Sheldon Brown wants to be traded

[ice grillin you]

lito wasnt hurt when they took his starting position away before mini camps even started

you want samuel to add to your corners then have a traning camp war for the two starting spots btwn samuel lito and sheldon i have no problem with it

[Kenzinger]

lito wasnt hurt when they took his starting position away before mini camps even started

you want samuel to add to your corners then have a traning camp war for the two starting spots btwn samuel lito and sheldon i have no problem with it

Samuel and Brown are both better CBs than Lito - that's why they were starters and he wasn't. Instead of bitching about it Lito could have come to camp and worked his ass off. Instead, he whined and moaned all year and didn't even play well when he got on the field.

That's really the Eagles fault? You think they'd have been 1st in passing defense instead of 3rd if he was starting instead of Brown?

[Sgt PSN]

I just have to disagree with you. There is no magic formula for dollars spent that just gets you into the playoffs but no further. If throwing dollars around = playoffs the taterskins would be a contender every year. I think the Eagles want to win a championship - for the same reason the fans want one, but also to shut the media up and because it's a surefire way to increase revenue.

The Eagles aren't cheap but they have a philosophy that includes targetting more money into un-sexy positions like the O and DL and investing in youth, locking up promising young players to long-term deals and more often than not letting older vets walk. I'm not sure this is the way to win a Super Bowl, but I also don't think it has anything to do with being cheap. They just believe that's the way to build a contender.

I agree with a lot of the criticism of this team but the whole idea that they're cheap or just in it for $$$ is bull.

1.  if you really think that ownership, management or even the players want to win a championship for the same reason as the fans, then i simply don't know what to say.  i probably shouldn't continue responding because if that is truly what you think, then you clearly don't live in reality.  i'm not saying that to be a fleshpop, but i think you're looking from a tainted view.  

owners/management wants maximum profit with minimal investment/risk.  winning championships doesn't factor into that.  

players want to win because they are competitive and have been working their whole lives to reach the pinnacle of their respective sport.  they could give a damn about what city they play in or how long it's been since that team's last championship.  do you think ryan howard really gives a crap that he helped win the city's first championship in 20some years?  all he cares about, and should care about, is the fact that his 20some years of work have gotten him to the top.  

fans want teams to win to gain validation for spending their time and money following said team.  

2.  contender, yes.  champion, no.  there is a difference.  

3.  whether fans choose to accept reality or not, owning a sports franchise is a business.  jeff lurie's goal is to take the least amount of money and turn it into the most amount of money possible.  expecting anything else is naive and foolish.  

[ice grillin you]

theres no chance sheldon is a better cb than a healthy lito and samuel is marginally better if at all

again if you want samuel to protect again litos injury history fine...but dont try and all of sudden act like lito wasnt an excellent corner when he played...you actually sounded a lot like banner there

and by twisting it and revising history to defend the front office you sound a ton like his buddy eskin

[Kenzinger]

I just have to disagree with you. There is no magic formula for dollars spent that just gets you into the playoffs but no further. If throwing dollars around = playoffs the taterskins would be a contender every year. I think the Eagles want to win a championship - for the same reason the fans want one, but also to shut the media up and because it's a surefire way to increase revenue.

The Eagles aren't cheap but they have a philosophy that includes targetting more money into un-sexy positions like the O and DL and investing in youth, locking up promising young players to long-term deals and more often than not letting older vets walk. I'm not sure this is the way to win a Super Bowl, but I also don't think it has anything to do with being cheap. They just believe that's the way to build a contender.

I agree with a lot of the criticism of this team but the whole idea that they're cheap or just in it for $$$ is bull.

1.  if you really think that ownership, management or even the players want to win a championship for the same reason as the fans, then i simply don't know what to say.  i probably shouldn't continue responding because if that is truly what you think, then you clearly don't live in reality.  i'm not saying that to be a fleshpop, but i think you're looking from a tainted view.  

owners/management wants maximum profit with minimal investment/risk.  winning championships doesn't factor into that.  

players want to win because they are competitive and have been working their whole lives to reach the pinnacle of their respective sport.  they could give a damn about what city they play in or how long it's been since that team's last championship.  do you think ryan howard really gives a crap that he helped win the city's first championship in 20some years?  all he cares about, and should care about, is the fact that his 20some years of work have gotten him to the top.  

fans want teams to win to gain validation for spending their time and money following said team.  

2.  contender, yes.  champion, no.  there is a difference.  

3.  whether fans choose to accept reality or not, owning a sports franchise is a business.  jeff lurie's goal is to take the least amount of money and turn it into the most amount of money possible.  expecting anything else is naive and foolish.  

I think we've reached an impasse on this one and we're not going to agree.

I don't think ownership wants to win a championship for entirely the same reason as the fans. I'm just saying that I believe they do want to win a Super Bowl, if for no other reason than it will bring in more $$$.

The Eagles IMO have a philosophy on how to win and they stubbornly stick to it. Sometimes it doesn't work. Most of the time they're right. They're certainly right a lot more often than the pundits or the fans.

[Kenzinger]

theres no chance sheldon is a better cb than a healthy lito and samuel is marginally better if at all

again if you want samuel to protect again litos injury history fine...but dont try and all of sudden act like lito wasnt an excellent corner when he played...you actually sounded a lot like banner there

and by twisting it and revising history to defend the front office you sound a ton like his buddy eskin

I'm being serious here: Lito could not stay healthy and his play badly regressed. He missed 14 games in the 3 years prior to last year and had a particularly bad '07 season when we finished 19th in passing defense. Brown has always been a better CB than Lito, he just doesn't get the attention because he's more of a steady cover corner than a playmaker.

Had Lito played hard he probably would've been on the field almost as much as Brown - the Eagles use their nickel corner a lot. But he dogged it and became a major liability. That has nothing to do with the Eagles commitment to winning. They had a better pass D without Lito last year.

[reese125]

Ellis Hobbs has almost identical numbers to Sheldon Brown in his first 4 years as a starter (Brown has more sacks)

let the good times roll

[ice grillin you]

theres no chance sheldon is a better cb than a healthy lito and samuel is marginally better if at all

again if you want samuel to protect again litos injury history fine...but dont try and all of sudden act like lito wasnt an excellent corner when he played...you actually sounded a lot like banner there

and by twisting it and revising history to defend the front office you sound a ton like his buddy eskin

I'm being serious here: Lito could not stay healthy and his play badly regressed. He missed 14 games in the 3 years prior to last year and had a particularly bad '07 season when we finished 19th in passing defense. Brown has always been a better CB than Lito, he just doesn't get the attention because he's more of a steady cover corner than a playmaker.

Had Lito played hard he probably would've been on the field almost as much as Brown - the Eagles use their nickel corner a lot. But he dogged it and became a major liability. That has nothing to do with the Eagles commitment to winning. They had a better pass D without Lito last year.

i dont know why youre bringing up litos injury history...no one is saying that samuel shouldnt have been signed because lito got hurt...in fact i am record as saying lito shouldnt have gotten a new dewal because of his injury history

but what does litos injury history have to do with his job being stripped in march when hes healthy....are you saying they took a job from a guy without having it settled on the field whether by performance or injury

if lito was such an injury problem then cut him...but to sign a guy at his position and take his spot away without the new man ever having played a down on the team is a complete slap in the face

and if you think all lito had to do was play hard for him to get a starting job then youre notwacthing...again they took his job away in MARCH...way before he ever played at all much less didnt play hard


im done here....as you said agree to disagree cause youre clearly looking at this thru banner inc glasses as i suspect you do on most all things

[Kenzinger]

theres no chance sheldon is a better cb than a healthy lito and samuel is marginally better if at all

again if you want samuel to protect again litos injury history fine...but dont try and all of sudden act like lito wasnt an excellent corner when he played...you actually sounded a lot like banner there

and by twisting it and revising history to defend the front office you sound a ton like his buddy eskin

I'm being serious here: Lito could not stay healthy and his play badly regressed. He missed 14 games in the 3 years prior to last year and had a particularly bad '07 season when we finished 19th in passing defense. Brown has always been a better CB than Lito, he just doesn't get the attention because he's more of a steady cover corner than a playmaker.

Had Lito played hard he probably would've been on the field almost as much as Brown - the Eagles use their nickel corner a lot. But he dogged it and became a major liability. That has nothing to do with the Eagles commitment to winning. They had a better pass D without Lito last year.

i dont know why youre bringing up litos injury history...no one is saying that samuel shouldnt have been signed because lito got hurt...in fact i am record as saying lito shouldnt have gotten a new dewal because of his injury history

but what does litos injury history have to do with his job being stripped in march when hes healthy....are you saying they took a job from a guy without having it settled on the field whether by performance or injury

if lito was such an injury problem then cut him...but to sign a guy at his position and take his spot away without the new man ever having played a down on the team is a complete slap in the face

and if you think all lito had to do was play hard for him to get a starting job then youre notwacthing...again they took his job away in MARCH...way before he ever played at all much less didnt play hard


im done here....as you said agree to disagree cause youre clearly looking at this thru banner inc glasses as i suspect you do on most all things

I don't get your point. There's no question that Asante Samuel is a better and more durable CB than Lito. The Eagles thought Brown was the better cornerback and I think they were/are right. So yeah, Lito lost his job because he was chronically injured, had a bad year in 2007 and the Eagles had better options on the roster. They also finished 3rd in passing defense - a huge improvement over the year before. Lito can go play nickel corner for the Jets and hope his skills didn't diminish after a year of dogging it. Win-win.

Banner inc. glasses? Well if you're going to be like that, your rant reminds me of those boobs on WIP who are both the loudest AND stupidest guys at the bar. Are you really crying about Lito Sheppard? He's gone man, let it go.

[Munson]

And ken nails IGY's WIP fanboy-ness in less than 50 posts.


Change up the game, igs, you're getting predictable.

[ice grillin you]

Banner inc. glasses? Well if you're going to be like that, your rant reminds me of those boobs on WIP who are both the loudest AND stupidest guys at the bar. Are you really crying about Lito Sheppard? He's gone man, let it go.

i dont care that hes gone...and i dont care what he does on the jets...the front office handled his situation all wrong and because of that they had a pro bowl caliber player on thier roster last year that was useless to them and may have cost them the cardinal game and possibly a superbowl

thats the difference btwn people like me and front office shills like yourself...you care more about making a point and hoping he goes to the jets and sucks than you do the eagles

i care about winning a superbowl period

[ice grillin you]

id also add that the reason hes the "third corner" on the jets is because they arent going bump a player that is already there out of his starting spot until he loses it on the field...best believe lito will be starting tho if he wins the job in camp

which is the way it should be

[Kenzinger]

Banner inc. glasses? Well if you're going to be like that, your rant reminds me of those boobs on WIP who are both the loudest AND stupidest guys at the bar. Are you really crying about Lito Sheppard? He's gone man, let it go.

i dont care that hes gone...and i dont care what he does on the jets...the front office handled his situation all wrong and because of that they had a pro bowl caliber player on thier roster last year that was useless to them and may have cost them the cardinal game and possibly a superbowl

thats the difference btwn people like me and front office shills like yourself...you care more about making a point and hoping he goes to the jets and sucks than you do the eagles

i care about winning a superbowl period

You honestly believe the lack of Lito Sheppard cost this team the NFCCG?

Edit: I have to go. So on that note ... look, you can say the Eagles mishandled Lito or they made a bad decision in the NFCCG, whatever. Maybe you're right, maybe you're right, I don't know. But I think the Eagles honestly felt that Lito had groused his way out of playing time all year and they weren't going to re-insert a guy into the lineup who couldn't even get onto the field the past few weeks. I also think they didn't expect to get abused by the Cardinals offense like that in the NFCCG. I do not for one minute think Reid was sitting there rubbing his chubby fingers together and made the decision to bench a better player for 'payback' or out of spite. The Eagles don't want players who don't want to be there, but who does?

Anyway, good night.

[Seabiscuit36]

I think Andy could have sat Lito's ass down and said, hey there guy.. Play this season out, and we'll move you.  The issue with the FO is they dont seem to bother even doing that.  Its all business from to the point of being iceholes. 

[Sgt PSN]

Ellis Hobbs has almost identical numbers to Sheldon Brown in his first 4 years as a starter (Brown has more sacks)

let the good times roll

not really concerned about how many sacks a corner tallies up in a year.  that tends to be a product of the system rather than the individual player.  jj blitzes from everywhere and he blitzes often.  new england doesn't. 


hadn't compared their career stats yet though, but it's good to hear that statistically, they both are about the same.