Lurie Article from the Boston Globe

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Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:26:59 PM
If we're going to look at trends, how many coaches that have lost a superbowl have later come back to win one?

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General_Failure

Great news for the Chiefs in twenty years or so, then.

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ice grillin you

Quote from: Diomedes on January 05, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:26:13 PMseveral rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal

yeh man, happens all the time


theres been what 43 superbowls and i believe at least 3 rookies have won it...its not like its a once in a lifetime thing...it only doesnt happen more because rookie coaches are generally rookies because the team they are taking over stinks...its not because rookie coaches cant be great coaches

in the end the canucks intial point that reid should be kept because he has experience is pretty meaningless...especially so in todays parity ridden league where 1-15 teams win divisions the next season
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SD_Eagle5

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 07:48:48 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years.  As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more.  So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.


theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
switzer




munson could have coached the Cowboys that year and they still would have won the SB

General_Failure

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 05, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:26:13 PMseveral rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal

yeh man, happens all the time


theres been what 43 superbowls and i believe at least 3 rookies have won it...its not like its a once in a lifetime thing.

Three in 43 years averages out to once a generation, if we want to get all mathy about it.

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rjs246

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 05, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 07:48:48 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years.  As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more.  So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.


theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
switzer




munson could have coached the Cowboys that year and they still would have won the SB

Why limit Munson's role? haven't you heard about his blazing speed? He would have been gunnering on their punt unit. Player/coach for the win.
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General_Failure

Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 05, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 07:48:48 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 05, 2009, 07:13:54 AM
Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years.  As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more.  So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.


theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
switzer




munson could have coached the Cowboys that year and they still would have won the SB

Why limit Munson's role? haven't you heard about his blazing speed? He would have been gunnering on their punt unit. Player/coach for the win.

I added Munson to my Madden roster. He was the SB MVP.

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stalker

What's really strange is that the birds can win the SB this year. I think offensively at least the 04 team was MUCH better. TO was here, Donovan could run they were a dangerous team. This year they are realistically a little better than mediocre, and a SB is very possible. I guess it's true....defense does win championships.
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ice grillin you

Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 05, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:26:13 PMseveral rookies have done it as well....its really not that big of a deal

yeh man, happens all the time


theres been what 43 superbowls and i believe at least 3 rookies have won it...its not like its a once in a lifetime thing.

Three in 43 years averages out to once a generation, if we want to get all mathy about it.


20 years is a generation?

either way its not some incredibly rare thing like a woman winning the superbowl
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

General_Failure

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:41:03 PM
20 years is a generation?

As there is no official number for the length of a generation, sure. Why not?

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stalker

Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2009, 12:41:03 PM
20 years is a generation?

As there is no official number for the length of a generation, sure. Why not?

Year 3

Year 23

Year 43
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Quote from: EagleFeva on January 05, 2009, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 05, 2009, 12:26:59 PM
If we're going to look at trends, how many coaches that have lost a superbowl have later come back to win one?

Landry
Cowher
Vermeil
?

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Cerevant

We aren't talking 3 in 43.  3 (or 5 or 7 or whatever) rookie coaches out of all 400+ rookie coaches.  Lightning in a bottle.

What makes Reid a logical choice (if maddening) is that every year you make the playoffs is a chance to get lucky and win it all.
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ice grillin you

its not lightening in a bottle its the fact that rookie coaches particularly before free agency and parity took over in the nfl normally took over horrible teams that did not allow you to win until they were rebuilt
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

phattymatty

i think it would pretty philly for the same team who tied the bengals and only had 9 wins to be the first eagles team to win the SB.  they've beaten both the #1 seed in the NFC and arguably the best team in the AFC.  they have as good as shot as anyone to go all the way now.