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Quote from: King Cole on January 14, 2007, 03:00:22 AM
The Eagles have a lot of work to do.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2007, 12:40:36 PM

Re-sign Juqua Thomas

Quote from: rjs246 on January 14, 2007, 12:48:26 PM
They had one of those in Keyonta. They have no interest in that kind of player. Dumbasses.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2007, 01:13:14 PM
But I wonder if it has anything to do with not wanting to give up the 3rd round pick?

god i hope youre wrong

but if you arent then the front office should be arrested

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2007, 01:13:14 PM
But I wonder if it has anything to do with not wanting to give up the 3rd round pick?

god i hope youre wrong

but if you arent then the front office should be arrested

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2007, 02:33:55 PM
Supposedly it automatically becomes a 4th if he gets to free agency, re-signed or not

what do you mean...i thought its a 4th right now no matter what happens....and if they resign him its a 3rd

is there more to it than that?

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 14, 2007, 03:39:38 PM
GET LANCE BRIGGS

Quote from: Magical_Retard on January 14, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
what about june? i don't care if we have to overpay for some LBs that might not be even amazing but we need an upgrade....someone. im sick of having a bad offense when our D was good and now having a mediocre D when our offense is pretty good.

Quote from: King Cole on January 14, 2007, 06:23:02 PM
Thomas is a stud. I would love him, but the Eagles will probably feed us the Gocong is the next Merriman propaganda.

Quote"It'd make a nice off-season to know this is where I'm going to be, but I understand how the Eagles operate. You're not always trying to get the most, but you're trying to get a fair deal. I think that's what most football players want, in a league where you aren't guaranteed anything. You just want a fair deal. Maybe I'm not happy with it, maybe they're not happy with it, but let's just meet in the middle somewhere. That's all I'm really asking for."

Quote"I see myself as a starter. This organization sees me as a starter. Fortunately, we have two corners in Lito and Sheldon. If other teams see me as a starter, I'll have to weigh my options. I would like to be here. I started my career here. I think this is a great team, great organization. I'm going to pray about it and let God handle it."

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 14, 2007, 10:01:11 PM
-- Hood likes it here but thinks he can be a starter (and get starter money) somewhere else.

Quote"I see myself as a starter. This organization sees me as a starter. Fortunately, we have two corners in Lito and Sheldon. If other teams see me as a starter, I'll have to weigh my options. I would like to be here. I started my career here. I think this is a great team, great organization. I'm going to pray about it and let God handle it."

Quote from: hunt on January 15, 2007, 09:37:58 AM
if detmer is on next year's roster, i'll kill sombody.....dead.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2007, 11:37:01 AM
Oh wait, they did that already and he couldnt' crack the starting lineup

he couldnt crack the field

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2007, 11:45:12 AM
man the eagles should thank god andrews turned out to be a player...and they deservingly get credit for him...but outside of the big kid and the sprinkling in of reggie brown lj smith and another guy or two their last four drafts have been a travesty

Quote from: EagleFeva on January 15, 2007, 12:45:53 PM
It's farging sad that after spending our last 2 first rounders at DT... the Eagles still get gashed in the run game as much as they do.  It's not that surprising when you think about it though... because as more and more of Ray Rhodes' defense left, the worse the Eagles became against the run.

Either way... they need to address DT again... early in the draft, if not in FA. 

They CAN'T be satisfied with what they got from the DT's this year, especially Walker (outside of maybe 3 games) and Rayburn.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 15, 2007, 02:56:37 PM
Considine is more of a FS than SS.  Move Dawk over, he's better against the run, Considine will not be as exposed if he's at FS.  He needs to bulk up.  I can understand him overcoming the shoulder injury/surgery but he needs to get some extra weight to his frame. 

Quote from: EagleFeva on January 15, 2007, 12:45:53 PM
It's farging sad that after spending our last 2 first rounders at DT... the Eagles still get gashed in the run game as much as they do.  It's not that surprising when you think about it though... because as more and more of Ray Rhodes' defense left, the worse the Eagles became against the run.

Either way... they need to address DT again... early in the draft, if not in FA. 

They CAN'T be satisfied with what they got from the DT's this year, especially Walker (outside of maybe 3 games) and Rayburn.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2007, 03:31:36 PM
considine was drafted to be a special teamer...the only reason hes in the lineup is because of lewis' zestyness...much like gaither is only playing because of mccoy sucking so bad

QuoteOmar Gaither
Height: 6-1
Weight: 233
40 Speed: 4.82*
Position: Outside Linebacker
College: Tennessee
Final Grade: G 5.7


GM JR Scouting LLC  Grading Scale/Key  



SUMMARY
Gaither was an interesting player to grade because he is shorter than ideal, lacks good measureables and is not explosive, but because of his smarts, instincts, quickness and competitiveness, he is consistently around the ball and makes a lot more tackles than you expect. In time he will bulk up a little bit (10 pounds) and will only be lacking in height and will be able to play strong at the point of attack more consistently, even when his technique is not ideal. He will need to learn to use his hands better vs. blockers -- to slow their ability to lock up on him and to shed faster once they get ahold of him. His smarts, instincts and quickness will help him be a good coverage linebacker in the NFL -- especially in zone and man-to-man coverage on short, quick-hitting routes. Overall, Gaither will develop into the same type of starting linebacker in the NFL that he was at Tennessee -- solid, but not explosive. He will not only become a solid and consistent linebacker, but he can be a consistent contributor on special teams.

CRITICAL FACTORS
Athletic Ability Initial Quickness Play Strength Competes Play Speed Instincts
6.0 6.0 5.5 6.0 5.5 6.0



STRONG POINTS
Gaither is a good athlete who plays quicker and faster because of his consistent ability to read the play fast. He gets moving at the snap quickly -- whether dropping off ball into zone coverage or rushing the quarterback (not explosive, but quick). He moves well through traffic and his instincts and quickness help him chase down plays in backside pursuit. He covers tight ends/running backs well in man-to-man coverage on short/medium routes and does a good job getting out to the flat and making the tackle right after the catch. He is very good at staying under control and adjusting to tackle well out in space.



WEAKNESSES
Gaither is slightly undersized for a linebacker and, if a blocker can lock up on him, he struggles to shed and make the play. When he takes on blocks up high, he cannot hold ground and gets driven backward and eliminated from the play. While he has quick feet and plays faster than his 40 time chasing after the ball in pursuit, he lacks the explosive closing burst to catch fast players from behind and is not an explosive pass rusher. Despite doing a good job of covering tight ends/running backs on short/medium routes, he will struggle to cover them deep down the seam and lacks the burst to catch up if he loses a step.



POSITIONAL FACTORS
Grade Category Comments/Description
6.0 Read & React He consistently reads and reacts quickly to the play. Good instincts help him get started to the ball fast.
6.0 Initial Quickness His quick feet and instincts help him consistently get started fast at the snap.
5.5 Play Strength He can be strong at the point of attack vs. blockers and as a tackler when he bends his knees and takes on the play with leverage.
6.0 Tackling He consistently does a good job of staying over his feet and under control, which let him adjust to tackle well in space.
5.0 Shed Blocker Once a blocker locks up on Gaither, his lack of bulk/size really hinders his ability to shed quickly.
5.5 Run at Him He sniffs out the run well, avoids blockers well and can make good tackles on runs at him.
6.0 Pursuit/Range His instincts help him consistently read and react quickly to chase down plays in backside pursuit.
5.0 Closing Burst While he lacks an explosive closing burst to the ball, he does close quick enough to finish plays when he gets close.
6.0 Zone Coverage He drops very smoothly in zone, reads and reacts quickly to quarterback/passes, breaks on the ball and makes tackle after catch.
5.5 M/M Coverage He does a good job covering tight ends/running backs in man coverage, but does not show closing burst to break up passes.
6.0 Pass Rush Ability He lacks explosion off the ball, but has good quickness as a blitzer, can outrun offensive tackle around the corner and pressures quarterback.
6.0 Errors Gaither does not make mental errors. His not making plays is due to physical limitations.



ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.0
Gaither is a good athlete who plays faster than his 40 time, which helped him be consistently productive despite being undersized. He has decent foot quickness and actually looks and plays quicker because of his good instincts. He consistently reads and reacts to the play very quickly. He has the flexibility to bend his knees and sink his hips to tackle with good leverage and this combines with his agility to let him consistently adjust and tackle well out in space. His quick read and react helps him accelerate to full speed quickly so he can chase plays down from sideline to sideline. His quick feet also show up in his ability to get moving quickly at the snap when he rushes the passer. He has the athleticism and speed to cover tight ends/running backs on short/medium routes well, but lacks the explosive closing burst to make plays on the ball to break up passes.

Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination
6.0 6.0 6.0 6.5 6.5



COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0
Gaither is a tough linebacker who consistently plays through pain and does not hesitate to throw his body around with reckless abandon to slow up plays and make tackles. He is consistently productive on defense whether it is a normal defensive play or an important one. In the graded games, he was definitely productive being involved in one play out of every 7.3 snaps, which is very good. He has good instincts and is consistently around the ball. He moves through traffic smooth and easy, runs hard to the ball and tackles well out in space. He consistently does a very good job of shooting out to the flat to pick up the running back on dump-off passes and makes tackles right after the catch. More than anything, his ability to stay over his feet and under control help him consistently adjust and tackle well out in space. He can even slow up and adjust to the quick cutback. He needs to do a better job of using his hands to take on and shed blocks quicker because right now, once a blocker gets ahold of him, he is usually eliminated from the play. He is a competitive team player who consistently hustles and chases hard after the ball fron snap to whistle and is willing to throw his body into the path of blockers to slow up the play so his teammates can make the play.

Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit
6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0



MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 6.0
He is a smart football player and it shows with his good tackling technique, consistently good zone drops and by always carrying out his assignment. His instincts are good and they combine with his foot quickness to let him consistently react quickly to the play. His ability to maintain his focus/concentration is what enables him to be consistently productive despite being undersized and not shedding blocks consistently well.

Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration
6.0 6.0 6.0



STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 5.0
Gaither is definitely shorter and lighter than ideal for an outside linebacker, but at slightly over 6-1 and 230 pounds, he is not tiny for an undersized linebacker. He has basically been a durable linebacker at Tennessee, but his lack of bulk/strength and struggles to consistently shed could be a concern in the NFL. He is not an explosive linebacker. He lacks the explosive closing burst in pursuit and does not explode up and make violent tackles/hits. When he stays low and uses his hands aggressively vs. blockers, he has enough strength to play strong at the point of attack and to be a strong tackler vs. big ball carriers, but when he gets up high and lets blockers get into his body, he can be driven out of the play too easily.

Body Type Durability Explosion Play Strength
5.0 5.0 5.0 5.5

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 15, 2007, 11:29:18 PM
oh yeah...Mahe comes back too

Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 16, 2007, 06:52:29 AM
I wonder how much better our special teams could be if we didn't carry 10 (?) lineman everygame.

Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 15, 2007, 03:07:54 PM
Lewis isn't going to be back.  He's piss poor in coverage.  His ability to stop the run wouldnt' be a big deal if the front seven didn't blow so bad.

Quote from: hunt on January 16, 2007, 08:34:56 AM

Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 16, 2007, 06:52:29 AM
I wonder how much better our special teams could be if we didn't carry 10 (?) lineman everygame.

so you don't like the eagles starting every drive at their own 20 while the opposition starts at the 35?

Quote from: cj2112 on January 16, 2007, 04:58:51 PM
I really have no idea how Bloom can be counted on for jack.  The guy hasn't played in a long time; he's never played pro ball; and who knows if he can even make the team.  Mahe blows but at least he's got a tad of experience.

Quote from: Eaglez on January 16, 2007, 07:09:37 PM
Is there any chance that the Skins let TJ Duckett go considering they have Betts and still have Portis (for now)?

I'd like to see him in Philly. He's the 'big back' everyone would be clamoring for and can pick up tough yards behind that line. Garcia will be back -- he just doesn't want to move. Everyone wants Stallworth back. If those are taken care of I like the prospects of the offense next year.

The D does have the potential to be a disaster. That, more than anything, needs to be the focal point of the offseason. Hopefully getting some competent defensive players will bolster the special teams as well.

Quote
Will Bloom Spark Return Game?
January 16, 2007
By SHANE EVANS

When he was drafted, Jeremy Bloom hadn't played football in two years. He concentrated on skiing in college after he wasn't allowed to continue with his football career, because of the money he made skiing, a ruling that Bloom fought diligently to overturn.

Since being selected in the fifth round of last year's draft, Bloom has been forced to take another year off from football because of a lingering hamstring problem that landed him a spot on the Injured Reserve list August 29.

This time, however, Bloom wasn't totally dejected at the idea of being away from the game that he loves because of how much he can gain while recovers.

"There's a positive side and then there's a negative side," said Bloom. "The upside for me is a little more for me than the average football player coming in and being on IR their first year. I've been away from the game for two years and it's been such an advantage to me to be able to break down film, study guys I respect, run routes, focus on the playbook and do all the things that I couldn't necessarily focus all my attention on if I were playing this year. For me, there is definitely a huge upside."

When Bloom was on the field at the University of Colorado, he was an explosive wide receiver and kick returner who had five plays of 75 yards or longer in his two-year career (two receptions, two punt returns and one kick return). Bloom was drafted primarily to help in the return game, where the Eagles have not had a kickoff return for a touchdown since 2001 and a punt return for a score since 2003.

Bloom was able to make the delegation to the Injured Reserve list into something extremely positive because of how much he can do to get his body into true football shape before he next season.

The physical transition for Bloom from skiing to football was a huge one. He had to get the proper muscles working again at their maximum ability. As difficult as the physical transition was, the mental aspect of the game was definitely more resonant. Bloom hadn't played in an organized game of football since he was a sophomore in college. As this season concluded, Bloom felt almost completely comfortable with this complex variation of the West Coast offense.

"As far as my position, I feel like I have grasped the playbook about 99.9% just with regards to my responsibility," said Bloom. "Now, I need to translate that understanding to the field against a defensive back, with all the live bullets coming right at me."

Bloom kept optimistic during the entire season, despite not being able to play. He credited that to just having a good outlook on life and his acuity towards how he will grow in the long run.

"I believe life is perception," said Bloom. "That's how I approach everything. I've not felt sorry for myself for not being out there, but just trying to take advantage of everything that I can do while not playing."

It will only be a few months before Bloom can see if his year in training pays off.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 08:42:57 AM
from the FWIW department....

apparently patterson is even worse than we all thought

baldinger was on wip saying how he studied the film from saturday and jahri evans absolutelty ate pattersons lunch saturday....jahri evans i think most of us remember was the kid from bloomsburg 4th round rookie this year...he also said that as bad as darwin walker is and as much criticism as he takes hes still a better player than patterson and has been all year

patterson baldinger says simply cant play

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 10:54:09 AM
my question is why is he raving about feely and he did the same with garcia at that press conference.....but is using as you say 'catch phrases' when it comes to stallworth....talking about his injury how the team is fine when hes in there and fine when he isnt...

Quote from: Andy Reid Jan 07, 2007
Opening Comments: ...Guys hung in there and it was good to see David (Akers) get the winning kick there at the end. He was sure poise and did a nice job with it.

On the impact of bringing in Koy Detmer: "It's tough on all three of those guys. Jon (Dorenbos) is new with us and David (Akers) has kind of been the cog in there. He has been there a while, but the other guys worked it out and Koy (Detmer) did a nice job. That is the reason we brought him here, he's got great hands."

On the performance of quarterback Jeff Garcia: "He did a good job. He was off by a hair on a couple throws but he'll make those. That's going to happen. Give credit to them. They did a nice job on a couple of long balls, defended them.

On how Brian Westbrook was able to go around and through the Giants defense: "He did a nice job. He was very patient. He let things develop in front of him and hit it. We always talk about 'it's not speed to the hole, its speed through the hole' and he's developed a good feel for that over the years and you saw it today."

On whether he thinks the team is playing better now than when they played the Saints earlier in the season: "We were playing pretty good at that time. They did a heck of a job against us. They beat us. They did a real nice job against us."

Quote from: Andy Reid Sep 14, 2005
Opening remarks: "We look forward to the opportunity of playing the San Francisco 49ers. The players today were able to see just what kind of football team they are and how much they have improved. They have really done a nice job. [Head] coach [Mike] Nolan has done a heck of a job with that football team. They played their hearts out against the Rams and I know they will do the same when they come in here. Our football team will be prepared for that and ready to go."

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 08:42:57 AM
from the FWIW department....

apparently patterson is even worse than we all thought

baldinger was on wip saying how he studied the film from saturday and jahri evans absolutelty ate pattersons lunch saturday....jahri evans i think most of us remember was the kid from bloomsburg 4th round rookie this year...he also said that as bad as darwin walker is and as much criticism as he takes hes still a better player than patterson and has been all year

patterson baldinger says simply cant play

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 17, 2007, 11:19:35 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 08:42:57 AM
from the FWIW department....

apparently patterson is even worse than we all thought

baldinger was on wip saying how he studied the film from saturday and jahri evans absolutelty ate pattersons lunch saturday....jahri evans i think most of us remember was the kid from bloomsburg 4th round rookie this year...he also said that as bad as darwin walker is and as much criticism as he takes hes still a better player than patterson and has been all year

patterson baldinger says simply cant play

I don't blame Patterson and Walker as much as  I blame JJ for making them play 90% of the defensive snaps. I want a run stuffer at DT (you know, a guy like Hollis Thomas) for 1st and 2nd down, then they can rotate a guy like Patterson into the mix.

Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 17, 2007, 11:59:25 AM
Patterson didn't wow with his playmaking, but was average-to-solid at best.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 17, 2007, 11:50:23 AM
I disagree, he definitely played better in the beginning of the season when JJ was using a lot of rotations.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 12:21:07 PM
If you're that concerned about the difference between 'nice job' and 'heck of a job', you're in for a long offseason

im not concerned at all with that...and i blame myself for even responding to what you posted...im not trying to get into spin...i posted reids comments on stallworth and i believe they are clear as day...but if you choose to believe it was just coach speak and that stallworth is coming back thats your perogotive

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
go with avant and baskett at the wr psoition

Quote from: Cerevant on January 17, 2007, 12:31:58 PM
The only reason the Stallworth issue is still in doubt is because of the conditions of the trade - we all know how greedy the Eagles are with their Draft picks, and if they think they can sign Stallworth after FA starts, then why would they waste the pick?

QuoteMcNabb to break silence on Friday
By GEOFF MOSHER, The News Journal

Posted Wednesday, January 17, 2007 at 11:28 am

Donovan McNabb injured his knee Nov. 19. It's not clear if he will be healthy in time for the 2007 season opener.

News Journal file/GINGER WALL
PHILADELPHIA — Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb is scheduled to speak to the media at noon Friday, breaking his self-imposed silence since tearing up his right knee in a Nov. 19 game against Tennessee.

McNabb was placed on injured reserve and backup Jeff Garcia went 6-1 during the regular season, including a six-game win streak that propelled the Eagles to the NFC East title and No. 3 seed in the playoffs.

In his final press conference of the season Monday, Eagles coach Andy Reid said it's still too early to predict whether McNabb will be ready for the 2007 season opener.

Most anterior cruciate ligament tears require eight to 12 months of rehabiliation after surgery. McNabb underwent surgery in November in Birmingham, Ala. and has been rehabbing in Philadelphia since early December.

While Garcia rallied the team, McNabb purposely stayed behind the scenes to avoid causing any distractions.

Before he injured his knee, McNabb had thrown for 2,647 yards in 10 starts to go along with 18 touchdowns and six interceptions. His 57 percent completion percentage was the second worst of his career and worst as a full-time starter

QuoteWhile Garcia rallied the team, McNabb purposely stayed behind the scenes to avoid causing any distractions.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 12:47:54 PM
but they technically wouldnt be losing a draft pick per se if they didnt sign him...they already lost a pick by trading for him...if they sign him they lose a three rather than a four...

i guess no one really knows what they are thinking...but if they are seriously against signing him over 32 spots in the draft then they should all be in front of the firing squad

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 12:57:53 PM
and when his mother said that she hoped the eagles didnt win

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 08:42:57 AM
from the FWIW department....

apparently patterson is even worse than we all thought

baldinger was on wip saying how he studied the film from saturday and jahri evans absolutelty ate pattersons lunch saturday....jahri evans i think most of us remember was the kid from bloomsburg 4th round rookie this year...he also said that as bad as darwin walker is and as much criticism as he takes hes still a better player than patterson and has been all year

patterson baldinger says simply cant play

Quote from: King Cole on January 17, 2007, 05:26:52 PM
Or they sign a big DT to fill that void. It might actually be to our advantage that there isn't a big name out there, because we could fill that void on the cheap.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2007, 02:17:26 PM
or act like you care when you lose...mcnabb loses the superbowl and all he says is how they cant wait to get back at next year...garcia loses a divisional round and is crying his eyes out in the locker room saying how this is gonna eat at him for a long long time

it all goes back to mcnabb wanting to win but not caring if he loses...and when he does lose him and his family get the added bonus of seeing the eagle fans who they cant stand lose as well

Quote from: Eaglez on January 16, 2007, 07:09:37 PM
Is there any chance that the Skins let TJ Duckett go considering they have Betts and still have Portis (for now)?

I'd like to see him in Philly. He's the 'big back' everyone would be clamoring for and can pick up tough yards behind that line. Garcia will be back -- he just doesn't want to move. Everyone wants Stallworth back. If those are taken care of I like the prospects of the offense next year.

The D does have the potential to be a disaster. That, more than anything, needs to be the focal point of the offseason. Hopefully getting some competent defensive players will bolster the special teams as well.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
I'd rather have Ryan Moats than TJ Duckett to be honest.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2007, 05:52:30 PM

Quote from: Eaglez on January 16, 2007, 07:09:37 PM
Is there any chance that the Skins let TJ Duckett go considering they have Betts and still have Portis (for now)?

I'd like to see him in Philly. He's the 'big back' everyone would be clamoring for and can pick up tough yards behind that line. Garcia will be back -- he just doesn't want to move. Everyone wants Stallworth back. If those are taken care of I like the prospects of the offense next year.

The D does have the potential to be a disaster. That, more than anything, needs to be the focal point of the offseason. Hopefully getting some competent defensive players will bolster the special teams as well.

Duckett is a small back hiding in a big backs body. He tip toes too much and doesn't run with authority. That's why ATL ended up souring on him. He's kind of like Ron Dayne in the sense that they are both bigger guys who were tried out in short yardage roles and failed miserably.

I'd rather have Ryan Moats than TJ Duckett to be honest.

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2007, 05:53:34 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
I'd rather have Ryan Moats than TJ Duckett to be honest.

That's utterly stupid.  Stop it.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2007, 05:56:35 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2007, 05:53:34 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
I'd rather have Ryan Moats than TJ Duckett to be honest.

That's utterly stupid.  Stop it.

No, I'm serious. Duckett is trash. He was trash in ATL and I didn't want him when the masses were clamoring for him when it became obvious his time in ATL was up. He's a steaming pile of crap.

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2007, 06:00:17 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2007, 05:56:35 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2007, 05:53:34 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
I'd rather have Ryan Moats than TJ Duckett to be honest.

That's utterly stupid.  Stop it.

No, I'm serious. Duckett is trash. He was trash in ATL and I didn't want him when the masses were clamoring for him when it became obvious his time in ATL was up. He's a steaming pile of crap.

If Duckett is trash, then Moats is the half-digested feces of the goat that ate the trash.

Quote from: MDS on January 17, 2007, 08:22:14 PM
Westbrook
Duckett
Buckhalter

Good enough. Money, outside of Stallworth, should be spent revamping the defense. Which sucks.

Quote from: Northern Eagle on January 17, 2007, 09:04:45 PM
Instead of Duckett.. I want Michael Turner. He's a FA this year isn't he? He would be the PERFECT compliment to BWEST and he can also get the tough yards.

QuoteMichael Turner, RFA, San Diego Chargers
Turner takes a beating and keeps going. Turner isn't well known to the general public, but the kid has talent. He gets a handful of carries behind Ladainian Tomlinson and has maximized those carries, averaging six yards per carry in his short career. He carried just 80 times this season, but it was a career high for Turner, and he was still able to crack the 500 yard-mark with a pair of touchdowns. With his strong running style and production in San Diego this season, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see Turner sign elsewhere—but the Chargers may look to keep their dangerous rushing combo together.

Quote from: King Cole on January 17, 2007, 11:11:16 PM
I don't get the obsession with Michael Turner. Sure he is a nice player, but people are willing to give up draft picks for him, on a team that doesn't like to run the ball, and for a guy who would be second fiddle to Westbrook. Almost every offseason resource we have needs to be spent on fixing the defense.

Quote from: King Cole on January 17, 2007, 11:11:16 PM
I don't get the obsession with Michael Turner. Sure he is a nice player, but people are willing to give up draft picks for him, on a team that doesn't like to run the ball, and for a guy who would be second fiddle to Westbrook. Almost every offseason resource we have needs to be spent on fixing the defense.

Quote from: rjs246 on January 17, 2007, 11:25:24 PM

Quote from: King Cole on January 17, 2007, 11:11:16 PM
I don't get the obsession with Michael Turner. Sure he is a nice player, but people are willing to give up draft picks for him, on a team that doesn't like to run the ball, and for a guy who would be second fiddle to Westbrook. Almost every offseason resource we have needs to be spent on fixing the defense.

While I agree about the defense, bringing Michael Turner in would give me a rager the likes of which have not been seen since Briana Loves Jenna.

Quote from: Philly_Crew on January 18, 2007, 07:49:55 AM
Although Duckett has the size, he has never really been the most effective short yardage back.  Almost like Ron Dayne, he is slow to the hole. 

Quote from: SunMo on January 18, 2007, 10:14:00 AM
how is that not fireable on it's own

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 10:17:59 AM
i made a post on the board a while back that i dont feel like looking for about how unbelievably awful the defensive drafts have been since 02 (lito sheldon lewis)...its mind boggling how inept theyve been and its all catching up to them now

the defense is minimum three years away from being saved and its gonna get worse before it gets better

Quote from: SunMo on January 18, 2007, 10:01:18 AM
Paul Domowich had a super stat last night on DNL...of the 16 picks the Eagles had from the '03 and '04 drafts, 3 players are still on the team. 

that's neat.

Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 17, 2007, 05:56:20 PM
Whats the deal with Ryan Moats anyway?  Is he even going to be back next season?

Quote
I'm just going to keep working. Work hard. Work harder. Get ready for training camp and mini-camps and just get ready for a battle.

I already know what I need to do. I haven't played that much, but I've taken that time to study and get ready. Every step of the way this whole year, there hasn't been too much time to sit around and not really do anything.

One of the people who has helped me the most is Coach Shuey. He basically figured out the way that I learn and tried to implement different teaching methods to teach me how to sustain the playbook and hold onto it in my mind and if I get to that point, I can just play football to my natural ability.

It's more of a visual thing when I learn. It's hard when you're not in there getting the visual. When you're looking at it on paper, it doesn't look the same in front of you. That's basically what I started doing with this scout-team stuff. That gave me the look I needed. I see what happens, that's what happens. We use that and sometimes visually through your mind out there on the field you can see it and store it.

I don't think my lack of playing time had anything to do with my knowledge of the playbook. I'm pretty good with it. I know everything in it now. I think I did well with the small playing time I had in the beginning of the year. That Jets game to end the preseason was pretty much my first preseason game. I didn't do great, but I did well. I picked up blitzes and ran the ball, all the things that they asked of me. I used to think the reason I wasn't playing was because of me. It's just the situation you're in and you have no control over it. You have two good backs in front of you and I just have to sit back and learn.

Of course, this season was frustrating. Before the season there was all of this talk of me and Westbrook in there at the same time doing all of these flip-flops in there. It was frustrating when I'd get one carry in a game and I ran the ball well on that one carry. Every game I'd hope for that one carry and knew I had to make the most of it. I thought I did pretty good on that one carry every game I played in.

I want to improve the blocking part of my game in the off-season. I always want to improve everywhere. I thought that for the most part, I picked up every blitz. In the Atlanta game, I picked up every blitz. I wouldn't say it was a problem, but maybe in the coaches' eyes it may be. But I can't read everybody's mind and I figured that out a long time ago. As far as myself, I thought I had it down pretty well.

Any running back would love to evolve into a better running back every year. Of course, I would want to evolve. Would I want to be like Brian Westbrook? I feel like we are totally different backs in a way. He does the catching part better than me, he's a better receiving back then I am, I'll admit that. He does excel at that part of the game. If you put him out wide, he's just as good as a wide receiver catching the ball. I'm more of a runner. I'm learning that part now, the catching part. The most I did in college was an out route, or a Texas route or a hitch.

I remember when I got here everyone was like Westbrook is awesome, but I had to see it for myself. So since I've been here, he's made me go 'wow' a few times.

I think my preseason injury set me back. I don't blame the coaches. They couldn't see me do anything, and I was hurt. I ran hard in preseason. On every run, I ran hard. I'm not going to look back and wish it could have been different, although I wish I never got hurt. It's all growing pains. Growing pains. I've been through a whole bunch before I even got here and it's not going to change. I'm sure Westbrook has too. He's showing people what he's made of.

The focus for me now is on getting stronger and getting back. I feel like I lost a little bit of my natural running ability. I need to get back to utilizing my instincts and tendencies more. You can't do that to a running back, put him in a military system and force him to run a way that he isn't comfortable with. Now, you don't want him to be a wild animal out there. You just have to be smart, finding the balance between the two.

Quote from: MDS on January 18, 2007, 02:55:45 PM
hes such a bitch

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 03:00:32 PM
i wonder what mama mcnabbs blog will have to say about this

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 02:09:08 PM
mcnabb was supposed to have his postseason press conference tomorrow...his first words since his injury....

andy just announced that he has cancelled it...said mcnabb doesnt have the time to speak to the media as he has to concentrate on his rehab

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 18, 2007, 03:42:39 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 02:09:08 PM
mcnabb was supposed to have his postseason press conference tomorrow...his first words since his injury....

andy just announced that he has cancelled it...said mcnabb doesnt have the time to speak to the media as he has to concentrate on his rehab

Awful.

Quote from: Event Horizon on January 18, 2007, 03:38:50 PM
You idiots get five games from a has-been QB and are ready to trash the franchise? So what he didn't speak to the dopes in Philly. Why should he speak to them? He's out for a freaking year. What was he supposed to say, "Ummm, yea guys. The stitches are healing well. I, uh, noticed a little puss over the last five weeks but that cleared up the other day. I don't expect to be able to run with the team even when I get healthy because they don't run with me so F it. By the way, how do you not go for the 4th and 14? Anyway, I'd like to introduce my new agent. Say hello to everyone, Drew."

Maybe you people would finally come around.

"Aaaaaaaaauuuuuuuu shiat, yall. Das mi boiiiii!"

Quote from: King Cole on January 18, 2007, 04:36:51 PM
Reid is on with Eskin.

"I wouldn't have changed anything I did during the game."

Quote from: rjs246 on January 18, 2007, 04:42:09 PM
Stab stab stab

Quote from: King Cole on January 18, 2007, 04:47:17 PM
Eskin asked him if they need to fix the defensive line and he said basically:

"No, I think we have Bunkley coming in a year older, Kearse coming back, Patterson a year older, and if you add someone along the way then you add someone, but I'm confident in our guys."

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 04:51:14 PM

i have to give it to eskin
for a eagle homer
he is really giving it to andy

making him sound foolish actually

Quote from: Don Ho on January 18, 2007, 04:52:26 PM
i'm just waiting for AR to blow an artery.

Quote from: King Cole on January 18, 2007, 04:52:50 PM
"Dhani will be back."

Still wouldn't buy into it though.

Quote from: Don Ho on January 18, 2007, 04:53:57 PM
shtein, just interview Jim Mora Jr. already.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 04:55:08 PM
to his credit he would not defend the linebackers...did everything but criticize them

which says to me he really does think the DL is fine

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 05:04:58 PM
when asked about stallworth coming back reid answered...and this is an exact quote...

"it WAS nice having him here"

"he did a good job for us"

Quote from: Event Horizon on January 18, 2007, 07:10:02 PM
Reid doesn't give much in press interviews because he doesn't have anything much to give in the first place. He doesn't have an answer to questions because he hasn't ever thought out the thing in the first place. He's a damn QB coach and nothing more. Lurie promoted him beyond his level of competence and even after eight years he hasn't learned to be a decent play caller. The poor handling of the press, the poor clock management, the poor play calling, the poor drafting are all a consequence of undue promotion. The fact that it's continued for eight years, and likely to continue for a few more, is the result of a mentally challenged coach and an Owner who is content to settle for a money maker- Lombardi be damned.

Quote from: MDS on January 18, 2007, 05:54:43 PM
Seems to me Reid has a secret plan to bring back Todd Pinkston.

Quote from: MURP on January 18, 2007, 05:21:59 PM
TREASON!!

Quote from: rjs246 on January 18, 2007, 10:08:42 PM

Quote from: MURP on January 18, 2007, 05:21:59 PM
TREASON!!

I have to say that I support MURP's simple, yet ckear abd forceful, stance on things.

Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 18, 2007, 10:25:27 PM
"It was nice having him here." :fire

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 08:57:55 PM
ok this is my stance right now

if the interview is true to the way it sounded and reid is disgusted with the linebackers and overhauls them.....

meaning no gocong.....dhani is replaced with the best available FA sam

a middle linebacker preferably willis to replace trotter

and make an honest valid attempt to upgrade the wil

then im willing to take my chances with the exisiting DL coming back

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 18, 2007, 04:51:14 PM
hes not allowing donovan to speak to the media because he (andy) is on with eskin now answering all the questions

he wants him to focus on his leg and he doesnt need to talk to anyone

amazing

QuoteEagles | Reid happy with defensive line group heading into '07
Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:51:56 -0800

Dave Spadaro, of PhiladelphiaEagles.com, reports Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid discussed the status of his defensive linemen heading into the 2007 season and was asked whether the club needed to improve the position during the offseason. "No. What I think you need to do is, Bunk (Brodrick Bunkley) needs to be a year older, and (Mike) Patterson will be a year old, (Trent) Cole will be a year older," Reid said. "You get Jevon Kearse back in the mix. If you add somebody in there, you add somebody in there. But those fellas, I think that's a pretty good unit when it's healthy."

QuoteEagles | Reid impressed with Patterson's consistency
Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:31:50 -0800

Dave Spadaro, of PhiladelphiaEagles.com, reports Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid expressed his views regarding the 2006 performance of DL Mike Patterson. "He's doing a solid job, is what he is doing. And that is what he is. You're picking late in the first round and you get a good, solid football player. That's what Patterson is. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes, he holds his ground, he gives you a little bit of a pass rush, he's tough as nails and he is going to be there every Sunday."

Quote from: rjs246 on January 19, 2007, 08:22:53 AM
Hey Munson, how do my balls taste?

Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 19, 2007, 03:07:34 PM
What would you have done if Dirk Diggler had gone against Andy and tried to run it for the first only coming up a yard short?   :-D

Quote from: MURP on January 19, 2007, 01:24:41 PM
Im still to pissed about 4th and 15 to care about McNabbs stupid press conference. 

Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 19, 2007, 04:02:10 PM
Me too.

He's really fat. 

QuoteFEATHERS RUFFLE IN PHILLY OVER MCNABB REHAB

We've determined via conversations with multiple league and media sources that there has been, at some point in the not-too-distant past, a squabble in Philadelphia regarding the status of the rehab of quarterback Donovan McNabb's torn ACL.

As we hear it, McNabb was at some point determined to be behind schedule in his recovery from season-ending surgery to repair the injury that he suffered against the Titans.  And McNabb has, on at least one occasion, blamed the delay on well-respected trainer Rick Burkholder.

There's a school of thought that Eagles coach Andy Reid put the kibosh on McNabb's recent press conference due in part to concerns that McNabb would blab about the brouhaha.

Complicating matters is the fact that the players have a strong affinity for backup Jeff Garcia, who led the team to a berth in the divisional playoffs.  An industry source tells us that guys like tackle Jon Runyan and linebacker Jeremiah Trotter, both members of Reid's "veterans' committee" have expressed strong support for Garcia.

What the support translates into remains to be seen.  We think it's unlikely that McNabb will be traded.  But with Garcia soon to become a free agent, and a possible target for a starting job in, say, Minnesota, the Eagles will need to cough up the money to keep him around -- which would serve only to fuel the speculation that Garcia might have a shot at the job. 

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2007, 03:08:47 PM
id be happy if no one here ever posted anything from pft again

its a worthless site that has as many nfl sources as i do

Quote from: Event Horizon on January 20, 2007, 02:24:54 PM
Why would McNabb want to be behind schedule? How would anyone know he was determined about not getting healthy? They catch him busting the stitches or something? "OMG, Rick! Get in here! Donny's busting the stitches again!"

Maybe they caught him doing the moon walk on shaggy carpet so something. How can you be behind in the rehab of a 8-12 month injury just a few months into it anyway? What would it serve him to miss more games than necessary? Complete crap. These guys must have an agenda which involves Garcia's nuts.

The idea that Garcia is going to take McNabb's job based on a handful of decent performances is delusional. 

Quote from: Don Ho on January 21, 2007, 02:51:36 AM
god help us, it's going to be a long, long off season.

Quote from: General_Failure on January 21, 2007, 11:33:58 AM
Baskett's got a long way to go to make up those 16 catches Stallworth had over him.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2007, 02:27:35 PM
stallworth opens up the field for everyone else...especially underneath...something that no one else on this team much less friggin hank baskett or avant can do...he also is a bonafied nfl threat...a guy that will command a safety to look closely at his side of the field...where as every other wide receiver on this team get a single corner on them and lets play ball

stats dont tell the whole story on a guy like stallworth

stallworth also is very underrated as a posession receiver..he come over the middle on those quick slants better than anyone on the team

QuoteThe Eagles won't win the Super Bowl this year, but they can take solace in the fact that they are the television ratings champions.

According to the Eagles' public relations department, during the regular season, an average of 892,000 households watched the weekly Eagles games — twice the NFL average of 446,000 households. The highest-rated, regular-season games were Week 5 vs. Dallas (1.168 million) and Week 17 vs. Atlanta (1.058 million).

The Eagles' average rating of 30.4 is 19 percent above the NFL average among all markets. Chicago is the other market with comparable ratings. Chicago averaged a 55 share, and the Eagles averaged a 54 share.

More than one million households in the Philadelphia TV market watched the Eagles' playoff games against the Giants and Saints. The Saints game earned a 42.0 rating/63 share, and the Giants game earned a 44.2 rating/63 share.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2007, 08:19:33 PM
[devil's advocate]When he's on the field.[/devil's advocate]

fair enough but hes not someone like mcnabb or even westbrook

stallworth has missed four games in the last three years

Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 21, 2007, 08:39:40 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2007, 08:19:33 PM
[devil's advocate]When he's on the field.[/devil's advocate]

fair enough but hes not someone like mcnabb or even westbrook

stallworth has missed four games in the last three years

Like I said, just playing a bit of Devil's advocate.  I want him resigned as badly as everyone else on here.

I would like to see him used a bit more next year, though - 38 catches in 12 games is insufficient for someone of his speed and talent.

Quote from: EagleFeva on January 21, 2007, 09:56:02 PM

Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 21, 2007, 08:39:40 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2007, 08:19:33 PM
[devil's advocate]When he's on the field.[/devil's advocate]

fair enough but hes not someone like mcnabb or even westbrook

stallworth has missed four games in the last three years

Like I said, just playing a bit of Devil's advocate.  I want him resigned as badly as everyone else on here.

I would like to see him used a bit more next year, though - 38 catches in 12 games is insufficient for someone of his speed and talent.

Give me 12 games of Donte Stallworth (if he misses any) over 16 games of Drew Bennett or some other FA scrub anyday.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2007, 09:59:34 PM
i love how right when stallworth is about to hit free agency hes all of a sudden the most injury prone player in the history of the nfl.....mcnabb is way more fragile than stallworth

QuoteWell, Mark doesn't cover the Eagles any longer, so I will be interested to see how much of what he says this off-season comes true. Anybody going to keep track of that?


1. Trotter will be back
2. Donovan and Jevon and Lito didn't travel to New Orleans, so ... If Donovan has a problem with that, I don't know of it.
3. Reid spoke with Donovan. I know that for a fact.


Any other rumors?

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2007, 11:04:56 AM
i mean im not promoting it...and if hes back then thats fine...but unlike a couple years ago if he went now it would be perfectly fine with me...him and his family are straight drama queens

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 22, 2007, 11:46:24 PM
That's about right. Head pulled out. They should have the catcher with the ball in his mitt to drive home the point.

i can almost hear Billy Beane's automatic Burrell defense pager going off. We'll see him soon in this thread.

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 22, 2007, 11:57:04 PM
Here's the Carlton one: 1 (http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/cooperstown4/scarlton/images/cooperstown4_scarlton_photo_01_dp.jpg) 2 (http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/cooperstown4/scarlton/images/cooperstown4_scarlton_photo_02_dp.jpg)

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 09:09:51 AM
That Carlton joint is money and it will be off the heezy sitting next to my Schmidt joint. 

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 09:09:51 AM

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 22, 2007, 11:57:04 PM
Here's the Carlton one: 1 (http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/cooperstown4/scarlton/images/cooperstown4_scarlton_photo_01_dp.jpg) 2 (http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/cooperstown4/scarlton/images/cooperstown4_scarlton_photo_02_dp.jpg)

That Carlton joint is money and it will be off the heezy sitting next to my Schmidt joint. 

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 10:59:14 AM
we dont need an article from eckel to know that mcnabb is a little bitch

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2007, 01:13:21 PM
I would like to see Eckel go cover some other team. Is there an opening in Buffalo? He'd let that FO run a train on his ass he loves 'em so much.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 01:34:55 PM
Garcia is adored because he's a nutzo on the field and screams and gets dirty. Its the Philly way. Sometimes fans will like a guy if he's a dirtball more than if he's a good player. I don't understand that sometimes.

i dont know how you dont understand that...if mcnabb had one ounce of the fire garcia had hed be a much better player...mcnabbs biggest problem is not talent...its confidence and the lack of ability to not get down during tough times...also his desire to not lose is absent...these are all things garcia has tons of and if mcnabb had them hed be a much better player...maybe the kind of player that could win it all or at least a couple nfc championships

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 01:48:45 PM
I believe that most people in the city would take player A and I don't get it.

you couldnt be more wrong...the people want a guy that can win a championship...if he had a personality and took the city under his wings  then the guy would be a legend in the city but thats a bonus...

best believe everyone would rather have mcnabb win a championship than be liked...however the problem is that mcnabbs attitude and personality very well may be the reason he cant win...


The guy faced adversity since he was drafted here

he has?

what true adversity has he faced?

a few fans booing him?

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 01:48:45 PM
The guy faced adversity since he was drafted here

he has?

what true adversity has he faced?

a few fans booing him?

Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 23, 2007, 01:53:40 PM
Phreak do you not think McNabb could benefit from being a little more open and fiery on the field?  I think that type of personality commands more respect than someone who gets a little mopey or is acting jovial during a tight game.  McNabb is a million times more talented than Garcia but I think Garcia has a better head for the game. I think McNabb could learn from the way Garcia ran the team.

Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 23, 2007, 01:53:40 PM
Phreak do you not think McNabb could benefit from being a little more open and fiery on the field?  I think that type of personality commands more respect than someone who gets a little mopey or is acting jovial during a tight game.  McNabb is a million times more talented than Garcia but I think Garcia has a better head for the game. I think McNabb could learn from the way Garcia ran the team.

Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 23, 2007, 02:15:15 PM
I don't think it should make a difference but I think players perceive it that way.   I don't disagree that you should get fired up on your own but truthfully we know that not everyone can.  Some people need to be a little more motivated than others. 

Does anyone remember the quote (I think it was either Stallworth or Brown?) who said that when Donovan was in there they didn't work as hard on their routes because they knew he could make something out of nothing.  That is somewhat telling to me.  They should be running their asses off on every play regardless of the QB. 

Now I don't think whoever said it meant anything by it as much as they were trying to compliment McNabb.  But still...

QuoteReid 'Disappointed' By Speculation
January 23, 2007
By BOB KENT


Head coach Andy Reid said Tuesday that he was "disappointed" in a published reports that franchise quarterback Donovan McNabb is unhappy with the Eagles organization and uncertain about his future in Philadelphia.

"I hate to see people have to make things up that aren't really true," Reid said in a conference call from the Senior Bowl in Mobile, AL. "He (Donovan) knows what's the truth and what isn't the truth. I'm not worried about that."

Despite the speculation, Reid stands by his decision last week to cancel McNabb's press conference that was scheduled for last Friday.

"It was my choice, not Donovan's choice," Reid said. "I don't feel any different."

A couple of different reports have said indicated that McNabb has been at odds with the team regarding issues ranging from his post-surgery rehabilitation to his standing in the locker room to the fact that he was not taken on the team charter for the playoff game in New Orleans.

The widely-read web site, ProFootballTalk.com had this report over the weekend: "As we hear it, McNabb was at some point determined to be behind schedule in his recovery from season-ending surgery to repair the injury that he suffered against the Titans. And McNabb has, on at least one occasion, blamed the delay on well-respected trainer Rick Burkholder.

"There's a school of thought that Eagles coach Andy Reid put the kibosh on McNabb's recent press conference due in part to concerns that McNabb would blab about the brouhaha.

"Complicating matters is the fact that the players have a strong affinity for backup Jeff Garcia, who led the team to a berth in the divisional playoffs. An industry source tells us that guys like tackle Jon Runyan and linebacker Jeremiah Trotter, both members of Reid's 'veterans' committee' have expressed strong support for Garcia."

Then, a column in The Trenton Times cited "people close to" McNabb as saying he "is not pleased with a lot that has happened since he tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee in a loss to Tennessee on Nov. 19."

At the time of the injury, McNabb had been near the top of the league's charts in passing yards (2,647), touchdown passes (18 ), and QB rating (95.5). Along the way, he became the seventh player in NFL history to throw for 20,000 yards and rush for 2,500 more.

The story continued ...

"The franchise quarterback's unhappiness includes the fact head coach Andy Reid did not allow him to travel to the team's playoff game in New Orleans. There is a team rule that players on injured reserve do not travel ...

"McNabb also may be getting a vibe that some in the organization prefer (Jeff) Garcia over him. Lastly he was not pleased with the way his mother, Wilma, has been portrayed by Eagles fans and the local media for her blog on his Web site in which she stated that watching the Eagles win without her son 'is bittersweet.'"

Garcia was a more-than-sufficient replacement for the injured McNabb down the stretch. In seven games (6 starts), he threw 10 touchdown passes and only two interceptions on 188 attempts. Most importantly, he led the Eagles to a 5-1 record and an NFC East division championship.

The story went on to indicate the rumors are surfacing that McNabb or Garcia could land in Minnesota or Tampa Bay before next season.

Reid was not asked about the particular report. But he did reiterate his displeasure with what's being reported.

"I'm disappointed that people are making things up. That's the part I'm disappointed in," Reid said. "I think that people are making a lot of things up here that aren't true."

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 04:09:35 PM
mcnabb has been close enough more than enough times with teams more than capable of winning a title for me to say that his inner being is the reason they havent won a championship

but by all means if it makes you feel better about your teams qb...please keep making every excuse in the book for him

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 23, 2007, 04:25:31 PM
Isn't one year when a team "should have" won the Super Bowl and didn't enough reason to shake some things up?

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 23, 2007, 05:46:11 PM
Eckel declined to appear on DNL....probably because Runyan was there...

Quote from: Beef Rapp on January 23, 2007, 01:53:40 PM
Phreak do you not think McNabb could benefit from being a little more open and fiery on the field?  I think that type of personality commands more respect than someone who gets a little mopey or is acting jovial during a tight game.  McNabb is a million times more talented than Garcia but I think Garcia has a better head for the game. I think McNabb could learn from the way Garcia ran the team.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 07:42:50 PM
Jon said (paraphrasing)"He's the starting QB at that time. What else are we going to say? You have to pledge your support for whoever is playing. That's the way it is. Donovan was out hurt so we had to get behind him (Garcia)"

ironic no?...that mcnabb is upset about the same exact thing that started the whole TO fiasco

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 24, 2007, 09:07:42 AM
much ado about nothing

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 24, 2007, 12:35:00 AM

-- said he talks to his dad before every game

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 07:42:50 PM
Jon said (paraphrasing)"He's the starting QB at that time. What else are we going to say? You have to pledge your support for whoever is playing. That's the way it is. Donovan was out hurt so we had to get behind him (Garcia)"

ironic no?...that mcnabb is upset about the same exact thing that started the whole TO fiasco

Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 24, 2007, 09:10:15 AM

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 24, 2007, 09:07:42 AM
much ado about nothing

as it always is when Eckel is involved.

I was told by a friend of his that he craves attention...LOL

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 09:42:55 AM

thats cause eckel says things that arent pro eagle
best believe if eckel was all puppies and flowers regarding the team people would be touting him for a pulitzer prize

Quote from: SunMo on January 24, 2007, 09:45:28 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 09:42:55 AM

thats cause eckel says things that arent pro eagle
best believe if eckel was all puppies and flowers regarding the team people would be touting him for a pulitzer prize

i don't agree with that.  basically, Eckel is Evil Spadaro.  people recognize the nonsense that is Spadaro as much, if not more, than they do with Eckel

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 09:49:54 AMread eckel when the eagles are winning...he writes articles praising them all the time...on the flip side read spadaro and look for him to speak negatively towards the team...will never happen

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 24, 2007, 10:35:18 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 09:49:54 AMread eckel when the eagles are winning...he writes articles praising them all the time...on the flip side read spadaro and look for him to speak negatively towards the team...will never happen

Eckel doesn't work for the Eagles or have anything to do with their official website.  If the roles were reversed, you'd see similar results.  Spadaro isn't 100% "yay team!" by any means.  He's just more careful with how he words things because he has to, but when he's off the record, he's highly critical of many players...

Quote from: SunMo on January 24, 2007, 10:49:24 AM
Eckel is a thug

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 09:42:55 AM
hes not an excellent qb...hes a very good one...who also happens to be a Hoyda...its not loathing...its calling it as it is...people think i hate him...but i honestly dont...do i love him like i used to...no...but i hes still one of my favorite players on the team...but that doesnt mean you have to turn a blind eye to his faults


I wasn't only commenting about Eckel and those bringing credence to his blasphemy but also those who feel the need to constantly point out just how wrong he is and make a big deal about it.

thats cause eckel says things that arent pro eagle
best believe if eckel was all puppies and flowers regarding the team people would be touting him for a pulitzer prize

Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 03:22:27 PM

Quote from: SunMo on January 24, 2007, 10:49:24 AM
Eckel is a thug

You mean he's black?

QuoteEagles Sign 15; Allocate Five To NFL Europe 

January 25, 2007
By BOB KENT & CHRIS McPHERSON

Philadelphia went international Thursday in signing Australian Football League veteran Saverio Rocca, who will add some flavor the competition at punter this offseason. This will be his first time playing with an NFL team. Earlier in the day, the team added to its offseason roster by signing cornerback Dustin Fox.
The 6-foot-5, 243-pound Rocca played in 257 career games and scored 748 goals in his 15-year career with the Collingwood Magpies and the North Melbourne Kangaroos.

The 33-year-old Rocca was Collingwood's leading goalkicker from 1993-1999. He was drafted by North Melbourne in 2000 and played with the Kangaroos through the 2006 season, leading the team in goals from 2001-02 and in 2004.

The Australian rules football player now hopes to follow in the footsteps of Australian-born players like Mat McBriar, Ben Graham, both of whom have enjoyed success punting in the NFL.

McBriar boasts a 36.8-yard net average for his three seasons in Dallas, while Graham has a 37.9-yard net average in two seasons with the Jets. Darren Bennett is another notable Australian-born player who had a nice career in the NFL.

Eagles punter Dirk Johnson, who inked a new six-year deal prior to the start of the regular season, finished the regular season with a 34.9-yard net. He dropped 21 of his 78 punts inside the 20-yard line.

Meanwhile, Fox joins former Villanova wide receiver J.J. Outlaw and 12 other new additions who were added on Tuesday. Outlaw was among five players allocated to play in NFL Europe this spring.


Andrews Out For Pro Bowl
The neck injury sustained by right guard Shawn Andrews in the playoff loss at New Orleans will keep him from participating in the Pro Bowl in Hawaii next month. An All-Pro, Andrews was slated to start for the NFC squad in his first trip to the Pro Bowl.

Andrews missed the entire second half against the Saints and was taken to a local hospital as a precaution.

"He's not sure exactly when it happened, but he had a tremendous amount of swelling there at halftime. He actually was having a tough time seeing," head coach Andy Reid said back on Jan. 14, a day after the Eagles were eliminated from the postseason.

Reid termed the injury as a "contusion in his neck." He said it was not a disc-related injury.

Chicago's Ruben Brown was added to the NFC roster Thursday to replace the Eagles' lineman.


Coach Reed Moves On
Eagles defensive assistant/quality control coach Mike Reed was hired as the defensive secondary coach for North Carolina State.

During his tenure in Philadelphia, Reed assisted the defensive coordinator in creating and editing the defensive playbook and weekly game plans, scouted opponents, and worked with the linebackers and special teams coaches. In 2002, he worked with the defensive secondary.

Quote from: paco on January 25, 2007, 04:31:45 PM
I didnt see this anywhere else:

Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 25, 2007, 04:45:01 PM

Quote from: paco on January 25, 2007, 04:31:45 PM
I didnt see this anywhere else:

I think it is in the "Things not worthy of a thread" thread in the general section. If it isn't, it should be.

Dustin Fox rocks though.

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Coach Reed Moves On

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 25, 2007, 05:02:54 PM

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Coach Reed Moves On

So close!

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 09:43:48 PM

for example im not someone like hunt

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2007, 10:00:19 PM
so will ronde barber be moved to WR?

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2007, 09:42:44 PM
sorry if i dont take gospel the nba ramblings of a acid wash jean wearing cancer patient looking old man yankee fan from the hills of union county

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 25, 2007, 10:00:19 PM
so will ronde barber be moved to WR?

QuoteFirst of all get your facts straight, since you know nothing about me.
I'll give you some help.
Eagles Digest called me back in 1989 and offered me the job, actually begged me to take it. I thought about it for a day, or two and politely said no thanks.
They called Ed Hilt, of the AC Press, who also turned it down.
Then Dave, who was working at West Chester at the time, accepted it.
So that's the facts there.
I have no bitter feelings toward the Eagles. I covered them for 21 years. If I was as bitter as you suggest I would have asked to cover baseball or basketball or anything else long ago.
I'm also very good friends with several people who work for the team. And I host shows two or three times a week during the season with players on the team. So again your basis is off base.
Am I fan of the team? No, writers are not supposed to be fans of what they cover. Fact No. 2
Next, An Eagles rep called me this morning before I went on the air to let me know Andy did not mean me, but the Pro Football Talk website. Again, he called me to tell me that.
As for the caller, he said he heard it on another radio station. I tracked that down (that's called working) and found out where and what was said. But that was far from the nature of my column.
You can call me any name you would like.
But let's see I not only work for the paper, but for The Sporting News, WIP and assorted other media outlets. Not bad. Are there better, sure, but not a lot.
I stand by what I wrote and it's been confirmed by people like Hugh Douglas, who has a lot more access to things than most of us, because of his playing days. Even Howard Eskin, who also has excellent sources, confirmed my story. Something he normally would not do.
Finally, as far as Donovan. I want him here. He's a great player. If anything, and if you actually read the column, I took his side. I don't want to trade him. I just said what was being talked about. Why do you think people who know him well, would tell me things, because they trust me.
So you can believe what you want and think what you want, at least now you have the facts.

QuoteControl freak Reid has created a crisis
Jack McCaffery, Times Sports Columnist
01/25/2007

Day One of the Andy Reid Era in Philadelphia, introductory press conference in a downtown ballroom, cameras everywhere, reporters interested, a franchise open to change. And a hint of what was to come. "We all want the same thing here," Reid said, before implying that the press should follow his rules and enjoy the ride to all football glory. In other words, he mistook Philadelphia then as he has mistaken it ever since for Green Bay, and since he never learned otherwise, now he has a crisis.

He has a crisis because he has one quarterback whom he has pummeled into sad timidity, softening him like a well-oiled catcher's mitt with years of needless protection, ridiculous diversion and relentless control. That would be Donovan McNabb, prone to injury and late-game stomach distress, interceptions at the worst of moments, weird humor and hair-trigger feelings. And the crisis began last week when, in a snapshot of the Reid-McNabb relationship, the head coach ordered the quarterback not to answer legitimate, responsible football questions in a reasonable, conventional setting -- and the quarterback retreated to his room, exactly as ordered, not allowed to say anything at the dinner table.

Reid also has the crisis because he has another quarterback who never submitted to control, generally speaks when he cares to speak and was willing to fly to Burbank, don an Eagles jersey and participate in a slapstick stunt for Jay Leno in which a Giants fan was flattened by a panel truck. That would be Jeff Garcia, prone to NFL survival, strong of personal sense and willing to embrace any football moment.

So where is the problem?

The problem is that once Reid misread his play chart and believed he could throw a blanket of camouflage leaves over the possibility of his worst fear -- a quarterback crisis -- the leaves began to smolder and there was no fire-extinguisher in sight. Having not learned anything since his Day One orders to the press were met with muffled laughs, Reid apparently didn't learn much, either, in whatever journalism program he may have taken at BYU. He never learned that cover-ups not only don't work, but encourage deeper digging.

In another situation, in another program, the two-headed quarterback monster would have been transformed by now into a lovable pet. In a 20-minute postseason press conference, ostensibly to provide a medical update concerning his surgically repaired knee, McNabb could have expressed delight at Garcia's success, thrust his fist to the sky and energized Eagles fans with the promise that he would return better than ever. At the worst, the Eagles would have two fine quarterbacks going forward, both with the same mission -- to put an end to the disgrace that is 0-since-1960. At best, McNabb's enthusiasm would have rendered Garcia's comedy trivial.

But by censoring McNabb, Reid only redirected the river of speculation. So once McNabb's thoughts were limited to his family members spraying damaging blogs, other voices began to peep. Some were underground, saying in printed reports that McNabb has been unhappy. Others -- like Brian Westbrook after a loss to the Saints in the playoffs -- openly, aggressively praised Garcia. Listen: "We have been saying that the whole time Jeff's been playing that he has brought that fire back and that competitiveness. He is a leader. Everybody has played better since Jeff has gotten in there and that is the true definition of a leader. When the guys can rally around Jeff and play better, you can't ask for much more."

That quote -- delivered downstairs in the Superdome, minutes after the Eagles season -- did not generate nearly enough attention. Read it again. And believe that it was said out loud, in front of plenty, with purpose.

That's where it is going -- and where Reid would like it to stop. There is a feeling in the clubhouse -- not a consensus, perhaps not even a plurality, but a feeling -- that the Birds would be fine with Garcia at quarterback. They means they would be fine without a $112,000,000 self-appointed "captain of the ship" with brittle bones and matching emotions. McNabb is still upset that 30 made-for-broadcast plants booed him at the draft. He nearly wept when Terrell Owens said something nice about Brett Favre. His camp even used the word "bittersweet" in connection with Garcia's success.

Now, this: An attempt at censorship, but resulting turmoil.

How will the Eagles respond? Well, they have had opportunities, beginning with Jeffrey Lurie's postseason press briefing in the locker room, to guarantee Garcia work. Instead, they punted. Now, Garcia wants to test the free-agent market. Just a guess, but once it is clear that McNabb is healthy, Andy's Media Army will begin to tout A.J. Feeley as the most capable backup since Harry Truman.

In the meantime, Reid will try to control everything he can. Indeed, it was interesting when Reid responded to questions about McNabb, the head coach sounded uncomfortable with the situation. The resulting headline: "Reid says he and McNabb still getting along well."

Reid says. Reid. Not McNabb. Reid says. And once he does, he expects everyone to accept that as truth and to keep marching.

Problem is, not everybody did on Day One. And a whole lot fewer are stomping that yard, all these unfulfilled promises later.

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stomping that yard

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2007, 04:16:50 PM
so if domo is correct:

minus
garcia
jones
mcdougle
stallworth
mike lewis
rod hood
trotter

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 26, 2007, 06:03:07 PM
McCaffery with another WTF column...

QuoteControl freak Reid has created a crisis
Jack McCaffery, Times Sports Columnist
01/25/2007

Day One of the Andy Reid Era in Philadelphia, introductory press conference in a downtown ballroom, cameras everywhere, reporters interested, a franchise open to change. And a hint of what was to come. "We all want the same thing here," Reid said, before implying that the press should follow his rules and enjoy the ride to all football glory. In other words, he mistook Philadelphia then as he has mistaken it ever since for Green Bay, and since he never learned otherwise, now he has a crisis.

He has a crisis because he has one quarterback whom he has pummeled into sad timidity, softening him like a well-oiled catcher's mitt with years of needless protection, ridiculous diversion and relentless control. That would be Donovan McNabb, prone to injury and late-game stomach distress, interceptions at the worst of moments, weird humor and hair-trigger feelings. And the crisis began last week when, in a snapshot of the Reid-McNabb relationship, the head coach ordered the quarterback not to answer legitimate, responsible football questions in a reasonable, conventional setting -- and the quarterback retreated to his room, exactly as ordered, not allowed to say anything at the dinner table.

Reid also has the crisis because he has another quarterback who never submitted to control, generally speaks when he cares to speak and was willing to fly to Burbank, don an Eagles jersey and participate in a slapstick stunt for Jay Leno in which a Giants fan was flattened by a panel truck. That would be Jeff Garcia, prone to NFL survival, strong of personal sense and willing to embrace any football moment.

So where is the problem?

The problem is that once Reid misread his play chart and believed he could throw a blanket of camouflage leaves over the possibility of his worst fear -- a quarterback crisis -- the leaves began to smolder and there was no fire-extinguisher in sight. Having not learned anything since his Day One orders to the press were met with muffled laughs, Reid apparently didn't learn much, either, in whatever journalism program he may have taken at BYU. He never learned that cover-ups not only don't work, but encourage deeper digging.

In another situation, in another program, the two-headed quarterback monster would have been transformed by now into a lovable pet. In a 20-minute postseason press conference, ostensibly to provide a medical update concerning his surgically repaired knee, McNabb could have expressed delight at Garcia's success, thrust his fist to the sky and energized Eagles fans with the promise that he would return better than ever. At the worst, the Eagles would have two fine quarterbacks going forward, both with the same mission -- to put an end to the disgrace that is 0-since-1960. At best, McNabb's enthusiasm would have rendered Garcia's comedy trivial.

But by censoring McNabb, Reid only redirected the river of speculation. So once McNabb's thoughts were limited to his family members spraying damaging blogs, other voices began to peep. Some were underground, saying in printed reports that McNabb has been unhappy. Others -- like Brian Westbrook after a loss to the Saints in the playoffs -- openly, aggressively praised Garcia. Listen: "We have been saying that the whole time Jeff's been playing that he has brought that fire back and that competitiveness. He is a leader. Everybody has played better since Jeff has gotten in there and that is the true definition of a leader. When the guys can rally around Jeff and play better, you can't ask for much more."

That quote -- delivered downstairs in the Superdome, minutes after the Eagles season -- did not generate nearly enough attention. Read it again. And believe that it was said out loud, in front of plenty, with purpose.

That's where it is going -- and where Reid would like it to stop. There is a feeling in the clubhouse -- not a consensus, perhaps not even a plurality, but a feeling -- that the Birds would be fine with Garcia at quarterback. They means they would be fine without a $112,000,000 self-appointed "captain of the ship" with brittle bones and matching emotions. McNabb is still upset that 30 made-for-broadcast plants booed him at the draft. He nearly wept when Terrell Owens said something nice about Brett Favre. His camp even used the word "bittersweet" in connection with Garcia's success.

Now, this: An attempt at censorship, but resulting turmoil.

How will the Eagles respond? Well, they have had opportunities, beginning with Jeffrey Lurie's postseason press briefing in the locker room, to guarantee Garcia work. Instead, they punted. Now, Garcia wants to test the free-agent market. Just a guess, but once it is clear that McNabb is healthy, Andy's Media Army will begin to tout A.J. Feeley as the most capable backup since Harry Truman.

In the meantime, Reid will try to control everything he can. Indeed, it was interesting when Reid responded to questions about McNabb, the head coach sounded uncomfortable with the situation. The resulting headline: "Reid says he and McNabb still getting along well."

Reid says. Reid. Not McNabb. Reid says. And once he does, he expects everyone to accept that as truth and to keep marching.

Problem is, not everybody did on Day One. And a whole lot fewer are stomping that yard, all these unfulfilled promises later.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2007, 02:13:12 PMwant some more dio?

QuotePeyton Manning is everywhere.

Omnipresent on TV, seemingly making more commercials than the 1986 Super Bowl Shufflin' Bears combined. The Colts' quintessential quarterback is the face of the NFL, and he's in your face.

And no one seems to mind. Maybe it's the friendly face. The down-home dude with the computer-quick football mind, laser arm and boy-next-door persona seems to blend the best of both worlds.

Normally we grow sick of an overexposed superstar. But as much as a man making 100 million-plus could play the everyman, Manning pulls it off. (I especially like the credit card commercial where his paper boy throws one through Manning's window and Manning says, "That's all right, Rickey, you've still got the best arm in the neighborhood!")

I even heard the WIP morning team, which devours pro athletes like Wing Bowl, say they like Manning. I think most like Manning because they felt sorry for him all those years he couldn't beat the Patriots while being outmanned. He was becoming the NFL's A-Rod (great regular seasons, empty postseasons) though far more genuine and embraceable.

And now after engineering the greatest comeback in conference title game history, poetically over the Patriots, Manning's eternal validation ticket is stamped pending Super Bowl victory over the Bears. Right now Manning is The Man. America's quarterback, Madison Avenue's MVP.

"He's the nicest guy in the world, and everybody loves him," reasons Terry Lefton of Sports Business Daily and Journal.

Meanwhile, Mr. Chunky Soup, Donovan McNabb, reportedly is privately simmering, partly because some teammates prefer rejuvenated but 36-year-old Jeff Garcia. If it's true I can't blame him. McNabb has taken too much of the blame too long.

Somehow in this Philly-feel-good-till-New Orleans-story, McNabb became Mr. T to Garcia's Rocky. OK, I'm exaggerating, but after what McNabb's been through and overcome, his plummeting local popularity while rehabbing is disturbing. McNabb has had much more to fight through than Manning, more than the big-game shortfalls they've shared.

And he's equally worth rooting for.

From Rush Limbaugh to T.O., from a token rushing game that hurt him to season-ending injuries and clinically frustrated Philadelphia's annual rush to judgment, he faces a unique yearly test of toughness.

And yes, throw in the race card. Don't kid yourself that color isn't part of it. The vicious knee-jerk reactions of fans after McNabb throws one at the feet virtually prove that. As we celebrate two African-American coaches in a Super Bowl for the first time, it's hard to reconcile McNabb's relative lack of acceptance in Philly after five Pro Bowls, four NFC title games and one Super Bowl.

Is it personality? McNabb has seemed to need two personas — the corporate speak-type at press conferences, the radiant one elsewhere. The franchise face tries to be unflappable, but the perception grows that he's the anti-Manning — aloof and distant.

The more Andy Reid tries to avoid another soap opera, the more apparent it is there's dirty laundry, perhaps necessitating new uniforms for some. Reid only increased the speculation of McNabb's unhappiness by canceling his news conference. The coach has been more over-protective than Wilma McNabb, and maybe it's time he let his quarterback speak his mind. Tell us it's your team, Donovan, and those that can't deal with it will be dealt. You've got that power, and fortunately Reid isn't foolish enough to follow the polls and trade you.

It's hard for me to believe the perception that McNabb, who's as virtuous as Manning, has been mostly responsible for creating distance from teammates and fans. If he doesn't hang out with some of the Eagles enough, they should respect that he keeps hanging in there. The reality is the Eagles aren't far from another Super Bowl, primarily because he's one of the league's five best quarterbacks.

Reid leaves no doubt McNabb is his starting quarterback. But the Eagles can't finish the job until all of them believe it. Just as all the Colts kept believing in Manning.

Meanwhile, as the omnipresent Manning finally gets to the Super Bowl, Mr. Chunky Soup has to wonder why others keep stirring the pot.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 24, 2007, 09:43:24 AM
Of course, the "fans" in this city will run him out of town.  ::)


IGY, why don't you read Phreak's post explaining what you are blowing WAY out of proportion. You're making shtein up here.

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2007, 05:35:23 PM
Roob (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-01282007-1283222.html) gives his offseason ideas
-- replace Stallworth with a free agent or draft pick that has speed

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2007, 05:35:23 PM
Roob (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-01282007-1283222.html) gives his offseason ideas

-- let Garcia walk and draft a QB in the 3rd round
-- draft a RB in day 1
-- replace Stallworth with a free agent or draft pick that has speed
-- Justice at LT and MJG at LG with the starters in camp
-- start Bunkley and Patterson, rotate Walker as a DE and DT, get a fat slob DT
-- hope for 1 more year of Trotter before replacing him with Gaither
-- hope Gocong gets SLB
-- give Tank Daniels more time in camp
-- re-sign Mikell and James as backups, then draft a big CB and a safety
-- give Bloom the return duties

Quote from: Father Demon on January 28, 2007, 06:28:53 PM

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2007, 05:35:23 PM
Roob (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-01282007-1283222.html) gives his offseason ideas
-- replace Stallworth with a free agent or draft pick that has speed

I have to assume that the FO is going this way because of the expected $$$ Stallworth will get in FA.  As mentioned somewhere else, the only apparent FA that makes me a little excited is Jackson, and a trade with Oakland for Porter if possible.  Other than that, there's nothing out there.

I wonder how much Rosenhaus is involved in the reason the Eagles haven't locked him up?  I would guess they tried, and Rosen came back and said some rediculous number or else it's FA.  That would explain why TH and Banner have been so open with the "see ya" route in the talks.

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2007, 05:35:23 PM
Roob (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-01282007-1283222.html) gives his offseason ideas

-- let Garcia walk and draft a QB in the 3rd round
-- draft a RB in day 1
-- replace Stallworth with a free agent or draft pick that has speed
-- Justice at LT and MJG at LG with the starters in camp
-- start Bunkley and Patterson, rotate Walker as a DE and DT, get a fat slob DT
-- hope for 1 more year of Trotter before replacing him with Gaither
-- hope Gocong gets SLB
-- give Tank Daniels more time in camp
-- re-sign Mikell and James as backups, then draft a big CB and a safety
-- give Bloom the return duties

Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 28, 2007, 11:56:45 PM
I like the idea of them letting Garcia go.  I really want to see a young QB in here.  I think AJ can do just as good of a job as Garcia did with this team.  Chris Leak would be an interesting choice or possibly that Kolb kid from Houston. 

Quote from: SunMo on January 29, 2007, 09:15:20 AM
well, they might not have enough money to sign Stallworth, but at least they have Mike Patterson until the end of time.  you can't get mediocre DT's anywhere, you need to hold onto them when you get them

Quote from: SunMo on January 30, 2007, 06:30:19 PM
1.  Bellicheck read the Eagles parade route to the team before the game, i had never heard that before.

Quote from: SunMo on January 30, 2007, 06:30:19 PM
1.  Bellicheck read the Eagles parade route to the team before the game, i had never heard that before.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:13:08 AM
stephen a smith just verbally ass raped spadaro on wip...it was one of the best things ive ever heard and i wish i had taped it...he even physically threatened him

Quote from: EagleFeva on February 02, 2007, 11:53:44 AM
... after I've called the wife, of course.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:13:08 AM
stephen a smith just verbally ass raped spadaro on wip...it was one of the best things ive ever heard and i wish i had taped it...he even physically threatened him

QuoteLance Briggs-LB-Bears Feb. 5 - 9:42 am et


The Bears are expected to place the franchise tag on Lance Briggs this off-season.

Briggs was looking for a monster signing bonus, and the Bears could quite sign him last summer. His value has only gone up, but letting him leave for free makes no sense. Briggs is a Drew Rosenhaus client, and may hold out of summer work if franchised.
Source: Chicago Sun Times

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 05, 2007, 10:48:12 AM
FWIW, PFT.com is reporting Cohwer is interested in the Panthers position if Fox is canned, If fox is canned fire JJ and get Fox in here for the D immediately

Quote from: Diomedes on February 05, 2007, 11:27:35 AM
So what you're saying is that Gibbs is out and Cower is in for the Racists?

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POSTED 7:08 a.m. EST; UPDATED 8:11 a.m. EST, February 7, 2007

GARCIA WANTS TO GET PAID

While Eagles quarterback Jeff Garcia says that he is "very optimistic and open-minded (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/16640314.htm)" about the possibility of re-signing with the team that he led to the divisional round in 2006, Garcia made it clear that he'll need a contract well in excess of the one-year deal for the veteran minimum that he received a year ago.

"It's tough for me to sit here and say that I'm going to close all doors because there might be something out there that is either going to be interesting to me or force Philadelphia to not just think they can get away with giving me the same thing they gave me this past year," Garcia said.

Translation:  Garcia plans to hit the open market and force the Eagles to match (or come darn close to matching) the best offer he can get.

And that means, in our view, that he won't be back.  We can envision an offer to Garcia in the range of $3 million or more per year, maybe more.  And that's something that the Eagles simply won't touch.

Though we're inclined not to believe the predictable stream of "all is well" coming from the Eagles, Garcia, and starter Donovan McNabb regarding the ability of the two quarterbacks to coexist, if it's true that McNabb would welcome a return by Garcia then the Eagles should have signed Garcia to a longer-term deal when they signed him in 2006.

But the lure of the twist in the rules regarding the signing of veteran free agents was too strong for the Eagles, who have shown an affinity over the years for staying well under the salary cap.  By inking Garcia to a one-year contract worth $710,000, the Eagles carried a significantly lower cap charge.

And now that his contract is set to expire after one of his best performances of his career, Garcia is looking to turn that success into cash, as he rightly should.  "I realize what's best for me and I realize what's more comfortable for me," Garcia said.  "I know being here will be a great thing for me, so in no way will I turn my back on that, but in no way do I want to be taken advantage of for my hard work and dedication and for what I bring to the team.''

Garcia has been linked most prominently with the Vikings, since Minnesota uses the same offense that Garcia operated in Philly.  Other teams that have been mentioned as possible destinations include the Broncos and the Bears.

Quote from: Diomedes on February 07, 2007, 09:30:59 AM
PFT breaking the obvious

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"It's tough for me to sit here and say that I'm going to close all doors because there might be something out there that is either going to be interesting to me or force Philadelphia to not just think they can get away with giving me the same thing they gave me this past year," Garcia said.

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"I know being here will be a great thing for me, so in no way will I turn my back on that, but in no way do I want to be taken advantage of for my hard work and dedication and for what I bring to the team.''

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 07, 2007, 09:49:20 AM
Get ready for the end-is-near overreaction from some when Garcia bolts. I don't blame the dude and if they paid him more than a mil to be the backup they're nuts anyway. Go with Feeley and draft a kid.

Quote from: SunMo on February 07, 2007, 10:44:22 AM
one of the main reasons that the Eagles won the games they did when Garcia was playing was because the defense had stepped up and the running game was effective.  had the rest of the team been playing the way they played when Donovan was quarterbacking, they wouldn't have won the division, and maybe not made the playoffs.

Garcia played well, but he was just another component in an entire team effort that won them the division.  i have no doubts that Feely would have done the same thing had he been the one that played.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 10:54:42 AM
wingspan says mcnabb > garcia

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2007, 11:40:02 AM
If they go back to the way things were pre-Garcia, then it doesnt matter on the QB as they will be on IR by week 8.

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2007, 11:40:02 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 10:54:42 AM
wingspan says mcnabb > garcia

FF agrees.   But it sure would be nice if the playcalling, team, and McNabb himself learned some positive lessons while Garcia was under center.  If they go back to the way things were pre-Garcia, then nearly anyone > McNabb.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 07, 2007, 11:52:26 AM
Garcia's gone. I don't consider him and option at this point. No QB is going to take less money and a backup role regardless of how great their situation is.
Feeley's cheap, has a better arm, is younger, and is a product of the system. Only problem with Feeley is Mitts isn't as hot as Carmela De Cesare.

Quote from: mussa on February 07, 2007, 11:50:52 AM

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2007, 11:40:02 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 10:54:42 AM
wingspan says mcnabb > garcia

FF agrees.   But it sure would be nice if the playcalling, team, and McNabb himself learned some positive lessons while Garcia was under center.  If they go back to the way things were pre-Garcia, then nearly anyone > McNabb.

I wouldn't go that far and say nearly anyone. 

Quote from: Munson on February 07, 2007, 04:24:13 PM
what is the thoughts here on if the Eagles were to go out and sign Domonic Rhodes?

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2007, 04:38:49 PM

Quote from: Munson on February 07, 2007, 04:24:13 PM
what is the thoughts here on if the Eagles were to go out and sign Domonic Rhodes?

I can't imagine much more of a waste.  If they sign anyone for the offense, it should be Stallworth.  Rhodes will be overpriced thanks to the ring, and the Eagles need to focus their personnel moves on defense this year.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 04:58:29 PM
but he was almost certainly was going to get 30+ TD's again, something people said he wouldn't be able to do without a TO here


actually he probably wasnt going to get 30.....never in his life has he even come close to 30 and his last three games before the injury and in the game he got hurt he was pretty friggin awful...in fact he was on a big time downward path at the time of his injury not spiraling towards 30 touchdowns

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 05:10:18 PM
TO just called eskins show out of the blue...like if me or you called...and now they are going at it

Quote from: Event Horizon on February 07, 2007, 06:23:46 PM
Did Eskin ask him what is was like to run a HOF coach out of town?

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 07, 2007, 07:06:47 PM

Quote from: Event Horizon on February 07, 2007, 06:23:46 PM
Did Eskin ask him what is was like to run a HOF coach out of town?

Link to interview (http://www.610wip.com/). Click on the link under the Podcast section on the right.

Quote from: MDS on February 07, 2007, 07:58:59 PM
Recap anything worthwhile. I'm not listening to that shtein.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 04:58:29 PM
but he was almost certainly was going to get 30+ TD's again, something people said he wouldn't be able to do without a TO here


actually he probably wasnt going to get 30.....never in his life has he even come close to 30 and his last three games before the injury and in the game he got hurt he was pretty friggin awful...in fact he was on a big time downward path at the time of his injury not spiraling towards 30 touchdowns

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 04:58:29 PM
but he was almost certainly was going to get 30+ TD's again, something people said he wouldn't be able to do without a TO here


actually he probably wasnt going to get 30.....never in his life has he even come close to 30 and his last three games before the injury and in the game he got hurt he was pretty friggin awful...in fact he was on a big time downward path at the time of his injury not spiraling towards 30 touchdowns

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 07, 2007, 09:02:36 PM
He would have had roughly 30 TD's, roughly 25 INT's, and a lot of superficial injuries.

Westbrook would be healthy and bored.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 09:05:16 PM
i suppose it could have been done but to say it certainly would have been done is a huge stretch for a guy that has proven he just is not capable of getting anywhere close to 30 without a TO...and as i said this year he had a good start but was really going downhill when he got hurt...all those factors considered i would tend to lean against him doing it

no point in arguing it tho cause once again he didnt do it

Quote from: Munson on February 07, 2007, 08:57:19 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 04:58:29 PM
but he was almost certainly was going to get 30+ TD's again, something people said he wouldn't be able to do without a TO here


actually he probably wasnt going to get 30.....never in his life has he even come close to 30 and his last three games before the injury and in the game he got hurt he was pretty friggin awful...in fact he was on a big time downward path at the time of his injury not spiraling towards 30 touchdowns

McNabb had 18 TD's before he went down. Now whether they were going to win enough games and/or get into the playoffs or not, who knows. But we all know that if McNabb never went down, Reid would have passed enough for the rest of the season for McNabb to pick up 12 more passing TD's. He would have had 6 games (the rest of the Tenn. game plus 5 more) to get 12 TD's. I think it certainly could have been done. And he did get 25 in 2001 with a much worse surrounding cast.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2007, 09:05:16 PM
i suppose it could have been done but to say it certainly would have been done is a huge stretch for a guy that has proven he just is not capable of getting anywhere close to 30 without a TO...and as i said this year he had a good start but was really going downhill when he got hurt...all those factors considered i would tend to lean against him doing it

no point in arguing it tho cause once again he didnt do it

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 10:34:58 AM
he single handedly lost the tampa game...was brutal in the jacksonville and washington games and was downright horrific in the tenn game before he got hurt...to me that doesnt bode well going for 30 td's...

but again the bottom line here is that other than ONE year with TO he has never gotten 30 and he didnt do it again this year...but if makes you feel better about him to say he would have done it this year then be proud...would have could have should have are all words of losers...

i dont even know why we are debating a hypothetical so much...probably cause we like to argue

Quote
Eagles' free agents unlikely to get tagged
Starting today, teams can designate 'franchise' players
By GEOFF MOSHER, The News Journal

Posted Thursday, February 8, 2007
Free agency is still more than three weeks away, but the first step to revamping an NFL team begins today.

Historically, though, it's not a big day for the Eagles.

Starting today and running through Feb. 22, teams can designate their franchise or transition players. The distinction is a way of keeping players from entering the free-agent market by paying them around the average of the top five or top 10 salaries at that player's position.

If a franchise-tagged player signs with someone else, the team that signs him must fork over two first-round draft picks to the team that tagged him.

The tags help salary cap gurus, such as Eagles president/capologist Joe Banner, build their team by keeping standout players without locking them into long-term contracts.

Players usually favor long-term deals over franchise tags, which is why both cases in which the Eagles have attempted to use the tag have backfired.

Two years ago, they tagged defensive tackle Corey Simon, a former No. 6 overall pick, as their franchise player with a $5.1 million payout.

An unhappy Simon, who had looked forward to cashing in on a long-term contract, held out of minicamp and training camp and the Eagles eventually removed the tag in August, allowing Simon to become a free-agent and sign with the Colts.

In 2002, linebacker Jeremiah Trotter was saddled with the franchise tag. The move angered Trotter, and the organization withdrew the tag in April and let Trotter bolt for the taterskins before coming back to the Eagles in 2004.

Nobody in this year's flock is likely to be tagged. None of their top free agents -- Donté Stallworth, Jeff Garcia and Juqua Thomas -- command a salary near the top five at their position.

On the flip side, free agents the Eagles might be targeting -- say, for example, Baltimore All-Pro linebacker Adalius Thomas or Bears linebacker Lance Briggs -- are more likely to be tagged by their teams.

Here's a breakdown of the Eagles' free agents by position and their chances of sticking around.

Quarterback

Garcia will seek a starting job elsewhere. If nothing blows his mind, he can return to the Eagles for an incentive-laden contract based on playing time.

Koy Detmer enjoyed a nice two-game comeback but probably won't be around next year. At least, not until the playoffs.

Running back

The going rate for tagged running backs is around $7 million, not the kind of cash Correll Buckhalter can expect. Brian Westbrook doesn't make that. If Reno Mahe is back, it'll probably be on a one-year deal.

Wide receiver

The Eagles are unlikely to dole out $7.6 million -- the receiver tag number -- for Stallworth, an oft-injured wideout who probably won't command that kind of money on the free-agent market.
Defensive line

Thomas is probably someone the Eagles would like to keep, but not for the $8.6 million franchise tender they'd have to pay him. Look for Thomas, a linebacker/end hybrid who was the Eagles' top pass rusher most of the season, to test the market. His versatility makes him appealing for 3-4 defensive teams that have money to spend (think New England).

Linebacker

Shawn Barber recently turned 32 and hasn't played a full season since 2003. His return status is in doubt.

Cornerback

The Eagles could franchise Rod Hood, but they'd have to pay him almost $8 million, a hefty salary for a nickel cornerback. Someone will give Hood a fat contract -- and a starting job -- but it won't be the Eagles.

Safety

Entering the 2006 season, Michael Lewis looked like a potential franchise-tag candidate. That was before the Pro Bowl safety got demoted. Lewis is likely a goner. He thinks he should start and some other team probably does, too. Quintin Mikell could also get some decent looks in the market.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 01:50:08 PM
ill say it again the whole lewis thing was a disgrace what they did to him...they deserve what they get with considine next year

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 10:34:58 AM
he single handedly lost the tampa game...was brutal in the jacksonville and washington games and was downright horrific in the tenn game before he got hurt...to me that doesnt bode well going for 30 td's...

but again the bottom line here is that other than ONE year with TO he has never gotten 30 and he didnt do it again this year...but if makes you feel better about him to say he would have done it this year then be proud...would have could have should have are all words of losers...

i dont even know why we are debating a hypothetical so much...probably cause we like to argue

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 02:25:08 PM
I'm thinking Considine will be a situational guy next year. I think we'll have a rookie take his starting spot.

either way they are getting rid of a guy because he wants too much money

even tho hes gonna go on the open market and get caked off nicely by any one of a number of teams

who realize that hes all of a sudden not a good football player simply because he got put in a couple bad situations where he had to cover a wide receiver one on one....tell me how many strong safeties in this league could stay with joe horn man up in the open field

this is another case of the eagles having a player who didnt accept their intital offer and probably wants a few more bucks than they are willing to give and once he did that much like rod hood he started to see the field less and less and now will be jettisoned and replaced by an inferior player

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 02:45:55 PM
you think mike lewis is the only run defending strong safety in the league that teams 'go after'...a strong safety was hung out to dry by a defensive line that couldnt get near the qb and all of a sudden a former probowler who is now in his prime cant play??....i dont buy it...did he have an off year sure...but if you let go all good players after they have an off or in this case a couple bad games there would be more players in free agency than on teams

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 02:56:45 PM
lewis > patterson (patterson gets rewarded with a huge contract extension)
lewis > dhani (dhani gets to play four years with the eagles)
lewis > considine (considine gets the starting gig)
lewis > darren howard (howard continues to get lots of snaps)
lewis > darwin walker (see dhani)

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 08, 2007, 03:30:26 PM
If the debate is Lewis vs. Considine, why bother?

Neither of them are a complete player and neither should be starting next year.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 08:42:22 AM
your entire argument is based on simply prorating his statistics...sports dont work like that...if you more intelligently based your argument on mcnabbs entire body of work over his career and the way he was playing at the time of his injury you would realize he most likely was not gonna get 30

you probably would be better arguing that he would have beaten his all time non TO career high of 25....thats something you can say he "certainly" would have done

Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2007, 03:51:42 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 08:42:22 AM
your entire argument is based on simply prorating his statistics...sports dont work like that...if you more intelligently based your argument on mcnabbs entire body of work over his career and the way he was playing at the time of his injury you would realize he most likely was not gonna get 30

you probably would be better arguing that he would have beaten his all time non TO career high of 25....thats something you can say he "certainly" would have done

Wrong. If I was "simply" prorating his stats, then I'd be saying he'd have to get 2 TD's every game for the rest of the year with no real trend of that happening throughout the 2006 season, and therefore no statistical evidence that he COULD have thrown 2 TD's a game for the rest of the year. Problem is, the stats show that he had at LEAST 2 paassing touchdowns in every game he played in 2006 except the Jaguars game. So, as you like to say, not throwing for at least 2 TD's in a game for 2006 was the exception, not the trend.

Again, your version of McNabb "going downhill" is that he wasn't scoring early and often like he was during the first half of the season...but he was still getting his 2 passing TD's a game, no matter how bad he/the offense were starting out games. So, even when the offense started "going downhill" in the Saints game, McNabb still threw for 2 TD's, 3 TD's, 0, TD's, and 2 TD's. Just because the Tenn. game started out slow on offense (like the Bucs game and the taterskins game) does not mean they were going to be only the 2nd team in 2006 to hold McNabb under 2 passing TDs in game.

And keep in mind that the rest of the schedule had some fluff ass defenses on it.

Edit-I love when the stats don't agree with what you have to say, because all of a sudden they are somehow flawed. But when they're on your side....they're great aren't they?

Quote from: Munson on February 08, 2007, 03:57:34 PM
If Sean can put on some muscle weight and get stronger, maybe he'd be better...but I don't like the idea of the depending on that.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 04:03:43 PM
And IGY, Sean Taylor had a "down" year? Sean Taylor still hasn't had an "up" year, he's OVERRATED, get over it dude


your opinions on the eagles rank just above king coles you think im gonna listen to them on a player you hate from a team you hate

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 08, 2007, 04:06:06 PM
igy, here's what I don't get. If the Eagles wanted to punish players like Hood and Lewis for not accepting their offer, why didn't they do the same to players like Trotter, Simon, Douglas etc. You can't tell me they weren't offered an extension at some point since the Eagles tried to retain them.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 04:16:27 PM
If the Eagles wanted to punish players like Hood and Lewis for not accepting their offer, why didn't they do the same to players like Trotter, Simon, Douglas etc.

they punished simon and trotter by tagging them even tho they full well knew they werent bringing them back

douglas they seemed to have a fine relationship with they just werent willing to pay him what he wanted...not every negotiation is going to turn contentious

Quote from: Wingspan on February 08, 2007, 04:45:37 PM
I still say they should find a new FS. Then move Dawkins to the SS spot, where speed isn't as necessary. Moving Dawkins over to the SS spot could extend his high level of play for a few seasons more.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 08, 2007, 04:48:19 PM

Quote from: Wingspan on February 08, 2007, 04:45:37 PM
I still say they should find a new FS. Then move Dawkins to the SS spot, where speed isn't as necessary. Moving Dawkins over to the SS spot could extend his high level of play for a few seasons more.

I disagree. SS is more grueling physically than FS is.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 04:44:34 PM
calm down

and stop calling me man and dood

Quote from: Wingspan on February 08, 2007, 04:51:32 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 08, 2007, 04:48:19 PM

Quote from: Wingspan on February 08, 2007, 04:45:37 PM
I still say they should find a new FS. Then move Dawkins to the SS spot, where speed isn't as necessary. Moving Dawkins over to the SS spot could extend his high level of play for a few seasons more.

I disagree. SS is more grueling physically than FS is.

What difference would that make? If anything, Dawkins stays in great shape all season. But he has lost some speed, he would fit right into the SS spot.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 04:51:51 PM
i dont think its as deep as a plan

i think the players pissed them off they had an opening to get back at them and did so...they are stubborn bastiches same way as when they negotiate with free agents and the player doesnt immediately accept their offer thats it its over get out of here

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 04:53:21 PM
I disagree. SS is more grueling physically than FS is.

i think wing is saying that with dawkins aging and losing a step or two those steps wont be as apparent at the ss position

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 04:53:21 PM
I disagree. SS is more grueling physically than FS is.

i think wing is saying that with dawkins aging and losing a step or two those steps wont be as apparent at the ss position

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 04:44:34 PMand stop calling me man and dood

Quote from: Diomedes on February 08, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
an uppity Negress, actually

Quote from: SunMo on February 08, 2007, 05:19:49 PM
take your farging warfish turn munson

QuoteGRUDEN EYEING RETURN TO PHILLY?

There's persistent talk in league circles that Bucs coach Jon Gruden is hoping to become the head coach of the Eagles if/when Andy Reid packs it in.

And given the current travails of Reid's sons, which are prompting all sorts of speculation that Reid might call it quits, Gruden's opportunity could come sooner rather than later.

But let's be clear.  We're not reporting that Reid is out, or that if he's out Gruden is in.  All we're saying is that the talk in league circles is that Gruden wants the job, if/when the job comes open.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 09:27:13 PM
please allah

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 08, 2007, 10:03:27 PM
If Reid did step down I think Gruden would be a great option. He has a Superbowl under his belt and took a 4-12 Raiders team and built them into SB contenders. The Bucs traded away two 1sts and two 2nds to get him so its not like he's gotten a lot of help in the draft. Plus, it's not like we're getting Cowher.

Quote from: Wingspan on February 08, 2007, 10:09:22 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 08, 2007, 10:03:27 PM
If Reid did step down I think Gruden would be a great option. He has a Superbowl under his belt and took a 4-12 Raiders team and built them into SB contenders. The Bucs traded away two 1sts and two 2nds to get him so its not like he's gotten a lot of help in the draft. Plus, it's not like we're getting Cowher.

And then he took a Super Bowl team to a 4-12 record.

Gruden? No farging thanks.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 08, 2007, 10:12:49 PM
Sort of like what Cowher did with the Steelers this season, are you telling me you wouldn't want him as coach?

Quote from: Wingspan on February 08, 2007, 10:23:17 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 08, 2007, 10:12:49 PM
Sort of like what Cowher did with the Steelers this season, are you telling me you wouldn't want him as coach?

That was a fun way to twist that. Jon Gruden is no Bill Cowher.

Besides, Cowher did lose 4 AFC Championship games at home, and a superbowl in his 1st 13 years as coach.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 08, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
Gruden isn't available either. And its kind of late in the game to be getting a new coach. The Eagles would most likely have to give up something to get him and I don't wanna do that. Especially for Gruden.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 08, 2007, 10:49:24 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 08, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
Gruden isn't available either. And its kind of late in the game to be getting a new coach. The Eagles would most likely have to give up something to get him and I don't wanna do that. Especially for Gruden.

This is an unlikely scenario but the original post that started this conversation was if Reid were to step down than Gruden would be interested. Which begs the question, if not Gruden than who? Only person out there I can think of is Rivera, and he hasn't gotten much consideration outside of Dallas (which somewhat baffles me)

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2007, 10:14:33 PM
Sort of like what Cowher did with the Steelers this season, are you telling me you wouldn't want him as coach?

no way....who would want a coach that has won a superbowl and is a huge upgrade over what the eagles have....would he be choice #1 not necessarily...but there would haver to be someone pretty damn good out there to not take gruden over reid

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2007, 07:56:24 AM
fine hes a terrible coach...then what does that make andy

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2007, 09:17:50 AM
im beginning to wonder if there are any good coaches in the league besides andy reid

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 09, 2007, 09:21:23 AM
Nope.  He's the bestestest.

Quote from: General_Failure on February 09, 2007, 10:31:54 AMAnd of course, Gruden's famous "blame player Z when things go wrong" technique.

Quote from: SunMo on February 09, 2007, 09:16:22 AM
so he doesn't get credit for taking Dungy's team to the Super Bowl, but he also doesn't get credit for the Raiders team that he played in the Super Bowl?  makes sense.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2007, 12:33:55 PM
John Gruden, who IGY is parading as the 2nd coming

link?...if you can find one comment ive made where i even said he was a great coach ill never post here again...but alas you wont be able to...youre slowly drifting from homertastic idiot to parody poster

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on February 09, 2007, 01:55:26 PM
I think Gruden can coach a game, and has come up big in big situations

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 09, 2007, 02:23:29 PM
That's the most idiotic Eagles-related thing you've ever posted by far.  Art Shell is horrendous.

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 09, 2007, 02:38:45 PM...a notch below gay jokes and soundly defeated by AIDS, z-OMG, and !&*!@%!4.

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 09, 2007, 02:38:45 PMHyperbole is overused on this board to the point of being completely ineffectual and unfunny.  It's a notch below gay jokes and soundly defeated by AIDS, z-OMG, and !&*!@%!4.

Quote from: Beermonkey on February 09, 2007, 03:22:43 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 09, 2007, 02:38:45 PMHyperbole is overused on this board to the point of being completely ineffectual and unfunny.  It's a notch below gay jokes and soundly defeated by AIDS, z-OMG, and !&*!@%!4.

Add in "stangle me", "burn me", "stab me" & "launch xxxxx into the sun", 95% of our arsenal is gone, leaving only some unfunny references to ball gags & fleshlights.