The 2007 Offseason Thread

[The BIGSTUD]

Just a thought, but I am pretty sure you wouldn't want your first round pick to be a "good guy in the rotation".

There isn't a chance in hell Carriker is there at 26.

but he is more of a 3-4 guy

he could be in the 4-3 though.

.....right.

When you rotate as much as JJ does, there is nothing wrong with being a rotational guy. When Kearse is healthy that is exactly what Trent Cole is. Also Moss would be insurance if Darren Howard sucks and can't produce.

and you are an idiot. Just because someone is best suited for a 3-4 doesn't mean they can't play in the 4-3.

[rjs246]

Trent Cole was a 4th rounder. Not a first rounder. Dipshtein.

[The BIGSTUD]

if Sean Considine is the starting safety next year, the defense will rank in the bottom 10 in the league.  i don't care how much he weighs

Sean Considine wasn't the guy that broke our defense last season. Go back to the playoff game against the Saints. How much of the run defense woes were the fault of Sean Considine? Very little. If the front 7 plays well then the defense won't be bottom 10. I don't care what Considine does.

[The BIGSTUD]

Trent Cole was a 4th rounder. Not a first rounder. Dipshtein.

No, he was a 5th rounder, but he is still our best pass rusher. Is he not? I thought the whole point of the draft was to find good football players. Moss is a good football player, and will help this team.

[rjs246]

Even more to my point. He's a good pass-rusher, simply because he's used in a rotation. First rounders should be contributing on more than 45 snaps a game.

[The BIGSTUD]

If teams could do over the 2005 draft, then Trent Cole would be a late first rounder to mid 2nd rounder. With Darren Howard sucking last year and being old, and Kearse coming off an injury and getting older, Moss would be a very good pick. He isn't going to be a starter his rookie year, but once he develops more he will break out of that rotational guy mold that he'd  be as a rookie and become a starter down the line.

Assuming we sign Doss, I don't see many players that will be there at 26 who will come in and be major starters in their rookie year. So either way, I think who we draft will be used in some type of limited role.

[Dillen]

I don't think he'll be a pro bowler, but he'd be a good guy in the rotation. I like Carriker a lot, but he is more of a 3-4 guy. I think if the Eagles really wanted him to and he fell, he could be in the 4-3 though.

Moss is a waste of a pick if you intend on using him "in the rotation." You want a guy who is going to start. Period. I wouldnt be surprised if this is the last year that bother Kearse and Howard are on the team. It's okay if Cole wasnt a projected starter (although he's probably already locked up a future spot as a starter after what he's done) because he was a 5th rounder. "A good rotation guy" doesnt work when there arent guys to rotate.

Carriker is going to be a stud in any defense. He could be a dominant DE in a 3-4 or 4-3. There is no chance in hell he's there at 26, and it would not surprise me at all if they traded up for him.

[The BIGSTUD]

I don't think he'll be a pro bowler, but he'd be a good guy in the rotation. I like Carriker a lot, but he is more of a 3-4 guy. I think if the Eagles really wanted him to and he fell, he could be in the 4-3 though.

Moss is a waste of a pick if you intend on using him "in the rotation." You want a guy who is going to start. Period. I wouldnt be surprised if this is the last year that bother Kearse and Howard are on the team. It's okay if Cole wasnt a projected starter (although he's probably already locked up a future spot as a starter after what he's done) because he was a 5th rounder. "A good rotation guy" doesnt work when there arent guys to rotate.

Carriker is going to be a stud in any defense. He could be a dominant DE in a 3-4 or 4-3. There is no chance in hell he's there at 26, and it would not surprise me at all if they traded up for him.

Can you see anyone being there at 26 though who will be a starter besides at the safety spot? Any corner we got would be a nickel, any LB we could get wouldn't start, any DT we got wouldn't start. I doubt we pick offense in the first round, but even so, I don't see anyone we could pick who would get the big-time starter minutes there either.

We are deeper at d-line than a lot of other spots, so Moss might get less time, but the depth we have is really a question mark with Kearse and Howard.

[mussa]

get the gun, get the gun....shoot, shoot, shoot...

[PhillyPhanInDC]

and you are an idiot. Just because someone is best suited for a 3-4 doesn't mean they can't play in the 4-3.

I'm an idiot? Am I the one posting here like I am some kind of seasoned NFL scout? Do you have any more of a clue who is going to be good, great, and terrible than anyone else? No more than I, or anyone else who posts here. You're not an idiot, you are a pompous ass.

Evidence:

I don't think he'll be a pro bowler, but he'd be a good guy in the rotation. I like Carriker a lot, but he is more of a 3-4 guy. I think if the Eagles really wanted him to and he fell, he could be in the 4-3 though.

You said the Eagles should use their first pick on a "good guy" in the defensive line rotation. Exellent expectations for a first rounder. That's right in line with every NFL teams expectations of a first round selection: "He'll be a good situational player." Douche.

Then, when you see you're wrong, you come back with this:

If teams could do over the 2005 draft, then Trent Cole would be a late first rounder to mid 2nd rounder. With Darren Howard sucking last year and being old, and Kearse coming off an injury and getting older, Moss would be a very good pick. He isn't going to be a starter his rookie year, but once he develops more he will break out of that rotational guy mold that he'd  be as a rookie and become a starter down the line.

So now he's goes from being a "good guy" in the rotation to breaking out of the mold?

In the same post:

Assuming we sign Doss, I don't see many players that will be there at 26 who will come in and be major starters in their rookie year. So either way, I think who we draft will be used in some type of limited role.

Nobody there to be a starter at 26? Let's just go by a lot of mocks: Michael Griffin, Lawrence Timmons, Reggie Nelson, Darelle Revis, Aaron Ross, Chris Houston, just to name a few. Oh and what farg is a major starter?

[rjs246]

Ignore. Function.

[The BIGSTUD]

and you are an idiot. Just because someone is best suited for a 3-4 doesn't mean they can't play in the 4-3.

I'm an idiot? Am I the one posting here like I am some kind of seasoned NFL scout? Do you have any more of a clue who is going to be good, great, and terrible than anyone else? No more than I, or anyone else who posts here. You're not an idiot, you are a pompous ass.

Pompous ass? You are the epitome of pompous. Listen to yourself, you sound like a bumbling moron. All I am giving is my opinions on who I like on the draft... nothing more. It is called a discussion. If you had an IQ of more than 30, you might understand that. Too bad your head is so far up your own ass and you couldn't figure that out if you wanted too. You really need to get over yourself man. Making assumptions on my character is ignorant and immature. You take things personally and attack every post I make. You really need to get a life.

You said the Eagles should use their first pick on a "good guy" in the defensive line rotation. Exellent expectations for a first rounder. That's right in line with every NFL teams expectations of a first round selection: "He'll be a good situational player." Douche.

That is exactly what the Eagles are going to expect out of their pick this year. Hasn't Spadaro's last 5 articles on the draft told you enough? Talking about how the Eagles are pretty much set at every position as far as starters go, and you can bet that the Eagles agree with this. No player we get at 26 is going to be a full-time starter. Excluding safety because this whole debate started with the assumption that we sign Doss, and don't take safety in round 1. Of course this is all my opinion. Maybe I should say "in my opinion" after every post I make for your sake. So I don't come off as "pompous" and an "NFL scout" 

Then, when you see you're wrong, you come back with this:

So now he's goes from being a "good guy" in the rotation to breaking out of the mold?

Breaking out of the mold... to become a starter. Which means take over for Kearse or Howard as a starting DE down the line. Meanwhile JJ will rotate him in. Doesn't take a genius to figure this stuff out. But with you I guess that is too much to ask.

Nobody there to be a starter at 26? Let's just go by a lot of mocks: Michael Griffin, Lawrence Timmons, Reggie Nelson, Darelle Revis, Aaron Ross, Chris Houston, just to name a few. Oh and what farg is a major starter?

A major starter is a guy who is on the field on every down. A nickel corner is not on the field during every down. Therefore he is not a major starter. Do you really think Ross, Houston, Revis will start over Lito or Sheldon? Do you really think Timmons would start over Gaither or Spikes at WILL? As for your safeties, if you weren't so stupid you would've read that I said "Assuming we sign Doss and don't go safety in the first round."'

Now I expect some lame, immature insult or point singling-out proving you take message boards much too seriously as your personal attacks and constant critiquing has already shown here. After all, you started this beef. All I do is post here. If you don't agree with it then fine, but you've made it personal.

[PhillyPhanInDC]

I think I'm going to take RJS's advice. Just about everyone on the board pretty much bypasses your asinine posts and rarely comment on them. I think I'll join the team.

[The BIGSTUD]

I figured you'd take the Hoyda way out, because that is what you are.

Have fun 

[ice grillin you]

Ignore. Function.

WINNER

i dont know why you guys continue to address that idiot