillies_getting_massive_new_video_board.html)
Quote
The original video board has recently been moved to the team's spring training facility at Bright House Field in Clearwater, Fla.
thats pretty awesome for them
Hit?
(https://edmv-sp.dot.state.nc.us/sp/DrawPlate?code=PVA&category=standard&plateText=R2C2)
That is not yours. You lie.
I hope it is. No one in NC will know what it means. They'll think he some Star Wars nerd that can't spell.
Quote from: SD on January 20, 2011, 10:08:08 PM
I hope it is. No one in NC will know what it means. They'll think he's me some Star Wars nerd that can't spell.
Fixed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 20, 2011, 09:37:58 PM
Hit?
(https://edmv-sp.dot.state.nc.us/sp/DrawPlate?code=PVA&category=standard&plateText=R2C2)
...with another car
I'm not realy an "obscure vanity plate" kind of guy, so you certainly have my permission if and when you see that.
Eskin just lashed out at Halladay on Sports Final because he wouldn't answer his questions at a King of Prussia card show today.....also says he wouldn't even say hi to Lee and is impossible to deal with as a media member unless MLB forces him to talk. Hate.
But HOF Brown talked to him about suits, so everything was cool again. And Charlie is thinking about batting Rollins 5th behind Howard. Awesome.
So Eskin gets butthurt by Halladay and tries to stir up some controversy between him and Cliff?
Sounds about right.
Eskin is an icehole who has always hated the Phillies.
Yo Howard...suck my balls. You're a joke. Time to move to Milwaukee or something, icehole.
lol @ eskin creating drama
even if halladay is a douche it doesnt matter. as long as and he ruiz are on the same page everything else is irrelevant.
speaking of ruiz.. i might be a little surprised if he doesn't get at least half a look at the 5th spot.
I like him better at the 8 spot, keep the lineup turning over.
If J-Roll goes to 5, I guess that means Vic-Peanut head-Grit-Howard-Rollins-Brown-Raul-Ruiz?
Ugh...please get Raul out of there.
I'm hearing some thinly-veiled 5 shots.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 24, 2011, 12:07:55 AM
Eskin just lashed out at Halladay on Sports Final because he wouldn't answer his questions at a King of Prussia card show today.....also says he wouldn't even say hi to Lee and is impossible to deal with as a media member unless MLB forces him to talk. Hate.
But HOF Brown talked to him about suits, so everything was cool again. And Charlie is thinking about batting Rollins 5th behind Howard. Awesome.
Pretty funny considering I know about 4 Phillies beat writers (and general sports writers) who love him and think he's awesome.
PS...I love Halladay even more considering he blew off Eskin. He'll be liked even more around these parts if he keeps that up. LOL
Does anyone still listen to Eskin? He was a colossal douche 25 years ago and I can't imagine he's become less so with time.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/01/video-howard-eskin-rips-roy-halladay.html
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2011, 11:51:57 AM
Does anyone still listen to Eskin? He was a colossal douche 25 years ago and I can't imagine he's become less so with time.
he was awesome when he was a douche to callers...but his pro eagle anti phillie stance is beyond sickening to the point where i often turn him off these days...plus as much as i like the guy ike reese is just terrible on the radio
current ratings for this story @ NBC10.com:
43% laughing
24% furious
19% bored
10% thrilled
5% sad
0% intrigued
im not one for banning media members from games but would anyone really care if the phillies didnt let eskin in anymore? he obviously has an agenda and its obviously coming from banner inc/his desperate grab for ratings.
Eskin you prick. Isn't Vick a guest every week on his show?
king adressing his halladay hate right now
Quote from: MDS on January 24, 2011, 01:16:50 PM
im not one for banning media members from games but would anyone really care if the phillies didnt let eskin in anymore? he obviously has an agenda and its obviously coming from banner inc/his desperate grab for ratings.
I think that is why he has beef in the first place, because they shunned his old man down at ST one year.
What is he saying about his Halladay hate?
just saying how he disagrees with halladay about how he doesnt talk to the media
that is was shameful of halladay not to speak to the media the day after his no hitter..and that theres a double standard with the phillies and eagles...that its not fair that people kill andy reid for giving a presser and saying nothing but give halladay utley and other phillies a pass for rarely ever talking to the media
you can almost see banner pulling the strings on his puppet
in general i agree with what hes saying...but you cant make specific comparisons btwn the two sports because the rules are so different...if football didnt force people to talk then there would be a lot more eagles like grit and halladay
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2011, 03:57:56 PM
just saying how he disagrees with halladay about how he doesnt talk to the media
that is was shameful of halladay not to speak to the media the day after his no hitter..and that theres a double standard with the phillies and eagles...that its not fair that people kill andy reid for giving a presser and saying nothing but give halladay utley and other phillies a pass for rarely ever talking to the media
And his double standard is exactly the opposite, because he goes after Halladay for being unapproachable but defends Reid for playing it close to the vest. Also, he of course fails to mention that Cholly gives entertaining pressers and many PLAYERS on the Eagles aren't exactly personality plus. But hey, I don't expect a silly thing like facts or anything resembling an actually-appropriate analogy/comparison to enter into Howard's airwaves.
i wouldnt say he defends reid...ive heard him criticize andy many times for not giving out silly non important info at his pressers...but he certainly doesnt go at him like he is halladay or like he would anyone involved with the phillies...shtein him and chuckles almost came to blows a couple years ago
I like Manuel in that fight, with one hand tied behind his back.
i hate when media members whine and cry about players not talking
you dont play that game out in the open, it doesnt accomplish anything. something came up this year with one of the football teams i cover and the coach blew me off for a week until the coast was clear. behind the scenes i called him a bitch and immature little girl for being afraid to simply say no comment and instead run away from a 23 year old jewish kid
but im not gonna blog or rant and about it. first off its unprofessional. second off i have a relationship i need to protect and killing him over something that should be hashed out behind closed doors or just simply ignoring the situation like nothing happened is what you do. if he wants to be a 2 year old about, fine. me saying that he didnt want to talk told everybody what they needed to know.
howard is an egomaniac who is trying to make everything about himself. this is what this story is about. his ratings suck and hes eating up the hate.
I used to try to listen to Eskin. It was difficult but I still listened occasionally.
Now I don't even bother. He's absolutely awful.
Howard is absolutely desperate for any kind of buzz, it's pretty sad actually.
everything about this slideshow is horrible.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/584438-slideshow-top-7-phillies-relievers?utm_campaign=buzztap&utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/584438-slideshow-top-7-phillies-relievers?utm_campaign=buzztap&utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter)
that's an understatement
The Big Truck should dominate this year. For sure.
I like how they have Baez ranked ahead of Lidge
I forgot he was on the team.
Now I need a drink.
Ricky Bo thinks the Phils are planning on giving John Mayberry Jr. a "legit shot" at winning the right fielders spot this year, especially if Brown isn't impressive during spring training.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
I forgot he was on the team.
Now I need a drink.
Danys Baez will have little to no bearing on the outcome of this season. But drink anyway.
everytime i see or hear his name i get so mad that its not danny
Or Dennis
Quote"I think Chuck is delusional," Levine told ESPNewYork.com. "He has been running the Rangers for a few minutes and seems to believe he's mastered what everyone else is thinking. I think he should let Cliff Lee speak for himself. I'll be impressed when he demonstrates he can keep the Rangers off welfare. What I mean is make them not be a revenue-sharing recipient for three years in a row, without taking financing from baseball or advance money from television networks. Then I'll be impressed."
Wow. Really? Is Randy Levine really whining about revenue sharing as the President of the billion dollar cash money homey motherfarging Yankees?
That's grotesque in a completely awesome way.
The Yankees always whine about revenue-sharing. Nothing new here.
i dont blame them...if you dont want teams to overspend then institute a salary cap...but why should the yankees or anyone else get gouged for having the resources to spend and try to win
What they have is kind of a happy medium between a salary cap and an unrestricted system. Seems to be working just fine. Even the Pirates make money.
i dont care if it works and i dont think it does work...the yankees should not have to contribute a penny to any other team...especially a team like pittsburgh who doesnt even attempt to win
contraction should be option 1 followed closely by a salary cap...revenue sharing is bullshtein
Why are you against redistribution of wealth in baseball when you're all for it in America as a whole? The Yankees can afford to pay a huge chunk of their change a lot more than an upper-middle class family can afford to pay 50% of their income in taxes. What's the difference?
I'm all for contraction as well and think that teams should all be profitable without revenue sharing to be viable, but since it would change the whole landscape of the game and would never happen... I'll take the current system in lieu of a full-on salary cap. Especially because the Phils would be over the cap.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 29, 2011, 09:20:36 AM
Why are you against redistribution of wealth in baseball when you're all for it in America as a whole? The Yankees can afford to pay a huge chunk of their change a lot more than an upper-middle class family can afford to pay 50% of their income in taxes. What's the difference?
please tell me you are joking with this hideous analogy
the poorest pro sports owner is still richer than 99% of the population
What about the guy who empties trash and digs ditches at his stadium?
I'm fine with revenue sharing. The problem is teams at the bottom should be required to spend a minimum in payroll and they dont. And considering the fact that the Yankees make about 50 times more in revenue than the Rangers they shouldn't be making snide comments about them especially when they got their asses beat on the field fair & square. It comes off as bitter & petty but that's what they are, so...
Speaking of revenue sharing in the MLB, NFL, and politics, did anyone catch Maher's New Rules conclusion last night?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-football-sociali_b_815673.html
yeah that was brilliant
Phils possibly signing Gary Matthews Jr to a minor league contract.
i guess with jc gone he will be the new supplier
jc is back, fatty
He was confusing Romero with Durbin again.
Highly touted Brown No. 4 on Top 50 Prospects
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110125&content_id=16500176&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi&partnerId=ed-4410642-183369616 (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110125&content_id=16500176&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi&partnerId=ed-4410642-183369616)
Sure.
Singleton on the list too.
They must have accidentally left out Phillippe Aumont.
Keith Law, who actually kind of reminds me of rjs but anyway, has Dom Brown ranked #2.
Keith Law is an asshat.
What about Keith Stone?
opening day... in
Quote from: mpmcgraw on February 03, 2011, 07:33:40 PM
Keith Law, who actually kind of reminds me of rjs but anyway, has Dom Brown ranked #2.
WTF? Who the hell is this guy?
Quote from: Rome on February 03, 2011, 07:51:11 PM
Keith Law is an asshat.
At least this part makes sense.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_THJ_mo9A8P8/STWbtaZnbyI/AAAAAAAAAes/cJvWQBYVNtE/s320/Keith+law.jpeg)
he's a huge douche in a snarky, hilarious way.
I hope he was raped by an angry gang of street thugs just for wearing that stupid thing.
Phillies apparently kicked the tires on Michael Young with Texas. Not sure how that would make sense.
I don't know if Polly could play right field but if he could then it would make sense especially if they got rid of Blanton in the deal.
bench player?
thinly veiled 5 shot
Quote from: Rome on February 09, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
I don't know if Polly could play right field but if he could then it would make sense especially if they got rid of Blanton in the deal.
Or put Young in the outfield and keep Polly at 3rd.
They're doing a piece on baseball tonight right now on the rotation....my boner is farging huge
Dubee's on there right now
1:30 Monday on CSN......press conf w/ the 4 aces and Blanton
Haha poor Fat Joe....the only question he's going to get is "What's it like pitching with these 4 guys" and "Do you feel pressure to perform as good as they will?"
Blanton is gonna have his usual year. Nothing to see here.
i give it to april 26th before rome writes some ranty anger filled just back from the "watering hole" post about how awful blanton is and how unfair his life is that he lived three hours from philly and went there once or twice and decided to root for the sports teams from there that have at least a handful of white guys
I give it until April 26th before Todd goes all Buffalo Bill and starts skinning fat people so he can make an igy suit.
Quote from: Rome on February 09, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
I don't know if Polly could play right field but if he could then it would make sense especially if they got rid of Blanton in the deal.
Polanco would be the worst rightfielder in baseball by a pretty long shot.
its unbelievable what people will talk about these days re: sports....not only is the phillies getting young ridiculous but once people talk themselves into believeing it could happen they come up ith the most retarded outlandish scenarios as to how it could work...polanco would probably be the worst outfielder since at least rob deer...and you might be able to go back further than that
just so i'm clear on this, not only are opinions not permitted but hypothetical scenarios are also now verboten?
good to know.
oh i welcome the most ridiculous stuff imaginable...but i also reserve the right to be amazed by it
welcome to the 2011 season (http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/video?PID=HvK0ggn9yaoGi8ufeH_qR0SkS_A9L5Hj)
even Blanton looks slimmer
nothing matters until the offense shows it isnt older than dirt and can overcome a million lefties
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 13, 2011, 10:37:48 PM
welcome to the 2011 season (http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/video?PID=HvK0ggn9yaoGi8ufeH_qR0SkS_A9L5Hj)
even Blanton looks slimmer
Rich Bubee eh? Nice work Comcast.
LMAO, i was just gonna say that. Rich Bubee is a downer
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b014e860c6f0d970d-500wi)
grimace?
what game is that
nova last night
he looks fat as hell...hope its just the sweater/angle of the camera but good lord this isnt promising
awesome that he went to a nova game at the lodge...its easy to show our multiple chins at the wock
and that girl looks like a young norah donnell....hott
thats wifey...she was an eagles cheerleader or some shtein and got hooked on his $125 mil and 125 incher
pretty sure he lives on the main line so it aint no thing to head over to that pos school
thats the chick hes been datin for a few years now?....she looks totally different there...and way better
money and knowing youre going to seen at places with important people can convince someone to put down the beef jerkey and get on the treadmill
95% of this board could use the hint
maybe it's just the same angle that makes him look huge
i think the XS ribbed turtle makes him look like a beast...but either way an all time mlb strikeout total is in his not so distant future
he can strikeout 70% of the time if he wants
ill take .270 - .300, 40 homers, 120 rbi and obp upwards of .400
lol....you would?....thats nice of you
Ah yes, baseball is in the air.
Arguments abound!
THEIR fargED AND I fargING HATE ALL OF YOU.
seriously though.. fat boy's ankle still isn't 100%. i don't think he's been hitting the old stair master too much this off season.
lol...you have no idea how much you are upsetting the lil guy
i hope he saves those tears for howards epic april. slow starter.. and hasn't been doing shtein until spring training. if he looks good by june i would be pleased.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 14, 2011, 12:40:56 AM
Ah yes, baseball is in the air.
Arguments abound!
Good god how I missed this! Let's do this. Me so happy.
Quote from: LBIggle on February 14, 2011, 02:33:25 AM
i hope he saves those tears for howards epic april. slow starter.. and hasn't been doing shtein until spring training. if he looks good by june i would be pleased.
well we all know that keeping you happy is the goal of ryan howard and the philadelphia phillies.
I wonder if Grit decided he'd like to play half decent this year?
Can HE play right field when the team trades for Young?
They showed grit on CSN lastnight, he put on some weight.
Hopefully on his penis.
Quote from: LBIggle on February 14, 2011, 02:25:14 AM
THEIR fargED AND I fargING HATE ALL OF YOU.
seriously though.. fat boy's ankle still isn't 100%. i don't think he's been hitting the old stair master too much this off season.
nothing like half jokingly complaining about the 5th starter to try to get a rise out of people
you have two options, either dont sit back relax and enjoy what will be a very fun regular season before the real season begins in the playoffs or you can continue to act like a twat
your call
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/02/phillies-staring-pitchers-press-conference-live-stream.html#more
Live feed of the Pitchers Presser
Are these iceholes already in camp? Ugh.
except for the bitter Yankee dooshbag and Bill Conlin asking a stupid question, that PC was awesome
Will the media stop already with the Cliff Lee "so tell us why you chose us over NY again" questions. The farging insecurity is embarrassing.
(http://media.philly.com/images/021311_Madson_400.jpg)
Makes sense...no one wants to see Lidge miss the 9th inning less than Madson
(http://zozone.mlblogs.com/assets_c/2011/02/rotation-thumb-512x300-2655311.jpg)
Caption?
"Will the best 3 pitchers please smile....thank you."
Quote from: Munson on February 14, 2011, 05:02:39 PM
"Will the best 3 pitchers please smile....thank you."
:-D
"So I show up early yesterday and someone clogged the sh*tters already. Sinners..."
"Joe and Roy O, how does it feel to anchor the best rotation in Phillies history and take these 3 guys under your wings?"
Why are you ripping on Oswalt? Dude is as good as Hamels right now...wtf?
I'm ripping on Oswalt? what?
I think he's damn good...I just think at this point he's due to start hitting a decline in his career with his history of back issues, while Hamels has Cy Young potential this year if he can turn last year's 2nd half into a full year effort. Being the 4th best pitcher in this rotation isn't a knock or a bash or a rip.
Calm down, woman.
Smiley caption:
:-D :-\ :deion :boom ;D
Lumping Oswalt and Blanton into the same category pretty much sums up exactly what everyone thinks you are.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-Oha_7alHJ8/Rrz9AzSpSmI/AAAAAAAAA6o/di1rgBVr_xI/s400/dennis_green.jpg)
its better to just ignore him....you could say the same thing about just about everyone here and me especially. but, please just dont bother. i didnt even need to click the show me the post thing to know what he said.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 14, 2011, 10:34:04 PM
Lumping Oswalt and Blanton into the same category pretty much sums up exactly what everyone thinks you are.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-Oha_7alHJ8/Rrz9AzSpSmI/AAAAAAAAA6o/di1rgBVr_xI/s400/dennis_green.jpg)
You mean, exaggerating reality for the sake of comedy?
Oh no's, I must think Oswalt is only as good as Joe Blanton!
Get the farg out of here you over-reactive hack.
I have never been to a game at CBP. As this is a massive travesty, I am fixing that this year. Just bought 2 tickets to each of the following 3 games:
May 7 vs. Braves (SRO unfortunately)
July 23 vs. Padres (Pavilion 201-205)
August 22 vs. Mets (Field 140-148 & 101-107)
I am very unlikely to be able to make the August 22 game, as it's on a Monday. Will be glad to sell at face value ($77 for the pair) if you want to buy them from me. If not I have a friend in south Jersey with a birthday in August and will likely just send them his way then.
P.S.
LOL at this part of the presser yesterday:
QuoteQ. Cole, you are the only one at this table with a ring. Looking at the guys to your right...
COLE HAMELS: He's (Blanton) got one too.
i only buy standing room...imo they are the best seats...short of having 10th row behind the phils dugout or something...but i aint paying for those
Do you just stand in the concourse the whole time? If not, where can you pop a squat?
yeah there isnt a section of the stadium that doesnt have a standing room area....only thing is if you want something in the infield you have to go in a little early otherwise you might be stuck out in ashburn alley
last night i ordered spring training tickets (also SRO)....will be my first time down at the new complex there....cant wait
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2011, 10:26:31 AM
yeah there isnt a section of the stadium that doesnt have a standing room area....only thing is if you want something in the infield you have to go in a little early otherwise you might be stuck out in ashburn alley
last night i ordered spring training tickets (also SRO)....will be my first time down at the new complex there....cant wait
what game?
st pattys day
you mick
Cholly wants and extension before the season starts (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2011/news/story?id=6121854)
And he deserves and extension
Why would you mock the only guy here who ever defends you? Clown.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2011, 10:26:31 AMyeah there isnt a section of the stadium that doesnt have a standing room area....only thing is if you want something in the infield you have to go in a little early otherwise you might be stuck out in ashburn alley
I think it depends on the game. Last year I was at the Saturday game where they were the road team vs Toronto and I was able to find spots on the concourse behind home plate where I could stand and watch without being bothered or asked for tickets.
did you go in relatively early?...it would be almost unheard of to get right behind homeplate if you came in the stadium shortly before first pitch...also im talking about getting a counter spot...not just randomly standing on the concourse
and you would never be asked for tickets or bothered if you are SRO'ing it on the concourse...thats the whole point with standing room....you can stand anywhere theres room
times article on the phils pitching....
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/sports/baseball/15kepner.html?_r=1&emc=eta1
There are counter spots all around the stadium, not just behind home plate...although that is the best place for standing room. I stood on the cement attached to the pole behind homeplate when Howard launched his 50th. The nice thing about standing room is if the game is a blow out or if you need a break you can run over to McFaddens.
IGY... I'll be there on St Pattys Day.
Quote from: SD on February 15, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
There are counter spots all around the stadium, not just behind home plate.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 15, 2011, 10:26:31 AM
yeah there isnt a section of the stadium that doesnt have a standing room area
yeah thats what i was talking about...i dont even count it as standing room if you dont get a counter...behind the counters is the concourse not SR as far as im concerned
because if the counters are filled and you have to watch the game thru or over people who are at the counters then you might as well watch the game on a tv out in the concourse
Quote from: Rome on February 15, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
IGY... I'll be there on St Pattys Day.
did you get a real seat?
Got 4, actually. Out by the tiki bar in left field. Honestly, I don't spend a lot of time sitting. I'm usually at the bar drinking my face off, which I expect you'll be doing as well.
Get there early, though, so you can get a seat at the bar.
I have photos at home but here's a random shot from the net. You're looking from the opposite side of the bar towards home plate:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3102/2360043660_cb1b98deac_z.jpg)
i wont get a seat at the bar because im gonna walk around the whole park for a while as ive never been and wanna take it all in...id also like to watch the first few innings since presumably one of the starters will be going...but ill definitely be up at the tiki at some point...are the drinks outrageous there like they would be at any ballpark or are the prices lower than that because its spring training
do get a hotel in clearwater or does someone you go with drive your drunk ass home
they are called drinkrails, not counters you heathens
there's plenty of places to stay in clearwater. no chance i drive home from a spring training game. drinks aren't that bad.
There are plenty of places to get stabbed in Tampa. Try Ybor City.
if anyone can find this shirt for me i would appreciate it.
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Get?
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Albert-Pujols-St-Louis-Cardinals-Mark-Teixeira-Ryan-Howard-speculation-021511
Here's to hoping Ken is onto something like he was with the Halladay/Lee trade. Odds of it happening 1%, but awesome to speculate anyway.
im going to predict what J is going to say
Yes. Do it.
Not so fast.
I'm not sure how I would feel about that.
I'm a fan of Choke......and I'd do that deal in a second
you'd have to be a retard to turn down that move
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2011, 06:22:15 PMits unbelievable what people will talk about these days re: sports....not only is the phillies getting young pujols ridiculous but once people talk themselves into believeing it could happen they come up ith the most retarded outlandish scenarios as to how it could work
not sure if this was posted here yet but -
(http://assets.storenvy.com/product_photos/153678/tee_sample_2_large.jpg)
like.
there been dozens of awful t-shirts printed since cliff lee came on board...but perhaps none worse than that one....should go well with your tesla half shirt
i got the goat shirt the other day
"i got 99 problems but a pitch aint one"
Quote from: phattymatty on February 15, 2011, 09:08:03 PM
if anyone can find this shirt for me i would appreciate it.
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b014e8616f4fa970d-pi)
http://giveaschmidt.spreadshirt.com/cliff-lee-boom-shirt-A7095124/customize/color/5
what is the story behind that shirt....did cliff lee say "boom" when he came back or something
(http://media.philly.com/images/phils_springtraining2011B_620.jpg)
WHERE'S JOE?!?!?
I could be wrong, but does Lee represent the final piece to an explosive like pitching force?
Almost like, "Yo we just Cliff Lee back.....Boom!" Im hoping Im way off here.
'Boom' is a thing lots of people say these days to put emphasis on something they just said or did.
This stuff isn't complicated, it just requires socialization outside of a message board. Sometimes I think you're all missing an important piece of your collective brain.
you could of just said I was right.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2011, 09:54:15 AM
'Boom' is a thing lots of people say these days to put emphasis on something they just said or did.
This stuff isn't complicated, it just requires socialization outside of a message board.
in other words there is no story behind it....thanks
nope... but we got a great definition of the word boom from the urban dictionary.
its going to be weird...but Im going to do that thing rj said and step outside from my basement and talk to someone today.
THANK GOD. Freakshow.
this thread is awesome...BOOOOOOOM
Quote from: reese125 on February 16, 2011, 10:04:18 AM
its going to be weird...but Im going to do that thing rj said and step outside from my basement and talk to someone today.
are "u cant touch this" shirts still in?
I have no idea...but its farging dark down here.
Quote from: SunMo on February 16, 2011, 10:05:49 AM
this thread is awesome...BOOOOOOOM
Goes the dynamite
Someone gave me a fist bump the other day and then imitated an explosion with her hand afterward.
It was so rad.
yeah i don't know if there's back story but i say the word boom at least 10 times a day.
but that link is some ripoff by some douche who saw that same picture and decided to create it on zazzle or some shtein. i want the real nike or reebok shiz.
if you start to say it 90 times more a day youll catch the donkey
one of the funniest things ive ever seen was on bourbon street during the NO roadie when he yells BOOM and punches this random little pakistani guy in the stomach
hee haw
i'm laughing just picturing it in my head.
I always think that stupid Nissan Juke commercial should end with the guy saying "BOOM" but he instead says "BANG"
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 16, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
I always think that stupid Nissan Juke commercial should end with the guy saying "BOOM" but he instead says "BANG"
Nissan tried making Bang the new Boom but it obviously never caught on.
BANG!
Quote from: reese125 on February 16, 2011, 09:55:58 AM
you could of just said I was right.
I've seen a bunch of people do this when they post and it drives me nuts.
It's HAVE. H-A-V-E. HAVE! I know when we actually verbalize it in speech it comes out sounding like OF but it's HAVE. Same goes for would "of", could "of" or should "of". It's HAVE!
HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE!
thanks for the grammar lesson SD
actually if you wanna get techinical its "coulda"
Could've would of been just as acceptable.
Yes, the saying is woulda, shoulda, coulda. But I'm talking about saying something like "I would of gone to the WS in 2008 but I had Telsa tickets and went there instead."
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 16, 2011, 01:52:23 PM
But I'm talking about saying something like "I woulda gone to the WS in 2008 but I had Telsa tickets and went there instead."
so am i....and i fixed it for you
It's good to have all this information in one place.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 16, 2011, 01:52:23 PM
Yes, the saying is woulda, shoulda, coulda.
that's actually not correct doctor english.
Go Phillies.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 16, 2011, 02:12:13 PM
It's good to have all this information in one place.
it's even better that tesla indirectly helps you explain the proper use of grammar.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 16, 2011, 02:14:16 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 16, 2011, 01:52:23 PM
Yes, the saying is woulda, shoulda, coulda.
that's actually not correct doctor english.
When it's spoken, that's absolutely how it's pronounced you stupid farging mouth breather.
no one says it in that order dummy.
BOOM
if you clowns don't knock it off i'm unleashing the puns.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 16, 2011, 02:45:27 PM
no one says it in that order dummy.
Some band named Petra disagrees. (http://www.lyrics007.com/Petra%20Lyrics/Woulda,%20Shoulda,%20Coulda%20Lyrics.html)
They seem trustworthy. I'm convinced.
Christian Metal!
stryper wannabes ?
Quote from: SunMo on February 16, 2011, 01:43:10 PM
thanks for the grammar lesson SD
I could
of made a mistake but what the farg are you talking about
Quote from: SD on February 16, 2011, 03:08:51 PM
Quote from: SunMo on February 16, 2011, 01:43:10 PM
thanks for the grammar lesson SD
I could of made a mistake but what the farg are you talking about
think he meant sarge.
I hope you clowns get herpes.
Did they sign John Maine?
Remember the Maine?
I hear he's looking to live in the Maine Line area.
He pitches like a Maineac.
And he dances like he's never danced before.
Well done Sarge, but I think you missed the Maine point of Rome's post
Someone said to me that Maine is just average. I think he was just being mean.
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3298/clifflee.jpg)
:paranoid
Ed has the sense of humor of a 13-year-old boy.
Considering that Lee's Maine problem is back injuries, I'm glad to see him stretching.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/RHP_Maine_picks_Rockies_over_Phillies.html
Maine picks the Rockies over the Phillies. Can't say I blame him.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110220_Inside_the_Phillies__Carlos_Ruiz_the_muse_for_the_Phillies__pitching_staff.html
Rollins predicted a 100 win season. That's nice. Just hit the fargin ball, Jimmy.
Joke's on you. He has to stay on the field first.
When Jimmy's talking, good things happen.
Is 100 wins that hard to fathom when this team won 97 last year with all the injuries, a half season of Oswalt and no Cliff Lee?
No, and frankly I'll be disappointed with any fewer than 107.
If you projected their W/L based off of their record after Oswalt was acquired, it would be 111, and that's without Lee. That being said, you know this team is going to go through an awful 3 week stretch, so I'm thinking 103-105 would be more realistic.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Amaro_Lee_has_mild_side_strain.html?ref=twitter.com
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110220_Inside_the_Phillies__Carlos_Ruiz_the_muse_for_the_Phillies__pitching_staff.html
Mock?
if it was someone else then yeah, but since it's munson and it's on the exact same page we'll just chalk it up to stupidity.
haha oops. Perhaps should have scrolled up first.
Munson! Do your proof reading.
So Maine chose the Rockies. If, he gets called up this year I couldn't think of a better place than Coors Field to reinvigorate your career.
Just in case you guys didn't see, the Phils signed Cliff Lee. Heard he took less money to come here too.
(http://zozone.mlblogs.com/assets_c/2011/02/photo%20shoot%2008-thumb-550x412-2678261.jpg)
Where's Blanton?
Eating. ::)
He'll be starting every game you attend this season. (http://www.phillygameday.com/2011/02/report-blanton-to-start-every-game-you-attend-this-season/)
(http://www.phillygameday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/blanton_joe-291x300.jpg)
:-D
whos ready for my first phillie bet
$20 they dont win a hundred games....first come first SERVED
I'll take that bet if I can opt out if BOTH Halladay and Lee spend time on the DL.
im sure you are joking but no
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 21, 2011, 06:42:43 PM
Where's Blanton?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tardBmqtZas/TWLRNOF3KSI/AAAAAAAAB5Y/R36tJkC8H2w/s1600/blantonphotobomb.jpg)
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2011, 08:53:34 AM
im sure you are joking but no
yea well if they both do, i'm not sure how they get to 100 (especially if it's more than 15 days a piece).
if only one, or neither does, I think they're a very good bet to get over 100.
at least I tried to say both instead of either.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 22, 2011, 09:14:41 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2011, 08:53:34 AM
im sure you are joking but no
yea well if they both do, i'm not sure how they get to 100 (especially if it's more than 15 days a piece).
lol....in other words if something in the bet doesnt go your way you dont wanna do the bet
thats like me saying well ill do it unless all four of them win 15 games or more because if they do that then they probably are gonna have a hundred wins
the bet isn't contingent upon performance, so it's not the same, it's contingent upon making sure both of their best pitchers don't miss an extended period of time.
It's like saying I'll bet the Eagles win 10 games if Vick players at least 12 games next year. I'm not saying I'll bet only if he has a 2-1 TD:INT ratio and 3000 yards passing or something.
actually the bet is contingent on the phillies winning a hundred games...we arent betting on halladay winning 20 games...even making an injury modification there would be lame but doing it on a team bet is even worse
every single sports bet ever made can be affected by injury....do you think someone would take a bet that says i want team A...unless they have some key injuries then i dont wanna do it?
how about if the phillies win 100 games but no one gets hurt then im out?
if you think they are going to have injury problems then just dont make the bet...thats fair...but to make a bet that you are favored in anyway and then take arguably the one thing out of it that would cause you to lose is a joke
I'm in, $20 they go over 100
No one said this was only the regular season. I like SunMo's chances.
hold on, you said $20 they win 100
so I get 100 and over, correct?
correct
Money in Sunny's account.
What else you wanna lose on, Havas?
Not saying it can't be done but 100+ is tough because even if each starter wins 15 games, you would still need 25 more from the bullpen, and if Lidge has more than 5 decisions, they're in trouble. The only way they're breaking 100 is if two guys win 20+, the other three win 15-17 each, and in close games, the bullpen holds on long enough for the offense to do their thing. The Seattle team that won 116 got 86 wins from starters, including 20 from Moyer. The 98 Yanks that won 114 only had 79 wins from starters. The thing about both of those teams is that their 8th inning guys had 8-10 wins because their offenses found ways to rally. If the Phils do it, I think it's only gonna be in the 101-103 range...
the question is what minor, inconsequential event propelled him to start the hate train up again.
i say ciff lee's minor, possibly not even existent soreness.
normally i make stupid bets that i know im gonna lose but i think 100 wins for the phils is about as close as you can get to a perfectly even bet this year
not sure how thinking they might not get to 100 is even close to hating...even homertastic easy is being level headed...congrats for passing him and being right on j's heels for biggest homer ever
Vegas o/u on Phils win total most places is set at 97.
Baseball Prospectus has them at 91, though they normally tend to avoid extreme win and loss totals in their preseason forecasts.
Again, if you're including the postseason, you have to really like the odds for them getting 100.
there is no chance anyone is including postseason in the total dummy.
yeah either ff took his retard pills today or its now an 0-2 count on that joke
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
ff took his retard pills today
I stopped taking them for a while. It oddly coincided with a hiatus from :CF.
they won 97 last year without lee and with the entire offense having an off year.
they might win 110.
get him, sunny.
Exactly. 97 wins with most of the lineup spending time in the MASH unit and sucking shtein when healthy was very impressive. 100+ or bust, do it Sunny.
100+ wins since 1975. Bums twice.
Quote
1975: Cincinnati Reds (108)
1976: Cincinnati Reds (102), Philadelphia Phillies (101)
1977: Kansas City Royals (102), New York Yankees (100), Philadelphia Phillies (101)
1978: New York Yankees (100)
1979: Baltimore Orioles (102)
1980: Baltimore Orioles (100), New York Yankees (103)
1984: Detroit Tigers (104)
1985: St. Louis Cardinals (101)
1986: New York Mets (108)
1988: New York Mets (100), Oakland Athletics (104)
1990: Oakland Athletics (103)
1993: Atlanta Braves (104), San Francisco Giants (103)
1995: Cleveland Indians (100)
1997: Atlanta Braves (101)
1998: Atlanta Braves (106), Houston Astros (102), New York Yankees (114)
1999: Arizona Diamondbacks (100), Atlanta Braves (103)
2001: Oakland Athletics (102), Seattle Mariners (116)
2002: Atlanta Braves (101), New York Yankees (103), Oakland Athletics (103)
2003: Atlanta Braves (101), New York Yankees (101), San Francisco Giants (100)
2004: New York Yankees (101), St. Louis Cardinals (105)
2005: St. Louis Cardinals (100)
2008: Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (100)
2009: New York Yankees (103)
96 teams in Major League Baseball have hit the 100+ wins mark as of the conclusion of the 2009 season.
122-40
$20 on 110 wins j?
Nah, 110 is steep.
107?
ha
Kyle Kendrick is going to be a father. Also, caption this:
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0148c7f54dcd970c-pi)
lets start with who is in between happ and blanton
Head groundskeeper?
Fun bags are about to fall out.
J.C. after he kicked the roids habit.
Is it Wilson Valdez?
joe blanton is so adorable.
In that pic, Blanton reminds me of this:
(http://webpranx.com/images/envycoat.jpg)
Ouch.
Quote"I look for Rollins to push a 200-hit year," Schmidt said. "I look for Victorino to have a 200-hit year. We are talking in those terms. 100 walks. 200 hits. Sort of out-there goal for these guys that you haven't seen in the last few years. They are part of a winning team, don't get me wrong, but I still think they are underachieving as players. Jimmy Rollins can't do what Pete Rose did. Just take a year. Pete Rose had 200 hits 10 straight years. Jimmy's faster, you know.
"I just think Pete understood more what his role was. Jimmy kind of gets to being Jimmy. Jimmy needs to be more Pete Rose-like in his approach to the game, and more accountable for getting on base and understanding that offensively, he's about running and getting on base and getting hits and leading the lead in hitting. He wants to look at the USA Today or the Inquirer or whatever and see his name right up there in the top three in hitting. It should be, right? So should Victorino's. And they now feel that way. So I look for big things all the way around."
He's right. Those scrubs should hit no less than .280 and be on base a lot more.
And strike out a lot less. Rose hated striking out more than any player who ever lived. Those two fargheads could learn a thing or two from that.
strikeouts really arent all that bad
they generally mean higher pitch counts and keep you out of double plays. plus when youre going to produce an out 70% of the time really whats the difference what it is. the better stat is strikeouts in situations where you need to put the ball in play.
but that wasnt on the back of the baseball card, so...might lose you there old man
Taking the side of Jimmy Rollins in a 'who is better at baseball, Pete Rose or Jimmy Rollins' argument is neato.
it's not even a side. even jimmy said that Schmidt was right
Quote from: rjs246 on February 23, 2011, 08:20:00 PM
Taking the side of Jimmy Rollins in a 'who is better at baseball, Pete Rose or Jimmy Rollins' argument is neato.
no one with the exception of possibly havas thinks jimmy is better than pete
all im saying is the strikeouts are the worst thing ever mindset is really outdated and based on nothing
Striking out puts no pressure on the defense whether the bases are empty or loaded. Putting the ball in play, even a routine ground ball to 2nd still requires execution by the defense to record the out and provides a (slim) opportunity for an error.
So yes, in a sport where you are going to make an out 70% of the time, it does in fact matter how much you strike out.
again its an overtly simplistic way of looking at things.
for a player like ryan howard it simply comes with the territory. plus howard is slow as dick and its not a terrible thing keeping him from rolling over a routine grounder for a double play. the key to howards production is to look at what he does with runners on base and runners in scoring position. what he does with no one on unless its a solo shot is sort of whatever.
for a player like jimmy rollins its a fairly big downfall on his production....9 times out of 10 you want jimmy putting the ball in play routine ground out or home run. and if i recall without looking at the stats his strikeout numbers have gone down. perhaps they went back up last year cause it was just a terrible year for him but hes definitely in a better place as a hitter now then he was back in 2003.
for a player like bobby abreu or jayson werth its a product of them working consistently deep counts. you cant have as high an obp and walk as many times as they do without striking out a lot. unless youre albert pujols when you get into 2-2 or 3-2 counts, you might strikeout every now and again.
also lets not forget how the game has changed and what the impact of moneyball has been. obp = good. walking = good. and you cant get these without striking out.
No one is talking about Howard, Werth or Abreu you twit. But your comments on Jimmy pretty much support what I just said. So thanks I guess.
you were saying striking out is sort of bad, i was saying it sort of isnt
something like that
is anyone else really tired of these mike schmidt state of the franchise speeches every spring
Striking out is almost universally bad except for the double play scenario. And LOL at everything else that followed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2011, 07:57:38 AM
is anyone else really tired of these mike schmidt state of the franchise speeches every spring
Yes. Love the guy put he was part of some teams that yaked it up just as bad. Someone needs to bring up his pitiful performance in the 1983 WS against Baltimore.
i dont care because of that....it annoys me because you dont hear from him for 364 days a year and then once a spring he comes out and gives his 25 cents on the team...if you wanna be a coach then get into coaching...if you wanna be a commentator then call up baseball network and audition...otherwise shut the farg up attention whore
Quote from: Rome on February 24, 2011, 10:36:39 AM
Striking out is almost universally bad except for the double play scenario. And LOL at everything else that followed.
It's bad as in you're making an out, and it can be worse than putting the ball in play because you're taking out the chance for errors, sac fly's etc.
But it's not normally worse. It's normally the same thing as any other out. It's a bigger deal when it's Jimmy who is doing it because you'll take him grounding into a FC if it's putting his speed on first instead of a K.
leadoff batters striking out isn't such a bad thing.
it's good to get this info.
Mike Schmidt is an icehole
probably my all time favorite player...
but still he's an icehole
Phils up 4-0 on FSU after 1. :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy
8-0 final. The few regulars that played were gone by the 3rd
Pretty sure this is a good indicator that they will win the World Series.
farg was i thinking making that bet with sunny
you can buy out for $17.50 right now if you want
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question:
when was rube's smug-o-meter at its highest?
a. during the press conference announcing cliff lee as a phillie
b. the call he made to the cardinals gm asking if they wanted joe blanton
Blanton 4 Pooholes str8 ^
Quote from: MDS on February 24, 2011, 09:28:17 PM
question:
when was rube's smug-o-meter at its highest?
a. during the press conference announcing cliff lee as a phillie
b. the call he made to the cardinals gm asking if they wanted joe blanton
C. 24 hours a day.
I bet he's the type who pitches BP to his kids and dusts them off the plate or drops a hook on them and taunts them.
For the last time dum dums, striking out is bad in that it prevents you from getting on base. Beyond that an out is an out and how it came about is almost entirely negligible.
A player who hits .280 and with 25 HR and .875 OPS but strikes out only 50 times is still not better than a guy who hits .280 with 35 home runs and a .925 OPS and 200 strike outs.
Or in other words when looking at the final stat lines for a season strike outs mean less than nothing.
Literally less than nothing?
yeah if theres a man on third with one out and you strikeout it LITERALLY means nothing and is def on par with a deep fly out
mpm is retarded. Especially for speed guys, putting the ball in play is good policy. Striking out doesn't even give the batter a chance to utilize one of their weapons.
Beane is only looking at the after effects of an out. At the end of a season, in some dungeon basement where baseball stat nerdery takes on a god-like importance, striking out is no different than a long fly ball. During the at bat, which is all that actually matters in the real world of baseball, making contact is almost always is preferable especially if the player has speed enough to be disruptive.
Stop talking about baseball, rjs.
i mean how friggin retarded does this sound
Quote from: mpmcgraw on February 25, 2011, 12:04:32 AM
striking out is bad in that it prevents you from getting on base. Beyond that an out is an out
the whole argument is stupid because its all predicated on the fact that you have to assume the batter is gonna get out...well duh...IF the batter is gonna get out most times a strikeout is the same as any other out...but even then you have cases of a sac fly or advancing a runner when a strikeout isnt like other outs
i seriously cant think of a time when a strikeout isnt universally awful...the only out worse than a strikeout is the third out
there actually might be one exception...and thats when you have a pitcher up with less than two out and men on base
Quote from: mpmcgraw on February 25, 2011, 12:04:32 AM
For the last time dum dums, striking out is bad in that it prevents you from getting on base. Beyond that an out is an out and how it came about is almost entirely negligible.
A player who hits .280 and with 25 HR and .875 OPS but strikes out only 50 times is still not better than a guy who hits .280 with 35 home runs and a .925 OPS and 200 strike outs.
Or in other words when looking at the final stat lines for a season strike outs mean less than nothing.
So game 6 against the Giants, down by a run (or maybe the score was tied), late in the game, bases loaded, 1 out, Ben Francisco strikes out. He puts the ball in play and the Phillies possibly win that game. See the stupidity in your logic? At least if you put the ball in play you're making the defense make an out, who knows, maybe they over throw 1st base, drop an easy catch etc.
hes gonna tell you an error isnt an out
in his theory francisco is getting out no matter what...in your scenario where his theory fails is that francisco could get a sac fly....or a fielders choice at second...two scenarios where theres an out but a run scores which obviously wouldnt happen if he strikes out
Quote from: SD on February 25, 2011, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on February 25, 2011, 12:04:32 AM
For the last time dum dums, striking out is bad in that it prevents you from getting on base. Beyond that an out is an out and how it came about is almost entirely negligible.
A player who hits .280 and with 25 HR and .875 OPS but strikes out only 50 times is still not better than a guy who hits .280 with 35 home runs and a .925 OPS and 200 strike outs.
Or in other words when looking at the final stat lines for a season strike outs mean less than nothing.
So game 6 against the Giants, down by a run (or maybe the score was tied), late in the game, bases loaded, 1 out, Ben Francisco strikes out. He puts the ball in play and the Phillies possibly win that game. See the stupidity in your logic? At least if you put the ball in play you're making the defense make an out, who knows, maybe they over throw 1st base, drop an easy catch etc.
Bad example, bases loaded and one out you want the strikeout over the ground ball.. there's a greater chance of a double play to end the inning than there is for a defensive error. Especially if its Francisco.
Is there a better chance the run gets home from 3rd with a ground out or a strike out?
of course you want a strikeout over a double play but you dont want a strikeout over every other possible result
wow, this strikeout debate is still going on ?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 25, 2011, 10:49:25 AM
of course you want a strikeout over a double play but you dont want a strikeout over every other possible result
I would rather francisco strike out over him hitting a HR, the rbi totals would ruin my statistical analysis.
I love it when Beene shows up. It's like he's got Internet radar when it comes to sabermetric bullshtein.
part of the argument that strike outs mean nothing and are just outs makes sense. in many cases it does.
but in many cases it does not. so...what you need to do is meet somewhere in the middle of old timey baseball simplistic stat mentality and loser geek mcgraw sabermetrics.
there is no middle...strikeouts are overwhelmingly awful in almost any case
Quote from: smeags on February 25, 2011, 11:00:08 AM
wow, this strikeout debate is still going on ?
Should be resolved by June.
Just in his example alone, the guy who strikes out 200 times with 85 RBI (Werth!)... if he puts the ball in play 100 times and only strikes out 100 times how many more RBI's does he get?
Regardless, if you're a leadoff hitter and you play 150 games, that's 150 guaranteed at-bats where you won't hit into a force out. It makes no sense to say in that scenario striking out isn't worse than hitting the ball in play regardless of the outcome. It's just contrarian nonsense to suggest otherwise.
Quote from: smeags on February 25, 2011, 11:00:08 AM
wow, this strikeout debate is still going on ?
Yes and I suspect all of these idiots are experts on striking out......with women.
neato
We can't all be experts on striking out with doodes like you, Sarsaparilla.
What's up with these awful looking jerseys?
(http://images.footballfanatics.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productImages/_608000%2fff_608159_xl.jpg&w=400)
(http://images.footballfanatics.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productImages/_608000%2fff_608391_xl.jpg&w=400)
(http://images.footballfanatics.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productImages/_605000%2fff_605793_xl.jpg&w=400)
But they also have some nice gear at reasonable prices too.
http://www.footballfanatics.com/MLB_Philadelphia_Phillies/browse/partnerid/7084/featuredproduct/608045/source/AFF_Philly_Generic_Jerseys
They're missing something...like a collar or something.
My old room mate is talking shtein on my facebook wall trying to tell me the Giants have a better lineup than the Phillies. Hilarious.
Shellback?
Speaking of Shellback....finally got my Shellback certificate last week. Only took 8 months.
Quote from: Rome on February 25, 2011, 04:22:38 PM
Shellback?
no...he's my current room mate and is a Phils fan.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 25, 2011, 04:34:50 PM
Speaking of Shellback....finally got my Shellback certificate last week. Only took 8 months.
Welcome to the brotherhood.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 25, 2011, 03:07:19 PM
What's up with these awful looking jerseys?
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But they also have some nice gear at reasonable prices too.
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I think that grey and white one is a piper.
Looks like a rugby uniform.
The grey and white one isn't bad, but I don't really care for jerseys unless it's something that the team has actually worn. That green Utley johnson is by far the worst of the bunch and one of the worst jerseys I've ever seen.
Danys Baez is a minor league game this morning:
2/3rd IP
5R
5ER
Just cut this bum now.
Meanwhile Durbin signed with the Indians.
Not sure how you keep Baez and let Durbin walk. Durbin isn't spectacular, but solid and it's not like the Phils are overflowing with bullpen depth.
For most batters there is a trade off between strikeouts and power. Could Howard and Werth alter their long looping swings and strike out less? Yes. Would they be anywhere near as productive? No. The same reason they strike out a ton is the reason they have their power, although in Howard's case it does not help he seemingly has little grasp of the strike zone. There is a reason you don't see many guys hitting 35+ home runs or slugging .500 and not striking at or well above 100 times a season. In fact the only person I can think of that does that off the top of my head is Pujols, and he might be the best right handed hitter of all time when his career is said and done.
If you strike out less will you have a higher BA and situational RBI's (rbi's suck)? Yes, but that is reflected in the stat line at the end of the year. You don't get extra points for it just because you did it by striking out less. Results are results. This isn't a sabermetrics thing, this is basic logic.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2011, 01:53:38 PM
Danys Baez is a minor league game this morning:
2/3rd IP
5R
5ER
Just cut this bum now.
Meanwhile Durbin signed with the Indians.
nothing quite like the first J overreaction of the year
its officially spring
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 26, 2011, 02:27:06 PM
Not sure how you keep Baez and let Durbin walk. Durbin isn't spectacular, but solid and it's not like the Phils are overflowing with bullpen depth.
one is a free agent one isnt
Quote from: MDS on February 26, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2011, 01:53:38 PM
Danys Baez is a minor league game this morning:
2/3rd IP
5R
5ER
Just cut this bum now.
Meanwhile Durbin signed with the Indians.
nothing quite like the first J overreaction of the year
its officially spring
Yeah that is an overreaction alright; the guy farging sucks.
J, see our boy Sardinha today? Just hope he has a designated driver this spring.
is there gonna be anything better than j during a three game losing streak this year
Suicide watch begins April 1.
So evidently Werth "hates" the Phillies now.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Werth_I_hate_the_Phillies.html
Hahaha...
Pretty sure he was just saying that in jest to agree with the other guy. Regardless who gives a shtein? Werth is overrated and overpaid and his story is already tiresome. The only people in this city who will miss him are female and who cares what they think.
oh boy does sd have issues with women
anyway does anyone honestly care about the nationals?
yea thats what i thought
Quote from: MDS on February 27, 2011, 11:05:08 AM
oh boy does sd have issues with women
anyway does anyone honestly care about the nationals?
yea thats what i thought
Don't get me wrong, every once in a while you get a PG who actually knows her shtein. But in general would you sit at a bar and have a conversation with an average women about sports? Ever wonder why there's only 1 female who posts on this board? It has nothing to do with issues and everything to do with reality. Women like certain players (Werth/Utley/Burrell) because of the way they look.
its like me seeing the roomate for minka kelly
i dont get the reference
he suffered through two hours of mindlessness for a brief glimpse of a hot broad.
who hasn't, amirite?
I suffered through Aeon Flux the other day because it was 90 minutes of Charlize Theron in a spandex body suit.
is this game on TV?
http://www.csnphilly.com/02/27/11/MRI-reveals-that-Utley-has-knee-tendinit/landing_phillies_loud3r.html?blockID=428945&feedID=704
1 game into Spring Training and Grit has knee tendinitis.
He's had it and played through it since last year. That was what Davey Lopes was referencing when Amaro yelled at him last year.
good to know utley has a built in excuse when he hitting .240 in june
you shut your filthy whore mouths about chasey.
Can't he just borrow some hair to make some new knee tendons?
Quote from: MDS on February 27, 2011, 03:24:55 PM
good to know utley has a built in excuse when he hitting .240 in june
Negative motherfarger!
I was thinking he'd be batting around .230, so by that standard I find Todd to be homerishly optimistic.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2011, 01:17:48 PM
is this game on TV?
On MLB Network, delayed tonight. I think 8 PM EST.
its also a built in excuse to up the GRIT factor if he plays well
Quote from: Don Ho on February 27, 2011, 05:21:05 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2011, 01:17:48 PM
is this game on TV?
On MLB Network, delayed tonight. I think 8 PM EST.
PG is a chick so she will be fixated on the Oscars at that time.
Couldn't be more wrong. I didn't watch a second of it, nor did I care to.
But thanks for the stereotype....perhaps a glance at the TV show thread will show you who actually watched. :yay
You might not have watched it, but its definitely been dvr'd....because you were either cooking, having a baby or doing some other womanly task.
At the very least, she absolutely was NOT letting murp lay on the couch scratching his balls and eating a burrito
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2011, 11:14:41 PM
Couldn't be more wrong. I didn't watch a second of it, nor did I care to.
But thanks for the stereotype....perhaps a glance at the TV show thread will show you who actually watched. :yay
Right, the subject matter of this year's nominated films didn't include anything about running or complaining that you're too skinny to fit in your clothes anymore. I failed to realize that. Maybe next year.
Go Phils.
Not sure what any of that has to do with anything lol. I had no desire to watch the Oscars, so your "she's a girl, she must be watching" comment was off-base.
pretty sure everyone else here understood that it was a simple joke with no need for extensive explanation about just how awesome/different you are than the stereotypical woman
All women are hateful manipulative bitches.
The alternative is worse so we deal.
Quote from: Rome on February 28, 2011, 09:40:06 AM
All women are hateful manipulative bitches.
The alternative is worse so we deal.
SD hack into Rome's acct?
He's just keepin it real. 90% of the men on this board think the same way I do. They're just not as vocal or are married and think they shouldn't say those things.
FYI: The ACTUAL Cliff Lee "BOOM" shirt will be mass produced by Nike, in case the knockoffs some of you found weren't any good.
Quote from: SD on February 28, 2011, 10:59:16 AM
He's just keepin it real. 90% of the men on this board think the same way I do. They're just not as vocal or are married and think they shouldn't say those things.
Eskin hack into SD's account?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 28, 2011, 04:08:01 PM
Quote from: SD on February 28, 2011, 10:59:16 AM
He's just keepin it real. 90% of the men on this board think the same way I do. They're just not as vocal or are married and think they shouldn't say those things.
Eskin hack into SD's account?
so wait, sd hacked into rome's account and then eskin hacked into sd's account ?
Eskin IS SD. Cracked the code.
:o
Speaking of crack, I saw some dude smoking crack in an alley yesterday after brunch in downtown Richmond. I had seen people shooting up before but never witnessed the glass dick love. My life is complete now I guess.
So remember that time I wasn't being sarcastic?
Yeah, me neither.
And were you having lunch in Shockoe Slip? 25 years ago that place was farging awesome. Don't know about now but it's probably filled with something awful, like a Hooters or a Cheesecake Factory.
i had a crack experience recently as well...theres a park right outside my office that is adjacent to a homeless shelter so the benches steady have homelss people chillin....starting back in november or something i started seeing these young bucks hanging out with the homeless all the time....never seen this in the almost ten years ive worked down there...then sometime after that i started seeing the drugs...the young doods would light and hold the pipe while the homeless cats would take hits
then about a month ago on my way home theres like 15 cops cars all up in the park and all the corner boys are on benches cuffed up...since then i barely see anyone in the park not even a lot of homeless doods
Soylent green.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2011, 05:45:21 PM
i had a crack experience recently as well...theres a park right outside my office that is adjacent to a homeless shelter so the benches steady have homelss people chillin....starting back in november or something i started seeing these young bucks hanging out with the homeless all the time....never seen this in the almost ten years ive worked down there...then sometime after that i started seeing the drugs...the young doods would light and hold the pipe while the homeless cats would take hits
then about a month ago on my way home theres like 15 cops cars all up in the park and all the corner boys are on benches cuffed up...since then i barely see anyone in the park not even a lot of homeless doods
somewhere in there you shot little wire fishies out your dick
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2011, 05:45:21 PM
i had a crack experience recently as well...theres a park right outside my office that is adjacent to a homeless shelter so the benches steady have homelss people chillin....starting back in november or something i started seeing these young bucks hanging out with the homeless all the time....never seen this in the almost ten years ive worked down there...then sometime after that i started seeing the drugs...the young doods would light and hold the pipe while the homeless cats would take hits
then about a month ago on my way home theres like 15 cops cars all up in the park and all the corner boys are on benches cuffed up...since then i barely see anyone in the park not even a lot of homeless doods
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Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2011, 05:45:21 PM
i had a crack experience recently as well...theres a park right outside my office that is adjacent to a homeless shelter so the benches steady have homelss people chillin....starting back in november or something i started seeing these young bucks hanging out with the homeless all the time....never seen this in the almost ten years ive worked down there...then sometime after that i started seeing the drugs...the young doods would light and hold the pipe while the homeless cats would take hits
then about a month ago on my way home theres like 15 cops cars all up in the park and all the corner boys are on benches cuffed up...since then i barely see anyone in the park not even a lot of homeless doods
What?!? someone recall Jesse from hanging with the racist MA a holes in Wisconsin! He's clearly needed elsewhere!
Quote from: Rome on February 28, 2011, 05:39:27 PM
And were you having lunch in Shockoe Slip? 25 years ago that place was farging awesome. Don't know about now but it's probably filled with something awful, like a Hooters or a Cheesecake Factory.
We go down there every now and then but the Richmond financial district is there now so most of the clientele are working shmucks and after happy hour it sort of clears out during the week. On the weekend it's still hoppin but the Tobacco Factory, an institution, closed during the recession and Richmond businesses in general got farging crushed in 2009. Three of the four biggest employers in the area went out of business so the city is hurting big time.
sooo ... baseball ?
http://phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110228&content_id=16769790¬ebook_id=16769792&vkey=notebook_phi&c_id=phi# (http://phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110228&content_id=16769790¬ebook_id=16769792&vkey=notebook_phi&c_id=phi#)
No thanks.
today's game w/ Lee starting is on TCN at 1
OMGREGGIEBUSHCLIFFLEE
nothing quite like FF stepping wrist deep into the CF vault to try and squeeze a laugh out of a 5 year-old joke
my man
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
today's game w/ Lee starting is on TCN at 1
wtf is tcn?
the old CN8
ok thx
looks like they're having issues ::)
Yes it's early but Francisco looking good so far. Brown, not so much. 8 K's in 12 at bats.
I am watching the replay on MLBN and three pitches into the season and I am already sick of McCarthy and Wheels.
McCarthy, the dope, when talking about Ibanez actually pronounced shaved as "shay-vid"
"Ibanez has a new look, the beard with the shay-vid head".
i am spending the extra 20 on the mlb.tv package to choose the announcing team so i can always avoid listening to them.
give me carpenter and dibble please
Why isn't Franzke on tv yet?
because wheels is a cockblocking farg face
i would pay big bucks to see a fan run up behind wheels and rip his wig off. :yay
Quote from: Don Ho on March 01, 2011, 03:15:42 PM
Yes it's early but Francisco looking good so far. Brown, not so much. 8 K's in 12 at bats.
yeah 8k's in 12 at bats, zero hits and looks lost at the plate.
Because they farged around with his swing. The guy was blistering the ball when he got to the show. You don't do that at AAA and then forget how to hit. Just put him in there and let him figure it out. He'll be fine.
i could be wrong but didnt the coaches have him alter his swing by lowering the hands after his less than impressive winter ball outing ?
dont even pay attention to hof brown
come back after 3 weeks and see where hes at
if hes still in this place then he'll got to AAA to get his shtein in order. francisco was gonna play a lot anyway, so now youll just see more of him. which is...averagely good.
thats key, "if" he doesnt get his bat going do not keep him up just to collect splinters while waiting to platoon.
Quote from: Rome on March 02, 2011, 11:55:42 AMThe guy was blistering the ball when he got to the show.
Because he was feasting on bad minor league pitching, and when he got to the majors, teams exposed the hole in his swing from his hands being so high, so he's basically been a speedy Russell Branyan since mid-August
Ship him to St. Louis with Howard for Pujols. Everybody wins in that scenario.
except for logic
rf doesnt matter anyway...jimmy grit choke and victorino all have to have big years or the offense is gonna be terrible again
all i have to say is the pitching better be better than advertised or they have zero chance to get a world series
no idiot
they need to situationally hit in october
theres no way to predict if that will happen. the giants offense blows and they did it last year. start freaking out in the playoffs. until then enjoy the ride.
gotta make the playoffs first
and this lineup as old as it is will never situationally hit...they are what they are...just gotta hope the bottom hasnt fallen out yet and that last year was a hiccup not a sign of things to come
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2011, 01:40:14 PM
gotta make the playoffs first
and this lineup as old as it is will never situationally hit...they are what they are...just gotta hope the bottom hasnt fallen out yet and that last year was a hiccup not a sign of things to come
yea last year edgar renteria, aubrey huff, juan uribe and pat burrell has no problems
i mean please job stop. stop being a douche and enjoy the 6 months of epic greatness, then turn up the philly fan bitch factor to 11 in october.
anyone that 100% puts a team that plays in a sport with a 162 game in the playoffs before it starts just doesnt know baseball...however if you feel that strongly ill take 10-1 odds on a bet they dont make it
they absolutely should make it but because of their age the potential for players to get worse this year either beacuse of natural downward progression or injury is high
because of the unbelievable homersim generated via the lee signing people are completely overlooking the loss of werth
lidge could easily be done this year and if he is so is the team
lee i honestly believe will struggle...and i put struggle in quotes...hes not gonna suck but i got him at like 12-14 wins...i think his post season struggles last year werent a fluke
oswalt will get hurt
hallday will be halladay and nicole will be fine...offense will suck...bullpen likewise
i see them winning the division but having to fight for it to the end...possibly even more so than last year...but there is a fine line bwtn that and missing the playoffs if a bunch of things that could easily go wrong do go wrong...and thats all im saying...just try not to be so cocky
This again
$50 todd to havas no playoffs
$25 havas to todd playoffs
i want more than 2-1 odds
baseball prospectus gives them a 71% chance of making the playoffs
i settle for 7-1 odds on 20 bucks
deal?
farg you im not putting up that kind of money
if you wanna be a bitch and want to manufacture ways in which they wont beat the pos braves over 162 games then put your money up
if not then quit worrying about shtein until the playoffs hit
$140 is a lot of money?
and especially for a bet you know you are gonna win?
weaker than seven days son
If they have a 71% chance of making the playoffs, 2 to 1 is much closer to accurate/fair than is 7 to 1.
But this discussion is already more tired than a monster truck.
im actually giving him a break...in his mind the odds have to be at least 50-1....so 7-1 is a friggin steal...i really wanted to do 10-1
i love the positive attitude the beginning of a new baseball season brings around here.
We'd have it no other way.
Baseball season on CF.
Billy Beane subjecting us to the nonsensical sabermetric bullshtein
Havas dipping his toe into the negativity pool
Bets being offered, declined, offered with odds, declined, farg you, no farg YOU.
all were missing is J complaining about joe blanton and were rollin
Doc luvs him sum Chooch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIgTbK0D99A)
Holy shtein that's awesome.
Love it
Roy Halladay, Mr. Personality.
That's great.
Are you guys so starved for baseball that your brains have atrophied? That commercial wasn't original or funny at all.
Oh my god! Roy Halladay was in a commercial talking about Chooch and being a phillie! Yay Phillies! OMGROYHALLADAY!
You are one salty farg.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2011, 01:29:30 PM
Are you guys so starved for baseball that your brains have atrophied? That commercial wasn't original or funny at all.
Oh my god! Roy Halladay was in a commercial talking about Chooch and being a phillie! Yay Phillies! OMGROYHALLADAY!
i didnt even hit the link because i knew my reaction would be along the lines of what you describe
phillie fans are about as sickening as it gets right now in sports....almost makes you yearn for the days of don carmen
It was Chekovian in its comedic genius.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 03, 2011, 01:53:33 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2011, 01:29:30 PM
Are you guys so starved for baseball that your brains have atrophied? That commercial wasn't original or funny at all.
Oh my god! Roy Halladay was in a commercial talking about Chooch and being a phillie! Yay Phillies! OMGROYHALLADAY!
i didnt even hit the link because i knew my reaction would be along the lines of what you describe
phillie fans are about as sickening as it gets right now in sports....almost makes you yearn for the days of don carmen
i'd rather be a sickening phillies fan who enjoys shtein like that than a miserable farg who is waiting for everything to go wrong so i can say "I TOLD YOU SO!"
I got my sickening season tickets in the mail yesterday.
Quote from: SunMo on March 03, 2011, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 03, 2011, 01:53:33 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 03, 2011, 01:29:30 PM
Are you guys so starved for baseball that your brains have atrophied? That commercial wasn't original or funny at all.
Oh my god! Roy Halladay was in a commercial talking about Chooch and being a phillie! Yay Phillies! OMGROYHALLADAY!
i didnt even hit the link because i knew my reaction would be along the lines of what you describe
phillie fans are about as sickening as it gets right now in sports....almost makes you yearn for the days of don carmen
i'd rather be a sickening phillies fan who enjoys shtein like that than a miserable farg who is waiting for everything to go wrong so i can say "I TOLD YOU SO!"
This guy has a point, folks.
Quote from: Rome on March 03, 2011, 02:11:29 PM
It was Chekovian in its comedic genius.
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phillies fan are sickening now. :-D
they have been essentially since the new stadium opened....maybe the second or third seasons it really kicked in...but this year its just beyond imaginable
That commercial would be great if Doc and Chooch played for any other team in baseball. They could have made it last year with Buehrle and whoever caught his perfect game and I'd have the same opinion of it. Find something else to bitch about.
it would be great if you loved 'how i met your mother'
igy, you have to write a book.
Don't encourage him.
1-hit the Red Sox today yesiknowitsspringtraining
ST is all about individuals
nicole was lights out in a four innings
HOF brown still hitless
mike stutes who has a shot at a BP job was good
In more interesting news, Chooch's wife had their first child, a son named Carlos. Ruiz also has an 8-year-old son with another woman. That kid's name? Carlos.
move over george foreman here comes carlos.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 03, 2011, 04:15:42 PM
In more interesting news, Chooch's wife had their first child, a son named Carlos. Ruiz also has an 8-year-old son with another woman. That kid's name? Carlos.
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i was walking down the street from my office today at lunch time and saw chooch's doppleganger at a streetside cafe.
I miss the days of Von Hayes and Dickie Thon, don't you guys?!
And can we re-name HOF Brown AAA Brown?
I like Dr. K better
Bring back Steve Jeltz.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
I miss the days of Von Hayes and Dickie Thon, don't you guys?!
And can we re-name HOF Brown AAA Brown?
i could only imagine the posts from you innning by inning.
Quote from: smeags on March 04, 2011, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
I miss the days of Von Hayes and Dickie Thon, don't you guys?!
And can we re-name HOF Brown AAA Brown?
i could only imagine the posts from you innning by inning.
This place is hysterical during games. Half the reason i come here is to watch the meltdowns that happen after a bases loaded strikeout to end the 4th inning of a game against the pirates in mid may.
yeah it sure does make for some good reading at times.
Quote from: charlie on March 04, 2011, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: smeags on March 04, 2011, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
I miss the days of Von Hayes and Dickie Thon, don't you guys?!
And can we re-name HOF Brown AAA Brown?
i could only imagine the posts from you innning by inning.
This place is hysterical during games. Half the reason i come here is to watch the meltdowns that happen after a bases loaded strikeout to end the 4th inning of a game against the pirates in mid may.
Is this game in Pittsburgh? Because the Phillies suck hard in Pittsburgh.
I do agree though that this thread is absolute gold during the games. I find it most entertaining if you wait until the game is over and then read the entire thing.
thats what i do. too hard to keep up while its happening. just jay & todd are worth it.
jay - this team makes me wanna jump off a roof.
todd - well farging do it already so i dont have to hear your vag monologues anymone. yadda yadda yadda
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 04, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
Because the Phillies suck hard in Pittsburgh.
i hope not....im going to that shteinhole for the phils series in june and i wanna see a sweep
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2011, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 04, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
Because the Phillies suck hard in Pittsburgh.
i hope not....im going to that shteinhole for the phils series in june and i wanna see a sweep
Here's the last 5 years in Pittsburgh. Not pretty.
2010 1-3
2009 1-2
2008 2-1
2007 1-2
2006 1-2
2005 2-2
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Total 8-12
They just don't play well out there for whatever reason. Same goes for San Fran. Phils have been bad out there the last 3 or 4 years as well.
Scared of water?
may be a good thing CBP didnt go in the navy yard if thats the case.
shoulda gone in chinatown
too bad
Shut up, jew
when GRIT is determined to be out for the year dont fear......willie valdez with three hits today
did brown play ?
no
How would you know if he did?
his name would be in the lineup
AAA Brown broke his hand in his first AB. Surgery likely and out for 3-6 weeks.
Ben Fransisco just soared up my fb draft board!
Good, I'm sick of hearing about him.
There was an interesting article on ESPN.com today about how the league has figured out the Philies' lineup. I read it.
why do you think they tried to get the best pitching staff of all time?
oh and by the way even grit said today his knee is not in good shape
SEASON OVER
LOL at Igy, planting the seeds of destruction before the season even starts. I'll put 50$ on the Phils winning the east by + 5 homey, if you're up for losing some more cash. come on, even rjs read an article about the entire league figuring out the team, its a lock!
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 05, 2011, 07:12:11 PM
Good, I'm sick of hearing about him.
This.
Big Ben batting .421
Quote from: rjs246 on March 05, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
There was an interesting article on ESPN.com today about how the league has figured out the Philies' lineup. I read it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2011/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=6182253
QuoteOpponents have figured out Phillies
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- This used to be their team, their show, their stage. When you thought of the Phillies, you used to think of The Bats.
When the camera crews stopped by, it was to point those lenses at them. When the season-preview magazines hit the stands, it was with their faces plastered all over those covers.
But not in the spring of 2011. Nowadays, thanks to the assemblage of several starting pitchers you might have heard of, you'd never know the Phillies still have bat racks in their dugouts. You'd barely know, without checking the box scores, that Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins and the other men who once made up the National League's most feared lineup are still on the payroll.
That'll teach them not to win a single Cy Young, huh?
Yes, as Rollins himself laughed this week, this team's hitters are "definitely the B squad" now.
Well, it might be a beautiful thing, on paper, to collect No. 1 starters like some folks collect refrigerator magnets. But we're interrupting all this pitching talk to announce that, in truth, it might not be The Aces who determine whether this Phillies team lives up to the spring hype.
It might actually be about the bats that once made this team go, the position players who were responsible for changing this team's not-so-glorious culture. And for the first time since all the winning started, there are big questions about that area of this club.
And the biggest question of all is this:
Has the rest of the sport figured this team out?
Before we address that question, though, here's why the Phillies' offense suddenly has become a major issue:
• This team scored just 772 runs last season -- a 48-run drop from 2009 (820) and a gigantic drop from 2007 (892). Now, that doesn't make these guys the Mariners. They still, after all, finished second in the league in runs scored. Nevertheless, that's the fewest runs by any Phillies team since 2002. And the 34 times they were held to one run or none were their most since 1991.
• Despite playing in one of the most homer-friendly parks in baseball, the Phillies' home run total plummeted from 224 to 166 -- the fewest homers any Phillies team had hit since 2003, the final season of the late, not-so-great Veterans Stadium.
• The Phillies slugged just .413 as a team, down from .447 in 2009 and down 45 points from a peak of .458 in 2007. In fact, it was the lowest slugging percentage by any Phillies juggernaut since the 97-loss team of 2000.
• And when the postseason rolled around, the Phillies hit just .215 against the Giants and Reds, with a not-real-fearsome .311 slugging percentage and only four home runs in 289 at-bats.
And that was before this offense waved goodbye to Jayson Werth, the only right-handed presence in the middle of this lineup, not to mention a guy who finished in the top six in the league in OPS, slugging, extra-base hits, offensive WAR, runs created and offensive winning percentage.
So even the manager, Charlie Manuel, admits this group faces a major challenge if it's going to restore its reputation as an American League lineup hiding inside a National League roster.
"But that's also the beauty of the game," Manuel said. "It's up to us to show people how good we are, and it's up to us to live up to our expectations."
Now, it's not hard for the manager to find explanations for at least some of that drop-off. There were injuries in general. (Every starting position player except Werth and Raul Ibanez paid a visit to the disabled list.) There were prolonged health issues that cost the two most important energizers in particular, Rollins and Chase Utley, a combined 115 days of DL time. And there was that whole Year of the Pitcher thing.
But in reality, there was more. This wasn't just about injuries. And it wasn't just "a slump."
The real story is this: The league has caught on to the Phillies.
Other clubs have learned how to attack a team full of hitters who now have an established track record. And those 2010 numbers tell the tale of a Phillies lineup that often played right into those clubs' hands.
"We've adjusted," one rival NL scout said. "And now they have to adjust to our adjustments to them."
Here's what makes this little chess game especially fascinating: The people who run this Phillies team are well aware of how those other clubs have changed game plans.
"To be honest," one member of that brain trust said this spring, "we can't believe it took them this long."
And as far back as October, Manuel spoke openly about this very topic, saying: "One of the problems with our hitting is, you've got advance scouts and all the TV and Internet and things like that. And nowadays, they go to school on your hitters, and they pitch us backwards a lot."
What he means is that he manages a team that loves to hit the fastball, gears up for the fastball and works counts to force pitchers to throw more of those fastballs.
Except now his team isn't getting those fastballs -- even in "fastball counts." And we have the facts to prove it.
ESPN Stats & Information's Andrew Davis looked at the four main constants in the Phillies' order dating back to 2008 -- Rollins, Utley, Howard and Shane Victorino -- and analyzed the declining number of fastballs they're now getting in "fastball counts" (i.e., the first pitch of each at-bat and pitches on which they were ahead in the count). Here's what he found:
• Rollins: As recently as 2008, he was seeing fastballs on 82 percent of those pitches. But by 2009, that percentage had fallen to 73.1. And by last year, it was down to 68.1. That's a staggering difference of nearly 14 percent in just two years. If you project the impact had Rollins stayed healthy, it would have come to a decline of more than 200 fastballs a year -- in only those counts, remember -- just since 2008.
• Utley: Saw 74.5 percent fastballs in those spots in 2009 (actually up from 2008). But he took a significant dip last year, back to 70.8 percent. One scout's explanation is that in 2009, after hip surgery, Utley "wasn't catching up to the fastball." So he was fed more hard stuff as that season went on, then went back to a heavier off-speed diet last year.
• Victorino: Had the biggest decrease in the group last year in those fastball counts -- from 76.2 percent to 69.2. Had he been healthy enough to see the same playing time as 2009, that would have computed to a drop of more than 100 fastballs, just in those situations, from one season to the next.
• Howard: Hasn't gotten many fastballs to hit in any situation since his first year in the big leagues. But he's seeing less and less heat in what should be fastball counts, sliding from 53.9 percent in '08 to 52.7 percent in '09 to 52.6 last year. Nevertheless, Howard said of this trend: "It's not anything new to me."
As you size up these revealing figures, the approach to Utley and Howard shouldn't be shocking. Howard, in fact, says it makes perfect sense.
"They know this team hit a lot of home runs," Howard said. "And that's where that decrease in fastballs comes from -- because they say, 'If they're going to beat us, they've got to beat us with small ball.'"
So if that's what those teams want to do, "I'll probably have to steal 30 [bases]," Howard joked. "Do a couple of hit-and-runs here and there. Might have to squeeze. If I have to lead off, I'll lead off. And Jimmy can bat fourth."
But that, obviously, isn't quite what the manager has in mind. And while Manuel thinks it's important that Howard be "more patient" and get "better pitches to hit," it isn't his power hitters he's concerned about. It's his "little guys" -- Rollins and Victorino.
"I think those guys saw a lot of breaking balls and changeups instead of fastballs," Manuel said. "And they're fastball hitters. And they chase those three-balls-and-one-strike changeups or two-strike breaking balls that are out of the strike zone. And I think that hurt."
On one hand, the manager said repeatedly that he likes and believes in his hitters. On the other, he also said, flatly: "We have to make the adjustment. Have to." He wants to see more patience. He wants to see better situational hitting. And he says he's been telling his hitters all spring: "It's up to you to study and learn."
Rollins said he hasn't been personally singled out for that lesson plan yet, "but eventually, I know it'll be my turn." And when that turn arrives, Manuel will find his shortstop in nearly full agreement.
What happened to this offense last year "definitely wasn't a slump," Rollins said. "It can definitely be attributed to the league making adjustments and us not making all the necessary adjustments."
Rollins is adamant that the Phillies "didn't have a bad offensive year," by any standards but their own. But he also concedes that had they hit the way they had in the past, "we could have gotten Roy [Halladay] 25 wins" and "gotten Cole [Hamels] 20." And he knows they have to play better situational baseball, because "we're not going to win if we don't."
Well, that's for darned sure. With Werth gone, with more spring health concerns revolving around Utley (knee tendinitis), with nearly this entire lineup in its 30s and with hot right-field prospect Domonic Brown looking overmatched this spring (0-for-16, with nine strikeouts), the Phillies have no choice but to manufacture more runs the hard way this year.
And the ticket to doing that, their manager says, is to "get more quality strikes to hit," do a better job of handling the off-speed deluge and "make them throw more fastballs."
But as realistic as Manuel is about the way this tide has shifted, he continues to emit the same positive aura he always has.
He's confident, he said, that with just a return to health alone, "we can find the numbers" they're losing with Werth gone. He believes Howard's "best years are ahead of him." And he expects Rollins, Victorino and Placido Polanco to "do what they usually do." So "I'm as excited as hell about our year," the manager said.
Well, he's not the only one.
If people want to assume this lineup is slip-sliding, "that's fine," Howard said. "Go to sleep on our offense if you want.
"You know," he went on, "after what happened last year with all the injuries and what not, somehow we still won 97 games. I think people tend to forget that. And I think that's just another characteristic of this team. You just try to take something from each year and learn from it. Since I've been here, we've never had that many injuries to that many starting players in a year. And we won like 88, 90 games, something like that. Last year, we had just about everybody out, or hurt, at some point. And we ended up winning 97 games."
Of course, that had something to do with that super-rotation they were running out there by the end of the season. And this year, now that Cliff Lee has rejoined the band, that rotation figures to be even more star-studded. Theoretically.
But those pitchers can't do it alone, either, unless they have about 120 shutouts in them. What it takes to win isn't pitching, Rollins said, forcefully. What it takes is "a whole team."
So despite what all those magazine covers might suggest, the onus isn't on The Rotation to lift the 2011 Phillies to the heights they've been built for. It's on a lineup that needs to wedge itself back into this conversation.
"If we play to our talent [level], we're going to have a lot of fun," the manager said. "But we've gotta hit.
"And you know what?" Charlie Manuel predicted. "We're gonna hit."
very real opening day lineup
rollins
victorino
polanco
howard
ibanez
francisco
ruiz
valdez
holy funholehole thats bad
Quote from: phillymic2000 on March 06, 2011, 12:24:58 AM
LOL at Igy, planting the seeds of destruction before the season even starts. I'll put 50$ on the Phils winning the east by + 5 homey, if you're up for losing some more cash. come on, even rjs read an article about the entire league figuring out the team, its a lock!
yo homer
how about 50 they dont even make the world series?
or ill take the braves +7 games which is what they finished behind the phillies last year...since the phillies this year are much improved and have the greatest team of all time i think thats fair
That's quite a leap of faith you're taking there.
just tryin to cake off the greatest team ever assembled people
im finding out tho that they arent what they seem
today's game w/ Lee is on 17 if you haven't bailed from the Flyers yet. After 3 innings he had 18 strikes and 1 ball. Choke has been OK too
Matt Rizzotto just hit a homerun
That lineup isn't awful, MDS.
They will hit enough to win.
if thats the lineup and it obviously isnt certain that it will be polanco in the three hole is lol bad and everything after choke is brutal
this is what happens when you replace your best hitter with ben francisco...werth solidified the lineup so much by being that anchor behind choke and being a great bridge to the bottom of the order
So are you saying they should have re-signed him at such an astronomical price?
That line-up will hit enough to win - IF Jimmy, Vic and Choke have their type of years. The rest of them will do enough.
absolutely shouldnt have resigned him....but that doesnt change the fact that it really hurts their lineup
Well then we hope that Benny Frank can do the job and they find a legit platoon partner to plug in out there.
Maybe Mayberry can be a contributor.
mayberry is a 28 year old not even good AAA player...i wouldnt count on him to contribute at the major league level
HOMER J!!!!!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2011, 06:28:55 PM
Coste is a 33 year old not even good AAA player...i wouldnt count on him to contribute at the major league level
Before John Clark stalked AAA Brown at the airport, he did an interview with Dykstra. He's seriously at a Gary Busey level of mess. Said he was homeless "for 2 years like that guy...uh....Gandhi" but now he's back in his $10M home and everyone's gonna come crawling back to suck his dick, he never ripped off any legitimate businessmen, says he can't be killed, says he hasn't talked to Mitch Williams since the middle of '93 for all the stress he put people through before blowing the World Series and going back on TV like everyone likes him again ("You wouldn't see Bill Butler going back to Boston and going on TV after blowing the World Series, would ya?")
Lenny Sheen!
QuoteStill, the first spiked shoe to drop is pretty straightforward. If Utley opens the season on the disabled list, and barring a trade, Valdez will start in his place. He started in centerfield here yesterday, and, with the help of two infield singles, went 3-for-3 against the Tigers and raised his spring average to .533. He also was thrown out twice on the bases. It will be just like when he filled in at shortstop while Jimmy Rollins was injured last year.
http://www.the700level.com/2011/03/videos-lenny-dykstra-on-winning-charlie-sheen-and-anything-else-hed-like-to-say.html
:-D God help us.
I honestly think that Dykstra saw the attention that Sheen is getting from saying stupid shtein and is trying to get his own piece of that pie. He said "winning" too many times for me to think he's not trying to copy Sheen.
That said, he had a few original gems in there, so good luck to him trying to cash in on a reality show.
Oswalt's line today:
IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Oswalt(L, 0-1) 2.2 4 5 3 0 3 2 7.71
Beast Valdez 1 home run. Now batting .529
Worley looked like shtein today.
ALL IS LOST
To worried about The Heat right now to be concerned about Oswalt, Utley, Brown, etc.
lol oswalt
its already starting with you you bitch
Shut up, Todd.
who the farg looks at spring training stats...they mean dick
could anything be more useless? next thing people are gonna be crying because danys beaz got lit up 2 weeks ago in a B game.
Well, Danys Baez farging sucks...so whats your point?
hes the last man out of the pen what he does is irrelevant
we have so little to complain about phillies wise that minutia like mop up mexican gets discussed. whats next, is brian schnieder not good enough to play once a week?
You all need your farging heads examined.
you need to stick a lacrosse stick up your Hoyda icehole you wanna be elitist white trash dork
some fag boston douche consistently trying to get a rise out of people who like baseball while he would gladly bang connor and kyle and whatever piece of shtein upper class maryland prep school white boy who flings his faggy lacrosse stick in his general direction
you hack four eyed farg farg you
Two posts? Get ahold of yourself, Susan.
But speaking of which I played an actual full contact lacrosse game this weekend for the first time in like seven years. I'm sore as shtein and it's ridiculous to see a grown man with bruises all over his arms, but you'll be happy to know that I've still got it.
youve got terrible taste in everything except for football and in person conversational skills
None of which disproves the fact that baseball is boring and its participants are not athletes.
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Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2011, 09:38:05 PM
None of which disproves the fact that baseball is boring and its participants are not athletes.
im like 20 years younger than you and 3 years ago i realized me going into the flyers talk and saying how terrible hockey was was a giant waste of time
just a heads up that i, an ass and an idiot, figured that out and stopped that schtick yet here we are its 2011 and you still feel the need to express to everyone that you dont like baseball
great no one gives a flying farg
easy there tiger.
I laughed out loud several times reading this page.
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2011, 09:31:06 PM
some fag boston douche consistently trying to get a rise out of people who like baseball while he would gladly bang connor and kyle and whatever piece of shtein upper class maryland prep school white boy who flings his faggy lacrosse stick in his general direction
you hack four eyed farg farg you
Todd's half in the bag.
Cheap tequila!
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2011, 09:43:49 PM
im like 20 years younger than you and 3 years ago i realized me going into the flyers talk and saying how terrible hockey was was a giant waste of time
just a heads up that i, an ass and an idiot, figured that out and stopped that schtick yet here we are its 2011 and you still feel the need to express to everyone that you dont like baseball
3 years ago or the 3rd post in last season's Flyers thread......same thing, right?
Quote from: MDS on October 02, 2009, 12:17:31 PM
yay the nhl!
that was genuine, i was really excited for ice-related athletic activity
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2011, 09:01:44 PM
lol oswalt
its already starting with you you bitch
It was meant as a joke. I could give a shtein about spring training stats - especially pitchers. I am happy to see Francisco and Valdez hitting the ball as that's who were going to have opening day. No ones bitching, no ones crying. Have another cocktail, chill out.
todd's funny when he breaks out the mad dog.
i love how he says theres literally nothing to worry about with the phillies
when in fact the only thing to not worry about is the starting pitching...and the eigth inning
yes that one non worry is sooper dooper but anyone that thinks they are just gonna rolll thru the regular season much less win the world series is way off base
doom and gloom
then lets bet your queef
how many games do you think they are going to win
how many games do you think they are going to win the division by
how far in the playoffs are they going
92
4
Lose WS in 6
98
6
WFC mothafarger.
madson is a huge question mark in the eighth inning
he sucks
so 79 wins i suppose
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2011, 11:38:42 AM
how many games do you think they are going to win
how many games do you think they are going to win the division by
how far in the playoffs are they going
130
27
World Series Champs (going 11-1 in the playoffs)
actually maybe its just the lil guy who is delusional because the other predictions (winning the division by 4 and 6 games respectively) are very realistic
tho romey i will bet you any amount of money you want that they wont win the world series
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
madson is a huge question mark in the eighth inning
he sucks
so 79 wins i suppose
i just said that the eighth inning is one of the areas of no worry...you are really losing it over this team...ive never seen anyone more hysterically homerish over a season than you are with the phils this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2011, 11:57:10 AM
tho romey i will bet you any amount of money you want that they wont win the world series
You better give him at least 2 to 1 on his money.
Pretty sure he knows I don't bet on my teams. He's just being phunny.
ill def give 2/1 to anyone that wants it
ill also take 4/1 they miss the playoffs completely if anyone is in
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2011, 11:57:10 AM
actually maybe its just the lil guy who is delusional because the other predictions (winning the division by 4 and 6 games respectively) are very realistic
tho romey i will bet you any amount of money you want that they wont win the world series
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
madson is a huge question mark in the eighth inning
he sucks
so 79 wins i suppose
i just said that the eighth inning is one of the areas of no worry...you are really losing it over this team...ive never seen anyone more hysterically homerish over a season than you are with the phils this year
2 seconds after verbally jerking off doug collins you say this
again, loser, im not a homer. im just confident they are gonna make the playoffs. thats all. im not planning a parade route yet. i dont even think theyre better than boston.
i just know they arent getting beat by small time teams like florida or atlanta.
gimme atl +9 games for the division
you have to think this juggernaut is gonna beat small time atl by double digits no?
Have you thought of going to another board with this - say BackSheGoes?
They would love you there. No, really.
i dont go to other boards...i also am not gonna make a bet with a stranger on the internet
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2011, 03:40:01 PM
gimme atl +9 games for the division
you have to think this juggernaut is gonna beat small time atl by double digits no?
lol 9 games
it might be 1 it might be 15 i dont know
i just know they arent losing to farging jair jurjjens and martin prado
i went 3 last year ill go 4.5 this year thats it thats the list
wow i figured as much
i from here on out lump you in with all the female teenage phillie fans in collingswood
good to know, eskin wannabe
while i enjoy 6 months of you know...having fun watch sports, youll be getting your undies in a knot worrying about nothing
remember last year? yea that was a real struggle. you pulled the same act then as you are now.
Seriously... right... here...
http://www.backshegoes.com/bsg/index.php?c=1&sid=cf6c7770b5d64d5fa5dacaec036b361b
who are you talking to?
that place is awful...i got banned from there like 4 years ago
yeah it looks horrible
ive been a regular on two sports boards in my life....emb and cf....and id like to keep it that way if possible
its better than the emb but thats like saying cole is better than munson
annnnnnnnnnnnnd TIME. Only took a page and a half of bickering back and forth before I came up.
Havas and Orodenker in the mornings on WBBZ 103.7!
We need to make it happen. I would listen to this show.
That's where Beene hangs out. Seriously go there. Please.
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
that place is awful...i got banned from there like 4 years ago
What's their story? First thing I saw was the Chris Wheeler Glossary and the user names "Smitty" & "Dr. Smooth".
That can't be good.
yea its lonely middle aged man central over there.
combine that with rat pack sabermetrics and an endless supply of weirdo inside jokes and you get just a horrendous place to be.
Quote from: Don Ho on March 08, 2011, 06:04:28 PM
What's their story? First thing I saw was the Good Meal At A Restaurant thread and the user names "ice_grillin_you" & "FastFreddie".
That can't be good.
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2011, 06:09:06 PM
yea its lonely man central over there.
combine that with wannabe down The Wire groupies and an endless supply of weirdo inside jokes and you get just a horrendous place to be.
Exactly, like this place is anything to brag about.
CF will kick any other MBs ass.
And Todd can write a story about it.
im at my first baseball game of the year now
Pulitzer prize winning shtein coming up in 2 hours...eat your dick out shirly povich
isnt it cool how the phillies waited until a month before the season starts to begin investigating utleys knee...mri the other day "revealed" patella tendinitis and bone inflammation....why is anything being revealed in march....what were these stupid fargs doing all winter about this
There's really nothing they could have done besides cortisone injections and what's the use of giving him a cortisone injection in January?
he could have had surgery the day after the season ended
now in march they are still "exploring non surgerical options" to solve the problem
you know what the offseason is good for...surgeries to fix injuries
the more injury the more grit
its science
I love how baseball players in general are allowed to hide any injuries in the offseason and basically do whatever workout regimen they want. Baseball players in general are some of the dumbest people on the planet, shouldnt their offseason workouts be more team controlled?
QuoteUpdating previous reports, Philadelphia Phillies 2B Chase Utley (knee) will not have surgery on his knee right now, SI.com's Jon Heyman reports. The team said an MRI found no structural issues, but the cortisone shot didn't help him. They plan to seek other options. His knee injury is being classified as chondromalacia, inflammation and tendonitis.
So,
if he has surgery, are we talking 6 weeks, 3 months, 6 months recovery time? How intense a procedure is this?
i dont know but the surgery will be far less painful than having to watch the offense this season without utley or werth
think about how bad it was last year with them....then replace them with valdez and francisco plus a year older ibanez
And Ruben Amaro jumped Davey Lopes ass for talking about Grits knee last year. Remember his stupid farging smug comment?
F U Amaro for talking shtein and for not making him get his knee fixed.
by all indications he wasn't even hurting in the offseason, it started when he got the camp.
but OMG I HATE EVERYTHING. SO ANGRY!!
sarcasm orgasm.
And there's Sunny to clean up Amaro. :yay
Quote from: SunMo on March 09, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
by all indications he wasn't even hurting in the offseason, it started when he got the camp.
it hurt all last season when he played baseball
then he stopped playing baseball in the offseason and it didnt hurt
then he came to camp to play baseball and guess what happened...
you dont have to be trapper john to have figured that one out
I get the feeling Chase Utley was probably doing some sort of work out regiment that included plyometric running drills during the offseason...so either he was hiding an injury during the offseason while working out, or it was something that happened in camp.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2011, 08:42:16 PM
CF will kick any other MBs ass.
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"I've been working out. I'm huge."
which would you rather have this season...im not saying option B was even a possibility or that they should have kept werth but hypothetically which starting roster would you rather have for this season
A
rollins
victorino
francisco
choke
ibanez
polanco
chooch
valdez
halladay
lee
hamels
oswalt
blanton
B
rollins
victorino
utley
choke
werth
ibanez
polanco
chooch
halladay
hamels
oswalt
blanton
kendrick
Whichever one you'd prefer, I hate. And I'm ready to argue about it for no reason.
Just curious and maybe I missed something but why did you leave Utley out of option A but include him option B? Regardless I'll take an ace over a right fielder any day of the week. Bats in the playoffs have little to do with stats and regular season stuff and everything to do with timely hits and hitting in the clutch. It's why the Phils won it in '08 and why the Giants won it last season. Worrying about that stuff now is ridiculous.
I pick A
The reason is they have a replacement for Werth in house with Brown. If you would have stayed with option B you would have Werth long-term but he would be blocking Brown. I guess Brown could have been used to replace Ibanez next year, but he' a right fielder at this time and hasn't played any left other than a handful of games. After this year in option B, you would lose Oswalt and be left with just Halladay and Hamels as your studs, which is still better than most teams. But, in option A you have Brown in right, the three studs for years to come and you can sign a left fielder.
Charlie is officially signed to a 2-year extension
That frees up Ryne Sandberg to be the 2B of the future.
Quote from: SD on March 10, 2011, 08:46:14 AM
Just curious and maybe I missed something but why did you leave Utley out of option A but include him option B? Regardless I'll take an ace over a right fielder any day of the week. Bats in the playoffs have little to do with stats and regular season stuff and everything to do with timely hits and hitting in the clutch. It's why the Phils won it in '08 and why the Giants won it last season. Worrying about that stuff now is ridiculous.
A = this years team assuming utely is out for all/most of the year or plays and is ineffective
B = basically last years team for a whole season this year
Quote from: SunMo on March 10, 2011, 08:50:42 AM
I pick A
The reason is they have a replacement for Werth in house with Brown. If you would have stayed with option B you would have Werth long-term but he would be blocking Brown. I guess Brown could have been used to replace Ibanez next year, but he' a right fielder at this time and hasn't played any left other than a handful of games. After this year in option B, you would lose Oswalt and be left with just Halladay and Hamels as your studs, which is still better than most teams. But, in option A you have Brown in right, the three studs for years to come and you can sign a left fielder.
i was more or less talking about just for this year....since they have to win the world series...which one gives them the better chance
i like B because in the playoffs you are going to run into good pitching everywhere...so what can seperate you is the lineup...and that garbage in A is scary bad...plus you dont need four pitchers in the postseason
altho that is assuming you think they are going to make the playoffs no matter what....if you dont then you might take A because lee vs kendrick over a full season is a huge difference that you might wanna use to give you a better chance at making the playoffs...and then once you get in your thinking is that anything can happen
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2011, 09:17:33 AM
in the playoffs you are going to run into good pitching everywhere...so what can seperate you is the lineup
Right, that's exactly how the Giants won it all last year. Their pitching was just about as good as the other teams', but the lineup... THAT was something amazing. Very hard to pitch to Aubrey Huff when you know Cody Ross and Juan Uribe are up next.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 10, 2011, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2011, 09:17:33 AM
in the playoffs you are going to run into good pitching everywhere...so what can seperate you is the lineup
Right, that's exactly how the Giants won it all last year. Their pitching was just about as good as the other teams', but the lineup... THAT was something amazing. Very hard to pitch to Aubrey Huff when you know Cody Ross and Juan Uribe are up next.
right and if the phillies lineup isnt complete garbage they win that series
the pitching was generally a wash...the giants out hit the phillies tho and thats why they won
On paper who has the better lineup the Phillies or the Giants?
Quote from: SD on March 10, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
On paper who has the better lineup the Phillies or the Giants?
if you go with lineup A above probably slight edge to the phils....but they had a better lineup last year than this and last year failed them
and god forbid you start comparing the phils lineup to other contenders in the majors
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2011, 07:36:44 AM
which would you rather have this season...im not saying option B was even a possibility or that they should have kept werth but hypothetically which starting roster would you rather have for this season
A
rollins
victorino
francisco
choke
ibanez
polanco
chooch
valdez
halladay
lee
hamels
oswalt
blanton
B
rollins
victorino
utley
choke
werth
ibanez
polanco
chooch
halladay
hamels
oswalt
blanton
kendrick
You've got Utley in one line up but not the other......as if not signing Lee and keeping Werth would have had an impact on Grit's knee.
Obviously with Utley hurting, you look at the lineup and wish they kept Werth because no they are down 2 bats instead of 1. Still, I"ll take the current group over last year's. You can never have enough good pitching. Not to mention the fact that the Phillies had about the deepest lineup 1-8 in the NL. We look at the loss of Werth and Utley and think that the lineup is just terrible when infact, it's probably on par with most other lineups in the league.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2011, 11:15:57 AM
You've got Utley in one line up but not the other......as if not signing Lee and keeping Werth would have had an impact on Grit's knee.
you are over thinking it...utley is in one lineup and not the other because he was in the lineup last year and may not be this year
its a completely hypothetical sports conversation piece that i brought up with some friends this weekend
it basically comes down to would you rather have utley werth and kendrick or lee valdez and francisco
That really all depends if Utley is healthy. If he's playing but battling injuries as he was last year and will be this year, Lee/Valdez/Francisco is the winner with ease. If Utley hits .300/25/95 and plays 145+ games, it's much closer.
Francisco will never be as good as Werth, but I expect him to be slightly better as a regular player than he was as a role player. So, I see it like this:
Lee gets you about 6-7 more wins this season than Kendrick would.
Francisco gets you about 3-4 wins fewer this season than Werth would.
The Utley/Valdez thing is a wash if Utley is a gimp and is huge if Utley is healthy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2011, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2011, 11:15:57 AM
You've got Utley in one line up but not the other......as if not signing Lee and keeping Werth would have had an impact on Grit's knee.
you are over thinking it...utley is in one lineup and not the other because he was in the lineup last year and may not be this year
its a completely hypothetical sports conversation piece that i brought up with some friends this weekend
it basically comes down to would you rather have utley werth and kendrick or lee valdez and francisco
Yeah, I missed where you explained that you're asking if we'd prefer last year's roster w/Oswalt for an entire year or this year's roster. I'd still probably go with the current group though. This is an absolutely epic pitching staff and you just don't turn away those type of arms. Like I said, even without Utley and Werth, the Phillies still have plenty of bats in their lineup. They are down to just one legit power guy, but they've still got speed and some good contact hitters in Vic, Polanco and Chooch. These guys are going to have to learn to play small ball and Cholly's going to have to emphasize that because they can't out slug everyone and try to win every game with one or 2 big innings. This is where letting Davey Lopes go is really going to hurt because now more than ever, they could really use his coaching at first to get the running game going.
Getting on base more often would be nice in the case of Rollins & Victorino. That's more of a key than increasing the SB totals.
i think the scariest thing about werth being gone and utley possibly being out long term is that choke could have an incredibly bad year...he is now surrounded now by junk...and he isnt a guy thats going to go out and find pitches to hit...he needs fastballs and stuff close to the plate to succeed and without that other pop around him in the lineup he aint gonna get that
doc had an efficient day against the Yanks....6 shutout innings, about 60 pitches total (including one inning where he only threw 3 pitches)
Todays game against the Yankees will be on MLB Network at 7 EST (delayed of course).
I hope Doc pitches well. I'm predicting 6 innings of shutout ball on about 60 pitches including a 3 pitch inning.
great angelo interview with roob
brought up the davey lopes incident that j referenced the other day...roob basically said yes davey was right...and grit had the same thing then as now pateller tendinitis....the difference being that in the past it has gone away after a while and now it isnt
then he asked if davys comments at all lead to him leaving...roob said emphatically no...that he left to be closer to home...he did mention contract and money in passing
in general he said they are "very concerned" with grits knee...didnt come out and say it but sounds like to me hes gonna have surgery
werth and utley being gone is a "great concern"....hopefully pitching and defense will carry them
halladay was there at 445 this morning when the morning show crew was setting up...he was running the stadium steps
they are not trying to change HOF browns swing...they actually want him to go back to how he was swinging in AA and AAA last year...when he got to the majors his hands came up
says they probably shoudlnt have kept HOF brown up lasy year but felt like they had to because dobbs was so bad
defratus was sent down this morning
said theres some south philly guys who would beat angelo down for drinking smirnoff ice and that he basically would like to bang angelos wife
no doubt the offense is going to take a step back. still i am pumped to watch these four guys pitch every game and then get hrough blanton's starts as well. i appreciate great pitching and the potential here is off the charts. the team has to play sound defense and you just hope the offense can score enough for these guys.
didn't think i could be anymore excited for the season but after hearing about halladay being there at 4:45am today it gets me even more ready.
edit - just put in for these games for my companies block of tix. april 2, 5, 15, 29 - may 7, 21. should get 1/2 of those. waiting for june & july dates to come out.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6209489
Somewhere in Houston Jay is pounding his fists bloody over this.
:-D
I don't see why. Rube is smug as shtein, but there's no denying that he's made some great moves since taking over.
Jay react badly over his most hated sports figure being re-upped for four more years?
No way.
I get not liking the guy but I really don't get why he would be #1 on anyones hate list when he's only been on the job a couple of years and hasn't made any moves that you can totally hate on. Even the Lee trade last year basically resulted in Doc and Oswalt. No way would the Eagles pull off a deal like Oswalt, instead they'd sell us the same old same old and try and convince us that they made the right move.
Exactly, the birds have made one bold move in the past 15+ years and Amaro's given us Lee, Halladay, Oswalt, and Lee again in 3 years. Works for me.
You guys realize I'm kidding right?
Jay's emotions are something we don't kid about. Dude's on the edge every day as it is.....last thing he needs is one of us trying to nudge him off.
good thing he has donovan to ground him
If Havas could hit 'em all out of the park like that one, there'd be a spot in the Phillies lineup for him.
im the buddy biancalana of this shtein
can you pick a more modern reference next time
or are you going to respond with some kind of anecdote of how "awesome" it was when jj danagault scored some goal in 1983
it was the best middle american kansas city reference i could come up with for sarge
sorry if my youth wasnt defined by clarence witherspoon and mike mamula
you should be, it was terrible
big bad billy hall after nicole brushed him back today
Quote
He's definitely a marked man for me now, so when I do some damage off him, I'm going to let him know I did some damage off him. I can guarantee that.
"I don't know if he was mad because he gave up a homer (to Carlos Lee in the previous at-bat) or if he was mad because the umpire gave me time. But I'm not going to let him speed-pitch me. Obviously, he threw a pitch in, and I'm not going to let him disrespect me either. He kind of said something that I didn't like too much. It's over with.
I don't feel like I do a lot of things to have pitchers mad at me for doing things on the field. I feel like I play the game the right way. But if you disrespect me, I'm going to do my best to disrespect you back. Obviously not in a way to disrespect the game, but obviously I'm going to let him know when I face him."
nice to see cole is working on that inside pitch.
Why do athletes feel the need to open their stupid mouths?
Quote
"He's definitely a marked man for me now, so when I do some damage off him, I'm going to let him know I did some damage off him. I can guarantee that."
"I don't know if he was mad because he gave up a homer (to Carlos Lee in the previous at-bat) or if he was mad because the umpire gave me time. But I'm not going to let him speed-pitch me. Obviously, he threw a pitch in, and I'm not going to let him disrespect me either. He kind of said something that I didn't like too much. It's over with.
I don't feel like I do a lot of things to have pitchers mad at me for doing things on the field. I feel like I play the game the right way. But if you disrespect me, I'm going to do my best to disrespect you back. Obviously not in a way to disrespect the game, but obviously I'm going to let him know when I face him."
i like those two comments...which is it bill?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110315_Paul_Hagen_.html
Now Lidge has tendinitis of the bicep.
For a team that went relatively injury free from 07-09, 2010 and 2011 are most definitely making up for it.
season's over.
Time to move on.
i fully expected lidge to suck anyway and madson to be the closer by the all star break...where this hurts them is who pitches the 8th now?
probably contreras
if lidge misses 2 months so what. he somehow got healthy by sept last year so lets hope he can do it again
Polanco just hurt himself during a swing. Awesome
and now you know why they signed cliff lee
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 15, 2011, 01:30:22 PM
Polanco just hurt himself during a swing. Awesome
Was taken out for precautionary reasons. Hyperextended it, but they said he's fine.
They said Grit was going to be fine too.
DOOM AND GLOOM!!
settle down IGY
I'll take Atlanta +5 for $400, Alex.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 15, 2011, 02:23:56 PM
They said Grit was going to be fine too.
as long as he can play the field sitting in a lawn chair hes fine
And the answer is?
"A long structure where all doom and gloom is quickly forgotten when one hurls himself off of the top."
What is my wang?
Stage name "nuclear fuel rod".
So how many saves will Madson blow as a closer if Lidge can't go?
I'd rather see Contreras close and keep Madson in the 8th.
I'll go for that. Let Lidge get healthy. shtein if it takes until June, sit um'. Let the old man close. The thought of Madson as the closer already has me scared. Scared of the vile, horrific, disgusting posts we'll all be a part of come March 31.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 15, 2011, 09:02:01 PM
I'd rather see Contreras close and keep Madson in the 8th.
i like that as well, for starters anyway. see what he does in that role.
I would prefer Madson in the closer role. I think he has the right pitches and mentality. It will be a miracle if Contreras is able to pitch as well as last year.
the right mentality?
whenever lidge is hurt, madson shteins his pants everytime he has to close
yeah haven't we tried the madson experiment enough ?
you can bitch all you want but madson will close if lidge cant go
strap in
Quote from: SunMo on March 16, 2011, 12:03:48 PM
the right mentality?
whenever lidge is hurt, madson shteins his pants everytime he has to close
After he recovered in July 1.64 ERA and 0.89 WHIP. 5 blown saves. VORP.
Trying to catch up here...
Utley - DONE
Polanco - DONE
Lidge - DONE
Am I missing anyone?
ibanez
Is he injured, or just old and awful?
old awful and cleansed of all steriods
he doesnt sound too confident about it but conlin has the phils winning it all in his annual prediciton column
Quote
With Opening Day just 2 weeks away, it will take a Lourdes miracle for Utley to be ready. Look for a DL assignment any day. Meanwhile, it is hard to visualize him having anything resembling a meaningful season without a clean-up of the inflamed cartilage. The rest of the story is that aside from the patella problem, Utley's knee is arthritic.
From the pending disaster in the middle of the batting order, we limp to the back end of the bullpen, where closer Brad Lidge appears to be nearing the end of the line. He has lost 10 mph off the fastball that once made him one of the all-time power relievers. An 86-to-88 fastball in the ninth inning is fuel waiting to be thrown on a fire. Bicep tendinitis? A polite term for sore shoulder.
Ryan Madson has the best stuff on the staff. But does he have the Right Stuff it takes to close? And can weathered powerhouse Jose Contreras perform the end-game role if Manuel and pitching coach Rich Dubee decide Madson is too valuable to move out of the eighth inning?
Despite the glitches and question marks, this remains a powerful team. The fistful of aces is going to take the Phillies deep into most games.
Rollins is in a contract year. Raul Ibanez, Ben Francisco and a rededicated John Mayberry have been killing the baseball. Carlos Ruiz looks more and more like a catcher whose bat has caught up to his defense. There are still health-related roster decisions to be made. Josh Barfield and Delwyn Young have versatility and pop. Ross Gload is solid.
The clock is ticking on this ballclub, however. There is no expiration date stamped on teams to warn of their impending demise.
Hey, somebody had to eat the first oyster.
Even a century seems like a reach. But that's where I'm reaching. An even hundred wins, a fifth straight East title and, what the hell, World Series rings, as well.
Where are you Havas you icehole?
watching the tournament
So the Phillies were bragging about the attendance at the game yesterday (10,800-plus) and it occurred to me that they really are quickly closing in on the Yankees in terms of smugness & cash register-itis. That place was absolutely ridiculous. It was so crowded it ruined the entire experience. I've been going to spring training games here since the 1980's and yesterday was the worst ever.
They had at least 3,000 too many people there and although I understand it's a business and they're in it to make money, how much is enough when the fans who actually show up end up leaving early (which I did and I noticed quite a few others doing too).
Whatever, though. They do the same shtein at The Bank too, so it's not like this is something new.
yup just like the bank...ashburn alley is a train wreck
I blame the underfunded local governments for not issuing fire code violations.
Franzke signed an extension through 2016
thats great news
Lidge threw a BP session and had zero discomfort today.
was he still throwing as hard as Jamie Moyer? because i experience discomfort about that
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 18, 2011, 11:37:38 AM
Franzke signed an extension through 2016
if he didnt have "must do tv work" written into his contract he should be shot
Don't worry, when Chris Wheeler dies in 2027, Franzke will get his shot at the big time.
wheeler really should have nothing to do with franzke...franzke could replace mcarthy today and it wouldnt effect wheels in the least
braodcast would still be awful but exponentially better
franzke has said many times in the past that he loves working on radio with LA. feels they can get away with more on radio.
thats company speak
you dont go into tv/radio unless you want attention and to be noticed.
franzke & l.a. are great together. i enjoy listening to them at work when the phils have day games although i just found out that we're not going to be able to listen to streams on the net anymore.
why? who knows. evidently if you're happy at work it upsets the taxpayers and we can't have that.
i'm sure they don't want LA on tv because he's too critical of the phillies.
they'd rather have Wheels saying that everything is the opponent making a great play and sarge mumbling something no one understands
Critical of the bums? Why that no good son of a bitch. We won't tolerate that kind of behavior here.
Quote from: SunMo on March 18, 2011, 03:01:11 PM
and sarge mumbling something no one understands
:-D oh shtein that's good.
Probably the main reason they keep McCarthy around. Only one on the staff who speaks Caveman and understands Sarge.
Castillo? Discuss.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110318&content_id=17006788&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi# (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110318&content_id=17006788&vkey=news_phi&c_id=phi#)
hes wilson valdez, but fatter
I would rather have igy play 2B than Castillo.
it would be funny just as a pure spite move to the mets...but the mets are really bad and castillo sucks ass
I'd rather go with Valdez but would sign him anyway so he can get a gw pinch hit in the 9th against the Muts.
Can Todd play 2B? He'd almost have to be better than Castillo.
i'd sign him just for the possibility that he turns into ryne sandberg and the mets eat shtein again
Phils are live on MLB Network for any outta towners right now.
I'd say at least 50% of the fans at the game are Phillies fans. In other words, just like when they play in Baltimore or Washington.
Mayberry Jr, put it on the board...championship!
No on Castillo, but thanks.
Heheheh....Hey PG....heheheheh, your new avatar rocks. It's like, cool and stuff. Heheheh
Huhhuhu....shut up, Sarge....huhuhuh
Hey PG..huhuh...I noticed you have braces. I have braces too. huhhuhuhuhuh...huhuh...huhuhuh
Is there a legit shot they go after Castillo?
I read a tweet from the Phillies how Barfield is ignoring the Castillo talk.
What does Luis Castillo offer them? He's a goddamn bum.
The Phils should put *Juan* Castillo at second base. To the untrained eye, he might seem unqualified, but the doubters will be surprised -- he played baseball in high school and memorized all of the terms that infielders need to know.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 19, 2011, 04:33:24 PM
Is there a legit shot they go after Castillo?
I read a tweet from the Phillies how Barfield is ignoring the Castillo talk.
What does Luis Castillo offer them? He's a goddamn bum.
His presence would annoy you which would, in turn, provide countless hours of entertainment for us.
That is probably true.
The guy sucks.
Prickface will probably hook him up with a 2yr deal
With an additional 1-yr player option!
i wish ed wade was still here so we wouldn't have to put up with smug ruben and his championship caliber teams he puts together
J also wishes donovan mcnabb were still here so we wouldnt have to put up with brad goebel
I think SunMo would spoon with Rube. He's quick on the defense of any comment against him
I'd spoon with him and I don't even like brown people.
i defend him because your hatred of him is pathological and disturbing.
you hated on Hamels the same way. that worked out well for you
I like Hamels. But he had a propensity for giving up big innings and homeruns. Your definition of hatred is skewed. So because I vent against Hamels when he gives up dumb HRs I hate him. You sound like MDS.
And I haven't like Amaro in years because of his prickish attitude.
Are we not allowed to dislike guys? I mean - the dislike of McNabb/Banner here is pathological and disturbing.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2011, 02:20:17 PM
I like Hamels. But he had a propensity for giving up big innings and homeruns.
every single pitcher has this 'propensity'
And because I vent and talk suit in the game thread you get bent and think I hate a guy.
When I hate a guy I will let it be known. Amaro, Baez, Pinkston, Scott Young, etc.
If I was the understudy and right hand man of the guy who put the finishing touches on the Phillies WFC and if I assembled potentially the greatest starting pitching staff in over 100 years of baseball, I'd be a cocky prick too.
Seriously, given what the guy has done in like 2 years of running the team, is he not entitled to be an ass? What's Banner's excuse? Salary Cap Champion 8 years running?
Amaro > Banner
Closed.
sure, you're allowed to hate a guy, and i'm allowed to mock the ridiculousness of it
Quote from: SunMo on March 20, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
sure, you're allowed to hate a guy, and i'm allowed to mock the ridiculousness of it
America, FARG YEAH!
Quote from: Rome on March 20, 2011, 03:18:04 PM
Amaro > Banner
Closed.
the eagles have been more consistently successful than the steelers
you really are not educated on this subject.
Not to get too off topic, but I still don't understand Banner's logic on how they've been consistently more successful than the Steelers. From 2000 - 2010, here's how the 2 stack up.
Eagles: 113 - 62 - 1, 9 playoff appearances, 1 SB loss
Steelers: 115 - 60 - 1, 7 playoff appearances, 2 SB wins, 1 loss
Reg season records are a wash and playoff appearances are close enough too, but even with less postseason appearances, Pitt still has more to show for it. The Eagles may have more revenue at the gate because they had more home playoff games over that period of time, but that's it. Of course, the revenue is all that Banner Inc cares about and this probably illustrates it more than anything else he's ever said or done.
That's a big difference between the Phils and Eagles right now imo.....the Phils know they are printing money right now but even just 3 years later, they aren't pointing to the trophy and saying "Look how awesome we are" and they aren't using revenue as a measuring stick for success....at least not publicly in the manner that Banner does. Instead, they saw how 2010 ended and didn't like it. It's crazy but the Phil's ownership seems to be placing a high value on winning in the postseason while the Eagles only put a value on making it to the postseason. Say that in the spring of 2007 and tell me you wouldn't get punched in the face.
Coste is gonna do CSN pre/postgame 10 times a month while recovering from Tommy John surgery
Per ESPN, the Phils are signing Castillo.
What a goddamn waste
Terrible.
Is he really going to be that much better than Valdez? Not at all
This is the greatest news I've heard since The Wire was cancelled.
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JUPITER, Fla. -- Former New York Mets second baseman Luis Castillo is not wasting time finding a new employer.
On the day he officially was eligible to sign, Castillo quickly narrowed his focus and is poised to join the Philadelphia Phillies, according to a baseball source.
The Phillies' second base situation is unsettled because of All-Star Chase Utley's knee woes. The All-Star has not played in any of the Phillies' exhibition games this spring because of patella tendinitis in his right knee.
Castillo, 35, hit .235 with no homers and 17 RBIs last season in 247 at-bats.
The Mets began the process of releasing Castillo on Friday, despite owing him $6 million in the final season of a four-year, $25 million deal. Castillo's new employer will only be responsible for the major league minimum.
What's to lose? The minimum salary is like 415 grand, right? That's chicken feed.
If nothing else, it will be great entertainment when he hits .580 against the Mets this season.
I'm thinking this pretty much tells you what kind of shape Utley's knee is in.
Am I the only person who doesn't think this is a bad move? The guy is a veteran 2B who's close to a career .300 hitter. There is nothing else out there and Manuel obviously doesn't have confidence in Valdez to be the everyday second baseman. Yeah he sucked last season but what did he have to play for?
He's done.
Quote from: SD on March 20, 2011, 09:01:24 PM
Am I the only person who doesn't think this is a bad move? The guy is a veteran 2B who's close to a career .300 hitter. There is nothing else out there and Manuel obviously doesn't have confidence in Valdez to be the everyday second baseman. Yeah he sucked last season but what did he have to play for?
it's not a bad move. low risk/moderate reward.
Castillo sucks but this is a total farg you smug condescending move by rube
I love it
QuoteCheck this: In 2009, Castillo had 16 extra base hits in 580 PAs. Last time someone had that few XBH in that many PA? 1978
.235 with 6 XBH last year.
Done.
Like Jon Heyman said, Valdez/Martinez/Barfield are better options
QuoteWell, there you have it. Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly says Luis Castillo will sign a minor league contract. Better?
sure
hes not costing them anything and if he sucks he wont make the team
in the least hes now 60% of the way there in playing for every team in the nl east
Mets are in the process of releasing Oliver Perez.
Why don't they sign him too?
That's a great idea if you think the Phils need starting pitching.
It's more like if they need a left-handed minor league long reliever.
Kruk just ripping the Phils bats during the Red Sox game on ESPN. All over Rollins and Vic. Yet to hear a team attribute their great spring training to a championship.
watching this offense this season could be the single most maddening thing in the history of philly sports and thats no small accomplishment
Just dont bitch about it in the season thread, ok? Then you will be a hater.
It won't be nearly as maddening as watching Donovan slowly make his way through the end of the 4th quarter in the Super Bowl.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2011, 03:52:36 PM
Just dont bitch about it in the season thread, ok? Then you will be a hater.
bitch about their play on the field all you want. i'm sure that Victorino not hitting will be because Ruben is smug though
Quote from: SunMo on March 21, 2011, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2011, 03:52:36 PM
Just dont bitch about it in the season thread, ok? Then you will be a hater.
bitch about their play on the field all you want. i'm sure that Victorino not hitting will be because Ruben is smug though
Ha!
Quote from: SunMo on March 21, 2011, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2011, 03:52:36 PM
Just dont bitch about it in the season thread, ok? Then you will be a hater.
bitch about their play on the field all you want. i'm sure that Victorino not hitting will be because Ruben is smug though
No, but nice try.
Ruben is and always will be smug. He's got a patent on the smug shtein eating grin face.
But hey - lets not talk smug. Lets talk LUISSSSSSSSSSS CASTILLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO!
so don't talk smug, talk slug?
Very catchy.
That should be on a giveaway rally towel.
i wish they would give away a rally towel with ruben's face on it. that way i could wipe myself off after jerking off to it.
Per Chollie:
Quote"People talk about us playing 'little ball.' . . . We've always been able to play 'little ball.' Explain what 'little ball' really is. 'Little ball' is called 'execution' to me. A team that can manufacture runs. And we used to be very good at that."
Quote from: SunMo on March 21, 2011, 04:39:09 PM
i wish they would give away a rally towel with ruben's face on it. that way i could wipe myself off after jerking off to it.
April 14th - Ruben Amaro spunk towel day.
SunnyMo first in line
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 21, 2011, 04:12:38 PM
Ruben is and always will be smug. He's got a patent on the smug shtein eating grin face.
Why does that matter?
Because I dont like the guy. Why does it matter to you that it matters to me?
It doesn't.
Baldy and Harry Mays were on 97.5 debating on whether or not Roy Halladay is the best player in baseball
He's not. No one who plays 1 out of every 5 games can really be considered the best in the entire sport imo. You wanna argue that he's the best pitcher in the game, fine. But not best player.
no question.
Baldy's whole point was that he has residual effects on the other pitchers and the team....the other pitchers see what he's doing, so they want to go out there and not look like a zesty pitcher. Said Roy being here is part of what drew Oswalt here and that it probably helped Lee in choosing Philly over NY or Texas. Then said the batters don't feel like all the pressure is on them when he's pitching. His work ethic wearing off on guys like Hamels and Kendrick, etc
Idk...i thought they were interesting points, but it's impossible to measure that stuff.
Would you put him at #2 behind Albert?
baldy and mays are struggling for content with that debate IMO.
I think we all are at this point.
so close/so far from opening day, NFL is locked out, burnt out from all the March Madness talk...what else is there? The NBA and NHL are at the end of a long regular season.
It's the reason why we've got 2 pages worth of "who drives worse and where" talk in the general section.
That all makes sense but it still doesn't change the fact that no starting pitcher in the game is on the field for more than roughly 33 games a year. His locker room/workout/practice presence very well may inspire and motivate other players to step their game up so maybe that makes him the most influencial player or the best leader in the game but that still doesn't make him the best player. One thing that I can't overlook is a pitcher's batting. Ideally, you only want a pitcher in the box with runners on and less than 2 outs so he can sac bunt them over, but that's not always the case. Even the "best" hitting pitchers in the league still typically have a batting avg well below .250.
Example: It's the 8th inning of a tie game or maybe you're down by a run. Runner on 2nd, 2 out and Doc is due up. He's got a low pitch count and has been pitching well so you're not concerned about throwing him out there for another inning. But it's late in the game and you need that run. Do you send him to the plate or do you ph for him? You send the ph in there every time. So let me ask you this......in what world would you ever consider sending Wilson Valdez or Ben Francisco or whoever in to replace the best player in the game?
So that's what really hurts pitchers when talking about best player. AL pitchers aren't even in the conversation because they have zero impact on their team's offense.
And no, I wouldn't put him at #2 either. In fact, I don't think I could put a pitcher in the top 5, maybe even top 10 of the best player category. They simply don't play in enough games and every pitcher is an offensive liability if you aren't in a sac bunt situation.
That said, I agree with Baldy in the sense that Doc's presence has had a tremendous impact on this franchise but not in a way that results in him directly being more productive/impactful on the field.
yeah no doubt - i just fall into that group like sarge who can never compare a pitcher to an everyday player. have to admit though i'm sure how i feel about the hitters feeling no pressure cause hallady is pitching. does it help them relax or become complacent.
I'm gonna say he's the best only because Sassy will spend another half a page saying 'nuh uh'.
I think having lights out pitchers like Halladay and Lee are actually bad for this offense. They seem to go to sleep more often than not when these guys are on the mound. Remember in 2009 before Moyer got hurt how he led the team in wins even though I think he had the highest ERA of any of the Phils starting pitchers. He also had the highest run support of any of the Phils starters....by a lot. Who knows, maybe they've "matured" as an offense since then (ha!) or maybe now the absence of Werth and injury to Grit will force these guys to focus on a more fundamental offensive style of play to manufacture runs instead of looking for the long ball and xbh. All I know is that the bats seem to go into hiding when they've got a stud on the mound.
In fact, I don't do much betting but I'd be willing to throw a friendly 10 spot down that says the 5th spot in the rotation (Blanton/whoever should they trade him) has the highest run support per game at season's end.
if the 5th spot has the highest run support its because they are more often than not facing a pitcher that is deep in the opponents rotation not because of some psycho babble
the teams offense will suck this year because they are depleted with werth and GRIT gone they are ageing and by and large they are a bunch of brain dead half wits
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 22, 2011, 01:05:48 PM
That all makes sense but it still doesn't change the fact that no starting pitcher in the game is on the field for more than roughly 33 games a year.
I disagree, a starting pitcher can and should be compared with position players when trying to assign value.
Looking at games per year is wrong though. A pitcher like halladay faced upwards of 1000 at bats against last season, where even the best hitters who play every day come to the plate 650 times in a season. Add to the national league's pitchers at bats, a single starting pitcher has a considerable amount more impact on the season as a whole than any single batter.
You can easily minimize the impact of a hot batter by walking him, it's not so easy to minimize the impact of a hot pitcher.
That said the debate over Halladay being the best baseball player is a dumb one.
Quote from: charlie on March 22, 2011, 01:21:34 PM
You can easily minimize the impact of a hot batter by walking him, it's not so easy to minimize the impact of a hot pitcher.
hes already minimized by not playing for most of the year...thats why the phillies are such big news this season because they could potentially have a #1 pitcher on the mound four times a week instead of 1 or 2
in the nlcs cody ross was more valuable than roy hallday
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2011, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: charlie on March 22, 2011, 01:21:34 PM
You can easily minimize the impact of a hot batter by walking him, it's not so easy to minimize the impact of a hot pitcher.
hes already minimized by not playing for most of the year
in the nlcs cody ross was more valuable than roy hallday
Over the course of an entire season is all i am referring to.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 22, 2011, 01:20:53 PM
if the 5th spot has the highest run support its because they are more often than not facing a pitcher that is deep in the opponents rotation not because of some psycho babble
This is true for the first few weeks of the season, maybe the first month when everyone is healthy and no one is missing starts. But from May-Sep, how many times do you get 1 vs 1 type pitching match ups? As the season goes on you see a lot of 1 vs 4, 1 vs 5. Injuries and teams having different schedules/off days play a big factor in who faces who through out the year. Not to mention that you know this Phillies offense is capable of being shut down by anyone, especially some LHP that just got called up from the minors who they've never seen before, so it doesn't matter if Doc or Blanton is on the mound, they probably ain't scoring shtein that game anyway.
Quote
the teams offense will suck this year because they are depleted with werth and GRIT gone they are ageing and by and large they are a bunch of brain dead half wits
I don't think they'll suck, I just think they've be boringly average.....which is a major drop off from what we've seen the last 4 or 5 years.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2011/news/story?id=6246728
QuoteHis name was on the lineup card. His locker had his name over it. His uniform hung on a rack. But as Tuesday morning was about to turn into Tuesday afternoon, there was no sign of newly signed Luis Castillo in the Philadelphia Phillies' spring-training camp.
And while manager Charlie Manuel professed publicly that he was "not disappointed", Phillies officials clearly were confused, and at least mildly frustrated, by Castillo's absence.
Castillo agreed to a minor league contract with the Phillies on Monday morning, and had been expected to arrive in Clearwater by Monday night. The team made a hotel reservation for him and wasn't aware he was still home in South Florida until ESPNDeportes.com's Enrique Rojas reported that Castillo wasn't leaving for Clearwater until Tuesday morning.
A source told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney that Castillo was delayed by a personal matter. But Manuel said he wasn't told why Castillo was delayed.
"They told me he'd be here today, so I put him in the lineup," Manuel said. "The reason I put him in the lineup was, I wanted to see him play. Maybe I should wait to put up my lineup till game time."
Quote from: charlie on March 22, 2011, 01:21:34 PM
I disagree, a starting pitcher can and should be compared with position players when trying to assign value.
Value is a little different. I'm fine with a pitcher being named MVP. There's a difference between being most valuable player in the game and being the best player.
QuoteLooking at games per year is wrong though. A pitcher like halladay faced upwards of 1000 at bats against last season, where even the best hitters who play every day come to the plate 650 times in a season. Add to the national league's pitchers at bats, a single starting pitcher has a considerable amount more impact on the season as a whole than any single batter.
You can easily minimize the impact of a hot batter by walking him, it's not so easy to minimize the impact of a hot pitcher.
This is a great way to look at it (had not considered it) and from this perspective, it definitely shows how a pitcher is/can be more impactful than what I was giving them credit for, but a pitcher who throws 200 innings in a season is still off the field for roughly 1400 innings of that same year. So while I get what you're saying in the sense that during their time on the field they have a tremendous impact on the game, in fact I do feel that the pitcher is the most important player on the field for any given game....it's still less than 20% of the year that he's on the field making that impact.
Quote
That said the debate over Halladay being the best baseball player is a dumb one.
Agreed. Most valuable, most impactful, whatever. Just not best. Hell, sometimes players get into pitching because in high school and/or college they aren't the best in the field or at the plate.
Quote from: Rome on March 22, 2011, 01:13:07 PM
I'm gonna say he's the best only because Sassy will spend another half a page saying 'nuh uh'.
8)
Oswalt took a liner off the head
He got up and walked off. No other updates yet.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/03/oswalt-hit-in-head-with-line-drive-leaves-game.html#more
Here's the video. Looks like it hit him more on the top of his back, maybe his neckspine but didn't appear to be serious.
according to twitter he's on life support
link?
He just died.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 23, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
He just died.
LINK (http://www.omghedeadomg.com/oswalt/twitter/fatandsaltyisnowaytogothrulife/imtalkingtoyousunmo/index.html)
I think this is what you were looking for, linkmeister:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOGp915sN3Q
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 23, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
He just died.
Ah, man. And he was such a nice guy.
Dude wasn't even hurt. He went down, then lifted his head up like he was looking to make sure someone was coming to take him out of the game lol
He just was done with pitching for the day. Getting beamed gave him the opportunity to get out.
remember that lady who tried to whore herself out for phillies tickets a couple years ago?
BOOM
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Wow, she's remarkably average!
In more interesting news, could Roy Oswalt be any more of a badass?
And in less surprising news, GRIT will start the year on the GRIT list.
Too many injuries, too many issues... Who wants to bet me that the Phillies will win more than 97.5 games? I would like the under.
Lidge to start the season on the DL
in other news, my annual phillies thread will be up next thursday. sunmo thread = playoffs and championship
should be a happy thread to check out during the year.
Official 2011 Phillies-Induced Psychotic Meltdown Thread Not Worthy of a New Thread Thread.
if someone gives me fair odds ill bet almost any amount of money they dont make the playoffs....and im not being doom and gloom i truly belive they wont....they are so set up for massive failure...wouldnt even suprise me if they finish third in the division...btw watch out for the nats if they get any pitching at all
you are such a fraud of a human being its not even funny
25 to todd phillies make playoffs
26 to havas phillies miss playoffs
stop being such a Hoyda
Yeah I like how "i truly believe they won't make the playoffs" means "give me good odds!"
Lidge being out sucks.
I hope Madson has the guts to do it. I read on Philly.com that Madson said his attitude changed last summer during a conversation with $cott Bora$. Ha!
Hopefully. He's got the shtein to be an awesome closer but the softness of McNabb.
I hope he dominates and they don't even need lidge to come back.
Quote from: MDS on March 25, 2011, 12:40:49 PM
25 to todd phillies make playoffs
26 to havas phillies miss playoffs
you are more of a disgrace than jenny from haddonfield....way to love your team
You need to grow what men call a penis
You think they gonna suck put up or shut up. I don't deal with small timers such as yourself
Philly Mag article on His Highness, Ruben Amaro Junior;
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/ruben_amaro_jr_arms_dealer/page1
QuoteAmaro had assembled the smallest possible circle of advisors for pursuing Lee. Gillick, Proefrock and Phillies president David Montgomery. That was it. No one else, not even manager Charlie Manuel, could know what was brewing. Though there was one other person he told. On the last weekend of negotiations, Amaro called Roy Halladay and asked what he thought of the team pursuing Lee, knowing they'd have to give him more money and years than they'd given Halladay.
"Ruben, I just want to win," the pitcher told Amaro. "I don't care what you give the guy."
So much for needing to massage the ego of Halladay, who was merely the National League's best pitcher last year.
And then, shortly after rejecting the Phillies' initial offer, Braunecker called Proefrock. Lee was still willing to consider, he said.
This was Amaro's element.
"Ruben and Scott were sitting there like they were in a NASCAR race," recalls Gillick. "Just sitting in third place, idling, letting New York and Texas blow their wads and do what they had to do."
Amaro also knew not to overplay the cunning and intrigue of the deal. "Sometimes GMs think it's such a poker game that they try too hard to create illusions," says Oakland A's general manager Billy Beane. "With Ruben, he's not going to play games with you. That's why people like dealing with him."
To that end, Amaro had been frank with Lee and his agent from the beginning. He'd told them, "Look, you guys are the ones who are going to have to make this happen. Not me. You guys are the ones who will have to bite the bullet, because we're probably not going to be able to match the money or contract years of the other guys."
QuoteIT'S IRONIC, PERHAPS, that the first bit of feedback Amaro received after the good news broke was not one of praise, but derision. It came in the form of a text from the recently expatriated Jayson Werth. All it said was this:
"BOOOOOOOO!"
"That reaction from Jayson was funny," says Amaro in his office in February, again flashing that smile. "He was pissed off. He had just signed with Washington. He said to me, 'You dumbass. You could've had both of us.' And I said, 'You're the dumbass. You could have taken our arbitration offer.'"
lol
HA! :-D
I want to say farg you Werth but I know I'll really be missing him come June 1. Enough time to know what the bums got in RF.
Quote from: Don Ho on March 26, 2011, 03:38:23 AM
HA! :-D
I want to say farg you Werth but I know I'll really be missing him come June 1. Enough time to know what the bums got in RF.
June 1st is right around the time Werth usually goes into a 12 for 80 funk with 46ks.
The Phils are on MLB Network right now against the Roy Jays.
After reading that article, I'm officially taking a stance opposite Phreak. Farg it. Rube is farging awesome. Phreak hating on Amaro for his smugness is akin to IGY hating on Mcnabb for being corny.
wheeler and mccarthy
kill me now
I don't see any reason for Luis Castillo to be on this team. He's barely adequate hitting the ball, his speed is gone and he's a wreck in the field.
Also - going to Orlando tomorrow to see the gawd Roy pitch.
Boners.
Has Castillo even got a hit yet?
I think he has two, but has been walking a lot.
I caught some of todays game, Castillo had a nice looking hit, took some pitches for a walk (Wheels said it was his 3rd in two games), scored a run, and missed a routine grounder to second. It's hard to get a gauge on him, he looks like he can still work a count and get the occasional hit but his range in the field is bad and he looks slow as shtein.
simple answer is that
whatever he brings at the plate will be negligibly better than valdez. but, castillo is so washed up and his defense was never even good to begin with.
phillies are going to have to win 2-1 games from this point on, at least until some magic indian cures utley's grit and ben francisco starts doing his best jayson werth. you win 2-1 games with defense. you dont win 2-1 games with luis farging castillo at 2nd.
how was his defense never good....he was known for his defense and has like 3-4 gold gloves
Barfield was sent down - Castillo one step closer to wasting a roster spot.
From Buster Olney :
QuoteBy the way: Rival scouts trailing Phils convinced that Placido Polanco's injury will be a major factor for him and affect his availability.[\quote]
Nice!
castillo reached base last 6 of 9 plate appearances. wilson valdez is definitely better
and lol getting salty about josh farging barfield being sent down. talk about wasting a roster spot
Got tickets to Saturdays game aka Cliff Lee's first start.
Yeah - I am really salty about Josh Barfield being sent down. I simply posted that he was dropped.
But hey I forgot that you worship at the altar of Luis Castillo and Rube does no wrong.
Quote from: SD on March 27, 2011, 12:11:34 PM
Got tickets to Saturdays game aka Cliff Lee's first start.
I'd imagine that Lee's game might actually be a hotter ticket than opening day. They're both sold out and then some but I wouldn't be surprised if the 2nd game wasn't getting a higher markup than the first.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 27, 2011, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: SD on March 27, 2011, 12:11:34 PM
Got tickets to Saturdays game aka Cliff Lee's first start.
I'd imagine that Lee's game might actually be a hotter ticket than opening day. They're both sold out and then some but I wouldn't be surprised if the 2nd game wasn't getting a higher markup than the first.
I got it through a friend and it's still marked up considerably. oh well.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2011, 12:12:11 PM
Yeah - I am really salty about Josh Barfield being sent down. I simply posted that he was dropped.
But hey I forgot that you worship at the altar of Luis Castillo and Rube does no wrong.
What did Rube do wrong here? Your second base option would be?
Nothing really. But Sunny seemed to think that my comment about Castillo wasting a roster spot was overly negative.
My 2B option would be Wilson Valdez. Or look towards a trade before the rosters are set.
what the farg is the point anymore
utley = finished
polanco = finished
ibanez = finished
rollins = washed up
choke = everyone has figured him out
ruiz = limited
werth = in dc
victorino = mentally disabled
DOOM AND GLOOM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2011, 01:29:45 PM
Or look towards a trade before the rosters are set.
OMGGETMICHAELYOUNG :crazy :crazy :crazy
so one of the buck brothers died last week
why didnt i know this
Quote from: MDS on March 27, 2011, 01:38:33 PM
what the farg is the point anymore
utley = finished
polanco = finished
ibanez = finished
rollins = washed up
choke = everyone has figured him out
ruiz = limited
werth = in dc
victorino = mentally disabled
DOOM AND GLOOM
:-D That may have made my season!
Disney World is officially the worst place on Earth to watch a game. We got told to quiet down because we were cheering too loudly. Not cursing or any other boorish behavior. Cheering. Too. Loudly.
farg Atlanta and their zesty farging spring training site.
P.S. At least half the crowd yesterday was Phillies fans. Awesome turnout and the Gawd pitched great.
QuoteSI_JonHeyman
early belief seems to be castillo's 9/10 day tryout will be extended and he'll start as #phillies 2b
I'm ok with it as long as he is not allowed to wear a Phillies uniform and fans can run on the field and tase him at will.
less doom and gloom w/ Chase (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Utley-more-optimistic.html)
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 28, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
less doom and gloom w/ Chase (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Utley-more-optimistic.html)
QuoteQ: In your mind will you be on the field this year?
A: Absolutely. That's my goal. I think it can happen. As long as we continue to take steps forward I think that's definitely a possibility.
so he questions whether he will play even one game this year and thats less doom and gloom?
did they announce last week that he was out for the year or something
Utley has always gave purposefully (I think) obtuse answers to questions. I'm optimistic for now.
What is Utley and Luis Castillo's VORP.
QuotePhillies To Sign Kevin Frandsen
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [March 28, 2011 at 6:20pm CST]
The Phillies have agreed to sign Kevin Frandsen to a minor league contract, according to ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick (Twitter links). The infielder will head to Triple-A for now.
Frandsen nearly signed with Arizona after the Padres released him, but the deal with the D'Backs fell through. He'll provide the Phillies with depth behind Wilson Valdez, the newly-acquired Luis Castillo and the injured Chase Utley. Jon Heyman of SI.com reported earlier today that Castillo appears likely to start the season at second while Utley recovers (Twitter link).
Frandsen, 28, has big league experience at third, short, first and both corner outfield positions, but he has played more games at second than at any other position. He hit .250/.294/.319 in 173 plate appearances for the Angels last year.
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no hitters is right
At least they were nice enough to include Blanton. I'm not sure why, but it seems like a nice gesture.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 28, 2011, 11:09:51 PM
At least they were nice enough to include Blanton. I'm not sure why, but it seems like a nice gesture.
LOL, was thinking the same thing. Maybe they tried to put him behind Cole and phase him out of the picture somewhat....but it didn't work since he's so fat?
probably a demand from the phillies for letting them to the piece
they dont want to make it seem likes its the big 4 plus fat joe, they want it to be the 5 of them. but...no.
I may buy 20 of them.
Please tell me its national and not regional.
If only you knew someone in Philly who could pick you up one.
why would blanton not be in the picture...its a story about the rotation and you can make the argument that for his spot in the order blanton is the best pitcher on the staff....i mean how many better 5's are there in the majors?
conlins spring training wrap.....
Quote
CLEARWATER, Fla. - In the third inning, fat, cold drops of rain pelted down on the Piggy Bank, Bright House Field.
There went the meteorological no-hitter, broken up in the Phillies' final exhibition of a Florida phase where the weather was all-time spectacular and the daily news bulletins could not have been worse.
We were introduced to the dark side of Chase Utley's benign-sounding patellar tendinitis, a tongue-twisting condition called chondromalacia. Simplified description: cartilage on the underside of the kneecap that has been eroded by wear and tear over time - think Housemaid's knee - and is now close to bone-on-bone.
For weeks, we watched the bizarre contrast of the Phillies' All-Star second baseman walking without a limp, ripping balls daily in batting practice, and . . . And, yet, Chase was unable to execute the routine starts, stops, stretches, pivots and other demands of his position. Utley could not do anything that would put sudden pressure on his kneecap. The result was excruciating pain. This is an athlete who endured the scourge of a hip labrum for months before reluctantly shutting down.
Break his wrist, he wants to keep on keeping on. Pure gamer, now unable to game.
But this patellar tendinitis plus the chondromalacia has put his season and career beyond 2011 under a cloud that dwarfed the scudding nimbus of the first rain day of a splendid month of March.
Utley was the No. 1 story. It overshadowed the ballyhooed presence of starters Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt, Cole Hamels and Joe Blanton, proving once more that really bad news will trump really good news every time.
No. 2 story began with concerns about the diminished velocity of closer Brad Lidge. The drop from the 96-to-98 mph fastball he powered while a Houston Astro to the 84-to-86 he was flopping up there from Day 1 here represents a yard in what a hitter sees. It is the difference between a swing and a miss and a launch that clatters off a bleacher seat or scatters sunbathing fans on a jammed Bright House Field berm.
No big deal, we were assured. It's the first time Brad has been healthy since he's been with us, was the daily bulletin as his velocity failed to improve and his ERA hovered significantly above the soaring price of a gallon of regular.
Then Lidge revealed he has been bothered by what he called "bicep tendinitis" and was shutting down for a few days. But whenever he used that term, he also referred to some "shoulder" discomfort he had been having from the first day he threw off a mound. That was on Feb. 14, a long time ago in spring-training days.
On March 24, Lidge pitched the ninth inning here against the Twins. He had no velocity and served a long home run. The next day, the bicep tendinitis became the "shoulder" discomfort he had been battling for nearly 6 weeks. Disabled list here he came, MRI results to come in the next few days.
My orthopedic guy, "Deep Labrum," puts it in layman's terms:
"Once again, biceps tendinitis is a marker for a shoulder injury. Net, you do not use your bicep to throw a baseball, unless you try to do so when your shoulder is injured."
With the caravan of expensive autos and equipment trucks loaded with the spoils of spring training nearly home, the Phillies entertained the Astros with 34-year-old journeyman Nate Bump on the mound.
No disrespect, Nate, but general manager Ruben Amaro and other notables were at the minor league complex, where Cliff Lee was making his final tuneup against a lineup of future Lehigh Valley IronPigs. The Pirates' Triple A team was supposed to be playing the Phils' minor leaguers, but heavy rain in Bradenton grounded the buses.
Nor was it your normal exhibition. The four complex infields are left uncovered and heavy overnight thunderstorms turned the basepaths into alligator alleys. So, the rules were: Hit the ball, the fielders can make some plays, but the hitter walks away. In the first inning of his three-inning final tuneup for Saturday's Bank start against the Astros, Lee gave up a gapper to right-center. I figured sure double, possible triple. Next hitter flared an assumed single to left. Then there was a single to right. One run. You knew Cliff had finished his tuneup when pitching coach Rich Dubee zipped up his jacket, wished a good season to several minor league coaches and headed back to the Piggy Bank.
A few awards to see the lads off to Philly:
* Tilted Kilt MVP: Rule 5 wraith Michael Martinez, headed north with the big club after showing anybody who cared to watch that a welterweight can play big-time baseball. If the six-position IF/OF fails to make Charlie Manuel's final cut, it will be about nothing more than numbers and the 12-man pitching staff created by the Lidge emergency.
* Hooters Big Stick Award: Ben Francisco snapped a tie with improved and ready-to-rumble John Mayberry with his fourth homer, a three-run bolt in the Phils' 7-6 getaway win over Ed Wade's Astros.
* Curtis LeMay Precision Bombing Award: Also Francisco, whose 300-foot, hooking-foul, batting-practice laser drilled club president Dave Montgomery on a pocket containing a comb and his auto remote. Only Monty survived.
* Lenny's MVP Pitcher: Roy Halladay.
* Lenny's MVP Pitcher Runner-up: Roy Halladay.
* Pinellas County Outpatient Injury Spin Award: Triple threat team of GM Ruben Amaro, athletic trainer Scott Sheridan and Phillies physician Dr. Michael Ciccotti.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20110329_Jimmy_got_things_Rollin.html
Jimmy The Pimp
QuoteCharlie Manuel: "Right now, if I had to choose, Jose Contreras would be the closer." Brad Lidge will start the season on the DL.
Great news. Much rather it be Truck than Madson.
Truck?
QuoteRandy Miller
It's looking like Luis Castillo will make the Phils roster and be their Opening Day second baseman. He'll cost Delwyn Young a roster spot.
Funny since everyone else seems to think Valdez will be there.
And Truck as in short for "big truck".
I hope Valdez is there.
I didn't know he was nicknamed Big Truck...
Can't believe its baseball time! I'm fired up. Please sweep Houston so I can talk shtein.
I am going to buy a batting practice jersey
Rollins
Lee
Ruiz
I am leaning towards JRoll
sounds like someone needs a healthy dose of GRIT
I looked for a Luis Castillo one - but he's not in stock yet. But they have a Brian Bocock option.
2-4 tonight with a stolen base
if im wilson valdez i feel like shtein
QuoteBen Francisco should be batting fourth.
Put Howard and his has-been butt-buddy Rollins down at 7th and 8th.
Comment from the Phillies site below the game article.
actually hes right, kind of
rollins
polanco
choke
francisco
ibanez
vic
ruiz
castillo
you need to protect choke now more than ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnQv1UzT60g
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 29, 2011, 11:46:16 PM
I didn't know he was nicknamed Big Truck...
charlie calls him that i dont think its really his nickname
Cholly luvs him sum Exxon Valdez.
Also - bought a Chooch away jersey over the weekend from a local doode at the flea market. Niiiiiiiice.
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I will masturbate to that before lunch.
I've jacked it twice since I clicked this thread
Jamie Moyer is joining BBTN as a guest analyst.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 30, 2011, 11:44:48 AM
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LOL, looks like a police line-up background.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 30, 2011, 12:13:00 PMLOL, looks like a police line-up background.
This coversation will take place on April 4th.
Houston: "#1, #4 and #5"
Cops: "Are you sure?"
Houston: "Yes. Definitely. Those are the guys that raped me."
Also, the Phils will face Myers and Happ during this opening series. When (if ever) is the last time the Phils faced 2 former Phillies starters during the same series? Ed....do work.
wolf and padilla while with the dodgers
Why hasn't Sunny started the season thread?
Get on it!
Quote from: smeags on March 30, 2011, 12:26:49 PM
wolf and padilla while with the dodgers
Padilla wasn't picked up by the Doyers until late in the season in 2009 and by that point, they had already played their 2 reg season series against each other. They did face them in the post season, but I was only talking regular season.
Farging Padilla.....I was at that NLCS game when he and Pedro faced off and both pitched their asses off. Farging Grit throwing errors did them in.
QuotePer Ruben Amaro, the Phillies have released Luis Castillo.
Thank god
Here's a link.
http://www.csnphilly.com/03/30/11/Phils-release-Castillo-Valdez-expected-a/landing_phillies_loud3r.html?blockID=493791&feedID=704
Good.
And I read Happ got hurt - oblique issue
they must really like martinez because they would have had to possibly give him back if they kept castillo
Wow. So does this mean Delwyn Young stays?
from today's paper:
QuoteMartinez impresses
Manuel had high praise for infielder Michael Martinez, who is working to earn one of the final two roster spots. Manuel thinks the 28-year-old Martinez, a career minor-leaguer, could be a late bloomer.
"He's impressed me. He makes some plays defensively that are top-notch," Manuel said. "He's got talent and he's got energy. He can hit .250 or .260. Omar Vizquel, later on in his career - when he got around 28, 30 years old - is when he developed his hitting. This kid has got some tools."
The 5-foot-9, 145-pound Martinez is a career .263 hitter in the minors. He has impressed Manuel with his defense in both the infield and outfield.
5'9, 145 pounds? Jesus christ. How can he even hit the ball out of the infield?
so brad lidge wont be able to pick up a baseball until maybe may.
probably wont be back until the all star break
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2011, 01:45:49 PM
so brad lidge wont be able to pick up a baseball until maybe may.
probably wont be back until the all star break
This doesn't upset me in the slightest.
not only does it not upset me i expected him to miss the year anyway....phillies are incredibly fraudulant with their injury reporting
Lights OFF
btw how farging putrid is the phillies bench this year
Don't hate on Gloadsy
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
btw how farging putrid is the phillies bench this year
gload should be alright
but other than that its pretty awful
but then again so is every teams. its a bench.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2011, 12:19:37 PMAlso, the Phils will face Myers and Happ during this opening series. When (if ever) is the last time the Phils faced 2 former Phillies starters during the same series? Ed....do work.
Without looking, they faced (and lost to) both of those guys during that embarrassing 4-game sweep at CBP last August
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 30, 2011, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2011, 12:19:37 PMAlso, the Phils will face Myers and Happ during this opening series. When (if ever) is the last time the Phils faced 2 former Phillies starters during the same series? Ed....do work.
Without looking, they faced (and lost to) both of those guys during that embarrassing 4-game sweep at CBP last August
Yeah, that's right. (Luckily) I didn't see a single game from that series.....those dates are around the same time I sent my kids home so I was probably running around Disneyland and Sea World with them.
nothing like easy post-complaining about a 4 game stretch that turned out to be more meaningless than a levittown minority
At the time it sucked, then they went out west and swept San Diego again, so everything was back to normal
It's still embarrassing. It's like farging a hot chick a few days after hooking up with a fatty.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 30, 2011, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 30, 2011, 12:19:37 PMAlso, the Phils will face Myers and Happ during this opening series. When (if ever) is the last time the Phils faced 2 former Phillies starters during the same series? Ed....do work.
Without looking, they faced (and lost to) both of those guys during that embarrassing 4-game sweep at CBP last August
Sssshhhhhh.
QuoteThe questions arise with every aging Phillies player: How to manage an everyday load with more wear and tear? Polanco fits squarely on that list. He has already battled a new complication with his left elbow this spring. He hyperextended it on a swing March 15 and played in just three of the Phillies' final 12 Grapefruit League games.
Todd, I'm starting to jump on this aging bandwagon shtein.
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2011, 02:04:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
btw how farging putrid is the phillies bench this year
gload should be alright
but other than that its pretty awful
but then again so is every teams. its a bench.
Aaaaaaaand it begins.
Todd minimizing a concern. Shocking!
There's not many things more predictable on this board right now that Todd telling everybody not to talk about the Phillies games/players in the Phillies thread, IGY hating on Bob every chance he gets in the flyers thread, Dio ranting at somebody for literally anything, and Rusty telling us all how much he hates us and we need to die at the end of each of these instances.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 30, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2011, 02:04:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 30, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
btw how farging putrid is the phillies bench this year
gload should be alright
but other than that its pretty awful
but then again so is every teams. its a bench.
Aaaaaaaand it begins.
Todd minimizing a concern. Shocking!
yea its a shame albert pujols isnt coming off the bench
again look at the bench for the giants and the braves. not exactly murderers row.
if they get hof brown back so francisco is a ph sometimes and make 1 move by aug 31 it wont be a concern anymore. its like whining about the back end of the bullpen. these areas suck for every team.
I guarantee the Phillies will win at least 50 and lose at least 50.
That's it. That's the list.
Time to. Time to die.
Quote from: Munson on March 30, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
There's not many things more predictable on this board right now that Todd telling everybody not to talk about the Phillies games/players in the Phillies thread, IGY hating on Bob every chance he gets in the flyers thread, Dio ranting at somebody for literally anything, and Rusty telling us all how much he hates us and we need to die at the end of each of these instances.
What we call in Hawaii "The Aloha Spirit"
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