i feel like this thread was already made but i dont see it...perhaps im thinking of the eagles version...anyway heres mel kipers first mock of the season
Pick Team Player Position College
1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St.
10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College
13 Washington Brian Orakpo DE Texas
14 New Orleans Vontae Davis CB Illinois
15 Houston Everette Brown DE Florida St.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
17 New York Jets Percy Harvin WR Florida
18 Chicago Tyson Jackson DE LSU
19 Tampa Bay Josh Freeman QB Kansas St.
20 Detroit (from Dallas) Rey Maualuga LB USC
21 Philadelphia Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio St.
22 Minnesota Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina
23 New England Brian Cushing LB USC
24 Atlanta Larry English DE/OLB No. Illinois
25 Miami Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Mryland
26 Baltimore D.J. Moore CB Vanderbilt
27 Indianapolis Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi
29 New York Giants James Laurinaitis LB Ohio St.
30 Tennessee Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
31 Arizona LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh
32 Pittsburgh Alex Mack C California
Is Wells really a first round guy? He looked completely average in the three OSU games I watched this year. Nothing special at all. But I see him going in the first in every mock I can find.
with a weak running back class i suppose he is...but i agree...he looks like a slighty quicker better version of tony hunt to me...i wouldnt take him before the third round
It's disgusting how much RB talent came out of last year's draft. And the Eagles got none of it. If they spend a first rounder on Beanie Wells I will be displeased.
Hell no to Beanie Wells.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2009, 10:27:04 AM
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi
Yes, Please.
Gimmie Mccoy instead
let's face it, if Buck is bye bye, then the thoughts of another undersized running back in Booker are no good. Wells is a bigger back with potential. I'd rather see them grab a LB or OT, but I would be okay with Wells.
id be fine with him just not in the first round...id much rather wait and get a shonn greene later on...not a lot seperates a first round running back from a 5th round rb
im just not a big fan of rb's in the first round unless they are an off the charts guy like a adrian peterson
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2009, 11:05:40 AM
id be fine with him just not in the first round...id much rather wait and get a shonn greene later on...not a lot seperates a first round running back from a 5th round rb
im just not a big fan of rb's in the first round unless they are an off the charts guy like a adrian peterson
Completely agree with this.
Me three!
YeaH I guess last year was such a freak year for running backs. Later picks put up great numbers...I just hope we end up with one of those guys. I hope we end up running the ball more than anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2009, 10:27:04 AM
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi
there's a book called the blind side by micheal lewis, which is basically the evolution of the left tackle position and pretty much half of it is this kid's life story. good book.
Chris Wells?!? Hell yeah, I've read that some are comparing him to Jim Brown.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HeMxWcHlSzA&feature=related
Of course, a lot of help from his line opening up huge holes.
What the farg are you talking about?
Ugh. Drunk.
I don't see anything remarkable in that reel.
No on Beanie Wells.
forget wells, I want his FB
phreak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXDSPbZ_OUw
That's farging impressive.
I can't youtube from work. Please take second-by-second screen captures and post them.
no shtein.
Quote from: Tomahawk on February 17, 2009, 12:53:47 PM
I can't youtube from work. Please take second-by-second screen captures and post them.
It's just a chick alternately shooting pingpong balls from her babyhole and poopbabyhole. Eventually the pingpong balls run out and she just shteins herself. Impressive.
One time I went to a strip club for lunch and the featured dancer launched ping pong balls across the room. The golf balls only went half the distance though. She wouldn't let me toke off the cigar she lit with her snatch
Wow, someone should have told him to pull his trunks up though.
the more you think about what he did the more amazing it becomes...think about how hard that is
GET gilbert!
It would be impossible for most people without the water.
exactly
Being listed 6'3 everywhere turns out now Crabtree is really only 6'1 when measured today at the Combine
and hes not running the 40 as well.
could be big
my plan for sunday is to sit in my underwear and watch the combine on nfl network most of the day
So, the same as any other Sunday, except the sweaty dudes on your TV will actually be clothed?
do any of you combine nerds know what pettigrew ran in the 40 or if he hasnt run yet when he does?
You want to know if he's just kinda fast, or Munson fast?
i didnt even know it was on
Quote from: reese125 on February 20, 2009, 04:39:34 PM
Being listed 6'3 everywhere turns out now Crabtree is really only 6'1 when measured today at the Combine
and hes not running the 40 as well.
could be big
Schefter says Crabtree has a minor stress fracture in his left foot that will require surgery and a pin and he'll be sidelined up to 10 weeks...
Even if he somehow dropped to 21 there's no way Reid would pick him
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2009, 10:10:09 AM
do any of you combine nerds know what pettigrew ran in the 40 or if he hasnt run yet when he does?
TE 40s are coming up after the break
4.85 and 4.97 for Pettigrew
The only one slower was Bear Pascoe
Shawn Nelson ran 4.5 both times
speed is over rated...but still farging amazing!
4.57 and 4.54 for Beanie
4.55 and 4.63 for Moreno
Shady didn't run because of the flu
Heyward-Bey may have clinched a 1st-round spot with a 4.3
I'm glad Pettigrew shtein the bed at the combine. Now Buffalo will ignore him and the Eagles can draft him with their second first round pick plus get Wells with their first.
Either way... happiness.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 22, 2009, 03:05:53 PM
Heyward-Bey may have clinched a 1st-round spot with a 4.3
He could be there at 21. I'd shtein the bed if Reid picked him.
I've tried leaving NFLN on in the background, but god damn is it boring to listen to. They could be talking about golf and I wouldn't notice.
for real
if it wasnt for the crowd there in the stands and the high emotions I wouldnt even have it on either
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 22, 2009, 03:05:53 PM
4.57 and 4.54 for Beanie
4.55 and 4.63 for Moreno
Shady didn't run because of the flu
Heyward-Bey may have clinched a 1st-round spot with a 4.3
i think he was a first rounder anyway but hes a track guy who transferred to football...his 40 time was never a question..his route running hands and potential will determine where he goes
The Combine should make the athletes suit up in full pads before running and jumping.
I think the prospects should arm themselves and battle it out for draft position. Penalties for killing an opponent. Bonus points for maiming/crippling.
Andre Smith only benched 225 lbs. 19 times at the Crimson Tide Pro Day Wednesday. whaaat?
slippage time
What did Jason Smith, Monroe, Oher and Britton bench?
Quote from: reese125 on March 11, 2009, 02:37:19 PM
Andre Smith only benched 225 lbs. 19 times at the Crimson Tide Pro Day Wednesday. whaaat?
slippage time
I did 10-15 reps of 225 2 years ago. Today I'd be lucky to get 3-4 reps but the point is that's really unimpressive.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
What did Jason Smith, Monroe, Oher and Britton bench?
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2009/nfl_combine_results.cfm?pos=T
so he did two less reps than oher?
whats the big deal
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#tp-tab-set-1:tp-grid-container-bench-press
the kicker from usc did 25 reps.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2009, 03:14:06 PM
whats the big deal
You're new to this whole over-evaluating rookies thing, huh.
IIRC guys with shorter arms almost always put up better numbers than the big guys with long arms...
Quote from: General_Failure on March 11, 2009, 03:21:31 PM
You're new to this whole Reese flipping out over nothing, huh.
not really
Still, it sounds like this guy had a pretty poor showing even after his fiasco at the combine. I don't think I'd touch him in the second round. I imagine him, King Dunlop, and Shawn Andrews just not feeling like getting up out of their stance when the ball is snapped.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 11, 2009, 03:38:23 PM
IIRC guys with shorter arms almost always put up better numbers than the big guys with long arms...
very true
lanky Kevin Durant couldn't do one rep of 175
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2009, 03:46:34 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 11, 2009, 03:21:31 PM
You're new to this whole Reese flipping out over nothing, huh.
not really
I know you should of saw me when I heard the news...I literally punched my desk 4 times in anger and ran out the house screaming
and by the way...you have a guy here whos heart and willingness to push himself at the NFL level has been in serious question since he ditched out on the combine
now this only adds more reluctance to spend huge dollars on a high pick for teams..not to mention he was visibly overweight at his pro day as well.....but yeah I was freaking
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
Still, it sounds like this guy had a pretty poor showing even after his fiasco at the combine. I don't think I'd touch him in the second round. I imagine him, King Dunlop, and Shawn Andrews just not feeling like getting up out of their stance when the ball is snapped.
no chance he doesnt go first round...third is ludicrous
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2009, 04:31:25 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
Still, it sounds like this guy had a pretty poor showing even after his fiasco at the combine. I don't think I'd touch him in the second round. I imagine him, King Dunlop, and Shawn Andrews just not feeling like getting up out of their stance when the ball is snapped.
no chance he doesnt go first round...third is ludicrous
there's a good chance he falls out of the 1st
20 piece on that?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2009, 04:54:06 PM
20 piece on that?
Done!
Edit: do you want to just send it to me now, or go through the formality of waiting for the draft?
sorry to say Eagaholic you just bought another 5 happy meals from McDonalds for IGY
Quote from: reese125 on March 11, 2009, 05:08:15 PM
sorry to say Eagaholic you just bought another 5 happy meals from McDonalds for IGY
So you're saying you are in for 20 as well?
only if you pay me in pennies
Quote from: reese125 on March 11, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
only if you pay me in pennies
ok, so then you're out. financially smart move.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 11, 2009, 05:08:15 PM
sorry to say Eagaholic you just bought another 5 happy meals from McDonalds for IGY
So you're saying you are in for 20 as well?
Let me in on this. No reason IGY should be the only one to make money off of you.
20 bones.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 11, 2009, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: reese125 on March 11, 2009, 05:08:15 PM
sorry to say Eagaholic you just bought another 5 happy meals from McDonalds for IGY
So you're saying you are in for 20 as well?
Let me in on this. No reason IGY should be the only one to make money off of you.
20 bones.
done
just to be clear - if he goes in the 1st round you guys win, if not I do
I want in on this action. If he goes in the 1st round, $20? IN IN IN
I'm just going to bet IGY and Feva. It only takes one and a Daniel Snyder might be more than happy to step up to the plate, and if a scout says Smith was a disaster at his pro day it could be a smoke screen as much as anything. In any case I'm not worried, worst case scenario is I'm out 40 beans but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a heart attack, gets arrested, or got a Lisfranc injury trying to run today. The guy is a mess.
Wait, you're counting on the taterskins to use a first round pick?
if they can use it stupidly enough, yes (not counting on it though)
Quote
SCOUT: "SMITH LOST MILLIONS TODAY"
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 11, 2009, 4:25 p.m.
Alabama offensive tackle Andre Smith's campus workout today in front of NFL scouts was a "disaster," according to Tony Pauline of SI.com.
Quoting an unnamed scout, Pauline writes that Smith's lack of preparation was obvious as he was overweight. One scout called the performance, "one of the worst workouts I've ever seen."
Another AFC East scout told Pauline: "He lost millions today."
As a league source told us earlier today, Smith ran with his shirt off.
According to Pauline, comments were made about "the flab and the rolls on his body" during Smith's 40-yard dashes as he posted times between 5.21 and 5.29 seconds.
Per the article, several scouts weren't happy to travel a long way only to witness a bad workout. And Smith's trainers were not pleased, either.
UPDATE: NFL.com has reported additional details on the workout, noting that Smith was 6-4 1/4, 325 pounds with 40-yard dash times of 5.28 and 5.33 seconds.
He turned in a 25-inch vertical leap, a 7-10 broad jump, a 7.88 time in the three-cone drill and bench pressed 225 pounds for 19 repetitions
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 07:38:29 PM
I'm just going to bet IGY and Feva. It only takes one and a Daniel Snyder might be more than happy to step up to the plate, and if a scout says Smith was a disaster at his pro day it could be a smoke screen as much as anything. In any case I'm not worried, worst case scenario is I'm out 40 beans but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a heart attack, gets arrested, or got a Lisfranc injury trying to run today. The guy is a mess.
Skip Daniel Snyder... if, by some chance he were to fall all the way to 21 (which he won't), you expect Andy Reid,
Andy freakin' Reid... to pass up a guy once thought of as the best OL in the draft... in a year where they BADLY NEED O-LINEMEN, not once... but twice?
Do ya thing... just make sure you write down my address correctly when you mail the check.
No doubt Smith's stock is falling... and fast... but a guy who could have been the #1
overall pick at one point ain't falling out of the 1st round altogether.
I would draft him at 21 with the quickness. At 28, you would have to be clinically insane to pass on him.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 11, 2009, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 07:38:29 PM
I'm just going to bet IGY and Feva. It only takes one and a Daniel Snyder might be more than happy to step up to the plate, and if a scout says Smith was a disaster at his pro day it could be a smoke screen as much as anything. In any case I'm not worried, worst case scenario is I'm out 40 beans but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a heart attack, gets arrested, or got a Lisfranc injury trying to run today. The guy is a mess.
Skip Daniel Snyder... if, by some chance he were to fall all the way to 21 (which he won't), you expect Andy Reid, Andy freakin' Reid... to pass up a guy once thought of as the best OL in the draft... in a year where they BADLY NEED O-LINEMEN, not once... but twice?
Do ya thing... just make sure you write down my address correctly when you mail the check.
No doubt Smith's stock is falling... and fast... but a guy who could have been the #1 overall pick at one point ain't falling out of the 1st round altogether.
Yes, I do think Reid would pas on Andre The Giant Bust Smith. He already has one first round headcase on the OL, I don't think he'll go for a second helping.
Oh, and Winston Justice says hi (only because they are making remarkable strides in the field of speech therapy).
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 11, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
I would draft him at 21 with the quickness. At 28, you would have to be clinically insane to pass on him.
WHich was said about Winston Justice's slippage too...
225 pounds 19 times? Really??
LOL
i dont even care about the money...its gonna make the draft that much more exciting to watch...especially once it gets into the 20's every pick is gonna have tons riding on it and the suspense will be great leading up to 32
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2009, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 11, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
I would draft him at 21 with the quickness. At 28, you would have to be clinically insane to pass on him.
WHich was said about Winston Justice's slippage too...
Winston Justice was a workout warrior. He showed more athleticism than any other OL in the draft.
Your analogy sucks.
yeah justice was never anywhere close to being looked at as a #1 overall pick
That too.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 08:21:57 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 11, 2009, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 07:38:29 PM
I'm just going to bet IGY and Feva. It only takes one and a Daniel Snyder might be more than happy to step up to the plate, and if a scout says Smith was a disaster at his pro day it could be a smoke screen as much as anything. In any case I'm not worried, worst case scenario is I'm out 40 beans but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a heart attack, gets arrested, or got a Lisfranc injury trying to run today. The guy is a mess.
Skip Daniel Snyder... if, by some chance he were to fall all the way to 21 (which he won't), you expect Andy Reid, Andy freakin' Reid... to pass up a guy once thought of as the best OL in the draft... in a year where they BADLY NEED O-LINEMEN, not once... but twice?
Do ya thing... just make sure you write down my address correctly when you mail the check.
No doubt Smith's stock is falling... and fast... but a guy who could have been the #1 overall pick at one point ain't falling out of the 1st round altogether.
Yes, I do think Reid would pas on Andre The Giant Bust Smith. He already has one first round headcase on the OL, I don't think he'll go for a second helping.
Oh, and Winston Justice says hi (only because they are making remarkable strides in the field of speech therapy).
First off, I'm not saying the guy is or isn't going to be a bust. I couldn't care less how he turns out unless he ends up in the NFC East. What I'm saying is that a guy who was as highly regarded as he was at one point, will not fall out of the first round. 30 teams will not pass on him. Second, I really hope you see the difference between how far a guy with a mid-first round grade can slip as opposed to a guy who could have been taken with the #1 overall pick. So... other than the fact that Justice and Smith are offensive tackles, that analogy is a pretty bad one.
I don't give a damn bad he's messed up lately... the guy has a ton of talent, or else he wouldn't have been as high rated as he was before his problems started. There are way too many teams this year who need offensive line help badly (DET, STL, JAX, GB, BAL, KC, WAS, PHI off the top of my head) for all of them to pass on this guy... and twice in the case of the Lions and Eagles. Someone is going to take a chance at whipping him into shape in order to get to his potential.
Btw... Steve Wyche on NFL Network says Smith is going to visit with the Eagles on Friday.
I can't believe Eagaholic won't cake me off too. What a bitch.
forgte the eagles he still has over a month of visits to individual teams...once he meets individually a lot of stuff will be put to rest...by all accounts hes a really good kid that made a mistake leaving the combine...he could mess up again but short of that it would be a giant shock if he doesnt go in the first
in fact id be more surprised if goes 20-30 than 1-10
Me too. I don't think there's a chance in hell he even falls to the Eagles to give them the opportunity to pass twice.
Justice's slide was comparable in the sense that he was thought of as a top-10 pick. If I remember right, he was originally slated to go 7th that year and then dropped like a rock. So it is pretty similar.
i always remembered justice as going in the late teens to mid 20's
I just looked at the draft list and it was actually 8th when people started saying he would go...to Buffalo. That was the year they shocked everyone and took Donte Whitner that high.
8th to up in the 20's tho right...thats a far cry from #1 overall
Smith was projected as a top 10 pick as well; but still it is comparable.
smith was #1 overall a few weeks ago...it would have been a huge shock if justice had even gone top 5...i think youre underestimating the gap that exists btwn a possible #1 overall pick and even like the #8 pick
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2009, 11:25:56 AM
Smith was projected as a top 10 pick as well; but still it is comparable.
No, it's really very different, and you're reaching severely.
The fall might be closer to Aaron Rodgers or Randy Moss than Winston Justice...
Brady Quinn
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 12, 2009, 10:31:13 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 08:21:57 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 11, 2009, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 11, 2009, 07:38:29 PM
I'm just going to bet IGY and Feva. It only takes one and a Daniel Snyder might be more than happy to step up to the plate, and if a scout says Smith was a disaster at his pro day it could be a smoke screen as much as anything. In any case I'm not worried, worst case scenario is I'm out 40 beans but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a heart attack, gets arrested, or got a Lisfranc injury trying to run today. The guy is a mess.
Skip Daniel Snyder... if, by some chance he were to fall all the way to 21 (which he won't), you expect Andy Reid, Andy freakin' Reid... to pass up a guy once thought of as the best OL in the draft... in a year where they BADLY NEED O-LINEMEN, not once... but twice?
Do ya thing... just make sure you write down my address correctly when you mail the check.
No doubt Smith's stock is falling... and fast... but a guy who could have been the #1 overall pick at one point ain't falling out of the 1st round altogether.
Yes, I do think Reid would pas on Andre The Giant Bust Smith. He already has one first round headcase on the OL, I don't think he'll go for a second helping.
Oh, and Winston Justice says hi (only because they are making remarkable strides in the field of speech therapy).
First off, I'm not saying the guy is or isn't going to be a bust. I couldn't care less how he turns out unless he ends up in the NFC East. What I'm saying is that a guy who was as highly regarded as he was at one point, will not fall out of the first round. 30 teams will not pass on him. Second, I really hope you see the difference between how far a guy with a mid-first round grade can slip as opposed to a guy who could have been taken with the #1 overall pick. So... other than the fact that Justice and Smith are offensive tackles, that analogy is a pretty bad one.
I don't give a damn bad he's messed up lately... the guy has a ton of talent, or else he wouldn't have been as high rated as he was before his problems started. There are way too many teams this year who need offensive line help badly (DET, STL, JAX, GB, BAL, KC, WAS, PHI off the top of my head) for all of them to pass on this guy... and twice in the case of the Lions and Eagles. Someone is going to take a chance at whipping him into shape in order to get to his potential.
Btw... Steve Wyche on NFL Network says Smith is going to visit with the Eagles on Friday.
You make a compelling argument. OK, the bet's off.
Justice and Bunkley were widely believed to be Buffalo's pick at 8 but Marv Levy ushered in a new and short lived trend of overvaluing CB/Safety tweeners as Phreak alluded to (I think Ngata was also in the mix). The comparison is fairly reasonable because in no way was A. Smith widely thought to be the overall number 1. As many mocks and analysts had another tackle and more had Stafford first overall.
In any case, Justice was a concern because of character issues and getting suspended from USC for a year which obviously predated any draft projections, so it is basically the same as Smith falling after the combine. BTW, I now see a decent possibility of him going in the top 25 or so, and it only takes 1, but I'm only about kidding about the bet's off, just wanted to get Feva's blood pressure up even higher.
High blood pressure? Nah... I'm keeping cool with the thought of fanning myself with a new crisp $20 bill.
It's only a 20, I use them to wipe my butt, so it may not be new and crisp, and a little dicey for fanning.
here is everyone's boy looking gorgeous running the 40
http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=1218630 (http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=1218630)
he's gonna get two black eyes if he keeps running like that.
This is Andre. Andre had bitch tits.
You are not your farging khakis.
he is not his khackis. would he be offended by this comment rj?
Quote from: reese125 on March 13, 2009, 08:15:44 AM
here is everyone's boy looking gorgeous running the 40
http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=1218630 (http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=1218630)
those cheeseburgers are hilarious. :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2009, 11:23:03 AM
I just looked at the draft list and it was actually 8th when people started saying he would go...to Buffalo. That was the year they shocked everyone and took Donte Whitner that high.
Wasn't that Bunkley, though? I remember everyone had their boners for him and hoping and praying he or Ngata would fall to the Eagles. The Eagles were supposedly going to have to trade up if they wanted either of them. Everyone had Buffalo taking Bunkley at 8 and Baltimore was supposed to grab Ngata at 12 or 13 (don't remember exactly where they were). I remember Justice being the guy going in the mid round (12-20) that the Eagles would have a good shot at if neither of the DT's fell to them.
Most people thought Buffalo would choose between either Bunkley or Justice since they badly needed help on both lines.
instead they got Mccargo
But they drafted Donte Whitner top 10.
just to keep Eagaholics hopes strong to save 40 beans, here are the wonderlic scores
Arizona's Eben Britton with 31.
Eugene Monroe of Virginia had 24
Jason Smith of Baylor 23
Michael Oher of Mississippi 19.
Andre Smith of Alabama scored 17
Compensatory picks announced:
3rd rd = NE, CIN, CHI, NYG (#100)
4th rd = SD, SD, TEN, IND
5th rd = PIT, NE, SF, DAL (#172), TEN
6th rd = TEN, NE, DAL (#208), CIN
7th rd = TEN, WSH (#243), SF, SEA, CHI, SEA, SEA, CIN, JAX, CHI, CIN, JAX, ARZ, DET, KC
New England, Tennessee, San Diego... the rich get richer.
The Eagles already have 12 frigging draft picks and they're probably going to get rid of half of them in trades as it is.
... and then get rid of half those draft picks in TC/preseason.
Opening day, 2009... those 12 draft picks will have turned into a backup G and a LS.
Kick BUTT!!!
supposedly Hakeem Nicks gained 14-16 pounds in 3 weeks from just laying around and not working out due to injury
Why did the Giants get a 3rd??
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 25, 2009, 09:21:29 AM
Why did the Giants get a 3rd??
Because of the enormous contract the Raiders gave Wilson.
they also lost two guys who both started 16 games for other teams
3rd
NE = Asante Samuel
CIN = Justin Smith
CHI = Bernard Berrian
NYG = Gibril Wilson
4th
SD = Michael Turner
SD = Drayton Florence
TEN = Antwan Odom
IND = Jake Scott
5th
PIT = Alan Faneca
NE = Donte' Stallworth
SF = Kwame Harris
DAL = Jacques Reeves
TEN = Travis LaBoy
6th
TEN = Randy Starks
NE = Randall Gay
DAL = Julius Jones
CIN = Landon Johnson
7th
TEN = Ben Hartsock
WSH = Mark Brunell
SF = Marques Douglas
SEA = Chuck Darby
CHI = John Gilmore
SEA = Ellis Wyms
SEA = Kevin Bentley
CIN = Bryan Robinson
JAX = Terry Cousin
CHI = Brendon Ayanbadejo
CIN = Alex Stepanovich? Madieu Williams?
JAX = Sammy Knight? Bobby McCray? Ernest Wilford?
ARZ = Calvin Pace? Bryant Johnson?
DET = filler pick
KC = filler pick
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 25, 2009, 09:26:38 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 25, 2009, 09:21:29 AM
Why did the Giants get a 3rd??
Because of the enormous contract the Raiders gave Wilson.
...who's now a Dolphin. Awesome.
i never knew they determined picks on a player by player basis...i thought the cumulative of all you lost and gained was turned into giving or getting an x amount of picks
I understand the rules of comp picks, but the mere fact that the Giants are getting a 3 for a guy who 1. sucks and 2. isnt even on that team anymore is more than enough evidence that the rules need to be changed a bit.
youre the only one who understands them...they are a bigger mystery than vorp
i dont understand how something that awards a thing as important as draft picks is not explained...saying it has to do with contract amount playing time and success is not near specific enough
I dont mean I know all the rules well enough, but I have a general idea of how they are divided, that you can't trade them, etc...
Basically, I know them well enough to be able to say that the Giants getting a 3rd for Wilson is a joke.
agree. that cat sucked it up hard in oakland and his coverage skills were exposed
just goes to show you that when you have that kind of pressure on the qb that the Giants had, not only is it pie to become one of the top free agents on the market the following season but you can actually fool other teams into believing youre really that good
the problem is maybe they weigh contract amount more heavily than they weigh quality of play...or maybe amount of snaps played is more important than both of them...until they come up with some sort of formula the whole thing is suspect imo
You have to find a way to quantify something that is more qualitative. So, you either make it subjective to someone's opinion, or you base it on the amount of cheddar which said homey is stacking.
I love when your Erkel and 50 cent persona come out at the same time---its much more enjoyable to read
What if the Giants picked Gibril back up after the Raiders cut him? Would they still get the comp pick?
Because as it stands now, essentially, the Giants acquired a 3rd round pick for Wilson. Ew.
damn...this Gibril Wilson shtein really has you up in arms huh?
eagles got a second (that almost turned into chad johnson) for aj feely
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2009, 03:31:39 PM
eagles got a second (that almost turned into chad johnson) for aj feely
i spit my drink
Quote from: reese125 on March 25, 2009, 03:18:38 PM
damn...this Gibril Wilson shtein really has you up in arms huh?
dude, i hate the giants more than life itself....anything that makes them better makes my life worse.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2009, 01:59:19 PM
the problem is maybe they weigh contract amount more heavily than they weigh quality of play...or maybe amount of snaps played is more important than both of them...until they come up with some sort of formula the whole thing is suspect imo
They don't try to subjectively weigh quality of play at all (and it would be a minefield if they did try). Salary, games played, games started, and honors won (like Pro Bowl selection) are used as a proxy for objectively determining the worth of a player.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 25, 2009, 03:07:05 PM
What if the Giants picked Gibril back up after the Raiders cut him? Would they still get the comp pick?
As far as I know, yes.
Quote from: Die-Hard on March 25, 2009, 03:52:51 PMdude, i hate the giants more than life itself....
damn
New England got a 5th for Donte Stallworth?
Talk about a hit and run deal.
So the NFL is changing the rules (in 2010) so that the draft pick order of playoff teams is dependent on how those teams do in the playoffs.
Easy won't be able to figure out the draft order in November anymore.
Quote from: Rome on March 25, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
New England got a 5th for Donte Stallworth?
Talk about a hit and run deal.
Heh.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 25, 2009, 08:37:24 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 25, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
New England got a 5th for Donte Stallworth?
Talk about a hit and run deal.
Heh.
No. Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
You're only saying that because you laughed and are now ashamed of yourself.
D- at best. If we awarded draft picks for jokes, that would get a 6th.
QuoteBills' Peters could hold interest for Eagles
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
DANA POINT, Calif. - Buffalo Bills coach Dick Jauron acknowledged his concern yesterday about Jason Peters' well-documented contract dispute.
"Yeah, we" worry, Jauron said during the AFC coaches' media breakfast at the St. Regis Monarch Beach Resort. "We're into our off-season training program and we're anticipating that he'll be around for the mandatory parts of it . . . but, yeah, you worry about a lot of things, and that's another thing to worry about."
That concern could lead to the Eagles' trying to make a deal with Buffalo for Peters, a left tackle who has been to the Pro Bowl the last two seasons.
Last year, Peters boycotted the Bills' off-season camps, including the mandatory one, and training camp. It's a situation the Bills probably would be reluctant to go through again.
Peters, according to reports in the Buffalo News, wants to be the highest-paid left tackle in the NFL, a title that belongs to Carolina's Jordan Gross, who signed a six-year, $60 million deal shortly before the start of free agency last month.
So would the Bills trade Peters if he repeated last year's holdout act?
"I don't know about that," Jauron said. "He's an awfully good player at left tackle. He was voted to the Pro Bowl the last two years and he's a very unique player, a very unique athlete. He's a giant man."
Peters, 6-foot-4 and 340 pounds, played tight end at Arkansas.
Sounds interesting, but like Jauron is trying to sell him. I wouldn't get my hopes up too high. He's signed through 2010 and Rotoworld says they are about $3 million part in negotiations. He also had a bad year last season, giving up the most sacks of any LT (11.5 in only 13 games) and missed 3 games from injury after holding out for training camp. Some say huge upside but played badly because of discontent, missing TC etc. and played at a true PB level the year before.
So, how much to give up for him if he's available? I'd give a 2 + 5 and a good contract heavy with incentives.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 25, 2009, 07:05:00 PMEasy won't be able to figure out the draft order in November anymore.
boooo
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 25, 2009, 11:48:21 PM
QuoteBills' Peters could hold interest for Eagles
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
DANA POINT, Calif. - Buffalo Bills coach Dick Jauron acknowledged his concern yesterday about Jason Peters' well-documented contract dispute.
"Yeah, we" worry, Jauron said during the AFC coaches' media breakfast at the St. Regis Monarch Beach Resort. "We're into our off-season training program and we're anticipating that he'll be around for the mandatory parts of it . . . but, yeah, you worry about a lot of things, and that's another thing to worry about."
That concern could lead to the Eagles' trying to make a deal with Buffalo for Peters, a left tackle who has been to the Pro Bowl the last two seasons.
Last year, Peters boycotted the Bills' off-season camps, including the mandatory one, and training camp. It's a situation the Bills probably would be reluctant to go through again.
Peters, according to reports in the Buffalo News, wants to be the highest-paid left tackle in the NFL, a title that belongs to Carolina's Jordan Gross, who signed a six-year, $60 million deal shortly before the start of free agency last month.
So would the Bills trade Peters if he repeated last year's holdout act?
"I don't know about that," Jauron said. "He's an awfully good player at left tackle. He was voted to the Pro Bowl the last two years and he's a very unique player, a very unique athlete. He's a giant man."
Peters, 6-foot-4 and 340 pounds, played tight end at Arkansas.
Sounds interesting, but like Jauron is trying to sell him. I wouldn't get my hopes up too high. He's signed through 2010 and Rotoworld says they are about $3 million part in negotiations. He also had a bad year last season, giving up the most sacks of any LT (11.5 in only 13 games) and missed 3 games from injury after holding out for training camp. Some say huge upside but played badly because of discontent, missing TC etc. and played at a true PB level the year before.
So, how much to give up for him if he's available? I'd give a 2 + 5 and a good contract heavy with incentives.
is there even an inkling of interest from the eagles...i dont see any...i just see brookover saying he is unhappy in buffalo
the Eagles were "supposedly" interested in him before, so now that he is once again bitching about his contract its selling time by the Philly media and message boards
where is he bitching about his contract in that article...it only references him bitching last year and presumes he will again this year
in other words nothing changed in his situation in the last 12 months
brookover being brookver
If the Lions have any fans left, I fully expect this kind of reaction come their #1 pick--and the last clip for good luck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaYgGSHJ5hM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaYgGSHJ5hM&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTej926Pvo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BTej926Pvo)
the guys that failed the drug test for marijuana :
Texas-El Paso PK Jose Martinez,
University of Illinois CB Vontae Davis
University of Florida WR Percy Harvin
Pot is bad
Percy Harvin was probably the only WR to have the best shot to go in the 1st rd
I hope that was that best bong hit of his life
I'll wait for MDS to comment on Druggies
STUPID JOCKS![/DIO]
BJ Raji failed too
Damn...three top 15/20 guys failed. Way to go fellas!
Two USC defensive guys tested positive for steroids (Cushing and Matthews (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/149917-cushing-and-matthews-test-positive-for-steroids))
what....no way!!1
(http://yepyep.gibbs12.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/cushing_steroids.jpg)
What the farg? Nice bitch tits.
Quote from: reese125 on April 02, 2009, 10:49:50 PM
Percy Harvin was probably the only WR to have the best shot to go in the 1st rd
I hope that was that best bong hit of his life
Crabtree?
Maclin?
G-Lew....
I mean Heyward-Bey?
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 03, 2009, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 02, 2009, 10:49:50 PM
Percy Harvin was probably the only WR to have the best shot to go in the 1st rd
I hope that was that best bong hit of his life
Crabtree?
correct sir...thats my bad and hes a given.
The NFL denied that any of those reports are true.
QuoteThe NFL routinely has invited six of the projected top picks but league officials decided to expand the list to include players who have compelling stories, even if they are not necessarily top 10 selections.
The soap opera shtein at the draft is getting lamer.
they pretty much ruined the draft when they changed the noon starting time last year and changed the amount of rounds on day one
Yeah, before that it was so incredible.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2009, 05:04:58 PM
they pretty much ruined the draft when they changed the noon starting time last year and changed the amount of rounds on day one
hell I thought last year was great, they actually made picks in a timely manner, there wasn't any of the bullshtein waiting their whole allotted time.
i did like the 10 minutes btwn picks...i just wasnt feeling the 3pm start and only two rounds...it ruins the whole 'first day pick' thing
Sitting in front of the television with a cooler full of beer rules.
steel reserves...my house...draft day
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2009, 12:32:06 PM
i did like the 10 minutes btwn picks...i just wasnt feeling the 3pm start and only two rounds...it ruins the whole 'first day pick' thing
Yeah, that does kind of suck. I wasn't affected by it last year being 9 timezones away. This year it is good for me as well since that is the day I should be back in PA for good.
draft got bumped back again to 4pm
I just found out i have a damn wedding to go to Draft day :(
Hoyda
Quote from: SunMo on April 13, 2009, 12:48:50 PM
Hoyda
Sunday Draft party my place....At least they have an open bar at the wedding.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 13, 2009, 12:48:10 PM
I just found out i have a damn wedding to go to Draft day :(
They can't change the date? Who the hell plans these things?
The NFL, I think.
I thought Sunny was playing with us.
Sadly he wasn't. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80fb623d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)
Meh - more time to drink like a motherfarger before the start of the draft. Fine by me.
:yay
I just saw Matt Millen's mock is up.
Top 5:
1. Detroit - Crabtree
2. Detroit (from Rams) - Maclin
3. Chefs - Heyward-Bey
4. Seattle - Nicks
5. Detroit (from Cleveland) - Harvin
Looks like if the Eagles want to go WR it will be slim pickins by 21
That's laughable. Millen loves him some WR's, obviously. Heyward-Bey at #3? Nicks at #4?
Is Detroit really going to end up with 3 top-5 picks?
me thinks it was a joke
at least it was a laughable one
Sorry, my humor meter is set to "SURVIVAL MODE" today.
Eye of the Tiger or No Easy Way Out?
that's suvivor. dum dum
the Lions "deny" that they're close to signing Stafford to a deal w/ $40M guaranteed
Stafford = Scott Mitchell?
Signed, Sealed, Delivered
The Lions have found who they hope will be their franchise quarterback. Matthew Stafford ended months of speculation Friday night, agreeing to a six-year, $41.7M deal to be the No. 1 pick in Saturday's draft.
He's going to suck balls.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 24, 2009, 11:04:29 PM
Signed, Sealed, Delivered
The Lions have found who they hope will be their franchise quarterback. Matthew Stafford ended months of speculation Friday night, agreeing to a six-year, $41.7M deal to be the No. 1 pick in Saturday's draft.
ESPN news reporting 6 yr. at 78.4 mil. :o
that was from espn
QuoteAccording to a source, Stafford will receive a six-year, $41.7 million deal that could be worth $78 million if he achieves all of his playing incentives. The source also said he will receive $41.7 million in guarantees. That tops the $41 million in guarantees Albert Haynesworth received from the Washington taterskins.
just repeating what they had "rollin" across the screen on ESPN
Right, the $41.7m is GUARANTEED money. Ridiculous.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 07:08:01 AM
Right, the $41.7m is GUARANTEED money. Ridiculous.
$41.7m guaranteed for some QB who hasn't played a down in the league? Good Lord, does anyone in a front office remember Ryan Leaf? Andre Ware? Akili Smith? FFS...
Quote from: NC_Eagle on April 25, 2009, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2009, 07:08:01 AM
Right, the $41.7m is GUARANTEED money. Ridiculous.
$41.7m guaranteed for some QB who hasn't played a down in the league? Good Lord, does anyone in a front office remember Ryan Leaf? Andre Ware? Akili Smith? FFS...
i'm fairly certain that matt ryan and joe flacco were the negotiating tools used by stafford's agent.
but yeah, 41mil guaranteed to any rookie is rediculous.
* Official *
Matthew Stafford is a Lion.
A LION DAMN IT!
Wow...Jets just traded up with Cleveland and are gonna take Sanchez
Which is an awesome move by NYJ - depending on the price.
Wow - 1st, 2nd, plus Coleman, Ratmliff, and Elam for Sanchez
That's a hell of a price.
Even if it was just for a 1st and 2nd, it's too much...he's gonna be a colassal bust.
Al Davis is crazy.
Wow! I was shocked that JAX passed on a receiver and equally shocked that DEN did not trade up to this spot to draft Raji; they need a NT.
Now I bet GB goes Raji, SF goes Crabtree...
Quote from: bowzer on April 25, 2009, 05:02:15 PM
Al Davis is crazy.
As long as his specter haunts the Raiders compound they will take the guy with track guy speed at wide reciever.
This draft is unreal, Crabtree still on the board is kind of crazy. This is actually setting up pretty nicely for Philly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2009, 05:11:09 PMNow I bet GB goes Raji, SF goes Crabtree...
Right on both counts...
woulda, coulda, shoulda?
I HATE THE BRONCOS
fargkkkkkk
They stole Dawk and now Moreno
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2009, 05:33:07 PM
fargkkkkkk
They stole Dawk and now Moreno
RIGHT THERE WITH YA PHREAK
Wow...Browns traded out again!
Bucs now on the clock. Do they go Maclin?
Watch Denver take Pettigrew now...theyll have him AND Moreno. farg it all to hell.
Detroit gets Pettigrew
So CLE trades back 3 times and selects Alex Mack (goodbye to the Fraley era)
And Minnesota takes Percy Harvin....interesting.
Childess takes a potential problem.
Mike Mayock: "we're all here congratulating them, but if he ends up on the love boat smokin' a bone...."
on the Vikes taking Harvin... :-D
2 picks left
I hope Andre Smith goes in the 1st round (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=20404.60) :-D
Don't rub it in. I desperately tried to get on that money train.
I'm surprised IGY hasn't been around to rub in the fact that Moreno went well before #21.
Two OT's for Jacksonville. Is Tra even going to play this year?
Im sure it was tough for IGY's buddies to carry his ass outta the Wach today...
Is there a list of available players? Easy?
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 25, 2009, 08:23:42 PM
Is there a list of available players? Easy?
NFL.com has you covered (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-round-input:1/dt-by-position-input:rb)
Bill Belichick is ghastly ugly, especially when he smiles. Was the camera in his farging lap?
Quote from: Diomedes on April 25, 2009, 09:56:44 PM
Bill Belichick is ghastly ugly, especially when he smiles. Was the camera in his farging lap?
Other than the fact that he's a tremendous football coach, Biličić seems to have few redeeming qualities. By all appearances he is an emotionless monster.
In a parallel dimension, his family stayed in the Balkans. He would have conquered and ethnically cleansed most of Eastern Europe by now.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 25, 2009, 08:23:42 PM
Is there a list of available players? Easy?
That NFL.com link has everyone, but here's a list of names to keep an eye on for tomorrow:
QBRhett Bomar (Sam Houston State)
Nate Davis (Ball State)
Cullen Harper (Clemson)
Graham Harrell (Texas Tech)
Hunter Cantwell (Louisville)
Chase Daniel (Missouri)
Curtis Painter (Purdue)
Stephen McGee (Texas A&M)
Tom Brandstater (Fresno State)
Rudy Carpenter (Arizona State)
Mike Teel (Rutgers)
John Parker Wilson (Alabama)
Mike Reilly (Central Washington)
Nathan Brown (Central Arkansas)
RBShonn Greene (Iowa)
James Davis (Clemson)
Javon Ringer (Michigan State)
Andre Brown (NC State)
Jeremiah Johnson (Oregon)
Rashad Jennings (Liberty)
Arian Foster (Tennessee)
WRDerrick Williams (Penn State)
Louis Murphy (Florida)
Juaquin Iglesias (Oklahoma)
Brandon Tate (North Carolina)
Ramses Barden (Cal Poly)
Brandon Gibson (Washington State)
Demetrius Byrd (LSU) -- was in accident this week
TEJared Cook (South Carolina)
Cornelius Ingram (Florida)
Shawn Nelson (Southern Miss)
Chase Coffman (Missouri)
Travis Beckum (Wisconsin)
James Casey (Rice)
OTJamon Meredith (South Carolina)
Jason Watkins (Florida)
Alex Boone (Ohio State)
Gerald Cadogan (Penn State)
GDuke Robinson (Oklahoma)
Herman Johnson (LSU)
Greg Isdaner (West Virginia)
CJonathan Luigs (Arkansas)
Antoine Caldwell (Alabama)
A.Q. Shipley (Penn State)
Edwin Williams (Maryland)
DEMichael Johnson (Georgia Tech)
Jarron Gilbert (San Jose State)
Maurice Evans (Penn State)
Kyle Moore (USC)
Matt Shaughnessy (Wisconsin)
Brandon Williams (Texas Tech)
Stryker Sulak (Missouri)
DTRoy Miller (Texas) -- Phreak's boy
Chris Baker (Hampton)
Ricky Jean Francois (LSU)
LBDarry Beckwith (LSU)
Gerald McRath (Southern Miss)
Marcus Freeman (Ohio State)
Jonathan Casillas (Wisconsin)
DeAndre Levy (Wisconsin)
Kaluka Maiava (USC)
CBDJ Moore (Vanderbilt)
Victor "Macho" Harris (Virginia Tech)
Mike Mickens (Cincinnati)
Cary Harris (USC)
SRashad Johnson (Alabama)
Michael Hamlin (Clemson)
Emanuel Cook (South Carolina)
Curtis Taylor (LSU)
Nic Harris (Oklahoma)
David Bruton (Notre Dame)
How do you acquire a nickname like "Macho"? I man other than Hector Camacho because it rhymes...I assume someone has to give it to you?
My boy knows Roy Miller...he's a regional manager for a sporting goods store and hired his sister and got to know him pretty good. He also knows Iglesias because he played HS ball with his brother.
Gimme a TE, I'd take a flyer on Ingram later....but Cook or Nelson would be good too.
Mike Johnson would be great
DJ Moore too
I wanna see Coffman in the 3rd..
QuoteMichael Mitchell was convinced he was going to Chicago at 49
And, if the Raiders didn't get him at No. 47, the Bears were ready to pounce at No. 49, according to the Ohio University hitter. Mitchell was sure he was headed there when the Raiders traded down from No. 40 in the second round.
"I thought I was going to Chicago," Mitchell said. "Because they had told me to stay close to my phone. When they did that, I was like OK, 'I'm going to be a Chicago Bear.' That's what I was thinking. Oakland was able to get to 47. They traded back and it takes a couple of minutes to tell you where they will be. When I saw it was 47, I thought there was still a chance there. It's so amazing how this has happened and worked out. I'm just pumped."
The Raiders got Mitchell, projected by many to go later in the second day. The Bears traded away their No. 49 pick, apparently because Mitchell was their answer at safety.
Not surprising to read this because Jerry Angelo is a boob of a GM too
There's actually some quality left at RB.
Needs go:
1. Secondary
2. TE
3. DE
4. Everything else.
1. Secondary
2. TE
3. DE
4. QB
5. Everything else
They gotta add some competition at QB.
yes, they do. If Kolb is the Eagles' backup option this season...ugh.
The Jets did the same thing the Eagles did a few years ago... traded up to the first pick of the 2nd day to get a guy from Iowa.
Something tells me that Shonn Greene might be a better player than Sean Considine.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 26, 2009, 02:12:40 AM
I wanna see Coffman in the 3rd..
Absolutely. Same here, man. He should be there.
The Bengals have now taken three straight guys with character issues. They all have talent, no doubt, but I have to wonder if Marvin Lewis is more stubborn and set in his ways than Reid.
There are a bunch of TE's still out there. Is Coffman better than Ingram?
Also, as a Penn Stater, I'm on Derrick Williams watch a little bit. I do NOT want the Eagles to get him at this point. He's a MD boy, so I wonder if the skins will pull the trigger.
Terrance Knighton goes early 3rd to Jacksonville. Temple football!
Dude, you're small time. Munson had cocktails with Mike Gibson and Danny Amendola.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2009, 10:55:42 AM
There are a bunch of TE's still out there. Is Coffman better than Ingram?
Depends on what you want for your TE.
If you're looking for the blocking TE... honestly, look elsewhere. He's decent at it, but in Missouri's O, they didn't ask him to do it very often.
If you figure there's no way in hell Andy Reid even knows what a blocking TE is, let alone being ready to draft one (which is where I am), then Coffman is a great pick. He's an athletic, down the field thread who has spectacular hands and is an elite pass catcher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv6ORtqmEpY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv6ORtqmEpY)
Phreak's boy to Tampa Bay
Derrick Williams to Detroit
Derrick Williams will love Detroit.
Holy crap - only a 4.67? How the hell? He ran a sub 4.4 before college.
Detroit starts a run on WR...
Jared Cook to the Titans...
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 25, 2009, 11:37:53 PM
How do you acquire a nickname like "Macho"? I man other than Hector Camacho because it rhymes...I assume someone has to give it to you?
That or you have to successfully rape someone without them finding out.
The Bengals are quietly having a helluva draft. Too bad they have to deal with the Steelers and Ravens 4 games a year.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 26, 2009, 12:11:18 PM
The Bengals are quietly having a helluva draft. Too bad they have to deal with the Steelers and Ravens 4 games a year.
What do you mean? I heard Andre Smith was supposed to drop well into the 2nd round.
denver has had an incredible draft...i havent gone thru them all but they are as of now the draft winners imo
Saints took the Wake safety Chip Vaughn...good pick
erin andrews is a goddess
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2009, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 26, 2009, 12:11:18 PM
The Bengals are quietly having a helluva draft. Too bad they have to deal with the Steelers and Ravens 4 games a year.
What do you mean? I heard Andre Smith was supposed to drop well into the 2nd round.
the reality was that was never going to happen even if the Bengals didnt take him. All the combine nonsense and red flag stuff wasnt enough to knock his natural talent.
You haven't been around enough to realize how much I'm not serious about that.
Is Raheem Morris high right now?
some names still available:
QB
Cullen Harper (Clemson)
Graham Harrell (Texas Tech)
Hunter Cantwell (Louisville)
Chase Daniel (Missouri)
Brian Hoyer (Michigan State)
Curtis Painter (Purdue)
Rudy Carpenter (Arizona State)
John Parker Wilson (Alabama)
Mike Reilly (Central Washington)
Nathan Brown (Central Arkansas)
RB
James Davis (Clemson)
Jeremiah Johnson (Oregon)
Rashad Jennings (Liberty)
P.J. Hill (Wisconsin)
Arian Foster (Tennessee)
Ian Johnson (Boise State)
Marlon Lucky (Nebraska)
WR
Manuel Johnson (Oklahoma WR)
Demetrius Byrd (LSU) -- was in accident this week
Quan Cosby (Texas)
Jaison Williams (Oregon)
Jordan Norwood (Penn State)
TE
Dan Gronkowski (Maryland)
Kory Sperry (Colorado State)
OL
Jason Watkins (Florida)
Alex Boone (Ohio State)
A.Q. Shipley (Penn State)
DE
Maurice Evans (Penn State)
Tim Jamison (Michigan)
Phillip Hunt (Houston)
DT
Chris Baker (Hampton)
Ricky Jean-Francois (LSU)
Mitch King (Iowa)
LB
Zack Follett (California)
Darry Beckwith (LSU)
Dannell Ellerbe (Georgia)
Jonathan Casillas (Wisconsin)
Brian Toal (Boston College)
CB
Mike Mickens (Cincinnati)
Ellis Lankster (West Virginia)
Captain Munnerlyn (South Carolina)
Derek Pegues (Mississippi State)
Jahi Word-Daniels (Georgia Tech)
S
Emanuel Cook (South Carolina)
Curtis Taylor (LSU)
The Raiders just picked a guy named Stryker Sulak. Neat.
And the Chargers just took a flier on Demetrius Byrd. (Hi Rome!)
Maclin and McCoy pics:
FLASH-based site makes sharing pics tough (http://origin-www.philadelphiaeagles.com/photos/index.asp)
Breakdown of ALL the trades (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80ff4515&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)
UDFA updates (http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/04/2009-undrafted-free-agent-signings-list.html)
Maurice Evans = Giants
Chase Daniel = taterskins
Jordan Norwood = Browns
Graham Harrell = Panthers
Gerald Cadogan = Panthers
Mark Rubin = Rams
ESPN draft grades, as voted on by the fans. (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=4100979) The way these are weighted, basically any team below a B- has very depressed fans today.
49ers: A
Eagles: A-
Packers: A-
Seahawks: A-
Lions: B+
Falcons: B+
Saints: B+
Cardinals: B+
Rams: B+
Jets: B+
Bengals: B+
Colts: B+
Texans: B+
Jaguars: B+
Giants: B
taterskins: B
Vikings: B
Dolphins: B
Patriots: B
Bills: B
Ravens: B
Titans: B
Panthers: B-
Steelers: B-
Browns: B-
Chiefs: B-
Bears: C+
Chargers: C+
Cowboys: C
Buccaneers: C
Broncos: C
Raiders: F
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 26, 2009, 09:40:45 PM
The way these are weighted, basically any team below a B- has very depressed fans today.
Raiders: F
maybe raiders fans will do the world a favor and off themselves then.
I *almost* felt bad for them. Their team is completely controlled by a senile man, and that was reflected in their picks. I think Davis tried to take Ken Stabler in Round 2, and when the NFL told him it wasn't 1968, he got embarrassed and just pointed to a random name on the draft chart.
Will the media make a big deal about Stafford being booed year after year after year? (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810024be&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true)
I say that they won't unless Stafford shows that he's affected by it (like McNabb is).
Teams I thought did well:
Giants - every one of their picks made sense. Their top 5 picks (Nicks, Sintim, Beatty, Barden, Beckum and Brown) if they pan out will make them deeper than they already are. Them getting Andre Brown to go along with Jacobs and Bradshaw is scary.
Bengals - Because of their first three picks. Smith, Maualuga and Johnson could all be great picks if they shake the questions surrounding them. If Smith's work ethic is good, if Maualuga can be a 3-down MLB and if Johnson can use his size and athleticism then they made out.
Browns - Drafted the best center, two solid WR prospects, a 3-4 edge rusher and Maiava to plug inside after losing Davis to Denver.
Lions - Not sure how Stafford will turn out, but getting Pettigrewalso in the first and Derrick Williams, Sammie Lee Hill and Lydon Murtha later on could all be good picks.
Also I liked what Houston, Miami, New England and Tennessee did.
Dallas and Oakland were horrible.
Kansas City better hope that Tyson Jackson is Richard Seymour reincarnated because if he flops, then they'll look incredibly stupid.
The center that Cincy got (Luigs) was the nation's best center in '07. I liked that pick too...
The Jets are making some silly trades, but they got maybe a franchise QB and maybe a franchise RB in Sanchez and Greene. Have to like the effort.
Agreed about the Jints, hard not to like what they did. Since Reese has taken over as GM they consistenly draft very well.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 26, 2009, 09:40:45 PM
ESPN draft grades, as voted on by the fans. (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=4100979) The way these are weighted, basically any team below a B- has very depressed fans today.
Bears: C+
How do the Bears get rated so low? Getting Cutler was their draft and apparently that defensive guy they took with their first pick was a smart move.
The Jets signed J'Nathan Bullock, the Cleveland State basketball player, as a UDFA.
Remember Willie Williams, the hyped up LB that ran into trouble at Miami? He signed with the Packers.
Vikings signed Boise State RB Ian Johnson.
Lions signed Anquan's brother DJ Boldin.
Jim Rome was talking about comments Ebon Britton made after the draft like "Every team that passed on me will regret it for the rest of the history of their franchise" and "Let them [draft "experts"] line up against me; they'll be dead"
That's paraphrased, but dook's farging hilarious.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 26, 2009, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 26, 2009, 09:40:45 PM
The way these are weighted, basically any team below a B- has very depressed fans today.
Raiders: F
maybe raiders fans will do the world a favor and off themselves then.
Crabs response to being passed over:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/xn8a4n.gif)
I'd be happy, too, if I was going to be a millionaire and I didn't have to go to Oakland.
Yeah, before the draft he was doing an NFL.com chat and someone asked him about being drafted by the Raiders and he said "no comment". I loved the sigh of relief from him.
Now watch DHB be a bust and Crabtree be a stud right across the bay from Al and the Raiders
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2009, 07:46:41 PMNow watch DHB be a bust and Crabtree be a stud right across the bay from Al and the Raiders
The other way around would be humorous too. Raiders doing something completely retarded and it works out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2009, 01:15:03 PM
Remember Willie Williams, the hyped up LB that ran into trouble at Miami? He signed with the Packers.
The packers changed their minds and un-invited him.
I luv seeing the guy on the left wipe his forehead while he's laughing. Man, could the Raiders be any friggen' dumber?
There's been discussion that next year's draft will be the following:
Thursday night = round 1
Friday night = rounds 2 and 3
Saturday morning = rounds 4 through 7
yeah, keep messing around with it...
I would be all about that. But I think I'm in the minority.
As long as they started it early enough on that Thursday, that would be fine.
It would be 7:30 or 8 eastern like the NBA one. With the format they used the last two years, the first round was done in less than 3 and a half hours...
it was ruined last year when they took it off noon.....but this idea is a travesty
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 01:21:37 PM
it was ruined last year when they took it off noon.....but this idea is a travesty
Agreed, I love the fact that the draft is an all weekend event. It is a great excuse to nothing except sit around and drink.
not just the weekend but during the day...its spring time for god sakes...it used to be the ultimate weekend to get a keg open up all your windows cook out and watch the draft...all that isnt the same when it doesnt start at noon
I could almost deal with it starting on Friday night, but it still wouldn't be the same. After my performance this year though maybe change would be good.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 03:10:52 PM
not just the weekend but during the day...its spring time for god sakes...it used to be the ultimate weekend to get a keg open up all your windows cook out and watch the draft...all that isnt the same when it doesnt start at noon
"Oops, sorry, not gonna do any yard work today. Draft's on, you know how much I've been looking forward to this."
"It doesn't start until 7."
"DAMMIT!"
I'd rather be outside without a TV drinking during the day and inside with a TV drinking at night. This plan is the best plan ever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2009, 01:21:37 PM
it was ruined last year when they took it off noon.....but this idea is a travesty
farg yeah
4 o'clock start is the worst, I can't imagine the horror of thursday and friday night drafts. I like my draft to start around noon and be an all day event. It's the one day I don't feel guilty for not doing jack shtein.
Ah ha! We've gotten to the bottom of it. You should never EVER feel guilty about drinking all day for no reason and doing jack shtein. It's always an appropriate reaction to being awake.
What about feeling guilty for not doing shtein all weekend?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2009, 04:07:16 PM
Ah ha! We've gotten to the bottom of it. You should never EVER feel guilty about drinking all day for no reason and doing jack shtein. It's always an appropriate reaction to being awake.
what a way to ring in your 11000th post... congrats
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2009, 04:07:16 PM
Ah ha! We've gotten to the bottom of it. You should never EVER feel guilty about drinking all day for no reason and doing jack shtein. It's always an appropriate reaction to being awake.
rjs246 221d 6h 57m
Probably should have worded it differently but pretty sure you feel guilty about wasting so much time on ths board. (spending time on :CF = Jack shtein) Drinking is always a fun activity that should never involve guilt unless you just hit someone on your way home from the bar...and even then it's a case by case basis.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 28, 2009, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2009, 04:07:16 PM
Ah ha! We've gotten to the bottom of it. You should never EVER feel guilty about drinking all day for no reason and doing jack shtein. It's always an appropriate reaction to being awake.
what a way to ring in your 11000th post... congrats
It may be the 11,000th time rjs has hit 11,000 posts.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 28, 2009, 08:19:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2009, 04:07:16 PM
Ah ha! We've gotten to the bottom of it. You should never EVER feel guilty about drinking all day for no reason and doing jack shtein. It's always an appropriate reaction to being awake.
rjs246 221d 6h 57m
Probably should have worded it differently but pretty sure you feel guilty about wasting so much time on ths board. (spending time on :CF = Jack shtein) Drinking is always a fun activity that should never involve guilt unless you just hit someone on your way home from the bar...and even then it's a case by case basis.
Please don't ever compare this board to drinking ever again.
This board is the bane of my existence.
Beer is the apple of my eye.
And this is only the second time I've hit 11,000 posts, thank you very much. God I hate you all.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 28, 2009, 08:19:14 PMDrinking is always a fun activity that should never involve guilt unless you just hit someone on your way home from the bar...and even then it's a case by case basis.
i laughed
Yeah, me too.
i like it. the draft is boring and i laugh at the losers who spent hours and hours preparing for it when no one knows what the farg will happen. making it more like the nba draft is terrific. put in primetime so i can flip to it at random points and dont need to waste an entire saturday afternoon waiting around for st louis to draft some random tackle.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2009, 12:14:08 PM
There's been discussion that next year's draft will be the following:
Thursday night = round 1
Friday night = rounds 2 and 3
Saturday morning = rounds 4 through 7
yeah, keep messing around with it...
did the nfl clear this with the jews to make sure it wouldn't interfere with their schedule?