2010/11 Phillies Offseason Thread

[Rome]

And strike out a lot less.  Rose hated striking out more than any player who ever lived.   Those two fargheads could learn a thing or two from that.

[MDS]

strikeouts really arent all that bad

they generally mean higher pitch counts and keep you out of double plays. plus when youre going to produce an out 70% of the time really whats the difference what it is. the better stat is strikeouts in situations where you need to put the ball in play.

but that wasnt on the back of the baseball card, so...might lose you there old man

[rjs246]

Taking the side of Jimmy Rollins in a 'who is better at baseball, Pete Rose or Jimmy Rollins' argument is neato.

[SunMo]

it's not even a side.  even jimmy said that Schmidt was right

[MDS]

Taking the side of Jimmy Rollins in a 'who is better at baseball, Pete Rose or Jimmy Rollins' argument is neato.

no one with the exception of possibly havas thinks jimmy is better than pete

all im saying is the strikeouts are the worst thing ever mindset is really outdated and based on nothing

[Sgt PSN]

Striking out puts no pressure on the defense whether the bases are empty or loaded. Putting the ball in play, even a routine ground ball to 2nd still requires execution by the defense to record the out and provides a (slim) opportunity for an error.

So yes, in a sport where you are going to make an out 70% of the time, it does in fact matter how much you strike out.

[MDS]

again its an overtly simplistic way of looking at things.

for a player like ryan howard it simply comes with the territory. plus howard is slow as dick and its not a terrible thing keeping him from rolling over a routine grounder for a double play. the key to howards production is to look at what he does with runners on base and runners in scoring position. what he does with no one on unless its a solo shot is sort of whatever.

for a player like jimmy rollins its a fairly big downfall on his production....9 times out of 10 you want jimmy putting the ball in play routine ground out or home run. and if i recall without looking at the stats his strikeout numbers have gone down. perhaps they went back up last year cause it was just a terrible year for him but hes definitely in a better place as a hitter now then he was back in 2003.

for a player like bobby abreu or jayson werth its a product of them working consistently deep counts. you cant have as high an obp and walk as many times as they do without striking out a lot. unless youre albert pujols when you get into 2-2 or 3-2 counts, you might strikeout every now and again.

also lets not forget how the game has changed and what the impact of moneyball has been. obp = good. walking = good. and you cant get these without striking out.

[Sgt PSN]

No one is talking about Howard, Werth or Abreu you twit. But your comments on Jimmy pretty much support what I just said. So thanks I guess.

[MDS]

you were saying striking out is sort of bad, i was saying it sort of isnt

something like that

[ice grillin you]

is anyone else really tired of these mike schmidt state of the franchise speeches every spring

[Rome]

Striking out is almost universally bad except for the double play scenario.   And LOL at everything else that followed.

[Don Ho]

is anyone else really tired of these mike schmidt state of the franchise speeches every spring

Yes.  Love the guy put he was part of some teams that yaked it up just as bad.  Someone needs to bring up his pitiful performance in the 1983 WS against Baltimore.

[ice grillin you]

i dont care because of that....it annoys me because you dont hear from him for 364 days a year and then once a spring he comes out and gives his 25 cents on the team...if you wanna be a coach then get into coaching...if you wanna be a commentator then call up baseball network and audition...otherwise shut the farg up attention whore

[Eagles_Legendz]

Striking out is almost universally bad except for the double play scenario.   And LOL at everything else that followed.

It's bad as in you're making an out, and it can be worse than putting the ball in play because you're taking out the chance for errors, sac fly's etc.

But it's not normally worse.  It's normally the same thing as any other out.  It's a bigger deal when it's Jimmy who is doing it because you'll take him grounding into a FC if it's putting his speed on first instead of a K.

[smeags]

leadoff batters striking out isn't such a bad thing.

it's good to get this info.