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i'll try to be more positive in this version of the sixers' season thread.
go zendon!
congratulations to my friend mr. iverson for making the all-star game as a starter. he is very popular.
and there's a rumor that tim thomas will be released and possibly signed by the sixers.
Thomas was ok the first time around with the sixers but he was lazy. He got better for a minute with the Bucs. Now he sucks again.
tonight is gonna be U-G-L-Y
you aint got no alibi yous ugly
what!?! what!?!
yous ugly
i remember in pop warner the cheerleaders used to use that one.
but they were fat and ugly, so it didn't make much sense to me.
They play so much better without Iverson. Team basketball.
Except they can't score, unfortunately. Team basketball is nice, but they have severe issues putting the ball in the hoop without AI.
Yes, but that is silly talk, EL.
It's all about playing team basketball without AI. Who cares if they win? So long as they lose as a team it's allllll good.
a 7 point loss to the best team in the nba is very respectable for this team. remember, they've been a mediocre .500 team all season so it's not like they've been beating teams like the suns & pistons.
tonight's game vs the lebrons should be winable...unfortuantely i won't be able to watch so i'll be counting on some more keen insight from you people to let me know how they did.
a 7 point loss to the best team in the nba is very respectable for this team
if the pistons wanted to they could have easily won that game by 30...once they knew iverson was out they had in their minds that it was over and they were gonna do as little as possible and still win...they were on cruise control the whole game...in fact if iverson had played the sixers would have lost by a lot more as detroit would have had the foot on the gas the whole way
like tolbert said in the comment of the night..."this is the largest six point lead in the history of basketball"
Quote from: mhunt on February 04, 2006, 08:58:15 AM
a 7 point loss to the best team in the nba is very respectable for this team. remember, they've been a mediocre .500 team all season so it's not like they've been beating teams like the suns & pistons.
tonight's game vs the lebrons should be winable...unfortuantely i won't be able to watch so i'll be counting on some more keen insight from you people to let me know how they did.
figured something like this from you. if iverson ha played and they wouldve lost, i guarantee you never woulda said that.
Quote from: MDS on February 04, 2006, 10:50:53 AM
Quote from: mhunt on February 04, 2006, 08:58:15 AM
a 7 point loss to the best team in the nba is very respectable for this team. remember, they've been a mediocre .500 team all season so it's not like they've been beating teams like the suns & pistons.
tonight's game vs the lebrons should be winable...unfortuantely i won't be able to watch so i'll be counting on some more keen insight from you people to let me know how they did.
figured something like this from you. if iverson ha played and they wouldve lost, i guarantee you never woulda said that.
MDS, here's a Guinness on the house:
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i think iverson is supposed to play tonight so the sixers will be back to being the championship caliber team they were before his injury!
yeah! :yay
go sixers!
Quote from: mhunt on February 04, 2006, 10:58:04 AM
i think iverson is supposed to play tonight so the sixers will be back to being the championship caliber team they were before his injury!
yeah! :yay
go sixers!
Exaggerate much? :-D No one is claiming they're a championship caliber team, but to say they're not better with him playing is absurd.
Do I think they play better team ball without him? Hell yeah. Do I think he shoots too much? Hell yeah. Do I think they have a better chance of winning with him? Hell yeah.
Get me a Yin, SD.
Hunt you're a joke.
i hate it when teenagers insult me on the net.
damn kids!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 03, 2006, 03:38:13 PM
Thomas was ok the first time around with the sixers but he was lazy. He got better for a minute with the Bucs. Now he sucks again.
jasner mentioned something about thomas is his article today. i think thomas is crap but they're talking about a minimum contract for the rest of this season only so i guess it couldn't hurt. if it happens, he'd probably take nailon's roster spot.
And then Billy signs him to a max deal in the offseason after he blows it up for half a year! :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 04, 2006, 11:18:03 AM
And then Billy signs him to a max deal in the offseason after he blows it up for half a year! :paranoid
:-D
speaking of that.........hunter apparently failed his physical so that trade isn't final yet.
Steven Hunter is teh awsum!
:-D :flipoff :-D
he's no stevie franchise...that's for sure.
[This is a little far fetched but here goes] I've mentioned this before, but I think Louis Williams is going to be a player. Since this seasons a wash, I wouldn't mind seeing him get some more PT at the point with AI moving back to the SG.
Wait.. they're still continuing the ruse that AI is a PG? Hahaha... that's funny stuff.
as a pg how much has AI been averaging in terms of assists?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 04, 2006, 01:03:46 PM
as a pg how much has AI been averaging in terms of assists?
Like 7 or 8 per game but he still shoots waaaaay too much.
I prefer team basketball, even if it means having no legit chance to beat any team better than the Orlando Magic.
After watching last night, it's easy to understand why Iverson shoots so much.
Webber's jumper is not falling consistently, and no one else on the team can score consistently.
Korver can't hit a shot inside 22 feet.
Who needs Iverson. Team basketball all the way.
I miss Aaron McKie and Pepe Sanchez.
Bring back Lynch, Theo and Ty Hill.
They're not ex-Temple guys, though.
Cheney trains his guys to be team players by beating up the other team's guys physically. That's teamwork!
In that case:
PG Pepe Sanchez
SG Eddie Jones
SF Aaron Mckie
PF Marc Jackson
C Sam Dalembert (who cares, hes awsome)
that team = NBA championship
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 04, 2006, 01:27:02 PM
Like 7 or 8 per game but he still shoots waaaaay too much.
are you being sarcastic? either way, you're on point. he's supposed to be a point guard. he shoots too much for a point guard.
he controls the ball 90% of the time, of course he's going to have a lot of assists. but that doesn't change the fact that there are lengths of a game, where he brings the ball down the court, doesn't pass it and shoots a jumper. that's some good point guarding right there.
yeah we all know he is more of a shooting guard then a point guard but knowing he is a scorer and finds ways to score.....u cant expect him to move to pg, avg 7+assists and think he should pass more. he is the best offensive option on this team, 9 out of 10 times i want him taking the shot than AI jr, webber, samuel, or salmons. yeah he takes some dumbass shots, and forces shots somtimes but as a pg averaging 30+ pts and 7+assists per game is pretty damn good.
how'd they look last night? i see from the box score that a1 & c-webb shot well...but salmons & iggy only took 5 shots each. and sammy actually played 45 minutes. :o
the backup bigs barely played:
8 min for bradley
3 for hamilton
that's it.
Started out losing 9-0.
Were down by 14 at one point and then the offense and defense just clicked.
Sammy showed one of his "duh, I'm a dumbass" moments in the final minute. Be glad the game was out of reach. Ilgauskas was out beyond the arc with the shot clock winding down. He goes to take a 3 and there's Sammy jumping up to block it. He fouls him and he gets 3 shots. And that was Sam's 6th foul.
I really like his potential...but his basketball IQ is near retarded.
Iggy also got into foul trouble EARLY and missed a large chunk of the first half because of it.
AI and Webber were awesome to watch last night. And the defense was really solid.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 04, 2006, 11:36:42 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 04, 2006, 01:27:02 PM
Like 7 or 8 per game but he still shoots waaaaay too much.
are you being sarcastic? either way, you're on point. he's supposed to be a point guard. he shoots too much for a point guard.
he controls the ball 90% of the time, of course he's going to have a lot of assists. but that doesn't change the fact that there are lengths of a game, where he brings the ball down the court, doesn't pass it and shoots a jumper. that's some good point guarding right there.
No I wasn't being sarcastic and yes I know the role of a point guard.
thanks for the recaps. :yay
i would've been screaming at the tv if i saw sammy foul z behind the arc. :-D hopefully they'll keep up the solid play & possibly add a player with the trade exception (assuming the hunter trade goes through).
what about team basketball, hunt? iverson shoots too much....
Quote from: MDS on February 05, 2006, 11:25:58 AM
what about team basketball, hunt? iverson shoots too much....
yes, he does.
only 22 shots last night though...that's a little better than the 26/27 he's averaging.
But they played so well against the Magic and Knicks. What made you change your mind?
change my mind ???
i just said he shoots too much...i haven't changed my mind on anything.
two words: rajon rondo
is he another scoring pg?
anyway, now that football season is over, we can focus all our energy on the sixers.
go team!
do we have to?
Pitchers and catchers in 9 days.... :paranoid
Discussing the Ryan Franklin Mike Lieberthal battery.....or discussing the bench rotation of Zendon Hamilton and Shav Randolph. Which is more compelling?
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 05, 2006, 10:40:01 PM
do we have to?
Pitchers and catchers in 9 days.... :paranoid
Spring Training: The only time I truly LOVE living in Florida! 8)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 05, 2006, 10:43:09 PM
Discussing the Ryan Franklin Mike Lieberthal battery.....or discussing the bench rotation of Zendon Hamilton and Shav Randolph. Which is more compelling?
Definitely the former.... roid monkey throwing to has-been jew. Sounds like a buddy comedy in the making.
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 05, 2006, 10:40:01 PM
do we have to?
Pitchers and catchers in 9 days.... :paranoid
Damn straight, Bigs...
:yay
Great offensive performance in the 4th tonight. They went without a goddamn FG from like 3:00 to go in the 3rd until 3:00 to go in the 4th.
24 turnovers. :boo
Pitchers and catchers...
M is for mediocre.
.500 anyone?
wow...they suck.
sixers had 11 assists on their 24 baskets.
rockets had 27 assists on their 32 baskets.
and korver has become pretty much useless on this team.
Korver is useless.
Games like that are a good reason why attendance sucks so bad...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060208
Quote13. Philly
Only Billy King could build a team around two great defenders (Andre Iguodala and Sam Dalembert), two atrocious ones (C-Webb and Kyle Korver), and a guy who stopped breaking a sweat on defense about two years ago (Iverson). Offensively, they have one guy who monopolizes the ball (Iverson) and one high-post player who thrives in a passing offense (C-Webb). And their bench is so woeful, Shavlik Randolph is getting minutes for them. It's just a crazy combination of guys -- like a baseball GM acquiring five sinkerball pitchers, then playing four terrible infielders behind him. Completely illogical on every level.
(In a related story, I found myself checking the Suns-Sixers game last week just to see whether Phoenix could break 150 points and 65 percent from the field. The Suns ended up shooting 58.1 percent and scoring just 123 points. It's almost like they had an off night.)
When the "Oklahoma City" team is ahead of you, your team needs help.
Apparently the Hornets backed out of the Hunter trade. Awkward bench now?
Billy King wins GM of the year
With Hunter back, they can get back to playing prolific team basketball. Am I right?
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 08, 2006, 06:09:28 PM
With Hunter back, they can get back to playing prolific team basketball. Am I right?
No, you're wrong. That only happens when AI is hurt.
Maybe an upset Hunter will beat AI to a pulp and cause him to miss more games.
Hahahahahaha... They're blowing it against the Bobcats. Iverson, Korver, and Webber have been tossing some some ugly bricks, while Melvin Ely is absolutely schooling Dalembert's defense. This is funny stuff.
Dreadful.
Pathetic.
9-28
farging pathetic
What's the use. Honestly, bring on the Phillies.
Pitchers and catchers in one week
Let's turn this into a Phillies thread. Or another Point and Laugh at the taterskins thread. Or even change the name to David Boston: Robocop II. I don't care. These sorry pack of losers don't deserve to be talked about.
fire wade king!
The Magic are worse.
I win.
i dont understand why yous all get so upset...do you not understand that you want them to lose...there is no point in going .500 and getting scorched in the first round
hello??
rajon rondo!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2006, 08:13:30 AM
i dont understand why yous all get so upset...do you not understand that you want them to lose...there is no point in going .500 and getting scorched in the first round
hello??
rajon rondo!!
They're still in serious contention for the #3 seed :P
gettin' cryptic wit' it:
QuoteWebber, who had 17 points and 12 rebounds, paused nearly 10 seconds before replying.
"I really don't know," he said. "The first half, that's basketball."
"I don't know," Webber said. "I don't understand it. I've been preaching [ball movement] since I got here; coach [Maurice Cheeks] has been preaching it... I'm at a loss for words. I don't understand."
"They outrebounded us, they basically outhustled us," Cheeks said. "They had 18 offensive rebounds. You can't win that way. The second half, we shot jump shots. We didn't drive the ball like we did in the first half. We shot all jump shots that allowed them back in the game and [to] eventually win the game. We didn't continue doing the things we were doing.
"We had control of the game by defending and rebounding the ball and sharing the ball, and we didn't continue doing those things in the second half. Our game against Houston was flat; this game here, we came out with a lot of energy to up [13]; we did not continue. We stopped passing the ball, we stopped rebounding the ball; [the Bobcats] all got their confidence to do the things they wanted to do.
"If we're not sharing the ball, we end up taking a quick shot, they end up getting a fastbreak, they end up getting into a rhythm."
First half/second half?
"Total opposite," John Salmons said. "That's the game. Total opposite."
And it changed because... ?
"I have no idea," Salmons said. "I don't know what happened. We just came out, [and] we just weren't playing together. Either it's got to change, or... if it doesn't change, the same thing is going to happen. It will be win a game, lose a game until we change as a team."
na-na-na-na-na-na-na.........
cryptic or not the more this team implodes under itself the better...they shouldnt win another game this year
anyway....that sissy ultimate bed wetting loser chris webber should never speak again...he is a mockery
he's comic relief, like when they are down by 6 with 50 seconds to go and he hits a jump hook and runs down the court with that stupid snarl
he's comic relief, like when they are down by 6 with 50 seconds to go and he hits a jump hook and runs down the court with that stupid snarl
EXACTLY
hes a friggin joke...if i were iverson i would shoot 45 times next game...just on principle
It would help if Webber hit some fargin shots this season. He has the second lowest FG % of every starting PF this year and one of the lowest of all forwards in the NBA. Yet somehow Korver is even worse.
nobody is worse than webber
korver is what he is...his hate can be blamed on the expectations that billy kings contract and mo cheeks minutes give to korver
i like and have absolutely no problem with korver...if used properly he can be a valuable asset
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2006, 11:36:08 AM
korver is what he is...his hate can be blamed on the expectations that billy kings contract and mo cheeks minutes give to korver
this is true, but his play in those minutes is still terrible.
They stopped playing team basketball in the 2nd half. Team basketball is the kewlest.
Theres not much to analyze or discuss. They simply suck balls.
webber has a higher career winning % than iverson does...maybe that makes iverson the ultimate balhogging loser.
But basketball is a team sport, remember Hunt? It's all about the team. Who cares that Webbers % is higher? Team team teamity mcteam.
Quote from: mhunt on February 09, 2006, 10:43:24 PM
webber has a higher career winning % than iverson does...maybe that makes iverson the ultimate balhogging loser.
Webber just called a timeout.
webber has a higher career winning % than iverson does...maybe that makes iverson the ultimate balhogging loser.
so does lawrence funderburke
even with webbers % being higher...he still has never even been to a final...hes come up soft in more big situations than maybe anyone ever...from refusing to take big shots...to being bitch slapped around the court...to coming up incredibly small in big games to deer in the headlight timeouts...there is NO ONE more bitchmade than chris webber...for god sakes his team in high school was called country day....how sweet...thats almost as bad as my pee wee hockey team the flamers
your psychotic obsession with iverson (even tho we werent even talking about him) has reached an all-time high when you start trying to defend chris webber...congrats
Iverson & Webber are two players nearing the end of their careers knowing that neither one will ever win a championship.
Iverson has stopped playing defense and Webber has stopped playing almost entirely because he's a broken-down cripple.
They should form and then follow through on a suicide pact together.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 10, 2006, 08:25:58 AM
They should form and then follow through on a suicide pact together.
they could probably just retire, i don't think they need to get that dramatic
Whatever. Both work for me.
You guys sure do have a lot of opinions about a really farging boring sport. These threads fill up faster than any other topic. Amazing.
basketball in general is not boring. just the NBA.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 10, 2006, 08:03:02 AM
webber has a higher career winning % than iverson does...maybe that makes iverson the ultimate balhogging loser.
your psychotic obsession with iverson (even tho we werent even talking about him) has reached an all-time high when you start trying to defend chris webber...congrats
i could say the same about your obsession with webber, vanilla...bitch slapped around the court, huh? nothing like making crap up to support your obsession.
iverson is no more of a "winner" than webber is...that was my point.
and iverson just shot again...and missed......again.
you're right hunt, lets go back to starting kevin ollie.
hunt isn't saying that the team has better options than Iverson as of now, only that they should look to get some.
Yea thats a bit of problem seeing no one on the team outside of Igoudala has trade value.
bitch slapped around the court, huh? nothing like making crap up to support your obsession
guess you didnt watch ANY of sacramentos playoff series during the 'webber' era...for 5-6 years they couldnt beat anyone in the playoffs except for dallas and utah because they were on the same level of softness as sacramento...
ervin johnson practically played more in a playoff series vs sacramento than he did the entire regular season just so he could punk webber all over the court...which he did with no response from chris...
and we wont even get into how terrified webber was of shaq...guess where the 'sacramento queens' moniker came from...webber wouldnt go within 12 feet of shaq or horace grant in those series...shtein madson used to push him around
they got him so shook that when they were in close games in those series webber would hide out on the wing by the three point line praying the ball wouldnt come his way
this goes all the way back to when his parents sent him to that corny private school where he played against short fat white kids...for the most part his talent got him by in hs and college but when he had to play tough in big situations hes came up miserably short in his final fours
bottom line is unlike you and your internet seraches for articles and quotes i actually watch the games...i could care less about webber...i dont have some unhealthy obsession like you do iverson...i watch the games see how he plays and critique from there...before he came to philly you had only heard of chris webber and possibly caught him in an all-star game or two...the day the trade was made i posted on the emb that webber was a bed wetting puss who couldnt play with iverson or in philly...this was in the height of the trade being proclaimed as the best ever
now back to your regularly schedule iverson stalking....
Quote from: MDS on February 10, 2006, 12:59:29 PM
Yea thats a bit of problem seeing no one on the team outside of Igoudala has trade value.
Iverson still has some. Not for long, though.
Quotebasketball in general is not boring. just the NBA.
I think everyone knew what I meant.
I think everyone knew what I meant.
youre still type homo
If hating the NBA makes me a homo than I have nothing to argue with you about. Might as well slap a dress on me because the NBA farging sucks.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 10, 2006, 02:45:13 PM
If hating the NBA makes me a homo than I have nothing to argue with you about. Might as well slap a dress on me because the NBA farging sucks.
You're 100% correct, if I wasn't a Sixers fan, I wouldn't follow it.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 10, 2006, 02:45:13 PM
If hating the NBA makes me a homo than I have nothing to argue with you about. Might as well slap a dress on me because the NBA farging sucks.
The last 2 minutes of some playoff games are somewhat entertaining. Other than that, yea, it blows.
I grew up a Sixers fan. Love Dr. J and Sir Charles. Something happened to the league along the way that has made it almost as boring as baseball. And that's hard to do.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 10, 2006, 01:11:31 PM
bitch slapped around the court, huh? nothing like making crap up to support your obsession
this goes all the way back to when his parents sent him to that corny private school...
so webber isn't thug enough for you, huh? i figured that was it...he should get a bunch of tats or something.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 10, 2006, 03:38:01 PM
I grew up a Sixers fan. Love Dr. J and Sir Charles. Something happened to the league along the way that has made it almost as boring as baseball. And that's hard to do.
the nba has turned into street ball where there's more emphasis on athleticism than on basketball skill...that's why it sucks.
I agree with rjs that the NBA has become about as boring and predictable as can be. I don't agree that baseball is boring but that's an argument better suited for another thread.
The NBA is farging painful to watch anymore. I'd rather sit here and mock it on a message board than actually attend a game or watch one on television.
That's how boring and insufferable it's become.
The NBA has gotten so bad that even if you win the championship, it's really not worth bragging about. It's like winning a gold medal in the Special Olympics. That's cool and all but you're still retarded.
QuoteDavid Aldridge | Trade Iverson? A nutty notion
The 76ers' problems lie elsewhere, not with the superstar.By David AldridgeInquirer Staff WriterI have listened and read with the greatest of interest in the last few weeks as folks in these pages and on the airwaves have introduced the idea into the local zeitgeist that the Sixers should consider trading Allen Iverson.
The hypothesis, if I have listened and read carefully, goes like this: The team isn't going anywhere, and Iverson has lost his ability to draw fans to the Wachovia Center, so why not package him for a bunch of players and build the team in a different way?
It is a notion that can draw only one response, and it didn't originate with me. It is a colloquialism long favored by a former colleague, and current play-by-play man for the Los Angeles Dodgers, Charley Steiner:
"What are you, nuts?"
Trading Iverson would be - how should I put it? - dumb.
Not just dumb.
New Coke Dumb.
Ted Kennedy Challenging The Incumbent President Of His Own Party Dumb.
Sanford Arms Dumb. (This refers to the decision of NBC suits in the late 1970s to continue the hit show Sanford and Son, but without Sanford (Redd Foxx) and Son (Demond Wilson). It had everything else - much of the same supporting cast, same plots - just no Sanford. Or Son. It, um, didn't last.)
Here's hoping that Billy King, who's Duke-smart, doesn't act on that whim.
Forget for a minute that, entering play last night, Iverson was averaging 33.3 points per game, second in the league to Kobe Bryant. Forget that he was first in the league in free-throw attempts (11.3 average) - which has the added bonus of getting opposing players in foul trouble. Forget that he was eighth in the league in assists. Forget that he still keeps opposing coaches up nights trying to figure out a way to slow him down.
Forget all that.
You never get true value for a superstar. It doesn't matter what sport.
Pop quiz: Whom did the Edmonton Oilers get for Wayne Gretzky? And how did they do afterward?
Whom did the Toronto Blue Jays get for Roger Clemens? How'd that work out?
Whom did the Milwaukee Bucks get for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? And how many titles did that bring them?
For that matter, whom did the Sixers get for Charles Barkley?
It was Tim Perry, Jeff Hornacek and Andrew Lang. And the Sixers' record the next season, without Barkley and with all that new depth, was a sparkling 26-56. Which was followed by sterling marks of 25-57, 24-58 and - wait for it - 18-64.
The last of which was so bad that the Sixers got the first pick in the 1996 draft. Which they used to select... Allen Iverson.
You don't win in the NBA with role players. You win with superstars. Which is where Iverson comes in. With Iverson, you have a chance to win every night. Not some nights. Every night. That doesn't mean you win every night; you need contributions from a number of players. But you start with a chance.
Has everyone around here forgotten what it was like to have no chance to win? To be at the bottom of the NBA food chain? To be unimportant, unlamented, not in the opening rip of highlights on SportsCenter?
The Sixers are, indeed, what they are: a defensively challenged team that will likely last one round in the postseason.
That is not the championship level of play this town craves, to be sure. But it is a doggone sight better than being in the draft lottery the next three or four years.
Next year's draft does not appear to have the kind of impact players who can turn a franchise around, and after that, the young guys who can make a difference - such as Greg Oden, the Ohio high school phenom - will have to do at least a year in college before making themselves eligible for the pros.
And even if there is a team willing to discuss trading its superstar - a pool including, but not limited to, talents such as Paul Pierce and Steve Francis - ask yourself this: How much better would the Sixers be with those guys than with Iverson? They'd still stink on defense, and they'd still be fodder for the Pistons and Heat of the East.
Without Iverson, what exactly do the Sixers have to build around? They have Andre Iguodala and maybe Samuel Dalembert. You can't build around Chris Webber. His remaining career will not be measured by the half-decade, but by the year.
The frustration level is understandable. The Sixers do appear to be stuck in mud, going nowhere fast. But to lay that at Iverson's feet makes no sense. It's the kind of knee-jerk reaction that fans had in Baltimore when Cal Ripken had a couple of .240 seasons, or that they had in Denver when John Elway struggled to lead the Broncos to a championship for a decade.
Just a few years later, each finished his career where he started, as a hero. And Iverson deserves the same consideration.
It remains King's job to find the pieces that make the most sense around Iverson. Whether or not he's doing that is a fair question. To me, it makes no sense to have anything but defensive-oriented players around him. But that's not Iverson's responsibility.
And he shouldn't be sent packing because others aren't handling their business.
Yay for mediocrity!
[PG] ::) [/PG]
BTW: Is Aldrich seriously comparing Iverson to guys like Clemens, Gretzky & Kareem??!!??!!??!!??!!
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Classic.
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 11, 2006, 08:06:23 AM
BTW: Is Aldrich seriously comparing Iverson to guys like Clemens, Gretzky & Kareem??!!??!!??!!??!!
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Classic.
:-D
I don't think he's comparing them to him at all. What he's saying is that these are 3 of the best players of all time in their respective sport. Gretzky actually being the greatest hockey player ever, Clemens possibly the greatest pitcher ever and Kareem the all time leader in scoring.
All 3 were traded in their primes and the teams that did the trading got little to nothing in return. So if trading some of the best pro athletes ever has done nothing to improve a team then why would trading Iverson net the Sixers a few diamonds when everyone else got stuck with coal?
Trading Iverson will accomplish nothing. Drafting and/or signing players like Ben Wallace, Chauncy Billups, Tony Parker or even Tayshawn Prince is what this team needs. It's finding those "diamonds in the rough." Iggy seems to be that and Dalembert could be that. Those are about the only 2 successful moves the Sixers have made in the last 5 years. Every other move since they went to the finals has blown up in their face.
If he wasn't comparing Iverson to those three then why did he list them in his column?
He was comparing Iverson to them, Sarge, and his comparisons are laughable.
so webber isn't thug enough for you, huh? i figured that was it...he should get a bunch of tats or something.
negative on that chief...what it did was make him soft and give him a silver spoon syndrome...not only did he not play with anyone of his caliber he didnt play against anyone of his caliber...thus the people he went up against were also in complete awe of him...he was never challenged
that brought him to expecting payments to go to michigan...after all im chris webber from country day..you want me you gots to pay...the first really tough situation he was even in was the carolina game and we know what happened there...he looked like he wanted his woobie and some warm milk...he was never the same after that...that took away what little heart he had to begin with....again he was always a good player because of talent..but he never had the fortitiude heart and work ethic to make himself a great player and to stand up to tough people and moments...
listen to his interviews this year...hes such a whining little puss it sickening...almost to the point of crying a few times...
in closing....HES A BITCH
Thank you for posting that RomeyHatesAI. You saved me the trouble of doing so. :)
And I agree with him. And AI compares very much to those people he named. Whether you think so or not, AI is one of the greatest to play in the NBA.
And he made the same points that some of us have made on here -- trading him would get you nothing close to value in return. And then the team would be even WORSE than it is now. He made a good point...would having your boy Stevie Franchise make this team better? Hell no.
Its up to King to do what Benedict Larry did in 2001...put great defensive players around him.
If he wasn't comparing Iverson to those three then why did he list them in his column?
He was comparing Iverson to them, Sarge, and his comparisons are laughable.
dook he just blasted your whole notion down in his post...and you respond with the same comment that the compariosn is laughable?...you dont understand the comparison...or you dont want to see what aldridge was really saying....
id release iverson tomorrow without a second thought if it would get rid of his contract...but aldridge makes a correct and valid point in what hes saying
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 11, 2006, 08:52:18 AM
If he wasn't comparing Iverson to those three then why did he list them in his column?
He was comparing Iverson to them, Sarge, and his comparisons are laughable.
And I don't think he was comparing them because I don't think you can compare AI to Clemens, Gretzky or Kareem. AI is one of the best players in the NBA but these are all time greats he's talking about and as much as I love AI, I can't honestly put him up on that high of a pedestal. Sure, he's a great player but those guys are 1st tier great. AI is 2nd tier in terms of greatness.
The bottom line is that the teams that traded those guys didn't get jack in return. So why would AI be any different?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2006, 09:00:04 AM
If he wasn't comparing Iverson to those three then why did he list them in his column?
He was comparing Iverson to them, Sarge, and his comparisons are laughable.
dook he just blasted your whole notion down in his post...and you respond with the same comment that the compariosn is laughable?...you dont understand the comparison...or you dont want to see what aldridge was really saying....
id release iverson tomorrow without a second thought if it would get rid of his contract...but aldridge makes a correct and valid point in what hes saying
^^^^Gets what I'm saying.^^^^
Great. You and IGY can go make man-babies together. :-D
He used the argument that trading a superstar of Clemens, Gretzky & Jabbar's ilk never gets you fair value in return. He was saying that Iverson is comparable to them in terms of talent and he's wrong about that. Besides, those three were traded in their prime. Iverson is past his prime by a mile, so again, using them as comparisons is stupid on Aldrich's part.
I mean, are you idiots so blinded by your love of the little thug that you can't see that?
Seriously, kill yourselves a lot.
Iverson is not past his prime. A guy doesn't average 30+ and be past his prime.
And it may seem like AI lovin but the guy gets bashed so much that when I counter the points made by the haters it seems like a love affair. I know the guy has his problems and his faults. But it isn't nearly as bad as you all make it out to seem.
And the same line could be used for the haters...
I mean, are you idiots so blinded by your hatred of the little thug that you can't see that?
First off, let me state that I'm trying to keep an objective opinion here. Yes, I'm an AI fan. But at the same time, if I felt the Sixers would magically become better by trading him, then I'd be all for it.
Now show me in that article where he actually compares AI to those guys. Not in terms of production. Not in terms of "all time greatness."
He's using those other guys as examples as to why the Sixers shouldn't trade Iverson. All 3 of them are far greater individual talents in their respective sports than Iverson is in his. I don't think anyone would dispute that.
All 3 of those guys had far greater impacts on their teams and sport than Iverson and yet the teams that traded them got nothing in return. If you can't see that that's the point trying to be made then you're the one who's blind my friend.
Seriously, jump off a cliff.
A lot. :P
Whatever.
The Sixers won't win a championship with him as the focal point of the team.
They'll be the same mediocre POS bunch that you guys whine incessantly about. If that's good enough for you, then fine, keep him around.
When the day comes that he's sent packing, I'll gladly rejoin the ranks of pissers and moaners who long for the days of .500 basketball in Philly.
PS: Jabbar forced his way out of Milwaukee, so of course the Bucks weren't going to get fair value in return. Peter Pocklington sold Gretzky because the Oilers franchise was in desperate financial trouble at the time. Again, no chance for fair value in return. And the Red Sox gave up on Clemens because Duquette was an arrogant, clueless nitwit whose ego was larger than a hot air balloon. He tossed Clemens on the scrap heap for nothing out of stupidity.
Using those three deals to support his assertion that trading a superstar is a bad idea is just as retarded as insisting that Iverson is on their level to begin with. He's not and never has been.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 11, 2006, 09:30:55 AM
PS: Jabbar forced his way out of Milwaukee, so of course the Bucks weren't going to get fair value in return. Peter Pocklington sold Gretzky because the Oilers franchise was in desperate financial trouble at the time. Again, no chance for fair value in return. And the Red Sox gave up on Clemens because Duquette was an arrogant, clueless nitwit whose ego was larger than a hot air balloon. He tossed Clemens on the scrap heap for nothing out of stupidity.
Point taken
Schilling to Dbacks = Travis Lee, Vicente Padilla, Omar Daal
McGwire to Cards = TJ Matthews, Eric Ludwick, Blake Stein
Rolen to Cards = Mike Timlin, Polanco, Bud Smith
Moss to Raiders = Napleon Harris, 7th rd pick
The A's are the only team that wasn't really affected by trading a superstar although I don't think any of the players they got in return contributed much.
The Phils continued to suck without Schilling and Rolen and the Vikes, while they did improve in some ways, still didn't accomplish anything without Moss. More importantly, their trade aquisitions didn't have much of a hand in any improvements that may have been made.
Quote
Using those three deals to support his assertion that trading a superstar is a bad idea is just as retarded as insisting that Iverson is on their level to begin with. He's not and never has been.
Again, I would like you to show me where anyone said that AI was on their level.
You can just go back into 76ers history:
Charles Barkley to Phoenix for: Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang
That trade was mentioned in the article in question so I didn't feel the need to bring it up.......again.
why is iverson a thug again?...the tattoos?...he likes hip-hop?...the braids?....he got in a fight once?...someone please tell me why ai is a thug and rip hamilton isnt
hah...aldridge is using the same flawed logic all the a1 groupies constantly use. yeah, that barkley trade 15 years ago was bad...so what? it has nothing to do with the present. talk about how the pistons rise to championship status started with the trade of their superstar, grant hill...or doesn't that one count? they key is to be smart about who they trade a1 for...nobody is saying they should trade him for scrubs.
and aldridge also uses the old line that you win with superstars. well, guess what? the sixers have iverson as their superstar...and they're not winning! maybe it's not his fault...maybe it is...but it's a fact...they are a .500 team with a1 as their superstar player. maybe it's time to find a new one.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 11, 2006, 09:53:55 AM
That trade was mentioned in the article in question so I didn't feel the need to bring it up.......again.
Details, details... Still, to me, the most accurate comparison.
Quote from: mhunt on February 11, 2006, 11:26:58 AM
hah...aldridge is using the same flawed logic all the a1 groupies constantly use. yeah, that barkley trade 15 years ago was bad...so what? it has nothing to do with the present. talk about how the pistons rise to championship status started with the trade of their superstar, grant hill...or doesn't that one count? they key is to be smart about who they trade a1 for...nobody is saying they should trade him for scrubs.
and aldridge also uses the old line that you win with superstars. well, guess what? the sixers have iverson as their superstar...and they're not winning! maybe it's not his fault...maybe it is...but it's a fact...they are a .500 team with a1 as their superstar player. maybe it's time to find a new one.
Logic and reason have no place in this thread.
You're either ignorant or a hater if you think the Sixers would be better off without a worn-out, thirtysomething, six-foot gunner who has all but stopped playing defense as the focal point of their franchise.
:-D
Meanwhile, the Sixers are mired in mediocrity at 24-25 and going nowhere in the playoffs.
Again.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 11, 2006, 01:01:23 PM
Meanwhile, the Sixers are mired in mediocrity at 24-25 and going nowhere in the playoffs.
Again.
That's where you're wrong. Again.
I don't think the Sixers will make the playoffs. So they very well can't go anywhere in the playoffs if they don't get there. Whatcha gotta say 'bout that? HA! Choke on that Loser. Lay-who-zeh-her!
I don't think the Sixers will make the playoffs. So they very well can't go anywhere in the playoffs if they don't get there. Whatcha gotta say 'bout that? HA! Choke on that Loser. Lay-who-zeh-her!
I don't think the Sixers will make the playoffs
ummmm???
rajon rondo
fargface???
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2006, 04:55:34 PM
I don't think the Sixers will make the playoffs
ummmm???
rajon rondo
fargface???
This is why you need to use the quote button. Are you quoting me or are you quoting MDS who copied that line from my post?
im quoting both of yous
rajon rondo bitches!!
Thanks for clearing that up.
What does the Sixers making or not making the playoffs this year have to do with Rondo?
if they dont get in the lottery they have no chance at r squared
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2006, 05:33:08 PM
if they dont get in the lottery they have no chance at r squared
I liked you a lot more better today when you were just agreeing with me.
I don't know if they'll get a lottery pick, but I don't see them getting in the playoffs either. I would like to see them lose out just to be on the safe side but I'm sure they'll play themselves out of a quality pick this year. :-\
I don't know if they'll get a lottery pick, but I don't see them getting in the playoffs either
its one or the other dog
the east sucks so hard that it will be difficult for the sixers to miss the playoffs...they're currently 3 games up on the #9 team...the 21-28 bulls...and the teams behind chicago are brutal (orl, bos, tor, atl, ny, & cha).
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2006, 05:50:30 PM
I don't know if they'll get a lottery pick, but I don't see them getting in the playoffs either
its one or the other dog
When I think lottery pick, I'm thinking top 10. I think there's like 14 or 15 teams that don't make the playoffs. I know they're all lottery picks, but anything beyond the top 10 in the NBA is kind of like a 2nd round pick in the NFL. JMO.
if youre in the lottery you have a lottery pick...but i feel you...the higher the better...lose lose lose
Werd
well, they'll lose at the wiz tomorrow...then they have the spurs at home...that one will get really ugly. after that, it's a must-lose game at the bulls before the break.
decent chance they enter the all star break on a 5 game losing streak.
Hooraaaaaaaaay!
:-D
You guys are funny.
It's not so bad being snowed in when you have a Sixers/Wizards game to look forward too :P
I just wish they would lose the rest of their games. This is pathetic.
Flat out farging terrible.
One of two things needs to happen here:
1. Ed Snider realizes he has a basketball team as well as his hockey team and OK's Billy to go over the luxury tax. C'mon, Ed. You've got Comcast bankrolling that sumbitch. With the amount of money to fargers steal from people each monet for cable and internet you should be able to go over the luxury tax.
The salary cap situation here isn't getting fixed anytime soon. So with tha being said go on up into the luxury taxbracket and get some goddamn players in here other than AI and CWebb.
2. Fire Billy King. I like Billy, but it might be time. The Korver and Dalembert deals, while I supported them somewhat at the time, do not appear to be working. But I also know that in order to retain even the most mediocre talent in this league you have to give out money like a hooker gives out bj's. But maybe its time to not only go over the luxury tax but to fire Billy at the same time too.
The only way King gets fired is if season ticket holders and fans pull an Ed Wade and threaten to drop their season tickets and not go (even though nobody goes as it is) if he isn't fired. Sadly, were a few years away from it getting to the stage. And also sadly, this team is still "good" enough to continue making the playoffs.
I had two options today:
Option A: Stay warm inside and watch the Sixers game.
Option B: Go outside, freeze my ass off, and shovel for 2 hours.
I chose option B.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 12, 2006, 06:45:33 PM
I had two options today:
Option A: Stay warm inside and watch the Sixers game.
Option B: Go outside, freeze my ass off, and shovel for 2 hours.
I chose option B.
me too, my back fargin hurts
until they get rid of webber i will never ever watch the sixers again...and i paid for the nba package
good riddance
you aren't going to watch the Sixers for the next 2.5 seasons then
that would be correct...unless they get rajon rondo...at that point id have to reevalaute my stance
30 seconds after your statement and you're already starting to waver. get a set man.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2006, 08:34:21 AM
until they get rid of Iverson i will never ever watch the sixers again...and i paid for the nba package
good riddance
Welcome to the dark side, IGY.
30 seconds after your statement and you're already starting to waver. get a set man.
rr would be big tho...i should also note that webber could go down hurt any minute now...and its not the team...i just cant being myself to watch that guy
i look forward to your post game reports
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2006, 09:08:16 AM
30 seconds after your statement and you're already starting to waver. get a set man.
rr would be big tho...i should also note that webber could go down hurt any minute now...and its not the team...i just cant being myself to watch that guy
i look forward to your post game reports
well, if i was able to sit through a game, you might get one, but i spent about 2 minutes trying to watch the wizards game and decided to win British Open by 27 strokes on Playstation
and decided to win British Open by 27 strokes on Playstation
does kirk cameron get points for that?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2006, 09:11:48 AM
and decided to win British Open by 27 strokes on Playstation
does kirk cameron get points for that?
sadly no, but he is 2nd place
50 games in and people are still asking what can turn things around for the Sixers.
it's like having a rusted out Chevy Cavalier and trying to figure what to fix so it runs like a Porsche
i heard about a post-game meltdown after the wizards game but i will refrain from posting the details as i will be labeled a "hater"...and that hurts my feelings.
spill it hater...i love that type of shtein
you blew by hater status years ago and entered the stalker realm...theres nothing you can add that will enhance your status as one...
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 14, 2006, 12:47:44 PM
you blew by hater status years ago and entered the stalker realm...theres nothing you can add that will enhance your status as one...
tell us some more about webber's entire life story....then call me a stalker again.
bah!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 14, 2006, 12:45:04 PM
spill it hater...i love that type of shtein
well, if you insist.
QuotePost-game party again in Washington.
Kuester started things off saying everybody needs to stop worrying about
themself and share the ball and defend so things become contagious.
Then he calls out Johnny for something.
Johnny immediately talks back and says to the effect that nothing
Kuester says is going to matter. Everybody in the room is trying, but
it's not everybody's fault, so don't call them out.
Then Mo starts to speak and AI chimes in. He says it's never been fun
for him to play all year because of Mo. He is mad at Mo. Mo says
that's fine, he can be mad, but he still has to play. AI says then
don't take me out of the game ever. Mo says how can I coach if he can't
a player out of the game and the player not get mad. AI says you're the
coach. You've been coaching all year.
Then Mo says well then if I'm the coach, then I think you should pass
the ball when there's 2 guys on the break. Pass the ball more. We got
back into the game tonight without you.
AI says then why don't you get someone in here that will do what you
want because I do what I do. This is what I've been doing for 10
years. I know you can get somebody for me. Just don't trade me to the
CBA. You can get me the **** out of here now.
AI almost didn't go back into the game in the 4th quarter, and this
whole action was brought on by Mo taking him out in the 3rd. He was
pouting and making snide remarks while on the bench and threatened to
not go back in.
it's from another board so i just did copy/paste...feel free to ignore if it doesn't fit your agenda.
hater
what a class organization.
Hunt obviously made that up to fit his agenda!
my agenda is diabolical and delicious.
(http://www.soundtable.co.jp/pict/555000003s.jpg)
Its gonna get ugly tonight boys and girls. San Antone is in town and they might win by 20.
i'm hearing that the trade winds are blowing...i'll keep you posted but i think we can be confident that billy king will do the right thing.
yeah.
what are the names being tossed around?
i'm hearing that the trade winds are blowing
lol...you mean the trade winds are blowing a week before the trade deadline??
nice call peter vescey
please keep us abreast
Hopefully we'll hear the words Kyle Korver and traded to in the same sentence. Or maybe take another shot at getting rid of Stephen Hunter. Or maybe the Shav Randolph market will heat up.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 15, 2006, 08:58:25 AM
what are the names being tossed around?
that's what i'm trying to find out...so far all i heard is that it's someone significant...not a scrub.
also, peter vescey told me that the knicks are looking to make a deal with someone...he also said that his beard sometimes itches on warm, humid days.
stay tuned!
someone significant....
well, who are the significant names on the Sixers?
Webber, Iverson, Igoudala, Dalembert, Korver (that's a stretch)
There's only two ways to go with a significant name, if it's Iggy, Dalembert, or Korver it will probably be for a vet that Billy thinks will help this year, that's a awful way to go. If it's Webber or Iverson, or both it would be for draft picks and young players, blowing up the team for all intensive purposes, which is the right way to go. Unfortunately, Webber is untradable because of his contract and I still don't see Billy seeing the light with trading Iverson. I don't think this will turn out good.
Theres no such thing as a Shav Randolph market. Liar.
It's hopless. Sad to say, but I'd rather watch spring training baseball.
or pairs figure skating
Quote from: MDS on February 15, 2006, 09:30:43 AM
I'd rather watch spring training team baseball.
Right.
I'd rather pop my flacid collar.
Kevin Ollie is starting. Yuck.
Igy had a killer slam to open the game. It should all be down hill from here.
It's actually a game at halftime. Sixers finished up on a 9-0 run. :yay
Sixers win. :-D
I don't understand this team.
AI was a madman in the second half tonight. Glad to see we won A) Because it was against the defending champs and anytime you can beat them it's an accomplishment B) Because of the lousy bias officiating which was obviously favoring the Spurs and not the hometown team. That dunk by Iggy over Duncan was sick.
They still suck.
Now they'll put up 74 points in Chicago tonight and give up 110.
it was infuriating to watch John Salmons try to run a pick and run last night.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2006, 08:35:29 AM
Now they'll put up 74 points in Chicago tonight and give up 110.
That's what .500 teams do, my man... :-D
ollie ain't no joke.
Quote from: mhunt on February 16, 2006, 09:18:08 AM
ollie ain't no joke.
He's a team player. I like that. Team basketball is the way to win.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 16, 2006, 09:34:12 AM
He's a team player. I like that. Team basketball is the way to win.
i think it's funny when people say things sarcastically but they are actually correct.
true...true.
if they had 12 kevin ollies, they'd friggin rule.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 09:35:13 AM
i think it's funny when people say things sarcastically but they are actually correct.
i think it's funny when people assume a statement to be sarcasm but it's actually not.
i think it's funny when someone who is usually sarcastic, makes a straight forward statement on a subject, confusing everyone
i think it's funny when 2 dudes on the internet dance around the subject of their forbidden love.
yeah, we all think it's funny when you and RJS do that too
there's nothing funny about internet love.
ours has never been forbidden.
Sielski decides to pick on Iguodala today (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-02162006-613661.html)
I guess he ran out of material for AI and Webber...
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 16, 2006, 11:22:09 AM
Sielski decides to pick on Iguodala today (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-02162006-613661.html)
I guess he ran out of material for AI and Webber...
Why bother posting what that guy writes. He's horrendous.
he rips him for being invisible but then gives the exact reason in his column...
QuoteGranted, given the way Iverson and Webber dominate the ball, it is difficult for Iguodala, in only his second NBA season after playing two years at Arizona, to demand more shots.
that game shouldn't have even went into OT last night.
why does webber always have the ball at the end of the game? he can't shoot with no pressure, what makes anyone think he can make one at the buzzer?
ask IGY
i think the answer has something to do with private school or being bitchmade....something like that.
anyway, that trade rumor i was talking about earlier fell through...apparently the sixers were giving up 1 player & getting 2 in return but the dude still won't give any names.
the farger.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 16, 2006, 12:09:12 PM
why does webber always have the ball at the end of the game?
Because he's so great at managing time outs.
I guess he ran out of material for Webber...
impossible
why does webber always have the ball at the end of the game? he can't shoot with no pressure, what makes anyone think he can make one at the buzzer?
very good question....in the last two minutes of any close game hes more shook than beaker from the muppets
Sixers are getting SPANKED by the Bulls.
The team defense is outstanding
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2006, 08:35:29 AM
Now they'll put up 74 points in Chicago tonight and give up 110.
ha, when i turned the game on it was 55-37, exactly half of your prediction
how about that, webber took the last shot and missed
They looked horrific at the beginning of the 2nd quarter.
This team makes me want to fight people.
They had it down to 9 and then Chicago rips off 13 straight and it was back to 22 like that.
83-58 now in the late 3rd.
Goddamn losers. >:( >:(
Quote from: phattymatty on February 16, 2006, 08:36:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2006, 08:35:29 AM
Now they'll put up 74 points in Chicago tonight and give up 110.
ha, when i turned the game on it was 55-37, exactly half of your prediction
It's a shame. They're predictable as hell. Play a great game one night, a game in which they could use to turn it around and then they piss away the next game.
Huh...a pretty close game now. Sixers have it down to 30.
92-62.
They're good.
117 - 84
Worst loss of the year.
:-D Anyone who got excited last night is farging moron.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2006, 09:23:49 PM
This team makes me want to fight people.
I hope for your sake that you fight better than those Hoydas play basketball.
:-D
this team is so money! :yay
another loss to the bulls after the break & they'll be close to losing the #8 spot.
I heart inconsistancy.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 16, 2006, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2006, 09:23:49 PM
This team makes me want to fight people.
I hope for your sake that you fight better than those Hoydas play basketball.
:-D
Yeah...I beat some tough guys ass one night and then get whupped by a geek the next.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 17, 2006, 08:37:36 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 16, 2006, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2006, 09:23:49 PM
This team makes me want to fight people.
I hope for your sake that you fight better than those Hoydas play basketball.
:-D
Yeah...I beat some tough guys ass one night and then get whupped by a geek the next.
Hopefully, that ass whoopin' will teach you to quit farging with me.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 17, 2006, 08:42:19 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 17, 2006, 08:37:36 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 16, 2006, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2006, 09:23:49 PM
This team makes me want to fight people.
I hope for your sake that you fight better than those Hoydas play basketball.
:-D
Yeah...I beat some tough guys ass one night and then get whupped by a geek the next.
Hopefully, that ass whoopin' will teach you to quit farging with me.
"Point" and "Laugh!" RECOGNIZE, MOTHAfargA! :-D :-D
:-D
FIGHT ME NOW!
Quote5. Philadelphia 76ers
My guess is, the 76ers will slide into the Eastern Conference playoffs as the eighth seed. That isn't good enough for a team with one of the most exciting players in the game. So, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls ... I think it's time. Time for the 76ers to part with Allen Iverson.
I'm not suggesting for a minute that Andre Iguodala and Kyle Korver can replace Iverson's scoring. But in any trade scenario, A.I. would bring valuable pieces, probably a legit player, maybe a prospect and a draft pick and also clear cap space to go after a free agent. No deals involving Iverson seem to be in the wind, but this is about which teams need to make a trade, right? It's time to shop A.I. to the West.
Full Article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jack_mccallum/02/16/trades2/index.html)
[hater] He's right. [/hater]
:-X
Marbury for Iverson, straight up.
HOLLA!
i'm in!
this team needs a gunning, shoot-first sg in a pg's body who doesn't play any d.
at least the rockets also lost by 34 last night.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 17, 2006, 10:07:26 AM
Quote5. Philadelphia 76ers
My guess is, the 76ers will slide into the Eastern Conference playoffs as the eighth seed. That isn't good enough for a team with one of the most exciting players in the game. So, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls ... I think it's time. Time for the 76ers to part with Allen Iverson.
I'm not suggesting for a minute that Andre Iguodala and Kyle Korver can replace Iverson's scoring. But in any trade scenario, A.I. would bring valuable pieces, probably a legit player, maybe a prospect and a draft pick and also clear cap space to go after a free agent. No deals involving Iverson seem to be in the wind, but this is about which teams need to make a trade, right? It's time to shop A.I. to the West.
Full Article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jack_mccallum/02/16/trades2/index.html)
I think people are grossly overvaluing AI's trade value.
i think they could get 1 legit player and maybe a prospect or a draft pick for him...don't you?
the hardest part would be finding a team that wants a1.
Detroit got Kelvin Cato and a #1 for Milicic & Arroyo, for God's sake.
I think Iverson would be worth just a tad more than that.
Quote from: mhunt on February 17, 2006, 01:24:28 PM
i think they could get 1 legit player and maybe a prospect or a draft pick for him...don't you?
the hardest part would be finding a team that wants a1.
No.
I can see them either swapping him for a slightly younger less talented player who needs a fresh start, or getting a bunch of average players from another team and matching salaries in the mean time. AI is not going to bring us a good player, another good young player, and a draft pick.
I would give them seven indian-head pennies, a satchel full of bubblegum, and eleventy-six second round picks.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 17, 2006, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: mhunt on February 17, 2006, 01:24:28 PM
i think they could get 1 legit player and maybe a prospect or a draft pick for him...don't you?
the hardest part would be finding a team that wants a1.
AI is not going to bring us a good player, another good young player, and a draft pick.
probably not all 3 but he'd bring a good player and EITHER another young player OR a pick....i'd be happy with that.
you should have confidence in billy king, you negasixers fan.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/ian_thomsen/02/16/notes/1.html
QuoteNot wanting to follow the Knicks off the luxury-tax cliff, the 76ers have put the word out that they're willing to consider proposals for anybody. A few weeks ago there was talk within the 76ers' camp of making a run at Seattle's Ray Allen, but the idea didn't go far -- not only is Allen not available, but it's hard to imagine that the Sonics would be interested in taking Allen Iverson in return. He doesn't fit in with the clean-cut, buttoned-down image that owner Howard Schultz has created in Seattle since the departure of Gary Payton.
Iverson and coach Maurice Cheeks had their first argument in front of the team last Sunday after a frustrating loss at Washington, but someone who was there says that Iverson has since tried to show he meant no harm. He is showing up for practice earlier and is going out of his way to demonstrate that there are no hard feelings.
Are the 76ers ready to take a deep breath and trade Iverson? All indications are that they'll get through this season before dismantling the roster and starting over. They're a tax-paying team with more than $47 million committed next season to Iverson, Chris Webber and Samuel Dalembert, a trio that isn't in synch. It's going to be an extended rebuilding process, because they probably can't get equal value back for Webber and Iverson, and there are big doubts that second-year swingman Andre Iguodala can score enough to develop into a franchise player.
interesting stuff...
i don't need Iggy to be a franchise player, i.e Iverson. i just want him to develop into a Richard Jefferson type, can he do that? i don't know. but we sure as hell won't know until they start to focus on him in the offense a little bit more.
Quote from: mhunt on February 17, 2006, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 17, 2006, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: mhunt on February 17, 2006, 01:24:28 PM
i think they could get 1 legit player and maybe a prospect or a draft pick for him...don't you?
the hardest part would be finding a team that wants a1.
AI is not going to bring us a good player, another good young player, and a draft pick.
probably not all 3 but he'd bring a good player and EITHER another young player OR a pick....i'd be happy with that.
you should have confidence in billy king, you negasixers fan.
I have no problem with BK, he's made some questionable decisions but he didn't exactly walk into the greatest situation. I talked to him for about 10 minutes when I did the shoot-around before the Heat game earlier this season, he's very personble. But here's the deal: He values AI as 'the franchise', I mean, that's why people are still going to the games (in limited numbers, but nevertheless they're still attending). So with that, he has to worry about A) winning and B) filling the seats. He's not going to take anything less than full worth for AI. No team is going to give us full worth for a guy who's known as a trouble maker and a guy who's not really a 'team' guy.
Seattle would be stupid to trade us Ray Allen for AI.
i was kidding about the king remark, btw....personally, i think he's a moron. he's especially inept when it comes to free agency...see his record of signing garbage players to long term deals.
i know he values a1 as the franchise and that's part of the reason i think he's a moron. i also think he lacks the balls to make a major move like trading iverson since the rebuilding process that would follow would most likely cost him his job.
fire king
trade a1
trade webber
nothing changes until those 3 things happen.
Quote from: mhunt on February 17, 2006, 02:16:50 PM
i was kidding about the king remark, btw....personally, i think he's a moron. he's especially inept when it comes to free agency...see his record of signing garbage players to long term deals.
I figured as much, which was sort of the reason I stood up for him. I just think he inherited a bad situation (no picks, no cap space). Do you have someone in mind as his replacement? Because I don't see him as the type of guy who knows what it takes to rebuild a team from the ground up, which is what you're asking him to do.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 17, 2006, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: mhunt on February 17, 2006, 02:16:50 PM
i was kidding about the king remark, btw....personally, i think he's a moron. he's especially inept when it comes to free agency...see his record of signing garbage players to long term deals.
I figured as much, which was sort of the reason I stood up for him. I just think he inherited a bad situation (no picks, no cap space).
i know LB was the puppetmaster but a lot of those moves came under king's watch. and i don't follow the GM carousel closely enough to know who would be a good replacement. i just know king isn't getting it done.
http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/billy_king.htm
Hey, I'm not saying don't replace him, all I'm saying is the mess we're in now is not solely his fault.
not solely his fault...just mostly.
QuoteBest transaction: Traded Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner to the Sacramento Kings for Chris Webber, Michael Bradley and Matt Barnes on February 23, 2005.
When that is your career best transaction, you're not a very good GM.
I watched Webber take a half-assed swipe at a Bull last night as he drove the lane for an easy layup.
Then I changed the channel.
Whatever happened to Efthimos Rentizas? He was awsome.
Quote from: MDS on February 17, 2006, 02:49:13 PM
Whatever happened to Efthimos Rentizas? He was awsome.
he's still on the team but he had his name legally changed to shavlik randolph because it's slightly easier to spell.
my favorite billy king moments
QuoteDraft 1999
Traded a future first-round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for the draft rights to forward Jumaine Jones.
February 16 2000
Traded guard-forward Bruce Bowen, guard Larry Hughes and forward Billy Owens to the Golden State Warriors for forward Toni Kukoc from the Chicago Bulls.
August 3 2001
traded forward Roshown McLeod and a future first-round draft pick to the Boston Celtics for forward Jerome Moiso
Draft 2002
traded second-round picks in 2004 and 2006 for the draft rights to forward-center Efthimios Rentzias.
December 18 2002
Traded forward Mark Bryant and Art Long and a future first-round draft pick to the Denver Nuggets for forward Kenny Thomas from the Houston Rockets.
August 11 2005
Signed center Steven Hunter.
February 1 2006
Traded center Steven Hunter to the New Orleans Hornets for two second-round picks; signed center Zendon Hamilton to a 10-day contract.
Traded rescinded one week later.
The Kukoc deal seems to be pretty much the worst of the bunch.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 17, 2006, 03:05:06 PM
The Kukoc deal seems to be pretty much the worst of the bunch.
agreed.
trading away 1st round picks for jumaine jones, jerome moiso, & kenny thomas didn't help either.
KT wasn't too bad and landed us Webber (which was at least an EFFORT at getting help for Iverson). Jumaine had some potential at the time. I think Moiso saw less than 60 minutes on the court the entire time he played for the Sixers, though. That one was really, really, really bad.
King's signings of Korver & Steven Hunter are all you need to know about his ability to judge basketball talent.
Duke alumnus or not, he's a walking clusterfarg of a G.M.
The fact that he's lasted this long is a testament to his bosses shocking ineptitude in selecting the right architect for that team.
I think its time for Billy to get fired too.
But can you really blame him for trades and signing before Brown left? I think most of that was all Larry.
No, you can't blame him for the trades that were made when LB was still with the team. But you can blame him for everything that's happened since then.
Also, I'm not mad at him for the Webber trade. Obviously it doesn't appear to be working out but I think that was a move that needed to be done.
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If the Sixers trade that man away this season, I'm officially a fan of whatever team he goes to.
imagine if the ball was actually passed to him during a regular game. he could be a pretty good player.
Imagine if every game had no defense like all-star games. Maybe he could score 30 every night.
Sorry, but just had to play the other side.
He is quickly becoming one of my favorite Philly athletes.
The dunk contest sucks nowadays but I'll watch it just because of him. I hope he tears it up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 18, 2006, 08:53:59 AM
He is quickly becoming one of my favorite Philly athletes.
The dunk contest sucks nowadays but I'll watch it just because of him. I hope he tears it up.
He has been since last year for me.
And when I posted about him being in the dunk contest and that I was stoked about it, I think I got laughed at. And last year when I bitched about him being passed over for the dunk contest, I got laughed at.
I sense a theme here. :paranoid
Ha. Loser.
from espn insider:
QuoteWill Sixers trade Iverson after all?by: Marc Stein
posted: Friday, February 17, 2006
I don't think the Sixers could move Allen Iverson before next Thursday's trade deadline even if they wanted to.
But I do think they're thinking hard about what they do want to do.
I think so because a Sixers insider whom I trust unflinchingly tells me that the club is indeed investigating its pre-deadline Iverson trade possibilities.
AI himself has described such speculation as an annual media production that he's learned to live with every February, but such rumbles -- at least in my memory -- have never seemed so loud and, well, real. That's undoubtedly because the Sixers are not only fading in the standings with that high payroll ... they're also struggling at the gate more than they ever have in the Iverson Era.
It was thus a must on All-Star Media Day to ask Mr. Answer if he's as curious about his future as all of us.
Answer's answer? A weary no.
He definitely looked worn down, more subdued than I've seen him in these settings, but he rejected the idea that it was time to go to his Philly bosses and get his own answers about the trade chatter and why it seems to be getting louder. Iverson instead reiterated his long-held hope that he has the opportunity to retire as a Sixer -- "That's what I want," he reaffirmed -- and says his strategy in these matters is "just try to let it blow over and just hope that it doesn't happen."
My sense remains that the Sixers prefer to keep searching for the right mix to put around Iverson and that, as with Kevin Garnett in Minnesota, a trade of this magnitude could happen only in the summertime anyway because mere discussion of such a move is so combustible. Yet as much as you struggle sometimes to believe that Iverson will be 31 in June when you see how freak-of-nature dynamic he still is for a little man, it's also my sense that the list of teams willing to take on Iverson is probably getting shorter.
As one front-office executive suggests, at least two teams that previously figured to have certain Iverson interest because they so badly need a ticket-seller -- Atlanta and Orlando -- are starting to assemble interesting (and inexpensive) young cores that would likely lead them to pass on trying to build around Iverson. That's even though Iverson, no matter how much attendance has fallen in Philly, remains a huge box-office draw on the road.
Just a couple months ago, I thought Philly finally had its first two-man core of the Iverson Era. AI and Chris Webber had me convinced that they could play together, meaning that Philly only had to worry about getting the supporting cast right them. Now? There's so much tension in Sixerland that the club is obligated to call around and gauge all of its options.
But there are at least two East All-Stars here in Houston praying that it doesn't go any farther.
That would be Iverson and his teammate for the weekend: Rasheed Wallace.
"Hell yeah," 'Sheed said when asked if he's bothered by the Iverson speculation. "Not only as a Phlly guy -- I'm a Sixers fan. That's the squad I grew with up. I don't think he'll go, though. That'd be like trading Doc."
Something yesteryear's Sixers thought they could never do to Julius Erving.
iggy was fun to watch last night...granted, there was no D played in the game & 18 of his points came on dunks but hopefully it will help his confidence.
actually getting the ball in real games would help too.
i forgot that game was last night, damn. 9 dunks by iggy? sweet.
It's being replayed on NBATV at 11:30 tonight...
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/basketball/13905905.htm
QuoteThird, no player - including No. 3 - is off-limits as Thursday's trading deadline approaches. While Snider hasn't given up on Iverson, he said that a team in dire straits has to consider all offers. It will be King's decision whether to move Iverson, although Snider has been, and will continue to be, involved.
"We've discussed everything," Snider said. But he is acutely aware of what has happened in the past when the Sixers have traded a star. It hasn't been good, for the franchise or the fans.
"I don't want to start any kind of rumors," Snider said. "I just happen to agree with Billy. With a team like ourselves that is mired in a give-or-take .500 level, if we can make any change that we believe will help our club do better, we have to do it. You can't, in my mind, have untouchables in the situation that we're in."
As for Iverson's recently saying he doesn't know his role on the team, Snider said: "I feel that maybe he's not listening... . I think there's absolutely no question that his role on the team has been explained to him. Whether he likes it or not or whether he understands it or not is another issue."
Which brings us back to the fans. Have they tired of Iverson? Is it possible that, after 10 years, everyone in this area who is willing and able to pay for tickets has seen Iverson play?
"People maybe are spoiled," Snider said. "They've seen Allen a lot. They know what they're going to get. And they're not happy we're an up-and-down team, a .500 team, win one night, lose the next, and they just say, 'We'll watch it on TV.' "
That much about fans, it seems, Snider understands.
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:-D
:-D
I know MDS isn't smart or talented enough by himself to make that.
But props for finding it.
Cripes hunt....stfu already.
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You're like finding every shred of ANYTHING negative about AI and posting it. Its sad.
wah.
snider rarely talks about the sixers so when he says stuff like this, it's news & deserves to be posted.
That article proves that the Snider is about as clueless as it gets.
Snider's "amazement" at the fans turning their backs on that pathetic team is amusing, however.
According to him, King is safe, Mo Cheeks is safe and Iverson is a godsend.
All you can do is :-D
BTW: The "spoiled" comment... hilarious! How are Sixers fans spoiled? How many championships have they won in the past 40 years? Two?? Yeah, they're spoiled alright. Idiot. :-D :-D
i'm surprised he even remembered the sixers exist....but then again, the nhl is on a break.
comcast is airing an iverson special tonight at 9pm...it's a recap of his 10 years w/ the sixers...so get those vcr's ready.
It's at times like this that I curse the fact that I can't get CSN.
They're going to have a whole segment on "Practice?! We talkin' 'bout practice!"
NBA is a distant 3rd in my favorite sports, so if Iverson goes, I would easily jump ship and divide my allegiance to both the Sixers and Iverson's new team.
I think a much more invovled Kevin Ollie can lead to a Sixer resurgence in the seconf half of the year. Go team.
Quote from: mhunt on February 15, 2006, 09:07:17 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 15, 2006, 08:58:25 AM
what are the names being tossed around?
that's what i'm trying to find out...so far all i heard is that it's someone significant...not a scrub.
the trade was iverson for maggette & wilcox....when the clips traded wilcox for radmanovic, the sixers deal fell through.
damn.
Glad that one fell through.
Maggette and Wilcox?
Boo.
Isn't that the same package the Clippers were offering for Artest?
Pretty much. But Maggette was and I think still is on crutches so Indy wouldn't do it.
Speaking of the Clippers, they just signed Vin Baker.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2337626
:-D
Drinks are on Vin!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 20, 2006, 10:05:18 PM
Speaking of the Clippers, they just signed Vin Baker.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2337626
:-D
Just when you think they're about to turn the corner..........
How Elgin Baylor still has a job is one of the great mysteries of modern sport.
Sure, Donald Sterling is a joke of an owner, but still, how many times have the Clippers had a top-5 pick and utterly blown it?
Now they're scraping the likes of Vin Baker off the pavement?
Pathetic.
The move just doesn't make any sense. They've got a good squad, they're most likely going to the playoffs and they're the best team in LA right now. I just don't get how they feel Baker can help them improve at all.
Quote from: mhunt on February 20, 2006, 08:33:32 PM
the trade was iverson for maggette & wilcox....when the clips traded wilcox for radmanovic, the sixers deal fell through.
damn.
That would have been worse then the Barkley trade.
i wouldn't go that far, charles's was the worst in philly history in my opinion.
maggette's not bad, wilcox can jump but that's about it, he's going to be a bust if he's not already. very glad the trade didn't go through, and i agree, that makes no sense for the clippers. looks like they're trying really hard to ruin this good season of theirs.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 20, 2006, 10:56:59 PM
i wouldn't go that far, charles's was the worst in philly history in my opinion.
If this trade would have happened it would have surpassed the Barkley trade by far in terms of stupidity. At least the Sixers got Hornacek out of it who has a fine player for quite a few years. Magette and Wilcox are garbage and will be getting less than 5 minutes a game a few years from now if they're even in the league at all.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 20, 2006, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on February 20, 2006, 10:56:59 PM
i wouldn't go that far, charles's was the worst in philly history in my opinion.
If this trade would have happened it would have surpassed the Barkley trade by far in terms of stupidity. At least the Sixers got Hornacek out of it who has a fine player for quite a few years. Magette and Wilcox are garbage and will be getting less than 5 minutes a game a few years from now if they're even in the league at all.
Lang was decent at Center but he bounced after 1 season. Perry was a so so forward. That trade was awful but this one would be worse. Magette and Wilcox are nowhere close to equal value for Iverson.
maggette is a borderline all-star who plays well on both ends of the floor...that's the best they'll get for a1.
he's lightyears better than hornacek, lang, or perry so you're all way off with the barkley trade comparisons.
if you expect to get someone better than maggette for a1, you're going to be very disappointed when they finally trade him.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 20, 2006, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on February 20, 2006, 10:56:59 PM
i wouldn't go that far, charles's was the worst in philly history in my opinion.
Magette and Wilcox are garbage and will be getting less than 5 minutes a game a few years from now if they're even in the league at all.
maggette has averaged 20+ ppg the past 3 seasons...i'm pretty sure he'll be in the league.
Quote from: mhunt on February 21, 2006, 08:13:21 AM
maggette is a borderline all-star who plays well on both ends of the floor...that's the best they'll get for a1.
he's lightyears better than hornacek, lang, or perry so you're all way off with the barkley trade comparisons.
if you expect to get someone better than maggette for a1, you're going to be very disappointed when they finally trade him.
Hornacek > Maggette
Quote from: mhunt on February 21, 2006, 08:13:21 AM
maggette is a borderline all-star who plays well on both ends of the floor...that's the best they'll get for a1.
he's lightyears better than hornacek, lang, or perry so you're all way off with the barkley trade comparisons.
agreed.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 20, 2006, 11:28:02 PM
If this trade would have happened it would have surpassed the Barkley trade by far in terms of stupidity. At least the Sixers got Hornacek out of it who has a fine player for quite a few years. Magette and Wilcox are garbage and will be getting less than 5 minutes a game a few years from now if they're even in the league at all.
No way. Hornacek better than Maggette? He's been a really good player the last couple of years, one of the main people to turn that franchise around actually. And with Wilcox we would have gotten another guy who can throw down some nice dunks.
The more I think about it, I agreed with hunt, I don't think we get a better deal than that. Also remember, these guys have been playing for the Clippers, so most likely the season they leave they'll both become all-stars.
Granted, I don't want to see AI leave at all, but if it has to happen, not many teams would be able to offer better than that.
Fine, then chalk it up for personal bias. I don't like the dude.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 21, 2006, 09:57:45 AM
[No way. Hornacek better than Maggette?
I think you're forgetting how good Hornacek was. What do you gain by subtracting AI and gaining Maggette? Less talent but a little bit of youth. He's under contract for another 5 years at $7 million per.
I didn't look into what any of the salaries are, and yeah that's not too great, but talent-wise, i don't see any team being able to give us maggette-wilcox.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 21, 2006, 10:15:48 AM
I didn't look into what any of the salaries are, and yeah that's not too great, but talent-wise, i don't see any team being able to give us maggette-wilcox.
Like I said, nobody is going to give us close to his worth, so what is the use of getting rid of him? I hate the 'getting rid of him just to get rid of him' line of thinking.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 10:19:46 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on February 21, 2006, 10:15:48 AM
I didn't look into what any of the salaries are, and yeah that's not too great, but talent-wise, i don't see any team being able to give us maggette-wilcox.
Like I said, nobody is going to give us close to his worth, so what is the use of getting rid of him? I hate the 'getting rid of him just to get rid of him' line of thinking.
The only thinking that makes people like hunt or rome happy. ::)
I want the Sixers to get better as a team, PG. Finally moving Iverson would be the first step in accomplishing that task.
They have to rebuild. It's just that simple.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 10:19:46 AM
Like I said, nobody is going to give us close to his worth, so what is the use of getting rid of him? I hate the 'getting rid of him just to get rid of him' line of thinking.
i don't necessarily want to get rid of him either, AI's my favorite Sixer ever, other than Charles. but it's becoming painfully obvious that we're not going to be able to build a team around him. he's not going to end his career as a sixer. so we might as well get something while we still can.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 21, 2006, 10:37:13 AM
I want the Sixers to get better as a team, PG. Finally moving Iverson would be the first step in accomplishing that task.
They have to rebuild. It's just that simple.
That line of thinking worked so well when we traded Barkley away.
This thread's hilarious. I never thought i'd hear people argue over the better NBA player: Magette or Hornacek? :-D
Quote from: phattymatty on February 21, 2006, 10:38:12 AM
but it's becoming painfully obvious that we're not going to be able to build a team around him. he's not going to end his career as a sixer. so we might as well get something while we still can.
Exactly right. Others might want to wait until he has no value left whatsoever. I don't understand that line of thinking.
Whatever, though. With him or without him, they aren't going to win anything anytime soon. That's why starting over with whatever you can get for him is a better option.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 10:44:30 AM
That line of thinking worked so well when we traded Barkley away.
Dude, you can't use something in the past that happened and say that the same result will happen in the future.
That trade happened more than ten years ago with completely different circumstances surrounding it, so comparing that scenario to this is retarded.
We have no idea what the ramifications of trading Iverson would be. There are a host of variables to consider. Whatever the case, though, the Sixers aren't winning anything with the group of players that they have assembled. Trading your best player isn't necessarily a palatable option but if it's the only one you've got, you do what you have to do.
I think we should just let him get really old, as his quickness dwindles away and attendance continues to slowly drop, as the novelty has completely worn off for Philly fans. That way, the team can be poor and suck complete ass by the time he leaves or retires. So, they won't even have the money to rebuild.
That would be the coolest. While we're at it, let's trade away some more 1st round picks for crappy players with awful contracts! I mean... that's the way to build the team Billy the King style! w0ot!
Seriously, thinking this team can still win it all with Iverson at the center is just delusional.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 21, 2006, 10:52:54 AM
Seriously, thinking this team can still win it all with Iverson at the center is just delusional.
I know what you were saying here but still, the thought of Iverson playing the center position makes me chuckle.
Haha... Why not try it, if you're going to keep him?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 09:49:39 AM
Quote from: mhunt on February 21, 2006, 08:13:21 AM
maggette is a borderline all-star who plays well on both ends of the floor...that's the best they'll get for a1.
he's lightyears better than hornacek, lang, or perry so you're all way off with the barkley trade comparisons.
if you expect to get someone better than maggette for a1, you're going to be very disappointed when they finally trade him.
Hornacek > Maggette
wow...you're dead wrong on this one.
hornacek had one 20 ppg season in his career....one...other than that year, he was a 15-17 ppg spot up shooter who did little else.
maggette is a better scorer and a much better defender...it's not close.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 10:13:39 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on February 21, 2006, 09:57:45 AM
[No way. Hornacek better than Maggette?
I think you're forgetting how good Hornacek was. What do you gain by subtracting AI and gaining Maggette? Less talent but a little bit of youth. He's under contract for another 5 years at $7 million per.
he's under contract for 3 more years (same as iverson) & $7 mill per year is a bargain for a player like maggette.
Maggette's overall career shooting %, 3pt%, and FT% are all better than Iverson's.
Quote from: mhunt on February 21, 2006, 11:30:06 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 09:49:39 AM
Quote from: mhunt on February 21, 2006, 08:13:21 AM
maggette is a borderline all-star who plays well on both ends of the floor...that's the best they'll get for a1.
he's lightyears better than hornacek, lang, or perry so you're all way off with the barkley trade comparisons.
if you expect to get someone better than maggette for a1, you're going to be very disappointed when they finally trade him.
Hornacek > Maggette
wow...you're dead wrong on this one.
hornacek had one 20 ppg season in his career....one...other than that year, he was a 15-17 ppg spot up shooter who did little else.
maggette is a better scorer and a much better defender...it's not close.
Hornacek was a better defender than Maggette. He also had a .496 career shooting % whereas Maggette's is .448.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 21, 2006, 10:50:42 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 10:44:30 AM
That line of thinking worked so well when we traded Barkley away.
Dude, you can't use something in the past that happened and say that the same result will happen in the future.
That trade happened more than ten years ago with completely different circumstances surrounding it, so comparing that scenario to this is retarded.
We have no idea what the ramifications of trading Iverson would be. There are a host of variables to consider. Whatever the case, though, the Sixers aren't winning anything with the group of players that they have assembled. Trading your best player isn't necessarily a palatable option but if it's the only one you've got, you do what you have to do.
What is the use of history if it teaches us nothing? How is this 'completely different'? They're both undersized players for their positions, are both controversial, are both the centerpieces of their teams, are roughly the same age (give or take a few years). And just like AI, we gave Barkely away for the sake of giving him away. That move set this franchise back 10 years.
well, i'm not claiming that maggette is better than iverson...just that he'd be a nice piece if they decided to rebuild and trade a1.
obviously this deal can't happen now since wilcox was already traded but this is the type of deal they need to make...get 1 young, borderline all-star and another decent young player for a1 and they'd be on the right path.
and stop saying hornacek was better than maggette....especially defensively. :-D
for comparisons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/labs/comp.cgi?I=maggeco01%3ACorey+Maggette&y1=&C=hornaje01%3AJeff+Hornacek&y2=&s=r&t=t&submit=Compare)
Quote from: mhunt on February 21, 2006, 11:42:37 AM
well, i'm not claiming that maggette is better than iverson...just that he'd be a nice piece if they decided to rebuild and trade a1.
obviously this deal can't happen now since wilcox was already traded but this is the type of deal they need to make...get 1 young, borderline all-star and another decent young player for a1 and they'd be on the right path.
and stop saying hornacek was better than maggette....especially defensively. :-D
Hornacek = Kyle Korver.
Quote from: MURP on February 21, 2006, 11:48:56 AM
for comparisons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/labs/comp.cgi?I=maggeco01%3ACorey+Maggette&y1=&C=hornaje01%3AJeff+Hornacek&y2=&s=r&t=t&submit=Compare)
Dude, Hornacek's better than Maggette at everything! Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.!
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 21, 2006, 12:04:39 PM
Dude, Hornacek's better than Maggette at everything! Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.!
he's got like 600 more games. must mean he stays a lot healthier.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 11:38:39 AM
What is the use of history if it teaches us nothing?
"Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it."
Yeah, I know the quote. The only problem in applying it to this situation is that this scenario has the potential to be rectified in a better way than the Barkley trade. It's not making the same mistake over just because a trade is being contemplated.
You're ASSuming that King couldn't get decent value for Iverson by using the Barkley trade as a barometer for potential success. That is blatant illogic because King didn't make the Barkley trade, someone else did.
Comparing apples to oranges might be the way you analyze a situation but it's certainly not a legitimate one, Homer.
hah! okay, i admit i was wrong. hornacek clearly had more points, assists, etc in his 14 year career than maggette does in the first 5 1/2 seasons of his career.
keep a1!
Quote from: phattymatty on February 21, 2006, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 21, 2006, 12:04:39 PM
Dude, Hornacek's better than Maggette at everything! Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.!
he's got like 600 more games. must mean he stays a lot healthier.
GET HORNACEK!
Hornacek waves to the crowd following his Hall of Fame induction ceremony:
(http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/pics/1011sunscov.jpg)
Iverson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hornacek.
I'll admit that much.
:yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 21, 2006, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 21, 2006, 11:38:39 AM
What is the use of history if it teaches us nothing?
"Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it."
Yeah, I know the quote. The only problem in applying it to this situation is that this scenario has the potential to be rectified in a better way than the Barkley trade. It's not making the same mistake over just because a trade is being contemplated.
You're ASSuming that King couldn't get decent value for Iverson by using the Barkley trade as a barometer for potential success. That is blatant illogic because King didn't make the Barkley trade, someone else did.
Comparing apples to oranges might be the way you analyze a situation but it's certainly not a legitimate one, Homer.
You trust King to rebuild this franchise? I don't.
Hornacek>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MJ :-*
for some reason, ESPN.com has a "trade checker" in regards to the upcoming NBA trade deadline. Why? I'm not sure. I was able to trade Webber & Ollie's contracts for Keith Van Horn & Jason Terry's expiring contracts.
That being the first of many moves, it' shows thatI'm OBVIOUSLY on my way to becoming the greatest NBA GM of all time.
fire king...hire madlad.
realgm.com has had one of those trade checkers for years...i'm sure billy king is on there right now cooking up his next deal.
-- Supposedly the Sixers turned down a deal that would've sent AI to Denver for K-Mart, Nene and Earl Watson...
-- Bring a gun, get punished with 2 free tickets to a game (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/13926368.htm)
KMart and Webber :-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 21, 2006, 10:52:54 AM
I think we should just let him get really old, as his quickness dwindles away and attendance continues to slowly drop, as the novelty has completely worn off for Philly fans. That way, the team can be poor and suck complete ass by the time he leaves or retires. So, they won't even have the money to rebuild.
That would be the coolest. While we're at it, let's trade away some more 1st round picks for crappy players with awful contracts! I mean... that's the way to build the team Billy the King style! w0ot!
Seriously, thinking this team can still win it all with Iverson at the center is just delusional.
i really dont get this thinking. the team isnt good. so all of a sudden low tickets are AI's fault? the novelty has worn off? take any star on any team...have them rise up...even reach the finals...then completely collapse to mediocrity and u accept that fan base to be happy all the time and have the same attenance? the sixers really havent given the fans anything to cheer about. iverson is having at least as good a season he had in his mvp year, the team around him just isnt the same. and which novelty are u talking about? the one where ppl used to complain about him missing practices or his brushes with larry brown?
2 words................
michael
sweetney
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 22, 2006, 12:09:24 AM
-- Supposedly the Sixers turned down a deal that would've sent AI to Denver for K-Mart, Nene and Earl Watson...
-- Bring a gun, get punished with 2 free tickets to a game (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/13926368.htm)
not a bad deal if they also got rid of webber somehow.
and i'd rather trade in sixers tickets for a gun.
The whole gun promo has brought on numerous attempts at humor (and bad ones too) by the morning show to compare shooting guns to the Sixers shooting.
Which isn't all that funny especially since the offense isn't the problem.
AI for KMart, Nene and Watson?
Hmmmmmmmmm. No.
I heard on CBS3 that they were talking to the Hawks too. Who in the hell would they get from the Hawks? Zaza Pachulia and the ghost of Jon Koncak?
al harrington has been on the block all season. do the hawks still have joe johnson? if so, i wouldn't mind him.
edit...johnson is still on the hawks.
a1 & korver for harrington & johnson works under the cap.
so does a1, hunter, & salmons for harrington & johnson.
and so does webber for harrington & johnson...okay, i know. why the hell would the hawks do that one?
Yep. The same Joe Johnson with a $70M contract.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 22, 2006, 08:44:38 AM
Yep. The same Joe Johnson with a $70M contract.
he's good though....good players tend to have high salaries. ;D
So do a lot of bad players. This is the NBA...the league where money is free.
i wonder if there really is any chance they trade him before tomorrow. love him or hate him, it would be the end of a historical era in Sixers history.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 22, 2006, 09:11:19 AM
So do a lot of bad players. This is the NBA...the league where money is free.
true...but they will get a high salary player if they trade iverson or webber...we just have to hope it's one of the good ones.
on a couple boards i read, people are posting that they're looking at trading a1 for garnett straight up...then turning around & trading ollie and hunter to clevelend for snow. the bad news is, they're saying they heard about it on wip. :-D
edit: apparently, wip is citing CN8 as their source for the garnett rumor...not sure if that's better or worse.
after the sixers trade Webber for Van Horn & Jason Terry, they'll turn around and trade Iverson to Chicago for Ben Gordon and Tim Thomas (as requested earlier).
Next season, they'd lose these contracts:
Van Horn = 15,600,000
Terry = 6,666,00
Thomas = 14,000,000
Mashburn = 10,000,000
they'd also get rid of the "webber and iverson can't co-exist" situation. It's so OBVIOUS Billy, you need to make these trades.
trade checkers are the greatest thing since i turned on my computer this morning.
let's say that goes through, what's the starting lineup?
Snow
Iggy
Salmons
Webber
Garnett
with Dalembert and Korver coming off the bench?
its well known around the league that garnett is not going to be moved...so that trade isnt happening
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 22, 2006, 12:09:24 AM
-- Supposedly the Sixers turned down a deal that would've sent AI to Denver for K-Mart, Nene and Earl Watson...
better than the clippers trade. should have done it, although i believe k-mart makes a ridiculous amount of money. nene and watson both become starters right away.
Quote from: mhunt on February 22, 2006, 08:33:56 AM
and i'd rather trade in sixers tickets for a gun.
You'd only get a broken cap gun for them at this point.
Nene is out for the year with a blown-out knee
getting rid of webber instead of AI would be my dream.
webber to denver for k-mart and earl watson works. then we get a PG and a PF who's not afraid to use his power.
Kenyon Martin and AI on the same team would be interesting, in a fun way.
whose that man? its big daddy graham ('s bullshtein rumors):
ai for garnett
ollie and hunter for eric snow
:-D
Garnett + Snow = championship
a guy on PhilliesPhans, who seems pretty tuned in on the Sixers, said to not be surprised if Korver is moved.
a guy on ConcreteField, who can make the greatest trades ever, said Lebron can be traded for if you include Kevin Ollie, Steven Hunter, and Lee Nailon.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 22, 2006, 02:14:58 PM
a guy on PhilliesPhans, who seems pretty tuned in on the Sixers, said to not be surprised if Korver is moved.
Let me guess, his screen name is ILoveGeiger
korver for hornacek!
beginning tonight vs cle, enjoy iverson's last 30 games as a 76er! :yay
Quote from: mhunt on February 22, 2006, 03:55:23 PM
korver for hornacek!
beginning tonight vs cle, enjoy iverson's last 30 games as a 76er! :yay
We'll go from a .500 record with one of the most exciting players in the league to a 25-67
team that is absolutely boring. Sweet!
Are you the mother of Iverson's children or something, SD?
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 22, 2006, 04:07:37 PM
Are you the mother of Iverson's children or something, SD?
You're right, because I'm never critical of Iverson:
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 17, 2006, 01:15:06 PM
I think people are grossly overvaluing AI's trade value.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 17, 2006, 01:29:32 PM
. AI is not going to bring us a good player, another good young player, and a draft pick.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 17, 2006, 02:05:39 PM
No team is going to give us full worth for a guy who's known as a trouble maker and a guy who's not really a 'team' guy.
Seattle would be stupid to trade us Ray Allen for AI.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 04, 2006, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 04, 2006, 01:03:46 PM
as a pg how much has AI been averaging in terms of assists?
Like 7 or 8 per game but he still shoots waaaaay too much.
wow...keep that up and your a1 fanclub membership will be revoked!
if you're happy with iverson putting up 30 on a mediocre team, there's not a damn thing anyone can post to change your mind.
i'm not.
If the team needs one season of crap to build an actual contender, that's fine with me. If they just stay the course with Iverson as the focal point of the team, they have zero chance to win it all... and that's not fine with me.
with or without iverson the team is going nowhere for 3-5 years...thats why i lean towards iverson staying and being a sixer lifer...may not mean poop to any of you haters but its a source of pride for me...i dont want to see my second favorite sixer of all-time languishing with houston or some godforsaken wasteland of a sports city for the last years of his career...he deserves better
now if they can deal him for a young stud that would be an essential building block then id reconsider...but if its for corey maggette kenyon martin or chachi arcola then no thanks
rajon rondo!!!
Chachi had mad skillz, yo.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2006, 05:29:24 PM
with or without iverson the team is going nowhere for 3-5 years...thats why i lean towards iverson staying and being a sixer lifer...may not mean poop to any of you haters but its a source of pride for me...i dont want to see my second favorite sixer of all-time languishing with houston or some godforsaken wasteland of a sports city for the last years of his career...he deserves better
Bingo!
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 22, 2006, 04:49:09 PM
If the team needs one season of crap to build an actual contender, that's fine with me. If they just stay the course with Iverson as the focal point of the team, they have zero chance to win it all... and that's not fine with me.
You're completely delusional if you think it's only going to take 1 or 2 seasons to turn this team around.
Quote from: mhunt on February 22, 2006, 04:26:33 PM
wow...keep that up and your a1 fanclub membership will be revoked!
if you're happy with iverson putting up 30 on a mediocre team, there's not a damn thing anyone can post to change your mind.
i'm not.
You're happy with Maggette and crap up until the Sixers blow for the next 5 seasons and you're calling for BK's head. I can already see you backtracking saying "yeah it was a bad move, but I that's why BK gets paid to make these decisions". Then again there's always the 'Team first' concept which is so popular in the NBA today.
how about that.....a win and 3 players with over 20 points, including Iguodala... :yay
FWIW, Tollefson on FOX29 and Ed Snider on WIP both said the team won't be making any major trades tomorrow...
Build around Iguodala, for the love of God.
Big woop, they'll play like ass next game.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 22, 2006, 10:41:41 PM
You're happy with Maggette and crap up until the Sixers blow for the next 5 seasons and you're calling for BK's head. I can already see you backtracking saying "yeah it was a bad move, but I that's why BK gets paid to make these decisions". Then again there's always the 'Team first' concept which is so popular in the NBA today.
wrong answer.
i want the team to make the necessary changes to become a championship contender...if that means trading iverson, webber, whoever...i'm all for it. i'm a fan of the team, not just the individual players. mediocrity is not good enough.
and i've already been calling for billy king's head...he's a big part of the problem.
Quote from: MDS on February 23, 2006, 12:09:03 AM
Big woop, they'll play like ass next game.
yeah, they will.
it's a shame that it takes controversy or trade rumors to get iverson to play team ball...and even then, he only does it for a game or two.
Quotei'm a fan of the team, not just the individual players.
While I usually think mhunt is just out to incite, I must say that I wish more people would feel this way. Smooches you big lug.
I must say that I wish more people would feel this way
there is virtually no one that doesnt feel that way...its a nice cliche tho...one of my favorites in fact
and hunt iverson didnt play any different last night than he has all year...he still took a bunch of shots...the difference was iguodala took 15 shots...thus iverson gets 12 assists...team shot over 50% as well...its as ive said for ten years if iverson ever got any shooters and to a lesser extent scorers around him hed lead the league in assists...iggy needs more games like last night and less 5 or 6 shot games
he did play different last night...he made a point to get iggy & webber shots early in the game instead of coming out gunning like he usually does. once c-webb & iggy got going, a1 did start shooting more but he barely shot in the first 5-7 minutes of the game.
he didnt gun because iggy im guessing with his confidence raised after his all star weekend came out super aggressive
Too bad he'll shoot something like 12/33 the next game.
Ed Snider was on WIP with Macnow last night and he was getting angry. It was pretty entertaining and at one point he said he'd move the team. We all know that wouldn't happen, but he was dumb to say it especially on that station because they are going nuts over it. Between that and Cataldi calling the Eagles the cheapest team in the NFL for the rumors that they're one of the 9 who'll sue the NFL he's having a ball today. But Snider said some stupid stuff. And the one question/point that Macnow should've brought up when talking attendance is ticket prices.
AI is not going anywhere today.
I bet they make a minor move though.
Quotethere is virtually no one that doesnt feel that way...its a nice cliche tho...one of my favorites in fact
Your sarcasm is appreciated but there is a hell of a lot more player worship and support vs. teams now than at any point that I've ever experienced.
Snider threatened to move the Sixers?
:-D
Classic.
that's how their offense should work every game. i wouldn't have a problem with Iverson's play if he took Jordan's philosophy. Jordan always made a point to get Pippen, Kukoch, and others into the game early and then he'd take the big shots late in the game.
Iggy should get that many shots every night, he should also be posting up more, especially when he has a 2 guarding him. His low post game is not bad.
Snider threatened to move the Sixers?
Classic.
he did not...he was angry and was being facetious
hah! snider comes across as an idiot in most of his interviews. threatening to move the team is pretty bad though.
and i don't expect any major trades today either...maybe something like hunter for sweetney but that's it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 23, 2006, 08:39:58 AM
Snider threatened to move the Sixers?
Classic.
he did not...he was angry and was being facetious
I simply commented on what Phreak wrote, IGY. I didn't actually hear the interview.
That said, I wouldn't put it past Snider to move the Sixers. Not for a second. He's never given a damn about them anyway. They're his redheaded step-child. Always have been.
he was on with macnow last night and was getting drilled about how none of the fans want to come out and see iverson anymore and that attendance basically blows right now...macnow said no one wants to see a team that doesnt at least have hope for a title...snider said well then maybe we should move the team to a city that will care
he was clearly pissed and made a heated off the cuff remark...in no way was it a threat to move the team
He said it but it wasn't really a threat. I took it as him being petulant. You know the ol' "i'm taking my ball and going home" speech.
He was getting frustrated with Macnow.
And he said that Philly wasn't a probasketball city. And wondered why fans weren't coming out. That is where Macnow shoulda brought up the ticket prices. But I guess that was too much to ask of him.
Another thing that Snider said that I found funny is when they talked about Webber he basically said that they gave the Kings 3 bums who cannot play in the NBA. But at the same time he didn't realize he was ripping Billy because Billy signed Kenny The Stiff and Skinner to fat contracts.
And he said he doesn't care about money (salaries) because everyone makes too much money in the NBA.
I took it as him being petulant. You know the ol' "i'm taking my ball and going home" speech.
exactly
if snider doesn't know why fans aren't coming out for sixers games, he's more clueless than i thought.
that bozo should stick to hockey.
One other thing about that interview that bothered me...and it was from Macnow's mouth.
He kept saying that fans in this city won't show support to our teams unless that team shows that it has a very good shot at winning a championship.
WHAT?!?!?!
Now I hear a lot of callers saying that and of course some people on the MB's out there. But what happened to Philly being a city who supported their team through thick and thin? We've always been known as a city who'll support its teams no matter what. I realize the Phillies and Sixers attendances in the early-mid 90's were bad but baseball in a 60,000+ seat stadium 81 nights a year you won't sell out a lot.
When did Philadelphia become a bandwagon town, Macnow?
QuoteBilly King gets through money like I get through beefburgers. It's alarming. In recent years, he has either given out or taken on the contracts of Aaron McKie, Allen Iverson, Chris Webber, Samuel Dalembert, Dikembe Mutombo, Todd MacCulloch, Greg Buckner, Kevin Ollie, Derrick Coleman, Kyle Korver, Marc Jackson, Keith Van Horn, Eric Snow, Steven Hunter, Jamal Mashburn, Glenn Robinson, Brian Skinner, Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson, George Lynch - you get the idea.
In recent times, he has made absolutely no mistake about spending a lot of money. He traded the expiring contract of Glenn Robinson for Jamal Mashburn and Rodney Rogers, for which all he got was 25 games of Rogers (insurance pays Mashburn's salary, but it still counts against the salary cap). He traded the expiring contract of Derrick Coleman for Corliss Williamson. He gave Iverson $80 million for 4 more years. He threw 6 years at Greg Buckner, then bought him out after 2. He chose to cut his losses and eat the big contract of Aaron McKie. He chose to cut his losses on the massive contract of Eric Snow and gift him away for what amounted to Kevin Ollie and his 5 year contract. (Kedrick Brown, the other piece of the trade, was out of the league within months). He threw $20 million at Brian Skinner, just to hire a coach that wouldn't play him. Speaking of which, he is still paying the contract of previous head coach Jim O'Brien, and has now turned to his fourth head coach in two years.
Subsequently, he trades away Marc Jackson for a second round pick citing "payroll concerns". And then gives a five year contract to his replacement, Steven Hunter. Who he then tries to trade away to the Hornets in a bid to save on payroll. Illogical, really, seeing as it was King who created those payroll concerns in the first place.
King's best moves have come on draft nights, which over the years have seen him acquire, via either drafting or draft night trades: Larry Hughes, Speedy Claxton, Todd MacCulloch, Nazr Mohammed, Kyle Korver, Sam Dalembert, Willie Green, John Salmons and Andre Iguodala. In 2001, King assembled a team around Allen Iverson that was good enough to get to the NBA Finals. It's what has happened since then, however, that has been the problem.
After Dikembe Mutombo's career slowly trickled to a near-stop, King first sought replacement in the softer, whiter Keith Van Horn, before trading him after one season for the equally soft, somewhat blacker Glenn Robinson. Neither of them turned out to be good fits. Numerous years of public clamoring for an inside presence to compensate Iverson led to a trade for Chris Webber to compensate Iverson and the youthful perimeter players picked up through the draft. And even with both players staying relatively healthy, the pairing has not worked, as the team is sub-.500 at the break, barely holding onto the final playoff spot. For such a pricely outlay (a salary cap figure of $75 million this season, already $71 million committed for 2008), that's not a good return. And it's hard to know where to go from here, unless they finally do opt to trade Iverson. Something which can never be ruled out.
Who wrote that?
I'mno BIlly King homer here because I think he should be under some fire.
But that post, and I hear a lot of Sixers fans do this, blames BIlly for a lot of things that Larry Brown did.
it's from an article on realgm.com...the writer rated the worst 10 gm's in the league & put billy at 6th worst.
http://realgm.com/src_feature/480/20060221/the_recently_least_successful_gms/
although we all know brown called the shots back then, king was technically the gm.
Shoot him a message and let him know that Larry Brown had a lot of those farg ups under his watch.
Billy has quite a few too. Billy took over in May of 2003.
I told you guys about Steven Hunter. The signings last summer of their own free agents were even worse.
Just a horrible misjudgement of talent. And now the Sixers are facing the prospect of a total overhaul with no financial flexibility to even begin the process.
Yay mismanagement.
Fire King and bring in a competent GM. That should be job #1 for the dude in France... errr... I mean, Santa Barbara.
:D
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/basketball/13939463.htm
QuoteThe Sixers actually considered this deal, mainly because Iverson, regardless of his affection for the city of Philadelphia, has had his folks pushing hard for him to be moved to someone - anyone - with a chance to win a championship.
is screamin' a full of crap as usual or is a1 asking for a trade?
you decide.
Detroit wouldn't want him and they're the only team in the East with a chance.
Therefore, it's gotta be a team out west and which of those three or four teams would want him?
Phoenix? No. San Antonio? LOL! Nope. Dallas? Possibly. You never know what that fruitcake of an owner is thinking. The Clippers? You never know. The thing is, they're pretty thin talent-wise so if they did give up anyone, their team would be weakened to the point where they might not be much better than the Sixers.
Bottom line is, Iverson doesn't appear to be going anywhere because the teams that he'd want to go to don't need him and the teams that would need him don't have enough to make it worth the Sixers while to trade him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 23, 2006, 09:04:37 AM
One other thing about that interview that bothered me...and it was from Macnow's mouth.
He kept saying that fans in this city won't show support to our teams unless that team shows that it has a very good shot at winning a championship.
WHAT?!?!?!
Now I hear a lot of callers saying that and of course some people on the MB's out there. But what happened to Philly being a city who supported their team through thick and thin? We've always been known as a city who'll support its teams no matter what. I realize the Phillies and Sixers attendances in the early-mid 90's were bad but baseball in a 60,000+ seat stadium 81 nights a year you won't sell out a lot.
When did Philadelphia become a bandwagon town, Macnow?
its always has been. people just refuse to beleive it. every city wants to beleive that they the best fans.
yeah, the chances of selling out the vet for baseball were slim, but then went years averaging 15000 a night. thats pathetic. eagles home games used to black out locally all the time, the latest being in 1999.
the only team that was able to sustain attendence was the flyers.
overall we're as fair weather as anywhere else.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 23, 2006, 10:33:50 AM
Detroit wouldn't want him and they're the only team in the East with a chance.
Therefore, it's gotta be a team out west and which of those three or four teams would want him?
Phoenix? No. San Antonio? LOL! Nope. Dallas? Possibly. You never know what that fruitcake of an owner is thinking. The Clippers? You never know. The thing is, they're pretty thin talent-wise so if they did give up anyone, their team would be weakened to the point where they might not be much better than the Sixers.
Bottom line is, Iverson doesn't appear to be going anywhere because the teams that he'd want to go to don't need him and the teams that would need him don't have enough to make it worth the Sixers while to trade him.
dallas might lose jason terry to free agency this summer so they're the only possibility on that list.
QuoteTim Thomas has expressed interest in joining New Jersey, San Antonio, Miami or Philadelphia should the Chicago Bulls not be able to trade his expiring contract today and a buyout is reached,
No.
he said beefburgers.
and this past weekend is just the beginning for iggy. he now knows what its like to be in the spotlight and i think he's going to be a different player from now on. that was just the spark he needed.
wow...ed snider will be on with the king today...taking calls...should be good radio...be prepared for some huge damage control
what time?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 23, 2006, 03:00:55 PM
wow...ed snider will be on with the king today...taking calls...should be good radio...be prepared for some huge damage control
on what. what time. who. where.
jamal mashburn is the 45th highest paid player in the nba. not bad for someone who hasn't played in years.
they didnt say and they never do...they want you tuned in the whole time
sometime during the kings show...thats all i know
5 o'clock hour
actually hes coming up after the current break
Snider (so far):
-I would never move the team
-Backtracked on the fan comment
-Thinks they have an exciting team with AI, Iggy, Korver etc.
-Thinks they have a good young nucleus with Iggy, Korver, Dalembart, Salmons
-They're not looking to move Dalembart but a lot of teams have expressed interest
-Blames continuity at the coaching postion since LB left as a big part of the problem
-Doesn't like the cap and contract situation in the NBA
Commercial break right now.
lee nailon traded for a lock of paul mokeski's hair
-Traded Lee Nailon today to free up some money. No comment on what we received in return (a 6 pack of beer would be nice)
-Said WIP took his comments out of context
-Team craves support of the fans, doesn't think fans will support a team they don't feel will bring them a championship.
-Commenting on how much he had to do to keep the team from moving to Jersey years ago. Talked about personally financing the team to keep them here.
-Was excited after Iggy's AS performance but disappointed after hearing the negativity
-Acknowledges this team has no chance at a championship this year
-Says we're a couple of pieces (maybe 1 more guy ::)) away from being serious contenders
-Need to be better defensively
-Called Allen Iverson the 'Savior of this franchise'
-Eskin asks Ed if he thinks this town is tired of AI, Snider sticks up for him
-Comments on AI trade rumors: Said BK listens to all trade possibilities, there are no untouchables.
-Brought up the Sixers history of trading superstars like Chamberlain and Barkley and how much they set the franchise back
-Eskin claims Webber doesn't like playing with AI. Snider says he's never heard that from Chris or BK.
-Eds opinion on BK: Has done a good job overall. Has overcome a bunch of issues. King inherited a bad situation from Larry Brown.
nailon signed a 1 year deal for around $835,000 this year so i guess they traded his expiring contract ???
maybe they're freeing up room for willie green...or tim thomas.
whens phillies season start?
Nailon + our 2nd-rd pick to Cleveland for a conditional 2nd rd pick
blockbuster
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 23, 2006, 05:09:16 PM
Nailon + our 2nd-rd pick to Cleveland for a conditional 2nd rd pick
wouldnt the sixers pick be lower?
the sixers threw a play in to trade down?
what a league of retards
Quote from: Wingspan on February 23, 2006, 05:22:06 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 23, 2006, 05:09:16 PM
Nailon + our 2nd-rd pick to Cleveland for a conditional 2nd rd pick
wouldnt the sixers pick be lower?
the sixers threw a play in to trade down?
what a league of retards
Conditional though. Maybe if Nailon gets 20 PPG for the rest of the year we get a 1st rounder!!111!1!11
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 23, 2006, 05:09:16 PM
Nailon + our 2nd-rd pick to Cleveland for a conditional 2nd rd pick
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He is right that WIP took the comment out of context about moving the team.
Ikid you not, right after he finished up with Macnow they had the annoying Jan Goram on for her update and she lead off with saying "Snider says he will move the Sixers because of lack of fans support".
Lee Nailon was traded? Yay! Championship here we come.
I bet that is for WIllie Green to come back.
Yeah....so our genius of a GM basically traded away our 2nd-round pick to get rid of Nailon....for Green or Tim Thomas :sly
nailon & hunter were excellent additions....good job, billy!
break out up the sixers!
2 in a row & they're actually sharing the ball more....korver was money last night.
lol...its 'break UP' doggie
you're so street.
i have much to learn.
they played pretty well last night, with the exception of webber who almost singlehandedly lost the game in the 4th.
let's see if they get some revenge vs the bulls tonight.
Well, the last time they went looking for revenge against a team that whipped their asses and stole their lunch money they got their asses beat again (Washington).
But Korver was indeed money last night. Good to see him get in a groove. And it was nice to see Stephen Hunter actually do something too.
AI only took 17 shots last night.
I like the new thing with Ollie starting and playing a lot more. He's doing well and actually playing some good D too.
yeah...ollie did a good job on redd last night. hunter looked okay but the sixers really get killed on the boards without dalembert.
i'll be interested to see how willie green fits in when/if he's signed...i wish he could develop into a pg but i'm not sure he can.
No Webber and Sammy D again tonight.
I turned it on in the mid 1st so I don't know why CWebb isn't playing.
59-57 Bulls at the half.
webber has the flu...he was able to play with it last night but not tonight.
if it's anything like the flu i had last week, i can relate. :puke
They win again. Go figure.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Larry_O'Brien_trophy.jpg)
more kevin ollie = more wins
more wins = less rajon rondo
Shav Randolph and his bloody nose were snatchin boards last night. He could turn into a good role player with some experience. When he plays he goes all out. I like that.
AI turned it on in the 4th when needed and that defensive stop by Dre with 28 seconds to go was clutch. Duhon was on fire and he kept trying to spot up and Iggy swiped it from him.
Nice win last night.
Now they have to go do the Texas Two Step...Dallas and their 14 game home winning streak on Monday
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2006, 11:04:57 AM
Shav Randolph and his bloody nose were snatchin boards last night. He could turn into a good role player with some experience. When he plays he goes all out. I like that.
I was cursing his name earlier when he kept missing them easy 2 footers. The boo's in the crowd were directed towards him. He definitely redeemed himself by the end of the game.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 26, 2006, 12:27:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2006, 11:04:57 AM
Shav Randolph and his bloody nose were snatchin boards last night. He could turn into a good role player with some experience. When he plays he goes all out. I like that.
I was cursing his name earlier when he kept missing them easy 2 footers. The boo's in the crowd were directed towards him. He definitely redeemed himself by the end of the game.
I thought Bradley was the one who kept missing those, not Shav. I was booing Bradley for those 2 foot misses.
PS...Salmons is a waste of space. He was like 0 for 100 for a while with some ridiculous TOs.
Bradley was missing them early, but Shav missed 4 or 5 consecutive shots in the second. That was when the boo's started.
Quote"We feel like this is a new season for us, and we're approaching it like that," Iverson said. "We just understand we're going to have to do it with each other. We tried it different ways in the first half [of the season]. Now we're just going to have to do it the way Mo wants it done every night."
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/basketball/13965715.htm
50 games into his 10th season, allen realizes he should try to do what the coach wants.
yay!
Well, Mo wants defense. And that still isn't happening.
maybe in 10 more years.
baby steps.
(http://metropolis.japantoday.com/tokyofeaturestories/372/pics/recordtitle.jpg)
::)
You hate basketball MDS, why do you even read this thread?
Again, I don't know where your getting that from.
Quote from: mhunt on February 26, 2006, 01:21:54 PM
Quote"We feel like this is a new season for us, and we're approaching it like that," Iverson said. "We just understand we're going to have to do it with each other. We tried it different ways in the first half [of the season]. Now we're just going to have to do it the way Mo wants it done every night."
De Ja Vu
Every time they go on a mini run it's the same bullshtein. Once they lose 4 of their next 5 it'll be back to the finger pointing we're so accustomed to.
hey, all i did is post what iverson said...don't kill the messenger. ::)
wow im at the crossroads...ive come to the point of slicin off my scrotum or agreeing with pg....im going with the latter...
hunt = central pennsyltucky wouldnt know nba ball if it had an exhibition game in scranton internet livin never seen a black man google quote searchin red neck white trash chicken ish mother ugger....
don't get angry, vanilla....your hero iverson said it...philly inquirer printed it & i posted it here.
sorry it didn't fit your agenda & got you all flustered. word to your mother.
keyser valley represent dawg!
i don't even know what the "keyser valley" is but okay. you're really street so it must be cool if you said it.
Quote from: MDS on February 26, 2006, 01:33:51 PM
Well, Mo wants defense. And that still isn't happening.
don't speak for me
Sorry, sir. Will not happen again.
Interview with Billy King on the right side of the screen (http://kyw.com/sports)
-- no truth to the AI-to-Denver rumors
-- teams were interested in Salmons but there was no good deal
-- "it's unfortunate in this town that people put a perception on our players that they can't play"
-- he's frustrated with the team like the fans are
-- thinks a big problem is that the players don't believe in each other
-- says you can't simply trade away people and rebuild because you can end up like the Clippers, Bulls and Hawks .... says it's better to be a 7th/8th seed instead of being in the lottery every year
-- disagrees that the team consists of 2 aging stars, low-valued young guys and a lack of draft picks
-- thinks they can win a round in the playoffs
-- no regrets about re-signing Dalembert and Korver
-- is looking ahead to two years from now when Webber is off the cap and AI is in his final year
-- says at least they aren't like the Knicks, who keep adding payroll but never have a chance to win (take that, Feva ;D )
He's comparing the Sixers to the Knicks in a favorable light?
:-D :-D
BTW: Yo, Billy... it's not a perception that they can't play. It's a fact. You've built a mediocre team. Deal with it.
Quote-- "it's unfortunate in this town that people put a perception on our players that they can't play"
it's unfortunate that he built a team full of players who can't play.
Quote-- he's frustrated with the team like the fans are
then he should have built a better team.
Quote-- thinks a big problem is that the players don't believe in each other
then either sign players who can get along or hire a coach who can get them to play together.
Quote-- says it's better to be a 7th/8th seed instead of being in the lottery every year
he's wrong.
Quote-- disagrees that the team consists of 2 aging stars, low-valued young guys and a lack of draft picks
he's wrong...again.
Quote-- thinks they can win a round in the playoffs
:-D
Quote-- is looking ahead to two years from now when Webber is off the cap and AI is in his final year
well, at least he has a plan.
Quote-- says at least they aren't like the Knicks, who keep adding payroll but never have a chance to win
Quote
he's right...they refuse to add more payroll and never have a chance to win. that is different than the knicks.
king, as usual, proves he's a moron.
Jeez...nice start tonight.
17-4 Dallas right now.
44-24 now.
But but they beat the Bulls and the Bucks
Jason Terry is 5/5 on three's.
69-54 Mavs
Come on, losers. Step it up.
You expect them to start playing defense? Been smokin crack with Stillupfront?
Another blown game.
If the lousy iceholes would've started better in the first half and the second half they wouldn't have lost.
They make it close and get it to 6 but then piss it away again.
Goddammit.
You're mad? Thats like screaming at David Bell for hitting into a double play. It's what he and does, and this is what the Sixers do.
farg Dallas.
Quote from: MDS on February 27, 2006, 11:00:07 PM
You're mad? Thats like screaming at David Bell for hitting into a double play. It's what he and does, and this is what the Sixers do.
I'm Mad. get it straight.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 10:55:21 PM
Another blown game.
Dude, if they never got closer than 6 behind, it was the Mavs' game to blow. The Sixers didn't blow anything. They were expected to lose, and they did. A win would have been a definite bonus, but c'mon... don't beat yourself up over it.
^^^
beat me to it
more like another blow-out
they played a far superior team who is the hottest in the nba right now on the road...they never ever had even a miniscule chance to win...dallas at anytime could have pushed it to 30
can someone tell me again why we are rooting for the sixers to win games?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 08:02:09 AM
can someone tell me again why we are rooting for the sixers to win games?
I suppose that if you believe in miracles, you think the Sixers can get hot and win a playoff series, for whatever that's worth... which is nothing. But, hey... gooooo team!
not that they have a chance in hell of winning a series...but that would be even worse than making the playoffs...it would give the team carte blanche to go with the current roster for next year...imo they wouldnt explore trading iverson webber et al...they would call it another step forward...theyll sign willie green and do nothing else call that an important addition...plus its another year under mo and with webber and iverson meshing blah blah blah
its crucial that they implode in order to get fan fury at the highest possible levels to create change and to get in the lottery and bag rajon rondo
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 27, 2006, 11:53:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 10:55:21 PM
Another blown game.
Dude, if they never got closer than 6 behind, it was the Mavs' game to blow. The Sixers didn't blow anything. They were expected to lose, and they did. A win would have been a definite bonus, but c'mon... don't beat yourself up over it.
Agreed. Phreak you're that upset over that game? I was surprised they weren't blown out by 30.
the mavs are the better team so i'm not too upset....although the refs were god awful.
Quote from: hunt on February 28, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
although the refs were god awful.
^^ Seahawks fan ^^
any team that plays duke fan
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 28, 2006, 12:08:11 PM
Quote from: hunt on February 28, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
although the refs were god awful.
^^ Seahawks fan ^^
they lose either way but there were some bad calls...even steve mix was going off on the refs, which is rare.
mhunt is now hunt. Protect the women and children.
soon i will go by the name "diddy".
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 12:10:59 PM
any team that plays duke fan
watch the boston college, florida state and temple games. then get back to me.
Yeah, I was upset. They should've won that game. They let Dallas get off to a 10 point lead. And then they started slow again in the 2nd half. Clean that up and they win.
They probably won't beat Houston either. Texas sucks
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2006, 01:38:50 PM
They probably won't beat Houston either. Texas sucks
Yao owns.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/13985717.htm
I actually agree with this.
::) ::) ::) ::)
Wow. Yet another reason to not give a shtein about the Olympics.
Way to shove aside the guy who saved their asses in '04. Fargers.
well, they're trying to build a team so it makes sense....no bronze in '08.
iverson was by far the best player last time around...melo was a complete and utter ass yet he gets an invite...luke ridenour...wtf??
no one should be guaranteed a spot on the team but iverson not getting an invite is a disgrace...its no surprise that we never win anymore
a1 did play well last time but his style doesn't fit the international game...you need guards who can spot up & knock down 3's and can also defend the perimeter and stop dribble penetration. none of those are strengths of a1's game.
it's a smart move to mix superstars with role players, imo...plus coach k has to fill his quota of white guys.
He still deserves a spot on the team.
I'm as much of a hater as anyone but what they've done in not even inviting him is unconscienable, IMO.
things could change between now & then...injuries, guys dropping out, etc. he'll probably wind up being invited.
True enough. We're talking about two-plus years here.
Still, USA Basketball has a lot to answer for. Iverson was one guy who stood up and was accounted for when the rest of the so-called "stars" said "why bother?" If loyalty and devotion to one's national team isn't rewarded, then why would anyone of substance bother playing at all?
Bottom line: It's a raw deal that he's getting and it's also completely disrespectful not to offer one of the best players in the world an invitation to play for his country.
yeah...i can't believe they didn't invite ray allen.
That shtein is a joke. AI and Duncan were the only two who gave a shtein.
I hope that they get into a bind and they ask AI and he tells them to go farg themselves.
Duncan said he didn't want to. But not having AI is a joke.
Same goes for Ray Allen (as mentioned). Him and Michael Redd are the two best pure shooters in the NBA. How both of them aren't on the team is a joke. Chris Paul? Luke Ridnour? Does Coach K need to put non-elite guys on the team to inflate his ego some more?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2006, 09:09:26 AM
I hope that they get into a bind and they ask AI and he tells them to go farg themselves.
That would be one time I couldn't fault him for having a bad attitude one bit.
Coach K is putting a TEAM together rather than a groupd of stars. My money is on them outperforming the last couple of Olympic teams.
hater :boo
Coach K is putting a TEAM together rather than a groupd of stars
then carmelo anthony shouldnt be there
spin it how you want there is no legitimate reason that iverson should not have at least gotten an invite
Whatever, they'll be a better team for it.
hopefully he can use this as some sort of motivation starting tonight.
and hopefully coach mo won't bench iguodala for the final 19 minutes of the game like he did on monday.
i know some of you will be very disappointed but it looks like the bulls made tim thomas' agent agree to go to a west coast team or else they won't release him. right now it looks like the suns.
don't take this news too hard.
Quote from: MDS on March 01, 2006, 10:59:03 AM
Duncan said he didn't want to. But not having AI is a joke.
Same goes for Ray Allen (as mentioned). Him and Michael Redd are the two best pure shooters in the NBA. How both of them aren't on the team is a joke. Chris Paul? Luke Ridnour? Does Coach K need to put non-elite guys on the team to inflate his ego some more?
Ray Allen has repeatedly said he won't play.
Ridnour is on the team because he's white.
Quote from: hunt on March 01, 2006, 12:45:20 PM
i know some of you will be very disappointed but it looks like the bulls made tim thomas' agent agree to go to a west coast team or else they won't release him. right now it looks like the suns.
don't take this news too hard.
I thought he was the key, man. The KEY!
Quote from: Eagles76ersFan on March 01, 2006, 01:08:10 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 01, 2006, 10:59:03 AM
Duncan said he didn't want to. But not having AI is a joke.
Same goes for Ray Allen (as mentioned). Him and Michael Redd are the two best pure shooters in the NBA. How both of them aren't on the team is a joke. Chris Paul? Luke Ridnour? Does Coach K need to put non-elite guys on the team to inflate his ego some more?
Ray Allen has repeatedly said he won't play.
Ridnour is on the team because he's white.
oh, didnt know he was a douche. id rather have redick than ridnour. at least jj will give me someone to hate besides coach k.
i think today is the last day for the sixers to sign willie green if he's going to be eligible for the playoffs.
no playoffs
rajon rondo
The next 3 Sixers game are national TV. Good call to whoever made that choice.
I would think Grey's Anatomy reruns could get twice the market share of ANY nationally-televised NBA game.
Quote from: MDS on March 01, 2006, 03:05:10 PM
The next 3 Sixers game are national TV. Good call to whoever made that choice.
Perfect, new episode of LOST is on tonight. Great excuse to miss the first half.
there's also a Flyers game on at 7:30
hockey sucks
interesting
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2006, 04:03:55 PM
hockey sucks
What about that super-fly butter joint you copped wit da mad cheddar on eBay, holmes?
looks like ai just iced it. 106-101. 21.5 left.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on March 01, 2006, 11:34:10 PM
looks like ai just iced it. 106-101. 21.5 left.
That's game!
AI was sick tonight.
Weberson took 50 for the 79 shots. I WANT TEAM BASKETBALL, DAMNIT.
Quote from: MDS on March 01, 2006, 11:36:54 PM
Weberson took 50 for the 79 shots. I WANT TEAM BASKETBALL, DAMNIT.
:-D
That Yao guy is a difference maker, eh? At least he speaks more English than just "Can I write a check?" now...
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 01, 2006, 11:42:22 PM
That Yao guy is a difference maker, eh? At least he speaks more English than just "Can I write a check?" now...
if that's the case, he already speaks more english then jackie chan.
What's the difference when they can't see anything?
(did that cross the line?)
QuoteDikembe Mutombo got a technical foul early in the second quarter after blocking Iverson's shot and punctuating it with his infamous finger wagging as Iverson sprawled on the floor.
I thought Mutombo was dead...??? that is incredibly accurate.
why does the team we need to win (flyers) keep losing and the team we need to lose (sixers) keep winning
classic 215
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 02, 2006, 07:53:52 AM
QuoteDikembe Mutombo got a technical foul early in the second quarter after blocking Iverson's shot and punctuating it with his infamous finger wagging as Iverson sprawled on the floor.
I thought Mutombo was dead...??? that is incredibly accurate.
and it's pretty cool to brag when you blocked someone's shot a foot and a half smaller than you. that's like me swatting a 5th grader and then talking trash. which i would totally do.
the worst part is that deke got called for a foul on the play...it wasn't even a blocked shot.
Quote from: hunt on March 02, 2006, 01:55:11 PM
the worst part is that deke got called for a foul on the play...it wasn't even a blocked shot.
You can't expect him to have good enough vision or awareness to tell the difference.
He's gotta be at least 45 years old by now.
AI is going to drop 50 tonight. He's got 34 with 3:30 to go in the 3rd.
But of course the defense is lacking again. And so is the rebounding.
CWebb is playing great too. Early on he was the focal point of the offense and the ball was going through him and they were scoring well. Then Mo took him out and they went into a funk.
oh my!
AI just broke Antonio Daniels' ankles!
That'll be on SportsCenter. Pretty tight.
AI is going over 60 tonight, book it. C Webb is playing like he is ten years younger. Korver is teh suk.
Still dont play defense
It's an ongoing trend in Philly now I guess. :-\
Man, CWebb is on fire tonight too! Just drove the lane and got the And 1. :yay
Sixers win!
AI drops 47 and 12 dimes.
CWebb drops 30.
AI was his normal self, Webb however, was out of his mind tonight. Hope he can keep it up. Ollie played great, Iguodala started off looking real good, but kind of disappeared into the fourth. 5-1 since the All-Star game. :yay
webber better do that...because he gives up twice as much on the defensive end
Iguodala started off looking real good, but kind of disappeared into the fourth
he disappeared before the 4th....looked great early...it will never happen i know but i wish webber would disappear and the team could be led by iverson and iggy...theyd lose a ton of games but it would be fun and the torch could be passed from ai to ai deux
they're gonna screw up a chance at a decent draft pick if they keep this up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2006, 09:31:00 PM
oh my!
AI just broke Antonio Daniels' ankles!
twice. that was sick.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 04, 2006, 09:31:46 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 03, 2006, 09:31:00 PM
oh my!
AI just broke Antonio Daniels' ankles!
twice. that was sick.
heck yeah. the entire 76ers bench was on the court going nuts. ha.
if they finish 6th or better, they actually have a decent chance to win in the 1st round. :paranoid
call me retarded but i think we can beat any of the teams in the east besides the heat or the pistons in a playoff matchup.
that's why i said 6th or better...the 7 & 8 seeds will play miami & detroit.
and you're retarded.
they actually could still win the division and have home court in the 1st round
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 04, 2006, 10:44:23 AM
they actually could still win the division and have home court in the 1st round
Why do this to yourself? Your time is much better spent carving small ravines in your arms and legs with a rusty, old razorblade. The Sixers will get back to sucking.
oh don't worry, i have no illusions of grandeur for this team. i was merely stating a fact due to their division being awful.
delusions are similar to illusions, I guess
i was joking around?
Nice try.
1PM vs Indiana on ABC
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 05, 2006, 12:50:45 PM
1PM vs Indiana on ABC
Glad I didn't watch that one. They did a great job allowing Jackson in for the easy game-winning layup.
Go team.
guess who took the last shot...again?
unbelievable. he should not be in the game in the last minute. and great defense by korver, giving up a friggen layup with less than 5 seconds left.
webber was awful today...but mo blew the game on the last 2 posessions.
why the hell is korver in the game on D when you're trying to preserve a 1 point lead?...and why is a1 taking the ball out instead of getting the last shot with 3 seconds left?
2 bonehead coaching moves by mo. :boo
Quote from: phattymatty on March 05, 2006, 03:40:35 PM
guess who took the last shot...again?
stupid call by mo having iverson inbound the ball....3 seconds isn't enough time for him to get the ball back & c-webb was forced to jack up a long jumper.
three seconds is more than enough time to get the ball back to iverson...but i agree you dont have iverson throw it in...and you dont inbound it to webber who is a choking dog when the game is on the line...like matty said he should not even be in the game...but yet hes not only in there hes getting the ball in his hands
as for korver check the links...this is like the tenth time its happened this year...hunt is rgiht on about mo...even so today was extra pathetic in the way korver gave up the bucket...he put his man in between himself and the basket...almost like they were up 3....absolutely mind boggling
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16714.msg342647#msg342647
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17199.msg372590#msg372590
AI should've shot it on next to last possession. He gave it up too late to CWebb and they had a 24sec violation.
Korver shouldn't have been in here. Hello, Ollie?!?
AI = no inbounds. But they still had time to get it to him but whoever was on AI cut off the passing lane from CWebb so he had no choice but to shoot it.
Yet another blown game. Bitches.
Why was AI guarding the inbound passer with 5 seconds left? :boom
Quote from: MURP on March 04, 2006, 10:21:46 AM
heck yeah. the entire 76ers bench was on the court going nuts. ha.
Did you actually type, 'heck yeah'? What the farg?
Aw, fiddlesticks!
MURP's getting all sissified... first he starts using 'lol' and lots of exclamation points, then he uses the phrase, 'heck yeah.'
Soft.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 08:59:31 AM
MURP's getting all sissified... first he starts using 'lol' and lots of exclamation points, then he uses the phrase, 'heck yeah.'
Soft.
coming from the dog sitter that is hilarious.
Is that the best you can do? That I had my neighbor's dog in my house for a week? Weak.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 09:33:29 AM
Is that the best you can do? That I had my neighbor's dog in my house for a week? Weak.
I dont have to do anything. You clearly cant handle someone challenging your point about Vernon Davis and now you are coming after me with nonsense on other threads. Grow up.
what about veedee?
QuoteI dont have to do anything. You clearly cant handle someone challenging your point about Vernon Davis and now you are coming after me with nonsense on other threads. Grow up.
Dude, what are you getting so worked up about? Take a smoke break and chill the farg out.
let's all just calm down, put on some Sarah Mclaughlin, watch the View and talk about our issues.
i'll put on the tea.
I'm not exactly sure what I did to get under MURP's skin, but shtein, I wish I could do that to anyone I choose. Rather entertaining.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 09:46:20 AM
I'm not exactly sure what I did to get under MURP's skin, but shtein, I wish I could do that to anyone I choose. Rather entertaining.
Hey, if thats how it is going to be.
I've got $5 on MURP. He seems crazy enough to kill rjs.
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2006, 12:16:11 PM
I've got $5 on MURP. He seems crazy enough to kill rjs.
That, and its close to St. Patty's day.
it's nice to be on the outside of a retarded internet argument for a change.
But rjs is reported to have crazy retard strength when he's drunk and high... which is pretty much any time he's not at work, and occasionally even when he is.
Regardless, it's a fight I'd pay a solid $3.50 to see.
This has degerated nicely. At least we aren't talking about the Sixers.
Ha.
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1167593572985360799&q=Catfight)
(http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/a/a8/180px-Grammartime.jpg)
I got distracted by PhaninDC's avatar again:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/Rio1.gif)
I like to make up words and force you guys to guess what I'm trying to say. Hours of fun!
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 03:31:44 PM
I like to make up words and force you guys to guess what I'm trying to say. Hours of fun!
ok, sun mo.
what did I do?
oh yeah, illusions of grandeur
Shaq wants AI on the Olympic team (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5387560)
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 07, 2006, 12:28:00 PM
But rjs is reported to have crazy retard strength when he's drunk and high... which is pretty much any time he's not at work, and occasionally even when he is.
Regardless, it's a fight I'd pay a solid $3.50 tree fitty to see.
Lern 2 talk rite.
lolo!!!!!11!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2006, 08:11:14 PM
Lern 2 talk rite.
Wow, still in 1Q, and we're really stacking up the "worst post of the year" nominees.
Don't hate me because I'm winning.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/basketball/14044623.htm
billy king confirmed interest in bringing back george lynch...even though he's 35 and hasn't played in a year.
scotty brooks was unavailable for comment.
too bad jeff ruland is a college coach now, he'd fit in great.
sweet. maybe they'll bring back Billy Owens too.
They should just bring Geiger back, I'm pretty sure he's still under contract too.
geiger is to busy being a futuristic priest to play basketball anymore
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 08, 2006, 12:35:55 PM
They should just bring Geiger back, I'm pretty sure he's still under contract too.
Well done, sir.
QuoteSPECIAL MIDWEEK EDITION: On the ball with C-Webb
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
He expects the Philadelphia 76ers to overtake the New Jersey Nets and win the Atlantic Division.
He expects to play four or five more years on that creaky knee.
He expects your skepticism about the knee and his relationship with Allen Iverson.
In return, Chris Webber simply expects you to hear him out as he addresses all of the above and more. Averaging 19.8 points and 9.8 boards -- but only 3.3 assists -- for a team that was one game under .500 when it got him and which presently sits at 30-29, Webber stopped for a brief chat in Dallas recently, just days after commemorating the one-year anniversary of his trade from Sacramento to the Sixers.
The highlights:
Webber on the perception he and Iverson don't mesh well:
"I heard that more in the beginning of the year, but I don't pay any attention to it. I don't think people understand our relationship. I live five houses away from Allen. I still respect the fact the he brought me here. He knows that I want the ball in my hands -- but not when he has it. There's enough to go around.
"But when he doesn't have the ball, I feel I should have it, because even if I'm not feeling up to it, I can get Kyle [Korver] good shots or other guys good shots. I just want to be able to get the most out of my passing. I'm not going to lead the league in scoring. I've told Allen I want him to average more than he is now.
"When I got here, Kyle told me that he wanted to play like Peja [Stojakovic did with Webber in Sacramento]. Me, too! I just want to bring my knowledge and be able to use it, that's all. Thirteen years of playing against everybody from Hakeem [Olajuwon] to Moses Malone to now, I think I can bring a unique perspective and Allen knows this. We talk about it all the time. It's not like it's a secret."
On the source of his well-documented frustration this season:
"The thing that bothers me is that I come from winning. Losing is what frustrates me. Being on the East Coast and losing, where it's not as good as the [Western Conference], that frustrates me. When I want to be the distributor sometimes and I don't get the ball, that frustrates me. But playing with a guy like Allen? Like I said, I don't think people understand our relationship."
On the Sixers exploring the possibility of trading Iverson:
"When all the [trade] rumors were going around [last month], I was saying, 'Don't leave me by myself here without him.' I don't know if he was really worried, but I do know he doesn't want to go."
On what the Sixers need to shake their up-and-down ways:
"I think anything can happen in the playoffs. But I've got to give guys like Andre [Iguodala] a lot of credit, and John Salmons, because they've been thrown into the fire without a veteran [swingman] to show them the ropes and all the shortcuts. A guy that has been in the wars and has been in that situation, so they've made their mistakes. It's a lot of trial by error right now. And I'm not putting the onus on them, but I think that's what we're finding and defining.
On the state of his surgically repaired left knee at 33:
"Actually, truthfully, my body feels wonderful . . . to be able to rebound this year and to be able to jump off one leg. I can't wait until this summer. This is the first year fully healed, and then in the summer I can take that workout to a different level. I know it's just talk and you have to show it, but I feel really good. I'm getting better and I can go four more years, five more years -- strong. I know I was really athletic at one time, but I can still get to the hole, still dunk, still do things."
On his future alongside AI:
"For me and him, we look at this as an opportunity to get in there and win. He's very popular, but we both feel the same way -- not everybody wants him and I definitely feel the same way. We try not to preach it because we don't want to make a big story out of this until we win a championship, but me and him hang out so much it's ridiculous. I look at him like my little brother and I've got to protect him. I don't want to make this a tear-jerker, but that's my dawg."
I just can't be as optimistic as Chris is.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 04:13:56 PM
I just can't be as optimistic as Chris is.
could you for $20 mill per year?
korver will never be peja.
Quote from: hunt on March 08, 2006, 05:31:19 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 04:13:56 PM
I just can't be as optimistic as Chris is.
could you for $20 mill per year?
Good point. But I'm pretty sure Webber's contract stipulates that the GM gets fellatio early and often.
sixers lead celtics by 7 with 6 minutes left...some guy has missed 18 of his 25 shot attempts. both teams are shooting around 40% but sixers are getting to the line.
yay!
more shots for matt barnes. team basketball!!
And they are GOING TO BLOW ANOTHER GODDAMN GAME IN THE FINAL MINUTES. >:( >:(
Motherfarging Celtics 8-0 run. Why in the farg do they leave Pierce wide open?
Bullshtein. Goddamn losers
hah! they blew the lead...down 3 with around 20 seconds left.
barnes is 2-2 from the field...he should definitely shoot more than the guy who has missed 21 of his 31 shots so far.
pretty pathetic, well not really considering the sixers arent any good to begin with
yeah...they really, really blow.
Johnny Salmons couldn't hit his old lady tonight.
What a pack of gutless losers.
Way to blow another one, iceholes.
why are you mad? they totally blow. dont be fooled by the little run over chicago and dc. the sixers suck.
I still get pissed. They should've won. Its frustrating.
Mo's excuse on not bringing Webber back in? He liked who was out there the whole quarter and thought it was too late to bring Chris back in. :boom
And Salmons blows another game. :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
and one more :boom for FF
Mo's an idiot
Salmons sucks
Webber has one good knee and now is gonna be a little bitch cause he wasnt in at the end
AI would probably send his boy to kill Mo if he took him out at the end of a game
go sixers.
Would AI's boy run Mo down with the infamous silver Bentley?
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 11:12:38 PM
and one more :boom for FF
In this case, I just find it amusing that you and Phreak continue to actually care about these losers.
:) ;) :D ;D :P
Wanna know how bad the Magic are?
I got an e-mail from them yesterday with a buy one/get one free ticket offer for the Cavaliers game tomorrow night. If their pimping tickets for LeBron James, they must be in dire straits.
:-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 11:12:38 PM
Mo's excuse on not bringing Webber back in? He liked who was out there the whole quarter and thought it was too late to bring Chris back in. :boom
i didn't see the game last night but that seems like a good move by mo to me.
this could be the beginning of the collapse this team needs to get that lottery pick!
less webber def = a good thing
the sixers are a .500 team people get used to it...they dont suck they dont blow they arent horrible...they are .500
the only hope now is for iverson to get hurt and have them sink hard so they can get rajon
okay...i'm getting the impression you're a big rondo fan. how do you think he would fit playing alongside a1? isn't he a tiny pg with a questionable outside shot?
i'm sure you've seen more of him than i have...what's his story?
his outside shot does need work but again hes a pg that shouldnt be a concern right now...he has an unbelivable handle and should be able to get to the basket on a consistent basis...hes not small though he is skinny...hes 6-2/6-3 and probably weighs 175 ish??
he reminds me a lot of tony parker but much quicker with the ball
i just checked the uk site & they list him at 6'1 171 lbs.
anyway, sounds like his game is similar to a1's....i don't think having 2 small,penetrating guards would work but i'm all for drafting rondo if it means a1 is traded.
hes at least 6-2...but i dont even care about his height
ai has no bearing on who they draft...this is for two three four years down the road...who gives a crap if they have two small guards next year...you want them to be as bad as possible for the next couple years to get higher draft picks...thats the only way to imporve the team until webber and ai's contracts expire
who's that center on Georgetown, from the very little that i saw last night, he looks like he can play a little bit.
roy hibbert, dude is tall, like 7-2 i think, but he still needs to get stronger. he's a little uncoordinated still too. but he's gonna be good, he's only a sophomore.
plus he only has 4 points yesterday. i've been to a bunch of g'town games this year and i've seen him get manhandled by guys much smaller than him. the tall whitey from pitt schooled him every time down the court. but he'll get better, just like all the georgetown centers do.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 09, 2006, 10:58:44 AMplus he only has 4 points yesterday.
that's hilarious, because i saw all 4 points and he made a good impression on me.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 09, 2006, 11:04:12 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on March 09, 2006, 10:58:44 AMplus he only has 4 points yesterday.
that's hilarious, because i saw all 4 points and he made a good impression on me.
okay, billy king.
they could always go with a 3 guard lineup of a1, rondo, & louis williams.
they could always go with a 3 guard lineup of a1, rondo, & louis williams
IN
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 09, 2006, 08:12:18 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 11:12:38 PM
and one more :boom for FF
In this case, I just find it amusing that you and Phreak continue to actually care about these losers.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little farged up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fargin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
funny... lookin'!
OH!
try the veal....
Ozolinsh to the Rangers, Witt to the Predators
i can't wait to watch tonight's game...................right after survivor ends.
Speaking of Survivor, have you ever seen Jenna's porn movie?
That bitch could suck the paint off a radio flyer wagon.
yep...she took it on the chin like a real pro. :yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 09, 2006, 08:03:37 PM
Speaking of Survivor, have you ever seen Jenna's porn movie?
That bitch could suck the paint off a radio flyer wagon.
She's not hot. I've met a lot of not hot girls that could play chess like a pornstar.
That pass from CWEbb to AI2 was sweet. He put spin on it to curve it around a defender and hit Iggy in stride.
They're up by 14. Sure they'll piss it away again though.
down to 6 :-D
Tied.
Den is on a 22-8 run.
I cry. :'(
all tied up.
all i can do is laugh.
I don't know how you people sit through this shtein! You could just feel it in the air that the Nuggets would be back in this in the fourth. This team is painful to watch. I am so glad I missed sunday's game.
5:20 PM in Hawaii, it's Miller time.
About time Korver hit a shot.
Still losing. 85-82 >:(
korver, salmons, barnes? there arent any other options? king is an idiot.
Quote from: MDS on March 09, 2006, 10:26:55 PM
korver, salmons, barnes? there arent any other options? king is an idiot.
Team basketball. Just listen to the knowledgable radio people and they'll tell you.
how appropriate that this game is sponsored by "Ice Age 2 - The Meltdown".
korver is like 1-11 for 3, barnes couldnt put the ball in paris hiltons vadge, igoudala doesnt get the ball
ITS A MESS
sixers lack of courage to take the ball to the rim, reminds me of.................................
(http://www.digital-sledgehammer.com/superchicken/chicken.gif)
SUPER CHICKEN
what in the farg was that???????????????????
oh my lord do they blow
Why aren't these fans booing their asses off? This team deserves to be barred from the arena. pathetic.
Sixers lose. Under .500 now. Korver with a missed layup attempt to tie the game. Also went 1-12 from beyond the arc.
Dreadful.
Each night one of the role players sucks it up and causes them to lose.
Korver tonight - Salmons last night.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. :boom
not sure why theres a point. i hope they miss the playoffs, we could use a better draft pick and the playoffs are a joke considering were gonna play detroit or miami.
Why aren't these fans booing their asses off?
how can you boo a .500 team?...they are what they are....add in the fact that most of them want the sixers to lose and you got an apathetic 11k showing up every night
Interesting Webber video clip on why they choke in the 4th quarter (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/sixers/030906-webber.wmv)
Notice the sudden reaction of "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh crap...I'm in trouble for saying that" :-D
has there ever been anyone in EVER that has done less than webber and tried to secretly blame it on others.....its always someone elses fault with him
that choke artist talking about others in crunch time is straight hilarity
what i noticed is chrissy almost in tears while he talked....what a bitch
slow down, stalker. c-webb seems to be the only guy on the team who understands the game.
webber is 100% correct with his comments...constantly going 1 on 1 and taking quick shots when you have a lead is retarded.
right or not hes the biggest late game dog ever...him talking that ish is laughably hypocritical
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2006, 11:29:49 PM
Why aren't these fans booing their asses off?
how can you boo a .500 team?...they are what they are....add in the fact that most of them want the sixes to lose and you got an apathetic 11k showing up every night
I think a team that yaks in the final 10 minutes three games in a row deserves to be ridiculed. Absolute disgrace. I do realize they are what they are - which ain't much but they had these games. The way the Nets are playing right now the Sixers could have built some confidence and maybe, just maybe played their way out of the #8 or #7 seed.
Just venting as two hours after the Sixers debacle, U of Hawaii blew it last night in the WAC tourney losing to New Mexico St. 59-58. Reggie Theus is coaching NMSU.
I think a team that yaks in the final 10 minutes three games in a row deserves to be ridiculed. Absolute disgrace.
i totally agree and id boo the hell out of them if the chance arisen...im just saying in general not too many people care right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2006, 03:42:31 PM
I think a team that yaks in the final 10 minutes three games in a row deserves to be ridiculed. Absolute disgrace.
i totally agree and id boo the hell out of them if the chance arisen...im just saying in general not too many people care right now
You're right about the apathy thing. When the final buzzer sounded it was like everyone in the arena was just excused from a PTA meeting at their local elementary school and couldn't wait to get home.
Sixers are on tape delay today.
They play at 4pm and you can listen on the radio.
But you can't watch it until 6pm because of the NCAA selection show. No basketball can be broadcast opposite the selection show.
The selection show is on at 6, so nothing can be broadcast against normal college basketball. Not that anyone would watch this garbage team.
Ah, I see. Either way...having your hometown team on tape dealy for college BB = ghey. zesty sixers or not.
shows how popular they are.
Actually it's because ABC has Sonics/Lakers....can't have local broadcasts opposite national....
thanks for reading the inqy before me. i had that conversation first thing up watching planes trains and automobiles on tbs.
AI sprained his ankle and Webber saves the day. Sixers win by 3. It's on UPN57 right now if you want to watch it...
a spoiler alert message wouldve been helpful, ed. you jerk.
just kidding i really dont care, sixers blow.
I followed it on Yahoo, barely.
is iverson ok?
No, I heard he got his eyeball poked out. zLOL!!1!!1
i was having fun with that in the Villanova thread on EMB 10 minutes after it happened, good times.
awesome.. so their back at .500, right? awesome.
that bitchmade punk a1 turned an ankle...wah!
good thing c-webb was around to save the day.
i know nobody really cares about this team....but have you noticed that dalembert isn't starting & has only been playing around 16 minutes/game since coming back from injury. word is, he's healthy but he's on mo's doghouse.
another brilliant long-term signing by billy king. :yay
good thing we didnt trade steven hunter :-D
How come Shavlik Randolf is only playin 3 or 4 min a game. This dude is all over the court when he's in. I don't care if he doesn't score. He gives it all. :boom
AI out 7-10 days, will probably miss the west coast trip
TEAM BASKETBALL, BABY!
I can't wait for them to win all 3 and then the haters will bust out the "See...he didn't play and they won." nonsense
I can't wait for them to win all 3 and then the haters will bust out the "See...he didn't play and they won."
you dont have anything to worry about...they wouldnt win all three with iverson
they'll lose but they'll be more enjoyable to watch.
and i love how people make fun of team basketball like it's a bad thing. :-D
if youre gonna lose anyway....id much rather watch iverson who is arguably the most exciting player in the league than watch team basketball
theres a reason why the sixers have been at or near the top of the league in road attendance for the better part of last decade...because hes amazing to see
Yay!!
Another game where they blow it in the motherfarging 4th quarter. >:( >:( >:(
Toronto went on a 16-0 run to take a 2pt lead.
Now Toronto is UP by 16.
Farging ridiculous.
Team ball! Oh wait.
haha
Quote from: MDS on March 14, 2006, 09:37:31 PM
haha
You took the words right out of my mouth "Ha, ha, ha ha ha, farg a duck!"
they'll lose but they'll be more enjoyable to watch
enjoyable like some open nostril sores
toronto???
the first 3 quarters were okay to watch.
they should try passing less...that might work.
Had a chance to tie it with 3.9 seconds left but Iggy threw it to the wrong team. Sixers lose.
Someone should blow up the team bus so we don't have to even see the box scores in the paper
And once again...
big lead (15 points) = meltdown in the 4th qrtr.
Excellent.
lost 5 of 6...collapse time!
YES!!
losing iverson to injury is just what the doctor ordered....lottery here we come
Is the NBA season still going on?
it's not the middle of June, so yeah.
it's tough to lose ground in the sucky east:
http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Cnf.html
all the teams in the 3-10 positions went either 4-6 or 5-5 in their last 10 games...getting that lottery pick won't be easy.
its not just a lottery pick...he goes by the name rajon rondo
Mardy Collins > Rajon Rando
mardy collins has a ymca caliber handle...he couldnt dream of playing the point in the league...and he cant shoot a lick...i see the turkish pro league in his near future
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2006, 11:58:58 AM
mardy collins has a ymca caliber handle...he couldnt dream of playing the point in the league...and he cant shoot a lick...i see the turkish pro league in his near future
so he might be teammates with gerry mcnamara.
they lost again...but miami will crush the bulls today so the sixers won't lose any ground in the playoff standings.
oh well.
Another loss, this time to Golden State.
:-D
6.5 games behind NJ...but they still have that #8 seed
I was watching the NBA show on ESPN and they listed the Magic as one of the playoff contenders on the bubble.
:-D
That's farged up.
Why is the East so bad that this group of losers are still good enough to get the 8 seed? I want Rudy Gay or Adam Morrison. Keep losing, damnit.
I'm not really on the Rudy Gay bandwagon. For as talented as he is, he never seems to want the ball in his hands when it matters. Marcus Williams is the reason UCONN is still in the tournament. I'd take Morrison though. :yay
i'm not sure why but i watched a good portion of today's game...john salmons is awful. i pray that he's not on the team next season. and webber looked like he was 87 years old today...cheeks made a huge mistake by playing him 40 min per game all season long...i expect him to struggle big time the rest of the way. the guy should be playing no more than 30-32 min per game.
oh...and the hunter signing is looking a hell of a lot better than the dalembert signing.
Gay doesn't need the ball when that ballhog Iverson is on the team
you only like him cuz his name is gay.
and morrison would be a horrible fit on this team...he's another gunner who doesn't play D.
as long as they play more defense than kyle korver, and can do more than occasionally hit 3's, then ill take em
okay...that's a good point. :-D
(http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/OAS10803200040.jpg)
iverson is expected back tonight against the hawks.
yay!
not a good thing...they actually have a 50/50 chance of winning now...die iverson
Quote from: hunt on March 22, 2006, 09:12:55 AM
iverson is expected back tonight against the hawks.
yay!
0-4 without AI.
Team basketball rules.
they def would've gone 4-0 if they passed less.
anyway, the good news is...there are only 16 games left in the regular season so it's almost over.
team basketball is passing it thru webber four times then turnover or missed shot
Damnit. Less shots for Johnny Nogame.
cheeks said he's leaning towards starting ollie again now that a1 is back...so salmons & korver go back to the bench.
more ollie = more wins
An easy win over the Hawks tonight
Iverson still played 42 minutes. Cheeks is so smart.
Korver 6-7 from 3 so he's done for the week.
amazing how many more open look korver gets when iverson plays...and every other player for that matter...iverson was brilliant last night...12 dimes
team ball babeeeeee!!!
but 12 isnt enough for a scorer....he is no nash. he should have gotten 12 more assists.
i love it
if only a1 would pass like that every game.
oh well.
kyle korver cant shoot like that every game.
that's because he sucks.
a1 can pass like that every game if he wants to...problem is, he rarely wants to...cuz he's a chucker.
who is he supposed to pass to? his team sucks.
i'm not wasting my time to explain the game of basketball to you again...just enjoy a1's last 19 games as a sixer.
i guess i dont understand basketball either but i understand this:
0-4 without iverson
20 point win with iverson
iverson berry berry goooood
all that needs to be said is this:
Iverson = top 5 scorer of all time, best for his size
Iverson = great 2 guard, if he was 4" taller, he could've been a top 5 player all time
Iverson = terrible point guard
Iverson = no defense
Quote from: hunt on March 23, 2006, 12:17:03 PM
i'm not wasting my time to explain the game of basketball to you again...just enjoy a1's last 19 games as a sixer.
i dont care if they trade him, i just dont want it to be for some guy with a longer deal. they are 2 years away from being out of cap hell. if we just sit tight and wait for that, we can be good in 3 or 4 years. that is, of course, if billy king dies and we get a competent gm.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 12:23:38 PM
i guess i dont understand basketball either but i understand this:
0-4 without iverson
20 point win with iverson
iverson berry berry goooood
if you're celebrating a1's greatness because of one win over the hawks, you're right...you don't understand basketball.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 23, 2006, 12:25:27 PM
all that needs to be said is this:
Iverson = top 5 scorer of all time, best for his size
Iverson = great 2 guard, if he was 4" taller, he could've been a top 5 player all time
Iverson = terrible point guard
Iverson = no defense
i'd agree with most of that...he's a great individual offensive player. unfortunately, that doesn't always translate into wins.
if you're celebrating a1's greatness because of one win over the hawks, you're right...you don't understand basketball.
no im celebrating your cluelessness on team basketball...its great stuff
ive known the team is worthless with or without iverson since last summer
you're quite the seer...everybody else had this team pegged as championship contenders.
but they did beat the hawks yesterday...so they could be on thier way. especially now that a1 & his history of leading teams to championships is back.
championship contenders? i figured at best they could be good enough to give the pistons or heat a series. maybe win the crappy atlantic. thats it. no one thought they were gonna win the title.
at least with iverson they are watchable...that guy gets more amazing by the day...
btw sixers signed willie green
that's good. wasn't the thing last year that O'Brien didn't want to play Green and AI in the same backcourt, but when he finally did, they played pretty well together.
it's been shown that AI can't play point, so they need to go back to AI at the 2 with a big, defensive minded point guard, maybe Willie can be that guy.
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2006, 12:46:29 PM
championship contenders? i figured at best they could be good enough to give the pistons or heat a series. maybe win the crappy atlantic. thats it. no one thought they were gonna win the title.
sarcasm, dude.
willie won't give them anything this season after being out so long....in a perfect world, he'd develop pg skills & improve his jump shot. as is stands, he's another slashing guard with a not-so-great jumper...same as salmons but a couple inches shorter.
it's been shown that AI can't play point, so they need to go back to AI at the 2 with a big, defensive minded point guard, maybe Willie can be that guy.
cept willie is a small scorer type...i see him as instant offense off the bench when and if he gets back to 100%
QuotePosted on Thu, Mar. 23, 2006
Sixers re-sign Willie Green
ASSOCIATED PRESS
PHILADELPHIA - Willie Green re-signed with the Philadelphia 76ers today, nearly seven months after the guard agreed to terms before injuring his knee.
Green, who averaged 7.7 points playing sporadically under former coach Jim O'Brien last season, is expected to get additional playing time under Maurice Cheeks.
He'll add backcourt depth for the 76ers, who had been starting journeyman Kevin Ollie alongside Allen Iverson. Green thrived as a sub whenever Iverson was injured last season, including 32 points against Washington.
Green originally agreed to a six-year deal last summer, then was hurt in a pickup game before he signed the contract. Green had knee surgery in August and has been rehabilitating since, occasionally working out with the 76ers.
The 6-foot-4 guard averaged 7.3 points in 110 career games. He was drafted in the second round in 2003 by Seattle and acquired by Philadelphia in a draft-night trade.
QuoteThe 76ers said today that they have waived veteran forward Jamal Mashburn. who then announced his retirement from the NBA. The Sixers acquired Mashburn from the New Orleans Hornets on Feb. 24, 2005 along with Rodney Rogers in exchange for Glenn Robinson. However, Mashburn never played a minute for the Sixers because of a right knee injury that limited him to 19 games in the 2003-04 season, the last season he played in the NBA. Mashburn, 33, last saw action in an NBA game on March, 7, 2004. As a result, the Sixers were able to waive him today and get his $10 million salary off the salary cap. Because Mashburn has spent the entire season on the inactive list, the Sixers are only responsible to pay 20 percent of his salary, with insurance paying the other 80 percent. In a statement released by the Sixers, Mashburn said, "I've had a long career in the NBA and have enjoyed my experience. I look forward to retirement life. It doesn't mean I am not going to stay busy but it's time to move on and accomplish some of the other goals that I have set for myself. It's been a great time. I've learned a lot but now it's time to move on." The 6-foot-8 Mashburn played 11 seasons in the NBA. Following his junior season at Kentucky, he was drafted in the first round of the 1993 draft (No. 4 overall) by the Dallas Mavericks. He played for 3 1/2 seasons with the Mavericks before being traded to the Miami Heat in February 1997. Mashburn was traded by Miami after the 1999-2000 season to the Charlotte Hornets. He played four seasons with the Hornets, who moved to New Orleans Hornets before the start of the 2002-03 season. In his career, Mashburn averaged 19.1 points, 5.4 rebounds and 4.0 assists in 611 games. He played in his only NBA All-Star game in 2003, and was third team All-NBA at the end of the season.
from Joe Juliano at philly.com
Good news, bout time he stopped Geigering us.
He Geigered the Hornets, we had were stuck with him because Billy King is an idiot.
a1 was more amazing than usual last night....yeah!
actually ai knew his shot was way off last night and tried to get everyone involved...10 dimes and would have had 15 if anyone on that team could shoot
he made 4 shots & missed 15...that's 21%. the rest of the team shot 44%. but it was his teammates' fault again...i know.
but whatever...the bulls won so they're within 2.5 games of the 8th spot. hopefully, a1's teammates will keep screwing up.
he made 4 shots & missed 15...that's 21%. the rest of the team shot 44%.
thought i mentioned that ai's shot was off last night but i guess i didnt
anyway the difference is that iverson is so good that if his shot isnt falling...he can change his game and get double digit assists without even blinking...whereas when the rest of the teams shot is off (when is it not) like last night they cant do anything else to help the team
nice to see a1 has his own personal dave spadaro.
oh yeah, when a1's shot is off he really helps the team with his ability to distribute the ball...bah! funniest thing i've read on here in weeks.
Right...AI's never allowed to have an off night. He should shoot 80% every damn game or else Hunt will drop the hammer on him for being piss poor!
no, he should pass more. to johnny salmons. so he can turn it over. or to kyle korver. so he can brick more 3's. team basketball.
The point is that there is no reason to defend AI when he has an off night and the team loses. The team is built right now so that it is almost impossible for them to win if he's playing but sucking.
That said, how many teams have enough talent that when their biggest star can buy a shot, they still win?
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 26, 2006, 11:27:10 AM
The point is that there is no reason to defend AI when he has an off night and the team loses.
thank you.
the guy shot 4-19 and igy was blaming his teammates...i've heard that broken record for years.
btw, he just pulled up & clanked a three pointer on a 1-on-4 fastbreak....pathetic.
they are getting destroyed. its all iversons fault.
Quote from: MDS on March 26, 2006, 02:52:06 PM
they are getting destroyed. its all dalemberts fault.
Yep. 1/11 from the field so far. That's bad for a guard. That's even worse for a center.
really, i dont know why people blame iverson. this team is awful. its not his fault. sure hes a ball hog, but if he passed more theyd probably lose more.
Quote from: MDS on March 26, 2006, 03:18:09 PM
really, i dont know why people blame iverson. this team is awful. its not his fault. sure hes a ball hog, but if he passed more theyd probably lose more.
yeah...he should pass even less like he did today. 9-25 shooting with 7 turnovers...a little more of that & they'd definitely win!
we get it, you have an irrational hate of Iverson, it's probably the tatoos, but mission accomplished, we understand you you hate Iverson.
hunt is an idiot. this team sucks without or without iverson hogging the ball. what the hell is the difference.
yeah...it's those darned tattoos. i can't stand them.
it has nothing to do with his selfish play & the way his groupies constantly blame everyone else for his inability to make teammates better.
this team with iverson as the focal point sucks balls, in case you morons haven't noticed...but it's those tats that really get me steamed.
Why does HE have to make his teammates better? He can't do anything for them. Him just being out there opens up the court for the others - its on them to make the shots and rebound the ball and play defense and everything else.
So you say you hate AI because the team sucks? Not very solid logic, IMO.
How about hating the personnel staff for not putting a good team around him.
theres no sense in fighting with hunt. hes an idiot.
he is the focal point of this team...the team was built around him so their winning or losing depends largely on him. when 1 guy chucks up 25-30 shots a night & everybody else barely gets the ball, you can't expect those guys to bail him out when he has a bad shooting night like he has the past 2 games.
and he can do things to make his teammates better...he can stay in front of his man on D instead of gambling for steals & forcing his teammates to help. he can get them more involved in the offense so they'll be confident enough to take/make shots when he's having an off night. he can play hard on both ends of the court and in practice to set a good example for his teammates. there's more to basketball than putting up 30 ppg.
the team is built around a gunning 6'0 SG who only cares about scoring...that's what i hate.
then hate billy king, not iverson. allen is allen.
they both need to go & i've been saying that all year.
neither is happening, give up like the rest of us
theres no sense in fighting with hunt. hes an idiot.
but whos the bigger idiot him for his retarded opinions or us for arguing with someone who doesnt know the first thing about basketball...id say us
this season was a joke before it even started...but i'm hopeful they'll do something in the offseason.
hopefully the dalembert/hunter fiasco has finally convinced sixers brass that billy king is a complete dope...the guy he signed for 6 years/ $60+ mill is backing up the guy he signed last offseason & tried to trade for 2nd round picks a couple months later. king doesn't have the balls to trade a1 but maybe his replacement will.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2006, 08:10:44 AM
theres no sense in fighting with hunt. hes an idiot.
but whos the bigger idiot him for his retarded opinions or us for arguing with someone who doesnt know the first thing about basketball...id say us
shouldn't you be listening to some rap songs so you can pick up some hip new phrases to post?
btw, you're the fanboy with your mouth around a1's johnson 24-7 even though his style of play doesn't translate into wins...just another know-nothing groupie ho.
they will beat the pistons tomorrow & screw up that lotto pick...just watch!
I'm confused here. How can two guys who are always right about everything disagree on Iverson?
rip in space and time?
The end is near, no doubt. Time to drive up the balances on my credit cards and go on a hooker spree.
easy
hunts quasi intelligent when it coems to football...or at least the eagles...unfortunately he doesnt know the first thing about basketball...living in central pa will do this to you
ignore the fact that i don't live in central pa....the rest is fairly accurate but igy left out the part about his view of the sixers being a bit blurry due to a1's balls constantly blocking his view of the tv when the games are on.
lose sixers lose
more lotto balls, please
according to my local paper, det is only giving 4 point tonight...doesn't that seem low?
do any of you degenerate gamblers follow nba point spreads?
Considering the over/under on a typical Detroit game is about 150, 4 points seems about right.
:-D
1. sixers been off since sunday
2. detroit had a tough game against dallas last night
3. the house is trying to get money thrown the sixers way
awful
not awful...lottoriffic
anyone heard the post game interview yet where webber almost starts crying
what a douche, doesn't he realize that he's never going to win anything in live outside of a high school championship?
take your money, ice your knees and shut the farg up.
funniest part of it is him going on and on puffing his chest out saying hes not gonna be so nice anymore and then dropping iverson and ollies names into the mix as players who are gonna get in peoples faces...
is it you chrissy or do you need back up?
hell do they even want to be lumped in with you and your hissy fit?
ollie = enforcer
Good for CWebb. Nice to hear him speak out.
i'm sick of hearing them talk about how they need to do this & do that...then they go out on the court & suck it up.
they all need to shut up & play...and cheeks needs to stop repeating himself 3 times everytime he's asked a question.
i want webber to retire...so anything that can make him as miserable as possible im all for
this was his speech in a nutshell
MOMMMIIIEEEEEE!!!!!
why do people still watch this team?
They hate themselves, but prefer it to jumping in front of a train?
Team basketball sucks.
Just look at those LOSERS in Detroit. Five guys in double figures, none of whom scored over 20!
Hahahaha!
Pathetic.
detroit players>sixer players
But I thought Iverson was the best playa evar?
There's no way five average players should beat a superduperstar like A.I.
I blame Cheeks.
Get Iverson!
But I thought Iverson was the best playa evar?
one of the 50 best and thats good enough for me
There's no way five average players should beat a superduperstar like A.I.
pistons are far from average players but no they dont have a superstar...however their 2-7 guys are infintely better than the sixers 2-7...and that overcomes a great 1
a good example would be last year where a team with the best player (duncan) beat an otherwise equivalent opponent
not sure why im even trying to explain this to you...oh yeah!...to waste another days worth of taxpayer money
this team isnt worth discussing. they suck from top to bottom.
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2006, 11:58:55 AM
this team isnt worth discussing. they suck from top to bottom.
Sixers = Jenna Jameson. :-*
i love porn
GOOOOO TEAM!
I found this gem in an article about Steve Nash commenting on Amare Stoudemire:
Quote"If [Stoudemire were] a 10-year vet -- like a Chris Webber for example, a guy who knows the league, sees the floor and knows how to play without his jumping ability -- it's a different story. But Amare is a young guy, he has his whole career ahead of him -- you've got to err on the side of caution."
:-D
In the game against the Clippers in March, Sammy D took off his shoes at halftime when didn't start, and had to be talked back into putting them on. He did, but didn't warm up with the team for the second half. Mo didn't play him the rest of the game.
Sixers win
this is how we should have won in the garden as well.
QuoteThe Sixers had three players score 20-plus points for the eighth time this season are 8-0 in those games.
Team basketball?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 02, 2006, 09:41:45 PM
QuoteThe Sixers had three players score 20-plus points for the eighth time this season are 8-0 in those games.
Team basketball?
or maybe if someone besides ai and webber was worth a damn on offense.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 02, 2006, 09:41:45 PM
QuoteThe Sixers had three players score 20-plus points for the eighth time this season are 8-0 in those games.
Team basketball?
go figure...it really works.
Don't you think MO Cheeks is to blame at all for this debacle? They have talent on their roster but their desire is just not there....they had it before and had a crappy coach. So we get a new coach and it gets worse. It sickens me to watch them play
Quote from: reese125 on April 03, 2006, 12:48:38 PM
Don't you think MO Cheeks is to blame at all for this debacle? They have talent on their roster but their desire is just not there....they had it before and had a crappy coach. So we get a new coach and it gets worse. It sickens me to watch them play
This team was in shambles long before Mo got here.
I like blaming the Sixers problems on Larry Brown. That way I can still hate him and divert my criticism away from Mo.
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Sixers are getting their asses beat by 25 (109-84) in the 4th.
They still have a pro team in Philly? Nice. I had no idea.
The Nets clinch the division thanks to that one. Shocking....
The Bulls just came back from 15 down vs the Pacers to win by 6, so the Sixers are now 1/2 game out of 9th.....or 1 game out of 7th... :-\
Good for the Sixers.
It's better to miss the playoffs.
Add another lotto pick around Willie, Iguodala, and AI. Then trade Dalembert and Webber if you can.
I think AI has earned the right to retire as a Sixer, even if it means delaying the rebuilding process.
lottery baby. keep the hopes alive.
IGY's boy Rajon Rondo said he's going pro today...
lotteryRajon Rondo baby. keep the hopes alive.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 04, 2006, 11:00:05 PM
Good for the Sixers.
It's better to miss the playoffs.
Add another lotto pick around Willie, Iguodala, and AI. Then trade Dalembert and Webber if you can.
I think AI has earned the right to retire as a Sixer, even if it means delaying the rebuilding process.
There is no point of them making it. I mean, can you really see everyone at the Wachovia Center waving their towels in the air from joy...please. Those towels would be thrown onto the middle of the court by the 3rd quarter or used for nosebleeds when everyone is kicking the $htein out of each other from disgust.
BY the way, Iverson will play hard until hes 35--the guy is a freak and still looks like he played when he was 25 (minus a few steps but not that noticable), so how long do you want to wait?
Sixers lose again and never led at any point in the game :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 05, 2006, 10:06:43 PM
Sixers lose again and never led at any point in the game :yay
Sweet!
i only watched about two quarters worth of the game but they are clearly a team that has given up
i've seen more intensity in the 4th quarter of a Jets/Eagles pre-season game.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 05, 2006, 10:27:20 PM
i've seen more intensity in the 4th quarter of a Jets/Eagles pre-season game.
Well, Carlos Perez and Brandon Pinderhughes really thought they had a chance at a roster spot!
they were wrong
Darrell Lee and Jonas Crafts are going to get in there and compete, though.
right now we have the 3rd least amount of lottery balls (like a 1% chance of hitting). 2 games behind houston and 3 behind seattle for the next spots. theres are pack up ahead 3.5 out, so if we keep this up...maybe. but i doubt it. we need to continue this downward trend.
this team is money! :yay
with their unparalleled ability to fold in big games, they should have no problem losing 5 or 6 of their final 8 games & picking up more ping pong balls.
Dalembert is smart
theyre going to lose to boston at home :-D
They are now 34-41. No shot at a winning record.
Right now we have the 12th pick, very little shot of hitting the lottery.
1.5 up on Houston, 2 on Seattle, 2.5 on Boston and 3 on Orlando.
Only Orlando has been playing well as of late, so things are really looking tough to move up in the draft.
We have the game in hand with Houston, so if we lose the next two and they win their next game...were tied.
I'm now aboard the lottery bandwagon, lets lose and get some more balls.
this team could definitely use some balls.
only 7 games left, including these certain losses:
@chi
@ nj
@mia
vs nj
hell, the way they're playing the was, orl, & cha aren't gimmes either.
Mo started to cry after last night's press conference. He also wanted to go off on Eskin but restrained himself...
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 08, 2006, 10:44:36 AM
Mo started to cry after last night's press conference. He also wanted to go off on Eskin but restrained himself...
i didn't realize that was eskin asking all those questions...all he was trying to do was get mo to name names.
anyway, it's not a good sign when your coach almost has a nervous breakdown during the post game presser...they'll be lucky to win 2 more games.
that cute, little sensitive side of Mo definitely rubbed off on his players. Ive watched every game this season and Im stunned on the level of improvement and strides the team has made throughout the season....NONE.
Trade Iverson now while he has value...King can make SOMETHING happen with him
haha theyre awful
What was Eskin asking him?
And if Mo could win with those bums in Portland it should tell you that he can coach. This team is loaded with dogs.
He had more talent in Portland than he does here. Problems he had there were character issues.
Eskin kept bringing up that AI and Webber have been saying publicly that the young guys on the team lack heart, lack intensity and suck at defense, and he wanted to know why Mo wouldn't agree with them. Mo said that yelling about Dalembert or any other young guys in a postgame conference wasn't going to solve anything and he didn't want to go there.....said he'd deal with it privately...
He'll be getting ripped soon ala Reid for not airing the teams dirty laundry...
the difference is mo shows true emotion that shows he truly cares...he comes on radio programs every week...he is very accessable to his fanbase...hes a philly legend and adopted son...and the fans repsect that...reid on the other hand acts as if hes in cloak and dagger...he shows zero emotion or care for his team or its fans...hes doesnt know the first thing about being a philadelphian...and he obviously could care less about the people who support the team he coaches
Andy is very accessible to the fans, IGY. We just don't hear about it because he doesn't publicize it. Now he isn't doing a weekly radio show on WIP, but he still does his part. Its just on the cool.
For instance, and when I heard this story, I thought it was very cool.
When I used to work midnights I would listen to Paul Jolovitz every weekend. Paul has befriended a guy named Timmy Campelone. Timmy called in one night from his hospital bed to talk (he has cancer) and Paul asked him to tell the audience about the relationship he has with Reid.
Timmy was at a Maxwell dinner a few years ago and Andy approached him and was talking to him. From then on he has kept up with him a lot. But the best part of the story was Andy heard that the guy wasn't doing well in February. He took the time to call him from the combine and spoke to him for an hour. He said Andy calls him often just to talk and try to keep his spirits up and tell him to not give up.
And Andy also was the guy who greeted all the fans sleeping and waiting outside the Vet for playoff tickets back in 2000 before the Bucs came to town.
Now I agree, and really like, that Mo shows the emotion. But I also like how Reid keeps to himself a lot of times. Andy knows all about Philadelphia. But he doesn't let himself get caught up in the hype that we have.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2006, 10:32:50 PM
the difference is mo shows true emotion that shows he truly cares...he comes on radio programs every week...he is very accessable to his fanbase...hes a philly legend and adopted son...and the fans repsect that...reid on the other hand acts as if hes in cloak and dagger...he shows zero emotion or care for his team or its fans...hes doesnt know the first thing about being a philadelphian...and he obviously could care less about the people who support the team he coaches
We all love Mo and who cares if he shows emotion and "cares". He's not trying earn a Boy Scout badge. Sixers are trying to win some friggin games to get in the playoffs, even if we dont want them to make it. The lack of intensity that the Sixers are known for has not shown--on both sides of the floor, and that does rest on the coach. I know you cant teach heart and desire, but you sure as hell can teach positioning on offense and defense--and these players are scattered on the floor. Two f-in legit all-stars (in the 30pt and 20pt category) with a nice (nice meaning ok) supporting cast and they cant get in the right positions to play D---still?? Theres a problem there and it first falls on the coach.
When I used to work midnights I would listen to Paul Jolovitz every weekend. Paul has befriended a guy named Timmy Campelone. Timmy called in one night from his hospital bed to talk (he has cancer) and Paul asked him to tell the audience about the relationship he has with Reid.
Timmy was at a Maxwell dinner a few years ago and Andy approached him and was talking to him. From then on he has kept up with him a lot. But the best part of the story was Andy heard that the guy wasn't doing well in February. He took the time to call him from the combine and spoke to him for an hour. He said Andy calls him often just to talk and try to keep his spirits up and tell him to not give up.
And Andy also was the guy who greeted all the fans sleeping and waiting outside the Vet for playoff tickets back in 2000 before the Bucs came to town
i didnt say andy was a bad person just not very fanbase friendly...going out of the way for one sick kid and a couple hundred fans in a ticket line is not exactly reaching out to the entire fanbase
andy is a better coach than mo...may even be a better person who knows...i was just pointing out why he will never be loved like mo even IF he were to win a superbowl
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2006, 08:39:08 AM
When I used to work midnights I would listen to Paul Jolovitz every weekend. Paul has befriended a guy named Timmy Campelone. Timmy called in one night from his hospital bed to talk (he has cancer) and Paul asked him to tell the audience about the relationship he has with Reid.
Timmy was at a Maxwell dinner a few years ago and Andy approached him and was talking to him. From then on he has kept up with him a lot. But the best part of the story was Andy heard that the guy wasn't doing well in February. He took the time to call him from the combine and spoke to him for an hour. He said Andy calls him often just to talk and try to keep his spirits up and tell him to not give up.
And Andy also was the guy who greeted all the fans sleeping and waiting outside the Vet for playoff tickets back in 2000 before the Bucs came to town
i didnt say andy was a bad person just not very fanbase friendly...going out of the way for one sick kid and a couple hundred fans in a ticket line is not exactly reaching out to the entire fanbase
andy is a better coach than mo...may even be a better person who knows...i was just pointing out why he will never be loved like mo even IF he were to win a superbowl
we'll see how much the city loves Mo after another debacle. and your wrong about the Reid and the superbowl IGY. You bring a superbowl to this city its nothing but ridiculous love. The fans would give a rats ass if he doesnt give news to us or the media. As long as he brought us the trophy...because in the end, thats really what its all about to the fans
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2006, 01:55:11 AMhe isn't doing a weekly radio show on WIP
He does one on WYSP.
BTW, did anyone else notice that the #6 seed in the East has 40 losses?
we'll see how much the city loves Mo after another debacle. and your wrong about the Reid and the superbowl IGY. You bring a superbowl to this city its nothing but ridiculous love. The fans would give a rats ass if he doesnt give news to us or the media. As long as he brought us the trophy...because in the end, thats really what its all about to the fans
you couldnt be more wrong...will he garner a new level of respect from people and lose a lot of the hate...of course...
will he be revered like vermeil or buddy...no way
r u kidding me? The 4 NFC championship games, best coaching record all time in Eagles history, and a superbowl trophy. Um, yeah I think he'll be revered.
Stop letting Vermeil's tears and Buddy's defense prowess get to ya...think about the ultimate goal here and Philadelphia's real feelings afterwards
mike schmidt is the best third baseman of all-time and was the best player on the only phils title team and doesnt have half the love in the city that larry bowa does
i can only guess that you have never spent any appreciable time in the city...and if you have then im at a loss as to why youre so clueless as to how the average sports fan in the city operates
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2006, 10:44:52 AM
mike schmidt is the best third baseman of all-time and was the best player on the only phils title team and doesnt have half the love in the city that larry bowa does
i can only guess that you have never spent any appreciable time in the city...and if you have then im at a loss as to why youre so clueless as to how the average sports fan in the city operates
ice, please stop...your killin me here. #1, I've lived in Philly my whole life. Just answer me this...do you live in the city?
you think mike schmidt has more love than Larry Bowa?
At this point, yes. Before Bowa managed the team? Maybe not.
not even now.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 10, 2006, 11:22:47 AM
you think mike schmidt has more love than Larry Bowa?
I actually put that in bold because he went off in a tangent with Larry Bowa and Schmidt. First were talking about Reid then he flew to baseball. I dont care about Schmidt--I know he gets booed, but he got love. Im talking about football and how much the super bowl trophy will be embraced in this town. This city is a football city. 16 games a year is life and death to these people. not 162 games--but both do mean a hell of alot.
I actually put that in bold because he went off in a tangent with Larry Bowa and Schmidt. First were talking about Reid then he flew to baseball. I dont care about Schmidt--I know he gets booed, but he got love. Im talking about football and how much the super bowl trophy will be embraced in this town. This city is a football city. 16 games a year is life and death to these people. not 162 games--but both do mean a hell of alot.
youre not very smart are you...i was trying to show you how the city works in terms of who they distribute their love to and why...reid will never accomplish more than schmidt who is the best player EVER at his position in a sport that is 130 years old and won the teams only world series championship...yet schmidt is not universally loved and revered in the city...thus reid never will be either as he just doesnt have the kind of personality and care factor that allows the fans in philly to form that special relationship
philly is a city where being the best isnt always good enough much less just being great
btw the 16 game season is what makes football bigger on a year by year basis but were the phils to make a world series run dont think that it wouldnt rival an eagles sb run
the city has mad love for igy...and that's all that really matters.
go wiz!
tru dat....im loved and revered no matter where i go
yeah I saw your analogy slick, with the smart thing....please. Let Reid bring a trophy to this town and we'll see about future embracing.
And just a funny little sidenote, you know Tim McCarver? He mentions that your boy Larry Bowa even declared on TV during the Cardinals/Yankee game that Scott Rolen was the best 3rd baseman above Schmidt.
Brooks Robinson was better than Schmidt anyway
Brooks Robinson hit 300 fewer home runs than Schmidt and was only a marginally better defensive player than Schmidt.
It's not even close.
As for Rolen, don't make me laugh.
:-D
yeah because i said best fielding 3rd baseman ever...get the eff outta here
this is highly debatable until our fingers fall off. Robinson had 16 golden gloves to Schmidt 10. Schmidt had more HR's. OK, your point? We could argue this all day and so could baseballs experts. So Im done with this...move to baseball thread.
As far as Rolen...I didnt say it Rome...so keep laughing at your beloved, revered ex-manager.
there is no argument....schmidt is the best ever
then again this is a sixers thread....i even forgot
I think Mike Schmidt, bad knees and all, would probably be a starter at SF for the Sixers right now.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 12:18:33 PM
I think Mike Schmidt, bad knees and all, would probably be a starter at SF for the Sixers right now.
He cant Patt, strikes out too much. His best shot is as Hip-Hop's back-up
sixers just sigend juan samuel to a 10 day contract.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 10, 2006, 12:30:09 PM
sixers just sigend juan samuel to a 10 day contract.
He'll lead the league in steals, obviously.
racist.
ABOUT.com
http://probasketball.about.com/od/n...ockdraft061.htm
2006 NBA Draft Order Based on Current Standings
Updated 4/1/06
1. Chicago Bulls -- Tyrus Thomas, PF, LSU
(From New York)
2. Charlotte Bobcats -- Rudy Gay, SF, Connecticut
3. Portland Trailblazers -- Adam Morrison, SF, Gonzaga
4. Atlanta Hawks -- LaMarcus Aldridge, PF/C, Texas
5. Toronto Raptors -- Andrea Bargnani, PF, Italy
6. Orlando Magic -- Brandon Roy, SG, Washington
7. Seattle Sonics -- Shelden Williams, PF, Duke
8. Boston Celtics -- Randy Foye, PG/SG, Villanova
9. Minnesota Timberwolves -- Patrick O'Bryant, C, Bradley
10. Golden State Warriors -- Hilton Armstrong, PF/C, Connecticut
11. Houston Rockets -- Glen Davis, PF, LSU
12. Chicago Bulls -- Rodney Carney, SG/SF, Memphis
13. New Orleans Hornets -- J.J. Redick, SG, Duke
14. Utah Jazz -- Ronnie Brewer, SG, Arkansas
15. Philadelphia 76ers -- Rajon Rondo, PG, Kentucky
16. Indiana Pacers -- Tiago Splitter, C, Brazil
17. Sacramento Kings -- Marcus Williams, PG, Connecticut
18. New Orleans Hornets -- Al Horford, PF, Florida
(From Milwaukee)
19. Phoenix Suns -- Mardy Collins, PG/SG, Temple
(From L.A. Lakers via Boston via Atlanta)
20. Washington Wizards -- Richard Roby, SG, Colorado
21. New York Knicks -- Josh Boone, PF, Connecticut
(From Denver via New Jersey via Toronto)
22. Memphis Grizzlies -- Paul Millsap, PF, Louisiana Tech
23. New Jersey Nets -- Justin Williams, PF/C, Wyoming
(From L.A. Clippers)
24. Cleveland Cavaliers -- Maurice Ager, SG, Michigan State
25. New Jersey Nets -- Guillermo Diaz, PG, Miami
26. Phoenix Suns -- Nick Fazekas, PF/C, Nevada
27. L.A. Lakers -- Marcus Slaughter, SF, San Diego State
(From Miami)
28. Dallas Mavericks -- Rudy Fernandez, SG, Spain
29. New York Knicks -- P.J. Tucker, SF, Texas
(From San Antonio)
30. Portland Trailblazers -- Aaron Gray, C, Pittsburgh
(From Detroit via Utah
somebody's going to be happy about that.
what!?!?!?!
19. Phoenix Suns -- Mardy Collins, PG/SG, Temple
(From L.A. Lakers via Boston via Atlanta)
Nice.
Good thing the Sixers don't have any front-court issues to deal with.
No joke...the Sixers are now only 3 games out of the #5 seed... :-D
problem is they will go 1-4 or 2-3 in the next 5. Their matchups are brutal
NJ--two games--1-1(if lucky)
Miami--L
Orlando--L (team is very hot right now)
Charlotte--W (very close game, Sixers always play down to other teams)
they actually looked decent last night...a1 passed the ball and the hunter/dalembert lineup gave them a lot more athleticism & D in the front court.
that being said, i'm still rooting for that lottery pick.
Orlando won again last night.
I can't believe they're winning their way out of a solid draft lottery position. Why can't they have thrown in the proverbial towel like the Sixers have already?
:boom :D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 11, 2006, 10:21:38 AM
Orlando won again last night.
I can't believe they're winning their way out of a solid draft lottery position. Why can't they have thrown in the proverbial towel like the Sixers have already?
:boom :D
they are "lottteried" out. They have some great pieces there to build around with some offseason additions. All you need are a couple good swingmen and they are good. Nelson and Howard are studs and Turg is filling the whole stat line. Battie is not their answer at center though. They play better team ball now, unlike the Sixers
Don't forget about the resurgence of DARKO! :D
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 11, 2006, 10:48:27 AM
Don't forget about the resurgence of DARKO! :D
I think Darko excels in that offense. The boy is making some nifty blocks and will def. be a difference maker on that team for defense. Need another 12-15+ scorer to make an impact.
Enough about the Magic...screw them :-D
Hopefully they'll get Fran Vasquez in next year from Europe, just miss out on the playoffs this year and secure a high lottery pick in the 2006 draft.
Next year will be the last in the holding pattern they find themselves in. In 2007, Grant Hill's deal finally washes out and they'll be able to rid themselves of that thief once and for all.
http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060411/SPORTS03/604110352/1016
Quote"After the trade deadline, I looked in the mirror and said I've got to do a better job," King said. "It's been the most frustrating year in my involvement in basketball."
King added: "There's some guys I know for sure won't be back."
Quote"There's some things going into this summer that I know need to be addressed," King said. "We've got to get back to playing defense. That's got to be at the forefront.
"Last year, I went in with the approach of retaining our free agents, this year we're going in that we're gonna build a team that starts with defense. Not just defensive guys, guys with an attitude."
"This season Mo's done a good job, I'm looking forward to this summer, sit down with Mo. In evaluating, maybe I could've gotten him a couple more pieces and made his job a lot easier. I've got to look at it and not be held hostage by any players on the roster to make us go in the right direction."
Quote from: hunt on April 11, 2006, 12:18:03 PM
King added: "There's some guys I know for sure won't be back."
he's talking about himself again.
RealGM Trade ID 3035863
It'll happen.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 11, 2006, 12:56:02 PM
RealGM Trade ID 3035863
It'll happen.
http://www1.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3035863
Korver and Webber for Ratliff, Skinner, and Snow. Funney.
nice, lets just game the same team that took us to the finals and make them all a few years older and slower. i like the concept.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 11, 2006, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 11, 2006, 12:56:02 PM
RealGM Trade ID 3035863
It'll happen.
http://www1.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3035863
Korver and Webber for Ratliff, Skinner, and Snow. Funney.
will somebody please tell Ratliff to hang up the Keds with the velcro straps for christs sake. evry year in fantasy they tell you he is going to put up big stats on the block and rebound category, every year he blows. If King even thinks of that trade with him and snow, not only will he be fired the next year, he'll be caned on broad st right next to mcnabb
cant friggin believe the Bulls beat the Nets last night. Ive watched almost every Bulls game, because I had Hienrich for fantasy and they are not even in the same class as the Nets. That team stinks and gets blown out by the good teams all the time. Blame that win on the Bulls home crowd and lazy defense by the Nets.
Making hard for the Sixers I tell ya. I wonder if Mo continues with the double-headed monster in the middle with Dalembert and Hunter? Defense has picked up with it....
you do realize you dont want the sixers in the playoffs right?
yeah, really...i was thrilled when i saw the bulls won.
btw, did anybody see billy king's interview on csn where he said they're going to basically "start over" this offseason and build a team built around defense?
Isn't that the same interview to which you posted blurbs just a few posts ago?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 08:43:26 AM
you do realize you dont want the sixers in the playoffs right?
you do realize the Sixers dont see it that way and with our luck, they will make it... Im not going to sit here and root for the friggin Bulls regardless. Screw the lottery balls, this years draft is the worst in 10 years.
getting in the lottery with a chance to steal a top ten pick>getting embarrassed by the pistons and picking 16th in the draft
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 12, 2006, 08:52:21 AM
Isn't that the same interview to which you posted blurbs just a few posts ago?
i don't think so...it was an interview with the lovely dei lynum. i saw part of it yesterday and the phrase "start over" caught my attention. what does it say about the job king has been doing when he says they have to start over?
firing that bozo should be step 1 in "starting over:. :boom
Quote from: hunt on April 12, 2006, 08:49:10 AM
yeah, really...i was thrilled when i saw the bulls won.
btw, did anybody see billy king's interview on csn where he said they're going to basically "start over" this offseason and build a team built around defense?
how's he gonna start over? AI is tradable, but I don't think Webber is
Quote from: jms246 on April 12, 2006, 08:59:56 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 12, 2006, 08:49:10 AM
yeah, really...i was thrilled when i saw the bulls won.
btw, did anybody see billy king's interview on csn where he said they're going to basically "start over" this offseason and build a team built around defense?
how's he gonna start over? AI is tradable, but I don't think Webber is
i'm sure billy has a plan.
:paranoid
i'm not even sure how tradable iverson is but i hope they can come up with something...webber is nearly impossible to get rid of unless they take on longer, equally horrible contracts in return.
it's totally unrelated but in the interview, king was also talking about the trade he ALMOST pulled off with the raptors a few years back....larry hughes for t-mac and a 1st round pick. the raps agreed to it but changed their mind the next morning.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 08:58:51 AM
getting in the lottery with a chance to steal a top ten pick>getting embarrassed by the pistons and picking 16th in the draft
Ice, outside of Reddick and Morrison--cancel them out, and maybe 2 possible others, who the hell could make a difference in this years draft for the Sixers...its god awful? I root for the Sixers for today b/cause Im a fan (even though the have no shot), surely not for friggin next years draft
no one is gonna make a difference for them next year but rajon rondo could be their point guard of the future...anyway top ten picks are better than not top ten picks...thats generally how drafts work
as for trading iverson...why?....you arent gonna get anything for him and the sixers are not gonna be good before his contract is up anyway...so let him finish his career where he belongs in philly...
if by some chance you can strike a deal that gives you some sort of young talent then fine you gotta do it...but if youre doing it just to get rid of his contract and are gonna get some garbage in return to achieve that goal then NO
Quote from: reese125 on April 12, 2006, 09:05:49 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 08:58:51 AM
getting in the lottery with a chance to steal a top ten pick>getting embarrassed by the pistons and picking 16th in the draft
Ice, outside of Reddick and Morrison--cancel them out, and maybe 2 possible others, who the hell could make a difference in this years draft for the Sixers...its god awful? I root for the Sixers for today b/cause Im a fan (even though the have no shot), surely not for friggin next years draft
the sixers are so bad that just about any guy drafted in the top 10-12 would help them immediately. when guys like ollie, salmons, korver, and undrafted white guys from duke are seeing significant minutes, you need the best possible draft pick you can get.
king was also talking about the trade he ALMOST pulled off with the raptors a few years back....larry hughes for t-mac and a 1st round pick. the raps agreed to it but changed their mind the next morning.
nothing like a GM trying to portray a would of, could of, should of trade to the fans so we can say, "Man, Billy is good...he almost pulled off.......give him another shot" Work the damn phones Bill and get AI out of here
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 09:12:10 AM
as for trading iverson...why?
to speed up the rebuilding process instead of waiting 2 years to start it.
you arent gonna get anything for him and the sixers are not gonna be good before his contract is up anyway...so let him finish his career where he belongs in philly...
if by some chance you can strike a deal that gives you some sort of young talent
a) strike while the iron is hot with AI while he has major value, not another year for the chance his knees to buckle regardless if the guy is a warrior or not
b) yes that is the big picture plan here
to speed up the rebuilding process instead of waiting 2 years to start it.
youre assuming that they would actually get pieces to rebuild with...95% chance that wouldnt happen...
when guys like ollie, salmons, korver, and undrafted white guys from duke are seeing significant minutes, you need the best possible draft pick you can get.
but nobody in the draft is any better than those players you just named, with the exception of Ollie, but hes only used for defense--and like King said--enough of just adding "defensive minded" players. Get some players with attitude that play HARD defense and have the ability to score.
IMO and I love him as a person, I dont think Cheeks is the coach to instill that kind of attitude.
but nobody in the draft is any better than those players you just named
really what does this mean?...youd rather have a low draft pick than a high one
theres 20 players in the draft better than korver right now...randolph shouldnt even be in the league....salmons ia arguable...but theres 15 players in this draft that will become much better in time
are you suggesting they not even hold a draft this year since you believe korver is better than anyone in it?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 09:25:54 AM
95% chance that wouldnt happen...
link?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 09:25:54 AM
youre assuming that they would actually get pieces to rebuild with...
you're assuming they wouldn't.
they obviously wouldn't trade him for garbage players with contracts longer than his...but it's not a rebuild if you keep a1 around. he'd still be the focal point of the offense and the young guys wouldn't get a chance to develop.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 09:36:28 AM
but nobody in the draft is any better than those players you just named
really what does this mean?...youd rather have a low draft pick than a high one
theres 20 players in the draft better than korver right now...randolph shouldnt even be in the league....salmons ia arguable...but theres 15 players in this draft that will become much better in time
are you suggesting they not even hold a draft this year since you believe korver is better than anyone in it?
Yes, lets not hold a draft because Korver is the next MJ. Cmon IGY, lets get serious. Your misinterpreting my point. The talent level of those picks you mention, at the spot they are at, are one in the same. We dont know how they will develop and can even get to where Salmons is at now (which is still unknown).
Hopefully you understand, that you need a "legit" 3-point threat on the floor, obviously not the minutes that he plays though because he is a defensive liability. He is good enough, just not starter quality IMO. The other players on the Sixers and the "other 15 players in the draft"--to be determined over years in the league. No standouts to make a true difference...thats my point.
name me a trade in the history of the salary cap era where a guy at the end of his career was traded for promising good young players...it simply doesnt happen
theres your link
not to mention youre talking about a guy that wont exactly meld into what you already have...hes not a missing piece type player he is the piece except hes a few years away from retirement...the only reason anyone would want iverson is to get their attendance up like the bulletts did with jordan...but that only lasts a couple years...no team is going to give up a good young player who in five years will be putting up numbers while iverson is out of the league...it just doesnt happen
this team cannot rebuild until webber is gone...he is a dead soldier whos money is a disease to the franchise...but unlike ai he has no franchise history and means nothing to the city and who the sixers owe nothing....wheras ai they do...you dont jettison a franchise legend just because...if anyone is to be traded for garbage its webber but that aint gonna happen either....at this point you try and get a young point guard to develop while you wait out webber and ai's contracts
of course this all changes if iverson makes it known he wants out...then all bets are off...but until now hes been super loyal to the team and city...and the team should return the loyalty...not trade him for a few scrubs
so you're saying they should keep a1 around for sentimental reasons. yeah, that's a sound strategy.
btw, they owe him nothing. if there's a trade on the table that makes the team better, they need to jump all over it.
i have a strong feeling a1 will be the one demanding to be traded so this will all be a moot point but saying they have to keep him for sentimental reasons is laughable.
name me a trade in the history of the salary cap era where a guy at the end of his career was traded for promising good young players...it simply doesnt happen
2003 Seattle traded Gary Payton and Desmond Mason to Milwaukee for Ray Allen, Kevin Ollie, Ronald Murray, and a 2003 first-round draft pick or two 2003 second-round draft picks.
lol...you didnt read a word i said...keep on keepin on...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2006, 10:32:50 PM
the difference is mo shows true emotion that shows he truly cares...he comes on radio programs every week...he is very accessable to his fanbase...hes a philly legend and adopted son...and the fans repsect that...reid on the other hand acts as if hes in cloak and dagger...he shows zero emotion or care for his team or its fans...hes doesnt know the first thing about being a philadelphian...and he obviously could care less about the people who support the team he coaches
reid has a great relationship with fans. there are countless stories. even i have one...i told here before.
he doesnt show emotion at his press conferences. and he doesnt dime out his players publicly. his players love him for that.
at the same time he doesnt care what we think he should do. but he absolutley cares about the fan. no doubt.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
lol...you didnt read a word i said...keep on keepin on...
i sure did.
you said the sixers should be loyal to iverson and not trade him because he's a franchise legend...that they owe it to him.
and i'm still laughing.
2003 Seattle traded Gary Payton and Desmond Mason to Milwaukee for Ray Allen, Kevin Ollie, Ronald Murray, and a 2003 first-round draft pick or two 2003 second-round draft picks.
if it were just payton that would be one thing but mason was a good young player himself
that was aging vet and good young player for very good young player
ex. iverson and iguodala for mcgrady
you asked for young talent (not to mention a 1st rd'er on top), you got it....with a greazy pork sandwhich served in a dirty ashtray ;)
i asked for old end of career players for young players...not old and young for young
put that in your roast pork and smoke it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 09:52:28 AM
name me a trade in the history of the salary cap era where a guy at the end of his career was traded for promising good young players...it simply doesnt happen
Unless it's a 6+ player trade, it can't happen in the salary cap era because the veterans make over $10M a year while the promising young players make $1M-$3M a year.
which is another reason it will never happen
the best you can hope for is a iverson for garnett type trade...which is fine if you think that will magically turn around the team or give them a promising future...but fact is it wont...which is why i think they should just wait out his contract...
however if youre a person that just wants to get rid of iverson just because you dont like him...then im sure someone will accomodate the sixers
The only way you'd be able to pull off a deal like that would be to acquire someone in the first or second year of a contract that was recently max extended....for example, a sign-and-trade with Chris Bosh this summer...
almost every nba trade involves multiple players thrown in to make the salaries match up & i'm sure an iverson trade would too. at the very minimum, it would have to be something like iverson for young guy with talent + crappy guy with higher salary to make trade work...there would probably be even more players involved to make salaries work.
of course, they won't trade iverson because he's the team hero and they owe him the courtesy of keeping him around so they'll suck for an extra 2 years.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 12, 2006, 02:24:09 PM
The only way you'd be able to pull off a deal like that would be to acquire someone in the first or second year of a contract that was recently max extended....for example, a sign-and-trade with Chris Bosh this summer...
iverson for terry (sign & trade) and one of the mav's swingmen, preferably howard.
yes.
Terry turns 29 in September, so he's only a year or 2 younger than AI...
exactly
and hes not that good anyway
terry is a very good player and will get big $ this offseason...he'd give them a legit pg (who actually plays pg). adding howard at sf would be a huge upgrade a sf...and he's young.
if you guys think they'll do better than terry & howard, get ready to be severly disappointed when they trade a1 this summer.
they wont even get terry and howard...i would never ever expect more than them
but even if they did it wouldnt make them any better...in fact their team would be worse
they would be much better...you obviously know nothing about the nba except how to swing on iverson's jock.
also terry is not a true point...hes a scorer first has been since college...on a team that averages 100 pts a game he averages about half the amount of assists iverson does with the garbage he has around him
terry is a bad version of iverson at the point
hunt...there is a big problem when your assists drop from 5/game to 3/game. He should have had less assists in Atlanta, where nobody could shoot, compared to now in Dallas who has good spot shooters and post players. I fully disagree with bringing Terry here--hes not a true point guard
they would be much better
are you honestly saying that minus iverson and plus jason terry and josh howard makes the sixers better?...stop it...the sixers are the hawks the day that happens
if you want howard because in a few years iverson will be retired and howard will be a nice 17 and 6 guy in the sixers lineup then fine i can live with that...but dont be retarded and say they would be better
hunt...there is a big problem when your assists drop from 5/game to 3/game. He should have had less assists in Atlanta, where nobody could shoot, compared to now in Dallas who has good spot shooters and post players. I fully disagree with bringing Terry here--hes not a true point guard
dont listen to him...hunt wouldnt know jason terry if he came in and sat on his lap right now...he saw on another board someone touting this trade and that plus his iverson hate is all he needed for it to be the deal of the century
Quote from: reese125 on April 12, 2006, 03:47:01 PM
hunt...there is a big problem when your assists drop from 5/game to 3/game. He should have had less assists in Atlanta, where nobody could shoot, compared to now in Dallas who has good spot shooters and post players. I fully disagree with bringing Terry here--hes not a true point guard
terry would help make up for a1's scoring & he can play pg...i know he's not nash but neither is iverson (or ollie who's forced to start since a1 couldn't handle playing pg).
terry would help make up for a1's scoring & he can play pg...i know he's not nash but neither is iverson (or ollie who's forced to start since a1 couldn't handle playing pg).
if you hate iverson you will REALLY hate terry...hes IS iverson minus half the points and assists
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 03:53:40 PM
terry would help make up for a1's scoring & he can play pg...i know he's not nash but neither is iverson (or ollie who's forced to start since a1 couldn't handle playing pg).
if you hate iverson you will REALLY hate terry...hes IS iverson minus half the points and assists
i guess you haven't seen much of terry since he left atl....he's turned himself into an efficient scorer who shoots a high % and doesn't need to jack up 25+ shots to get his points...and howard is already a 16 & 7 guy.
i know you want to suck on a1's nutz for 2 more years but it's a horrible mistake if they do.
I still think BK goes down in flames with AI by his side before he trades him.
i guess you haven't seen much of terry since he left atl....he's turned himself into an efficient scorer who shoots a high %
first youre saying hes a good point guard...now hes an efficient scorer....his pt guard mentality is less than that of iversons if thats possible
and you dont get it...hes on a team with scorers around him now...why do you think his fg% jumped like seven pts once he left atlanta...guess what tho the second he gets traded to the sixers his fg% goes back down to the 40-41% (way less than iversons) that is was before he left and hes back to jacking up shots from all over the court because hes surrounded by garbage
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 04:10:40 PM
i guess you haven't seen much of terry since he left atl....he's turned himself into an efficient scorer who shoots a high %
first youre saying hes a good point guard...now hes an efficient scorer....his pt guard mentality is less than that of iversons if thats possible
it's not. and i never said he's a good point guard...i said at least he plays pg, unlike iverson who can't.
besides your sentimental reasons, what good comes out of keeping iverson on this team?
Quote from: hunt on April 12, 2006, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 12, 2006, 03:47:01 PM
hunt...there is a big problem when your assists drop from 5/game to 3/game. He should have had less assists in Atlanta, where nobody could shoot, compared to now in Dallas who has good spot shooters and post players. I fully disagree with bringing Terry here--hes not a true point guard
terry would help make up for a1's scoring & he can play pg...i know he's not nash but neither is iverson (or ollie who's forced to start since a1 couldn't handle playing pg).
AI can surely handle the PG spot, hes avg'ing career highs in assists the past 2 years...exactly what this team needs to win. That any team needs for that matter. He trys to do to much, which he can do because hes a stud (the big problem here). He penetrates and dishes, something Terry is not that good at. If he was, he would have a hell of alot more assists thruout his career. Keep Terry.
Give me a PG with a great assist/TO ratio, can score 15+ and dish 8-10, hit the 3 40-45% of the time....Im a happy camper. Yes I would take Josh Howard because he will be a stud and already is turning into one down in the paint
I would love Brevin Knight here if he didnt get hurt so damn much. Boy is good
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 12, 2006, 04:09:55 PM
I still think BK goes down in flames with AI by his side before he trades him.
i hoping that salmons, c-webb, korver, dalembert & company play like dogs these last 5 games so they can help drive a1 to the point of demanding a trade this summer.
Quote from: reese125 on April 12, 2006, 04:19:06 PM
AI can surely handle the PG spot,
he's proven that he can't, you talk about assist/TO ratio? Iverson's is awful.
AI's a great player, but he can't be a productive PG.
as far as AI at pg goes i dont think he is at his best but he has shown he can average 7+ assists. the turnovers will come for a guy his size who is a scorer first more than anything else. iverson is a better pg than ollie, but thats the problem...he shouldnt be the best pg on a team.
Quote from: reese125 on April 12, 2006, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 12, 2006, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 12, 2006, 03:47:01 PM
hunt...there is a big problem when your assists drop from 5/game to 3/game. He should have had less assists in Atlanta, where nobody could shoot, compared to now in Dallas who has good spot shooters and post players. I fully disagree with bringing Terry here--hes not a true point guard
terry would help make up for a1's scoring & he can play pg...i know he's not nash but neither is iverson (or ollie who's forced to start since a1 couldn't handle playing pg).
AI can surely handle the PG spot, hes avg'ing career highs in assists the past 2 years...exactly what this team needs to win. That any team needs for that matter. He trys to do to much, which he can do because hes a stud (the big problem here). He penetrates and dishes, something Terry is not that good at. If he was, he would have a hell of alot more assists thruout his career. Keep Terry.
Give me a PG with a great assist/TO ratio, can score 15+ and dish 8-10, hit the 3 40-45% of the time....Im a happy camper. Yes I would take Josh Howard because he will be a stud and already is turning into one down in the paint
I would love Brevin Knight here if he didnt get hurt so damn much. Boy is good
a1 failed as a pg...do you think they're starting kevin ollie because they really wanted to get him in the starting lineup? a1 averaged career highs in assists because he has the ball all the time.
i'm not saying terry is the ideal pg...he's not. neither is iverson. terry/howard is the type of deal they need to make.
why are you hosers talking rationally about this team? they suck, their general manager is an idiot, and he has full support from the stubborn chariman. there is no hope, not for at least 3 years, for this team to improve. and even at that point, billy king has not demonstrated in the least bit that he is remotley capable of building a championship contending team. this is just like ed wade and the phillies. we all knew they werent going to win with him at the helm, so whats the point. problem with the phillies is they come so long and make us believe, the sixers just plain suck and make us cringe.
it's not. and i never said he's a good point guard...i said at least he plays pg, unlike iverson who can't.
again he is iverson just with 1/100th of the talent...they play the exact same game...iverson doubles him in assists so if he cant play point what is terry...neither are point guards but iverson distributes the ball far better
besides your sentimental reasons, what good comes out of keeping iverson on this team?
not sure how to answer that...if by good you mean wins and losses then no good comes by keeping or trading iverson the team is not going to win either way...that being the case id rather watch them with iverson than jason terry and yes id rather one of my favorite athletes of all-time finsish his career with my favorite team...again with jason terry they become the ahwks...i guess if nothing else by trading iverson you become truly pathetic and get a higher draft pick...thats the one positive i can see in moving him
the only two ways you deal iverson is:
a. they get a deal that will make their team better (not gonna happen)
b. he asks to be traded
Quote from: jms246 on April 12, 2006, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 12, 2006, 04:19:06 PM
AI can surely handle the PG spot,
he's proven that he can't, you talk about assist/TO ratio? Iverson's is awful.
AI's a great player, but he can't be a productive PG.
Im talking in terms of handling it--performing the duties (ball handling skills, assists, score when necessary, getting teammates in position, etc...), not in terms of what I would like to have and what he has done. Hes a pure scorer and is a a shooting guard with a capital
SG
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 04:25:25 PM
besides your sentimental reasons, what good comes out of keeping iverson on this team?
not sure how to answer that...if by good you mean wins and losses then no good comes by keeping or trading iverson the team is not going to win either way...
i definitely mean wins or losses...that's the only thing that matters to me. and we are 100% sure they won't win if they keep iverson. they need to rebuild so i don't see any advantage in keeping iverson around an postponing things by 2 years.
and put me down for option "b".
a1 failed as a pg...do you think they're starting kevin ollie because they really wanted to get him in the starting lineup? a1 averaged career highs in assists because he has the ball all the time.
ollie plays because he can put forth a semblance of on the ball defense not because of his point guard skills
iverson has the ball all the time becasue hes one of the best players in the history of the league...check the other top scorers in the league over the past few years...guys who have the ball as much as iverson...kobe mcgrady ect...they dont drop near the dimes allen does...and again thats with a total lack of talent around him...imagine if the sixers had guys that could shoot and finish
a1 failed as a pg...do you think they're starting kevin ollie because they really wanted to get him in the starting lineup?
If i hear that name one more time, I will puke on my computer...Im better than Ollie
i definitely mean wins or losses...that's the only thing that matters to me. and we are 100% sure they won't win if they keep iverson. they need to rebuild so i don't see any advantage in keeping iverson around an postponing things by 2 years.
so thats what your argument boils down to?...they arent winning with their best player so get rid of him for terry and howard and they will win more...i dont think you understand how bad their team would be with howard and terry
it would be embarrassing beyond belief and not just that it wouldnt aid in any kind of rebuiding project
in a few years would you rather have a clean slate with iverson and webbers money off the books or would you rather have a 33 year old jason terry and josh howard leading the team?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 04:34:42 PM
i definitely mean wins or losses...that's the only thing that matters to me. and we are 100% sure they won't win if they keep iverson. they need to rebuild so i don't see any advantage in keeping iverson around an postponing things by 2 years.
so thats what your argument boils down to?...they arent winning with their best player so get rid of him for terry and howard and they will win more...i dont think you understand how bad their team would be with howard and terry
do you understand how bad this team is now?
i want a winning team, regardless of who's on the team. the current team blows so they need major changes...and nothing will change as long as the team is built around a1. that's what my argument boils down to.
terry/howard won't happen...we both know that. but something needs to be done to start the rebuilding process.
do you understand how bad this team is now?
it stinks but as bad as the team is theres a difference btwn what they are now and being the atlanta hawks
not to mention iverson is the only thing that makes this team worth watching right now
without him youre left watching jason terry do the same exact thing at a much lower level and the team winning 15 less games
Quote from: hunt on April 12, 2006, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 04:34:42 PM
i definitely mean wins or losses...that's the only thing that matters to me. and we are 100% sure they won't win if they keep iverson. they need to rebuild so i don't see any advantage in keeping iverson around an postponing things by 2 years.
so thats what your argument boils down to?...they arent winning with their best player so get rid of him for terry and howard and they will win more...i dont think you understand how bad their team would be with howard and terry
do you understand how bad this team is now?
i want a winning team, regardless of who's on the team. the current team blows so they need major changes...and nothing will change as long as the team is built around a1. that's what my argument boils down to.
terry/howard won't happen...we both know that. but something needs to be done to start the rebuilding process.
Hunt Im so glad you dont want Terry now...makes me feel a hell of alot better now.
Quote from: reese125 on April 12, 2006, 04:47:36 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 12, 2006, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2006, 04:34:42 PM
i definitely mean wins or losses...that's the only thing that matters to me. and we are 100% sure they won't win if they keep iverson. they need to rebuild so i don't see any advantage in keeping iverson around an postponing things by 2 years.
so thats what your argument boils down to?...they arent winning with their best player so get rid of him for terry and howard and they will win more...i dont think you understand how bad their team would be with howard and terry
do you understand how bad this team is now?
i want a winning team, regardless of who's on the team. the current team blows so they need major changes...and nothing will change as long as the team is built around a1. that's what my argument boils down to.
terry/howard won't happen...we both know that. but something needs to be done to start the rebuilding process.
Hunt Im so glad you dont want Terry now...makes me feel a hell of alot better now.
i'm just being realistic...it won't happen. no way the mavs break up their team after the season they're having.
btw, sixers up big at halftime.
meh.
Pacers, Bucks, Bulls, 76ers and Magic all win. Celtics were eliminated...
The 5th seed in the East is 39-39 :-D
booooooooooooooooo
looking at the schedule we will lose on friday. we really needed chicago and the others to lose tonight.
chicago plays washington on fri. lets see if washington can slwo them down.
Why does ANYONE want this team to actually make the playoffs?
iverson is playing out of his mind right now
last five games averaging 35 and 8 last two games 66 pts and 25 assists
at his size and age it is simply amazing what hes doing
Do you realize that we could of had Joe Johnson from the Suns for Dalembert when Colangelo was there, but King turned it down cause he still thinks Dalembert is Kareem. Johnson would of been huge for us on the perimeter as well as switched to PG, which rolls out AI as SG.
AI
JJ
Iggy
Webber
Hunter--??
Korver and Green off the bench
no question
jj wouldv'e been a perfect fit alongside a1. oh well, another billy king screwup.
Quote"Derreck (Veneta, OR): C'mon Jim, I know it's a touchy subject, but do you feel any vindication seeing how the Sixers have performed this year with basically the same roster as you had last season?
Jim O'Brien: I really don't think I needed to feel vindicated. We took a team that won 33 games the year before and won 43 and got them into the playoffs. What is interesting is that Billy King is starting to realize his young players are not as good as he thought they were. When we took over in Philly and he told me of his opinion of all his young players I did not agree that they were nearly as good as he thought they were. Defense is hurting them badly. We were 11th in field-goal defense last year and now they are 22nd. It is also interesting to see that the fans have turned their backs on what is happening. "
i agree with this...king overvalued korver, green & dalembert big time.
dalembert perhaps...but i still think he can turn into a theo ratliff type player with a couple more years experience
korver isnt overvalued...his contract is about right for a great three point guy...its his usage that is off...if king is dictating the minutes and role he is playing then he definitely overvalued him...i tend to believe it has more to do with them not having any guards and korver is getting the minutes he does because they dont have other options as opposed to king thinking hes better than he is
green wasnt getting huge money...tho im not 100% sure what king thinks of green...if he thinks hes a starting guard in the league then no...if hes used as instant offense off the bench then hes fine
money wise and i think thats what we are talking about in terms of overvaluing...i dont see a big problem with any of these guys unless dalembert totally flops
asking the ex-coach of the team about the situtation isn't going to necessarily lead to any truths, especially when he got canned for sucking. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
I think the team is plenty talented. They're just unenthusiastic, disinterested, and don't play together as a team. That's a huge problem with the NBA.
i meant overvalued in terms of what role king thought those guys were capable of playing....korver is not a starting caliber sf...he's a 3 point specialist. dalembert is not a force in the middle...he's an inconsistent head-case. and willie green type players are a dime a dozen in the nba.
based on king's recent comments, he's starting to realize his mistakes...let's hope he can correct them.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on April 13, 2006, 09:00:20 AM
asking the ex-coach of the team about the situtation isn't going to necessarily lead to any truths, especially when he got canned for sucking. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
I think the team is plenty talented. They're just unenthusiastic, disinterested, and don't play together as a team. That's a huge problem with the NBA.
2 things here.....Jim Obrien (who i dislike regardless), threw out some eye-opening stats, and numbers dont lie, especially when you have the same players. So there is plenty truth to what he is saying
those 3 characteristics you just spat off-- lies on the coach in a big way. Again, I dont think Cheeks is the kind of coach this team needs--the guy is simply not intimidating. These players, although they might respect him as a player and what he did for Philly, need to know the coach is going to lay down some hard discipline-which makes you play a hell of alot harder EVERY night.
it's never too early for a mock draft.
http://www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2006
i like brewer but hes kind of tweener to me...cant shoot to play the two and cant handle to play the one....rmeinds me of a lot of salmons
the sixers need a true point...which is why rondo is the clear pick if hes there
QuoteThere is little doubt that Tubby Smith evicted some of his tough
recruiting luck when Rajon Rondo fell into his lap. Originally
focused on his hometown Cardinals, Rondo didn't hesitate when the
big blue skipper came calling with a scholarship.
Rondo is a Smith player if there ever was one, a defensive hound
that changes the game with his wingspan and instincts. In his first
year, all the dynamic guard did was set the school record for steals
in a season, demonstrating that he was perhaps the quickest player
in college basketball. There are times when Rondo is on the court
that it appears he's moving a few steps faster than the rest of the
players. While for some players this could be nothing more an
interesting sidenote or even possibly a detriment, for Rondo this is
the trait that feeds all his other strengths.
Rondo's unusually long arms and giant hands, combined with his
quickness, adds up to an enormous amount of steals leading to easy
scores. In fact, Rondo's attention to defense may be his most
promising trait as a player.
The Kentucky point guard also has already displayed pro-caliber body
control, which makes him difficult to stop on the drive. Like Allen
Iverson, another speedster, Rondo uses his athleticism to create
space between himself and a defender even when he's already in the
air.
Rondo has a great demeanor for a major college point guard. Rarely
in a rush, his complete control of the ball gives him time to scan
the whole court. He is most adept on the fast break, where whomever
is trailing the play better keep his eyes open.
Rondo began his career with a penchant for the spectacular, throwing
a few too many passes away for his coaches' taste. However, as his
freshman season wore on, Rondo got better with the ball. While
competing with several other top points for a spot on the Team USA
U-21 club, the ever-improving Rondo wowed scouts and coaches with
his heady play and cool demeanor.
Rondo's offensive game is still a work in progress. While his shot
has improved, he is not ready to play in the NBA. For Rondo to take
the next step, he must become a more consistent perimeter threat. He
is hesitant to shoot unless wide open, but once defenders have to
respect his shot, it will open up the court for his very effective
dribble drive.
Early indications are that Rondo's improvement offensively has taken
leaps ands bounds. If so, scouts are sure to take notice.
The fact that he is only 6-1 (below average size for an NBA PG) also
will never be considered a feather in his cap.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 13, 2006, 07:45:12 AM
Why does ANYONE want this team to actually make the playoffs?
It still goes by record regardless. So the difference between them being the 8th seed and the first one out of the playoffs is one pick. I'd rather see them possibly steal a game or two then for them to be totally done.
i haven't seen much of rondo but my pick for the sixers would be either marcus williams or dee brown.
I'd hate to see Dee Brown in a Sixers uniform.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on April 13, 2006, 02:40:32 PM
I'd hate to see Dee Brown in a Sixers uniform.
Especially the older one now on ESPN.
i like brewer but hes kind of tweener to me...cant shoot to play the two and cant handle to play the one....rmeinds me of a lot of salmons
I think hes a lot quicker than Salmons and has a better first step, but to say he can get by the NBA guards is TBD. All we need is a penetrating PG that dishes out to the wing and can get inside. If Rondo can do it...Im all for it. If Brewer can do it, and can create mismatches with his height and drive down the lane, again Im all for it.
The problem the bad NBA teams continue to have are just that....no PG, with a quick solid handle (which Salmons by far doesnt have) who can consistently drive and dish. The sixers need that severely if AI goes.
Bill Simmons on AI for MVP:
QuoteAllen Iverson: Mortal lock to be playing somewhere else next season.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 14, 2006, 03:41:08 PM
Bill Simmons on AI for MVP:
QuoteAllen Iverson: Mortal lock to be playing somewhere else next season.
:(
If I said it's a mortal lock for us to sign Lavar Arrington, then my scenario would be more likely than his.
Season.
Over.
Have great summer.
See you at draft.
Aloha.
my prediction on their last games record is almost coming true and i was really hoping to prove myself wrong. Im sickened
Quote from: reese125 on April 14, 2006, 11:08:02 PM
my prediction on their last games record is almost coming true and i was really hoping to prove myself wrong. Im sickened
Funny how Miami sure rolled over tonight ::)
Can Miami really improve their seeding?
They could probably care less to improve their seeding...they want momentum and the Sixers are just the team to start gaining it from.
miami wasnt gonna roll over...its the difference between playing a vince carter team and a dwayne wade team...carter is the biggest sissy on the planet
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 14, 2006, 03:41:08 PM
Bill Simmons on AI for MVP:
QuoteAllen Iverson: Mortal lock to be playing somewhere else next season.
book it.
Sixers all but eliminated.
Not yet, but very close.
2 back with 2 to go and they have the tiebreaker. its offical.
with the bulls it is, but the Wizards can fall out of it.
If the Sixers, Wizard and Pacers get in a 3-way tie, the Sixers get in.
They won't get in though, but it ain't official until it's official.
oh. well thats not happening.
Pretty much.
Time to look at the draft. If we won't beat the odds, then we'll be in Randy Foye, Marcus Williams territory.
Williams is only smart to add if AI gets traded.
RAJON
RONDO!!
Lottery odds as of now:
01 = Portland
02 = Chicago (from New York)
03 = Charlotte
04 = Atlanta
05 = Toronto
06 = Boston
07 = Minnesota
08 = Golden State
09 = Houston
10 = Seattle
11 = Orlando (36-44)
12 = SIXERS (37-43)
13 = New Orleans/Oklahoma City (38-42)
14 = Utah
Well now it's official. Wizards won today.
So, does anyone really believe BK will actually find a suitor for and trade Allen Iverson?
yes
Quote from: hunt on April 17, 2006, 08:30:28 AM
yes
Yeah, but is that simply hope, or is it actual belief?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 09:50:57 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 17, 2006, 08:30:28 AM
yes
Yeah, but is that simply hope, or is it actual belief?
both.
i think he'll demand a trade so the sixers will take what they can get.
we need to dump that load of garbage webber before we move AI. we can still win with AI and a nice PG in the draft. webber just takes up space, and makes no one around him better.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/100-04162006-642168.html
QuoteSays one scout: "They've got three guys that can't guard anybody — Iverson, Webber and Korver. [Center Samuel] Dalembert gets two fouls every quarter, and how do you give him $10 million a year? That's $4 million more than Ron Artest."
bah!
Well done, Billy King. Well done.
Whatever. I'd be happy if the Sixers found a way to win an NBA title in the next few years, but if it was the one that got Philly off of the championship drought, I'd be disappointed.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 11:51:03 AM
Whatever. I'd be happy if the Sixers found a way to win an NBA title in the next few years, but if it was the one that got Philly off of the championship drought, I'd be disappointed.
I feel the same way about hockey. But you don't have to worry, it's gonna be a looooong time before the Sixers are championship contenders.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 17, 2006, 10:21:31 AM
we need to dump that load of garbage webber before we move AI. we can still win with AI and a nice PG in the draft. webber just takes up space, and makes no one around him better.
right now its even friggin harder to move Webber. Before you go and pounce on Webber--who is not the face of the franchise--just realize that regardless of Iversons will to win and phenomenal scoring expertise, he does not make any of the younger guys around him better--and its been proven now. Yes he can dish (and he better with the ball in his hands 38 out of the 48 minutes), but when guys are standing around wathing him make a play instead of reacting, theres a problem there in play and development.
Defensively, Iverson goes for the steal almost every time at the top of the key with the reach around, the defense breaks down right there, the guard gets in the lane, and a Sixer comes over and fouls because their rotation sucks (including Webber who has absoltely no lateral movement and jumping ability), no box-outs and the result is either a score or an offensive put back. This happens every single game and its awful. You know why it cant be controlled:
1) Iverson is an extremely risky player and always will be relying on his quickness
2) Webbers movement is 3x's slower now
3) our big man still has no basketball IQ and will continue--waste of that kind of salary
4) no hard discipline from the coach-which must change
Billy King got carried away with last years play of some players and thought he had something brewing. It clear as day he was wrong, over-read the players talents, and needs to rebuild from the ground up. No, we do not owe Iverson anything because he is the face of the franchise, has great will and sold seats. He didnt give us a championship, and unfortunately thats how you are judged in this city.
Perfect example is the Magic. Stevie Franchise leaves (as well as his And1 game) and all of a sudden they make the playoffs--unreal. He was a stat line all-star like Iverson for years. They are doing it with Howard, Nelson and Turk. Now they have something brewing there and for years to come.
Theres one of your prime examples Billy...read it, learn it, do it.
Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2006, 12:22:03 PM
He didnt give us a championship, and unfortunately thats how you are judged in this city.
Man, ALL of our athletes suck.
Im sure that was sarcasim at its finest Geo....and pretty sure you understand the business side of sports and why I said that?
i see your point but the magic didn't make the playoffs.
anyway, the sixers have won a grand total of one playoff series since that championship finals appearance back in 2001...time to blow it up.
Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2006, 01:07:31 PM
Im sure that was sarcasim at its finest Geo....and pretty sure you understand the business side of sports and why I said that?
That and some "mild" frustration that I'm in my mid-30s and have seen exactly 4 championships for my teams- and none since I was in middle school. :'( :boom
Quote from: hunt on April 17, 2006, 01:16:10 PM
i see your point but the magic didn't make the playoffs.
anyway, the sixers have won a grand total of one playoff series since that championship finals appearance back in 2001...time to blow it up.
Hunt, I stand corrected--thank u- and didnt realize the Bulls win against Miami logistically cut them off.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 07:22:45 AM
So, does anyone really believe BK will actually find a suitor for and trade Allen Iverson?
Sure, he'll find a suitor. The question is what will you get for him. You do the trade if you can get 2 young up and coming studs for him, but you don't do it if all you can get is a package of veterans.
Like, say, if the Bulls for whatever reason decided they want to trade you Ben Gordon because he was on the block before the deadline. Ben Gordon and a first round pick and a player that makes a lot of money for AI. That you do. I don't think the Bulls trade Gordon after the second half he had, but if they do, then you do it.
But if the best offer you get is a package like Shane Battier, Lorenzen Wright, and a pick, then you don't do that. Because nothing in that deal really helps you.
That's the thing... I think they'll have a lot of useless deals on the table, so they might as well just ride out Iverson, because they're not going to get jack crap in return for him, IMO.
My personal opinion is we'll get another offer from Denver, similiar to the one they offered us at this season's deadline.
Something like Kenyon Martin, Andre Miller, and a pick for AI and something.
That would be a bad deal for the Sixers, because there is one reason and one reason alone you trade AI. That is to rebuild. A deal like that is not a rebuilding type of deal. You get 2 aged guys, one with career injury problems and a huge contract in return. How does a deal like that help you rebuild exactly.
The only realistic deal for a veteran I would do is if the Clippers offered Elton Brand for AI. I'm not saying Elton Brand is better than AI, but Elton Brand could be a 4 that you build around. It's easier to find quality guards in the draft, than big men. So you trade AI for a quality big man and draft some guards. Marcus Williams should be around when the Sixers pick.
I don't think the Clippers would do that though. They'd probably turn around and offer you Maggette who had a very bad injury this season, and Maggette is good, but you'd be crazy to deal AI for a guy coming off an injury. AI is arguably the best Sixer in the history of a franchise. You better get a sure thing for the guy.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 03:30:21 PM
That's the thing... I think they'll have a lot of useless deals on the table, so they might as well just ride out Iverson, because they're not going to get jack crap in return for him, IMO.
that's a 3 year ride.
Oh well. Only other option is to unload him for expiring contracts and draft picks.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 03:44:04 PM
Something like Kenyon Martin, Andre Miller, and a pick for AI and something.
I think that would be a fantastic deal, the Sixers would be lucky if they got something that good. Andre Miller is a great PG, yeah I think he's 30 but big assists guys always play until they're older. And Kenyon does have some injury problems but he's only 28 i think, and at least we'd finally have a power forward with some actual power. Add a draft pick in with them and I think it's a no-brainer.
Rebuilding doesn't necessarily mean you have to have an entire team of young guys, it just means you have to change the chemistry on the team, which trading AI and getting these guys would do. I'm pretty sure Kenyon and Miller both have huge contracts anyway, so this point is moot, but you're allowed to pick up some veterans even if you're trying to 'rebuild'.
I think it would be an awful deal. Andre Miller is very good, but he's not great, and he isn't a good defender. Kenyon Martin is highly overrated. He plays good defense sometimes, but on offense he is completely one-dimensional. He has a horrible shot, and all he does is catch oops, and hasn't done that since he left Kidd.
That isn't rebuilding either. If you trade for those 2, then you are with a win now mentality, not rebuilding. You rebuild through the draft, and maybe trade for a big man to build around with the draft.
AI says he wants to stay (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5512446)
Quote"If I leave Philadelphia, it's not because I want to leave," he said. "If I get traded, then I get traded. This is where I want to be. I haven't changed at all. I'm still in love with the place. I want to be here."
He said he doesn't want to be a ring chaser like Karl Malone or Patrick Ewing, who left their identifiable franchises to try to win titles other organizations.
"I think I deserve to win a championship for everything I put in as far as trying to win one, but I'm not going to chase it," he said. "I can end my career without a championship and be happy with the effort I gave to try and win one."
King said no one is untouchable, but he wasn't going into the offseason with a plan to trade Iverson or Webber.
The only realistic deal for a veteran I would do is if the Clippers offered Elton Brand for AI. I'm not saying Elton Brand is better than AI, but Elton Brand could be a 4 that you build around.
id do that in a heartbeat...but the fact is they arent going to get near that for iverson
i wouldnt touch that miller martin trade..martin is a selfish cancer...and theres a reason andre miller is on his 3rd team
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 17, 2006, 08:55:22 PM
AI says he wants to stay (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5512446)
Quote"If I leave Philadelphia, it's not because I want to leave," he said. "If I get traded, then I get traded. This is where I want to be. I haven't changed at all. I'm still in love with the place. I want to be here."
He said he doesn't want to be a ring chaser like Karl Malone or Patrick Ewing, who left their identifiable franchises to try to win titles other organizations.
"I think I deserve to win a championship for everything I put in as far as trying to win one, but I'm not going to chase it," he said. "I can end my career without a championship and be happy with the effort I gave to try and win one."
King said no one is untouchable, but he wasn't going into the offseason with a plan to trade Iverson or Webber.
he also said this:
Quote"Yeah, I mean I want to be a Sixer," Iverson said after Monday's practice. "It's all about if the organization wants me to be here. I haven't changed about wanting to be here. Honestly, I want what's best for me. I owe a lot to the organization, so I want what's best for them as well."
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2006, 08:02:15 AM
The only realistic deal for a veteran I would do is if the Clippers offered Elton Brand for AI. I'm not saying Elton Brand is better than AI, but Elton Brand could be a 4 that you build around.
id do that in a heartbeat...but the fact is they arent going to get near that for iverson
i wouldnt touch that miller martin trade..martin is a selfish cancer...and theres a reason andre miller is on his 3rd team
yep...no way they'd get brandt. and i wouldn't do miller/martin either...i'm not sure if martin is a selfish cancer but i do know that he's injury prone and isn't worth anything close to what he's being paid.
Wait... get Iverson? I'm so confused.
I think Hunt is just quoting the latest and greatest news Patt.
yeah...i quoted another part of the same article big ed quoted. the part where a1 says he wants what's best for him....oh yeah, and also what's best for the organization. ::)
You have nothing to contribute.
that pleading is translated as, "please let me, my family and possee of 16 stay here, we dont feel like moving man. You know what a bitch it is to move? we owe so much more to this city I promise." Pack up the Uhaul Iverson
I really am just playing of course, I do love the guy and he is one of the best little men ever to play. I just wish he was a "little" different of a player and Billy King didnt have rocks in his head
if they could somehow unload webber and upgrade the pf position, i wouldn't be totally opposed to a1 staying. i know it's very unlikely but there's talk that jermaine o'neal or carlos boozer might be available. it would probably take c-webb and somebody like iggy to get o'neal but i'd consider it...indy would also make the sixers take on one of their bad contracts if they're giving up o'neal. it would take less to get boozer, obviously.
Either would I regrding AI Hunt
im on the fence with IGGY though. The problem is hes a very good perimeter defender, high flyer and stat line filler which is hard to find . But, he is completely invisible on alot of nights though, which I cant stand. He definitely needs to develop his outside jumper/game, and that includes getting past the defender on offense. He doesnt have that 1st step and gets stuck outside alot forcing him to pass--waste of clock. If we could somehow get 2 for the price of one with IGGY Im not entirely opposed
I like Oneil and he is younger, but Indy sure as hell wont build around Peja. They love Oneil and he is one of the premier post players in the league and they are playoff contenders every year. They are just a couple missing pieces away. I also think Boozer and the Jazz are coming together strong. He is a beast inside and they would be foolish to get rid of him. When he came back, their season turned around with Andre K, Okur and him.
I cant even think what decisions King will make...its very difficult to put a scenerio together
If you aren't able to deal Webber, then you can't trade AI.
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/14366345.htm
Some good insight by Phil Jasner. He has some ideas but nothing entirely too concrete for Billy King to bite off of
AI and CWebb will not start tonight and will not play. So the possible goodbye to AI will never happen. Neither of them are in the building right now according to Dei Lynam. Billy King said that neither would play because they are no longer in it and they both have injuries. But they still need to show and if they are late or don't show at all they will be fined.
And here we are 4 minutes to go and they are still not here.
Mo Cheeks was surprised and BK said he knew at shootaround that they would not play but didn't know they wouldn't show up.
...and they deserve a day off because of their stellar play and getting in the playoffs right? F-in joke
Sixers win, but apparently AI and Webber got ripped into by King, including the use of profanity....
Like they care. This team is a joke.
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 08:48:32 AM
if they could somehow unload webber and upgrade the pf position, i wouldn't be totally opposed to a1 staying.
scratch that....trade the scumbag! tonight was a joke and both of those a-holes need to go.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 18, 2006, 09:40:25 PM
Sixers win, but apparently AI and Webber got ripped into by King, including the use of profanity....
Anymore details? Did they suit up and sit on the bench?
I didn't watch any of the game
Neither did I. Well, maybe like 20 seconds while the Phils and Flyers were both on commercials.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2006, 09:48:29 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 18, 2006, 09:40:25 PM
Sixers win, but apparently AI and Webber got ripped into by King, including the use of profanity....
Anymore details? Did they suit up and sit on the bench?
no, they didn't.
webber showed up at 7:00 & a1 showed up at 7:07.
Any reasons given why?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2006, 09:52:36 PM
Any reasons given why?
because they don't care.
both guys participated in today's shootaround....at around 6:00, mo had a press conference & one of the reporters mentioned that a1 & c-webb hadn't arrived yet and asked mo if they're playing. mo left the room, came back 3 minutes later, & said they're not playing. real nice move on fan appreciation night.
Eskin using this as his own personal interview with King
What did Billy say?
I just caught the end of it. Him walking out of the PC
billy king on csn right now & he is pizzed.
sounds as if they gave a1 & c-webb the option of whether or not to play during today's shootaround...they both decided to just show up late & leave the team (and mo) hanging out to dry. they also gave the fans a big "eff you" by not even sitting on the bench on fan appreciation night.
pathetic.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 18, 2006, 09:40:25 PM
Sixers win, but apparently AI and Webber got ripped into by King, including the use of profanity....
King said "shtein will change"
uhhhh im not sure whats gonna change. hes got problem contracts and the only thing he can in return for that.....is problem contracts. banzai!!
Ok, we'll see Billy.
What can change when you have no cap room?
Salmi says that national TV networks are not allowed to shoot arrival shots of the Sixers because they are afraid that AI & CWebb will show up late because they always do and then it'll be on national TV.
Yeah, Billy. Good time to be mad now. How about nipping it in the ass earlier?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2006, 10:02:26 PM
Ok, we'll see Billy.
Salmi says that national TV networks are not allowed to shoot arrival shots of the Sixers because they are afraid that AI & CWebb will show up late because they always do and then it'll be on national TV.
hah! i just saw that. this team is a friggin joke. time to blow this ish up...cut out the cancer.
yea its time. blow it up. but its not that easy. they cant just trade iverson and webber and get expiring contracts in return. theyre both owed a ridiculous amount of money.
Quote from: MDS on April 18, 2006, 10:06:23 PM
yea its time. blow it up. but its not that easy. they cant just trade iverson and webber and get expiring contracts in return. theyre both owed a ridiculous amount of money.
i don't care who they get...those selfish a-holes need to go. they proved tonight that they do not give a shtein about the team, the coach, or the fans. i'm sure some people will come on here & try to explain away (make excuses for) what happened but there is no excuse. \
those scumbags should never wear a sixers uniform again.
theyll get another selfish icehole in return. like marbury or francis. really will it make a difference?
I'm an AI fan, but jeez...c'mon Allen.
yea i really havent cared about his a-hole antics cause most nba superstars are like that. but this is enough here. get out.
Quote from: MDS on April 18, 2006, 10:11:32 PM
theyll get another selfish icehole in return. like marbury or francis. really will it make a difference?
i don't even care at this point...it's addition by subtraction. they both showed their true colors tonight.
barkann and salmi mentioned that this isnt the first time this has happened this year. what happened the new mature ai? ha. get him out. im sick of that thug yo yo.
It's never addition by subtraction because of something as small as this.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:16:58 PM
It's never addition by subtraction because of something as small as this.
yeah, i'm sure this is the first time something like this has happened.
please...even the most loyal iverson or webber fan has to admit this was a scumbag move by guys who only care about themselves.
Here's some good news, tonight was Mo Cheek's 200 career coaching victory.
BK: "*bleep* will change next year"
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 18, 2006, 10:23:01 PM
BK: "*bleep* will change next year"
Time to go PG on your ass, Ed.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 18, 2006, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 18, 2006, 09:40:25 PM
Sixers win, but apparently AI and Webber got ripped into by King, including the use of profanity....
King said "shtein will change"
Page 53 is too far back to check :P
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:16:58 PM
It's never addition by subtraction because of something as small as this.
yeah, i'm sure this is the first time something like this has happened.
please...even the most loyal iverson or webber fan has to admit this was a scumbag move by guys who only care about themselves.
What I'm saying is, addition by subtraction is when you get rid of a bad player, and only that. Artest wasn't even addition by subtraction. Look at the Pacers, and the Kings since the deal.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 18, 2006, 10:26:10 PM
Page 53 is too far back to check :P
But I even quoted you and wrote it down *RamRod*
So whats this shtein going on now? A car registered in AI's name was pulled over, searched, and found to have weed in it?
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:16:58 PM
It's never addition by subtraction because of something as small as this.
yeah, i'm sure this is the first time something like this has happened.
please...even the most loyal iverson or webber fan has to admit this was a scumbag move by guys who only care about themselves.
What I'm saying is, addition by subtraction is when you get rid of a bad player, and only that. Artest wasn't even addition by subtraction. Look at the Pacers, and the Kings since the deal.
oh god...i'm not going to argue semantics.
all i'm saying is that iverson and webber need to go...i don't even care who they get in return. i just want them gone.
i think it wa a simple ploy by the both of them to get traded. Both are tired of the rumors and probably high fived each other in the car smoking a joint
trade em both to the hawks
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 18, 2006, 10:30:49 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 18, 2006, 10:26:10 PM
Page 53 is too far back to check :P
But I even quoted you and wrote it down *RamRod*
So whats this shtein going on now? A car registered in AI's name was pulled over, searched, and found to have weed in it?
And two .22 caliber pistols. One of them stolen.
AI has him a '05 Mustang and some other people were riding around in it. One of them a HS football star.
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:16:58 PM
It's never addition by subtraction because of something as small as this.
yeah, i'm sure this is the first time something like this has happened.
please...even the most loyal iverson or webber fan has to admit this was a scumbag move by guys who only care about themselves.
What I'm saying is, addition by subtraction is when you get rid of a bad player, and only that. Artest wasn't even addition by subtraction. Look at the Pacers, and the Kings since the deal.
oh god...i'm not going to argue semantics.
all i'm saying is that iverson and webber need to go...i don't even care who they get in return. i just want them gone.
That's fine, but you didn't word it that way. Addition by subtraction is something much different. That means after getting rid of that player you instantly become better.
Were they relatives of his?
It was a HS football star? Fits my cousins profile, unfortunately.
No, no relation to him I don't believe. They said which HS on the 6:30pm SportsNite but I forgot which one it was. Thats when they mentioned the two guns. And said that the same car was pulled over a few months ago for something as well.
But no AI relatives or him involved other than it being his car.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:16:58 PM
It's never addition by subtraction because of something as small as this.
yeah, i'm sure this is the first time something like this has happened.
please...even the most loyal iverson or webber fan has to admit this was a scumbag move by guys who only care about themselves.
What I'm saying is, addition by subtraction is when you get rid of a bad player, and only that. Artest wasn't even addition by subtraction. Look at the Pacers, and the Kings since the deal.
oh god...i'm not going to argue semantics.
all i'm saying is that iverson and webber need to go...i don't even care who they get in return. i just want them gone.
That's fine, but you didn't word it that way. Addition by subtraction is something much different. That means after getting rid of that player you instantly become better.
i know what it means...and that's exactly how i meant it.
they need to go...period. this team is better off without them.
the end.
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 18, 2006, 10:16:58 PM
It's never addition by subtraction because of something as small as this.
yeah, i'm sure this is the first time something like this has happened.
please...even the most loyal iverson or webber fan has to admit this was a scumbag move by guys who only care about themselves.
What I'm saying is, addition by subtraction is when you get rid of a bad player, and only that. Artest wasn't even addition by subtraction. Look at the Pacers, and the Kings since the deal.
oh god...i'm not going to argue semantics.
all i'm saying is that iverson and webber need to go...i don't even care who they get in return. i just want them gone.
That's fine, but you didn't word it that way. Addition by subtraction is something much different. That means after getting rid of that player you instantly become better.
i know what it means...and that's exactly how i meant it.
they need to go...period. this team is better off without them.
the end.
So if we played this entire season without AI and webber we'll have a better record than we have now?
jeezus christ...it's like banging my farging head against a wall.
they quit on their team...they need to go. stop trying to overanalyze every word. there's no way i could possibly be any clearer than i already have been.
Quote from: hunt on April 18, 2006, 10:50:57 PM
jeezus christ...it's like banging my farging head against a wall.
they quit on their team...they need to go. stop trying to overanalyze every word. there's no way i could possibly be any clearer than i already have been.
I'm confused. You want to trade Iverson and Webber right?
webber needed to never come here...hes a joke
and its clearly time for iverson to go now...but please dont anyone think they will win more than 20 games next year without him
they quit on their team
no they didnt...the game meant nothing...webber does what he always does act like a little bitch....and iverson quit on the fans...no one quit on the team...settle down skippy
QuoteTHE BLEEPING TRANSCRIPT
Here is how Sixers president Billy King responded to a pregame question about the situation with Allen Iverson and Chris Webber. He was pressed about the potential disappointment of people who came out to see what could have been Iverson's last home game as a Sixer.
"Just because Angelo [Cataldi] goes on the radio and makes it that way, just because you write it that way? I think last year people thought it could've been his last season. I think every season there is a rumor about trading Allen.
"I don't look at it as possibly his last season. I look at it as we've got a team that sucked, didn't play up to its capability and we've got to address it, and that's what I'm going to do.
"I'm not sitting here worrying about, yes, should they be here? It's going to be addressed. They're going to be fined. That's all the [bleep] I can do about it. I can't sit here and keep a stopwatch to let you guys know when they're here.
"They're not here. When they get here, they'll be late and they'll be [bleeping] fined. That's what the [bleep] I'm going to talk about. All right? Our team is not good right now. I know that, and worrying about the [bleep] that they're late or not doesn't do any [bleeping] bit of good to be sitting here worrying about it.
"We didn't make the playoffs. I've got a lot of [bleeping] work to do, and this is some [bleep] that is a distraction to me. Am I pissed off? You're goddamn right I am. Is that what you want to hear? You [bleeping] heard it.''
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2006, 08:05:58 AM
webber needed to never come here...hes a joke
and its clearly time for iverson to go now...but please dont anyone think they will win more than 20 games next year without him
they quit on their team
no they didnt...the game meant nothing...webber does what he always does act like a little bitch....and iverson quit on the fans...no one quit on the team...settle down skippy
i figured you'd try to downplay what happened. your "franchise legend" who is so loyal to the team, the fans, and the city just gave all of them a big "eff you". he's scum.
BK just shot up a notch or two in my estimation.
I know a profanity-riddled diatribe is a cheap thrill, but I'm easier than the Philly media.
figured you'd try to downplay what happened. your "franchise legend" who is so loyal to the team, the fans, and the city just gave all of them a big "eff you". he's scum.
i just said
1. he needs to go
2. he quit on the fans
how is that downplaying it?
if you think him not playing in a game vs the nets who had the latvian national team on the court for three quarters is quitting on the team then youre just being a drama queen again
he's scum
lol...like that...ill say it again settle down...have a drink of water...take a walk...its not the end of the world...unless you went to the game to see him and you were one of the fans who he spit on then why are you all disheveled over this
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2006, 08:41:38 AM
figured you'd try to downplay what happened. your "franchise legend" who is so loyal to the team, the fans, and the city just gave all of them a big "eff you". he's scum.
if you think him not playing in a game vs the nets who had the latvian national team on the court for three quarters is quitting on the team then youre just being a drama queen again
there you go again, trying to deflect the issue.
him not playing in the game is meaningless...not once did i criticize him for that. that is not even the issue.
i'm criticizing him for being a scumbag jerk.
you can tell me to settle down all day long if you'd like but it won't take away from the fact that iverson showed his true colors once again...even if refuse to see it.
The good news is that the NBA is full of scumbag jerks, so you can be pretty sure that if Iverson is traded, the Sixers will get back another guy with similarly "high" character in the deal.
there you go again, trying to deflect the issue.
him not playing in the game is meaningless...not once did i criticize him for that. that is not even the issue.
i'm criticizing him for being a scumbag jerk.
you said he quit on the team...but then you say him not playing in the game is meaningless...so which is it
again why do you care so much
im not happy with him effing the fans who came to the game in the ass..and now i wouldnt feel the least bit sorry about trading him...but is it the end of the world?
webber is the one that should be getting the most hate...he doesnt make an effort on or off the court...at least when iverson plays he gives everyone 1000%
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 08:50:01 AM
The good news is that the NBA is full of scumbag jerks, so you can be pretty sure that if Iverson is traded, the Sixers will get back another guy with similarly "high" character in the deal.
it is...but he's the cream of the scumbag jerk crop. there are only a handful of players that bad.
Quote from: hunt on April 19, 2006, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 08:50:01 AM
The good news is that the NBA is full of scumbag jerks, so you can be pretty sure that if Iverson is traded, the Sixers will get back another guy with similarly "high" character in the deal.
it is...but he's the cream of the scumbag jerk crop. there are only a handful of players that bad.
I think you're mistaken, but I guess we'll find out when we see the Sixers roster for next year.
it is...but he's the cream of the scumbag jerk crop. there are only a handful of players that bad.
lol...why because he didnt play one game...i think someone has a hard on for AI?...what has he done that ranks him as public enemy #1 in the ENTIRE league and to warrant your obsessional hate of him
take a look around the league and without even thinking i bet you could name five people ten times worse than AI..if you cant then either your AI tunnel vision has not allowed you to follow the rest of the league or you are lying to yourself to make you believe that Ai is satan himself
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2006, 08:54:27 AM
there you go again, trying to deflect the issue.
him not playing in the game is meaningless...not once did i criticize him for that. that is not even the issue.
i'm criticizing him for being a scumbag jerk.
you said he quit on the team...but then you say him not playing in the game is meaningless...so which is it
again why do you care so much
im not happy with him effing the fans who came to the game in the ass..and now i wouldnt feel the least bit sorry about trading him...but is it the end of the world?
webber is the one that should be getting the most hate...he doesnt make an effort on or off the court...at least when iverson plays he gives everyone 1000%
he quit on the team by not showing up on time and not even sitting on the bench...he is the face of the franchise. he owes it to his teammates to be there. nobody said it's the end of the world either so stop making stuff up.
i can't believe that you're trying to defend him by inferring it was okay because he plays hard when he's on the court...you must really love that a1 sack.
and yes, webber gets equal blame for what he did.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 19, 2006, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 08:50:01 AM
The good news is that the NBA is full of scumbag jerks, so you can be pretty sure that if Iverson is traded, the Sixers will get back another guy with similarly "high" character in the deal.
it is...but he's the cream of the scumbag jerk crop. there are only a handful of players that bad.
I think you're mistaken, but I guess we'll find out when we see the Sixers roster for next year.
yes, we will.
after putting up with a1 for 10 years, there's no way they'll trade him for another selfish jerkoff like starbury or someone else like that.
True. They'll probably get a high character guy who plays team basketball... and has a fraction of Iverson's talent.
iverson isnt even in the top 20 bad guys in the league...the queen is pouring on the drama extra thick today
all he does is go out and give everything he has and does it better than most people that have ever played...is he perfect of course not...but to say hes the number one worst person in the league is laughable
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 09:30:04 AM
True. They'll probably get a high character guy who plays team basketball... and has a fraction of Iverson's talent.
you & i don't know who they'll get so this is pointless. but there are some talented players who aren't a-holes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2006, 09:33:01 AM
all he does is go out and give everything he has and does it better than most people that have ever played...is he perfect of course not...but to say hes the number one worst person in the league is laughable
you must really be lovestruck...there's no other explanation for anyone sticking up for iverson after last night.
i like to consider myself one of the biggest AI fans and ill admit that what he did and webber did was just plain wrong....but u know what at this point i dont care. as much as i love AI and his play i know he isnt the best character guy nor the best personality. he slips up but for the most part he does whats right. go ahead boys get ready to jump on me and call me an AI loverboy....u know what i am. i dont care what u think but him doing what he did last night doesnt really affect me nor bother esp knowing this FO did diddly squat to help him out and ruined his prime years by getting mediocre players, signing bad contracts, and then always dumping it on him for being the reason they dont win. u may claim as fans we have to put up a lot with AI, but so does he. a lot he brings on himself but a lot is just thrown his way. the nba didnt even select him to the olympics...he still isnt in the "in" nba crowd so to speak and as mentioned b4 u can find 10 guys who r a lot worse than him.
he isnt TO as some of u would like to make it seem....cares only about himself..yeah ok then he wouldnt try to play hurt as much as he does nor comeback after every injury early. he doesnt do stuff to get media attention, infact he avoids the media so i dont get how the AI haters all of a sudden wanna paint him as TO. he never complains about money nor does he demand more. yeah he has his own problems, im not denying that but jesus using last night as an excuse to say he doesnt care about the team? the same team he is always sacrificing himself for? thats just bs. was it a dumb move on his part...yeah it was...and he should be punished for it....he will be fined and most of u guys will get ur wish of trading AI.
and while i might not mind trading him it wont be cause i think he is whats hurting our team...id be happy if he is traded to a contender and can contribute to lead them to a championship and not be a chaser like he himself alluded to. he is nowhere near ewing or the other guys who switch teams to win the big one. he can go to a average team and make them into a contender right away. if he is gone i wish him the best and hope he wins a championship cause god knows this FO did thier best to not let him.
Quote from: hunt on April 19, 2006, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 09:30:04 AM
True. They'll probably get a high character guy who plays team basketball... and has a fraction of Iverson's talent.
you & i don't know who they'll get so this is pointless. but there are some talented players who aren't a-holes.
Yeah, but why would any GM trade a guy like that for Iverson?
there's no other explanation for anyone sticking up for iverson after last night.
where did i stick up for him in regards to last night..
"he effed the fans in the ass"
"he spit on the fans"
"he should go"
yeah im really sticking up for what he did last night
youre just making up stuff now because your panties are in bunch over this guy...you should be on the view talking with those ladies about this...maybe they can make you feel better
your hero catches flack and you come back with gay jokes.
m'kay.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 10:43:34 AM
Quote from: hunt on April 19, 2006, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 09:30:04 AM
True. They'll probably get a high character guy who plays team basketball... and has a fraction of Iverson's talent.
you & i don't know who they'll get so this is pointless. but there are some talented players who aren't a-holes.
Yeah, but why would any GM trade a guy like that for Iverson?
a stupid one. it happens....kidd was traded for marbury.
iverson for a slightly less talented (hopefully younger) player who isn't an a-hole gets it done.
it's amazing how iverson is lauded as a great warrior, one of the best players ever, etc....yet everybody says they can't get anything for him in a trade.
where was the gay joke?
again...youre reaching dukes
the point is youre a drama queen with this guy and you need therapy regarding it...perhaps tea and talk with some ladies like them would be better for you...nothing gay in that at all...but you knew that and are just trying to deflect your obsession
just to be clear...iverson was a jackass for what he did last night...it was inexcusable...but he didnt quit on the team...and hes not even close to the worst human in the nba much less in the world as you would like to portray...hes not scum...ect ect ect...
the guy was a jerk last night as we all have been in our lives at 100 times or another
it's amazing how iverson is lauded as a great warrior, one of the best players ever, etc....yet everybody says they can't get anything for him in a trade.
because hes old and his game is going to fall off a cliff any year now...you need to stop painting with amazingly broad strokes...him being a warrior and his current trade value have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other
but he didnt quit on the team
ummm...yeah he did IGY.
and Im shocked that an astute sports/basketball guy like yourself can disagree otherwise--just to disagree. Regardless if he wasnt playing last night or not, the turmoil the team has gone thru, his beloved coach and the slack hes taking, amongst all the trade rumors out there, he owes it to his team (especially) and the fans to be there-- to show his true love for the team and the city...with no excuses. He chose the opposite.
Its called being a true team captain, and face of the franchise. When you dont perform with those actions, and love to choose the opposite actions---your quitting or already quit as their captain (especially the last home game). So yes, "he quit on his team"
You would never see Duncan or Garnett pull that crap...ever. Its another tiring, sad episode from AI
Quote from: reese125 on April 19, 2006, 11:19:49 AM
but he didnt quit on the team
ummm...yeah he did IGY.
and Im shocked that an astute sports/basketball guy like yourself can disagree otherwise--just to disagree.
igy worships the guy...it wouldn't surprise me if he puts on tights and one of those arm sleeves as he watches the games on tv.
but i (and everyone else) am being dramatic when i make a big deal out of what happened last night. only a hater would put blame on iverson for bailing on his team. i need therapy because i don't suck a1's sack and i call him on all his BS behavior.
yeah.
the whole thing is overblown...who farging cares, the season is over. i couldn't care less if he met with some fans.
the whole thing is overblown...who farging cares, the season is over. i couldn't care less if he met with some fans.
im in between
what he did is inexcusable and its time for him to go somewhere else...but peoples underwear is way to tight over it...i mean what if iverson doesnt get traded how stupid does everyone look
and he didnt quit on the team...the game meant less than nothing...the nets played the end of their bench for the second half...
vince carter putting his graduation over game seven of a playoff series is quitting on your team
iverson quit on the fans
i was playing ball all night, iverson didn't play in the game?
whose iverson?
louis williams looked okay last night...of course, he was guarding some stiff from slovakia but he looked pretty good on D.
Sixers lose by 10 in Charlotte and will be at least tied for the #12 pick, depending on what the NOOCH does at LA tonight....
Lottery order:
01 = Portland
02 = Chicago (from New York)
03 = Atlanta/Charlotte
04 = Atlanta/Charlotte
05 = Toronto
06 = Boston/Minnesota
07 = Boston/Minnesota
08 = Golden State/Houston
09 = Golden State/Houston
10 = Seattle
11 = Orlando
12 = NOOCH/SIXERS
13 = NOOCH/SIXERS
14 = Utah
Where do they have to be to select this Rajon Rando kid? Will #12 do it?
he will be there imo....however depending on team needs he could go earlier...id say hes in the 12-20 range
So no shot of getting really lucky and getting in the top 3?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2006, 07:35:33 PM
So no shot of getting really lucky and getting in the top 3?
they have a shot...just not a very good one.
QuoteThe 14 teams are ranked in reverse order of their regular season record and are assigned the following number of chances:
1. 250 combinations, 25% chance of receiving the #1 pick
2. 199 combinations, 19.9% chance
3. 156 combinations, 15.6% chance
4. 119 combinations, 11.9% chance
5. 88 combinations, 8.8% chance
6. 63 combinations, 6.3% chance
7. 43 combinations, 4.3% chance
8. 28 combinations, 2.8% chance
9. 17 combinations, 1.7% chance
10. 11 combinations, 1.1% chance
11. 8 combinations, 0.8% chance
12. 7 combinations, 0.7% chance
13. 6 combinations, 0.6% chance
14. 5 combinations, 0.5% chance
In the event of a tie, a simple tiebreaker (usually a coin flip) is performed to determine which team gets the better position. The combinations for the spots in question are split evenly among the tied teams with any extra pick given to the winner of the tiebreaker.
"So, you're telling me there's a chance!"
Rondo...Ill take him. Yeah, i'll take anybody at this point
and our sixers lose again.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/40141/20060421/nba_breaks_ties_for_nba_draft_2006_order_selection/
i blame iverson.
Unlucky #13 :-\
ah well....we could always draft another Dalembert type (http://nbadraft.net/profiles/mouhamedsene.asp)
QuoteHas a 7'8" wingspan
0.6% chance i like it