Random musings, yeah, whatever.
For the few of you who care, I'm going back to school and finishing. I decided I am going to major in Behavioral Sciences. Anyone else here major in that?
Anyone else farg around when/if they went to college, stop, then go back 10 years later?
What did you major/trade school in?
I've been going off and on for the last 10 years. I'm basically done with my first 2 years and need to decide on a major now. Still got about 7 years until I retire so as long as I finish up by then, I'm good.
Why Behavioral Science? Are you planning on actually working in that field or doing something where you'll have some practical use for the degree? Or just doing it for the sake of doing it?
Taking 17 years to finish a 4 year degree shows dedication.
Interesting you ask.
I actually plan on doing something for the greater good.
I plan on starting a program for the masses. Not some bullshtein 'read or die' program....but something people can take in and use it. It will be geared towards adults and their kids.
The roots of it all are from my own upbringing, what my parents did and didn't do, the years I wasted, and the options I could have had, the position I am in now or could have been in...and some other things related to reading comprehension, financial and other shtein people don't know about. My experience as a realtor and when dealing with the public and seeing how uninformed people are...its scary!
It's still in the beginning stages...but hopefully within the next year, I have a better outline for it. I'd start it up and hopefully find someway so that it maintains itself and helps the uninformed become informed and lead their own flocks in a better direction.
Something like that.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 11, 2008, 01:18:05 PM
Taking 17 years to finish a 4 year degree shows dedication.
It takes a while when you only take 1, sometimes 2 classes at a time. I also didn't take any classes when I was recruiting so that's 2.5 years that went completely to waste.
Quote from: hbionic on February 11, 2008, 01:18:54 PM
Interesting you ask.
I actually plan on doing something for the greater good.
I plan on starting a program for the masses. Not some bullshtein 'read or die' program....but something people can take in and use it. It will be geared towards adults and their kids.
The roots of it all are from my own upbringing, what my parents did and didn't do, the years I wasted, and the options I could have had, the position I am in now or could have been in...and some other things related to reading comprehension, financial and other shtein people don't know about. My experience as a realtor and when dealing with the public and seeing how uninformed people are...its scary!
It's still in the beginning stages...but hopefully within the next year, I have a better outline for it. I'd start it up and hopefully find someway so that it maintains itself and helps the uninformed become informed and lead their own flocks in a better direction.
Something like that.
You're starting a cult doofus. No degree required.
I started in a Masters track for Training and Development. It was pretty cool, but a lot of work. And one of my required courses was a bogus Public Administration course, and that pretty much discouraged me. I didn't do poorly in it...it just pissed me off about the purpose of my effort...so I just didn't sign up for the next semester. And that was 15 years ago.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 11, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
It takes a while when you only take 1, sometimes 2 classes at a time. I also didn't take any classes when I was recruiting so that's 2.5 years that went completely to waste.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm going to have to do. I need about 6 more classes as the JC level...then I can transfer.
I think.
It will be at least a year, year and a half before I can...but there's no way I had a head for school back then. I had my head up my ass. Now, it seems like there's no way I should be getting less than an 'A' average when I go back. Let's see if I'm right.
Quote from: hbionic on February 11, 2008, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 11, 2008, 01:20:25 PM
It takes a while when you only take 1, sometimes 2 classes at a time. I also didn't take any classes when I was recruiting so that's 2.5 years that went completely to waste.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm going to have to do. I need about 6 more classes as the JC level...then I can transfer.
I think.
It will be at least a year, year and a half before I can...but there's no way I had a head for school back then. I had my head up my ass. Now, it seems like there's no way I should be getting less than an 'A' average when I go back. Let's see if I'm right.
Same here. When I graduated hs (and I was a good/smart student) I was ready for a break and was more in need of some life experience than book smarts. I honestly think that had I gone directly onto college that I probably would have failed/dropped/kicked out freshman year. When I originally joined the Marine Corps, I signed up during the summer between my junior and senior year and originally wanted to join the reserves so that I could go to school. Was looking at a bunch of schools too.....Texas A&M, Michigan and Villanova being the top 3 schools on my list that I was accepted to. (I must have applied to at least a dozen schools. Got accepted to most but Yale didn't want me. bastiches).
Anywho, shortly after getting acceptance letters back, I decided I didn't want to go to college right away. So I called my recruiter and asked him to change me from reserves to active duty. The plan was to do 4 years, get out and go to college full time but things changed. Once I decided I was going to stay in until I retire, I didn't see a point in rushing to get the degree done. And when you don't have to balance a full course load along with work and a little bit of a social life, it's much easier to stay focused on your studies. I can't really remember the last time I got a B in anything.
Behavioral Science, eh? You just want to be like Jodie Foster and have people like Hannibal Lecter throw spunk in your face dontcha!
Good Luck, seriously.
mmmmm.....spunk! :drool
Thanks Phreak.
Sarge,
The way I was brought up, (no direction), I really didn't have life experience, which is important when making the decision on 'what you want to do when you grow up'.
Too many people choose 'business'. That's one of the most common things. Yes, its broad...but that's why so many people are 'stuck' at their 'jobs'. It sounds stupid, but how many people have a career doing what they love? Living a dream? Not the majority. I know having a degree, gets you the interview and a foot in the door for most jobs, but it's almost like choosing a major is like deciding to get married...at least that's what it feels like for me...I'm not going to choose for the sake of doing it. It's gotta be right.
Anyways, I did manage to get kicked out twice out of the local JC for farging around. Academic probation, twice. What a fargtard I was/am.
That's how I did it. Started college right after high school, and apparently wasn't mature enough to understand the importance of attending classes and taking tests. Failed out after my sophomore year. Joined the USAF. During the USAF, I finished my bachelors while taking 1 and 2 classes at a time at nights -- it's a hard way to go, and something I hope I can impart on my kids about doing it the easy way. It took my 12 years to get my 4 year degree.
After that, I continued my self-abuse by getting my MBA the same way -- one or two classes at a time. I went to class sometimes, and other times I did the class online. I thought it was better for me that way, because I hate sitting in a class with other "professionals" who loved nothing more than to prove how smart they were. My thinking was, if they were so smart, why are they in the same night school I'm in? Any way, finished my MBA in 3 years.
If you have the determination to make it through - go for it. And do it now before you and the SI start having kids -- it gets harder the more people you have depending on you.
Good luck. It's a fantastic goal, but it's not easy.
have the lambs stopped crying hb?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2008, 02:35:56 PM
have the lambs stopped crying hb?
;D<-------means I don't get it.
Good luck. I did the my undergrad the old-fashioned way-- I went straight out of college, had a good time, and wrapped it up in 4 years.
That said, I finished my MA while working full time...and that sucked. On the bright side, though, my employer picked up the tab, which made it suck way less. Make sure you check out whatever reimbursement options may be available to you.
The thing that made it suck the most was that after I wrapped up my 10+ hour workday, I headed to class to be with my classmates who were going to school full time, and slept until noon. They wanted class to go on forever and would keep asking retarded questions...and I wanted to go the farg home. If I'd had a kid at that point, there's no way I would have finished it, I don't think.
Quote from: hbionic on February 11, 2008, 12:59:55 PM
Random musings, yeah, whatever.
For the few of you who care, I'm going back to school and finishing. I decided I am going to major in Behavioral Sciences. Anyone else here major in that?
Anyone else farg around when/if they went to college, stop, then go back 10 years later?
What did you major/trade school in?
I did, back in school at age 32 (Penn State Abington), only 3 full time semesters from graduating. I took the general 'business' major because despite my age I still don't know what the farg I want to do. Thankfully I have a shteinload of connections so getting employment at a decent starting salary won't be a problem. Didn't read every post but what school are you attending?
The local University....
Cal-Poly Pomona (Gocong went to the other Cal-Poly).
But I first have to finish up some classes at the J.C. :-[
Good luck HB. I did full-time college and enjoyed it. I have been trying to earn designations ever since that time. It is much harder when you are working full time and have a family. I agree with Zanshin that it is nice to have an employer pay for the classes and books.
Anyway, I can't quite figure out what you are hoping to do. A guidance counselor or a career counselor?
I've been going on and off for a while. Unfortunatly all my credits from military get me close to a degree in an aircraft related field and I work in IT. It doesn't seem to matter what your degree is in around here though so I figure I'll sporadically finish it off over the next bunch of years. I have to convince my company to pay for it which has been difficult because I don't work on aircraft anymore.
I don't want to start over with IT when I'm closer on the other. I'd like to say the degree you have matters but I have a boss with a degree in chem and another with a degree in finance stock broker stuff. They have Mizzou on their resume which seems to matter more around here then what the degree is actually in.
Quote from: Phanatic on February 12, 2008, 09:21:20 AM
I've been going on and off for a while. Unfortunatly all my credits from military get me close to a degree in an aircraft related field and I work in IT. It doesn't seem to matter what your degree is in around here though so I figure I'll sporadically finish it off over the next bunch of years. I have to convince my company to pay for it which has been difficult because I don't work on aircraft anymore.
I don't want to start over with IT when I'm closer on the other. I'd like to say the degree you have matters but I have a boss with a degree in chem and another with a degree in finance stock broker stuff. They have Mizzou on their resume which seems to matter more around here then what the degree is actually in.
Not that I have a lot of experience in the civilian sector, but everything I've ever been told (by civilian friends and family) is that unless you're talking about highly technical job fields, the type of degree doesn't always matter, just the fact that you've got one is what employers are mostly concerned with.
My sister graduated college with a degree in elementary ed and planned on being a teacher. She then spent the next 10 years working in IT and had nothing more than basic user knowledge of computers when she started. I think that would affect salary, at least starting out though. Perhaps if my sister had formal computer/network training under her belt she would have made more money. Not that it matters now since she finally got into teaching.
Quote from: Philly Crew on February 12, 2008, 08:44:25 AM
Anyway, I can't quite figure out what you are hoping to do. A guidance counselor or a career counselor?
Actually, it would probably be a separate corporation, or something like that, that would be there for the public. I'm sure that there are things similar to that out there...but it just hits on deficiencies of the school system at the same time helping people understand the system here in the U. S.
When it comes to the lower class, there are certain consistencies that perpetuate that cycle. It feeds upon itself. I feel we are under-informed when it comes to basics.
1. Reading comprehension- the main reason kids perform so badly is their reading comprehension is low. This is life's basic rule, the more you read, the quicker and easier you understand what is going on in the world. For students, school becomes that much easier.
2. Planning- The school system does not teach people how to 'plan'. Whether its writing a business plan, or s simple plan on how to reach your goals. Yet, if they even spent one month teaching this to people, I feel society improves as a whole. Immediately.
3. Goal setting- Seems like this is shtein for those motivational speakers, or some bullshtein real estate coaching seminar. 'How can you ever get anywhere if you don't know where you are going?' So god damn true!
4. Life is out to farg you! There's a reason why the wealthy stay wealthy. If you compare perspectives from a kid coming from a lower class family and someone coming from a wealthy family, usually you'll find the bar set much higher i the kid from the wealthy family. A rich kid can expect his first car to be a BMW, Mercedez, Lexus....a kid from a lower class family may be hoping one day he can save a thousand bucks to buy a used car. I'm using this as an example of the difference between raising the bar as a whole. The responsibility falls on parents and care givers. Not saying that lower class parents aren't hard working or great role models...but when you're at the bottom, it's hard to get out of it when there is a foot pressing against your throat holding you down. That foot is the sheep mentality, people just 'go with the flow'...parents rely on the school system to get their kids into a better position, but the school system is not set up for that. You have to know how to take advantage of it and rise up.
I think, from my own experience that we feel we have time to waste. There's always tomorrow. Sadly, tomorrow's doors are shutting permanently for those that haven't found their path yet. Maybe I'm just a pessimist in this view, but there are just too many people in zesty situations for not knowing any better or for not being taught better.
You can tell this is a work in progress...but...something to that effect. What's cool about the Behavioral Sciences major is that its a split between Psychology and Sociology. Not only can that be applied towards this particular project I have in mind...but I can apply this to sales as well. :deion
I'm still in the 'outline' stage of all of this.
Sounds noble but it sounds like the people who will need it most won't have the money to pay you/the corporation. Give it a shot since entrepreneurs are the lifeblood of our economy.
It will be no charge to begin with...I got to figure out the money thing...but since this would be a personal project for me. Maybe there are grants or funding or philantropists or foundations and what not. I haven't looked into that yet.
Advertising. When they turn their lives around and have money they'll be loyal to your endorsements...
Half kidding... but half not bad...
1st day of school yesterday.
Walked in and say the old class set up.....6 rows of about 7 desk/chair combos......whiteboard in front of the class room, over head projector, feminist teacher at her desk.
farg, I can't believe I'm actually doing this.
Thursday class is English, Composition and Critical Thinking.
There's a wide variety of people. A couple of cute blonde 20 year olds...some old fargs, some douche bags and a nun that looks like a guy...I swear she had a mustache...farging ugly!
Seems like there will be alot of writing...and reading...and analyzing...and writing. Seems ok though. Once a week for 3 hours a night. Not bad.
WTF kind of school are you going to that requires lots of reading, writing, analyzing, and reading?
And they want you to do all of that in ENGLISH??
farging liberals.....
SRSYL
i'm taking a creative writing class at night we all had to write these short 2 page plays that other people would act out in front of class. this middle eastern dude picks me as one of his actors and we couldn't read these before we read them aloud. well, apparently my role was a homophobic, gay-slur throwing, old guy from the south. it was very uncomfortable. and now this gay woman in my class hates both him and me. like i had any idea i was about to offend anyone when i got up there. i guess that's kind of funny.
actually, that's kind of awesome...
and who gives a farg about some slit lover who you'll never see again, farg her
phatty, you taking that class just for kicks or are you plan on doing something with that?
Quote from: SunMo on February 22, 2008, 02:39:02 PM
actually, that's kind of awesome...
and who gives a farg about some slit lover who you'll never see again, farg her
i'll be seeing her in class for the next 5 more weeks but yes, i really don't care. everyone else in class realizes that it's a fiction writing class. she's ugly anyway.
Quote from: hbionic on February 22, 2008, 02:40:05 PM
phatty, you taking that class just for kicks or are you plan on doing something with that?
just for kicks. i write all the time for work but it's technical shtein so i needed some other outlet to write about my crazy, farged up thoughts.
Update for those of you who don't care (all of you).
Ok....last week we had an exam in History Class and the first essay due in English class. One result is in.
History class:
90% (A-) on the exam. Professor used some chicks short answer form as an example to the class of what he expects on the short answer form and my essay on what he expects on the essay part of the exams. I R Super Star! :=)
I'm hesitant about English....Definitely a C in that essay...longshot of an A, probably a B though...but I'm holding out hope....we'll see. I haven't written in years...I know I'm going to get shredded. :-\
Quote from: hbionic on March 25, 2008, 01:29:48 PM
Definitely a C in that essay...longshot of an A, probably a B though...but I'm holding out hope. I know I'm going to get shredded.
By the end of the semester, Chuggie is going to be picking your posts apart.
if he learns anything he'll continue to ignore them
Ok...got the results for my essay in my English class.....
95% A.
Boo-Ya!!
Coincidentally enough, she asked if she could take a photocopy of my paper to use for future classes. Weird. Twice in the same week something similar.
This is definitely giving me momentum and inspiration.
Sweet.
Good job bionic! :yay :=)
That's just teacherspeak for "lets do it on my desk."
Quote from: Diomedes on March 25, 2008, 07:10:27 PM
if he learns anything he'll continue to ignore them
Holy shtein, Dio. This is funny as farg.
PS: Good job, Chuggie.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on March 28, 2008, 07:35:29 AM
That's just teacherspeak for "lets do it on my desk."
You know, she's gotten hotter as the weeks have gone by. >:D
Thanks Rome! :yay
1st Semester Update-
English 103- Composition and Critical Thinking- 92% (A)
History 108- United States History from Reconstruction Era to Present- (pending)
...up next Fall- Statistics, Biology...and a creative writing class. Should be fun. :=)
So, history is pending, but how do you think you're doing?
History geek.
History is never pending. History is, well, history.
History is at best a secondary subject..basically useless unless you can think critically on your own. Math, Language, Music, and Science are all far more important.
Congrats, Chuggsalot. But you left out the blowing guys in the bathroom grade.
History was my favorite subject in college and high school. Math and I go together like lamb and tuna fish. Hate it!
Quote from: Diomedes on June 13, 2008, 07:08:46 PM
History is at best a secondary subject..basically useless unless you can think critically on your own. Math, Language, Music, and Science are all far more important.
History is the subject that puts the other subjects in perspective. Without the knowledge of what has and hasn't worked in the past, there is no foundation on which to ply the other subjects.
"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
No one learns from history.
We repeat the same shtein over and over again and not because we don't know history...because we can't think straight.
Quote from: Diomedes on June 13, 2008, 08:05:35 PM
No one learns from history.
We repeat the same shtein over and over again and not because we don't know history...because we can't think straight.
Pretty much. We just keep inventing new ways of making the same mistakes over and over.
I had aced the first two exams...but I got too busy and arrogant to study for the final....I think I mediocre'd that one.
I think or hope that I end up with a B....but its possible because of 'points' and his lofty expectations that I may even be dragged down a bit....but as far as I'm concerned...I was getting an A going into the final...we'll see.
Quote from: Diomedes on June 13, 2008, 07:08:46 PM
History is at best a secondary subject..basically useless unless you can think critically on your own. Math, Language, Music, and Science are all far more important.
Actually....I think Literature and art should be thrown up there as far as 'important'. They usually are telling of the general feeling and happening of the particular epoch in which they are created.
It's easy to not even think about it because we don't make calculations, crunch numbers, physically build something, profit, nor does it serve any kind of function purpose in our daily lives or jobs....but it is History, along with literature and art that combined can help us see where we have been as a society and can help us analyze where we are presently and where our current paths lead.
Christ. See what happens when a Mexican gets an education? Gets all upity and shtein on you.
ARRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!
I farged up.
I guess in English class...she hadn't finished completing the grading....so....when I calculated my grade...it was 845 points out of 920...but I guess the total points were 1000. :( So I guess its a B.
I got a B in History class as well.
So...for my first semester back after 8 years, I got two B's.
My shortfall was my mis-management of time. If I shore that up...I'll nail the A each time.
At least I know what to work on and what to aim for next semester.
It's good to want the A I guess, but you didn't do badly at all
Buck up, fag camper
I'm not the type to brag but here are my grades from my first semester at PSU:
Semester: SPRING 2008 Campus: ABINGTON CAMPUS
Semester Standing: 06 College: ABINGTON COLLEGE
Major: BUSINESS
Course Title Credits Grade Grade Points
SCM 301 BUS LOG MGMT 3.0 A 12.00
FIN 301 CORPORATION FIN 3.0 A 12.00
MGMT 301 BASIC MGMT CONCEPT 3.0 A 12.00
HIST 001 WESTERN HERITAGE I 3.0 A 12.00
I'm taking summer classes (Marketing 301) and recently changed my major from Business to Corporate Communications. The Western Civ class was one of my all time favorite classes.
book lurnins fer guy who would probably show my wife a good times.
spelled buk wrong
Nice job SD :yay
How the farg did you find the time? You going full time?
Do you have kids? Married?
It was hard enough taking two classes, monday night and thursday night...and working....and I don't have kids or am married....
Jesus...I can only imagine. :o
i feel bad for people who have to do school work and get good grades. my entire future is predicated on getting lucky and luckily finding someone who takes a liking to my writing. it really doesnt matter if i suck, which i do, journalistic writing is so interchangable that its really just a complete crapshoot of finding a decent job and not getting fired.
What position are you shooting for? As long as you are some kind of journalist, you'll be satisfied?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 18, 2008, 10:32:13 PM
I'm not the type to brag but here are my grades from my first semester at PSU:
Semester: SPRING 2008 Campus: ABINGTON CAMPUS
Semester Standing: 06 College: ABINGTON COLLEGE
Major: BUSINESS
Course Title Credits Grade Grade Points
SCM 301 BUS LOG MGMT 3.0 A 12.00
FIN 301 CORPORATION FIN 3.0 A 12.00
MGMT 301 BASIC MGMT CONCEPT 3.0 A 12.00
HIST 001 WESTERN HERITAGE I 3.0 A 12.00
I'm taking summer classes (Marketing 301) and recently changed my major from Business to Corporate Communications. The Western Civ class was one of my all time favorite classes.
The business "junior core"?
Quote from: hbionic on June 18, 2008, 11:25:48 PM
Nice job SD :yay
How the farg did you find the time? You going full time?
Do you have kids? Married?
It was hard enough taking two classes, monday night and thursday night...and working....and I don't have kids or am married....
Jesus...I can only imagine. :o
I work part time, take care of my daughter and do my school work the rest of the time. My girl goes to work and pays a majority of the bills. So I lucked out there. I should graduate in 2009. Its sort of a dio situation but in reverse, she promises to support me through school while I promise to marry her...probably once I graduate although she wants to elope like yesterday.
I'll tell you what, I never want to go to school again. I have nightmares about homework and classes running late and the insufferable classmates...good luck to you both.
Thanks...it sure beats the hell out of being in the military.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 19, 2008, 06:59:03 AM
I work part time, take care of my daughter and do my school work the rest of the time. My girl goes to work and pays a majority of the bills.
:paranoid
Mental image of a 6 year old sitting in front of a computer paying the bills.
:-D
Quote from: hbionic on June 18, 2008, 11:34:43 PM
What position are you shooting for? As long as you are some kind of journalist, you'll be satisfied?
really whatever comes up. im gonna have to start looking in the winter, which just scares the living shtein out of me.
Quote from: MDS on June 19, 2008, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: hbionic on June 18, 2008, 11:34:43 PM
What position are you shooting for? As long as you are some kind of journalist, you'll be satisfied?
really whatever comes up. im gonna have to start looking in the winter, which just scares the living shtein out of me.
Just get your foot in the door and go from there. Accept that you'll be doing shteinwork for a few years and go from there. I considered pursuing your field 5 years ago and its tough. I actually had a hookup and an internship set up with the Flyers but had to put it off because the early out I requested with the Navy didnt' go through.
oh ive got my foot in the door already, i know ill be in good position to at least have something. but its the notion of being an adult who works all the time and pays bills and such that scares me. where the hell did my childhood go?
don't worry, it's not gone forever...just read the :CF archives when you get wistful
I need to go back, i just have no desire for the bullshtein of school added to the current load of work bullshtein
If you go to school every day for the next year, you can get to #2 on the mensa list.
one of the coworkers here is 32 and he just finished the last class he needed for his associates (not even bachelor's) degree that he started 14 years ago.
Math 101
"It's Herbie Hancock"
He's well ahead of me.
I'm 31 and not yet finished with my associates. :paranoid
Sad thing is, if I would have finished my classes and not dropped and or got F's in them....I would have been able to transfer now...my transcript is a joke...half of going back is taking the classes I need and the other half is mopping up the mess and re-taking alot of the classes I laid a big turd on.
anyone have experience with getting farged over on a grade? My IST professor (same dickhead I complained about) gave me a B when I deserved an A. He posted grades Wednesday night, Thursday morning I asked for an explanation and he said he doesn't discuss grades over the internet and that I had to talk to him face to face. His only hours were 11-12 yesterday which I couldn't make. As of today he's off until mid-August.
Light his office on fire.
He's on summer vacation starting today, any other suggestions?
I don't see why one thing precludes the other.
Find the dean of the school and talk to them about it.
he just emailed me back so put the gasoline away
Go to the department chairperson. I took a small business management course in college and the instructor (not even a real professor, just some corksucker they hired) gave me a zesty final grade. The guy was a total dick about it, so I said, fine, then went immediately to the department chairman, explained my side of the story and it then went to what they refer to as arbitration (meaning the chairman and the professor review my complaint).
I didn't get the grade I expected (B+) but it went from a C to a B. Good enough - just never wanted any C's on my transcript.
nm
since you have his email address you should totally sign him up for a bunch of porn sites.
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
Go to the department chairperson. I took a small business management course in college and the instructor (not even a real professor, just some corksucker they hired) gave me a zesty final grade. The guy was a total dick about it, so I said, fine, then went immediately to the department chairman, explained my side of the story and it then went to what they refer to as arbitration (meaning the chairman and the professor review my complaint).
I didn't get the grade I expected (B+) but it went from a C to a B. Good enough - just never wanted any C's on my transcript.
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Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
Go to the department chairperson. I took a small business management course in college and the instructor (not even a real professor, just some corksucker they hired) gave me a zesty final grade. The guy was a total dick about it, so I said, fine, then went immediately to the department chairman, explained my side of the story and it then went to what they refer to as arbitration (meaning the chairman and the professor review my complaint).
I didn't get the grade I expected (B+) but it went from a C to a B. Good enough - just never wanted any C's on my transcript.
I was pissed because I thought he was telling me to farg off by not responding to my email. He agreed to see me next week which was all I wanted.
Light his face on fire.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 08, 2009, 01:59:29 PM
Light his face on fire.
If he smokes, do it "Better Off Dead" style
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 08, 2009, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
Go to the department chairperson. I took a small business management course in college and the instructor (not even a real professor, just some corksucker they hired) gave me a zesty final grade. The guy was a total dick about it, so I said, fine, then went immediately to the department chairman, explained my side of the story and it then went to what they refer to as arbitration (meaning the chairman and the professor review my complaint).
I didn't get the grade I expected (B+) but it went from a C to a B. Good enough - just never wanted any C's on my transcript.
I was pissed because I thought he was telling me to farg off by not responding to my email. He agreed to see me next week which was all I wanted.
It's the same shtein everywhere. One of my classmates got a B in the Fall Semester from a spiteful adjunct lecturer. Based on the contents of the syllabus, he earned an A-. She knocked him down based on him disrespecting her in class one night - making snide comments, basically, but one "Enough already!" outburst. He decided it wasn't important enough for him to do anything about it.
1. Make sure he's not farging you on purpose before you get angry or even whiny. He could have made an honest mistake, but these academian types will turn on you if they perceive disrespect. Start by simply asking if he intended to give you the B.
2. If he did intend to give it to you, stay calm, ask to review the coursework you did. Make sure you (lie your face off) and tell him that the grade is not important, but you want to see what valuable lessons you obviously did not learn as well as you'd thought.
3. If that meeting does not improve your grade, choose from any of the other fine options presented.
I had a professor in college give me a C because he thought he caught me cheating on the final. I wasn't cheating, I was just bored and looking around but that's neither here nor there. I did nothing about it and my life turned out fine. Just get drunk and make plans to impregnate his daughter in the butt and face in rapid succession.
I had a teacher who failed me in Spanish 3 in HS, i broke her window
Quote from: rjs246 on May 08, 2009, 02:58:52 PMJust get drunk and make plans to impregnate his daughter in the butt and face in rapid succession.
You need a strong core for that. SD, make sure you take a Pilates class first before attempting this...and try not to get a C.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 08, 2009, 02:58:52 PM
I had a professor in college give me a C because he thought he caught me cheating on the final. I wasn't cheating, I was just bored and looking around but that's neither here nor there. I did nothing about it and my life turned out fine. Just get drunk and make plans to impregnate his daughter in the butt and face in rapid succession.
The problem is that you look like a guy who would cheat. He had no reason to trust you, shadyface.
Those points, while valid, do nothing to encourage SD to go on an ass to mouth rampage. Try to stay focused on the task at hand here.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 08, 2009, 02:58:52 PM
I had a professor in college give me a C because he thought he caught me cheating on the final. I wasn't cheating, I was just bored and looking around but that's neither here nor there. I did nothing about it and my life turned out fine. Just get drunk and make plans to impregnate his daughter in the butt and face in rapid succession.
This goes without saying but SD's situation is a bit different than yours. He's an adult who's trying to get the best grades he can to be able to compete in a job world that isn't exactly filled to the brim with opportunities for 30 year-olds just starting out. Plus I'm pretty sure he doesn't have Mimsy & Father paying his way through school like you did, Richie Rich.
And before you say it, yeah, I'm still hurt by your "Chuck" comments, so farg off.
No, his situation is exactly identical to the situation I was in 11 years ago and you'll never convince me otherwise.
On the plus side, I think you are the first person to ever refer to me as rich, which is something.
I thought everyone here was rich.
Except FastFreddie, of course. And IGY.
Vengeful ass to mouth rampage, SD.
If he's willing....
I have to maintain a 3.0 GPA or higher to get hired at the position in the Gov't I'm shooting for. While my GPA is around 3.5 at this point I could probably get all C's and still maintain an average above 3.0.
I guess it's just the principle of the situation that pisses me off. This course sucked (FF and Ed helped me out at times). We had to do a 10 page lab report every 2 weeks, as well as a 5-6 page assignment in between. He docks you a half a grade if you miss more than 2 classes (1 hour class twice a week). We started with 28 students as well as an extra 6 that were on 'stand by', we wound up with 14 that actually finished the class. I just feel like the effort warranted a better grade, plus I didn't do so hot last semester (2 C's 2 B's) after making the Dean's list twice in a row.
I'll stop being a whiney bitch now
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 08, 2009, 04:17:35 PM
FF and Ed helped me out at times
If I recall correctly, I read your question and responded with a "I have no idea, man. Sorry." I'm sure Ed did all your homework for you, though. That's the kind of guy he is.
Sounds like you're dealing with a power-hungry nerd....and that's the worst. I thought about teaching at the college level full time...right up until I taught a few courses. Teaching the classes is great, but the people you have to work with are largely socially inept and hiding out from the real world; worse, they've chose a career where they think they can dictate respect. The in-fighting is insane. Some professors are just awful.
Take credit when it's thrown your way.
To be honest our final group project I had no clue where to start. Ed pointed me to someone on the EMB and she basically did the leg work for me, I just had to put it into my own words.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 08, 2009, 04:22:59 PM
Take credit when it's thrown your way.
That is a good guideline, but there are exceptions. For instance, "credit" on :CF does not have any cash value (or value of any other kind, now that I think of it).
so...who wants to take my astronomy final for me on tuesday?
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 08, 2009, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 08, 2009, 04:22:59 PM
Take credit when it's thrown your way.
That is a good guideline, but there are exceptions. For instance, "credit" on the EMB does not have any cash value (or value of any other kind, now that I think of it).
Tom Heckert begs to differ with you.
Heh. I'm glad to see that your wits have not completely left you.
General Biology- A
Micro-Economics- (I should get a C...I refused to do any homework or read in that class...I lost interest completely and was unmotivated). I'll know thursday.
You all were waiting because you care.
Quote from: hbionic on June 09, 2009, 06:47:12 PM
General Biology- A
Micro-Economics- (I should get a C...I refused to do any homework or read in that class...I lost interest completely and was unmotivated). I'll know thursday.
You all were waiting because you care.
You sound like one of my 8th graders.
Good choice. Economics is such a worthless subject.
lol....it actually was interesting enough for me to learn quite a few things...but I just didn't care too much...and of course my dumbass is going to pay for it.
If you manage to make it through college learning your social security number and not having a major drug habit you've succeeded.
chuggie is mehican. he doesn't even know what a ssn is, let alone have one.....at least not one of his very own.
shtein, the mexicans I know each have several
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 10, 2009, 12:51:55 PM
Quotei mean its the best job ive ever had...but i wouldnt say its fun...i have never once in seven years woke up and didnt wanna go to work...cant really ask for much more than that in a job...
benefits are insane....i am currently trying to figure how to take seven days of use or lose before the end of the year and i have another 240 hrs of leave on top of that....i get every other monday off and four day weekends every holiday that falls on a mon or fri....and the pay is insane for the low amount of work and more importantly the completely stress free job
i tell everyone this do everything and anything you can to get a govt job...hell ive told sd at a few tailgates
i would love to one time try some real chicken fried steak...ive had it before but i feel like ive never had the real thing
Damn...i'm jealous. I wish I would have known about that before taking this gig down here. The pay is great but time off is hard to come by. And its stressful trying to hit numbers every month in this economy.
I will reply more but something is wrong with this website/computer. You seeing it too? It says simple machines at the tiop of the page and when I type I can't read anything...hopefully this comes through....
I'm a little embarrassed to report that I have started the process of studying for the LSATs with the single-minded purpose of working for the government. This plan dictates that I am going to spend well in excess of $100,000 and lose three+ years of gainful employment to earn less than I could in private practice but get lots of days off and benefits. Priorities.
I assume you've stockpiled booze in preparation. In storage somewhere, not your liver.
I keep trying to stockpile booze and the booze keeps sneaking into my face.
Further adding to my embarrassment, by the way, is the fact that the National Labor Relations Board is one of the places that I would love to work when I'm out. IGY and I will be work friends and shtein. I can't wait for the summer outings and office happy hours.
You two can PM here to make sure you don't wear the same polo shirts on Fridays.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 10, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
Further adding to my embarrassment, by the way, is the fact that the National Labor Relations Board is one of the places that I would love to work when I'm out. IGY and I will be work friends and shtein. I can't wait for the summer outings and office happy hours.
speaking of insane benefits
Quote from: rjs246 on July 10, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
Further adding to my embarrassment, by the way, is the fact that the National Labor Relations Board is one of the places that I would love to work when I'm out. IGY and I will be work friends and shtein. I can't wait for the summer outings and office happy hours.
Good luck with that, I'm gonna work for the VA. I filled out an application for some summer internship night job and they've called me twice since to offer me other positions. When all is said and done I'll be starting out as a GS 7 and working my way up from there. Most likely I'll be handling veteran's disability claims. yeah me.
What kind of a douchebag loser works for the government?
Losers.
there are a lot of earnest, hard working, intelligent people in government. it's popular to say otherwise, but it's true. if we didn't have smart people in government acting as foils to the all the goddamn idiots, you'd be amazed what kind of farg up we'd be looking at instead of this one.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 10, 2009, 10:40:34 PM
there are a lot of earnest, hard working, intelligent people in government. it's popular to say otherwise, but it's true. if we didn't have smart people in government acting as foils to the all the goddamn idiots, you'd be amazed what kind of farg up we'd be looking at instead of this one.
yep
idiot middle americans hear govt and think congress...so then all of a sudden every govt worker is just like the worst most corrupt member of congress thats ever lived
Rome works for the government, you guys suck at the sarcasm
sarcasm only works in that case if people actually know he works for the government...thats kind of how the whole sarcasm thing goes
either way everything i said still stands
To tell you the truth I'm not 100% sure he works for the Government...I just assumed.
i really wasnt even addressing what he said anyway...just what dio said...plus im gun shy when it comes to MA and their timothy mcviegh anti govt schtick
what kills me is the same people that rip the govt non stop want the military to expand to unheard of levels and blow up the whole world
I actually like my government job. Sure, it has its moments, but overall I'm very fortunate to have that paycheck coming in every other Wednesday especially considering I'm a real estate professional in the worst market since the depression.
But SD's right... you iceholes suck at sarcasm and will argue over anything.
I for one think rjs will make an excellent lawyer.
Mob lawyer?
zombie lawyer
Anti-Zombie lobbyist.
Legalize full auto.
Lawyering sounds even worse than what I currently do. I'd consider going back to school, but only for a full-bore, can't miss upgrade over what I'm now doing.
from the it's-good-to-be-the-king files and list of wealthy monarchs:
Quote...The list's youngest member and the only one from sub-Saharan Africa is 39-year-old King Mswati III of Swaziland, with a net worth of $200 million. Almost every year, he chooses a new bride from among 20,000 naked bare-breasted virgins
I want to go back to school and get a degree that qualifies me to be on the screening and validation committee that narrows it down to 20,000.
So I took the LSAT and got a well-above-average-but-not-elite score (88th percentile). I had been doing significantly better on my practice exams than I did on the actual test, so I'm a little disappointed. The score is a borderline score for programs ranked 20-30 in the country and more or less a lock for anything outside of the top-30. The score is good for five years, so now I have to decide what to do with myself:
1. Start applying to law schools as is.
2. Take a class, take the test again, try to get a higher score, expand my options.
3. Screw law school and find something else to go back to school for.
4. Keep my job. Keep making good money. Don't go to school. Don't accumulate ridiculous quantities of debt just so I can say I went to Law School. Stop worrying about whether my career is karmically satisfying.
5. Get drunk.
All of the above.
Seriously, though, the legal profession pays well enough...but I personally feel that the world has too many lawyers already.
My question is why didn't you take the test drunk?
At no point did I say I was sober during the test.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on July 06, 2010, 12:31:04 PM
All of the above.
Seriously, though, the legal profession pays well enough...but I personally feel that the world has too many lawyers already.
You sound like my pops. He can barely hide his disdain for this cockamamie plan of mine.
I'm not doing this for the money, which is what makes the decision difficult. I have no ambition to work for a corporate law office or chase ambulances and as such my earnings potential is limited before I even start the process.
Anyway, I agree that there are too many slimey
people in the world and that many of them become lawyers, but many of them become doctors or statisticians or serial rapists. Lawyers get a bad rap because the bad ones are pretty clearly on display and play roles in our society that straddle theline between moral and amoral.
If your intention is to be one of the non-slimey lawyers, more power to you. Most people here would probably agree that, if bets were taken, a lot of money would be put on you burning out and becoming the kind of bitter, evil little bastich nobody would ever want anything to do with. Like MDS, but with a useful diploma.
yeah out of the dozens of lawyers i know in dc, barely any of them feel good about themselves. the money lovers do but that's about it. i have a few ex-lawyers in my group who got out of it and just do pro bono work on the side to do some good. go back to school for something you like. the law is dumb anyway.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 06, 2010, 01:26:31 PM
Most people here would probably agree that, if bets were taken, a lot of money would be put on you burning out and becoming the kind of bitter, evil little bastich nobody would ever want anything to do with. Like MDS, but with a useful diploma.
No doubt, but hey, it's nice to have grand ideas about yourself even if they're bound to prove inaccruate in the long run.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 06, 2010, 01:32:15 PM
go back to school for something you like.
If I didn't think I'd like law school there's no chance I would even consider it. The last thing I want is to put myself through some bullshtein just for the hell of it.
you could always teach inner city kids like mds how to read and write. sure, it wouldn't be fulfilling in any way but it would allow you to torment them legally.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 06, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
If I didn't think I'd like law school there's no chance I would even consider it. The last thing I want is to put myself through some bullshtein just for the hell of it.
so you know people who liked law school? i know people who are glad they went but no one who has enjoyed it.
Everyone I've talked to has said that law school was a lot of work and a ton of reading and a lot of stress and I'm not sure any of them would say that they liked it. But that's what any going back to school experience would be like. What I'm talking about is being glad I went and being able to do something interesting with my career after.
i'm bored.
Then go to law school.
Go to journalism school.
i couldn't even find the time to take the GREs this summer for a program not nearly as hard as law school, so i think i'm probably done with school. i'm going to aim for spring semester but in my head i know it won't happen.
1. Start applying to law schools as is.
5. Get drunk.
You'll be a good lawyer.
Agreed, just don't ever skip step 5.
If you think you've forgotten anything, repeat step five.
what? whats that?
yes my cork is huge. thank you. i know.
Source?
Twitter.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 06, 2010, 11:53:53 AM
So I took the LSAT and got a well-above-average-but-not-elite score (88th percentile). I had been doing significantly better on my practice exams than I did on the actual test, so I'm a little disappointed. The score is a borderline score for programs ranked 20-30 in the country and more or less a lock for anything outside of the top-30. The score is good for five years, so now I have to decide what to do with myself:
1. Start applying to law schools as is.
2. Take a class, take the test again, try to get a higher score, expand my options.
3. Screw law school and find something else to go back to school for.
4. Keep my job. Keep making good money. Don't go to school. Don't accumulate ridiculous quantities of debt just so I can say I went to Law School. Stop worrying about whether my career is karmically satisfying.
5. Get drunk.
"Get" drunk? Am drunked bitch.
If you're like me being outside the 90th percentile burns just a little. If it's not too big a headache...take the LSAT again. Programs in the top 20-30 vs. those outside the top are comparable to earthquakes on the richter scale. A 7.0 on the Richter scale is 100 times stronger than a 6.0 so stop farging around because the connections you establish in the top 20 can take you farther than those below...unless you have checked the edcuation background of the higher ups where you want to work and see if it matters at all.
Nice job 88
Do NOT test again. Your score will gain you entry in many good law schools. Unless you need to rub elbows with grasping climbers and ambition drunk elitists, unless you positively must have a top school name on your resume because you're one of the grasping climbers, then opt out of that stupid farging rat race. Go to a good school with good teachers, learn the law, move on with your life.
I think Dio and I are saying the same think. Essentially.
Rubbing elbows and sniffing asses doesn't interest me. Expanding my educational and employment options does. So now I'm torn about which internet jackass to listen to.
Time for option 5.
Caught in a lie. Dammit.
I agree on not worrying too much about the school level. Unless you are going Ivy League, or something like that, nobody cares, as long as you get the sheepskin and you know your shtein.
I went to a state school and now I work for the county government.
Take the test again, jackass.
Haha. Word.
If you take the test again, they average the scores, or they take your best scores? The class costs how much? It takes how much time/puts you how much further away from matriculating at law school?
I went to a great private school, cost me a ton of money that I'm still paying off. One of the best decisions I ever made, no question. And now I work for myself digging ditches.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 06, 2010, 02:37:17 PM
If you take the test again, they average the scores, or they take your best scores? The class costs how much? It takes how much time/puts you how much further away from matriculating at law school?
There is no hard and fast rule about multiple exam scores, but usually they look at the average and the highest of the scores. Class costs are a few hundred bucks, not a deal breaker. I wouldn't be starting until next fall (2011) at the earliest no matter what. 2012 is more likely assuming he don't get devoured by locusts before the school year starts.
okay the, I stand pat, and I'm done with this stupid conversation:
1. Start applying to law schools as is.
5. Get drunk.
You'll be a good lawyer.
Scary good?
So scary. But yeah...I didn't mean to repeat that part. Copy and paste FTL.
So I graduate December 17th with distinctions. I know you're all proud of me. If you want to send me a graduation present hit me up with a pm and I'll send you my address. I accept checks.
Do you accept nude photos of various CF members?
We will both have only undergraduate degrees for one day. I get my Masters on December 18. I'd like to send you a check for $3.50, because I'm such a nice guy.
Thumbs up all around
I skipped class tonight too
I haven't had class since September. Filling up my free time becoming a degenerate gambler.
Congrats to both of you.
good job slackers.
I've been thinking of going back too.
Graduated today.
Philly's D.A. Seth Williams was our keynote speaker. He was inspirational.
http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/index.html
(http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/imgs/img_newDayNewDA.jpg)
Congrats man
Yeah man. The world needs more Penn Staters.
Congrats, SD. What's next?
Thanks yo
The lady speaking for the Penn State alumni society said there are currently 517,000 PSU alumnus
Quote from: Zanshin on December 17, 2010, 03:56:03 PM
Congrats, SD. What's next?
Might work for the VA or the DOD, we'll see. More than one person has told me to wait until Jan. 1st to apply for a federal job because that's when the best ones become available. I have a couple of other options too. I'd really like to be employed full time by February.
But out of curiousity do you know of any job openings and do you have any recommendations for our field of work? I'm not 100% sure I want to do CC. If this were 10 years ago and I didn't have a daughter I'd go full boar into sports talk radio but that field takes far too long to get started.
Plus, I think it's full "bore".
He's not a machinist.
Quote from: SD on December 17, 2010, 04:00:21 PMI'd really like to be employed full time by February.
you and at least 12 million other Americans
Congrats SD. :yay
Quote from: Diomedes on December 17, 2010, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: SD on December 17, 2010, 04:00:21 PMI'd really like to be employed full time by February.
you and at least 12 million other Americans
I have reasonable expectations and aren't collecting unemployment.
Quote from: SD on December 17, 2010, 09:52:35 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 17, 2010, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: SD on December 17, 2010, 04:00:21 PMI'd really like to be employed full time by February.
you and at least 12 million other Americans
I have reasonable expectations and aren't collecting unemployment.
Hopefully you am collecting some grammar lessons.
Quote from: SD on December 17, 2010, 09:52:35 PMI have reasonable expectations and aren't collecting unemployment.
what does this mean?
i can has cheezburgers?
I was drunk and had a todd moment
your b.a.c. had to be like .3 to .4 for that to happen.
You call that drunk I call it my average Friday night
in all seriousness, congrats on getting your degree. it's inspiring when an old guy like you finally finishes school.
:yay
Thanks yo
FF gets his masters today. CF taken it to the next level. REPRESENT.
raleigh durham polytechnic gives out masters degrees?
awesome.
Masters in typewriter maintenance from the Rocko Clubbo school for women
I'm getting my Masters down in DC... i only moved down here so I would get to brush shoulders with IGY at Rhino bar.
Finished my semester on Friday, I now officially have 214 college credits. :-D and still have 39 to go.
Physics kicked my ass this semester.
Kudos fellas. You are my men who make me cross the street and check for my wallet.
So my employer asked me to go back and get my CPA and I'm about half-way through the Certificate program and now they say they don't want to pay for classes right now because the economy stinks. I think I might just take a break and get some other self-study designations and wait for them to pay again. If I was eager to leave my employer I might just pay for it or use my Guard educational benefits, but I just might wait. Also, there is an assistant Deputy Commissioner job that will be opening that would not require a CPA and I think might be a good fit.
Congratulations to others on their bachelors and masters.
I managed to get my grade point average up to 3.01
Also...I think I'm going to go into Astro Physics. Which means I have to start taking calculus and physics classes. Before I can take pre-calculus, I have to take Plane Trigonometry.
These next few 10 years should be fun.
Quote from: hbionic on January 03, 2011, 08:34:41 PM
I managed to get my grade point average up to 3.01
Also...I think I'm going to go into Astro Physics. Which means I have to start taking calculus and physics classes. Before I can take pre-calculus, I have to take Plane Trigonometry.
These next few 10 years should be fun.
I got a B in Physics this semester, I was never more excited for a B in my life.
How was it? What should I expect?
Well if you are rusty on your math I suggest brushing up on that. I worked my ass off and went to a lot of tutoring. I hadn't had any sort of math in over 7 years which definitely hurt me. The best piece of advice I can give is just don't get discouraged and put in the work. I have Physics II this semester which supposedly is a little easier than the Physics 1 that I just took.
I hate math and don't envy either of you.
I'm looking forward to it. Math is one subject that without practice, you are screwed...but the physics...it interests me to kick ass in it to get me to the next level.
One way or another...I'm going into low earth orbit before I die. This might be the way.
DMF, I just finished statistics...so actual arithmetic...I am really, really, rusty on. I'll take your advice and practice. I don't know what to expect with Plane Trigonometry. Death?
I haven't had trig in over 12 years, it is definitely needed for physics and it was something that gave me difficulty.
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/rbfnotes/trig/ptrig/trig.html
Study that. Plane trig that is absolutely retarded, I'm pretty sure there's no easy way around it. Table of integrals = shoot yourself. Math sucks.
farg. Apparently I also need another math class before I can take the physics class. Jesus....why was I such a farg up in school when I was young.
Quote from: hbionic on January 04, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
farg. Apparently I also need another math class before I can take the physics class. Jesus....why was I such a farg up in school when I was young.
I doubt it was that bad. I bet your beaner ass got an A in wood shop.
This is meant as both a racial stereotype and gay pun.
Raised my GPA to 3.10 by busting a 3.66 this semester
A in Nutrition for fitness (I would laugh, but this was almost like taking a masters program, 1 research paper, 3 other papers, a group presentation, a website, and 3 exams) farg this course.
A in World Religions- Recommend that class to anyone
B in Trigonometry. I did pretty much no homework, slacked off and managed to get a B in this course. What an interesting farging class it was...I have much respect to Math dorks...they make this shtein look easy...but with a little work...it wasn't too bad.
Highlights:
-Due to my participation and though provoking questioning in the Religions class...I was nominated by the professor and received an award as 1 of 100 students out of the whole student population to be nominated for an award in a specific category. Mine was for philosophy. It was a nice surprise
-Got enough credits for my A.S. Degree (15 years in the making)
Next stop, pre-calculus and physics (hopefully)
*U.ALL.CARE*
Well done.
Nice. I expect you to drop trig knowledge on us now whenever possible. Which is hopefully never. Then again, I didn't think we'd talk about Dickens, Steinbeck, Dos Passos and Hemmingway in The Wire thread, so anything is possible.
I have all but abandoned my plans to go to law school unless I get laid-off. Giving up a good salary for three years to go into a profession that is in shambles and make less money than I'm currently making is a difficult pill to swallow. More difficult to swallow is the fact that I didn't come up with an idea of what I wanted to do with my life until I had a mortgage and responsibilities. Lame.
Edit: I forgot to mention the other thing that's keeping me from going to law school. Every single lawyer that I'm friends/acquaintances with told me not to do it. They said it was miserable and that they more or less hate their jobs. Of course, I was planning to go into the public sector and they're all corporate whores of one kind or another, but still... pretty damning testimony.
And good for you, hb. Keep at it.
Damn straight, good job.
I have much respect for someone who manages to go to college in their 30's. I couldn't. I take 30 hours every two years and did another 90 hours for a redundant Florida certification and the 90 nearly wasted me.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 22, 2011, 08:59:41 AM
I have all but abandoned my plans to go to law school unless I get laid-off. Giving up a good salary for three years to go into a profession that is in shambles and make less money than I'm currently making is a difficult pill to swallow. More difficult to swallow is the fact that I didn't come up with an idea of what I wanted to do with my life until I had a mortgage and responsibilities. Lame.
Edit: I forgot to mention the other thing that's keeping me from going to law school. Every single lawyer that I'm friends/acquaintances with told me not to do it. They said it was miserable and that they more or less hate their jobs. Of course, I was planning to go into the public sector and they're all corporate whores of one kind or another, but still... pretty damning testimony.
And good for you, hb. Keep at it.
Haha, I can identify with this on all fronts. I have many friends who are doctors who have told me the same thing about medical school. They want their kids to be anything but doctors. Amazingly, the people who seem to enjoy their lives the most are the electricians, plumbers, demo guys I know.
the summer after graduating college, i met a girl who was enjoying her last free summer before 1st year law school. we ended up dating for about 3 years - the 1st summer was awesome, but she progressively became a more difficult person to be around as she got deeper into being a student. analysis and arguments about everything, but worst was that she was a different person after 3 years of school than she was beforehand..i broke up with her an hour after her graduation.
Yeah but I'm already an argumentative prick, so I doubt that law school could have made me less bearable to be around.
i had that exact thought as i was writing that actually..
here's another one though - i played ball at school with a kid who ended up going to a pretty good law school after graduation (he graduated with honors from rutgers; pretty smart kid). he finished in the top 20% of his law class, got a nice job with a local firm, then got fired due to cuts, and 6 months later still can not find a job practicing. he's now looking for paralegal jobs, while still having a 250K loan to pay back..
Oh yeah, the entire field is a mess. There aren't enough jobs for the laid-off lawyers to get work let alone the new lawyers coming out of school. It's a farging catastrophe right now.
Maybe they can collectively sue the world.
Quote from: Zanshin on June 22, 2011, 09:09:57 AM
Haha, I can identify with this on all fronts. I have many friends who are doctors who have told me the same thing about medical school. They want their kids to be anything but doctors. Amazingly, the people who seem to enjoy their lives the most are the electricians, plumbers, demo guys I know.
Weird. A few months ago, I was notarizing documents for a Physicist that works at Cal-Tech, I asked him about what school he went to and his experiences and all he could do is act like if he could do it over, he'd do something else. Funny you mention plumbers though Z, no one grows up to want to be a plumber...but I know a few plumbers who bring in about $30k-$40k monthly.
Not too farging shabby.
Quote from: Zanshin on June 22, 2011, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 22, 2011, 08:59:41 AM
I have all but abandoned my plans to go to law school unless I get laid-off. Giving up a good salary for three years to go into a profession that is in shambles and make less money than I'm currently making is a difficult pill to swallow. More difficult to swallow is the fact that I didn't come up with an idea of what I wanted to do with my life until I had a mortgage and responsibilities. Lame.
Edit: I forgot to mention the other thing that's keeping me from going to law school. Every single lawyer that I'm friends/acquaintances with told me not to do it. They said it was miserable and that they more or less hate their jobs. Of course, I was planning to go into the public sector and they're all corporate whores of one kind or another, but still... pretty damning testimony.
And good for you, hb. Keep at it.
Haha, I can identify with this on all fronts. I have many friends who are doctors who have told me the same thing about medical school. They want their kids to be anything but doctors. Amazingly, the people who seem to enjoy their lives the most are the electricians, plumbers, demo guys I know.
Blowing shtein up would be badass cool. If I ever go back to "school"
, it's going to be for pyrotechnics, or to be a scuba instructor...something that I didn't make me hate getting up in the morning
I want to get back in school and I've been thinking a lot lately about what it is I'd actually like to study. I've done logistics for the last 11 years and it's a great job field in the civilian world with a lot of really good paying jobs and I can step right into and start out making something comparable to what I make now. At the same time though, I think civilian logistics will be a lot more boring than on the military side and I could see myself getting burned out pretty quick. I really have no desire to work in the corporate world behind a desk or in a cubicle cell. So that mostly leaves me with trade schools. I've really been thinking about some sort of small engine mechanics trade school so I can work on motorcycles, jet skis and lawn mowers. I'm not mechanically inclined, but not because I lack the ability or mentality to work on on engines, I've just never done it. Are the trade schools worth the price of admission or would I be just as well off to make friends with a couple of serious gearheads and let them teach me for free on the weekends?
I've also thought about being a locksmith but really have no clue how to get into that. Is there even a school for that or is it just something people sort of "fall" into? I've got a life long friend who owns a locksmith business and he's told me a million times that I've got a job whenever I want, but he lives in Jersey and I really don't want to move there.
I moved recently so I had to switch colleges...so I'm looked at as a new student...so my registration was two weeks after the start...of course...almost all classes were filled, but the one I needed, Pre-Calculus, had two slots open.
farg, tried to take another one just to fill up some units, and everything had waiting lists on it that were filling up or closed.
Well, Physics and Calculus will have to wait until next semester. Pre-Calculus, what should I be expecting? A blend between Trig and Calculus? Anyone?
*Sarge, did you sign up for anything?
I took pre-calc when I was in high school and didn't have a problem with it, so it's not that difficult (although I obviously couldn't do any of it now). It's pretty much algebra on steroids mixed with trig, if you've got the basic algebra down it shouldn't be too hard. Trigonometry sucks ass and all the rules that a stupid fargin shape like a triangle has are ridiculous, but I think it was pretty easy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precalculus
Sine me up? :boom
Quote from: hbionic on August 09, 2011, 12:25:11 PM
*Sarge, did you sign up for anything?
No, not yet. Summers are no good for me since I have my kids and I didn't want to sign up for anything in the fall since I'm moving. I'm hoping that I can maybe sign up for something starting in Jan and go through the spring, then take a break during the summer again and pick up in the fall. Problem is that I still really don't know what direction I want to go in and I've decided that I'm not going to go simply for the sake of going. So I guess I need to make up my mind. One thing I am fairly certain of though is that I don't think I have an interest in pursuing a bachelors degree. The trade route is something I think I'd enjoy a lot more than anything else. Maybe I'll be a ditch digger. I've got plenty of experience digging fighting holes from the 6 years I spent as a grunt. I probably possess the skills of an advanced ditch digger. Maybe even a master digger. Then I could be Dio's boss. We shall see....
Don't go into something for the sake of a job. Take some time and see what you would enjoy or if you have been inspired to pursue something. Then move forward...otherwise...you're just getting a job and wasting your life....like most people.
So this is similar to the MIT online program except it's classes in real time by real professors...some even send you an official certificate of completion. Anyway, there are some very cool classes here...one of my buddies just finished the Gamification class by some UPenn professor and said it was great.
https://www.coursera.org/
I signed up for one or two coming up.
Funny that you brought this thread up because I was listening to news radio today and they were talking about college education, the high cost and the % of people who incur massive amounts of debt but don't even finish their degree. They mentioned the MIT thing and were talking about how college-level course work is starting to pop up online and that we may start seeing a shift from traditional 4 yr colleges to these unacredited online options that are either free or a fraction of the cost, even compared to other online programs like UoP. The problem obviously is getting employers to lower their demand for accredited degrees and start accepting the certificates you get from just doing the online course work.
The one site the guy brought up was www.udacity.com. Seems to be mostly techie related stuff but apparently they are getting some tech companies to take them seriously enough to actually hire people who are doing their education through them. Courses are free and at the end of your studies you have the option to certify your skills (for a fee) and they send your resume to their partner companies.
Not sure how legit this specific site is, but I like the premise of it....free education and pay at the end if you want a professional skill certification. It'll probably be decades before that concept takes root in the non-tech world (if it ever takes root at all) but I think the concept is great.
I would have saved around $20-25k if that had been available twelve years ago.
Officially declared History and Political Science minors today. Yay me.
Congrats.
Quote from: Munson on March 11, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
Officially declared History and Political Science minors today. Yay me.
Good luck.
The good news is, so many of the classes line up with each other that it doesn't add any extra time, since I'm taking classes this summer and next. Of the 12 classes needed total for both minors, I already had to take 4 of them for my degree, and then 2 others count towards both.
Other than just being subjects of interest to me, the history minor should give me some content knowledge I've long since forgotten so I can make sure I pass the SS Praxis II, and the PoliSci minor will leave me with only 15 classes left to take if I wanted to go back and get a 2nd degree in Government and Public Policy, which I am strongly considering after I start teaching.
Do return for the second degree. Then after that, you'll need to get a Masters I'm sure. But whatever. None of that will hurt you, and you'll likely get tuition reimbursment/loan forgiveness.
Keep up the good work.
Good job Munson. Keep it up, dude.
Thank you guys
Quote from: Diomedes on March 12, 2013, 06:28:44 AM
Do return for the second degree. Then after that, you'll need to get a Masters I'm sure. But whatever. None of that will hurt you, and you'll likely get tuition reimbursment/loan forgiveness.
I do think teachers get some form of debt forgiveness, but even if I don't, if all goes to plan I should be graduating with only 16K or so in debt.
The fact that I'll probably have to get my Masters to keep teaching might be the only thing that prevents me from getting the Gov&PP degree. But I'd really like to get involved in local politics so, we'll see what happens.
It strikes me as idiotic to skip the second bachelors when you have so little coursework to do in order to get it, even if you are required to go on for the Master. Just do the extra couple semesters and when all is said and done, you'll be the guy with two BAs and an MA, which will make you more likely to land the teaching job you want than if you had just the standard one and one.
And then if you ever tire of teaching (or just want to do something else), you'll have a lot more options with that extra degree that you're better off doing now in one swoop. You go teaching for awhile and then want more, you're going to have to go back to school anyways, and nobody wants to do that shtein when they're in their 30's or older. 99% of my field are Master's and Ph.D's - Masters are somewhat limited in the field, and eventually a lot of them want more but have to get PhD to do so. I've seen this firsthand more times than I can count, they're in their mid 30's and even 40's, and all of them face some life crisis whether or not it's worth it for them to go back to school full-time in their situation; family, kids, age, whatever. If you're not binded down by anything, do it now before you are.
True enough. I know teaching would take up too much time for me to go full time, so it would still probably take 2 years or so of part time classes to get the degree done, but it's still something I really want to do. I just know a lot of districts these days want you to get your masters. Maybe having a 2nd degree will suffice, even if it won't get me the pay raise
https://teamtreehouse.com/
Anyone ever heard of this? I'm looking at various online options to learn about techie/networking/web shtein and this one was kind of intriguing. Seems like a good place for beginners to start. Thoughts?
If anyone else feels semi-dumb for not really understanding all of the ins and outs of the Healthcare debate, Prof. Emanuel from Penn (Rahm's bro) just started a 6 week course on Coursera that explains it in detail. In its second week but there is still time to get full credit if you start soon. Pretty good so far and not a whole lot of effort needed if it interests you.