Sixers Season 3

MDS · April 17, 2006, 11:59:39 AM

Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 11:51:03 AM
Whatever. I'd be happy if the Sixers found a way to win an NBA title in the next few years, but if it was the one that got Philly off of the championship drought, I'd be disappointed.

I feel the same way about hockey. But you don't have to worry, it's gonna be a looooong time before the Sixers are championship contenders.

reese125 · April 17, 2006, 12:22:03 PM

Quote from: phattymatty on April 17, 2006, 10:21:31 AM
we need to dump that load of garbage webber before we move AI. we can still win with AI and a nice PG in the draft. webber just takes up space, and makes no one around him better.

right now its even friggin harder to move Webber. Before you go and pounce on Webber--who is not the face of the franchise--just realize that regardless of Iversons will to win and phenomenal scoring expertise, he does not make any of the younger guys around him better--and its been proven now. Yes he can dish (and he better with the ball in his hands 38 out of the 48 minutes), but when guys are standing around wathing him make a play instead of reacting, theres a problem there in play and development.

Defensively, Iverson goes for the steal almost every time at the top of the key with the reach around, the defense breaks down right there, the guard gets in the lane, and a Sixer comes over and fouls because their rotation sucks (including Webber who has absoltely no lateral movement and jumping ability), no box-outs and the result is either a score or an offensive put back. This happens every single game and its awful. You know why it cant be controlled:

1) Iverson is an extremely risky player and always will be relying on his quickness
2) Webbers movement is 3x's slower now
3) our big man still has no basketball IQ and will continue--waste of that kind of salary
4) no hard discipline from the coach-which must change

Billy King got carried away with last years play of some players and thought he had something brewing. It clear as day he was wrong, over-read the players talents, and needs to rebuild from the ground up. No, we do not owe Iverson anything because he is the face of the franchise, has great will and sold seats. He didnt give us a championship, and unfortunately thats how you are judged in this city.

Perfect example is the Magic. Stevie Franchise leaves (as well as his And1 game) and all of a sudden they make the playoffs--unreal. He was a stat line all-star like Iverson for years. They are doing it with Howard, Nelson and Turk. Now they have something brewing there and for years to come.

Theres one of your prime examples Billy...read it, learn it, do it.

Geowhizzer · April 17, 2006, 12:55:39 PM

Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2006, 12:22:03 PM
He didnt give us a championship, and unfortunately thats how you are judged in this city.

Man, ALL of our athletes suck.

reese125 · April 17, 2006, 01:07:31 PM

Im sure that was sarcasim at its finest Geo....and pretty sure you understand the business side of sports and why I said that?

hunt · April 17, 2006, 01:16:10 PM

i see your point but the magic didn't make the playoffs.

anyway, the sixers have won a grand total of one playoff series since that championship finals appearance back in 2001...time to blow it up.

Geowhizzer · April 17, 2006, 01:17:24 PM

Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2006, 01:07:31 PM
Im sure that was sarcasim at its finest Geo....and pretty sure you understand the business side of sports and why I said that?

That and some "mild" frustration that I'm in my mid-30s and have seen exactly 4 championships for my teams- and none since I was in middle school.

reese125 · April 17, 2006, 01:28:46 PM

Quote from: hunt on April 17, 2006, 01:16:10 PM
i see your point but the magic didn't make the playoffs.

anyway, the sixers have won a grand total of one playoff series since that championship finals appearance back in 2001...time to blow it up.

Hunt, I stand corrected--thank u- and didnt realize the Bulls win against Miami logistically cut them off.

The BIGSTUD · April 17, 2006, 02:54:42 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 07:22:45 AM
So, does anyone really believe BK will actually find a suitor for and trade Allen Iverson?

Sure, he'll find a suitor. The question is what will you get for him. You do the trade if you can get 2 young up and coming studs for him, but you don't do it if all you can get is a package of veterans.

Like, say, if the Bulls for whatever reason decided they want to trade you Ben Gordon because he was on the block before the deadline. Ben Gordon and a first round pick and a player that makes a lot of money for AI. That you do. I don't think the Bulls trade Gordon after the second half he had, but if they do, then you do it.

But if the best offer you get is a package like Shane Battier, Lorenzen Wright, and a pick, then you don't do that. Because nothing in that deal really helps you.

PoopyfaceMcGee · April 17, 2006, 03:30:21 PM

That's the thing... I think they'll have a lot of useless deals on the table, so they might as well just ride out Iverson, because they're not going to get jack crap in return for him, IMO.

The BIGSTUD · April 17, 2006, 03:44:04 PM

My personal opinion is we'll get another offer from Denver, similiar to the one they offered us at this season's deadline.

Something like Kenyon Martin, Andre Miller, and a pick for AI and something.

That would be a bad deal for the Sixers, because there is one reason and one reason alone you trade AI. That is to rebuild. A deal like that is not a rebuilding type of deal. You get 2 aged guys, one with career injury problems and a huge contract in return. How does a deal like that help you rebuild exactly.

The only realistic deal for a veteran I would do is if the Clippers offered Elton Brand for AI. I'm not saying Elton Brand is better than AI, but Elton Brand could be a 4 that you build around. It's easier to find quality guards in the draft, than big men. So you trade AI for a quality big man and draft some guards. Marcus Williams should be around when the Sixers pick.

I don't think the Clippers would do that though. They'd probably turn around and offer you Maggette who had a very bad injury this season, and Maggette is good, but you'd be crazy to deal AI for a guy coming off an injury. AI is arguably the best Sixer in the history of a franchise. You better get a sure thing for the guy.

hunt · April 17, 2006, 03:54:19 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 03:30:21 PM
That's the thing... I think they'll have a lot of useless deals on the table, so they might as well just ride out Iverson, because they're not going to get jack crap in return for him, IMO.

that's a 3 year ride.

PoopyfaceMcGee · April 17, 2006, 04:07:10 PM

Oh well. Only other option is to unload him for expiring contracts and draft picks.

phattymatty · April 17, 2006, 04:34:45 PM

Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 03:44:04 PM
Something like Kenyon Martin, Andre Miller, and a pick for AI and something.

I think that would be a fantastic deal, the Sixers would be lucky if they got something that good. Andre Miller is a great PG, yeah I think he's 30 but big assists guys always play until they're older. And Kenyon does have some injury problems but he's only 28 i think, and at least we'd finally have a power forward with some actual power. Add a draft pick in with them and I think it's a no-brainer.

Rebuilding doesn't necessarily mean you have to have an entire team of young guys, it just means you have to change the chemistry on the team, which trading AI and getting these guys would do. I'm pretty sure Kenyon and Miller both have huge contracts anyway, so this point is moot, but you're allowed to pick up some veterans even if you're trying to 'rebuild'.

The BIGSTUD · April 17, 2006, 06:47:24 PM

I think it would be an awful deal. Andre Miller is very good, but he's not great, and he isn't a good defender. Kenyon Martin is highly overrated. He plays good defense sometimes, but on offense he is completely one-dimensional. He has a horrible shot, and all he does is catch oops, and hasn't done that since he left Kidd.

That isn't rebuilding either. If you trade for those 2, then you are with a win now mentality, not rebuilding. You rebuild through the draft, and maybe trade for a big man to build around with the draft.

BigEd76 · April 17, 2006, 08:55:22 PM

AI says he wants to stay

Quote"If I leave Philadelphia, it's not because I want to leave," he said. "If I get traded, then I get traded. This is where I want to be. I haven't changed at all. I'm still in love with the place. I want to be here."

He said he doesn't want to be a ring chaser like Karl Malone or Patrick Ewing, who left their identifiable franchises to try to win titles other organizations.

"I think I deserve to win a championship for everything I put in as far as trying to win one, but I'm not going to chase it," he said. "I can end my career without a championship and be happy with the effort I gave to try and win one."

King said no one is untouchable, but he wasn't going into the offseason with a plan to trade Iverson or Webber.