Lurie Article from the Boston Globe

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

and the skins fans would say that their team is obviously better because the Eagles went 0-2 against them this year

(pointing and laughing)

[Munson]

Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years.  As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more.  So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.

theres been several rookie coaches to win the superbowl and numerous coaches who have won in their first five years
switzer

munson could have coached the Cowboys that year and they still would have won the SB

Why limit Munson's role? haven't you heard about his blazing speed? He would have been gunnering on their punt unit. Player/coach for the win.

Man I farging rule.

[shorebird]

Look, would you guys rather be a team like the Bucs, who won the SB and have rarely made the playoffs since?

Holy farging mother of God, farg yes!! Farg yes!!

[shorebird]

If we're going to look at trends, how many coaches that have lost a superbowl have later come back to win one?

Landry
Cowher
Vermeil
?

Don Shula lost Super Bowl III when head coach of the Baltimore Colts, and then when head coach of the Miami Dolphins lost Super bowl  VI, then came back and won two Superbowls, VII and VIII. He then lost Superbowl XVII, Dan Marino's only Super Bowl appearance.

Shula on Wikipedia

[Cerevant]

BTW, here is the best reference I've found for coaching stats.

[shorebird]

Let me clarify - I was responding to this quote:

For the life of me, I don't know how Lurie can say these things, much less believe them.

In short, you can't question Lurie's logic, because it is sound.  By every measure available to him, hiring any other available coach would make the team worse, not better.

Which is what I don't understand. How can he not see that Reid's time here is done?? And I'll question his logic all day long if that is the case.

Gruden is the only - ONLY - head coach ever to win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years.  As I pointed out, half took 10 years or more.  So, do you stick with Reid who might be "almost there" (a la Cowher / Dungy) or give up on him and return to pure futility for another 5 to 10 years.

Man, how long you been watchin' football? Billeck did it in his second year eight years ago. You forgot that already?

And no, you don't stick with Reid, because he is not "almost there", and his record in the second half of his tenure supports that. The Eagles made the playoffs this year in spite of Andy Reid, backing in only by one of the biggest miracles in franchise history. To put it simply, they got real friggen' lucky.

But, I will say this, if he coaches them to a Super Bowl victory this year, I will gladly eat my words. Hell, I'd probably eat shtein and crap out a golden egg.

[Cerevant]

In short, you can't question Lurie's logic, because it is sound.  By every measure available to him, hiring any other available coach would make the team worse, not better.

Which is what I don't understand. How can he not see that Reid's time here is done?? And I'll question his logic all day long if that is the case.

What do you base that on?  Look at the big picture, not one game or one year.  Cowher, everyone's favorite savior, made the playoffs twice in a 6 year span.  He was done too, right?

Again, I'm not an AR fan, but anyone not an Eagles fan can see that this guy can produce.

And no, you don't stick with Reid, because he is not "almost there", and his record in the second half of his tenure supports that.

See: Cowher, years 7-12.  3 out of those 5 years were below .500

In short, while it is easy to say Reid has to go, it is harder to say who should take his place.  The overwhelming history of the NFL says that a coaching change is not a sure path to improvement.

[shorebird]

I am not buying into the idea that just because it took Cowher so long to win a Superbowl that the same thing is going on with Andy Reid. They are two completely different coaches and men.

Please, stop comparing Reid to farging Cowher.

[shorebird]

In short, while it is easy to say Reid has to go, it is harder to say who should take his place. The overwhelming history of the NFL says that a coaching change is not a sure path to improvement.

Bullcrap, tell that to the Baltimore Ravens. Or the New England Patriots.

[Cerevant]

For the life of me, I don't know how Lurie can say these things, much less believe them.

Jeff Lurie and Joe Banner think they have the next Bill Cowher on staff.  That's why they believe they are saying.

By your logic, Cowher would have been canned after year 12, and there wouldn't have been many people who would disagree with the decision.

In short, while it is easy to say Reid has to go, it is harder to say who should take his place. The overwhelming history of the NFL says that a coaching change is not a sure path to improvement.

Bullcrap, tell that to the Baltimore Ravens. Or the New England Patriots.

Maybe you should check with the Lions, Browns, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, taterskins, Raiders, Jets, Chiefs, etc.

[shorebird]

Maybe you should check with the Lions, Browns, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, taterskins, Raiders, Jets, Chiefs, etc.

Ownership is the main thing wrong with most of those teams.

Whatever, you can believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. I honestly hope Reid proves me wrong, but how farging long are you willing to wait before he does his Bill Cowher imitation?  

[Phanatic]

I'd be happy with Reid if it weren't for recent coaching mistakes and irrational behavior. The head coach is responsible not the QB and putting it on McNabb's shoulders was bull crap. Not with these receivers in this predictable pass happy system. So they figured out what every media outlet and fan was screaming and every other team already knew and they've turned their season around by running the ball. Fantastic, but the stars had to align just so for the Eagles to LUCK into the playoffs. If they can win it all so be it. My head will explode and hookers for everyone. Facts are facts though and this season has been pretty messed up when it comes to coaching.

[Cerevant]

Maybe you should check with the Lions, Browns, Bengals, Bills, Cowboys, taterskins, Raiders, Jets, Chiefs, etc.

Ownership is the main thing wrong with most of those teams.

Ding ding ding ding!

And what is wrong with the Eagles?

Whatever, you can believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. I honestly hope Reid proves me wrong, but how farging long are you willing to wait before he does his Bill Cowher imitation?

I'm not stating what I believe, I'm just trying to make people see that this is not a no-brainer.  Firing a 0-16 coach is a no-brainer, not firing Reid.

I've stated why I think Reid should go before.  Further, I don't think he will have a breakthrough with his arrogance until he gets fired.  He is a good coach, but I don't think he'll succeed with the Eagles.

[ice grillin you]

firing reid was a no brainer a long time ago and it still is (unless you can get him to change or give up certain repsonsibilities)

and im still trying to figure out what bill cowher has to do with andy reid

should andy reid be fired because of marty schottenheimer?

[Diomedes]

If they can win it all so be it. My head will explode and hookers for everyone.

Duly noted.  Put my wife and I down for a buxom red head, not older than 23.  We'll want a few hours of her services.  Say, four hours.