A lot of this is getting lost in the Texans game thread.
My initial thought is that the Giants outplayed a good Indy team last night, but lost. They will come into the Linc next week angry and hungry, and if the Eagles don't show up and play smart, intense football... Let's just say that the Giants are looking like a good team overall. Very good.
The Colts were without their "run-stuffer" Corey Simon, but is their front seven really that bad, or is the Giants' running game really that good? I think it's some of both.
The Giants' offense should be scary to every team in the league.
The key to beating them will QB pressure. If the Eagles can get to Eli, and keep the Giants from getting to McNabb, the Eagles should win. If they give Eli time are are chasing McNabb around the backfield all day this game is a loss.
Before I go on to say anything else in this thread, I have to say Tiki deserves mad respeck!! The guy is dangerous.
He was nothing short of awesome last night. No TDs, but every time the guy got a touch, they had to move the chains.
Barber - 18 carries for 110 yards - a 6.2 ypc average.
Jacobs - 8 carries for 54 yards and a TD - a 6.8 ypc average.
Even with that, Coughlin called more pass plays than runs. I guess he got caught up in the Manning Bowl hype too.
#1 the defense has to have a huge game (including some turnovers on the giants side of the field) because i dont see the eagles offense going toe to toe with the giants
that happens and the birds win
i personally dont they they are good enough to do that
tho likely not to happen it would also be nice to see the o line dominant like they were yesterday
id like to see the eagle try to exploit the interior of the giants dl...imo they are weak there and andrews runyan vs robbins joseph et al is a mismatch that needs to be exploited....it would also limit the amount of time that strahan and osi can try to work their magic off the edges...again not going to happen but a man can wish...
Jacobs is farging huge. He's still pretty damn rough, but he's way faster than a man that size should be. I think Tiki's performance was closer to what we can expect from him than Jacobs' performance. Either way, Philly's D needs to wipe the smile of victory off their faces and get to work. It's gonna be tough.
If the Eagles can be aggressive enough to get to the QB-- without getting gashed by the run-- they'll win. If not, they won't.
The Giant's running game looked really good last night, but a lot of that had to do with the Colt's pass rushers getting too wide and/or manhandled. The speed/aggressiveness of Freeney and Mathis were exploited time and again.
I also think this could be one of those games where we see McNabb run more than usual.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 11, 2006, 09:58:10 AM
I also think this could be one of those games where we see McNabb run more than usual.
We say that a lot, and it never happens. Just like the Colts did on the edges, I hope McNabb is able to take a step or two up to avoid the outside rush and make plays down the field. The Colts' interior line buckled a few times, and I'm hoping the Eagles can avoid that.
We say that a lot, and it never happens
yep...im done hoping for it...if it happens its a huge bonus
I don't say that much. But I'll go out on that limb this week. I'll say McNabb scrambles for a few key first downs. Hopefully, the Giants will then have to dedicate more of a spy to open up the pass.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 11, 2006, 10:38:04 AM
I don't say that much. But I'll go out on that limb this week. I'll say McNabb scrambles for a few key first downs. Hopefully, the Giants will then have to dedicate more of a spy to open up the pass.
Considering he didn't in week 1, I'd just be glad if he helped the team running the ball more than the opposing QB.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 11, 2006, 09:42:51 AM
The Giants' offense should be scary to every team in the league.
The key to beating them will QB pressure. If the Eagles can get to Eli, and keep the Giants from getting to McNabb, the Eagles should win. If they give Eli time are are chasing McNabb around the backfield all day this game is a loss.
That offense goes completely around Tiki, if they dedicate themselved to limiting his yardage they can win.
the giants o-line stuffed the best pass defender in the game. this is my biggest concern. if we don't get pressure on Eli we could be in for a long day. Our D needs to step it up. I'm not too concerned about our offense, we should be able to score on their D.
Stuffed, yes. But Freeney was also double/triple teamed all night. The Colts were not getting any pressure from anywhere along that line. With Howard we finally saw Kearse in backfield and got good push from our DL. The same can be said about Freeney...that the Colts need to add someone or someone has to step up along that Dline to take some focus off of him.
Raheem Brock is starting at defensive tackle for the Colts. EI have nothing to contribute.
litos ankle is fairly serious
def out for the giant game
gonna take it week by week
but it appears to be long term
My biggest concern isn't if the Eagles can/will points up. They'll score plenty. The Giants' D doesn't really scare me much, especially the with the way the offensive line has been dominating lately.
It's the defense that will win or lose this game.
The Giants O-line looked good against the one of the best DE combos in the league, but the Colts' interior D-line isn't so hot, especially without Simon. This week the Giants will have to contend with and snuff Patterson, Walker, Ramsey, Bunkley and Howard (on passing downs), while worrying about Kearse, Cole, Thomas, McDougle, and Howard off the edge. That's a tall order. I am thinking the Giants are just going to run at them hard and often in the first two quarters, and then use play action tons if the running game gets traction. If they can put a lot of pressure on Eli to win the game by at least slowing the run, that is a big bonus. After that, Shockey won't be shutout, but he has to be kept in check. This makes me the most nervous. Against the Texans, Lewis didn't look so hot, but Dhani for the most part seemed to keep the Texans TEs minimalized. Shockey is a million times better than the Putzier (sp?), so Dhani and Lewis are going to get tested big time.
If the Eagles can keep the Giants' run game slowed down, and minimize Shockey and Plastic-ho, the Birds' offense, I feel, will have enough points on the board by that time that Eli and Co. will have to go into pass happy mode, which suits the Eagles just fine. J.J will dial up the pressure and blitzes, and the Birds will walk out with the win.
My predictions are:
Offense:
-McNabb has another big game
-C-Buck and Westy get big yardage carrying the ball, and Reid continues to pound the ball later in the game with a lead.
-Brown has the big game this time around, as Stallworth will be pulling double coverage almost the entire game. I see 6-9 catches and score for Reggie.
-L.J. continues on his way to the pro-bowl, 6-7 catches, 60 yards and a score.
-Stallworth is smothered constantly, but still chips in with 4-5 catches, and 50-60 yards.
-The line is solid, but lets up a sack or two. They push the Giants line up and down the field, and McNabb has a nice pocket for most of the day.
Defense:
-Dhani gets owned, Shockey has himself a nice day.
-The line(s) play solid, and I think we see alot more of Ramsey this week to help slow the Giants run game. 3-4 sacks and a fumble. They slow the run game just enough that the Giants can't go up and down the field, and Manning has to drop back to pass more than Coughlin is comfortable with.
-McCoy continues to impress.
-The DBs limit Plaxico and Toomer to about 10-12 catches for about 100-120 yards, and a score, between them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 12:10:35 PM
litos ankle is fairly serious
def out for the giant game
gonna take it week by week
but it appears to be long term
They almost have to make a trade for a CB, or this could be big trouble all year long. Again.
hanson is now the third cb...andy not worried about him at all
mentioned strickland as well
and also said that they will be looking to bring in a cb
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 12:15:42 PM
hanson is now the third cb...andy not worried about him at all
mentioned strickland as well
and also said that they will be looking to bring in a cb
Who is a possiblity? ???
not if our d-line gets penetration
farging Lito. Ugh.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 12:10:35 PM
litos ankle is fairly serious
def out for the giant game
gonna take it week by week
but it appears to be long term
link?
They need to get someone that can play 4th CB and also return kicks, because Perry sucks and will be the guy cut to make room for them to add a guy- assuming Lito isn't going to IR.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 11, 2006, 12:18:02 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 12:10:35 PM
litos ankle is fairly serious
def out for the giant game
gonna take it week by week
but it appears to be long term
link?
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=55167
nothing about it being long term, but REid said its significant.
I'm not worried about Tiki so much as I am Plaxico and the redneck. If Eli has enough time to throw to them after Tiki marches them downfield, it's going to be an ugly game.
Who is a possiblity?
like i said he mentioned strickland...but it hardly sounded like that was a definite
other possibles?
i think ray mickens is out there
isnt ashley ambrose as well
i think he got scooped up by someone but if he didnt i know the giants cut curtis deloatch who isnt very good but started for them last year....getting a guy to play against the team that just cut him might not be bad move
Strickland has to be the assumed front-runner, but trading for some talent wouldn't be a bad idea. Not likely to happen, though.
Get Al Harris!
It's gotta be Strickland. He already knows JJ's defense and up until a week or so ago... he was a part of it.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 11, 2006, 12:42:16 PM
trading for some talent wouldn't be a bad idea. Not likely to happen, though.
My thoughts exactly.
Well, we got Stallworth for a fourth and Simoneau. I say we try to pry away Mike McKenzie for a fifth and Jason Short.
NJ.com: Pierce talks poop (http://www.nj.com/giants/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1157956720268110.xml&coll=1&thispage=2)
QuoteIt didn't take long for LB Antonio Pierce to start looking ahead to Sunday's game in Philadelphia. That's because he suffered a season-ending ankle injury on what he believes was a questionable hit by the Eagles last Dec. 11, during a 26-23 victory.
Pierce, the Giants' leading tackler at the time, suffered ligament damage and missed the final three regular-season games and the playoff loss to the Carolina Panthers.
"I owe them one," Pierce said. "They took me out. Everybody who was on the field when they hurt me last year has one coming. I feel like it was a dirty play, so I'll have one for them."
Wah... it's football, you bitch... grow the farg up.
What a vadge.
Quote"They took me out. Everybody who was on the field when they hurt me last year has one coming. I feel like it was a dirty play, so I'll have one for them."
I bet McMahon, Moats, Parry, McMullen and Hicks are shaking in fear...
ha, i was thinking the same thing BigEd.
So, it's Runyan, Manneans, LJ, Brown?
It would be nice if the other team's starting MLB got himself kicked out of a key game for a change.
It was nice of him to make sure everyone will be looking for him to do something. I'm sure the handful of players remaining are petrified with fear and the NFL thinks it's a great idea.
if i know runyan (and on a personal level i don't) he'd probably laugh if he was told about the threat.
all you haters shouldnt
the eagles need more players like ap...they have one in trotter and if he had said all that youd be blowing him (and rightfully so)
It means nothing until he actually does try to retaliate on the field anyway.
btw i just looked it up and curtis deloatch is a saint
That's a shame. The Giants' secondary is so filled with talent that their castoffs would be super on the Eagles.
id take a young guy who started all last season as my 4th corner in a heartbeat
This will be a tough game no doubt. The Eagles are the better team though, so I think we pull out a close game.
Tiki is going to get his, you have to stop Eli. You can't give him all day, because he is easily rattled. I agree with who said taking Eli and Plexiglass out is the key. Get physical with Plexi and he melts.
I just hope we have the balls to play smash mouth football with the Giants this week. None of this Hoyda finesse bullshtein. We need to smack them in the face because we're gonna get kicked in the stomach. I'll take a win on a field goal against N.Y.
I would love it if Eli Manning was re-introduced to the NFL again by the McDougle Welcoming Party Company.
If the Giants don't win this one, things get really interesting for them...
at Seattle
BYE
Washington
at Atlanta
at Dallas
don't you mean WHEN BigE?
If the Giants don't win this one, things get really interesting for them
one of the reasons i think they win
i almost wish they had won last night.....almost
Giants seemed to get away from the Run late in the third quarter then didnt resurface until 10:00 mins into the 4th. Very inconsistent considering they were averaging like 8yds a carry
i don't see sam madison and corey webster as much of an upgrade over our starters, if at all.
what ever happened to will peterson?
as most of u guys stated...our offense im not worried about but our pass D already looking a lil medioce yesterday is now missing lito. and the giants can kill us both by running and passing...thier passing attack is much better than the texans as they have a great pass catching RB in tiki, great TE in shockey, and 2 good WRs. our hope is to pressure ELI all day. that means we have to get them to 3rd and longs....as in 5 yds or more so we can go and hit ELI.
any word on LJ? he came out of the game yesterday. is he ok?
Dexter Wynn appears to be the guy who they will sign. Why? Who the hell knows. But Donald Strickland was better than him in the PS.
Unless they plan on releasing Reno to make room for him (since Dex returns punts - well, he stands back there and catches them [sometime] he doesn't really return 'em)
I knew IGY would be on Pierce's nuts because he said that.
Sam Madison and Corey Webster can be beaten. Advantage Eagles.
Plax and Toomer can beat Hood and Brown. Gotta get in Eli's face...a lot.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
i almost wish they had won last night.....almost
i agree, this is going to be as close to a "must win" in September as you can get
If I remember correctly, Strahan said the same thing as Pierce. Pierce isn't stupid enough to try and hurt someone on purpose. If he does, he could be suspended for the season or even expelled from the league. That's a huge no-no. He's just trying to get in people's heads.
Well it worked. I'm not leaving my house until I know that psycho is back in New Jersey. :paranoid
I knew IGY would be on Pierce's nuts because he said that.
it has nothing to do with pierce...i love that kind of talk in general...
i agree, this is going to be as close to a "must win" in September as you can get
yep...i was just telling one of my boys that i think this is win and in lose and out of the playoffs this week for the eagles...i know it sounds crazy and probably is but i truly believe it...the way the sked qworks out now this game and the skins game that follows the bye are by far the two biggest games of the year..
I expect ALOT of underneath passing to Shockey and Tiki out of the backfield which spells trouble if they dont get a pass rush. The Eagles were piss poor early in the game and it was very discouraging
The LB's were a major concern before the season started and they are a concern after 1 game with the Texans. It was obvious that the OL of the Texans wore down as the game progressed, and we took advantage midway through the 3rd quarter. Hope that we can do that again, because if the Giants jump out of the gates early, it will be tough playing catchup against that offense
Quote from: phattymatty on September 11, 2006, 04:31:01 PM
what ever happened to will peterson?
He was released earlier in the year. Some sort of stress fracture in the vertebrae that kept re-occuring did him in. I'm not sure, but I think he did retire after being let go.......
As for Sunday? Who knows?
As has been the case far to often over the years it's going to depend on what Giants team shows up. Last night was a perfect example of Giants football........a game where they held their own against one of the elite teams in the league, but end up losing because they shot themselves in their collective feet.
What should have been sure INT's were dropped thus allowing three different Indy scoring drives to continue..........Three dropped INTS = 13 points for the Colts.....add to the mix several unforced bone head mistakes: game over.
If the Giants come out clicking on all cylinders they win. If they come out and continue to make unforced errors the Eagles are going to punish them.
If the Giants come out clicking on all cylinders they win. If they come out and continue to make unforced errors the Eagles are going to punish them.
yeah because the eagles could never come out and just straight up beat such a superior team as the giants
exactly :=)
Sure.
Quote from: Gene on September 11, 2006, 09:55:14 PM
If the Giants come out clicking on all cylinders they win. If they come out and continue to make unforced errors the Eagles are going to punish them.
Funny. That's exactly how I feel about the Eagles.
The Eagles D is gonna' have to suck it up and knock Eli on his ass. This is a perfect example of why Reid drafted a D-lineman first, because we need to get to the quarterback. We need a big game from the whole line, Bunkley, Patterson, and Kearse in particular. It's time for some good old NFC smashmouth football. If the D doesn't get to Eli and put him to the turf, we lose this game. It's that simple. This is the perfect game to show the fans at their home stadium that the Eagles are back on top of the NFC East.
I think with a healthy Bwest on the field, McNabb won't have too much of a problem getting the ball in the end zone. I'd say it's going to take at least 24 pts. to win this game.
It would be soooo nice to put last years division winners down 0-2.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 12, 2006, 02:22:39 AM
Quote from: Gene on September 11, 2006, 09:55:14 PM
If the Giants come out clicking on all cylinders they win. If they come out and continue to make unforced errors the Eagles are going to punish them.
Funny. That's exactly how I feel about the Eagles.
The Eagles are going to punish the Eagles if they make unforced errors!
the giants have more cylinders than any team in the league
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2006, 08:21:26 AM
the giants have more cylinders than any team in the league
Especially in Strahan's locker.
Eagles may need to give McCoy some help or possibly start Barber this weekend. If Brandon Jacobs runs at him he will get flattened like a pancake. Eagles also need to spy on TIki and those damn screen and swing passes they like to give him.
Tackling is all about leverage and getting a guy like jacobs is going low and cutting his legs out.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 12, 2006, 10:45:05 AM
Tackling is all about leverage and getting a guy like jacobs is going low and cutting his legs out.
Eagles need to throw in some gadget plays to keep the Gints off of Westbrook, use Westy as more of a decoy.
why do the eagles need to use gadget plays to get westbrook off...westbrook healthy is just as dangerous as tiki....no way you use him as a decoy...the eagles are gonna key on tiki and the giants on westbrook and the team that executes the best and get their rb lose has a good chance of winning.....
Eagles need production from the other 3 WRs to keep them in this game. Should activate Avant as he seems more agressive in getting the ball when thrown to him.
I thought that as soon they signed Stallworth.
Avant > Baskett
Baskett should be more in the mold of McCants, a tall Endzone target with a few sporadic catches in between.
Ok I am very reticent to post here anymore but the giants game brings out the worst in me.
I see a lot of trepidation going into this Giants game and though they are a good team they are a very undisciplined, shaky team loaded with head cases that can be taken out of their game by their own game plan never mind what the other team does to them.
That said, as someone else noted earlier the giants had every chance to win that game and simply did not execute and that's their problem. They dropped three ints and had all kinds of penalties that cost them drives or momentum on drives going the other way.
Strayhan was neutralized and I believe is on the downside of his career and the interior of their D-line does not scare me one bit. Also as noted earlier the Eagles interior O-line is a matchup problem for them.
Indy's defense is already terrible and they were down two starters against the G-nats and the Giants still could not punch the ball in when they needed to due to their errors and Eli giving in to what little pressure Indy's fron four was able to generate.
I know I will be charged with homerism but living in NY I get to see a lot of the Giants and hear a lot of radio analysis on them and one thing I know about them is that they don't respond well to adversity and they will face some against the Eagles this weekend.
If both teams play their best game I give the Eagles the edge because of their defense, their kicking game and of course because of 5.
I agree with most of you're assessment's. The GINTS do have some legit weapon's on offense. They have a strong running game, that is NOT a farse. The colts didn't get to Eli at all in that game..not one sack. That troubles me a bit..If they can stop Freeney from getting there, it wont be easy for us to get there either JJ is going to have to pull out some tricks. They will keep Jacob's in to pick up the blitz, and try to get shockey on one of the LB's or a safety...tuff match up, even for B-Dawk. My biggest fear is the Tiki screen pass on a JJ blitz that get's picked up...or even worse: a Jacob's screen on an all out blitz..That guy running loose in your secondary spells OUCH!
If the Eagles proctect D-Mac well, and they get pressure on Eli, they will be in the game till the 4th quarter....that is, IF they can slow down the GINTS run game a bit, and get some yards on the ground themselves..If D-Mac has to throw 40 times, were in trouble.
teams are just getting their wind back after finally playing full 4 quarters. hence, more pressure on both sides of the ball should be applied now.
Team strength goes to OL: Giants
DL: slight edge to Eagles because of depth
LB: Giants
WR: Eagles because of depth, westbrook option as WR
RB: Giants--Tiki and Jacobs
ST: Eagles--ball placed after punt/kickoffs, Akers/Johnson
QB: Eagles
TE: EVEN
The combo of Tiki and Jacobs has been proving dividends for them since the end of last year, and that right there could be the difference of the game, along with the LB's of the Birds giving up the short/med yard passes. Very close game
Prediction (as much as I dont want to)
Giants 26
Birds 20
hope i prove myself wrong big time....Go Birds!!
I agree with everything you say except for the score. You forgot one item in your assessment, COACHING. I think Coughlin is a stiff, and Andy Reid will outsmart him. As was stated earlier in this thread, the Giants often come out undisciplined and mentally unprepared for big games. What will kill them this season will not be a lack of talent or veteran guidance, it will be the lack of a coach to maximize their potential. This is a scary team. Really scary, but they lack the coach to make them consistent. This, and the home field advantage, will win them the game this week. I also think that this is one of the biggest games of the season, because it has the potential to absolutely derail the Giants season. Their schedule IS brutal, and if we can win this one there is little chance they can fight back. And if we win this and they somehow manage to fight through the season to make the playoffs, I gotta take my hat off(even though I don't wear hats), and as long as their not playing the Eagles in the playoffs I just might root for them. I'll say eagles win 24-21
We need a quick score and lead, so the Giants are playing from behind and hopefully don't use the run much. If we don't, and can't put pressure on Eli, then they establish the run, and Eli goes to the air. That spells trouble, because I don't think we have anyone in the secondary who can cover Plax. If Eli has time to throw, Plax will burn our D.
Quote from: reese125 on September 12, 2006, 11:25:32 PM
teams are just getting their wind back after finally playing full 4 quarters. hence, more pressure on both sides of the ball should be applied now.
Team strength goes to OL: Giants
how can you say that?? If anything it would be a tie until we see the Eagles OTs go against Osi and Strahan. I think the Eagles clearly get the edge her and if Andy continues to mix the run and pass they will only get stronger in the run game.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on September 13, 2006, 09:18:58 AM
If anything it would be a tie until we see the Eagles OTs go against Osi and Strahan. I think the Eagles clearly get the edge here...
Um, no. The Giants' DEs are outstanding. The Eagles' OTs are good, but if anything it's a push or the Giants have an edge. No chance the Eagles 'clearly get the edge' in that matchup.
Obviously the Eagles' OL is better than the Giants' OL, but the ends of their DL are top notch.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 13, 2006, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on September 13, 2006, 09:18:58 AM
If anything it would be a tie until we see the Eagles OTs go against Osi and Strahan. I think the Eagles clearly get the edge here...
Um, no. The Giants' DEs are outstanding. The Eagles' OTs are good, but if anything it's a push or the Giants have an edge. No chance the Eagles 'clearly get the edge' in that matchup.
Obviously the Eagles' OL is better than the Giants' OL, but the ends of their DL are top notch.
RJS,
i was refering to his comment that the Giants OL is better than the Eagles
Oh well then we're both right.
our D-line is going to have to step up this week, plain and simple. same with the O-line, dominate.
Another thing to be considered in any discussion of the two lines is the loss of Chriss Snee from the Giants starting lineup. I felt going in that the Eagles rotation, including the fact that the second squad is physically stronger than the first wave, would really be a loat to handle for the Giants o-line.
I think the Eagles may just start slowly again on defense but like an anaconda or a boa constrictor that slowly squeezes the life out of you and clamps down harder every time you struggle for breath this defense will, as in the Texans game, stifle, frustrate and choke this Giants offense right out.
Just kill Elisha.
If Coughlin sees the Juqua Thomas / Trent Cole line out there, he should run off tackle every time.
Adam Kaplan just told Dave that Chris Snee is DOUBTFUL for Sunday.
That's good news for the Eagles. He's a good player.
coughlin all but said that yesterday
Seubert is capable, but a significant drop-off.
Isn't Snee the one tappin' Coach's little girl?
Quote from: Diomedes on September 13, 2006, 12:36:51 PM
Isn't Snee the one tappin' Coach's little girl?
Yep. Married to her, actually.
so hes not tappin her then
:-D
I guess i missed it, what happend to Snee Sunday?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 13, 2006, 12:46:53 PM
:-D
I guess i missed it, what happend to Snee Sunday?
Snee's knee
Ankle actually.........
Well that's just not as unfunny.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 13, 2006, 05:01:21 PM
Well that's just not as unfunny.
I dunno..........personally I thought it would create a bigger chuckle then simply stating Snee is suffering from a overstretched outside lateral ligament of the talus joint.........
QuoteGiants | Shockey questionable Week 2
Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:04:48 -0700
New York Giants TE Jeremy Shockey (ankle) is listed as questionable for Week 2.
Just something to keep an eye on.
I'm not putting much hope in that. Until I see him in a boot and on crutches on the sidelines I refuse to get excited about it. Of course, some no name scrub would probably come in and tourch us for 120 yrds and a couple of scores.
Yeah, I know... I'm not making it a big deal. But it still bears watching as though even though he'll probably play, it could hinder his movement.
hey look, it's Gene.
QuoteRunyan: Play To The Whistle
Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce was injured in a game last year against the Eagles when tight end Stephen Spach wrestled him to the ground and twisted Pierce's leg. Pierce was unhappy that Spach "played to the whistle" and insists he will be looking for revenge on Sunday.
Earlier this week, Pierce specifically mentioned offensive tackle Jon Runyan, and Runyan was asked about his approach to "playing to the whistle."
"That's the way you're supposed to play the game," said Runyan. "If you don't play to the whistle, sometimes you can end up geting hurt, like he did. Don't they tell you that in high school? Play to the whistle? A lot of people forget that."
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 13, 2006, 07:39:57 PM
I'm not putting much hope in that. Until I see him in a boot and on crutches on the sidelines I refuse to get excited about it. Of course, some no name scrub would probably come in and tourch us for 120 yrds and a couple of scores.
Shockey was limping pretty bad during the Colts game. What a suprise, he's dinged up again.
Unfortunately for the Giants there isn't a no name scrub to come in and torch the Eagles as a replacement.......for some unexplained reason the team entered the season with only two TE's on the roster.
Given the probabilty that Shockey sooner or later was going to get banged up and miss some time I for one have no idea what the thinking could have been to make that sort of personel decision.
Shiancoe (#2 TE) couldn't torch a secondary if he was holding a gallon of gas in one hand and a Zippo in the other.......
So he's going to torch the Eagles secondary?
basically.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 13, 2006, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on September 13, 2006, 09:18:58 AM
If anything it would be a tie until we see the Eagles OTs go against Osi and Strahan. I think the Eagles clearly get the edge here...
Um, no. The Giants' DEs are outstanding. The Eagles' OTs are good, but if anything it's a push or the Giants have an edge. No chance the Eagles 'clearly get the edge' in that matchup.
Obviously the Eagles' OL is better than the Giants' OL, but the ends of their DL are top notch.
The GINTS OL is a better run blocking OL....the eagles OL is probably a better protection OL, based on the number of times they throw the ball....Id call it close to even, regardless.
Did I just read that Antonio "my vagina hurts" Pierce was bitching because someone actually played to the whistle whereas he didn't?
I hope Runyan catches AP standing by a pile and knocks him out.
Man, I can't sleep so I'm watching the Indy/New York reply, and the main impression I come away with for the Giants, is that Jacobs is one tough running s.o.b. It looks like they have the one two punch everyone thought they were going to have with Dayne.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2006, 03:42:25 AM
Did I just read that Antonio "my vagina hurts" Pierce was bitching because someone actually played to the whistle whereas he didn't?
I hope Runyan catches AP standing by a pile and knocks him out.
Yes. He said he is going to exact revenge on every Eagles player that was on the field at the time.
Someone remarked that McMahon, Moats, Artis Hicks, Adrien Clarke, and L.J. are all scurred.
Quote from: shorebird on September 14, 2006, 04:42:03 AM...Jacobs is one tough running s.o.b. It looks like they have the one two punch everyone thought they were going to have with Dayne.
He's a beast. There are TE's in the league smaller than him. He's also fast. Trouble is, he's rough. Fumbles and drops passes, needs to work on getting his center of gravity down when he runs. But no doubt, he's a weapon. He's got another year of playing to go before he really blossoms, in my ignorant opinion.
Good to see you back Gene. Tough game with the Giants, no doubt.
Eagles win this game 23-20 with a long late FG from Akers and a miss by Feely to tie
Giants are sure talking a lot .... from todays NY Post :
DE Osi Umenyiora led the NFC in sacks last season but didn't get one last week. "I got shut out," Umenyiora said. "Is that going to happen again this week? I seriously doubt it."
Quote from: Diomedes on September 14, 2006, 08:57:18 AM
Quote from: shorebird on September 14, 2006, 04:42:03 AM...Jacobs is one tough running s.o.b. It looks like they have the one two punch everyone thought they were going to have with Dayne.
He's a beast. There are TE's in the league smaller than him. He's also fast. Trouble is, he's rough. Fumbles and drops passes, needs to work on getting his center of gravity down when he runs. But no doubt, he's a weapon. He's got another year of playing to go before he really blossoms, in my ignorant opinion.
I agree, he's so tall that he needs to get his shoulders down and not run so straight up. If he can do that there isn't a linebacker in the league that he couldn't knock backwards.
i just walked in so i only heard the end of the interview but apparently gcobb is reporting that westbrook is not out for practice today and may be hurt??
small correction: westbrook LEFT practice
Thankfully, moats23 created a separate thread to discuss this.
the thread comes with confirmation of injury...the speculation goes in the pre game thread
i think he likes to be first and doesnt want to spend the time to see if certain news is on the board for fear of someone else creating the thread while he searches and scooping him
Quote from: Philly_Crew on September 14, 2006, 09:11:52 AM
Good to see you back Gene. Tough game with the Giants, no doubt.
Tough game yes.......But that's what's going to make the NFC East so cool this year.
Every game a big one because any one of the 4 team can win the division......Four solid teams just beating the snot out of each other.
:=)
Quote from: Gene on September 14, 2006, 05:31:13 PM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on September 14, 2006, 09:11:52 AM
Good to see you back Gene. Tough game with the Giants, no doubt.
Tough game yes.......But that's what's going to make the NFC East so cool this year.
:=)
A very tough game yes. Games don't get any bigger than this for so early in the season. The Giants are friggen' desperate not to go 0-2, and the Eagles are desperate to prove that they have rebounded enough to beat a division opponnet, especially the division winner last year.
Games don't get any bigger than this for so early in the season.
apparently you missed a little diddy we call the manning bowl
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 08:13:51 AM
Games don't get any bigger than this for so early in the season.
apparently you missed a little diddy we call the manning bowl
bah a non-divisonal game that means little 1st game of the season! Giants should have just continue to run the ball, at 8 yds a pop they could of killed the Colts D.
IGY was obviously being facetious, as the media hyped up the Manning bowl like it was the battle of two gods.
All I gotta say is thank Gibbs that game only happens 1 time every 4 years.
Not to jinx anything but I have this feeling that the division is going to splinter as the season goes along. I think the finishing order will be Giants, Eagles, Cowboys and Foreskins, with the Eagles with a Wildcard.
Gints really dont have anytime to rest, and i think that kills them either this or next week.
This week.
Eagles 34
Giants 20
Eagles 13
Giants 14
I have a bad feeling about this game.
I have a great feeling about this game. Eagles are going to whup the Giants, and every numbskull is gonna start calling for the birds to win the division.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 15, 2006, 12:19:29 PM
Eagles 13
Giants 14
I have a bad feeling about this game.
If we hold the Giants to 14 points... I think we win pretty easily.
The birds could easily start this season 5-0 and still only finish 9-7. This game is important, but indicates nothing.
It indicates alot for the division especially with the so called competition in it
I guess. The Eagles need to worry about winning enough games to get into the playoffs period. Vying for the division would be the unexpected icing on the cake.
unlike most tiki doesnt concern me in this game
however eli does
i still dont believe the front four can create pressure on their own and until they do it against a competant team color me worried
i see eli picking apart the secondary
8 yards here
7 there
12 over here
ect
goin for a very very high % something like 23-30 for 225
winging the ball around
long ass drives
which will eventually lead to tiki busting out in the second half
people are way to happy over beating a pathetic houston team...they come back to earth this week
27-13 giants
if the eagles win the defense has to step up and be as good as most people think they are...i wanna see it first and if i do and the birds win this game ill be the first to say they are in the playoffs no question...sacks turnovers all that.....this is the time to break out
The birds could easily start this season 5-0 and still only finish 9-7. This game is important, but indicates nothing.
couldnt disagree more
a win means more than you can imagine
a loss not so bad
I'm taking the Eagles to win this game ;D
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 12:53:17 PM
The birds could easily start this season 5-0 and still only finish 9-7. This game is important, but indicates nothing.
couldnt disagree more
a win means more than you can imagine
a loss not so bad
A loss to me holds a hell of a lot more weight than a win. But I don't really care enough to argue the nitty gritty. Go Birds.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 12:52:08 PM
i see eli picking apart the secondary
8 yards here
7 there
12 over here
ect
goin for a very very high % something like 23-30 for 225
he's never even come close to that before. in fact only has 4 games in his short career over 60%. his career % is 52
eli is not that good.
a win gives them a two game lead over half the division
make a statement that they are indeed back
puts half the division at 0-2
puts the giants in a great position to go 0-3
puts the eagles in the playoffs
a loss puts them about where i thought there were anyway
beat the bad teams lose to most of the better teams
still have a chance at a wild card
he's never even come close to that before. in fact only has 4 games in his short career over 60%. his career % is 52
eli is not that good.
david carr behind most of the game with a hideous OL and wali lundy at rb went for 66% against the eagles
David Carr is better than Eli Manning.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 15, 2006, 10:40:07 AM
All I gotta say is thank Gibbs that game only happens 1 time every 4 years.
God would be offended that you used Gibbs name in his place as he feels that's an insult to Coach Gibbs.
Wait......wrong board. My bad.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 01:59:08 PM
he's never even come close to that before. in fact only has 4 games in his short career over 60%. his career % is 52
eli is not that good.
david carr behind most of the game with a hideous OL and wali lundy at rb went for 66% against the eagles
david carr hasnt had a decent OL yet. but over his career has put up
ok numbers, and has maintained an over 60% completion rate since 2004.
Carr is an asset to an otherwise inept team. While Eli(so far) is a weakness in an otherwise strong team.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 15, 2006, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 01:59:08 PM
he's never even come close to that before. in fact only has 4 games in his short career over 60%. his career % is 52
eli is not that good.
david carr behind most of the game with a hideous OL and wali lundy at rb went for 66% against the eagles
david carr hasnt had a decent OL yet. but over his career has put up ok numbers, and has maintained an over 60% completion rate since 2004.
Carr is an asset to an otherwise inept team. While Eli(so far) is a weakness in an otherwise strong team.
Agreed. There's a reason why no one has broke out the bust label on Carr yet and that's because he's been far from a bust. He's a decent qb right now on a pathetic team. I'd like to see what kind of QB Carr would be if he even had mediocre talent surrounding him.
so carr is the most amazingest qb ever...so good in fact that he can pin 66% on the eagles with a horrid team around him...
and eli is so awful that even with a great offense around him he will suck against that same eagle team carr did well against
spinny spin spin
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 03:09:30 PM
so carr is the most amazingest qb ever...so good in fact that he can pin 66% on the eagles with a horrid team around him...
and eli is so awful that even with a great offense around him he will suck against that same eagle team carr did well against
spinny spin spin
Don't know if that was directed at me or not, but I was just commenting on Carr being a pretty good QB despite a horrible winning percentage and horrendous sack #'s.
Sh-Eli is a decent QB. I don't think the dude totally sucks but I don't think he'll live up to the hype either. I also don't think he would fare nearly as well as Carr if he had to play in Houston. Of course, he never would have gone to Houston either because he's a whiney sissy bitch.
Eagles D will shake up Eli enough to straighten out that crooked eye of his.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2006, 03:09:30 PM
so carr is the most amazingest qb ever...so good in fact that he can pin 66% on the eagles with a horrid team around him...
and eli is so awful that even with a great offense around him he will suck against that same eagle team carr did well against
spinny spin spin
No, skippy. Carr can throw for 66% against the Eagles with two really good receivers and a fairly crappy offensive line, which is slightly better than his average.
actually i think the qb of the team the eagles play each week sucks and couldnt ever possibly have a good game against them
Manning is a GOD
I sez theyll straighen out that crooked...........bah.
I waste my best material on you people.
You live in the woods with your wife. She's already heard your best material a hundred times, and the people at the library want you to shut up. You have no one else to waste it on.
lol...from Fox sports weekly picks:
QuoteNew York Giants at Philadelphia: You know when you have strep throat and then one morning you wake up, swallow and it doesn't feel like razorblades are shooting down your esophagus? Yeah, that's how Donovan McNabb feels every day now that T.O. is gone. Eagles 20, Giants 17.
:-D
a six pack of red stripe and three
mieks lemonades in and its an easy win for the birds 30 - 13, come on iggles!
I live for days like today. Bring it on baby!
I'm pumped for this game. Friday night, my sons High School team won 54-14, in a mud slopped game that was stopped 1 hr. for pouring rain and lightning. It was one of the best games I've ever seen in my life. I kept thinking the whole time that the Eagles game on Sunday will be just as good, the icing on the cake of a great football weekend.
I barely slept last night I am so excited. :D
What a great day it looks to be for tailgating. You should have a great time.
went to bed at 3am and was thinking ill sleep in till like noon but i couldnt stay in bed. eventhough i get bored watching the pre game shows...but oh well.
Seems like the only pre-game show on this morning it farging TO.
i like watching the sports reporters. its about to be on. i guess ill grab some breakfast after its over.
I want to see Eli eatin' turf.
Nice article and words from Aikman.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-09172006-713838.html
Quote"Andy talked all offseason about running the ball more, but I was pleasantly surprised with the way he called the game and the commitment he showed to it," Aikman said. "In the second half of that game, the Eagles ran 22 times.
QuoteAikman, who led the Cowboys to three Super Bowl championships, has always been a huge McNabb fan, and has been baffled over the years as he's watched McNabb come under a constant barrage of criticism from talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, Philadelphia NAACP branch President Whyatt Mondesire, Terrell Owens and pal Michael Irvin, and even a surprising number of Eagles fans.
All McNabb has done to deserve this is win 61 of 88 regular-season starts, take the Eagles to the playoffs five times and throw for 357 yards and three touchdowns in a Super Bowl loss to the Patriots.
"It amazes me that someone of his character and ability has had to endure what he's endured when far less accomplished players at his position haven't," Aikman said. "He's had to deal with so much stuff, and he's had nothing to do with any of it. He says the right thing, he does the right thing, he supports his teammates, and he wins.
Hammerin' Hank says:
Giants 21
Eagles 17
Eagles - 27
Jints - 21
If the eagles have done their homework, show up and play up to their potential, there is no reason they should lose this game. GO BIRDS!!!!
31-20 IGGS
and we pray :evil :evil :evil
Eli is no good.
Obviously.