Eagles release Simon

Started by WEST is GOD, August 28, 2005, 08:20:06 PM

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SD_Eagle5

Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me.  they had him for 5 million, this year.  this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl.  they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem. 
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it.  but right now, i just think it's a bad move.

THE EAGLES WANTED HIM BACK AND WERE WILLING TO PAY HIM $5.1 MILLION YET HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL. How long should they have to wait?

Sgt PSN

Quote from: phattymatty on August 29, 2005, 12:24:17 PM
I am amazed at how many of you people think that every player should just keep their mouth shut and accept whatever a team is willing to give him.

You wouldn't be mad if a co-worker who was much less important to your company got paid more?  Well NFL players are in a position where they can try to get more, where most of us can't do that as easily.

I don't think Corey deserves what he was asking for either, but I don't blame anyone for trying.
 

I don't blame him for trying either.  I don't blame TO for trying.  But when it came down to it, TO still showed up and Simon chose not to.  Simon opted to hold out for more money and now he doesn't have a job.  For every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. 

ice grillin you

right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year

this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move

westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time

trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade

its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Larry

Simon wasn't on the team's plans this year:

If the FO had their druthers, Simon would've been traded for draft picks long ago.  That was the ultimate goal; but too bad it takes 3 to tango.
More Mahe please.

PhillyPhreak54

Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:37:39 PM
bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.

I respect your opinion. But I think they will be fine.

Simon was invisible for most of last year. DT is not a position where rookies have a huge adjustment period from college to pros like other spots so I think that Patterson can and will fill in just fine for him.

Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?

If this was a team that had a questionable defense I might be on your side of this argument, Mo. But this D is no slouch, bro.

One other thing I would like to point out...

You do realize that when he came back to the team he was likely going to be a rotation player, right? It was not even known whether he would've re-gained his starting position. Jim Johnson/Andy Reid could've very well reduced his PT because of the prolonged holdout and with how well the defense is performing.

So yeah, if this defense was a sieve I'd be lamenting the loss of Simon. But it's not.

Sgt PSN

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year

this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move

westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time

trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade

its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs

You need a beer man.  C'mon, I'll buy you a Whine-a-kin. 

SunMo

Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 29, 2005, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
phreak, it's not even about the long-term deal for me.  they had him for 5 million, this year.  this is TO's last year, this is the year they need to win the super bowl.  they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem. 
if they do extend Westbrook and Lewis and it was a direct result of getting the 5 million back from Simon, i will be better with it.  but right now, i just think it's a bad move.

THE EAGLES WANTED HIM BACK AND WERE WILLING TO PAY HIM $5.1 MILLION YET HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL. How long should they have to wait?
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.
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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year

this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move

westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time

trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade

its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs

Are you absolutely sure you're not a taterskins fan?  It would seem to me that your ideal team would be one run exactly like the taterskins and somehow getting the results of the Patriots.  I think you need to leave your dream world.

PhillyPhreak54

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year

this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move

westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time

trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade

its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs

Those cult leaders have been a helluva lot more right than wrong, have they not?

They've missed on a few, but they have hit on WAY more. You cannot deny that. I'm not going to rehash the discussions that were had all over when BMitch was let go. Or when Bobby and Troy were let go. Or when...you get my point.

What you are failing to see is that Simon was not just interested in THIS YEAR. He wanted a LONG TERM CONTRACT!!!

That is why he did not sign the tender. This year and that $5.1M meant nothing to him. Nothing whatsoever. If it did, he would've signed it and gotten to camp like Alexnader and James did.

Wingspan

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:37:10 PM
Spare me with the "what if Hollis gets hurt" stuff. Any one of those 53 guys is liable to get hurt. Sure Hollis loves to get injured, but DT is a deep position. They rotate and keep guys fresh.

What if Donovan got hurt?
What if Westbrook got hurt?

in light of that revelation the best move would be to start resting all the starters until the NFCCG.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:37:10 PMJohnson tells it like it is, does he not?

unless he's talking about simoneau  ;)
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Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM


its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs

these thoughts have been on the board before you even joined up. 

Cerevant

Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:34:34 PM
they had a pro-bowl caliber DT and they let him go for nothing, that's where I have the problem. 
Where the farg do you people keep getting this "Pro Bowl" shtein?

Player          Team    G      Ints  Yds   LG    TDs   FF    Rec   TDs   Pdef  Scks    SFTY  Cmb    Tck      Solo   Ast
Shaun Rogers    DET     16     0     0     0     0     0     1     0     5     4       0     68     48.0     40     20
La'Roi Glover   DAL     16     0     0     0     0     1     0     0     1     7       0     41     32.0     26     9
Kevin Williams  MIN     16     1     7     7     0     2     3     1     8     12      0     70     53.0     43     17
Corey Simon     PHI     16     0     0     0     0     0     0     0     1     5.5     0     32     26.0     24     6


Give me a break  ::)
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Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
right...its not about a long term contract...its about THIS year

this also cant be defended by saying well if they extend westbrook and lewis then its a good move

westbrook and lewis are here THIS year no matter what...they could have had them and simon for THIS year...then immediately took simon off the books at the end of THIS season and extended lewis and westbrook at that time

trash simon all you want by saying he always out of shape and doesnt give his all...when in fact he was out of shape once because of an injury...yet yous are on hollis thomas' sack even tho hes such a load that they have to limit his plays per game not to mention he hasnt had a healthy season since last decade

its hilarious to see you creeps coming out of the woodwork and saying simon doesnt give 100% is lazy blah blah blah...for god sakes someone comapred him to randy moss...all because you feel as if you have to defend your cult leaders banner and reid at all costs

You need a beer man.  C'mon, I'll buy you a Whine-a-kin. 

And then i'll buy you a Waaburger and some French Cries!
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TexasEagle

Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:47:05 PM
he said he was coming back after the last preseason game.

Since when do the players get to make the rules? Can you tell your that you want so much money and you won't show up until such and such a date? You'd get your ass fired for being stupid while they higher someone else to do your job. Hmm... sounds familiar.

SunMo

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2005, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 29, 2005, 12:37:39 PM
bottom line is they are not a better team without Simon, and they are trying to win the super bowl.

I respect your opinion. But I think they will be fine.

Simon was invisible for most of last year. DT is not a position where rookies have a huge adjustment period from college to pros like other spots so I think that Patterson can and will fill in just fine for him.

Why can't Mike Patterson do in his rookie year what Corey Simon did in his?

If this was a team that had a questionable defense I might be on your side of this argument, Mo. But this D is no slouch, bro.

One other thing I would like to point out...

You do realize that when he came back to the team he was likely going to be a rotation player, right? It was not even known whether he would've re-gained his starting position. Jim Johnson/Andy Reid could've very well reduced his PT because of the prolonged holdout and with how well the defense is performing.

So yeah, if this defense was a sieve I'd be lamenting the loss of Simon. But it's not.

i agree, the defense is going to be great.  but having Simon could do nothing but help.

we'll see, maybe the run D will be a lot better this year without him.  but Hollis has a strong history of getting hurt, so does Grassmanis.  hopefully taking a very good player out of that DT rotation will not lead to the DTs getting worn down later in the year.
I'm the Anti-Christ. You got me in a vendetta kind of mood.