Health Care Reform thread

[reese125]

I love hearing the words health care reform.

[rjs246]

I posted a neutral fact check after Obama's speech and the response I got was.. "who cares?"

Pretty sure that wasn't my response. In fact, I'm pretty well versed in both sides of this argument. shorebird and his sky-is-falling, calling the president names, foolish paranoia is what I've been responding to. But whatever. It's too exhausting to keep up.

[shorebird]

None of the 'facts' you've presented actually prove me wrong or you right. In fact, most of them aren't even facts:

- Your first article above is an op-ed in the Post. It's an opinion piece. No facts outside of quotes.
- The second, from the Examiner, is also an opinion piece. It talks about the national debt, which isn't up for debate. Everyone knows what it is and why it is where it is. It doesn't present any facts stating unequivocally that health care reform will lead to a larger deficit.
- The third article is the same 'few analysts are optimistic...' hardly qualifies as cold hard facts refuting anything the president has said.

What you're doing is reading right-leaning opinion pieces as though they were scientifically unbiased research papers full of immutable facts.

Right leaning in the Washington Post? Bullshtein.

My advice is to get off of my johnson and take a deep breath. I've already said repeatedly that I don't like the bill that I've read (and read about) as it exists. There are a lot of ways to improve it and some obvious things that could be done to save more money. You seem to think that I'm just closing my eyes and suckling the teet of whatever bill comes out of the House... actually, farg it, that's not even true. Every one of your posts just reeks of affected conservative anger. The right is irrationally convinced that we're all going to hell and that this abstract concept of a national deficit is ushering us there. It's insane. Countries have carried debt greater than ours throughout history. Get a farging grip.

Look, he says he will save money by Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid, but doesn't say how that will happen. There are numerous anylist and experts who say it cannot be done, that say the bureaucrats who run medicade and medicare, who Obama himself has said are highly inefficient will be in charge of running a trillion dollar health care program. So please, he hasn't said or done anything to prove he will save money or improve efficiency. It's as plain as day. But go ahead and dismiss hard evidence and track records as leftist sky is falling crap. It becomes you.

[shorebird]

I posted a neutral fact check after Obama's speech and the response I got was.. "who cares?"

Pretty sure that wasn't my response. In fact, I'm pretty well versed in both sides of this argument. shorebird and his sky-is-falling, calling the president names, foolish paranoia is what I've been responding to. But whatever. It's too exhausting to keep up.

You're the only person calling names right now son. I did it once when I was shtein faced. You do it all the time and then call someone else out on it. You say the same tired old bullshtein over and over and then claim to be well versed on both sides of the argument? HA! Thats alright, it's your world, I'm just passing through.

[rjs246]

You are ridiculous. I explained this already. When the conversation is adult, I behave as an adult. When the conversation is schoolyard I respond accordingly. You post opinion pieces and tout them as facts. You ignore 90% of what I say in my post and then mis-interpret the rest. (The Post isn't right leaning, nor did I say that it was. That article was right leaning, and an opinion piece to boot.) You get all fired up and rattle off paranoid arguments straight from Republican mouthpieces. You're acting angry about something and getting your hackles all raised every time I argue with you. Settle down old man you're going to give yourself a stroke.

[shorebird]

Who's mad? Not I.

I've posted articles you dismiss as right leaning opinion pieces because you don't agree with them. And stop trying to make yourself look so big and above it all with your 'I behave as an adult and respond accordingly to the school yard stuff" ridiculousness. I've done nothing but respond to your post's with a different opinion. But, since I don't agree with you and yes, make you look like you don't know what you're talking about, you accuse me of being a foolish paranoid, and old man, a condensending asshat, and say very one of my posts  reeks of affected conservative anger. All that without actually addressing anything that I've posted directly.

You act like a bleeding heart left wing wacko without even knowing it.

So, instead of posting ignorant attacks, how about actually telling me how Obama will cut cost and increase efficiency, instead of just saying that Obama has said he will do it, 'cause I can't find anywere that he's explained it.

[ATV]

Thank God for Glenn Beck...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded

Awesome.

[reese125]

Who's mad? Not I.

I've posted articles you dismiss as right leaning opinion pieces because you don't agree with them. And stop trying to make yourself look so big and above it all with your 'I behave as an adult and respond accordingly to the school yard stuff" ridiculousness. I've done nothing but respond to your post's with a different opinion. But, since I don't agree with you and yes, make you look like you don't know what you're talking about, you accuse me of being a foolish paranoid, and old man, a condensending asshat, and say very one of my posts  reeks of affected conservative anger. All that without actually addressing anything that I've posted directly.

You act like a bleeding heart left wing wacko without even knowing it.

So, instead of posting ignorant attacks, how about actually telling me how Obama will cut cost and increase efficiency, instead of just saying that Obama has said he will do it, 'cause I can't find anywere that he's explained it.

shore, why in gods name do you keep repeating the same question over and over? if you havent gotten your answer yet after the 15th try will not ever get it.

are you trying to rewrite the definition of insanity?

[shorebird]

Ya' know what, you're right, it's like beatin' a dead horse. I'm taking your advice and going to bed. Goodnight.

[rjs246]

shorebird thinks he's making me look like I don't know what I'm talking about by posting opinion pieces saying that reform will never work. I don't know how to properly respond to that.

Also, I followed a very strict no-politics talk rule for most of my adult life which has gotten totally derailed over the past year. I'm thinking it might be time to reinstate the rule. Listening to how other people interpret the information that is out there makes me long for the end of days.

[bowzer]

Thank God for Glenn Beck...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y&feature=player_embedded

Awesome.

You have no opinion.  You just post youtube clips.  They are worthless.  There are stupid people on both sides...  it's really not that hard to comprehend.

[Diomedes]

If you're looking to avoid other people making you want end of days, I suggest you avoid them all to a man completely

this is of course best accomplished by a good suicide

hop to

[Sgt PSN]

don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

drunk bitches fall for that one all the time. 

[General_Failure]

Also, I followed a very strict no-politics talk rule for most of my adult life which has gotten totally derailed over the past year. I'm thinking it might be time to reinstate the rule.

We had that same rule for the board for quite a while. It obviously wasn't a good idea to let it slip.

[ice grillin you]

how awful would that be....this is the best thread on the entire site