Eagles release Simon

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

On a happier note, Mike Patterson p\/\/nZ all of j00.

[Sgt PSN]

right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year

this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move

westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time

trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade

its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs

You need a beer man. C'mon, I'll buy you a Whine-a-kin.

And then i'll buy you a Waaburger and some French Cries!

I need to go to the hospitol.  Can someone please call a Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance? 

[ice grillin you]

Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?

he possibly could and that would help ease this a lot more...but what if he simply isnt as good as they think...or when the real games start hes overmatched..or hits a rookie wall late in the season and is null and void for the playoffs...simon is a huge insuarnce policy for if this were to happen or hollis gets his annual injury...an expensive one at 5 mil...but its just for this year

other than pattersons potential i dont see a tackle on this roster that does much for me...taking simon out is akin to taking a number one starter out of a rotation...now all of sudden your ace is a number 2 or 3 ect...and perhaps you may not think its that big of a deal but theres a fine line between winning a superbowl and not winning a superbowl...its not as if the eagles were 8-8 last year and are trying to make the playoffs...this is much bigger than that and the birds should be treating it as such...not releasing key players on their team two weeks before the season so they can possibly lock up a guy for future seasons...when in fact that could easily be done after they win the superbowl

[SunMo]

he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.

Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.

if you knew the rules of FA you could be a little better in this conversation.  he wasn't holding out, because he wasn't under contract, he hadn't signed yet, so yes, he does make the rules in that situation.  any team could've signed him anytime, but would've had to give the Eagles compensation.

and stop comparing what happens at real life working situations to what happens in the NFL.  they aren't even close to being comparable.

[hunt]

he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.

Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.

yeah, because the nfl works the same way as a "regular" job does.   

[rjs246]

Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.

Hooray! Someone gets it! Football is Corey Simon's job. He works for the Philadelphia Eagles. His bosses said, 'Hey, we'll pay you like a superstar for a year. All you have to do is come to work.' He said, 'Let me think on it for a few months while other people audition for my job.'

The audition's over. And while he was thinking, our meat and potatoes tackles proved that they could do Corey's job for less money. I'm pretty sure any manager in any industry would have made the exact same decision.

[PhillyPhreak54]

bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.

I respect your opinion. But I think they will be fine.

Simon was invisible for most of last year. DT is not a position where rookies have a huge adjustment period from college to pros like other spots so I think that Patterson can and will fill in just fine for him.

Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?

If this was a team that had a questionable defense I might be on your side of this argument, Mo. But this D is no slouch, bro.

One other thing I would like to point out...

You do realize that when he came back to the team he was likely going to be a rotation player, right? It was not even known whether he would've re-gained his starting position. Jim Johnson/Andy Reid could've very well reduced his PT because of the prolonged holdout and with how well the defense is performing.

So yeah, if this defense was a sieve I'd be lamenting the loss of Simon. But it's not.

i agree, the defense is going to be great.  but having Simon could do nothing but help.

we'll see, maybe the run D will be a lot better this year without him.  but Hollis has a strong history of getting hurt, so does Grassmanis.  hopefully taking a very good player out of that DT rotation will not lead to the DTs getting worn down later in the year.

To be honest, I think the defense will not be on the field as much as in years past and will not have to be worn down.

Potent offense = big leads
Opposing teams throwing to catch up vs. this defense = short drives

If they need to activate Keyonta Marshall to help absorb some reps, they'll do that. Or they can just go see Tom Heckert and whatever magic bottle he has in his office where he plucks good players out of nowhere and get a good rotation-type DT who doesn't have to be a star but just be solid.

[TexasEagle]

he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.

Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.

yeah, because the nfl works the same way as a "regular" job does.

A job is a job. You do what you're hired to do or you lose your job. This is such a hard concept to grasp I know. You might not like the comparison, but that doesn't invalidate it. The players don't make the rules, the teams and the front offices do while the current CBA remains. If the team says show up and do your job or we get rid of you, that's no different than a "regular" job. The difference comes with the monetary compensation, not when it comes to doing your job. Freakin' morons around here sometimes, I swear.

[SD_Eagle5]

phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me.  they had him for 5 million, this year.  this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl.  they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem. 
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it.  but right now, i just think it's a bad move.

THE EAGLES WANTED HIM BACK AND WERE WILLING TO PAY HIM $5.1 MILLION YET HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL. How long should they have to wait?

he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.

When did he say that? Have a link/quote? I think that was second hand info/speculation.

And like TE said, why does Corey get to make his own rules? The Eagles were willing to pay him $5.1 million yet he's gonna dictate to them when he shows? Sorry, that's not the way things work. He had plenty of time to make his decision.

[SunMo]

phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me.  they had him for 5 million, this year.  this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl.  they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem. 
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it.  but right now, i just think it's a bad move.

THE EAGLES WANTED HIM BACK AND WERE WILLING TO PAY HIM $5.1 MILLION YET HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL. How long should they have to wait?

he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.

When did he say that? Have a link/quote? I think that was second hand info/speculation.

And like TE said, why does Corey get to make his own rules? The Eagles were willing to pay him $5.1 million yet he's gonna dictate to them when he shows? Sorry, that's not the way things work. He had plenty of time to make his decision.

ok, you can have principles, i'd rather have hte best defense possible.

[Tomahawk]

bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.

I respect your opinion. But I think they will be fine.

Simon was invisible for most of last year. DT is not a position where rookies have a huge adjustment period from college to pros like other spots so I think that Patterson can and will fill in just fine for him.

Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?

If this was a team that had a questionable defense I might be on your side of this argument, Mo. But this D is no slouch, bro.

One other thing I would like to point out...

You do realize that when he came back to the team he was likely going to be a rotation player, right? It was not even known whether he would've re-gained his starting position. Jim Johnson/Andy Reid could've very well reduced his PT because of the prolonged holdout and with how well the defense is performing.

So yeah, if this defense was a sieve I'd be lamenting the loss of Simon. But it's not.

i agree, the defense is going to be great.  but having Simon could do nothing but help.

we'll see, maybe the run D will be a lot better this year without him.  but Hollis has a strong history of getting hurt, so does Grassmanis.  hopefully taking a very good player out of that DT rotation will not lead to the DTs getting worn down later in the year.

To be honest, I think the defense will not be on the field as much as in years past and will not have to be worn down.

Potent offense = big leads
Opposing teams throwing to catch up vs. this defense = short drives

If they need to activate Keyonta Marshall to help absorb some reps, they'll do that. Or they can just go see Tom Heckert and whatever magic bottle he has in his office where he plucks good players out of nowhere and get a good rotation-type DT who doesn't have to be a star but just be solid.

DARRELL RUSSELL!! 

[TexasEagle]

he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.

Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.

if you knew the rules of FA you could be a little better in this conversation. he wasn't holding out, because he wasn't under contract, he hadn't signed yet, so yes, he does make the rules in that situation. any team could've signed him anytime, but would've had to give the Eagles compensation.

and stop comparing what happens at real life working situations to what happens in the NFL. they aren't even close to being comparable.

Simon wasn't an UFA. If he was true UFA we wouldn't be having this stupid conversation as he could have gone anywhere from the start. He needed two teams (the Eagles and whomever else) to negotiate for his rights to play football, so other than making stupid demands and making the situation difficult, he had no choices other than to play for the Eagles, or help in facilitating a trade - and that only goes as far as some other club wanting him to begin with. You might want to look at your "rule book" before you try making condescending remarks again, smart guy.

[SunMo]

he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.

Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.

if you knew the rules of FA you could be a little better in this conversation. he wasn't holding out, because he wasn't under contract, he hadn't signed yet, so yes, he does make the rules in that situation. any team could've signed him anytime, but would've had to give the Eagles compensation.

and stop comparing what happens at real life working situations to what happens in the NFL. they aren't even close to being comparable.

Simon wasn't an UFA. If he was true UFA we wouldn't be having this stupid conversation as he could have gone anywhere from the start. He needed two teams (the Eagles and whomever else) to negotiate for his rights to play football, so other than making stupid demands and making the situation difficult, he had no choices other than to play for the Eagles, or help in facilitating a trade - and that only goes as far as some other club wanting him to begin with. You might want to look at your rule book before you try making condescending remarks again, smart guy.

um, sorry you're wrong again.  he didn't need the Eagles whatsoever.  they put the franchise tag on him.  that means he is a free agent that can negotiate with any team. however, the eagles have the right to match the offer.  if they don't the team he signs with has to give the Eagles 2 1st round draft picks.

[phattymatty]

Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?

Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?

[Tomahawk]

Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?

Doesn't making it to the Pro Bowl make you a Pro Bowl calibur player?

No. How many pro bowls has Sapp been to? Undoubtedly more than he deserved.