Sixers Season 3

[hunt]

yeah, really...i was thrilled when i saw the bulls won.

btw, did anybody see billy king's interview on csn where he said they're going to basically "start over" this offseason and build a team built around defense? 

how's he gonna start over?  AI is tradable, but I don't think Webber is

i'm sure billy has a plan.


i'm not even sure how tradable iverson is but i hope they can come up with something...webber is nearly impossible to get rid of unless they take on longer, equally horrible contracts in return.

it's totally unrelated but in the interview, king was also talking about the trade he ALMOST pulled off with the raptors a few years back....larry hughes for t-mac and a 1st round pick.  the raps agreed to it but changed their mind the next morning.

[reese125]

getting in the lottery with a chance to steal a top ten pick>getting embarrassed by the pistons and picking 16th in the draft

Ice, outside of Reddick and Morrison--cancel them out, and maybe 2 possible others, who the hell could make a difference in this years draft for the Sixers...its god awful? I root for the Sixers for today b/cause Im a fan (even though the have no shot), surely not for friggin next years draft

[ice grillin you]

no one is gonna make a difference for them next year but rajon rondo could be their point guard of the future...anyway top ten picks are better than not top ten picks...thats generally how drafts work

as for trading iverson...why?....you arent gonna get anything for him and the sixers are not gonna be good before his contract is up anyway...so let him finish his career where he belongs in philly...

if by some chance you can strike a deal that gives you some sort of young talent then fine you gotta do it...but if youre doing it just to get rid of his contract and are gonna get some garbage in return to achieve that goal then NO

[hunt]

getting in the lottery with a chance to steal a top ten pick>getting embarrassed by the pistons and picking 16th in the draft

Ice, outside of Reddick and Morrison--cancel them out, and maybe 2 possible others, who the hell could make a difference in this years draft for the Sixers...its god awful? I root for the Sixers for today b/cause Im a fan (even though the have no shot), surely not for friggin next years draft

the sixers are so bad that just about any guy drafted in the top 10-12 would help them immediately.  when guys like ollie, salmons, korver, and undrafted white guys from duke are seeing significant minutes, you need the best possible draft pick you can get.

[reese125]

king was also talking about the trade he ALMOST pulled off with the raptors a few years back....larry hughes for t-mac and a 1st round pick.  the raps agreed to it but changed their mind the next morning.


nothing like a GM trying to portray a would of, could of, should of trade to the fans so we can say, "Man, Billy is good...he almost pulled off.......give him another shot" Work the damn phones Bill and get AI out of here

[hunt]

as for trading iverson...why?

to speed up the rebuilding process instead of waiting 2 years to start it.

[reese125]

you arent gonna get anything for him and the sixers are not gonna be good before his contract is up anyway...so let him finish his career where he belongs in philly...

if by some chance you can strike a deal that gives you some sort of young talent

a) strike while the iron is hot with AI while he has major value, not another year for the chance his knees to buckle regardless if the guy is a warrior or not

b) yes that is the big picture plan here

[ice grillin you]

to speed up the rebuilding process instead of waiting 2 years to start it.

youre assuming that they would actually get pieces to rebuild with...95% chance that wouldnt happen...

[reese125]

when guys like ollie, salmons, korver, and undrafted white guys from duke are seeing significant minutes, you need the best possible draft pick you can get.

but nobody in the draft is any better than those players you just named, with the exception of Ollie, but hes only used for defense--and like King said--enough of just adding "defensive minded" players. Get some players with attitude that play HARD defense and have the ability to score.

IMO and I love him as a person, I dont think Cheeks is the coach to instill that kind of attitude.

[ice grillin you]

but nobody in the draft is any better than those players you just named

really what does this mean?...youd rather have a low draft pick than a high one

theres 20 players in the draft better than korver right now...randolph shouldnt even be in the league....salmons ia arguable...but theres 15 players in this draft that will become much better in time

are you suggesting they not even hold a draft this year since you believe korver is better than anyone in it?

[hunt]

95% chance that wouldnt happen...

link?

youre assuming that they would actually get pieces to rebuild with...

you're assuming they wouldn't.
they obviously wouldn't trade him for garbage players with contracts longer than his...but it's not a rebuild if you keep a1 around.  he'd still be the focal point of the offense and the young guys wouldn't get a chance to develop.

[reese125]

but nobody in the draft is any better than those players you just named

really what does this mean?...youd rather have a low draft pick than a high one

theres 20 players in the draft better than korver right now...randolph shouldnt even be in the league....salmons ia arguable...but theres 15 players in this draft that will become much better in time

are you suggesting they not even hold a draft this year since you believe korver is better than anyone in it?

Yes, lets not hold a draft because Korver is the next MJ. Cmon IGY, lets get serious. Your misinterpreting my point. The talent level of those picks you mention, at the spot they are at, are one in the same. We dont know how they will develop and can even get to where Salmons is at now (which is still unknown).

Hopefully you understand, that you need a "legit" 3-point threat on the floor, obviously not the minutes that he plays though because he is a defensive liability. He is good enough, just not starter quality IMO. The other players on the Sixers and the "other 15 players in the draft"--to be determined over years in the league. No standouts to make a true difference...thats my point.

[ice grillin you]

name me a trade in the history of the salary cap era where a guy at the end of his career was traded for promising good young players...it simply doesnt happen

theres your link

not to mention youre talking about a guy that wont exactly meld into what you already have...hes not a missing piece type player he is the piece except hes a few years away from retirement...the only reason anyone would want iverson is to get their attendance up like the bulletts did with jordan...but that only lasts a couple years...no team is going to give up a good young player who in five years will be putting up numbers while iverson is out of the league...it just doesnt happen

this team cannot rebuild until webber is gone...he is a dead soldier whos money is a disease to the franchise...but unlike ai he has no franchise history and means nothing to the city and who the sixers owe nothing....wheras ai they do...you dont jettison a franchise legend just because...if anyone is to be traded for garbage its webber but that aint gonna happen either....at this point you try and get a young point guard to develop while you wait out webber and ai's contracts

of course this all changes if iverson makes it known he wants out...then all bets are off...but until now hes been super loyal to the team and city...and the team should return the loyalty...not trade him for a few scrubs

[hunt]

so you're saying they should keep a1 around for sentimental reasons.  yeah, that's a sound strategy.
btw, they owe him nothing.  if there's a trade on the table that makes the team better, they need to jump all over it.
i have a strong feeling a1 will be the one demanding to be traded so this will all be a moot point but saying they have to keep him for sentimental reasons is laughable.

[reese125]

name me a trade in the history of the salary cap era where a guy at the end of his career was traded for promising good young players...it simply doesnt happen

2003 Seattle traded Gary Payton and Desmond Mason to Milwaukee for Ray Allen, Kevin Ollie, Ronald Murray, and a 2003 first-round draft pick or two 2003 second-round draft picks.