No link but it was on the bottom of the ESPN scroll. Lovely.
My guess is he looked at the almost $100 mil in cash being thrown out this offseason while he's locked into his deal he signed early on and the Eagles won't bump him up.
Gotta hand it to the FO...
It says he requested to be traded after the Eagles told him they wouldn't renegotiate his contract
wtf?
hes making 2 mil this year and samuel is making nine....do the math
and his 2 best friends were treated like dogshtein and sent on their ways this offseason.
I don't blame him. But its never good to hear that your favorite player (after your second favorite player was one of the above mentioned) wants out.
Hahahahahahaha. This team is an unmitigated farging disaster.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
hes making 2 mil this year and samuel is making nine....do the math
He should read the contract that HE signed, fire your freakin agent dipshtein.
que up another round of "but he signed a contract!"
Quote from: rjs246 on April 20, 2009, 02:00:57 PM
Hahahahahahaha. This team is an unmitigated farging disaster.
Nah, but its got some pissy little bitches on it apparently. Ship him and the #1 to AZ for Boldin and maybe a slow white TE, if they have one.
Quote from: SunMo on April 20, 2009, 02:05:36 PM
que up another round of "but he signed a contract!"
I understand that teams do some shady ish also, just get tired of I'm gonna take my ball and go home and he makes more then me BS.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 02:04:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
hes making 2 mil this year and samuel is making nine....do the math
He should read the contract that HE signed, fire your freakin agent dipshtein.
are you new to following pro sports or do you just not understand it
he signed his deal over five years ago and has easily outplayed its value...those are exactly the kinds of guys you re-do
He deserves the money, and these fargs say you signed your name here. Gotta Hand it to the FO, Great Offseason
Something new to talk about, sweet!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 02:04:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
hes making 2 mil this year and samuel is making nine....do the math
He should read the contract that HE signed, fire your freakin agent dipshtein.
are you new to following pro sports or do you just not understand it
he signed his deal over five years ago and has easily outplayed its value...those are exactly the kinds of guys you re-do deals for
This. Its not like he signed the deal 1-2 years ago or I'd be on that "you signed the contract icehole" tangent as well.
But SINCE he's signed it, other players have been redone or they have traded for guys on the same or below level as him who are making a TON more.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 02:04:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
hes making 2 mil this year and samuel is making nine....do the math
He should read the contract that HE signed, fire your freakin agent dipshtein.
are you new to following pro sports or do you just not understand it
he signed his deal over five years ago and has easily outplayed its value...those are exactly the kinds of guys you re-do
I know how it works, It just gets old. Why today though? he is killing my victory buzz from yesterday, and yes I would not have a problem with them hookin scrappy up he has earned it. I just don't like the set up and the whinning.
QuoteThis. Its not like he signed the deal 1-2 years ago or I'd be on that "you signed the contract icehole" tangent as well.
But SINCE he's signed it, other players have been redone or they have traded for guys on the same or below level as him who are making a TON more.
Good points.
you back pedal fast son, impressive
so sheldon is the new lito?
This farging franchise gets the gas face.
Gargano was calling this 2 months ago
Oh yeah? Well I called this 5 years ago when I said 'farg everyone' and told the world to suck my icehole.
I'm a seer.
Vontae Davis, Philadelphia Eagle
Quote from: mussa on April 20, 2009, 02:23:22 PM
so sheldon is the new lito?
except he actually plays every game
Vontae
wtf kind of name is that
I also said that when the shtein with Lito and Dawkins were going on, Sheldon was going to be miserable and pissed off.
no shock to the eagles
they werent bringing in corners for visits over the last 2 months to show them the liberty bell
Sweet now they have a built in excuse for not selecting a offensive skill position player at #21.
They wont extend him or use him in a trade to land a premiere WR.
In fact they wont even draft a CB at #21. I am convinced that they will select the best available DE or DT at @21 or trade down.
if you didn't see this one coming after they gave hanson more $$ than brown makes, you haven't been paying attention.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 20, 2009, 02:28:46 PM
Vontae Davis, Philadelphia Eagle
then they'll trade for Vernon. Ironically Andy loves bringing families together...
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 20, 2009, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 20, 2009, 02:28:46 PM
Vontae Davis, Philadelphia Eagle
then they'll trade for Vernon. Ironically Andy loves bringing other families together...
BigEd's phrasing was fine for non-idiots.
Wasn't Sheldon on his soap box last year ripping Lito for not living up to his contract?
I got no problem with a player trying to get his money, but don't be a hypocrite Sheldon.
Quote from: King Cole on April 20, 2009, 03:45:01 PM
Wasn't Sheldon on his soap box last year ripping Lito for not living up to his contract?
I got no problem with a player trying to get his money, but don't be a hypocrite Sheldon.
No, he was the exact opposite
Ok, if true I retract the statement. Could've sworn he went on with Eskin and said something like he signed the deal he needs to live up to it.
i remember him ripping rosenpenis but not lito
The problem for the Eagles is that the market rate for a starting CB has gone way up.
The problem for Sheldon is that he hasn't far outplayed the expectations of his existing contract.
I would like them to give him some more money. I like his style of play. But, he's not irreplaceable, so whatever.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 20, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
I would like them to give him some more money. I like his style of play. But, he's not irreplaceable, so whatever.
"I"?...that's pretty much like saying, "We".
Everyone, start throwing bricks at Freddie.
actually he is pretty much irreplaceable...unless you like the idea of jack iggywanoo starting for the birds this year
I was actually speaking for myself, not as a "member" of the Eagles.
...well...in that case...I too would like to demand a trade. Would you be willing to give me more money?
LOL at FF taking Banner's side again
I think Troy Vincent is available
his efficiency for his position is very good and hes a very nice tackler when he uses his arms...but he lacks the hands and jump on the ball alot of the other solid CB's have. I mean, hes also given up alot of big plays--especially to the taller receiver over the years
I like the tandem of Samuels and Brown, but I wouldnt be depressed if he rolled in a trade. I think he can be replaced with someone else and still be a very productive secondary
Quote from: hbionic on April 20, 2009, 04:13:01 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 20, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
I would like them to give him some more money. I like his style of play. But, he's not irreplaceable, so whatever.
"I"?...that's pretty much like saying, "We".
Everyone, start throwing bricks at Freddie.
Actually the quote is fine. It wouldn't be if he said "I would like us to give him some more money".
But the brick throwing sounds fun--where do I sign up?
He should be given a new deal.
But whats up with these iceholes always crying about their contracts? Its a guarantee that a veteran player or players will bitch about their deal after new deals are signed by FAs for the current market value.
Bowen was trying to incite some shtein about Andrews not being happy (Shawn) about his deal now that his brother and Peters got paid.
Shawn wasnt happy...get the farg out of here?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2009, 05:00:29 PM
Bowen was trying to incite some shtein about Andrews not being happy (Shawn) about his deal now that his brother and Peters got paid.
Well Bowen is on DNL right now. Too bad I have no fargING SOUND. :boom :boom :boom
I hate Comcast.
Quote from: reese125 on April 20, 2009, 05:02:30 PM
Shawn wasnt happy...get the farg out of here?
No quotes, buth good ol' Lester just opining that Andrews probably isn't happy when they look at paychecks.
whoosh
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 20, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
The problem for the Eagles is that the market rate for a starting CB has gone way up.
That is a problem they helped create. We already know they aren't going to pay him what he's worth, and we can be reasonably sure that they're going to pick a corner in the first three rounds. I think Hank Baskett is on the radar for a new deal though, so that'll probably make Sheldon happy again.
Les Bowen is using EMB in his Philly.com article. sad....
farg Joe Banner.
Official statement from the Eagles:
Quote"It's very unfortunate and counterproductive that Sheldon has chosen to go public with his feelings about his situation. After thorough evaluation by himself and discussions with his family and agents, he chose to accept an extension of his rookie contract early that provided his family financial security for the rest of his life. It removed any concerns about health or performance that all other players in his draft class had to worry about. He has three years remaining on that contract and, after taking the signing bonus and his first two years of salary into account, we feel that Sheldon is being paid fairly. Focusing only on a player's salary for a given year is not a valid analysis.
"There have been league MVP's, Super Bowl champion quarterbacks, and perennial Pro Bowlers who have been in a similar situation. All of their teams have required them to wait until their contract expired or there was only one year remaining before any adjustment took place. It is only in the most extraordinary, in fact, less than a handful of circumstances in the last 10 years that any players two new years into a contract with three years left have been adjusted. We don't think this qualifies as an extraordinary circumstance.
"Sheldon's comments under the circumstances actually serve to devalue him in a trade if we were willing to consider it, which we are not."
Good thing they didn't adjust Westbrook's deal in the last 8 months and create animosity....oh wait...
He's grossly underpaid yet they're not willing to budge despite the fact that he's been their most consistent defensive player for the past five seasons.
I hate this corksucking team and the worthless cheap ass douchebags who run it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2009, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 20, 2009, 05:02:30 PM
Shawn wasnt happy...get the farg out of here?
No quotes, buth good ol' Lester just opining that Andrews probably isn't happy when they look at paychecks.
Andrews didn't play virtually all season. If Andrews does in fact start to moan about his contract, then only in pro sports can a player be a complete non-factor for a year for their employer and yet still complain about their paycheck.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 20, 2009, 05:53:55 PM
It is only in the most extraordinary, in fact, less than a handful of circumstances in the last 10 years that any players two new years into a contract with three years left have been adjusted. We don't think this qualifies as an extraordinary circumstance.
is this accurate...i could have sworn sheldon signed a new deal in the superbowl year...did he really do a renegotiation just two years ago
I thought he did it in 2004 as well, which would have been the classic "lock 'em up early" deal the Eagles do, since he was drafted in 2002.
Either way, I'm sick of this contract drama. I wish I could whine and bitch every time I found out someone in my industry makes more than me.
Sheldon Brown is a solid player, but give me a break. He isn't even close to one of the top corners in the league, I actually have to agree with the FO in this case.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 20, 2009, 07:37:37 PM
Sheldon Brown is a solid player, but give me a break. He isn't even close to one of the top corners in the league, I actually have to agree with the FO in this case.
i hate to say it, but i'm leaning more towards this than being on sheldon's side. they caked him off early in his career and maybe his annual salary is chump change, i'm curios to see what his average annual earnings are on this contract when you add in signing bonuses, roster bonuses, etc. i bet it has him being paid top 10 corner money.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 20, 2009, 07:37:37 PM
Sheldon Brown is a solid player, but give me a break. He isn't even close to one of the top corners in the league, I actually have to agree with the FO in this case.
hes like the 42nd highest paid corner in the nfl i heard...he makes less than friggin joselio hanson...im not sure what being one of the top corners in the league has to do with anything...if youre grossly underpaid then youre grossly underpaid...but if the eagles dont feel that way then trade his ass and go with joselio hanson and jack iggywanoo as your 2nd and 3rd corners
i too am with the FO on this. bottom line...if youre not a stud dont start demanding shtein with 3 years left.
he can easily be replaced in the eagles eyes...so go ahead and be a fool and pull a Lito special dumbass
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 20, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 20, 2009, 07:37:37 PM
Sheldon Brown is a solid player, but give me a break. He isn't even close to one of the top corners in the league, I actually have to agree with the FO in this case.
i hate to say it, but i'm leaning more towards this than being on sheldon's side. they caked him off early in his career and maybe his annual salary is chump change, i'm curios to see what his average annual earnings are on this contract when you add in signing bonuses, roster bonuses, etc. i bet it has him being paid top 10 corner money.
hes made a little over 12 mil in the five years of his current deal...antoine winfield made 12 mil in one season...i think even daylon mcutchen got like a 6 mil sb a few years ago didnt he?
i quit this thread
who fargin cares
whatever happens, happens
douchebags all of 'em
I root for laundry
go errands!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 20, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 20, 2009, 07:37:37 PM
Sheldon Brown is a solid player, but give me a break. He isn't even close to one of the top corners in the league, I actually have to agree with the FO in this case.
i hate to say it, but i'm leaning more towards this than being on sheldon's side. they caked him off early in his career and maybe his annual salary is chump change, i'm curios to see what his average annual earnings are on this contract when you add in signing bonuses, roster bonuses, etc. i bet it has him being paid top 10 corner money.
hes made a little over 12 mil in the five years of his current deal...antoine winfield made 12 mil in one season...i think even daylon mcutchen got like a 6 mil sb a few years ago didnt he?
ok, so brown's overall take home pay with bonuses doesn't rank him up there with the top 10 or so corners in the league. in this case then, i don't know who's dumber. sheldon for signing such a long term contract when he knew it would be obsolete after a few years or the eagles for continiously practicing this nickle and dime crap that blows up in their face every time.
From a post on ESPN.com:
QuoteKingCole35
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I am so sick and tired of football players bitching and moaning about contracts. Don't sign the friggin' contract if you don't like the terms! You take a pay cut for security. That's the way it is, you bozos. As a lifelong Eagles fan, I am fed up with this ####. Every year its someone else on this team complaining they only signed for 7.5 million dollars. Suck a d*ck. I hate Jeffrey Lurie and Joe Banner, but this time they have it right.
:-D
Please God tell me this is the same mongoloid who posts here. Please?
QuoteKingCole35
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Sit this #### just like Lito. I'd make him sit for 3 straight years, don't let him play a friggin down. See how well he stays in shape. We did it to TO!
More... :-D
which article is that from? because i checked the one that's posted on espn's homepage, but there's not comments from that dude after the article.
Look here. (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-9-117/Eagles-respond-swiftly-to-Brown-s-criticism.html?prosaction=newpost&status=ok&prosaction=newpost&status=ok&prosaction=newpost&status=ok)
ah, from the blog post. i hardly ever read them. the comments are priceless though. i hope he posts more.
QuoteSheldon: Birds Take Me for Granted
Sheldon Brown feels taken for granted, the steady Eagles corner told your Eagletarian Monday evening.
"I've always been treated like the redheaded stepchild, ever since I was drafted," Brown said. He was explaining how he came to tell ESPN that he wanted to be traded, a move that provoked a strong, lengthy statement from the team Monday afternoon, denying his request and asserting that the contract extension Brown signed in 2004 does not make him underpaid in 2009.
"I've always been the nice guy, never said anything. I think they took that for granted," Brown said.
Brown said he reached the boiling point when, after a year of trying to get the Eagles to address his deal, he heard that team president Joe Banner had gone on WIP and said Brown's dissatisfaction had not been brought to his attention. Subsequently, Brown said, agent Jason Chayut's attempts to negotiate were shuffled off to recently hired Eagles consultant Andrew Brandt, who kept postponing planned meetings.
"My agent has been trying to do it in a respectful fashion," he said.
Brown said he made the public trade request in the spirit of "how do we get people to understand that this has been brought to your attention?"
Asked if he would skip the upcoming mandatory minicamp or hold out from training camp -- steps that most agents would consider financially counterproductive -- Brown said: "Who knows?"
Asked if the dispute might affect his play, should the Eagles stick to their vow not to trade him, Brown said: "It might. You never know. It's certainly something I'm going to be answering questions about all season long."
Here is the text of the Eagles' statement:
"It's very unfortunate and counterproductive that Sheldon has chosen to go public with his feelings about his situation. After thorough evaluation by himself and discussions with his family and agents, he chose to accept an extension of his rookie contract early that provided his family financial security for the rest of his life. It removed any concerns about health or performance that all other players in his draft class had to worry about. He has four years remaining on that contract and, after taking the signing bonus and his first two years of salary into account, we feel that Sheldon is being paid fairly. Focusing only on a player's salary for a given year is not a valid analysis.
"There have been league MVP's, Super Bowl champion quarterbacks, and perennial Pro Bowlers who have been in a similar situation. All of their teams have required them to wait until their contract expired or there was only one year remaining before any adjustment took place. It is only in the most extraordinary, in fact, less than a handful of circumstances in the last ten years that any players two new years into a contract with four years left have been adjusted. We don't think this qualifies as an extraordinary circumstance.
"Sheldon's comments under the circumstances actually serve to devalue him in a trade if we were willing to consider it; which we are not."
Brown attempted to rebut several of those points.
First, he told the Daily News his reasoning when he signed the contract extension in 2004 was "they came to me early to do a deal" and if he continued to play well, that would happen again. As to other 2002 drafted corners' "concerns about health or performance," Brown said: "Most of the corners drafted in 2002 are out of the league now." As for diminishing his trade value by speaking out, Brown said the Eagles just traded for Buffalo tackle Jason Peters, who held out last summer, with three years left on a contract. "They just traded for a guy who diminished his trade value last year," Brown said.
But as incongruous as it might sound, Brown also said he wanted to stress that to him, "this is business, it's not personal. I appreciate (owner) Jeffrey Lurie; I love him to death."
Brown said the trade of fellow disgruntled corner Lito Sheppard to the Jets made him think the team might be open to dealing him.
"If you traded your Pro Bowl player for a fifth-round pick, well, I'm pretty sure I can go out and get you that right now," he said.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2009, 08:38:02 PMBrown said: "Most of the corners drafted in 2002 are out of the league now."
Not really helping his own case with that one.
I'm not shocked that Joey B tries to play stupid and say that they have not heard o his displeasure when his agent has been trying to get something done.
Drama, so much drama.
Sheldon is 100% right in this.
Banner is a penny-pinching nerd who deserves to die screaming. I'm sick of him, Lurie and the rest of the clowns who make it damn near impossible to cheer for this team anymore.
Brown getting treated like a busboy is the last straw.
I agree with Romey, If sheldon is making that less than Joselio, and he is, its a joke. Just goes to show you the eagles dont learn
Quote from: Rome on April 20, 2009, 08:47:57 PM
Brown getting treated like a busboy is the last straw.
Shut up Rome. You'll keep following them and hanging on every game and headline from now until who knows. Come to terms with it. They are fargbags, but you'll still be a fan long after they are gone. I'm with Dio. farg it. Who cares. Wake me up for opening kickoff.
Pretty sure I never said I'd stop watching them.
Sorry, I don't really feel sorry for a guy that's made "only" 12 million dollars.
Putting up with crap? Feeling disrespected? Get a real job, one that's facing imminent unemployment or, in the best case scenario, "only" a paycut of 10%.
To hell with Sheldon. To hell with the FO. They can all kiss my middle-class hind end.
Less than 12 hours later I'm already sick of this conversation. farg Sheldon. farg Banner. farg Reid.
I'll echo Dio's sentiment with a 'Go Laundry!'
I'm tired of your face.
[quote]"I've always been treated like the redheaded stepchild, ever since I was drafted," Brown said. He was explaining how he came to tell ESPN that he wanted to be traded, a move that provoked a strong, lengthy statement from the team Monday afternoon, denying his request and asserting that the contract extension Brown signed in 2004 does not make him underpaid in 2009.[/quote]
For him to say he's felt like a red headed stepchild since he's been here? ??? why the farg did you sign the extension idiot. The more I learn about this the more he ain't helpin his cause. what a schmuck.
i wonder is sheldon had been izell jenkins from say 2004 to 2007 if the eagles would have honored the contract and not cut him
also sheldons cap hit becomes zero starting next year...while his yearly salary shoots up...what are the chances the eagles allow him to finish out the entire deal?
lololol @ cole
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:16:42 PM
why the farg did you sign the extension idiot.
because the eagles said to him if you do us one by signing early we will do you one if you play up to or past the level of the extension...little did sheldon know they mean do him up the ass
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 09:18:11 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:16:42 PM
why the farg did you sign the extension idiot.
because the eagles said to him if you do us one by signing early we will do you one if you play up to or past the level of the extension...little did sheldon know they mean do him up the ass
::) ::) yeah I'm sure if they said that he wouldn't mention it :-D
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 09:18:11 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:16:42 PM
why the farg did you sign the extension idiot.
because the eagles said to him if you do us one by signing early we will do you one if you play up to or past the level of the extension...little did sheldon know they mean do him up the ass
::) ::) yeah I'm sure if they said that he wouldn't mention it :-D
First, he told the Daily News his reasoning when he signed the contract extension in 2004 was "they came to me early to do a deal" and if he continued to play well, that would happen again.
I'm surprised the bald-headed mouthpiece hasn't ripped Sheldon a new one yet.
it makes me sick when people scream and yell at these guys to honor their deal when the team can cut the guy anytime it wants
im not saying there arent douchebag players who try to cake off when they shouldnt...if shawn andrews comes out this year and talks new deal ill be the first one to say hes doesnt deserve one yet...but jesus sheldons siutation is almost the perfect storm of the player being in the right...excellent player...been a good soldier...isnt super old...has been playing below market value...and has been doing so for five years
if youre against him here then you are a complete schill for management and theres no hope for you
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 09:18:11 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:16:42 PM
why the farg did you sign the extension idiot.
because the eagles said to him if you do us one by signing early we will do you one if you play up to or past the level of the extension...little did sheldon know they mean do him up the ass
::) ::) yeah I'm sure if they said that he wouldn't mention it :-D
First, he told the Daily News his reasoning when he signed the contract extension in 2004 was "they came to me early to do a deal" and if he continued to play well, that would happen again.
Did they say that, or is that what he thought? big difference.
Yay for this situation!
QuoteAsked if the dispute might affect his play, should the Eagles stick to their vow not to trade him, Brown said: "It might. You never know. It's certainly something I'm going to be answering questions about all season long."
Sheldon may have a good argument to make if he sits down with management and lays out his accomplishments over the last couple of years, but comments like the quote above aren't going to help him. He sounds incredibly whiny and I think he just needs to step back and probably should have kept it in house for the time being. If anything he should know how the Eagles operate and how going public just exacerbates the situation and makes re-negotiation slight. I don't know if I've ever seen the Eagles release a statement that quickly and that pointed -- it seems like this definitely hit a nerve, especially since the Eagles think they are doing him a favor by locking him up relatively early in his career and giving him the security of a long-term deal. With all the problems these 'lock them up' early deals have brought the Eagles, you'd think a re-assessment of the strategy might take place soon. But at the same time, you'd think that if players are so upset with long-term deals, that they would be more than happy to play on a bunch of successive one year contracts and take the risk of becoming irrelevant from one year to the next.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:31:48 PM
Did they say that, or is that what he thought? big difference.
lol...youre clearly looking for any possible to reason to blame the player..regardless of all possible evidence pointing to the contrary...nothing i or anyone else says is going to change your mind
like i said if you blame sheldon here then you have some sort of unhealthy relationship with banner inc. or you just despise players for some reason
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 20, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
The problem for the Eagles is that the market rate for a starting CB has gone way up.
The problem for Sheldon is that he hasn't far outplayed the expectations of his existing contract.
I would like them to give him some more money. I like his style of play. But, he's not irreplaceable, so whatever.
Wait, so this is taking the FO's side? Really? Do I have to picket the NovaCare complex on Sheldon's behalf to be "middle of the road?"
pretty sure no ones talking to you
Sorry, back to your predictable and repetitive "argument" with phillymic, then.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:31:48 PM
Did they say that, or is that what he thought? big difference.
lol...youre clearly looking for any possible to reason to blame the player..regardless of all possible evidence pointing to the contrary...nothing i or anyone else says is going to change your mind
like i said if you blame sheldon here then you have some sort of unhealthy relationship with banner inc. or you just despise players for some reason
Oh igy always trying to paint someone who doesn't fall in line with your thinking a hater. Is that what he said, or what they told him? simple question. If they did tell him that, then he has a point. If he assumed that then he is an idiot.
its an irrelevant point
why do you hold sheldon brown to a standard that he must honor the entire length of his deal but you dont hold the team to that same expectation
How are the eagles not honoring his deal? are you saying what you say/type is not relevant? you did post it.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:51:03 PM
How are the eagles not honoring his deal? are you saying what you say/type is not relevant? you did post it.
question: when the eagles cut reggie brown this summer are you gonna go to bat for him like youre going after sheldon in this case
http://www.eaglescap.com/Players/SheldonBrown.html (http://www.eaglescap.com/Players/SheldonBrown.html)
Please click on the link above for enlightenment.
Brown is done after 2009 and he knows it. Why? Because there's no security whatsoever left for him because the last three years of this "deal" offer no protection for him if he gets hurt. All the money remaining on this deal is "base salary". Understand what that means? It's means the only way he gets paid is if he plays.
Same goes for McNabb. He has roughly $50M left on his deal. Do any of you front office whores actually think the Eagles are going to come through on the remainder of the deal? Hahahaha. farg no. He's done too.
Brown will be over 30 next season and he's a defensive back. Yet some of you expect him to live up to the deal he signed.
That to me is hilarious.
the team wouldnt not honor those deals would they romey?...a contract is a contract...i mean why did the organization sign those deals way back when?
i think i figured it out...when a rich white guy does it hes a cap genius...when a young black kid does it hes an ignorant selfish prick
That's exactly my point. The Eagles point to a contract they likely have no intent in honoring and expect the player to take it and shut the farg up.
It's bullshtein, plain and simple.
in summation, neither players or teams ever let an nfl contract run it's course. and it only took 6 pages of posts before bringing it up. you guys are awesome.
it would never have to be brought up again if it wasnt for the army of people who come out and murder players for "not honoring a contract" and calling them dumbasses for signing a deal five farging years ago...which is a lifetime in nfl contract land...yet not holding the teams to the same standard
if people just looked at all nfl contracts as non binding and then looked at each individual renogotiation case on its own merits then made an educated decision about whos they think is right and who is wrong it would be a much better world and theyd find out that sometimes the player is being irrational and sometimes the team is...but the whole you MUST honor a signed contract or youre a douchbag view as if this is the real world and not pro football is so ignorant it makes me wanna hurt something
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 20, 2009, 09:51:03 PM
How are the eagles not honoring his deal? are you saying what you say/type is not relevant? you did post it.
question: when the eagles cut reggie brown this summer are you gonna go to bat for him like youre going after sheldon in this case
Instead of puff puff pass, igy likes to duck duck come up with a racist response. paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalease answer my question. Did the Eagles tell him that or is that your weak ass attempt to make scrappy look like the victim?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 09:59:01 PM
i think i figured it out...when a rich white guy does it hes a cap genius...when a young black kid does it hes an ignorant selfish prick
just like Jesse and Al, you are the first to pull out the race card :-D redunkulous
I didn't reference racism at all, yet for some reason you completely ignored my post outlining why Brown is right and the Eagles are wrong.
Shocking.
Facts are like kryptonite to some of you motherfargers.
im not running through six pages of ff front office suckling and igy and peanut gallary crying foul but suffice to say the smug, arrogant, elitist iceholes in the front office who have never won a superbowl and never will can go suck my ass hair.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2009, 09:46:57 PM
why do you hold sheldon brown to a standard that he must honor the entire length of his deal but you dont hold the team to that same expectation
Because that's what the CBA says? The players union could negotiate for totally guaranteed contracts if they would like. Of course the salaries under such contracts would likely be much, much less, but the owners would certainly be open to it if the union was willing to make such concessions. The players have decided that they want bigger, longer, non-guaranteed contracts (or to be more accurate, the union has decided that on their behalf). Of course a significant fraction of their salary actually IS guaranteed: the signing bonus.
Personally I don't think 100% guaranteed contracts would make sense in the NFL. The economics of the league work better when teams don't pay players who are cut; it saves the teams cash and raises the salary pool for all the players who ARE playing. The lack of a guarantee is extra incentive for players with long-term deals to remain competitive, too. There are a lot more guys on a football team than in other professional sports with guaranteed contracts, and the odds of serious injury are much higher too. Teams would be saddled down with salaries for twice as many guys as they have playing on the team. Splitting the money in the labor pool for each team 100 ways will have the primary short-term effect of shifting money from productive players to deadweight players. The long-term effect of guaranteed contracts will be that the vast majority of the league will be signing only 1 year contracts.
I don't really care what happens in this particular dispute as long as the end result is the one less damaging to the team I root for. But enough bitching about the lack of guaranteed contracts. I think the era of labor peace and relative parity has been good for the fans and for the sport, and it's made both the teams and players much, much more wealthy than their predecessors were. They farg with a winning formula at their own peril... and that goes for either the owners or the players.
Quote from: Rome on April 20, 2009, 10:15:51 PM
I didn't reference racism at all, yet for some reason you completely ignored my post outlining why Brown is right and the Eagles are wrong.
Shocking.
Facts are like kryptonite to some of you motherfargers.
i wasn't talking to you. shocking!
Yeah, I know. You'd rather get into an argument with IGY over racism than actually discuss the topic at hand. Not so shocking at all.
people in here are hysterical--never play both sides of the coin and always ready to blame management no matter what
the farging guy has 3 years left on his deal and has the potential to earn another 15 million--you have to set a precedent for your team. should every player that has 3 years left just come a knocking and ask for a raise pubicly because they feel they outperformed their contract...cmon now.
Im still trying to figure out why everyone is so enamored with Sheldon Brown. You cant live without all those int's, blazing speed and great hands.... or maybe its the stellar championship game performance he had?
Brown is a nice tackler and really good against a teams #2 and #3 receivers, but has consistently gotten crushed on the switch. Hes only worth the 5 million a year he has earned the past 2 years....so unless you think hes a shut down corner hes getting paid just fine and in the wrong for coming out like that...but keep blaming the FO
I don't care who's wrong between management and player really. farg em both. All I know is that this shtein brings the team down into the gutter and means we won't lose another NFC championship this year cause we won't even make the dance. Yay team! Go Gints!
an expanded article on the Eagle's quote
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090421_Birds_tell_Brown__No_trade__no_raise.html
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 21, 2009, 04:11:35 AM
an expanded article on the Eagle's quote
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090421_Birds_tell_Brown__No_trade__no_raise.html
QuoteThe Eagles obviously remember what Brown's agent, Jason Chayut, said when the cornerback signed a six-year contract extension potentially worth $30 million in the middle of the Eagles' 2004 run to the Super Bowl.
"We didn't need to do this now, but this deal was too attractive and too important not to get it done," Chayut said at the time. "They made him a multimillionaire, taking all the risk out of injury. He's set for life."
Well, then... I guess the team is totally in the wrong, right?
Come on, folks. There are two sides to this story. Try to make it black and white if you want, but there are no winners here.
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Eagles president Joe Banner was asked Sunday about the potential for contract disputes based on the lucrative deals the Eagles have given this off-season to new offensive tackles Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters. Banner admitted that it can be difficult to keep everybody happy.
The truth is, it's impossible. And now Brown is the newest dissenting voice in the Eagles' locker room.
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pretty sure banner and lurie are set for life as well and arent putting their future health on the line everyday like sheldon has and is...the market place says hes under paid...either pay him or go with iggywanoo...we will see how much the eagles truly want to win i suppose
when you create a culture like the eagles have this is what happens...when you treat legends like brian dawkins the way they did this is what happens..then you have lito who bitched his ass off for two years and got rewarded for it...sheldon is gonna be like ive done the right thing for five years and joselio hanson is making more than me??
chickens coming home to roost
Quote from: reese125 on April 20, 2009, 11:05:26 PM
Im still trying to figure out why everyone is so enamored with Sheldon Brown. You cant live without all those int's, blazing speed and great hands.... or maybe its the stellar championship game performance he had?
so unless you think hes a shut down corner hes getting paid just fine and in the wrong for coming out like that...but keep blaming the FO
name me ten all around corners in the nfl that are significantly better than sheldon brown
as for being paid just fine you clearly have no idea what corners around the nfl make
SHELDON BROWN CANNOT COVER ELITE WIDE RECEIVERS
He hasnt come close to outperforming his contract and the fact that theres 3 years left is laughable for him to come out and bitch. The FO is right on this one
You on the other hand will bitch about the FO until youre blue in the face regardless of any situation, so please continue about more farm animals coming home...
oh your 10 better than him--yeah no problem
1) Cortland Finnegan
2) Nnamdi Asomugha
3) Kelvin Hayden
4) Antonio Cromartie
5) Champ Bailey
6) Marcus Trufant
7) Charles Woodson
8) Darelle Revis
9) Antoine Winfield
10) Al Harris
and theres more I could throw up here....
the funniest part about the Eagles being so heavy handed about a contract is the fact that they just benefited from a player bitching about his contract in Peters.
hahaha @ al harris and hayden
cromartie gets absolutely toasted on the regular and last year he didnt even at least make big time plays to go along with it like he did in 07
winfield is a shell of his former self
theres a few guys on there that are clearly better bailey asomugha trufant...and there might be some youd rather have than sheldon because of age...but there isnt ten corners in the nfl that are significantly better than him...there isnt that many real good corners to begin with which is why the price of a good corner has skyrockeed inthe last several years
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 09:06:12 AM
the funniest part about the Eagles being so heavy handed about a contract is the fact that they just benefited from a player bitching about his contract in Peters.
yeah rhea brought that up on wip and has been talking about it all morning...banner inc are the ultimate hypocrites
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 09:06:12 AM
the funniest part about the Eagles being so heavy handed about a contract is the fact that they just benefited from a player bitching about his contract in Peters.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 09:12:45 AMwinfield is a shell of his former self
That's not really true. According to his stats, http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=1775 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=1775), last year was one of the best he's had.
football stats are largely meaningless especially at cb
he isnt a bum by any means...hes a good corner...but hes not even close to the lock down type corner he was when he left buffalo
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2009, 09:31:31 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 09:06:12 AM
the funniest part about the Eagles being so heavy handed about a contract is the fact that they just benefited from a player bitching about his contract in Peters.
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That is actually ironic. But ultimately, who was right in the Bills/Peters disagreement? Peters obviously ended up getting the better end of the disagreement, as evidenced by his massive shiny contract, but was it right for him to basically quit on his team? Should the Eagles have made an ethical stand and not signed him? Should the Eagles not be signing any very good players to big deals to avoid jealousy? Should they revisit the value of all of their contracts every year and look to re-up all players to market value? Maybe the league should just pay all players based on market value and performance, and take the teams' FO's out?
Seriously, fargtards... How you can take ANY side on this is beyond me. But have fun.
how can you take any side? you go case by case.
Westbrook = player
Lito = team
Sheldon = i lean towards player
when the eagles are a trillion dollars under the cap and were two minutes away from the superbowl they should take care of a top player on their team who is underpaid and at a position of no depth...otherwise you have to question their committment to winning...to spin this into some kind of moral stance is idiotic...this is about football and winning a title
the caveat here is if sheldon is asking for asante type money...and if thats what hes doing then he can go to hell
It's easy to take a side after the situations play out. I still think Lito has a solid argument that he got a raw deal. Westbrook has been so great for this team, that's it's hard to side against him. The team would be worse without Sheldon Brown, and he has been a solid and occasionally great Eagle. But even when he signed the last deal, his agent is on record as to why.
My sticking point on this is that Sheldon has not exceeded the expectations of that last deal. He's played a lot of games, and he's done well, but he's not significantly better than anyone thought he'd be. So, for him to sit out and DEMAND a new contract seems a bit too much. Still, I think the players have a right to try to get paid, as long as they live up to their existing contract in the mean time. Like Jason Peters, only the exact opposite.
Les Bowen is on the radio now saying that Sheldon has been asking to sit down through back channels and Banner wouldn't even meet with him. That's why Sheldon finally decided to come out public.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 12:19:54 PM
It's easy to take a side after the situations play out. I still think Lito has a solid argument that he got a raw deal. Westbrook has been so great for this team, that's it's hard to side against him. The team would be worse without Sheldon Brown, and he has been a solid and occasionally great Eagle. But even when he signed the last deal, his agent is on record as to why.
My sticking point on this is that Sheldon has not exceeded the expectations of that last deal. He's played a lot of games, and he's done well, but he's not significantly better than anyone thought he'd be. So, for him to sit out and DEMAND a new contract seems a bit too much. Still, I think the players have a right to try to get paid, as long as they live up to their existing contract in the mean time. Like Jason Peters, only the exact opposite.
so its appropriate that Joselio the Dong Hanson is getting paid more than him?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 21, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 12:19:54 PM
It's easy to take a side after the situations play out. I still think Lito has a solid argument that he got a raw deal. Westbrook has been so great for this team, that's it's hard to side against him. The team would be worse without Sheldon Brown, and he has been a solid and occasionally great Eagle. But even when he signed the last deal, his agent is on record as to why.
My sticking point on this is that Sheldon has not exceeded the expectations of that last deal. He's played a lot of games, and he's done well, but he's not significantly better than anyone thought he'd be. So, for him to sit out and DEMAND a new contract seems a bit too much. Still, I think the players have a right to try to get paid, as long as they live up to their existing contract in the mean time. Like Jason Peters, only the exact opposite.
so its appropriate that Joselio the Dong Hanson is getting paid more than him?
Yes, it absolutely is. A contract represents market value at a specific time. If Brown wanted to revisit his deal after three years, he should have signed a three-year deal, or at least had his agent set up an "out" if certain performance escalators are hit.
Do you guys think the Eagles are the only team that doesn't re-up everyone to the current market rate every time they ask?
sheldon has easily outplayed his deal...have you seen the market?...and im not talking about what samuel is being paid but like sb said look at a guy sitting next to him in the locker room in joselio hanson...or a daylon mcutceon...
no one is saying sheldon is champ bailey and should be compensated as such...but to say he hasnt outplayed his deal is just not true
and forget how good or not good you think sheldon is....look at the bigger and more important picture...the team...who is going to replace sheldon...the cupboard is completely bare...its not like with lito where you had sheldon and joselio to move up...now its joselio and iggywanoo or move demps over or whatever other plan f you have in mind...thats an incredibly large drop off for a team that should be trying to win now
I'm surprised that there's even a discussion about this. Sheldon should shut the farg up because he's going to lose to the front office on this one. Has he even been paying attention since he's been here? Banner and Reid stuck it to TO and to Lito, both Pro Bowl players with better skills and reputation around the league. Sheldon hasn't even sniffed the Pro Bowl, even in 2004 when only the whole freaking team went.
If he actually makes a statement about either the cap situation or Reid or Banner personally, he's digging his own grave.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 21, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 12:19:54 PM
It's easy to take a side after the situations play out. I still think Lito has a solid argument that he got a raw deal. Westbrook has been so great for this team, that's it's hard to side against him. The team would be worse without Sheldon Brown, and he has been a solid and occasionally great Eagle. But even when he signed the last deal, his agent is on record as to why.
My sticking point on this is that Sheldon has not exceeded the expectations of that last deal. He's played a lot of games, and he's done well, but he's not significantly better than anyone thought he'd be. So, for him to sit out and DEMAND a new contract seems a bit too much. Still, I think the players have a right to try to get paid, as long as they live up to their existing contract in the mean time. Like Jason Peters, only the exact opposite.
so its appropriate that Joselio the Dong Hanson is getting paid more than him?
joselio makes more money than sheldon because he gets paid by the inch.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 12:25:39 PM
If Brown wanted to revisit his deal after three years, he should have signed a three-year deal, or at least had his agent set up an "out" if certain performance escalators are hit.
thats not how the nfl works....the team trys to get a long term deal to spread shtein out and make it back end heavy and the player tries to get guaranteed money...the team evaulautes contracts every year and if they dont like the way its going they just cut the player...the only leverage a player has when he doesnt liek the way things are headed is to renegotiate...the fundemental lack of understanding on how the business works is staggering around here...this isnt like you or me closing on a mortgage and then deciding in five years we dont like our house payment...this is pro sports and more specifically pro football...its not the same as the real world
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
when the eagles are a trillion dollars under the cap and were two minutes away from the superbowl they should take care of a top player on their team who is underpaid and at a position of no depth...otherwise you have to question their committment to winning...to spin this into some kind of moral stance is idiotic...this is about football and winning a title
i've been doing that for about 3 years now.
I wouldn't say he's digging his own grave. I agree Reid & Co. will kick him to the curb, but as far as Sheldon's concerned that's a good thing
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
sheldon has easily outplayed his deal...have you seen the market?...and im not talking about what samuel is being paid but like sb said look at a guy sitting next to him in the locker room in joselio hanson...or a daylon mcutceon...
no one is saying sheldon is champ bailey and should be compensated as such...but to say he hasnt outplayed his deal is just not true
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 12:25:39 PM
Do you guys think the Eagles are the only team that doesn't re-up everyone to the current market rate every time they ask?
The fact is that if he were on the open market, he WOULD be getting a pay raise. But he's not. Instead of playing out his rookie deal and then getting caked, he went for the easy out of the "interim" deal. Maybe he planned to do it all along, maybe not. But just because the new deals guys are getting make his look smaller doesn't mean he's OUTPERFORMED the deal he signed. He hasn't. They expected him to be a solid starter, and that's exactly what he is. But again, he has a right to ASK. If Banner and company wouldn't even entertain it or hear him out, THAT is the farging problem.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
look at the bigger and more important picture...the team...who is going to replace sheldon...the cupboard is completely bare...its not like with lito where you had sheldon and joselio to move up...now its joselio and iggywanoo or move demps over or whatever other plan f you have in mind...thats an incredibly large drop off for a team that should be trying to win now
I have a problem with this too. As a fan, I would like this to go away any way possible so Sheldon can line up this season. If he holds out or gets traded, the Eagles are worse off. The situation just sucks.
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 12:22:06 PM
Les Bowen is on the radio now saying that Sheldon has been asking to sit down through back channels and Banner wouldn't even meet with him. That's why Sheldon finally decided to come out public.
THAT is the problem. That is ALWAYS the problem. Give your farging players an ounce of respect.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2009, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 12:22:06 PM
Les Bowen is on the radio now saying that Sheldon has been asking to sit down through back channels and Banner wouldn't even meet with him. That's why Sheldon finally decided to come out public.
THAT is the problem. That is ALWAYS the problem. Give your farging players an ounce of respect.
I would love for someone to disagree with this.
Quote from: cj2112 on April 21, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
Sheldon should shut the farg up because he's going to lose to the front office on this one. Has he even been paying attention since he's been here? Banner and Reid stuck it to TO and to Lito, both Pro Bowl players with better skills and reputation around the league.
Both of them eventually got what they wanted. There is no losing for players in these situations. Someone else is always willing to pay them, the only question is when.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 21, 2009, 12:30:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
when the eagles are a trillion dollars under the cap and were two minutes away from the superbowl they should take care of a top player on their team who is underpaid and at a position of no depth...otherwise you have to question their committment to winning...to spin this into some kind of moral stance is idiotic...this is about football and winning a title
i've been doing that for about 3 years now.
Winning is not, and has never been their goal. Their goal is making money. Making the playoffs on the cheap means you buy more crap, watch more games, and sometimes buy more increasingly expensive tickets.
Quote from: cj2112 on April 21, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
I'm surprised that there's even a discussion about this. Sheldon should shut the farg up because he's going to lose to the front office on this one. Has he even been paying attention since he's been here? Banner and Reid stuck it to TO and to Lito, both Pro Bowl players with better skills and reputation around the league. Sheldon hasn't even sniffed the Pro Bowl, even in 2004 when only the whole freaking team went.
lolol @ banner sticking it to TO and lito...both got caked off after leaving the eagles
and yes sheldon is payin attention...he saw his buddy lito get out for more money and he saw peters just roll into the locker room after doing the same thing in buffalo...im not saying he will win this battle but everything he sees around him says he will
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2009, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 12:22:06 PM
Les Bowen is on the radio now saying that Sheldon has been asking to sit down through back channels and Banner wouldn't even meet with him. That's why Sheldon finally decided to come out public.
THAT is the problem. That is ALWAYS the problem. Give your farging players an ounce of respect.
forget banner meeting with him...sheldon couldnt even get banners evil assistant to meet with him...the birds are the worst people person organization ive ever seen...banners napolean/revenge of the nerds complex is sickening
the eagles are the wal-mart of the nfl.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 12:38:45 PM
both got caked off after leaving the eagles
pretty sure Lito would not have agreed to this contract (http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/jets-extend-lito.html) with the Eagles - less than $5m a season is not getting caked off to a starting CB (for evidence, ask Sheldon Brown)
At this point, I hope Sheldon gets traded, gets a new contract, and maybe has a shot or two to win a superbowl. Westbrook and Sheldon for Boldin and a 3rd!
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2009, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 12:22:06 PM
Les Bowen is on the radio now saying that Sheldon has been asking to sit down through back channels and Banner wouldn't even meet with him. That's why Sheldon finally decided to come out public.
THAT is the problem. That is ALWAYS the problem. Give your farging players an ounce of respect.
I would love for someone to disagree with this.
I disagree
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 21, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2009, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 12:22:06 PM
Les Bowen is on the radio now saying that Sheldon has been asking to sit down through back channels and Banner wouldn't even meet with him. That's why Sheldon finally decided to come out public.
THAT is the problem. That is ALWAYS the problem. Give your farging players an ounce of respect.
I would love for someone to disagree with this.
I disagree
You. PG. Parking lot. She is going to kick your guinea ass.
I've taken six shteins today. Six!
Quote from: rjs246 on April 21, 2009, 12:44:47 PM
I've taken six shteins today. Six!
That is an increase over your expected performance, and you should demand a new contract.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 21, 2009, 12:44:47 PM
I've taken six shteins today. Six!
I haven't taken any. I think it has something to do with my lack of caffeine.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 21, 2009, 12:44:47 PM
I've taken six shteins today. Six!
This lite beer blind taste test can't be good for you.
Sheldon for Chad Johnson. Straight up.
Sheldon for Lito?
iggywanoos bong for a case of miller lite
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 12:56:43 PM
iggywanoos bong for a case of miller lite
I'm trying to figure out who gets the better deal there. I think both parties come out happy.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 21, 2009, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 12:56:43 PM
iggywanoos bong for a case of miller lite
I'm trying to figure out who gets the better deal there. I think both parties come out happy.
Miller Lite if it's just the bong.
Bong if it includes teh smokey smokey.
Focus, people. Someone's bong being traded does not make Sheldon happy!
Are you attempting to kill my attempt to kill this thread?
This thread won't die for good until Sheldon is no longer affiliated with the Eagles. This thread won't fade back too far until Sheldon becomes irrelevant to the team on the field, like Lito did last year.
If you don't think the next step is Joselio "getting in there and competing" for a starting spot, youze is crazy.
I'm attempting to curb drug use around the league by keeping as many bongs in Philly as possible.
Brookover (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/BROWN_SAYS_OTHER_EAGLES_FEEL_THE_SAME_WAY.html)
Quote"Without a doubt there are going to be more problems. I'm not the first guy and I'm not going to be the last guy. What's the incentive for guys like Trent Cole and Mike Patterson to play above their heads? Everybody's situation is different and everybody handles their business in a different way. This situation could have been handled in a different way. I was forced to put it out there."
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"Joe did an interview with 610 and he said my contract has not been presented as an issue. I take that personal. My agent has been talking to him for four months. (Banner) was throwing him off to some guy I don't even know. (Andrew Brandt)"
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"Everybody is saying this is only about the money and that I don't know what's going on in the world. Don't you think I have family members who live in the real world? Don't you think I have family that has struggled in this recession? I'm not worried about how people feel about me. When I'm done playing football, I'm going back to South Carolina and I won't have to listen to 610 or Joe Banner. Everybody has the right to their opinion, but if you think it's about the money, you're crazy."
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"When I did the deal, I knew it was a good deal. Nobody could anticipate that the CBA was going to go up 40 to 50 percent. Nobody wants to talk about the owners being billionaires and how they won't open their books."
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"It's not like I'm trying to get near the top of the tier. I want them to pay me somewhere in the middle of the pack."
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I have considered (holdouts). I'll deal with that stuff when it comes around. I'm really not in the right state of mind to talk about it right now. I didn't want it to get to this point. I tried to handle this in a professional way."
That's it. Spread that shtein around. Convince other players that they're unhappy too. Yes yes, this is the misery that we all want to wallow in.
I honestly can't help but take his side when reading that.
"It's not about the money"
That's hilarious
like i said chickens coming home to roost for this administration
hopefully this comes to a head somewhere down the line and banner inc eventually gets sick of it sell the franchise to someone from philly and move the farg back to boston
You think Bill Cosby has a billion dollars sitting around, waiting for a rainy day?
He would put on his sweater, bring Sheldon into his office, and explain to him the value of a dollar earned. Only problem is that he might call him "Theo" a couple of times by accident.
coz gamble/huff and stephen starr pool their piggy banks
Stephen Starr is a massive douche and would probably nickel and dime these guys even worse.
But the refreshments would improve.
the bottom line is they need to scrap this policy. it was decent when you actually had to maneuver the cap, but even then it had risk because if you extended a bum (reggie brown) you're stuck with a player and a big contract you don't want.
they need to draft players, let them play their rookie contacts until 1 or 2 years left and then extend them if they are worthy. stop trying to outsmart everybody. the negative outweighs the positive.
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 03:11:21 PM
the bottom line is they need to scrap this policy. it was decent when you actually had to maneuver the cap, but even then it had risk because if you extended a bum (reggie brown) you're stuck with a player and a big contract you don't want.
they need to draft players, let them play their rookie contacts until 1 or 2 years left and then extend them if they are worthy. stop trying to outsmart everybody. the negative outweighs the positive.
another ding.
What exactly has Sheldon Brown done to deserve a revised contract?
Quote from: MURP on April 21, 2009, 03:51:49 PM
What exactly has Sheldon Brown done to deserve a revised contract?
Apparently all he really did was not suck and stay with the team long enough for inflation to make his contract look less than it really is.
When all is said in done he'll still get his 30 million over 6 years. Just because one years base salary is lower than others doesn't mean he's getting paid any less.
However, Joe Banner is a farging funholebucket and needs to stop jewing around all these players. You can afford to throw an extra 5 mil at him...so throw an extra 5 mil at him.
brian baldinger who i respect as much as anyone when it comes to scouting football and who knows more and watches more film than all of us put together said on wip a little while ago that sheldon is a top 10 corner in the nfl
one thing you have to remember is that while sheldon isnt deion sanders the quality of corners in the league right now is at a very low level...regardless sheldon is a top ten or close to top ten corner but is about 40-45th as far as where he is being paid
I'm friggen' sick of players crying for long term deals because they want security for their families, and then pissing and moaning that they aren't making enough after the contract they signed becomes outdated compared to other players at their position. Farg 'em.
yeah, farg those players...go billionaires!
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 04:07:59 PM
yeah, farg those players...go billionaires!
Yeah, let's all hate the front office because Lurie is a billionaire who won't throw money at players that are already under contract. He should be more like Dan Snyder, then we would all luv him.
throwing huge money at old zesty free agents is not exactly the same thing as giving your own very good underpaid cornerback a few extra bucks
no one is saying lurie should have thrown the bank at torry holt...just that he should do right by sheldon
i suspect lurie has very little to do with any of this anyway...hell he admitted he should have talked to dawk before he left...so i doubt hes had anything to do with sheldon
Who are the 40 other cornerbacks that signed at least a 6 year 30 million dollar contract?
And in reality...where did his level of play exceed that level of salary? He's a nice steady player, and from what I can tell he's being paid like one. If he's broke he should ask Asante for a loan.
he signed for 9 years at about 25 mil...over ten mil of which he has not even seen yet and theres a good chance he wont...so figure hes played at a very high level for five years and made about 12 mil
people who know the cb position put him in the top 10 best cb's in the league...if thats not outplaying that contract i dont know what is
You can make a top ten argument, sure.
Sheldon has every right to ask for a raise, we all do. But the employer has a right to refuse too.
I am going to sit here and wait for the list of 40 NFL corners that have an average yearly income higher than Sheldon Brown.
oh definitely the team has a right to refuse him and go with a half assed sheldon or an iggywanoo...hopefully it doesnt come to that and either sheldon comes around on his stance or the team cakes him off...because their depth at corner is brutal
i dont know where on the intenet is a list but its been cited ad nauseum since this all happened...for example joselio makes more than him
Derrick Gunn is going to be interviewing Joe Banner at 6pm on CSN.
Thrills, I'm sure.
I need to Banner-proof my TV.
Quote from: MURP on April 21, 2009, 03:51:49 PM
What exactly has Sheldon Brown done to deserve a revised contract?
Your dinner will likely be poisoned tonight.
I said earlier that he has 3 years left, but he has 4 years left which makes his stance even more ridiculous. Sheldon admits hes a middle of the pack corner that deserves a raise 2 years in? Ha...that definitely gives him a leg to stand on huh?
Sheldon forgot to check his birth certificate that explains clearly to him that hes 30 years old and there is no market for him if he wanted to get traded and get a new deal. You want to bitch to the world dont do it against the FO, bitch to your dumbass agent that didnt negotiate for any escalator clauses in your new shiny contract because the market only changes what...every friggin year. Nobody forced him to sign that "under paid" extension.
You want find many football guys around the league that agree Sheldon is a stud corner except Brian Baldinger and IGY
IGY doesn't even think he's a stud.
Bottom lines:
The FO should have respected his request more than they apparently did, even if they eventually decline anyway.
Sheldon should not have gone public like he did. Borderline retarded.
would anybody have known if they would've guaranteed a few years at the end or thrown him some of their mountain of cash back in January?
Quote from: bukowski on April 21, 2009, 04:45:21 PM
I am going to sit here and wait for the list of 40 NFL corners that have an average yearly income higher than Sheldon Brown.
I can't supply you with a list nor do I have the time or patience to look it up, but Missanelli had Moose Johnston and Vai Sikahema on his show and it was mentioned that he's the 34th highest paid CB in the league.
Vai had some good points about them signing a backup (Hanson) to a larger deal and the stupidity of thinking Sheldon Brown would just sit there in silence. He also spoke out about the end of Banners idiotic statement that Brown is just hurting himself. (Germany 1933-1945)
What do you mean, "Would anybody have known...?"
Freak.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 05:17:05 PM
IGY doesn't even think he's a stud.
Bottom lines:
The FO should have respected his request more than they apparently did, even if they eventually decline anyway.
Sheldon should not have gone public like he did. Borderline retarded.
respect what? that the eagles tried to capitalize on a player just like sheldons agent tried to capitalize on an extension?
you think a business wants to hear every player 2 years in come out to the public like that..of course they were pissed.
listen, Im not a fan of the eagles way of business majority of the time...but in this case I agre with you sheldon was a jackass after just seeing his fellow teammate piss and moan, play sparingly and leaving for a cool $1 million dollar more. Is that worth the fight, especially when you will be 31 yrs old next year and youre a middle of the pack corner...good luck
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 05:22:39 PM
What do you mean, "Would anybody have known...?"
Freak.
It's like when you cup your hand over your ass, fart and smell it. Would anybody have known...?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 05:22:39 PM
What do you mean, "Would anybody have known...?"
Freak.
it would've been a blurb at the bottom of a notes section and it would've been done.
now it's another huge PR hit to the Eagles
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 21, 2009, 05:22:01 PM
(Germany 1933-1945)
i didn't get this reference so i looked it up in a history book but the pages were blank.
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 05:26:49 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 21, 2009, 05:22:39 PM
What do you mean, "Would anybody have known...?"
Freak.
it would've been a blurb at the bottom of a notes section and it would've been done.
now it's another huge PR hit to the Eagles
You don't pay "hush money" to every player that asks for it. What the farg, man? You SHOULD, however, hear out his reasoning and not pawn him off on one of your paper jockeys.
it's not hush money. it's professionally handling a employer/employee issue without bringing the tri-state area into it.
you should know by now the Philadelphia Eagles will never re-negotiate with terrorists
so the next call they make is to the seals?
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 05:36:49 PM
it's not hush money. it's professionally handling a employer/employee issue without bringing the tri-state area into it.
Why does "professionally handling" automatically mean that he gets what he wants, though?
Sheldon signed the deal and doesn't deserve a new one.
Sheldon outplayed the deal and deserves a healthy raise to bring in into range with the better paid corners in the league.
The end.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2009, 04:32:53 PM
he signed for 9 years at about 25 mil...
Jesus Christ, a 9 year contract?
just to have more to argue about
Sheldon Brown rankings against other NFL Cornerbacks last season:
ranked 42nd in tackles
tied for 24th in passes defended
tied for 32nd in interceptions
add that up and he is the 33rd ranked Cornerback statistically for what can be measured. I suppose someone will say he is a top 10 corner and they never threw his way...
So he needs like a 5% pay raise. Problem solved!
Quote from: MURP on April 21, 2009, 06:13:46 PM
just to have more to argue about
Sheldon Brown rankings against other NFL Cornerbacks last season:
ranked 42nd in tackles
tied for 24th in passes defended
tied for 32nd in interceptions
add that up and he is the 33rd ranked Cornerback statistically for what can be measured. I suppose someone will say he is a top 10 corner and they never threw his way...
So, your food is definitely poisoned now, and she's probably packing up her stuff.
Quote from: SunMo on April 21, 2009, 05:36:49 PM
it's not hush money. it's professionally handling a employer/employee issue without bringing the tri-state area into it.
Sheldon Brown came out with this to the press if I am not mistaken.
Only after Banner publicly disavowed any knowledge of his attempts at renegotiation.
Banner is a lying scumbag weasel. He's a perfect hatchet man for Lurie and that's why he's still skulking around NovaCare. Personally I hope the little farghead dies screaming, but that's just me.
QuoteHow Does Brown Situation Impact Draft Plans?
Now that it is out in the open, that cornerback Sheldon Brown wants a new contract or a trade, and that the Eagles have said no thanks, where does that leave the situation? Business is business and it is handled in these months, but we've been through the unhappy-cornerback story before and it ended with an unproductive player (Lito Sheppard) who was eventually traded.
This time?
It's clear through the statement they made that the Eagles have no plans to re-work a contract with Brown that has four years remaining. What isn't clear is how Brown will react to that and, the bigger picture, what the Eagles plan to do to make sure they are prepared for every scenario in the upcoming season.
Will the Eagles, then, just to be sure, use a high draft pick on a cornerback to groom? Are there any cornerbacks who can step right in and play well as rookies?
Let's examine the cornerback depth on this roster. Asante Samuel is a Pro Bowl player who delivered in his first year as an Eagle and should only be more productive as his comfort level grows in the defense. Samuel is the team's big-game cornerback, as he showed in last year's playoffs. He is the ace at left cornerback.
Brown has been a good, solid, reliable cornerback in his career here. He has been an ironman at right corner, playing in 124 games. He is a good football player and it is hard to imagine that Brown would carry the contract issue once the football side of things comes into focus. Brown is a respected player, a team leader and someone who has always answered the call to duty.
However, if Brown does not respond in a positive manner, the Eagles have to make sure they have themselves covered. Joselio Hanson is the team's third cornerback and he is an emerging player who is probably best suited to play as a nickel cornerback. Hanson would probably be OK as a starter, but he excels as a third cornerback as Brown slides into the slot and Hanson takes an outside position on the right side of the defense.
The Eagles have three cornerbacks who have it on the field in the NFL. That's good. It's also not enough, so even before Brown's dissatisfaction became public, the Eagles knew they had to find an answer to add to the depth at cornerback.
Second-year man Jack Ikegwuonu is the next man in line, but what do the Eagles really know about him? They know he had first-round talent before he tore up his knee prior to last year's draft. They know he rehabbed the knee and that he is physically ready to take the field in the post-draft mini-camp. They know he has had some off-the-field issues in college. They know that he has a lot to prove in terms of how he approaches the game to convince the coaching staff that he is mature enough to handle everything that goes with playing at this level.
Dimitri Patterson saw some time in Kansas City and was added to the Eagles' roster late in the 2008 season. I don't know a whole lot about him, other than he has NFL experience, has decent size and the Eagles are going to give him a long, long look. Trae Williams was a practice squad player for the Eagles last year and they liked him enough to sign him, so he will get a real chance to make this team, too.
Is it enough, though? With or without Brown's situation, I believe, the Eagles would probably be best served to see if there is a cornerback who can help the depth here. They would love Ikegwuonu to step up. The opportunity is there. Patterson is certainly here with some credentials. He has been in the league and he has hung around long enough to know what it takes to win a job.
But the Eagles have 10 draft picks, and they have some pretty narrow needs. Running back, yes. Tight end, of course. Wide receiver, maybe. Defensive line, always.
Why not a cornerback? Maybe not at 21, but why not package a couple of those fifth-round picks and add an extra fourth-round selection to take a cornerback? Or what about looking in the second or third round for a player who can challenge for playing time right away and who can be a starter in the not-too-distant future?
The Eagles value the position, as we've seen. They have dedicated a lot of resources to cornerback. Even before Brown's story broke, the need was there. It can't hurt to have more competition at the corner. The Eagles have the luxury of owning 10 draft picks and not having a lot of screaming-in-your-face needs.
So taking a cornerback wouldn't be a sign to Brown or a threat or any such nonsense. It would be a good football decision, and one that makes a lot of sense for the Eagles at some point in this draft.
I seriously don't know how this guy sleeps at night.
He's a soldier.
banner literally would not meet with one of the longest tenured birds to even minimally discuss a renegotiation...even more amazing is he put his minion on the case who also stood up sheldon..and they wonder why they have so many problems with players...this will never change until lurie balls up and removes banner inc from running the team or straight up sells the team
btw man does romey get it
and sun makes an excellent point...when sheldon brought this up last year the team could have said sure well take a look then after the season ended gave him a modest re-do and moved on...no one would have blinked and they still would have had gobs of money under the cap..problem solved...now they are looking at a cb position that could be in a shambles
As long as you agree that Sheldon probably should not have spouted off on ESPN, I think we're all set.
The only reason Sheldon would have had not to spout off is if he wanted to remain an Eagle. Sure maybe he gives up a little extra money he could have made from another team if a trade came about under quieter circumstances, but he also guaranteed the Eagles don't get as much for him either.
I'm glad he did. If someone as universally respected as Sheldon Brown calls out that four-eyed corksucker in the national media, you know things are (1) nearly broken beyond repair, and (2) coming to a head.
I personally think this situation is much worse than the Ed Wade fiasco because as loathsome as Wade was, he wasn't deliberately evil like Banner. What's sad and more than a little shocking to me is just how much slack he's getting from rank & file Eagles fans over this. He basically told one of the greatest players and certainly one of the most beloved figures in the history of the franchise to take a farging hike this offseason, and now this.
Just unreal.
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 21, 2009, 08:18:11 PM
The only reason Sheldon would have had not to spout off is if he wanted to remain an Eagle. Sure maybe he gives up a little extra money he could have made from another team if a trade came about under quieter circumstances, but he also guaranteed the Eagles don't get as much for him either.
i honestly dont think he gives a shtein...i think hes so upset with banner inc. that the little extra money he could make or what the eagles could get for him is meaningless
Quote from: Rome on April 21, 2009, 08:22:55 PM
I'm glad he did. If someone as universally respected as Sheldon Brown calls out that four-eyed corksucker in the national media, you know things are (1) nearly broken beyond repair, and (2) coming to a head.
They'll turn over the whole roster again before anything changes in the front office.
^^^^
unfortunately true
altho once their security blanket mcnabb is gone and they not only dont have a qb advantage most games but actually put that bum cobb in i see an implosion and maybe that shakes things up...thats a big maybe tho
Once McNabb, Westbrook, and Sheldon are gone, Andy will still be coaching with a long-term deal. Banner will still be telling players to go farg themselves. Lurie still won't give a shtein how he or his franchise look to the people who just can't wait to hand him money.
So how long until he fires his agent and hires Rosenhaus?
Front page of CSN (http://csnphilly.com) has exclusive DGunn interviews with Sheldon and Banner. Banner brings up Demarcus Ware making $1M this year and Tom Brady making like 1/2 or 1/3 what Cassel is but they aren't bitching...
So he says he wants to be middle of the pack in salary. He's paid 36th highest, and there are 64 starting corners in the NFL. What's the problem here?
I'd rather see Hanson start than listen to this douche anymore. Not like it'll make a difference anyway. Until fat-ass leaves, the Birds ain't winning shtein.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 22, 2009, 07:51:04 AM
I'd rather see Hanson start than listen to this douche anymore. Not like it'll make a difference anyway. Until fat-ass leaves, the Birds ain't winning shtein.
they should have never acquired peters (who did the same thing sheldon is doing now damn uppity players) or andrews then....thats a lot of money to guys who arent going to help them win shtein anyway
Whatever. If Brown wanted that huge payday, he shouldn't have signed a long-term contract. He sure wasn't bitching when they handed him $8MM 5 years ago. He could've let his rookie contract go the distance and tested free agency, like Nate Clements did, then he could have his $90MM contract too. But he didn't, he settled for a little less money so that if he broke his neck he'd be set anyway. Now he wants it both ways. farg him. I'm sure all the people that got laid off in the last year from jobs making 1/100 or less of his salary are highly sympathetic.
And of course Reid thinks he can win it all with Andrews and Peters. He's too stupid to recognize his own incompetence.
right im saying you should be against the acquisitions of andrews and especially peters...why pay out that much money (waaaaay more than sheldon wants) for guys who arent going to win anything for you?
i mean are you against peters getting all that money as much as youre sheldon asking for a little bit more?
Sheldon asking is not the problem. Sheldon asking and getting the stinkfist from Joe Banner is a problem. Sheldon getting the stinkfist and going public about it is a problem.
But as others have said, he hasn't outplayed anything. The cap has gone up higher than he expected when he signed his last deal, and guys are getting some serious money (including Samuel, Andrews, and Peters from the Eagles).
Obviously, there are some on here who choose to accentuate one side's faults here over the other. In the end, Sheldon is paid relatively fairly and is under contract. He's played all his cards except for sitting out, and the Eagles will not be as good a team if he does. But, will they suck? Will they beg him to come back and throw a bunch of money at him? Nope. His best hope would be to get Lito'd.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2009, 08:24:27 AM
Sheldon asking is not the problem. Sheldon asking and getting the stinkfist from Joe Banner is a problem.
This is ALWAYS the problem though. Always.
Every year.
But still, the end result is that no matter how nice they played with Sheldon, they wouldn't have paid him.
Then, you're back to arguing that he "deserves" a raise, and that's a tough sell. Hell, you can't even convince MURP. :evil
to my knowledge he hasnt asked for a raise...has he?
all they had to do was guarantee the last three years of his current deal and it would be over...but nooooooo banner inc. has to always take a fleshpopish stand against even the best most popular players on the team
It's going to be special 4-5 years down the line when Pimp gets the stiffarm from Banner.
not just Pimp... you'll be seeing many more slightly above average players coming out 2 years into their contract bitching because for some strange odd reason their not getting paid like others around the league
Its also comforting to know that if they do not sign one of those special deal early in their careers they will be either on the bench, shown limited playing time, or released with the quickness.
i think its funny as all this is going on the eagles also wrote a letter to the philadelphia inquirer today bitching about the city wanting their money that the eagles owe them
its not just football players that the eagles farg with its major american cities as well
Well, I guess the Eagles will have to only sign superstuds and bums. Middle-of-the-road guys are a pain in the ass.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/nwp2005/banner_stiffarm.jpg)
My. God.
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Quote"I saw that Sheldon said this wasn't about the money, but I think it has always been about the money," Banner said. "We've asked the agent if there was anything else we could do for Sheldon and we were always told it was about the money. I'd love to hear what it is about if it's not about that."
Point for Banner on this one...
Quote
Paul Domowitch: Sheldon Brown's situation with Eagles isn't clear-cut
By Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
SHELDON BROWN has been the ultimate team player during his seven seasons with the Eagles. Whatever they've asked the cornerback to do, he's done without complaint, and done it well.
Left side or right? Didn't matter to him. Inside or outside? Whatever defensive coordinator Jim Johnson wanted.
When the Eagles signed Asante Samuel last March and inserted him at left cornerback ahead of Brown's pal, Lito Sheppard, Brown made the incredible offer to give up his starting job and move to nickel so that Sheppard could stay on the field.
When Johnson took Brown out of the Eagles' nickel package for a couple of games last year so that he could get Sheppard and Joselio Hanson on the field, Brown never second-guessed the decision. When there was talk about the possibility of moving Brown to safety to make room for both Samuel and Sheppard, he played the good soldier and said he'd do whatever Johnson wanted.
While he's never been the most talented of Johnson's chess pieces, he's definitely been the most dependable. And, as he pointed out to the Inquirer last month, "sometimes dependability is better than ability."
Sheppard, who was selected 33 spots ahead of Brown in the 2002 draft, had more ability, but squandered much of it and was about as durable as a hothouse orchid. He forever seemed to be battling one injury or another. His inability or unwillingness to play hurt frustrated Johnson to no end.
But Brown has answered the bell every single week of his career. Hasn't missed a game since the Eagles drafted him. Has started 88 straight games. Played the entire '03 season with a sports hernia, which tells you a little something about the guy's pain threshold.
He's an overachiever who has maximized every drop of talent in his body through hard work and dedication and toughness. And now, he just wants the Eagles to show a little appreciation for all he's done and upgrade the contract extension he signed 5 years ago. The one that came with a $7.5 million signing bonus. The one that will pay him just $2 million this season. The one that still has 4 years left to run.
I understand his frustration. His current contract looks like chump change today compared to a lot of the sweet deals that have been handed out to players at his position the last 2 to 3 years, including the 6-year, $57 million deal the Eagles gave Samuel last year.
But Samuel had two things going for him that Brown does not. The first was that he was a free agent. The second was his age. He was 27 when he signed with the Eagles.
Brown turned 30 in March. While he had a solid season last year, his biological clock clearly is ticking.
According to my research, the average age of the league's 64 projected '09 starting corners is 27.1. Right now, Brown is the 13th oldest starting corner on that list. There are just five starting corners in the league older than 32 - the Packers' Al Harris, the Patriots' Shawn Springs, the 49ers' Walt Harris, the Buccaneers' Ronde Barber and the Titans' Nick Harper - all of whom are 34.
They don't give out gold watches in the NFL. And as cold as this may sound, they don't pay for past performance. The whole idea of free agency is that if you can play, somebody out there will pay you. Brown's problem is he forfeited his shot at the gold of free agency 5 years ago when he signed his ridiculously long extension with the Eagles.
The easy thing right now is to rip the Eagles for being coldhearted. But the bottom line is, they really have no incentive to sweeten the pot for Brown, who probably has a year, maybe two, left as a starting-caliber corner.
And if Brown thinks somebody else out there is going to jump up, trade for him and give a 30-year-old cover guy the new deal that the Eagles won't, well, I think he's sorely mistaken. *
IGY seems to think that if they "simply" guarantee the rest of his existing deal, he'd be happy! Sunshine and puppies!
I really feel bad for Sheldon's money situation after watching this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAGuY6B0FBY)
from pft
QuoteAnd Brown is trying to drag some of his teammates into the fray.
"Without a doubt there are going to be more problems," Brown said, according to Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I'm not the first guy and I'm not going to be the last guy. What's the incentive for guys like Trent Cole and Mike Patterson to play above their heads? Everybody's situation is different and everybody handles their business in a different way. This situation could have been handled in a different way. I was forced to put it out there."
Ummm, maybe winning is. STFU already sheldon. You weren't
forced to do anything
why is that a point for him?
what does he mean when he says theyve asked the agent if theres anything they can do for sheldon
when sheldon says its not about the money hes saying right now its more about banner completely ignoring him brushing off meetings sending his minion to stand him up ect...of course six months or a year ago or whenever sheldon first contacted banner inc. is was all about the money
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2009, 10:08:22 AM
IGY seems to think that if they "simply" guarantee the rest of his existing deal, he'd be happy! Sunshine and puppies!
of course he would...if you knew anything about the contract game in the nfl youd know that this is sheldons last year of guaranteed money and hes 30...it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that the team is not going to honor those last three years...but if they would it would all be gravy...sad thing is its minimal money...but banner inc. wopuld rather tear the team apart than pay a few bucks
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 22, 2009, 10:12:06 AM
I really feel bad for Sheldon's money situation after watching this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAGuY6B0FBY)
Big Ben says hi. And "nice Harley."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2009, 10:08:14 AM
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Paul Domowitch: Sheldon Brown's situation with Eagles isn't clear-cut
They don't give out gold watches in the NFL. And as cold as this may sound, they don't pay for past performance. The whole idea of free agency is that if you can play, somebody out there will pay you. Brown's problem is he forfeited his shot at the gold of free agency 5 years ago when he signed his ridiculously long extension with the Eagles.
The easy thing right now is to rip the Eagles for being coldhearted. But the bottom line is, they really have no incentive to sweeten the pot for Brown, who probably has a year, maybe two, left as a starting-caliber corner.
And if Brown thinks somebody else out there is going to jump up, trade for him and give a 30-year-old cover guy the new deal that the Eagles won't, well, I think he's sorely mistaken. *
This seems to be the point that most people miss.
Teams don't pay for past performance for their own players, but they're always willing to pony up for everyone else's past performance.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2009, 10:08:14 AM
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Paul Domowitch: Sheldon Brown's situation with Eagles isn't clear-cut
By Paul Domowitch
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist
SHELDON BROWN has been the ultimate team player during his seven seasons with the Eagles. Whatever they've asked the cornerback to do, he's done without complaint, and done it well.
Left side or right? Didn't matter to him. Inside or outside? Whatever defensive coordinator Jim Johnson wanted.
When the Eagles signed Asante Samuel last March and inserted him at left cornerback ahead of Brown's pal, Lito Sheppard, Brown made the incredible offer to give up his starting job and move to nickel so that Sheppard could stay on the field.
When Johnson took Brown out of the Eagles' nickel package for a couple of games last year so that he could get Sheppard and Joselio Hanson on the field, Brown never second-guessed the decision. When there was talk about the possibility of moving Brown to safety to make room for both Samuel and Sheppard, he played the good soldier and said he'd do whatever Johnson wanted.
While he's never been the most talented of Johnson's chess pieces, he's definitely been the most dependable. And, as he pointed out to the Inquirer last month, "sometimes dependability is better than ability."
Sheppard, who was selected 33 spots ahead of Brown in the 2002 draft, had more ability, but squandered much of it and was about as durable as a hothouse orchid. He forever seemed to be battling one injury or another. His inability or unwillingness to play hurt frustrated Johnson to no end.
But Brown has answered the bell every single week of his career. Hasn't missed a game since the Eagles drafted him. Has started 88 straight games. Played the entire '03 season with a sports hernia, which tells you a little something about the guy's pain threshold.
He's an overachiever who has maximized every drop of talent in his body through hard work and dedication and toughness. And now, he just wants the Eagles to show a little appreciation for all he's done and upgrade the contract extension he signed 5 years ago. The one that came with a $7.5 million signing bonus. The one that will pay him just $2 million this season. The one that still has 4 years left to run.
I understand his frustration. His current contract looks like chump change today compared to a lot of the sweet deals that have been handed out to players at his position the last 2 to 3 years, including the 6-year, $57 million deal the Eagles gave Samuel last year.
But Samuel had two things going for him that Brown does not. The first was that he was a free agent. The second was his age. He was 27 when he signed with the Eagles.
Brown turned 30 in March. While he had a solid season last year, his biological clock clearly is ticking.
According to my research, the average age of the league's 64 projected '09 starting corners is 27.1. Right now, Brown is the 13th oldest starting corner on that list. There are just five starting corners in the league older than 32 - the Packers' Al Harris, the Patriots' Shawn Springs, the 49ers' Walt Harris, the Buccaneers' Ronde Barber and the Titans' Nick Harper - all of whom are 34.
They don't give out gold watches in the NFL. And as cold as this may sound, they don't pay for past performance. The whole idea of free agency is that if you can play, somebody out there will pay you. Brown's problem is he forfeited his shot at the gold of free agency 5 years ago when he signed his ridiculously long extension with the Eagles.
The easy thing right now is to rip the Eagles for being coldhearted. But the bottom line is, they really have no incentive to sweeten the pot for Brown, who probably has a year, maybe two, left as a starting-caliber corner.
And if Brown thinks somebody else out there is going to jump up, trade for him and give a 30-year-old cover guy the new deal that the Eagles won't, well, I think he's sorely mistaken. *
I did not even know about some of the stuff mentioned in this article. About him offering his starting spot to Sheppard so he could start. Yeah lets get rid of guys like this more!
I'm so over this. Sheldon needs to STFU and gut out another year. What the hell is his agent thinking?
His agent is thinking "my client told me to get him off this sinking ship, so I'm going to do my job."
Trade him to the Bears for Cutler.
...and then back to Denver for Dawkins.
That plan makes about as much sense as Sheldon's plan to get a raise and Banner's plan to handle Sheldon's request combined.
So you think it has a good chance of happening?
Quote from: General_Failure on April 22, 2009, 12:46:11 PM
So you think it has a good chance of happening?
Based on Die-Hard's source, I'd say we're looking at about a 95% chance.
Great.
All we need is a "Dear Jerks" letter from rjs on this topic and we can move forward.
king on right now saying how he talked to sheldon a couple hours ago and it does not sound good at all...said he is incredibly bitter at the front office
sheldon said "re do the contract or trade me and i am adamant about wanting to be traded"
and
"you do not want me in that locker room"
iggywanoo era starts NOW
He's a punk bitch that can go farg himself.
im sure iggywanoo is a much better player and more importantly a much better person
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2009, 04:10:27 PM
king on right now saying how he talked to sheldon a couple hours ago and it does not sound good at all...said he is incredibly bitter at the front office
sheldon said "re do the contract or trade me and i am adamant about wanting to be traded"
and
"you do not want me in that locker room"
iggywanoo era starts NOW
something aint right with our boy Sheldon. He is the "model citizen" for years and then goes wild. This whole thing seems like one of the kids who gets picked on forever and then goes nuts.
You know Reid and company dont take threats well. If Sheldon is threatening to create problems in the locker room does that become "conduct detrimental to the team" ala TO ?
i think you can probably threaten anything you want...but to take money away it has to be proven at a hearing that you did something...i think sheldon is much more level headed and smarter than TO and wont go over the top
he also might be saying that they dont want him there because his play is going to suffer like litos did...hes well aware lito got what he wanted and it seems like he is angleing for that...
really the eagles are between a rock and a hard place because they need to know that they are gonna have him there 100% otherwise they dont want him there at all and they will need to move on and try and find a non iggywanoo replacement
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2009, 04:10:27 PM
king on right now saying how he talked to sheldon a couple hours ago and it does not sound good at all...said he is incredibly bitter at the front office
sheldon said "re do the contract or trade me and i am adamant about wanting to be traded"
and
"you do not want me in that locker room"
iggywanoo era starts NOW
Yeah, good job Sheldon. Be just like TO...
So much for my Sheldon Brown jersey. I really need to stop buying those things.
I've said all along that the team will be worse off without him, but farg him if he's angling to create problems to get back at the FO. Then, he's not just hurting them, but me as a fan. So, farg him farg him farg him.
He cares about the fans as much as Banner does. To them we're nothing but parasitic losers to be mocked and laughed at. Seriously.
At least Banner is incented to keep the team competitive so that the almighty dollar fountain keeps flowing.
Brown's just a boob.
Quote from: MURP on April 22, 2009, 04:31:06 PM
something aint right with our boy Sheldon. He is the "model citizen" for years and then goes wild. This whole thing seems like one of the kids who gets picked on forever and then goes nuts.
He wants out. He wanted a new contract, got brushed off, did a little reminiscing, and decided he's better off out of town than dealing with these schmucks any longer.
That's roughly how I feel about the Eagles right now. I don't think I've ever felt this way before either. I've been disgusted and furious at them losing but the way they conduct their business is downright embarrassing to me as a fan. The arrogance they display is sickening and depressing to me.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2009, 07:30:38 PM
That's roughly how I feel about the Eagles right now. I don't think I've ever felt this way before either. I've been disgusted and furious at them losing but the way they conduct their business is downright embarrassing to me as a fan. The arrogance they display is sickening and depressing to me.
That's where I am as well. ANd I used to be a complete FO defender. I mean, to the death defender.
meant to post this earlier...but for those who havent peeped it its a really good piece by domo arguing for both sides
for sheldon:
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SHELDON BROWN has been the ultimate team player during his seven seasons with the Eagles. Whatever they've asked the cornerback to do, he's done without complaint, and done it well.
Left side or right? Didn't matter to him. Inside or outside? Whatever defensive coordinator Jim Johnson wanted.
When the Eagles signed Asante Samuel last March and inserted him at left cornerback ahead of Brown's pal, Lito Sheppard, Brown made the incredible offer to give up his starting job and move to nickel so that Sheppard could stay on the field.
When Johnson took Brown out of the Eagles' nickel package for a couple of games last year so that he could get Sheppard and Joselio Hanson on the field, Brown never second-guessed the decision. When there was talk about the possibility of moving Brown to safety to make room for both Samuel and Sheppard, he played the good soldier and said he'd do whatever Johnson wanted.
While he's never been the most talented of Johnson's chess pieces, he's definitely been the most dependable. And, as he pointed out to the Inquirer last month, "sometimes dependability is better than ability."
Sheppard, who was selected 33 spots ahead of Brown in the 2002 draft, had more ability, but squandered much of it and was about as durable as a hothouse orchid. He forever seemed to be battling one injury or another. His inability or unwillingness to play hurt frustrated Johnson to no end.
But Brown has answered the bell every single week of his career. Hasn't missed a game since the Eagles drafted him. Has started 88 straight games. Played the entire '03 season with a sports hernia, which tells you a little something about the guy's pain threshold.
He's an overachiever who has maximized every drop of talent in his body through hard work and dedication and toughness. And now, he just wants the Eagles to show a little appreciation for all he's done and upgrade the contract extension he signed 5 years ago. The one that came with a $7.5 million signing bonus. The one that will pay him just $2 million this season. The one that still has 4 years left to run.
I understand his frustration. His current contract looks like chump change today compared to a lot of the sweet deals that have been handed out to players at his position the last 2 to 3 years, including the 6-year, $57 million deal the Eagles gave Samuel last year.
against sheldon:
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But Samuel had two things going for him that Brown does not. The first was that he was a free agent. The second was his age. He was 27 when he signed with the Eagles.
Brown turned 30 in March. While he had a solid season last year, his biological clock clearly is ticking.
According to my research, the average age of the league's 64 projected '09 starting corners is 27.1. Right now, Brown is the 13th oldest starting corner on that list. There are just five starting corners in the league older than 32 - the Packers' Al Harris, the Patriots' Shawn Springs, the 49ers' Walt Harris, the Buccaneers' Ronde Barber and the Titans' Nick Harper - all of whom are 34.
They don't give out gold watches in the NFL. And as cold as this may sound, they don't pay for past performance. The whole idea of free agency is that if you can play, somebody out there will pay you. Brown's problem is he forfeited his shot at the gold of free agency 5 years ago when he signed his ridiculously long extension with the Eagles.
The easy thing right now is to rip the Eagles for being coldhearted. But the bottom line is, they really have no incentive to sweeten the pot for Brown, who probably has a year, maybe two, left as a starting-caliber corner.
And if Brown thinks somebody else out there is going to jump up, trade for him and give a 30-year-old cover guy the new deal that the Eagles won't, well, I think he's sorely mistaken. *
Quote"We are very disappointed that the city continues to attempt to try this case in public," the team said in a statement issued Tuesday. "We think this should concern every person doing business in the City of Philadelphia or is contemplating doing business in the city."
Arrogant.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2009, 07:43:47 PM
Quote"We are very disappointed that the city continues to attempt to try this case in public," the team said in a statement issued Tuesday. "We think this should concern every person doing business in the City of Philadelphia or is contemplating doing business in the city."
Arrogant.
If they moved the team out of Philly, I'd say "farg it" at this point. Unless they moved to Raleigh. That would be neat.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2009, 07:43:47 PM
Quote"We are very disappointed that the city continues to attempt to try this case in public," the team said in a statement issued Tuesday. "We think this should concern every person doing business in the City of Philadelphia or is contemplating doing business in the city."
Arrogant.
arrongant doesnt begin to describe that
rhea and gargano were going off today because as citizens of the city how dare that millionare suburb living POS banner try and take away income for the city they live in by suggesting no one should do business with them
their entire stance in this deal is ludicrous...if the eagles truly had a deal with street to pay one million instead of 8 million wouldnt they have written a check right then and there faster than you can say capologist...yet they do nothing for over a year and then when the new admin says its time to pay up they claim they dont owe the money because of some back room handshake with streets people...i mean you cant make this stuff up
For the same reason they'd offer Brown a contract with the "understanding" that if he out-performed the deal, they'd sweeten it when the time came.
The parallels are too funny here. And by "funny" I mean gag-inducing.
Im not too sure Banner and crew told him that if your durable enough we will give you a raise
shtein like this makes me hate professional sports sometimes. Something I never thought I'd say...I still get amped up on gamedays, but in the offseason, when the business sides takes over, it kills me.
Why can't these millionaires handle it professionally? I'm all about maximizing your cash flow, but let's not get greedy.
And on the team side of things, don't cry poor on debts owed to the city or be complete pricks to your players.
If the FO had paid Dawkins, probably this is a completely different situation. Brown looks up to Dawk, who may have said continue to be patient and good things will happen. But now it's a negative domino effect, who knows the endpoint. I'll bet the conversations and advice he's undoubtedly gotten from Dawk now vs if Dawk had got paid are probably like night and day.
Especially if Brown leaves too, along with Dawk, that is a huge loss of attitude, aggression, and leadership.
...and tackling.
Quote from: hbionic on April 22, 2009, 10:12:56 PM
...and tackling.
LOL :-D, oops, I mean farg that evil F.O. dem bastages.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 22, 2009, 10:06:24 PM
If the FO had paid Dawkins, probably this is a completely different situation. Brown looks up to Dawk, who may have said continue to be patient and good things will happen. But now it's a negative domino effect, who knows the endpoint. I'll bet the conversations and advice he's undoubtedly gotten from Dawk now vs if Dawk had got paid are probably like night and day.
Especially if Brown leaves too, along with Dawk, that is a huge loss of attitude, aggression, and leadership.
thats an excellent point...you let great leaders go and replace them with andy reid type robots the locker room goes to shtein
The "leadership" angle is so overplayed. And Sheldon has forfeited his ability to be an effective leader at this point anyway, by lumping in other players with his cause and threatening to cause problems.
But, hey, it's ALL the FO's fault, right? BLACK AND WHITE. NO GRAY.
i will guarantee you 1000% that there are more players on sheldons side than on banner incs side in this...and to say that sheldon isnt and couldnt be a leader going forward is ridiculous
almost as ridiculous as saying leadership is overated in football
Leadership isn't overrated. The ability for other players to step in and take a leadership role when a previous leader leaves is underrated.
not many players have it in them to be leaders...you dont just flip a switch and become a leader...hell some teams have no leaders
with runyan tra dawk and possibly sheldon gone you think donovan is gonna step up and lead?
i mean im not in the locker room and obviously only know as much as a fan can but other than possibly quinton mikell i dont see anyone on the team that has leadership abilities
Who cares if the players are on Sheldon's side? That is 1000% irrelevant to the issue. That's like saying when all my kids decide they don't like broccoli, I don't have to make them eat it because obviously I'm in the wrong since more of my kids agree it's yucky than think it's yummy.
You, of all people, should know that when a majority of people think you are wrong, that doesn't necessarily make them right. Hell, you spend 80% of your day on this board in the minority. I guess that makes you wrong 80% of the time?
So, you admittedly have absolutely no idea but are going to assume that no one will step up, because it suits your point.
nm
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 08:43:37 AM
Who cares if the players are on Sheldon's side? That is 1000% irrelevant to the issue. That's like saying when all my kids decide they don't like broccoli, I don't have to make them eat it because obviously I'm in the wrong since more of my kids agree it's yucky than think it's yummy.
You, of all people, should know that when a majority of people think you are wrong, that doesn't necessarily make them right. Hell, you spend 80% of your day on this board in the minority. I guess that makes you wrong 80% of the time?
if you dont care that the locker room is unhappy then so be it...if you dont care that they lose sheldon and replce him with shtein to prove a point then so be it...seems like you care about winning as much as banner inc...i dont give a crap whose right or wrong i care that the team is alienating its best and most important players over pennies
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 08:44:29 AM
So, you admittedly have absolutely no idea but are going to assume that no one will step up, because it suits your point.
i actually have a good idea...i dont know 100% tho...if you have a good idea as to who the leaders are on this team id love to hear it...or are you just blindly saying "someone" will step up
until i see something other than all the leaders leaving the team then im gonna lean towards a locker room that isnt where it should be...its not like they just lost dawk...if sheldon is gone and thats a big if thats FOUR big time veterans gone within months of each other...i dont even know what to say to someone who wouldnt be concerned with that at least a little
I doubt there's a single player in that locker room who is on management's side. Not even Peters despite the fact he just got caked off last week.
Trust me - the guys who signed those long-term deals that Joey The Accountant sold them aren't.
Right, and all those players want Sheldon to get some money, so that they have a better argument to get theirs.
When does it stop? Should the Eagles just proactively review every contract every off-season and be "nice" to the guys that might be slightly underpaid? Mike Patterson needs a signing bonus to buy some more hamburgers and pot, people! GET BUSY ON THE NEW CONTRACT!
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 08:43:37 AM
Who cares if the players are on Sheldon's side? That is 1000% irrelevant to the issue. That's like saying when all my kids decide they don't like broccoli, I don't have to make them eat it because obviously I'm in the wrong since more of my kids agree it's yucky than think it's yummy.
You, of all people, should know that when a majority of people think you are wrong, that doesn't necessarily make them right. Hell, you spend 80% of your day on this board in the minority. I guess that makes you wrong 80% of the time?
ha
I think FF hit IGY's argument right on. Every player deserves as much money as makes them happy, so we don't have an unhappy locker room. It's only fair - Laurie has billions, so he is supposed to share the wealth with the "less fortunate."
And no, I bet there isn't a single player on Banner's side. Like when my boss tells the entire team we have to work overtime to get the last orders in and billed. None of us are happy about it, and the company is making money while we aren't getting shtein for our time. Obviously, we are correct, because we all agree.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 09:05:52 AM
When does it stop? Should the Eagles just proactively review every contract every off-season and be "nice" to the guys that might be slightly underpaid? Mike Patterson needs a signing bonus to buy some more hamburgers and pot, people! GET BUSY ON THE NEW CONTRACT!
it stops when a player that isnt deserving asks for huge money...it stops when youre at or over the cap...it doesnt stop when a guy who isnt making a lot doesnt want a lot and is deserving...and most importantly at a position where you absolutely cant afford to lose a starter...you have to be smart and pick and choose your spots...this is not a spot where they should be jerking around a player
the whole this opens a can of worms things doesnt play...did it open a can of worms when the eagles went to sheldon and reggie brown and gave them new deals?...why is ok for the eagles to re up people without having every other player want a new deal but when a player wants a new deal all of sudden the world is ending because all the players are gonna line up at banner inc offices for a hand out....big business hypocrisy at its finest
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 09:18:01 AM
And no, I bet there isn't a single player on Banner's side. Like when my boss tells the entire team we have to work overtime to get the last orders in and billed. None of us are happy about it, and the company is making money while we aren't getting shtein for our time. Obviously, we are correct, because we all agree.
stop using the real world in comparison to pro sports...its such a silly meaningless cliche to pull at heart strings
players on the eagles and the actors on greys anatomy do not have a single thing in common with your 9-5 cubicle job
I don't think it's necessarily about MORE money. I think Sheldon wanted more, sure, but he wanted his contract restructured so that more of the money that's left is guaranteed. What's happened is Banner ignored him, passed him off like a punk to one of his underlings and Sheldon felt disrespected by the lack of personal attention.
Look, these guys are infants in that respect. There's no getting around that but they have a point especially where the Eagles are concerned because they do business like mobbed up bullies for the most part. There's a laundry list the length of Milton Berle's johnson of occasions when they've acted in a dishonorable way, and it's high time someone called them on their behavior.
I don't blame Sheldon one bit for doing what he did, but of course, that's just my opinion and it's worth nada, especially to the Eagles who've gleefully taken my season ticket money for decades.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 09:20:09 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 09:05:52 AM
When does it stop? Should the Eagles just proactively review every contract every off-season and be "nice" to the guys that might be slightly underpaid? Mike Patterson needs a signing bonus to buy some more hamburgers and pot, people! GET BUSY ON THE NEW CONTRACT!
it stops when a player that isnt deserving asks for huge money
So, it stopped when Sheldon asked. No one has made a valid argument that he's deserved shtein. The only arguments have been AGAINST the FO, not FOR Sheldon.
Quote from: Rome on April 23, 2009, 09:24:05 AM
Look, these guys are infants
I don't blame Sheldon one bit
One of these things is not like the other.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 09:18:01 AM
And no, I bet there isn't a single player on Banner's side. Like when my boss tells the entire team we have to work overtime to get the last orders in and billed. None of us are happy about it, and the company is making money while we aren't getting shtein for our time. Obviously, we are correct, because we all agree.
stop using the real world in comparison to pro sports...its such a silly meaningless cliche to pull at heart strings
players on the eagles and the actors on greys anatomy do not have a single thing in common with your 9-5 cubicle job
no youre right, running a professional sports franchise has
conceptually nothing to do with running a major corporation
the problem is youve been stuck in a cubicle too long killer, and havent come close to sniffing the business world thus youre reasoning for not being able to grasp such a logical concept is well understood...but keep trying to sell us all
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 09:18:01 AM
And no, I bet there isn't a single player on Banner's side. Like when my boss tells the entire team we have to work overtime to get the last orders in and billed. None of us are happy about it, and the company is making money while we aren't getting shtein for our time. Obviously, we are correct, because we all agree.
stop using the real world in comparison to pro sports...its such a silly meaningless cliche to pull at heart strings
players on the eagles and the actors on greys anatomy do not have a single thing in common with your 9-5 cubicle job
Funny that a guy who doesn't have to worry about profit, business, and margins doesn't get that you just don't give money away because you have it.
It absolutely makes sense. This isn't a game - it's a business for both sides. It's a job.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 09:20:09 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 09:05:52 AM
When does it stop? Should the Eagles just proactively review every contract every off-season and be "nice" to the guys that might be slightly underpaid? Mike Patterson needs a signing bonus to buy some more hamburgers and pot, people! GET BUSY ON THE NEW CONTRACT!
it stops when a player that isnt deserving asks for huge money
So, it stopped when Sheldon asked. No one has made a valid argument that he's deserved shtein. The only arguments have been AGAINST the FO, not FOR Sheldon.
even the eagles would admit that hes underpaid...thats not in question here...whether you think hes a top ten corner like some or the 20th best corner the fact is hes underpaid
the real question is why do so many people care about other peoples money...whether it be banner incs or sheldonsey...guarantee the guy some more money get him happy and on the field as an eagle...thats all that should matter to anyone...
the pettyness over what athletes make is astonishing
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 09:33:47 AM
Funny that a guy who doesn't have to worry about profit, business, and margins doesn't get that you just don't give money away because you have it.
It absolutely makes sense. This isn't a game - it's a business for both sides. It's a job.
wait who has to worry about profit and margins???....the eagles?
are you actually insinuating that a team who is 30 million dollars under the salary cap cant give a player a few extra million bucks because of their profit margins...ahaha...thats the best one ive heard yet
Still? Really?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2009, 09:41:37 AM
Still? Really?
i aint through with you by a damn sight
It's either this or the flying seagull turd Zombie thread you started.
MORE SHELDON TALK!
True. There really isn't anything else to discuss. Nothing. At all.
No, the best one yet is the guy that says to pay him because the owner has the money. Or the guy that doesn't get the difference between maximizing profit versus having to worry about margins. THOSE are funny.
They KNOW that every game will be sold out. They KNOW that tons of merchandise will be sold. They KNOW that the the TV revenue will continue to come in. So, what is their incentive to shell out money likes it's malt liquor at a party at IGY's place?
Some owners are obsessed with winning. Some are satisfied with putting a competitive product out on the field, and maximizing their profit. Do we have to like it? Nope, but we can't change the way the Eagles think. So you either have to accept it or find a team that more suits your tastes. Your constant whining about the FO will change exactly zero.
At least PG put her money where her mouth is and dropped her season tickets. It's hard to constantly bitch about the ownership and continue to dump money into their coffers.
PG has two kids I think. No chance she drops those tickets if she isn't momming it up.
She should go public if her boss doesn't want to give her a raise.
to me sheldon should shut his mouth and pay. but when the big picture occurs, its one that seems to be more focused on money than on winning. they push all this shtein on the fans to buy, in which they do because they are loyal and dedicated and proud. the players, haven't yet heard one of them taking a pay cut to help the team get to the next level. there is more bitching about money than anything from these guys. if reid hires/drafts so called reid guys, then why isn't it showing. and farg these reid guys already, they can't get us close to the big one. if they wanted to put together a super bowl contending team they could, very easily from getting the right players to getting the right coaches. unfortunately the issue is making money and keeping the fans glued to the TV as they get to the playoffs only to get out played and out coached when it counts. time and time again. if the damn FO gave a shtein about winning any idiot would of seen the needs and the weak points. its so obvious its embarassing
That is a fitting capstone to this thread.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 09:54:52 AM
No, the best one yet is the guy that says to pay him because the owner has the money.
you dont think being 30 million under the cap is a factor in being able to pay players?...but thats not even close to the number one reason...for one hes underpaid...even the biggest front office schills admit that...and the most important reason is because the eagles should put the best possible team on the field..within reason of course...im not suggesting they re do chris gocong with 25 mil in guarantees...but what sheldon is asking is well within reason
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 09:54:52 AM
They KNOW that every game will be sold out. They KNOW that tons of merchandise will be sold. They KNOW that the the TV revenue will continue to come in. So, what is their incentive to shell out money likes it's malt liquor at a party at IGY's place?
Some owners are obsessed with winning. Some are satisfied with putting a competitive product out on the field, and maximizing their profit. Do we have to like it? Nope, but we can't change the way the Eagles think. So you either have to accept it or find a team that more suits your tastes. Your constant whining about the FO will change exactly zero.
i dont even know what this all means....basically if you dont like it tough...be a good little boy and take everything the front office does laying down in the corner?...sounds like america during the last presidency and joe banner is dick cheney
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
At least PG put her money where her mouth is and dropped her season tickets. It's hard to constantly bitch about the ownership and continue to dump money into their coffers.
another classic big business red herring...having season tickets gives you more of a right to bitch because you have a real investment in the team...just like being a board member of a big business or aholding a lot of stock in a company gives you more right to bitch about their business practices
i dont want to see you ever again bitching in the politics thread about the awfulness of govt until you move out of the country....i think cervent has a room for you
What happend to Cerevant? I'd like to see a poll of the current Eagles Crisis
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2009, 07:08:51 PM
To them we're nothing but parasitic losers to be mocked and laughed at. Seriously.
they're not the only ones who feel that way.
losers.
Quote from: mussa on April 23, 2009, 10:08:18 AM
if reid hires/drafts so called reid guys, then why isn't it showing. and farg these reid guys already, they can't get us close to the big one.
i was thinking something along these lines and wondered if part of the problem with all this bitching was the model of player Reid chooses to draft. From 1999-2005 the draft classes seem to have an absurdly high amount of guys that are either wierd, on drugs , or mentally weak. Seriously, take a look at those draft classes and you have some strange stuff going on. all the way from John Frank retiring to Damon Moores dog to Shawn Andrews depression.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
At least PG put her money where her mouth is and dropped her season tickets. It's hard to constantly bitch about the ownership and continue to dump money into their coffers.
another classic big business red herring...having season tickets gives you more of a right to bitch because you have a real investment in the team...just like being a board member of a big business or aholding a lot of stock in a company gives you more right to bitch about their business practices
i dont want to see you ever again bitching in the politics thread about the awfulness of govt until you move out of the country....i think cervent has a room for you
As long as I can complain about the 1 cent of my taxes that goes to your salary, I'm good.
I think you need to check the definition of "red herring" out a little bit and get back to us.
ill look it up if you dont complain about the govt till you move....deal?
No.
damn
So close, yet so far. Your logic was pretty good, actually, but you didn't provide me enough incentives.
It's all about incentives. And guaranteed money.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 10:05:32 AM
She should go public if her boss doesn't want to give her a raise.
She's only got two more years left on her deal!
People in the real world at least have the option of looking for a new job if their current one doesn't pay enough, even when there aren't any to be had.
How's the poker blog business treating you?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 11:05:47 AM
having season tickets gives you more of a right to bitch because you have a real investment in the team...just like being a board member of a big business or aholding a lot of stock in a company gives you more right to bitch about their business practices
You do know the difference between being a customer and being an investor/owner/board member, don't you? Buying a product (season tickets) is NOTHING like having stock in a company.
Owner? Yes, bitch and make changes.
Investor? Yes, bitch and vote for changes.
Board member? Make changes to suit your fancy.
Customer? If you don't like the product, shop somewhere else. There's a reason people say to vote with your wallet.
I complained to my boss that they weren't letting me put in enough hot chicks with huge racks.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 23, 2009, 11:46:38 AM
I complained to my boss that they weren't letting me put in enough hot chicks with huge racks.
How'd that work out for you?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 23, 2009, 11:46:38 AM
I complained to my boss that they weren't letting me put in enough hot chicks with huge racks.
How'd that work out for you?
I get to write about hot chicks with huge racks, but just for myself. I think everything worked out well.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 11:05:47 AM
having season tickets gives you more of a right to bitch because you have a real investment in the team...just like being a board member of a big business or aholding a lot of stock in a company gives you more right to bitch about their business practices
You do know the difference between being a customer and being an investor/owner/board member, don't you? Buying a product (season tickets) is NOTHING like having stock in a company.
Owner? Yes, bitch and make changes.
Investor? Yes, bitch and vote for changes.
Board member? Make changes to suit your fancy.
Customer? If you don't like the product, shop somewhere else. There's a reason people say to vote with your wallet.
yep. it's easy for a fan to think that just because he spends $xxx every year on tickets, jerseys, etc, that he is making an "investment" into that team and should have extra entitlements. but that's like saying that the trailer trash who do ALL of their shopping at wal-mart should have priviledges not extended to the casual customer.
the only entitlements that come with purchasing season tickets is having a ticket in the same exact seat for every single game along with first dibs on playoff tickets.
theres no extra entitlements but theres a far deeper investment in the product when youre coming out of your pocket to the tune of thousands of dollars a year
Quote from: MURP on April 23, 2009, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: mussa on April 23, 2009, 10:08:18 AM
if reid hires/drafts so called reid guys, then why isn't it showing. and farg these reid guys already, they can't get us close to the big one.
i was thinking something along these lines and wondered if part of the problem with all this bitching was the model of player Reid chooses to draft. From 1999-2005 the draft classes seem to have an absurdly high amount of guys that are either wierd, on drugs , or mentally weak. Seriously, take a look at those draft classes and you have some strange stuff going on. all the way from John Frank retiring to Damon Moores dog to Shawn Andrews depression.
lol, as bad as that sounds your spot on. failure after failure. and it will continue because Reid refuses to change.
It's an emotional investment. Not a business or capital investment. You and I have the same emotional investment in the team, even though you spend thousands on seats, and I watch the game at a sports bar. You have no more "right" to bitch than anyone else, no matter how much more you spend. Your opinion is in no way more valid than anyone else's - even though you spend thousands on tickets.
I think I've said it enough different ways.
that's the thing.....it's not really an investment. it's a purchase. nothing more, nothing less. rjs drinks the hell out of miller lite and he even goes so far as to pimp it here ad naseum. but miller lite damn sure doesn't give a crap about any input rusty might have.
quit looking at season tickets as an investment and you'll have a much easier time coping with the stupid crap that this team does. it's a ticket, not a stock option.
Hush your mouth. Miller Lite and I have a special relationship.
Miller Lite, like most people and zombies, hates you
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 12:30:39 PM
that's the thing.....it's not really an investment. it's a purchase. nothing more, nothing less. rjs drinks the hell out of miller lite and he even goes so far as to pimp it here ad naseum. but miller lite damn sure doesn't give a crap about any input rusty might have.
But they should keep an ear open for complaints and grumbling. When enough people think your product is broken, you are going to lose money. Now a couple of dorks whining on the internet isn't much, but there's a lot of dorks out there.
There were only THREE season ticket accounts that were not renewed this year.
Thought I'd share that bit of ridiculousness.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 23, 2009, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 12:30:39 PM
that's the thing.....it's not really an investment. it's a purchase. nothing more, nothing less. rjs drinks the hell out of miller lite and he even goes so far as to pimp it here ad naseum. but miller lite damn sure doesn't give a crap about any input rusty might have.
But they should keep an ear open for complaints and grumbling. When enough people think your product is broken, you are going to lose money. Now a couple of dorks whining on the internet isn't much, but there's a lot of dorks out there.
ticket and merchandise sales tell the eagles that their product is doing just fine. and there are so many people on the season ticket waiting list, that if every current season ticket holder opted not to renew for the 2009 season, they would have no problem finding replacement buyers.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 12:35:39 PM
There were only THREE season ticket accounts that were not renewed this year.
Thought I'd share that bit of ridiculousness.
so that means i moved up 3 places on the list, right?
and that is such an insignificant number, that the eagles won't give it a second thought. there's a million and one reasons why those tickets weren't renewed, with the economy being first on the list, so it's no reason for the eagles to start thinking they need to change their business practices.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 23, 2009, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 12:30:39 PM
that's the thing.....it's not really an investment. it's a purchase. nothing more, nothing less. rjs drinks the hell out of miller lite and he even goes so far as to pimp it here ad naseum. but miller lite damn sure doesn't give a crap about any input rusty might have.
But they should keep an ear open for complaints and grumbling. When enough people think your product is broken, you are going to lose money. Now a couple of dorks whining on the internet isn't much, but there's a lot of dorks out there.
ticket and merchandise sales tell the eagles that their product is doing just fine. and there are so many people on the season ticket waiting list, that if every current season ticket holder opted not to renew for the 2009 season, they would have no problem finding replacement buyers.
Their waiting list is so disorganized, if even half the current holders opted out, they'd spend months going through trash cans and desk drawers looking for napkins and scraps of paper with the phone numbers of those people on the waiting list.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 12:35:39 PM
There were only THREE season ticket accounts that were not renewed this year.
Thought I'd share that bit of ridiculousness.
1. Unprecedented modern economic collapse? Check.
2. Team loses most beloved and tenured player? Check.
3. Team "improves" to 80% failure rate in the NFCC under Andy Reid? Check.
If true, we just found out that there is zero chance of any change coming to this team. So, get on, or get off.
I prefer to get off, thanks.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2009, 12:41:46 PM
I prefer to get off, thanks.
Will you use one of those pink jerseys?
Quote from: General_Failure on April 23, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 23, 2009, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 12:30:39 PM
that's the thing.....it's not really an investment. it's a purchase. nothing more, nothing less. rjs drinks the hell out of miller lite and he even goes so far as to pimp it here ad naseum. but miller lite damn sure doesn't give a crap about any input rusty might have.
But they should keep an ear open for complaints and grumbling. When enough people think your product is broken, you are going to lose money. Now a couple of dorks whining on the internet isn't much, but there's a lot of dorks out there.
ticket and merchandise sales tell the eagles that their product is doing just fine. and there are so many people on the season ticket waiting list, that if every current season ticket holder opted not to renew for the 2009 season, they would have no problem finding replacement buyers.
Their waiting list is so disorganized, if even half the current holders opted out, they'd spend months going through trash cans and desk drawers looking for napkins and scraps of paper with the phone numbers of those people on the waiting list.
their waiting list is the philly white pages. they just start with "a" and start dialing until they sell all their tickets.
I think you can nab a pink Dawkins johnson joint at 15% off. And you say the Eagles brass has no heart.
I would ejaculate all over that discount.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 12:43:44 PM
I think you can nab a pink Dawkins johnson joint at 15% off. And you say the Eagles brass has no heart.
You can take the name off to prepare for whatever backup RB they wind up with.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 12:30:33 PM
It's an emotional investment. Not a business or capital investment. You and I have the same emotional investment in the team, even though you spend thousands on seats, and I watch the game at a sports bar. You have no more "right" to bitch than anyone else, no matter how much more you spend. Your opinion is in no way more valid than anyone else's - even though you spend thousands on tickets.
I think I've said it enough different ways.
youre insane if you dont think i have more riding on the teams fortunes and how its run than you do...we arent even equal emotionally because i root for my hometown...you root for the eagles i root for philadephia...which is why i get so upset at banner representing the citys team like he does....for example you could care less about his beef with the city right now because you dont give a rats ass about philadelphia...nor should you
i dont give a shtein what anyone says its philadelphias team not jeff luries...and if you dont think that matters ask the people in cleveland if they followed the browns to baltimore before they got their own team
as for the money youre wrong there as well...spending a couple thousand dollars a year not to mention the time i put in ups the ante and causes me to hold the team to a different standard than not all but many other people that dont spend money on them...is there people that dont have season tickets that hold them to the same standard as me of course there is...but believe me you tend to look at a team in a different perspective when youre spending tons of time and money on them...
i know this because i look at the eagles in a different way than the other three teams in the city and i admittedly hold them to a slighty different standard...doesnt mean im a bigger fan of the eagles than i am the flyers sixers or phillies just as it doesnt make me a better fan of the eagles than youre...its just a different kind of fan and a different perspective
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 12:43:33 PM
their waiting list is the philly white pages. they just start with "a" and start dialing until they sell all their tickets.
In that case, I will be in the next edition as Aaron 00000000001a.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2009, 12:44:37 PM
I would ejaculate all over that discount.
...in a "hate farg" kind of way or in a sexy way?
IGY, Jeff Lurie could pick up this team and move it to LA tomorrow.
And there would not a single farging thing you (as a ticket holder) or FastFreddie (as a non-ticket holder) could do about it.
Rub it in a little more, why don't you. Sniff. Sniff.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2009, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2009, 12:44:37 PM
I would ejaculate all over that discount.
...in a "hate farg" kind of way or in a sexy way?
There's a difference?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 12:56:34 PM
IGY, Jeff Lurie could pick up this team and move it to LA tomorrow.
he could try but it wouldnt happen...and he could move the team but not the name philadelphia...not a single farging person in the entire city would root for the los angeles eagles...where as youd see a lot of non philadelphians stay with the name eagles
Well, no shtein it wouldn't take the name Philadelphia, but you get my point (I hope).
Its HIS team, you have no say in it. If he wanted to name them the LA Eagles, he'd do just that.
And. you'd. have. no. say.
Same as Demon, same as me, same as FF, same as any other schlub who has no tickets.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:03:13 PM
And. you'd. have. no. say.
Quote from: MDS
And, you'd, have, no, say.
But MDS is a flag.
Don't compare us. He tries to be cool.
I personify it.
I HEART EAGLES DRAMA
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:06:24 PM
But MDS is a flag.
Don't compare us. He tries to be cool.
I personify it.
POTY
if we nominated any post with "MDS is a fag" in it for POTY we'd have 4000000000000000000000 nominations.
PS. MDS is a fag
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2009, 01:09:02 PM
if we nominated any post with "MDS is a fag" in it for POTY we'd have 4000000000000000000000 nominations.
PS. MDS is a fag
POTY
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 23, 2009, 01:03:13 PM
Well, no shtein it wouldn't take the name Philadelphia, but you get my point (I hope).
Its HIS team, you have no say in it. If he wanted to name them the LA Eagles, he'd do just that.
And. you'd. have. no. say.
Same as Demon, same as me, same as FF, same as any other schlub who has no tickets.
first of all there are numerous clauses in the deal with the city that would prevent lurie from moving the team until 2045 or something unless the city violated their agreement in an agregious way...hed also have to get approval from the other owners and that approval would require him to show just cause which he has none (unlike modell for example)...so in fact your wrong he couldnt just up and move
second of all my point is that if they did move someone from idaho who likes the eagles would probably follow them out to la and still root for the eagles...where as someone from philadelphia would violate their own sphincter before they did that...which goes to my original point rooting for a city is way different than rooting for a team
And you'd still have NO say. So stop acting like being a ticket holder means you are more important than any other fan and you have more reason to be pissed off when the team fargs up.
never said that...dont take it out on me because you dont have tickets anymore
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 01:24:07 PM
never said that...dont take it out on me because you dont have tickets anymore
That was our
choice. Having kids has nothing to do with it, as rjs said.
But I'd be saying the same thing even if we still had our tickets.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 12:30:33 PM
It's an emotional investment. Not a business or capital investment. You and I have the same emotional investment in the team, even though you spend thousands on seats, and I watch the game at a sports bar. You have no more "right" to bitch than anyone else, no matter how much more you spend. Your opinion is in no way more valid than anyone else's - even though you spend thousands on tickets.
I think I've said it enough different ways.
youre insane if you dont think i have more riding on the teams fortunes and how its run than you do...we arent even equal emotionally because i root for my hometown...you root for the eagles i root for philadephia...which is why i get so upset at banner representing the citys team like he does....for example you could care less about his beef with the city right now because you dont give a rats ass about philadelphia...nor should you
i dont give a shtein what anyone says its philadelphias team not jeff luries...and if you dont think that matters ask the people in cleveland if they followed the browns to baltimore before they got their own team
as for the money youre wrong there as well...spending a couple thousand dollars a year not to mention the time i put in ups the ante and causes me to hold the team to a different standard than not all but many other people that dont spend money on them...is there people that dont have season tickets that hold them to the same standard as me of course there is...but believe me you tend to look at a team in a different perspective when youre spending tons of time and money on them...
i know this because i look at the eagles in a different way than the other three teams in the city and i admittedly hold them to a slighty different standard...doesnt mean im a bigger fan of the eagles than i am the flyers sixers or phillies just as it doesnt make me a better fan of the eagles than youre...its just a different kind of fan and a different perspective
igy, i've been arguing on the same side as demon on this one and i do root all philly when it comes to the major sports. if philly had a professional hopscotch team, i'd root for them too. i was born and raised there and had i done anything with my life besides join the military, i'd probably still be living there. so am i held to a different standard because i don't drop mega coin on season tix every year? is my level of emotional commitment any less than you or other season ticket holders?
you are looking at this completely from the wrong perspective. you're saying that because you spend money on season tix (along with the cost of travel, parking, food, bev and time) that you automatically hold them to a higher standard than someone like me. i drop a few hundred bucks every year on sunday ticket just so i can catch all of the eagles games on tv. last year was the first time in close to 10 years i didn't make it to at least 1 game, either home or away. normally when i go to a game it costs me no less than $700 when you factor ticket cost, air travel, hotel and food. and that's just for 1 freaking game.
so when i am able to go, my cost per game far exceeds what most local folks shell out. even when i was living in north carolina and was able to make it up for like 3 or 4 games in a season, i was still dropping over $150 on gas plus the cost of tix and parking. and then driving back home sunday night after the game so i could go to work on monday.
i'm not throwing this out there to make it look like i'm some sort of super fan. i'm saying it because us out of towners make just as much of a commitment as the local folks when it comes to following these teams. in fact, i would go so far as to say that i have to put a lot more effort into follwing philly teams than anyone within 100 or so miles of philly. because i don't get local coverage on tv, radio or in the newspapers. i have to rely on the internet and cable television.
so to say that spending money on season tickets somehow translates to you being able to hold the eagles to a higher standard than me or any other non-local fan is total bullshtein.
no youre the same because youre from philly so you root for the city not the eagles
on the investment argument we will have to agree to disagree
oh. ok. as long as i'm part of the in crowd then. farg demon.
theres no club in the world like it...there is nothing better than being in a random city in a bar and running into another person from philly who calls you out cause you have a sixer shirt or flyer hat on...next thing you know theres shots all over the bar and your liver hates you again
philadelphia LOVES philadelphia like no other place on the planet
Nobody else will, so it kinda has to.
lol...too true
whats funny about philly is tacony hates mayfair and mayfair hates feltonville but the northeast loves the northeast and hates south philly except the northeast and south philly love each other and hate the rest of the world
its really a beautiful thing
Just like every family in the greater Philadelphia area. We're not talking to south Philly because of what they said about our Sharon.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 02:31:48 PM
theres no club in the world like it...there is nothing better than being in a random city in a bar and running into another person from philly who calls you out cause you have a sixer shirt or flyer hat on...next thing you know theres shots all over the bar and your liver hates you again
philadelphia LOVES philadelphia like no other place on the planet
I'm not from Philly but have done shots galore with the Philadelphians in random cities because I was wearing an Eagles jersey.
You're a bizarre dude, IGY. Sometimes I wish I could see everything as simple.
And you just lost your "I'm from Philly and you're not" argument.
Born and raised, dude. I left because of joining the military. And I still call Philly home (even though technically I'm a SJ product, it's still close enough).
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 02:22:16 PM
oh. ok. as long as i'm part of the in crowd then. farg demon.
farg you too, jarhead.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 23, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
Just like every family in the greater Philadelphia area. We're not talking to south Philly because of what they said about our Sharon.
i dont blame you
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 02:44:34 PM
You're a bizarre dude, IGY. Sometimes I wish I could see everything as simple.
And you just lost your "I'm from Philly and you're not" argument.
Born and raised, dude. I left because of joining the military. And I still call Philly home (even though technically I'm a SJ product, it's still close enough).
prety sure i was talking about people NOT from philly...but congrats on your most advantageous of birthplaces
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 02:44:34 PM
You're a bizarre dude, IGY. Sometimes I wish I could see everything as simple.
And you just lost your "I'm from Philly and you're not" argument.
Born and raised, dude. I left because of joining the military. And I still call Philly home (even though technically I'm a SJ product, it's still close enough).
prety sure i was talking about people NOT from philly...but congrats on your most advantageous of birthplaces
Oh. My mistake.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 12:30:33 PM
It's an emotional investment. Not a business or capital investment. You and I have the same emotional investment in the team, even though you spend thousands on seats, and I watch the game at a sports bar. You have no more "right" to bitch than anyone else, no matter how much more you spend. Your opinion is in no way more valid than anyone else's - even though you spend thousands on tickets.
I think I've said it enough different ways.
youre insane if you dont think i have more riding on the teams fortunes and how its run than you do...we arent even equal emotionally because i root for my hometown...you root for the eagles i root for philadephia...which is why i get so upset at banner representing the citys team like he does....for example you could care less about his beef with the city right now because you dont give a rats ass about philadelphia...nor should you
Somehow I was under the impression you were talking about me.
obviously i didnt know you were from philly...all you MA cats run together...probably beacuse i never met yous you and tomahawk are literally the same person to me
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
obviously i didnt know you were from philly
but he's a cardinals and a blues fan. sinner! sinner! chicken dinner!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 23, 2009, 03:14:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
obviously i didnt know you were from philly
but he's a cardinals and a blues fan. sinner! sinner! chicken dinner!
yeah thats unacceptable
gotta be a four for four guy
Blues fan, Cardinals tolerator.
A sport needs actual violence in it for me to be a fan.
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 03:16:28 PM
A sport needs actual violence in it for me to be a fan.
A farging men
womens beach volleyball says hello
Quote from: Father Demon on April 23, 2009, 03:16:28 PM
Blues fan, Cardinals tolerator.
A sport needs actual violence in it for me to be a fan.
like giving homeless dudes 10k and then hunting them down for 24 hours?
Hard Target is one of the greatest movies ever made.
Quote from: MURP on April 23, 2009, 03:21:45 PM
womens beach volleyball says hello
I literally had no idea that staring at asses counted as a sport.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2009, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: MURP on April 23, 2009, 03:21:45 PM
womens beach volleyball says hello
I literally had no idea that staring at asses counted as a sport.
Womens doubles tennis?
Some new quotes from Sheldon since the Hobbs trade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4102276)
QuoteThe acquisition of Hobbs pleased Brown, but only because he hoped it could lead to his departure from Philadelphia.
"I think it's great," Brown told The Associated Press. "I look at it as great news in terms of me being traded."
Eagles head coach Andy Reid wasn't ready to accommodate Brown's wishes.
"This doesn't have anything to do with Sheldon," Reid said Sunday. "Sheldon is on this team. [Hobbs] gives us depth at cornerback. You can never have enough quality cornerbacks."
Super.
QuoteWritten by Garry Cobb
Monday, 27 April 2009
Sheldon Brown told Bob Brookover of Philly.com that he will be at this weekend's mini camp at the Nova Care complex.
Brown backpedaled on comments that the Eagles wouldn't want him in the locker room with other players. He told Brookover that he has no plans of being a distraction to the football team.
"I didn't become a villain all of a sudden," he said. "I'm a professional. I've been in contact with Troy (Vincent)."
Brown also said he isn't phased by team's acquistion of New England cornerback Ellis Hobbs.
"I've always competed for my job," he said. "That doesn't matter to me. I have respect for Ellis. He's a guy who has played through injuries like me. He tore up his groin and didn't miss any time. He's a hard worker and he's trying to establish himself."
Brown told Paul Domowitch of Philly.com this weekend that he welcomed Hobbs arrival because that might lead to him being traded.
"Over the next few months, if they got an offer, they would be in a position [now] to trade me," he said. "It's a good thing from that perspective. It gives me more hope."
Wuss.
The whiny little funhole needs to shut up.
Phil spits the troof (with maybe the exception of Hobbs being better than Happy Scrappy):
Quote
Phil Sheridan: Time to cut Sheldon Brown loose
By Phil Sheridan
Inquirer Sports Columnist
The smart thing for the Eagles to do became the easy thing the moment Bill Belichick agreed to trade Ellis Hobbs: Bid farewell to Sheldon Brown now, if not sooner.
That would have been the smart move, anyway. Now that they have a better, younger player to replace the disgruntled cornerback, there should be no hesitation. The sooner Brown is out of town, the better. Trade him if possible, release him if necessary. If the Eagles can't work through that process before this weekend's full-squad minicamp, they should tell Brown not to come.
The absolute wrong thing for the Eagles to do - and the thing they've publicly indicated they will choose in spite of reason and several hard-learned lessons - is to hang on to Brown just to prove some kind of muddled point.
The only real consideration should be this: What course of action gives the Eagles the best chance to win the Super Bowl this season? A year after Lito Sheppard quit on them, poisoned the air in the locker room, and took up a valuable roster spot all season, the answer seems pretty obvious.
And remember, this is a team that moved on in recent months from foundation-of-success players such as Brian Dawkins and Tra Thomas. If the message there is that the team endures as players come and go, then there can be no straight-faced argument that this team needs Brown in order to contend again.
Brown has been a good player here, make no mistake. He has not been a great player. At age 30, he isn't likely to become one suddenly. He has been, as he points out, reliable - playing every week as higher-maintenance corners like Sheppard and Asante Samuel require occasional time in the shop.
And the issue here isn't that Brown grew unhappy with the long-term contract he signed in 2004. That happens all the time. The deal that looks good today looks less attractive as salaries escalate and that old signing bonus gets smaller in the rearview mirror.
As a side lesson, one hopes the Eagles have learned not to do these early, lock-'em-up-young extensions. Those deals were a good business idea when the salary cap was tighter. They were always better in theory, though, than in practice. This team has seen it time and again: The young guys grateful for financial security at age 26 become desperate for another payday as they approach 30 and the downside of their careers.
So that's that. Let players assume the risk that they'll remain productive and healthy until they get within a year of free agency. If you still want them, sign them to market deals. If not, let them walk knowing you got their most productive seasons out of them.
If players thought the other way was cold, let them try this way for a while.
Brown's unhappiness isn't the reason the Eagles should cut ties with him. His public mishandling of it is. He seems to have softened his rhetoric, telling The Inquirer's Bob Brookover yesterday that he'll report to camp and also doing some damage control on previous remarks. But the stage is set for Brown's contract gripes to be a distraction for him and his teammates for the rest of this year and beyond.
It should be very clear by now that nothing good comes from keeping players on the team when their heart is not in it. Sheppard proved it. Terrell Owens proved it. Brown placed himself firmly in that category when he raised the specter of going in the tank because of contract issues. Worse, he dragged teammates Trent Cole and Mike Patterson into the muck, asking why they should play hard if they saw that he, Brown, wasn't getting what he wanted.
This is the deal: You can't have a guy like that on your football team. Period. If keeping players sends a message, what did hanging on to Sheppard for a year teach anyone? What did nuclear meltdown with T.O. accomplish?
You'd like to believe that Brown has too much pride in himself and commitment to his teammates to deliver anything less than full effort. But do you want the rest of the Eagles, or the coaches, or the fans, wondering about that when he gets beat for a touchdown pass in Week 7? Do you really want to hear him griping every time the issue of his pittance of a salary is raised?
If the Eagles think Brown will have more trade value in the summer, fine. Tell him not to report and move him later. Just keep him away from the locker room until it's over.
Cut the cord. Move on. This has been an off-season of turning the page for the Eagles. There's no reason to start that fresh new page with a huge blemish on it.
did Phil miss the interviews with sheldon yesterday?
did he miss last season...where did lito "poison the locker room"...i mean would they have won the nfc championship had lito not done his poisoning
he also says to trade sheldon if possible right after he says a guy they got for two 5ths is younger and better
I disagree and think Phil is off base. They returned to the NFCCG for the first time in 4 years with Lito in the same situation last year. You have to draw the line somewhere and can't just let any player, especially a valuable asset walk whenever they feel like they want more money. Even more so if it to get a sub market return. I'm not saying the FO has handled other situations well but Sheldon needs to just STFU and play.
And like PPin DC said, Hobbs better than Brown? Lol. That secondary could be in trouble. There was a good comment in Philly.com that decoding Reid's comments on Kegger, he might not be ready to go by this summer.
edit: a little redundant with IGY's comment
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As a side lesson, one hopes the Eagles have learned not to do these early, lock-'em-up-young extensions. Those deals were a good business idea when the salary cap was tighter. They were always better in theory, though, than in practice. This team has seen it time and again: The young guys grateful for financial security at age 26 become desperate for another payday as they approach 30 and the downside of their careers.
So that's that. Let players assume the risk that they'll remain productive and healthy until they get within a year of free agency. If you still want them, sign them to market deals. If not, let them walk knowing you got their most productive seasons out of them.
If players thought the other way was cold, let them try this way for a while.
Amen.
Package him up with Brown and Baskett and take whatever the farg you can get for him. Drama gets the gas face.
apparently it also gets you in conference championship games
Andy Reid scratching his ass for 3 hours every sunday apparently gets you to conference championship games, too. But I'd be happier than a zombie pig in shtein if he were packaged up and launched into the moon...
id rather have the best players happy and on the field in the nfc championship game
maybe a happy lito prevents one of fitzs td's or picks a pass off to stop one of the cards scoring drives and they win the game
thats much more important to me than a player supposedly poisoning a locker room or how much money a player makes
Andy Reid in a rocket ship to the moon is the most important thing to me.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2009, 11:57:45 AM
Andy Reid in a rocket ship to the moon is the most important thing to me.
Why not send the rocket ship to the sun?
Is there really enough rocket fuel in the world to propel that kind of payload?
The sun is too far away. I want him dead quickly.
Then you might want to just tie him under one of the thrusters.
Fine.
C'mon, you guys are too hard on AR. Pound for pound he is one of the best coaches in the league.
Phil Sheridan is completely right that the Eagles should re-examine their practice of locking young players into these long-term deals. Either the player underperforms and you're stuck hanging onto him for too long (Reggie Brown, Grew Lewis, etc.) or he outperforms his contract and wants more cash. Someone always ends up unhappy.
That said, Sheldon is being a fleshpop in this situation. I don't mind so much wanting a new contract and I don't even mind going public with that request. But all this crap about being disrespected and abused etc. and bringing the names of other players into it is just low. Sheldon used to be one of my favorites and I think he's been one of the most underrated players on the team for years but he needs to STFU.
The way I see it, the Eagles have two options:
1. Trade him right now.
2. Either guarantee Sheldon you'll cut him at the end of the season and he can seek new employment then or work out some form of one-year deal that pays him slightly better this season.
I'm not a fan of trading him because he's better than anyone else we have. Those of you saying Hobbs is younger and better than Sheldon are nuts. The Pats let up 27 TD passes last year in part because of Hobbs. He's not a good man-to-man cover corner and the Eagles badly need that since we blitz so much. I'm not sold on Hansen.
I would try to work this out behind the scenes with Sheldon and possibly give him a little more cash for this season. Burying Lito on the depth chart and letting him dog it all year taught him and the team NOTHING.
I think what is happening is this:
The Eagles have a price in thier head for a Sheldon trade. They didn't get that before or during the draft, so they kept him, but took care of getting a servicable replacement for him.
Now, they are going to wait to see it someone will offer thier price as players start to go down during training camp.
If they don't get thier price, or if his possible replacements don't look good/ get hurt in TC then they will keep him.
Seems logical and reasonable to me.
But they still should have kept Dawk.
QuoteI would try to work this out behind the scenes with Sheldon and possibly give him a little more cash for this season
Banner meet Kenzinger...Kenzinger meet Banner
and although I agree with you somewhat that Hobbs could be a crapshoot, I give him the benefit of the doubt playing in this eagles defense because the Patriots play a 3-4 zone coverage majority of the time--so to say Hobbs is mainly responsible for all those TD's is not quite crystal clear.
Quote from: reese125 on April 28, 2009, 02:10:07 PM
QuoteI would try to work this out behind the scenes with Sheldon and possibly give him a little more cash for this season
Banner meet Kenzinger...Kenzinger meet Banner
and although I agree with you somewhat that Hobbs could be a crapshoot, I give him the benefit of the doubt playing in this eagles defense because the Patriots play a 3-4 zone coverage majority of the time--so to say Hobbs is mainly responsible for all those TD's is not quite crystal clear.
I don't think Hobbs was "mainly" responsible for it, but I also don't think he's nearly as good a starting cornerback as Brown. The Eagles really improved the team in a lot of ways this offseason, I'd hate to see the season derailed because their cornerback is being a vaj. I wonder if they could pay Brown more upfront with the guarantee he'll either be traded or cut after this season? It's not like they hang onto many guys older than 30 anyway.
they eagles wouldnt pay him more then guarantee he gets cut....that makes no sense and would never happen
if they pay him more its because they value his play and their intention would be to get the most out of him they can over the next 2-3 years
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 02:23:28 PM
they eagles wouldnt pay him more then guarantee he gets cut....that makes no sense and would never happen
if they pay him more its because they value his play and their intention would be to get the most out of him they can over the next 2-3 years
Pay Sheldon more for one year. The Eagles get his services for another Super Bowl run, minus the grumbling and locker room bullshtein. Sheldon gets more money upfront and the guarantee they're going to release or trade him at the end of the year. Seems like a win-win to me.
Right now you have to look at the likely outcome. The Eagles can either trade Sheldon for a pick and downgrade their secondary this year. Or they can play hardball and risk having Brown dog it and get buried on the depth chart, then traded for a pick.
Or they can play hardball and bank on Sheldon playing the good soldier anyway? I think that's a little dangerous. I'd rather work something out for both sides in the short term.
they arent giving him a guarantee that he will be cut next year...it just would never happen...with or without more money this year
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
Pay Sheldon more for one year. The Eagles get his services for another Super Bowl run, minus the grumbling and locker room bullshtein. Sheldon gets more money upfront and the guarantee they're going to release or trade him at the end of the year. Seems like a win-win to me.
good in theory, bad in reality. we're talking about the eagles here. jeff lurie and joe banner in particular. and neither of them really care about making a super bowl run. they want a team that's good enough to fight for a spot in the playoffs. that's it. anything they get beyond that is gravy as far as they are concerned. and by gravy, i mean cake. and by cake i mean cash money.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
Pay Sheldon more for one year. The Eagles get his services for another Super Bowl run, minus the grumbling and locker room bullshtein. Sheldon gets more money upfront and the guarantee they're going to release or trade him at the end of the year. Seems like a win-win to me.
good in theory, bad in reality. we're talking about the eagles here. jeff lurie and joe banner in particular. and neither of them really care about making a super bowl run. they want a team that's good enough to fight for a spot in the playoffs. that's it. anything they get beyond that is gravy as far as they are concerned. and by gravy, i mean cake. and by cake i mean cash money.
They just gave Jason Peters a 4-year, $53 million extension that made him the highest paid LT in football. Last year they signed the premier free agent Asante Samuel to a 6-year deal worth around $57 million with $20 million guaranteed.
I don't think the Eagles are cheap. I think they have a very rigid philosophy on where they spend their money and they don't overpay for big names just to appease the fans.
I am curious the Eagles lock these guys up and usually pay them the duration or a good portion of their contracts, I wonder how that translates to guys that get a ton of money up front and only stick around a year or two.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
Pay Sheldon more for one year. The Eagles get his services for another Super Bowl run, minus the grumbling and locker room bullshtein. Sheldon gets more money upfront and the guarantee they're going to release or trade him at the end of the year. Seems like a win-win to me.
good in theory, bad in reality. we're talking about the eagles here. jeff lurie and joe banner in particular. and neither of them really care about making a super bowl run. they want a team that's good enough to fight for a spot in the playoffs. that's it. anything they get beyond that is gravy as far as they are concerned. and by gravy, i mean cake. and by cake i mean cash money.
They just gave Jason Peters a 4-year, $53 million extension that made him the highest paid LT in football. Last year they signed the premier free agent Asante Samuel to a 6-year deal worth around $57 million with $20 million guaranteed.
I don't think the Eagles are cheap. I think they have a very rigid philosophy on where they spend their money and they don't overpay for big names just to appease the fans.
cheap and not doing everything possible to win it all are not the same thing
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
Pay Sheldon more for one year. The Eagles get his services for another Super Bowl run, minus the grumbling and locker room bullshtein. Sheldon gets more money upfront and the guarantee they're going to release or trade him at the end of the year. Seems like a win-win to me.
good in theory, bad in reality. we're talking about the eagles here. jeff lurie and joe banner in particular. and neither of them really care about making a super bowl run. they want a team that's good enough to fight for a spot in the playoffs. that's it. anything they get beyond that is gravy as far as they are concerned. and by gravy, i mean cake. and by cake i mean cash money.
They just gave Jason Peters a 4-year, $53 million extension that made him the highest paid LT in football. Last year they signed the premier free agent Asante Samuel to a 6-year deal worth around $57 million with $20 million guaranteed.
I don't think the Eagles are cheap. I think they have a very rigid philosophy on where they spend their money and they don't overpay for big names just to appease the fans.
cheap and not doing everything possible to win it all are not the same thing
Yep. The Eagles are obviously willing to spend money. They're just not willing to overspend or mortgage the future on free agents. They believe that by staying close year after year, eventually they'll break through and win a championship. I'm not sure that philosophy will work but it's not because they're cheap.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
Pay Sheldon more for one year. The Eagles get his services for another Super Bowl run, minus the grumbling and locker room bullshtein. Sheldon gets more money upfront and the guarantee they're going to release or trade him at the end of the year. Seems like a win-win to me.
good in theory, bad in reality. we're talking about the eagles here. jeff lurie and joe banner in particular. and neither of them really care about making a super bowl run. they want a team that's good enough to fight for a spot in the playoffs. that's it. anything they get beyond that is gravy as far as they are concerned. and by gravy, i mean cake. and by cake i mean cash money.
They just gave Jason Peters a 4-year, $53 million extension that made him the highest paid LT in football. Last year they signed the premier free agent Asante Samuel to a 6-year deal worth around $57 million with $20 million guaranteed.
I don't think the Eagles are cheap. I think they have a very rigid philosophy on where they spend their money and they don't overpay for big names just to appease the fans.
i never said they didn't sign players to big deals. but they have a bottom line and they won't do anything to jeopardize that. and the current bottom line is accounting for sheldon's current salary. so if they drop him a few extra mil, then it offsets said bottom line which is completely unacceptable for banner and lurie.
with or without sheldon brown, this team should be good enough to make the playoffs. so their thinking is, why pay brown even more money when this team is already good enough to make the postseason?
playoff appearances = increased revenue. and the way that they look at it is if they can get into the playoffs by spending the bare minimum, then they will maximize profits based on whatever degree of success that occurs in jan/feb. so even if they get knocked out in the first round, oh well. the revenue made from one playoff game is better than no playoff revenue at all. so when something happens like last season, when they miraculously made it to the nfccg, the profits became astronomical. the sooner people realize and come to terms with the fact that this is how ownership and management think, the less you'll be disappointed by them.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2009, 12:26:58 PM
C'mon, you guys are too hard on AR. Pound for pound he is one of the best coaches in the league.
This gem shouldn't go ignored.
if they werent so close so many years it wouldnt bother me but having an off season that consists of signing mike mcmahon the year after you come up just short in the super bowl is unacceptable
being 30+ mil under the cap and not tossing sheldon a few bucks the year after just missing the superbowl is just stupid
if you go 3-13 then fine be extra selective in how you upgrade/rebuild...but when youre approaching the 50 year anniversary of your last title and were a drive away from the sb last year then put the "pedal to the metal"
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2009, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2009, 12:26:58 PM
C'mon, you guys are too hard on AR. Pound for pound he is one of the best coaches in the league.
This gem shouldn't go ignored.
yes it should because it was a fat joke that didn't make sense. pound for pound analogies are usually best applied to smaller people and almost always applied to people who are excellent at what they do.
reid is neither small nor excellent at what he does.
pound for pound, he's the most stubborn and arrogant coach in the nfl. now
that makes sense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
if they werent so close so many years it wouldnt bother me but having an off season that consists of signing mike mcmahon the year after you come up just short in the super bowl is unacceptable
being 30+ mil under the cap and not tossing sheldon a few bucks the year after just missing the superbowl is just stupid
if you go 3-13 then fine be extra selective in how you upgrade/rebuild...but when youre approaching the 50 year anniversary of your last title and were a drive away from the sb last year then put the "pedal to the metal"
stop thinking like a fan.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 03:08:33 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2009, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2009, 12:26:58 PM
C'mon, you guys are too hard on AR. Pound for pound he is one of the best coaches in the league.
This gem shouldn't go ignored.
yes it should because it was a fat joke that didn't make sense. pound for pound analogies are usually best applied to smaller people and almost always applied to people who are excellent at what they do.
reid is neither small nor excellent at what he does.
pound for pound, he's the most stubborn and arrogant coach in the nfl. now that makes sense.
If you don't see how it makes sense, you're dense. How poetic is that?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 02:28:33 PM
Pay Sheldon more for one year. The Eagles get his services for another Super Bowl run, minus the grumbling and locker room bullshtein. Sheldon gets more money upfront and the guarantee they're going to release or trade him at the end of the year. Seems like a win-win to me.
good in theory, bad in reality. we're talking about the eagles here. jeff lurie and joe banner in particular. and neither of them really care about making a super bowl run. they want a team that's good enough to fight for a spot in the playoffs. that's it. anything they get beyond that is gravy as far as they are concerned. and by gravy, i mean cake. and by cake i mean cash money.
They just gave Jason Peters a 4-year, $53 million extension that made him the highest paid LT in football. Last year they signed the premier free agent Asante Samuel to a 6-year deal worth around $57 million with $20 million guaranteed.
I don't think the Eagles are cheap. I think they have a very rigid philosophy on where they spend their money and they don't overpay for big names just to appease the fans.
i never said they didn't sign players to big deals. but they have a bottom line and they won't do anything to jeopardize that. and the current bottom line is accounting for sheldon's current salary. so if they drop him a few extra mil, then it offsets said bottom line which is completely unacceptable for banner and lurie.
with or without sheldon brown, this team should be good enough to make the playoffs. so their thinking is, why pay brown even more money when this team is already good enough to make the postseason?
playoff appearances = increased revenue. and the way that they look at it is if they can get into the playoffs by spending the bare minimum, then they will maximize profits based on whatever degree of success that occurs in jan/feb. so even if they get knocked out in the first round, oh well. the revenue made from one playoff game is better than no playoff revenue at all. so when something happens like last season, when they miraculously made it to the nfccg, the profits became astronomical. the sooner people realize and come to terms with the fact that this is how ownership and management think, the less you'll be disappointed by them.
I just have to disagree with you. There is no magic formula for dollars spent that just gets you into the playoffs but no further. If throwing dollars around = playoffs the taterskins would be a contender every year. I think the Eagles want to win a championship - for the same reason the fans want one, but also to shut the media up and because it's a surefire way to increase revenue.
The Eagles aren't cheap but they have a philosophy that includes targetting more money into un-sexy positions like the O and DL and investing in youth, locking up promising young players to long-term deals and more often than not letting older vets walk. I'm not sure this is the way to win a Super Bowl, but I also don't think it has anything to do with being cheap. They just believe that's the way to build a contender.
I agree with a lot of the criticism of this team but the whole idea that they're cheap or just in it for $$$ is bull.
theres way to many times they dont put the best possible players on the field for the worst possible reasons to say they truly yearn for a title
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
theres way to many times they dont put the best possible players on the field for the worst possible reasons to say they truly yearn for a title
You're going to have to explain this to me. They landed the best free agent available (Samuels) last year. This year, they traded for Peters and made him the highest paid LT in football. Why do you doubt their commitment to putting a winning product on the field?
You know who truly yearns for a title? Al Davis and Dan Snyder. If only yearning for a title actually got you one, those guys would be consistent winners ...
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
theres way to many times they dont put the best possible players on the field for the worst possible reasons to say they truly yearn for a title
You're going to have to explain this to me. They landed the best free agent available (Samuels) last year. This year, they traded for Peters and made him the highest paid LT in football. Why do you doubt their commitment to putting a winning product on the field?
You know who truly yearns for a title? Al Davis and Dan Snyder. If only yearning for a title actually got you one, those guys would be consistent winners ...
Joselio on the field over Lito ring a bell?
considine over lewis
joselio over hood
kirkland/gardner over trotter
ect...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
theres way to many times they dont put the best possible players on the field for the worst possible reasons to say they truly yearn for a title
CONSPIRACY!!
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 28, 2009, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
theres way to many times they dont put the best possible players on the field for the worst possible reasons to say they truly yearn for a title
You're going to have to explain this to me. They landed the best free agent available (Samuels) last year. This year, they traded for Peters and made him the highest paid LT in football. Why do you doubt their commitment to putting a winning product on the field?
You know who truly yearns for a title? Al Davis and Dan Snyder. If only yearning for a title actually got you one, those guys would be consistent winners ...
Joselio on the field over Lito ring a bell?
Lito Sheppard decided to dawg it and had a miserable year last season.
And the Eagles finished 3rd in passing defense anyway.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 28, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
theres way to many times they dont put the best possible players on the field for the worst possible reasons to say they truly yearn for a title
CONSPIRACY!!
mos def
They were great in passing defense last year. Until that pesky NFCC game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:51:52 PM
considine over lewis
joselio over hood
kirkland/gardner over trotter
ect...
So every bad decision this team makes is evidence they don't "yearn" for a championship?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2009, 04:00:12 PM
They were great in passing defense last year. Until that pesky NFCC game.
Did Dawkins play in that game? I can't remember.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 04:00:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:51:52 PM
considine over lewis
joselio over hood
kirkland/gardner over trotter
ect...
So every bad decision this team makes is evidence they don't "yearn" for a championship?
benching or blackballing a player because he wont resign an extension with you is not the same thing as missing on a draft pick
as for lito they took his position away long before he ever dawged anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 04:00:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:51:52 PM
considine over lewis
joselio over hood
kirkland/gardner over trotter
ect...
So every bad decision this team makes is evidence they don't "yearn" for a championship?
benching or blackballing a player because he wont resign an extension with you is not the same thing as missing on a draft pick
as for lito they took his position away long before he ever dawged anything
Lito missed 14 in games in three seasons prior to last year and they signed Samuel for a more reliable corner. Going into last year they had Lito and Brown listed as "co-starters" even though Brown has always been the far superior CB. Then Lito dogged it and played poorly when he got on the field. He's not even going to start for the Jets - good riddance.
Lurie Lapper
lito wasnt hurt when they took his starting position away before mini camps even started
you want samuel to add to your corners then have a traning camp war for the two starting spots btwn samuel lito and sheldon i have no problem with it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:11:23 PM
lito wasnt hurt when they took his starting position away before mini camps even started
you want samuel to add to your corners then have a traning camp war for the two starting spots btwn samuel lito and sheldon i have no problem with it
Samuel and Brown are both better CBs than Lito - that's why they were starters and he wasn't. Instead of bitching about it Lito could have come to camp and worked his ass off. Instead, he whined and moaned all year and didn't even play well when he got on the field.
That's really the Eagles fault? You think they'd have been 1st in passing defense instead of 3rd if he was starting instead of Brown?
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
I just have to disagree with you. There is no magic formula for dollars spent that just gets you into the playoffs but no further. If throwing dollars around = playoffs the taterskins would be a contender every year. I think the Eagles want to win a championship - for the same reason the fans want one, but also to shut the media up and because it's a surefire way to increase revenue.
The Eagles aren't cheap but they have a philosophy that includes targetting more money into un-sexy positions like the O and DL and investing in youth, locking up promising young players to long-term deals and more often than not letting older vets walk. I'm not sure this is the way to win a Super Bowl, but I also don't think it has anything to do with being cheap. They just believe that's the way to build a contender.
I agree with a lot of the criticism of this team but the whole idea that they're cheap or just in it for $$$ is bull.
1. if you really think that ownership, management or even the players want to win a championship for the same reason as the fans, then i simply don't know what to say. i probably shouldn't continue responding because if that is truly what you think, then you clearly don't live in reality. i'm not saying that to be a fleshpop, but i think you're looking from a tainted view.
owners/management wants maximum profit with minimal investment/risk. winning championships doesn't factor into that.
players want to win because they are competitive and have been working their whole lives to reach the pinnacle of their respective sport. they could give a damn about what city they play in or how long it's been since that team's last championship. do you think ryan howard really gives a crap that he helped win the city's first championship in 20some years? all he cares about, and should care about, is the fact that his 20some years of work have gotten him to the top.
fans want teams to win to gain validation for spending their time and money following said team.
2. contender, yes. champion, no. there is a difference.
3. whether fans choose to accept reality or not, owning a sports franchise is a business. jeff lurie's goal is to take the least amount of money and turn it into the most amount of money possible. expecting anything else is naive and foolish.
theres no chance sheldon is a better cb than a healthy lito and samuel is marginally better if at all
again if you want samuel to protect again litos injury history fine...but dont try and all of sudden act like lito wasnt an excellent corner when he played...you actually sounded a lot like banner there
and by twisting it and revising history to defend the front office you sound a ton like his buddy eskin
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2009, 04:17:06 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
I just have to disagree with you. There is no magic formula for dollars spent that just gets you into the playoffs but no further. If throwing dollars around = playoffs the taterskins would be a contender every year. I think the Eagles want to win a championship - for the same reason the fans want one, but also to shut the media up and because it's a surefire way to increase revenue.
The Eagles aren't cheap but they have a philosophy that includes targetting more money into un-sexy positions like the O and DL and investing in youth, locking up promising young players to long-term deals and more often than not letting older vets walk. I'm not sure this is the way to win a Super Bowl, but I also don't think it has anything to do with being cheap. They just believe that's the way to build a contender.
I agree with a lot of the criticism of this team but the whole idea that they're cheap or just in it for $$$ is bull.
1. if you really think that ownership, management or even the players want to win a championship for the same reason as the fans, then i simply don't know what to say. i probably shouldn't continue responding because if that is truly what you think, then you clearly don't live in reality. i'm not saying that to be a fleshpop, but i think you're looking from a tainted view.
owners/management wants maximum profit with minimal investment/risk. winning championships doesn't factor into that.
players want to win because they are competitive and have been working their whole lives to reach the pinnacle of their respective sport. they could give a damn about what city they play in or how long it's been since that team's last championship. do you think ryan howard really gives a crap that he helped win the city's first championship in 20some years? all he cares about, and should care about, is the fact that his 20some years of work have gotten him to the top.
fans want teams to win to gain validation for spending their time and money following said team.
2. contender, yes. champion, no. there is a difference.
3. whether fans choose to accept reality or not, owning a sports franchise is a business. jeff lurie's goal is to take the least amount of money and turn it into the most amount of money possible. expecting anything else is naive and foolish.
I think we've reached an impasse on this one and we're not going to agree.
I don't think ownership wants to win a championship for entirely the same reason as the fans. I'm just saying that I believe they do want to win a Super Bowl, if for no other reason than it will bring in more $$$.
The Eagles IMO have a philosophy on how to win and they stubbornly stick to it. Sometimes it doesn't work. Most of the time they're right. They're certainly right a lot more often than the pundits or the fans.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
theres no chance sheldon is a better cb than a healthy lito and samuel is marginally better if at all
again if you want samuel to protect again litos injury history fine...but dont try and all of sudden act like lito wasnt an excellent corner when he played...you actually sounded a lot like banner there
and by twisting it and revising history to defend the front office you sound a ton like his buddy eskin
I'm being serious here: Lito could not stay healthy and his play badly regressed. He missed 14 games in the 3 years prior to last year and had a particularly bad '07 season when we finished 19th in passing defense. Brown has always been a better CB than Lito, he just doesn't get the attention because he's more of a steady cover corner than a playmaker.
Had Lito played hard he probably would've been on the field almost as much as Brown - the Eagles use their nickel corner a lot. But he dogged it and became a major liability. That has nothing to do with the Eagles commitment to winning. They had a better pass D without Lito last year.
Ellis Hobbs has almost identical numbers to Sheldon Brown in his first 4 years as a starter (Brown has more sacks)
let the good times roll
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 04:35:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
theres no chance sheldon is a better cb than a healthy lito and samuel is marginally better if at all
again if you want samuel to protect again litos injury history fine...but dont try and all of sudden act like lito wasnt an excellent corner when he played...you actually sounded a lot like banner there
and by twisting it and revising history to defend the front office you sound a ton like his buddy eskin
I'm being serious here: Lito could not stay healthy and his play badly regressed. He missed 14 games in the 3 years prior to last year and had a particularly bad '07 season when we finished 19th in passing defense. Brown has always been a better CB than Lito, he just doesn't get the attention because he's more of a steady cover corner than a playmaker.
Had Lito played hard he probably would've been on the field almost as much as Brown - the Eagles use their nickel corner a lot. But he dogged it and became a major liability. That has nothing to do with the Eagles commitment to winning. They had a better pass D without Lito last year.
i dont know why youre bringing up litos injury history...no one is saying that samuel shouldnt have been signed because lito got hurt...in fact i am record as saying lito shouldnt have gotten a new dewal because of his injury history
but what does litos injury history have to do with his job being stripped in march when hes healthy....are you saying they took a job from a guy without having it settled on the field whether by performance or injury
if lito was such an injury problem then cut him...but to sign a guy at his position and take his spot away without the new man ever having played a down on the team is a complete slap in the face
and if you think all lito had to do was play hard for him to get a starting job then youre notwacthing...again they took his job away in MARCH...way before he ever played at all much less didnt play hard
im done here....as you said agree to disagree cause youre clearly looking at this thru banner inc glasses as i suspect you do on most all things
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:49:40 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 04:35:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
theres no chance sheldon is a better cb than a healthy lito and samuel is marginally better if at all
again if you want samuel to protect again litos injury history fine...but dont try and all of sudden act like lito wasnt an excellent corner when he played...you actually sounded a lot like banner there
and by twisting it and revising history to defend the front office you sound a ton like his buddy eskin
I'm being serious here: Lito could not stay healthy and his play badly regressed. He missed 14 games in the 3 years prior to last year and had a particularly bad '07 season when we finished 19th in passing defense. Brown has always been a better CB than Lito, he just doesn't get the attention because he's more of a steady cover corner than a playmaker.
Had Lito played hard he probably would've been on the field almost as much as Brown - the Eagles use their nickel corner a lot. But he dogged it and became a major liability. That has nothing to do with the Eagles commitment to winning. They had a better pass D without Lito last year.
i dont know why youre bringing up litos injury history...no one is saying that samuel shouldnt have been signed because lito got hurt...in fact i am record as saying lito shouldnt have gotten a new dewal because of his injury history
but what does litos injury history have to do with his job being stripped in march when hes healthy....are you saying they took a job from a guy without having it settled on the field whether by performance or injury
if lito was such an injury problem then cut him...but to sign a guy at his position and take his spot away without the new man ever having played a down on the team is a complete slap in the face
and if you think all lito had to do was play hard for him to get a starting job then youre notwacthing...again they took his job away in MARCH...way before he ever played at all much less didnt play hard
im done here....as you said agree to disagree cause youre clearly looking at this thru banner inc glasses as i suspect you do on most all things
I don't get your point. There's no question that Asante Samuel is a better and more durable CB than Lito. The Eagles thought Brown was the better cornerback and I think they were/are right. So yeah, Lito lost his job because he was chronically injured, had a bad year in 2007 and the Eagles had better options on the roster. They also finished 3rd in passing defense - a huge improvement over the year before. Lito can go play nickel corner for the Jets and hope his skills didn't diminish after a year of dogging it. Win-win.
Banner inc. glasses? Well if you're going to be like that, your rant reminds me of those boobs on WIP who are both the loudest AND stupidest guys at the bar. Are you really crying about Lito Sheppard? He's gone man, let it go.
And ken nails IGY's WIP fanboy-ness in less than 50 posts.
Change up the game, igs, you're getting predictable.
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 04:57:10 PM
Banner inc. glasses? Well if you're going to be like that, your rant reminds me of those boobs on WIP who are both the loudest AND stupidest guys at the bar. Are you really crying about Lito Sheppard? He's gone man, let it go.
i dont care that hes gone...and i dont care what he does on the jets...the front office handled his situation all wrong and because of that they had a pro bowl caliber player on thier roster last year that was useless to them and may have cost them the cardinal game and possibly a superbowl
thats the difference btwn people like me and front office shills like yourself...you care more about making a point and hoping he goes to the jets and sucks than you do the eagles
i care about winning a superbowl period
id also add that the reason hes the "third corner" on the jets is because they arent going bump a player that is already there out of his starting spot until he loses it on the field...best believe lito will be starting tho if he wins the job in camp
which is the way it should be
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kenzinger on April 28, 2009, 04:57:10 PM
Banner inc. glasses? Well if you're going to be like that, your rant reminds me of those boobs on WIP who are both the loudest AND stupidest guys at the bar. Are you really crying about Lito Sheppard? He's gone man, let it go.
i dont care that hes gone...and i dont care what he does on the jets...the front office handled his situation all wrong and because of that they had a pro bowl caliber player on thier roster last year that was useless to them and may have cost them the cardinal game and possibly a superbowl
thats the difference btwn people like me and front office shills like yourself...you care more about making a point and hoping he goes to the jets and sucks than you do the eagles
i care about winning a superbowl period
You honestly believe the lack of Lito Sheppard cost this team the NFCCG?
Edit: I have to go. So on that note ... look, you can say the Eagles mishandled Lito or they made a bad decision in the NFCCG, whatever. Maybe you're right, maybe you're right, I don't know. But I think the Eagles honestly felt that Lito had groused his way out of playing time all year and they weren't going to re-insert a guy into the lineup who couldn't even get onto the field the past few weeks. I also think they didn't expect to get abused by the Cardinals offense like that in the NFCCG. I do not for one minute think Reid was sitting there rubbing his chubby fingers together and made the decision to bench a better player for 'payback' or out of spite. The Eagles don't want players who don't want to be there, but who does?
Anyway, good night.
I think Andy could have sat Lito's ass down and said, hey there guy.. Play this season out, and we'll move you. The issue with the FO is they dont seem to bother even doing that. Its all business from to the point of being iceholes.
Quote from: reese125 on April 28, 2009, 04:39:34 PM
Ellis Hobbs has almost identical numbers to Sheldon Brown in his first 4 years as a starter (Brown has more sacks)
let the good times roll
not really concerned about how many sacks a corner tallies up in a year. that tends to be a product of the system rather than the individual player. jj blitzes from everywhere and he blitzes often. new england doesn't.
hadn't compared their career stats yet though, but it's good to hear that statistically, they both are about the same.
As I said many times last year, while Samuel was being burned or dropping pics, "Lito could've dropped that for $2MM!".
Bringing in Samuel certainly pissed off Lito. And he sulked. Brown was believed to be more reliable than Lito, and they sure weren't playing Samuel at nickel for that dough. Samuel was overrated and a waste of money. Double Lito's salary, you're still paying him way less than Samuel, and he's arguably as good (if not maybe as durable).
Whatever, I don't really give a farg about any of these overpaid dumbasses. I just want to run around the neighborhood drunk in my underwear screaming the Eagles chant until I get arrested after they win a SB. Is that too much to ask?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 28, 2009, 09:44:22 PM
Whatever, I don't really give a farg about any of these overpaid dumbasses. I just want to run around the neighborhood drunk in my underwear screaming the Eagles chant until I get arrested after they win a SB. Is that too much to ask?
I might get this tattooed on my forehead.
You must have a gigantic melon
It'll make it easy to pick him off when he's shambling around with all the other zombies.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2009, 11:27:09 PM
It'll make it easy to pick him off when he's shambling around with all the other zombies.
In the meantime, just aim for the one eating bacon.
That hardly narrows it down.
Quote
In the meantime, just aim for the one eating turkey bacon.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2009, 11:43:56 PM
That hardly narrows it down.
There.
QuoteEagles' Sheldon Brown: 'I will play hard and be a pro'
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
Sheldon Brown handled the blitz yesterday.
The Eagles' veteran cornerback, after checking in for the start of today's post-draft camp, could see the rush coming at him as he walked across the parking lot at the NovaCare Complex. He knew he was going to be bombarded by questions about his contract dispute and trade request that became public 11 days ago.
There was only one subject he didn't want to discuss.
Asked if he had talked to team president Joe Banner, he offered a no comment.
He gave that answer twice more when asked what he would say to Banner if the two men had a conversation and whether or not his fractured relationship with Banner could be repaired.
Brown insisted he'd have no problem showing up for work and doing his job even if a trade or new contract is not in his future. Banner has said the Eagles have no plans to trade Brown or sweeten his contract.
"This ain't going to wear on my mind," Brown said. "My job is to play football and that's what I'm going to do. I already said this isn't going to be a media circus. I'll speak one time and one time only, and this is the time. After this, I have to go to work. I'm going to be a pro. I will play hard and be a pro."
Brown said that he didn't discuss his situation with coach Andy Reid and that he didn't plan to. He made it clear that he has no animosity toward his coach, and he believes the team's business decisions are all made by Banner.
"I'm hoping it's a Joe decision," Brown said. "I have a good relationship with Coach Reid and I have a lot of respect for Coach Reid. I would hope it would never come out that it was the coach's decision. If [Reid] wants to talk to me, I'll talk to him, but, to be honest, I don't really need to talk to him. He's the head coach. There are certain things he can't get involved in. I know that."
Brown also seemed undisturbed by the Eagles' decision to trade two fifth-round picks to New England for Ellis Hobbs on Sunday, a move that gives the team three cornerbacks with plenty of starting experience. The other is Asante Samuel, who signed as a free agent before last season.
"They bring in people every year, so don't get it twisted," Brown said. "I've been fighting for my job every season. If Ellis Hobbs makes this team better, he needs to be on this football team. I have no problem with that. If I'm here, as long as we're winning, I'm great."
Reid insisted Sunday that the acquisition of Hobbs had nothing to do with Brown's contract dispute. Brown said he thought the Eagles would have added a cornerback regardless of his contract situation, but their decision to add an experienced player at the position might have been driven by his trade request.
"I think they would have got somebody," he said. "I don't know if they would have got Ellis. Obviously they're kind of in a rebuilding mode right now anyway and I'm the last man standing. I'm on my way out any way you look at it."
Brown is the last remaining defensive starter from the Eagles' 2004 team that went to the Super Bowl.
Hobbs, who is in the final season of the rookie contract he signed with the Patriots, hopes Philadelphia can be his new home for a while after being discarded by the Patriots.
"I go in looking at it as one man's trash is another man's treasure," Hobbs said. "Somebody felt like it was time for me to move on . . . and somebody else said the time is here, the time is now for me. I see this as a window of opportunity."
That's an improvement, at least.
no doubt in my mind that if Hobbs wasnt acquired Sheldon would still be bitching
hes a scared little rabbit now and realized how expendable he really is.
+1 front office--ha
no hes stopped bitching temporarily because as he said now that the eagles have some depth behind him he can more easily be traded and hes happy about that...i would expect that if he isnt traded by the time the preseason is about to end he will once again not be a happy camper
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2009, 09:05:22 AM
no hes stopped bitching temporarily because as he said now that the eagles have some depth behind him he can more easily be traded and hes happy about that.
Which he even said when asked about it the first time.
yeah i was repeating what sheldon has said not giving my opinion...i just assumed everyone and their mother had read or heard his comments (except reece of course)
wheew...thank god youre the only one here that watches eagles news and can repeat what sheldon said
what he said right after when hobbs was traded and what he might be feeling now could be totally different
Sheldon Brown is far better than Hobbs and I hope the Eagles work something out to keep him happy for at least one more season, even if that involves a little more money upfront.
Quote from: reese125 on May 01, 2009, 09:21:08 AM
wheew...thank god youre the only one here that watches eagles news and can repeat what sheldon said
what he said right after when hobbs was traded and what he might be feeling now could be totally different
could be
yep
I think the Eagles let them fight it out and reward the one who adds more value on the field with a new deal.
It will probably be Hobbs.
I hope the decision is based on who wins a dirigible race around the world. Been a while since there's been a good dirigible race.
hmmm...not quite su...
yeah they are basically going to continue to tell sheldon to go farg himself...hobbs will get a tryout and if the eagles like him they will most likely offer him a below market deal before the mid season date where you can still get money on the current years cap...this will be a deal that hobbs seeing the light at the end of the tunnel that is unrestricted free agency will undoubtedly refuse at which point he will be blackballed to the bench and replaced by "future star" iggywanoo
As much as I'd like to say that you're completely wrong about that, I can't because this team is cheap and stubborn enough to do just that.
Damn you.
I, for one, think that Sheldon has neatly cleaned up this mess and I'm certain that this will be the last we hear about it.
Funny, but his current posturing is most welcome and surprising.
Happy Scrappy
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 01, 2009, 09:27:51 AM
I think the Eagles let them fight it out and reward the one who adds more value on the field with a new deal.
It will probably be Hobbs.
I think there's no way the Eagles do a 180 and give Brown a new deal after Banner made such a production out of going to the media and saying they just won't re-do contracts with several years left on them. It's possible something did happen between Brown and the FO for him to change his tune though.
Let's see how true he stays to his word.
If he does what he says, I respect that.
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whiny bitch
last year:
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Ha!
this just proves one thing, Asante is a hilarious mother farger
Or they saw Jim Johnson's "No Fatties" bumper sticker.
:-D :-D
*awaits someone's hilarious photochop*
Quote
Steelers cut LB Foote, who wants more playing time
May 4, 6:30 pm EDT
PITTSBURGH (AP)—The Pittsburgh Steelers released starting inside linebacker Larry Foote on Monday, a move expected since Foote asked to be traded or cut.
Foote has started every Steelers game for five seasons, including their Super Bowl victories last season and after the 2005 season. But he was unhappy with coming off the field on passing downs for Lawrence Timmons, a 2007 first-round draft pick.
With Timmons ready to start, Foote told the Steelers last week he wanted to be traded or released. The Steelers cut him after failing to find a team willing to deal a draft pick for him.
Foote was due to make $2.885 million in the final season of his contract, but the Steelers no longer owe him the money.
"Larry has been a big part of our success but, unfortunately, the realities of the salary cap made this decision inevitable," Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said in a statement. "We wish Larry and his family nothing but the best as he moves forward with his career."
Foote, a fourth-round draft pick in 2002, had three interceptions and 14 1/2 sacks in seven seasons with Pittsburgh.
So, wait... a five-year starter gets released from his contract? This is inconceivable! I thought contracts were two-way streets?
Umpossible!
compare joe banner and andy reids comments regarding dawk sheldon and any other players that have left or want to leave to the following statement....and you wonder why one organization is considered the gold standard and one isnt
"Larry has been a big part of our success but, unfortunately, the realities of the salary cap made this decision inevitable," Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said in a statement. "We wish Larry and his family nothing but the best as he moves forward with his career."
Translation:
We ain't paying that bitch another dime 'cause we got someone cheaper. But best of luck to him.
GET FOOTE
Foote wasn't asking for more money. He was asking for more playing time. The Steelers tried to trade him but couldn't even get a 7th rounder.
He'll probably be signing with the Lions (his first choice) before the end of the week.
QuoteVincent: Sheldon, Birds will put differences aside
I spoke with former Eagles cornerback Troy Vincent over the weekend about Sheldon Brown's unhappiness over his contract situation. I'll elaborate more on the subject in Tuesday's Daily News.
But Vincent, a good friend of Brown's, is fairly confident that this situation isn't going to fester and be a locker room distraction for the team like Lito Sheppard's situation was last year or the Terrell Owens soap opera in 2005.
``I would be very surprised if I saw anything more in the newspapers about it,'' said Vincent. ``When I saw it last year at this time (with Sheppard), and as it moved forward, it never surprised me. Because you could see by the tone and by the comments that there was more coming. That this wasn't going to end. That is was going to go through the entire season. That it would be part of the locker room. I don't see that (with Sheldon).''
Unlike the easily distracted Sheppard, Vincent believes Brown can put his differences with the front-office aside and focus on football.
``Some of us carry things with us and let it affect the way we perform our job, let it affect the way we interact with the people around us,'' he said. ``Some let it affect every aspect of their lives; how they treat people, how they treat their teammates, how they respond at home.
``I don't see that with Sheldon. I have never seen that side of him. I don't think it's there. I've known him for 8-9 years. If I haven't seen any of those characteristics so far, it would greatly surprise me if I saw anything different now.
``There's been something every offseason (with the Eagles) by someone who's been unhappy. Some kind of issue of this sort that becomes an issue in the locker room moving forward. Through June, July, August and into the regular season. I think there are ways you can avoid that. You have to communicate. Joe (Banner) and Andy (Reid) understand now how Sheldon feels and Sheldon understands their position. With that being said, I believe they'll get to a place where it will be mutually beneficial for all parties.''
All the Eagles have to do is guarantee some of the money that's owed Sheldon from here on out. They won't because Banner's a scumbag piece of shtein weasel motherfarger and Lurie is too much of a bitch to slap the smirk off his face.
QuoteWith that being said, I believe they'll get to a place where it will be mutually beneficial for all parties.
Someone tell Vincent he didn't win the NFLPA job.
I guess Vincent retired from concussions, because he really doesn't recall how the Eagles handle business.
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way to go west catholic
QuoteCSNPhilly.com
Sheldon Brown and the Eagles have made an attempt to clear the air.
A source has told CSN's Derrick Gunn that Brown and Eagles president Joe Banner have met and agreed to let "cooler heads prevail." No other details regarding the meeting were disclosed.
Just days before the NFL draft, Brown publicly complained about his contract situation and demanded to be traded. The seven-year veteran cornerback felt the Eagles were unaware of his unhappiness with his contract, which runs through 2012.
The Eagles responded with a lengthy statement that criticized Brown's tactics, explained that his contract is indeed fair, and denied his request to be traded. During the draft that weekend, the Eagles acquired cornerback Ellis Hobbs from the Patriots for a pair of fifth-round picks. Hobbs and Brown shared reps with the first team during the post-draft minicamp.
Satisfied that his frustration is public, Brown said during the minicamp that he is ready to move forward and intent on preventing the situation from becoming a "media circus."
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2009, 08:30:31 AM
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You going forward in time to get that back cover of the Daily News is awesomely impressive.
From a blog fwiw
QuoteKent Somers
The other Boldin offer
After the draft, Cardinals General Manager Rod Graves said the team received two firm trade offers for receiver Anquan Boldin. Graves declined to reveal either offer, but Bears GM Jerry Angelo told local reporters that he offered a second-round pick.
The Eagles also made an offer, according to an NFL source: a third-round pick and starting cornerback Sheldon Brown. The Cardinals quickly rejected it.
Earlier this week, Eagles coach Andy Reid told a Philadelphia radio audience that the price for Boldin was too high, both in terms of trade compensation and a new contract. As a baseline, Reid threw out trade terms of first, third and fifth-round picks, in addition to a new contract worth $10 million or so a year.
Maybe Reid was trying to spin the situation to satisfy Eagles fans, some of whom have long clamored to trade for Boldin. In the radio interview, Reid went on to say that he didn't think the Cardinals ever really wanted to trade Boldin. Of course, it would be hard to determine that when the best offer is Brown and a third rounder.
Maybe the Eagles figured they would take a stab at stealing Boldin for a pittance. No harm in that.
The Eagles never offered more than the third round pick and Brown, a seven-year veteran who is unhappy with his current contract. The Cardinals didn't have a need for a starting cornerback after signing Bryant McFadden in free agency.
ooops
Cards really overvalued his worth around the league. A WR that talented on the trade market and they can't find a deal?
QuoteSheppard: "I'm Happy To Have A Fresh Start"
Posted by Aaron Wilson on May 16, 2009, 11:01 a.m.
Former Pro Bowl cornerback Lito Sheppard is embracing his new surroundings with the New York Jets, a change of scenery that essentially became a necessity after his relationship with the Philadelphia Eagles turned ultra-sour.
According to Bob Glauber of Newsday, Sheppard couldn't be happier to be out of Philadelphia after ending last season ranked fourth on the Eagles' defensive depth chart.
"I'm happy to have a fresh start," Sheppard told Newsday. "I have a lot of football left in me, and I'm glad to have a fair opportunity to show that."
Essentially, the beginning of the end for Sheppard was when he requested to have his contract redone after making it to the Pro Bowl for the second time in 2006.
"It started going downhill when I addressed the fact that I felt like I wanted a new deal," Sheppard said.
Then, the Eagles acquired former New England Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel. That development further depressed Sheppard's stock in Philadelphia.
Sheppard's past dealings with the Eagles' front office mirrors the current contract dispute of Philadelphia cornerback Sheldon Brown.
"I talked to him and told him it's the same thing I was going through," Sheppard said. "I already know what the outcome is going to be. He ultimately won't even be playing before the end of the season. It's a known fact. I hope they prove me wrong. ...
"I wish the league would do something. You feel like you're doing everything right, perfect teammate, working hard, doing everything you're supposed to do, but it doesn't work out in the end. There should be some rules of guidelines. You shouldn't be able to devalue an employee like that."
Of course, the NFL teams would counter correctly that a deal is a deal.
The ironic thing is Lito's still playing on basically the same deal he had with the Eagles (other than the shadow extension the Jets gave him which he'll never see a dime of). If he wasn't such a weak bitch he'd still be there and probably starting over Brown.
Good riddance Candyman.
the very last line of that article is completely true and completely vomit inducing. Â i would hope that the #1 issue for cba discussions is this massive double standard regarding contracts where teams feel they have no obligation to re-work contracts for players who have outperformed their deals but will also cut players simply to save cap space.....a deal that the team agreed to but for some reason isn't required to fulfill. Â
on the flip side though, hold outs need to come to an end too. Â even if the player is 100% right about wanting a new contract, it's not professional at all to simply stop showing up to work because you're unhappy with your deal. Â
They have no choice but to structure deals like that. How are you going to guarantee contracts in a sport where most players don't last 4 years because of the massive number of injuries that are sustained?
Yeah, the owners should stop being greedy pricks and renegotiate with core players who've out-performed their initial contracts or extensions, but the brutal nature of the game almost entirely precludes them from doing so.
And let's not forget that these guys are making millions of dollars too. They make more in a single season than most of us will make in 10 years. Hell, even the league minimum guys are making almost half a million a year, so let's not start beating our pets over their troubles.
Base salary for everyone, and bonuses for stats, playoff wins, and appearances on cable television sports highlight packages?
Quote from: General_Failure on May 16, 2009, 01:59:50 PM
Base salary for everyone, and bonuses for stats, playoff wins, and appearances on cable television sports highlight packages?
i wouldn't object to base salaries at all with incentive bonuses. that way the best players in the league are the highest paid players in the league. of course, it would never fly with the player's association though because what happens when week 17 rolls around and a player is 1 td or a couple tackles away from reaching their next bonus and doesn't play in a meaningless game because the coach doesn't want to risk injury heading into the playoffs? the player and the union could cry foul and i can't really say i'd blame them.Â
i think hugh douglas was in that situation a few years ago when the eagles played at tampa the final week in 2001 (the game was originally scheduled for the week of 9/11 but postponed for obvious reasons) and it was a meaningless game because regardless of the outcome, the bucs were going to play at philly for the wildcard game. so reid only ran the starters out for a series and then sat them. douglas (or whoever it was) only needed a sack or a couple tackles to reach an incentive bonus in their contract. there wasn't a big deal made over it but i think that's partly because the bonus paled in comparison to the contract. but if the majority of your contract is incentive based then i could certainly understand a player wanting every opportunity to be able to reach those goals.Â
it's great in theory but it would give the team even more control over how much money the players make and would ultimately be even worse than the current situation.
I suppose the playoff bonus would have to be better than the bonus for a couple of extra touchdowns and/or a hundred yards.
they already get playoff bonuses though.....unless you're talking about a dramatic increase in the dollar amount.
That's what I'm thinking, yes. Smaller bonuses for stats, larger bonuses for playoffs, Scrooge McDuck vault full of gold to swim in for winning the SB.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 16, 2009, 02:31:09 PM
Scrooge McDuck vault full of gold to swim in for winning the SB.
Consequences, schmonsequences... as long as I'm rich.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3993840447077465182
Union would never go for that. The other problem is, no one would ever play for the Lions again.
There'd still be signing bonuses, and the draft. And there could always be that guy out there who decides to go play for the zesty team to make more on stats because nobody else on the team can do a damn thing.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 16, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
the very last line of that article is completely true and completely vomit inducing. i would hope that the #1 issue for cba discussions is this massive double standard regarding contracts where teams feel they have no obligation to re-work contracts for players who have outperformed their deals but will also cut players simply to save cap space.....a deal that the team agreed to but for some reason isn't required to fulfill.
on the flip side though, hold outs need to come to an end too. even if the player is 100% right about wanting a new contract, it's not professional at all to simply stop showing up to work because you're unhappy with your deal.
Sarge, I have to disagree with some of this. There is a flip side to teams cutting players to create cap space. Guys like McDougle and Kearse cap-raped the Eagles for years and they couldn't be cut because of the cap hit. They got a lot of guaranteed money up front that couldn't be taken back even if they sucked ass (in McDougle's case) or greatly underperformed (in Kearse's case). Matthew Stafford as the #1 pick just got $42 freaking million dollars guaranteed up front before ever seeing an OTA.
Reggie Brown is still too expensive to cut (unless the capless year modifies that). Guys like Vick and Burress can get paid millions only to single handedly destroy their team for the year, and still get to keep much of their bonus even as their team takes a huge cap hit.
I don't think a guy like Sheldon Brown "outperformed his contract." That's agent-talk to bamboozle and spin things. He was given good fair pay at the time, in relation to what he had done and was expected to do in the future, as well as what similar players were getting. He decided to take some extra years in exchange for up front security. The Eagles incur the risk that he could become another Damon Moore or Ben Smith with a career ending injury, and Brown knew what he was signing on for. Since them he hasn't performed any better than he or the team expected. Sure they can look around and cherry pick a few guys recently getting huge bucks, but you never hear them talking about all the other players with comparable or greater performance getting less. All Pro Cortland Finnegan is making the same this year as Brown.
I do agree with this holding out stuff needs to stop, except in the case of tagged players.
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 17, 2009, 12:45:46 AM
Sarge, I have to disagree with some of this. There is a flip side to teams cutting players to create cap space. Guys like McDougle and Kearse cap-raped the Eagles for years and they couldn't be cut because of the cap hit. They got a lot of guaranteed money up front that couldn't be taken back even if they sucked ass (in McDougle's case) or greatly underperformed (in Kearse's case). Matthew Stafford as the #1 pick just got $42 freaking million dollars guaranteed up front before ever seeing an OTA.
Reggie Brown is still too expensive to cut (unless the capless year modifies that). Guys like Vick and Burress can get paid millions only to single handedly destroy their team for the year, and still get to keep much of their bonus even as their team takes a huge cap hit.
everything you just said is exactly why the entire contract system needs to be completely overhauled. ultimately, you got to the same point i did except you went from the opposite angle. the way nfl contracts are structured are complete garbage. the first couple of years of most contracts, the teams are at risk because the money is guaranteed to the player and if the player doesn't play up to the level of the contract, then the team is "forced" to keep him anyway because of the cap hit. the latter years of the contract put the player at risk because now the money isn't guaranteed and if his base salary is taking up too much cap space, then they are free to cut him without honoring their end of the contract.Â
take mcnabb for example. he still has a couple of years left on his deal but after this season, the eagles likely won't renegotiate his contract (barring a superbowl win) but because he's scheduled to make something like 12mil next year the eagles will release him to save that money. but this is the same front office that will tell sheldon brown to honor the contract that he signed. is that not a major double standard?Â
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I don't think a guy like Sheldon Brown "outperformed his contract." That's agent-talk to bamboozle and spin things. He was given good fair pay at the time, in relation to what he had done and was expected to do in the future, as well as what similar players were getting. He decided to take some extra years in exchange for up front security. The Eagles incur the risk that he could become another Damon Moore or Ben Smith with a career ending injury, and Brown knew what he was signing on for. Since them he hasn't performed any better than he or the team expected. Sure they can look around and cherry pick a few guys recently getting huge bucks, but you never hear them talking about all the other players with comparable or greater performance getting less. All Pro Cortland Finnegan is making the same this year as Brown.
i don't think brown has outplayed his contract either.....at least not significantly. although i can't say i blame the guy for wanting to talk about his contract because he knows that he'll never see the money on the back end of it.Â
QuoteI do agree with this holding out stuff needs to stop, except in the case of tagged players.
completely disagree. the players union agreed to the franchise tag and all of the rules surrounding it. so every time a team excersizes their right to use the tag, then the player needs to stfu and go to work because his union felt that it was a fair deal. every time a player hold out after the team uses a franchise tag on him, he's not thumbing his nose at the team. he's thumbing it at the union imo.Â
you guarantee money not contracts....sheldon brown absolutely has outplayed his deal...so what you do is tell him hes going to make x amount of dollars over the next 2-3 years no matter what
That's exactly what they should do. They won't because the Eagles are right up against the salary cap now. Fo' rill.
An article about Sheldon that adds absolutely nothing that we don't know already.
QuoteUnder The Cap: The Eagles and Sheldon Brown
by J.I. Halsell
As we all know, Sheldon Brown of the Philadelphia Eagles is currently disgruntled with his contract and has openly voiced his opinion in this regard. The Eagles have a long history of giving extensions to young players who may only be two to three years into their rookie contracts. In the middle of his third season, for instance, Brown accepted and signed a contract for nine years, $7.5 millon guaranteed, and an average of $2.82 million per year. At the time of the signing, Brown was 25 years old; therefore, he agreed to be contractually bound to the Eagles until age 34. Now at age 30, Brown plays in the defensive backfield with a fellow corner in Asante Samuel, who inked a free agent contract for six years, $23.6 million guaranteed. It averages $9.5 million per year, and binds Samuel to the Eagles until he's 33.
Eagles CBs: Samuel vs. Brown
Player A.Samuel S.Brown
Date Signed 3/1/2008 11/5/2004
Accrued Seasons when Contract Signed 5 1/2/1900
Type of Contract Unrestricted Free Agent Extension
Term 6 years 9 years
Age when Signed 27 25
Age when Contract Expires 33 34
Guarantee $23,605,000 $7,500,000
Average Per Year $9,523,333 $2,820,556
Had Sheldon Brown decided to pass on Philly's offer of an extension in 2004, he would have become an Unrestricted Free Agent after the 2005 season (unless Philly chose to Franchise him at $5.89 million guaranteed for one year). In the offseason leading up to the 2006 season, free agent corners Brian Williams and Will Allen inked UFA contracts respectively with Jacksonville and Miami. Williams' UFA contract with Jacksonville was for six years, $10 million guaranteed, and $5.33 million per year; while Allen's UFA contract with Miami was for four years, $4.5 million guaranteed, and $3.25 million per year. So when you look at Brown compared to the corners who he would have hit the market with, he not only is under contract until a later stage of his career, but on a per-year basis he's making less in total contract value and less in the all-important guaranteed money. Simply put, in retrospect, it would have probably been in the best interest of Brown to be patient for another season and a half and then contemplate either an extension with the Eagles at that point or explore the free agency market, as one would think he would have gotten a better deal than the one he's currently saddled with.
Comparable 2006 UFA CBs
Player B.Williams W.Allen S.Brown
Date Signed 3/13/2006 3/20/2006 11/5/2004
Accrued Seasons when Contract Signed 4 5 2
Type of Contract Unrestricted Free Agent Unrestricted Free Agent Extension
Term 6 years 4 years 9 years
Age when Signed 26 27 25
Age when Contract Expires 32 31 34
Guarantee $10,000,000 $4,500,000 $7,500,000
Guarantee Per Year $1,666,666 $1,125,000 $833,333
Contract Average Per Year $5,333,333 $3,250,000 $2,820,556
The thing about locking yourself into a deal for so long is that, while you're "stuck" at $2.82 million per year in the case of Brown versus the corner market, the market for corners, and all positions for that matter, continues to escalate. The increase in the corner market is illustrated in the increase of the Franchise tender from $5.89 million in 2006 to $9.96 million in 2009; that's a 69 percent increase in three seasons.
From the player's perspective, there are not too many pros to signing an extension with the length of Sheldon Brown's. Surely receiving $7.5 million in guaranteed money is hard to pass up, when that's more than the total value of your rookie contract; so you're presented with the opportunity to receive an amount of money that is truly tantalizing. However, when put into perspective, is this $7.5 million today worth the under-compensation over the course of the contract in the long run? Definitely not, but it illustrates how a club can use the emphasis of guaranteed money on the part of players and agents against them. The biggest issue with Brown's contract is the duration of the deal. The fact that he sacrificed his ability to hit the market until age 34 is an egregious mistake on the part of Brown and his agent.
The Eagles signed Shawn Andrews and Mike Patterson to similar early extensions:
Some of the Eagles' Current Early Extensions
Player M.Patterson S.Brown S.Andrews
Date Signed 11/2/2006 11/5/2004 6/16/2006
Accrued Seasons when Contract Signed 2 2 2
Type of Contract Extension Extension Extension
Term 11 years 9 years 10 years
Age when Signed 23 25 23
Age when Contract Expires 34 34 33
Guarantee $9,000,000 $7,500,000 $10,000,000
Average Per Year $3,125,023 $2,820,556 $3,845,500
From the club's perspective, the pro to these types of extensions is obvious, in that you're getting players who you anticipate to be a significant part of your team at a compensation rate below market. So as the cap increases and as the players' respective position markets increase, you've locked in your labor at below-market compensation, thereby allowing you freedom in your cap management to pursue the Asante Samuelses of the world in free agency. Conversely, the con to doing these deals is that you run the risk of giving a player a significant amount of guaranteed money after they've only shown their ability for two years. The player could in the long run end up not living up to your expectations.
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An even bigger concern is that you eventually end up with players like Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown, who eventually realize that they're being paid below market and become disgruntled as a result. So if players were simply assets without emotions, then this early extension concept would be perfect; however, since we're talking about athletes who are sensitive about their income status, this concept leads to acrimony in the locker room which doesn't exactly lend itself to the perceived harmonious team concept of winning teams.
To their credit, Philly is doing something right. They have been a consistent winner for the past decade (albeit without a Super Bowl ring). Having a legitimate franchise quarterback in Donavon McNabb helps (he may not be Peyton Manning, but he's no Bobby Hoying). After all, if you look around the league, those teams with solid and consistent quarterback play are the teams that succeed.
The quarterback in Philly, by the way, also signed an early extension in his career and has since played under a contract that has paid him $5.75 million per year; while quarterbacks like Marc Bulger, Matt Schaub, and David Garrard make in excess of $8 million per year, not to mention Matt Stafford's $12 million per year. So to his credit, McNabb has done a good job of biting his tongue for the most part and being a good company guy.
Other players who have signed early extensions across the league include Rashean Mathis, Devin Hester, Anquan Boldin, Osi Umenyiora, and Kevin Williams:
Other NFL Early Extensions
Player R.Mathis D.Hester A.Boldin O.Umenyiora K.Williams
Date Signed 8/23/2005 7/28/2008 8/1/2005 12/27/2005 12/26/2006
Accrued Seasons when Contract Signed 2 2 2 3 3
Club JAC CHI ARI NYG MIN
Term 7 years 6 years 6 years 8 years 9 years
Age when Signed 24 25 24 24 26
Age when Contract Expires 31 31 30 32 35
Guarantee $9,400,000 $15,000,000 $10,000,000 $14,000,000 $16,000,000
Average Per Year $3,762,857 $3,838,671 $3,916,667 $4,230,000 $4,957,333
This concept of early extensions isn't unique to the Eagles; they have simply employed it more frequently than other teams. In Arizona, Anquan Boldin's grief is as a result of an early extension that now underpays him; it doesn't help that every time he lines up, he sees on the other side of him a wide receiver in Larry Fitzgerald who's making $10 million per year, while he's making $3.92 million per year and other top tier receivers are making $9 million per year. Kevin Williams in Minnesota may be a happy camper today, but when Albert Haynesworth is getting $41 million guaranteed and $14.29 million per year, he could easily have an Anquan Boldin type attitude in a few seasons.
The moral of the story is that no one put a gun to the heads of these players who have signed these early extensions; therefore, if you and your agent allow yourselves to be "bamboozled" by the early extension offering of a club (particularly one that defers your free agency until age 34), then you have no one to blame but yourself and you should honor your contract. Instead of signing a nine-year contract, go the route of Bart Scott, who played out his rookie contract, then signed a three-year extension that guaranteed him $6.5 million, but more importantly positioned him, due to the fact that it was only three years in duration, to receive another big payday this year at age 29 that pays him a guarantee of $13.5 million
I don't believe that article makes it clear enough that the Eagles are 100% to blame for this situation. fargin' J.I. Halsell.
I also feel that Darwin Walker's deserved some ink there, but whatever. This guy's obviously a hack.
how's his thigh?
I haven't heard anything. You?
I'm waiting for a tweet
http://twitter.com/lukethighwalker ???
I would love to see the current sysem modified in such a way that the franchise tag actually meant just that.
Each team would be able to identify a "core" of ten players, five on offense and five on defense and pay them any amount they can negotiate with them and not have it count against their cap.
This would allow teams to keep their good players that they have trained and made into good to great football players from simply jumping ship and making some other team better.
The league would still be highly compettitive as teams would have to be extremely careful which players they tag and such a system would have the added bennefit of spurring hours and hours of non-productive bloviating and opining about just who was included or left off the list.
Another added benefit is the fact that fans would have a more realistic oportunity to root for players rather than laundry.
sheldon only bird not to show at todays (voluntary) OTA's
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 02, 2009, 02:03:19 PM
sheldon only bird not to show at todays (non voluntary) OTA's
Yeah and in Spudds piece he re-iterated Sheldon's statement that he would not be a distraction and then went on to say it was not known whether his asence was excused or not. Kind of begs the question: how do you go about getting excused from a non-mandatory OTA?
Is Spads trying, as the mouthpiece, to stir up ill will against SB?
Quote from: Displaced on June 02, 2009, 02:09:06 PM
Kind of begs the question: how do you go about getting excused from a non-mandatory OTA?
Attending a funeral is usually a good way to get permission. Your own funeral probably works best.
Quote from: Displaced on June 02, 2009, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 02, 2009, 02:03:19 PM
sheldon only bird not to show at todays (non voluntary) OTA's
Yeah and in Spudds piece he re-iterated Sheldon's statement that he would not be a distraction and then went on to say it was not known whether his asence was excused or not. Kind of begs the question: how do you go about getting excused from a non-mandatory OTA?
Is Spads trying, as the mouthpiece, to stir up ill will against SB?
i originally mis typed when i said non voluntary
im pretty sure they are voluntary arent they?
they are voluntary
Stop saying voluntary.
You want them to voluntarily stop saying it?
Quote from: General_Failure on June 02, 2009, 02:29:07 PM
You want them to voluntarily stop saying it?
Or should they get excused first?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 02, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: Displaced on June 02, 2009, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 02, 2009, 02:03:19 PM
sheldon only bird not to show at todays (non voluntary) OTA's
Yeah and in Spudds piece he re-iterated Sheldon's statement that he would not be a distraction and then went on to say it was not known whether his asence was excused or not. Kind of begs the question: how do you go about getting excused from a non-mandatory OTA?
Is Spads trying, as the mouthpiece, to stir up ill will against SB?
My bad IGY I assumed you said voluntary without reading carefully. Yeah they are. The point I was making was he didn't need an excuse but Spuds raised the question anyway.
i originally mis typed when i said non voluntary
im pretty sure they are voluntary arent they?
You also posted without quoting carefully.
High Douglas was on Fox29 and said he spoke with Sheldon, and this is a Family issue, not related to the contract. Oh, and pigs fly
the eagles used to be his family
he's toweling off Jim Johnson's forehead and holding his ears while he pukes
nm
Quote from: SunMo on June 03, 2009, 08:47:48 AM
he's toweling off Jim Johnson's forehead and holding his ears while he pukes
you are a good guy
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 03, 2009, 08:28:15 AM
the eagles used to be his familyplayground, this used to be childhood dream...
Quote from: SunMo on June 03, 2009, 08:47:48 AM
he's toweling off Jim Johnson's forehead and holding his ears while he pukes
Substitute Jim Johnson for some flapjack-tittied pole-jockey and I watched a porn that was remarkably similar to this just this morning.
Facial Abuse?
Which NFL players deserve more cash? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dealornodealwhichnflplay&prov=tsn&type=lgns)
QuoteThe Eagles like to sign young players to long-term deals. The goal is to give the player financial security before he develops the leverage to command a much bigger contract.
The problem, as the contract progresses, is the player forgets about that signing bonus and obsesses over the fact his remaining base salaries don't look so good in comparison to those paid to younger players of inferior skill.
Legally, the Eagles are right to remind the players they are expected to honor the contracts they signed. As a practical matter, however, the Eagles risk discord in the locker room.
As to Andrews and Brown, who both previously signed long-term deals, only one deserves an adjustment.
Brown, a cornerback, has been vocal about his desire to replace the last four years of a six-year contract. Andrews, an offensive lineman, is believed to want an adjustment to a contract that runs through 2015.
Generally speaking, both should be prepared to honor their commitments. For Andrews, however, the fact he's in the process of moving from guard to tackle justifies an adjustment, especially since his brother Stacy presumably was paid like a tackle and now will move to guard.
Then again, both guys will have a better argument for more money if the Eagles choose to adjust the last two seasons of quarterback Donovan McNabb's(notes) contract to reflect his market value.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 03, 2009, 08:18:31 AM
High Douglas was on Fox29 and said he spoke with Sheldon, and this is a Family issue, not related to the contract.
he doesn't have enough money to feed them, so it's both
Andrews doesn't deserve a raise. I don't give a shtein how talented he is. If he can't stay on the field then he doesn't get another cent.
Brown's started for six straight years, never missed a game, and has often been the most reliable player on defense. He not only deserves to get the rest of his contract guaranteed, he deserves a raise as well.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zLVJerNm_LQ/Srac_iMNaPI/AAAAAAAAAXw/cEAk5P3HKh4/s400/sheldonbrownjason.jpg)
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the entire defense should be wearing masks
They do, silly. The league requires all players to.
oh, right, then they shouldn't be wearing them so they get their farging faces broke
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
the entire defense should be wearing masks
But but they totally dominated the Panthers and shtein.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2009, 08:43:43 PM
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
the entire defense should be wearing masks
But but they totally dominated the Panthers and shtein.
best D ever. Seriously, where is King Cole now?
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
the entire defense should be wearing masks
and a gun 'cause they stole their game day checks today.
QuoteAccording to Anthony Gargano on 610 WIP, the mask was a reference to a pre-season team function where he told Banner he didn't want to talk to him about his contract anymore - or talk to him about ANYTHING for that matter.
The mask was directed at the Eagles FRONT OFFICE, not the Saints or Reggie Bush.
The part of the mask Sheldon was trying to emphasize symbolically was the part without the mouth hole on it.
He also said he intends on wearing the mask every game that the Defense is introduced first. He also said that he asked the other players in the lockeroom if they were OK with it and they all said they were cool with it.
Post from the EMB...
Hey Sheldon, you weirdo, quit worrying about masks and props and worry about playing defense.
Thanks.
get mad at the one guy who actually showed up yesterday?
Did he?
I don't care if the guy had two more picks. Who the farg wears a mask onto the field for intro's?
it was farging awesome, i hope he brings a chainsaw next time
Win games.
Stop some WRs.
Bring that next time.
WWE prop costumes FTL
He's the best CB on this team and maybe the best in the NFL right now. He's absolutely the most physical on this team. Samuel plays like a bitch.
Drunk.
Quote from: King Cole on September 21, 2009, 03:51:26 PM
He's the best CB on this team and maybe the best in the NFL right now. He's absolutely the most physical on this team. Samuel plays like a bitch.
LMAO, you have to be fake
Him and Asomugha are the two best corners in football. Few corners can cover, play at the line, tackle and hit like Sheldon Brown can. He's the complete package. You make it seem like he isn't in the discussion. Even if you disagree with him being arguably the best, he most certainly is top 7 at worst, and anyone in that group can have an argument made for them.
Sheldon played well yesterday. Samuel was atrocious.
I thought Brown did fine. I'm glad he's out there. Samuel? WTF was that yesterday? It looked like he just didn't give a shtein.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 20, 2009, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 20, 2009, 08:43:43 PM
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
the entire defense should be wearing masks
But but they totally dominated the Panthers and shtein.
best D ever. Seriously, where is King Cole now?
One dominating game and one dominated game. I tend to think they probably fall somewhere in the middle. Top 10 :paranoid not unless they do some major shtein, like teach their lb's to cover and tackle.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 21, 2009, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 21, 2009, 03:51:26 PM
He's the best CB on this team and maybe the best in the NFL right now. He's absolutely the most physical on this team. Samuel plays like a bitch.
LMAO, you have to be fake
youre a straight crack head son...do I have to name 5 other corners that are better than him, with better awareness, hands and speed? dont ask me because I wont
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2009, 01:49:27 PM
Win games.
Stop some WRs.
Bring that next time.
not that i care either way about the mask....but didnt he stop some wr's and win a game the week before he wore the mask...if youre gonna rock one when do you do it if it isnt after a game like the carolina one...not that it matters anyway as it was a protest against the front office not an on the field statement
and sheldon is easily in the conversation as one of the best corners in the nfl...saying hes THE best is untrue but hes easily top 10 and in the convo for top 5 all around best corners...didnt we already go over this in the spring?
Yeah, it was one of those arguments where you thought you were completely 100% right, but you weren't.
You know, the usual.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2009, 01:49:27 PM
Win games.
Stop some WRs.
Bring that next time.
not that i care either way about the mask....but didnt he stop some wr's and win a game the week before he wore the mask...if youre gonna rock one when do you do it if it isnt after a game like the carolina one...not that it matters anyway as it was a protest against the front office not an on the field statement
and sheldon is easily in the conversation as one of the best corners in the nfl...saying hes THE best is untrue but hes easily top 10 and in the convo for top 5 all around best corners...didnt we already go over this in the spring?
I don't think you rock anything like that. MAYBE during the week in the locker room when the vultures descend for their quotes and sound bytes, but not during intros.
To me, you make those protests with your play; not with props coming out on the field.
I like Sheldon. I'm not sure if I'd put him top 10 though.
Without going through the rosters, off the top of my head:
Nnamdi Asomugha
Darrell Revis
Asante Samuel
Cortland Finnegan
Antoine Winfield
Nate Clements
Charles Woodson
Rashean Mathis
Champ Bailey
Antonio Cromartie
The Eagles got no pressure on Brees and he carved up the d-backs as a result.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2009, 01:49:27 PM
Win games.
Stop some WRs.
Bring that next time.
not that i care either way about the mask....but didnt he stop some wr's and win a game the week before he wore the mask...if youre gonna rock one when do you do it if it isnt after a game like the carolina one...not that it matters anyway as it was a protest against the front office not an on the field statement
and sheldon is easily in the conversation as one of the best corners in the nfl...saying hes THE best is untrue but hes easily top 10 and in the convo for top 5 all around best corners...didnt we already go over this in the spring?
I don't think you rock anything like that. MAYBE during the week in the locker room when the vultures descend for their quotes and sound bytes, but not during intros.
To me, you make those protests with your play; not with props coming out on the field.
I like Sheldon. I'm not sure if I'd put him top 10 though.
Without going through the rosters, off the top of my head:
Nnamdi Asomugha
Darrell Revis
Asante Samuel
Cortland Finnegan
Antoine Winfield
Nate Clements
Charles Woodson
Rashean Mathis
Champ Bailey
Antonio Cromartie
im just saying you said win games and stop wr's....and thats what he did last week
but again its an irrelevant issue as it was a front office protest not an on the field one
as for that liust hes def better than cromartie and woodson
hes not as good as champ or asomunga
and hes right there with everyone else on that list...in other words hes in the mix as one of the best corners in the nfl
It's all opinion for sure, but those are the guys who I'd take right now over him.
I don't dig the "make a statement" props. The way I see it is if you want to make a statement, go out and do your job and prove that you should get caked off. He did that in week one. But it loses its luster when he starts doing silly shtein like this.
Play the game.
Just like I had a beef with Dunta Robinson putting "Pay Me Rick" on the back of his shoes.
Don't take contract disputes out onto the field.
I just thought he wanted to look awesome. Which he did.
lol @ phreak sidin with the FO
again
LOL at your misguided thoughts that I always side with the FO.
This has nothing to do with the FO. This has to do with me not wanting Sheldon taking his pissing matches with them out onto the field.
aint no pissin match. dude aint getting paid and banner is an other-wordly prick. farg him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2009, 01:49:27 PM
Win games.
Stop some WRs.
Bring that next time.
not that i care either way about the mask....but didnt he stop some wr's and win a game the week before he wore the mask...if youre gonna rock one when do you do it if it isnt after a game like the carolina one...not that it matters anyway as it was a protest against the front office not an on the field statement
and sheldon is easily in the conversation as one of the best corners in the nfl...saying hes THE best is untrue but hes easily top 10 and in the convo for top 5 all around best corners...didnt we already go over this in the spring?
I don't think you rock anything like that. MAYBE during the week in the locker room when the vultures descend for their quotes and sound bytes, but not during intros.
To me, you make those protests with your play; not with props coming out on the field.
I like Sheldon. I'm not sure if I'd put him top 10 though.
Without going through the rosters, off the top of my head:
Nnamdi Asomugha
Darrell Revis
Asante Samuel
Cortland Finnegan
Antoine Winfield
Nate Clements
Charles Woodson
Rashean Mathis
Champ Bailey
Antonio Cromartie
Nnamdi Asomugha - I think he's the best in the NFL
Darrell Revis - he's very good, but what can he do that Sheldon can't? He hasn't really proven to be better than Sheldon is. He may have a little better speed than Sheldon.
Asante Samuel - my opinion on Samuel has went down since he's come here. He's not physical and can't tackle. I'm kind of getting tired of his BS to be honest.
Cortland Finnegan - my most overrated player in the NFL. Every time I see him he gets torched. Don't like him a little bit.
Antoine Winfield - very good and he's up there, but I'll take Sheldon. It's definitely close. I think Sheldon has a little better knack for the ball.
Nate Clements - very good corner. He's up there.
Charles Woodson - he's not what he used to be, although he's still plenty good. I'll take Sheldon.
Rashean Mathis - from what I've seen of him, he's been mediocre since his great year a couple seasons ago.
Champ Bailey - always thought he was overrated, and he hasn't been his pro bowl self in years. Playing solely on name now.
Antonio Cromartie - can make amazing plays, but isn't a great cover corner. Relies on athleticism too much.
Not ripping you, just giving my take. I think Sheldon is better and more complete than most of those corners. May not make the explosive pick 6, but as far as flat out being a cover corner, I'll take Sheldon. Especially since Burress is done in the NFL for the forseeable future.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2009, 08:59:25 PM
go out and do your job and prove that you should get caked off.
Don't take contract disputes out onto the field.
hes done his job for years and didnt get caked off...he also tried to do the contract thing the "right way"...and he still is...i just dont see the mask being a big deal in either direction
somebody a couple of posts ago asked what can Darelle Revis do that Sheldon Brown cant?
effectively cover #1 corners. Revis has consistently shut down Randy Moss in multiple games and flat shut out Andre Johnson. Please dont put Sheldon Brown in that category
I like the guy, but cmon now..we've seen homeboy get burnt way too many times
Stop. Lito Sheppard shut down TO and Randy Moss multiple times. Then he'll not show up against a mediocre receiver.
Sheldon had issues with Burress, but other than that, he's gotten burnt no more than any other great corner in this league. He didn't let up a TD until the NFCCG game last year for crying out loud.
Brown is a good player. Maybe even a very good player. But he isn't great and he's nowhere near top 5. Kill yourselves.
hes 100% top ten....im not good at math but if thats nowhere near the top five then so be it
its really not that important
hes an excellent corner
any talk beyond that is strictly semantics
I agree with a rjs he is a good to very good corner. I take him on my team all day every day, but lets not get carried away with this top 5 or top 10 shtein. Irrelevant anyway some corners that are great are only so in their particular systems.
you people are just hearing top ________ (fill in blank) and wigging out...or you thinking of strictly cover corners
its not like cornerback is some deep or overly talented position in the league right now...hes a no brainer top 10 all around corner in the nfl right now
Can we all just agree that he's at least top 50 and move on to something more interesting? Like what dumb stunt will he pull this week?
Freddy Krueger mask this week?
I was thinking Chuckie, but maybe he'll save that for October 11 vs. Tampa Bay.
Wait. Wigging out?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2009, 03:45:06 PM
you people are just hearing top ________ (fill in blank) and wigging out...or you thinking of strictly cover corners
its not like cornerback is some deep or overly talented position in the league right now...hes a no brainer top 10 all around corner in the nfl right now
I don't think I was wigging out just making a statement. I have no issues with Sheldon as a player on the Eagles.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 22, 2009, 03:27:31 PM
I agree with a rjs he is a good to very good corner. I take him on my team all day every day, but lets not get carried away with this top 5 or top 10 shtein. Irrelevant anyway some corners that are great are only so in their particular systems.
I agree!
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is that sheldon's mask for this week?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 22, 2009, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2009, 03:45:06 PM
you people are just hearing top ________ (fill in blank) and wigging out...or you thinking of strictly cover corners
its not like cornerback is some deep or overly talented position in the league right now...hes a no brainer top 10 all around corner in the nfl right now
I don't think I was wigging out just making a statement. I have no issues with Sheldon as a player on the Eagles.
what im saying is people are hearing hes a top corner and automatically saying no way instead of being able to name 10 guys that are definitely better than him
cb is not like the qb position where someone like donovan whos a pretty good qb and a better qb than sheldon is a corner yet wouldnt be in the top 5 even at a position that holds only one spot on the field
QuoteDid Sheldon Brown wear that mask last week in pregame because he thought he was a superhero after a two-interception performance? Or did he know the game was going to be an embarrassment, so he wanted to hide his face?
Actually, Pat, the answer to your question is neither. Brown wore it as a statement against the organization about his contract, and although Brown had a $10,000 fine waiting for him in his locker yesterday, don't be surprised to see him do it again. Some things are just worth it. In his eight-year career here, Brown has never missed a start, a string of 126 consecutive regular-season and playoff games. He has said he feels he deserves a new deal, but knows he probably won't get one. So be it. From the guys I talked to in the locker room, Brown's teammates loved Brown's statement, too.
Was it from the team or the league?
no doubt it was the league
probably a violation of the TO sharpie rule that prevents players from bringing foreign objects onto the field.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 24, 2009, 05:57:01 PM
probably a violation of the TO sharpie rule that prevents players from bringing foreign objects onto the field.
The foreign object rule only applies during the actual game. Sheldon's good to go.
No mask today.
He should take a page out of Jim McMahon's book and wear a Goodell mask.
I know a guy who is the business partner of a someone who has been with the Eagles for some time, and that reminds me of a story he told about crazy shtein McMahon would do. One year his roommate was O-lineman Ron Solt. McMahon would grab some other players and sneak out after curfew and get all farged up. They'd come back to McMahon's room and Solt was a big mouth breather and snored real loud. So McMahon says "I found a way to shut him up!" and he T-bags Solt while he's asleep. That's some risky shtein at TC.
During the pitching change, I thought it is a good time to bring up this guy definitely deserves a new contract. And I am happy to say I was wrong not only is he one of the top 10 corners, right now he is top 5. Sign this guy, don't let him leave like Dawk.
he's playing like he wants to be paid. good enough for me.