QuoteNew El stop: Broad and Pattison?
Birds said to have eyes on Randle El
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
INDIANAPOLIS - In the next few weeks, Terrell Owens finally and officially will be leaving the Eagles. If he is on their roster March 8, 5 days into the NFL year, the Birds will owe T.O. $7.5 million in bonus money, which they have no intention of paying.
There won't be a T.O.-level wide receiver talent available this spring, either through free agency or in the draft, but despite their public posturing about being happy with their remaining receivers, the Eagles are expected to try to upgrade at the position.
Antwaan Randle El seems to be their main target, as the free-agent wideout with the biggest upside, assuming the Pittsburgh Steelers, faced with 11 potential free agents, can't keep him. Randle El also would fill a need as an elite punt returner. An alternative might be Buffalo's Eric Moulds, a bigger and stronger receiver (6-2, 210 to Randle El's 5-10, 192) who also is significantly older at 32.
Reggie Wayne, expected to be the top free-agent wideout this spring, returned to the Indianapolis Colts this week for a reported $39.5 million over 6 years. Another attractive veteran, Joe Jurevicius, is said to be looking to return to Seattle rather than test free agency.
Randle El, 26, is coming off an electric Super Bowl performance in which he threw a 43-yard option pass for a touchdown to Hines Ward that sealed the Steelers' victory. Randle El caught just three passes for 22 yards in that game, but Pittsburgh completed only 10 passes.
Randle El, like Donovan McNabb, grew up in the Chicago area, and he is represented by McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith. Randle El and MacNabb are friends and Randle El has trained with McNabb in Arizona in the offseason. Sources close to the situation believe the Eagles and Randle El's hometown Chicago Bears could be the top contenders for his services.
Smith said yesterday that Randle El is ready to hit the market, assuming the Steelers don't make an unexpected move to lock him up before the March 3 start of free agency, a move that did not seem forthcoming, based on Pittsburgh director of football operations Kevin Colbert's remarks yesterday at the NFL Scouting Combine.
"We don't know the interest level [from other teams]," Colbert said. "We certainly have interest in keeping Antwaan, and Antwaan certainly would like to stay, but he doesn't know what kind of offers he's going to get. He certainly showed up big for us down the stretch, both as a return guy and a receiver... Any time you win a Super Bowl, it enhances your value, maybe artificially, too - you've got to be careful you don't place too much value on being part of a successful organization. We'll see how that all unfolds."
Smith said he doesn't know if the Eagles plan to make a strong push for his client - if they indicated that, they could be accused of tampering, since Randle El is still a Steeler - but Smith said he would think the Birds would be interested in signing the former Indiana quarterback, who has played a supporting role during his 4 years in Pittsburgh. Randle El played behind both Plaxico Burress and Ward before this past season, when Burress went to the Giants and Randle El became a starter. He caught 35 passes for 558 yards in Pittsburgh's ground-based attack.
"He's a playmaker," Smith said. "When he gets the ball in his hands, he makes plays."
Other sources close to the situation indicate the Eagles are very interested in Randle-El, not necessarily as a traditional No. 1 receiver, which he probably isn't, but as a catalyst in a wideout mix that would include a recovered Todd Pinkston and emerging 2005 rookie Reggie Brown, along with Greg Lewis, whom the Eagles think can be effective again in a more limited role. Lewis seemed to wear down last season, when he was elevated by Pinkston's Achilles' tear and Owens' banishment from the team.
Of course, Moulds would be more of a traditional No. 1, with a bigger price tag - he caught 81 passes last season for 816 yards, raising his 10-year totals to 675 catches for 9,096 yards. He is signed through 2007, but he has a $10.85-million cap figure this year and the Bills have made it plain he will need to restructure to stay in Buffalo. Apparently, Moulds, who hasn't tasted the playoffs since 1999, would rather move on if he can land the right deal with a potential contender.
New Buffalo GM Marv Levy said yesterday that he has not been able to contact Moulds - which would seem to be a pretty good hint as to how Moulds might be thinking.
"I think Eric still has a lot left," Levy said. "We want to work something out in a contract restructuring with Eric."
There was surprisingly little buzz about T.O. yesterday in the combine hallways and lobbies through which NFL personnel and reporters trolled. The Denver Broncos, the only team to bring in the All-Pro wideout for a meeting after the Eagles gave agent Drew Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade, are said to have concluded that they probably don't have the salary-cap space to make an Owens move.
Then again, nobody really knows right now what the salary cap will look like, whether there will be one after this season, or exactly how the slow progress toward a collective-bargaining agreement will affect this year's free-agent market.
There has been speculation that the league might seek to delay the start of free agency, to get the CBA resolved. Changing the date at this point seems unlikely. But teams, players and agents are impatient to know the structure they will be operating under, with the market about to open. One source close to the situation said yesterday that if, as has been reported, changes in revenue sharing among the franchises are an important ingredient of a deal, then no deal is imminent
Obviously I wouldn't mind getting ARE. But what scares me about getting him is if they pay him a ton of money and he doesn't live up to that contract once he goes to a new team. What if you pay him $30M and he pulls a Peerless Price or Matthew Hatchette? He's 3rd on my list on WRs to get...
Moulds
Givens
Randle El
QuoteOf course, Moulds would be more of a traditional No. 1, with a bigger price tag
I find it hard to believe that Moulds will command more money than Randle-El would in FA. Now that Wayne is gone... Randle-El's the hottest name out there among FA's. He'll be the new barometer for pricing WR's. I'd be far from pissed if we snagged him, but IMO it just seems like a lot of money to give up for a #2 guy (or #3 because of the emergence of Cedrick Wilson) who could be a better punt returner.
I'm with Phreak. Gimme Moulds or Givens first.
This will be interesting. I think Randle El would be a great addition, but I do think Moulds would actually come cheaper.
I'd take a cheaper Moulds in a heartbeat. If he'd be cheaper. Take Moulds, put Westy back to return kicks.
i agree with Moulds being cheaper. but Randle El has better gamebreaker ability with his punt returns and YAC abilities.
But you could find a KR and PR to do that for cheap too. Draft a guy who does that. Or let Bruce Perry return kicks and find a PR.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 24, 2006, 08:38:33 AM
But you could find a KR and PR to do that for cheap too.
Can you? They tried that last year and it didn't work out too well. I agree with Perry on KR, but their PR last year was awful.
I'm not set on Randle El by any means, but I love his versatility with running, catching, returning, throwing, etc...
As if Bowen KNOWS who their main target is?
Come on now. :-D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 24, 2006, 08:40:47 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 24, 2006, 08:38:33 AM
But you could find a KR and PR to do that for cheap too.
Can you? They tried that last year and it didn't work out too well. I agree with Perry on KR, but their PR last year was awful.
I'm not set on Randle El by any means, but I love his versatility with running, catching, returning, throwing, etc...
Suer they can. They found JR Reed in 2004 to be the KR, right? Now just scope out a PR and get him in here. They tried with Dexter Wynn and failed. But since they hit on Reed that would tell me that they are capable of finding a guy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 24, 2006, 08:45:16 AM
Suer they can. They found JR Reed in 2004 to be the KR, right? Now just scope out a PR and get him in here. They tried with Dexter Wynn and failed. But since they hit on Reed that would tell me that they are capable of finding a guy.
you're probably right. i still would like it if they signed ARE.
it's nice to be talking about football though, i'll say that much.
If the outcome of the Super Bowl had been different, or only if he hadn't even thrown that TD pass, I don't think he'd even been in the same breath as Moulds and Givens. Just look at the stats:
Moulds:
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Givens:
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Randle-El:
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EDIT: Fudged Randle-El's stats.
EDIT 2: Added KR return stuff
Randle-El:
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Koren Robinson:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/RobinsonKR.jpg)
Dante Hall:
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I couldn't really think of any other full time KR/PR. If you think of any let me know and I'll grab their stats.
yeah, we all know his stats aren't as good as the other guys, but you have to take into effect that he's been on a team that runs the ball probably 60% of the time, if not more. Also, he was playing behind a pro bowler (Ward) and another good WR (Burress)
Moulds has had clowns like Kelly Holcomb and J.P. Losman throwing to him for the past two years.
Put him with McNabb and his stats are comparable to T.O.'s.
That said, I'd rather have Randle El because of he's younger and therefore less susceptible to injury.
The run oriented O is something to take into consideration. But that also plays with my concern about blowing a ton of money on him. Did he look so good because he wasn't exposed to an offense that threw the ball a lot as he would be here? Did he look so good because he generally was going up against the scrub corners most of the time?
That is too mnay questions for my liking when we're talking about a guy who stands to make a killing. If this was a deeper crop of FA WRs then I wouldn't be as apprehensive. But it'll take paying him a lot to get him.
I'd be more comfortable with Moulds because he has been the #1 for so long or Givens because he produced despite NE being an offense that throws it to everyone in the Boston area except Curt Schilling.
you make good points, that's why i'm not dead set on ARE. if they bring in one of those 3 that you listed I'd be cool.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 24, 2006, 08:49:26 AM
yeah, we all know his stats aren't as good as the other guys, but you have to take into effect that he's been on a team that runs the ball probably 60% of the time, if not more. Also, he was playing behind a pro bowler (Ward) and another good WR (Burress)
Yeah, I get that, but what about Moulds? Look at the QB situation in the last two years up in Buffalo. Givens plays on a team that with a QB that is great at spreading the ball around with Branch, Watson, etc.. The more I look at Givens and his stats, the more I think he makes a lot of sense here. He is a young, big guy. He's only twenty five, and would come much cheaper than both Moulds and Randle El. I'm not trying to say Randle-El wouldn't be a good additon, but I don't think whoever lands them, will ever get their money's worth that they pay for him, which is going to be
a lot.
Givens is only 25? He seems like he's been around longer than that.
Is he a possession reciever or more of a burner?
Moulds, Randle El, Givens, I dont care which one... but the Eagles better have one on the roster next year.
jesus stop worrying about money and get the best players in here...with a no salary cap year and a work stoppage looming go all out to win a superbowl this year and/or next
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2006, 09:01:15 AM
jesus stop worrying about money and get the best players in here...with a no salary cap year and a work stoppage looming go all out to win a superbowl this year and/or next
Under that logic, we can just keep "the best player" who we already have in TO and since money ain't a thing... just throw the money at him to shut him up. Happy TO, happy Eagles, Sooooper Booowwwl!!
ARE would improve the STs and the receiving corps, which is why I would love to have him. The other two would be improvements with certain strengths/weaknesses/blah blah blah but I would be happy with any of them.
As long as I don't see Pinkston & Brown starting, I really don't care who they bring in either.
However, if they don't bring in someone who's better (in Pinkston's case) or more experienced (in Brown's case) then what the hell's the point of signing anyone? They could draft Santonio Holmes and spend the money they'd blow on a WR on defensive help.
Just saying...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 24, 2006, 09:15:54 AM
As long as I don't see Pinkston & Brown starting, I really don't care who they bring in either.
However, if they don't bring in someone who's better (in Pinkston's case) or more experienced (in Brown's case) then what the hell's the point of signing anyone? They could draft Santonio Holmes and spend the money they'd blow on a WR on defensive help.
Just saying...
DING DING DING. None of these guys are elite talents. And, as I've said before, I'll be shocked if they land any of them. Or even try hard.
as I've said before, they don't need elite talent. they just need good players that are capable WR, they didn't have those before TO came. Brown/Pinkston/Moulevns El/Lewis would be a good WR corp
greg lewis can die from heat exhaustion in traning camp for all i care
i agree they dont need elite talent at wr...especially if reggie takes a nice rookie to sophomore step forward...but they need to add at least one very good wr
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 24, 2006, 08:59:43 AM
Givens is only 25? He seems like he's been around longer than that.
Is he a possession reciever or more of a burner?
Givens is only four years removed from Notre Dame. He was born in 1980. He is not much of a burner from what I have seen of him, more of a possesion guy. He is sure handed, and can get some YAC. He is a big dude, not much of an injury history. He is not a pure number one guy like Moulds is, but Randle-El isn't either. Based on what I have seen of ARE's career, I wouldn't think he could be out a 100% healthy Pinky for the number two spot, so why pay him what'll probably be three times as much money?
More info on all the guys from Scout.com
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David Givens
Ht: 6-0 Wt: 215
Position: WR
Date of Birth: 8/16/1980
Experience: 4
College: Notre Dame
Biography:
2005 - New England:
How Acquired: Drafted by the Patriots in the seventh round of the 2002 NFL draft (253rd overall).
Personal: Born David Lamar Givens, August 16, 1980 in Youngstown, Ohio. Givens played 8 positions earning three letters in football. Lettered in track (sprint and weight events) four times, earning team MVP honors as senior. He majored in Design while attending Notre Dame University. Givens has four brothers and sisters.
2004 - New England:
Scouting Report: David Givens is a deceptively quick receiver who has improved in each of his three seasons at the professional level. Givens uses his hands well to catch the ball. His route running skills have improved, though he remains inconsistent at times. Occasionally has trouble against press coverage at the line of scrimmage, but will fight a defensive back for position. Generally speaking, Givens is not a significant threat in the vertical passing game. He has improved his ability to create separation and will go across the middle for the tough catch.
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Eirc Moulds
Ht: 6-2 Wt: 205
Position: WR
Date of Birth: 7/17/1973
Experience: 10
College: Mississippi State
Biography:
2003 - Buffalo:
Once again Eric Moulds will be counted on to be the Bills primary pass option though this year he'll likely be paired with Josh Reed who is replacing Peerless Price who was traded in the offseason for Atlanta's 1st Round pick (23rd overall) in the 2003 NFL Draft....Had an outstanding 2002 season with his 3rd Pro Bowl since 1998.... Collected 1287 yards on 100 catches and 10 TDs...Drafted by the Buffalo Bills in the 1st round (24th overall) in 1996.
2002 - Buffalo:
Moulds is one of the top receivers in the NFL. In six NFL seasons, the Mississippi State alum has averaged 15.1 yards per catch. Moulds has caught 342 passes for 5165 yards.
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Antwaan Randle-El (a little outdated, edited a bit because of length)
Ht: 5-10 Wt: 190
Position: WR
Date of Birth: 8/17/1979
Experience: 4
College: Indiana
Biography:
2004 - Pittsburgh: -
2003:
The 2003 season proved that Antwaan Randle El had truly developed into an accomplished slot receiver and would continue to be the dynamic all-purpose athlete that he demonstrated his rookie season in 2002. Randle El finished the 2003 season leading the AFC and second in the NFL with his punt return total of 542 yards and ranked third in the NFL for punt return average with 12.0 yards. Antwaan's two punt returns for touchdowns were for 84 yards against St. Louis (second-longest in franchise history) and 53 yards against Arizona. He also had a 51-yard return against Oakland. His two punt returns for touchdowns tied franchise season records held by Ray Matthews (1952) and Louis Lipps (1985) and also tied him with Dante Hall, of Kansas City, for the NFL-highest in 2003.
2002: (Receiving) 47 RECs for 489 YDs, 2 TDs - 10.4 AVG. (Rushing) 19 ATTs for 134 YDs, 0 TDs - 7.1 AVG. 1 FUM.
Antwaan no doubt lived up to Steeler expectations of him as the slot recevier and return man, as well as a multi-purpose weapon to use in the Mularkey offense. A high point of his season may have been the October game at Cincinatti where he had a kickoff return of 99 yards for a TD and a reverse for 24 yards. In short, Antwaan delivered as far as demonstrating the over-all offensive potential that he showed in college, including a much-needed boost to the kick-return game. 2003 should be interesting.
Antwaan Randle El was drafted in the second round out of Indiana. A quarterback in college, Antwaan plays receiver and punt/kick returner for the Steelers. The move was not a surprise for Randle El. In fact, he played wide receiver in the Senior Bowl since it was obvious that the pros would be projecting him at that position. Although undersized at 5-9 and not having the fastest 40 time, it was obvious in 2002 summer camp that Randle El had the necessary tools to be a successful wideout in the league - good hands, quick moves for YAC's , and an understanding of the position.
At Indiana as a quarterback, he passed for 7489 yards in 44 games with a 49.8 completion percentage for 42 touchdowns on 1060 attempts. He rushed for 3895 yards and 44 scores on 857 carries (4.5 avg). He is the only player in NCAA Division I-A history to pass for 6000 yards and rush for 3000 yards and also the only player to pass for 40 touchdowns and score 40 touchdowns. With a career offensive total of 11,384 yards and 86 touchdowns, his offensive average per game was an almost unbelievable 258.73 yards per game. Antwaan was also a punt returner in college and punted when called upon.
He was an All-America and All-Big Ten Conference first team selection as an all-purpose back(The NFL Draft Report), and a national first-team honor recipient (Football Writers Association) his senior year.
2002:
Antwaan no doubt lived up to Steeler expectations of him as the slot recevier and return man, as well as a multi-purpose weapon to use in the Mularkey offense. A high point of his season may have been the October game at Cincinatti where he had a kickoff return of 99 yards for a TD and a reverse for 24 yards. In short, Antwaan delivered as far as demonstrating the over-all offensive potential that he showed in college, including a much-needed boost to the kick-return game. 2003 should be interesting.
Antwaan Randle El was drafted in the second round out of Indiana. A quarterback in college, Antwaan plays receiver and punt/kick returner for the Steelers. The move was not a surprise for Randle El.
Agree they don't need elite talent. But the guys listed are going to want elite money. Which is why they'll be playing elsewhere next season.
I agree with the people who wouldn't mind having either one of them, but to turn down a multi-talented guy like randel el is foolish. this guy is young and has alot of game left in him. with a pass happy offense, man i drool at the possibilities of this guy. not only is he a burner...who can catch the bomb, but he's a quick shifty guy who can get open quick on the short plays and make people miss.
Not only catching, but the man can throw the ball like a champ, on the run no doubt. remember freddie to westbrook? oh and he's one of the top 3 punt returners in the league. something else we need and has crippled our offense last year, field position. so any of you whinning about, he's gonna command top dollars. who the farg cares. i'd rather have a proven veteran catching balls and returning punts than some "new guy". i think he could possibly turn into a steve smith/santana moss type receiver if given the right oppourtunity.
im not confident on reid persueing a run game this year, so the more talent, the better at wideout.
randel el is not multitalented. he's pretty 1 dimesional...which is why he's only a #3 guy.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 24, 2006, 10:31:49 AM
randel el is not multitalented. he's pretty 1 dimesional...which is why he's only a #3 guy.
he was a #2 for pittsburgh, he can catch, run, throw, return punts. that's a huge dimension if he's only 1 dimensional
randel el is not multitalented
WTF?
Quote from: Wingspan on February 24, 2006, 10:31:49 AM
randel el is not multitalented. he's pretty 1 dimesional...which is why he's only a #3 guy.
your mixing your mind with his talents now.
ARE YOU fargIN KIDDING ME!!??!!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 24, 2006, 10:32:40 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 24, 2006, 10:31:49 AM
randel el is not multitalented. he's pretty 1 dimesional...which is why he's only a #3 guy.
he was a #2 for pittsburgh, he can catch, run, throw, return punts. that's a huge dimension if he's only 1 dimensional
the ability to run is something that all WRs can do. no one is signing him as QB. is he a deep threat? no. is he a possession guy? only 35 catches last year say differently.
sorry...i've just never been overly impressed with the guy.
and this season he was made a #3 guy. Ward and Cedric Wilson were the starters. he's a one dimensional gimmick player. he'd make a nice addition to any team, sure. but he's not a starting WR, or even a very consistant or reliable backup. someone will grossly overpay him.
he's nothing more than what az-hakin was a few years ago when everyone wanted him.,
The only thing similar between az-hakim and Randle-El are the hyphens in their names.
you can say he will get overpaid and you dont want him...but you cannot say he isnt multi demensional
being a great kick returner and a good WR automatically makes him multidemesional
I don't think the Eagles are going after Randle El anymore. Listen to Spadaro on Eagles Live or that stupid Todd Pinkston article. He's back tracking on WR big time. I know one thing, they better get one in here. Pinkston who has the same injury Julian Peterson had will most likely not be the same this year. It's said it takes 2 years to fully recover.
Listen to Spadaro
NO!
:-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2006, 10:52:02 AM
you can say he will get overpaid and you dont want him...but you cannot say he isnt multi demensional
being a great kick returner and a good WR automatically makes him multidemesional
randel el returned 1 kick off. last season. PR and KR are different.
and there is no hyphen in his name.
there;s at least 6 other WRs out there that i would rather have than randel el. i dont hate the guy. nor would i not look at him. but i dont think he's the best option available.
Quote from: VET STADIUM TURF on February 24, 2006, 10:53:28 AMListen to Spadaro on Eagles Live or that stupid Todd Pinkston article. He's back tracking on WR big time.
Not really. He still thinks they're going to go after one in free agency. Whether that's a priority over DT, DE and OLB, we'll see...
I don't want Randle El. I hope the Bears offer him a huge deal so the Eagles back off. Give me Moulds easily over Randle El.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 24, 2006, 10:58:10 AMthere;s at least 6 other WRs out there that i would rather have than randel el.
Oh, yeah? Name 'em.
I'm not speaking for him, but I can name a handful of guys I'd rather have than Randle El.
Moulds, Jurevicius, Bryant, and if Coles is cut like rumors say is a possibility then definitely Coles.
Try to stick to names that are actually available. Of course you'd rather have Coles. Who wouldn't??
That's 1 out of 4 names that isn't in the realm of possibility yet. The other 3 are.
You can add Burleson too, but he's restricted, and possibly Mccardell. I'm not high on them as much as I am down on Randle El. I just think as a receiver he's just another guy. I'd rather have someone who's great at one thing than a jack of all trades like Randle El.
Moulds, Jurevicius, Bryant, Burleson, huh? Well, you're entitled to your opinion I suppose.
Of these, I'd take only Moulds over Randle El. Let's see what Wingspan has to say when he get's back from the nail salon.
Moulds would help the offense more and probably help Brown more. ARE is younger and can do more things to help the team. What's more important to you will probably differentiate who you'd rather have. It's likely the team will sign neither, so in 2 weeks it will be a moot point.
I would have taken Jurevicius when he left the Giants, the Bucs, and now. I'm not sure I'd take him as an instead of player.
I'm not sure I'd take him as an instead of player.
i agree about jurevicious but to me hes a and player
no way i take him over ARE...but i take him AND randel el
For what Randle El is going to command money-wise, I'd definitely take him over Randle El.
I think Randle El will get somewhere close to what Wayne got, which is a lot. But I tend to agree that he isn't an 'it' player. He's a guy you get with someone. Unfortunately, this FA crop of receivers isn't very strong. Just going by receiving skills along he's probably 3rd best behind Moulds - if cut, and Bryant who has a ton of talent. The guy I want is Coles, but at this point it's a pipe dream, so I want Moulds.
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 24, 2006, 09:42:07 PMI think Randle El will get somewhere close to what Wayne got, which is a lot.
Wayne got six years, 13.5mil bonus, worth nearly $40 million total.
That's just too much. If the Eagles pay that much, I'll be conflicted. Nice add, unwise money move. ESPECIALLY if they let Runyan go, which I take as all but certain at this point.
I would say that a deal anywhere near what Wayne got would be absolutely nuts. Randle-El is bad ass no doubt, but he does not deserve #1 money or billing -or anywhere near it. I think we can all agree on that. I think the big picture here is that Reggie Brown is the future number one in the FO's eyes, and the Eagles need someone to compliment him, but also teach him the nuances of the game and position. For that I really the feel the Eagles need to get a guy who will participate with that, take some of the presssure off the kid, and not try to grandstand and attempt to push Reggie out of the #1 spot. That's why I think a guy like Givens is a perfect fit here. I really think the combo of Brown/Givens would be better than Brown/ARE. I don't think that Randle-El warrants enough consideration and respect from opposing defenses when lined up as a WR, and also I don't think he has enough of a skill set (as a pure WR) and experience at the position to help Reggie in his development.
All that being said, if Randle-El is getting offers based on his actual ability and not due alone to the lack of other options at the position and/or hype, I'd be all for the Eagles bringing him in to be a slot/gimmick/PR guy, but I think they would still need another complimentary receiver for Reggie.
I see a lot of people making comments about Randle-El's youth being an attractive incentive as to why the Eagles should sign him. To me, that's a deterrant. He's going to be looking for a long term deal and he's the big fish in a little free agent WR pond. So when it comes to signing Randle-El, ask yourself if you want to see the Eagles sign him to a long term deal.
There's no one available RIGHT NOW in free agency who is, what I would consider a long term solution. That's why I want Moulds. What the Eagles need is a true #1 reciever for the next 2 or 3 years and hopefully by that point, Brown will be poised to take over.
Get Moulds.
i just want to state something right now.....there are THREE things i love about this thread....El...Dio...and Sasha Cohen. Everyone else can join Wingspan at the nail salon. :-D :flipoff
Guess misinformation King is reporting the Eagles will make a hard push for Hutchinson and will sign Randle El when free agency starts. Apparently he's working out with Donovan in Arizona and they share the same agent.
Also, NFL station (Sirius) is reporting us and Da Bears as the teams showing the most interest in Randle El.
It's funny. Our biggest issue right now is the defensive line, yet every rumored player coming here is offensive. The funny thing about it is, this team usually always signs defensive players during the offseason first and foremost.
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 25, 2006, 04:52:51 PM
It's funny. Our biggest issue right now is the defensive line, yet every rumored player coming here is offensive. The funny thing about it is, this team usually always signs defensive players during the offseason first and foremost.
So what's that tell you the Eagles are gonna concentrate their efforts 1st?
if they want randal el they could just draft michael robinson....get moulds.
I also want Moulds. I just don't see the Eagles bringing in a 30+ year-old receiver with a past history of attitude troubles.
Fool me once & whatnot...
I think Randle El will carry a large price tag, but he also solves our PR issues.
All factors considered, I'd rather have Moulds, though.
There are much cheaper ways of solving the PR issues besides Randle El.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 25, 2006, 06:26:10 PM
I also want Moulds. I just don't see the Eagles bringing in a 30+ year-old receiver with a past history of attitude troubles.
Fool me once & whatnot...
He doesn't really have attitude problems though. He had the issue this past year with Mularkey and that's all that's on this guy's record his whole 10 year career. Nothing like the resident (for the next week or so, anyway) shteinhead.
Moulds is 32 now and will be 33 in July... 5 months older than TO.
Rod Smith is 36 (May)
Jimmy Simth is 37
Isaac Bruce is 33 (34 in Nov)
Joey Galloway is 35
Terry Glenn is 34 (July)
Meshawn is 34 (July)
Keenan McCardell is 36
All guys on the north side of 30 who are still getting it done and could step in and help the Eagles if they were available. Some are... or will be. All we need is a reliable stop-gap who can contribute for a few years.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 25, 2006, 06:26:51 PM
I think Randle El will carry a large price tag, but he also solves our PR issues.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 25, 2006, 06:42:59 PM
There are much cheaper ways of solving the PR issues besides Randle El.
Jeremy Bloom?
yeah, moulds would be able to fill the "#1 wr" role for a couple years until brown is ready to carry the load...
don't get me wrong, i wouldn't mind randal el, but only as a #3 wr/punt returner & not if his salary will prevent them from upgrading in other areas...de, dt, olb.
Just get 'em both. >:D
works for me! :yay
This thread's getting awfully repetitive so I'm going to offer a new point of view.
Moulds will be a great fit because he's only going to play for a couple more years and by that time, Reggie Brown will be ready to step up.
Randle El would certainly be a nice addition to the team, but he's going to cost too much money to use in a back up/special teams role.
Farg Dallas.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 25, 2006, 08:49:51 PM
This thread's getting awfully repetitive so I'm going to offer a new point of view.
Moulds will be a great fit because he's only going to play for a couple more years and by that time, Reggie Brown will be ready to step up.
Randle El would certainly be a nice addition to the team, but he's going to cost too much money to use in a back up/special teams role.
Farg Dallas.
David Givens> Randle El.
Moulds is a long shot, but if it doesn't happen with him, let Givens be the next in line.
Right on.
Moulds
Givens
Randle El
Thats my wishlist. And Randle El could be pushed by a few other guys for that 3rd spot too.
david givens=torrance small=james thrash=charles johnson= :puke:
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 25, 2006, 08:49:51 PM
Moulds will be a great fit because he's only going to play for a couple more years and by that time, Reggie Brown will be ready to step up.
Randle El would certainly be a nice addition to the team, but he's going to cost too much money to use in a back up/special teams role.
You just don't get it, dude.
The only thing Moulds is good for is a stopgap #1 until Brown is the #1.
And sure, Randle El WILL improve our Special Teams and Offense, but he is NEVER going to be a #1. Unfortunately, it looks like he might command that much money in the current market.
The real problem is Randle El will be expensive, and Moulds would only be around for a couple years until Brown steps up. It's a dilly of a pickle.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 25, 2006, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 25, 2006, 08:49:51 PM
Moulds will be a great fit because he's only going to play for a couple more years and by that time, Reggie Brown will be ready to step up.
Randle El would certainly be a nice addition to the team, but he's going to cost too much money to use in a back up/special teams role.
You just don't get it, dude.
The only thing Moulds is good for is a stopgap #1 until Brown is the #1.
And sure, Randle El WILL improve our Special Teams and Offense, but he is NEVER going to be a #1. Unfortunately, it looks like he might command that much money in the current market.
I think that is pretty much the point
Dio.
I think the argument is that there are some people who feel Reggie is not ready to be the #1 this season. Kind of a 1.5 so to speak. Moulds/Givens would be able to help in taking up some of the slack left by Owens, while Reggie snaps into the number one spot, but also be there if Reggie has a sophomore slump.
Randle El would be great to have to shore up the special teams, and the #3/Slot position. He also adds more value on the gimmick side of the house. He is not on the same level as Givens, Moulds, and dare I say it, Reggie in terms of being a receiver. There is no doubt that ARE is the answer to the teams KR/PR issues, and the slot/#3 spot, he could possibly become a number two, but has never demonstrated the ability to due so.
The amounts of money he is going to want, and more than likely get, is not in the least bit congruent with his utility as a receiver. When you factor in his gimmick ability and his talents on STs, that increases his value, and whether that makes him worth the money is debateable. IMO Randle El is not the answer to the teams WR problems.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 25, 2006, 09:13:13 PMI think that is pretty much the point Dio.
One easy way to tell if a joke you made was funny or not is if people don't even realize it's a joke. That counts as a real good sign that you weren't funny.
But you're just one person. I choose to believe other people will understand what I'm saying and chuckle. Maybe just a little. I'm a man of faith.
So yeah, about that next round....
Givens I'd take, but only because he's probably going to be pretty cheap. He's nothing more than a possession receiver. I'm in the majority with Moulds.
Is there any possibility that the Eagles are using Randle El as a smoke screen?
i love how randel el is going to be overpaid but a 33 year old supposed #1 wr in moulds wont be
moulds is close to being done if he isnt already
id take randel el over him any day...at least youll get extended usage out of him...whether its worth the money or not
Moulds isn't close to being done from what I saw. The game against Denver in Buffalo, I kept close attention to Moulds. I'm very confident he has a lot left from what I saw of him during the season.
hes old doesnt have his heart in the game and is looking for one last pay day...hes free agent eboli right now
That's the logic that got us James Thrash.
Speaking of, he's about to be cut, I hear tell.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 25, 2006, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 25, 2006, 08:49:51 PM
Moulds will be a great fit because he's only going to play for a couple more years and by that time, Reggie Brown will be ready to step up.
Randle El would certainly be a nice addition to the team, but he's going to cost too much money to use in a back up/special teams role.
You just don't get it, dude.
The only thing Moulds is good for is a stopgap #1 until Brown is the #1.
And sure, Randle El WILL improve our Special Teams and Offense, but he is NEVER going to be a #1. Unfortunately, it looks like he might command that much money in the current market.
You sir, like to think outside the box.
Quote from: mhunt on February 25, 2006, 09:00:59 PM
david givens=torrance small=james thrash=charles johnson= :puke:
MHUNT you are dead on with this. :yay
Randall El is a dynamic player/playmaker.
A team can never have enough dynamic players/playmakers.
You don't need to study Aristotelian logic to understand the Randall El would make the eagles a better team. He's capable of doing more things on the field than most players in the league. When he suits up on game day, his team can dress two extra rotation players because they don't need to waste bench space for a third string QB or a return specialist. Bottom line, he can contribute gamebreaking plays from anywhere on the field. He's worth just as much as Brian Westbrook and he's a thousand times more durable.
Quote from: prophet215 on February 26, 2006, 08:15:46 AM
Randall El is a dynamic player/playmaker.
So what you're saying is, the Eagles should talk Torrence Small out of retirement?
what I'm saying is you should buy a dictionary and look up the word dynamic, you moron. Actually, don't waste your money on a dictionary. Buy a bullet and put in your head.
*sigh*
Quote from: mhunt on February 25, 2006, 09:00:59 PM
david givens=torrance small=james thrash=charles johnson= :puke:
Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 25, 2006, 09:17:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 25, 2006, 09:13:13 PMI think that is pretty much the point Dio.
One easy way to tell if a joke you made was funny or not is if people don't even realize it's a joke. That counts as a real good sign that you weren't funny.
I actuallly lol'd at this :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 25, 2006, 11:19:07 PM
i love how randel el is going to be overpaid but a 33 year old supposed #1 wr in moulds wont be
moulds is close to being done if he isnt already
id take randel el over him any day...at least youll get extended usage out of him...whether its worth the money or not
He caught over 80 balls the last two seasons. Moulds is exactly what we need.
Quote from: prophet215 on February 26, 2006, 08:26:35 AM
what I'm saying is you should buy a dictionary and look up the word dynamic, you moron. Actually, don't waste your money on a dictionary. Buy a bullet and put in your head.
Prophet's having a good day I see. :-D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2006, 09:33:13 AM
Prophet's having a good day I see. :-D
I was just lending a helpful suggestion about how duke can spend his afternoon.
Why is Givens looked at as Charles Johnson/Torrance Small?
He's very good, IMO.
And Randle El has 7 career TDs. Not 17. Not 27. SEVEN.
Oh, and he's thrown 2, has 1 on a KR and 4 on a PR.
That is a total of 14 TDs in 4 years. But he'd be signed to be a WR and there he has 7 TDs.
Dynamic or not, he's going to command a lot of coin.
I should add that I would literally soil my shorts if the Eagles actually got any of the guys we've been talking about (Moulds, Randle El, or Givens). More likely, they'll bring one or more of them in, get outbid, and then convince us all that Reggie Brown is ready to be a true #1 and that the receiving corps will be "fine".
Yay team!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2006, 10:57:29 AM
Why is Givens looked at as Charles Johnson/Torrance Small?
He's very good, IMO.
givens has never been a true #1 wr and his numbers are eerily similar to those of small, johnson, & thrash right before the eagles acquired them.
And Randle El isn't much better than him.
Givens:
2002 - 9rec 92yds 1TD
2003 - 34rec 510yds 6Tds
2004 - 56rec 874yds 3TDs
2005 - 59rec 738yds 2TDs
Randle El:
2002 - 47rec 489yds 2TDs
2003 - 37rec 364yds 1TD
2004 - 43 rec 601 yds 3TDs
2005 - 35rec 558yds 1TD
Givens = 158 catches 2214 yards 14.0ypc 12TDs
Randle El = 162 catches 2012 yards 12.4ypc 7TDs
Is ARE really worth all that much more? Is he worth big money at all?
You have a guy who played in a run oriented offense and mostly as a #3.
You have a guy who played in an Eagles-like spread-it-around-to-everyone offense and still put up numbers.
i'm not claiming randal el is better than givens...i'm saying that givens is no better than the crap wr's the eagles have acquired in the past.
givens last year compared to these guys the season before signed by the eagles:
givens: 59/738/2
small: 45/681/7
johnson: 65/815/7
thrash: 50/653/2
givens would help the wr depth but he's no #1, even if the eagles try to sell him as one like they did with the stiffs listed above.
And Randle El has 7 career TDs. Not 17. Not 27. SEVEN.
Oh, and he's thrown 2, has 1 on a KR and 4 on a PR.
That is a total of 14 TDs in 4 years. But he'd be signed to be a WR and there he has 7 TDs.
Dynamic or not, he's going to command a lot of coin.
randel el is behind a 100 catch wr in an offense that runs more than any other in the nfl..of course he isnt going to have huge numbers...put him in a 70% passing offense and he will make plays
as for the money of course hes going to command it...hes one of the top FA at his position and hes young...if you want one of those guys you gotta pay....im sick and tired of hearing about how much guys cost...take a chance and sign someone...its better than having a mike macmahon offseason
I'm not saying be cheap. I'm saying be smart. Go spend it on other areas instead of overpaying for ARE. Just because I don't want them blowing a wad on him doesn't mean I only want a Mike Mc offseason
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2006, 02:36:51 PM
I'm not saying be cheap. I'm saying be smart. Go spend it on other areas instead of overpaying for ARE. Just because I don't want them blowing a wad on him doesn't mean I only want a Mike Mc offseason
Exactamundo!
That's basically been the philosophy behind the way the Eagles have been doing business since Reid got here. Really, other than Jevon Kearse, the Eagles haven't dramatically overspent on free agents and Kearse was a move that needed to be made.
Reid's philosophy has always been to spend money on players that deserve it, especially when it comes to wide recievers. Over the years, plenty of "big name" recievers have been free agents that Reid has passed on much to the chagrin of most Eagles fans. Peerless Price being the most prominant. When TO became available he didn't waste any time in going after him or spending the money to get him here. There was no doubt what TO was going to do for us and as far as his play goes, I think the Eagles got exactly what they paid for. But no one knows what ARE will bring to the table. Can anyone guarantee him getting 80 catches, 1200 yards and 10+ tds? I highly doubt it.
Reid will go after a guy who is a proven stud and spend big money on him. What he won't do is spend big money on a guy who's spent the majority of his career as a back up because there isn't any guarantees with that. That's why we had guys like Johnson, Small and Thrash starting. Because there was nothing about any of the other options that dramatically separated them (high dollar players) from cheaper options.
This is not a strong free agent class of recievers. Not when Randle El is in the top 3. But because he is near the top, he's going to command top dollar even though he may not be worth it. Sometimes you do have to over spend, but you do that on guys who have proven their worth. Guys like Runyan or maybe even Moulds. But you don't over spend to get a guy like Randle El.
i do not understand how u guys can judge randel el by stats.
A. He's was a slot receiver under, Burress and Hines Ward his entire career. Ward, IMO, is one of the top 5 receivers in the game. Burress's could be, but has no consistency what so ever and his size more or less kept him at the #2 spot.
B. Pittsburgh is a run happy offense if you didn't realize. A very succesful one at that.
I can't see how u can judge him on that alone. If given the right oppourtunity, I think, he could be a very good addition to our offense and special teams. I'd rather get the best talent out there, than get a one-dimensional guy. More bang for your buck, and if its more bucks, we got it.
I do agree it is not our major concern, but for whats left on the market and for the talent still on this team, we need to get the best players we can. window is shutting.
Quote from: mussa on February 26, 2006, 03:19:28 PM
i do not understand how u guys can judge randel el by stats.
A. He's was a slot receiver under, Burress and Hines Ward his entire career. Ward, IMO, is one of the top 5 receivers in the game. Burress's could be, but has no consistency what so ever and his size more or less kept him at the #2 spot.
The thing about that is that just this year... he pretty much got unseated from his #2 spot by a castoff from the Niners in Cedrick Wilson. Burress doesn't even figure into that.
Quote from: mussa on February 26, 2006, 03:19:28 PM
B. Pittsburgh is a run happy offense if you didn't realize. A very succesful one at that.
Like Phreak said somewhere earlier in this thread... the fact that he comes from a run first offense, only raises more questions. That means that his whole career he's had a dominant running game, and even an all-world WR opposite him to get opposing defenses to think about anything but him. He's often the forgotten guy. Also, being in a run first offense, there could be all sorts of flaws in his game that have been hidden by less opportunities in Pittsburgh that would come to light in a pass first offense like ours. He'd also be the guy opposing defenses focus on now.
Quote from: mussa on February 26, 2006, 03:19:28 PM
I can't see how u can judge him on that alone. If given the right oppourtunity, I think, he could be a very good addition to our offense and special teams. I'd rather get the best talent out there, than get a one-dimensional guy. More bang for your buck, and if its more bucks, we got it.
I do agree it is not our major concern, but for whats left on the market and for the talent still on this team, we need to get the best players we can. window is shutting.
See... that's my whole point. Although he's definitely the hottest name among FA WR's, I don't think he's the best talent out there. The fact that he can return punts is almost irrelevant to me because if I'm the Eagles, I'm not paying close to Reggie Wayne money for a punt returner. I'm paying for WR skills... and Randle-El's are questionable. As far as his trick-play ability... he showcases that ability because Cowher regularly uses him that way. They run a lot of trick plays. How many does AR run? The last one I can think of off the top of my head is 2003 against Miami.
IMO, with Randle-El... it's cool that he's so versatile... but you can't lose sight of the fact that he's quite possibly just a very average NFL WR. That, first and foremost is what you need to evaluating him on.
Amen! Hold it down!
haters.
i hope we get somebody damnit.
Quote from: mussa on February 26, 2006, 04:07:32 PM
haters.
i hope we get somebody damnit.
I think we all do. And if Randle El is the best available, then so be it. I just don't want them to get completely focused on him as if he's the missing link.
I would like to see the Eagles go after Moulds first, Randle El second.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 25, 2006, 11:30:44 PM
hes old doesnt have his heart in the game and is looking for one last pay day...hes free agent eboli right now
Y'know... I keep looking for one fact in this sentence, but I just can't seem to find one. Sounds to me like you're just talking out of your ass.
I already showed in this thread that there are a number of guys even older than Moulds and are still getting it done with their respective teams. Even as "old" as he is... he still managed to haul in 81 catches last year despite JP Losman and Kelly Holcomb being on the other end of them. His whole career, he's been consistent as hell, leading his team in receptions... despite working with a bunch of zesty QB's like Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, Alex Van Pelt, Doug Flutie and Bledsoe at the end of his run in BUF in addition to the two I already mentioned. Moulds would be a bonafide weapon with McNabb getting him the ball. The guy has and is still getting it done.
He may not even looking for a huge "pay day". A lot of things I read on it say that he's refusing to restructure as a way to skip town and move to a contender. Either way, at this point in his career... he's STILL a better WR than Randle-El and will cost less.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 26, 2006, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: mussa on February 26, 2006, 04:07:32 PM
haters.
i hope we get somebody damnit.
I think we all do. And if Randle El is the best available, then so be it. I just don't want them to get completely focused on him as if he's the missing link.
I would like to see the Eagles go after Moulds first, Randle El second.
Exactly... I won't be upset if we get Randle-El... I just don't think he's the best option out there... and that's what I want the Eagles to get. Like mussa said, this team doesn't have forever... and at this point, IMO Moulds helps more than Randle-El does.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 26, 2006, 03:56:29 PM
Quote from: mussa on February 26, 2006, 03:19:28 PM
i do not understand how u guys can judge randel el by stats.
A. He's was a slot receiver under, Burress and Hines Ward his entire career. Ward, IMO, is one of the top 5 receivers in the game. Burress's could be, but has no consistency what so ever and his size more or less kept him at the #2 spot.
The thing about that is that just this year... he pretty much got unseated from his #2 spot by a castoff from the Niners in Cedrick Wilson. Burress doesn't even figure into that.
Quote from: mussa on February 26, 2006, 03:19:28 PM
B. Pittsburgh is a run happy offense if you didn't realize. A very succesful one at that.
Like Phreak said somewhere earlier in this thread... the fact that he comes from a run first offense, only raises more questions. That means that his whole career he's had a dominant running game, and even an all-world WR opposite him to get opposing defenses to think about anything but him. He's often the forgotten guy. Also, being in a run first offense, there could be all sorts of flaws in his game that have been hidden by less opportunities in Pittsburgh that would come to light in a pass first offense like ours. He'd also be the guy opposing defenses focus on now.
Quote from: mussa on February 26, 2006, 03:19:28 PM
I can't see how u can judge him on that alone. If given the right oppourtunity, I think, he could be a very good addition to our offense and special teams. I'd rather get the best talent out there, than get a one-dimensional guy. More bang for your buck, and if its more bucks, we got it.
I do agree it is not our major concern, but for whats left on the market and for the talent still on this team, we need to get the best players we can. window is shutting.
See... that's my whole point. Although he's definitely the hottest name among FA WR's, I don't think he's the best talent out there. The fact that he can return punts is almost irrelevant to me because if I'm the Eagles, I'm not paying close to Reggie Wayne money for a punt returner. I'm paying for WR skills... and Randle-El's are questionable. As far as his trick-play ability... he showcases that ability because Cowher regularly uses him that way. They run a lot of trick plays. How many does AR run? The last one I can think of off the top of my head is 2003 against Miami.
IMO, with Randle-El... it's cool that he's so versatile... but you can't lose sight of the fact that he's quite possibly just a very average NFL WR. That, first and foremost is what you need to evaluating him on.
I agree with mostly everything you said. When I say I don't want Randle El, I'm not going by stats either. I'm talking about what I've seen. From what I've seen, he's an average NFL receiver. He does a lot of stuff, and that's nice, but for what he's going to get paid, he's not worth it, because the most important part - the receiving, he is average.
He's coming loose. (http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060226/1017784.asp)
QuoteThe chances of wide receiver Eric Moulds staying with the Buffalo Bills were already slim. Now his departure appears a virtual certainty.
Moulds' agent, Harry Henderson, said his client has no intention of taking a pay cut to remain with the Bills.
"I don't think that's an option at all," Henderson told The Buffalo News at the NFL Scouting Combine. "He's under contract, so they should pay him. If they want to reduce him, I just don't think he's going to be there."
Damn, we need a "doin' the cabbage patch" smilie...
We're getting Thrash.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 26, 2006, 07:14:11 PM
He's coming loose. (http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060226/1017784.asp)
QuoteThe chances of wide receiver Eric Moulds staying with the Buffalo Bills were already slim. Now his departure appears a virtual certainty.
Moulds' agent, Harry Henderson, said his client has no intention of taking a pay cut to remain with the Bills.
"I don't think that's an option at all," Henderson told The Buffalo News at the NFL Scouting Combine. "He's under contract, so they should pay him. If they want to reduce him, I just don't think he's going to be there."
Damn, we need a "doin' the cabbage patch" smilie...
No one, and I mean NO ONE does the Cabbage Patch better than drunk, 30 something white men.
(http://www2.psych.purdue.edu/~garcia/photogallery/spsp2004/Cabbage%20Patch%20Man.JPG)
There's a few rising stars on the Japanese circuit that would beg to differ.
(http://www.sevenohfive.com/festivals_html/sdaff2003/day2_5/images/IMGP1230.jpg)
The dude on the left looks like he's trying really, really hard to go poop.
Some thing I was thinking about while I was watching some of the QBs doing drills at the combine today while listing to dumbshtein Mayock blabbing away about some of the faster, bigger QBs might become WRs at the next level:
Remember last year in the draft how just about everyone was surprised when the Jaguars picked Matt Jones twenty-first overall? Remember later when it came out that the Eagles would have probably taken him if he dropped to 31? While Matt Jones has the (bigger) size of a big wide reciever, he like Randle El also has blazing 4.3 speed, and was a decent QB in college. Now it seems like the Eagles are seriously targeting ARE, who while smaller, is pretty much the same package. Just a thought, but I am betting Reid and Co. already have a lot of ideas about what to do with a guy with those skills.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 24, 2006, 07:37:02 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 24, 2006, 10:58:10 AMthere;s at least 6 other WRs out there that i would rather have than randel el.
Oh, yeah? Name 'em.
Josh Reed
Joe Jurevicius
Rod Gardner
Koren Robinson
Jabar Gaffney
David Givens
from the restricted list, Brandon Lloyd, Kevin Curtis.
*if moulds is cut, then remove gardner from my list, and insert moulds. but moulds isnt a FA yet.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 10:54:19 AM
Josh Reed
Joe Jurevicius
Rod Gardner
Koren Robinson
Jabar Gaffney
David Givens
from the restricted list, Brandon Lloyd, Kevin Curtis.
*if moulds is cut, then remove gardner from my list, and insert moulds. but moulds isnt a FA yet.
Wow. Let me break down that list for you.
Sucks.
Old.
Sucks hard.
Drunk.
Eats ass.
Meh.
Talented, but spotty. Not bad, but will get high tender.
Get Moulds or Randle El if you're going to get anyone. MAYBE Givens. But your list is really a litany of suck.
Josh Reed
Joe Jurevicius
Rod Gardner
Koren Robinson
Jabar Gaffney
David Givens
are you being serious?
I think he is, IGY. I really think he is. Wowee wow wow.
im far from being on the get randel el at all costs bus...but jesus....jabar gaffney??
why don't we make a trade offer for thrash?
i had a dream last night of the upcoming season. and mcnabb threw a bomb to a wide open pinkston. and he dropped it.
Yeah Wing... I gotta say that's a pretty weak list. I'd take Givens over Randle-El and I would probably consider Jerevicius... but other than that, I'm kicking the TV that tells me that one of those other guys are our WR "help" in 2006.
whomever the birds go after will be for the #3 role. and i think all of them are suited well for it.
i dont think randel el is the best option...just the biggest "name"
if the steelers hadnt won the SB, no one would really think twice about him. he's following the same path as az-hakin did the year after the rams won the SB and az-hakim made some memorable gadget plays work.
realistically, next years WR's are going to be
Reggie Brown #1
Pinkston or Lewis #2
new guy #3
I don't agree that they're only looking at a guy to play #3, but even if that's the case... Randle-El is still a better option for that postion than most of those guys.
Reggie Brown #1
Pinkston or Lewis #2
new guy #3
if this happens ill give up my season tickets......
then ill kill myself
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2006, 11:17:48 AM
Reggie Brown #1
Pinkston or Lewis #2
new guy #3
if this happens ill give up my season tickets......
then ill kill myself
i'll take em.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 11:15:03 AM
realistically, next years WR's are going to be
Reggie Brown #1
Pinkston or Lewis #2
new guy #3
No, they're not. But you keep believing that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2006, 11:17:48 AM
Reggie Brown #1
Pinkston or Lewis #2
new guy #3
if this happens ill give up my season tickets......
then ill kill myself
I got dibs
get new guy # 3!
We need Ed to make one of his fake jersey avatars that looks like an Eagles jersey... says "NEW GUY" with #3.
That would be that is incredibly accurate hilarious. Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute..
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2006, 11:19:10 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 11:15:03 AM
realistically, next years WR's are going to be
Reggie Brown #1
Pinkston or Lewis #2
new guy #3
No, they're not. But you keep believing that.
i'll do just that. that way, i wont be :boom ing when nothing happens to the WRs over the offseason
Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 27, 2006, 11:19:10 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 11:15:03 AM
realistically, next years WR's are going to be
Reggie Brown #1
Pinkston or Lewis #2
new guy #3
No, they're not. But you keep believing that.
i'll do just that. that way, i wont be :boom ing when nothing happens to the WRs over the offseason
Maybe not, but you'll be :boom ing with the rest of us when the pass offense is garbage as hell next year. Take your pick.
i'm more concerned about the overall craptastic play of the defense last season that i am the offense.
there were so many injuries and drama bullshtein that really, no one can really be evaluated fairly as they were forced into roles they werent meant for.
i'm not worried about the offense. as long as they are healthy, they will be fine, in my opinion.
Like we have any say.....
BTW, I agree with Wing. Except new guy is spelled McMullen.
i would somewhat agree IF andy ran the ball...but he doesnt and he wont...therefore you need better receivers than that
Yup...
if they dont run the ball more, then it wont matter who the WR's are, mcnabb will be half dead again by week 8.
Quote from: hunt on February 26, 2006, 12:30:02 PM
i'm not claiming randal el is better than givens...i'm saying that givens is no better than the crap wr's the eagles have acquired in the past.
givens last year compared to these guys the season before signed by the eagles:
givens: 59/738/2
small: 45/681/7
johnson: 65/815/7
thrash: 50/653/2
givens would help the wr depth but he's no #1, even if the eagles try to sell him as one like they did with the stiffs listed above.
Given is no better than Johnson, Small, or Thrash?!?! That is the most ridiculous thing I've seen in awhile. Have you even watched him play? What did Moulds have this year? 800 yard and 4 touchdowns. Maybe he'd only be a Johnson or Small if we picked him up too.
Givens is a very tough, reliable, smart receiver who runs good routes, rarely drops passes and makes plays on third downs and in big games. He's played in 8 playoff games and has a touchdown in 7 of them. During the McNabb/Reid era, the Eagles have played in 11 playoff games. Their wide receivers have a total of 6 touchdown catches (Pinkston 2, G. Lewis 1, F. Mitchell 1, Small 1, Thrash 1).
Sure Givens isn't a #1 WR - has anyone even suggested he would be? No one should have any expectations of him being a 1,200 yard 10 touchdown a year player. But you all have to face the fact that there will not be one of those receivers on the roster this year unless Reggie Brown steps up and becomes that guy. The only potential free agent that could have brought those kind of numbers here was resigned by the Colts last week. But just because there is no top shelf guy, doesn't mean other receivers can't come in here and improve your team. Givens would be a very nice addition to their WR corps and give the Eagles one of the most reliable receivers they've had in some time. Comparing Givens to Johnson, Small and Thrash is ridiculous, and anybody who has seen him play knows as much.
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WR Moulds rejects Bills' offer to restructure contract
BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) - Eric Moulds rejected the Buffalo Bills' offer Monday for restructuring his hefty contract, a decision that could lead the team to release its veteran star receiver by as early as this week.
''Based on what they're proposing, I guess it's not encouraging,'' Moulds' agent Harry Henderson told The Associated Press by telephone following a meeting with team officials. ''We're way off. ... Our attitude has been optimistic, but realistically it may not happen.''
Moulds, a 10-year veteran and the team's senior player, has two years left on his contract, scheduled to count $10.85 million against the salary cap next season. His salary would represent about one-ninth of the projected cap, a figure the Bills deem far too expensive.
Unless a new deal can be reached, the Bills would have little choice but to cut Moulds, which would save the team about $5.5 million in cap room. His release could come as early as this week, prior to the NFL's free-agency period, which is scheduled to open Friday. The Bills declined comment except to confirm that a meeting took place between the team and Moulds' representatives.
Buffalo's first-round pick in the 1996 draft, Moulds is a three-time Pro Bowl selection and ranks second on the team in several career receiving categories.
Henderson said no further talks are scheduled but added he is open to negotiations and would like to cooperate with the team in an attempt to keep Moulds in Buffalo. Henderson wouldn't provide details of the Bills' offer or what his client would be willing to accept.
''We're open,'' he said. ''Good football teams find ways to keep their best players.''
Henderson wouldn't entirely rule out Moulds accepting a pay cut, but said: ''Eric is under contract so we have a deal. It's the Bills that want to change.''
Moulds is coming off a down season but still led the team with 81 catches for 816 yards in 15 games. He was suspended for one game by former coach Mike Mularkey for conduct detrimental to the team after an apparent sideline dispute with an assistant coach.
The suspension, which came in Week 14, didn't affect Moulds' performance down the stretch. He returned in top form, finishing with 27 catches for 305 yards and a touchdown in the final three games.
Dick Jauron has taken over as coach following Mularkey's sudden resignation last month, while Marv Levy is the Bills' new general manager replacing Tom Donahoe. Both previously expressed hope the team could reach a deal to keep Moulds.
Moulds has been a full-time starter since his third season in Buffalo. In 154 games, he has 675 catches for 9,096 yards and 48 touchdowns. Only Andre Reed has more catches (941) and yards (13,095) among Bills receivers.
The Bills offense struggled last season, contributing to the team's 5-11 finish.
Buffalo gained 4,122 yards, a franchise low in a 16-game season. The team's six touchdowns rushing, 1,607 yards rushing and 2,515 yards passing were all the second fewest for a 16-game season
Quote from: PhillyFan on February 27, 2006, 09:00:34 PM
During the McNabb/Reid era, the Eagles have played in 11 playoff games. Their wide receivers have a total of 6 touchdown catches (Pinkston 2, G. Lewis 1, F. Mitchell 1, Small 1, Thrash 1).
You are so totally forgetting about Na Brown's td catch against Tampa in 2000. I stopped reading at that point because you are full of the poo. :P
From Adam Schefter on NFL.com:
QuoteArizona has over $20 million in salary-cap space, and it has needs along the offensive line and at running back.
Yet the one offensive free agent that the Cardinals intend to pursue is Pittsburgh's free-agent wide receiver Antwaan Randle El. The Cardinals think he could provide more depth to a position that already includes Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, and Randle El could bolster their return game.
The problem with Randle El won't be having the money to spend on him. It will be outbidding other teams. Chicago will be interested, New England could be, and Denver might even make a run at him if it could find the funds. One NFL GM said Randle El will be one of the most coveted players on this year's market.
Arizona? :sly
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2006, 12:28:01 AM
From Adam Schefter on NFL.com:
QuoteArizona has over $20 million in salary-cap space, and it has needs along the offensive line and at running back.
Yet the one offensive free agent that the Cardinals intend to pursue is Pittsburgh's free-agent wide receiver Antwaan Randle El. The Cardinals think he could provide more depth to a position that already includes Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, and Randle El could bolster their return game.
The problem with Randle El won't be having the money to spend on him. It will be outbidding other teams. Chicago will be interested, New England could be, and Denver might even make a run at him if it could find the funds. One NFL GM said Randle El will be one of the most coveted players on this year's market.
Arizona? :sly
No mention of our favorite pass-happy team, either.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2006, 12:28:01 AM
From Adam Schefter on NFL.com:
QuoteArizona has over $20 million in salary-cap space, and it has needs along the offensive line and at running back.
Yet the one offensive free agent that the Cardinals intend to pursue is Pittsburgh's free-agent wide receiver Antwaan Randle El. The Cardinals think he could provide more depth to a position that already includes Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, and Randle El could bolster their return game.
The problem with Randle El won't be having the money to spend on him. It will be outbidding other teams. Chicago will be interested, New England could be, and Denver might even make a run at him if it could find the funds. One NFL GM said Randle El will be one of the most coveted players on this year's market.
Saw that last night. He is going to go to the highest bidder, which won't be the Birds. Randle El is a great player, and I would love to have him on the team, but he is simply not worth the money he's going to get.
but he is simply not worth the money he's going to get
im sick and tired of hearing this....do any of you ever think anyone is worth the money...was kearse worth the money?....if you want one of the top free agents in a particular year you gotta over pay to get them...
if you think randel el sucks and/or wouldnt help the team then thats understandable but you cant say this Randle El is a great player, and I would love to have him on the team and then say this but he is simply not worth the money he's going to get.
He's certainly not good enough to deserve a contract like Wayne got. But he's likely to get one, so it might as well damage someone else's cap.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 07:57:47 AM
but he is simply not worth the money he's going to get
im sick and tired of hearing this....do any of you ever think anyone is worth the money...was kearse worth the money?....if you want one of the top free agents in a particular year you gotta over pay to get them...
if you think randel el sucks and/or wouldnt help the team then thats understandable but you cant say this Randle El is a great player, and I would love to have him on the team and then say this but he is simply not worth the money he's going to get.
Okay, say Randle El gets a contract that is similar to what Wayne received, maybe slightly less. If his production is about the same as it was with the Steelers, would it have made sense to pay out that much money for him, or would it have made more sense to get a decent WR to fill the #3 spot, and a KR/PR in the draft, and use the money you would have blown on a better FA aquisition like Witherspoon, Hutchison, etc? I am of the opinion that Randle El is an awesome weapon, but what he will produce will not be worth the money he'll command. It's actually pretty easy to say I would love to have him on the team, but that he'll be too expensive to come our way. Because odds are, that is what is going to happen.
I am of the opinion that Randle El is an awesome weapon, but what he will produce will not be worth the money he'll command
he cant be an 'awesome weapon' and not be worth the money
and why is it a given that wanye will be better than randel el?
i dont see why wayne is worth all the money but randel el isnt...im not saying wayne isnt the next marvin harrison but he could just as easily be the next peerless price...as could randel el...
my point is randel el is one of the best free agents at his position so youre of course gonna pay...imo if you think he will be a great asset to your team then you try and get him
again i ask was jevon kearse worth the money?...how about derrick burgess?
If the cap is around $105 million, Randle El will be worth the money, and the Eagles should probably overpay him.
I say this because they really need a solid return man right now as well as a receiver who can make some plays. I think the fact that Randle El fills two needs in one makes him of unique value, and the Eagles should make a serious run at him.
I don't think Wayne will perform to his contract either. Just like Kearse.
eagles fans have been brainwashed by joe banners swirly salary cap lollipop...so now whenever theres a free agent who wants to cake off they go around looking for reasons not to sign him
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 09:07:16 AM
eagles fans have been brainwashed by joe banners swirly salary cap lollipop...so now whenever theres a free agent who wants to cake off they go around looking for reasons not to sign him
Read my post above. Sign the motherfarger!
sometimes you have to overpay to upgrade. I dont want McNabb counting on a return from injury Pinkston, Greg Lewis, and Wilbur McMullen. I dont care how much they have to spend to get a FA WR.
haven't the Eagles proven they won't put themselves in a dangerous cap situation? i don't get why so many people worry about what contract a guy is going to get. it's not your money.
If a free agent WR isn't any better than Lewis/Pinky, etc. then what's the point?
you don't think that ARE is better than Greg Lewis?
If a free agent WR isn't any better than Lewis/Pinky, etc. then what's the point?
lewis is fortunate to be in the league and pinky is one sprint drill away from retirement....ARE is arguably the number one free agent wr in the entire league...what are you talking about?
Greg Lewis >>> ALE
at sucking
ROTFLMFAO!1!!1!
U totalle had me goinz!1!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 28, 2006, 09:12:34 AM
you don't think that ARE is better than Greg Lewis?
Obviously, I do. What I meant was if a superior WR can be gotten elsewhere (say the draft, for instance) then why piss millions away on a player who would only be a modest upgrade, especially considering the holes that need to be filled elsewhere?
IMO, there are more pressing concerns than WR on the Eagles and unless they can get a WR in there at a reasonable price, then acquiring one via the draft or waiting for someone to be released as a cap casualty might be a better option.
Besides, I think Randle El is going to Chicago anyway, so this entire discussion is pointless.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 28, 2006, 09:12:34 AM
you don't think that ARE is better than Greg Lewis?
as a WR, they i think they are about equal...however randel el brings PR skill as well...which gives him an edge.
randel el is not a starting WR, never has been, other than maybe 4 or 5 games this season, then he was beaten out of a job by cedric wilson.
What I meant was if a superior WR can be gotten elsewhere (say the draft, for instance) then why piss millions away on a player who would only be a slight upgrade, especially considering the holes that need to be filled elsewhere?
a superior anything is going to cost money...including first round draft picks
im not even saying randel el is the answer to all the ills...i can even go with someone thinking hes gonna flop and not wanting him...but if you think hes very good to great and will really help the team out then you go for him...regardless of the money
i cant take all the eagle fans who think hes good but he wants a little too much money or hed be a great addition but if he wants anything close to wayne money then forget it
that's absurd. Randal El can catch a ball and is a threat to go the distance everytime, Greg Lewis isn't any threat, anytime
as a WR, they i think they are about equal
wow are you for real?
i can see an argument for a healthy pinky...but greg lewis???...hes brutal
Hey Wingspan... PASS THAT SH!T!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 09:20:01 AM
i cant take all the eagle fans who think hes good but he wants a little too much money or hed be a great addition but if he wants anything close to wayne money then forget it
He's not worth Wayne-type money. He's never produced at that level to warrant that kind of financial outlay, IGY. That's why people are resistant to having the Eagles fork it over to him.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 28, 2006, 09:20:11 AM
Greg Lewis isn't any threat, anytime
Except in the Super Bowl.
In the Superbowl against some of the worst corners in the world.
Questions:
Is Randle El a legitimate #1 receiver in the NFL?
Does he have the ability to be a legitimate #1 receiver in the NFL?
If the answer to both questions is "no" then you don't pay him like one. That's precisely what he's going to get from a team. My question is, does he deserve it based on past performance * or forseeable potential *?
* Edited
Quote from: rjs246 on February 28, 2006, 09:41:24 AM
In the Superbowl against some of the worst corners in the world.
It was a joke, Sally. Don't get your skivvies in an uproar.
My skivvies may be in an uproar, but it's got nothing to do with your imperceptible sense of humor.
Drinking High Life Light again last night?
those arent the questions you ask
the questions you ask is...
would he significantly improve the eagles
would he be a very good to great weapon for the eagles
you arent signing people on past performance...otherwise draft picks would play for free their rookie years...you sign someone on what you think they will do for your team...and like i said if you think ARE isnt any better than greg lewis then you dont sign him...but if you think he can be very valuable to your team then you go after him...money shouldnt be the deciding factor here
stop with the penny pinching...its rather sickening
No, the ladyfriend is out of town so all I eat is wings, chili and frozen beer cubes.
So wait, are you saying the Moulds might be cut? Why hasn't anyone mentioned this yet?
Quote from: rjs246 on February 28, 2006, 09:51:16 AM
So wait, are you saying the Moulds might be cut? Why hasn't anyone mentioned this yet?
yeah, I deleted it, sorry. Its what happens when you dont' post as much as you used to. ;)
Who's Moulds?
Former lead singer of the band Husker Du?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 09:48:05 AM
stop with the penny pinching...its rather sickening
I'm not penny pinching. I was simply posing questions pertaining to the topic at hand.
Is Randle El worth #1 money? IMO, no he is not.
Like it or not, the NFL operates within budgetary guidelines, IGY. Spending huge chunks of money on second-tier players might sound like a good idea, and it would be if financial restraints weren't placed on all teams, but it's been proven over and over that it is not with the way the current system works.
you don't have to worry about the budget, at all. the Eagles have people that do that. so, if they do decide to give him #1 money, you shouldn't worry about it, because the Eagles know how to operate within the salary cap.
If the cap jumps to around $105 million, we will find out once and for all just how cheap the Eagles FO is or is not.
GET TO! :D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 28, 2006, 10:01:27 AM
you don't have to worry about the budget, at all. the Eagles have people that do that. so, if they do decide to give him #1 money, you shouldn't worry about it, because the Eagles know how to operate within the salary cap.
Again, I'm not worried about their budget. I'm concerned/interested about which players they'll sign to fit into that budget.
@ FF: Agreed. If the cap goes to $105M, it will be very interesting to see how the Eagles approach that windfall.
Spending huge chunks of money on second-tier players might sound like a good idea, and it would be if financial restraints weren't placed on all teams, but it's been proven over and over that it is not with the way the current system works.
derrick burgess says (http://www.accboards.com/UBB/wave.gif)
Using an exception, even one that ultimately kind of screwed over our favorite team, doesn't prove your point.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 28, 2006, 10:20:01 AM
Using an exception, even one that ultimately kind of screwed over our favorite team, doesn't prove your point.
Exactly.
NO ONE was to know what Burgess was going to do. I am so sick of hearing the FO get bashed for letting him go. He played like 10 games over 3 seasons. While he had a nice game vs. the Falcons, that was NOT enough (IMO) to base a huge salary on. Oakland took a risk and it worked out for them. Had we paid him that money and he tore up another foot, how'd you have felt then?
Using an exception, even one that ultimately kind of screwed over our favorite team, doesn't prove your point.
second tier players get 'overpaid' all the time and wide up as very good players...just as top tier guys dont always pan out...the point is if you think someone can help your team you go after them
again i ask why is wayne worthy of big money but randel el isnt
kearse but not burgess
rocky bernard but not kendrick clancy
everyone knew what mike mcmahon was going to do.
i didnt really give the burgess thing a thought when it happened, figuring they had other moves to work on.
but the only move that was made was mike farging mcmahon.
that still pisses me off, that they did nothing to counter the loss of derrick burgess or anything else for that matter. other than force runyon to take a pay cut, and farg with simon for a few weeks (who subsequently farged right back at them).
none of the personell losses were that great on an individual basis....but what compounded them was to total lack of reaction to them.
I agree to some degree, but the Eagles did draft Trent Cole and expected McDougle to be available at DE.
Either you're arguing for argument's sake here or you're just being obtuse, IGY.
Kearse, Wayne & Bernard have all produced at a top-level in the NFL; the others on your list have not or had not prior to being signed.
Also - free agents get big money based on a variety of issues. If there's a scarcity of available players, they get paid. If a team is in desperate need of a player and has the dough available to overpay a second-tier player, they get paid.
The Eagles are not in a desperate situation at any position. Sure, they have needs and chronic ones at that, and the WR position is one of them, but overpaying a guy like Randle El would be a monumentally stupid decision on their part for the reasons that have already been outlined here ad nauseum.
The Eagles are not in a desperate situation at any position. Sure, they have needs and chronic ones at that, and the WR position is one of them
talk about obtuse
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 28, 2006, 10:34:34 AM
Either you're arguing for argument's sake here or you're just being obtuse, IGY.
What did you say to me?
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Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 10:43:02 AM
The Eagles are not in a desperate situation at any position. Sure, they have needs and chronic ones at that, and the WR position is one of them
talk about obtuse
There's a difference between a need and a desperate need.
Your desperate need for attention is a prime example.
Your desperate need for attention is a prime example
it must be working as i cant seem to remove you from my cack
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 28, 2006, 10:43:21 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 28, 2006, 10:34:34 AM
Either you're arguing for argument's sake here or you're just being obtuse, IGY.
What did you say to me?
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The Shawshank Redemption.
that's my gimmick and you may not infringe upon it
it's a retarded gimmick no matter who does it.
it's a dumb as the small type thing. i am MDS and i suck weeners
Quote from: Wingspan on February 28, 2006, 12:02:41 PM
it's a retarded gimmick no matter who does it.
your mom's a retarded gimmick
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 28, 2006, 09:11:51 AM
haven't the Eagles proven they won't put themselves in a dangerous cap situation? i don't get why so many people worry about what contract a guy is going to get. it's not your money.
Don't tell that to Cataldi. He says that the Eagles pocket the salary cap extras and that the money in the cap is the fans monet. :-D
yeah, one of the many reasons why i don't listen to that dogshtein show anymore.
I had it on on the way home because once again 950's commercials are seriously like 10 minutes long. I heard him say that and tried to figure out how he is so retarded. 950 needs to shorten the commercials or I need to ge off my ass and buy Sirius.
XM is better, but that's another discussion.
yall are crazy...cataldi rules and so does wip....
I would be buying Sirius because they're affiliated with the NFL.
you can't mean that, i understand why you like Howard, his show is entertaining because of the way he handles callers.
but you can't possibly think Cataldi has any value whatsoever. all he does is try to blow up every little thing into a huge conspiracy theory and try to make everything the end of the sporting world. he has a horrible whiney voice and that stupid hole he has with him adds nothing. Morganti talks the most sense but is always talked over by that douche bag so it's not worth listening to for one second.
cataldi is a champion for philly and defends the city and its fans at all costs...thats why i love him...and hes a realist as far as the teams go...hes a homer when it warrants and a hater when it warrants...thats the way everyone should be
he's never a homer, he's always a whiney hater, his act is played out IMO. but to each his own, that's the beauty of the on/off switch on a radio.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 01:43:16 PM
cataldi is a champion for philly and defends the city and its fans at all costs...thats why i love him...and hes a realist as far as the teams go...hes a homer when it warrants and a hater when it warrants...thats the way everyone should be
Wow, you've really bought into his act. Congratulations, sucker. People like you are putting food on his table.
Cataldi is an ingorant clown who wouldn't know a football if one hit him in his huge schnozz. The fact that he covered the game and still doesn't have a clue should tell you something.
And I love when he works up the masses in a furor over something that has nothing to do with the fans. But he interjects them into it to get a riot started. And of course the low IQ followers of his (see: Dirty Thirty) get all bent outta shape and sweat Angelos nuts.
FastFreddie likes him though. He even got his picture taken with him at Lehigh. :D
he's never a homer
when the eagles are good hes a sickening homer...you ever listen to the pregame show btwn 2001 and 2004
Wow, you've really bought into his act. Congratulations, sucker. People like you are putting food on his table.
everybody gotta eat
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2006, 01:46:43 PM
FastFreddie likes him though. He even got his picture taken with him at Lehigh. :D
I like him as a person, because he's a smart businessman and a funny guy.
I hate him as a radio host, because the idiot fans in my home city actually buy into his garbage and whine in tune.
You all sicken me with your talk radio discussion.
cataldi is actually a giants fan.
Cataldi's whole schtick is to just get people riled up. He doesn't believe what he says, he just does it to make everyone talk about him. He's an entertainer, plain and simple. Not a good one, but he just makes himself a point of controversy so people will talk about him. He's simply an actor.
I have to stick my $.02 in.... WIP and Cataldi both suck....
If Randle EL demands a contract even half of what Reggie Wayne got, forget it. He's not worth it. A similar type player can be had thru the draft. I'd prefer Jerevicous or Moulds if he came cheap.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 01:43:16 PM
cataldi is a champion for philly and defends the city and its fans at all costs...thats why i love him...and hes a realist as far as the teams go...hes a homer when it warrants and a hater when it warrants...thats the way everyone should be
You're not serious, IGY... if you are, I've been giving you way too much credit.
"Champion" for Philly... you got jokes. :-D
Randle El
Bernard
Jeff Garcia
Angelo says that the Eagles will offer ARE a contract for #2 money out of the gate on Friday to see if he'll take it and they'll go after Garcia after cutting both Neckbeard and McMahon.
As always, take it FWIW....
i heard that too...
of course then you have Howard saying they will go hard after Hutchinson. i just can't wait for this thing to start
Angelo Cataldi = veritable fountain of knowledge.
:-D
It would be funny if they had Garcia and Owens on the roster at the same time for a day or so.
God, I hope they cut both Koy and Mike... but I doubt they will.
GF is gonna have to pour out some King Koybra in honor of The Bearded One this weekend.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2006, 08:49:13 AM
Randle El
Bernard
Jeff Garcia
Angelo says that the Eagles will offer ARE a contract for #2 money out of the gate on Friday to see if he'll take it and they'll go after Garcia after cutting both Neckbeard and McMahon.
As always, take it FWIW....
I'd be happy with ARE at #2 money, and with Garthia (do we have to stop with the gay jokes if the Eagles get him??) as the back-up... Of course, I don't believe either of those will happen, but I'd be happy if they did.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 01, 2006, 08:51:05 AM
Angelo Cataldi = veritable fountain of knowledge.
:-D
:-D
::)
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 01, 2006, 02:41:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2006, 08:49:13 AM
Randle El
Bernard
Jeff Garcia
Angelo says that the Eagles will offer ARE a contract for #2 money out of the gate on Friday to see if he'll take it and they'll go after Garcia after cutting both Neckbeard and McMahon.
As always, take it FWIW....
I'd be happy with ARE at #2 money, and with Garthia (do we have to stop with the gay jokes if the Eagles get him??) as the back-up... Of course, I don't believe either of those will happen, but I'd be happy if they did.
Can you imagine the fan lashback if we pick up Garcia? Fans hate McMahon just based on fact he reeks of lotion & has pretty eyes, that and fact he sucked. If we had a full-fledged poofda, fans would be insane. At least the Eagles would sell a lot of pink Garcia jersies, as they'd no longer be just for women.
I don't care as long as he gives the team a CHANCE to win if McNabb is hurt again.
garcia's girfriend is friggin hott.
and his signing would signal the return of a reincarnated 49er kid so there's that.
interesting question....would eagle fans hate a gay qb more or less than a black one?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2006, 03:07:25 PM
interesting question....would eagle fans hate a gay qb more or less than a black one?
Gay. Next question.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2006, 01:29:25 PM
I had it on on the way home because once again 950's commercials are seriously like 10 minutes long. I heard him say that and tried to figure out how he is so retarded. 950 needs to shorten the commercials or I need to ge off my ass and buy Sirius.
I have Stern from 6 till 11 and the NFL station on the rest of the day. It's really addicting especially this time of the year. :-\
If they sign Garcia and he has to play at any time this season I'm not going to watch. It was bad enough seeing Scramblin' Mike out there, I'm not going to watch the alien lovechild.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2006, 03:07:25 PM
interesting question....would eagle fans hate a gay qb more or less than a black one?
A gay black one.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 01, 2006, 03:29:41 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2006, 03:07:25 PM
interesting question....would eagle fans hate a gay qb more or less than a black one?
A gay black one.
Sign Kordell Stewart!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2006, 03:12:10 PM
I have Stern from 6 till 11 and the NFL station on the rest of the day. It's really addicting especially this time of the year. :-\
me and you are cool on here, so i'm not going to dive into another arguement. but you obviously know my problem with the 1st part of that sentence.
[OT]Did you hear about the frivolous lawsuit (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,18449,00.html) CBS has filed against him? Love him or hate him you have no other choice but to laugh at that bullshtein.
NFL radio is saying Randle El won't go somewhere unless he knows he'll be a #2 and that 12 teams in the league are known to be interested. From the way they're talking he'd take a paycut to stay in Pittsburgh but don't see him re-signing there. They think he's going to wind up in Chicago since he's from there.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on March 01, 2006, 03:29:41 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2006, 03:07:25 PM
interesting question....would eagle fans hate a gay qb more or less than a black one?
A gay black one.
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Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2006, 04:01:20 PM
From the way they're talking he'd take a paycut to stay in Pittsburgh but don't see him re-signing there.
yeah he said if Pitt was within a million dollars of his top offer he would stay. ha.
Most of the people saying they don't want Randall El or he isn't a good enough WR will be the same fat bald losers standing first in line, asking him to sign their officially licensed merchandise.
Not a top WR. I bet people who say this don't make the best burgers at their local BK. However, their ability to perfectly salt fries, pour immaculate milkshakes, and flawlessly assemble those cardboard crowns totally makes them woth that pricey $5.25 an hour. Randall El is a complete football player; these people have mountainous pimples on their backs.
Randle El is the next Derrick Burgess, only not at all.
Wow, FF. Deep.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 01, 2006, 08:01:34 PM
Wow, FF. Deep.
What if C-A-T really spelled DOG.
It easily could. Words are merely symbols, possessing no inherent meaning.
Quote from: prophet215 on March 01, 2006, 07:56:52 PM
Most of the people saying they don't want Randall El or he isn't a good enough WR will be the same fat bald losers standing first in line, asking him to sign their officially licensed merchandise.
Not a top WR. I bet people who say this don't make the best burgers at their local BK. However, their ability to perfectly salt fries, pour immaculate milkshakes, and flawlessly assemble those cardboard crowns totally makes them woth that pricey $5.25 an hour. Randall El is a complete football player; these people have mountainous pimples on their backs.
i dont think he's a good enough WR...and i make a god damn delicious whopper.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 01, 2006, 08:01:34 PM
Wow, FF. Deep.
What if C-A-T really spelled DOG.
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Hahaha!! Ogre...Revenge of the Nerds II.
That was just on tv a couple weeks ago...hilarious!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on March 01, 2006, 10:50:32 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 01, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 01, 2006, 08:01:34 PM
Wow, FF. Deep.
What if C-A-T really spelled DOG.
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/dawkinsdarthcore/nerdogre.jpg)
Hahaha!! Ogre...Revenge of the Nerds II.
That was just on tv a couple weeks ago...hilarious!
Glad somebody got that :yay
even if it was you
2 separate references to Revenge of the Nerds in the same thread in the same day. :yay