TAMPA -- There was something ominous about the "back problem" that suddenly caused Jim Johnson to have to ride a motorized scooter around the NovaCare complex late in the Eagles' season, and led him to coach the final two playoff games from the press box. Before the NFC Championship Game, Johnson told a questioner he'd injured himself swinging a golf club. Then he acknowledged he hadn't played golf in quite a while.
So it might not have been quite shocking, but it was terribly saddening Thursday when the Eagles announced Johnson would not be traveling to Hawaii to coach the NFC Pro Bowl defense, as he undergoes treatment for melanoma that has metastasized to his spine, where a tumor grew that caused his back problem. The team said Johnson, 67, wants to continue as the Eagles' defensive coordinator, as his treatment allows.
Jesus. That sucks.
ive actually had two uncles in the last five years that have died from this exact thing
one of my uncles was 100% healthy in august.....had terrible back pain in november...was diagnosed with melanoma that attached to his spine on dec 1 and died on dec 28
obviously i dont know the specifics of jj's diagnosis but id be shocked if he ever coaches again
Cancer on the spine? Yeah, I don't think he'll be coaching this year.
That's just horrifying. Makes all of our McNabb sucks, Reid sucks bs seem awful petty,
No it doesn't Reid still sucks. He hould be the one with spinal cancer.
Sad news for Johnson and his family, to be sure.
Good news for Eagles fans, because Jim Johnson's defense is no longer the great scheme it once was, and it's been time for a change for a while.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 29, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Sad news for Johnson and his family, to be sure.
Good news for Eagles fans, because Jim Johnson's defense is no longer the great scheme it once was, and it's been time for a change for a while.
You're a douche.
They won't change...they'll either promote one of their coaches or go after a guy like Rivera....someone to keep the system in place.
Brookover (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Coach_has_begun_radiation_treatments.html)
Quote"The original site was a skin cancer in 2001," team trainer Rick Burkholder said. "Who knows where it tracked to from there, but his symptoms came from the spine. Now there are some other areas in his body (that have cancer), but I'm not going to get into where else some other stuff is. They will all be treated together. The main deal is his back right now. He's got a bone tumor down in his low back and that's what we have to attack right now."
Quote from: stalker on January 29, 2009, 05:23:18 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 29, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Sad news for Johnson and his family, to be sure.
Good news for Eagles fans, because Jim Johnson's defense is no longer the great scheme it once was, and it's been time for a change for a while.
You're a douche.
The Eagles are going to hold a season ticket lottery to get to see who gets to pop Johnson's artery.
Awful news, hope everything turns out alright.
I now forgive him for his terrible first half against the Cards
Leslie Frasier?
I'm thinking Howie Roseman is ready to take over.
I've probably wished cancer on him at some point. So this is a bittersweet moment for me.
Dreams really can come true?
This past season, the Eagles were best in the NFC against the pass and second-best in the NFC against the run. Near the end of the season the defense was near-impenetrable. Johnson has his flaws, and like any other Eagle fan I can't stand seeing them lay down in the 4th quarter, but I don't much like the odds of the Eagles landing a better defensive coordinator if JJ can't go next season.
All the best to Johnson. They have yet to determine how far the cancer has spread in his system, so let's hope for good news.
Quote from: stalker on January 29, 2009, 05:09:36 PM
That's just horrifying. Makes all of our McNabb sucks, Reid sucks bs seem awful petty,
if hes alive in six months hes done well
btw is there any doubt that if this had happened to any other team but the eagles they would win the superbowl
Where is Dio when we need him?
its kind of silly to say get well jim johnson because he will never read it nor will anyone who will ever come into contact with him
with that said it sucks and i hope he gets better.
is there anyone we can transfer the cancer to stalker or munson, then fire johnson?
I feel bad for the guy obviously. I hope they can fight it, but when you hear malignant and spreading to other parts of the body it ain't good.
Jeez ..I hope he gets better.
Brutal. Considering what and where it is, there's no serious hope of survival. I bet the emphasis is on "quality of life," which means "get your things in order."
The worst part is he's not famous enough for my April 1st waiver pick.
Assuming he lives that long.
Obviously I hope the man is not and won't have any serious pain as he goes through this...that's just natural human compassion.
What I don't want, and this will sound really Dio-ish, but I don't want to enter the 2009 season with a "Win it for Jim" type mentality. Especially if he's not around. He won't be looking down from anywhere, won't be looking over the defense from above, and certainly won't have any effect on the play of the defense.
Quotebut I don't want to enter the 2009 season with a "Win it for Jim" type mentality.
of course I wish the best for the guy, but hey if thats what it takes to get this team to win something farg it...win it for jim all you want
We need to get the guys who did the bring it home for jerome rap to do a new one for Jim. I'll get them started
It's time to win it for Jim.
in reality chances are pretty slim
Well more like none
cause fat boy won't run
no
i know
still
no
ok im running out of ways to type no
It's nice to have all this information in one place.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
ok im running out of ways to type no
Try a capital letter. It will do you good for a change. :P
Funny, it's more like you to recommend he try all caps.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 29, 2009, 11:17:26 PM
The worst part is he's not famous enough for my April 1st waiver pick.
Assuming he lives that long.
I had the exact same thought last night when I saw this. My game has turned me into a monster.
I was born monstrous. Bring on a new DC!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 29, 2009, 10:08:34 PM
I feel bad for the guy obviously. I hope they can fight it, but when you hear malignant and spreading to other parts of the body it ain't good.
Jeez ..I hope he gets better.
I thought the same thing. That shtein's on your spine... can't be too optimistic about that. Especially at 67 years old.
Wishing him the best.
Quote from: Father Demon on January 30, 2009, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 29, 2009, 11:17:26 PM
The worst part is he's not famous enough for my April 1st waiver pick.
Assuming he lives that long.
I had the exact same thought last night when I saw this. My game has turned me into a monster.
How is he not famous enough for Ghoulpool? I'm not buying it...
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 30, 2009, 10:19:23 AM
I thought the same thing. That shtein's on your spine... can't be too optimistic about that. Especially at 67 years old.
And other places that they won't specify.
Balls.
toe nails
Teeth.
Rectum.
Damn near killed 'em.
I agree it's not a good idea to have the goal of winning a title for JJ as their motivation. To a small degree it's a nice sentiment, but it didn't work in '92 when some on the defense were almost obsessed with the Jerome Quest. The season is too long and grueling for that to be the sustaining motivation.
Won't matter either way.
Melanoma loves it some brains, like zombies that way. So that it's not in the brain is really good news. The bad news is it's probably everywhere else. If it's in the base of it's spine, it's probably everywhere in his gut, liver, kidneys. He ain't long for this world.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 30, 2009, 11:14:23 AM
How is he not famous enough for Ghoulpool? I'm not buying it...
Doesn't meet the head coaching or player qualifications. As much as I'd like to put him on there, he doesn't fit.
Oh yeah? Well, suck it. Take that.
Long time no see, Eagles fans. I was saddened to hear about Johnson and wanted to throw that out there. Class guy and a helluva coach.
Cancer in one form of another has played hell on many members of my family and I really hope for the best for Coach Johnson.
Any news on JJ?
his doctors are sending a full house of chemo
But Lurie won't give him any extra money,even though he's a billionaire.
he wouldnt die on a chance to use interchangable safties
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2009, 10:01:39 AM
he wouldnt die on a chance to use the first "Q-rated" safety tandem in NFL history.
(http://www.mightymightychitheta.org/35th%20Reunion%20051.jpg)
Source awards?
IS this cat dead yet or what?
Which one of them is Steve McNair?
Quote from: RezRob on March 17, 2009, 04:57:52 PM
Source awards?
My heart is cold like Russia.
Got jerked at the Source Awards,
Next year, 200 n----s coming with swords! [/IGY]
no remorse.....still got 5 mics in the source
You.
Complete.
Me.
Tooling around on a motorized wheelchair? Not good.
as i said when it happened ive had two in my family die of this exact disease with johnsons exact diagnosis (ie the tumors on your spine)....one lived three months from discovery and the other nine months...if jj makes it to opening day alive ill be pretty surprised if hes coaching opening day ill be stunned...altho he no doubt has much better doctors and better care than either of my peoples
He's gonna die up in the booth during a home game, and we'll never hear the end of how the fans booed during a game stoppage to bag him up.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 02, 2009, 03:26:18 PM
Tooling around on a motorized wheelchair? Not good.
he had back surgery, no?
If so, that's why he's in the wheelchair.
Good for him being out there in the cart. It looks weird though. And I laughed because his cart has tail-lights.
Quote from: General_Failure on May 02, 2009, 05:17:51 PM
He's gonna die up in the booth during a home game, and we'll never hear the end of how the fans booed during a game stoppage to bag him up.
Either that or an alert shot gun toting Eagles fan first recognizes him as undead, and you can imagine the field day Sal Pal will have with that one.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Johnson_Perseveres.html
Quoteim Johnson, looking gaunt and sallow, leaned heavily on a cane to cover the few steps across the NovaCare stage to the seat behind the podium.
Clearly, Johnson's fight against metastasized cancer discovered on his spine during the Eagles' playoff run is taking a lot out of the defensive coordinator, who turns 68 on May 26. But just as clearly, Johnson is committed to doing his job as long as he can.
"I feel good," Johnson said today, in his first remarks to the media since his diagnosis was made public, the weekDonovan McNabb visits with scooter-bound Jim Johnson during minicamp of the Super bowl. "I appreciate all the concern about my injury, I really do, from the fans and you guys. I feel good. I'm still going through treatment. The biggest thing I'm trying to get now is some pain out of my back. I've got some broken bones in the lower part. It (doesn't allow) me to be on my feet quite as much. But everything else, I feel fine, and I just keep working at it."
Johnson said activities like this weekend's minicamp, arduous as they might be, are "a big part of my life. It keeps me going."
Johnson lauded his assistants. Secondary coach Sean McDermott was the de facto coordinator when Johnson took leave for surgery and treatment earlier in the offseason.
"It's something you deal with every day," Johnson acknowledged. "Sure it affects your life ... pain a little bit, here and there ... When I come here to work, it feels good. Hopefully, it's not going to be like this all the time."
Johnson said he hopes the fractures will heal and allow him to walk more easily. He is coaching minicamp from a red motorized wheelchari/scooter.
"Right now I'm on that cart, and it helps out quite a bit," he said.
Johnson said he isn't thinking yet about how he will navigate the season. "I'm taking it one day at a time, one camp at a time," he said.
He acknowledged that having gotten the diagnosis just before the NFC Championship Game, seeing his defense play poorly in a 32-25 loss to Arizona, missing the chance to go to the Super Bowl again, stung more than it might have normally.
A lot of disappointment," he said. "Losing that game, and then, of course, I knew we were going to have to go in and see what was happening with me, that was tough. It wasn't easy."
Johnson said his initial treatment prevented him from reviewing the loss right away.
"When you play a championship game like that, you've just got to play your best football," he said. "It was one of those games, we didn't (force) a lot of turnovers, we were so close -- turnovers could have turned that game around. They did a good job. They're a good football team. We're a good football team, too, but we didn't play our best game."
He said that though he has a lot of faith in Quintin Demps as the successor to Brian Dawkins at free safety, in retrospect, he feels he put too much pressure on Demps, gave him too many different things to do, in the championship game.
When JJ finally dies or stops showing up to work, is Reid gonna run the defense too? Blitz every down? Would that really be any different?
after every interception andy will have the defense throw the ball
has left the team and is not doing well
So much for coaching until he drops dead. What a quitter.
This says he left so he could get more chemo:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4175216
probably a 3-5% chance hes alive on opening day
Dude needs to retire and take care of himself for god's sake.
do the eagles have a replacement plan in place? i would hope that they didn't actually expect jj to last the entire season.
I'm assuming it'll be McDermott
I hope they don't have anyone to step in, their defense falls apart, the team loses 10 games and Andy Reid gets his ass fired.
OK, I really only hope that the last part happens, but you get my point.
They should send Gocong with him to chemo. That way, if there's any sort of accident, the Eagles get a radioactive monster for a linebacker.
I'm pretty sure radiation is on the banned substance list.
sure. He's already familiar with practice.
Witty.
wrong coach is dying. what a shame
The D is going to listen to a DC dressed like this? JJ, give him some fashion tips, or at least one of your Eagles caps.
(http://media.philly.com/images/052209-eagles-600.jpg)
quite gingerly
every time i see this thread pop up with a new post in it, i expect the worst.
Puns?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 22, 2009, 10:04:01 AM
every time i see this thread pop up with a new post in it, i expect the worst.
Dead at age 73 (http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/09/23/article/jim_johnson_former_state_legislator_dies_at_age_73) :(
LOL
9/11
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 22, 2009, 01:13:49 AMThe D is going to listen to a DC dressed like this?
you prefer the oversize windbreaker?
Matt Mosley of ESPN.com has confirmed that the Eagles have indeed brought in former Cowboys' defensive coordinator Brian Stewart in an "undetermined role." (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/189037-concern-for-jim-johnson-eagles-add-defensive-coach-brian-stewart)
QuoteAs of now, his role with the team is undefined, but this could mean that Jim Johnson's chemotherapy and attempt to beat his cancer is not going so well.
The Eagles do not have an opening for a coach on their staff, which makes this move all the more puzzling and frightening.
If the Eagles do not believe that Johnson's recovery is going so well and that he will be out for an extended period of time, they may be bringing in Stewart to help McDermott in his transition into becoming the defensive coordinator for longer than first thought.
QuoteIf Johnson's health has taken a turn for the worse, or perhaps has just not shown improvement, the defense could be in for a drastic change. Or, perhaps not.
The point is, no one knows how McDermott will react or run this defense. If Johnson is not on the sidelines, or at least in the coaches' box, the defense all of a sudden becomes a huge question mark.
All serious part of this story aside, that kind of reporting is reported.
pour one out for jim johnson tonight...it doesnt get any realer than him
because he was all about business and never liked anything but being a football coach he was always out of the public eye and because of that he will get overshadowed by reid/mcnabb/TO/dawk/hoagiegate/vet loss closer ect...ect...ect....but know this....hes a true philly sports soldier and will go down in my book as an all time great coach in this city
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 30, 2009, 11:32:47 PM
pour one out for jim johnson tonight...it doesnt get any realer than him
because he was all about business and never liked anything but being a football coach he was always out of the public eye and because of that he will get overshadowed by reid/mcnabb/TO/dawk/hoagiegate/vet loss closer ect...ect...ect....but know this....hes a true philly sports soldier and will go down in my book as an all time great coach in this city
Totally agree.
And Brian Stewart is horrible.
I went to gradeschool with a brian stewart... flag
Holy shtein. I looked up Brian Stewart on Wiki and there was 3 listed. One said
Quote* Brian Stewart (phlebotomist) (born 1966), American phlebotomist, convicted for injecting son with HIV
jesus i can't imagine them changing the defense when its the only bright spot on this fargin team. dawk gone, now JJ. bringing in some cowpuke, farging makes me sick
I know, right? They might do something stupid like get linebackers.
Eskin says JJ is doing bad right now and there's almost 0% chance he'll be around the team this fall...
I guess they'll be wearing commemorative patches this season.
I smell a "Win one for the Gipper" speech in there somewhere.
I smell a year or two of disarray on defense. Should be a good time.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 01, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
I smell a year or two of disarray on defense. Should be a good time.
What does that smell like, exactly?
Used jockstraps, cracked plastic and old tape?
Blood and semen.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 01, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Blood and semen.
Went to the doctor for a routine checkup and she asked for blood, urine, semen and stool samples.
So I handed her my underwear.
BAM!
Quote from: Rome on June 01, 2009, 05:33:23 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 01, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Blood and semen.
Went to the doctor for a routine checkup and she asked for blood, urine, semen and stool samples.
So I handed her my underwear.
You wipe your mouth with your underwear? Sick.
lol
Peter King thinks (I know, I know) that Dallas boy will take over as position coach while our in-house boy will be the new D-coordinator. I dunno if that was obvious to everyone else, but it makes better sense to me. Dallas dude failed at d-coord, but seemed to be a fairly successful, or at least long-employed, position coach.
They said sunday that Stewart would be the Dback coach, and McDermott would probably be the guy
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 31, 2009, 01:35:56 AM
Holy shtein. I looked up Brian Stewart on Wiki and there was 3 listed. One said
Quote* Brian Stewart (phlebotomist) (born 1966), American phlebotomist, convicted for injecting son with HIV
That's horrible. Hopefully he used a hypodermic needle for the injection
mcdermott to be named permanent eagles DC at a presser tomorrow
is it just me or is holding a presser on this while jj is on his death bed kind of unseemly
just saw this bumped and figured he passed away. i like the ginger kid, he's taken on a lot more over the past 3 years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
mcdermott to be named permanent eagles DC at a presser tomorrow
is it just me or is holding a presser on this while jj is on his death bed kind of seemly
Have you just started watching this team? They could very well announce a memorial game for him at the press conference.
Least surprising move of the offseason.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 24, 2009, 10:34:51 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
mcdermott to be named permanent eagles DC at a presser tomorrow
is it just me or is holding a presser on this while jj is on his death bed kind of seemly
Have you just started watching this team? They could very well announce a memorial game for him at the press conference.
i guess im a little suprised because jj was a coach as opposed to a player or a fan...and a guy thats been there with andy from day one
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
mcdermott to be named permanent eagles DC at a presser tomorrow
is it just me or is holding a presser on this while jj is on his death bed kind of unseemly
i don't see anything wrong with it and i'm sure it will be kept pretty low key. they needed to make a permanent change and they did. i wouldn't be surprised if they opt not to take any questions after the official announcement.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 24, 2009, 12:42:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
mcdermott to be named permanent eagles DC at a presser tomorrow
is it just me or is holding a presser on this while jj is on his death bed kind of unseemly
i don't see anything wrong with it and i'm sure it will be kept pretty low key. they needed to make a permanent change and they did. i wouldn't be surprised if they opt not to take any questions after the official announcement.
you can make a permanent change without putting it on your website as BREAKIN NEWS! and calling a presser...everyone knows the deal...just let the man pass then make a soft announcement...i dont think its a huge deal or anything but it is a little unseemly to me and goes to the larger problem with the front office and how big a fleshpops they are
I got 10 bucks that says those iceholes canceled JJ's health insurance.
I got 20 bucks that says the windbreaker he left in his office is on EBay
Quote
One of the Eagles' weekly goals during Jim Johnson's 10 seasons as defensive coordinator has been to hold the opposition to 17 or fewer points. It's a goal the Eagles achieved in 88 of the team's 160 regular-season games and nine of the team's 17 postseason games. Only Tampa Bay has held opponents to 17 or fewer points more often than the Eagles in the last decade.
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 24, 2009, 06:02:27 PM
Quote
One of the Eagles' weekly goals during Jim Johnson's 10 seasons as defensive coordinator has been to hold the opposition to 17 or fewer points. It's a goal the Eagles achieved in 88 of the team's 160 regular-season games and nine of the team's 17 postseason games. Only Tampa Bay has held opponents to 17 or fewer points more often than the Eagles in the last decade.
Get Kiffin?
Unseemly or no, you have to make a definitive statement before camp started.
Unseemly! The Front Office are scumbags! Unseemly!!
Quote from: MadMarchHare on July 24, 2009, 06:45:26 PM
Unseemly or no, you have to make a definitive statement before camp started.
definitive statement to who?
us?
the media?
why?
to the team i agree....they gotta know who the permanent leader is...but that had already been done long ago
UNSEEMLY!!
Which one of you bastiches has JJ in the ghoulpool?
Wouldn't that be unseemly?
I would if he qualified.
The players in particular need to know. And they didn't, even though they probably guessed. If you were capable of nuanced thinking, you'd understand that. Spending all of camp hoping Johnson would survive to come back and coach would be on the back of all their minds, a huge distraction. Now they know he's dying, never coming back, and Sean McDermott is the guy. They can move on. That presser was for them, it needed to be public so the media and the fans would shut the farg up and let them do their job.
It's downright indecorous.
LOL at the fans shutting up.
That's totally gonna happen especially in Philly with WIP stirring up the imbeciles.
I'd like to know who this Unseemly guy is.
He's a tailor.
Shut up about bitching at the team for subpar performance? I certainly hope they don't.
But at least shut up about asking, "When's Jim coming back?"
From McDermott's introduction presser
QuoteAs to McDermott's next challenge, he identified what he called the most important advice he received from his predecessor.
"Blitz, and blitz again."
Looks like he'll be carrying on JJ's tradition, anyway.
Shame he'll never learn that "find some defensive linemen that won't get knocked on their ass on third and short" technique some defenses use.
Well, obviously you want the pass rushers out there. I mean, after all, doesn't everyone throw on third and short?
McDermott is going to have some big shoes to fill. I hope some of the Philly idiots give him a chance. It would be unseemly.
ha!
somebody said that Mikey Miss is reporting that he's died? anybody heard this?
Take it FWIW, but someone on the EMB said Eskin just said he's alive.
just saw rumors that he passed
http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/bobg/2009/07/sadly-jim-johnsons-fight-nearing-end.html (http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/bobg/2009/07/sadly-jim-johnsons-fight-nearing-end.html)
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2009, 06:44:19 PM
if hes alive in six months hes done well
tomorrow is six months to the day
So you're saying he's done well? Kind of unseemly given the circumstances, don't you think?
no im saying i wish we had done a death pool so i could have taken some cash from you turkeys
Now that is unseemly.
turkeys, ha
DNL just confirmed his passing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJh7EN8vB48
Its on the frontpage of the official site.
RIP
:(
RIP JJ
shtein. RIP.
Reid/Banner presser at 7pm
gotta love ESPN... Favre Favre FAVRE
NFLN just broke in from the Favre talk to have Eisen announce JJ
:(
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/1464-WEB2.jpg)
rip jj--thanks for one hell of a ride
JJ and Harry in the same year. Sucks.
RIP Jim.
shtein.
RIP
RIP JJ
R.I.P. Jim
Cancer sucks a big fat dick.
so do we all go into es-type diatribes about how jj is blitzing from above and that his spirit will help elevate the entire defense? for his sake, i farging hope not.
rip jj.
RIP to one of the best.
No.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 29, 2009, 11:27:45 PM
Obviously I hope the man is not and won't have any serious pain as he goes through this...that's just natural human compassion.
What I don't want, and this will sound really Dio-ish, but I don't want to enter the 2009 season with a "Win it for Jim" type mentality. Especially if he's not around. He won't be looking down from anywhere, won't be looking over the defense from above, and certainly won't have any effect on the play of the defense.
I disagree moderately about him not having any affect on how they're playing. McDermott is still going to be running his defense plus J.J. undoubtedly had at least a passing say in every defensive player acquired on the team.
But otherwise, yeah, I could do without all the phony platitudes. The EMB is farging unbearable right now.
I could see the players having that sentiment in the locker room, as many of them had close relations with JJ over the years. Beyond that, though, it would ring a bit hollow.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 28, 2009, 06:56:18 PM
so do we all go into es-type diatribes about how jj is blitzing from above and that his spirit will help elevate the entire defense?
He appeared in my cereal this morning. I ran over the box of Count Chocula and picked up seven yards.
Going miss that sour face on the sideline
RIP JJ
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 28, 2009, 06:56:18 PM
so do we all go into es-type diatribes about how jj is blitzing from above and that his spirit will help elevate the entire defense? for his sake, i farging hope not.
rip jj.
QuoteQuote from: jrrules;2376526He was awesome and will be missed. Jesus better have someone good protecting his blindside with JJ up there!
http://www.flyersphans.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2376544#post2376544
:paranoid
pour one out for a true gangsta
i will say, the zone blitz, and his utilization of Dawk made this D amazing for much longer than anyone would have thought. Only Kiffin and JJ kept up their game consistently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hrJnQpPIJI
2008-2009 D highlights
It should have been Andy.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 28, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
i will say, the zone blitz, and his utilization of Dawk made this D amazing for much longer than anyone would have thought. Only Kiffin and JJ kept up their game consistently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hrJnQpPIJI
2008-2009 D highlights
That is some good shtein. Nice way to remember his D by - Cowboys, Vikings and Giants game were amazing.
RIP Coach... :'(
RIP
i blame this on the dawkins departure.
He was a point of pride for an Eagle fan in an era when it hasn't been easy to support the leadership of the team. In the last couple years I thought he was past his prime, that opposing teams had figured him out, but nevertheless he was Jim Johnson. It's sad to lose him, but the team should consider themselves lucky to have been coached by him for so long.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 29, 2009, 06:28:13 AM
He was a point of pride for an Eagle fan in an era when it hasn't been easy to support the leadership of the team. In the last couple years I thought he was past his prime, that opposing teams had figured him out, but nevertheless he was Jim Johnson. It's sad to lose him, but the team should consider themselves lucky to have been coached by him for so long.
I could not have said any of this any better myself.
eagles had a top 3 defense last year and a top ten the year before and i can guarantee you it wasnt because of all the great players they have on that side of the ball
altho it came from a small segment of fans....primarily the kinds of fans who dont watch the games...one of the most assinine criticisms of the team over the last five years was that jim johnson somehow had lost it or had been figured out by the league
the man hadnt lost a thing...if he wasnt the best DC in the nfl he was 1a or b
Quote from: rjs246 on July 29, 2009, 06:36:36 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on July 29, 2009, 06:28:13 AM
He was a point of pride for an Eagle fan in an era when it hasn't been easy to support the leadership of the team. In the last couple years I thought he was past his prime, that opposing teams had figured him out, but nevertheless he was Jim Johnson. It's sad to lose him, but the team should consider themselves lucky to have been coached by him for so long.
I could not have said any of this any better myself.
Yep. He was what turned fairly average talent into an above-average team. It wasn't the offense the carried this team consistently over the last decade, that's for sure.
He was great. Until the most important games. The biggest games against the best teams in the playoffs were never kind to JJ.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 29, 2009, 08:18:33 AM
eagles had a top 3 defense last year and a top ten the year before and i can guarantee you it wasnt because of all the great players they have on that side of the ball
altho it came from a small segment of fans....primarily the kinds of fans who dont watch the games...one of the most assinine criticisms of the team over the last five years was that jim johnson somehow had lost it or had been figured out by the league
the man hadnt lost a thing...if he wasnt the best DC in the nfl he was 1a or b
Holla!
Eagle fans have always prided themselves with Eagle defense and grit, JJ almost always delivered. Just think of the Dallas spanking :) :-D 8) RIP
I would put JJ third, he is behind Belicheck (basically a dc) and Lebeau.
I loved how he blitzed, my only gripes are his getting handled in big games and the fact that minus last year he didn't care about stopping the run.
other than the cardinal game last year where are all these big games he got handled in
Any Giant game with Sean Payton as OC. The saint playoff game against Payton.
The Bucs NFCCG, the Superbowl, the Cardinals NFCCG, blabbity blah blah blah.
If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem, and for all of his exotic blitzes and brilliant schemes, ultimately he wasn't part of the solution.
Quote from: SunMo on July 29, 2009, 11:47:32 AM
Any Giant game with Sean Payton as OC. The saint playoff game against Payton.
he lost one game to payton in the playoffs and certainly didnt get handled
Quote from: rjs246 on July 29, 2009, 11:51:15 AM
The Bucs NFCCG, the Superbowl, the Cardinals NFCCG, blabbity blah blah blah.
lol @ getting handled in the bucs game
absolutely didnt get handled by the patriots
cards yes....so really in one
big game his defense got "handled" and he wasnt even on the field...he was in the press box with a blobby mass eating his spine
The Bucs had been his bitch for years prior to that game. In that game they game-planned and found holes regularly enough to score and win with an offense that had no elite weapons to speak of.
The Pats absolutely embarrassed him in the superbowl by scouting themselves effectively and running with Faulk and passing with Dillon.
bringing up the tampa game is just ludicrous...you cant think that they handled the eagles d
patriots had arguably the greatest qb ever and yes they won the game but the eagle defense played well enough to win...granted they also played well enough to lose...but again they didnt get handled by what is one of the nfl's all time great teams...they simply got beat by a better team in what was a great game
im not saying his defenses went out and won championships obviously they didnt but the revisionist history of saying the defense folded in big games or jim johnsons was somehow "handled" in big games is just made up stuff...same as saying he had lost it the last several years
Whatever, homer.
i would have just liked to have seen jim johnson with some big time athletes and playmakers on defense
his best players were high motor guys like hugh douglas and many good players but they were always solid good not freaky good if you know what i mean...emmons vincent taylor ect...
dawk kearse* and possibly trotter pre injury were his only studs in his entire tenure...its a testament to jj that he was able to get so much out of what he was given
* - my biggest complaint re: jj was his use of kearse...playing him in that retarded joker role rather than as strictly an edge rusher was farging retarded and always pissed me off
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 29, 2009, 12:33:55 PM
i would have just liked to have seen jim johnson with some big time athletes and playmakers on defense
Its not like they didn't spend draft picks on guys he wanted.
and?
he still didnt have any
And so he's in part to blame for his lack of elite talent.
You can't say, "I wish he'd had some elite talent to work with" and then completely ignore the fact that he is partially to blame for the fact that he didn't have elite talent.
Well, I suppose you can, but only if you make a living out of talking out of both sides of your mouth.
he had absolutely no part in drafting players
a certain type of player (ie small quicker type tackles) may have been sought out by andy and heckert for his defense but the actual players chosen had zero input from jj...he was a coach not a scout
You're ridiculous.
youre trying to blame jim johnson for draft choices and im ridiculous?
Yes.
Against Tampa they hardly blitzed at all, any other time they played them they would kill them with the blitz. Brad Johnson was a statue.
Payton always pretty much owned him. Say what you want in the SB he got killed in the second half, remember New Englands opening drive that half?
Whatever the dude was a great DC and it is a shame he had to go earlier than he should have.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 29, 2009, 02:16:48 PM
he had absolutely no part in drafting players
a certain type of player (ie small quicker type tackles) may have been sought out by andy and heckert for his defense but the actual players chosen had zero input from jj...he was a coach not a scout
Im having a real hard time believing that when it comes to picking up players on HIS defense in the draft, jim johnson was not sitting around the table giving major feedback that would alter their decision-making in the player chosen
No dude. He had no input. He was barely even there. He was sitting on the beach planning how to blitz opposing QBs with mystery players that he had never heard of.
Obviously.
Who cares?
I don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
Quote from: reese125 on July 29, 2009, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 29, 2009, 02:16:48 PM
he had absolutely no part in drafting players
a certain type of player (ie small quicker type tackles) may have been sought out by andy and heckert for his defense but the actual players chosen had zero input from jj...he was a coach not a scout
Im having a real hard time believing that when it comes to picking up players on HIS defense in the draft, jim johnson was not sitting around the table giving major feedback that would alter their decision-making in the player chosen
you dont know how the eagles machine runs then...jj wasnt in on scouting meetings and looking at film of linebackers from north dakota state...you think he was yelling at andy to take a defensive end that dropped in round one...andy didnt even know who he was going to take most times...jim johnson wasnt in the war room on draft day...he was fly fishing somewhere in idaho
did sometime in the last ten years maybe in passing andy asked jim about a player...but what they really did together was evaluate the current eagles roster together to see who needed to be replaced...naturally jj was in on that big time...but when it came to drafting a replacement...he had little to nothing to do with it...certainly not even close to enough to blame him for draft picks...thats so ludicrous i cant even believe we are talking about it
again andy would try and find players that fit jim johnsons defensive system...same as he tries to find guys that fit his offense...but beyond that jj wasnt involved in PP issues...even people in nova scotia know this
Quote from: ATV on July 29, 2009, 05:04:02 PM
Who cares?
I don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
really?
Quote from: rjs246 on July 29, 2009, 04:51:02 PM
No dude. He had no input. He was barely even there. He was sitting on the beach planning how to blitz opposing QBs with mystery players that he had never heard of.
Obviously.
JJ: "Yo Andy...who did you pick up?"
Reid: "Awwe...I got some good ones this year."
JJ: "Cool..Ill do my best."
Quote from: ATV on July 29, 2009, 05:04:02 PM
Who cares?
I don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
I kind of care slappy because it could very well affect the wins/losses of the Eagles--another team I kind of care about--just a little
Quote from: reese125 on July 29, 2009, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: ATV on July 29, 2009, 05:04:02 PM
Who cares?
I don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
I kind of care slappy because it could very well affect the wins/losses of the Eagles--another team I kind of care about--just a little
I also don't care about strangers dying. But to call JJ a bad person seems a little bit out-of-left-field. Of course we're talking about ATV so we should expect this type of idiocy.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/1464-WEB2.jpg)
(http://thesportsnote.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/rip_seantaylorblock.jpg)
One is PR bull from the team. The other is fan-made photoshop hilarity.
That being said, I was once touched by this coaching angel. He tried to put his finger in my A gap.
flashback time
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=19102.0
he finally went and wing isnt even a round to enjoy it
Hopefully Wingnut is waiting for him wherever he went.
haha
Quote from: ATV on July 29, 2009, 05:04:02 PM
Who cares?
I don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
i wish she died while you were still inside her. that would make her my bff.
Just checking in again. It's fortunate I get cell reception in hell. Jim says hi.
I'm perfectly comfortable mocking every last person who mourns the death of a farging football coach. Jim Johnson is no different than any other person that has died today, yesterday, last week, or last year. If Jim Johnson had been some no name no one would care, but since he coached for the Eagles that elevates his life to a more worthy status. You didn't know him, you never would've known him, you simply liked him because he coached football well.
I wish Jim Johnson would die of cancer every week..it makes my post-work reading a hundred times better.
i would gladly farg your mom in the face
no one here is farging sobbing over jj. it sucks to see him go. he wasnt a thug moron with a machete. he was an old due who had cancer. stop it.
Quote from: ATV on July 29, 2009, 10:52:49 PM
If Jim Johnson had been some no name no one would care, but since he coached for the Eagles that elevates his life to a more worthy status, but not so high as to be more important than Brett Favre's decision to stay retired.
Quotehe was an old due who had cancer.
Berating the life of someone who died young is less worse than berating the life of someone who died old?
Quote from: ATV on July 29, 2009, 10:52:49 PM
Just checking in again. It's fortunate I get cell reception in hell. Jim says hi.
I'm perfectly comfortable mocking every last person who mourns the death of a farging football coach. Jim Johnson is no different than any other person that has died today, yesterday, last week, or last year. If Jim Johnson had been some no name no one would care, but since he coached for the Eagles that elevates his life to a more worthy status. You didn't know him, you never would've known him, you simply liked him because he coached football well.
I wish Jim Johnson would die of cancer every week..it makes my post-work reading a hundred times better.
i wonder if you'd have the same opinion if obama had a fatal heart attack tonight.
jim johnson was a public figure. he coached a defense that we eagles fans enjoyed watching every week for nearly a decade. he had a small, but impactful role on many of our lives in one way, shape or form. the fact that none of us had a personal relationship with him is irrelevent. we admired his work and will miss the impact he had on a team that we love.
nothing at all wrong with paying some respects to the recently departed. hopefully you'll soon have your very own entry in our dead thread.
I don't have that opinion. I'm simply copying and pasting from the things you morons on here wrote after Sean Taylor died.
Sean Taylor was a public figure. He played in a defense that taterskins fans enjoyed watching every week for three years. He had a small, but impactful role on many of their lives in one way, shape or form. The fact that none of them had a personal relationship with him is irrelevent. They admired his work and will miss the impact he had on a team that they love.
he got shot in the dick, similar to how your mom died
...for example.
Big difference:
Us: "That sucks, I have some good memories of that dude."
Them, text-posting to a message-board: "I can't stop crying, I will love you forever Sean!"
Life is all in the nuances, man.
Hey ATV...
Don't compare JJ dying to the tripe your brothers at ES were and still are spewing about Taylor. No one here is going to post threads saying how they break down in tears when they watch hit videos of Johnson. Nor will they talk about how much of a role model Johnson was.
farg yourself.
Quote from: methdeez on July 30, 2009, 12:19:59 AM
Big difference:
Us: "That sucks, I have some good memories of that dude."
Them, text-posting to a message-board: "I can't stop crying, I will love you forever Sean!"
Life is all in the nuances, man.
winner. then again, we're all arguing with one of the biggest tools this board has ever seen over nuances.
fail. each and every one of us.
If Jim Johnson were 24 years old, had a young family, and played pro-bowl defense for the Eagles then of course there would have been a lot more emotional investment. Similarly, if it were Don Breaux of the taterskins that died - An old long-time fart-crust of a coach, then of course it wouldn't have been nearly as tragic.
These "nuances" are beside the point though. The point is that most of your are classless morons who can't recognize hypocrisy when it's right beneath your nose. But that's alright - There's still plenty of time. I'm here to help.
why cant you get in shot in the dick or get cancer?
Because I no longer live in North Philadelphia?
Quote from: ATV on July 30, 2009, 12:37:22 AM
If Jim Johnson were 24 years old, had a young family, and played pro-bowl defense for the Eagles then of course there would have been a lot more emotional investment. Similarly, if it were Don Breaux of the taterskins that died - An old long-time fart-crust of a coach, then of course it wouldn't have been nearly as tragic.
These "nuances" are beside the point though. The point is that most of your are classless morons who can't recognize hypocrisy when it's right beneath your nose. But that's alright - There's still plenty of time. I'm here to help.
WTF Shawn springs was young and I could give shtein about his dead ass. Go the farg away and leave us to remember him before you bring in another "top notch" free agent and fail to make the palyoffs or a difference again.
ATV=skins fail
A) Shawn Springs is still alive.
B) I don't own or manage the taterskins.
Quote from: ATV on July 30, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
Because I no longer live in North Philadelphia?
there is a 0% chance you could find no philly on a map
You don't believe I'm a former Owl?
You certainly "write" like one.
atv trying way to hard here...its like since sean taylor died hes been waiting for an eagle to die so he could prove a point...except theres no comparison btwn what the people here are doing and what the people on ES are doing...just stop you look like a total fool here
no one gives a flying farg about jim johnson dying other than the eagles defense probably suckin this year
except for reece who was taken on a hell of a ride and sarge whose life was affected in a small but important way by jj
We held a candle light vigil last night at the linc in honor of JJ. At one point during the vigil a cool breeze blew past my back and blew one of the candles out, it was as though Jim was right there with us. As I was driving home, myself and my fellow Eagles fans were patting each other on the back and telling ourselves how great of people we were to do a memorial like this for someone we never knew. I thought to myself, this night will go a long way in healing my wounds. Then I saw a black truck with an Eagles flag waving from one of its windows, the first 3 letters of the license plate were JJD. It was then that I burst out in tears. My fellow fans tried to console me and tell me it was going to be okay, but it didn't help. Goodbye Jim, you will be forever missed and loved. For every time an Eagle gets a sack or makes a big play we know you'll be smiling.
RIP JJ -
Coach - Father - Eagle - Friend
You forgot Secret Lover.
the other day, i was at the store, and i saw an old dude on a rascal, and it reminded me of JJ and i started bawling, i couldn't help it.
WHY GOD WHY!?!?!?! he was taken too soon! i am literally crying as i type this, i am in a glass case of emotion!
I just don't get this reference:
Quote
I don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
What makes him a bad person? What the farg are you talking about? :sly
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2009, 08:00:12 AM
atv trying way to hard here...its like since sean taylor died hes been waiting for an eagle to die so he could prove a point...except theres no comparison btwn what the people here are doing and what the people on ES are doing...just stop you look like a total fool here
no one gives a flying farg about jim johnson dying other than the eagles defense probably suckin this year
except for reece who was taken on a hell of a ride and sarge whose life was affected in a small but important way by jj
if you're indicating that the outcome of eagles games/seasons doesn't have even a slight impact on your life, then you're full of ish.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 30, 2009, 08:35:59 AM
We held a candle light vigil last night at the linc in honor of JJ. At one point during the vigil a cool breeze blew past my back and blew one of the candles out, it was as though Jim was right there with us. As I was driving home, myself and my fellow Eagles fans were patting each other on the back and telling ourselves how great of people we were to do a memorial like this for someone we never knew. I thought to myself, this night will go a long way in healing my wounds. Then I saw a black truck with an Eagles flag waving from one of its windows, the first 3 letters of the license plate were JJD. It was then that I burst out in tears. My fellow fans tried to console me and tell me it was going to be okay, but it didn't help. Goodbye Jim, you will be forever missed and loved. For every time an Eagle gets a sack or makes a big play we know you'll be smiling.
RIP JJ -
Coach - Father - Eagle - Friend
:yay Impressive tribute. I nominate you for the Chief Zee award of emotional excellence.
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 30, 2009, 10:47:00 AM
:yay Impressive tribute. I nominate you for Da Mayor award of emotional excellence.
Quoteits like since sean taylor died hes been waiting for an eagle to die so he could prove a point
Cannot Genius occur spontaneously?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 30, 2009, 10:13:04 AM
I just don't get this reference:
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I don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
What makes him a bad person? What the farg are you talking about? :sly
I think Dio had the day off and ATV was filling in with the 'good riddance' note. But, like you, I also do not understand this reference. Good riddance should apply only to people I no longer want to see alive. I was pulling for this one to kick cancer's ass in the butthole.
Quote from: ATV on July 30, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
Cannot Genius occur spontaneously?
Not for you. Luckily, you've got shteinting yourself to fall back on.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 30, 2009, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: ATV on July 30, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
Cannot Genius occur spontaneously?
Not for you. Luckily, you've got shteinting yourself to fall back on.
:-D
it almost sounds as if you like cancer ATV. i hope it likes you back.
JJ's the top story on ESPN.com right now
QuoteHe was so revered in Philadelphia that when he once ordered a piece of banana cream pie, and the steakhouse didn't have it, an employee scurried out to buy the pie, and the restaurant never went without it again.
pimp
great article... love the pic of Dawk in that
and it only took a week for espn to put it out there.