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QuoteReaders Point to Race as Reason for Cowboys Fans in taterskins Land
By Toni Monkovic
Dallas Cowboys
Washington taterskins

Two readers offered an interesting theory for the number of Cowboys fans in taterskins territory, something that has puzzled us since receiving the data from DirecTV (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/survey-of-fan-loyalties-are-you-a-displaced-fan/) about displaced fans.

A reader named Sam wrote:

I have heard there are so many Cowboy fans in DC for racial reasons. The taterskins were one of the last teams to integrate their teams; the Cowboys were one of the first. So many African-Americans in DC rooted for the Cowboys over the taterskins b/c they are rivals and were on opposite ends of integration.

Another reader wrote:

With regards to the Dallas fans in DC, I was surprised no one mentioned the history of the taterskins. I don't have the names and datememorized, but I believe it's something like this. Way back when, one of the past owners of the Washington taterskins was quite a blatant racist. He refused to sign black players, even though the NFL had long since desegregated throughout the league. The taterskins may have even been the last team to have a black player signed.

Among fans, this had two effects. The taterskins became the favorite team in many less progressive Southern areas, which at that time lacked their own pro team (now covered by Carolina). Secondly, the burgeoning African-American population of the DC area didn't take kindly to this policy. So who to root for? How about the taterskins' greatest rival? Given the Cowboys' success through the 70s & 90s, and especially over the taterskins since Gibbs I era ended, that loyalty had no reason to be challenged.

I've lived in the DC area nearly all my life (after having been born in Texas, no less) and have also been struck by this situation. As opposed to one individual who thought the numbers could be accounted for by Texans moving up along with ex-President Bush, I can assure you there have been numerous, and very visible, Cowboys fans in DC for many years before W came around.

Many thanks for hearing me out. Again, very surprised no one posted with the above before. I encourage you to verify the details.

Thanks from a taterskins fan in Raiders territory.

Update 7:55 p.m.: KC Joyner, the Football Scientist, chimes in:

George Preston Marshall was the taterskins owner who opposed segregation. There are many stories about this but the most telling one relating to integration is told in Michael MacCambridge's book "America's Game". The gist of the tale is that it took the Kennedy administration threatening potential action against Marshall before he finally capitulated and agreed to integrate the team starting in 1962.

Update, 7:59 p.m.: From the Wikipedia entry on the taterskins:
Marshall continued to refuse to integrate the team, despite pressure from the Washington Post and the federal government of the United States (a typical comment by Post writer Shirley Povich was "Jim Brown, born ineligible to play for the taterskins, integrated their end zone three times yesterday").  bwahaha

On March 24, 1961, Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall warned Marshall to hire black players or face federal retribution. For the first time in history, the federal government had attempted to desegregate a professional sports team. Finally, under threat of civil rights legal action by the Kennedy administration, which would have prevented a segregated team from playing at the new District of Columbia Stadium, as it was owned by the U.S. Department of the Interior and thus federal government property, the taterskins became the final pro football franchise to integrate, in 1962, in their second season in the stadium.

QuoteSince he entered the league I had said for a while that Marcus Washington was destined to be here because of his last name (much like i think about nate washington) and when he finally ended up here i was very excited because of how he had progressed as a player. he had a couple really good seasons here as a taterskin and for that I would like to thank Marcus Washington. He was good to the media and to the fans, he made my oldest son very happy at Lambeau Field a couple years ago by signing a jersey for him, and he is in general a great guy to have in the locker room. So to Marcus thanks for being a great role model on and off the gridiron

Quotetaterskins must find way to bolster offensive line

The taterskins found out down the stretch just what can happen to an aged and patchwork offensive line. Injuries hit the group in December, forcing backups into uncompromising positions and revealing that it is a position of concern heading into next season.

It also hurts that the team is in a very tight salary-cap situation, must decide what it will do with free-agent OLG Pete Kendall and currently has only four draft picks with which to help restock the position.

Kendall will be 36 in July and could get a little attention if he hits the open market. OLT Chris Samuels turns 32 in training camp. C Casey Rabach reaches 32 in September. ORG Randy Thomas has a serious injury history and just turned 33. ORT Jon Jansen is 33, and though he told PFW last month that he'd like to play at least one more season in Washington, he is high-priced and could be cut to alleviate cap concerns, though that would leave a big hole.

Stephon Heyer is young and has shown promise, but he was replaced by Jansen early in the 2008 season. Plus, there are some who feel that Heyer never will be a starting-caliber tackle because of his inconsistency and poor performances against top talents.

The only other young lineman on the roster with promise is OLG Chad Rinehart, a third-round selection last year. He didn't play a snap last season, even after the taterskins were eliminated from postseason play, and was inactive for 14 of 16 games. Although some have suggested that Rinehart could be Kendall's eventual replacement at left guard, there are others who feel that he has a very limited upside and might never be more than a backup or swing player.

The taterskins hold the 13th pick in the draft, and there is a lot of pressure on them to improve either the offensive or defensive lines. There should be very good players at both positions available at both spots, although there appears to be less depth on the offensive side after the first round.

But drafting linemen high has not been the taterskins' way since Daniel Snyder bought the team. Since 2000, Snyder's first draft as owner, the team has used only 14 of their 57 draft picks on offensive or defensive linemen. Of those, only three — Samuels, Rinehart and Derrick Dockery — were taken in Round Three or earlier.

QuotetaterskinS DUMP WASHINGTON
Posted by Mike Florio on February 20, 2009, 1:59 p.m. EST

taterskins coach Jim Zorn says that the team will be active in free agency.

They've created some cap room for the coming spending spree by cutting linebacker Marcus Washington, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

The move frees up $4.5 million in cap space — which will allow the team to make a big splash with another big name who'll eventually be cut a few years from now to make room for the next big name with which they hope to make a big splash.

Washington, 31, instantly becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Meanwhile, the taterskins' approach to free agency has yielded zero Super Bowl appearances and counting during the salary cap era. 
   

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There's no long line waiting to pry Albert Haynesworth from the Titans.

In fact, Washington might be the logical landing spot. Hmmmm. I wonder why taterskins owner Dan Snyder was having dinner with the agent for Haynesworth, Chad Speck, at Morton's here Saturday night. I'm sure they were just talking about how it was colder here than at the Arctic Circle."

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4. Washington taterskins

Though they currently have former first-rounder Jason Campbell under contract for another season, the taterskins are always anxious to make a big splash and are never afraid to cough up draft picks.

Ten years ago, the Skins surrendered a first-round pick, a second-round pick, and a third-round pick for quarterback Brad Johnson, a career journeyman who had been a starter for less than two seasons, and who had real durability questions.

Today, most teams regard draft picks with greater value. The taterskins don't; they were ready to give up a first-round pick and possibly a second one last year for Chad Johnson. So if they decide to make a run at Cassel, they'll likely be the ones to land him.

QuoteTaylor to return to Washington
By Jason Cole

INDIANAPOLIS - Despite an injury-riddled and disappointing season, Washington is expected to bring back defensive end Jason Taylor and not ask him to restructure his $8 million base salary for next season.
"We're not doing anything with Jason," Washington vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said. "He's going to be with us and that's it. That's the plan."

Taylor, 34, played in only 13 games with eight starts last season and was limited to 3 ½ sacks for the season. It was his lowest total since 1999, his third season in the league. That led to speculation that the taterskins would want to restructure his deal.

"When we went there, remember, they asked us for a two-year commitment," agent Gary Wichard said. "Well, we asked them for the same thing."

Quote from: Diomedes on February 24, 2009, 09:40:49 AM
Well pookie bear, next year you can start the thread and call it whatever you like.  Until then, you'll just have to suffer.

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 23, 2009, 10:02:32 AM
peter king:

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There's no long line waiting to pry Albert Haynesworth from the Titans.

In fact, Washington might be the logical landing spot. Hmmmm. I wonder why taterskins owner Dan Snyder was having dinner with the agent for Haynesworth, Chad Speck, at Morton's here Saturday night. I'm sure they were just talking about how it was colder here than at the Arctic Circle."

Quote from: methdeez on February 24, 2009, 05:58:39 PM
Alo they are 3 Mil. over the cap right now, what kinda havoc would they have to unleash on there team to make this work?

QuoteMr. Snyder,

A lot can be said about our mistakes in the past, and how, as an owner, we've made some pretty miscalculated decisions with player personnel. I'm not one of those fans who want to point out these shortcomings, because I feel for every Brandon Lloyd there's a Santana Moss...and for every Adam Archuletta...there's a Randy Thomas, London Fletcher, or even Marcus Washington.

I champion this move. We are who we thought we were. I'm in sales...and I know what it takes to get ink on paper from your client base. I love that we DOMINATE when it comes to getting who we want. One of these times, we'll get it figured out, and it just "might" happen with this ALbert Haynesworth acquisition. "DT" is one of the most under-the-radar positions that adds so much intrinsic value to other positions. Rocky, London, Jason Taylor........and of course, Dr. Lurk himself, Laron Landry, will all benefit for this man's presence on the field.


Thank you - and way to close em' Danny.


**Side Note**

If anyone wants to chime in on the "attitude" of Albert Haynesworth...and how he stomped the head of some Dallas Cowboy who was not donning a helmet at the time........please email me at jmicrodoc@yahoo.com and I'll tell you how I really feel about that one....offline...outside of this forum.



The entire league....is cooked.

Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2009, 09:07:46 AM
It's easy to laugh at the Skins for signings like these. And it's even easier to laugh at their fans for stroking their collective rubbery woodrows every time they sign anyone. But aggressively locking down two talented players like this within hours of free agency starting is something that I wish the Eagles did more of. If they want someone, do what it takes to get them and get them quickly. Even if it isn't the top name on the free agency list, if they have a target go get them and don't play chicken with the rest of the teams in the league.

Quote from: Magical_Retard on February 27, 2009, 09:24:26 AMId rather have a ownder like Snyder but minus the power he has and a competent GM.

Quote from: BigEd76 on February 27, 2009, 10:58:47 PM
Derrick Dockery returns to Washington.....5/$26M/$8.5M guar

QuoteHaynesworth, barring a miracle, will never see the fifth year of the contract. In essence, he signed a four-year, $48-million contract Friday with the taterskins. That will carry him through his 11th season, in 2012 (barring a work stoppage in 2011, which is a real possibility). Here is the real contract:


Year Signing Bonus Option Bonus Salary

2009 $5 million -- $6 million

2010 -- $21 million $3.6 million

*2011 -- -- $5.4 million

2012 -- -- $7.2 million

Totals: four years, $48.2 million.



The asterisk is for an additional $1 million he could earn in an offseason workout bonus before camp.

The seven-year deal calls for Haynesworth to earn $29 million in 2013, $10.8 million in 2014 and $12 million in 2015.

I am reminded of players in Washington who were scheduled to make far less and who never made it to the pay window in the later years of their contracts. Deion Sanders signed a seven-year, $56-million deal with Washington in 2000, and lasted one year. Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd similarly busted in 2006.

The last three years of the Haynesworth deal are agent recruiting years. They have no bearing on reality.

Quote from: methdeez on March 02, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
This is Peter King's take on the Haynewsorth contract:

QuoteHaynesworth, barring a miracle, will never see the fifth year of the contract. In essence, he signed a four-year, $48-million contract Friday with the taterskins. That will carry him through his 11th season, in 2012 (barring a work stoppage in 2011, which is a real possibility). Here is the real contract:


Year Signing Bonus Option Bonus Salary

2009 $5 million -- $6 million

2010 -- $21 million $3.6 million

*2011 -- -- $5.4 million

2012 -- -- $7.2 million

Totals: four years, $48.2 million.



The asterisk is for an additional $1 million he could earn in an offseason workout bonus before camp.

The seven-year deal calls for Haynesworth to earn $29 million in 2013, $10.8 million in 2014 and $12 million in 2015.

I am reminded of players in Washington who were scheduled to make far less and who never made it to the pay window in the later years of their contracts. Deion Sanders signed a seven-year, $56-million deal with Washington in 2000, and lasted one year. Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd similarly busted in 2006.

The last three years of the Haynesworth deal are agent recruiting years. They have no bearing on reality.

$12 mill for four years is a pretty good deal for that dude.

Quote from: reese125 on March 02, 2009, 04:11:23 PM
Jason Taylor cut

Quote from: reese125 on March 02, 2009, 04:11:23 PM
Jason Taylor cut

QuoteMon, 23 Feb 2009 05:49:09 -0800

Jason Reid and Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, report Washington taterskins DL Jason Taylor was miscast in the team's defensive scheme last season, according to team sources. The team's scheme has relied on stopping the run above all else, which is not considered one of Taylor's strengths. Taylor lacked the freedom to simply blitz upfield and attack any gap he pleased. The taterskins have discussed ways to better use Taylor during their offseason meetings. He is expected to have greater freedom next season, team sources said.

Quote from: FastFreddie on March 02, 2009, 04:20:48 PM

Quote from: reese125 on March 02, 2009, 04:11:23 PM
Jason Taylor cut

So much for the theory of that not happening.

P.S.  GET!

QuoteHe talked about the negotiations with the taterskins and said he could have gotten more money from another suitor, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He said the Bucs offered $42 million guaranteed and the New York Giants had a package in the $80-$85 million range on the table.

QuotePRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release

March 5, 2009


taterskinS SIGN PUNTER DIRK JOHNSON

LOUDOUN COUNTY, VA – The Washington taterskins announced today that they have signed punter Dirk Johnson. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Johnson played in 12 games for Arizona last season, averaging 41.8 yards on 40 punts, with a net average of 35.2. He dropped 13 punts inside the 20-yard line, compared to just four touchbacks.

The 6-foot, 210-pound Johnson spent the majority of his career in Philadelphia, where he was the team's primary punter for four seasons (2003-06). Johnson punted in all 16 games for the Eagles during the 2003, 2004 and 2006 seasons and also played in the first seven games of 2005 before suffering a groin strain and being placed on injured reserve. Johnson also handled the punting duties in seven postseason games for Philadelphia, including Super Bowl XXXIX against New England.

In addition to his seasons in Philadelphia and Arizona, Johnson played one game each for New Orleans in 2002 and Chicago in 2007. For his career, he has played in 69 regular season games and averaged 41.7 yards on 320 punts, with a net average of 35.9.

The Montrose, Colo., native was a three-time Division II All-America selection (1995-97) at Northern Colorado. The 33-year-old was born June 1, 1975.

QuoteHi there.
Some of you know me.

Some of you have known me for quite some time.

For those of you that don't know me, I'm TK.



And I just dusted off my Ban Button.



It's true. Over the last two years, I've been able to step back from ES for a bit as I was no longer the only constant active mod here. By having a few others on Staff such as Jumbo, zoony, & PCS actually be active when needed, it's allowed me to step back a bit from ES & let these guys do some of the grunt work. And honestly, I've enjoyed it. It's made things quite a bit less stressful for me.And those of you that do know me, know that a stressless TK is a good TK.

However, as I said, I just dusted off my Ban Button. Seems like there has been a constant rise in the level stupidity here lately. So, I'm just going to start reading for the next week. Maybe two. And if you're in the Stadium & you're being stupid, or starting what I judge to be an attention whoring/gotta see your name up in lights/or just plain stoopid thread to show how dense you really are, then I'm just going to ban you.

The level of stupid here is coming to an end. Consider this your only warning.

QuoteTITANS MOVING FORWARD WITH TAMPERING CASE AGAINST taterskinS?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2009, 11:19 a.m. EST

G.M. Mike Reinfeldt hinted at the possibility earlier this week, and Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean reports that it isn't going away.

The Titans remain interested in pursuing the possibility of charging the taterskins with tampering.

The preliminary evidence that the taterskins encroached on Tennessee's exclusive negotiation territory before the free-agency period opened?  Agent Chad Speck reportedly had dinner with taterskins owner Daniel Snyder at the Scouting Combine.

Haynesworth shrugs the possibility that Speck and Snyder talked about the team's interest in Albert:  "I don't think so," Haynesworth said.  "Yeah, Chad told me he met with the taterskins at the Combine, but they were talking about Malcolm [Kelly] and how he could become the next Andre Johnson and stuff like that."

Malcolm Kelly?  The next Andre Johnson?

(OK, I laughed so hard I think I need to go change my pants.  Be right back.)

So, if we are to believe Haynesworth, his $100 million deal (actually, $48 million over four with $41 million guaranteed) was negotiated from scratch in roughly the time it takes to bake a turkey, at a time when the agent's phone was reportedly "exploding" with calls from other teams.

Though Wyatt's article suggests that the Titans are in the process of compiling evidence to support their claim, the reality is that they've already got enough to proceed.  Apart from the admission from Haynesworth that Speck had communications with the taterskins at the Combine, Peter King of SI.com strongly implied (if not flat-out stated) that the taterskins tampered with Cowboys defensive end Chris Canty, who apparently was the leverage the taterskins used to avoid paying Haynesworth $60 million guaranteed.

The real question is whether Titans owner Bud Adams has the stomach to poke a finger in the eye of a business partner.  The fact that the NFL will do nothing about tampering unless and until the aggrieved team objects means that, in many cases, the transgression is overlooked because these teams ultimately prefer to get along — especially at a time when great pains are being taken to demonstrate a united front against the NFLPA.

If/when the Titans file tampering charges, then the league office will track down phone records and e-mails and other evidence aimed at proving — just as the league ultimately did a year or so ago when the Niners were busted for tampering with Bears linebacker Lance Briggs — that the effort to recruit Haynesworth began at some point before 12:01 a.m. EST on February 27.

In our view, there's plenty of smoke.  The Titans simply need to ask themselves whether they're prepared to ask the league office to go looking for the fire

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Source says Washington has serious interest in QB
The taterskins have serious interest in Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, an NFL source said Tuesday, and have entered talks about a possible three-way deal to acquire him.

Two NFL sources confirmed the possibility of a three-way trade, with Kansas City being mentioned by one source as a possibility.

The taterskins, through a team spokesman, denied interest in Cutler. However, a league source was adamant that Washington has shown interest.

"They're trying to do something," one NFL source said of the taterskins.

"Whether or not it materializes is another matter, but [taterskins owner Dan Snyder] is on this hard. They don't trust Jason Campbell."

Cutler is involved in a dispute with Denver after the Broncos had discussions about trading him to New England for quarterback Matt Cassel.

First-year Broncos coach Josh McDaniels met with Culter this past weekend. Afterward, Cutler said he could not trust McDaniels and wanted to be traded.

Denver has said they don't want to trade Cutler for draft picks, meaning the taterskins or the third team would have to surrender at least one top player. The taterskins could also end up with Denver tight end Tony Scheffler, who is represented by the same agent as Culter — Bus Cook.

Fueling the speculation is the close relationship between former Denver coach Mike Shanahan and taterskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato. Shanahan, who traded several times with Cerrato while with Denver, could provide the endorsement needed for Cutler.

Also, after the season Cerrato gave Campbell a tepid endorsement as Washington's quarterback of the future. Campbell is entering the last year of his contract and the taterskins have not had discussions about extending his deal.

taterskins coach Jim Zorn has praised Campbell publicly this offseason.
The strong-armed Cutler, 25, made the Pro Bowl this past season after throwing 25 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. In three seasons he's tossed 54 touchdowns and 37 interceptions. In 16 games this past season, Campbell threw 13 touchdowns and six interceptions.

Cutler signed a six-year, $48-million contract in 2006. Campbell has a base salary of $2.5 million this season with a cap number of $7.5 million.

Quote from: EagleFeva on March 18, 2009, 08:49:03 AM
Good.  Whatever keeps future HOF'er Colt Brennan off the field longer.

Quote from: FastFreddie on March 18, 2009, 08:29:55 AM
Cutler is an upgrade over Campbell but not a huge one, especially against the Eagles.  Campbell's been pretty good against the Birds.

QuoteBroncos get: LaRon Landry, Brady Quinn
Browns get: Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell
taterskins get: Draft pick, Jay Cutler

For those who may be confused.

Jay Cutler contract info:
7/27/2006: Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. The deal contains $11 million guaranteed, including a $1.7 million signing bonus.
2009: $1.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus)
2010: $1.4225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus)
2011: $1.81 million (+ $12 million roster bonus)
2012: Free Agent.

Quote from: FastFreddie on March 18, 2009, 10:08:13 AM
Mmm, Hoyda!'s.

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taterskins Trying to Land Cutler (Update 2)
The Washington taterskins are actively pursuing a trade for disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler tonight, according to NFL sources.

One source said the taterskins are trying to complete the deal as quickly as possible although at least two other teams, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets, are also reportedly interested in acquiring Cutler. The two-year starter became available today when the Broncos announced they would trade him. Denver officials could not be reached for comment tonight.

The taterskins declined comment.

The source said taterskins owner Daniel M. Snyder has been pushing for the trade in an attempt to finally solve the team's decades-long pursuit of a franchise quarterback.

Another NFL source said a high-ranking taterskins official contacted one NFL team today about the possibility of trading quarterback Jason Campbell for a second-round pick in the upcoming draft. That source said he interpreted the taterskins' overture as an attempt by Washington to put together a package to acquire Cutler.

taterskins spokesman Zack Bolno denied the team had inquired about dealing Campbell.

Team officials have publicly denied interest in Cutler. Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, said March 17 that the team was not pursuing Cutler and coach Jim Zorn dismissed the notion while meeting with reporters at the NFL owners' meetings in Dana Point, Calif., last week.

If the taterskins fail to acquire Cutler, they risk alienating Campbell, who has been the starter the past two seasons. Campbell, reached earlier today on his cellphone while he was at a charity event, said he wants to stay in Washington.

''I want to be here, I feel like there's a lot I want to accomplish and that's what I've been working to do, but you know it's not in your control,'' Campbell said. ''All I can do is just keep doing what I'm doing, working hard and waiting to see what happens.''

Last season, he was among the main targets of frustrated fans, who questioned his intelligence and leadership skills on Internet message boards and sports-talk radio, during the team's 2-6 second-half collapse after a 6-2 start. The offensive line struggled in pass protection, and the receiving corps did not produce as Snyder and Cerrato hoped, but "everyone always want to blame the quarterback," Campbell said today. "I know I'm improving, I'm working to get better every day, but some people are ... you just know that's the way it is."

After the taterskins failed to qualify for the playoffs, Cerrato declined to commit to Campbell as the quarterback beyond the 2009 season. Zorn has continued to publicly support Campbell, who in only his second full season as a starter last season established personal bests with an 84.3 passer rating, 3,245 yards and 13 touchdown passes while throwing only six interceptions.

Zorn, however, has stopped short of declaring Campbell a "franchise quarterback," saying the former first-round draft pick possesses the skills to become an elite player. Having played in three offensive systems in his first four NFL seasons with Washington, Campbell was eager to begin his second season in Zorn's version of the West Coast offense.

"I was definitely looking forward to being in the same offense for another year and seeing what we could together," Campbell said. "Being in a different system almost every year, you just don't get as comfortable as when you're in the same system for a lot of years. It's just different."

Although Campbell still hopes to be Washington's starting quarterback in fall, "with all the stuff out there, you know crazy stuff happens in this league," he said. "You just have to be ready for anything.

"A bunch of trade talk is what got Cutler mad at Denver, that's the reason all that stuff started with him, but I wouldn't do all that. The thing you understand that there's no loyalty in this game, so you just have to work hard. That's all you can do."

Cutler is one of only three NFL quarterbacks to throw for at least 25 touchdown passes and 4,500 yards last season, and has developed well the past two seasons as a starter, to the point where some believe he is on the cusp of becoming a star. A trade for a young quarterback of his pedigree is somewhat unprecedented, and the Broncos had attempted to repair the frayed relationship between Cutler and rookie head coach Josh McDaniels, not wanting to deal him until determining the situation was beyond repair.

Cutler expressed a desire to leave after the Broncos reportedly pursued a trade for New England quarterback Matt Cassel, whom McDaniels had coached with the Patriots, and the situation deteriorated to the point where Bowlen finally decided to try to trade Cutler.

Cutler was the 11th overall pick in the 2006 draft out of Vanderbilt, and was heralded for his strong arm, size, strength and athleticism. He replaced Jake Plummer as Denver's starter in late November of his rookie season, and finished 2007 as the league's 12th-rated passer. In 2008 he reached the Pro Bowl, but some scouts have pointed to his high interception totals as a cause of concern. He has been intercepted 32 times in 32 games the past two seasons, and threw at least one interception in 13 of his 16 starts last year. Cutler has failed to post a winning record as a starter, although Denver's poor defense certainly played a role in that.

Washington's West Coast offense under Zorn is not identical to what Mike Shanahan ran for Cutler in Denver, although there are similar principles. The taterskins also lack the star wide receivers Cutler worked with in Denver.

QuoteThe taterskins reportedly offered Jason Campbell to an undisclosed team for a second-round pick on Wednesday.
The offer was probably contingent on Washington getting Jay Cutler from the Broncos with the pick as part of a package, which might also have included the No. 13 overall choice. The Skins have made it clear that they aren't committed to Campbell by balking at a long-term contract and now this.

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
yeah i heard he choked and the defense gave up 40 pts a game the last three

Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 02, 2009, 09:28:32 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
yeah i heard he choked and the defense gave up 40 pts a game the last three

Very close to it:

15 Sun Dec.14 at Carolina Bank of America Stadium L 30-10 CBS
16 Sun Dec.21 VS. BUFFALO INVESCO Field at Mile High L 30-23 CBS
17 Sun Dec.28 at San Diego Qualcomm Stadium L 52-21

Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 02, 2009, 12:30:12 PM

Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 02, 2009, 09:28:32 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
yeah i heard he choked and the defense gave up 40 pts a game the last three

Very close to it:

15 Sun Dec.14 at Carolina Bank of America Stadium L 30-10 CBS
16 Sun Dec.21 VS. BUFFALO INVESCO Field at Mile High L 30-23 CBS
17 Sun Dec.28 at San Diego Qualcomm Stadium L 52-21

So let me get this straight: it's not Cutler's fault his team can't score over 30 points, it's the defenses fault for giving up that many. But in the case of McNabb, it's his fault because the offense only scored 25 pts. while the defense gave up over 30?

Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 02, 2009, 12:30:12 PM

Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 02, 2009, 09:28:32 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
yeah i heard he choked and the defense gave up 40 pts a game the last three

Very close to it:

15 Sun Dec.14 at Carolina Bank of America Stadium L 30-10 CBS
16 Sun Dec.21 VS. BUFFALO INVESCO Field at Mile High L 30-23 CBS
17 Sun Dec.28 at San Diego Qualcomm Stadium L 52-21

So let me get this straight: it's not Cutler's fault his team can't score over 30 points, it's the defenses fault for giving up that many. But in the case of McNabb, it's his fault because the offense only scored 25 pts. while the defense gave up over 30?

Quote from: FastFreddie on April 02, 2009, 10:32:18 AM
I think IGY guessed all along that he would be and wanted to make sure to get on Cutler's jock from the get go.

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2009, 12:54:45 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 02, 2009, 12:30:12 PM

Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 02, 2009, 09:28:32 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
yeah i heard he choked and the defense gave up 40 pts a game the last three

Very close to it:

15 Sun Dec.14 at Carolina Bank of America Stadium L 30-10 CBS
16 Sun Dec.21 VS. BUFFALO INVESCO Field at Mile High L 30-23 CBS
17 Sun Dec.28 at San Diego Qualcomm Stadium L 52-21

So let me get this straight: it's not Cutler's fault his team can't score over 30 points, it's the defenses fault for giving up that many. But in the case of McNabb, it's his fault because the offense only scored 25 pts. while the defense gave up over 30?

cutler wasnt given the ball with two minutes left to win a huge game...big difference btwn having to score 24 pts and having to score 44

the only people saying anything about cutlers last three games are the people trying to say he choked so that they can make mcnabb look better because there is no defense for mcnabbs choking over the last 10 years...

to be honest im not really sure what cutlers last three games have to do with anything

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2009, 01:34:54 PM
dont make me bust out my beermonkey taterskin bear

Quote
Source: Cutler trade imminent
By John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer 4/3/09

The taterskins are close to completing a deal for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, according to an NFL source.

The source, who told The Examiner of the taterskins' interest in Cutler two weeks ago, was uncertain what Washington had to surrender in the deal and said it's "going down as we speak." The taterskins have shopped current starter quarterback Jason Campbell.

The source had said in a separate conversation about five minutes earlier that Washington appeared to be bumped from the favorite position in favor of another team, possibly Cleveland. However, after hanging up he quickly called back to say, "It changed."

Quote from: ice grillin you on April 02, 2009, 04:11:13 PM
the only hope is that lil danni gets epically raped in the deal...and i dont mean normal rapeage but other worldy rapeage...

and it sounds like that will happen....the orignal asking price was not cheap and you know danny came in way above that...then another team somehow outbid him and i bet he came back ten fold on that

Quote from: General_Failure on April 02, 2009, 04:30:00 PM
I was hoping they'd throw in Portis just for the hell of it.

Quote from: BigEd76 on April 02, 2009, 06:16:00 PM
reaction (http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=284411)

QuoteBear in mind to know what the taterskins are doing one must actually speak to someone employed by the taterskins. The taterskins were never quite as into Cutler as was reported. The taterskins were not as into Owens as reported. The taterskins were not as into Fassel as was reported. The taterskins did not even consider hiring the Giants coordinator, as was reported.

There is no question there are sources outside taterskin Park who talk about what the taterskins may do or contact they may make. And you can often connect the dots on that. Sometimes you can't.

QuoteOur FO is Using Reverse Psychology With Campbell(Merged)
Ever since We drafted him, he was given the name, "Future of the Washington taterskins." He was basically given the job, before he had even been to a practice. He knew this was his team.

Fast forward to now...he still has a secure sense that he is the QB, although he has not proven his consistency yet. He knows the old guy Collins isn't much of a threat, and Brennan is still 3rd string. He isn't playing with a certain "urgency" that other QB's seem to play with. He is a little too comfortable in the pocket, which leads to sacks(O-line is also to blame.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Campbell needs to be fired up because we all know he is not lazy and works his *** off. I'm saying, that he needs a fire lit up his ***, to give him that sense of urgency. He needs to know, that at all times his job is at stake. If he can't deal with that pressure, than he isn't fit to be a QB.

Here is where our FO comes in. They haven't exactly shown "enough" interest in Cutler, but enough interest to make Campbell feel added pressure to perform. It may be the spark Campbell needs to get to the next level.

Think about it, the conventional "we support you 100%" phrase has not worked with Campbell. We have shown him far too much support, handing him the starting spot on a silver plate. Maybe, doing the opposite will have a positive effect on him.

Campbell is "the guy" IMO. He is who we should build around. Maybe we just need to take a different approach

Quote from: ATV on April 02, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
George W Bush is to Barrack Obama as Jack Kent Cooke is to Daniel Snyder.

Quote from: Diomedes on April 03, 2009, 01:26:15 PM
yeah, life is not ATV's strong suit

Quote from: phattymatty on April 15, 2009, 02:45:10 PM
i try to hate him but i can't.

QuoteThisGuy Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:11 am
I can't tell whether my overflowing envy of his life causes anger or joy. TBD.

Quote from: FastFreddie on April 15, 2009, 11:08:47 AM
If Delhomme plays like he did against the Cardinals in the playoffs, Munson could beat the Panthers.

QuoteSanchez, Toler On taterskins' Radar
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 15, 2009, 4:26 p.m.

It's no secret that Washington taterskins team owner Daniel Snyder has grown enamored of USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, according to Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

However, the taterskins are also keeping a close eye on St. Pauls (Va.) cornerback Greg Toler, an emerging small-school prospect.

Toler, a Washington, D.C.. native who had a private workout and visit with the NFC East club, is reportedly under consideration for the taterskins' third-round draft pick.

Toler has 4.37 speed in the 40-yard dash.

Toler has visited virtually half of the NFL teams. Per the report, he has also made a good impression on the Baltimore Ravens, New York Jets, Miami Dolphins and the New England Patriots.

QuoteMan punched after removing Cowboys flag from car
The Associated Press
Wednesday, April 15, 2009; 3:21 PM

WASHINGTON -- Police said a man was punched in the face after grabbing a Dallas Cowboys flag from a car in downtown Washington. D.C. police Lt. Eric Hayes said someone snatched the flag from a car as it was stopped in traffic Tuesday evening and apparently threw it to the ground.

Police and witnesses said that by the time the man crossed the street, someone exited the car and struck him in the face before driving away.

Police said the incident may have been motivated by team loyalty, or the motorist might not have wanted anyone to touch his car.

Police said a man was taken from the scene to be treated for a bruised forehead.

Quote
Did 'Skins Tell Cutler Shanahan Was Next?
Posted by Mike Florio: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:12 PM

At a time when rumors continue to make the rounds that Mike Shanahan could end up being the next coach of the taterskins, another rumor has wound its way to our doorstep.

There's talk that, during the taterskins' conversations with quarterback Jay Cutler regarding a potential trade that would have brought Cutler to D.C., Cutler was informed that the taterskins would next be targeting Shanahan.

We assume that the pursuit of Shanahan would have commenced after the 2009 season. But, when it comes to the taterskins, we rule out nothing.

If they'd gotten Cutler, we have a feeling that the very next order of business would have been to get Shanahan.

QuoteBy Michael Wilbon
Thursday, April 23, 2009

I hate the NFL draft. Okay, it's not the draft I hate, actually. It's the numbingly excessive hype, the mock drafts, the same-day declaration of winners and losers, the five hours it takes to get through the first round, the pontification, the overstatement. In the last five years I've probably watched a total of five minutes of the draft. For me, it's become must-not-see TV.

But I'll watch a little bit of the draft on Saturday for the sole purpose of seeing whether the Washington taterskins will continue to play Fantasy Football and draft Mark Sanchez. It's akin to watching a NASCAR race to see an accident. It's become a perverse pleasure. The taterskins, it seems, ought to be in the business of finding the next American Idol, not professional football.

Sanchez, the Southern Cal quarterback for less than two full seasons, is the most recent piece of eye candy Dan Snyder just has to have. Last month it was Jay Cutler. It's always somebody -- anybody other than the guy the taterskins already have. If Sanchez was in his fourth year with the taterskins and making steady but unspectacular progress and Jason Campbell was a strong-armed draft prospect, Snyder would be ready to throw Sanchez overboard for Campbell.

Don't get me wrong, Sanchez is said by everybody who knows about these things to be an outstanding prospect, though the failure rate for underclassmen quarterbacks is very high, according to the ESPN draft master himself, Mel Kiper.

Kiper is about the only person I trust to talk to about the draft because he has no vested interest and will actually tell you the truth as he sees it. Anyway, Kiper says of Sanchez, "He has a good enough arm, is super accurate rolling left or right, shows excellent feet in the pocket and has a high football acumen. He's a born leader who plays the game with a great deal of enthusiasm."

So, Sanchez is a fine prospect. He's also handsome and charismatic and looks good sitting in Cafe Milano. But it'll cost the taterskins at least a couple of picks to move up high enough to take him, which might mean in the top three of the draft. Kiper also points out that Ben Roethlisberger is the only underclassman to excel at quarterback in recent drafts. So, Sanchez ain't can't-miss.

And here's the more important thing. The taterskins, last I checked, need other things. Lots of other things. They need at least one tackle, could certainly use a strongside linebacker. Brian Cushing, an outside linebacker, might be a USC prospect of greater value to the taterskins. The team needs to replace the departed Marcus Washington, and Rocky McIntosh's knee is problematic. But, of course, Cushing is not famous. Possibly, the taterskins could trade down and get Cushing and Oklahoma right tackle Phil Loadholt. But trading down? Nothing earthshaking about that. No draft day knockout there, buddy.

So, I'll watch a few minutes of the first round to see if the taterskins do what they usually do, which is to say: swing for the fences. If Dan Snyder owned a baseball team he'd have nine cleanup hitters.

The smart thing to do would be trade down, come away with two projected starters, one at right tackle and one at linebacker, and if possible, add a pick that can be used to trade for a veteran receiver, which might actually demonstrate a commitment to Campbell and all the work he's done over the last year with Jim Zorn. Apparently, there's nothing sexy about simply going to work and getting better or establishing some continuity. That's not the Fantasy Football way.

But the taterskins don't care a whole lot about adding draft picks, just spending them. Just a year ago they wasted a second-round pick on Jason Taylor, a pick that ought to translate into a three- or four-year starter in the NFL.
Vinny Cerrato said, "The way it turned out, you wish Jason would have stayed healthy." Is there no anticipation at taterskins Park that a 35-year-old veteran is unlikely to stay healthy for very long?

So, they gave up too much to get Jason Taylor. They gave up even more to get Jason Campbell, not that those picks are important now as they plot ways to dump him. So, why not spend a couple of No. 1s and start over again with another quarterback. In the taterskins draft world, franchise quarterbacks grow on trees. If they don't win a Super Bowl in two years, hell, just get another one. All it'll cost is a couple of No. 1s.

Hey, I'm not complaining. The taterskins could make the first round of the draft fairly exciting. I might have to watch for more than 20 minutes if the taterskins are scrambling up the board to get Sanchez away from the Jets, dropping No. 1 picks like $20 tips to a maitre d'.

If it's smart use of the draft you want, stick with the Pittsburgh Steelers or the New England Patriots. If it's entertainment in prime time on a Saturday night, the taterskins are the team for you.

QuoteSource: taterskins' interest in Sanchez miffs Campbell

Daily News Wire Services

Washington starting quarterback Jason Campbell was not happy that the taterskins were thinking about drafting Southern California QB Mark Sanchez in the first round.
"It definitely was a shock," Campbell said yesterday, "when I started hearing Sanchez talk."

Had the taterskins drafted Sanchez, Campbell would have asked for a trade, said a person familiar with the situation who requested anonymity.

Asked whether that was so, Campbell said, "No comment."

Sanchez ended up being drafted by the New York Jets.

For now, Campbell is still with the taterskins, having survived the team's second attempt to acquire someone else.

Just 3 weeks earlier, the taterskins tried to trade for Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler. When the deal fell through, there was a clear-the-air meeting between Campbell, owner Dan Snyder, front office chief Vinny Cerrato and coach Jim Zorn. Afterward, Cerrato announced: "We are all on the same page and we are moving forward."

But Sanchez wasn't on that particular page, at least not in Campbell's mind.

"It's an awkward situation," Campbell answered, "just because after the Cutler deal, we did sit down and talk - and then the Sanchez talk came up."

Last year, in his first year running a West Coast offense under Zorn, Campbell had 13 touchdown passes and six interceptions, while guiding the taterskins to an 8-8 season.

Campbell is entering the final year of his rookie contract, but his agent, Joel Segal, said there had been no recent movement in talks about an extension.

In other news, the taterskins agreed to terms with Missouri quarterback Chase Daniel, a former Heisman Trophy finalist who wasn't drafted. Daniel is expected to join the taterskins for minicamp this weekend. He will likely enter training camp in July battling Colt Brennan for the third-string job behind Campbell and backup Todd Collins.

Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2009, 09:15:09 AM
I thought the Eagles were the only team that disrespects players.  Please advise!

QuoteAll it takes is for one team to fall in love with the chosen one. No owner develops crushes like Daniel Snyder, who will take him 10 picks too early.

Quote from: ice grillin you on May 14, 2009, 12:45:59 PM
johnny clayton has the skins as one of his teams that could surprise

Quote from: EagleFeva on May 13, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
(http://www.sportsviews.com/images/blogs/27/blog_8241_1229030403.jpg)

QuoteWashington taterskins tight end Chris Cooley is nothing if not outspoken.

During an interview with SI.com about life on the road in the NFL, Cooley managed to take two jabs at Philly and its fans.

SI: What's your least favorite city to visit?

Chris Cooley: Philly. I really don't like Philly. I got a cheesesteak the first time I went there, but other than that, there's just nothing exciting about Philly.

SI: Which city has the most rabid fans?

Chris Cooley: Philly. We got eggs thrown at our bus when we came into town last season.

QuoteNFL conducts Haynesworth tampering probe
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
May 23, 10:42 am EDT

The NFL has formally opened an investigation into charges by the Tennessee Titans that the Washington taterskins tampered with defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth(notes) before the start of free agency in February, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation.

The NFL has interviewed at least two people associated with the situation after the Titans complained to the league in April that the taterskins contacted Haynesworth and agent Chad Speck before the start of free agency on Feb. 27.

Haynesworth signed a seven-year, $100 million contract with the taterskins which includes $41 million guaranteed.

If it's proved that the taterskins contacted Haynesworth too early, the team could lose a draft pick. In the 2008 draft, San Francisco lost a fifth-round pick after the league found that the 49ers had tampered with Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs(notes) during the 2007 season when San Francisco was pondering a trade for Briggs.

As for Haynesworth, the Titans have claimed that their efforts to negotiate with Haynesworth after the 2008 season were hindered by tampering.

Speck and NFL spokesman Greg Aiello declined to comment on the situation.

Quote from: Rome on May 22, 2009, 06:18:50 PM
Die Hard's crew used to throw eggs from C-6 every time a Cowboys bus rolled by.  They changed the route off Broad Street because of it.

flags.

Quote from: QB Eagles on May 24, 2009, 09:18:54 AM

QuoteNFL conducts Haynesworth tampering probe
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
May 23, 10:42 am EDT

The NFL has formally opened an investigation into charges by the Tennessee Titans that the Washington taterskins tampered with defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth(notes) before the start of free agency in February, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation.

The NFL has interviewed at least two people associated with the situation after the Titans complained to the league in April that the taterskins contacted Haynesworth and agent Chad Speck before the start of free agency on Feb. 27.

Haynesworth signed a seven-year, $100 million contract with the taterskins which includes $41 million guaranteed.

If it's proved that the taterskins contacted Haynesworth too early, the team could lose a draft pick. In the 2008 draft, San Francisco lost a fifth-round pick after the league found that the 49ers had tampered with Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs(notes) during the 2007 season when San Francisco was pondering a trade for Briggs.

As for Haynesworth, the Titans have claimed that their efforts to negotiate with Haynesworth after the 2008 season were hindered by tampering.

Speck and NFL spokesman Greg Aiello declined to comment on the situation.

QuoteMr. Jansen,
I doubt anyone will point this thread out to you but you know you will always be beloved with the taterskin Faithful. I'm sure we'll be seeing more of you and best of luck in the future.

Quote
thanks john, you where the man

Quote"The kid is an articulate kid, has already graduated, is only 21 years old and he made a mistake taking the dietary substance," Cerrato said

QuoteIt's like opening a Christmas present early

QuoteYES!!!!! I cannot wait to see how this roster lines up!!!

QuoteAwesome move by the FO!

QuoteHoping for a fourth as well but man, this could solidify our pass rush for years to come if this works out.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 17, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
I think the big LT with Baltimore, Jared Gaither, was in the supp, no?

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 17, 2009, 11:30:04 AM
they only overvalued him if he doesnt turn out to be a player....no different than the eagles overvaluing 2nd rounders like matt mccoy

QuoteThere were only a handful us in full skins gear until game was over. Then, after the win, probably about 1,000 skins jerseys appeared out of no where.

QuoteI went 3 years ago when we had the playoff run with gibbs. I was way up behind the goal line. I wore all my taterskins gear and got doused with middle fingers and **** yous but noone dared to come in my face! I would have dared them.

Quote from: PPinDC on August 23, 2009, 09:23:17 AM
Jason Campbell last night vs. the Stillers: 1/7 for 10 yards. Their offensive line easily has to be one of the worst in the league, and Devin Thomas looks like a complete bust, and in pretty much every position, they have zero depth. It's going to be a fun year watching the Skins.

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 23, 2009, 11:42:38 AM
you sound really upset about it

Quote
Is anyone interested in a pair of tickets for this Friday's Pre-Season NFL game with New England at Washington?  My sister has a pair that are on the top level, around the 10-yard line, two seats from the aisle (Section 423).  She paid $100 a piece for them, but she now can't go, and is willing to let them go for $100 for the pair.

Quotesee firsthand all the tradition and pageantry of Penn State football while with their families, teammates and friends right in their own backyard is invaluable

QuoteGreg Blache blitzes the media
Posted by Mike Florio on August 29, 2009 7:51 PM ET
Dan Steinberg of D.C. Sports Bog passes along an interesting video from the postgame coverage of Friday night's Patriots-taterskins game.

In it, Trevor Matich of CSN asks taterskins defensive coordinator Greg Blache a seemingly innocuous question about the team's pass rush (which, for the most part during the first half against the Pats, was more like a pass watch).

Blache interpreted the query as an exercise in passive-aggression.  And so Blache responded with a little aggression-aggression.

It's not quite Denny Green stuff, but in a season that has yet to feature many memorable sound bites from coaches, it's the best thing we've seen to date.

QuoteASHBURN, Va. -- Washington taterskins fullback Mike Sellers apologized Saturday for throwing the American flag to the ground during lineup introductions before an exhibition game against the New England Patriots.

"I meant no disrespect," he said.

Sellers said he acted in the "heat of the moment" Friday night.

He said he's aware of proper conduct when it comes to the flag and should have known better, having grown up in an Army family.

The taterskins last year began a routine in which the last person introduced before a game runs out of the tunnel hoisting the American flag.

Sellers carried the flag to midfield, then flung it down near the 50-yard line before joining his teammates in a midfield huddle.

Linebacker Robert Hanson removed the flag from the turf.

"I made a mistake by setting it down the way I did, and I apologize if I offended anybody out there," Sellers said. "I was asked to bring it out, last minute, didn't know who to give it to. I got hyped up and put the flag down. It was in the heat of the moment."

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2009, 10:38:10 PM
the fact that the american flag is treated better and considered more important than actual american people is sickening

Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2009, 11:20:32 PM
dispose of the old one properly.  if you don't know how to, call a local boy scout troop, vfw, american legion, marine corps league or any other veterans group. 

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2009, 10:58:03 AM
Riggo Discusses Twitter and the Skins

Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2009, 11:20:32 PMthere really isn't much to flag etiquette.  don't let it touch the ground.  fold it properly when not in use.  when it frays or shows signs of wear, get a new one.  dispose of the old one properly.  if you don't know how to, call a local boy scout troop, vfw, american legion, marine corps league or any other veterans group. 

QuoteIn 2006, Jorge R. Vasquez Sr., 47, was in jail for embezzlement and wrote to both the Washington Nationals and the taterskins to say he could no longer keep his tickets. He had three loge seats at FedEx and a six-year contract that began in 2003.

The baseball team wrote back to offer him free tickets, according to a letter he sent to the court. The taterskins sued him $12,914.

Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2009, 11:20:32 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2009, 10:38:10 PM
the fact that the american flag is treated better and considered more important than actual american people is sickening

when the flag starts popping out a bunch of kids and becoming a drain on society then i'll start bitching about how it's treated.  not to mention that people generally treat each other like ass.  so if you have a problem with how people are treated, take it up with those around you. 

there really isn't much to flag etiquette.  don't let it touch the ground.  fold it properly when not in use.  when it frays or shows signs of wear, get a new one.  dispose of the old one properly.  if you don't know how to, call a local boy scout troop, vfw, american legion, marine corps league or any other veterans group. 

Quote from: Munson on September 03, 2009, 05:05:21 PM
B+. Lost points for lack of mentioning the words Zorny, I cried too, and Sean Taylor.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 03, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
munsons was painfully obvious and not the least bit funny and the lil guys was copied and pasted off ES

in other words no and no

QuoteThis lady just seems a little sketchy to me.

QuoteWasn't making any judgment on what the team did

Quotebut how much of it is due to the Skins' actions and how much is due to this woman's INaction is not clear.

QuoteI'm sure this lady didn't do her due diligence and respond to the many letters that must have been sent to her.

QuoteAnd why shouldn't the taterskins be able to sue fans?...That would be just as ludicrious as saying "real" fans shouldn't sue the taterskins lol.

QuoteOh my gosh. Cry me a ****ing river Boswell. That was the biggest load of **** I have ever read in my life.

QuoteIn business or in sports, dysfunction takes a thousand forms. But it usually starts at the top then leaches down, corrosively into the core product.

QuoteThis is the kind of unconscious affection that bad owners prey upon. To them, we're better than mere customers. We're their marks, their suckers, branded from childhood with the team logo. And the worst of them exploit it shamelessly, though they had nothing to do with the creation of that loyalty.

Quote from: Rome on September 05, 2009, 04:33:50 PM
I laughed heartily at Boswell's column until I came across this passage...

QuoteThis is the kind of unconscious affection that bad owners prey upon. To them, we're better than mere customers. We're their marks, their suckers, branded from childhood with the team logo. And the worst of them exploit it shamelessly, though they had nothing to do with the creation of that loyalty.

... and then the laughing stopped.


He could have just as easily been talking about Lurie there.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 10, 2009, 04:50:13 PM
florio has the skins in the big game

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/10/titans-steelers-tonight-taterskins-steelers-in-february/

QuoteNow that we're part of the semi-legitimate media, we need to behave like the semi-legitimate media and pretend that we know what we're talking about when it comes to predicting the teams that will make it to the postseason.

QuoteCranbo says:
September 10, 2009 4:48 PM
Hail to the taterskins!

Washington's a lot better than people are giving them credit for.

They'll outdo the Giants this weekend, even though the G-Men are tough they're about to find out what happens when you don't have a receiver that dictates coverage physically combined with an erratic quarterback.

Florio, you're back on the Christmas Card list.

Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2009, 01:39:09 AM
no im not....but hes a huge upgrade over what they had last year...and if he isnt a douchebag hes an all pro corner

QuotePlease help: Sean taylor's mother is in risk of being put out of her home!

QuoteThe taterskins are, simply, better than the Giants and better than most teams.

The taterskins with Jason Campbell, the worst QB in the division, are a 7-9 to 9-7 team, barring injury. We know this. We've seen it. Just happened.

The taterskins with Jason Campbell, the best QB in the division, are a 12-4 team, give or take one.

Sure, it helps that after 18 or so months our man Jimmy Z. apparently looked up when Jason Campbell threw a long pass and said, "Gosh, that guy has a big arm, I should put in more plays that do that." It doesn't matter that Campbell's deep ball is often thrown as deftly as Stevie Wonder stepping over a puddle.

QuoteRanked 21st offense and defense, Hmmmm 21

Can 21 be our Lucky Number, remember who wore number 21! Can we all just pull together and lets feed off the positive and lets understand that we can make a difference from the support and praise of your team.. Yes we can be arm chair quarterbacks and yes we should point out inconsistencies but do it in a manner to say Hey! We Love our Team, We love our Players and we support you! You are the Washington taterskins and we are your 12th Man. I did not see the lack of effort! You have to praise someone like Hall that called himself out! Give the Leaders on this team a chance to rally around. They fought hard and still had a chance to win......

Remember #21. Now lets go kick some butts this weekend. Lets shut them down to below 200 yards of Offense for Shawn Taylor #21 and let our Offense score 30 or More!!

Go Skins! We Believe!

QuoteIf The taterskins give up on JC, Donovan McNabb will be our next QB
I believe Jason Campbell is the answer and he will get an extension midway through the season. BUT, if I'm wrong and JC is not here next year, I believe Donovan McNabb will be our starting QB in 2010.

Obviously if Campbell is not resigned, we will be drafting a QB of the future in next years draft. The Eagles just signed Jeff Garcia due to the Broken Rib of McNabb. I don't see McNabb coming back from that injury and playing the QB position at a high level.

More than likely Kolb will start this week (to give Garcia a couple weeks to prepare) and Garcia will be the starter in either week 3 or maybe week 5 after their bye week.

Garcia did a great job in the Eagle's system a couple years ago, and has many years under his belt in the west coast offense. It is also well documented that Philly has been highly critical of McNabb in the past and didn't give him the contract extension he wanted.

Michael Vick was given a contract worth 1.5 million the first year and 5 or 6 million the second year. This tells me he is a two year project and will either be cut after the first year, or be the Eagle's starting QB the second year (you don't pay a back up QB 6 million dollars for one year)

Either way, I see either Garcia or Vick being the Eagle's starter next year. There will be no room for McNabb and the Eagles will either cut or trade him (he only will have 1 year left on his contract)

The taterskins, with their new rookie QB will look to add a solid vet. for a year or two while their rookie QB matures and learns the offense. Danny wont be able to resist the urge to go out and get high profile QB Donovan McNabb, who has spent his whole NFL career in the west coast offense.

QuoteI don't know, something tells me this won't happen. I think McNabb is done with football, period. You just don't break your ribs twice and continue to be a QB in this league at his age. Any age for that matter. I would be very surprised if McNabb didn't fully retire at the end of this season.

QuoteWon't happen. McNabb would want too much money for a guy his age that has been physically and psychologically beaten the way he has in his career. The taterskins have proved that they've at least learned one thing and that is to stay away from pricey aged vets

Quoteon't happen. McNabb would want too much money for a guy his age that has been physically and psychologically beaten the way he has in his career. The taterskins have proved that they've at least learned one thing and that is to stay away from pricey aged vets

Quote from: Munson on September 16, 2009, 05:24:36 PM
Please tell me Sassy or hahafunnyhaha posted that

QuoteI just started reading the follow up to The Da Vinci Code. It takes place in Washington during January. The best part is that the taterskins and in the playoffs. It's great because it really captures the excitement of the whole town come taterskins playoff football.

Sadly I need a work of fiction to remind me of how that feels.

Quotedon't know, something tells me this won't happen. I think McNabb is done with football, period. You just don't break your ribs twice and continue to be a QB in this league at his age. Any age for that matter. I would be very surprised if McNabb didn't fully retire at the end of this season.

QuoteSo while I'd probably wait until the team had actually lost before unleashing the most powerful weapon in the fan's arsenal (possibly besides a beer bong), I can go either way on the halftime booing. But booing the team after they actually won the game, as taterskins fans did on Sunday? Even as the team was in victory formation on the field, loudly expressing your guttural unhappiness. That I just don't get.

"I thought it was a shame, to be honest with you," said Chris Cooley, arguably the team's most popular player. "You take a win when you can get it. And there's a lot of good players, and there's a lot of good teams in this league. I think Washington prides themselves on being the best fans, and I think that they should try to be the best fans. We won. I understand they wanted us to beat the Rams by 40, but we still won, and we if we continue to win games, that's great. Booing's unnecessary."

QuotePerhaps the most animated player was backup linebacker Robert Henson, who took to Twitter to repeatedly criticize the home crowd, saying he had never been booed at home like that before, and that his friends on the Rams were also surprised.

"All you fake half hearted Skins fan can .. I won't go there but I dislike you very strongly, don't come to Fed Ex to boo dim wits!!" he wrote, among many other jabs. "The question is who are you to say you know what's best for the team and you work 9 to 5 at Mcdonalds," he wrote later.

Quote
Expect the Expected
By Thomas Boswell
Monday, September 21, 2009

Wise farmers know that only a fool gets mad at a mule. A donkey is just a donkey. You can't expect it to be a thoroughbred. If you're dumb enough to scream at an ass, then it will be smart enough to sit down in the field and quit working entirely.

You can tell what a football coach thinks about his team by the way he treats it when it frustrates him the way a stubborn mule drives a farmer to the brink of sanity. If he thinks he's got a thoroughbred team, he makes demands and raises his voice. You can hold a thoroughbred to a high standard. If he thinks he's got mules, then you can tell that, too.

Jim Zorn thinks he's got mules, same as last year. Get your patience ready. Nothing in the taterskins' first two games gives any reasonable hopes, as yet, for much change. Prepare for close games, even against the very worst of opponents, as well as a stellar defense that makes any game winnable and an infuriating offense that would make even the most stoic farmer cry.

On Sunday at FedEx Field, as his taterskins barely escaped from the unutterably bad St. Louis Rams (5-29 since '06) by a homely 9-7 margin, Zorn got so frustrated that he ran 50 yards down the sideline, all the way to the goal line, to yell "timeout" at an official.

Yet after the game, after he'd calmed down, after his team had survived its terrible offensive play in the red zone as well as his own rip-up-the-book coaching, Zorn showed his true feelings about his team. And generous emotions they were. Zorn probably has it right. Don't beat this team with a stick. Coax it. Encourage it. Live with its limitations. But that is hardly what the taterskins' ardent fans, or the team's impatient owner, may want from him.

Silence, full of the unspoken anxiety of his players, greeted Zorn as he walked into the locker room after his gamble on fourth and one at the Rams 2-yard line with two minutes to play had failed, but his defense had bailed him out on his failed gamble.

How would he react? That is the question the taterskins always face. How will the fans, the media or the owner react? Will they rant and demand heads? And what will the coach think, because their efforts so often fall short of the demands?

"I feel really good about the win," said Zorn. "When we walked into the locker room, it was quiet. We knew that we under-performed in areas. But we were really good in a lot. We're going to celebrate the victory. We will celebrate what we did well and then we will get back to work. We will get better again next week."

Get better again?

Actually, the taterskins -- especially Zorn's offense -- haven't improved at all, instead falling backwards since midseason last year. Once again, just as in '08, Zorn's biggest problem is the inability of his offensive coordinator to design plays, then call them appropriately, to score inside the 20-yard line. But Zorn is essentially his own final word on all offensive matters. So why yell at his team until he finishes berating himself?

In the most vivid symbol of his frustration, Zorn made as dubious a decision as you'll see, going for it on fourth and one at the Rams 2 with two minutes remaining. The conventional -- some would say "sane" -- reasoning is that you take the easy field goal for a five-point lead and force your foe to go all the way for a touchdown to win. Why get stopped, surrender the ball and risk losing the game on a long field goal -- which statistically is far easier to get than a touchdown in a short amount of time.

The fourth-down gamble failed, but the defense held. So, smile. In the world of hard-fought .500 football, that's not a reprieve, it's a cause, as Zorn said, "to celebrate."

After that celebrating, however, there will be furrowed brows. "I have got to look at this thing very hard because it is my responsibility," he said after 362 yards of offense, and a decent statistical day by Jason Campbell (23 for 35, 242 yards, no turnovers) resulted in only three field goals. "I can wave all kind of magic wands, but I've got to come up the right play and put our guys in the right position."

You almost pity the taterskins' offensive players, so many of whom have been together since well back in the Joe Gibbs II period and are painfully aware of their limits, especially close to the opponent's goal line. When was this team last efficient in the red zone, I asked Antwaan Randle El. Late in '06, maybe?

"I can't even remember when," he said, after trying to think of various games in different years. "Not this year, for sure."

The player at the heart of the problem is Campbell. He can march a team up and down the field reasonably well, as attested by his 84.2 career passer rating. And he is actually the second-best quarterback in NFL history at avoiding interceptions -- just 2.1 percent of his throws get picked off.

But through all 38 of his starts, the same ugly thread has run. He can't get his team across the goal line. Only six times in those 38 games has his offense scored even three touchdowns. And in his starts, the taterskins have averaged 1.72 touchdowns per game with their offense on the field. They lack a tall, talented wide receiver to catch ally-oop passes. Clinton Portis is their only dangerous back, so their goal-line attack lacks variety. Tiny wide receivers Santana Moss and Randle El get erased in heavy traffic. Foes focus on shutting down big tight end Chris Cooley.

All of this, combined with Campbell's bullet passes, which sometimes overpower receivers at close quarters, and his fear of red-zone turnovers -- drilled into him by every offensive coordinator -- has culminated in one stunning statistic.

One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-taterskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent.

Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower. Is the flaw in Campbell? Or, as on Sunday, when both Devin Thomas and Mike Sellers missed possible touchdown catches from Campbell, is his paucity of scoring passes merely a reflection of an ill-built red-zone offense?

Give Campbell credit. He soldiers on, year after year explaining why so many drives, so many scoring chances, result in so few points. But it can't be lost on him that even Zorn seems have lost some confidence. In this game, on third and goal from the Rams 5-yard line, Zorn called for a pass -- but not from Campbell. Instead, he had Portis, whose passes are more like shot-puts, make the attempt -- which failed.

"We'll get killed again tomorrow," said Campbell, meaning the inevitable Monday-morning quarterbacking (like this) that is a precious part of Washington life. "Take it for what it's worth.

"Would you rather be on the other side [of 9-7]? Oh, everyone expects a lot [before the game]. But this is the Rams team that broke our season last year [with a 19-17 victory in FedEx]. We'll take the win."

Perhaps all those who hope the taterskins do well should feel that way. It's easy to wish that the taterskins were a better team. But, year after year, they aren't. The same problems and limits define them season after season. Now, if anything, the situation is even more dire with veteran right guard Randy Thomas likely out for the season. The last thing the taterskins needed was a depleted line. "That hurts a lot," Campbell murmured.

For the taterskins and their fans, this is a difficult line to walk. Too much realism seldom helps a football team. How do you convince yourself to take so much physical risk, week after week, simply to be pretty good? The hope of becoming exceptional is the ultimate carrot, even for mules.

"I am very pleased with how much we are progressing," Zorn said.

He said it with a straight face. He's a farmer without a choice.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2009, 10:58:50 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/so_is_it_really_time_to_boo_th_1.html

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=300067

QuoteSo while I'd probably wait until the team had actually lost before unleashing the most powerful weapon in the fan's arsenal (possibly besides a beer bong), I can go either way on the halftime booing. But booing the team after they actually won the game, as taterskins fans did on Sunday? Even as the team was in victory formation on the field, loudly expressing your guttural unhappiness. That I just don't get.

"I thought it was a shame, to be honest with you," said Chris Cooley, arguably the team's most popular player. "You take a win when you can get it. And there's a lot of good players, and there's a lot of good teams in this league. I think Washington prides themselves on being the best fans, and I think that they should try to be the best fans. We won. I understand they wanted us to beat the Rams by 40, but we still won, and we if we continue to win games, that's great. Booing's unnecessary."

QuotePerhaps the most animated player was backup linebacker Robert Henson, who took to Twitter to repeatedly criticize the home crowd, saying he had never been booed at home like that before, and that his friends on the Rams were also surprised.

"All you fake half hearted Skins fan can .. I won't go there but I dislike you very strongly, don't come to Fed Ex to boo dim wits!!" he wrote, among many other jabs. "The question is who are you to say you know what's best for the team and you work 9 to 5 at Mcdonalds," he wrote later.

lolololol

QuoteJust stop it

362 yards, 21 first downs, 35 minutes TOP = Offense

no one is more upset about the lack of points in the red zone, from 2 dropped TD passes, and a fumble, to the horrible predictable play calling inside the ten

but to say there was no offense is utter nonsense

Quote from: ATV on September 21, 2009, 03:56:56 PM
If someone is working 9 to 5 at McDonalds and has taterskin season tickets then that's like their whole salary going to those players. Or a very large proportion.

Quote from: EagleFeva on September 27, 2009, 02:07:06 PM
Lions up 10-0!  :-D

Quote from: ATV on September 27, 2009, 05:10:36 PM
The coach isn't their problem and the only way to fire an owner is by not going to the games. Unfortunately they're probably at least a few years away from this, as there are still many loyal morons.

QuoteGay song -- Detroit has the gayest song ever. Even gayer than the Eagles and fly Eagles fly. I was so stunned I can't even really repeat. With hope they don't score again so I never see it again. I'll let you know.

Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on September 28, 2009, 01:02:12 PM
Oh god.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5mxw-sYc_F0/SUoDu45FfHI/AAAAAAAAasQ/imgQ6YSL3u4/s400/braces.jpg)

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2009, 02:51:44 PM
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=301604

The missing ingredient is Sean Taylor!

QuoteCampbell Week 3: 27-41, 65.8%, 340 Yards, 2 TD, 1 Int, 21 Rush Yards, 0 Fumble Lost

Campbell 2009 Season (To Date) 69-102, 67.6%, 793 Yards, 3 TD, 2 Int, 65 Rush Yards, 1 Fumble Lost
*****
Campbell 2008 Season: 315-506, 62.3%, 3245 Yards, 13 TD's, 6 Int's, 258 Yards Rushing, 1 Fumble Lost

Campbell 2009 Season (Projected) 368-544, 67.6%, 4,229 Yards, 16 TD's, 11 Int's, 347 Yards Rushing, 5 Fumbles Lost

Verdict (Ongoing) Campbell is Improving

QuoteHolmgren eyeballing D.C.?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 29, 2009 8:36 PM ET
Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren has been making no bones about his desire to return to the NFL in 2010.

And we've been hearing for months rumors that Holmgren would be very interested in becoming the next coach of the Washington taterskins.

Earlier today, Peter King of SI.com provided some meat for that bone, in an appearance with Chris Russo of Mag Dog Unleashed on Sirius XM Radio.

"I've heard a lot of people say in the last few days, 'Oh, Holmgren wouldn't want to go to Washington,'" King said.  "Keep one thing in mind in December when all this stuff starts to go down.  Remember where you heard this.  Mike Holmgren last year, Thanksgiving weekend, I'm sitting in his office in Seattle and he says, 'You know, I'm going to take this next year off but after that I'll give you a cool little theory for what I might do.'  I said, 'What?'  And he says, 'I've coached in the Midwest with Green Bay and I grew up playing and coaching out west -- Brigham Young, the 49ers, Seattle.'  And he said, 'I'd really love to try the East Coast.  That brand of football where you wake up on Sunday morning and it's the most important thing. There aren't 800 things to do.  Where you're in East Rutherford or Philly or Washington and it's so important.'

"He said, 'I'd really love to try football on the East Coast.'  So do not eliminate Mike Holmgren when you start talking about coaching candidates for [taterskins owner] Dan Snyder."

So we think it'll be Holmgren and Shanahan jockeying for position in D.C., and the taterskins and Cowboys in a possible tug of war to get their preferred candidate.

That's why we don't rule out the 'Skins launching the process before the end of the season, in order to get a crack at Holmgren or Shanahan, before Jerry Jones does

Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 29, 2009, 11:34:55 PM
smoking hot latina women who will do anything for a green card. 

QuoteWhy is there so much angst among Skins fans?

September 30, 2009 1:00 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

Let's face it: The taterskins have one of the most frustrated fan bases in the league right now, and a lot of that has to do with their past success.

Longtime Beast and Hashmarks enthusiast Dan Steinberg of the D.C. Sports Bog looked at some numbers this morning that illustrate just how agonizing things have been over the past decade or so.

    * Here's what other teams in the division have done since the taterskins last won an NFC East title. Eagles: five division titles, two wild cards, 10-7 in the playoffs, one NFC title. Giants: Three NFC East titles, three wild cards, 6-5 playoff record, two NFC titles, one Super Bowl title. Cowboys: One NFC title, two wild cards, 0-3 in the playoffs. taterskins: Two wild cards, 1-2 in the playoffs.
    * It's been nine years since the taterskins hosted a playoff game, which is the fourth-longest drought in the league. The taterskins have also gone 18 years since winning a Super Bowl, which is the seventh-longest gap for a team owning a world title.
    * I think there would be even more angst had the Cowboys won a playoff game in the past 13 years. taterskins fans dislike/hate the Cowboys more than any team in the division. I think fans have taken some solace in the fact that the Cowboys have gone through a similar drought. But it still feels like the taterskins are the most dysfunctional team in the division. Is that fair to say?

QuoteHaynesworth: Tampa was too tempting

September 30, 2009 12:30 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas
Haynesworth

TAMPA, Fla. -- Albert Haynesworth just finished a very interesting conference call with the Tampa Bay media. It's been well documented that the Bucs were a player for Haynewsorth in free agency.

The taterskins got him and Haynesworth said part of his choice came down to the fact he thought Tampa was too nice. Seriously.

"Tampa was probably my first choice," Haynesworth said. "It was kind of a repeat of when I was coming out of college where (Georgia) was my first choice and I went to Tennessee. I like water, I like boats and I like sun. Coming to Tampa, there was a whole lot there. I have a whole offseason. If I went to Tampa, it would have been too much of a mix."

Haynesworth also admitted the Bucs offered more money than the taterskins.

"They really came after me hard in the few hours they had," Haynesworth said. "After I told the taterskins that I was going to come to the taterskins, (the Bucs) made their strongest stand. They offered more than taterskins. But I said I was here."

The logic continued to be a little offbeat throughout the conference call. Haynesworth apparently didn't think a lot about the fact Florida has no state income tax before signing with the taterskins.

"I made more money last year with Tennessee," Haynesworth said.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2009, 01:19:14 PM

QuoteWhy is there so much angst among Skins fans?

September 30, 2009 1:00 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

Let's face it: The taterskins have one of the most frustrated fan bases in the league right now, and a lot of that has to do with their past success.

Longtime Beast and Hashmarks enthusiast Dan Steinberg of the D.C. Sports Bog looked at some numbers this morning that illustrate just how agonizing things have been over the past decade or so.

    * Here's what other teams in the division have done since the taterskins last won an NFC East title. Eagles: five division titles, two wild cards, 10-7 in the playoffs, one NFC title. Giants: Three NFC East titles, three wild cards, 6-5 playoff record, two NFC titles, one Super Bowl title. Cowboys: One NFC title, two wild cards, 0-3 in the playoffs. taterskins: Two wild cards, 1-2 in the playoffs.
    * It's been nine years since the taterskins hosted a playoff game, which is the fourth-longest drought in the league. The taterskins have also gone 18 years since winning a Super Bowl, which is the seventh-longest gap for a team owning a world title.
    * I think there would be even more angst had the Cowboys won a playoff game in the past 13 years. taterskins fans dislike/hate the Cowboys more than any team in the division. I think fans have taken some solace in the fact that the Cowboys have gone through a similar drought. But it still feels like the taterskins are the most dysfunctional team in the division. Is that fair to say?

QuoteWhile watching Californication on my laptop I saw the taterskins come up on my muted TV on Fox 5 news and a random thought came over me. Could this loss have really been a blessing in disguise?

Quoteme and my girlfriend were talking about this today. i showed her what Fletcher tweeted and she was like, "could you imagine if this was a wake-up call and the skins went on a crazy super bowl run. it would be amazing"

all this stuff in the media HAS to light a fire under your butt. no one that has made it to the NFL is fine with being labeled a "loser"

QuoteThis is called a good-bad lose. The ego's will have to be left at the door and the individuals will learn there is no "I" in the word "TEAM". The leaders on the team will step up and hold each other accountable. We will be 4-2 and turn this around.

QuotePart of me was hoping for the Lions to win so that this may happen

QuoteMike Florio ( I HATE HIM)
Still thinks the skins will make a run and this is the spark they needed, and he is usually right on stuff like this.

QuoteI just received a few more texts and calls from league sources about the Mike Sellers-Clinton Portis incident, and this is not good for the taterskins.

Some people in the locker room wouldn't have been too upset if Sellers had landed a couple of blows (no punches were thrown), because Portis's act has worn real thin with some of his teammates, according to the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity. His teammates long ago accepted that Portis holds himself to a different standard and often has simply chosen not to practice, and that Portis's chummy relationship, at least in prior seasons, with owner Daniel Snyder is what it is.

Through a team spokesman, Portis and Sellers declined comment.

But for Portis to actually go to coaches to request/demand that a teammate be removed from a game? As word emerged about Portis's effort to essentially have Sellers demoted during Sunday's16-13 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, many players were upset that Portis even felt emboldened enough to attempt to make such a play.

But, really, why should they have been surprised? In an excellent piece on Portis written by my guy, Barry Svrluga, back in August Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, said former coach Joe Gibbs referred to Portis as an assistant general manager. On Wednesday, Potis jokingly said he got "fired. They released me from that duty. Right now, I'm just a part-time running back."

Asked about the incident after practice, Zorn played down the argument.

"These guys love each other. They absolutely love each other," Zorn said. "This is just how a team goes. I thought it was great. There's no fisticuffs. There's no shoving and pushing. These guys just, you know, ah, 'You didn't say hi to me.' 'No, you didn't say hi to me.' You know? I don't know really what the discussion was.

"In reality it's just a lot of nudging and posturing. It's just something that goes on. These guys are like brothers. And they care about each other. Seriously, it's not an issue."

Zorn was asked whether the events of the week at taterskins Park -- which in addition to the Sellers-Portis incident also included the hiring of a consultant, Sherman Lewis, to help Zorn on offense and the decision of defensive coordinator Greg Blache to reduce his involvement wit the media -- have created a perception that things aren't going so well.

"Only if you [reporters] create that perception," Zorn said. "There's nothing in our locker room that would cite that:"

QuoteImportant Message From the Hogettes- Imposter Hogette
The Hogettes asked me to post this for them. The imposter is from NY and you need to be wary of him if you see him at the stadium etc. He claims to be NY's only Hogette.

"It has come to our attention that an individual is representing himself to be a Hogette. Please be aware that 'HOGETTES' is a Registered Trademark and the Hogette likeness is COPYWRITED. He is currently in violation of both federal and state statutes. We have requested that he immediately remove any likeness of himself as a 'Hogette' from any public or private forum. Likewise, we have requested that he remove any reference to himself as a 'Hogette', representing himself as a 'Hogette' or in any manner alluding to himself as a 'Hogette' or representing the 'Hogettes'.

We have a very stringent set of rules and guidelines on who can become a Hogette and we monitor all of our members to insure that inappropriate action does not occur. We are very disturbed that someone would portray us in a negative manner and try to insure that this does not happen. However, from time to time we find it necessary to protect our Trademark and Copyright.

If you feel that you have been approached by an impostor or become aware of a potential impostor, please contact us immediately at:

hogettes.org or hogettes.net

Thanks you

Hail to the taterskins

The HOGETTES"

Quote from: BigEd76 on October 11, 2009, 07:25:19 PM
Florio says Snyder is livid about today's loss and Zorn could be replaced by Sherman Lewis

QuoteCleveland 6, Buffalo 3
One of the ugliest games of 2009 -- and the taterskins weren't even involved.

Quote from: General_Failure on October 12, 2009, 01:15:52 PM
That's so sexist to judge him on his looks. Shame on you.

QuoteCarlos Rogers says taterskins blame "starts with the ownership"
Posted by Mike Florio on October 12, 2009 8:31 PM ET
For much of the decade during which Daniel Snyder has owned the taterskins, many fans and members of the media have blamed Snyder for the team's struggles.

Rarely, if ever, do any of the employees of the organization point a finger at Snyder.

Cornerback Carlos Rogers has done it.

His broader point?  Everyone is to blame.  The message?  The first one to blame is the guy who has the keys.

"It not only starts with the players, coaches," Rogers said, per the Associated Press.  "It starts with the ownership."

Wow.

In unrelated news, the taterskins are now accepting trade offers for Rogers.

Quote
I am new to this board and already fed up with so much negativity, although I have to admit the Skins have made several bad teams look good. There were coaching decisions that ended up causing players to fail and thus, the players end up getting blamed and lumped in with the coaching mess. I am just as unhappy over the results as you are.

Nevertheless, "we are what we are", but the question remains WHAT ARE WE? Since there are already 30 threads started to discuss how the taterskins fail, WHY the Skins are bad, WHEN the coach will be fired, WHEN a new quarterback will be drafted, etc, etc. I thought that instead of adding to the mess, I would list a couple of things that will prevent you from slitting your wrists. Here's what's GOOD!

Number ONE: The taterskins have won 2 games thus far, and nearly won a 3rd game last week against a team that finished 12-4 last season. Except for a fluke fumble play, the taterskins would be 3-2. AND In just a little over a week, after the MNF game against the Eagles, the taterskins still have an opportunity to be 4-3 with 2 weeks to rest and heal.

Number TWO: For all the abuse that Jim Zorn has weathered lately, despite the image of being a loser and totally incompetent, dead coach walking, and a man who will be FIRED shortly, despite all that, in just a little over a week, Jim Zorn's may have a winning record as the taterskins head coach. Amazing, but true!

Number THREE: The Skins defense is very, very close to becoming a shutdown defense. In fact only a play or two away each game. If you take away all the points the offense keeps giving up, the SKINS defense is actually giving up only 11 points per game. Orakpo now has 2.5 sacks and is only 1 sack behind Justin Tuck. Orakpo is a force and if the Skins use him as a rush end and blitzing LB even more, then this defense could excel. Also, Doughty is a force. He stops the run, and that is going to help us in the next couple of weeks. The Defense appears to be COMING TOGETHER.

Number FOUR: Well, the offensive line has been terrible, sure. But, the good news is that we now have that youth movement on the offensive line that so many of you called for. Thomas, Samuels, and Jansen are gone. So here come the young bucks, maybe the wholesale change will do everybody some good. Also, Heyer is at his natural position. He disliked right tackle as much as Orakpo dislikes linebacker so perhaps the Skins are learning finally to play people in their NATURAL positions. Before you laugh out loud, let's give this group a chance at success this week.

Number 5: Despite all the receiver mistakes, coaching blunders, QB mistakes, special teams errors, the Skins still are undefeated at home, they are in the playoff hunt, and have 2 consecutive home games coming up. As long as they can win at home, they only need to steal 2 road games to make the playoffs. The taterskins are on a pace to accomplish this.

Number SIX: There comes a moment in every life that can be called aturning point. Sometimes that moment is painful and seems to be a horrible sign that everything is wrong. And sometimes it is. On the other hand, that punt return fumble and the resulting TD which defeated the Skins in Carolina, may have been a stroke of luck in disguise. Perhaps Randall El will now be benched as the punt returner. If that occurs, then this team has improved instantly.

Number SEVEN: It's about time for some GOOD LUCK! As you know, you have good days and bad days. Sometimes nuthin' goes right. Other times, you can do no wrong. Well, it's the same in football. I can't say what it is that changes everything but sometimes its one guy, or one play, or one anything. With so many darn bad breaks so far, there's a high percentage that the Skins are about to get some breaks. Good calls, or lucky throws and lucky bounces, or just an opposing player slipping on some wet grass. It's just time for things to balance out. It WILL happen. Maybe this week.

Number EIGHT: With mistakes, comes experience. Just like an infant, the taterskins offense has tried to walk, and has fallen. Several times I might add. However, with falling comes the ability to figure out how to walk better without falling down. For all the critical remarks, this coaching staff and this receiving staff is still like a newborn. They could take a leap and begin to walk this week, and once they begin to walk, its only a short leap away from running. The Skins offense may begin walking THIS week!

Quote from: BigEd76 on October 18, 2009, 09:10:33 PM
Zorn stripped of his playcalling duties (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4575422)

Quote from: BigEd76 on October 18, 2009, 08:51:55 PM
The Eagles open as 6.5-pt favorites next week

Quote from: rjs246 on October 19, 2009, 05:17:34 PM
Luckily they're playing at FedEx.

Quote from: rjs246 on October 19, 2009, 05:17:34 PM
Luckily they're playing at FedEx.

QuoteChris Samuels could retire due to neck injury
Posted by Mike Florio on October 21, 2009 3:29 PM ET
taterskins left tackle Chris Samuels, a fixture on the offensive line since arriving as a rookie in 2000, possibly has played his last down in D.C.

Per Adam Schefter of ESPN, Samuels will visit a specialist in Los Angeles regarding whether Samuels will be able to continue his career.

Samuels is not expected to play again this year, and Schefter says that some within the organization think that Samuels will never play again.

One source told Schefter that Samuels is privately saying that he plans to retire.

Quote from: Eagaholic on October 21, 2009, 06:45:18 PM

QuoteChris Samuels could retire due to neck injury
Posted by Mike Florio on October 21, 2009 3:29 PM ET
taterskins left tackle Chris Samuels, a fixture on the offensive line since arriving as a rookie in 2000, possibly has played his last down in D.C.

Per Adam Schefter of ESPN, Samuels will visit a specialist in Los Angeles regarding whether Samuels will be able to continue his career.

Samuels is not expected to play again this year, and Schefter says that some within the organization think that Samuels will never play again.

One source told Schefter that Samuels is privately saying that he plans to retire.

I openly wept for Chris. Then wacked off.

QuoteAfter letting anxiety build for several days following Sunday's loss to Kansas City, Cerrato opened his ESPN980 radio show by saying, "Jim Zorn is the head coach of the Washington taterskins and will be for the rest of this season, and hopefully into the future."

QuoteAs taterskins fumble, some fans are saying, 'See ya'
Team official disputes decline in loyalty, citing economy, lack of 'compelling' matchups
By Steve Hendrix
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 26, 2009

Dave Hoskins did something a week ago he had never done in eight years of going to taterskins games: He didn't go to the taterskins game.

A self-proclaimed team "addict" for 30 years and part of a season-ticket group since 2001, the Bethesda contractor woke up Sunday, looked at the likely poor weather and the likely worse game and just bagged it.

"Last weekend was the first weekend I decided to do something else," he said. "I watched most of it on TV, but I wasn't going to sit through that misery."

In most cities, a few thousand fans skipping NFL games during a bad season wouldn't be remarkable. But in Washington, the empty seats reported recently at FedEx Field have raised a question long unthinkable in taterskins Nation: Are significant cracks appearing in one of professional football's most rock-solid fan bases?

Officially, attendance at home games had fallen from 87,780 at the home opener to 79,572 at last week's loss to Kansas City. Unofficially, many fans have reported a no-show rate that would suggest the falloff has been even greater.

There are other signs that as some Washingtonians stand by their floundering team, which is 2-4 in regular-season play, others are standing a little farther downwind. Nielsen ratings show that the average TV viewership of game broadcasts for the first six weeks of this season has dropped by about 120,000 households from the same period last year.

And the national market for burgundy and gold jerseys, banners and hats has plummeted, down 47 percent in the past month compared with the same period last year, according to sales data.

"This is something new," said Matt Powell, chief retail analyst for SportsOne Source, an industry research firm. At least as judged by the merchandise sales index, he said, "nationally, the fan base is clearly abandoning this team."

David Donovan, the taterskins' chief operating officer, disputed Powell's analysis, saying that team records show a 12 percent dip in merchandise sales, which he said was understandable in a down economy.

Donovan also said that the team hasn't detected a significant decline in fan loyalty and that the team's attendance figures are accurately gathered by bar-code scanners at the turnstiles.

"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference." (SHF comment: Are you effing kidding me Donovan? Really, are you out of your mind? Do you not hear/see how upset the fan base is?)

Game attendance is still far surpassing that at any other stadium in the league, (SHF comment: No duh, look how big the damn stadium is) he said, and he attributed the lower TV ratings largely to the unglamorous opponents the taterskins have faced in the first part of the season.

"Last year, we had the Giants, the Cowboys and the Eagles in the first five, and they were all away games," he said. "This year, you had the Giants but then five other teams that were not that compelling."

Quote from: ATV on October 26, 2009, 04:20:32 PM
So that would be pretty embarrassing if the Eagles lost tonight. Even though I hardly care I'd have to seriously consider doing some pointing and laughing.

QuoteDave Hoskins did something a week ago he had never done in eight years of going to taterskins games: He didn't go to the taterskins game.

Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
easy this aint the time or place

not like anything goin on at the novacare is brag worthy

big up the phils son

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:53:26 PM

Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
easy this aint the time or place

not like anything goin on at the novacare is brag worthy

big up the phils son

Wrong, Todd.

Its always time to point and laugh at the taterskins and their fans suffering.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:53:26 PM

Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
easy this aint the time or place

not like anything goin on at the novacare is brag worthy

big up the phils son

Wrong, Todd.

Its always time to point and laugh at the taterskins and their fans suffering.

Quote from: MDS on October 27, 2009, 12:00:38 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:53:26 PM

Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
easy this aint the time or place

not like anything goin on at the novacare is brag worthy

big up the phils son

Wrong, Todd.

Its always time to point and laugh at the taterskins and their fans suffering.

jayman

when the eagles are as bad as they are, you dont really got much ground to stand on. what is there to brag about? we both blow but you guys blow more? sign me up for that.

Quote from: MDS on October 27, 2009, 12:00:38 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:53:26 PM

Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
easy this aint the time or place

not like anything goin on at the novacare is brag worthy

big up the phils son

Wrong, Todd.

Its always time to point and laugh at the taterskins and their fans suffering.

jayman

when the eagles are as bad as they are, you dont really got much ground to stand on. what is there to brag about? we both blow but you guys blow more? sign me up for that.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 10:21:18 PM
Rumor on ES that Cooley has a broken foot.

Dye your hair to look like that, break your foot

Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 27, 2009, 10:26:02 AM
i love seeing bad things happen to the taterskins but at the same time, i can't help but wonder what zorn ever did to deserve this. 

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 27, 2009, 12:16:22 AM

Quote from: MDS on October 27, 2009, 12:00:38 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2009, 11:53:26 PM

Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
easy this aint the time or place

not like anything goin on at the novacare is brag worthy

big up the phils son

Wrong, Todd.

Its always time to point and laugh at the taterskins and their fans suffering.

jayman

when the eagles are as bad as they are, you dont really got much ground to stand on. what is there to brag about? we both blow but you guys blow more? sign me up for that.

For as crummy as the Eagles have played, they aren't a colossal wreck like Washington is. Couple that with the unabashed homerism from their fans and you have an entertaining thing to watch.

Bottom line is that no one in the NFC can touch the Saints right now....so might as well point and laugh at these fargers

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2009, 11:55:55 AM
i would much rather be a skins fan than an eagles fan

Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 27, 2009, 12:13:55 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2009, 11:55:55 AM
i would much rather be a skins fan than an eagles fan

lolololz

Quote from: phattymatty on October 27, 2009, 11:11:32 AM
farg zorn and there is no excuse to ever feel bad about anything about that horrible organization. 

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 27, 2009, 04:16:08 PM
theres no chance that one of

cowher
holmgren
chuckie
shanny
fisher
dungy

is not coaching the skins this time next year

QuoteLANDOVER, Md. -- His voice low, his words sharp, Albert Haynesworth questioned teammates' desire after his Washington taterskins' 27-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday night.

"Urgency, heart, 'want-to,' whatever. I don't know. We're lacking a lot of stuff right now," the defensive tackle said.

For the second consecutive home game, thousands of spectators headed to the exits early.

"The fans are losing interest. The more games we play, the fewer fans come. It's getting bad," Haynesworth said.

The taterskins are 2-5 despite having opened the season with an NFL-record six consecutive games against winless teams. Washington's two wins were by a combined five points over teams that both are currently 0-7, Tampa Bay and St. Louis.

Asked if he delivered a postgame speech in the locker room, Haynesworth replied: "You can say but so much. You've got to actually 'want to.' So once we get to that point -- where we 'want to' do something -- then we'll do something. But if we just keep going our separate ways, then we'll just keep getting slaughtered like we have."

Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on October 27, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
A lot of talk on sports radio in this shteinhole sports town is about how Snyder is feeling the pinch of the terrible economy. Basically, it won't be "money is no object" when it comes to getting his new coach, because that was they case, he would just can Zorn. Also, I tell all the morons down here who talk about Holmgren, Cowher, Shanny, whoever, that they'll get none because they will all want 100% control on personnel. Danny won't ever give it up. Also, with how dirty Danny did Shottenheimerdinger, he'll never get a respected head coach to take the position. Up next: more pointing and laughing.

Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on October 27, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
A lot of talk on sports radio in this shteinhole sports town is about how Snyder is feeling the pinch of the terrible economy. Basically, it won't be "money is no object" when it comes to getting his new coach

Quotetaterskins find another way to alienate fan base
by Charles Robinson

Let's see if we can get this all straight. The Washington taterskins are 2-5, last in the NFC East and averaging an inept 13.7 points. The owner, Daniel Snyder, has neutered head coach Jim Zorn but refused to fire him. The general manager, Vinny Cerrato, is approaching a fifth straight NFL draft class without a Pro Bowl player. And the team's two biggest free agent signings, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth(notes) and cornerback DeAngelo Hall(notes), have separately questioned the team's desire and talent.

So what do the upper reaches of management do? They tacitly tell the salary-supporting, skybox-filling, Bentley-providing fanbase to shut up. That's right: Signs have officially been banned. Scream all you want, just don't show up with a message that could land on television screens or in media photos. If you bring them, security will insist you check them with the garbage bin attendants. And if you sneak them, you'll be booted out of the stadium.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 28, 2009, 04:05:19 PM
They also have banned media from interviewing fans in their FedEx parking lots.

I love this.

Quote[Updated: November 3, 2009, 3:41 PM ET
Snyder 'apologetic' over team's startComment Email Print Share Associated Press

CLINTON, Md. -- Dan Snyder says his Washington taterskins have "let everyone down."

In a rare, in-season interview with reporters, Snyder said at a charity event that the team is embarrassed by its 2-5 start and hopes to turn things around soon.

Snyder has been the subject of much ire from some fans. Signs critical of the owner have been confiscated at recent home games as part of the team's new crackdown on all signs and banners at the stadium.

Snyder was asked about the sign ban but did not address the issue. Regarding the fans, he said: "We've let everyone down, including ourselves, and we know that and we're just apologetic."

QuoteWhite House Crasher Faked Being a taterskins Cheerleader, Danced With Cheerleader Alum Group at Halftime of taterskins-Rams Game

By Paul Farhi
Washington Post Staff Writer


Before she made it into a White House state dinner without an official invitation, Michaele Salahi made it onto the taterskins alumni cheerleading squad -- without ever having been a taterskins cheerleader.

Salahi performed at FedEx Field during halftime of the taterskins-St. Louis Rams game Sept. 20 with a group of 150 former taterskins cheerleaders. Salahi's rehearsals with the group were filmed by a crew that has been following Michaele Salahi and her husband, Tareq, for possible inclusion on a cable TV reality show, "The Real Housewives of D.C."

Several former cheerleaders said in interviews that Michaele Salahi's presence at a rehearsal drew attention because of the TV cameras, but also suspicion because no one seemed to remember her as a cheerleader for the team.

Their doubts were heightened when Salahi couldn't perform some of the basic cheerleader routines, including the standard choreography for the team's fight song, "Hail to the taterskins."

But it wasn't until stories about the Salahis' White House incident last week that the cheerleaders decided to follow up on her credentials as a taterskins cheerleader.

"She was never at an audition, never at a game and never performed" as an original cheerleader, said Sheryl Olecheck, a taterskins cheerleader from 1986 to 1996 who choreographed the team for seven years. "When I saw her, I had to ask around: 'Who is that?' "

Another former cheerleader said she asked Salahi who her choreographer was when she performed. "She couldn't answer," she said.

The Washington taterskins Cheerleaders Alumni Association lists Salahi on its membership roster and indicates that she was a cheerleader during 1991 season under her nickname and maiden name, Missy Holt. However, when asked by the group for proof of her participation, Salahi was unable to supply any.

The group's president, Terri Lamb, said Wednesday, "We have no record that she ever was a taterskins cheerleader. She was listed on our 1991 roster at Ms. Salahi's request and based on her misrepresentation to us."

Complete article:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ss_print/style

including this from taterskins choreographer Olecheck, who said she was "unnerved" by the episode. "It takes a lot of time and heart and practice to be a taterskins cheerleader," she said. "It's really a privilege to wear the burgundy and gold. So I'm resentful. . . . For her to get out there and think she can just shake her pompoms is upsetting."

Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 07, 2009, 10:36:41 AM
and who gives a shtein if the skins kept the game closer than the eagles did?  the saints were absolutely on fire to start the year and the eagles were without their starting qb, didn't have an established #2 receiver, the linebackers were a bigger joke than they are now and the o-line was still under construction as well.  i'm not saying that the eagles would have won that game with everything in place, but they damn sure would have had a better showing on the scoreboard.   

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2009, 06:16:50 AM
oh and the eagles lost to the saints by a thousand

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2009, 06:53:13 AM
you can laugh all you want but you look silly doing it....you have it backwards...once they are out of the playoffs you want them to win..theres nothing funny about them having a top pick or a good coach or god forbid a real GM....winning gives them a false sense of how good they are and they just might not fire zorn or hire a football guy to run the team

you need to look big picture here

Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 09, 2009, 08:56:35 PM
i can't believe you're listening to taterskins radio.  i imagine the only thing worse than reading what those idiots have to say on es is actually listening to them say it.  at least when i read their senseless dribble i do it with funny voices in my head to help make it more entertaining.  the thought of actually listening to those knuckleheads is vomit inducing. 

Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 09, 2009, 08:56:35 PM
i can't believe you're listening to taterskins radio.  i imagine the only thing worse than reading what those idiots have to say on es is actually listening to them say it.  at least when i read their senseless dribble i do it with funny voices in my head to help make it more entertaining.  the thought of actually listening to those knuckleheads is vomit inducing. 

QuoteI hate that we have had so many injuries but it's been nice to see the young guys play. What's the story with Anthony Montgomery? I was real high on him coming out of colledge but he hasn't done squat.

Quote from: QB Eagles on December 13, 2009, 12:02:49 PM
You got Alex Smith vs the Cards? I'd start him over most QBs this week. Asomugha is going to shut down what little exists of Campbell's deep game.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 13, 2009, 07:03:09 PM
taterskins are going to win. Good. This worsens their draft position.

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 14, 2009, 12:23:04 AM
next two weeks:  vs New York, vs Dallas

damn we have to root for these guys huh

Quote from: King Cole on December 14, 2009, 02:04:12 AM
The religion angle has yet to be used to laugh at this franchise.

Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2009, 01:08:06 AM
btw the eagles won the division so these games are really just to keep 1 of the 2 out the playoffs since mathematically 1 has to make it. 

QuoteSource: Shanahan next on the taterskins' wish list
Posted by Mike Florio on December 17, 2009 1:04 PM ET
With the Washington taterskins successfully making a mockery of the Rooney Rule by announcing via e-mail the hiring of General Manager Bruce Allen exactly 114 minutes after announcing via e-mail that the job had become vacant, there's another fairly significant step in this remaking of the franchise.

Per a league source with knowledge of the current dynamics of the organization, former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has been targeted by the taterskins as the next head coach.

And even though Allen currently is getting the press, the guy who'll be running the show is Shanahan.

The taterskins quietly have been pursuing Shanahan for months.  Reports emerged earlier in the season that Shanahan twice rejected offers to become the team's new coach.  The thinking was that Shanahan wanted to survey other possible vacancies before making a commitment.

And while he has made no commitment to the taterskins, we're told that the resignation of Cerrato and the hiring of Allen is the first tangible step in the process.

So even though Allen and Shanahan have no history of collaboration and despite more obvious ties between Allen and former Bucs and Raiders coach Jon Gruden, the source predicts very confidently that coach Jim Zorn eventually will quit or be fired -- and that Shanahan will get the job.

The only remaining question is whether the announcements will be made 114 minutes apart.

Quote from: Eagaholic on December 17, 2009, 01:21:45 PM
They'll have 5 QBs on the roster to compete with Campbell.

I'd like a Gruden/Allen combo as an Eagles fan, although it is an upgrade. Especially for MNF. Gruden is beyond brutal.

QuoteMike Shanahan may indeed become the next head coach of the Washington taterskins, but the question is has the organization adequately considered minority candidates as required thus far?

Currently, there are a lot of conflicting reports about the taterskins' internal interviewing practices in regards to their not-so-vacant head coaching position.

The question is, is this by design?

"I can't say for sure, but something definitely is fishy around here based on what I know," said a well-placed source within the taterskins organization told FOX31's Josina Anderson on Sunday.

This source had a lot to say, on many different fronts.

Before breaking down the inside chatter behind the walls at taterskins Park, it's important to once again shine a spotlight on the NFL's Rooney Rule which was established in 2003. This rule mandates teams in the league interview at least one minority candidate for head coaching and senior operations opportunities in an effort to address it's once dismal record of neglecting such qualified persons.

With that being said, let's begin to answer the leading question.

Since the Denver Post reported last Thursday that Shanahan appears headed to the taterskins to become their new head coach, two reports have been posted about internal minority candidates interviewing for this position.

Presumably.

An initial report by ProFootballTalk.com which said taterskins defensive coordinator Greg Blache, an African American, interviewed for this still-occupied position is currently being refuted by the Washington Post's new report which alternately says taterskins secondary coach, Jerry Gray, also an African American, is actually the one who discussed the opening with taterskins owner Daniel Snyder.

However...

Sunday a source told Fox31 that not only has all the aforementioned information been denied by said coaches within their own walls, the reports themselves are causing ruffled feathers within the ranks in Ashburn, Virginia.

"First of all when that story came out, some of the coaches around here were saying that (Jim) Zorn (taterskins current head coach) was pissed. I know that Greg (Blache) went to Jim and told him it wasn't true," said the inside source to Anderson.

When asked how they could be sure Blache himself is telling the truth to Zorn, the source replied, "All I know is what Greg said to Jim, which is that (Greg) said he didn't do it."

Later, when other members of the taterskins coaching staff became aware of the Washington Post's new report--stating their colleague Jerry Gray allegedly was the man among them that actually met with Snyder--the other coaches became visibly upset.

"I mean coaches that go to bible study together were getting split over their emotions about this. Jerry was confronted about the fact that the other coaches were sitting around talking about him, wondering whether he discussed the head coaching position with Snyder or not. Jerry told Zorn, 'they leak things out like that because that is what they want people to think. (The media) has no quotes from me because I didn't interview for the job.'"

The source added that Gray continued to defend himself to Zorn saying, "'why would I interview for the job and not tell you.'"

Obviously, just because Gray said this to Zorn, according to our source, doesn't guarantee that Gray is being honest with Zorn.

"I don't know, but I know for a fact that is what Jerry (Gray) told Jim (Zorn)."

Well apparently Zorn is taking Gray at his word because per his normal routine Gray was still scheduled to ride with the taterskins head coach to the team hotel at the Marriott in Greenbelt, Maryland in advance of their game against the Giants on Monday, according to the source.

"Gray said that he was still going to be picking up Jim (Zorn) from his house and going over to the team hotel like normal. That's what was said; whether it still happened, I don't know."

QuoteRB Clinton Portis 'Holding the Organization Hostage?'
Is he partly to blame for the taterskins downward spiral?

As disappointment nears a climax with the taterskins season drawing to a close, there's no shortage of blame to go around, and one finger is being pointed at running back Clinton Portis.

Please note, this is not the first time frustration over Portis' status has been shared with FOX31 this season, however these same sentiments were strenuously reiterated about their star back on Sunday.

"There is a lot of mess going on around here that is starting to come to a head. The only reason, in my opinion, that we're in this position is because Clinton and Dan (Snyder) are tight. I'm telling you, Portis is holding everybody hostage," opined the same source.

While adamantly alleging that Portis' leveraging of his relationship with Snyder is corroding the organization from within, the source made sure to emphasize that Portis is never overtly insubordinate in doing so, per their observation.

"I don't doubt that Portis was raised right. You can tell he has sense in that manner."

However, there is a palpable overflow of frustration over Portis seemingly operating by a different set of rules. To the source, the double standard is crippling the taterskins organization.

"Clinton is not a disrespectful young man, but the bottom line is he reported out of shape. Too often he would be trying to get out of practicing because he knows he doesn't have to. He's Dan's boy. I'm telling you yeah, he's holding the franchise hostage because we knew as a staff we had to play him even when he wasn't playing well.  You got the offensive line blocking their (edit) off, and (Portis) is making these bad (edit) reads. I remember overhearing one of the offensive lineman begging during the game for (Ladell) Betts to be put in when they saw (Portis) screwing up."

Throughout various conversations over the season, this source has repeatedly emphasized how Portis could be the best in the league at his position, but per their feelings, Portis doesn't put in the work consistently.

Instead Portis, who had 124 carries for 494 yards before being recently placed on injured reserve, is being accused of being a distraction to some of his teammates and some of the staff.

"Some of the players have come up to me and others worrying about Portis getting unfair treatment. If he performed well consistently they could live with it, but when they see him screwing up trust me it's another story," said the source.

When asked what was Portis' reaction to hearing occasional complaints from the staff or some of his teammates about this alleged desire to avoid practice at times, the source said Portis couldn't have been more nonchalant if he tried.

"He would say, 'I've ran the plays a thousand times. I don't need to practice them man.'"

"(Portis) would say he gave us all he had on Sunday. That's his favorite line: 'I gave ya'll all I had on Sunday. If ya'll want me to play Sunday, ya'll need to let me rest.'"

In this source's opinion, if Zorn would have dealt with this apparent double standard of treating Portis differently, the taterskins would have been in a much better position than the 4-9 record they have going into their Monday night game against the Giants.

Improved communication would have helped as well.

"Too many people were in Jim's ears. That's another big problem. If Jason (Campbell) did something bad, you would still be hearing about it on the sidelines way too long; even when the defense was on the field. (Other coaches) would never allow Jim to move on. But when Sherman Lewis came in, that got streamlined a little better."

Apparently, not soon enough.

"Now it is too late, and it's too bad."

Quote1st Downs 16 0
Passing 1st downs 9 0
Rushing 1st downs 7 0
1st downs from penalties 0 0
3rd down efficiency 8-9 0-3
4th down efficiency 0-0 0-0
Total Plays 39 9
Total Yards 226 -2
Passing 162 -14
Comp-Att 14-19 1-4
Yards per pass 8.5 -3.5
Rushing 64 12
Rushing Attempts 19 3
Yards per rush 3.4 4.0
Red Zone (Made-Att) 3-4 0-0
Penalties 0-0 1-5
Turnovers 0 0
Fumbles lost 0 0
Interceptions thrown 0 0
Possession 20:58 4:26

Quote from: QB Eagles on December 21, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
Too bad we need these clowns to get it together for next week so the Birds can knock the Cowboys out of the playoffs while seizing the first-round bye.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 22, 2009, 12:00:46 PM
That play was nothing more than Zorn giving the finger to Snyder and everyone else on his way out the door.

Quote from: LBIggle on December 21, 2009, 10:10:58 PM
that last play before halftime was the worst thing i have ever seen.  so awesome, just no words for how bad that was.  you would think out of the 9 people calling the play that someone would be like "wtf, why are we doing that."

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 24, 2009, 10:18:13 AM
Riggins is Ted Nugent

Quote"Snyder took a very under-marketed asset and squeezed every last cent out of it," says Dan Kaplan, finance editor at The Sports Business Journal. "He's turned the taterskins into a cash machine. And the result is a completely soulless, corporate product."

...

Hall of Fame running back and taterskins' all-time leading rusher John Riggins sees it all too well. In a mid-December interview with NEWSWEEK, Riggins described a party he'd recently attended at the home of a U.S. senator. "There were some Supreme Court justices there, definitely people high up inside the government," says Riggins, "and they were all saying the same thing: they are done supporting this team."

QuoteThe 2009 taterskins can't even get through Christmas Day without controversy.

Albert Haynesworth, the team's highest-paid player, just left the facility after a heated discussion with coach Jim Zorn.

As his teammates warmed up before practice, Haynesworth and Zorn got into it on an adjacent field. Defensive coordinator Greg Blache finally walked over to try to play peacemaker, but Haynesworth soon walked into the building. Not long afterwards, the All-Pro defensive tackle drove away from taterskins Park.

After practice, I'll ask the embattled Zorn what the heck happened between him and Haynesworth, who has a seven-year, $100 million contract with $41 million guaranteed.

-- David Elfin

Quote from: Munson on December 25, 2009, 02:46:07 PM
If only I was getting 41 million guarenteed...

QuoteHaynesworth believes that Zorn used his tardiness as an excuse to discipline him because of the coaching staff's anger about his recent biting postgame comments. "They're all against me or whatever," he said. "But I know what I'm saying is right because I've been in a scheme that works."

Quote"We're going to change the scheme up, make it around you. We want you to do what you do. They might have changed a little bit [but] they don't let me rush. They call what Blache calls 'Hot,' a basic pass rush, maybe a few times a game. And half the time that's changed because of some formation. I disagree with their whole scheme."

Several times, Haynesworth has initiated closed-door discussions with Blache about the system, offering ideas on how the team might be more productive, people in the organization familiar with Haynesworth's actions said. But Blache has not been receptive, and the situation reached a boiling point in the last game.

"What made me do this [criticize the team's leadership and defensive scheme after the last game] is . . . he tells me, 'Get out of my face,' " Haynesworth said of Blache. "When I go up to him in the game it's like, 'Hey, we need to do this because this will help.' He tells me, 'Get out of my face. Go sit down. Go sit down.' Like I'm a kid or something like that. That's when I said what I said after the game. That's what made me respond the way that I did."

Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 25, 2009, 04:26:43 PM

Quote from: Munson on December 25, 2009, 02:46:07 PM
If only I was getting 41 million guarenteed...

if only you knew how to use spell check

QuotePosted by Josh Alper on December 26, 2009 5:32 PM ET
According to a report by Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune and NFP, taterskins defensive lineman had designs on doing more than just showing up late for taterskins practice on Christmas Day.

Biggs reports that Haynesworth tried to get other members of the taterskins to arrive late to work on Friday as a protest of the early start time for practice. The team wanted to get practice over as early as possible to allow players and staff to spend time with their families on the holiday, but it seems Haynesworth disagreed with that choice.

(Perhaps he was up late enjoying cookies and milk left out for St. Nick at his house. And at 100 or so others.)

Haynesworth was sent home by the team when he arrived an hour late on Friday. Haynesworth responded by blasting the coaching staff for using him incorrectly and said that the team needed someone to lead them in the right direction.

The taterskins have said that Haynesworth will play on Sunday night against the Cowboys, but it remains to be seen whether additional discipline will be imposed on him in light of his conduct.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 24, 2009, 10:18:13 AM
Riggins is Ted Nugent

QuoteExtremeSkins Fan View: Cap Hell Rocks!
By Arthur Mills
ExtremeSkins.com
March 16, 2006




Don't hate us because we're beautiful.

No more blank, wondering stares, confused head scratching, frothing emotional outbursts, conspiracy theories or embarrassing, dismissive references to 2000. The Washington taterskins are the central theme of every NFL team message board out there. Here's a message to you all from all ExtremeSkins fans everywhere.

It's time to embrace the reality of it all. Simply, we're better than you.  :-D

That's it. Look no further. We are better than you. We're more fun. It feels better to be us. We've got flair. We're audacious, capricious, bodacious, supercalifragilisticxpalidocious.

Are you finally getting it?

Yes, yes, I know cap hell was supposed to be upon us. I know that's what you've been told. I feel for you, I really do. As you come to realize we're better than you, a second bit of stark reality must also penetrate. We're smarter than them.

Repeat after me.

The Washington taterskins are managed, coached and owned by highly professional people who know more about running a football franchise than ALL the unnamed, anonymous sources any reporter has yanked from the broom closet and quoted.

Don't take my word for it. Take the following words for it.

Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, Adam Archuleta, Andre Carter, Todd Collins, Christian Fauria.   :-D

The question you all should be asking isn't, "How is all this possible?" No. The question should be, "How didn't we know this was all possible?"

Six years of assurances cap hell was on the way and you still allowed yourself to believe the tripe. Perhaps busting the cap hell myth as it relates to the Washington taterskins is just too painful a thing for media and fans of other teams to do.

Like a child coming to the harsh knowledge Santa doesn't exist, the media and opposing teams' fans are struggling desperately to hang on to the fiction that cap hell is on the way for the taterskins despite--literally--YEARS of demonstrated contrary evidence.

Here's the best part.

You don't have to hate us for what we're doing. You can do it, too.

"The thing I want to emphasize is this: We haven't done one thing that anybody else can't do," Joe Gibbs said after the introductory press conference for Andre Carter. "We have certain rules in the league. Here's the cap, here's the numbers, here's what you can spend, so everybody in the league can do what we're doing, it's just that they choose not to, many of them."

Deep down, this is really the issue, isn't it? You can do it too and you know it, but, your team doesn't do it, so, you have a hard choice. Hate your team, or hate us.

Say you're a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles. You always have all those many millions available, which somehow never seem to get spent. All week you're hearing how you have LeCharles Bentley locked up as your free agent masterstroke to solidify your offensive line.

You are giddy. You're thrilled. You know this is the guy you need. He fills a need and makes it a strength. You're excited about the prospects of adding such a substantial piece. Then, the Cleveland Browns call, offer a few more bucks to Bentley and Bentley winds up in Cleveland leaving you with nothing more than whimpering excuses that Bentley is from Cleveland and always wanted to play there.

Oh, hush.

Antwaan Randle El is from Chicago. He's always wanted to play there. Yet he's playing in D.C. Adam Archuleta  :-D admits he adores Lovie Smith after years playing for him with St. Louis and wanted to play with him in Chicago. Yet he's playing in D.C. Andre Carter just had to meet the Broncos because his father played there 12 years and he envisioned being the second generation of his family with the team. Yet he's playing in D.C.

And it's driving you crazy because you were so excited and thrilled about the prospects of adding a good player your management and owner can't figure out how to land while we get EVERY single player we shoot at.

We get to actually live the thrill and giddiness you only get to brush up against. And it's killing you.

Did we pay a premium for generally young players entering their prime with years left to play in the NFL? You bet we did. Kind of like when the Eagles lock up their own young players for a premium before they really emerge on the scene and everyone calls that genius. Think of it like that, only, with the component of actually being smart because an expensive 24-year-old promising receiver suddenly becomes a very cheap 26-year-old receiver when he grabs 80 balls.

See, we already had good players under contract. Now we have more.

As you struggle to find words to describe the coming cap doom heading our way, try to process one final thought. When you have that free agent you need all lined up and you don't get him, well, isn't that really what cap hell feels like?

I wouldn't know, because I don't ever have to feel that way.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2009, 03:09:33 PM
the only thing better than that piece would be if jo polnechecks motorcycle actually started

Quote from: Beermonkey on December 31, 2009, 12:58:39 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2009, 03:09:33 PM
the only thing better than that piece would be if jo polnechecks motorcycle actually started

The only thing more surprising and disturbing than your knowledge of "Facts of Life", is my mother's discovery of my homemade Lisa Whelchel sex doll made from some pillows, bra, panties, a kitchen towel and latex gloves.

QuotePosted by Mike Florio on January 2, 2010 9:12 PM ET
Richmond isn't the only major city in Virginia that has opted not to televise Sunday's game featuring the taterskins.

The Norfolk FOX affiliate reportedly has dumped the taterskins-Chargers game.  Sports director Bruce Rader explained the decision by telling the Virginian-Pilot that the taterskins are "unwatchable."

Like the FOX affiliate in Richmond, the Norfolk station will show the game between the Eagles and the Cowboys instead.

Quote"The status quo is not acceptable."

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 03, 2010, 07:25:24 PM
probably....either Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen

Quote from: Rome on January 04, 2010, 10:37:51 AM
they don't need a quarterback.   they have colt brennanz!!

QuoteThe former Denver Broncos coach flew to Washington on Dan Snyder's plane Monday, hours after the team fired Jim Zorn.

Shanahan was talking to the taterskins' owner Monday afternoon, a meeting that was scheduled to go into the night, with taterskins general manager Bruce Allen joining them later.

Snyder's plane, dubbed taterskins One, landed at Dulles International Airport near taterskins Park in midafternoon, and Shanahan was driven away in a limousine.

QuoteAttention Members Of The Media

Will you guys please log the **** off of ES. Your continued lurking presence here has slowed down the board causing it to load really slow for some of our membership.

Go on, log off. Get off of here. Quit using us as "sources" and go do the job you're actually being paid for.

Especially you, Florio. You should be ashamed for basically stealing money from NBC for all the cut n pasting you've done here.

And I haven't forgotten abot you either, JLC. Yesterday on the NFLN you even read word for word something that was posted here.

Seriously. Log off. Go do your jobs or ask me who & where you can send your paychecks to.

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 05, 2010, 09:19:45 PM
5/$35M

ha

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2010, 09:58:51 PM
not scared but there isnt any question the taterskins will get better under him which puts them potentially with or even ahead of the eagles

its not a matter of being scared its a matter of having another team in your division improve

but really all i was wondring is why is seven million bucks for him a laughing matter...dook has two superbowls..and he will have more say in football matters than the skins gm so for all intents and purposes he is a gm...allen is gonna be more of a contract salary cap guy than a PP guy

QuoteRe: Any Other Season Ticket Holders Not Renewing?
Why should anybody not renew? We are turning this mother around!

QuoteShanahan has final say in Washington
Posted by Mike Florio on January 5, 2010 8:54 PM ET
When Bruce Allen became the new General Manager of the Washington taterskins, owner Daniel Snyder proclaimed that Allen "has the authority."

"When we, when he, when the club makes a decision, it's a taterskins decision," Snyder said.

Folks who had been tracking the Shanahan rumors knew better.

Less than three weeks later, there's a new sheriff in town, and coach Mike Shanahan has the authority that Allen possessed on a short-term basis, like a library book.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that, in addition to coaching the team, Shanahan will serve as executive Vice President of football operations.  That's the same title Vinny Cerrato most recently held.

Schefter also reports that Shanahan, not Allen, now has the "ultimate authority" over football decisions.

And so the clumsily-kept secret is now out in the open.  By all appearances, Shanahan and Allen were a package deal, with Allen coming through the door first and pretending to be in charge until Shanahan was hired.

Meanwhile, the taterskins interviewed no one else after the firing of Jim Zorn, turning the Rooney Rule upside down and creating a horrible precedent for its application in the future.

But, hey, the taterskins got the guy they coveted.  The guy whose Broncos went 8-8 in 2008, just like the taterskins did.  The guy whose Broncos went 7-9 in 2007, two games worse than the taterskins.

The guy who has won only one playoff game in the eleven years since winning a second straight Super Bowl with a team built largely by someone else, and held together in part by proven salary-cap violations for which the Broncos were fined nearly $2 million and stripped of two third-round draft picks.

So now that the taterskins got the guy they coveted, can someone explain to us why in the hell they coveted him?

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2010, 10:06:59 PM
He's overrated. I've always thought he was deserving of that tag because as a GM he's terrible and those SBs were because of Elway and Terrell Davis. He hasn't won shtein since.

Quote from: reese125 on January 06, 2010, 09:23:12 AM
this dude has been notoriously crushed in the media for his huge mismanagement of draft picks, crazy ass FA signings and trades.

Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2010, 10:39:41 PM
Isn't this the guy that dumped Clinton Portis? That should lead to a few minutes of entertainment.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 06, 2010, 04:35:26 PM
In game, easily Shannahan over Reid.  Reid as GM over Shannahan all day

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what I never understood is why they considered Philly In the NFC east to begin with. With their history it would make more sense to put them in with the nfc west, I'd rather have teams like greenbay or the bears. I usually bring this topic up in the philly forum and they go ape **** defending their spot in the NFC east.

I think they are the smallest market in the NFC east right??

Quote from: paco on January 07, 2010, 10:39:27 AM
Sorry, but I HAD to post this brilliance from ES

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what I never understood is why they considered Philly In the NFC east to begin with. With their history it would make more sense to put them in with the nfc west, I'd rather have teams like greenbay or the bears. I usually bring this topic up in the philly forum and they go ape **** defending their spot in the NFC east.

I think they are the smallest market in the NFC east right??

QuoteSeriously. I like me some good ol' trash talking. Wild card weekend smack down. I love the locker room bulletin board material. I love it when Ochocinco does it. I HATE it when someone like DJax does it. SHUT THE **** UP, KID!

QuoteI mentioned this in another thread. I have heard someone mention "Tranny for Shanny" and "Shanafan" so far.

QuoteWell, he may be Can-a-man this off-season, Shan-a-camp in Carlisle then Champion-man by December.

Quotetaterskins Football...It's Shana-Han-a-Riffic!!

QuoteShanallen (Half Shanahan/Half Allen) (pronounced sha-nal-len)

or.... Welcome to al-Shanistan

QuoteFo' shizzle my Shizzanahan

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Shan-WOW!

QuoteSo, yesterday I am driving to work with a smile on my face. This is not, traditionally, a common occurrence, as my job and I don't particularly see eye to eye. However, on this fine day, I am smiling, and my job is the farthest thing from my thoughts. You know why? Because my beloved Washington taterskins have hired a new coach, and I approve, baby! That's why! Because Shanny has a great resume, and after hearing his press conference, a sense of hope came back to me. I flip on the radio to hear if there might be any other great news, hey, maybe we traded Portis, Landry, two ham sammitches and Zorn's old slip 'n' slide for Peyton Manning. Ahhh, dreams! Anyway, the very first caller I hear immediately kills my buzz with...

"Shannahan aint never won nuthin without Elway as his QB!"

Dammit! People! I was enjoying this for a second! Now, aside from the obvious piling on aspect, and the need to somehow be a contrarian, what the hell does this comment mean? Really? How many championships did Dungy without Manning? Jimmie Johnson without Aikman? Holmgren without Favre? Belichek without cheating? I mean Brady?

Truth be told, the only coach I can think of off the back of my hand who did it multiple times with different QBs is our very own Joe Gibbs! Bill Walsh had Montana and Young...(I think Walsh won one with Young there at the end?)

Hell, Andy Reid has had McNabb the whole time, and he hasn't got one yet! Maybe this is the year? My point is this... Of course Elway made the Broncos a great team. But maybe Shanny helped make Elway, also? More importantly, Shanny was a winner WITHOUT Elway as well. He still made playoff appearances on a regular basis. The Broncos were still an annual favorite to win the AFC East. And he was doing it with none other than future HOFer Jake "the snake" Plummer.

Stop with the hate, please, and let me get back to my stupid grin! I want to believe....

QuoteI think Walsh won one with Young there at the end?

Quote from: rjs246 on January 07, 2010, 02:08:56 PM
The lack of an Icky Shuffle in that game was a crushing blow to my 11 year old self.

QuoteHaslett looks like favorite for taterskins coordinator job
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 12, 2010 2:16 PM ET
Mike Zimmer's return to Cincinnati as defensive coordinator should have a ripple effect around the league.

Zimmer was believed to be at the top of Washington's wish list for their defensive coordinator job.  Following the Zimmer news, the Washington Post writes that Jim Haslett appears to be the front runner for the team's position. Haslett met with Mike Shanahan and the taterskins Monday.

taterskins secondary coach Jerry Gray has also "received consideration" but it appears Washington may be ready to move on from the Greg Blatche/Jerry Gray defense that has performed rather well.

Quote from: General_Failure on January 13, 2010, 12:08:44 PM
I love their philosophy of picking up staff members for a coach they don't have yet.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 13, 2010, 10:28:25 AM
done deal

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/12/taterskins-hire-haslett/

Quote#  MurderCapital#1 says:  January 12, 2010 10:01 PM

We should have kept Zorn so he could learn to be a HC. The Rat isn't a spring chicken and Zorn could learn... maybe.

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 13, 2010, 02:14:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4822152

joe bugel retiring.  maybe now skins fans will finally stop wearing dresses to the game. 

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Jay Glazer reports that [Bill]Romanowski is interviewing in Washington to be the team's strength and conditioning coach.   Seriously.

There are a ton of jokes that could be made here, but we'll leave them to the commenters.

Instead, we wonder if the league will have an opinion on the hiring of an admitted steroid user and pill enthusiast for a job that puts him in charge of the conditioning of an entire NFL team.