Around the NFL - 2011

[MDS]

if you have det and the over this is painful

lets go meaningless cover td baby

[ice grillin you]

we all dont bet like you big guy

[ice grillin you]

thats a bad call

[MDS]

im going for a middle/homer shot if detroit covers but doesnt win and the over hits

and holy shtein thats junior galette the former part time temple owl

[ice grillin you]

why does everyone have great uniforms cept the eagles and expansion teams

[PhillyPhreak54]

Detroit is the dumbest team in the league. I'd cut Logan and Young tonight for their dumb penalties and I'd suspend Pettigrew for a game.

[ice grillin you]

Detroit is the dumbest team in the league.

you mean the second dumbest right?

[Munson]

[PhillyPhreak54]

Detroit is the dumbest team in the league.

you mean the second dumbest right?

if you're referring to the Eagles - they just stink and are fundamentally unsound.

[ice grillin you]

Detroit is the dumbest team in the league.

you mean the second dumbest right?

if you're referring to the Eagles - they just stink and are fundamentally unsound.

isnt that the definition of dumb

[General_Failure]

why does everyone have great uniforms cept the eagles and expansion teams

Eagles
Seattle
Bears orange alts
Any solid color jersey/pants combination
Cincinnati

Not too long of a list, but the Eagles and Seattle are 1 and 1a.

[BigEd76]

Detroit is the dumbest team in the league.

you mean the second dumbest right?

if you're referring to the Eagles - they just stink and are fundamentally unsound.

isnt that the definition of dumb

No.  You can be dumb as hell and still be able to tackle

[Diomedes]

So it looks like Forte has a grade 2 MCL sprain, which is a nice little situation for him.  He's basically done for the year, but he's gonna get paid for his efforts.  No more risk of serious injury, because by the time he's ready to play again, the Bears will be out of the race for the playoffs, and at that point, it will serve no one to put him back in.

[Eagaholic]

Chrissakes now these players have to become fargin lawyers, too.

Not that anybody should want to read all this, but what about a RB lining up and taking a direct snap - isnt he then the QB and afforded all those protections?

League's explanation of hit on McCoy doesn't bode well for Harrison
Posted by Mike Florio on December 9, 2011, 4:06 PM EST
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The Browns likely are in hot water for allowing quarterback Colt McCoy to play with a concussion.  Steelers linebacker James Harrison apparently will be in hot water for giving it to him.

We explained earlier today that the rule book contains language supporting Harrison's belief that McCoy was fair game for a helmet-to-helmet hit because he was running with the ball toward the line of scrimmage before flipping it at the last instant to running back Montarrio Hardesty.  But the league has sent to PFT an explanation of the roughing the passer penalty called on Harrison, and the league's explanation suggests that Harrison will be facing discipline next week.

"In the fourth quarter of the Cleveland Browns-Pittsburgh Steelers game last night, Steelers linebacker James Harrison was penalized for roughing the passer," the league said.   "Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13( and (3) of the NFL Rule Book (page 75-76) is applicable to the roughing the passer penalty called against Harrison.

"When a passer is outside the pocket area as in the case of Cleveland quarterback Colt McCoy last night, he is still afforded the protection of Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13 (3), which prohibits defensive players from using their helmet against a passer who is in a defenseless posture, including by "forcibly hitting the passer's head or neck area with the helmet or facemask, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the passer by encircling or grasping him."

The text of the applicable rules appears after the break.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13( contains language that could give Harrison a safe harbor based on the fact that McCoy was running with the ball toward the line of scrimmage before he flipped the ball to Hardesty, by exempting from the rule any quarterback who is "attempting to advance the ball as a runner."  So I specifically  asked league spokesman Greg Aiello whether McCoy would be viewed as "attempting to advance the ball as a runner."

In response, Aiello pointed out the presence of the following clause, from the same rule:  "or throws while on the run."  This apparently means that, in the league's view, the fact that McCoy threw while running with the ball brought him within the protection against blows to the head, even if he was before throwing the ball "attempting to advance the ball as a runner."

As a result, Harrison most likely will be hearing from the league next Tuesday.  Given his history — three fines last year for hits on quarterbacks and one for unnecessary roughness for a total post-appeal amount of $57,500 — Harrison now faces a significant fine, and possibly a suspension.

HITS TO PASSER'S HEAD AND USE OF HELMET AND FACEMASK

(3) In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary-roughness rules covering these subjects). A defensive player must not use his helmet against a passer who is in a defenseless posture for example, (a) forcibly hitting the passer's head or neck area with the helmet or facemask, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the passer by encircling or grasping him, or (b) lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/"hairline" parts of the helmet against any part of the passer's body. This rule does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or non-crown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on a passer.

PASSER OUT OF THE POCKET

( When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule provided for in (1) above, and the protection against a low hit provided for in (5) above, but he remains covered by all the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket (numbers 2, 3, 4, 6, and 7), as well as the regular unnecessary-roughness rules applicable to all player positions. If the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he will then be covered by all of the special protections for passers.

I understand the rationale behind the thinking here - franchise QBs making $18 million a year, concussions and CTE, the law suits stemming from them down the road and so on - but the NFL is out of control with farging rules. They are worse than the goddam IRS. It's a lawyer dominated mind set that is now in charge of a freaking game. When not only fans, but players and coaches and even farging refs can't even keep up with them, it's bizarre and out of control. Wtf?

OK, back to my whiskey goddammit.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That hit was one of the dirtiest head to head hits I've seen. And the close-ups of McCoy after he came back in were hilarious. Deer in headlights for sure.