Breaking news on WIP
Eagles released the franchise tag, and Simon is now a free agent.
I posted it first! 8)
Are you farging serious? :o
HA! I farging love it!
Don't farg with our front office.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=33818
Bye Bye Corey (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=33818)
See ya back here in 2 years when it doesn't work out with the Skins
QuoteThe Eagles announced Sunday night that they have withdrawn the franchise tag on defensive tackle Corey Simon, meaning that he is now an unrestricted free agent.
"We appreciate all that Corey has done for this organization over the last five years," said head coach Andy Reid in a statement. "With the great amount of depth and talent we have along the defensive line, we chose to give Corey an opportunity to sign with another team."
DT Simon never signed the tender that would have guaranteed him over $5 million this season
Simon, the team's first round draft pick and the No. 6 overall selection in 2000, was given the franchise tag in the offseason meaning he could not sign with another team unless that team were to surrender two first round draft picks.
By being placed on the franchise tag, which was done Feb. 10, Simon would have made the equivalent of the top five paid defensive tackles in the league in 2005 - which would have been approximately $5.1 million.
At the time the tag was placed, head coach Andy Reid was happy with that decision.
"As I said earlier this week, Corey's a good player and his personality fits very well in our locker room," said Reid in February. "He's a talented player against the pass and against the run. We're happy to take this step to keep him in Philadelphia."
However, Simon never signed the tender and did not report to any of the team's mini-camps or training camp.
There were published reports that Simon would come in the week of the season opener, but that will never be known. There were also published reports that Simon had been traded by the Eagles, but Simon and the other team involved could not agree on compensation.
In Simon's place, Darwin Walker has teamed up with Hollis Thomas as the starters at the defensive tackle position. Off the bench has been first-round draft pick Mike Patterson, who has been stellar (two sacks in the preseason).
The play of the other tackles has helped defensive coordinator Jim Johnson not worry about Simon's presence.
"I think we are playing pretty good defense right now. To say I wish Corey was not here, no I wish he was here, but he's not here and I said it before, we just move on," Johnson said. "It's an opportunity for those other guys that are playing pretty well. We are just going to see what happens with Corey. I have no idea."
In his five seasons as an Eagle, Simon amassed 270 tackles and 35 sacks. He set the rookie record for sacks with 9.5 in 2000. Simon was named to the 2004 Pro Bowl after posting 64 tackles and 7.5 sacks in the 2003 season.
If he signs with the Skins I'll slit my wrists and post a picture of it in the asian porn thread.
Quote from: Monster on August 28, 2005, 08:25:57 PM
If he signs with the Skins I'll slit my wrists and post a picture of it in the asian porn thread.
Why? I hope he does sign with them. Just another player they'll have to release in two years when he's scheduled to make a gazillion bagillion dollars.
I guess Westbrook's that much closer to getting a deal done... Lewis also.
Bye Corey.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2005, 08:27:05 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 28, 2005, 08:25:57 PM
If he signs with the Skins I'll slit my wrists and post a picture of it in the asian porn thread.
Why? I hope he does sign with them. Just another player they'll have to release in two years when he's scheduled to make a gazillion bagillion dollars.
What are you talking about. The taterskins never release a player for cap reasons. They only release guys because.... because they want too... and... because they're not "core Skins"... sheesh... don't you know anything?
So where does he sign?
The skins could use D-Linemen with talent. Who else needs a talented but questionably motivated DT?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2005, 08:27:05 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 28, 2005, 08:25:57 PM
If he signs with the Skins I'll slit my wrists and post a picture of it in the asian porn thread.
Why? I hope he does sign with them. Just another player they'll have to release in two years when he's scheduled to make a gazillion bagillion dollars.
I'm sick of the Skins getting every big name player to hit the market. They held back this year, but you know they can't resist for long.
There's still a small chance Simon return. There aren't many teams with the cap room to accomodate Simon's contract demands. If our standing offer happens to be the highest offer, he may just crawl back here.
Quote from: Larry on August 28, 2005, 08:29:46 PM
There's still a small chance Simon return. There aren't many teams with the cap room to accomodate Simon's contract demands. If our standing offer happens to be the highest offer, he may just crawl back here.
That would crack my shtein up.
At this point in the Season? Maybe Buffalo takes a shot. They should have waited another week. Maybe they heard he was actually planning to head to Philly soon. :paranoid .
Quote from: Monster on August 28, 2005, 08:29:14 PM
I'm sick of the Skins getting every big name player to hit the market. They held back this year, but you know they can't resist for long.
Why? They always suck when they get there. It's never made one bit of difference actually.
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 28, 2005, 08:31:09 PM
Why? They always suck when they get there. It's never made one bit of difference actually.
It has made a lot of difference. It has caused an unending cycle of rotating player personel that has helped us tremendously.
I don't hate it because I think they are getting better. I hate it because it's frickin annoying. They are spoiled, and I know they fail, but they fail regardless. The taterskins will always suck.
Quote from: Monster on August 28, 2005, 08:34:49 PM
I don't hate it because I think they are getting better. I hate it because it's frickin annoying. They are spoiled, and I know they fail, but they fail regardless. The taterskins will always suck.
That's the humor in it though.
taterskins want DTs that stop the run. I doubt they'll have interest in Simon.
Now the new place where old Eagles go to die is KC. I can see them overpaying for him.
So do we get his 5 million off the cap now? If so, do you think this sets up the Eagles for another move down the road? Maybe a trade for a veteran RB or WR where they'd take on more salary?
They said it was because they were satisfied with the play of their d-line without Simon in the preseason. Something tells me that statement is misleading. It's only preseason. It's hard to put that much stock into it.
Teams I think that would go after him:
Packers
taterskins
Dolphins
Seahawks
Ravens
I don't think his $5 mil was affecting the cap since he never actually signed. ???
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2005, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 28, 2005, 08:31:09 PM
Why? They always suck when they get there. It's never made one bit of difference actually.
It has made a lot of difference. It has caused an unending cycle of rotating player personel that has helped us tremendously.
That's what cracks me up about this whole thing. He had to see that we had a frickin' logjam at DT with tons of talent there. Knowing that, why the hell wouldn't he get his ass in camp to cash in on that $5 mil? It was obvious that the Eagles were content to move on without him.
The ish that annoys me is that now we're gonna have to listen to all the ESPN talking heads say that we've lost ANOTHER step, COMPLETELY ignoring that it's the deepest position on the whole damn team. :boom
Keyonta Marshall just got a big fat boner.
You don't enjoy ESPN talking down on the Eagles? I hope they talk shtein on the Eagles forever. I love being the underdog.
We get $5.1m in cap space from this move. In other words, we've double our cap space.
Chances are someone is getting an extension real soon.
Quote from: Larry on August 28, 2005, 08:49:42 PM
We get $5.1m in cap space from this move. In other words, we've double our cap space.
Chances are someone is getting an extension real soon.
Thats what I thought but PSN mentioned he never signed the tender, which I forgot about. So if the tender is never signed does it still count on the cap?
It's hard to put stock in the preseason for the fans. The coaches (that actually have coaches tape) know what they're looking at and looking for. If JJ says he's fine with the D... see ya, Simon. I think the free cap room will go to Westbrook's deal.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 28, 2005, 08:45:34 PM
I don't think his $5 mil was affecting the cap since he never actually signed. ???
It was money in limbo. They didn't have it to use since the tender was there for Simon, while at the same time it wasn't really spent for the same reason. Now, however, it's back into the cap.
Doesn't matter, they'd still earmark his franchise money towards the cap.
Imagine if we'd gone out and spend our surplus cap money, and then Simon waddles in an signs his tender. If we didn't have his cap money accounted for, that would lead to a sticky situation.
That's what I just said.
I was responding to three posts above. ;D :-X
I don't mind Simon going, just a shame that his over-self-valuing ass shot down any possibility of them getting something for him.
Someone else mentioned it, but everything I've recently read is that the Bills were interested in trading for him...so, I think that definitely is a possibility now that he's a free agent. Stupid move on his part, I don't think he's going to get near $5.1 mil elsewhere.
Amazing . . no wonder we never heard about any contract talks. . .
Hope they know what their doing
So is Kearse going to get #90 back?
My friend emailed me and he checks out other team boards. He told me like every team message board thinks they are getting Simon. He checked out a bunch of them. :-D
Quote from: Monster on August 28, 2005, 09:07:03 PM
So is Kearse going to get #90 back?
My friend emailed me and he checks out other team boards. He told me like every team message board thinks they are getting Simon. He checked out a bunch of them. :-D
Like a couple others have said... I say he ends up in Buffalo.
He's going to be more or less useless until week 4 or 5. Won't be in shape, won't know the system of the team he ends up at. I'm curious to see where he goes.
He'll either start off great and tail off or start off bad and get pretty good. He hasn't done it consistently lately.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2005, 09:16:50 PM
He's going to be more or less useless until week 4 or 5. Won't be in shape, won't know the system of the team he ends up at. I'm curious to see where he goes.
He'll probably focus on teams that have one gap DTs. That means Bucs, falcons, Jets.
Good riddance.
from this thread (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16113.0) a few days ago:
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2005, 08:41:39 AMYou don't even have to cut him. Remove the franchise tag a la Jeremiah Trotter before the 2002 season, and he's an unrestricted free agent. Honestly, if I'm the Eagles, I don't let that fat-ass steal a paycheck or a roster spot from more deserving and hard-working players.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 23, 2005, 08:48:50 AMI'm with Team Patterson. Remove the tag right before the season starts, when all the teams are full up with players and all their monies are spent. Let him find his way onto a team then. Fat and overrated DT looking for work in a job market with few vacancies, and no wealthy suitors.
I would enjoy seeing that.
Team Hollis is very happy with this decision. We are expecting a huge extension with a signing bonus of at least 5 to 6 big mac's!!
I'm bored with this already. Is it Sept 12th yet?
QuoteBut if the Eagles knew they were going to take the tag off, they should have done it sooner than this, OK? It makes it look like they waited until the last minute, right before the start of the season, just to screw with him. Maybe they feel like it limits his options. But, hey, he'll be all right."
Oh riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight and Corey was running to sign the contract, jagbag.
Exactly, he could've signed the tender up until August 27th, but his lazy ass didn't want to be in camp.
So, do the Eagles keep all four guys at the DT rotation on the bench against the Jets on Thursday, just in case? An injury to one of those guys in the last preseason game will make the FO's decision look a bit hasty.
RE: Buffalo, I wonder if he and Troy Vincent have spoken since Andy called him to tell him they were removing the tag?
Who's that quote from? And you know what, they weren' screwing with him, but even if they were, good. farg him. Playing football is YOUR JOB. Do your job. Earn your paycheck. Don't sit on your fat ass and do nothing.
They shoulda waited until after this preseason game, and played him the entire time.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2005, 09:39:14 PM
Who's that quote from? And you know what, they weren' screwing with him, but even if they were, good. farg him. Playing football is YOUR JOB. Do your job. Earn your paycheck. Don't sit on your fat ass and do nothing.
Sorry, it was from his agent:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2145502
I think it's hilarious that Maurice Clarett is getting more coverage then Simon :-D
Now that we cleared Simon's salary we can finally afford Clarett.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2005, 09:56:38 PM
Now that we cleared Simon's salary we can finally afford Clarett.
:-D
Quote from: phillymic2000 on August 28, 2005, 09:34:22 PM
QuoteBut if the Eagles knew they were going to take the tag off, they should have done it sooner than this, OK? It makes it look like they waited until the last minute, right before the start of the season, just to screw with him. Maybe they feel like it limits his options. But, hey, he'll be all right."
Oh riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight and Corey was running to sign the contract, jagbag.
Barnes is a douchebag, if Simon would have accepted the deal from the Ravens we'd have an extra 2 and 3. :deion
Good bye Corey!
If Corey thinks he is going to make more than 5 million dollars this year from any other team in the league than he's a friggin' lunatic.
Again, THE BEST offer for him was with Philly. He decided to leave that for a back ended deal that includes money that he will never see.
Hey, at least it will look good in a caption underneath a picture.
Corey really handled himself poorly this offseason. What a shame. I thought he was a classy guy.
Now we can use this money to give Perez a big contract.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on August 28, 2005, 09:31:42 PM
Team Hollis is very happy with this decision. We are expecting a huge extension with a signing bonus of at least 5 to 6 big mac's!!
Team Patterson says, "5 or 6 Big Macs? That's what we call an appetizer! What about the main course?"
Seriously, though... I'm glad the Eagles did this, and I'm surprised they didn't earlier.
I guess the next step is to see who is out there available in a couple days.
Wow, this is great. I can't wait to see this guy flounder around trying to find the money he wanted.
This is going to be Trotter part deux.
Hugh and Trotter have got to be scratching their heads. Dude was going to make 5 mil this year and had a big fat offer on the table. Dumb mother farger, and his agent's a dumbass too.
No one is going to spend that much money on him now.
Quote from: Larry on August 28, 2005, 08:49:42 PM
We get $5.1m in cap space from this move. In other words, we've double our cap space.
Chances are someone is getting an extension real soon.
Probably Westbrook and M.Lewis...
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 10:57:19 PM
No one is going to spend that much money on him now.
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Excuse me :P
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 28, 2005, 11:02:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 10:57:19 PM
No one is going to spend that much money on him now.
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Excuse me :P
Man, that would be something to see. Trotter will laugh his ass off all the way to the Super Bowl.
They could barely afford to sign their rookies, if they work out a deal with Simon I'll be shocked.
I think Akers will get an extension soon too. We were trying to extend Westbrook anyway with the money we already had. If any of this 5 million goes to extensions then it is Akers and Lewis.
Right, they had that Simon money earmarked just for Akers.
:-D
By the way, Monster? The fact that you had to point out that you made the post first?? Could you attempt to be a little less juvenile? Thanks. Good night now.
Akers and Lewis I said. Not just Akers, and they don't have to spend every dime of that money on extensions to begin with.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 11:14:40 PM
The fact that you had to point out that you made the post first?? Could you attempt to be a little less juvenile?
Yeah, like you never remind people when they post something that you already covered.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 11:14:40 PM
By the way, Monster? The fact that you had to point out that you made the post first?? Could you attempt to be a little less juvenile? Thanks. Good night now.
My irony meter just blew up.
::) :)
I like the statement that was made, but man, we should have been able to get some return on the investment on Simon. Despite his pigheadedness, he was worth something for our trouble. That is not an easy position to fill at this level of play.
Quote from: Reidme on August 29, 2005, 12:09:26 AM
I like the statement that was made, but man, we should have been able to get some return on the investment on Simon. Despite his pigheadedness, he was worth something for our trouble. That is not an easy position to fill at this level of play.
Simon's not going anywhere with his current asking price. Once he realizes that now that he's on the open market he very well may decide to lower his demands and actually resign with the Eagles. It's a longshot but I think it is a possibility. He saw what happened to Hugh and Trotter when they left in favor of big paydays so maybe he learned by watching their mistakes.
Who the heck am I kidding? A lot of athletes don't even learn from their own mistakes let alone anyone elses. See ya Corey.
His alleged level of play.
Find me a post where I make it a point to say, "I POSTED THIS FIRST!"
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 09:10:19 AM
Find me a post where I make it a point to say, "I POSTED THIS FIRST!"
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
LOL, just making a point. :P
Quote from: phattymatty on August 28, 2005, 11:56:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 11:14:40 PM
By the way, Monster? The fact that you had to point out that you made the post first?? Could you attempt to be a little less juvenile? Thanks. Good night now.
My irony meter just blew up.
:-D
It's a damn shame the Eagles couldnt get something for Simon. Yeah, obviously the cap savings are a great thing so they can extend other players. That doesnt make it any less crappy to lose your "franchise player" and get nothing in return.
Yep. It sucks. But there was nothing to get. They couldn't recoup any value on him anywhere, so it was time.
Quote from: MURP on August 29, 2005, 09:26:55 AM
It's a damn shame the Eagles couldnt get something for Simon. Yeah, obviously the cap savings are a great thing so they can extend other players. That doesnt make it any less crappy to lose your "franchise player" and get nothing in return.
Very true. But we all said the same thing RE: Trotter and the team didn't skip a beat and we all know how that worked out for everyone involved. :)
I have a hard time seeing this as the Eagles 'getting nothing' in return. Fact is that they get $5.1million in return. That money can go to extending 3 pro-bowl players. That's getting quite a bit in return if you ask me. Plus Simon isn't needed and wasn't committed. F him. Addition by subtraction.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2005, 09:48:55 AM
I have a hard time seeing this as the Eagles 'getting nothing' in return. Fact is that they get $5.1million in return. That money can go to extending 3 pro-bowl players. That's getting quite a bit in return if you ask me. Plus Simon isn't needed and wasn't committed. F him. Addition by subtraction.
Agreed completely.
what happens when hollis goes down for the year in week two
Plus Simon was an insurance policy. If Patterson hadn't shown ability, this move would've never been made.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 09:56:31 AM
what happens when hollis goes down for the year in week two
Curse you, curse you.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 09:56:31 AM
what happens when hollis goes down for the year in week two
Sam Rayburn plays more than he thought he would.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 09:56:31 AM
what happens when hollis goes down for the year in week two
OK, go ahead IGY, tell me what the Eagles SHOULD have done? Overpaid Simon and given him the 12 mil signing bonus and 6 mil a year? What would have happened when he came to the team fat and out of shape again and played like shtein (again)? Hollis was healthy last year, other than a couple of games with the elbow. He played better than Simon last year from day one to the Super Bowl.
If anyone gets hurt the team will do what it always does. Strap on a pair and win 12 games.
I hate to be a front office apologist on this, but I think this was the best decision they could have made. We've got depth, and cheap depth at that position. Simon wasn't going to be here beyond this season anyway and now we have a lot more cash to use for other things.
Simon was a good player but we've got good players to replace him. Peace out, fat man.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2005, 10:01:55 AM
If anyone gets hurt the team will do what it always does. Strap on a pair and win 12 games.
I hate to be a front office apologist on this, but I think this was the best decision they could have made. We've got depth, and cheap depth at that position. Simon wasn't going to be here beyond this season anyway and now we have a lot more cash to use for other things.
Simon was a good player but we've got good players to replace him. Peace out, fat man.
Well put. The same people who will whine and complain about this will be the same people that whined and complained and bashed the FO when Trotter, Hugh, Vincent, Taylor, Duce, etc...were all let go.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 09:10:19 AM
Find me a post where I make it a point to say, "I POSTED THIS FIRST!"
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 27, 2005, 09:55:26 AM
posted the first one already. LOL...
sheesh, you and mike both.
QuoteRe: You-Know-Who Stands To Lose $9600 Per Day; Agent Says TC Is 50/50 Shot
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2005, 07:11:07 AM »
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I posted the 50/50 article already.
About 300 more showed up in a simple search, but I don't have the time today.
Chris Mortensen was on MIKE/MIKE this morning talking about how there aren't very many teams with available cap space for Chubbs. He also said don't be surprised if he winds up in Cincy.
I think i'm giving Corey the new nickname "the human meatbox".
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 10:05:37 AM
About 300 more showed up in a simple search, but I don't have the time today.
Ha!
i would have made him play for the 5 mil this year...and then let him go next year
when you are as close as they are to a superbowl you dont go cutting very good players two weeks before the season
the tackle position is deep but its deep with average players...unless patterson as a rookie is great...which could happen i suppose...
hollis is very good but only for a limited number of plays a game...rayburn and walker while nice players are not nearly as good as simon
hollis cannot stay healthy under normal circumstances this moves adds that many more plays to his body...and when he goes down all of sudden their tackles look very suspect
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 10:05:37 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 09:10:19 AM
Find me a post where I make it a point to say, "I POSTED THIS FIRST!"
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 27, 2005, 09:55:26 AM
posted the first one already. LOL...
sheesh, you and mike both.
QuoteRe: You-Know-Who Stands To Lose $9600 Per Day; Agent Says TC Is 50/50 Shot
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I posted the 50/50 article already.
About 300 more showed up in a simple search, but I don't have the time today.
Difference is? I'm just letting the person who posted itknow that there is already a page or more full of conversation about the topic, so they can read up on it. I'm not saying it to sound like I win a prize for being first. ::) but I figured you'd be the one to actually go back and look.
Im glad they Eagles have some loot to spend on other players now, but it doesnt change the fact that they didnt get jack for their franchise player and had to let him go. yeah, the Eagles will go on and be great without him and will win the SB. But I see nothing wrong with noting that this whole thing was a disaster. Im sure the Eagles are pissed about it because if they were not trying hard as hell to get something for him they would have never held on to him for so long.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 10:07:36 AM
i would have made him play for the 5 mil this year...and then let him go next year
when you are as close as they are to a superbowl you dont go cutting very good players two weeks before the season
the tackle position is deep but its deep with average players...unless patterson as a rookie is great...which could happen...hollis is very good but only for a limited number of plays a game...rayburn and walker while nice players are not nearly as good as simon
hollis cannot stay healthy under normal circumstances this moves adds that many more plays to his body...and when he goes down all of sudden their tackles look very suspect
Guess its finally time for you to go back and root for another team.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 10:03:50 AM
Well put. The same people who will whine and complain about this will be the same people that whined and complained and bashed the FO when Trotter, Hugh, Vincent, Taylor, Duce, etc...were all let go.
IGY, so....what were your thoughts on the FO when the above moves were made?
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IGY, so....what were your thoughts on the FO when the above moves were made?
duce i was iffy on...the others all wanted ridiculous money and long years...were over the hill...or the team had a plan to cover their loss..
with simon he is easily affordable in his prime and their plan b scares me a little...im not super pissed about this but i dont see any reason they should not have kept him for this year
Quote from: MURP on August 29, 2005, 10:08:21 AMBut I see nothing wrong with noting that this whole thing was a disaster. Im sure the Eagles are pissed about it because if they were not trying hard as hell to get something for him they would have never held on to him for so long.
Nothing wrong with it at all and you're right, it's a personnel disaster. The guy could've, would've, should've...if he weren't such an ass. But he is. So there you go. I agree they must have been trying to find some way to get something for him, but clearly he's not willing to play along. If no other team would take him in a trade, the only reason I can imagine is Corey. Fat, out of football since the SB, demanding Mega Money. Who wants that?
Quote from: Diomedes on August 28, 2005, 09:31:37 PM
from this thread (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16113.0) a few days ago:
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2005, 08:41:39 AMYou don't even have to cut him. Remove the franchise tag a la Jeremiah Trotter before the 2002 season, and he's an unrestricted free agent. Honestly, if I'm the Eagles, I don't let that fat-ass steal a paycheck or a roster spot from more deserving and hard-working players.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 23, 2005, 08:48:50 AMI'm with Team Patterson. Remove the tag right before the season starts, when all the teams are full up with players and all their monies are spent. Let him find his way onto a team then. Fat and overrated DT looking for work in a job market with few vacancies, and no wealthy suitors.
I would enjoy seeing that.
Like I've said before, people should take heed when you and I actually agree on something.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 10:07:36 AM
i would have made him play for the 5 mil this year
Could the Eagles have
made him do anything? The guy refused to sign the franchise tender and I'm guessing would have held out into the season. The only thing they could have done was offer him more money than he's worth.
Don't discount Thomas and Rayburn. They started a couple of games a couple of years ago because Simon and Walker were sucking it up so much. Don't get me wrong, Simon is undoubtedly better, but not by much because of his attitude and fitness problems.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 29, 2005, 10:23:37 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 10:07:36 AM
i would have made him play for the 5 mil this year
Could the Eagles have made him do anything? The guy refused to sign the franchise tender and I'm guessing would have held out into the season. The only thing they could have done was offer him more money than he's worth.
Ding ding ding...winner.
sure, he either signs and plays or he doesnt get paid anything. See: Walter Jones.
Whatever.
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Two things:
1. Simon would certainly have signed the franchise tender before week 1. His effectiveness would have been minimal, as would his repetitions. Basically, the combination of the play of the other DT's and the reducing likelihood that he would end up actually being worth $5 million this season made this move a no-brainer. I still have no doubt he would have signed on time.
2. There is an EXCELLENT chance he will see more than $5.1m this year in signing bonus alone, so everyone pointing and laughing at Mr. Simon and his agent should probably just stuff it. However, I predict whichever team does make the investment into Corey will probably be disappointed long-term and end up cutting him as soon as it's least cap-killing to do so.
As you all know, I am 100% in favor of this move for many reasons, but don't delude yourself into believing otherwise from the above statements.
Could the Eagles have made him do anything? The guy refused to sign the franchise tender and I'm guessing would have held out into the season. The only thing they could have done was offer him more money than he's worth.
he absolutely would have come in and played...thats not even an issue...and the fact that you bring up the possibility that he wouldnt have shows that you like me are not very comfortable with this move
well, if Simon is no longer an Eagle then I'll hope he gets a massive deal and plays well so the Birds get a high comp pick for him. Unless there are any rules about comp picks and being released this late in the year.
What is the highest pick you can get for losing a free agent under the comp. pick rules? 3rd rounder?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2005, 10:44:50 AM
What is the highest pick you can get for losing a free agent under the comp. pick rules? 3rd rounder?
Yes.
Good go to Cinci. Sign a fat contract. Play well. Help my fantasy teams. Just miss the playoffs and garner us a third rounder. Then we will have gotten $5.1 million and a 3rd rounder in return for his release. Word up.
it didn't read the whole thread, but i'll throw in my opinion: bad move by the Eagles.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 10:55:39 AM
it didn't read the whole thread, but i'll throw in my opinion: bad move by the Eagles.
:-D So, what should they have done? Overpaid him?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 10:55:39 AM
it didn't read the whole thread, but i'll throw in my opinion: bad move by the Eagles.
It was a good move. Dingis.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 10:55:39 AM
it didn't read the whole thread, but i'll throw in my opinion: bad move by the Eagles.
Of course you didn't read the thread, of course you have an opinion that you think we all need to hear, and of course you think this is a bad move.
Anyone who engages you is feeding the hungry hungry hippos. This post included, so I'll stop.
When will these fargers ever learn that their worth to the Eagles is, by and large, woefully over-inflated?
Good riddance to that fat piece of shtein. :-*
PS... good luck getting anyone to pay you $5.1M this year, jackass.
:-D
I think it's a bad move only because now I have to buy a new jersey.
Anyone interested in purchasing a green #90 jersey? Worn 100s of times, but the blood and puke stains are very faint. A good collectible for any true fan.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 11:09:44 AMPS... good luck getting anyone to pay you $5.1M this year, jackass.
Once again,
FF and I agree. Someone will most certainly pay him that and more this year. He'll get a signing bonus that would make any of us set for life. It won't be half of what he thinks he's going to get, but he'll get paid somewhere.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 11:10:44 AM
I think it's a bad move only because now I have to buy a new jersey.
Anyone interested in purchasing a green #90 jersey? Worn 100s of times, but the blood and puke stains are very faint. A good collectible for any true fan.
Hang onto it. Maybe Kearse switches back to his old number. Then all you gotta do is safety pin some new letters on the back and done!!
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2005, 11:13:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 11:09:44 AMPS... good luck getting anyone to pay you $5.1M this year, jackass.
Once again, FF and I agree. Someone will most certainly pay him that and more this year. He'll get a signing bonus that would make any of us set for life. It won't be half of what he thinks he's going to get, but he'll get paid somewhere.
If that happens, he'll be knocking on AR's door in about 2 years when he's been cut for cap relief. :-D
Team cheezy-poofs is very disappointed by this move. The challenge will be for our client to sign a deal, yet still find a way to not have to participate in any training camp. Hmm...maybe give a little on the signing bonus to have a TC exemption put in the contract?
[reality]Good farging riddance, you fat overrated piece of shtein. I'd rather have one Jeremy Thornburg than 10 lazy fat-assed holdouts like you.[/reality]
C
of course, the lemmig crew attacks me. whatever Jeff and Joe tell you guys, you believe, it's unbelievable.
you have a pro-bowl calibur DT for one more year, in a year that is supposed to be a balls-out super bowl run, this is TO's last year, you are putting all your effort into this year. and you release a starting DT? yeah, that's a great move.
Quote from: Cerevant on August 29, 2005, 11:22:49 AM
[reality]Good farging riddance, you fat overrated piece of shtein. I'd rather have one Jeremy Thornburg than 10 lazy fat-assed holdouts like you.[/reality]
C
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 11:23:31 AM
of course, the lemmig crew attacks me. whatever Jeff and Joe tell you guys, you believe, it's unbelievable.
you have a pro-bowl calibur DT for one more year, in a year that is supposed to be a balls-out super bowl run, this is TO's last year, you are putting all your effort into this year. and you release a starting DT? yeah, that's a great move.
Why are you acting like a trolling jackass here, Mo?
Take it to the TATE, dude. This forum is for legitimate Eagles talk, (and Jessica Alba softcore porn) not drivel.
;)
Some people on this board should go into PR or politics - the spin doctoring and use of straw men is out of control.
First, it's funny that some are so willing to beat up on Simon for trying to negotiate the best deal for himself and protect himself against injury when he didn't have a contract and, but they welcome back TO and Westbrook with open arms even though they both tried to do the same while already under contract. Simon certainly didn't embarrass or cause rifts like TO did.
Second, the Eagles did have two options - they could have waited and let him return for the $5.1 million. In fact Simon and his agent indicated he was planning to sign this coming Friday. Third, whether or not this the Eagles made the right choice between those options remains to be seen, but stop with the saying how "great" this is. Losing a 29 year old, productive, former pro-bowl defensive tackle and getting nothing in return is never a good thing. Maybe it was the best outcome once the situation went this far, but it's far from "great."
Quote from: PhillyFan on August 29, 2005, 11:28:55 AM
In fact Simon and his agent indicated he was planning to sign this coming Friday.
You got a link to show that? Or at least something other than your speculation?
Not to mention, did you want to pay 5.1 mil for a guy who would most likely be just as fat and out of shape as he was last year?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 11:26:41 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 11:23:31 AM
of course, the lemmig crew attacks me. whatever Jeff and Joe tell you guys, you believe, it's unbelievable.
you have a pro-bowl calibur DT for one more year, in a year that is supposed to be a balls-out super bowl run, this is TO's last year, you are putting all your effort into this year. and you release a starting DT? yeah, that's a great move.
Why are you acting like a trolling jackass here, Mo?
Take it to the TATE, dude. This forum is for legitimate Eagles talk, (and Jessica Alba softcore porn) not drivel.
;)
i'm not trolling, just giving my opinon.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 11:30:16 AM
most likely be just as fat and out of shape as he was last year?
you got a link to show that?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 11:23:31 AM
of course, the lemmig crew attacks me. whatever Jeff and Joe tell you guys, you believe, it's unbelievable.
you have a pro-bowl calibur DT for one more year, in a year that is supposed to be a balls-out super bowl run, this is TO's last year, you are putting all your effort into this year. and you release a starting DT? yeah, that's a great move.
So the Eagles should cave in and meet Simon's demands? That would set a great precedent. Why bother paying Reid and Banner all that money when Lurie could let the inmates run the asylum for free? ::)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 11:31:47 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 11:23:31 AM
of course, the lemmig crew attacks me. whatever Jeff and Joe tell you guys, you believe, it's unbelievable.
you have a pro-bowl calibur DT for one more year, in a year that is supposed to be a balls-out super bowl run, this is TO's last year, you are putting all your effort into this year. and you release a starting DT? yeah, that's a great move.
So the Eagles should cave in and meet Simon's demands? That would set a great precedent. Why bother paying Reid and Banner all that money when Lurie could let the inmates run the asylum for free? ::)
what are you talking about? cave in a meet what demands? just don't take the offer off the table and let Simon play the one year.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 11:30:16 AM
most likely be just as fat and out of shape as he was last year?
you got a link to show that?
Past history and the fact that I said MOST LIKELY. The other poster said, "IN FACT".
you have a pro-bowl calibur DT for one more year, in a year that is supposed to be a balls-out super bowl run, this is TO's last year, you are putting all your effort into this year. and you release a starting DT? yeah, that's a great move.
EXACTLY
First, it's funny that some are so willing to beat up on Simon
its sickening actually..."fat piece of shtein" "bad guy" ect...corey has been nothing but class thru this whole thing and his comments yesterday after being released were more of the same...you kool aiders should be ashamed
So the Eagles should cave in and meet Simon's demands?
WTF??? he was going to play for the 5.1 mil...PERIOD...then you could have released him next year...i ask again why release a player who is the best at his position on the entire team two weeks before a superbowl run...this does not help the eagles in anyway
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 11:37:14 AM
First, it's funny that some are so willing to beat up on Simon
its sickening actually..."fat piece of shtein" "bad guy" ect...corey has been nothing but class thru this whole thing and his comments yesterday about being released were more of the same...you kool aiders should be ashamed
Simon was a fat piece of shtein since LAST YEAR, shtein for brains.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 11:23:31 AM
of course, the lemmig crew attacks me. whatever Jeff and Joe tell you guys, you believe, it's unbelievable.
you have a pro-bowl calibur DT for one more year, in a year that is supposed to be a balls-out super bowl run, this is TO's last year, you are putting all your effort into this year. and you release a starting DT? yeah, that's a great move.
When have Andy/Joe/Jeff ever attempted a 'balls-out super bowl run'? They've always thought long term and this move is no different.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 11:38:16 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 11:37:14 AM
First, it's funny that some are so willing to beat up on Simon
its sickening actually..."fat piece of shtein" "bad guy" ect...corey has been nothing but class thru this whole thing and his comments yesterday about being released were more of the same...you kool aiders should be ashamed
Simon was a fat piece of shtein since LAST YEAR, shtein for brains.
the stupid fake words just make your lame arguemnts more of a joke, just so you know
Simon was a fat piece of shtein since LAST YEAR, shtein for brains.
you must not have watched him last year...cause after he got over his foot injury and into game shape he played at a probowl level for the second half of the season and the playoffs
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2005, 11:14:59 AM
Hang onto it. Maybe Kearse switches back to his old number. Then all you gotta do is safety pin some new letters on the back and done!!
Actually thats a great idea. I'll just throw some duct tape on the back and write Kearse on it. That's a real Philly jersey.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 11:39:36 AM
Simon was a fat piece of shtein since LAST YEAR, shtein for brains.
you must not have watched him last year...cause after he got over his foot injury and into game shape he played at a probowl level for the second half of the season and the playoffs
He had a stretch of good games, yes. But he didn't have a great playoffs...certainly not Probowl level.
And Sun Mo, its called a censor that the board automatically does. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 11:41:49 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 11:39:36 AM
Simon was a fat piece of shtein since LAST YEAR, shtein for brains.
you must not have watched him last year...cause after he got over his foot injury and into game shape he played at a probowl level for the second half of the season and the playoffs
He had a stretch of good games, yes. But he didn't have a great playoffs...certainly not Probowl level.
And Sun Mo, its called a censor that the board automatically does. ::)
oh well, then i feel bad that you are unable to express your opinon without cursing
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2005, 11:14:59 AM
Hang onto it. Maybe Kearse switches back to his old number. Then all you gotta do is safety pin some new letters on the back and done!!
Actually thats a great idea. I'll just throw some duct tape on the back and write Kearse on it. That's a real Philly jersey.
I did that last year with my Ricky Watters jersey. I wrote "M. Lewis" on white fabric tape using a green Sharpie.
:-D
Here's the problem. No matter what the Eagles are going to carry 5 DTs including Hollis. So if Hollis goes down, they are going to be in a bind. With Simon, people will say "We should have kept Grasmanis or Marshall". Without Simon, people will say "we should have kept Corey." Injuries suck.
What also sucks is having a deep roster... If the Front Office didn't think Marshall would make it through waivers to the practice squad, then they keep Marshall on the roster as a hedge against Thomas.
5.1 million is not to be taken lightly, especially if Lewis and Westbrook sign long term deals before the year is out.
bluto
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 10:07:36 AM
i would have made him play for the 5 mil this year...and then let him go next year
when you are as close as they are to a superbowl you dont go cutting very good players two weeks before the season
the tackle position is deep but its deep with average players...unless patterson as a rookie is great...which could happen i suppose...
hollis is very good but only for a limited number of plays a game...rayburn and walker while nice players are not nearly as good as simon
hollis cannot stay healthy under normal circumstances this moves adds that many more plays to his body...and when he goes down all of sudden their tackles look very suspect
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 11:37:14 AM
First, it's funny that some are so willing to beat up on Simon
its sickening actually..."fat piece of shtein" "bad guy" ect...corey has been nothing but class thru this whole thing and his comments yesterday after being released were more of the same...you kool aiders should be ashamed
I have to agree with you & am surprised to see so many people attacking him, when he's tried to keep this from being a heated, public battle. Of course he could have painted "F*** Andy" on his balls with green paint & walked around City Hall & it still wouldn't get as much attention as TO being excused from the carnival.
Unless his 5.1 million gets applied to somehow improving this team either through extensions or new signings, I'm going to have to question it also.
I quit this thread. Have fun with the hungry hungry hippos.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 29, 2005, 11:47:41 AM
Unless his 5.1 million gets applied to somehow improving this team either through extensions or new signings, I'm going to have to question it also.
Thats exactly my thinking. If we use the money to wrap up Westbrook or solidy a few positions for this year, it's worth it.
If we did it just to prove the point that our FO are "cap geniuses," and just let it sit there, it's a stupid move, no reason for Simon not to be on the field.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2005, 11:49:02 AM
I quit this thread. Have fun with the hungry hungry hippos.
yeah, that makes sense, quit when good legitimate points are brought up against your arguement
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Nah, you just suck. I'm bored of your schtick already.
while I'm also done with this thread, i guess i'll have to replace Simon in the above graphic with Simoneau.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2005, 11:51:23 AM
Nah, you just suck. I'm bored of your schtick already.
more intelligent counter arguments to why releasing Simon is a bad move. were you on a debate team or something?
my schtick? you mean being right? yeah, sometimes I get bored with that too.
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This is seriously déjà vu. So many people went to TOWN on the Eagles' front office for letting Trotter loose of the franchise tag without getting anything in return. After only a couple of years, it was proved that Trotter has over-valued himself, and he came back with his tail between his legs. Simon didn't know how good he had it here and how fair the $5.1 million was, so he decided to do his usual sitting-on-his-ass-as-long-as-possible routine. Problem for him is that the DT's that actually showed are playing great, and they are in better shape (except for Marshall, probably), and they are cheaper. So, he's not worth $5.1 million in real money in 2005.
I don't understand how anyone who watches every Eagles game closely could think that Simon can't be replaced fairly easily. He disappears for whole games, and it's not only when he's double-teamed or up against good offensive lines. His talent is top-notch, but his conditioning is sub-par.
I have an "innate ability" to point out whiners that like to see themselves post. Sun_Mo and IGY are those guys.
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Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2005, 11:54:49 AM
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Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 11:56:03 AM
This is seriously déjà vu. So many people went to TOWN on the Eagles' front office for letting Trotter loose of the franchise tag without getting anything in return. After only a couple of years, it was proved that Trotter has over-valued himself, and he came back with his tail between his legs. Simon didn't know how good he had it here and how fair the $5.1 million was, so he decided to do his usual sitting-on-his-ass-as-long-as-possible routine. Problem for him is that the DT's that actually showed are playing great, and they are in better shape (except for Marshall, probably), and they are cheaper. So, he's not worth $5.1 million in real money in 2005.
I don't understand how anyone who watches every Eagles game closely could think that Simon can't be replaced fairly easily. He disappears for whole games, and it's not only when he's double-teamed or up against good offensive lines. His talent is top-notch, but his conditioning is sub-par.
I have an "innate ability" to point out whiners that like to see themselves post. Sun_Mo and IGY are those guys.
i love how you resort to personal attacks when you can't combat with facts and reason
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2005, 11:14:59 AM
Hang onto it. Maybe Kearse switches back to his old number. Then all you gotta do is safety pin some new letters on the back and done!!
Actually thats a great idea. I'll just throw some duct tape on the back and write Kearse on it. That's a real Philly jersey.
I did that last year with my Ricky Watters jersey. I wrote "M. Lewis" on white fabric tape using a green Sharpie.
:-D
Damn. That's ghetto. :-D
I'll feel bad for all the people with #93 Kearse jersey's if he takes back his old #90.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 29, 2005, 12:06:22 PM
I'll feel bad for all the people with #93 Kearse jersey's if he takes back his old #90.
:'(
shtein, MURP has a Simon jersey. He's going to end up with a Kearse #90 and I'll be shtein out of luck.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 11:56:03 AM
This is seriously déjà vu. So many people went to TOWN on the Eagles' front office for letting Trotter loose of the franchise tag without getting anything in return. After only a couple of years, it was proved that Trotter has over-valued himself, and he came back with his tail between his legs. Simon didn't know how good he had it here and how fair the $5.1 million was, so he decided to do his usual sitting-on-his-ass-as-long-as-possible routine. Problem for him is that the DT's that actually showed are playing great, and they are in better shape (except for Marshall, probably), and they are cheaper. So, he's not worth $5.1 million in real money in 2005.
I don't understand how anyone who watches every Eagles game closely could think that Simon can't be replaced fairly easily. He disappears for whole games, and it's not only when he's double-teamed or up against good offensive lines. His talent is top-notch, but his conditioning is sub-par.
I have an "innate ability" to point out whiners that like to see themselves post. Sun_Mo and IGY are those guys.
i love how you resort to personal attacks when you can't combat with facts and reason
See above
bolded comments, which I will explain for those of you that weren't paying attention below.
Facts:
1. Simon has not shown a propensity to keep himself in "football shape". Last season, he peaked in the middle of the season after warming up into shape and disappeared into the playoffs as his poor conditioning caught up with him.
2. Keeping Simon on the team would mean telling Darwin Walker, Hollis Thomas, Mike Patterson, or Sam Rayburn that they aren't deserving to be on the team's regular DT rotation (the 5th DT is inactive). All 4 have given reasons in this pre-season and/or in previous seasons to prove they are worthy of playing time.
3. $5.1 million is a lot of cap money for one year and a lot of real money for a player that will likely only be in football shape for no more than slightly over half the season.
Frankly, unlike some others, I would even consider contending that putting that money in Lurie's pocket and not using it for anything else would be a BETTER use for it. But with that said, I'm sure the Eagles will use a good chunk of it as a signing bonus (in roster bonus form) for a more deserving player... likely Westbrook and/or Akers and/or Michael Lewis.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 10:31:23 AM
Could the Eagles have made him do anything? The guy refused to sign the franchise tender and I'm guessing would have held out into the season. The only thing they could have done was offer him more money than he's worth.
he absolutely would have come in and played...thats not even an issue...and the fact that you bring up the possibility that he wouldnt have shows that you like me are not very comfortable with this move
I'm not really uncomfortable with the the move either. The more above average to good players a team has, the better off they are, but the Eagles do benefit from depth at this position.
The only problem I ever had with Simon is he only played hard when he wanted to a la Randy Moss. As good as he's been, he wasn't showing the consistent effort that everybody fortunate to be in the NFL should.
GET DARRELL RUSSELL!!!!!
Nice post Fred. Let's give the money to TO. At least he showed up to camp on time and in shape. :paranoid
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 29, 2005, 12:08:06 PM
The only problem I ever had with Simon is he only played hard when he wanted to a la Randy Moss. As good as he's been, he wasn't showing the consistent effort that everybody fortunate to be in the NFL should.
**DING, DING, DING!!**
Anyone who thinks otherwise does not watch enough games or does not pay enough close attention when they do.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 12:09:40 PM
Nice post Fred. Let's give the money to TO. At least he showed up to camp on time and in shape. :paranoid
T.O.
is more deserving some of that money than is Simon.
He shouldn't and won't see any of it, but he makes a difference in every game and in mostly every play in which he is on the field. T.O. is an outright superstar and difference-maker. Simon is not.
I don't understand how anyone doesn't get the fact that Carlos is going to get the extra money.
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move. :yay
Quote from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 12:16:25 PM
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move. :yay
Sign Westbrook, extend Lewis....if/when those 2 things happen, will that still be nothing?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 11:37:14 AM
you have a pro-bowl calibur DT for one more year, in a year that is supposed to be a balls-out super bowl run, this is TO's last year, you are putting all your effort into this year. and you release a starting DT? yeah, that's a great move.
EXACTLY
As has been pointed out, the Eagles never go "balls-out". They play one game at a time.
QuoteFirst, it's funny that some are so willing to beat up on Simon
its sickening actually..."fat piece of shtein" "bad guy" ect...corey has been nothing but class thru this whole thing and his comments yesterday after being released were more of the same...you kool aiders should be ashamed
Let's take a look at his stellar career - his stats have declined every year (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187398) since his rookie campaign. He held out last year and "got off to a slow start (he didn't register a full sack until Week 12) after showing up out of shape. " (NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8715989)). His stats for the year are almost identical to Sam Rayburn - Simon had a half sack and 4 more tackles than him. Anyone calling Rayburn a Pro Bowler?
Still, the Eagles franchise him, offering more money this season than any sane team would, yet he still holds out because he believes the Eagles don't see his true value. Of course, teams willing to trade for him aren't willing to pay what he thinks he's worth either...
Westbrook was an ass for holding out. It gained him nothing, and extended the time it would take to get his extension negotiated. Now he is doing the right thing, and he'll get his pay day if he isn't too in love with himself.
As for TO - I've said before that the Eagles must make an example of him, or the concept of a contract goes right out the window. Don't like your contract? Want to be a free agent? Just go whine to the press. No, the Eagles have put their foot down, and it will end here.
C
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 12:18:59 PM
Quote from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 12:16:25 PM
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move. :yay
Sign Westbrook, extend Lewis....if/when those 2 things happen, will that still be nothing?
technically yes. because there werent any really telling signs that the eagles would not have been able to do both even if simon was still here.
you can even go as far to say that the cap management armor took a hit in thhat they needed to cut ties with simon in order to sign westbrook and lewis.
I am amazed at how many of you people think that every player should just keep their mouth shut and accept whatever a team is willing to give him.
You wouldn't be mad if a co-worker who was much less important to your company got paid more? Well NFL players are in a position where they can try to get more, where most of us can't do that as easily.
I don't think Corey deserves what he was asking for either, but I don't blame anyone for trying.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 29, 2005, 12:22:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 12:18:59 PM
Quote from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 12:16:25 PM
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move. :yay
Sign Westbrook, extend Lewis....if/when those 2 things happen, will that still be nothing?
technically yes. because there werent any really telling signs that the eagles would not have been able to do both even if simon was still here.
you can even go as far to say that the cap management armor took a hit in thhat they needed to cut ties with simon in order to sign westbrook and lewis.
Well, keep in mind the talks about possibly signing a vet WR and/or RB. Those are things they didn't think they were going to need until recently.
Shifting money from a position that is amply supplied and then outlaying it to two guys (Westbrook & Lewis) who've proven to me more valuable than Simon is hardly nothing.
I'm assuming that's what the Eagles have in mind here.
If I'm wrong about that, I'll gladly eat crow.
:-\
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 12:24:17 PM
I don't think Corey deserves what he was asking for either, but I don't blame anyone for trying.
I don't blame them either, but I can laugh at them when they're setting themselves up to fail.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 12:18:59 PM
Quote from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 12:16:25 PM
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move. :yay
Sign Westbrook, extend Lewis....if/when those 2 things happen, will that still be nothing?
yes. those guys are already on the team.
if releasing simon is the ONLY WAY they could possibly afford to extend westbrook & lewis, then i'd have to think about it....but i'm not convinced that's the case.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 12:25:41 PM
Shifting money from a position that is amply supplied and then outlaying it to two guys (Westbrook & Lewis) who've proven to me more valuable than Simon is hardly nothing.
I'm assuming that's what the Eagles have in mind here.
IF that happens, I like the move too. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they didn't give that money to either of them.
What's the big deal here?
Look, I used to defend Simon like crazy when people would call him useless and everything else in the book. But last year told me a lot about him. If you are entering a contract year then shouldn't you be motivated to prove you are worth the big money?
Simon wasn't. He was not worth a thing in the first 8 weeks of the season because he needed to miss some training camp for "personal reasons" that coincidentally came after he rejected the Eagles final offer to him.
Look guys, the Eagles offered Corey Simon a 5 YEAR CONTRACT WORTH $34M WITH A $9M SIGNING BONUS in 2003 and him and Roosevelt Barnes rejected it.
That is more than a fair deal and comparable to what Carolina gave Kris Jenkins and to what Tampa gave Booger McFarland.
But he wanted more. And honestly, did he look like he deserved to be one of, if not the highest paid DT in the game to you guys? Not to me he didn't.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 12:24:17 PM
You wouldn't be mad if a co-worker who was much less important to you got paid more?
(more money = more than the Eagles offered in their contract extension talks)
Which Philadelphia Eagle making more money than Simon is not more important to the team?
Which NFL team offered to pay Simon what he thinks he's worth?
Which NFL DT had worse stats than Simon while making more money?
My problem is that he has no basis for his demands, and has shown nothing to indicate that he would be worth even what the Eagles offered? Why take the risk on a player whose career is obviously going downhill? (see my previous post)
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Quote from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 12:16:25 PM
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move. :yay
We didn't
have Simon. We had exclusive rights to negotiation with him for a while, but we didn't even have that recently because negotiation on a long-term deal
could not commence until he signed the tender. The said "exclusive rights" were not worth a penny or a pick because of his contract demands. When it became apparent that he was not going to be worth the contract on the table for him, it was taken off the table.
Simon was traded for $5.1 million of real money. Again, I will say that I think the money would be better used to buy Christina Lurie a new face than on Corey Simon. Luckily for those that don't believe that, I think most of it WILL be used on new contracts for excellent, hard-working Eagles players.
phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me. they had him for 5 million, this year. this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl. they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem.
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it. but right now, i just think it's a bad move.
i don't think anyone here is advocating giving simon what he's asking for long-term...all i'm saying is why not keep the guy for this year if you're really trying to win the super bowl. simon doesn't suck...he's been a starter on this team his entire career. unless they spend that $5 mill to improve the team, they just gave away a starter for nothing & made the team worse...in a year where they're trying to take that next step & win the super bowl.
Quote from: Cerevant on August 29, 2005, 12:32:18 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 12:24:17 PM
You wouldn't be mad if a co-worker who was much less important to you got paid more?
(more money = more than the Eagles offered in their contract extension talks)
Which Philadelphia Eagle making more money than Simon is not more important to the team?
I'm agreeing that Corey's demands are ridiculous and undeserved. They should have re-upped Westbrook though. And if they do that now I'll be happy.
I just think that too many people on here praise the FO too much and it's kind of sickening.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 12:16:25 PM
yay...giving simon away for nothing is pure genius. great move. :yay
We didn't have Simon.
it was widely known that simon was going to report before the 1st regular season game...they did have him.
The fact of the matter here is that Corey thought he could sit at home and chill. But Mike Patterson stole his job.
If Patterson does not play well in camp or the PS, Simon stays.
But he was expendable because of Mike Patterson. No other way to frame it.
And IGY, come on, bro. Spare me with the "what if Hollis gets hurt" stuff. Any one of those 53 guys is liable to get hurt. Sure Hollis loves to get injured, but DT is a deep position. They rotate and keep guys fresh.
What if Donovan got hurt?
What if Westbrook got hurt?
I could go on. But to lose Corey Simon...I'm not worried about it. And I'll probably be painted as drinking Jeffrey and Joe's Kool-Aid, but I will trust Jim Johnson.
Johnson tells it like it is, does he not? He says the DTs can get it done.
bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.
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Johnson tells it like it is, does he not? He says the DTs can get it done.
i used to think that too, but the whole Simoneau thing has made me not believe him as much.
Meh, the guys at DT will be fine as is. W/O Simon. He gave us a few good years, and we get 5MM in the till for him. I'm OK with it.
We certainly got more out of Corey than some of our other first rounders..... (freddie sux).
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me. they had him for 5 million, this year. this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl. they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem.
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it. but right now, i just think it's a bad move.
THE EAGLES WANTED HIM BACK AND WERE WILLING TO PAY HIM $5.1 MILLION YET HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL. How long should they have to wait?
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 12:24:17 PM
I am amazed at how many of you people think that every player should just keep their mouth shut and accept whatever a team is willing to give him.
You wouldn't be mad if a co-worker who was much less important to your company got paid more? Well NFL players are in a position where they can try to get more, where most of us can't do that as easily.
I don't think Corey deserves what he was asking for either, but I don't blame anyone for trying.
I don't blame him for trying either. I don't blame TO for trying. But when it came down to it, TO still showed up and Simon chose not to. Simon opted to hold out for more money and now he doesn't have a job. For every action there is an equal or opposite reaction.
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year
this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move
westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time
trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade
its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs
Simon wasn't on the team's plans this year:
If the FO had their druthers, Simon would've been traded for draft picks long ago. That was the ultimate goal; but too bad it takes 3 to tango.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:37:39 PM
bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.
I respect your opinion. But I think they will be fine.
Simon was invisible for most of last year. DT is not a position where rookies have a huge adjustment period from college to pros like other spots so I think that Patterson can and will fill in just fine for him.
Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?
If this was a team that had a questionable defense I might be on your side of this argument, Mo. But this D is no slouch, bro.
One other thing I would like to point out...
You do realize that when he came back to the team he was likely going to be a rotation player, right? It was not even known whether he would've re-gained his starting position. Jim Johnson/Andy Reid could've very well reduced his PT because of the prolonged holdout and with how well the defense is performing.
So yeah, if this defense was a sieve I'd be lamenting the loss of Simon. But it's not.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year
this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move
westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time
trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade
its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs
You need a beer man. C'mon, I'll buy you a Whine-a-kin.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 29, 2005, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me. they had him for 5 million, this year. this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl. they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem.
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it. but right now, i just think it's a bad move.
THE EAGLES WANTED HIM BACK AND WERE WILLING TO PAY HIM $5.1 MILLION YET HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL. How long should they have to wait?
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year
this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move
westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time
trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade
its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs
Are you absolutely sure you're not a taterskins fan? It would seem to me that your ideal team would be one run exactly like the taterskins and somehow getting the results of the Patriots. I think you need to leave your dream world.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year
this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move
westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time
trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade
its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs
Those cult leaders have been a helluva lot more right than wrong, have they not?
They've missed on a few, but they have hit on WAY more. You cannot deny that. I'm not going to rehash the discussions that were had all over when BMitch was let go. Or when Bobby and Troy were let go. Or when...you get my point.
What you are failing to see is that Simon was not just interested in THIS YEAR. He wanted a LONG TERM CONTRACT!!!
That is why he did not sign the tender. This year and that $5.1M meant nothing to him. Nothing whatsoever. If it did, he would've signed it and gotten to camp like Alexnader and James did.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:37:10 PM
Spare me with the "what if Hollis gets hurt" stuff. Any one of those 53 guys is liable to get hurt. Sure Hollis loves to get injured, but DT is a deep position. They rotate and keep guys fresh.
What if Donovan got hurt?
What if Westbrook got hurt?
in light of that revelation the best move would be to start resting all the starters until the NFCCG.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:37:10 PMJohnson tells it like it is, does he not?
unless he's talking about simoneau ;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs
these thoughts have been on the board before you even joined up.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem.
Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?
Player Team G Ints Yds LG TDs FF Rec TDs Pdef Scks SFTY Cmb Tck Solo Ast
Shaun Rogers DET 16 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 5 4 0 68 48.0 40 20
La'Roi Glover DAL 16 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 7 0 41 32.0 26 9
Kevin Williams MIN 16 1 7 7 0 2 3 1 8 12 0 70 53.0 43 17
Corey Simon PHI 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5.5 0 32 26.0 24 6Give me a break ::)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year
this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move
westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time
trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade
its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs
You need a beer man. C'mon, I'll buy you a Whine-a-kin.
And then i'll buy you a Waaburger and some French Cries!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell
your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:37:39 PM
bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.
I respect your opinion. But I think they will be fine.
Simon was invisible for most of last year. DT is not a position where rookies have a huge adjustment period from college to pros like other spots so I think that Patterson can and will fill in just fine for him.
Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?
If this was a team that had a questionable defense I might be on your side of this argument, Mo. But this D is no slouch, bro.
One other thing I would like to point out...
You do realize that when he came back to the team he was likely going to be a rotation player, right? It was not even known whether he would've re-gained his starting position. Jim Johnson/Andy Reid could've very well reduced his PT because of the prolonged holdout and with how well the defense is performing.
So yeah, if this defense was a sieve I'd be lamenting the loss of Simon. But it's not.
i agree, the defense is going to be great. but having Simon could do nothing but help.
we'll see, maybe the run D will be a lot better this year without him. but Hollis has a strong history of getting hurt, so does Grassmanis. hopefully taking a very good player out of that DT rotation will not lead to the DTs getting worn down later in the year.
On a happier note, Mike Patterson p\/\/nZ all of j00.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 29, 2005, 12:50:04 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year
this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move
westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time
trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade
its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs
You need a beer man. C'mon, I'll buy you a Whine-a-kin.
And then i'll buy you a Waaburger and some French Cries!
I need to go to the hospitol. Can someone please call a Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance?
Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?
he possibly could and that would help ease this a lot more...but what if he simply isnt as good as they think...or when the real games start hes overmatched..or hits a rookie wall late in the season and is null and void for the playoffs...simon is a huge insuarnce policy for if this were to happen or hollis gets his annual injury...an expensive one at 5 mil...but its just for this year
other than pattersons potential i dont see a tackle on this roster that does much for me...taking simon out is akin to taking a number one starter out of a rotation...now all of sudden your ace is a number 2 or 3 ect...and perhaps you may not think its that big of a deal but theres a fine line between winning a superbowl and not winning a superbowl...its not as if the eagles were 8-8 last year and are trying to make the playoffs...this is much bigger than that and the birds should be treating it as such...not releasing key players on their team two weeks before the season so they can possibly lock up a guy for future seasons...when in fact that could easily be done after they win the superbowl
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 29, 2005, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.
if you knew the rules of FA you could be a little better in this conversation. he wasn't holding out, because he wasn't under contract, he hadn't signed yet, so yes, he does make the rules in that situation. any team could've signed him anytime, but would've had to give the Eagles compensation.
and stop comparing what happens at real life working situations to what happens in the NFL. they aren't even close to being comparable.
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 29, 2005, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.
yeah, because the nfl works the same way as a "regular" job does. :-D
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 29, 2005, 12:50:05 PM
Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.
Hooray! Someone gets it! Football is Corey Simon's job. He works for the Philadelphia Eagles. His bosses said, 'Hey, we'll pay you like a superstar for a year. All you have to do is come to work.' He said, 'Let me think on it for a few months while other people audition for my job.'
The audition's over. And while he was thinking, our meat and potatoes tackles proved that they could do Corey's job for less money. I'm pretty sure any manager in any industry would have made the exact same decision.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:37:39 PM
bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.
I respect your opinion. But I think they will be fine.
Simon was invisible for most of last year. DT is not a position where rookies have a huge adjustment period from college to pros like other spots so I think that Patterson can and will fill in just fine for him.
Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?
If this was a team that had a questionable defense I might be on your side of this argument, Mo. But this D is no slouch, bro.
One other thing I would like to point out...
You do realize that when he came back to the team he was likely going to be a rotation player, right? It was not even known whether he would've re-gained his starting position. Jim Johnson/Andy Reid could've very well reduced his PT because of the prolonged holdout and with how well the defense is performing.
So yeah, if this defense was a sieve I'd be lamenting the loss of Simon. But it's not.
i agree, the defense is going to be great. but having Simon could do nothing but help.
we'll see, maybe the run D will be a lot better this year without him. but Hollis has a strong history of getting hurt, so does Grassmanis. hopefully taking a very good player out of that DT rotation will not lead to the DTs getting worn down later in the year.
To be honest, I think the defense will not be on the field as much as in years past and will not have to be worn down.
Potent offense = big leads
Opposing teams throwing to catch up vs. this defense = short drives
If they need to activate Keyonta Marshall to help absorb some reps, they'll do that. Or they can just go see Tom Heckert and whatever magic bottle he has in his office where he plucks good players out of nowhere and get a good rotation-type DT who doesn't have to be a star but just be solid.
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Quote from: TexasEagle on August 29, 2005, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.
yeah, because the nfl works the same way as a "regular" job does. :-D
A job is a job. You do what you're hired to do or you lose your job. This is such a hard concept to grasp I know. You might not like the comparison, but that doesn't invalidate it. The players don't make the rules, the teams and the front offices do while the current CBA remains. If the team says show up and do your job or we get rid of you, that's no different than a "regular" job. The difference comes with the monetary compensation, not when it comes to doing your job. Freakin' morons around here sometimes, I swear.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
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Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me. they had him for 5 million, this year. this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl. they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem.
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it. but right now, i just think it's a bad move.
THE EAGLES WANTED HIM BACK AND WERE WILLING TO PAY HIM $5.1 MILLION YET HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL. How long should they have to wait?
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
When did he say that? Have a link/quote? I think that was second hand info/speculation.
And like TE said, why does Corey get to make his own rules? The Eagles were willing to pay him $5.1 million yet he's gonna dictate to them when he shows? Sorry, that's not the way things work. He had plenty of time to make his decision.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 29, 2005, 01:01:14 PM
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Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me. they had him for 5 million, this year. this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl. they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem.
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it. but right now, i just think it's a bad move.
THE EAGLES WANTED HIM BACK AND WERE WILLING TO PAY HIM $5.1 MILLION YET HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL. How long should they have to wait?
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
When did he say that? Have a link/quote? I think that was second hand info/speculation.
And like TE said, why does Corey get to make his own rules? The Eagles were willing to pay him $5.1 million yet he's gonna dictate to them when he shows? Sorry, that's not the way things work. He had plenty of time to make his decision.
ok, you can have principles, i'd rather have hte best defense possible.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:56:41 PM
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:37:39 PM
bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.
I respect your opinion. But I think they will be fine.
Simon was invisible for most of last year. DT is not a position where rookies have a huge adjustment period from college to pros like other spots so I think that Patterson can and will fill in just fine for him.
Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?
If this was a team that had a questionable defense I might be on your side of this argument, Mo. But this D is no slouch, bro.
One other thing I would like to point out...
You do realize that when he came back to the team he was likely going to be a rotation player, right? It was not even known whether he would've re-gained his starting position. Jim Johnson/Andy Reid could've very well reduced his PT because of the prolonged holdout and with how well the defense is performing.
So yeah, if this defense was a sieve I'd be lamenting the loss of Simon. But it's not.
i agree, the defense is going to be great. but having Simon could do nothing but help.
we'll see, maybe the run D will be a lot better this year without him. but Hollis has a strong history of getting hurt, so does Grassmanis. hopefully taking a very good player out of that DT rotation will not lead to the DTs getting worn down later in the year.
To be honest, I think the defense will not be on the field as much as in years past and will not have to be worn down.
Potent offense = big leads
Opposing teams throwing to catch up vs. this defense = short drives
If they need to activate Keyonta Marshall to help absorb some reps, they'll do that. Or they can just go see Tom Heckert and whatever magic bottle he has in his office where he plucks good players out of nowhere and get a good rotation-type DT who doesn't have to be a star but just be solid.
DARRELL RUSSELL!! ;)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:53:48 PM
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Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.
if you knew the rules of FA you could be a little better in this conversation. he wasn't holding out, because he wasn't under contract, he hadn't signed yet, so yes, he does make the rules in that situation. any team could've signed him anytime, but would've had to give the Eagles compensation.
and stop comparing what happens at real life working situations to what happens in the NFL. they aren't even close to being comparable.
Simon wasn't an UFA. If he was true UFA we wouldn't be having this stupid conversation as he could have gone anywhere from the start. He needed two teams (the Eagles and whomever else) to negotiate for his rights to play football, so other than making stupid demands and making the situation difficult, he had no choices other than to play for the Eagles, or help in facilitating a trade - and that only goes as far as some other club
wanting him to begin with. You might want to look at your "rule book" before you try making condescending remarks again, smart guy.
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 29, 2005, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:53:48 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 29, 2005, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.
if you knew the rules of FA you could be a little better in this conversation. he wasn't holding out, because he wasn't under contract, he hadn't signed yet, so yes, he does make the rules in that situation. any team could've signed him anytime, but would've had to give the Eagles compensation.
and stop comparing what happens at real life working situations to what happens in the NFL. they aren't even close to being comparable.
Simon wasn't an UFA. If he was true UFA we wouldn't be having this stupid conversation as he could have gone anywhere from the start. He needed two teams (the Eagles and whomever else) to negotiate for his rights to play football, so other than making stupid demands and making the situation difficult, he had no choices other than to play for the Eagles, or help in facilitating a trade - and that only goes as far as some other club wanting him to begin with. You might want to look at your rule book before you try making condescending remarks again, smart guy.
um, sorry you're wrong again. he didn't need the Eagles whatsoever. they put the franchise tag on him. that means he is a free agent that can negotiate with any team. however, the eagles have the right to match the offer. if they don't the team he signs with has to give the Eagles 2 1st round draft picks.
Quote from: Cerevant on August 29, 2005, 12:50:01 PM
Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?
Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on August 29, 2005, 12:50:01 PM
Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?
Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?
No. How many pro bowls has Sapp been to? Undoubtedly more than he deserved.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on August 29, 2005, 12:50:01 PM
Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?
Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?
i'm sure someone will say no.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on August 29, 2005, 12:50:01 PM
Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?
Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?
No. It means you had a pro bowl caliber year. :P
Alstott made how many Pro Bowls as a "fullback"? Those were good times.
Simon made did make one Pro Bowl, yes.
He did not play in any manner that could be construed as "Pro Bowl caliber" in 2004.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 29, 2005, 01:11:49 PM
No. How many pro bowls has Sapp been to? Undoubtedly more than he deserved.
Wow, nice logic. I guess Simon won the lucky Pro Bowl lottery.
Westbrook made the probowl last year and I can easily name 7-8 better running backs. Easily.
Um, hello... if Simon negotiates with another team, gets a contract and signs with them and the Eagles get draft picks in return. So they'd have traded Simon for the picks because he's still, technically, Eagles property while tagged. Not to mention that he still needs the other team to sign him. He can't just go to a team and say "sign me and give me this" and they'll say "ok". It doesn't work like that.
Since he priced himself out of every market he needed the Eagles to play ball with him. They took their ball and went home. Now Simon's free to do whatever he wants but he still needs a new team to sign him and he'll still have to play by their rules or not play. He can't tell them he'll just show up in week five. They'd laugh him out of the city.
Prior to them lifting the tag, Simon needed to do things a certain way, he didn't have carte blanche to do whatever he wanted to do otherwise he'd have gotten a deal he wanted by now. In the end it's still the teams that make the rules, not Simon.
Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?
that was before he stopped bowing down to the front office and became fat lazy selfish and a worse person than randy moss
The fact is that Simon has Pro Bowl talent and minor league conditioning, and it was always a bit of a crapshoot as to which one would overtake the other. More often than not, it was somewhere in the middle.
Since he priced himself out of every market he needed the Eagles to play ball with him. They took their ball and went home. Now Simon's free to do whatever he wants but he still needs a new team to sign him and he'll still have to play by their rules or not play. He can't tell them he'll just show up in week five. They'd laugh him out of the city.
this is what kills me...yous people care more about simon getting screwed in this whole scenario than you care about how it may effect the eagles and their quest for a sb this year
He disagreed with the FO so I hope his house burns down and his family gets killed because he deserves it.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 01:19:53 PM
He disagreed with the FO so I hope his house burns down and his family gets killed because he deserves it.
See? Now that's the spirit! Now go over to General and help me root for death and destruction in the Hurricane thread.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 01:16:12 PM
Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?
that was before he stopped bowing down to the front office and became fat lazy selfish and a worse person than randy moss
I didn't say he is a worse person than Randy Moss. As I know neither man personally, I would not feel too terribly comfortable assessing eithers personal worth.
What I do know is Moss takes plays off. Simon played hard only when he felt like it. Not exactly the same, but a limited comparison is warranted.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 01:18:06 PM
Since he priced himself out of every market he needed the Eagles to play ball with him. They took their ball and went home. Now Simon's free to do whatever he wants but he still needs a new team to sign him and he'll still have to play by their rules or not play. He can't tell them he'll just show up in week five. They'd laugh him out of the city.
thsi is what kills me...yous people care more about simon getting screwed in this whoe scenario than you care about how it may effect the eagles and their quest for a sb this year
I'm going to
try and decipher your butchery of the english language enough to reply...
I think the Defense will be fine without Simon. The guy isn't Kris Jenkins. He's been good to marginal since his rookie year and hasn't always pulled his weight (no pun intended). Patterson may, or may not, be better than Simon, but putting the team on hold while waiting for Simon to waddle back into camp isn't good for the team in any way, shape, or form.
People last year said the Eagles couldn't make the SB without TO. They did.
Two years back they said they'd never make the NFCCG three years in a row. They did.
Three back they said they'd never make it to the playoffs with McNabb gone for the rest of the regular season. They did.
I'm well past the point of worrying about one player being let go dragging the entire team into mediocrity. If Simon was concerned about helping the Eagles win, he'd have signed the tender and come to camp. Since he didn't, life goes on. I root for the team, and the team's been out there working hard to get back to the SB. Simon hasn't been a part of that for a good long while, so I'm not about to cry about him not signing his $5.1 mil offer and being released. Sorry.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 01:19:53 PM
He disagreed with the FO so I hope his house burns down and his family gets killed because he deserves it.
That goes without saying.
Simon sucks, and now he's gone. what impact does his "potential $5 million contract have on the cap? Can someone explain that a little better than the free agent description please...?
Well, for one thing, it means they'd have enough to finally trade for Urlacher if they chose to.
:yay
Get Clarett!
Holy crap, TO just got traded. Now we're well under the cap.
Okay, here it is, the 'Left and yet our Defense was still outstanding team':
DE Hugh Douglas
DT Corey Simon
DT Bill Johnson
DE Derrick Burgess
SAM Carlos Emmons
MIKE Jeremiah Trotter
WIL Shawn Barber
CB Bobby Taylor
CB Troy Vincent
SS Damon Moore
FS Clinton Hart
That's a pretty good defense five years ago.
i just heard a bit from Mike Pattersson regarding the relase of Simon. FFatPatt, you need to get your client used to being interviewed. He said "you know" roughly 22 times in the span of a minute and a half.
he said corey was a really good guy, etc. but when asked how he knew Corey Mikey said he'd never met him. :-D hilarious (you know)
Quote from: General_Failure on August 29, 2005, 02:32:01 PM
That's a pretty good defense five years ago.
Scary good, which is exactly my point. We've released/not re-signed plenty of players yet our D has always performed at a high level.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 29, 2005, 02:36:49 PM
i just heard a bit from Mike Pattersson regarding the relase of Simon. FFatPatt, you need to get your client used to being interviewed. He said "you know" roughly 22 times in the span of a minute and a half.
he said corey was a really good guy, etc. but when asked how he knew Corey Mikey said he'd never met him. :-D hilarious (you know)
Mike knows football. Mike knows food. He doesn't have time or need time for an extensive vocabulary.
It's a shame we never had a great backup FS to lose.
I agree with FFizzle.
Diction and communicating without using tags is for suckas.
Holla!
Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on August 29, 2005, 12:50:01 PM
Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?
Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?
There's a difference between "was a Pro Bowler" and "is a Pro Bowler". He's not as good a player as he was when he made the Pro Bowl.
C
Two quotes that stood out to me from the write up on the Eagles site:
Quote"I think Corey was more shocked than anybody else was," Rayburn said. "I guess it was something they had in the works. Nobody knew what they're doing. Nobody had the inside track on it."
That says a lot to me. Obviously the guys on the team kind of knew that Corey was being phased out. Hell everybody knew that just by watching Mike Patterson play. But the fact that they weren't shocked? Sounds as if Corey was really out of touch with the situation.
Quote"It is a business," said defensive end Hugh Douglas. "A business decision was made and you just have to keep it movin'. Right now nothing really surprises me. We're happy for Corey. This is something he obviously wanted to do. He will land on his feet. Hopefully, he will go somewhere and can really just take off
So Corey obviously wanted to leave?
So much for the song and dance on Comcast last night about really wanting to stay in Philadelphia, huh? Good try Corey. You didn't fool me with that trying to make people feel sorry for you bit.
I'm far from someone who eats whatever Lurie and Banner feed me, but this move doesn't worry me one bit. Throughout an entire season he is not the team's best defensive tackle. Other DTs play harder and produce more for an entire season. Simon only produces in half of a season. He is inconsistent. There is not a HUGE dropoff with him and the other DTs. Plus the Eagles can do something with the 5 million we got back. Something to improve other areas. So you look at it as a small potential downgrade in an area we are deep in and a potential upgrade in an area we are thin in. We could get a WR or RB with that money. Or lock up some players long-term.
The Pats let Milloy go and won a Superbowl. Sometimes you have to make tough decisions. The Eagles will overcome this for sure. Simon is a solid DT, but one thing he is not is an impact player. He really doesn't impact the game all that much.
LOL. Did you just compare Corey Simon and Lawyer Milloy?
Seriously, good one.
:-D
BTW: I'm not buying that this was a business decision whatsoever. This was a decision based on production on the field. Hollis, Patterson, Walker, Rayburn & Co. sweated their balls off during the off-season & training camp, played during three preseason games and were ultimately chosen over a guy who decided to take the summer off.
They produced while Simon sat in Florida eating bon-bons & drinking fru-fru drinks.
Sayonara, motherfarger and don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 03:38:15 PM
BTW: I'm not buying that this was a business decision whatsoever. This was a decision based on production on the field.
I agree. If it were a business decision, they would have never tagged him in the first place.
C
Did you read?
I compared the situations not the players. The Pats released Milloy and won a Superbowl. The Eagles released Simon. The point is, you can release big name players and have other players fill in and not miss a beat. Simon isn't an impact player. He won't be missed all that much if at all.
Pro Football Weekly's The Way We Hear It take:
QuoteWhen you have the kind of DT depth the Eagles do, you can sustain losing a talented player such as DT Corey Simon. The team removed the franchise tag on Sunday, Aug. 28, making Simon a free agent. Though it appears to be a tough loss, two things must be considered: (1) after missing most of camp last season, he was an ineffective player for half the season, and (2) this likely would have been his final season as an Eagle anyway. In the first 10 games Simon had only half a sack and 18 tackles, and Andy Reid and Jim Johnson didn't want to slow the development of first-round pick Mike Patterson and wait for an ineffective Simon to work into playing shape. With Simon and Sam Rayburn (elbow injury) out, Patterson has taken advantage, locking up a regular spot in the rotation and making Simon that much more expendable. Patterson is right in the mix with Darwin Walker and Hollis Thomas — who also has had a good camp after expressing discontent with his contract — and could be a Week One starter.
this will probably help Hollis in his contract squabble, his incentives were based on playing time. i would think he would be in line to start now.
Good point, Sun.
You're right about Hollis' contract being incentive laden. That's probably why he's got that "I just farted" smile on his face in every picture lately.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 03:50:13 PM
Good point, Sun.
You're right about Hollis' contract being incentive laden. That's probably why he's got that "I just farted" smile on his face in every picture lately.
that was his major problem in the offseason because he had to hit certain playing time percentages to get his incentives and he felt that he was lied to regarding the amount of playing time he would get
thats perfect for the birds front office...they gotta love having a guy on an incentive laden contract who has no chance to play more than 5 games this year
QuoteFast Eddie (Philly): Is the Eagles team better this year than last. It certainly seems to be the deepest they have been in years
Len Pasquarelli: when i was at the novacare center two weeks ago, i couldn't help but be impressed by the overall depth of the eagles . . . especially on defense . . . i still think they'll try to get another veteran wide receiver and tailback, but, yeah, this team is the deepest of the 15 teams i saw in camps
QuoteJD(NYC): Len-What teams are interested in Corey Simon and what is it going to take to sign him? G-Men could use a DT desperately.
Len Pasquarelli: when i spoke to simon's agent last night, about 9 pm, he hadn't heard from anyone yet . . . i'm sure that's changed by now, but i've spent much of the morning writing and ddin't have time to call him . . . i would say the giants, dolphins, packers, seahawks and bengals, just off the top of my bald head . . . and i'm sure there will be more . . . i think simon turned down an eight-figure signing bonus from the ravens before the draft, when philly was ready to send him there for two draft picks . . . don't know what kind of money he can expect now, but i'm sure his demands are still high
Another staement to contradict Simon's crying game on Comast last night. According to Corey...the phone was ringing off the hook from teams.
FYI
banner will be on with howard sometime in the next hour if anyone wants to hear his drivel on the simon move
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 04:22:57 PM
FYI
banner will be on with howard sometime in the next hour if anyone wants to hear his drivel on the simon move
Banner's drivel > Eskin's drivel
since eskin might be on banners cack more than even you id say eskin drivel=banner drivel
Banner's delivery is much better, though.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 04:30:19 PM
Banner's delivery is much better, though.
As Banner's spokesman, I feel he's already being too defensive only 30 seconds into the interview. I hope Joe composes himself.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 29, 2005, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 04:30:19 PM
Banner's delivery is much better, though.
As Banner's spokesman, I feel he's already being too defensive only 30 seconds into the interview. I hope Joe composes himself.
I hope Joe tells eskin to go farg himself.
I hope they have an exploding knife fight.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2005, 05:03:20 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 29, 2005, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 04:30:19 PM
Banner's delivery is much better, though.
As Banner's spokesman, I feel he's already being too defensive only 30 seconds into the interview. I hope Joe composes himself.
I hope Joe tells eskin to go farg himself.
He's talking too much about being proud of the cap space & how they've manipulated it. I fear much negative lashback for my assigned Eagle. :-\
farg the negative lashback. If the asshats who don't like what Banner and Company have done with this team, tell them to go cheer for the farging Skins.
leave the skins alone...they are gonna win me ten bucks on this board
Banner denies they worked out a secret deal to let TO go next year.
maybe its me but he doesnt sound to confident about getting westbrook done
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 05:11:08 PM
maybe its me but he doesnt sound to confident about getting westbrook done
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 05:11:08 PM
maybe its me but he doesnt sound to confident about getting westbrook done
I've never heard Banner on an interview sounding confident about something that's yet to occur. He just likes to talk about what's done and how super a decision he felt it was for the Eagles.
yeah theyll probably sign him tonight
Cap Space is my favorite player. :yay
Quote from: mhunt on August 29, 2005, 06:25:52 PM
Cap Space is my favorite player. :yay
The Eagles have $15 mil to spare now. You're all a bunch of lurie lappers.
The Eagles have $15 mil to spare now
they are saving up for an 06 superbowl run
Simon might sign with the Girls :boo (http://www.nbc10.com/eaglesblog/index.html)
QuoteSimon Wants To Join Cowboys?
Could the Eagles decision to cut holdout defensive tackle Corey Simon come back to haunt them?
Simon told reporters after his sudden release by the Eagles on Sunday that he was considering the Dallas Cowboys or the New York Giants as his next employers.
There was no word from either team if they were interested in the former All-Pro lineman, who reportedly wants at least $5 million a year and a signing bonus of at least $10 million.
With less than two weeks left before the start of the season, it's a short list of teams that can afford Simon's demands, since most teams have spent the money allocated to their budget, or salary cap.
The Cowboys are an unlikely destination, since Bill Parcells invested heavily in former Jets tackle Jason Ferguson in the offseason.
Baltimore, Cincinnati and San Francisco tried to work out deals with Simon in the offseason, while Buffalo, Green Bay and Kansas City are other possible destinations.
As for the Eagles, the team didn't seem fazed by losing Simon, whose production had fallen off during the past two seasons. The progress of rookie Mike Patterson made Simon expendable.
The team's biggest concern is its offensive line, where starting tackle Tre Thomas and guard Shawn Andrews are fighting injuries. The team could be forced to start two rookies, Todd Hennemans and Adrien Clarke, against the Falcons.
Of course, with the $5 million saved by releasing Simon and extra draft picks in upcoming years, the Eagles could afford to bring in a veteran lineman if needed.
The offensive line is one of the few weak spots, on paper, for the deepest Eagles' team in years.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 29, 2005, 07:26:32 PM
Simon might sign with the Girls :boo (http://www.nbc10.com/eaglesblog/index.html)
QuoteSimon Wants To Join Cowboys?
Could the Eagles decision to cut holdout defensive tackle Corey Simon come back to haunt them?
Then...
The Cowboys are an unlikely destination, since Bill Parcells invested heavily in former Jets tackle Jason Ferguson in the offseason.
So, they're saying that it might come back to haunt them if he signs with the Cowboys, yet two sentences later, they say it's unlikely he'll do so.
Inspired prose there.
::)
QuoteThe team's biggest concern is its offensive line, where starting tackle Tre Thomas and guard Shawn Andrews are fighting injuries. The team could be forced to start two rookies, Todd Hennemans and Adrien Clarke, against the Falcons.
Who the farg writes this bullshtein?
Hopefully "Tre" will be just fine.
:-D
PS: Who is Todd Hennemans? :-D :-D
Just an FYI...he said the same thing to my source...who said that he was joking about it...causing a stir.
FWIW.
Simon might be somewhat OK as a DE in a 3-4, but I don't think the system would suit him very much.
That said, let him go to the Cowboys for all I care. I think their line of Ellis/Ferguson/Spears has a ton of promise, so if they want to take time away from some of them to put fat Corey out there, fine.
This thread has been the equivalent of:
(http://www.three-stooges.com/3-stooges.jpg)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 07:33:19 PM
QuoteThe team's biggest concern is its offensive line, where starting tackle Tre Thomas and guard Shawn Andrews are fighting injuries. The team could be forced to start two rookies, Todd Hennemans and Adrien Clarke, against the Falcons.
Who the farg writes this bullshtein?
Hopefully "Tre" will be just fine.
:-D
PS: Who is Todd Hennemans? :-D :-D
I'm glad I read through the posts before throwing my my two cents.
Romey, you took the words right from me, ya bastich. 8)
You coming down for the Niners opener?
"Did I hear a 'niner' in there? Didja call on a walkie-talkie?"
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 09:30:33 PM
"Did I hear a 'niner' in there? Didja call on a walkie-talkie?"
:-D
Throwing my little "Nyuks" in:
1. This is the second season in a row in which Simon has missed the vast majority of training camp.
2. It took Simon the better part of half of last season to "warm up" to being a decent DT.
3. Contrary to what IGY said, to me it seemed like Simon absolutely disappeared in the playoffs. I remember the Fatman Hollis Thomas laying Ron Mexico out, but can't remember a thing that Simon did.
4. That said, Simon is still one of the better DTs in the league, when the moon and stars align and Simon is healthy, in shape, and committed to excelling.
5. The Eagles had $5 million on the table since what, March or thereabouts? Simon had months, and even weeks of TC, to sign and report. This "he'll report after the last preseason game" is exactly why I think that it's a good idea to cut losses and say good-bye. Another eight games for Simon to get into shape? The fact that the Eagles are supposedly going "all out" for a Super Bowl would, to me, necessitate that they could not afford to be as patient with a player that is, at best, weeks away from being in "game shape."
6. It would not surprise me if some of that "found money" is used to acquire one of the pieces that we've all been beefing about the Eagles needing: RB, WR. No, I have no "inside source," I am just speculating, much like everybody.
7. Would it be ironic if Simon tested the FA waters, and had to come back to the Eagles THIS YEAR for less $$$ than the tender. I know- IMPOSSIBLE- but it would be ironic. :deion
8. I bear no ill will to Simon. He was never one of my favorite players, but he was an Eagle. I wish him the best of luck (and even that he gets close to what he is looking for moneywise), and that the Eagles kick his rear end all over the field when the two teams meet. :evil
Simon did absolutely ZERO in the Superbowl. It would've been nice to not let Brady sit back there all day and pick whatever option he chooses.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 09:30:33 PM
"Did I hear a 'niner' in there? Didja call on a walkie-talkie?"
:-D Someone was watching Comedy Central over the weekend.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 09:39:50 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 29, 2005, 09:30:33 PM
"Did I hear a 'niner' in there? Didja call on a walkie-talkie?"
:-D Someone was watching Comedy Central over the weekend.
Nah, but I've seen that movie about 30 times.
It was on all weekend. I watched it at least 3 times.
I have the "Holy Schnike" version on order from Best Buy and will be picking it up tomorrow.
I love that movie.
:-D
Lots of people go to college for 7 years.
Yeah, they're called doctors.
:-D
Your brain's got a shell on it.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 29, 2005, 09:34:23 PM
Throwing my little "Nyuks" in:
1. This is the second season in a row in which Simon has missed the vast majority of training camp.
2. It took Simon the better part of half of last season to "warm up" to being a decent DT.
3. Contrary to what IGY said, to me it seemed like Simon absolutely disappeared in the playoffs. I remember the Fatman Hollis Thomas laying Ron Mexico out, but can't remember a thing that Simon did.
4. That said, Simon is still one of the better DTs in the league, when the moon and stars align and Simon is healthy, in shape, and committed to excelling.
5. The Eagles had $5 million on the table since what, March or thereabouts? Simon had months, and even weeks of TC, to sign and report. This "he'll report after the last preseason game" is exactly why I think that it's a good idea to cut losses and say good-bye. Another eight games for Simon to get into shape? The fact that the Eagles are supposedly going "all out" for a Super Bowl would, to me, necessitate that they could not afford to be as patient with a player that is, at best, weeks away from being in "game shape."
6. It would not surprise me if some of that "found money" is used to acquire one of the pieces that we've all been beefing about the Eagles needing: RB, WR. No, I have no "inside source," I am just speculating, much like everybody.
7. Would it be ironic if Simon tested the FA waters, and had to come back to the Eagles THIS YEAR for less $$$ than the tender. I know- IMPOSSIBLE- but it would be ironic. :deion
8. I bear no ill will to Simon. He was never one of my favorite players, but he was an Eagle. I wish him the best of luck (and even that he gets close to what he is looking for moneywise), and that the Eagles kick his rear end all over the field when the two teams meet. :evil
Well put ....AmenDo you think all this woke up Abraham??
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/08/29/jets.abraham.ap/index.html
From Spads latest news and notes:
QuoteFinal thing on Simon: FOX's Brian Baldinger offered this unsolicited opinion of Simon Monday as we watched practice: "Dave, the Eagles didn't even lose a good player here. They lost a bad player. I watched every game at NFL Films. I studied Simon. There was no player on the ground more last year than Simon. They won't miss him a little bit."
Interesting....
That 2000 draft first round looks like a real winner right now.... :P
Courtney Brown
Peter Warrick
Corey Simon
Plaxico Burress
Thomas Jones
Travis Taylor
Ron Dayne
Deltha O'Neal
Stockar McDougle
Sylvester Morris
Chris McIntosh
Rashard Anderson
Ahmed Plummer
Chris Hovan
Erik Flowers
R. Jay Soward
Trung Canidate
Burress is sadly the best out of that bunch. Either him or Plummer.
That R. Jay Soward was a good one...
Mark Eckel is back to his Reid/Eagle bashing ways tonight. He hadn't really let loose on them in quite some time, but tonight on his WIP show he is showing how ridiculous he can be.
Mrs. Kevin Johnson says:
The Eagles are losers. Andy Reid and the Eagles cannot be given any credit until they win a Super Bowl. Callers bring up how Reid & Co. generally make the right decisions and Eckel gets snippy and goes off on a tangent about them just being another one of the 31 losers.
It sounds like they released his girlfriend. Seriously - the guy is suckin on some sour ass grapes tonight.
And the anti-Reid callers are out of the woodwork tonight too. One guy said he hopes he goes to the Chiefs and if he does, they'll win the SB.
We all know that Eckel hates Reid. But tonight he is making it obvious in a whiny-bitch type way.
Yo Eckel...stop whining, dope.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2005, 01:56:00 AM
Mark Eckel is back to his Reid/Eagle bashing ways tonight. He hadn't really let loose on them in quite some time, but tonight on his WIP show he is showing how ridiculous he can be.
Mrs. Kevin Johnson says:
The Eagles are losers. Andy Reid and the Eagles cannot be given any credit until they win a Super Bowl. Callers bring up how Reid & Co. generally make the right decisions and Eckel gets snippy and goes off on a tangent about them just being another one of the 31 losers.
It sounds like they released his girlfriend. Seriously - the guy is suckin on some sour ass grapes tonight.
And the anti-Reid callers are out of the woodwork tonight too. One guy said he hopes he goes to the Chiefs and if he does, they'll win the SB.
We all know that Eckel hates Reid. But tonight he is making it obvious in a whiny-bitch type way.
Yo Eckel...stop whining, dope.
I heard him as well. STFU Eckel. Thank god it was dinner time so I could excuse myself from his bullshtein.
Big Ed:
Great list! Holy shtein what a horrible first round class. Sylveser Morriss is out of football isn't he?????
I heard it. He was making himself sound foolish tonight. I eventually turned off the radio.
I actually heard him say he was the best player in the NFCCG. Uh... what?
He said the same stuff when we lost Vincent and Taylor. His argument is that it makes the Eagles weaker, but we don't know if it does yet. He is going purely on paper. Patterson could come in and tear apart offensive lineman for all we know. I also don't agree with him being are best DT. I think Walker was just as good as him last season. That is not etched in stone that Simon was our best DT, I'm sorry. When he got annoying I just turned him off.
That is one of the reasons why I can like Howard. Howard would just rip Eckel to pieces if he was co-hosting with him at the time.
Big Daddy started the show tonight by calling the Birds cheap...
I e-mailed him since I cannot call in tonight.
I hope he addresses it on air. I gave him a link proving the Eagles are not cheap. Let's see if he reads it...
Doubt it.
Brian Baldinger quote on Simon from the Eagles site:
Quote"Dave, the Eagles didn't even lose a good player here. They lost a bad player. I watched every game at NFL films. I studied Simon. There was no player on the ground more last year than Simon. They won't miss him a little bit."
And for those of you who will undoubtedly say that he is only saying that because he is talking to Spads, he ripped the Mike Patterson draft selection very hard back in April.
What did he say about Mike Patterson now?
I believe he called in to Dave's Draft Live show and said he hated the pick of Patterson because he's too small and would be eaten alive by blockers.
I meant what does he think now as opposed to then?
Couldn't tell ya. But he'll be on DNL in a week or two and we'll find out.
QuoteGibbs said the taterskins have discussed the possibility of signing star defensive end Corey Simon, who was released of his franchise tag by Philadelphia on Sunday, but did not expect to contend seriously for his services because of salary cap concerns. Washington is about $2.15 million under the cap, league sources said.
From The Washington Post....
Nice. I guess Simon is a DE now. Good research job, pal.
And of course the silly Skins fans are think he's a DE (way to watch the NFL, dopes) and they want him signed. :-D
Do you think Patterson will be starting by the end of the season?
Only if he's not on IR.
Wouldn't even really matter if he was starting since they rotate them out so much..
But I think Hollis will be the starter alongside Walker.
I really hope Patterson turns into a player. I don't want this move to bite the Eagles in the ass. I don't mind this move at all, but it all rests on Patterson's shoulders. If he is a bust then this move sucks even if Simon is overrated. Simply because of depth issues, and health issues with Hollis. Patterson has the tools and worth ethic though, and looked good in preseason. Not saying I don't think he will be a player, but it is very important that he does.
At the very worst, he'll be as good as Simon was at the start of the season last year. I doubt he'll be on his ass that much.
Eckel (and I know this personally) LOVES Corey Simon. I knew that he was going to go nuts about it as soon as it happened.
Patterson is a player. Patterson will be an even better player as the season progressing.
Don't worry your pretty little heads about Patterson.
(already posted by Phreak)
Even I think calling Simon a "bad player" might be extreme, but he did completely disappear for large chunks of time.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 30, 2005, 12:29:49 AM
That 2000 draft first round looks like a real winner right now.... :P
Courtney Brown
Peter Warrick
Corey Simon
Plaxico Burress
Thomas Jones
Travis Taylor
Ron Dayne
Deltha O'Neal
Stockar McDougle
Sylvester Morris
Chris McIntosh
Rashard Anderson
Ahmed Plummer
Chris Hovan
Erik Flowers
R. Jay Soward
Trung Canidate
I thought Sylvester Morris was a 2nd round pick. ??? Regardless, that is still one craptastic orgy of wasted draft picks.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 30, 2005, 08:02:38 AM
(already posted by Phreak)
Even I think calling Simon a "bad player" might be extreme, but he did completely disappear for large chunks of time.
Agreed. There's a big difference between being a bad player and a lazy, out of shape player. Simon is the latter.
Also picked in the first round in 2000:
LaVar Arrington
Chris Samuels
Jamal Lewis
Brian Urlacher
Shaun Ellis
John Abraham
Bubba Franks
Julian Peterson
Sebastian Janikowski
Chad Pennington
Shaun Alexander
Anthony Becht
Rob Morris
Keith Bulluck
You kind of have to look at the whole picture to get the real idea.
yous are crazy...one guy on the radio criticizes the move and you all come a rushin...and you start posting quotes off the eagles website saying how bad simon is...its like you gotta prove to yourselves that youre right
stick to your beliefs and your own knowledge of the game like i do...you wont see me coming on here posting articles saying how it was a risky or bad move by the birds...thats cause my info comes off the top of my dome...original and solid...word life
just remember two things:
a. never be on another mans dick
b. knowledge is king and im in the throne
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2005, 08:13:41 AM
yous are crazy...one guy on the radio criticizes the move and you all come a rushin...and you start posting quotes off the eagles website saying how bad simon is...its like you gotta prove to yourselves that youre right
stick to your beliefs and your own knowledge of the game like i do...you wont see me coming on here posting articles saying how it was a risky or bad move by the birds...thats cause my info comes off the top of my dome...original and solid...word life
just remember two things:
a. never be on another mans dick
b. knowledge is king and im in the throne
:-D
Did you just say 'word life?'
Man, my IGY quote needs to change now.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2005, 08:21:20 AM
Did you just say 'word life?'
No. He typed it. I guess he could have actually uttered as well, but it would be a little weird to talk as you type.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 30, 2005, 08:28:22 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2005, 08:21:20 AM
Did you just say 'word life?'
No. He typed it. I guess he could have actually uttered as well, but it would be a little weird to talk as you type.
D.
D+ at best.
word life, i may have to throw that quote into one of my meetings today, what do you guys say?
Quote from: T_Section224 on August 30, 2005, 08:55:45 AM
word life, i may have to throw that quote into one of my meetings today, what do you guys say?
I'm all for it as long as you make the appropriate hand gestures like this guy.
(http://evula.org/dragoon/pics/werd.jpg)
"Word life" may very well be the funniest (unintentionally, of course) thing I've ever read.
:-D
ummm it was intentional chief...not so much to be funny but to honor the brothers before us...word life hasnt been part of the lexicon since about 92...recognize son
i be bringing it back like mock necks and british walkers
Ummm... does anyone have an ebonics translator handy?
???
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 09:18:46 AM
Ummm... does anyone have an ebonics translator handy?
???
You need to have this installed on your computer
(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=%22ebonics+translator%22/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12915la5a/EXP=1125494597/*-http%3A//www.joel.net/ebonics/images/ebonics-inside.jpg)
Ahahaha.
That's great, Sarge.
:-D
Hey Hollis....you're going to hit your incentives this year now that Simon is gone....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/hollisgrin.jpg)
learn to crop.
I did...half the page.
Sorry, for some reason the smaller version didn't save.
Does Hollis always have this expression or is this photo overused?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/hollisgrin.jpg)
Quote
Best photo ever.
PS....Hugh and Corey are best friends. Here is Hugh's quote on him leaving:
QuotePlayers come and go," Douglas said. "The game ain't moving. It's going to be here. Twenty years down the line, the Philadelphia Eagles are still going to be here. They'll move on and they'll find more players."
PS....Hugh and Corey are best friends
ps grasmanis was coreys best man and is by far his best friend on the team...hugh is no closer to him than darwin walker or any of the other d line man
spin spinny spin spin
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2005, 10:13:36 AM
PS....Hugh and Corey are best friends
ps grasmanis was coreys best man and is by far his best friend on the team...hugh is no closer to him than darwin walker or any of the other d line man
spin spinny spin spin
No spin, I sat and ate dinner with Hugh last year and talked about a lot of stuff. Corey included. And you are basing
your thoughts on actually talking to one of the players, I assume?
Soooooooo, I'm new to this thread and all but how many visits to other teams does Mr. Former-Pro-Bowler Superstud DT have lined up so far? ;) I'm just sayin'! :D
no im basing it on the fact that grasmanis and corey are each others best men and get religiously zealous together
but thats besides the point...you are still trying to validate his release by reeeeeeaaaaaaching for crap like this
"ooooooh! look what his bestest friend in the whole wide world said about him getting released...told you it was a great move by the eagles" ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 10:16:27 AM
No spin, I sat and ate dinner with Hugh last year and talked about a lot of stuff. Corey included. And you are basing your thoughts on actually talking to one of the players, I assume?
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/rezrob/lecter.jpg) Oh I sat down and ate with a player too....Then I ate his liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti... :evil :evil
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2005, 10:22:00 AM
no im basing it on the fact that grasmanis and corey are each others best men and get religiously zealous together
but thats besides the point...you are still trying to validate his release by reeeeeeaaaaaaching for crap like this
"ooooooh! look what his bestest friend in the whole wide world said about him getting released...told you it was a great move by the eagles" ::)
:crazy
Quote from: JailBird-man on August 30, 2005, 10:24:28 AM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/rezrob/lecter.jpg)
Oh I sat down and ate with a player too....Then I ate his liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti... :evil :evil
:-D :-D :-D :yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 09:18:46 AM
Ummm... does anyone have an ebonics translator handy?
???
As per the Urban Dictionary:
Quote1. Originally originating as latino slang in the 80's to mean "I swear to you on my life what I tell you is true." It eventually was picked up by rappers in the early 90s to mean "I promise." Eventually the all rappers were using it but it wasn't the "in" slang until E-40 used it every other word (in his everyday speach). Eventually it was hear on the movie "Big Money Hustlas" starring ICP and Twiztid where Big Stank (Jamie Madrox) and Lil' Poot (Monoxide) would spout it as there catch phrase. After seeing this movie John Cena decided to use it as his own catch phrase.
Big Stank: It says in Issaiah an shtein that they put that dude up on the cross
Lil: poot: WORD LIFE!! SON!!
Big stank: and he was wait till I get down from this mother farger I'm gonna farg me somebody up!
:-D
Quote2. You mean what you said. it also means that whatever comes out of your mouth is what's true to yourself and you ain't lying about it, and people can't change you and what you just said. usually connected with untouchable.
blah blah blah. word life.
Quote4. As of or pertaining to basic thuganomics and it's applied principles.
'Logic' packed a pipe full of seeds. After inhaling a disgusting hit, Carrington slapped 'Logic' and said "Bitch"
:-D :-D :-D
Quote5. You keep your promise whatava heppuns.
Phat sick! I will take you back to yo mama after i farg you up! -Word life
:-D So funny, yet so very said.
So funny, yet so very sad
is it sad because slang in general is sad or because its used by minorities in this case
do you also believe that valley girls...surfers..and fraternity kids are sad too
are clueless bill and teds excellent adventure and fast times sad??
or just friday...menace to society and do the right thing
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2005, 10:55:50 AM
So funny, yet so very sad
is it sad because slang in general is sad or because its used by minorities in this case
do you also believe that valley girls...surfers..and fraternity kids are sad too
are clueless bill and teds excellent adventure and fast times sad??
or just friday...menace to society and do the right thing
Don't get your panties in a wad, IGY. It's sad because it's slang, and it's sad because you're using it on the internet with people that have to
LOOK UP the phrases you're using.
Maybe you should try considering your audience a little bit instead of getting all defensive when someone makes fun of your hardly intelligible slang.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2005, 10:55:50 AM
So funny, yet so very sad
is it sad because slang in general is sad or because its used by minorities in this case
do you also believe that valley girls...surfers..and fraternity kids are sad too
are clueless bill and teds excellent adventure and fast times sad??
or just friday...menace to society and do the right thing
Take your race-baiting attempts and shove 'em up your ass, IGY.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2005, 10:55:50 AM
So funny, yet so very sad
is it sad because slang in general is sad or because its used by minorities in this case
do you also believe that valley girls...surfers..and fraternity kids are sad too
are clueless bill and teds excellent adventure and fast times sad??
or just friday...menace to society and do the right thing
All of the above butchering of the King's English is sad.
While it's somewhat off topic, does Mike Missanelli piss anyone else off? I've been listening to him talk about the Simon situation & when he used "Sooper Bowl" 4 times in one sentence.
He basically invalidates anything he doesn't agree with by saying "But they didn't win a Sooper Bowl."
That's Mike Missanelli's entire goal is to piss everyone off. Try not listening to him, sucker.
Where do these guys come from that they are so WHINY. They whine more than a girl who is PMSing. Those screechy, whiny voices of Cataldi, Eskin and Missanelli. Ugh. Its painful.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2005, 10:55:50 AM
So funny, yet so very sad
is it sad because slang in general is sad or because its used by minorities in this case
do you also believe that valley girls...surfers..and fraternity kids are sad too
are clueless bill and teds excellent adventure and fast times sad??
or just friday...menace to society and do the right thing
It's sad that you use slang on the interweb ---- TYPING OUT slang. "Yo yo Ima smack dis ho" doesn't have the same bite when typed as it does when coming out of the mouth of an uneducated loser, or just some well-to-do kid trying to impress people.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 30, 2005, 11:01:33 AM
That's Mike Missanelli's entire goal is to piss everyone off. Try not listening to him, sucker.
Thanks J Dizzle Nizzle Wanker Puss
I've been listening a lot lately for any Eagles updates & finally switched it off today.
;)
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 30, 2005, 11:06:52 AM
It's said that you use slang on the interweb, TYPING slang. "Yo yo Ima smack dis ho" doesn't have the same bite when typed as it does when coming out of the mouth of an uneducated loser.
I disagree. I can understand someone using it verbally because they don't know any better. IGY knows better. He is fully versed in the English language yet he uses jibberish like that to appear controversial and/or amusing to some degree. Sadly, he's neither controversial nor amusing. He's just plain lame.
All of the above butchering of the King's English is sad
fair enough
i just find it funny that when its black slang its disgraceful...but when its white slang its cool...
i myself have no problem with either...i get stoked when i hear it...especially the super rad stupid fresh speak
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2005, 11:15:15 AM
i just find it funny that when its black slang its disgraceful...but when its white slang its cool...
You're obviously a racist. Way to go, winner.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 11:10:47 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 30, 2005, 11:06:52 AM
It's said that you use slang on the interweb, TYPING slang. "Yo yo Ima smack dis ho" doesn't have the same bite when typed as it does when coming out of the mouth of an uneducated loser.
I disagree. I can understand someone using it verbally because they don't know any better. IGY knows better. He is fully versed in the English language yet he uses jibberish like that to appear controversial and/or amusing to some degree. Sadly, he's neither controversial nor amusing. He's just plain lame.
When using slang in conversation, I think it's fine. But typing usually negates all need for slang, or it should. That's what I was getting at.
Typinf slang of any sort is imbecilic unless you're trying to be funny.
I'm not a fan of slang from educated people because it represents a conscious effort to sound ignorant. But hey, like I said, if you're trying to be funny, I'm all for it. In fact, if you make me laugh I'll forgive just about anything. Except herpes.
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 30, 2005, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 09:25:40 PM
You coming down for the Niners opener?
Duh.
Too bad it's not a late game. I'm sure we'll be there killing brain cells by 6:00 AM, though.
:-D
Duh.
so sad
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 30, 2005, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 09:25:40 PM
You coming down for the Niners opener?
Duh.
Too bad it's not a late game. I'm sure we'll be there killing brain cells by 6:00 AM, though.
:-D
Yea, if you wanna get there late. :-D
having cap room is off da chain.
Don't get it twisted! Simon is like dem ghostface killas bitches! He gonna roll thru wit his crew a pop a cap in McNabb's hizzy! Word life!
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 30, 2005, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 30, 2005, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2005, 09:25:40 PM
You coming down for the Niners opener?
Duh.
Too bad it's not a late game. I'm sure we'll be there killing brain cells by 6:00 AM, though.
:-D
Yea, if you wanna get there late. :-D
Meh - I'll just bribe Horace in the reserved parking lot and walk up with the cooler like I usually do.
:deion
Do you actually know someone named Horace? So sad.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2005, 11:34:49 AM
Do you actually know someone named Horace? So sad.
I refer to the kid in reserved parking as Horace because his actual name is of no interest to me.
I refer to you as rjs because your actual name is of no interest to me as well.
See how that works?
Oooooh. Oh snap!
Burn.
:-D
Damn dawg....you got clowned........bitch.
this thread: so sad.
You're all a bunch of wee todds.
(http://www.djshocker.freewebspace.com/images/dr_evil_and_mini_me.jpg)
This is for all my homies back in Oak-town
simon released??? topic over...yah!
I read 19 farging pages to finds 3 comments on topic. I hate summers when all the mods are on vacation and i hate to offseason.
:boom :paranoid
Quote from: TempleOwl on August 30, 2005, 12:36:53 PM
I read 19 farging pages to finds 3 comments on topic. I hate summers when all the mods are on vacation and i hate to offseason.
Not me. I love to offseason.
Quote from: TempleOwl on August 30, 2005, 12:36:53 PM
I read 19 farging pages to finds 3 comments on topic. I hate summers when all the mods are on vacation and i hate to offseason.
Mods??
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 30, 2005, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: TempleOwl on August 30, 2005, 12:36:53 PM
I read 19 farging pages to finds 3 comments on topic. I hate summers when all the mods are on vacation and i hate to offseason.
Mods??
Aka Thread Nazi's. :paranoid
Quote from: TempleOwl on August 30, 2005, 12:36:53 PM
I read 19 farging pages to finds 3 comments on topic. I hate summers when all the mods are on vacation and i hate to offseason.
:boom :paranoid
Speaking of Temple...
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 30, 2005, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: TempleOwl on August 30, 2005, 12:36:53 PM
I read 19 farging pages to finds 3 comments on topic. I hate summers when all the mods are on vacation and i hate to offseason.
Mods??
seriously though, there are mods here?
Sure there are. The angry gnome. The fullback. The humorless ballbreaker. And teh interweb master.
I didnt know Mad Lad was a gnome!
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2005, 01:00:04 PM
Sure there are. The angry gnome. The fullback. The humorless ballbreaker. And teh interweb master.
I'm angry that I can only figure out all but one of those.
Back on topic though:
QuoteGiants | Simon Says Team Called
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 04:51:39 -0700
The Star-Ledger reports free agent DT Corey Simon (Eagles) may be indeed drumming up some interest from the New York Giants. "We haven't ruled out anybody," Simon said when contacted by the Star-Ledger Monday evening, Aug. 29. "Right now we're just trying to figure out what's best for me. All I know is that the Giants are one of the teams that have spoken to my agent." Giants' general manager Ernie Accorsi declined comment when asked if the team was interested in Simon, saying only that "contact doesn't mean everything." The Giants might not be able to afford Simon, whose contract demands. "I don't know when I'll be signing," said Simon, who was working out in Florida when contacted. "This process just started (Sunday) night at about 11. I haven't talked numbers with anybody at this point."
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2005, 01:00:04 PM
Sure there are. The angry gnome. The fullback. The humorless ballbreaker. And teh interweb master.
Banned!
I know who the fullback is but I'm curious as to the others.
Care to elaborate, bro?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 01:19:08 PM
I know who the fullback is but I'm curious as to the others.
Care to elaborate, bro?
PG, MURP, GF, and Mad-Lad in that order.
Even though PG isn't "technically" a moderator.
I'll be farging pissed if he goes to a team in the NFC East. :boom
Susquehanna Birder is a mod/admin as has been since the start of CF.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 30, 2005, 01:20:34 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 01:19:08 PM
I know who the fullback is but I'm curious as to the others.
Care to elaborate, bro?
PG, MURP, GF, and Mad-Lad in that order.
Even though PG isn't "technically" a moderator.
Your miserable attitude is mildly refreshing as well, FF, but I was asking rjs to elaborate.
Thanks.
:)
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 30, 2005, 01:20:34 PM
PG, MURP, GF, and Mad-Lad in that order.
WRONG!
GF, MURP, PG and MAD-LAD. Who knows why I picture GF as a gnome, but I do. And I certainly wouldn't call GF humorless...
For the record, I'm not a gnome.
I'm an angry, humorless, ball-breaking Oompah Loompa with a full back of green hair which i post photos of on a fetish website for some extra cash.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 30, 2005, 01:23:51 PM
I'll be farging pissed if he goes to a team in the NFC East. :boom
please refrain from trying to get this on topic. thanks
Quote from: T_Section224 on August 30, 2005, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 30, 2005, 01:23:51 PM
I'll be farging pissed if he goes to a team in the NFC East. :boom
please refrain from trying to get this on topic. thanks
Staying on topic is for the gays.
Viva cyber-chaos!
:D
Speaking of angry gnome...
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nfl/2005/0830/photo/w_banner_195.jpg)
I still can't believe PG is not the angry gnome.
ewwwwww
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 30, 2005, 01:53:31 PM
I still can't believe PG is not the angry gnome.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced you're right...
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2005, 01:51:45 PM
Speaking of angry gnome...
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nfl/2005/0830/photo/w_banner_195.jpg)
The Precious..... My precious......
Guys, do you really think PG is a mod? C'mon now, take a look around you. There are threads that disagree with her opinion all over the place. :)
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 30, 2005, 01:23:51 PM
I'll be farging pissed if he goes to a team in the NFC East. :boom
Then we can watch him suck twice a year like we did Trotter.
I'm not a mod.
why do you think I married MURP? ;)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 30, 2005, 01:23:51 PM
I'll be farging pissed if he goes to a team in the NFC East. :boom
Then we can watch him suck twice a year like we did Trotter.
Because it is an absolute law of nature, if a player leaves the Eagles he must suck. RIIIIIGHT :-o
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 02:30:15 PM
I'm not a mod.
why do you think I married MURP? ;)
Sure but what does Murp get out of the deal?
???
Quote from: Philly_Crew on August 30, 2005, 02:30:25 PM
Because it is an absolute law of nature, if a player leaves the Eagles he must suck. RIIIIIGHT :-o
Well, Emmons had an "okay" season. Duce couldn't stay healthy getting what he wanted and being the #1 guy, Barber was good until he got hurt and missed a season, Vincent looks old, Taylor got cut, Trotter sucked donkeys in DC, Hugh did the same in Jacksonville.....
Do I really need to continue? :-o :-o :-o
mandatory suicide.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 02:31:39 PM
Sure but what does Murp get out of the deal?
???
A place to put his beer?
I did not just go there...did I?C
Quote from: MURP on August 30, 2005, 02:33:12 PM
mandatory suicide.
And I was going to say "season tickets"
:-D
what-EVA!
Oh, btw...
(http://mitchellpowellfurnishings.com/Pictures/Smithc's%20Couch%20Small.jpg)
Hope it looks comfy.
:-*
Ahahaha. Speaking of furniture, I just bought a new couch and loveseat for the Mrs over the weekend.
I've been waiting here all fargin day for those idiots to deliver it but nothing yet.
:poison
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/dmkdjb/bushfinger.jpg)
O:)
That's a beautiful Couch you have there.
It's better than your other sleeping option.
(http://espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/statsid/s4649.jpg)
A couch named Tim
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 30, 2005, 02:48:06 PM
That's a beautiful Couch you have there.
It's better than your other sleeping option.
(http://espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/statsid/s4649.jpg)
A couch named Tim
I hear he can't go deep.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 30, 2005, 02:48:06 PM
That's a beautiful Couch you have there.
It's better than your other sleeping option.
(http://espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/statsid/s4649.jpg)
A couch named Tim
2nd Tim Couch reference on CF today.
that's cause us Eagles fans are jealous that Cleveland took him first in 99
Timmay!
:=)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 30, 2005, 03:03:57 PM
Timmay!
:=)
You must mean Timmy Chang ::)(now with the Lions and after that performance last night by Garcia he might make the team)
I think the time's about right for one of those gratuitous ass shots.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LOFMIPAEBOFN/0807-SIMON.jpg)
:-D
Adam Shefter said the Colts really want him, but simply don't have the money. If they could make enough room for him they would be one of the top suiters.
QuoteRavens interested in Simon?
posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2005
ESPN Insider - John Clayton
The Ravens will take a wait-and-see approach to the possibility of signing former Eagles defensive tackle Corey Simon. The Ravens thought they had him in the past couple of weeks, but they couldn't work out a contract. A deal for draft choices was worked out with Philadelphia, and Baltimore had three days to get a contract with Simon. But the numbers didn't work and the deadline passed, canceling the trade with the Eagles. Simon wants big dollars. There are reports he wants $16 million in guarantees along with one of the better defensive tackle contracts in the league. With 32 sacks in five seasons, Simon will command a hefty contract. While the Ravens will be in the mix along with other teams, they don't want to be used in negotiations to increase the price.
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Larry on August 30, 2005, 03:37:07 PM
I think the time's about right for one of those gratuitous ass shots.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LOFMIPAEBOFN/0807-SIMON.jpg)
:-D
The Simon Holdout Committee sponsored by Cheezy Poofs (tm) would like to point out that this does not indicate that Mr. Simon is actually working out or attending training camp. To do so would undermine everything we stand for.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 03:54:50 PM
QuoteRavens interested in Simon?
posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2005
ESPN Insider - John Clayton
The Ravens will take a wait-and-see approach to the possibility of signing former Eagles defensive tackle Corey Simon. The Ravens thought they had him in the past couple of weeks, but they couldn't work out a contract. A deal for draft choices was worked out with Philadelphia, and Baltimore had three days to get a contract with Simon. But the numbers didn't work and the deadline passed, canceling the trade with the Eagles. Simon wants big dollars. There are reports he wants $16 million in guarantees along with one of the better defensive tackle contracts in the league. With 32 sacks in five seasons, Simon will command a hefty contract. While the Ravens will be in the mix along with other teams, they don't want to be used in negotiations to increase the price.
:-D :-D :-D :-D
It is all just a scam to avoid actually attending any team's practice before the first regular season game.
I love Cheesy Poofs
You love Cheesy Poofs
If we didn't eat Cheesy Poofs
We'd be lame!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 02:35:53 PM
Oh, btw...
(http://mitchellpowellfurnishings.com/Pictures/Smithc's%20Couch%20Small.jpg)
Hope it looks comfy.
:-*
it is comfy...i slept on it all weekend....
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on August 30, 2005, 02:30:25 PM
Because it is an absolute law of nature, if a player leaves the Eagles he must suck. RIIIIIGHT :-o
Well, Emmons had an "okay" season. Duce couldn't stay healthy getting what he wanted and being the #1 guy, Barber was good until he got hurt and missed a season, Vincent looks old, Taylor got cut, Trotter sucked donkeys in DC, Hugh did the same in Jacksonville.....
Do I really need to continue? :-o :-o :-o
Go back FURTHER.....
Brian Mitchell and Dorsey Levens had the WORST SEASONS in their careers after they left here and went to the Giants.
Raheem Brock did OK (yes, I know he wasn't signed).....
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 30, 2005, 04:28:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on August 30, 2005, 02:30:25 PM
Because it is an absolute law of nature, if a player leaves the Eagles he must suck. RIIIIIGHT :-o
Well, Emmons had an "okay" season. Duce couldn't stay healthy getting what he wanted and being the #1 guy, Barber was good until he got hurt and missed a season, Vincent looks old, Taylor got cut, Trotter sucked donkeys in DC, Hugh did the same in Jacksonville.....
Do I really need to continue? :-o :-o :-o
Go back FURTHER.....
Brian Mitchell and Dorsey Levens had the WORST SEASONS in their careers after they left here and went to the Giants.
:-D
From PFFFFT.
QuoteSHOULDER CONCERNS SCARE OFF SIMON SUITORS?
There are whispers in league circles that free agent defensive tackle Corey Simon's past shoulder problems ultimately will make him less attractive to potential suitors.
On paper, Simon is the most attractive free agent still on the market. Saddled with the franchise tag for all of the offseason, several teams were interested in trading for his services and paying him in the Shaun Rogers/Marcus Stroud ballpark.
But now that the Eagles have removed the franchise tag, at least one team that would, in theory, be interested in adding a body at the defensive tackle position is hesitating due to concerns regarding the condition of a shoulder that required multiple surgeries when he was in college at Florida State.
Indeed, the Eagles gave Simon a very thorough exam before selecting him in round one of the 2000 draft. And even though he has missed only two games in five NFL seasons, the lingering concerns could limit his ultimate value on the free-agent market.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 30, 2005, 04:28:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2005, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on August 30, 2005, 02:30:25 PM
Because it is an absolute law of nature, if a player leaves the Eagles he must suck. RIIIIIGHT :-o
Well, Emmons had an "okay" season. Duce couldn't stay healthy getting what he wanted and being the #1 guy, Barber was good until he got hurt and missed a season, Vincent looks old, Taylor got cut, Trotter sucked donkeys in DC, Hugh did the same in Jacksonville.....
Do I really need to continue? :-o :-o :-o
Go back FURTHER.....
Brian Mitchell and Dorsey Levens had the WORST SEASONS in their careers after they left here and went to the Giants.
:-D
I'm willing to bet $20 that Corey Simon has a better statistical season than one Eagles DT of your pick. I'm only making this bet with one of these two jokers.
Looking back at Simon's draft class.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2000/love_draft1.html
standouts 1st round after Corey...Plaxico Burress/Urlacher/Shaun Alexander/Julian Peterson :'(
Standout after Pinkston...Laverneous Coles/Jerry Porter :'(
Quote from: JailBird-man on August 31, 2005, 04:50:02 PM
standouts 1st round after Corey...Plaxico Burress/Urlacher/Shaun Alexander/Julian Peterson :'(
um...why are you crying over that?
All things considered, I'm glad the team drafted Simon. It's not like he was a bust during the time he was here, and the team desperately needed a DT like him at the time.
got this off the Giants MB...
QuoteJust FYI...
I have not been around the office today so i have not looked on the AP..
but thi sis comming right out of the agents mouth..
He wants a 10 mil signing bonus..
and the top three teams currently in contention are
Set.
Ind.
Cinn.
and a far fourth miami..
Indianapolis can't afford him whatsoever, and I'd love to see him go to any of those other teams, especially Cinci.
yeah, it's hard to believe that Ind. can be a top 3 team in contention if he wants a 10 mil signing bonus...
Wasn't Cinci the other team (other than Baltimore) that had made a trade for him with the Eagles?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 04:56:51 PM
Wasn't Cinci the other team (other than Baltimore) that had made a trade for him with the Eagles?
Reportedly, yes.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 04:56:51 PM
Wasn't Cinci the other team (other than Baltimore) that had made a trade for him with the Eagles?
yes. they were one of the teams he supposedly gave a huge long term asking price to so the Eagles couldn't trade him ::)
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 31, 2005, 04:54:52 PM
Indianapolis can't afford him whatsoever, and I'd love to see him go to any of those other teams, especially Cinci.
I just hope he goes to the AFC or a NFC team like Seattle that is not a threat.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 31, 2005, 07:24:01 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 31, 2005, 04:54:52 PM
Indianapolis can't afford him whatsoever, and I'd love to see him go to any of those other teams, especially Cinci.
I just hope he goes to the AFC or a NFC team like Seattle that is not a threat.
Come on, Joe...Seattle is a "threat" every year to win the NFC!
He signed with Indy tonight.
On my way into work I had on WIP....
G-Cobb was on and when he came back from a break Reuben Frank had to jump on early (it was right before the 2300 shift started) because he said "G was chasing a story".
So G comes back on and says that "an internet story says Simon has signed with Indy for big money". So G Cobb called Corey inbetween breaks and Corey said that it was news to him and he did not sign anywhere yet.
So either Corey was bullshteintin G-Cobb or ESPN is wrong.
And the funny thing is after G says this on the air that dumbass Jan Gorum still puts it in her update.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2005, 02:24:00 AM
On my way into work I had on WIP....
G-Cobb was on and when he came back from a break Reuben Frank had to jump on early (it was right before the 2300 shift started) because he said "G was chasing a story".
So G comes back on and says that "an internet story says Simon has signed with Indy for big money". So G Cobb called Corey inbetween breaks and Corey said that it was news to him and he did not sign anywhere yet.
So either Corey was bullshteintin G-Cobb or ESPN is wrong.
And the funny thing is after G says this on the air that dumbass Jan Gorum still puts it in her update.
have you ever heard anyone butcher an update like she does on a regular basis?
Dude. She's brutal.
The only thing I ever liked that she has done is last year when she blasted Ed Wade on a conference call. That's when that douchebag John Clarke from NBC10 started profusely apologizing to Wade for her questions. Hilarious.
She mispronounces names and the voice infliction she uses makes me wish I was listening to an air horn blowing in my ear at close range.
Thankfully WPEN-950 has hired Tony Bruno for their morning show. He starts on October 3rd.
The only time I'll listen to WIP is when Reuben Frank, Paul Jolovitz or Jim Jackson is on.
suprisingly, Jim Jackson does a pretty good talk show and it's not even Flyer dominated.
i just posted an update in th WPEN thread that they officially did hire Bruno and they are talking to Martorano (who i don't really like) and Conklin
I like Jackson too. Other than being a Giants fan, he talks better football than half of the other nitwits on that station. And he actually knows baseball too.
When him & Big Daddy did their post-MNF shows last year he'd embarass Big Daddy with his football knowledge. I don't know how Big Daddy has a job in Sports Radio.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2005, 08:53:51 AM
I like Jackson too. Other than being a Giants fan, he talks better football than half of the other nitwits on that station. And he actually knows baseball too.
When him & Big Daddy did their post-MNF shows last year he'd embarass Big Daddy with his football knowledge. I don't know how Big Daddy has a job in Sports Radio.
big daddy sucks, he's supposedly a stand up comedian but i have never once laughed at anything he has said on his show. i usually like when Cataldi is on vacation, but not when Big Daddy is filling in, he's worse
Angelo is on vacation now. But Rhea is still there and I cannot stand her. I like Al.
Rhea is a useless hole, her sports knowledge is suspect at best.
Does anyone else see the humor in Simon to Indy? Remember the Probowl when Simon took a cheap shot at Manning (late uneccesary hit) and then he faked injury to draw attention away from the hit. He got up w/a cheesy guilty looking grimace. It was the year before I think. Manning must be happy to get help on his D but I doubt Corey is his boy.