The 2007 Offseason Thread

[The BIGSTUD]

All Mikell and Thomas are is a built in excuse that when fans say they don't re-sign their good players(Stallworth, Garcia) Banner comes out and says that they do sign their own guys... just look at Mikell and Thomas. They were key contributors last season, blah blah blah.

[Beermonkey]

christ...i never saw so much commotion over a mediocre player


i know its absolutely unreal

he was undrafted and got cut by the titans

how does the front office get so many eagle fans to buy into this stuff...to get excited about some guy called juqua thomas...its kinda scary actually

Where's all this commotion that you guys are talking about? All I see is FF changing font sizes. Maybe you're confusing this with Garcia-mania.

[General_Failure]

Garcia hasn't been a good player in a few years now. Anybody that thought he was getting resigned (or thought he wouldn't because he threatened McNabb's position) is one noggin knocker away from drooling constantly.

[troyhstewart]

All Mikell and Thomas are is a built in excuse that when fans say they don't re-sign their good players(Stallworth, Garcia) Banner comes out and says that they do sign their own guys... just look at Mikell and Thomas. They were key contributors last season, blah blah blah.

I haven't seen news of Thomas signing, but I have no problem with  what the Eagles have done so far. Stallworth is not worthy of a Reggie Wayne type contract. Let somebody else overpay him. My beef is with their piss poor drafting during the Reid era.

[The BIGSTUD]

All Mikell and Thomas are is a built in excuse that when fans say they don't re-sign their good players(Stallworth, Garcia) Banner comes out and says that they do sign their own guys... just look at Mikell and Thomas. They were key contributors last season, blah blah blah.

I haven't seen news of Thomas signing, but I have no problem with  what the Eagles have done so far. Stallworth is not worthy of a Reggie Wayne type contract. Let somebody else overpay him. My beef is with their piss poor drafting during the Reid era.

What is the alternative though? Sure, they won't commit ridiculous money to Stallworth, but does it make the team better? To me that is the most important thing. Money should only be a factor to a certain point. If someone offers him the rumored deal with 6 years 40 million/18 million SB then fine. Let him go. But if it is 6 years 35 million with 12 million SB then sign him. Because again, it will be nice to not overpay, but then the next day when that wears off you are like oops our starting WRs are Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett.

Baskett might be good for a while, but be honest. Would you be comfortable if somehow the Eagles made it to the next Superbowl and we were going up against an AFC powerhouse with Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett? Not to mention McNabb may be hobbled and not be able to buy time with his legs anymore, thus making Baskett less effective. He is slow and has trouble getting open.

[Munson]

Hopefully they can get Mikell to challenge Considine or something. What sucks about losing Mike Lewis is that right now we don't have a starter over 6'0 tall. At least I'm pretty sure COnsidine isn't that tall, and even if he is, he still has proven to suck so far.

I'm glad someone else realizes Stallworth isn't worth the money he's asking for. Of course I'd like them to find some middle ground and sign him for a lesser price tag, but I'm not holding my breath like a few others around here want to do on it. I see no reason why Drew Rosenhaus is going to be friendly with these negotiations with the Eagles. If he resigns, it'll be a miracle, and I'll love the Eagles FO for at least a day or two.

[ice grillin you]

stop bringing up rosenhaus...hes no different than any other agent and the eagles have had good relations with him and still do...stop being brainwashed by people who try to lump rosenhaus in with TO...rosenhaus is no different than any other agent except hes more well known

but I'm not holding my breath like a few others around here want to do on it

show me where one single person thinks the eagles will resign stallworth...i think demon has said it but im pretty sure in tongue and cheek

like ff said youre using the fact that they wont sign him to try to validate not signing him

at the end of day when all this is over i want you to point out the players you would rather have had the eagles signed than stallworth...im talking in free agency..because mikell and thomas dont count as the eagles could easily sign stallworth even after signing two backups


Hopefully they can get Mikell to challenge Considine or something

mikell is a great special teamer a guy every team needs and im glad they resigned him but hes not a nfl safety

the eagles future and for that matter present at safety is kind of disheartining right with dawkins aging and nothing else on the team at that spot....i really hope they get one of the three big safeties (griffin - nelson - landry) in the first round this year

[ice grillin you]

The commitment to the 26-year-old Mikell through 2010 officially ends the up-and-down tenure of strong safety Michael Lewis, who is one of nine players (exclud ing Thomas) free to hit the open market at midnight Friday.

But not before a few parting shots aimed at the Eagles' front office.

"I had a wonderful five years," said Lewis, who fell out of favor during a sub-par 2005 season -- one year after making his only Pro Bowl. "We built something great here with Brian Dawkins, Troy Vin cent, Donovan McNabb and the others. But outside of those guys in the locker room and the coaching staff, I really don't have much to say about the organization. The week prior to me getting benched (at New Orleans, Oct. 15) I was told I was having an excellent season. Then I give up a big play (48-yard touchdown pass to Joe Horn) and I am benched?"

One look at the sizeable gap between what Lewis and agent Rod ney Williams wanted prior to training camp, and what the Eagles were willing to pay, signaled the be ginning of the end for the team's second-round pick from Colorado in 2002.

"Based on what they told us back then, we knew I probably wouldn't be back," said Lewis, a solid run stopper but seen as a liability in pass coverage. "I think my resumé speaks for itself. I make plays and I've been to the Pro Bowl. I know all of those guys in that locker room were in my corner last year. I love the city of Philadelphia and all the things I was able to accomplish there, but this is just the way (the Eagles) do business. Put it this way: wherever I go, that team is going to appreciate me and what I bring to the table -- on and off the field. I will be appreciated."

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Bob Sanders is 5'8" and one of the best safeties in the league.  I'd mame to have him on the Eagles.

Oh, and Mike Lewis leaving certainly is far from "addition by subtraction"... because they don't have anyone to truly and adequately take his place that can do any better overall.  That said, he makes a ton of big mistakes to go with his fair share of big plays and is really not a great player by any means.

[ice grillin you]

That said, he makes a ton of big mistakes to go

no he doesnt...he made a couple really bad errors in a short time span this year that got played over and over because the eagles benched since he wouldnt sign at their terms

he was a good to very good player for four years while he was signed up...then in his contract year he all of a sudden becomes a scrub

im not trying to get into this again so dont respond just think about it

[Zanshin]

Dude, he was a tremendous liability last year.  It wasn't about one play.  You have a short memory, if you think otherwise.  The year before, he was very good...last year he was a consistent problem when starting.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

im not trying to get into this again so dont respond just think about it

Yes, we know you love the safeties that can't cover to save their life but are big, black, and strong.

[SD_Eagle5]

Dude, he was a tremendous liability last year.  It wasn't about one play.  You have a short memory, if you think otherwise.  The year before, he was very good...last year he was a consistent problem when starting.

I agree, his poor pass coverage wasn't an isolated incident, the week before the Saints game he went for an awful fake, got burnt deep and was called for P.I. almost blowing the Dallas game.

[ice grillin you]

right a couple bad plays (dallas and no)...when he played the team was much better than when considine played...lewis went out and they lost four of five...lewis was put back in the mix and the defense played much better winning five in a row

the point here is dont buy into the teams propaganda that lewis is a scrub...hes a good nfl safety and will go on to another team and play well for them...i wont kill the team for not resigning him because i wanna see what kind of money he gets...as he is definitely a candidate to be overpaid on the open market...but what i will slam the team for is alienating a good player for no other reason than he wouldnt sign with you for cheap

why cant the eagles agree to disagree with him but respect his position let him hit the market to judge his value and then see if youd like to bring him back...instead they act like bitter iceholes and cut all ties with him leaving no room to negotiate and in turn leave the team in a precarious position not just last year (for example he didnt play in the saints playoff game even tho the team was getting gouged in the run game) but also going into next year with quinten mikell and sean considine as two of your top three safties...thats a joke

[Diomedes]

That said, he makes a ton of big mistakes to go

no he doesnt...he made a couple really bad errors...

No.  He was a glaring weakness.  He didn't just get burned on big plays, he let up medium plays because he bit on the pump to the underneath route, or on the play action.  Stop with the "it' was only a couple plays" crap.