2010/11 Phillies Offseason Thread

[ice grillin you]

if the 5th spot has the highest run support its because they are more often than not facing a pitcher that is deep in the opponents rotation not because of some psycho babble

the teams offense will suck this year because they are depleted with werth and GRIT gone they are ageing and by and large they are a bunch of brain dead half wits

[charlie]

That all makes sense but it still doesn't change the fact that no starting pitcher in the game is on the field for more than roughly 33 games a year.

I disagree, a starting pitcher can and should be compared with position players when trying to assign value.

Looking at games per year is wrong though. A pitcher like halladay faced upwards of 1000 at bats against last season, where even the best hitters who play every day come to the plate 650 times in a season. Add to the national league's pitchers at bats, a single starting pitcher has a considerable amount more impact on the season as a whole than any single batter.

You can easily minimize the impact of a hot batter by walking him, it's not so easy to minimize the impact of a hot pitcher.

That said the debate over Halladay being the best baseball player is a dumb one.

[ice grillin you]

You can easily minimize the impact of a hot batter by walking him, it's not so easy to minimize the impact of a hot pitcher.

hes already minimized by not playing for most of the year...thats why the phillies are such big news this season because they could potentially have a #1 pitcher on the mound four times a week instead of 1 or 2

in the nlcs cody ross was more valuable than roy hallday

[charlie]

You can easily minimize the impact of a hot batter by walking him, it's not so easy to minimize the impact of a hot pitcher.

hes already minimized by not playing for most of the year

in the nlcs cody ross was more valuable than roy hallday

Over the course of an entire season is all i am referring to.

[Sgt PSN]

if the 5th spot has the highest run support its because they are more often than not facing a pitcher that is deep in the opponents rotation not because of some psycho babble

This is true for the first few weeks of the season, maybe the first month when everyone is healthy and no one is missing starts.  But from May-Sep, how many times do you get 1 vs 1 type pitching match ups?  As the season goes on you see a lot of 1 vs 4, 1 vs 5.  Injuries and teams having different schedules/off days play a big factor in who faces who through out the year.  Not to mention that you know this Phillies offense is capable of being shut down by anyone, especially some LHP that just got called up from the minors who they've never seen before, so it doesn't matter if Doc or Blanton is on the mound, they probably ain't scoring shtein that game anyway.   

the teams offense will suck this year because they are depleted with werth and GRIT gone they are ageing and by and large they are a bunch of brain dead half wits

I don't think they'll suck, I just think they've be boringly average.....which is a major drop off from what we've seen the last 4 or 5 years. 

[PhillyPhreak54]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2011/news/story?id=6246728

His name was on the lineup card. His locker had his name over it. His uniform hung on a rack. But as Tuesday morning was about to turn into Tuesday afternoon, there was no sign of newly signed Luis Castillo in the Philadelphia Phillies' spring-training camp.

And while manager Charlie Manuel professed publicly that he was "not disappointed", Phillies officials clearly were confused, and at least mildly frustrated, by Castillo's absence.

Castillo agreed to a minor league contract with the Phillies on Monday morning, and had been expected to arrive in Clearwater by Monday night. The team made a hotel reservation for him and wasn't aware he was still home in South Florida until ESPNDeportes.com's Enrique Rojas reported that Castillo wasn't leaving for Clearwater until Tuesday morning.

A source told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney that Castillo was delayed by a personal matter. But Manuel said he wasn't told why Castillo was delayed.

"They told me he'd be here today, so I put him in the lineup," Manuel said. "The reason I put him in the lineup was, I wanted to see him play. Maybe I should wait to put up my lineup till game time."

[Sgt PSN]

I disagree, a starting pitcher can and should be compared with position players when trying to assign value.

Value is a little different.  I'm fine with a pitcher being named MVP.  There's a difference between being most valuable player in the game and being the best player.

Looking at games per year is wrong though. A pitcher like halladay faced upwards of 1000 at bats against last season, where even the best hitters who play every day come to the plate 650 times in a season. Add to the national league's pitchers at bats, a single starting pitcher has a considerable amount more impact on the season as a whole than any single batter.

You can easily minimize the impact of a hot batter by walking him, it's not so easy to minimize the impact of a hot pitcher.

This is a great way to look at it (had not considered it) and from this perspective, it definitely shows how a pitcher is/can be more impactful than what I was giving them credit for, but a pitcher who throws 200 innings in a season is still off the field for roughly 1400 innings of that same year.  So while I get what you're saying in the sense that during their time on the field they have a tremendous impact on the game, in fact I do feel that the pitcher is the most important player on the field for any given game....it's still less than 20% of the year that he's on the field making that impact. 

That said the debate over Halladay being the best baseball player is a dumb one.

Agreed.  Most valuable, most impactful, whatever.  Just not best.  Hell, sometimes players get into pitching because in high school and/or college they aren't the best in the field or at the plate. 

[smeags]

I'm gonna say he's the best only because Sassy will spend another half a page saying 'nuh uh'.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Oswalt took a liner off the head

He got up and walked off. No other updates yet.

[Sgt PSN]

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/03/oswalt-hit-in-head-with-line-drive-leaves-game.html#more

Here's the video.  Looks like it hit him more on the top of his back, maybe his neckspine but didn't appear to be serious. 

[charlie]

according to twitter he's on life support

[ice grillin you]

link?

[Sgt PSN]

He just died. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

He just died. 

LINK

[Rome]

I think this is what you were looking for, linkmeister:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOGp915sN3Q