2010/11 Phillies Offseason Thread

[Rome]

Here's the exchange:

12:42  [Comment From PhilliesPhanPhilliesPhan: ]
It is funny that over the years Rollins and Howard get crucified in this city but Big Baby Utley gets nothing...... 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:42 PhilliesPhan
12:42  Marcus: Yes. It is interesting. Except Utley is white. And he likes to curse in public. Imagine if Jimmy had done that? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:42 Marcus
12:43  [Comment From KyleKyle: ]
How was Ryan Howard hurt? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:43 Kyle
12:44  Marcus: Really? Memory loss? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:44 Marcus
12:44  [Comment From KyleKyle: ]
That's completely inaccurate concerning the farm system. The Phils have a top 10-15 farm even with the trades. The issue is that all of their talent in A ball 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:44 Kyle
12:45  Marcus: Talent in A-ball is worthless. Talent in Double-A and Triple-A means something. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Marcus
12:45  [Comment From JoeJoe: ]
Now it's a white and black issue Marcus? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Joe
12:45  Marcus: Always was. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Marcus
12:45  [Comment From JoeJoe: ]
Has nothing to do with him being white. he plays hard every play unlike Howard and rollins. Why does it have to be about race? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Joe
12:45  Marcus: Right. The black guys are lazy. The two MVPs are lazy. Where's your hood? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:45 Marcus
12:46  [Comment From GuestGuest: ]
the arrogance of jimmy and howard contribute to people being critical of them. they are the first to accept praise. chase does not look for attention so he does not get a lot of bad attention 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Guest
12:46  Marcus: Chase hides from criticism. He hides from everything. Some leader. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Marcus
12:46  [Comment From GuestGuest: ]
i am offended by the color issue being raised here. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Guest
12:46  Marcus: Free to leave, pal. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Marcus
12:46  [Comment From Son of MarcusSon of Marcus: ]
Whoever is moderating this thing, please get rid of this prick. He sucks. Whitey whitey stuff, the snarky comments - not worth participating in AT ALL. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:46 Son of Marcus
12:47  Marcus: I'm moderating it. And you're gone. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:47 Marcus
12:47  [Comment From KyleKyle: ]
So the 3 weeks Howard missed cost him 10-15 HR's?? thats ridiculous 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:47 Kyle
12:47  Marcus: OK. You hit on 1 leg. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:47 Marcus
12:47  [Comment From Sal Pals TeethSal Pals Teeth: ]
What team challenges the Phillies next year in NL East? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:47 Sal Pals Teeth
12:48  Marcus: Man, that's a great question. The Braves could be good for a while, but I'm no fan of Fredi Gonzalez 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:48 Marcus
12:48  [Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Thanks Marcus - finally someone in the media has the stones to say it. Howard and Rollins routinely outplay Utley, but because of his skin color, he can do no wrong. Just like Werth is a worse white version of Abreu...people hate Abreu, love Werth. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:48 Guest
12:48  Marcus: You''re welcome. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:48 Marcus
12:49  [Comment From AaronAaron: ]
Marcus, do you even like the Phillies because you predicted the Reds would beat them? Now because you have a dislike for a white athlete, you're stirring up the race issue. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:49 Aaron
12:49  Marcus: I don't dislike the Phillies. I don't dislike Utley. I do my job. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:49 Marcus
12:49  [Comment From Sal Pals TeethSal Pals Teeth: ]
I bet his hood in whiter than Sal Pal's new teeth. You make a good point Marcus. Sorry to say, race always plays an issue. Anyway, do you think Brad Lidge will continue his turnaround next year? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:49 Sal Pals Teeth
12:50  Marcus: I think he'll be spotty the rest of his career; I just can't think he's physicially sound. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:50 Marcus
12:50  [Comment From Duke FameDuke Fame: ]
In all fairness, I'm white and I hated Abreu and I hate Werth. So there. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:50 Duke Fame
12:50  Marcus: Touche. 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:50 Marcus
12:50  [Comment From GuestGuest: ]
I love when journalists make claims with no proof. Offer any evidence? 

Tuesday October 26, 2010 12:50 Guest
12:52  Marcus: Are you blind, pal? You have two MVPs in town who get nothing but ripped. Rollins is worth more to this team hitting .250 than Utley hitting .300 with 30 dongs, simply because he can catch. And what have Howard or Rollins done that was remotely as vulgar and offensive as what Utley did after the parade? Evidence? World Bleeping Champions? Come on. 

[SunMo]

he is a clown of epic proportions.

he is, but he's right on that thing

[Rome]

he's right that there's racists galore in philly.  of course he'd be right saying water is wet too but it's completely unnecessary to bring it up when everyone knows it's an indisputable fact.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The national media is as much to blame for the lack of Utley hate as anybody, so I guess they're the racists.

And I'm sick of Utley at this point anyway.  Rollins still plays a ridiculously good SS and adds positive value even when not great at the plate.  Utley chokes all over the field and puts kerosene in his hair.

[smeags]

Utley is getting ripped daily now. Does that mean the racist have changed ttheir ways ? To me it wasnt so much race but more that rollins and howard were the two that were always in front of the camera doing interviews, going sports show calling out the fans. Not that race isnt part of it but its not the main reason.

[ice grillin you]

Utley is getting ripped daily now. Does that mean the racist have changed ttheir ways ? To me it wasnt so much race but more that rollins and howard were the two that were always in front of the camera doing interviews, going sports show calling out the fans. Not that race isnt part of it but its not the main reason.

yes it is

race is the main reason but not necessarily overt racism...lot of it is subconcious type stuff like people seeing the white player as salt of the earth type guy hard worker..where as the black players get back on physical talent that they were naturally born with

what i dont get is why is this being brought up now....its been going on for like five years now

[charlie]

I enjoy how Utley winces after every single play, and then stares at his hands/fingers/glove/wrists/bat like they wronged him.

[smeags]

Utley is getting ripped daily now. Does that mean the racist have changed ttheir ways ? To me it wasnt so much race but more that rollins and howard were the two that were always in front of the camera doing interviews, going sports show calling out the fans. Not that race isnt part of it but its not the main reason.

yes it is

race is the main reason but not necessarily overt racism...lot of it is subconcious type stuff like people seeing the white player as salt of the earth type guy hard worker..where as the black players get back on physical talent that they were naturally born with

what i dont get is why is this being brought up now....its been going on for like five years now

where's the proof. have any evidence ? like freddie mentioned is the national media full of racists too ?

[SD]

Utley is getting ripped daily now. Does that mean the racist have changed ttheir ways ? To me it wasnt so much race but more that rollins and howard were the two that were always in front of the camera doing interviews, going sports show calling out the fans. Not that race isnt part of it but its not the main reason.

yes it is

race is the main reason but not necessarily overt racism...lot of it is subconcious type stuff like people seeing the white player as salt of the earth type guy hard worker..where as the black players get back on physical talent that they were naturally born with

what i dont get is why is this being brought up now....its been going on for like five years now

igy is on point here

Whenever I criticize Utley someone always counters with "he must be injured". You never hear that with Howard or Rollins.

[smeags]

you heard the injury excuse for rollins most of this year.

maybe i just don't see it because the people i surround myself with have ripped utley for his choking.

[charlie]

you heard the injury excuse for rollins most of this year.

Especially during the few months on the DL

[SD]

you heard the injury excuse for rollins most of this year.

Yes because he was actually injured. Every time Utley slumps it's always "he must be injured".

[ice grillin you]

Whenever I criticize Utley someone always counters with "he must be injured". You never hear that with Howard or Rollins.

ALWAYS

also no one has worked harder than choke at improving his fielding...plus he made it a point to get in much better shape and condition over the last couple years....but you never hear fans  talk about that when it comes to him...

on the other hand one of the foundations for utleys reputation as a do anything for the team blue collar man was the first three or four years of his career and how he improved his fielding so much...and you constantly heard how hard he worked at it...which was true and he should have been credited for it...but when utley did it it was the most amazing thing ever and the results were waaaaay overrated...shtein beane used to come on these boards all the time and talk about utley being the best fielding second basemen in the majors...which is a joke

choke did the same thing plus he went for 50-150 every year and people wanna trade him

[smeags]

you heard the injury excuse for rollins most of this year.

Yes because he was actually injured. Every time Utley slumps it's always "he must be injured".

several on this site say that.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Part of the deal with Utley is that he has in the past (2008) played injured without it being known.  So, when he slumps/declines, people WANT to assume that it's more of the same because the alternative is that he's just not very good and actually getting worse.